**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 31 02:59:56 2008
Aug 31 05:26:51 * rm_you practices bartending
Aug 31 06:16:34 <pupnik_> lol i dreamed about Quim Gil last night.  He wanted me to do something and i can't remember what.
Aug 31 06:17:07 <pupnik_> (sorry Quim)
Aug 31 06:20:14 <GAN8001> Ha
Aug 31 06:20:26 <GAN8001> I dreamed about sjgasdby's glasses.
Aug 31 06:20:32 <GAN8001> It was a Maemo night.
Aug 31 06:28:53 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Aug 31 06:29:52 <GAN8001> Hey, Jaffa.
Aug 31 06:31:38 <GAN8001> pupnik_, I'm playing with the Beagle you never got me video of. :P
Aug 31 06:32:24 <rm_you> GA got a beagleboard? :P
Aug 31 06:33:08 <pupnik_> he got impatient and wanted to experience the omap3 hotness
Aug 31 06:33:13 <rm_you> ^_^
Aug 31 06:33:19 <rm_you> omap3 *is* the new hotness
Aug 31 06:33:34 <rm_you> GAN8001: how is the video playback? managed to test it yet?
Aug 31 06:33:40 <rm_you> is there an mplayer build?
Aug 31 06:33:58 <rm_you> GAN8001: get ssh on it and set me up an account so I can ssh in and build you apps :P
Aug 31 06:37:04 <GAN8001> No
Aug 31 06:37:09 <GAN8001> Building a serial cable at the moment
Aug 31 06:37:28 <GAN8001> Since, somehow, I don't have one of the most common serial connectors ever anywhere in my boxes and boxes of cables.
Aug 31 06:37:39 <GAN8001> There's mplayer
Aug 31 06:37:46 <GAN8001> with NEON optimizations
Aug 31 06:38:00 <GAN8001> and an omapfb decoder they use for the 720p demos.
Aug 31 06:38:27 <GAN8001> Broke out a null modem cable I had lying around
Aug 31 06:38:39 <GAN8001> Connecting the wires up now.
Aug 31 06:39:49 <GAN8001> rm_you, I need to get an SDIO wifi card or a USB something or other
Aug 31 06:49:28 <rm_you> ah
Aug 31 07:01:27 <pupnik_> when society collapses, it will be nice to have the n810/n9x0/pandora and a little solar panel
Aug 31 07:01:41 <pupnik_> just for a reminder of the good ol days
Aug 31 07:05:59 <GAN8001> OK, my manual cable is total fail.
Aug 31 07:06:10 <GAN8001> I guess I gotta go scrounge for a real cable in the morning.
Aug 31 07:06:40 <rm_you> I have like 5! :P
Aug 31 07:06:41 <rm_you> ... >_>
Aug 31 07:07:18 <GAN8001> Best Buy carries them still, don't they?
Aug 31 07:07:27 <rm_you> <_< no promises
Aug 31 07:07:31 <GAN8001> Actually, I should probably stop by my old job
Aug 31 07:07:49 <GAN8001> There's, like, a whole room full of dead PCs that'll most all have what I'm after.
Aug 31 07:08:46 * pupnik_ wipes the spiders from his eyes
Aug 31 07:10:05 <rm_you> just need a standard RS232 serial cable?
Aug 31 07:10:32 <pupnik> i connected a VT100 to a NeXT with speaker wire once
Aug 31 07:10:57 <pupnik> the good ol days...
Aug 31 07:11:10 <rm_you> i've made network cables with... well... rj45 ends, a crimper, and a random spool of wire i had laying around... <_<
Aug 31 07:11:16 <pupnik> hehe
Aug 31 07:11:28 <rm_you> it'
Aug 31 07:11:38 <rm_you> it's annoying when it's all the same color wire
Aug 31 07:17:15 <GAN8001> rm_you, http://www.pccables.com/07120.htm
Aug 31 07:19:13 <pupnik> 'laid back'...
Aug 31 07:20:34 <GAN8001> Until later.
Aug 31 07:42:52 <moontiger> does the n810 cache home screen applets in memory? i delete the executable file for one but it still shows up when i re-select it from the menu :|
Aug 31 07:44:46 * qwerty12 now knows why text completion is disabled in the terminal in os2008. despite the obvious fact it's an annoyance in the terminal :/
Aug 31 07:53:08 <Stskeeps> and i wonder why nokia in all their glory didn't simply include in a hook for onscreen keyboard in GTK instead of requiring it must be hildonized
Aug 31 07:54:26 <qwerty12> I know, hildon-input-method is PITA but TBH we (well, not me as I sux at this) can actually do something about it as the code is actually open.
Aug 31 07:54:33 * qwerty12 gasps in horror at nokia
Aug 31 07:55:10 <Stskeeps> i'd rather stab myself in the eye than touch gtk code
Aug 31 07:55:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 31 07:55:38 <qwerty12> lol :P
Aug 31 08:00:33 * qwerty12 takes a look into the vte 256 colours stuff, I can't believe inz didn't realise bright black was messed up on his screenshot when he announced it :/
Aug 31 08:15:56 <pupnik> that'd be real nice qwerty12
Aug 31 08:16:04 <pupnik> it's been bugged for many months
Aug 31 08:20:22 <qwerty12> Hopefully, this works :)
Aug 31 08:20:33 <qwerty12> Just need to wait for it to compile
Aug 31 08:22:06 * qwerty12 has a new found hate for the context diff format in the process
Aug 31 08:47:28 <qwerty12> I've managed to get it even more worse :P. http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5546/screenshot05zo6.png >.<
Aug 31 08:47:34 <qwerty12> lemme try again
Aug 31 08:49:30 <pupnik> lol
Aug 31 08:49:46 <pupnik> you heard my initial fix of fceu sound on youtube?
Aug 31 08:50:00 <qwerty12> It's tempting to compile osso-xterm against libvte9
Aug 31 08:50:02 <qwerty12> no :)
Aug 31 08:52:08 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/photos/Summer_Skin_Beetle_sm.html   look at my hand!
Aug 31 08:52:28 <qwerty12> woah
Aug 31 08:52:31 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iw6D4GF2bs  fceu sound fix
Aug 31 08:53:23 <qwerty12> lol, the crackling :)
Aug 31 08:53:51 <pupnik> i had to share it...
Aug 31 08:53:55 <pupnik> fixed it up a few days later
Aug 31 08:54:21 <pupnik> but not perfectly :(
Aug 31 08:54:26 <pupnik> so i gave up
Aug 31 08:55:09 <qwerty12> Hehe, I once used a2dp with bundyo's mplayer rc2 and that requires a special argument for the sound output. I didn't know this so I connect my headset, put the volume on full and get a load of scratching sounds straight into my ears >.<
Aug 31 08:56:08 <qwerty12> Yeah, If I can't get libvte4 to show colours properly, I may just cut my losses and move onto libvte9 (gnome-terminal here on ubuntu with libvte9 shows the colours properly)
Aug 31 08:57:56 <qwerty12> I'm pretty sure it's a libvte4 fault somewhere, I've tried 2 methods of 256 colours patches and both make light black = dark black
Aug 31 09:20:16 <sinak> hello. Have anyone tried to turn the wireless mode of N800 to ad-hoc?
Aug 31 10:12:24 <qwerty12> pupnik: the vte guys are fucking laughing in my face, 29999999 compile and 9999 patches and guess what I see? " Add patch that makes bold black (color 8) dark gray instead of black."
Aug 31 10:12:46 <jott> qwerty12: pupnik: my build of libvte works just fine under diablo http://sse2.net/xtermhttp://sse2.net/xterm/libvte4_0.12.2-0mh7_armel.deb
Aug 31 10:12:55 <jott> and has since ages :P
Aug 31 10:13:02 <qwerty12> Is the black fixed?
Aug 31 10:13:05 <jott> sure
Aug 31 10:13:08 <qwerty12> Great, thanks
Aug 31 10:13:27 <qwerty12> fuck me, i've been messing around with so much shit and it was a one liner fix >.<
Aug 31 10:13:35 <jott> hehe
Aug 31 10:13:55 <jott> yeah i poked inz to backport it to the garage version.
Aug 31 10:14:14 <jott> but apparently nokia did use a completely different branch :(
Aug 31 10:14:58 <qwerty12> Yeah, the garage version is much more superior to the shipped versions. I miss the reset and clear option from the menu :(
Aug 31 10:15:36 <qwerty12> But thank you very much for that :)
Aug 31 10:15:52 <jott> i mean actually the garage version is supposed to be the version used on the devices as inz has his version on the maemo-hackers site..
Aug 31 10:16:55 <jott> but i could never live witout the bright black as i use it in many places ;) (prompt, irssi timestamp, etc)
Aug 31 10:17:34 * qwerty12 could never live with just having a terminal environment
Aug 31 10:17:56 <jott> hehe the youth... :P
Aug 31 10:18:21 <qwerty12> I grew up using windows :P
Aug 31 10:19:30 <melmoth> Anybody having a destkopt or server running with a arm cpu ?
Aug 31 10:20:13 <qwerty12> ~kill nokia
Aug 31 10:20:14 * infobot shoots a super-inverse photon gun at nokia
Aug 31 10:20:54 <pupnik> jott, qwerty12 i tip my hat to you
Aug 31 10:21:03 <pupnik> can you guys get that stuff into main repo?
Aug 31 10:21:09 <qwerty12> Heh, it's all jott's work
Aug 31 10:21:38 * qwerty12 was blind and didn't notice it was fixed in trunk. When I did, jott already had it :P
Aug 31 10:21:41 <pupnik> i dunno who is maintainer for official osso-xterm
Aug 31 10:21:54 <pupnik> i'll buy you guys tasers or whatever you need
Aug 31 10:22:19 <qwerty12> lol, I just get them off my friend who makes them out of disposable cameras :P
Aug 31 10:23:09 <jott> pupnik: maybe we have a change to taser him at the summit :D
Aug 31 10:23:42 <jott> chance..
Aug 31 10:23:54 <qwerty12> I still don't see the point of SSU if it isn't being utilised to deliver fixes like this :/
Aug 31 10:26:01 <jott> well the problem with ssu is, that it is released based and unlike debian/ubuntu that just pushes backported fixed when they are ready and tested.
Aug 31 10:27:35 <jott> i still wonder whom to blame for the fix not being in the release :/
Aug 31 10:27:43 <eichi> does the maemo skype works with webcam chat?
Aug 31 10:27:55 <eichi> is there a way to make msn webcam chat? a way to make icq webcam chat?
Aug 31 10:28:36 <qwerty12> jott: when you find them, shank them for me so this way you get arrested and not I :P
Aug 31 10:29:55 <jott> eichi: skype on maemo has no video support
Aug 31 10:30:11 <jott> i heread amsn supports video chat with msn but never tried it.
Aug 31 10:30:19 <jott> heared
Aug 31 10:30:37 <eichi> what is the default protocoll for webcam chat on maemo?
Aug 31 10:31:26 <jott> gizmo is the "default" video chat app.
Aug 31 10:34:03 <jott> hm gizmo still did not manage to release an updated linux desktop client ..
Aug 31 10:34:09 * sinak 1736kb/s downloading!!
Aug 31 10:39:05 <qwerty12> ~lart gedit
Aug 31 10:39:05 * infobot pours hot grits down the front of gedit's pants
Aug 31 10:39:26 <aquatix> qwerty12: use geany
Aug 31 10:40:10 <qwerty12> will try, ta
Aug 31 10:54:53 <melmoth> I want to generate a large (20Mb) python pickle object on armel , because the one i generate on my desktop seems not to be "unpicke-azible" on the tablet.
Aug 31 10:55:30 <melmoth> The pickelisation takes 300 second on my laptop... It is running for more than an hour on my tablet. It "does not work" on scrachbox
Aug 31 10:55:49 <melmoth> any idea of a faster workaround (ie somebody got an linux armel box ? :) )
Aug 31 11:01:22 <melmoth> crap, it crashed with 'memory error'....
Aug 31 11:02:16 <jott> melmoth: think of a better general solution to your problem?
Aug 31 11:11:43 <melmoth> jott: i have none. pickling the data is the fastet way i found to access them.
Aug 31 11:12:10 <melmoth> Loading the data in memory takes 10 seconds, vs 300 compared to when generated on the fly.
Aug 31 11:12:24 <melmoth> May be there is another way to dump memory representation than pickle ?
Aug 31 11:12:34 <Stskeeps> using cpickle?
Aug 31 11:12:38 <melmoth> i use cpickle
Aug 31 11:13:17 <Stskeeps> maybe you simply run out of memory? :P
Aug 31 11:13:20 <Stskeeps> using swap?
Aug 31 11:13:31 <tuukkah> shouldn't pickling be independent of the architecture
Aug 31 11:15:22 <jott> hm it seems pickling supprts different protocols, may choose a version >=1
Aug 31 11:15:26 <melmoth> tuukkah: i am not sure, but i am sure i cannot load the pickled data on the tablet, it s complaining about an impossible float converstion.
Aug 31 11:17:58 <tuukkah> then there's qemu for arm
Aug 31 11:20:06 <Italodance> boswars can run on chinook?
Aug 31 11:21:58 <melmoth> tuukkah: hmmm. thats a good idea.
Aug 31 11:22:31 <Stskeeps> melmoth: there's always a possibility the python on armel has a floating point bug
Aug 31 11:24:25 <eichi> are there other ways then gizmo using video chat with maemo????
Aug 31 11:25:04 <qwerty12> ffs
Aug 31 11:25:05 <qwerty12> <eichi> does the maemo skype works with webcam chat?
Aug 31 11:25:05 <qwerty12> <eichi> is there a way to make msn webcam chat? a way to make icq webcam chat?
Aug 31 11:25:05 <qwerty12> <qwerty12> jott: when you find them, shank them for me so this way you get arrested and not I :P
Aug 31 11:25:05 <qwerty12> * andre____ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
Aug 31 11:25:05 <qwerty12> <jott> eichi: skype on maemo has no video support
Aug 31 11:25:07 <qwerty12> * aloisiojr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
Aug 31 11:25:09 <qwerty12> <jott> i heread amsn supports video chat with msn but never tried it.
Aug 31 11:25:11 <qwerty12> <jott> heared
Aug 31 11:25:38 <eichi> there is no amsn for maemo...
Aug 31 11:26:24 <qwerty12> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=amsn+maemo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a
Aug 31 11:26:28 <qwerty12> first result...
Aug 31 11:26:52 <qwerty12> Directly... http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/
Aug 31 11:29:56 <RST38bis> moo, all
Aug 31 11:31:31 <qwerty12_N800> moo
Aug 31 11:32:31 <RST38bis> well, now i can say it
Aug 31 11:32:46 * qwerty12_N800 is really enjoying befr0d's emsene port 
Aug 31 11:32:48 <RST38bis> intel has bought openedhand
Aug 31 11:32:57 <Stskeeps> old news, came out yesterday
Aug 31 11:32:58 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 31 11:33:03 <Stskeeps> or some other day
Aug 31 11:33:03 <RST38bis> emsene?
Aug 31 11:33:47 <qwerty12_N800> RST38bis: msn msgr client
Aug 31 11:34:07 <RST38bis> ah
Aug 31 11:34:16 <RST38bis> no icq though?
Aug 31 11:36:11 <qwerty12_N800> no
Aug 31 11:37:39 <qwerty12_N800> RST38bis: btw, how come icq is so popular in Russia? all the Russians i know have an icq :)
Aug 31 11:38:17 <trenka> lots of OSS developers moved to jabber
Aug 31 11:38:35 <RST38bis> icq is an israeli project started by a few russian emigrants
Aug 31 11:39:02 * Stskeeps used to use icq until it went completely fucking bloated, and girls at school started using msn
Aug 31 11:39:05 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 31 11:39:09 <RST38bis> also, it was historically the first such project
Aug 31 11:39:24 <RST38bis> sts: pidgin.
Aug 31 11:39:34 <Stskeeps> RST38bis: i gave up on icq long ago, like, 3-5 years
Aug 31 11:39:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 31 11:39:44 <Stskeeps> and gaim just generally upsets me
Aug 31 11:39:49 <RST38bis> won't help about the girls of course
Aug 31 11:40:11 * RST38bis prefers irc to any of these
Aug 31 11:40:27 <Stskeeps> here too, but live messenger patched with no-ads and such isn't bad :P
Aug 31 11:40:31 <RST38bis> irc is the only chat system done right
Aug 31 11:41:10 <RST38bis> well, msn, icq, they all look the same through pidgin
Aug 31 11:49:24 <yacoob> >_<
Aug 31 11:49:27 <yacoob> 3MB free on /
Aug 31 11:49:30 <yacoob> 8)
Aug 31 11:50:29 <RST38bis> time to move your /
Aug 31 11:50:46 <yacoob> rather time to move MyDocs away
Aug 31 11:53:01 <RST38bis> that too
Aug 31 11:54:34 <yacoob> it would be much better if I'd have noticed that mmc2 is vfat, not ext2...
Aug 31 11:56:36 <yacoob> before I reflash it - how much space is free on / with a brand new shiny OS2008?
Aug 31 11:58:08 <qwerty12_N800> yacoob: localepurge is nice on the tablets too
Aug 31 11:58:40 <yacoob> qwerty12_N800, :o don't tell me that people package their apps with full set of locales...?
Aug 31 11:59:29 <qwerty12_N800> yacoob: yes :/. i recovered ~25MB
Aug 31 11:59:35 <yacoob> oookay.
Aug 31 12:00:10 <yacoob> I was going to reflash it anyway
Aug 31 12:00:16 <yacoob> right now I'm trying out fennec
Aug 31 12:00:25 <yacoob> and it's not that fast as they promise, hm.
Aug 31 12:01:19 <yacoob> but it hogs CPU more than microb, so yes, it's "better".
Aug 31 12:01:30 <yacoob> Why there's no good webkit browser :(
Aug 31 12:02:50 <RST38bis> because webkit kinda sucks, i guess...
Aug 31 12:03:40 * RST38bis tried safari on a mac - ended up installing firefox
Aug 31 12:08:54 <yacoob> webkit itself, is very good browser engine
Aug 31 12:09:13 <yacoob> current webkit browsers - yeah, they do suck
Aug 31 12:13:17 <qwerty12_N800> yacoob: here's my latest localepurge: http://pastebin.ca/1189505 :>
Aug 31 12:13:48 <yacoob> lovely :>
Aug 31 12:15:07 <RST38bis> 190k? :)
Aug 31 12:16:07 <qwerty12_N800> in this case, it's more about quantity over size :>. they pile up over time into some large amounts :/
Aug 31 12:23:30 <riot> say, is there a nice gui for gnokii or anything that one can use to operate a connected cellphone?
Aug 31 12:24:01 <qwerty12_N800> phonelink
Aug 31 12:24:40 * yacoob will test gpxviewer+maemo mapper for geocaching today.
Aug 31 12:25:34 <RST38bis> ok, time to wake up
Aug 31 12:25:55 <riot> phonelink? hmm, tried it, not very good, imho
Aug 31 12:26:30 <qwerty12_N800> alas, it's the best we got :/
Aug 31 12:31:09 <brontide> ok, explain this one.  I was on vacation for the last 2 weeks so excuse me if I missed somthing major.  For some reason Modest has stoped receiving updates, Application manager stoped getting updates, SIP+gtalk stoped working ( but link-local still works )
Aug 31 12:32:23 <brontide> I barely used the unit over the last two weeks and only did development on one evening, but that was over a week ago
Aug 31 12:33:08 <addoc> hi
Aug 31 12:37:20 <riot> hmm, i'm considering writing a GUI for gnokii.. Anybody interested? In helping?
Aug 31 12:40:25 <addoc> I'd help if I were able... I could do testing
Aug 31 12:42:16 <riot> i'll do it in python, so its easy. Gonna read some gui-dev-doc first :)
Aug 31 12:44:25 <addoc> ok - I'll be hanging on irq in the next days
Aug 31 12:44:57 <addoc> I'm here since GeneralAntilles wrote that cool guys have to do irc
Aug 31 12:45:02 <addoc> :-)
Aug 31 12:45:49 <liri> qwerty12_N800: phonelink could have been so much better but the GUI is so awkward
Aug 31 12:47:20 <qwerty12_N800> liri: true :/, at least it's in python so it's possible for lots of people to modify :)
Aug 31 12:48:32 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/2.6.27-rc4_Random_Stuff_All_Over (MUSB)
Aug 31 12:48:55 <lcuk> do i have to reformat mmc1 to get my virtual memory to work in diablo?
Aug 31 12:49:05 <lcuk> mmc2 i mean
Aug 31 12:49:11 <brontide> Bah, ssh is also not working.... it seems like the networking is fubar, but the unit can still browse the web
Aug 31 12:50:09 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps: interesting, so far our musb is broken in regards to rndis :/
Aug 31 12:50:25 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: shouldn't need to
Aug 31 12:50:57 <lcuk> brontide, damn thing wont let me - i keep running out and thought i was simply using more than the 128real+128 virtual - but i forgot i reflashed
Aug 31 12:51:05 <lcuk> and its disabled and wont re-enable with any size
Aug 31 12:51:33 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: yeah, hence why i mentioned it
Aug 31 12:52:10 <lcuk> Stskeeps, hows qt comin along
Aug 31 12:52:30 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps: :), i think it's also worth looking at the musb in 2.6.18
Aug 31 12:52:45 <riot> is there by chance any debian repository for all the SDK stuff?
Aug 31 12:52:50 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: unmount mmc2 and run a fsck on it
Aug 31 12:53:26 <lcuk> unmounting manually forem hte console wont cause it to not be remounted when i bootup will it?
Aug 31 12:53:31 <lcuk> -typos
Aug 31 12:53:38 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: no
Aug 31 12:53:44 <Stskeeps> lcuk: if you're speaking of debconf and Kde, kde backend in debconf is broken, had to resort to apt-get'ing in libgnome2-perl
Aug 31 12:53:47 <lcuk> cool ill give it a try then :)
Aug 31 12:54:40 <Stskeeps> (requires keyboard since gtk under deblet doesnt have on screen keyboard from maemo..)
Aug 31 12:54:44 <Stskeeps> so it has to be a n810
Aug 31 12:55:01 <lcuk> Stskeeps, i know all about giving up the virtual keyboard - liqbase also doesnt support it
Aug 31 12:55:24 <Stskeeps> i swear, why the heck didn't they just hack gtk with im's or something..
Aug 31 12:55:24 <lcuk> not that you need it for most things, but it will come in handy sometimes
Aug 31 12:55:29 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps: bring back the ncurses during install! :p
Aug 31 12:55:38 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: it's an option in installer
Aug 31 12:55:51 <Stskeeps> the explosion of apps on the applet would be huge if everything didn't have to be hildonized for sane usage
Aug 31 12:56:03 <Stskeeps> applet=tablet
Aug 31 12:56:14 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i have a n800 so it asks between GTK frontend and Dialog
Aug 31 12:57:05 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps: brilliant. can't  you install hildon-input-method under debian? for hildon-input-method to come up, the app needs to be gtk, not hildonised
Aug 31 12:57:17 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: hmm
Aug 31 12:57:44 * qwerty12_N800 does enough straight compiles to know :)
Aug 31 12:58:13 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i'm already a bit picky due to libgnome2-perl pulling in 180mb worth, but i'll see ..
Aug 31 12:58:31 <qwerty12_N800> ouch :/
Aug 31 12:58:50 <Stskeeps> admittedly this is X libraries and gtk/gnome libs, but..
Aug 31 12:59:47 <brontide> ok... dhcp gets an address, but nothing else seems able to use the network.  ping as root even fails to see the network
Aug 31 12:59:54 <brontide> WTF
Aug 31 13:01:54 <lcuk> Stskeeps, i tihnk the biggest drawback to apps is the apparant slowness of certain standard operations, obviously it can be cured with tlc to the app in question, but ive heard plenty of people pulling hair out to try to get things running smoothly
Aug 31 13:02:52 <lcuk> brontide, i had this with my adhoc after i added a laptop, turn everything off (router included) and bring it all back up (we had a nice powercut to assist here) and it all worked after that
Aug 31 13:03:50 <brontide> rebooting the device didn't work
Aug 31 13:04:02 <lcuk> what abotu the device at the other end of the connection..
Aug 31 13:04:32 <brontide> happily serving other wireless clients ( including this one ) as well as several hardwired things
Aug 31 13:05:12 <lcuk> heh - i dunno but mine was similar - it just refused to finish sorting out the laptop till everything had been off
Aug 31 13:05:22 <brontide> and this started while I was away ( totally different wifi setup )
Aug 31 13:05:23 <lcuk> it worked happily with desktop and 810
Aug 31 13:05:33 <lcuk> oooer then you bolloxed it up :D
Aug 31 13:06:15 <brontide> I'm facing the prospect of loosing a good days worth of work on DialCentral fka Grandcentral Dialer
Aug 31 13:07:23 <qwerty12_N800> can't you back it up elsewhere?
Aug 31 13:07:50 <brontide> I have a recent copy on the laptop ( in the shop ) but I'm not sure how much tweaking I did on device
Aug 31 13:08:02 <brontide> in prep for making a deb
Aug 31 13:08:38 <brontide> Hmmm worst case I can manually copy file at the terminal to the card before I reflash
Aug 31 13:09:52 <lcuk> brontide, thanks for the tip - ill just backup liqbase now ;)
Aug 31 13:10:25 <brontide> :-P
Aug 31 13:11:08 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800 unmounting fscking remounting (and rebooting) didnt help, itsn ot readonly and it lets me write files manually, it has 800mb free, and it still wont let me make virtual on it
Aug 31 13:11:49 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: that's really odd. is there already a .swap file on it?
Aug 31 13:12:07 <lcuk> does ls list things like that by default
Aug 31 13:12:12 <qwerty12_N800> brontide: dump your entire flash with mtd-tools
Aug 31 13:12:14 <brontide> disabling VM appears to have fixed it
Aug 31 13:12:20 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: no, use ls -a
Aug 31 13:12:36 <lcuk> thanks, but no theres no swap
Aug 31 13:12:46 <lcuk> ahhh brontide looks like we are cross solving problems ;)
Aug 31 13:12:56 <brontide> does that mean my internal flash is bolloxed?
Aug 31 13:12:57 <lcuk> since you are disabling vm, can i have yours
Aug 31 13:13:08 <riot> is it possible to customize the communication-button-menu on hildon?
Aug 31 13:13:25 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: out of question, did fsck actually report any errors?
Aug 31 13:13:30 <lcuk> no
Aug 31 13:13:51 <lcuk> said total logical clusters 999602
Aug 31 13:13:53 <lcuk> then counted loads
Aug 31 13:13:58 <qwerty12_N800> ah, by default fsck doesn't fix errors even if it says there is :/
Aug 31 13:14:02 <lcuk> checked clusters: 608518
Aug 31 13:14:02 <lcuk> /dev/mmcblk0p1: 2736 files, 608518/999603 clusters
Aug 31 13:14:08 <lcuk> then said that ^
Aug 31 13:14:38 <brontide> yep, with VM stopped all networking works again, just ssh'ed in
Aug 31 13:14:44 <lcuk> the 999602 was meant to be 999603
Aug 31 13:14:47 <brontide> no other changes
Aug 31 13:14:48 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: does "cat /proc/swaps" say anything?
Aug 31 13:15:05 <qwerty12_N800> mine is : "/media/mmc2/.swap                       file            131040  78596   -6"
Aug 31 13:15:24 <brontide> I suppose I should try turning it back on and seeing if it happens again?
Aug 31 13:15:41 <lcuk> yes! it displays the list headers but theres no entries
Aug 31 13:15:52 <brontide> Maybe wait till I've finished up the deb for DialCentral
Aug 31 13:16:06 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: give me a minute
Aug 31 13:16:17 <lcuk> k
Aug 31 13:17:34 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: run this: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/.swap bs=1024 count=128000"
Aug 31 13:17:45 <lcuk> whoa! whats that do?
Aug 31 13:17:58 <qwerty12_N800> (it makes an empty 128mb files on the internal mmc)
Aug 31 13:18:02 <lcuk> ahh ok :)
Aug 31 13:18:04 <qwerty12_N800> *file
Aug 31 13:18:34 <lcuk> as root or normal user?
Aug 31 13:18:47 <qwerty12_N800> normal user should do it
Aug 31 13:18:59 <lcuk> i can change parms if needed anyway cant i
Aug 31 13:19:05 <qwerty12_N800> yeah
Aug 31 13:20:03 <qwerty12_N800> when it's lemme know please
Aug 31 13:20:04 <lcuk> w000t its tellin me its resizing it now
Aug 31 13:20:21 <lcuk> dd finished, i went into the gui and its getting further than it did :D
Aug 31 13:21:19 <qwerty12_N800> hehe I hope it works, i was about to go into more command lines :p
Aug 31 13:21:34 <lcuk> nahhh, i wonder why it couldnt create a file thou
Aug 31 13:22:02 <lcuk> not that i care, i ran out of memory last night just by loading all my sketches
Aug 31 13:23:03 <lcuk> "Virtual memory resized" :D
Aug 31 13:23:15 <lcuk> thanks qwerty12_N800 your genius knows no bounds
Aug 31 13:24:17 <qwerty12_N800> :) (i'm not modest, muhahaha :p)
Aug 31 13:25:05 <qwerty12_N800> cat /proc/swaps should now list your new swapfile if you wish to verify
Aug 31 13:26:09 <lcuk> i can get on with liqbase now :) I replaced the entire menu system yesterday with blended bitmaps - it looks very shiny now
Aug 31 13:26:18 <lcuk> its working
Aug 31 13:26:28 <lcuk> or at least the gui is tellin me it is there
Aug 31 13:26:29 <qwerty12_N800> ooh nice :)
Aug 31 13:26:53 <qwerty12_N800> *grin* /me can't wait to see the new version
Aug 31 13:27:19 <qwerty12_N800> are you presenting it at the summit?
Aug 31 13:27:22 <lcuk> yer, in about a week ive gotta stop with the features and cull everything and prepare for a package
Aug 31 13:27:25 <lcuk> yes :)
Aug 31 13:27:40 <lcuk> it works from my laptop now (to a degree)
Aug 31 13:28:16 <lcuk> but i think im gonna leave the network control off it - i dont want home server swamped and ive not got enough time to purchase and configure a proper internet server
Aug 31 13:28:25 <qwerty12_N800> cool, can't wait to see the vid :p. and then me and crashanddie and go into a mock northern accent :p
Aug 31 13:29:29 <lcuk> i think im gonna have to use scrachbox for packaging it up as well
Aug 31 13:29:34 <brontide> rebooted fsck'ed rebooted reenabled swap and things appear back to normal...  weirdness.   The only thing I can think of is the unit did have an unclean shutdown at one point over vacation
Aug 31 13:29:46 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: get a cable router :p. my sister got a d-link one for about £30 (and this was a long time ago) and it worked more reliable than our phoneline one
Aug 31 13:30:29 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, yer a decent linux router should handle lots of connections, but i dont have time to configure it and write software as i want
Aug 31 13:31:09 * lcuk is taking a course in queens english by the way
Aug 31 13:31:20 * lcuk wont be northern by the summit
Aug 31 13:31:59 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: if you have a lot of time, you should set up sbrsh. it's basically the perfect mix of what you want, everything done in scratchbox but actuall binaries compiled on-device transparently
Aug 31 13:32:31 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: oh no, now i can't laugh :p (i'm only joking when I  do :))
Aug 31 13:32:50 <lcuk> i am trying to work out exactly what i want the compiler to do
Aug 31 13:33:09 <lcuk> i would really like to make an actual source editor in liqbase and use gcc directly from the device
Aug 31 13:33:23 <lcuk> but that involves a lot of other stuff and dynamic loading of modules etc
Aug 31 13:33:30 <lcuk> which i just cant be arsed with right now
Aug 31 13:34:49 * qwerty12_N800 has an odd idea of compiling the kernel from the device, after i set up the clone to sd :>
Aug 31 13:35:04 <lcuk> make sure you are in perfomance mode
Aug 31 13:35:29 <melmoth> how long does it take to compile a kernel on the deveice itself ?
Aug 31 13:35:46 <johnx> I think it would depend on how many drivers you want to compile with it...
Aug 31 13:35:55 <johnx> that's why it takes so long on x86
Aug 31 13:35:56 <lcuk> melmoth, c compilation isnt that slow for small things
Aug 31 13:36:18 <lcuk> but i guess its memory buffering problems once you ramp up
Aug 31 13:36:30 <johnx> if you want support for every usb->ethernet adapter in the world I could see it taking some time...
Aug 31 13:36:34 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, it's really annoying, because i like to listen to music, the cpu gets forced at 330 mhz so i have to kerp echoing to set it back to 400 :/
Aug 31 13:36:44 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: me me
Aug 31 13:36:56 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, then compile in sb :P
Aug 31 13:37:37 <lcuk> is it possible to translate original 68k directly to arm
Aug 31 13:38:08 <johnx> hmm? like assembly or machine code?
Aug 31 13:38:21 <lcuk> binary file
Aug 31 13:38:40 <lcuk> of course the int handlers and custom chip mods would have to be filtered and redirectly
Aug 31 13:38:47 <lcuk> redirected
Aug 31 13:39:24 <johnx> are we talking about linux binaries then?
Aug 31 13:39:29 <lcuk> call it a perverse thought
Aug 31 13:39:34 <lcuk> no i was thinking amiga
Aug 31 13:40:02 <johnx> then I would say ... probably not easily
Aug 31 13:40:49 <lcuk> i just see how similar on the surface thumb assembly is to original 68k and it makes me smile
Aug 31 13:41:43 <johnx> isn't that like "dynamic recompilation"?
Aug 31 13:41:57 <lcuk> yer
Aug 31 13:42:08 <johnx> I thought there was a PSX emulator that did that to some extent on x86
Aug 31 13:43:16 <lcuk> probably is
Aug 31 13:43:21 <johnx> hmmm...I wonder how the garnet VM guys are getting such great performance :)
Aug 31 13:43:25 <jott> lcuk: there is the cyclone core thingy.
Aug 31 13:44:10 <jott> not really dynamic recompilation afair but quite fast
Aug 31 13:44:22 * jott googles
Aug 31 13:44:26 <jott> lcuk: http://notaz.gp2x.de/cyclone.php
Aug 31 13:44:28 <lcuk> hi jott - which systems does it emulat?
Aug 31 13:44:40 <jott> just the 68000 processor
Aug 31 13:44:58 <lcuk> wicked
Aug 31 13:45:05 <jott> it's integrated into one uae port
Aug 31 13:45:59 <qwerty12_N800> ooh, he has picodrive for uiq3, something i can actually use my p1 for :)
Aug 31 13:46:11 <lcuk> cool, ill have a big read when i get more time
Aug 31 13:46:37 * lcuk is really glad he was born when computers were around
Aug 31 13:47:24 <lcuk> jott - if you had been born a couple of hundred years ago, what job would you have - what would you be spending your time hacking away at
Aug 31 13:47:26 * qwerty12_N800 is really glad he  grew up using a modern pc :p
Aug 31 13:48:03 <johnx> 100 years ago? I'd probably have fun hacking on early car engines
Aug 31 13:48:14 <jott> lcuk: probably pure math :)
Aug 31 13:48:21 <johnx> driving without a license FTW!
Aug 31 13:48:49 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, you missed out on the best computers - intel x86 is a monolithic mess, and many other devices could have beat it on all fronts on a technical battle - but there again the "best" solution doesnt always win
Aug 31 13:48:54 <lcuk> jott :) heh
Aug 31 13:49:15 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, I know what you mean. The thought of barely being able to fit a book on all the storage I could afford would feel rather limiting I think...
Aug 31 13:49:17 <lcuk> johnx, 100 years ago you would have needed tonnes of money to do that
Aug 31 13:49:37 <johnx> lcuk, fixing *other* people's cars :)
Aug 31 13:49:49 <lcuk> ahhh so you would live near mr daimlers house
Aug 31 13:50:16 <johnx> lcuk, model T was 1908
Aug 31 13:50:22 <johnx> I think I'd be busy enough :)
Aug 31 13:50:25 <lcuk> where did mechanics learn to do that sucking in wind through teeth thing
Aug 31 13:50:32 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: The only thing I would have liked is to mess around with old computers to pick up asm and things like that
Aug 31 13:50:42 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: yeah :/
Aug 31 13:50:54 <lcuk> do you think blacksmiths use to do it when you took your horse for a new shoe
Aug 31 13:51:04 <riot> sleek, my new notebook-bag has a n810-sized extra compartment :D
Aug 31 13:51:41 <lcuk> riot, thats illegal at some airports now - you have to be able to unfol;d your laptop completely and show it with nothing above/below the laptop
Aug 31 13:52:01 <lcuk> extra tech will make them strip search you
Aug 31 13:52:13 <johnx> heh...and yet they still let you get on a plane with a 9-cell li-ion battery...
Aug 31 13:53:06 <lcuk> i hated standing in the airport with a spike from a broken pen digging out the flammable material from my zippo lighter and throwing it in the bin
Aug 31 13:53:28 <lcuk> http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/simplifying_laptop_bag_procedures.shtm
Aug 31 13:54:00 <Stskeeps> my worst(?) airport experience was after putting my laptop through the scanner, it gave me a quite astonishing static electric shock
Aug 31 13:54:25 <lcuk> did you jump and scare the security doods?
Aug 31 13:54:41 <Stskeeps> yeah
Aug 31 13:54:42 <riot> lcuk: yeah, i know, but i have to unpack it anyway everytime.. so thats not really an issue.
Aug 31 13:54:46 <Stskeeps> they didn't take really
Aug 31 13:54:48 <Stskeeps> they were dutch
Aug 31 13:54:49 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 31 13:54:52 <Stskeeps> s/take/care/
Aug 31 13:54:53 <lcuk> lol
Aug 31 13:55:04 <riot> johnx: i always say: perfect bomb! Just a stupid sony-battery..
Aug 31 13:55:04 <lcuk> riot, as long as you know - its if you forget they get shirty
Aug 31 13:55:40 <lcuk> with my laptop am i allowed to leave it in my main luggage?
Aug 31 13:55:43 <riot> lcuk: yeah. Once i was allowed (they didn't notice and i forgot) to take my leatherman onboard.. hah.
Aug 31 13:55:45 <lcuk> or should i just carry it through
Aug 31 13:56:26 <lcuk> jott, if i dont get my laptop to germany could i install liqbase on yours for my presentation
Aug 31 13:56:39 <riot> lcuk: i wouldn't put it in the main luggage... sometimes they handly it very roughly.. so all my sensitive equipment stays with me.. also i wouldn't want it to get lost (my main luggage got lost once... not again.)
Aug 31 13:57:03 <lcuk> riot, i just dont have a laptop bag yet, i suppose i should just buy one
Aug 31 13:57:07 <riot> lcuk: german authorities are not _that_ crazy yet, i think..
Aug 31 13:57:08 <jott> lcuk: i don't have a laptop atm...
Aug 31 13:57:09 <lcuk> plus its a really crappy old one
Aug 31 13:57:21 <riot> lcuk: i always take my Cam/Notebook bagpack with me on airplane travels
Aug 31 13:57:23 <jott> lcuk: but this should not be an issue i guess..
Aug 31 13:57:23 <lcuk> its got a broken screen
Aug 31 13:57:43 <johnx> heh...the best airport experience I had: bought 2 snowglobes inside the gates at one airport, got on the plane, and then while transferring at the next airport the nicer snowglobe got confiscated :/
Aug 31 13:57:45 <lcuk> its gonna be fine thou for presenting
Aug 31 13:58:00 <lcuk> johnx, this wasnt france was it
Aug 31 13:58:08 <johnx> lcuk, the states...
Aug 31 13:58:15 <lcuk> just slightly worse
Aug 31 13:58:26 <johnx> security theater is aaaawesome
Aug 31 13:58:37 <johnx> I just wish I could watch and not be an actor...
Aug 31 13:59:01 <lcuk> at least i have my 810 to make life simpler
Aug 31 13:59:09 <lcuk> im taking a box of matches on my carry on this time :)
Aug 31 13:59:14 <melmoth> is france famous for snowglobe confiscation frenzy ?
Aug 31 13:59:40 <lcuk> no, they were much more tough on normal items
Aug 31 13:59:59 <jott> my funniest airport experience was some time ago. some guy went trough the metal detector thingy without anything registered. then i went trough and it beeped and made noises but they just stopped and searched the guy before me :p
Aug 31 14:00:07 <lcuk> i had had my zippo with me all the way there and it was only on the return journey that i had to take it apart
Aug 31 14:00:19 <lcuk> lol
Aug 31 14:00:21 <lcuk> lag
Aug 31 14:01:11 <lcuk> the best part about travelling is always landing back on home soil :)
Aug 31 14:01:29 <lcuk> the worst part is leaving your destination
Aug 31 14:01:42 <jott> lcuk: do you fall on the ground and kiss it like the pope?! :D
Aug 31 14:02:13 <lcuk> not quite jott, but in my sketches ive got notes from as i came through the airport - i was really sad to leave but very relieved to be home
Aug 31 14:02:34 <jott> hehe you should add a mood slider to liqbase :)
Aug 31 14:02:54 <lcuk> ive got ideas for a homepage :)
Aug 31 14:03:31 <lcuk> infact, i best get on - one of the more radical ideas is very close to coming to life
Aug 31 14:03:59 * lcuk has an "ed" button on every menu item in liqbase
Aug 31 14:04:12 <lcuk> "ed" takes you to the sketch editor to custom design the menu button
Aug 31 14:04:32 <johnx> hot sauce :)
Aug 31 14:04:34 <jott> oh i just thought you meant a pron viewer mode :P
Aug 31 14:04:54 <lcuk> lol
Aug 31 14:05:17 <lcuk> \@ qwerty12_N800 grrrrr
Aug 31 14:05:19 <Stskeeps> jott: snowballs are excellent for knocking down people though
Aug 31 14:05:32 <Stskeeps> er, johnx
Aug 31 14:05:45 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: lol, what? :p
Aug 31 14:05:48 <lcuk> i just up arrowed/returned in console and tried to dd my swap again
Aug 31 14:05:59 <lcuk> thats always ./mkrun.sh
Aug 31 14:06:16 <johnx> Stskeeps, hmm?
Aug 31 14:06:29 <lcuk> which very nicely colors the output of make.  it makes warnings yellow, and errors red
Aug 31 14:06:31 <lcuk> its very nice
Aug 31 14:06:44 <Stskeeps> johnx: snowglobes are actually quite firm and heavy glass :P i'm sure someone banging you on the head with one isn't going to be a nice experience :P
Aug 31 14:07:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, right...but they let people sell them inside the gates...
Aug 31 14:07:21 <Stskeeps> yeah, which is stupid :P
Aug 31 14:07:39 <brontide> Khertan: you around? does this look sane? http://pastebin.com/m401fcd01
Aug 31 14:07:41 <johnx> Stskeeps, anyways, the explanation offered was not "you could hit someone with it" but "that might be a liquid bomb"
Aug 31 14:07:45 <Stskeeps> heh
Aug 31 14:08:03 <Stskeeps> the poor security people obviously don't think like psychos :P
Aug 31 14:08:31 <lcuk> incase people wanna see:  make  2>&1 | perl -p -e 's/warning/\e[33mwarn    \e[0m/; s/error/\007\e[31mERROR   \e[0m/'
Aug 31 14:08:32 <johnx> Stskeeps, nah, they just do what they're told: put on a show for the easily impressed
Aug 31 14:10:29 * jott hands lcuk a colorgcc and adds a cmake :p
Aug 31 14:10:56 <lcuk> jott, that involves replacing binaries and stuff, this works on every machine i have tried it on
Aug 31 14:11:04 <jott> huh?!
Aug 31 14:11:05 <jott> no
Aug 31 14:11:31 <jott> in fact it does something similar..
Aug 31 14:12:02 <lcuk> but stands in the way of gcc from what i read
Aug 31 14:12:10 <Stskeeps> is { 'Actual text question asked' : choice, 'Another question asked' : choice2 } a shitty preset conf format? example, { 'Which Deblet environment would you like to install?' : 'nit-env-gnome-basic', 'Where would you like to install Deblet to?' : 0 # deblet-in-a-file }?
Aug 31 14:23:58 <riot> how long is sb-menu expected to run at first usage?? I've a quad core and its eating the cpu for over a minute now
Aug 31 14:26:09 <riot> aah, strace tells me, its stuck
Aug 31 14:26:20 <riot> wonderful. Apparently it dislikes my urxvt-terminal
Aug 31 14:26:58 <riot> niiiice. Xterm works flawlessly. Under urxvt it didn't even output an error. BUG!!!
Aug 31 14:43:14 <lcuk> oh shit, the camera is broked
Aug 31 14:43:34 <johnx> lcuk, it freaked out? have you rebooted yet?
Aug 31 14:43:53 <lcuk> no, my main actual camera
Aug 31 14:44:02 <johnx> eep O_o
Aug 31 14:44:04 <lcuk> its making some god awful noises from the lens as it powers up
Aug 31 14:44:17 <johnx> did you get sand in it or something?
Aug 31 14:44:39 <lcuk> no, but youngest found it the other day
Aug 31 14:44:43 <lcuk> :(
Aug 31 14:46:21 <lcuk> i wanted to show you what ive been doin with the menu
Aug 31 14:47:01 <brontide> anyone have a few moments to help my push a package to extras-devel?
Aug 31 14:47:48 <brontide> I have a .dsc, changes and tar.gz all built with py2deb and signed
Aug 31 14:50:32 <lcuk> brontide, sorry i cant help ive never sent a package anywhere
Aug 31 14:51:30 <qwerty12_N800> brontide: I've only done it once using sbox and web assistant  :/
Aug 31 14:52:10 <jott> and i never used py2deb :O
Aug 31 14:52:17 <jott> what's the actual problem? :)
Aug 31 14:52:27 <brontide> no problem, just don't know what to do next
Aug 31 14:52:43 <qwerty12_N800> ~extras-uploading
Aug 31 14:52:44 <infobot> from memory, extras-uploading is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras
Aug 31 14:56:35 <riot> woo, yay. I has a running diablo-sdk on my xephyr.
Aug 31 14:56:46 <brontide> why can't I scp out of the device, keep gettign /usr/bin/ssh: No such file or directory
Aug 31 14:57:13 <jott> brontide: install ssh?! :)
Aug 31 14:57:34 <brontide> duh, I must have only installed openssh-server
Aug 31 15:02:10 <lcuk> jott, this menu is amazing
Aug 31 15:03:01 <lcuk> i thought it was good before, but it looks really nice and it has a great wipe transition effect now
Aug 31 15:03:09 <jott> showshowshow :)
Aug 31 15:03:21 <lcuk> scrollback, my camera is bust
Aug 31 15:03:25 <brontide> (&*^*^*(*(*Y*&^!(@*# apt-get is all screwed up... keeps barfing on osso-software-version\* stuff
Aug 31 15:04:30 <jott> lcuk: just mail the source or binary ;)
Aug 31 15:04:48 <Jaffa> lcuk: or another video or photo ;-)
Aug 31 15:05:07 <jott> brontide: osso-software-version.* is screwed up :/
Aug 31 15:05:23 <brontide> well I can't install openssh-client until it's fixed
Aug 31 15:05:24 <lcuk> lemme see what i can do, but lots of things are starting to come together
Aug 31 15:05:25 <riot> how do i install the default apps in the sdk? like browser et al
Aug 31 15:05:41 <jott> brontide: install the -unlocked package?
Aug 31 15:05:48 <lcuk> i rebuilt the menus using the ui tiles ive been working towards
Aug 31 15:05:48 <brontide> I have the unlocked
Aug 31 15:14:35 <lcuk> camera works
Aug 31 15:14:41 <lcuk> and ive took a movie
Aug 31 15:15:18 <lcuk> it was the rechargables
Aug 31 15:15:21 <lcuk> they have finally died
Aug 31 15:20:42 <RST38h> lcuk
Aug 31 15:20:50 <lcuk> yes
Aug 31 15:21:11 <qwerty12> RST38h: Could you please remove bad checksum check from VGB? :/
Aug 31 15:23:56 <RST38h> qwerty: Nope
Aug 31 15:24:02 <RST38h> Use gblist
Aug 31 15:24:38 <RST38h> http://fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/#EMUTools
Aug 31 15:25:05 <qwerty12> ok, ta :).i have an ips patched pokemon rom that would be nice to play :)
Aug 31 15:25:26 <riot> :( i have no repositories in my sdk.. normal? Not even a browser :((
Aug 31 15:25:43 <riot> and adding repositories via the application manager yields no results either
Aug 31 15:26:03 <johnx> riot, that's normal. a lot of those apps are closed source and are only available in the image you flash a tablet with
Aug 31 15:26:54 <napsy_> Hello. I'm trying to set up my host linux mashine in order to detect the nokia device as a network device. The problem is I don't know how to get to the terminal on the device. Please help.
Aug 31 15:27:27 <riot> johnx: even the browser??
Aug 31 15:27:38 <johnx> riot, the browser UI is closed
Aug 31 15:27:41 <lcuk> "PLEASE BE PATIENT—THIS MAY TAKE SEVERAL MINUTES.
Aug 31 15:27:41 <lcuk> ONCE COMPLETED, YOU WILL SEE A CONFIRMATION MESSAGE."
Aug 31 15:27:45 <johnx> the browser core is open
Aug 31 15:28:02 <riot> but even the added maemo-extras repository doesn't show up.
Aug 31 15:28:42 <johnx> riot, if you run apt-cache search some-package-in-extras it doesn't show up?
Aug 31 15:28:57 <johnx> napsy_, what tablet do you have and what OS version is on it?
Aug 31 15:29:17 <napsy_> johnx, nokia n800 with OS2008
Aug 31 15:29:20 <riot> johnx: yes, there's lots of stuff
Aug 31 15:30:22 <johnx> riot, I'm not understanding the problem...
Aug 31 15:30:27 <napsy_> the manual says I should get root access on the device terminal
Aug 31 15:30:36 <napsy_> but don't know how to get to the terminal
Aug 31 15:30:52 <johnx> napsy_, menu -> utilities -> x terminal
Aug 31 15:31:15 <napsy_> hmm damn ... how did i miss that
Aug 31 15:31:17 <napsy_> johnx, tnx
Aug 31 15:31:28 <johnx> to get root access you should get rootsh from here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Aug 31 15:31:29 <riot> johnx: hmm. Well this is not a real problem - i was just wondering why nothing appears in the application manager
Aug 31 15:31:57 <johnx> aaah...hmm, the app manager is strange even on real devices
Aug 31 15:32:16 <johnx> maybe it's looking for a weird dist name?
Aug 31 15:32:22 <johnx> just using apt-get should be fine
Aug 31 15:32:52 <riot> ok. The menus don't really get upgraded either? Because i just installed gpe-calendar to test it, it doesn't appear (and it doesn't run either, has some probles with the d-bus library)
Aug 31 15:33:29 <johnx> how did you run it?
Aug 31 15:33:47 <riot> in the sdk-shell
Aug 31 15:33:57 <johnx> what was the exact command?
Aug 31 15:34:02 <riot> gpe-calendar
Aug 31 15:34:12 <johnx> try run-standalone.sh gpe-calendar
Aug 31 15:34:26 <riot> aah ok
Aug 31 15:34:41 * lcuk gets impatient with youtube
Aug 31 15:35:36 <lcuk> jott, regarding the blending of images using their alpha channels - that will have to wait: loading png files kept failing and im not going back to it till after
Aug 31 15:38:06 <lcuk> why on earth doesnt youtube upload have a progress
Aug 31 15:41:21 <napsy_> Hm when I'm root in the terminal and try to execute insmod, terminal says insmod was not found. Any ideas?
Aug 31 15:41:42 <johnx> napsy_, try /sbin/insmod
Aug 31 15:42:45 <napsy_> it worked thnaks
Aug 31 15:43:27 <johnx> hmm...your PATH must not be set right. what command did you use to get root access?
Aug 31 15:43:33 <napsy_> is there a way to go up in the terminal
Aug 31 15:43:42 <GAN8001> dpad. . . .
Aug 31 15:43:44 <johnx> napsy_, press up :)
Aug 31 15:43:45 <napsy_> to the previous command
Aug 31 15:44:02 <napsy_> hmm I don't have any Up key
Aug 31 15:44:05 <GAN8001> dpad. . . .
Aug 31 15:44:50 <johnx> on the left side of the device is a 4-way directional pad. hit up on that "d-pad"
Aug 31 15:44:53 <lcuk> how long does youtube processing normally take?
Aug 31 15:45:03 <lcuk> its finished uploading now
Aug 31 15:45:05 <GAN8001> lcuk, depends on your connection
Aug 31 15:45:05 <napsy_> oh lol :)
Aug 31 15:45:08 <napsy_> forgot about that
Aug 31 15:45:31 <lcuk> GAN800, its on their server, it tells me its not finished processing yet thou
Aug 31 15:46:51 <napsy_> johnx, yes my PATH is not set ... I used 'rootsh' to get to root
Aug 31 15:47:08 <johnx> napsy_, try sudo gainroot or root
Aug 31 15:47:12 <qwerty12> ^
Aug 31 15:47:12 <napsy_> ok
Aug 31 15:47:19 <johnx> i think they do the same thing
Aug 31 15:47:29 <qwerty12> na, root is better than sudo gainroot
Aug 31 15:47:45 <qwerty12> (root correctly sources the environment)
Aug 31 15:47:58 <lcuk> its live >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc
Aug 31 15:48:21 <qwerty12> ooh nice menu
Aug 31 15:48:31 <qwerty12> transitions are nice too
Aug 31 15:49:09 <lcuk> transitions are great :D
Aug 31 15:51:34 <johnx> you managed to cope with the ondemand scheduler?
Aug 31 15:52:13 <lcuk> no, either cos im doing more its not dropping, or nokia have tweaked it slightly
Aug 31 15:52:40 <lcuk> it feels different and its rarer i notice im in ondemand
Aug 31 15:53:35 <lcuk> jaffa, jott, youtube vis is there
Aug 31 15:56:41 <Jaffa> lcuk: ta
Aug 31 15:57:08 <GAN8001> Cool
Aug 31 15:57:19 <Jaffa> lcuk: looks good
Aug 31 15:57:30 * Jaffa decides to have a poke around inside the Java class files making up Navicore
Aug 31 16:00:22 * lcuk gets on with the rest now
Aug 31 16:22:23 <napsy__> Hello. I can connect to the nokia device from my host system but when I try to ssh into it no password works. Even if I manually set the root password. Any ideas?
Aug 31 16:28:12 <Jaffa> From the look of it, the Java's only used for the navigation features; with the Map app itself being ObjectiveC.
Aug 31 16:38:37 <Italodance> wow i finished quake 2 by my n800 now
Aug 31 16:38:42 <Italodance> :p
Aug 31 16:38:52 <Italodance> great game
Aug 31 17:07:05 <riot> mhmm. mounting the external card via sshfs is a nice thing. It achieves only 1 mb/sec though via wireless.
Aug 31 18:06:39 * sinak kserei kaneis ti wra einai o agwnas?
Aug 31 18:08:49 * sinak cyz
Aug 31 19:35:25 <zap> Any members of the 'kernels' garage project here?
Aug 31 19:39:13 <lcuk> zap, i dont think anyones here
Aug 31 19:41:03 <GAN8001> I'm a member
Aug 31 19:41:13 <GAN8001> But not really doing anything at the moment.
Aug 31 19:41:21 <zap> yep, nobody's doing :)
Aug 31 19:41:27 <zap> I'm going to do some work on it
Aug 31 19:41:31 <GAN8001> Yeah, there's no activity yet
Aug 31 19:41:40 <GAN8001> fanoush and trickie are really busy.
Aug 31 19:41:50 <zap> I'm thinking about kernel packaging. Any ideas about it?
Aug 31 19:41:53 <GAN8001> I bet you could harass qwerty12 into doing something, though.
Aug 31 19:42:05 <GAN8001> qwerty12 is the man for that.
Aug 31 19:42:13 <zap> qwerty12_N800: <beep>
Aug 31 19:42:26 <GAN8001> Basically you just need to install the kernel image and call fiasco-flasher in postinst
Aug 31 19:42:40 * qwerty12_N800 is not here, please leave your message after the tone
Aug 31 19:42:46 <zap> :)
Aug 31 19:43:35 <zap> I'm thinking about different branches of the community kernels
Aug 31 19:43:38 <qwerty12_N800> I'll start working when someone else does :p. so far, i'm testing preempt kernel :)
Aug 31 19:43:50 <yacoob> please leave your tone, after the message
Aug 31 19:43:52 <zap> qwerty12_N800: good, I'll kick the project going
Aug 31 19:44:06 <lcuk> "please leave your credit card details after the tone"
Aug 31 19:44:13 <qwerty12_N800> zap: cool :)
Aug 31 19:44:14 <zap> please leave
Aug 31 19:44:37 <zap> What should be the versioning scheme
Aug 31 19:44:51 <zap> and whether the kernel modules packages will be compatible with different kernel branches
Aug 31 19:45:16 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: please tell me over the phone, the contents of your latest liqbase binary base64 encoded... :p
Aug 31 19:45:34 <lcuk> i'm sorry, i can only supply it encoded in northern
Aug 31 19:45:43 <qwerty12_N800> oh noez
Aug 31 19:46:32 <lcuk> im glad i finally replaced the menu - its a total drop in replacement but built with the ui components and stuff ive been working on
Aug 31 19:46:57 <qwerty12_N800> zap: for modules, i think separate modules for each kernel would be best. i currently keep the version tricked on the preempt kernel to load modules that don't have preempt tag in version
Aug 31 19:47:18 <qwerty12_N800> for example
Aug 31 19:47:54 <zap> right now kernel isn't packaged at all, right?
Aug 31 19:47:59 <jott> zap: i still think the sanest solution would be to have a osso-software-version-community like meta package and then different kernel versions that "provide" the right kernel.
Aug 31 19:48:14 <lcuk> these kernel module changes, are people going to have to choose the kernel with closest features to what they want, but may not be able to get all the features available?
Aug 31 19:48:37 <lcuk> or is it going to be one "community kernel"
Aug 31 19:48:37 <zap> I'm not sure yet, I just want to make sure several kernels will play together nicely
Aug 31 19:48:49 <zap> My idea is to have a kernel with all features
Aug 31 19:48:54 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: patches will be available, you can always compile your own ;)
Aug 31 19:48:56 <zap> if that is possible and all features are stable
Aug 31 19:48:57 <qwerty12_N800> zap: +
Aug 31 19:49:15 <lcuk> zap - i would prefer the single one - it makes it easy for users to understand
Aug 31 19:49:24 <zap> but anyways I want to make it possible to roll easily your own kernel
Aug 31 19:49:29 <zap> me too
Aug 31 19:49:48 <zap> Ubuntu has a special metapackage - linux-image-generic
Aug 31 19:49:49 <lcuk> rolling your own is download and select options to build as required is it not
Aug 31 19:49:50 <jott> zap: the current kernel is in "kernel-diablo-flasher"
Aug 31 19:50:00 <zap> it depends on the package linux-image-2.6.24-19-generic
Aug 31 19:50:08 <lcuk> jott, did you see the new youtube
Aug 31 19:50:17 <jott> lcuk: not yet i guess
Aug 31 19:50:27 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc
Aug 31 19:50:29 <zap> ah, flasher
Aug 31 19:50:34 <qwerty12_N800> I would only suggest separate kernel when 2 or more *useful* features conflict but the features are popular with people
Aug 31 19:50:44 <zap> I had the impression kernel-diablo-flasher is the flashing tool :)
Aug 31 19:51:01 <zap> well, for example qwerty12 is playing with latest-and-greatest kernel
Aug 31 19:51:14 <jott> zap: it also contains the kernel image.. :/
Aug 31 19:51:19 <zap> it should be possible to install that too, but this is pretty experimental
Aug 31 19:51:22 <jott> not really intuitive naming :)
Aug 31 19:51:28 <zap> indeed :)
Aug 31 19:51:40 <zap> so we have at least two kernels already
Aug 31 19:51:53 <zap> 2.6.21-200829maemo1 %-\
Aug 31 19:52:26 <zap> imho community kernels should use some different versioning scheme
Aug 31 19:52:56 <zap> right now kernel itself is 2.6.21-omap1
Aug 31 19:53:11 <zap> and package is versioned differently, this sucks
Aug 31 19:53:25 <jott> lcuk: lol @ "the original thing is still here" :)
Aug 31 19:53:58 <lcuk> ;)
Aug 31 19:54:15 <lcuk> its got a complete reworking from the ground up :)
Aug 31 19:54:17 <jott> zap: and unfortunately it will break osso-softare-versions if we don't leave the original kernel-diablo-flasher in place..
Aug 31 19:54:28 <qwerty12_N800> zap: I have a problem with the slowness of nokia releasing kernel sources
Aug 31 19:54:39 <zap> jott: I think we will leave it in place
Aug 31 19:54:50 <zap> qwerty12_N800: you mean wifi?
Aug 31 19:55:20 <jott> lcuk: but looks nice otherwise.
Aug 31 19:56:07 <qwerty12_N800> zap: no, nokia still haven't updated kernel-source-diablo to 29, it's still 24. what happens if nokia fix serious bug but we are still waiting for code of fix?
Aug 31 19:56:30 <jott> is 24 really different to 29? :)
Aug 31 19:56:48 <GAN800> jott, it's not.
Aug 31 19:57:08 <qwerty12_N800> jott: I think it's the same but saying that, they haven't updated source to other things like modest
Aug 31 19:57:13 <GAN800> m-vo said as much. It's a package update.
Aug 31 19:57:35 <brontide> ok... how long does it take for autobuilder to do it's thing?
Aug 31 19:57:49 <GAN800> 5 minutes or so
Aug 31 19:57:55 <GAN800> Dependinh
Aug 31 19:57:57 <jott> brontide: usually ranges from 1 min to 20 min.
Aug 31 19:57:59 <GAN800> g
Aug 31 19:58:23 <GAN800> Where the hell are the server upgrades? :/
Aug 31 19:58:38 <zap> at least if I compile modules for kernel-source-diablo 2.6.21-200823maemo6 they work fine on the tablet
Aug 31 19:58:39 <jott> for everything longer you should start to get concerned :)
Aug 31 19:59:56 <zap> Where's the ITOS2008 server edition?
Aug 31 20:00:46 <GAN800> On the N800's running maemo.org
Aug 31 20:00:48 <lcuk> maemo.org is runnin it
Aug 31 20:00:52 <lcuk> lol
Aug 31 20:00:56 <brontide> packages can't have capitals?
Aug 31 20:01:24 <qwerty12_N800> brontide: read debian package policy :)
Aug 31 20:01:24 <zap> they can has a cheezburger
Aug 31 20:01:40 <qwerty12_N800> i gives them coke
Aug 31 20:01:45 * yacoob wants proper smb support in next version of maemo
Aug 31 20:01:58 * brontide has only ever done RPM stuff....  
Aug 31 20:02:04 <zap> smb is not very good when the connection breaks
Aug 31 20:02:13 <zap> it can hang your stuff for long periods of time
Aug 31 20:02:16 <RST38h> mooo
Aug 31 20:02:20 <RST38h> screw smb
Aug 31 20:02:31 <RST38h> upnp media server is enough
Aug 31 20:02:50 <yacoob> no, it isn't :)
Aug 31 20:03:01 * qwerty12_N800 only uses smb, all other computers in the house are windows 
Aug 31 20:03:16 * RST38h explicitely disables all smb services on each windows machine in the house
Aug 31 20:03:30 <RST38h> [using ftp and ssh instead]
Aug 31 20:04:09 <yacoob> that's very... convenient.
Aug 31 20:04:58 <lcuk> yacoob, thats very... diplomatic.
Aug 31 20:05:04 <zap> ssh to windoz? exotic.
Aug 31 20:05:08 <lcuk> i do it
Aug 31 20:05:11 <qwerty12_N800> yacoob: if you want to use passworded smb shares etc, command line it is
Aug 31 20:05:14 <RST38h> naah, windows ones run ftp
Aug 31 20:05:25 * zap doznt run windoz
Aug 31 20:05:27 <yacoob> lcuk, I'm interested in reasoning behind this :)
Aug 31 20:05:28 <lcuk> i use winscp
Aug 31 20:05:48 <RST38h> and the whole thing is behind a router so yacoob's evil plan to hack it is kinda useless
Aug 31 20:05:49 <jott> (open)sshd runs fine under windows.
Aug 31 20:05:54 <qwerty12_N800> i have an ssh server in windows and linux
Aug 31 20:06:09 <zap> jott: it runs, but you can't do much
Aug 31 20:06:19 <RST38h> zap: Just need scp really
Aug 31 20:06:21 <jott> zap: sftp atleast :)
Aug 31 20:06:25 <zap> you can't even launch far
Aug 31 20:06:36 <RST38h> well, far is console based
Aug 31 20:06:38 <jott> and with cygwin a bit more.
Aug 31 20:06:38 <yacoob> RST38h, :o
Aug 31 20:06:44 <jott> mc runs :)
Aug 31 20:06:47 <qwerty12_N800> best far plugin is sefp :>
Aug 31 20:06:48 <zap> far is, but windows doesn't really have a console
Aug 31 20:06:51 <RST38h> mc will run
Aug 31 20:06:58 <lcuk> putty
Aug 31 20:07:10 <RST38h> when I say "far is console based" I mean WIndoze console API rather than stdin/stdout
Aug 31 20:07:11 <zap> mc will run away
Aug 31 20:07:44 <zap> I ported once long ago openssh to OS/2
Aug 31 20:07:58 <zap> it used to work with all console apps
Aug 31 20:08:08 <RST38h> how did you forward the api calls?
Aug 31 20:08:18 <zap> scanned the screen, make a diff, convert to ansi seq
Aug 31 20:08:48 <zap> exotic stuff
Aug 31 20:08:51 <RST38h> ah
Aug 31 20:08:54 <RST38h> evil
Aug 31 20:09:18 <zap> the client was better though :) wrote a complete vt100 implementation for it
Aug 31 20:09:58 <zap> console based, not like putty does
Aug 31 20:11:06 * RST38h has got an NXC2600 devkit
Aug 31 20:11:12 <RST38h> Really cool little device
Aug 31 20:11:25 * qwerty12_N800 wishes winscp worked  in linux w/out wine :/. atm, i'm using gnome vfs's sftp support in nautilus
Aug 31 20:11:29 <RST38h> Runs Linux+X11+XFCE, GTK installed
Aug 31 20:11:32 <brontide> Whohoo... py2deb + scp = success
Aug 31 20:11:56 <RST38h> qwerty: I am sure there is a fitting native replacement =)
Aug 31 20:12:05 <jott> yuck winscp :/
Aug 31 20:12:34 * jott prepares the plastic gloves.
Aug 31 20:12:35 <zap> qwerty12_N800: gFTP?
Aug 31 20:12:39 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Aug 31 20:12:42 * zap uses mc
Aug 31 20:12:50 <zap> and lftp
Aug 31 20:12:52 <RST38h> mc+n810=trouble
Aug 31 20:12:57 <zap> ?
Aug 31 20:13:04 <qwerty12_N800> zap: ah, i have that installed as well, thanks :)
Aug 31 20:13:06 <RST38h> damn keyboard pops up all the time
Aug 31 20:13:17 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: wait a sec
Aug 31 20:13:22 <jott> huh? i disabled all keyboard stuff..
Aug 31 20:13:22 <zap> disable finger keyboard
Aug 31 20:13:26 <jott> never bothers me.
Aug 31 20:13:29 * zap too
Aug 31 20:13:35 <RST38h> yes, but I need it in other apps! =)
Aug 31 20:13:51 <jott> hmm.. where whould you need it?! :D
Aug 31 20:13:56 <zap> disable just the finger keyboard
Aug 31 20:14:01 <RST38h> [and I mean pen keyboard, finger keyboard I am unable to invoke anyway]
Aug 31 20:14:05 <zap> not the screen keyboard
Aug 31 20:14:07 * qwerty12_N800 just does gconftool-2 --set -t bool /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached true on n800 :)
Aug 31 20:14:18 <RST38h> screen keyboard always pops up
Aug 31 20:14:28 <RST38h> can't disable it - need it elsewhere
Aug 31 20:14:42 <zap> does it happen in a plain xterm?
Aug 31 20:14:45 <RST38h> qwerty: Hey, this can be made into a little sh scrip ;)
Aug 31 20:14:51 <RST38h> zap: osso-xterm
Aug 31 20:14:57 <zap> yes, in it?
Aug 31 20:15:00 <RST38h> yes
Aug 31 20:15:10 <zap> sad, looks likt xterm invokes it then
Aug 31 20:15:15 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: already have done ;) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=219502#post219502
Aug 31 20:16:03 <zap> rst38 has a n810, not 800
Aug 31 20:16:12 <zap> so keyboard-attached is true anyway
Aug 31 20:16:29 <brontide> more stuipd questions.  Now that the package is built, how long till the .install file shows up in extra-devel for testing?
Aug 31 20:16:45 <qwerty12_N800> zap: it wasn't for me in n810 emulator
Aug 31 20:17:09 <RST38h> brontide: monday midday
Aug 31 20:17:33 <qwerty12_N800> brontide: either way, a long time
Aug 31 20:17:35 <RST38h> wait, you are building from sources... mmm, maybe you will get it earlier
Aug 31 20:17:48 <zap> hmm, indeed false
Aug 31 20:17:49 <GAN800> No .install from source.
Aug 31 20:17:51 <zap> wtf?
Aug 31 20:18:03 <GAN800> The system isn't setup for it.
Aug 31 20:18:04 <RST38h> GAN: No, I mean he is using autobuilder
Aug 31 20:18:16 <GAN800> There's a mail on -developers about it.
Aug 31 20:18:16 <qwerty12_N800> zap: it's for external keyboards afaik
Aug 31 20:18:21 <zap> ah
Aug 31 20:18:21 <RST38h> GAN: And AFAIK with autobuilder the package gets promoted automatically
Aug 31 20:18:27 <brontide> In the meantime I should just test with the .deb directly?
Aug 31 20:18:33 <GAN800> Right, no .install from the autobuilder.
Aug 31 20:18:35 <RST38h> GAN: When submitting binaries, somebody from Nokia has to press the button to promote it
Aug 31 20:19:08 <GAN800> The autobuilder submission chain does not include .install generation.
Aug 31 20:19:29 <GAN800> Nobody seemed to care when X-Fade brought it up on the list.
Aug 31 20:19:44 <brontide> so all the .install files in extras-devel are put there manually?
Aug 31 20:19:59 <GAN800> We should probably talk to hi. when he gets back.
Aug 31 20:20:13 <GAN800> brontide, or from non-free.
Aug 31 20:20:24 <RST38h> But, gentlemen...
Aug 31 20:20:30 <GAN800> Since non-free uses the old submission chain.
Aug 31 20:20:36 <RST38h> Any of you can just create an .install file and place it online
Aug 31 20:20:53 <RST38h> This is what I have done: all my .installs are at fms.komkon.org/EmuMaemo/
Aug 31 20:20:53 <GAN800> Right, it's not a difficult thing to decode.
Aug 31 20:21:03 <qwerty12_N800> the maemo apps catalogue will happily host it too
Aug 31 20:21:07 <RST38h> *or* you can create one right inside the product page
Aug 31 20:21:08 <GAN800> or just forget the .install entirely
Aug 31 20:21:18 <GAN800> Go through Application manager.
Aug 31 20:21:32 <GAN800> If you're just testing.
Aug 31 20:21:59 <GAN800> .installs are just convenience makers for noobs.
Aug 31 20:22:16 <brontide> I was hoping to sucker a few noobs for testing ;-)
Aug 31 20:22:48 <qwerty12_N800> brontide: you called?
Aug 31 20:23:25 <brontide> testing... sure, if you have a Grandcentral account
Aug 31 20:23:35 <zap> noob?
Aug 31 20:23:51 <qwerty12_N800> brontide: heh, don't think i can get one anyway
Aug 31 20:24:52 <GAN800> zap, google: define noob
Aug 31 20:25:58 <zap> I know whats a noob, I'm wondering if qwerty12 qualifies as one
Aug 31 20:26:20 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Aug 31 20:26:30 <GAN800> Oh, well, of course. :P
Aug 31 20:26:44 <qwerty12_N800> :P
Aug 31 20:27:24 <GAN800> qwerty12_
Aug 31 20:27:44 <GAN800> qwerty12_N800, get yourself a Beagle so I can leach off your hacking.
Aug 31 20:28:04 <jott> GAN800: have you done anything useful with it yet?
Aug 31 20:28:16 <qwerty12_N008> GAN800: Heh, my ass is broke :P
Aug 31 20:28:20 <GAN800> jott, still need the serial adaptor
Aug 31 20:28:38 <GAN800> I can't do anything without it, apparently. :/
Aug 31 20:28:39 <jott> huh. can't be that hard :/
Aug 31 20:28:59 <GAN800> Broke out a nullmodem cable to shrink wrap onto the pins but decided against that/
Aug 31 20:29:15 <GAN800> No, I just have to get something
Aug 31 20:29:44 <Stskeeps> is maemo-select-menu-location the only way to wedge something into the applications menu?
Aug 31 20:29:46 <GAN800> There's, like, a half dozen places/people I could get one from for free, but not until tomorrow.
Aug 31 20:30:03 <Stskeeps> (i'm interested in a solution where it -doesn't- ask where it should put it..)
Aug 31 20:30:15 <qwerty12_N008> GAN800: I recommend gta with the florida gangstas
Aug 31 20:30:56 <jott> GAN800: isn't that something you would find when you dig trough your old spare part boxes? .)
Aug 31 20:31:08 <qwerty12_N008> Stskeeps: maemo-select-menu-location takes a 3rd argument to explicitly specify which category to put the desktop file in
Aug 31 20:31:35 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N008: does it still pop up the dialog box to ask where to put it anyway?
Aug 31 20:32:14 <jott> Stskeeps: it's part of h-a-m so just grab the source and patch it to your needs :)
Aug 31 20:32:26 <qwerty12_N008> Stskeeps: Good point, i think it does. apt-get the hildon app manager source and iirc the code's in there
Aug 31 20:32:31 <Stskeeps> ovely
Aug 31 20:32:52 <GAN800> jott, you would assume, and I KNOW I had some, but they must've gone away at some point. :(
Aug 31 20:33:02 * Stskeeps was planning on mass converting debian xdg menus to maemo application manager..
Aug 31 20:33:23 <Stskeeps> same format, minimal changes needed
Aug 31 20:33:30 <jott> yeah i would just patch the tool then.
Aug 31 20:33:33 <jott> should be fairly easy.
Aug 31 20:34:18 <jott> GAN800: and the bootloader does not support usb?
Aug 31 20:34:29 <GAN800> There's a giant computer graveyard at my old job, I'll go steal one from there tomorrow.
Aug 31 20:34:49 <GAN800> jott, it does, but you have to tell it to use whatever
Aug 31 20:34:53 <RST38h> Grave desecrator!
Aug 31 20:34:59 <GAN800> Which requires serial console.
Aug 31 20:35:17 <qwerty12_N008> interesting decision :/
Aug 31 20:35:37 <GAN800> Meh, it'll be easier eventually
Aug 31 20:35:43 <GAN800> But for now.
Aug 31 20:36:55 <qwerty12_N008> If you know anyone with hacked cable, get a serial cable off them now or threaten to reveallytheir secret :p
Aug 31 20:37:07 <qwerty12_N008> s/off/of
Aug 31 20:40:55 <GAN800> The wiki documentation for the beagle is a little weak.
Aug 31 20:42:04 <jott> have you tried this? http://beagleboard.googlegroups.com/attach/a124e3b0a2a99d5e/omap3_usbload.txt?view=1&part=2
Aug 31 20:42:55 <jott> i bet you'll get hints in #beagle too :)
Aug 31 20:44:00 <GAN800> jott, haven't so far. :P
Aug 31 20:44:38 <jott> GAN800: you could start to plan the 770 omap3 mod meanwhile ;)
Aug 31 20:44:56 <GAN800> Hooking up the lcd is gonna be trouble.
Aug 31 20:45:42 <jott> yeah you probably need some extra chip - otoh the epson hardware is documented ;)
Aug 31 20:46:18 <GAN800> I could probably tie into the OMAP controller before it hits the DVI chip.
Aug 31 20:46:49 <GAN800> But, uh, that really sounds like way too much goddamn work for a lazy bastard like me. ;)
Aug 31 20:47:09 <jott> hey but keep the rewarding result in mind ,>
Aug 31 20:48:15 <RST38h> "And it doesn't matter how much you are prepared to spend; you can't buy your way out of the 'compact camera problem' - a small, noisy sensor is a small noisy sensor no matter what kind of tank you build around it or how many 'professional' features you build into the body."
Aug 31 20:48:17 <RST38h> Hehe
Aug 31 20:49:15 <GAN800> Well, until the tech gets morezbadass.
Aug 31 20:49:33 <RST38h> They have hit the wall, with respect to laws of physics
Aug 31 20:49:34 <t_s_o> and then it gets so across the board
Aug 31 20:49:51 <lcuk> GAN800, there is a limit - you need to add more light to get smaller sensors working properly
Aug 31 20:49:57 <RST38h> Fuji is the only one successfully jumping up the wall, but it is cheating
Aug 31 20:50:11 <GAN800> Magic lenses.
Aug 31 20:50:17 <RST38h> no, magic sensor ;)
Aug 31 20:50:38 <RST38h> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_CCD
Aug 31 20:50:41 <GAN800> No, I mean for breaching the wall.
Aug 31 20:50:45 <RST38h> Ah
Aug 31 20:50:46 <t_s_o> i would say that noise is only a issue when your printing out A4 or larger images...
Aug 31 20:50:52 <jott> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=372103&eventPage=1
Aug 31 20:50:56 <jott> hehe look at the price :)
Aug 31 20:51:08 <RST38h> t_s_o: Depends on how much noise and what kind of detail you are printing
Aug 31 20:51:12 * RST38h often zooms & crops
Aug 31 20:51:30 <GAN800> I wish I could get a decent 7" dvi touchscreen for a reasonable price.
Aug 31 20:51:48 <qwerty12_N008> jott: lol, too expensive
Aug 31 20:51:58 <RST38h> jjott: that is normal
Aug 31 20:52:27 <t_s_o> RST38h: well, usage scenario is king
Aug 31 20:52:32 <RST38h> jott: it is a really fickle sensor with "optics" roughly equivalent to a pinhole :)
Aug 31 20:52:55 <jott> RST38h: yeah i wasn't going to say "good offer" :)
Aug 31 20:53:04 <RST38h> t_s_o: yea, but still a general purpose camera good for all scenarios would be cool
Aug 31 20:53:34 <t_s_o> RST38h: not going to happen. or to put it another way, general purpose isnt...
Aug 31 20:54:21 <GAN800> It's kind of awesome that that kind of tech is so cheap.
Aug 31 20:54:26 <RST38h> I wonder if it is possible to get rid of the noise by reducing the pixel count...
Aug 31 20:54:36 <GAN800> Think about what that would be 50 years ago
Aug 31 20:54:54 <t_s_o> hmm, i kinda recall reading about some kind of analog sensor, dont know where or when tho...
Aug 31 20:54:58 <RST38h> i.e. go down from useless 12mpx to decent 6mpx while reducing noise
Aug 31 20:55:02 <Stskeeps> XXX - Making new folders doesn't seem to work so well right now
Aug 31 20:55:03 <Stskeeps> pfft.
Aug 31 20:55:13 <RST38h> GAN: No such ICs 50 years ago
Aug 31 20:55:29 <RST38h> Wouldn't even be able to process the data from such a sensor
Aug 31 20:55:37 <GAN800> RST38h, yeah, that's the point.
Aug 31 20:55:45 <qwerty12_N008> Stskeeps: mkdir /media/mmc2/XXXporn
Aug 31 20:55:47 <jott> behoooold the future!
Aug 31 20:57:08 <lcuk> RST38h, yes you can - take your 12mpix image nd merge the pixels
Aug 31 20:57:16 <lcuk> you will reduce the noise
Aug 31 20:57:44 <AStorm> and blur the image
Aug 31 20:57:50 <lcuk> hubble only has 1mpixel sensor :) each pixel is about 3 metres across though to gather as much light as possible
Aug 31 20:58:00 <AStorm> hehehe
Aug 31 20:58:09 <lcuk> astorm, but you are taking the data from 4 pixels and making them 1
Aug 31 20:58:11 <RST38h> lcuk: I have some doubt
Aug 31 20:58:22 <AStorm> lcuk: that has to use some smart algorithm
Aug 31 20:58:29 <AStorm> not simple averaging
Aug 31 20:58:44 <lcuk> alternatively, reduce noise by overlaying 2 12mpix images - same result, more signal, less noise (until you make it bleed)
Aug 31 20:58:47 <RST38h> lcuk: Given that the noise is regularly distributed, you are risking to amplify it or get the same amount
Aug 31 20:59:00 <AStorm> it is not noise then
Aug 31 20:59:12 <RST38h> 2 images, especially at different ISOs sound like a better idea
Aug 31 20:59:12 <AStorm> but another distortion
Aug 31 20:59:12 <RST38h> AStorm: It is noise
Aug 31 20:59:16 <lcuk> not really, try the nokia camera at 25fps and then try same thing at 8fps
Aug 31 20:59:21 <AStorm> non-random noise is not noise, but distortion ;P
Aug 31 20:59:25 <lcuk> you get more signal for your buck
Aug 31 20:59:34 <RST38h> AStorm: But due to some physical properties it flows over the sensor surface like waves
Aug 31 20:59:48 <AStorm> then you can remove it
Aug 31 20:59:57 <AStorm> w/o any tricks
Aug 31 21:00:21 <RST38h> Yes, packages lke PaintShop make use of this property to remove it intelligently
Aug 31 21:04:26 <t_s_o> i see now that i came into this from the wrong angle. i guess it comes from one to many consumer "discussion" about something or other where one inevitably bump into some mediaphile that will argue that anything below a SLR is a waste of money even if all your going to take pictures of is your dog...
Aug 31 21:06:22 <GAN800> Anything below SLR just isn't any fun.
Aug 31 21:06:52 <t_s_o> that would depend on ones definition of fun...
Aug 31 21:07:11 <t_s_o> the fun of taking the picture, or the fun found in the picture...
Aug 31 21:07:19 <lcuk> high definition dog pictures are a purchasing requirement
Aug 31 21:07:50 <GAN800> Camera fun
Aug 31 21:08:11 <GAN800> The pictures are just a side effect of camera fun. :p
Aug 31 21:08:19 <lcuk> my next camera MUST have a single missing feature: to be able to zoom without turning off the mic
Aug 31 21:08:36 <lcuk> when it zooms it goes silent \@/
Aug 31 21:08:40 <GAN800> Buy a DSLR
Aug 31 21:08:57 <GAN800> oh, camcorder
Aug 31 21:08:58 <qwerty12_N008> bruv, a fun camera would be one that fires pellets
Aug 31 21:09:16 <GAN800> I'd just get a cheap camcorder for video.
Aug 31 21:09:22 <lcuk> GAN800, no, just a regular digital compact with decent recordign will do me
Aug 31 21:09:24 <RST38h> DSLR is an overkill
Aug 31 21:09:38 <RST38h> Good camera is a camera that you will not hesitate to take with you
Aug 31 21:09:44 <t_s_o> either im talking chinese or im failing to pick up some irony
Aug 31 21:09:52 <GAN8001> I don't hesitate to take mine with me. :P
Aug 31 21:10:18 <lcuk> t_s_o, do you use your irony board for eaxtreme sports?
Aug 31 21:10:19 <RST38h> Just means you are freakier than other people currently present =)
Aug 31 21:10:35 <t_s_o> heh, good question
Aug 31 21:10:37 <GAN8001> Point-and-shoot cameras just get in the way of taking pictures.
Aug 31 21:10:46 <RST38h> It does, I agree
Aug 31 21:10:55 <RST38h> But I can place it in my pocket, unlike DSLR
Aug 31 21:11:08 <GAN8001> True enough, but my neck holds things fine.
Aug 31 21:11:24 <RST38h> And, after some buggering, it produces decent results too
Aug 31 21:11:59 <lcuk> jesus GAN800 my image of you now has to include a DSLR \@/ ffs i was just getting used to imagining you with a bat utility belt full of 810's
Aug 31 21:12:11 <GAN8001> I don't have any N810s
Aug 31 21:12:19 <lcuk> ok 770s and 800s
Aug 31 21:12:29 <GAN8001> 770 stays at home. :P
Aug 31 21:12:52 <GAN8001> cellphone, N800, keys, wallet, watch, and sometimes a Leatherman.'
Aug 31 21:14:41 <mavhc> how do they get in the way of taking pictures?
Aug 31 21:15:10 <GAN8001> mavhc, have you ever used a DSLR?
Aug 31 21:15:25 <mavhc> occasionally
Aug 31 21:15:59 <GAN8001> Well, with a DSLR, you turn it on, it's on, you press the button, it takes the picture, you press the button again, it takes another picture.
Aug 31 21:16:25 <GAN8001> With a point-and-shoot, you turn it on, it extends the lens . . . starts up . . . waiting . . . waiting
Aug 31 21:16:37 <GAN8001> You press the button, it takes forever to focus and shoot
Aug 31 21:16:40 <mavhc> you have to wait up to 1 whole second!
Aug 31 21:16:46 <GAN8001> you press again . . . writing . . . writing
Aug 31 21:16:53 <GAN8001> Yeah and my Rebel shoots 3.5fps
Aug 31 21:16:57 <GAN8001> It gets in the way
Aug 31 21:17:00 <mavhc> no, to start up
Aug 31 21:17:02 <lcuk> GAN8001, what happens when you need to use flash with your dslr?
Aug 31 21:17:15 <lcuk> does that have charging time?
Aug 31 21:17:19 <GAN8001> lcuk, I press a button on the left of the body, the flash pops up, it uses it.
Aug 31 21:17:24 <lcuk> and 3.5fps isnt very high - mine shoots at 25fps
Aug 31 21:17:25 <GAN8001> Not much of one.
Aug 31 21:17:30 <GAN8001> lcuk, it's not video
Aug 31 21:17:38 <mavhc> lcuk: not at full res it doesn't
Aug 31 21:17:44 <GAN8001> Yours doesn't shoot beautiful 10MP pictures at 25fps.
Aug 31 21:17:46 <RST38h> GAN: My Casio focuses and shoots instantly
Aug 31 21:18:07 <lcuk> RST38h, not instant, but well within expected range
Aug 31 21:18:07 <GAN8001> RST38h, and then the next shot? :P
Aug 31 21:18:14 <RST38h> GAN: There are image quality problems of course, but none of the performance problems you describe
Aug 31 21:18:18 <mavhc> if I put it in multishot mode it does 2-3fps
Aug 31 21:18:27 <RST38h> GAN: It shotts at 50fps
Aug 31 21:18:31 <GAN8001> Point and shoot just isn't any fun to shoot with.
Aug 31 21:18:44 <GAN8001> Gets in the way and doesn't do what you tell it to.
Aug 31 21:18:46 <RST38h> GAN: And it shoots 7.5mpx at 4fps
Aug 31 21:19:00 <GAN8001> You have to fight the camera to get the shot you want.
Aug 31 21:19:02 <GAN8001> That's not fun.
Aug 31 21:19:07 <RST38h> Actually, it does - this partilcular casio has a manual mode
Aug 31 21:19:20 <lcuk> mine does as well
Aug 31 21:19:23 <RST38h> It is very limited due to primitive optics, but it does let you tell it what to do
Aug 31 21:19:30 <mavhc> I point the camera at the subject, press the button, how is it getting in the way?
Aug 31 21:19:42 <RST38h> mavhc: In ideal conditions it does not
Aug 31 21:19:59 <mavhc> what does not?
Aug 31 21:20:07 <GAN8001> Shoot with DSLR more
Aug 31 21:20:13 <GAN8001> I'm not really out to convince anybody
Aug 31 21:20:19 <GAN8001> Point-and-shoot doesn't work for me.
Aug 31 21:20:30 <lcuk> getting in the way is like the n810 - noisey image, poorly designed software, no manual settings.  but most consumer handhelds now are quite advanced and packed with decent features
Aug 31 21:20:34 <RST38h> mavhc: Otherwise, you are gonna get: 1) low dynamic range (whites washed out), 2) purplse fringing (shoot foliage), 3) high noise (shoot indoors), 4) wrong color temperasture (shoot indors with artificial lightning)
Aug 31 21:20:53 <RST38h> mavhc: Should I continue? =)
Aug 31 21:21:11 <t_s_o> the question then becomes, do the user care about those things?
Aug 31 21:21:16 <mavhc> point and shoot: pros: no neck strain, no loans to pay off, fits in more places, no need for a manual
Aug 31 21:21:17 * lcuk doesnt
Aug 31 21:21:18 <RST38h> BUT, in spite of all these problems, you can still place it into your pocket, unlike DSLR
Aug 31 21:21:24 <mikkov_> brontide: autobuilder generates .install files autimatically: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/install/
Aug 31 21:21:49 <mavhc> RST38h: it has white balance
Aug 31 21:21:50 <RST38h> t_s_o: I am pretty sure that at least 30% of the users do care
Aug 31 21:22:04 <lcuk> and those may go on to get a dslr when required
Aug 31 21:22:06 <RST38h> mavhc: yea, so it will be either underexposed or underexposed :)
Aug 31 21:22:22 <mavhc> hadn't noticed any problems
Aug 31 21:22:32 <lcuk> i have nothing against a pro camera, its just a consumer handheld does the trick
Aug 31 21:22:51 <GAN8001> mikkov_, I think he just pulled the Chinook files over.
Aug 31 21:23:01 <GAN8001> Or something may have changed since I last talked to him about it.
Aug 31 21:23:02 <GAN8001> Dunno.
Aug 31 21:23:23 <GAN8001> http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg16210.html
Aug 31 21:23:58 <mavhc> obviously for the other 10% of photos you need the larger sensor/better zoom/extra 0.5 seconds of speed starting up
Aug 31 21:24:14 <mikkov_> .install is always generated for extras-devel. But when you promote a package to extras .install isn't generated.
Aug 31 21:24:41 <lcuk> mavhc, i would rather have any image at all than not be able to take something larger
Aug 31 21:25:02 <jott> i would like to play around with the exilim pro ex-f1 with 1200 fps video recording :)
Aug 31 21:25:19 <lcuk> yes, but bandwidth would be a problem
Aug 31 21:25:40 <lcuk> 1200fps pure hd video :D
Aug 31 21:25:46 <GAN8001> It's, what 2xx*1xx?
Aug 31 21:26:05 <jott> GAN8001: yes, 336x96
Aug 31 21:26:11 <jott> still nice
Aug 31 21:26:25 <jott> 512x384 at 300 fps, 432x192 at 600 fps
Aug 31 21:26:59 <robink> zyrlcj
Aug 31 21:27:04 <robink> Sorry
Aug 31 21:28:59 <lcuk> jott! holy moly
Aug 31 21:29:12 <mavhc> bandwidth is their problem too
Aug 31 21:29:59 <lcuk> do not underestimate the amount of bandwidth of a gaggle of nuns with large pockets in their habits
Aug 31 21:31:47 <mavhc> in fact, do not estimate it at all
Aug 31 21:32:25 <lcuk> why not? perfect disguise
Aug 31 21:34:43 <jott> the ccd via nun connection will save the day!
Aug 31 21:46:00 <robink> Is there a Debian (maemo) patch for the lightmediascanner source?
Aug 31 21:48:06 <qwerty12_N008> robink: the debianisation  is already in the source
Aug 31 21:48:21 * qwerty12_N008 loves the new xarchiver
Aug 31 21:49:54 <mavhc> does anyone else find video center getting confused about which rss item is which file? mine thinks some items are already downloaded, when clicking play they play another video
Aug 31 21:50:10 <mavhc> the details window details are correct
Aug 31 21:50:22 <robink> qwerty12_N008: I just pulled the git tree and I'm not seeing it.
Aug 31 21:51:00 <qwerty12_N008> robink: I'm looking here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/l/lightmediascanner/ .
Aug 31 21:51:40 <robink> Oh, extras-devel...
Aug 31 21:55:21 <robink> qwerty12_N008: Thanks, I was looking in pool/chinook/extras/free/source (or trying to)
Aug 31 21:56:26 <qwerty12_N008> No problems, it's more worth looking in diablo as more source packages get uploaded there due to the autobuilder.
Aug 31 21:57:31 <robink> Ah.
Aug 31 21:58:27 * moontiger takes sbox out back and shoots it ... "die motherf***er die!!"
Aug 31 21:59:30 * lcuk watches sbox get back up, dust itself off, pick up an axe and go hunting for moontiger 
Aug 31 21:59:50 <moontiger> mofo wont die and it sure wont work properly
Aug 31 22:00:05 <lcuk> whats it breaking now?
Aug 31 22:00:32 <moontiger> none of the standard apps are there or can be installed
Aug 31 22:00:39 <moontiger> now it wont even show the ui
Aug 31 22:02:01 <melmoth> Youhouuuuu
Aug 31 22:02:09 * melmoth is happy
Aug 31 22:02:25 <melmoth> lcuk: i just computed my first gps route on the tablet !
Aug 31 22:02:45 <lcuk> melmoth \o/ w00t i suppose?
Aug 31 22:02:54 <melmoth> indeed.
Aug 31 22:03:06 <lcuk> is this using maemo mapper
Aug 31 22:03:10 <melmoth> there may even be some ram left for text to speech.
Aug 31 22:03:16 <lcuk> god no
Aug 31 22:03:18 <lcuk> tis ok
Aug 31 22:03:26 <melmoth> of course i want audio.
Aug 31 22:03:30 <lcuk> head in about 10 zillion places (as usual)
Aug 31 22:03:31 <melmoth> this is for bike.
Aug 31 22:03:40 <melmoth> for rent a boke to be exact
Aug 31 22:04:01 <melmoth> there is a demo working for PC here: http://sd-2175.dedibox.fr/pic/demo-sayhoo-0831.tar.gz
Aug 31 22:04:13 <melmoth> all is included, tiles, pickled graph data and sql database
Aug 31 22:04:27 <Proteous> Mmmm, pickles
Aug 31 22:04:28 <moontiger> melmoth, nice one!!
Aug 31 22:04:32 <melmoth> but for the tablet, i had to change the pickle in smaller bits, and pickel array instead of proper objects.
Aug 31 22:05:12 <melmoth> the tool to preapre tiles, pickle and database are on the svn, as well as the code that works with it.
Aug 31 22:05:41 <melmoth> moontiger: the problem is, i am afraid it really use lots and lots of ram, and it would be difficult to adapt to another bigger town
Aug 31 22:05:46 <lcuk> melmoth - you have created a lot of data
Aug 31 22:05:48 <melmoth> sorry londoners.
Aug 31 22:06:31 <moontiger> melmoth, im in san fran so i dont care about london
Aug 31 22:06:32 <moontiger> :)
Aug 31 22:06:33 <qwerty12_N008> we forgive you :p
Aug 31 22:06:34 <melmoth> for the demo to works, go in the src directory and launch "python sayhoo"
Aug 31 22:06:47 <melmoth> i am afraid san francisco is bigger than paris too :)
Aug 31 22:06:56 <melmoth> but lots of bike over here.
Aug 31 22:06:59 <moontiger> yes
Aug 31 22:07:08 * melmoth thinks of william gibson's virtual light 
Aug 31 22:07:08 <moontiger> san fran is really small actually
Aug 31 22:07:58 <melmoth> lcuk: it does not use maemo mapper, i had a look in it (i even some a patch ;-) ) ; but c is not my cup o tea.
Aug 31 22:10:24 <lcuk> melmoth, so you load up and process the osm database and display on the nokia
Aug 31 22:10:47 <melmoth> i download the osm data, parse the xml to feed a database.
Aug 31 22:11:10 <melmoth> then i realised i had to have all the data in memory , fetching it on a per needed basis was too slow.
Aug 31 22:11:22 <melmoth> so i just created a big object with all the graph, and pickled it.
Aug 31 22:11:39 * lcuk has never heard of pickling data
Aug 31 22:11:51 <melmoth> serialisation of data the python way.
Aug 31 22:12:36 * pupnik wants to port Scorched3D to N9x0
Aug 31 22:12:40 <melmoth> if you encounter some "no nodes" , it s because i forgot to remove subways nodes.
Aug 31 22:12:57 <pupnik> hey GAN8001 got any opengl demos running yet?
Aug 31 22:13:17 <lcuk> melmoth, looking at pickling, its just serialising the data in the order you need it
Aug 31 22:13:18 <melmoth> pupnik: what about wormux instead ? :)
Aug 31 22:13:23 <lcuk> hi pupnik
Aug 31 22:13:34 <GAN8001> pupnik, still working on the serial console. :\
Aug 31 22:13:41 <melmoth> it s serialising the data so i do not have to think how serialisation works :)
Aug 31 22:14:01 * melmoth has a lazy approch of problem solving
Aug 31 22:14:06 <lcuk> but wont you have the same problem if you aim to get the data out of sequence?
Aug 31 22:14:19 <GAN8001> I'm getting something now, at least
Aug 31 22:14:22 <GAN8001> But it's just gibberish
Aug 31 22:14:48 <melmoth> lcuk: i think so, that s why i try to serialised simple hash structure instead of complex object.
Aug 31 22:15:00 <melmoth> works faster and it took less space
Aug 31 22:15:19 <melmoth> but, then, all my nice object call had to change in the code.
Aug 31 22:15:45 <qwerty12_N800> melmoth: wormux runs on the n8x0 :p
Aug 31 22:15:55 <moontiger> can someone tell me how i get this piece of sh*t sbox to actually work???
Aug 31 22:16:09 <melmoth> so why would you like scorched earth ? Wormux beat all of those ballistical games.
Aug 31 22:17:04 <lcuk> melmoth, you arent the only one hard at work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc
Aug 31 22:20:52 <melmoth> beautifull.
Aug 31 22:21:02 <melmoth> is that sdl based ?
Aug 31 22:21:43 <GAN8001> xv
Aug 31 22:22:00 * moontiger nukes sbox
Aug 31 22:22:12 <moontiger> what a pile of steaming crap that is ... nice one nokia
Aug 31 22:22:34 <melmoth> lcuk: i am really really interested in the 'code editor' thingy you showed.the one with scrollin.
Aug 31 22:22:57 * melmoth is looking for a texvtiew sdl widget for a while.
Aug 31 22:23:10 <mavhc> melmoth: I always prefered the ballistic games without 207 weapons, 1 is enough
Aug 31 22:24:12 <lcuk> melmoth, im interested in it as well
Aug 31 22:24:21 <lcuk> and now i have my tiles in place maybe i can get back to it
Aug 31 22:24:27 * lcuk had to vanish
Aug 31 22:24:41 <melmoth> good night, i ll ask you about this later on :)
Aug 31 22:25:05 <lcuk> im back now, but i had a call of nature..
Aug 31 22:25:11 <melmoth> ahaha
Aug 31 22:25:22 <lcuk> why textview sdl
Aug 31 22:25:27 <melmoth> i was saying at second 30, there is a "code editor" thingy.
Aug 31 22:25:29 <lcuk> is there such a thing for sdl
Aug 31 22:25:38 <melmoth> not that i am aware of
Aug 31 22:26:18 <lcuk> i made the startings of the editor, but i had no ui elements around to handle it properly, now everything exists within an arbitary rectangle i should be able to do much more than before
Aug 31 22:26:33 <lcuk> the original elements were all whole screen, now thats not the case :)
Aug 31 22:26:45 <melmoth> is that C ?
Aug 31 22:26:50 <lcuk> yes
Aug 31 22:27:03 <melmoth> hmmm.
Aug 31 22:27:43 <melmoth> are sources available somewhere ?
Aug 31 22:27:45 <melmoth> or will ?
Aug 31 22:27:56 * robink is trying to build lightmediascanner-ogg
Aug 31 22:28:09 <lcuk> to the released version yes, the latest stuff has not been released in any for myet (barring the yt vid you just saw)
Aug 31 22:28:42 <melmoth> do you have an url for the project i can have a look at ?
Aug 31 22:28:53 <lcuk> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/liqbase/
Aug 31 22:29:04 <melmoth> duh :)
Aug 31 22:29:07 <melmoth> i should have guess
Aug 31 22:30:17 <melmoth> bookmarked. Time to sleep now.
Aug 31 22:30:41 <lcuk> alrighty, dont get lost in your sleep
Aug 31 22:30:57 <moontiger> am i just having a bad day or is the maemo.org website really slow as well?
Aug 31 22:31:09 <GAN8001> It's always slow.
Aug 31 22:31:32 <moontiger> it really is a frustrating experience trying to write software for the nokia series
Aug 31 22:31:43 <moontiger> crap tools ... crap websites that dont work ...
Aug 31 22:31:49 <GAN8001> Sounds like a bad day
Aug 31 22:31:57 * moontiger rants
Aug 31 22:32:14 <lcuk> moontiger, crap tools? gcc works as expected on the nokia device
Aug 31 22:32:42 <moontiger> lcuk, you know im finally coming round to the idea of doing dev on the tablet
Aug 31 22:32:46 * GAN8001 sighs.
Aug 31 22:32:51 <moontiger> i didnt understand why people would at first
Aug 31 22:32:51 <GAN8001> I really wish I had this connector.
Aug 31 22:32:55 <moontiger> but now i get it
Aug 31 22:33:01 <moontiger> the tools are absolute crap
Aug 31 22:33:04 <GAN8001> Cross compilation sucks
Aug 31 22:33:06 <GAN8001> Period.
Aug 31 22:33:11 <GAN8001> Scratchbox 2 is better, though.
Aug 31 22:33:17 <moontiger> sbox SUCKS
Aug 31 22:33:19 <lcuk> moontiger, for me, it is simplicity, it does not solve every problem, but it is simpler in my own mind
Aug 31 22:34:00 <lcuk> moontiger, cross compilation is always hard, i now have liqbase and i want to compile for maemo AND for x86 at the same time and its a challenge
Aug 31 22:34:03 <moontiger> i run af-init blah blah and i get the text scroll up saying "desktop running" but nothing shows up in xephyr
Aug 31 22:34:24 <moontiger> uninstall sbox
Aug 31 22:34:27 <moontiger> start again
Aug 31 22:34:34 <lcuk> xephyr is a foolish thing, just compile, copy, execute directly on your tablet
Aug 31 22:34:35 <moontiger> and people wonder why MS did so well?
Aug 31 22:34:44 <GAN8001> What lcuk says.
Aug 31 22:34:54 <GAN8001> Because they have less shitty tools?
Aug 31 22:34:56 <GAN8001> Hardly.
Aug 31 22:35:20 <lcuk> no GAN800 microsoft have decent tools as long as you stay on the rails
Aug 31 22:35:27 <lcuk> and want to work slowly
Aug 31 22:35:39 <moontiger> MS have great tools and mostly great docs
Aug 31 22:35:51 <moontiger> so even tho they have a shitty OS they get load sof apps for it
Aug 31 22:35:53 <lcuk> well - .net isnt so hot on the docs side
Aug 31 22:35:58 <moontiger> cos developing for it actually works
Aug 31 22:36:06 * lcuk laughed out loud
Aug 31 22:36:06 <moontiger> *mostly*
Aug 31 22:36:21 <moontiger> ok ok ok ... MS HAD great tools
Aug 31 22:36:29 <moontiger> vs2008 is crap too
Aug 31 22:36:35 <derf> As long as you didn't ever want to use any libraries not provided by MS.
Aug 31 22:36:35 <lcuk> :) agreed 100%
Aug 31 22:37:20 <derf> And didn't mind that half the API MS does provide does things it's not documented to do, or doesn't do things it is documented to do, or simply fails to work for odd reasons.
Aug 31 22:37:29 <lcuk> since coming to linux i am shocked by how far from "standard" code microsoft has gotten, having to use specific microsoft libraries for things which already work nicely on multiple operating systems
Aug 31 22:37:40 <derf> I find it truly amazing that any Windows software gets written at all.
Aug 31 22:37:55 <lcuk> its because ms software is available
Aug 31 22:37:57 <moontiger> well clearly you are missing something there derf
Aug 31 22:38:08 <moontiger> cos a whole crap load gets written all the time
Aug 31 22:38:20 <moontiger> simply because the tool chain is there and works
Aug 31 22:38:40 <derf> I hate to break it to you, but that is in no way the reason.
Aug 31 22:38:44 <moontiger> even coding for smartfones and pdas works
Aug 31 22:38:46 <GAN800> our toolchain is immature.
Aug 31 22:38:59 <moontiger> derf ... then what is?
Aug 31 22:39:02 <lcuk> and activex talks to all the main apps in windows - its fairly simply to mashup something
Aug 31 22:39:09 <GAN800> Mobile Linux is only really a recent phenomenon.
Aug 31 22:39:27 <GAN800> WTF is a 'fone'?
Aug 31 22:39:27 <moontiger> GAN800, my issue is with nokia
Aug 31 22:39:29 <derf> In the beginning there was no competition, and the tools were given away for free.
Aug 31 22:39:33 <lcuk> moontiger, not very well - i hated that i could not get near the metal with .shit compact, it ran too slowly when i KNEW it could go faster
Aug 31 22:39:35 <derf> It didn't matter how much they sucked.
Aug 31 22:39:45 <lcuk> hence me getting this n810 and making it do what I want
Aug 31 22:39:49 <derf> After that, there was a whole lot of money involved.
Aug 31 22:40:13 <moontiger> derf, granted to some extent ... but the tools are superior
Aug 31 22:40:17 <derf> I could've been paid a whole lot to put up with MS crap all day long, but after trying it out for a while, I decided this was not how I wanted to develop software.
Aug 31 22:40:26 <moontiger> me either
Aug 31 22:40:32 <moontiger> but the tools are better is all im saying
Aug 31 22:40:39 <derf> I'm saying you're wrong.
Aug 31 22:40:43 <moontiger> and the docs are better (except .NOT)
Aug 31 22:40:50 <moontiger> hmmmmmmmmmm really
Aug 31 22:41:02 <moontiger> so whats the equiv of vs6 on linux?
Aug 31 22:41:17 <derf> The docs may be much more extensive... when they are not completely wrong. They are also often totally useless unless you already know what you're looking for.
Aug 31 22:41:26 <lcuk> derf, i think moontiger means better as in streamlined, linux toolchain is better because it works on more systems
Aug 31 22:41:29 <moontiger> thats the case with all docs
Aug 31 22:41:57 <lcuk> its easy for someone to install visual studio x edition, and click the play button
Aug 31 22:42:19 <lcuk> in linux, the toolchain config and preparation work involves understanding a whole lot more (which isnt a bad thing)
Aug 31 22:42:40 <lcuk> so people coming from windows pull their hair out for a while until they "get it "
Aug 31 22:42:41 <dtatulea> hi
Aug 31 22:42:47 <derf> Well, in Linux, your distro will usually come with the whole toolchain installed.
Aug 31 22:43:01 <moontiger> lcuk, i agree and i think ive made it over the hair pulling stage
Aug 31 22:43:04 <lcuk> yes, but hidden away inside multiple levels of archaic incantations
Aug 31 22:43:16 <lcuk> windows users fear the console
Aug 31 22:43:25 * lcuk still has nightmares
Aug 31 22:43:33 <moontiger> what i find really annoying is companies like nokia releasing a product and not having supporting docs and tools available
Aug 31 22:43:42 <lcuk> moontiger, they HAVE though
Aug 31 22:43:51 <GAN8001> That was part of the point, though.
Aug 31 22:43:52 <glass> moontiger: nokia is not so bad in that regard
Aug 31 22:43:53 <dtatulea> Somehow I managed to get my internal mem card to mount as read-only (n810). I can't unmount it (it's being used by something else). Any suggestions please?
Aug 31 22:43:53 <moontiger> lcuk, they dont work
Aug 31 22:43:54 <derf> lcuk: You have to learn plenty of archaic crap to develop for Windows, it's just different archaic crap.
Aug 31 22:43:58 <glass> moontiger: compared to others
Aug 31 22:44:02 <lcuk> i was under the impression scratchbox itself is partially supported/sponsored by nokia
Aug 31 22:44:04 <GAN8001> They're not Apple, they didn't want to release a 100% polished product
Aug 31 22:44:08 <derf> Like dealing with the 18 versions of libc MS has (all incompatible).
Aug 31 22:44:13 <GAN8001> They wanted to involve the community in making an awesome product.
Aug 31 22:44:24 <GAN8001> dtatulea, it's corrupt.
Aug 31 22:44:25 <glass> GAN8001: apple doesn't relase 100% polished products....
Aug 31 22:44:32 <lcuk> derf, agreed - but you only find that stuff out after you have deployed for the first time
Aug 31 22:44:35 <moontiger> GAN800, thats great but they should .... you know ... SUPPORT the community too no?
Aug 31 22:44:36 <GAN8001> glass, well, of course.
Aug 31 22:44:37 <dtatulea> GAN8001: really?
Aug 31 22:44:41 <GAN8001> But that's their GOAL
Aug 31 22:44:49 <derf> lcuk: I would also argue that that's bad.
Aug 31 22:45:01 <lcuk> yes derf, again agreed
Aug 31 22:45:13 <moontiger> GAN800, when they make an OPEN product they should make it OPEN
Aug 31 22:45:28 <moontiger> then they dont have to worry bout keeping tools up to date cos the community can do it
Aug 31 22:45:46 <moontiger> but when they keep stuff hidden and closed and STILL dont update stuff its really annoying
Aug 31 22:45:49 <GAN8001> The TOOLS are open.
Aug 31 22:45:54 <lcuk> moontiger, no amount of money will cure the toolchain flow overnight
Aug 31 22:45:59 <moontiger> right
Aug 31 22:46:06 <lcuk> however lots has been done over the last couple of years to get us to os2008
Aug 31 22:46:10 <moontiger> but sbox for example DOESNT work
Aug 31 22:46:14 <lcuk> it does
Aug 31 22:46:19 <moontiger> no it doesnt
Aug 31 22:46:25 <lcuk> what fails on yours now
Aug 31 22:46:27 <GAN8001> Lots of people use it without issue.
Aug 31 22:46:40 <moontiger> i get a crap looking emulator with no apps or stuff installed and a whole bunch of errors everytime i start anything
Aug 31 22:46:54 <pupnik> what emulator?
Aug 31 22:46:57 <lcuk> ok, compile for ARMEL and put it on your device
Aug 31 22:46:57 <moontiger> sbox
Aug 31 22:47:08 <pupnik> i'm like the pavolovian dog with that word.. :/
Aug 31 22:47:11 <pupnik> ok
Aug 31 22:47:13 <moontiger> but the point of sbox is to have a test env
Aug 31 22:47:25 <derf> Just because Nokia won't let you use the full NIT software environment in sbox is no reason to say sbox is crap.
Aug 31 22:47:29 <lcuk> sbox is the compilation environment, xephyr is the emulator.  do not use xephyr unless you have no device
Aug 31 22:47:46 <moontiger> or you're writing a home screen applet
Aug 31 22:47:52 <GAN8001> fwiw, there's work ongoing for full device emulation.
Aug 31 22:48:00 <robink> kulve: Is there an update of ogg-support for diablo in the works?
Aug 31 22:48:39 <moontiger> im just saying its annoying ... esp when having a bad dev day :|
Aug 31 22:49:07 <joshin> What do I add to the .desktop file to get an app to open in fullscreen?
Aug 31 22:49:34 <lcuk> joshin, an app you have written, or a custom app someone else wrote?
Aug 31 22:49:34 <moontiger> joshin ... look at the mediabox desktop file
Aug 31 22:50:06 <joshin> My own 'app' which is really a shell script that connects to and opens a VNC window.
Aug 31 22:50:08 <dtatulea> Okay, found the solution. Now I only have to umount the drive. It seems that it's being used. How can I diagnose who is using the drive? (no applications running)
Aug 31 22:50:10 <joshin> Will do moontiger
Aug 31 22:50:34 * sp3000 misses context, confuses moontiger for a dance
Aug 31 22:51:16 <moontiger> rofl
Aug 31 22:51:24 <joshin> heh
Aug 31 22:51:33 * moontiger mutters and grumbles and gets over herself
Aug 31 22:52:04 <pupnik> joshin: does the VNC client support a fullscreen command-line option?
Aug 31 22:52:13 <pupnik> if not, you're prolly out of luck, afaik
Aug 31 22:52:37 <sp3000> something like moonwalk except with pouncing, I imagin
Aug 31 22:52:39 <sp3000> e
Aug 31 22:53:07 <lcuk> and roaring
Aug 31 22:53:21 * moontiger pounces and walks backwards
Aug 31 22:53:25 <mikkov_> starting in fullscreen isn't .desktop issue, but application issue
Aug 31 22:53:27 <GAN8001> Bugs #3655 and #3655 can't possibly not be dupes, can they?
Aug 31 22:53:51 <lcuk> GAN800, without proper links i cannot tell, xchat wants to open chans with those idents
Aug 31 22:54:08 <sp3000> GAN8001: no, bugzilla won't let you do that :P
Aug 31 22:54:21 <pupnik> hope next tablet has somewhat faster wlan
Aug 31 22:54:31 <GAN8001> sp3000, we've done that one too many times now. . . .
Aug 31 22:54:35 <GAN8001> #3656
Aug 31 22:55:10 <GAN8001> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3656 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3655
Aug 31 22:55:12 <GAN8001> lcuk ^ :P
Aug 31 22:55:20 <GAN8001> I could go for a bugbot
Aug 31 22:55:23 <pupnik> or maybe 'wireless usb'
Aug 31 22:55:29 * sp3000 gets linkification on 'bug nnn'
Aug 31 22:55:35 <lcuk> can we teach the bot to automatically do that for hashed numbers?
Aug 31 22:55:36 * sp3000 insults clients that don't do that
Aug 31 22:55:43 * sp3000 would mind a bugbot either though
Aug 31 22:55:52 <GAN8001> I was testing one for a while, then he filed up my drive with 100GB of logs in about 24 hours.
Aug 31 22:56:04 <GAN8001> lcuk, there's mozbot and a supybot plugin
Aug 31 22:56:09 <lcuk> you arent meant to log the whole of freenode
Aug 31 22:56:12 <GAN8001> Somebody besides me needs to set it up, though.
Aug 31 22:56:31 <lcuk> whos the owner of our bot
Aug 31 22:56:36 <lcuk> ~lart botwranglers
Aug 31 22:56:37 * infobot pries botwranglers's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to botwranglers
Aug 31 22:56:40 <lcuk> infobot..
Aug 31 22:56:43 <GAN8001> TimRiker
Aug 31 22:56:49 <GAN8001> infobot is in a bunch of channels
Aug 31 22:56:55 <GAN8001> We'd need a maemo-exclussive bot.
Aug 31 22:56:57 <lcuk> ahhh k
Aug 31 22:57:05 <GAN8001> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:maemo.org_IRC_feeds
Aug 31 22:57:07 <sp3000> http://www.psychoticwolf.net/projects/firebot/ is the one running in moznet/firefox and others in those parts
Aug 31 22:57:11 <lcuk> like hijacking marius's
Aug 31 22:57:11 <GAN8001> If somebody wants to pick it up. . . .
Aug 31 22:59:01 * lcuk ducks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZsyKq77_5s
Aug 31 22:59:51 <sp3000> truth in advertising
Aug 31 23:03:00 * GAN8001 hopes we get some leaked N900 spyshots soon.
Aug 31 23:03:41 <lcuk> GAN800, how do we know its gonna be an n900
Aug 31 23:03:55 <lcuk> we have already seen spy shots of the nokia tablet thingy havent we
Aug 31 23:04:11 <GAN8001> Er, which?
Aug 31 23:04:19 <GAN8001> Oh, that Tube BS?
Aug 31 23:04:38 <GAN8001> Or do you mean the N810 shots from July 2007? :P
Aug 31 23:04:59 <glass> tube? the symbian touch thing?
Aug 31 23:05:13 <glass> not much to do with maemo?
Aug 31 23:05:25 <GAN8001> I dunno what lcuk's on about.
Aug 31 23:06:13 <MakeGho> next year's april fool's: nokia internet tablets switching to symbian
Aug 31 23:06:28 <GAN8001> I'd die
Aug 31 23:06:31 <GAN8001> or make somebody else die.
Aug 31 23:08:23 <lcuk> yes, the tube thing but now i look more closely ill shut up :)
Aug 31 23:13:46 <mavhc> at least symbian can multitask
Aug 31 23:14:03 <lcuk> does nokia not multitask?
Aug 31 23:14:16 * lcuk is sure he can listen to music whilst sshing and running liqbase
Aug 31 23:15:16 <GAN8001> A helluva lot better than Symbian can multitask
Aug 31 23:15:22 <GAN8001> I'm not sure what we're comparing to here, though.
Aug 31 23:22:04 <ShadowJK> the s40 "nokia os" vs s60 symbian?
Aug 31 23:26:02 <GAN8001> That really doesn't make sense in the context of the discussion.
Aug 31 23:26:55 <ShadowJK> yeah
Aug 31 23:27:07 <ShadowJK> "at least symbian can multitask", wtf?
Aug 31 23:27:15 <ShadowJK> compared to what
Aug 31 23:47:58 <GAN8001> Always defeated by lack of tools
Aug 31 23:48:01 <GAN8001> First thing when I get a house
Aug 31 23:48:08 <GAN8001> Fill a giant workshop with lots and lots of tools.
Aug 31 23:57:25 <fUD> Hi
Aug 31 23:57:49 <fUD> Im getting an invalid wep key length when trying to connect to my macbook which has internet sharing
Aug 31 23:58:51 <GAN8001> Are you confusing ASCII and HEX?
Aug 31 23:59:22 <fUD> Well I have a text key
Aug 31 23:59:28 <fUD> Should I be doing something with that key?
Aug 31 23:59:31 <GAN8001> OS X will show you a plaintext key
Aug 31 23:59:35 <GAN8001> but it's actually HEX
Aug 31 23:59:41 <fUD> Oh right
Aug 31 23:59:45 <fUD> How can I convert it :)
Aug 31 23:59:48 <GAN8001> So you need to enter the hex version on the tablet.
Aug 31 23:59:54 <GAN8001> It should do it for you, actually,
Sep 01 00:00:01 <GAN8001> Or maybe the Airport setup does that.
Sep 01 00:00:10 <fUD> k - let me see
Sep 01 00:00:13 <lcuk> i entered the wep key for mine in plaintext
Sep 01 00:00:38 <GAN8001> lcuk, you don't have a Mac
Sep 01 00:00:41 <lcuk> but depending upon which setting you have it must be a 5 or 13 charater key
Sep 01 00:00:48 <GAN8001> Your input isn't relevant to this situation. :P
Sep 01 00:00:59 <lcuk> we are talking about the tablet
Sep 01 00:01:18 <GAN8001> Nah, this is an OS X issue.
Sep 01 00:01:20 <fUD> Hmm its tiger - I dont see that anywhere
Sep 01 00:01:31 <lcuk> if theres a nonstandard router thats not doing things to spec take the faulty hardware back :)
Sep 01 00:01:40 <fUD> :P
Sep 01 00:01:55 <GAN8001> It's a convenience thing.
Sep 01 00:02:12 <GAN8001> Apple just lets you enter a HEX key as a plaintext string.
Sep 01 00:02:33 <GAN8001> Easier to remember.
Sep 01 00:02:35 <lcuk> gan, thats cos hex is a subset of plaintext :)
Sep 01 00:03:17 <fUD> How annoying :)
Sep 01 00:03:19 <GAN8001> You may be missing what's happening
Sep 01 00:03:30 <GAN8001> You give OS X an easy-to-remember string (say,
Sep 01 00:03:35 <GAN8001> "password")
Sep 01 00:03:42 <GAN8001> It converts it to HEX for use internally
Sep 01 00:04:00 <GAN8001> Then on your other OS X machines you can enter the key as "password"
Sep 01 00:04:06 <GAN8001> But the tablet doesn't do the conversion
Sep 01 00:05:10 <fUD> http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/5026
Sep 01 00:06:28 <fUD> That produces a key too long
Sep 01 00:06:31 <fUD> *sigh*
Sep 01 00:06:50 <lcuk> gan, thats standard - i enter keys on tablet in plaintext
Sep 01 00:07:03 <lcuk> but i know it also has a hex counterpart
Sep 01 00:07:57 <fUD> how can I get the plain text into hex I can type in..
Sep 01 00:09:06 <lcuk> i really dont think you need to, but try this page http://www.csgnetwork.com/wepgeneratorcalc.html
Sep 01 00:10:01 <lcuk> http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-154097.html
Sep 01 00:10:40 <fUD> Let me try
Sep 01 00:12:15 <fUD> Hmmzzz
Sep 01 00:12:24 <fUD> Keep getting invalid key length
Sep 01 00:14:32 <lcuk> ok, do you know the original passphrase you entered on your router
Sep 01 00:14:39 <fUD> I do
Sep 01 00:14:52 <lcuk> how is the router configured
Sep 01 00:15:00 <lcuk> open/shared etc
Sep 01 00:15:02 <fUD> Its the macbook pro with internet sharing
Sep 01 00:15:40 <lcuk> similar in principle to me with windows xp and internet sharing
Sep 01 00:15:53 <fUD> Dang - I got a meeting
Sep 01 00:15:54 <fUD> bbl
Sep 01 01:33:29 <brontide> fUD: IIRC the OSX dhcp server is not liked by the nokia dhcp client... I would search on that first
Sep 01 01:34:59 <brontide> Khertan: you awake... was wondering why Py2deb has a changelog item when generate seems to have it's own that ignores the one set in the class?
Sep 01 01:36:07 <brontide> Khertan: also added icon support for Py2deb all 10 lines (including comments)
Sep 01 02:18:53 <RST38h> back
Sep 01 02:22:24 <robink> RST38h: Hello.
Sep 01 02:23:52 <brontide> wiki's out again?
Sep 01 02:25:49 <GAN8001> Man, I fail so hard at serial stuff. . . .
Sep 01 02:26:01 <GAN8001> At least I'm getting output that's timed like boot output
Sep 01 02:26:09 <GAN8001> but it's all garbage characters.
Sep 01 02:26:19 <GAN8001> Working here, brontide,
Sep 01 02:26:23 <GAN8001> Reload.
Sep 01 02:26:59 <brontide> shift reload finally got it
Sep 01 02:27:09 <brontide> when is the new hardware coming?
Sep 01 02:27:58 <Mikho> boom, ubuntu upgrade killed my os again
Sep 01 02:29:05 <Mikho> the installation paused to ask me if I want to save /etc/ntp or sth file, but there was no way to input the answer, as the computer was frozen
Sep 01 02:30:32 <GAN8001> brontide, Nokia does not announce future hardware plans.
Sep 01 02:30:40 <GAN8001> But I am playing with an OMAP3530. . . .
Sep 01 02:30:52 <RST38h> but we already know it will be omap3
Sep 01 02:31:57 <GAN8001> All of the @nokia commits to the linux-omap git kinda give it away. ;)
Sep 01 02:34:20 <brontide> GAN8001: I think you misunderstood, when will the new server be in place already?
Sep 01 02:34:26 <GAN8001> Oh
Sep 01 02:34:27 <GAN8001> Ha
Sep 01 02:34:37 <GAN8001> Well, I was under the impression that it was going to be last Monday.
Sep 01 02:34:43 <GAN8001> But, uh, I guess that was incorrect.
Sep 01 02:34:50 <GAN8001> Soon, I suppose
Sep 01 02:34:55 <GAN8001> As the 100 days are almost up.
Sep 01 02:35:04 <brontide> Does this make any sense I don't see an error https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/dialcentral_0.8.0-3/
Sep 01 02:35:30 <GAN8001> Bad build-deps
Sep 01 02:36:22 <brontide> same as always....   Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5)
Sep 01 02:37:03 * GAN8001 is not familiar enough with the autobuilder to be more accurate or specific.
Sep 01 02:38:07 <brontide> The only major change was adding the icon... I'll double check it's the right syntax
Sep 01 02:45:53 <GAN8001> brontide, the other answer could, of course, just be autobuilder instability.
Sep 01 02:48:47 <brontide> in that case do I just resubmit after incrementing the build
Sep 01 02:49:03 <GAN8001> Yeah, that'd be one option.
Sep 01 02:53:06 <sin18> does anyone know when libxpm4 would be available for diablo (i cannot install dosbox on nokia n800 without this library)
Sep 01 02:55:37 <GAN8001> These don't work? . . . http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/libx/libxpm/
Sep 01 02:55:41 <Mek> it is available... (altough it might be in extras or extras-devel... not sure about that)
Sep 01 02:58:50 <sin18> i was looking up on http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html (dosbox link) but i 'll try from repository
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