**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 28 02:59:56 2008 Aug 28 03:08:18 night Aug 28 03:52:13 im outtie ... laterz Aug 28 04:15:18 I can't get _anyone_ to ship me an igo stowaway to south america for a reasonable price =/ Aug 28 04:16:54 :( Aug 28 04:17:51 dunno why everyone on ebay is so us-centric Aug 28 04:18:14 and amazon only ships books & cds down here Aug 28 04:19:17 know anyone in the US? Aug 28 04:19:23 could get it shipped and reshipped <_< Aug 28 04:21:34 maybe, but I'd rather not bother anyone, at least not if I have an option Aug 28 04:50:29 if anyone happens to find a decent price on an igo stowaway with worldwide shipping, please let me know =) Aug 28 04:50:41 in the meanwhile, thumb cramps it is Aug 28 05:11:47 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0019K261G Aug 28 05:11:54 PNY P-SDHC32G4-FS 32GB Aug 28 05:24:18 damn laggers, cluttering up the channel with clones Aug 28 05:25:16 in my day you would get k-lined for even saying the name clone Aug 28 05:27:26 if they found out you were the same person connecting from two different IPs they would smurf you off the net Aug 28 05:28:03 nowdays kids can't even stay connected for two minutes Aug 28 05:28:09 http://jcooney.net/archive/2007/02/01/42999.aspx Aug 28 05:30:12 haha Aug 28 05:33:21 usbnet to NIT with ssh socks proxy is working quite well for me right now Aug 28 05:33:32 * Grackle has no wireless card but is using the NIT for wireless internet Aug 28 05:35:59 usbnet isn't wireless Aug 28 05:36:41 unless you some wireless usb hardware I guess Aug 28 05:37:04 s/you/you have/ Aug 28 05:37:04 Proteous meant: unless you have some wireless usb hardware I guess Aug 28 05:37:46 Proteous, it's not wireless in that my setup involves wires, but I am not connected to the actual router with wires. Aug 28 05:39:08 heh Aug 28 05:41:46 so it's like wireless but with a slight USB teather Aug 28 05:42:38 It's like having a USB wireless adapter that has a cord instead of plugging directly into the port. Aug 28 05:42:47 Adapters like that are not uncommon. Aug 28 05:45:13 Antenna that stands up on your desk Aug 28 05:45:44 although they probably don't call themselves "wireless" Aug 28 05:45:47 Beats trying to get cables across doorways, halls and floors :) Aug 28 05:46:07 They most certainly do, Proteous. Aug 28 05:46:46 hmm I think I finaly get what you azre descibing Aug 28 05:46:51 This is a stupid argument, anyway. It benefits me to be able to connect using a 3 foot USB cord instead of running an ethernet cable from the basement. End of story. Aug 28 05:47:15 no one is arguing Aug 28 05:47:38 Oh, if it's just a misunderstanding.. *finds an image* Aug 28 05:47:41 well, I guess you could be arguing with yourself Aug 28 05:48:11 I get it now, no worries Aug 28 05:48:23 http://www.vdhsoft.be/img_art/19495.jpg like one of these Aug 28 05:48:24 Grackle: That's a setup I've been thinkin about, too, btw. Aug 28 05:48:36 gotta reboot my computer, I'll be right back Aug 28 05:50:48 using a $400 device to replicate the funcionality of a $15 wireless usb dongle is sorta strange Aug 28 05:51:33 probable fun to mess around with but not overly practical Aug 28 05:52:32 although how many usb wireless dongles come with a built in battery backup Aug 28 05:52:46 Using something you already have = $0 in equipment Aug 28 05:54:00 if you don't mind giving up the original porpose of the device while you use it Aug 28 05:56:18 * Grackle back Aug 28 05:56:27 * doc|home front Aug 28 05:56:44 * Grackle top Aug 28 05:57:25 just need to turn the IT into a caching proxy,make use of the extra processing power and attached screen Aug 28 05:57:48 maybe a firewall or something Aug 28 05:58:10 That could be handy. Aug 28 05:58:19 You could talk do Darius Jack... Aug 28 05:58:26 preform man in the middle attacks on yourself Aug 28 05:59:01 Would be fun to make a man in the middle proxy that shows a slideshow of captured images from unencrypted http etc Aug 28 05:59:08 heh Aug 28 06:01:07 XTL, actually reminds me of one of the xscreensavers :) Aug 28 06:01:52 johnx: Sort of like that Aug 28 06:02:34 except getting the pics with ethereal (or some other packet sniffer) instead of random web searches Aug 28 06:02:59 And that access point that turns images upside down Aug 28 06:03:06 ahahaha Aug 28 06:03:13 Or goatses :) Aug 28 06:03:29 turning images upside down wins lots more points for subtlety Aug 28 06:03:39 a 5px blur filter would be nice as well Aug 28 06:03:53 Or modulating the colours Aug 28 06:04:09 ahaha...new Web 3.0...in sepia tone Aug 28 06:04:48 not quite as much fun to prank oneself though Aug 28 06:05:00 No, you need some audience. Aug 28 06:05:19 .. victims Aug 28 06:55:14 morning qwerty12 Aug 28 06:55:25 Hey Stskeeps Aug 28 07:24:09 Can anyone comment if, GSM pricing in USA is essentially more expensive than in Europe? I am thingking here like PDA usage, with reasonable amounts of data only Aug 28 07:25:05 i guess it's all about the data plan Aug 28 07:25:50 So what are the cheapest ones? In Finland the going rate is less than 10 euro for month, for unlimited or large cap plans... Aug 28 07:26:38 I've got an "unlimited" non-tethering plan from AT&T that I tether to anyway for $20/mo Aug 28 07:27:14 Call it $40-$60 a month to tether within the letter of your ToS. Aug 28 07:49:10 http://www.getpeek.com/ Aug 28 07:53:18 that looks kind of interesting Aug 28 07:53:46 but my n810 + bluetooth fone = 1000000x better Aug 28 07:55:17 the hardware is what might be interesting :) Aug 28 08:00:32 ick @ at the ugly keyboard Aug 28 08:02:01 * qwerty12 bets that the device will be "locked" Aug 28 08:02:35 or running windows blowile Aug 28 08:03:22 * qwerty12 doesn't mind winmo, lots of hacking possibilities Aug 28 08:04:32 i went berserk after a week with .NET Compact Framework Aug 28 08:05:01 which led to the worst meeting of my life where it was 2 hours of arguing Aug 28 08:05:13 heh :/ Aug 28 08:05:16 (which ended up with us switching to nokia tablets) Aug 28 08:05:20 (i won) Aug 28 08:05:34 Haha, nice:) Aug 28 08:06:53 * qwerty12 can't decide over xmms2 or mpd :/ Aug 28 08:07:40 Morning, all Aug 28 08:07:57 qwerty12: I'll help you: Pick anything that's not winamp/xmms Aug 28 08:08:17 XTL: mpd it is :D Aug 28 08:08:41 They've caused enough terror and destruction :) Aug 28 08:08:49 It's quite useful actually using Sonata on the desktop to change tracks on my N800 :) Aug 28 08:10:24 * Jaffa grumbles at Thoughtfix for http://tabletblog.com/2008/08/nokia-announces-ntropic-nseries.html Aug 28 08:11:13 heh Aug 28 08:11:25 there is a fair bit of sarcasm in that post though Aug 28 08:11:35 Not that I have a Nokia phone, but it's bad enough the links from planet can't be followed due to feedburner problems Aug 28 08:11:49 "Ntropic Location: GPS assist, allowing N800 users to use their phone's GPS for map software" <-- You can already do that. Aug 28 08:12:22 i think there scaringily would be a market for that product though Aug 28 08:12:22 :P Aug 28 08:12:58 if they give me the gps Aug 28 08:30:54 FYI planet appears to be up... Aug 28 08:30:57 meh, they should port mpd to windows Aug 28 08:31:04 the miracle Aug 28 08:31:31 meh, they should rewrite windows to run mpd Aug 28 08:32:43 Ouch... http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Windows_Compatibility Aug 28 08:32:50 oh, it supports esound Aug 28 08:32:52 good enough for me Aug 28 08:33:02 * Stskeeps scaringily has a esound daemon on his media center Aug 28 08:33:24 Esd is the only thing that works for me on the tablet :/ Aug 28 08:33:40 I use libao on the tablet and libao is set to use esd Aug 28 08:33:56 Although it works quite well when using alsa09 on libao.conf Aug 28 08:34:15 There is a windos esound? Aug 28 08:34:56 I think I once wanted to go the other way.. Aug 28 08:35:15 Can't remember the details. Have som win app send audio over the net Aug 28 08:35:54 is there a way to capture tap events on a textview area? and figure out what text is was tapped on? Aug 28 08:36:10 is-- Aug 28 08:37:44 esd is weird and evil Aug 28 08:37:45 XTL: winamp has esd plugin too afaik Aug 28 08:37:50 not documented too Aug 28 08:38:05 RST38h: indeed Aug 28 08:38:32 Of course it is from the E Aug 28 08:39:54 johnx: LXDE is decent on tablet Aug 28 08:41:25 XTL: Is the rest of the E similarly screwed and crufty? Aug 28 08:42:06 RST38h: At least they seem to be huge and heavy Aug 28 08:44:21 * RST38h screams at linsux people: Stop building endless audio servers, m@#$%ckers! Just provide a reliable audio device! Aug 28 08:44:46 Heh, "slapt-get is an APT-like system for Slackware package management. Slapt-get tries to emulate the features of Debian's apt-get as closely as possible." Aug 28 08:45:23 "and bugs"? Aug 28 08:55:47 does it moo? Aug 28 08:57:49 It better Aug 28 09:03:01 each apt-get must moo Aug 28 09:16:38 hello Aug 28 09:16:39 does anyone know the simplest way to work on and compile a program for 2 different targets at the same time. i want to continue writing code for maemo but want it testable and usable on my x86 laptop as well - i dont want to have to checkin/out from each system and use a different editor etc Aug 28 09:17:00 could anyone please point me to Maemo 2.x SDK? the link on maemo.org seems to be broken Aug 28 09:17:26 logout128, 2.x is rather old, is there a specific reason why you are using it Aug 28 09:18:40 lcuk: yes, i still have OS2006 on my N770 Aug 28 09:18:41 Has a 770 I guess. Aug 28 09:19:22 i thought that yould update quite happily to os2007? must be wrong Aug 28 09:19:28 qwerty12: precisely Aug 28 09:19:35 logout128, then i dunno Aug 28 09:20:07 lcuk: os2007 requires swap on card most of the time, sometime freezes without particular reason and is horribly slow on N770 Aug 28 09:21:07 fair enough, i knew there were issues with running 2008 on a 770, from what i understood however 2007 has been recommended to lots of folks, i shall not mention it again :) Aug 28 09:21:23 Which link? Aug 28 09:22:14 GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-2-2--gregale-.html Aug 28 09:22:16 that one Aug 28 09:23:27 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_2-2-gregale/ Aug 28 09:23:52 link is positively wrong on the dev page Aug 28 09:24:08 lol Aug 28 09:24:11 not cool at all Aug 28 09:24:12 That link is right in the sidebar. Aug 28 09:24:50 but the big fat link in the middle is wrong Aug 28 09:24:56 well, http://maemo.org has no sidebar on the front page. but it has SDK link, which is wrong Aug 28 09:24:58 Meh, fixed now. Aug 28 09:25:18 thanks a lot Aug 28 09:25:25 let's install it Aug 28 09:25:26 Stskeeps: You're right, g_serial is brilliant. I'm gonna add an option for usb_serial in initfs Aug 28 09:25:36 "roll up, roll up, hot SDK action, step inside, come in.........OMG YOU CHEATS ITS A WINDOWS VISTA PRESENTATION!" Aug 28 09:30:50 Stskeeps: What do you think about a g_file_storage mod in initfs that will export mtdblock4 over usb? Aug 28 09:59:53 anybody interested testing boswars from extras-devel? It can install data files (90MB) to mmc, so I would like to hear if it works Aug 28 10:04:37 so lcuk - how 'big' is liqbase? and if you ported it to SDL could you use it from a minimal (non-X) system.... like say initfs? Aug 28 10:04:55 we wanted a gui bootmenu... Aug 28 10:05:42 * qwerty12 was unaware you could use sdl outside x ;). Surely you mean framebuffer? Aug 28 10:06:07 I thought SDL was framebuffer - my mistake Aug 28 10:06:37 Atm, I think it uses framebuffer but is linked to X11 libs Aug 28 10:06:40 * qwerty12 is not lcuk :P Aug 28 10:07:50 sdl really only provides a "surface" to draw on and the surface can be the framebuffer Aug 28 10:08:02 Ah, my bad, sorry. Aug 28 10:08:27 yep - I think I associate SDL with framebuffer - and they are different Aug 28 10:09:01 it currently uses the X11 backend it is therefore possible to create "windowed" apps Aug 28 10:09:53 qwerty12, sdl was designed as cross-platform media library, so it can use pretty much anything Aug 28 10:10:06 including aalib I think :) Aug 28 10:11:09 yacoob: Ah :). I always thought it was X11 after only ever seeing it in X11 apps :). Aug 28 10:12:03 Does anyone know a bit about how g_file_storage works? Aug 28 10:14:46 qwerty12: I do play with it on daily basis. please ask :p Aug 28 10:15:26 keesj: thanks :D, hmm, does it find file systems to "export" over usb automatically or does it have to be specified on a command line? Aug 28 10:17:43 Ah, after reading osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh, I get a better idea of how it works :) Aug 28 10:18:07 qwerty12 it can be done two ways Aug 28 10:18:34 during modprobe you can give a number of block devices to export Aug 28 10:18:47 (those can be real devices or simply files) Aug 28 10:19:00 so you can export number of luns Aug 28 10:19:19 Ah, I see, thanks! Aug 28 10:19:23 when the module is already loaded you can use sysfs to change the backing store Aug 28 10:20:12 Yep, great, thanks a lot, that's helped me quite a bit actually. Aug 28 10:22:19 http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/drivers/usb/gadget/file_storage.c contains good documentation Aug 28 10:50:25 is there no way to enable bluetooth faster then going to the control center first? Aug 28 10:50:33 qwerty12: sounds interestig Aug 28 10:51:08 Stskeeps: Yeah, I'm working on it now that I understand it better (thanks keesj) Aug 28 10:51:16 eichi: Search for switchonbt Aug 28 10:51:31 Fingers crossed that my mtdblock4 doesn't get corrupted :D Aug 28 11:00:44 [A Aug 28 11:07:17 Ok, my 770 finally turned on after 15 mins in the fridge and three reboots Aug 28 11:08:01 At first, it didn't want to power on unless it was connected to the charger Aug 28 11:08:29 After that it showed white screens after each tap on the screen Aug 28 11:08:37 And it finally worked Aug 28 11:08:55 Binky: you took it swimming? Aug 28 11:09:02 Thank you all for pointing me to the solution Aug 28 11:09:07 Nope.. Aug 28 11:09:49 aquatix, i plugged it to the charger, i came to disconnect it 2 or 3 hours later Aug 28 11:10:01 It was off and won't turn on Aug 28 11:10:16 Until today ^^ Aug 28 11:12:08 Stskeeps: I've got mtdblock4 exported over usb, now I'm trying to make my computer believe it's an mtd device... Aug 28 11:12:35 it shows up only as a block device or? Aug 28 11:12:46 (0 size file) Aug 28 11:13:03 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 80 2008-08-28 12:08 /dev/sdf Aug 28 11:13:23 Yeah, sdf is the only thing I'm getting from dmesg Aug 28 11:13:41 shit Aug 28 11:13:57 I unplugged and replugged the cable and the tablet switched off :/ Aug 28 11:15:44 Stskeeps: Here is my "function" to load g_file_storage etc. http://pastebin.com/d300f3d4 . I'm unsure as to whether I should use mtd4 or mtdblock4 as I am using now Aug 28 11:17:52 qwerty12: i don't have much experience with g_file_storage sorry Aug 28 11:18:33 No problems, I'll mess around and see what I get :) Aug 28 11:23:23 lbt, its not he size its the method (size is about 150kb or so) its the methodology - it expects YUV planes rather than RGB interleaved. of course this is arbitary and could be retargetted at some other point - ive been asked about porting to none Xv systems in the past and thinnk it is possible just not something im aiming towards at this point Aug 28 11:32:55 I have seen a real n800 user in the whild Aug 28 11:33:18 a text writer Aug 28 11:39:18 qwerty12: interesting use of g_serial could be Recovery Applications for *nix/windows Aug 28 11:39:40 a toolset for fixing problems Aug 28 11:40:42 Stskeeps: Yeah, sounds interesting. I'm actually quite liking g_serial more than g_ether because g_ether fails to work for me in Ubuntu and Windows. Aug 28 11:40:52 g_ether is easy in ubuntu Aug 28 11:40:59 modprobe usbnet; ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.2.1 Aug 28 11:41:03 modprobe usbnet; ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 Aug 28 11:41:03 i mean Aug 28 11:41:28 Gentlemen, anybody experienced hangups from the updated version of Modest? Aug 28 11:41:43 Stskeeps: It was working for me once, but I think a kernel upgrade broke it :/ Aug 28 11:41:46 Where it gets stuck in memory, no longer checks for email and does not come up when you click on the Email icon? Aug 28 11:45:45 Stskeeps: Ok, found something odd, I'm modprobing mtdblock and block2mtd etc, /sys/module/block2mtd/parameters/block2mtd contains /dev/sde which is my N800 but as soon as I modprobe jffs2 on the computer, the device quits the mass storage mode from bootmenu and shuts off :/ Aug 28 11:46:28 Morning guys qwerty12 I got your PM thanks Aug 28 11:46:47 morning, sorry about that, my internet got disconnected >.< Aug 28 11:47:13 its cool happens all the time Aug 28 11:47:34 to me atleast Aug 28 11:48:17 :) Aug 28 11:48:36 anyone ever use prisim for the tablet I can't get it to type numbers in it Aug 28 11:50:25 prisim ? Aug 28 11:55:31 crashanddie its that app that gives a website a icon to load it from menu and runs inside its own window with no address bar(unless you want it) Aug 28 11:55:49 ah, mozilla prism ? Aug 28 11:56:19 andrewfblack, do you have an n800 or n810 ? Aug 28 11:56:24 n810 Aug 28 11:56:31 yeah sorry about the extra i lol Aug 28 11:56:38 I don't know if it has been hildonised properly, are you using the hardware keyboard or software ? Aug 28 11:56:59 hardware I havn't checked the software one yet Aug 28 11:57:14 erhm Aug 28 11:57:19 hang on, there's someone in the house Aug 28 11:57:46 the mouse? Aug 28 11:58:20 the spouse? Aug 28 11:58:27 lol Aug 28 12:12:55 e Aug 28 12:13:03 ereca Aug 28 12:43:20 hola Aug 28 13:10:18 erm, have they come out with a nice irc client for 4.2008.30.2 Aug 28 13:10:55 XChat Aug 28 13:13:11 bah Aug 28 13:13:17 I seem to fail at finding a download for that Aug 28 13:16:47 Gary: search from http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php Aug 28 13:18:02 Gary: xchat seems to be in maemo extras-devel Aug 28 13:24:59 woot, thanks taplax Aug 28 13:28:42 Anyone who pushes packages to extras, keep an eye out for the "permission denied" and "lost connection" when using dput/scp. If spotted, please re-open #3354 Aug 28 13:31:00 thanks taplax :-) Aug 28 13:32:34 that is one of the best repository searching pages that i have found :) Aug 28 13:32:48 I bet Aug 28 13:33:18 eek default font size is for someone with better eyes than me,brb Aug 28 14:01:01 err. I can't install sdk on my amd64 box? Aug 28 14:01:02 wtf? Aug 28 14:06:29 co Aug 28 14:07:16 rmrfchik: doesn't like 64bit Aug 28 14:07:32 rmrfchik: you have to install it manually, or just edit the script to skip the check iirc Aug 28 14:07:42 but amd64 sure supports i386 Aug 28 14:09:09 rmrfchik/lardman: there's a better way Aug 28 14:09:10 hang on... Aug 28 14:09:29 rmrfchik: depends if your distro is 64bit or 32bit? Aug 28 14:09:40 it's debian amd64 Aug 28 14:09:47 rmrfchik/lardman: instructions for deploying on x86_64: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2043#c8 Aug 28 14:10:09 Jaffa: thanks (I went back to 32bit on my Core Due anyway as silly things like flash work better) Aug 28 14:11:20 flash works find on my box ;) Aug 28 14:11:43 ah well, thing have probably changed Aug 28 14:13:28 setarch not found Aug 28 14:13:29 o_O Aug 28 14:15:02 just hacked the file Aug 28 14:16:37 rmrfchik: you don't have ia32-libs or something installed, then Aug 28 14:17:21 rmrfchik: if you don't need ia32-libs installed to get a working scratchbox, can you comment on #2043 please? Aug 28 14:17:22 i have ia32-libs. what is this "something" which contains setarch? Aug 28 14:25:17 shouldn't be maemo version of claws called 'pincers'? :) Aug 28 14:29:51 yacoob: how about "fingernail"? :> Aug 28 15:04:44 ~lart menuconfig Aug 28 15:04:44 * infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at menuconfig Aug 28 15:05:38 ~fart qwerty12 Aug 28 15:05:39 * infobot farts in qwerty12's general direction Aug 28 15:05:45 lol Aug 28 15:06:00 * qwerty12 stabs infobot Aug 28 15:06:19 now you've opened the whole gas canister Aug 28 15:07:59 * qwerty12 would like to use g_serial for a shell in initfs but when it's missing getty, it kinda makes it impossible :/ Aug 28 15:10:32 lol @ #jobs Aug 28 15:10:58 qwerty12, that was fast Aug 28 15:11:01 Aww, I thought it was going to be a good channel Aug 28 15:11:07 qwerty12, don't think you're going to impress anyone Aug 28 15:11:10 qwerty12: I thought it was another job Aug 28 15:11:12 qwerty12, plus I WAS FIRST ! Aug 28 15:11:23 s/qwerty12/crashanddie/ Aug 28 15:11:24 qwerty12 meant: crashanddie: I thought it was another job Aug 28 15:11:25 hehe Aug 28 15:11:34 lol Aug 28 15:11:40 talking to yourself now, eh ? Aug 28 15:11:43 crashanddie, hey man Aug 28 15:11:49 crashanddie, hey, how you doing ? Aug 28 15:11:57 crashanddie, good, good, still looking for a job, all that Aug 28 15:12:10 crashanddie, ah, yeah, I know how you feel, don't worry, it'll be alright man Aug 28 15:12:12 * qwerty12 finds crashanddie's GP Aug 28 15:12:15 crashanddie, yeah... I hope so Aug 28 15:12:27 qwerty12, my GP ? Aug 28 15:12:27 qwerty12, my GP ? Aug 28 15:12:34 crashanddie, lol Aug 28 15:12:36 crashanddie, lol yourself Aug 28 15:12:50 crashanddie: General practitioner Aug 28 15:12:56 oooh Aug 28 15:13:00 Don't have one Aug 28 15:13:17 ah, fine, this is a case for the hospital :P Aug 28 15:13:22 first sign of madness and all that... Aug 28 15:13:38 crashanddie, he talking 'bout us ? Aug 28 15:13:41 crashanddie, I reckon Aug 28 15:14:34 qwerty12, can we ask you a question ? Aug 28 15:14:44 crashanddie: depends on what it is Aug 28 15:15:26 qwerty12, we won't ask it, then Aug 28 15:15:42 hehe Aug 28 15:15:50 <_berto_> uh, Intel acquires OpenedHand Aug 28 15:15:59 HUH ? Aug 28 15:16:09 <_berto_> http://o-hand.com/ Aug 28 15:16:21 <_berto_> i've just read it Aug 28 15:16:38 djeezus Aug 28 15:16:45 Wow. Aug 28 15:17:34 Well... I guess I'm lucky they didn't hire me then Aug 28 15:18:14 Plus, they have shitty company politics, no ethic whatsoever Aug 28 15:20:40 glibc is a whore Aug 28 15:21:05 Yeah I heard glibc links with just about everything Aug 28 15:21:47 All I've compiled is getty (and this is the busybox version) statically and it's 480KB :D Aug 28 15:22:12 I'd use my uclibc toolchain but the binaries sometimes work with the initfs and sometimes don't :/ Aug 28 15:22:29 :/ Aug 28 15:23:43 I've upx'ed it down and it's gone to 220KB which is still bigger than I'd like but mildly reasonable :) Aug 28 15:29:22 * johnx returns from work... Aug 28 15:35:49 maemo mapper disappoints me Aug 28 15:36:04 large cpu usage, large memory usage, frequent freezes Aug 28 15:36:13 * mgedmin blames sqlite Aug 28 15:36:42 mgedmin: hi, I have one question to you Aug 28 15:37:33 mgedmin: in Lithuania you have one road sign which I do not know... It is warning sign (triangle one) with black dot in center. What it means? Aug 28 15:37:49 mgedmin, there's a patch to switch it from sql for map storage to stitched together jpgs Aug 28 15:37:53 dangerous stretch of road; many accidents here; something like that Aug 28 15:38:25 mgedmin, if you're interested I'll find you a link Aug 28 15:38:40 mgedmin: thx Aug 28 15:39:03 johnx: not really; too much hassle and I somehow doubt it would convert my map caches for me Aug 28 15:39:14 there's a tool to do it Aug 28 15:39:15 I'll just bitch here Aug 28 15:39:18 cu chaps on Sunday probably Aug 28 15:39:27 'night lardman|gone Aug 28 15:39:46 mgedmin, fair enough, but it works a lot better IMHO and there's a nice .deb for it Aug 28 15:40:38 Hello everyone ! Aug 28 15:40:46 hey Khertan_n810 Aug 28 15:40:47 everybody ! Aug 28 15:40:51 :o) Aug 28 15:44:52 there isn t many activity here Aug 28 15:45:11 * johnx shrugs Aug 28 15:45:18 maybe people are sleeping or something Aug 28 15:45:20 Even better, busybox 1.00's static getty compiled against uclibc is 49KB compared to 1.61's which is 69KB compiled against the same Aug 28 15:45:22 I know I should O_o Aug 28 15:45:49 johnx: sleeping at 17h45 :) Aug 28 15:45:54 gmt Aug 28 15:46:20 johnx: what's the time over there? :) Aug 28 15:46:25 oh, I'm lazy Aug 28 15:46:28 I'll google :) Aug 28 15:46:28 0:46 Aug 28 15:46:32 :) Aug 28 15:46:42 wow :/ Aug 28 15:46:51 qwerty12, I live in the future :) Aug 28 15:47:07 hehe :) Aug 28 15:48:29 I can tell you about the future: The trains are crowded and the gas prices are high :P Aug 28 15:49:04 * Khertan_n810 ll have a furious enjoy if he can slap some google developpers ! Aug 28 15:49:23 Lol, gas prices are the same in the past in that case :P Aug 28 15:51:19 Khertan_n810, more fun dealing with their API? Aug 28 15:52:42 wow...why is gas so expensive in the UK? Aug 28 15:53:07 johnx: everything driving related is :/ Aug 28 15:53:38 look in france Aug 28 15:53:49 with 80% tax Aug 28 15:54:01 aaah, taxes I guess Aug 28 15:54:24 qwerty12, car insurance is pretty crazy here (from what I hear) Aug 28 15:54:25 1,52 Euro/L Aug 28 15:54:53 gah...the fun of multiple currency/unit conversions... Aug 28 15:55:23 johnx: heh, but here, you get charged on a lot of stuff :/. toll roads, car tax, they want the congestion charging zone extended etc Aug 28 15:55:58 qwerty12, same here. There's huge tolls to actually get anywhere at all Aug 28 15:56:09 almost makes it cheaper to use the train a lot of the time... Aug 28 15:56:24 johnx: yep ... their api suck ! Aug 28 15:56:42 many 104 error : reset by peer Aug 28 15:56:52 reinit the connection ... Aug 28 15:56:57 Khertan_n810, weak sauce :/ Aug 28 15:57:09 and try to get the next event Aug 28 15:57:30 and the result is that an endless call Aug 28 15:57:42 s/that/that i get Aug 28 15:57:58 and noway to detect it Aug 28 15:58:03 arrgh, I can't get getty to start in the initfs >.<. I'm going to have to boot maemo and check the logs :/ Aug 28 15:59:15 and calling only one event is really really slow Aug 28 15:59:42 * johnx tries to figure out how hildon menus get popped up when matchbox window titles get clicked Aug 28 16:00:16 s/callling/calling details on Aug 28 16:01:09 johnx: look in the hildon-desktop source, there will be similar code there too for the desktop "home" menu Aug 28 16:01:42 hmm...maybe Aug 28 16:01:51 I just had a funny thought though... Aug 28 16:02:13 Well, I just killed matchbox and the menu for the desktop still worked :) Aug 28 16:02:37 huhu just see the joomla hole Aug 28 16:02:49 very nice sql injection Aug 28 16:03:03 just with a quote Aug 28 16:03:32 Khertan_n810: where? what? Aug 28 16:04:14 my goal is to replace matchbox with another wm...but I still want to be able to get windows to open their menu with a title-bar click... Aug 28 16:19:51 heh...the nice, easy hacky way might just be to send "F4" to the app Aug 28 16:19:53 what's the jabber resource priority that telepathy uses? Aug 28 16:20:17 I'm connected to a jabber server on my laptop and on my n810, and incoming messages appear on the n810 instead of the laptop Aug 28 16:20:26 typing answers works better on a laptop Aug 28 16:23:53 <||cw> mgedmin: that should be configurable Aug 28 16:24:00 yes Aug 28 16:24:08 <||cw> default is probably 0 Aug 28 16:24:09 I can configure the priority in gajim Aug 28 16:24:25 are larger numbers better? Aug 28 16:24:33 <||cw> no, less Aug 28 16:24:41 hmm Aug 28 16:24:44 <||cw> IIRC Aug 28 16:24:53 <||cw> been a while since i messed with jabber in that way Aug 28 16:31:41 * qwerty12 reboots to try g_serial in windows Aug 28 16:33:31 johnx: you need implement the XClientMessageEvent atom _MB_GRAB_TRANSFER Aug 28 16:34:06 jott, awesome! hopefully I'll just be able to yank it from matchbox Aug 28 16:34:25 johnx: and look for _NET_WM_CONTEXT_CUSTOM Aug 28 16:35:07 thanks :D Aug 28 16:35:08 (as a wmprotocol atom that can be registered) Aug 28 16:37:03 johnx: which wm do you plan to modify? Aug 28 16:37:13 I don't really know yet Aug 28 16:37:25