**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 01 02:59:56 2008 Sep 01 03:06:14 GAN8001 , Mek : even from the repository it gives the same error "unable to install libxpm4 incompatible application package" Sep 01 03:08:51 apt-get Sep 01 03:08:58 or dpkg -i Sep 01 03:14:57 anyone seen anything about replacing or expanding the internal memory in the n810? >_> Sep 01 03:15:27 goodluckwiththat Sep 01 03:15:42 You'd need equipment, skills and the source to a replacement chip Sep 01 03:15:45 notgonnahappen Sep 01 03:15:57 lol Sep 01 03:16:25 yeah, but some people are remarkably dedicated Sep 01 03:17:41 last I checked those dedicated people are probably working on newer hardware :-P Sep 01 03:24:08 hello Sep 01 03:24:50 GAN8001 : while Application Manager didnt allow me to install it ... dpkg -i worked ... thanks. Sep 01 03:29:55 brontide: k Sep 01 03:30:40 becomeroot is the new package right? Sep 01 03:31:09 No Sep 01 03:31:11 ~rootsh Sep 01 03:31:15 from memory, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ Sep 01 03:31:26 The one in Extras. Sep 01 03:32:09 CMake Error at kdecore/kconfig_compiler/CMakeLists.txt:11 (kde4_add_executable): Sep 01 03:32:18 damn, stupid middle-click :P Sep 01 03:35:19 robink: not really. The metalayer crawler doesn't find oggs anymore :/ Sep 01 03:44:48 jott: yo? Sep 01 03:45:38 bah, the latest qt packages in extras-devel still don't have ssl support :( Sep 01 03:46:28 andre____, "Maemo.org" ?! Sep 01 03:46:33 For shame! For shame! Sep 01 03:49:04 Also, andre____, why haven't you installed Advanced Backlight yet, hmmm? Sep 01 03:51:56 lol ga Sep 01 03:52:12 See the guilt! https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=914&action=view Sep 01 03:55:13 lol so many brightness and volume icons... like a whole 2. wtf :P Sep 01 03:55:52 grumble grumble grumble... is there any way to find out more information as to why the build failed Sep 01 03:56:02 Not really. :\ Sep 01 03:56:14 Um, I'd poke -developers, maybe Sep 01 03:56:23 Ed Bartosh is the man you're after Sep 01 03:56:30 Normally X-Fade's about to prod at it Sep 01 03:56:38 but he's not back until the 6th. Sep 01 04:01:10 brontide: I think "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 43: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value)" is your problem... Sep 01 04:04:27 Mek: thanks! Sep 01 04:04:34 .me goes lookin Sep 01 04:07:26 Hmmm... there is no line 43, and the previous block is the icon... which according to the wiki is formatted correctly.... Sep 01 04:08:21 brontide, take out the icon and try again :) Sep 01 04:08:21 I think there is a trailing space on line 43 Sep 01 04:09:41 kulve: Even with the lightmediascanner-ogg module installed? Sep 01 04:09:49 (and removing that trailing space makes dpkg-checkbuilddeps no longer complain) Sep 01 04:10:10 [0:-1] to the rescue Sep 01 04:10:19 kulve: It's missing from diablo-extras. Sep 01 04:11:10 robink: metalayercrawler and lightmediascanner-ogg are two separate things Sep 01 04:11:40 and lightmediascanner-ogg is provided by the canola team, not me.. Sep 01 04:11:41 kulve: Oh! I didn't even know about metacrawler. Sep 01 04:11:52 lightmediascanner is used only by canola Sep 01 04:12:00 kulve: Gotcha. Sep 01 04:12:44 Well, I guess I can wait for support in Diablo-extras. Sep 01 04:13:12 are you using canola or the built-in player? Sep 01 04:13:53 kulve: Builtin, I believe (I thought that was Canola) Sep 01 04:14:50 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/ Sep 01 04:14:57 there's screenshot about canola Sep 01 04:15:10 ja I don't know how to get oggs played with the built-in player Sep 01 04:15:17 s,ja,and, Sep 01 04:18:12 I can play oggs, just not index them. Sep 01 04:18:51 * brontide needs sleep... made the change and forgot to save it Sep 01 04:18:55 yeah, that's the problem. In chinook tha indexing worked, but not in diablo anymore Sep 01 04:18:55 doh Sep 01 04:24:10 All hail Mek Sep 01 04:24:51 what is the difference between ruby1.8 and ruby1.8-maemo and where i can find the latter ? it doesnt seem to be in repository Sep 01 04:28:52 Canola2 doesn't seem to index Ogg files. Sep 01 04:33:19 I guess I have to wait for lightmediascanner-ogg support in Diablo again... Sep 01 04:34:11 Or does Canola2 use metacrawler? Sep 01 04:35:25 Sorry, metalayercrawler. Sep 01 04:37:31 Looks like lightmediascanner... Sep 01 05:52:44 Hey could this run on a nokia n800 -- http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile Sep 01 05:53:05 emma: I think in theory, yes. Can't recall if there was a project for that Sep 01 05:53:40 There's the same problems that any non-Nokia port would have, of course. Sep 01 05:53:47 but is that ubuntu mid not the same type of thing as maemo? Sep 01 05:54:09 Not really. But of course in some sense it kind of is. Sep 01 06:02:45 ubuntu mobile is for x86 Sep 01 06:02:54 Clutter is accelerated. Sep 01 06:03:13 They all use Hildon. Sep 01 06:05:03 GAN800: yes, yes, what? Sep 01 06:12:23 Huh? Sep 01 06:22:30 is there a way to sync a folder over bluetooth with maemo? gsync doenst accept this kind of connection Sep 01 06:44:06 emma: ubuntu can run on n800 but the armel port isn't complete so it's not that fun to play with Sep 01 06:47:26 what's armel? Sep 01 06:47:34 is that the onscreen keyboard? Sep 01 06:47:46 the debian name for the cpu + abi used by nokia tablets since 2006 Sep 01 06:48:08 but you could probably read about it in wikipedia Sep 01 07:51:51 hi5 Sep 01 08:27:29 Morning, all Sep 01 08:31:53 morning Sep 01 09:05:03 hello :) Sep 01 09:05:06 :D Sep 01 09:09:15 anyone found a way to switch between 12 and 24 hour formatting? :-/ Sep 01 09:18:13 hi all, does any one know a usb/bluetooth UMTS Devices for the N810? Sep 01 09:20:21 i did found this devices: http://www.naviman24.de/E-PlusBASE-UMTS-USB-Stick-E169__i_010B-PE-SM.html but dont know who it works with maeomo Sep 01 09:20:40 s/maeomo/maemo/ Sep 01 09:20:41 LuCk1 meant: i did found this devices: http://www.naviman24.de/E-PlusBASE-UMTS-USB-Stick-E169__i_010B-PE-SM.html but dont know who it works with maemo Sep 01 09:23:20 * aquatix plays it safe and just hooks up his phone with his n810 over bluetooth Sep 01 09:24:33 LuCk1, I never heard of any device that worked, never looked at those devices though. But do a background check first, does it work on Linux ? If it does, there might be a way to implement it (especially if it runs on Debian :D) Sep 01 09:29:04 crashanddie: i did found a german blog post which says it works on xandroas(debian) :-) http://www.einfach-eee.de/tutorials/linux/umts-mit-usb-modem-von-base-e-plus/ Sep 01 09:30:37 aquatix: are there big umts performance differences between the different devices? Sep 01 09:31:08 crashanddie: hey, the osso-xterm code has code that calls the browser with a url internally without a script. just thought it would be useful :) Sep 01 09:31:18 using dbus Sep 01 09:31:55 oh, does it? Sep 01 09:32:14 thanks Q, I'll look into it Sep 01 09:32:19 np :) Sep 01 09:32:35 * qwerty12 was looking at the code to bring back some functions they removed >.< Sep 01 09:33:04 korgoth, you need to change LC_CTIME for that. Sep 01 09:33:27 korgoth, that is, change it in one of the local files, no UI control for that. Sep 01 09:34:23 bleh, LC_TIME of course Sep 01 09:35:32 tnx yacoob, ill give it a try :-) Sep 01 09:35:36 and the file is /etc/osso-af-init/locale Sep 01 09:36:03 "suggested" value is LC_TIME=fi_FI - that also affects date settings. Sep 01 09:36:10 but you might want to experiment with that Sep 01 09:36:34 http://www.vinc17.org/maemo/index.en.html has a nice idea how to choose the best Sep 01 09:49:35 * Jaffa spams the front page of the wiki with election stuff Sep 01 11:38:34 some knows cool themes for os2008? Sep 01 11:41:29 can i use a external SD card, which is longer then a normal one, without closeing the slot? Sep 01 11:41:38 to "fake" the closed slot Sep 01 11:42:05 not sure, i think closing the slot triggers an event Sep 01 11:42:54 yes it does, but you can trigger things mechanicaly or manuel to kernel like "echo "1" /proc/what/ever Sep 01 11:43:06 > Sep 01 11:43:26 yeah. you could modify the ke-recv source to not listen to the slot closed event Sep 01 11:44:19 or shove a matchstick in so it still gets it Sep 01 11:45:33 crashanddie, i replaced my menus :) Sep 01 11:56:04 would anyone have any idea where to start looking for bug when my program aborts with malloc memory corruption upon performing: _eventbuffer = new EventBuffer(); Sep 01 11:56:31 Is prompt a command that is internal to bash? Sep 01 11:56:39 it doesn't even get to the constructor... Sep 01 11:58:31 mikho, generally malloc fails cos it has no memory Sep 01 11:58:39 check you have enough ram to do what you wanna do Sep 01 11:59:17 shouldnt it throw an exception or something? Sep 01 12:00:10 i dunno, what does the code do - and is it using c syntax malloc internally to the constructor? Sep 01 12:00:33 check the code inside the constructor(s) and see which are doing what Sep 01 12:00:40 oh... it got fixed when i did a make clean before compiling Sep 01 12:00:51 I wonder what the problem was Sep 01 12:02:09 you changed things in different source files and the size of the structs changed Sep 01 12:02:19 your makerules arent adapting to changes in headers Sep 01 12:02:33 so, why didnt it detect the change and recompile? Sep 01 12:02:40 it has adapted so far Sep 01 12:02:46 (though its more finicky to setup like that, for small projects if you change the size of memory structures do a make clean Sep 01 12:03:12 I wonder if it just compares file sizes when searching for changes... Sep 01 12:03:27 i dont know your makefile layout, but most just check for the source file related to the .o file, but thats not containing all places where that data is used Sep 01 12:03:39 hmm Sep 01 12:03:41 no, its date based usually Sep 01 12:03:57 this is somewhat weird Sep 01 12:04:21 you can build your makefile so that changes in a header file can cause recompilation of all related source files Sep 01 12:04:41 but its not as simple to do because you need to know the dependency chain Sep 01 12:04:55 I'm using autotools, and usually it compiles nearly everything again when I change the header files Sep 01 12:05:22 hmm... how does it find out the dependencies? Sep 01 12:05:24 then go and look at your make rules Sep 01 12:05:54 it doesnt automatically, there might be a command to find it, but i dont see it as worth it for most projects Sep 01 12:06:04 I see Sep 01 12:06:21 ive just got into the habit of doing a make clean when i change the members of a structure Sep 01 12:06:36 oh well, it works for now. I'll just have to remember to make clean whenever I get weird errors Sep 01 12:06:47 heh yer Sep 01 12:06:48 thanks for advice Sep 01 12:07:09 np Sep 01 12:08:13 lcuk, just got called up, they're arranging an interview with project lead in London this week, if I pass this one, I have an interview with company hot-shot next week Sep 01 12:08:32 \o/ w0000tness Sep 01 12:09:09 dont tell him about your cheese fascination Sep 01 12:09:13 you dont want to put them off Sep 01 12:10:09 "Why didn't you get the job" "I like sausages" "Well, that's not a problem, I love sausages too" "Oh really, do you wanna come by and have a look at my collection?" Sep 01 12:10:21 heh lol Sep 01 12:10:32 have you seen my shineny menus yet? Sep 01 12:10:39 nay Sep 01 12:10:43 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc Sep 01 12:10:48 haha Sep 01 12:11:17 oh wow Sep 01 12:11:35 oh you cock, I love it Sep 01 12:12:11 heheh ;) now, you see the tiny nobble on the top right of each menu item? Sep 01 12:13:11 yeh Sep 01 12:13:59 well that opens up the sketch editor :) set to context for the specific menu item Sep 01 12:14:12 ooooh Sep 01 12:14:15 nice Sep 01 12:16:27 yer, im starting to feel a bit more confident about the tiles and how they need to be used - but now things ive been planning are certainly coming into place Sep 01 12:17:28 good Sep 01 12:18:07 <3 Test Area Sep 01 12:18:24 heh aquatix :) it changes daily Sep 01 12:18:45 but i wont say all the things that have been in there ;) Sep 01 12:19:15 :) Sep 01 12:19:29 well, i love that dragging-around of images in that movie Sep 01 12:19:53 lcuk: can i download a new version somewhere? Sep 01 12:19:56 it annoyed me because theres about 5 images which are massive (sat images) Sep 01 12:20:03 ah Sep 01 12:20:19 no sorry aquatix you will have to wait Sep 01 12:20:24 lcuk, is that a demo of anything specific, or just interface ideas? Sep 01 12:20:29 "And you will have to talk to people: clean up your language; let's talk about perimeter defence. Don't use any IT language. At all. The word firewall becomes a swearword. *I know you hate these soul-less bastards, they don't like you very much either*" Sep 01 12:20:30 lcuk: kk Sep 01 12:20:52 crashanddie: ? :) Sep 01 12:20:58 if it's the latter, I have an idea of a feature. "Lassoing" few items might be useful. Sep 01 12:21:12 lcuk: just wondering whether i could mess about with your eyecandy app :) Sep 01 12:21:25 yacoob, ive had to start from scratch with things, but now i have a fast book reader and the core bits for building an interface i can finally build a file selection/listview thingy and actually get a proper book reader out of the way Sep 01 12:22:53 lcuk: in the end i see you writing your own books, so you have something to read :> Sep 01 12:22:59 yacoob, anything is quite possible with it - the physics thing will most likely end up as a dynamic tagcloud for instance Sep 01 12:23:09 nahhh jott Sep 01 12:23:14 lcuk, TRAITOR Sep 01 12:23:19 tagcloud is my thing Sep 01 12:23:24 you don't touch it, bitch Sep 01 12:23:26 :D Sep 01 12:23:44 physics view is already in the existing released version :) Sep 01 12:23:51 it just did it for sketches Sep 01 12:23:59 and its not in the youtube video Sep 01 12:24:21 and crashanddie the tags im talking about will be for localised content Sep 01 12:24:31 not xml stuff from a website :P Sep 01 12:24:33 lcuk, don't worry, I'm just kidding :) Sep 01 12:24:37 unless of course its from liqserver... Sep 01 12:25:08 lcuk, I might have a small module that creates a list of tags based on recurrent words in .txt files :P Sep 01 12:25:11 * lcuk . o O ( today maemo, tomorrow, the world! ) Sep 01 12:25:30 i'm still waiting for the announcement of liqbacon. Sep 01 12:25:59 crash, ive got alist tree which does something out-fudging-standing which you lot havent seen yet (cos i couldnt build a ui for it) Sep 01 12:26:04 :D:D:D liqbacon Sep 01 12:26:20 * lcuk puts it in Sep 01 12:26:46 actually, I'm pretty sure I could build an electronic device to cook bacon Sep 01 12:26:52 *keyword spotted* bacon? where? Sep 01 12:26:59 what should it do? be like the "i am rich" but show a rasher and call it "i am hungry" Sep 01 12:27:24 this is actually a pretty awesome idea guys Sep 01 12:27:40 :D Sep 01 12:27:49 best bacon source>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/bacon Sep 01 12:27:55 have device emit a small radius but strong EMP pulse. Boils water, cooks bacon. Sep 01 12:28:04 thermal camera, electric heater, and then build some mechanical thing to turn it over Sep 01 12:28:04 we had some lovely thick cut bacon yesterday Sep 01 12:28:12 lcuk: something like flashing "bring me bacon" "i am hungry" so you could use it in a restaurant. Sep 01 12:28:25 just hold up your tablet and get some bacon then ;) Sep 01 12:28:43 :D heh jott, we could use it in berlin :D Sep 01 12:28:46 and have a button "Yes sir" on it Sep 01 12:28:49 excellent ill get on with that tonight ;) Sep 01 12:29:01 if no one hits the button for 30s, start playing the sound of a pig Sep 01 12:29:19 jott, do you think the projector can project the smell of cooking bacon? Sep 01 12:29:35 I'm leaving now Sep 01 12:29:42 lcuk: we might have to cheat a bit and bring some real bacon with us ;> Sep 01 12:29:49 I'm getting depressed each time I hear the word berlin these days Sep 01 12:29:51 actually, wheres lardman, he normally pings with his bacon keyword Sep 01 12:30:09 "lard" is a synonym for bacon, right ? Sep 01 12:30:11 lcuk: probably already gone out to get some bacon ;) Sep 01 12:30:19 customs: "excuse me sir, have you got any weapons, bombs, or bacon?" Sep 01 12:30:47 im gonna go and have a cig (no, im not making smoked bacon) Sep 01 12:30:55 ill see you lot later on :) Sep 01 13:29:13 who's Michael Arrington ? Sep 01 13:29:18 http://www.tablet-guru.com/2008/07/21/michael-arrington-wants-an-internet-tablet/ Sep 01 13:32:29 heh Sep 01 13:34:04 ? Sep 01 13:35:31 Italodance: funny story Sep 01 13:35:51 plz tell me? :) ? Sep 01 13:36:09 Italodance: quite interesting that those people all yell `that's a cool idea', but don't know about the NIT's Sep 01 13:36:16 well, that link you posted Sep 01 13:36:40 hehe Sep 01 13:36:52 btw is there a screenshot for NuvoClear2 theme? Sep 01 13:38:33 IT hasn't no more theme :( Sep 01 13:41:47 Italodance: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166480&postcount=401 ? Sep 01 13:42:19 lcuk, fyi, the door close event is magnetic, so a matchstick wont do anything. Sep 01 13:42:58 tnx Sep 01 13:44:37 * aquatix should create a nice wallpaper Sep 01 13:50:49 lack of contrast between the icons and the wallpaper though Sep 01 13:53:41 MangoFusion: myeah, but that depends on the wallpaper Sep 01 13:54:09 but the icons in the top row lack contrast indeed Sep 01 13:54:17 default theme is better in that regard Sep 01 13:54:52 aquatix: What city is it? Sep 01 13:55:02 RST38h: the link says monaco Sep 01 13:55:23 RST38h: i only found this post with google myself, so i don't know any details either :) Sep 01 13:56:17 ah Sep 01 13:58:39 ...a recent move in the UK has council's relying on info from "Citizen Snoopers" to report the transgressions of their neighbors... Sep 01 13:58:42 lovely Sep 01 13:59:33 why is UK so preoccupied with surveillance anyway? too much crime? Sep 01 13:59:48 Because the UK sucks ass. :P Sep 01 14:00:36 well, that's granted, but really, from the common sense point of view? Sep 01 14:01:15 Same reason the US is obssessed with its security theater? Sep 01 14:01:26 Most people are just plain stupid. Sep 01 14:05:35 no,no, I can tell with 100% precision why us is obsessed with security theater Sep 01 14:05:43 RST38h: heh... this sounds like a historic news from the GDR ;) Sep 01 14:05:59 RST38h: UK is obsessed because they want to be good buddies with US? Sep 01 14:06:14 That's because the whole hierarchy of officials have to report up the chain what they are doing to "insure security of the homeland" Sep 01 14:06:36 And if they don't report, they get their asses whipped. It is exactly the same as in old good USSR Sep 01 14:06:38 . o O {Wasn't that done in the USSR too?} Sep 01 14:06:46 lol Sep 01 14:07:03 RST38h: i was typing too slowly :) Sep 01 14:07:09 In a perverted sense, this actually helps on security. Sep 01 14:07:17 aquatix: That is exactly why I recognize it Sep 01 14:07:30 Because as long as people stay frightened, the terrorists doesn't have to actually do anything. Sep 01 14:07:31 Veggen: yeah, but i don't think it helps society in general Sep 01 14:07:38 Veggen: heh, yeah Sep 01 14:07:46 They just have to show that they still are willing to do it. Sep 01 14:07:50 terrorise your own country, put the terrorists out of a job Sep 01 14:08:05 Veggen: It does not, really - does not target real problems and screws with people's brains indirectly leading to panic Sep 01 14:08:43 But with UK surveillance I do not understand at all. It does not seem to be related to terrorism threat. It does not seem to be made on US' request. Sep 01 14:08:46 RST38h: well, yes. But it makes real terrorism unnecessary :) Sep 01 14:09:07 It probably does not give those idiots in the office much to report up, because it is just more of the same thing Sep 01 14:09:42 RST38h: well...maybe the officials are out of "good measures" to improve security, but have to show they are doing *something*? Sep 01 14:10:16 Veggen: Hey, security or not, absolutely nothing beats unplanned demolition of a few skyscrapers in the middle of a workday Sep 01 14:10:49 Veggen: Yes, but they are doing the same thing - you can't successfully report doing the same thing every months Sep 01 14:11:11 Veggen: 'cause your bosses will consider it "lack of progress" Sep 01 14:11:13 RST38h: well. Face it, the real goal of terrorists is not to kill everyone. it's to make everyone afraid that they're gonna get killed. Sep 01 14:11:22 yeah Sep 01 14:11:31 Veggen: Stupid terrorists Sep 01 14:11:52 They do not yet understand the beauty of the KILL ALL PEOPLE idea! =) Sep 01 14:12:03 not all Sep 01 14:12:06 kill most Sep 01 14:12:12 Well. I happen to think that the war on terrorism in its current form can *never* be won. Sep 01 14:12:12 hm Sep 01 14:12:18 killing most is segregation. Sep 01 14:12:22 but kill all is more beautiful indeed Sep 01 14:12:26 back to scratch Sep 01 14:12:30 The only way to win it, is to take away their recruitment. Sep 01 14:12:38 Veggen: There is no war on terorirms Sep 01 14:12:48 `There is no war' Sep 01 14:12:49 Veggen: it is an oxymoron Sep 01 14:12:54 RST38h: of course. Sep 01 14:12:55 Oh, there is plenty of wars Sep 01 14:12:57 * aquatix looks at his spoon Sep 01 14:13:33 And how to take away recruitment? Give people an alternative to being terrorists. Sep 01 14:14:02 Veggen: just kill off more people. Sep 01 14:14:05 give them ticking handgrenades? Sep 01 14:14:29 None of this will help. but you already know that. Sep 01 14:14:30 Actually, you want to give recruiters an alternative Sep 01 14:14:39 Not the recruited Sep 01 14:14:51 What *would* help, is if Israel would stop already to build more settlements, for example. Sep 01 14:15:33 Yes, I do sympathize with israelians that just want peace too, but they can not expect it before they stop provoking the arab world. Sep 01 14:15:42 And Israel *is* a large part of it. Sep 01 14:15:52 woo, Quim's back! Sep 01 14:15:58 Believe me, based on Chechen war, building less settlements WOULD NOT help Sep 01 14:16:35 RST38h: Currently, I think it would. But alas, I haven't studied politics. Sep 01 14:16:41 'cause it doesn't do anything to reduce the pool of jobless, angsty, palestinian youth Sep 01 14:16:41 dneary, too! Sep 01 14:16:55 RST38h: well, it's a good first step. Sep 01 14:17:39 Now, placing these guys into militarized units and shipping them to some far away country to battle whatever other freaks are there...it would do the job Sep 01 14:18:12 Alternatively, you can divide them into two camps, arm both, and let them kill each other. Sep 01 14:18:29 That is the British way Sep 01 14:19:00 *or* you can arm the baddest ones and let them kill the rest, while the rest will become guerillas (for a while, before extermination) Sep 01 14:19:05 That is the Russian way Sep 01 14:20:03 lardman, you gonna send in your nomination? Sep 01 14:20:33 GAN800: ? Sep 01 14:20:34 RST38h: Well. This became too much politics. But the only way to stop it in the long run in an acceptable way, *is* to take away motivation to be recruited as terrorists, and jobs, ecomony, less settlements etc. are all part of that. Sep 01 14:20:45 GAN800: Community council you mean? Sep 01 14:20:51 Yes Sep 01 14:21:07 Running out of time and we don't have many nominations. . . . Sep 01 14:21:15 yeah, I've been busy though, not sure that's quite what would be needed Sep 01 14:21:50 We've got an electionless council right now. :/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations Sep 01 14:21:59 say, is the security-code application opensource? Because the one i have here in chinook.. um.. sucks major in several points Sep 01 14:22:21 GAN800, that's optimal, right? :) Sep 01 14:22:44 sp3000, not if my picks aren't all on that list. :D Sep 01 14:24:10 when's the election anyway? Sep 01 14:24:24 2 days. . . . Sep 01 14:24:32 Until? Sep 01 14:24:33 * lardman has been somewhat preoccupied scouting out wedding venues Sep 01 14:24:38 Nominations close in about 36 hours. Sep 01 14:24:41 ok Sep 01 14:24:42 Oh. Sep 01 14:24:57 Has anyone got a way to read usenet news yet? Sep 01 14:25:15 lardman: oh noes, you're going to join *that* group? :) Sep 01 14:25:30 aquatix: yep :) Sep 01 14:25:31 jeward, I once compiled pan for maemo, but it was totally unusable Sep 01 14:25:32 * aquatix gives up lardman Sep 01 14:25:41 Busy indeed. . . . :p Sep 01 14:25:42 lardman: well, can't blame ya ;) Sep 01 14:25:47 inz: I've heard that. Sep 01 14:25:50 Veggen: Not gonna happen, alas Sep 01 14:25:58 well, once I've done that I should have some free time again Sep 01 14:26:03 inz: I don't evencare about offline ability. Sep 01 14:26:17 inz: Do you know how to read news with claws? Sep 01 14:26:24 jeward, nope, sorry Sep 01 14:26:40 lardman: Once you join *that* group, you will not have any free time Sep 01 14:26:43 sounds like cat territory Sep 01 14:26:53 RST38h: lol Sep 01 14:27:35 RST38h: unfortunately, I'm afraid you're right, thus the world has no chance to create peace in the middle east. Sep 01 14:27:42 jeward: just add a news server as news account? Sep 01 14:28:04 aquatix: Let me try that, one sec. Sep 01 14:29:28 because it's quite linked, all of this. And it's not at all difficult for terrorist groups to recruit people who have no life to speak of to lose anyways. Sep 01 14:30:59 jeward: otherwise, you might want to check Pan: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan Sep 01 14:31:03 crap Sep 01 14:31:08 jeward: disregard that Sep 01 14:31:16 that's not the pan i thought it was ;) Sep 01 14:31:17 aquatix: I already tried that. :) Sep 01 14:31:27 ah, k Sep 01 14:32:12 aquatix: I can'r figure out how to add an account other than pop3. Sep 01 14:32:29 jeward: sec, let me get my tablet Sep 01 14:32:32 aquatix: The add account dialogue is... not useful. Sep 01 14:33:39 jeward: click the Basic item there Sep 01 14:33:55 jeward: then choose News (nntp) for Protocol Sep 01 14:34:06 Oh, okay, thanks! Sep 01 14:34:12 !seen andre Sep 01 14:34:12 jeward: that dialogue is a tad weird, but the items are selectable :) Sep 01 14:34:23 could someone here please help me? Sep 01 14:34:24 if you know that, you can config everythnig Sep 01 14:34:28 ~seen andre____ Sep 01 14:34:38 gan: bug 3590, c2 Sep 01 14:34:40 andre____ was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 10h 37m 35s ago, saying: 'w'. Sep 01 14:34:44 i don't speak commenter's language Sep 01 14:34:53 is it possible to translate that into English? Sep 01 14:35:11 timeless: is it german? Sep 01 14:35:13 * aquatix looks Sep 01 14:35:25 i think it's chinese Sep 01 14:35:27 eh Sep 01 14:35:35 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3590 right? Sep 01 14:35:36 lol Sep 01 14:35:40 yes Sep 01 14:35:48 * aquatix only sees english comments Sep 01 14:35:50 aquatix: be careful, half the time i'm asking for help, there's a trap Sep 01 14:35:55 this is one of those cases Sep 01 14:36:04 c1 and c2 are *not* English Sep 01 14:36:08 @plenware is hilarious. I wonder if those guys are getting paid for that. Sep 01 14:36:09 a Sep 01 14:36:10 ah Sep 01 14:36:36 timeless: just read the file and close it, duh ;) Sep 01 14:36:39 (the other half of the time, my questions really are as simple to answer as they seem) Sep 01 14:36:46 aquatix: what file? Sep 01 14:36:56 err. timeless? i'm around it seems :-P Sep 01 14:36:58 a file Sep 01 14:37:39 andre__, "Maemo.org"?! Sep 01 14:37:55 timeless: maybe they mean that you should close file handles after using them? Sep 01 14:37:57 GAN800, context! we need context! :-P Sep 01 14:38:02 aquatix: Got it configured... any idea how o subscribe to a newsgroup... or browse available groups? Sep 01 14:38:17 jeward: maybe just browse them? Sep 01 14:38:22 Some Bugzilla comment you made. Sep 01 14:38:32 aquatix: I would if I could figure out how... Sep 01 14:38:33 jeward: i don't use claws-mail as nntp client myself and don't have internet atm Sep 01 14:38:36 oh Sep 01 14:38:39 sec Sep 01 14:39:04 GAN800, ah, "some". yeah, i remember. ;-) well, happens... Sep 01 14:39:49 Also, andre__, install this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ Sep 01 14:40:51 why? Sep 01 14:41:02 i don't care about 200 different optiond for backlight. i'm fine with it. Sep 01 14:41:17 To save statusbar space and because it's awesome. :P Sep 01 14:41:18 timeless, I didn't look at actual source for gnomevfs, but I think you need to fail harder if return value doesn't match EOF or OK. afterall, gnome-vfs-result.h also defines GNOME_VFS_ERROR_TOO_MANY_OPEN_FILES. Sep 01 14:41:39 Yes, but your statusbar is a little full. :p Sep 01 14:41:48 i got enough statusbar space for everybody. no, not really :) Sep 01 14:42:24 wnd: sadly my xref is down again Sep 01 14:42:27 OK, because it's opensource and Nokia's applets aren't. ;) Sep 01 14:42:33 GAN800: the major disadvantage to four of us standing is only one of us loses... Sep 01 14:42:55 GAN800, heh... i don't care that much about it :) Sep 01 14:43:27 OK, suit yourself, continue suffering with crappy statusbar applets. Sep 01 14:43:54 did *all* the nokia guys return on the same day? Sep 01 14:44:08 i was in italy for the middle of last week Sep 01 14:44:16 but most vacations end by a certain time Sep 01 14:44:31 my summer vacation will be in october, because i'm not a european Sep 01 14:44:35 timeless: Italy? Where? Sep 01 14:44:40 Torino Sep 01 14:44:55 (business trip, need to file expense claims...) Sep 01 14:45:00 ah. Hmm, that's one of the places I haven't been yet :) Sep 01 14:45:00 cool, just looks like when a closet couple return to work in a line trying not to look conspicuous Sep 01 14:45:05 summer vacation? what summer vacation? Sep 01 14:45:07 good trips? Sep 01 14:45:10 * aquatix looks overworked Sep 01 14:45:27 aquatix, how could you possibly be overworked ? Sep 01 14:45:29 aquatix: it's a hypothetical thing that i'll do in a month Sep 01 14:45:34 i haven't done it yet Sep 01 14:45:37 GAN800: Right, I've added some blurb ;) Sep 01 14:45:51 lcuk: well, al italia lost my luggage both ways Sep 01 14:45:52 timeless: I have two weeks scheduled vacation in october that's getting less and less possible, too. Sep 01 14:45:55 hi there lardster, i thought your alert would be binging earlier Sep 01 14:46:04 lcuk: Via Amsterdam? Sep 01 14:46:05 the first taxi driver demanded more cash than i had and wanted to hold me ransom Sep 01 14:46:08 timeless, omg, thats like everyone losing maemo.org ;) Sep 01 14:46:10 lardman, be sure to announce on -community, too. Sep 01 14:46:21 the atm i visited refused to extend me a line of credit for 70eur Sep 01 14:46:28 because i had maxed out my visa Sep 01 14:46:30 timeless, did you get it all back or is it still gone? Sep 01 14:46:31 GAN800: is that a ml? Sep 01 14:46:39 lardman, yeah Sep 01 14:46:39 lcuk: I think it's not Al Italia but the airport in Amsterdam. Because it's happened to Paris, too, via Amsterdam. Sep 01 14:46:40 * lardman feels slightly out of it atm Sep 01 14:46:48 crashanddie: thanks Sep 01 14:46:49 the finnish visa card has a phone number on the reverse which isn't open outside of business hours Sep 01 14:46:55 (eh, timeless) Sep 01 14:47:02 lardman, have a bacon butty :) Sep 01 14:47:06 heaven forbid you need to ask for help from your visa card issuer at night or on weekend Sep 01 14:47:06 s Sep 01 14:47:11 * Jaffa likes the fact that Thoughtfix is so optimistic that he thinks everyone at Nokia is so quiet cos they're working hard on something *amazing*. Now, I don't doubt that fremantle - when we see it - will be pretty damn cool compared with diablo, but a) it's holiday season; b) it ain't gonna cure world hunger Sep 01 14:47:14 crashanddie: shush ;) Sep 01 14:47:25 timeless: This summer, I got it back after only two days, though ;) Sep 01 14:47:26 crashanddie: let's pretend for a moment i'm working my ass off Sep 01 14:47:32 lardman: https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-communityhttps://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community Sep 01 14:47:38 lardman: and, just once, https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community Sep 01 14:47:43 jaffa, given enough pigs i could cure world hunger Sep 01 14:47:46 Jaffa: yep got it thanks Sep 01 14:47:52 lcuk: hear hear Sep 01 14:47:53 oh, and forget trying to speak English and knowing American sizes when you're in a hurry to buy pants in Italy Sep 01 14:47:54 (to a place a little into the italian alps) Sep 01 14:47:57 well, for certain groups anyway Sep 01 14:48:01 at least the service was friendly and they *tried* to help Sep 01 14:48:03 aquatix, ok, you have till 1600 GMT, after that you're doing nothing again, deal Sep 01 14:48:04 sadly, that didn't work Sep 01 14:48:05 ? Sep 01 14:48:19 (all i wanted was a pair of 32x34 kakis) Sep 01 14:48:23 crashanddie: that's in 2 hours? Sep 01 14:48:35 erm, 1 hour Sep 01 14:48:45 aquatix, 12 minutes Sep 01 14:48:47 timeless, with no money for a few more hours you would have lost weight and couldv got the cheaper smaller pants :) Sep 01 14:48:50 that list has been going for ages, first I've heard of it (and remembered anyway) Sep 01 14:48:51 mastercard were helping you Sep 01 14:48:51 veggen: hrm, yeah i lost my luggage in ams technically Sep 01 14:48:51 Anyone know how to read usenet news with claws? Sep 01 14:48:57 but i've flown through ams a bunch of times Sep 01 14:49:02 timeless: That happens a lot in Ams. Sep 01 14:49:02 (using klm) Sep 01 14:49:03 crashanddie: oh, i thought i was living at gmt+2 Sep 01 14:49:04 and forget it when you want to send a post card in Italy ;-) Sep 01 14:49:11 or does gmt have dst too :) Sep 01 14:49:14 i technically had no problem through amsterdam last time Sep 01 14:49:17 timeless: So I wouldn't blame Al Italia here, I think. Sep 01 14:49:17 i've also lost my luggage both ways flying through paris (de gaul) Sep 01 14:49:20 aquatix, of course we do :) Sep 01 14:49:20 (cdg) Sep 01 14:49:34 crashanddie: well, i'm confused with utc then :) Sep 01 14:49:44 lardman >> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc :) Sep 01 14:49:47 lardman, it was midgard2maemo Sep 01 14:49:48 aquatix, GMT = UTC + DST Sep 01 14:49:50 * lcuk goes again Sep 01 14:49:56 crashanddie: i see :) Sep 01 14:49:58 GAN800: ah, ok Sep 01 14:50:00 timeless: Actually, my track-record through Ams is about 50/50 :) Sep 01 14:50:09 crashanddie: well, as government worker, i agree with the deal ;) Sep 01 14:50:15 veggen: ok... Sep 01 14:50:21 timeless: Half the plane-trips, it goes ok, half it gets delayed. Sep 01 14:50:24 * aquatix never flies *through* ams, but from and to Sep 01 14:50:27 maybe i should keep score Sep 01 14:50:37 aquatix: speaking of to/from Sep 01 14:50:39 timeless: but I haven't travelled *that* may times through Ams. Sep 01 14:50:46 lol @ bellicose comments to bug #2878 Sep 01 14:50:50 the baggage delivery guy here in HEL remembered me from the last time he delivered a bag Sep 01 14:50:57 timeless: lol Sep 01 14:51:00 i told him i'm flying next weekend... Sep 01 14:51:04 aquatix, "My dad's the fastest man in the world, he's an F1 driver, he finishes work at 4 and he's home at 4:10" "Well my Daddy's the fastest dad in the world, he finishes work at 6 and he's home at 4. He works in public service" Sep 01 14:51:15 so we'll see eachother shortly after :) he suggested an apt Sep 01 14:51:23 crashanddie: ghehehe Sep 01 14:51:32 lol Sep 01 14:52:57 lardman: bellicose? Sep 01 14:53:18 anyway, back to watching hope keynotes Sep 01 14:53:36 The GPS and the OGG bug really bring out the disgruntled customers. Sep 01 14:53:41 talking about lawsuits, etc Sep 01 14:54:02 Must be from the US. Sep 01 14:54:07 :) Sep 01 14:54:23 s/customers/idiots/ Sep 01 14:54:24 GAN800 meant: The GPS and the OGG bug really bring out the disgruntled idiots. Sep 01 14:54:47 derf: I was back to making some progress on Tremor, been slightly busy for the past few weeks though Sep 01 14:55:03 lardman: Is that why progress is past-tense? Sep 01 14:55:08 derf: converted to built-in malloc, need to debug the byte reading code though Sep 01 14:55:26 derf: well it's stalled temporarily, again, but I do have a second wind Sep 01 14:55:33 I've been making some progress on the QR-code stuff. Sep 01 14:55:38 cool Sep 01 14:55:51 aquatix: lardman was showing off his vocabulary Sep 01 14:56:04 I can now successfully detect lots of codes that both the Java package and zxing cannot. Sep 01 14:56:17 qr? Sep 01 14:56:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code Sep 01 14:56:35 timeless, aquatix, I did have to check if it had double-L though ;) Sep 01 14:56:50 derf: nice :) Sep 01 14:56:50 timeless: oh, it's a word :) i thought it was a nick Sep 01 14:56:56 lardman: :) Sep 01 14:57:18 All I need to do is figure out the most efficient way to search for the alignment patterns, and the rest should be easy. Sep 01 14:57:31 famous last words ;) Sep 01 14:57:52 I already did the hard work of fixing the RS decoder. Sep 01 14:58:17 I need to look at the pdf code, but it's not going to happen before Berlin that's for use Sep 01 14:58:22 hey cabthe vncviewer for maemo connect to any kind of vnc server? Can't get it to connect to my uvnc server Sep 01 14:58:22 s/use/sure Sep 01 14:58:30 just align the warp deflector with the force field and everything should be set Sep 01 14:58:34 Damn. I've been rickrolled by my own itunes. Sep 01 14:58:39 yacoob: lol Sep 01 15:01:17 yacoob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2b1D5w82yU ? Sep 01 15:01:26 not clicking! Sep 01 15:01:47 aww, cmon. It's a top secret video of iTunes on maemo. yes. Sep 01 15:02:40 no i lie. it is in fact accelerated opengl running on an IT Sep 01 15:03:10 seriously Sep 01 15:03:10 Nice, katix-efis already connects to x-plane Sep 01 15:03:12 >:) Sep 01 15:03:47 why am I watching Rick Astley? Sep 01 15:04:42 ah, I now understand what rickrolling is Sep 01 15:05:11 is it rick astley. or is it rick astley running on an IT? Sep 01 15:05:16 bwhahaha Sep 01 15:07:00 * lardman crosses MangoFusion off the "feed the world with bacon sandwiches" list ;p Sep 01 15:09:51 * timeless sighs Sep 01 15:09:57 the agps bug is kinda interesting Sep 01 15:10:02 if i wanted to learn all about agps Sep 01 15:10:29 I think it just comes down to poor sensitivity of the chipset, or some firmware issues, neither of which we can fix Sep 01 15:10:47 i don't think i'm allowed to think :) Sep 01 15:10:54 would be good to see some more debugging output from the chipset to work out what's going on though Sep 01 15:10:59 timeless: :) Sep 01 15:16:24 andre__: omigosh Sep 01 15:16:26 that's a lot of votes Sep 01 15:16:38 note to self: do not touch bug :) Sep 01 15:18:06 timeless, currently having private mail getting people into publicly commenting on the plans... sigh Sep 01 15:18:23 in case you get sucked into the impending lawsuit hey? ;) Sep 01 15:19:12 andre__: you mean Nokia *don't* lurge from one bug ridden feature to another?! It's planned that way? ;-) Sep 01 15:19:35 * Not suggesting all features are buggy, just some people are disgruntled Sep 01 15:19:36 haha Sep 01 15:20:02 reminds me of the "do it, if YOU want to get sued" answer i received one week ago :) Sep 01 15:20:55 Do it! It's not everyday you get the opportunity to be sued. ;) Sep 01 15:21:23 hmm... in the past i prefered to have it the other way round... Sep 01 15:23:54 lardman, a much better youtube link :) not that astley bloke :) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc and fyi, i am having a "i am hungry" module inside liqbase :) Sep 01 15:24:58 lcuk: nice Sep 01 15:25:26 indeedy, physics works with image scaling :D Sep 01 15:25:47 * lcuk thought he would need the IVA for that Sep 01 15:25:48 now just a few gestures to stack things hey? ;) Sep 01 15:26:14 ha, no i dont need to actually use that one for anything other than testing if things work Sep 01 15:26:18 this yours too? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mWViPc17rnA&feature=related Sep 01 15:26:22 :D Sep 01 15:26:44 probably not overly related then Sep 01 15:27:46 * lardman doesn't know for sure that lcuk doesn't have a Lamborghini of course Sep 01 15:27:48 lol no - but eldest was so carried away yesterday by a chain of sports cars he rode into the side of a moving car! thankfully hes ok but its his warning for concentrating on his bike Sep 01 15:28:20 :) Sep 01 15:28:27 (the driver had seen him and was stopping so it was more like hitting a wall for luke) Sep 01 15:28:52 I'm offski, see you chaps tomorrow Sep 01 15:28:55 couldv been so much worse thou Sep 01 15:29:00 alrighty, cya later lardman Sep 01 15:29:08 yeah, if he was going slightly quicker - nasty Sep 01 15:30:29 * johnx plays with alternate panel layouts in debian/n8x0 Sep 01 15:34:40 ~lart spammers for spamming my cell phone Sep 01 15:34:40 * infobot forces spammers to use Outlook Express for spamming my cell phone Sep 01 15:36:33 from bad to perverse Sep 01 15:36:54 but, that'll teach them! :) Sep 01 15:37:19 yeah, nothing like having my phone vibrate in the middle of the night and wake me up only to find spam Sep 01 15:39:26 agh, sqlalchemy is murdering me with this auto-correlation thing Sep 01 15:39:40 * sp3000 flails about helplessly Sep 01 15:41:46 oh, oops, I win Sep 01 15:42:09 tres excellent Sep 01 15:42:46 congratulations! what did you win? Sep 01 15:43:02 a working query Sep 01 15:44:28 or, a subquery that doesn't explode in a poof of confusion trying to correlate to the enclosing query that ...uh, has both participants doing ...something ..there already Sep 01 15:44:55 that doesn't sound as good as winning the lottery Sep 01 15:44:57 I think I'll pass Sep 01 15:45:51 it's a kind of monkey-typewriter-shakespeare moment really Sep 01 15:46:05 since I havent' really quite figured it out :P Sep 01 15:46:41 I have those except it's monkey-keyboard-shatner Sep 01 15:47:19 gan: i'm pretty sure i have the opportunity to be sued daily Sep 01 15:47:22 or at least weekly Sep 01 15:47:59 ah, the famous "cake or lawsuit?" question on fridays? Sep 01 15:50:03 Yeah, well, that's you. The rest of us poor schmucks have to make due wih what we can get. ;) Sep 01 15:53:13 hi all Sep 01 15:55:03 I couldn't stay away Sep 01 15:55:20 oh, heh, turns out I didn't win yet, I was looking at the wrong thing :D Sep 01 15:55:41 luckily the same principle applied Sep 01 15:57:05 timeless: this is generalizing filter ui to all reports and letting you switch between reports/lists while keeping your query Sep 01 15:57:18 yum Sep 01 16:12:10 I really can't see what's wrong with the mono stream in dsp-sbc Sep 01 16:12:36 ah, unless I multiply the stream size by 2 without checking, hmm Sep 01 16:15:58 hmm, doesn't look like it Sep 01 16:16:25 Do it right, lardman|home. :P Sep 01 16:16:42 I did, still not sure what's wrong with it Sep 01 16:17:20 lardman|home: meanwhile, give people who complain of this program a copy of sox :P Sep 01 16:17:28 s/program/problem/ Sep 01 16:17:28 qwerty12 meant: lardman|home: meanwhile, give people who complain of this problem a copy of sox :P Sep 01 16:17:50 qwerty12: yeah :) Sep 01 16:17:59 qwerty12: would be good to fix it though Sep 01 16:18:09 milhouse, ping. Sep 01 16:18:19 lardman|home: yeah :) Sep 01 16:20:08 Hi ! Sep 01 16:22:04 hmm, bet it was a #pragma MUST_ITERATE(1) Sep 01 16:22:09 * qwerty12 takes the time to learn ssh-agent :/ Sep 01 16:23:17 nope, that pragma should be fine. Drat! Sep 01 16:26:25 Abiword is really nunstable Sep 01 16:26:25 s/nunstable/unstable Sep 01 16:28:24 Yeah, it's pretty beta. Sep 01 16:44:19 infobot, seen megabyte405 Sep 01 16:44:27 !seen megabyte405 Sep 01 16:44:32 * Jaffa gives up Sep 01 16:44:34 ~seen megabyte405 Sep 01 16:44:47 megabyte405 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 48d 21h 9m 38s ago, saying: ':D I lack actual maemo programming experience, I just use and package'. Sep 01 16:44:49 megabyte405 was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 48d 21h 9m 39s ago, saying: ':D I lack actual maemo programming experience, I just use and package'. Sep 01 16:47:54 <_berto_> vagalume 0.7 is out, guys -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2008/09/01/vagalume-07-released/ Sep 01 16:48:33 _berto_: nice, thanks! Sep 01 16:48:53 <_berto_> i'm going to have a drink :) see you later Sep 01 16:53:45 qwerty12: ta Sep 01 16:54:58 can we call it "pulling a nokia" when someone releases software, then runs away? :D Sep 01 16:55:15 * konttori is just looking at hum-gtk Sep 01 16:55:16 http://code.google.com/p/hum-gtk/ Sep 01 16:55:21 thanks for the release _berto_ :) Sep 01 16:55:30 johnx: what do you call it when i write a package once, and then my server runs away? :) Sep 01 16:55:32 * Stskeeps stretches Sep 01 16:55:40 The code is amazingly simple as it's using tracker as the backend: http://hum-gtk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ Sep 01 16:56:06 just simply awesome to look at (recommended to take a peek at the code niceness) Sep 01 16:56:46 timeless, hmm...maybe your server pulled a nokia on you? Sep 01 16:57:02 * Stskeeps ponders what to work on tonight Sep 01 16:57:47 decision is made ... i keep a gtk ui for mCalendar Sep 01 16:58:05 qwerty's N800 uptime is the best :> : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/N800_Uptime.htm Sep 01 16:58:30 qwerty12: hehe, you reflash a lot? ;) Sep 01 16:58:41 any recommendations for an irc client for diablo (repository only show available for os2006, os2007) Sep 01 16:58:52 Stskeeps: So far I've survived but usually yes :D Sep 01 16:58:52 sin18: epic running on a server Sep 01 16:58:56 in a screen session Sep 01 16:58:59 sin18: X-chat, it's in diablo extras-devel Sep 01 16:59:01 using ssh from xterm on your n810 Sep 01 16:59:07 sin18: x-chat Sep 01 16:59:14 but i don t like it Sep 01 16:59:31 maybe i should do my own in python :) Sep 01 16:59:35 Thanks. Sep 01 17:02:49 * Khertan_n810 hate sourceforge Sep 01 17:08:08 * konttori just published blog entry on the hum-gtk goodness: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ Sep 01 17:09:04 * qwerty12 compiles a proper cron daemon >.< Sep 01 17:09:26 qwerty12, look in mud builder :) Sep 01 17:09:43 mud build cron Sep 01 17:09:54 johnx: Thanks :). The one I've got at the moment isn't doing wonders for me >.< Sep 01 17:10:17 I haven't used it recently, but if the one in mud doesn't work I'll take a look at it again Sep 01 17:13:42 Well, it downloaded but it chose to build a source package instead :). I'll dpkg-source it and dpkg-buildpackage :) Sep 01 17:14:10 hmm? Sep 01 17:14:17 I'll have to test it I guess... Sep 01 17:14:40 qwerty12: mud should build both source & binary packages. Sep 01 17:15:31 Jaffa: I only got the source package, maybe something on my end is messed up. No problems though, brilliantly easy for me either way :) Sep 01 17:16:04 it's also possible that one or more of my hacks has an adverse effect in diablo... Sep 01 17:16:39 qwerty12: it's also possible that the build failed - I'm not entirely convinced at the moment that there aren't edge cases Sep 01 17:17:01 Suffice to say, I've got 2 weeks to fix such issues and write a presentation and demo for the summi Sep 01 17:17:03 +t Sep 01 17:18:37 :) Sep 01 17:19:24 i ve two week to finish mContacts, release a first version, release and finish the new version of mCalendar Sep 01 17:19:34 write presentation Sep 01 17:19:47 and maybe a new version of pygtkeditor Sep 01 17:19:51 Thanks for the cron and mud-builder johnx and Jaffa. Bye. Sep 01 17:19:59 write a presentation for py2deb Sep 01 17:20:05 for the summit :) Sep 01 17:20:22 bbl Sep 01 17:21:21 Khertan_n810: heh, I'm not going to offer to swap ;-) Sep 01 17:21:46 and also if i found time made a small explanation on how to write a applet in python with a prefs dialog Sep 01 17:21:47 :) Sep 01 17:23:01 You guys are not going to belave this I'm at a subway and they set the password on there wireless internet the same as the networks name lol Sep 01 17:23:34 AFBN810, is it even supposed to be a public network? Sep 01 17:24:07 if it was public why would it be locked Sep 01 17:25:07 network name and pre-share key are subway4788 Sep 01 17:25:27 classic ! Sep 01 17:25:32 I'm going to start trying this more often Sep 01 17:26:00 so you live in usa ? Sep 01 17:26:07 yeah Sep 01 17:26:21 why is subway usa only? Sep 01 17:26:27 :) centurytel was bought by verizon Sep 01 17:26:27 :) Sep 01 17:26:38 and is usa only Sep 01 17:27:02 they don t have network else where Sep 01 17:27:57 not sure prised this is a centrytel network they are big around here Sep 01 17:28:51 didn't know verison had them now was that reveny? Sep 01 17:29:05 recent Sep 01 17:29:18 in fact i m wrong ... centurytel bought a part of verizon Sep 01 17:29:21 :) Sep 01 17:29:26 lol Sep 01 17:29:40 2000 - 2002 Sep 01 17:29:47 ahh ok Sep 01 17:29:47 verizon the landline company, not verizon the cell phone company though Sep 01 17:30:24 cool Sep 01 17:31:21 I should go check some more subways to see if they are all setup this was lol Sep 01 17:32:15 hey khertan_n810 how is ncontacts coming btw? Sep 01 17:33:00 mcontacts ... it should be ready for the summit Sep 01 17:33:00 at least the first beta version Sep 01 17:35:01 but be carefull with open ap, in Paris some do this to get login and password from stupid user which don t use secure protocol Sep 01 17:35:21 what about those of us with wives that wont let use go to sumit? Sep 01 17:35:42 it ll be available for all of course Sep 01 17:36:01 AFBN810, tell your wife you are going on a hunting trip Sep 01 17:36:11 but change your wife :) i go to the summit Sep 01 17:36:18 or staying at a friends house Sep 01 17:36:34 lol Sep 01 17:37:22 mcontacts will be available one day before in the extras devel repository, as i ll not be able to push it to repository when i ll be at berlin Sep 01 17:37:31 roaming data is too high Sep 01 17:37:42 cool Sep 01 17:37:47 Khertan_n810: no wifi? Sep 01 17:38:07 aquatix: i don t like use unknow ap Sep 01 17:38:14 did you find some better icons then I used Sep 01 17:38:29 Khertan_n810, setup a vpn tunnel to your home machine Sep 01 17:38:45 Khertan_n810: fair enough; you could use a vpn tunnel or something though Sep 01 17:38:45 oh sorry, your home machine is n810 Sep 01 17:38:51 lol Sep 01 17:38:57 AFBN810: not sure yet, i ll work on it in a few hours when i ll be at home Sep 01 17:39:05 or at least ssl over http and such :) Sep 01 17:39:06 cool Sep 01 17:39:19 aquatix: ssl isn't secure Sep 01 17:39:22 Khertan_n810, when you are at the summit itself surely you could slurp from someones internet Sep 01 17:39:35 Khertan_n810: it is when you check the certificates Sep 01 17:39:37 * lcuk wonders what the S is for Sep 01 17:39:53 lcuk: session ;) Sep 01 17:40:02 hey got a question while I'm here I got a uvnc server on my windows desktop will the vnc viewer maemo not work with it Sep 01 17:40:52 AFBN810, i dont know about a specific extension to vnc, but standard vnc works a treat Sep 01 17:40:58 lol aquarius- Sep 01 17:41:04 lol aquatix Sep 01 17:41:18 back after t Sep 01 19:06:18 I have a nokia 770. I installed IT2007 hacker edition on it and it works great most of the time... just a big sluggish. My biggest complaint is how often it seems to sometimes randomly reboot more often than not white some program is starting. Is This a common problem and should I downgrade? Sep 01 19:06:49 is there an it2008he? Sep 01 19:06:53 Do you have swap enabled? Sep 01 19:06:57 OS2008HE exists. Sep 01 19:07:06 But it's a touch more unstable than OS2007HE Sep 01 19:07:14 ic Sep 01 19:07:23 More feature-full and useful, but slower and less stable. Sep 01 19:07:30 Integrated circuit? Sep 01 19:07:37 I want speed and stability Sep 01 19:07:52 integrated circuit ? Sep 01 19:08:26 The speed and stability is probably best found with OS2006 Sep 01 19:08:41 But, uh, the 770 kinda sucks in general. Sep 01 19:08:57 If you REALLY want speed and stability, pick up a used N800. Sep 01 19:08:58 'i see' Sep 01 19:09:06 yeah but I got it for 70 bucks on ebay... really nice pdf reader :) Sep 01 19:09:08 but please don't write two letter abbreviations Sep 01 19:09:10 it really isn't worth it Sep 01 19:09:33 if you want speed, you could consider buying a cheap n800 Sep 01 19:09:36 it's faster :) Sep 01 19:09:39 and has more ram :) Sep 01 19:09:50 how much are they going for these days Sep 01 19:10:41 ~$150 Sep 01 19:10:54 not bad Sep 01 19:10:56 It's worlds better than the 770. Sep 01 19:11:22 I'll look into it... thanks for the advice :) Sep 01 19:11:55 hello all. I have got a question. Does Nokia Travel Charger AC-4, which came with Nokia N810 Internet Tablet, support 220V/50Hz or only 110V/60Hz. Will it work in Russia (220V/50Hz) If I buy in USA? Thanx in advance Sep 01 19:12:43 supports both Sep 01 19:12:54 will work in Russia. Sep 01 19:12:54 yes, it's dual-mode Sep 01 19:13:08 in fact, I have AC-4e here in Poland Sep 01 19:13:14 RST38h,AStorm thank you Sep 01 19:14:07 I am waiting my N810 from States... Thrilling Sep 01 19:14:21 hung_andrew: obviously you might need a plug converter but besides that it should be fine Sep 01 19:14:30 also ac-4 are dead cheap Sep 01 19:14:46 yeah. I see Sep 01 19:17:01 yeah, the chargers work fine Sep 01 19:17:17 i've used old nokia chargers from the us here in europe w/o issue Sep 01 19:18:41 anybody interested in browsers, but not an expert? Google made a comic about Google Chrome / Webkit and why they think it's rawsome. http://blogoscoped.com.nyud.net/google-chrome/ Sep 01 19:18:53 rawrsome Sep 01 19:19:19 pupnik: i think most of us could read /. Sep 01 19:19:19 i thought it was pretty keen Sep 01 19:19:25 this is also rawrsome if you like the mythbusters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKK933KK6Gg Sep 01 19:19:29 can anyone suggest a good vnc server for windows Sep 01 19:19:47 lol Sep 01 19:19:54 web apps fail when the server or connection fails Sep 01 19:19:57 still far too often Sep 01 19:20:13 my computer fails when my computer fails too Sep 01 19:20:46 hehe Sep 01 19:20:52 but connection is lost too often Sep 01 19:21:08 if my internet connection fails I have little use for my browser Sep 01 19:21:21 I guess I can log into my router and keep hitting refresh Sep 01 19:22:35 google reader might be nice for a while if you had a backlog. so would google docs with a local cache Sep 01 19:23:28 so would looking into a more stable net connection Sep 01 19:23:33 maybe some redundancy Sep 01 19:23:50 Proteous, think cell phone connection + train + tunnel :) Sep 01 19:24:22 redundancy at 90km/h that fits in my backpack sounds expensive :) Sep 01 19:24:26 johnx: how difficult would it be to adapt a2dp scripts to deblet btw? Sep 01 19:24:26 heh Sep 01 19:24:43 Stskeeps, they're totally not necessary for the most part Sep 01 19:25:11 johnx: Long wire that you lasso onto a tree before entering the tunnel! Sep 01 19:25:25 RST38h, I'll let you try that first O_o Sep 01 19:25:30 does linux have a problem with folder lengths and filenames (like old 8.3) ? Sep 01 19:25:52 no Sep 01 19:25:54 lcuk: hell no Sep 01 19:26:04 isn't there a PATHLEN or something? Sep 01 19:26:16 probably is, but thats not the same thing Sep 01 19:26:27 thanks though Sep 01 19:26:29 and I think you can't have a / in the name Sep 01 19:26:38 pathlen is the entire longest path - you could still break that with 8.3 Sep 01 19:27:08 4096 characters is a lot Sep 01 19:27:10 :> Sep 01 19:27:15 im actually building with preferences and knowledge of files :) Sep 01 19:29:52 hmm, google building a browser around webkit, called chrome. whats the chance of fremantle microb going webkit? Sep 01 19:30:25 any belgians around -- who know a good way to get mobile broadband on an n800? Sep 01 19:33:05 t_s_o, MicroB == Gecko Sep 01 19:33:25 A "MicroB" WebKit is something that can't exist. Sep 01 19:33:44 ah, i figured that microb was both the ui and the gecko engine combined Sep 01 19:34:00 and that the ui was flexible enough to have engine swapped Sep 01 19:34:03 Nope, just the engine. Sep 01 19:34:12 Though most everybody calls the whole thing MicroB. Sep 01 19:34:25 at least that was the impression i got when i toyed around with the gecko engine on my 770 Sep 01 19:34:31 EAL (Engine Abstraction Layer) Sep 01 19:34:38 ah Sep 01 19:34:48 it'd be nice to have webkit browser. Sep 01 19:34:54 on the tablet, I mean. Sep 01 19:35:08 Epiphany WebKit is available Sep 01 19:35:11 But the UI sucks. Sep 01 19:35:24 midori is a lot faster anyways Sep 01 19:35:34 ...that's why I said that it would be nice to have webkit *browser* :D Sep 01 19:35:36 t_s_o, the whole thing is actually tablet-browser. Sep 01 19:35:44 Well, Mozilla-based browser for Maemo Sep 01 19:35:51 tablet-browser-ui Sep 01 19:36:51 someone should update bundyo's midori hildonisation patch to the latest head Sep 01 19:36:54 webkit does exist internally as a backend Sep 01 19:37:03 it doesn't actually have anything impressive Sep 01 19:37:07 it's not really worth it Sep 01 19:37:18 and do note that webkit doesn't itself include crypto or various other critical ui elements Sep 01 19:37:23 so it's not actually "useful" Sep 01 19:37:32 you need to *build* a full browser aroudn it Sep 01 19:37:33 well that clears up a lot Sep 01 19:37:42 webkit is a lot closer to gtkhtml than it is to a web browser Sep 01 19:37:43 I want a real UI for MicroB. Sep 01 19:37:46 but everyone forgets that Sep 01 19:37:49 gan: no comment :) Sep 01 19:37:55 but w/ that, we're starving Sep 01 19:37:57 alter :) Sep 01 19:38:22 Actually, I could just go for an open source UI for MicroB. Sep 01 19:38:27 Then the community can run with it. Sep 01 19:38:32 what i would like is a way to pick individual images to load while the browser is in "show only loaded images" mode Sep 01 19:38:54 thats a good one GAN8001 Sep 01 19:39:38 pong Sep 01 19:41:25 milhouse, might you consider nominating yourself for community council candidacy? Sep 01 19:41:39 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/community_council_election.html Sep 01 19:41:55 midori on debian: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/new-screenie2.png Sep 01 19:42:00 i considered it, but don't think i'm the right person for the job - i've now got only a passing interest in this project i'm afraid Sep 01 19:42:07 :( Sep 01 19:42:45 webkit, because firefox just works on too many websites to be cool Sep 01 19:42:57 GAN: I know it's a lame excuse, but to be honest this project is nothing but aggro Sep 01 19:43:00 Burned out on it, have you? :P Sep 01 19:43:03 johnx: which environment is that? looks cool :) Sep 01 19:43:29 qwerty12_N800, that's lxde with openbox set for no decorations, maximize by default Sep 01 19:43:44 looks good, thanks :) Sep 01 19:43:53 GAN: Pretty much, my enthusiasm has been crushed under the weight of bureaucracy and finnish corporate politics Sep 01 19:44:12 Anyone notice that the n800 doesn't fully function with FON access points? Either the ip phone works, or the browser, but not both Sep 01 19:44:21 qwerty12_N800, poke at me if you want the settings files. I'm calling it "under construction" for now... Sep 01 19:44:46 unixSnob: disable the wifi power saving on the n800 Sep 01 19:45:06 qwerty12_N800: i'll have that a shot.. thanks Sep 01 19:45:09 johnx: thanks, will do when I reinstall debian Sep 01 19:45:27 qwerty12_N800, the big red x is for closing the active window, BTW Sep 01 19:45:58 unixSnob, your router has broken wifi PSM Sep 01 19:46:02 Not the tablet's fault. Sep 01 19:46:21 johnx: cool, i'm clumsy when it comes to my tablet, may have to resize :) Sep 01 19:47:04 unixSnob: yeah, dell laptops have the same problem with fon Sep 01 19:47:13 GAN8001: other devices don't seem to have a problem with the router... although the n800 doesn't seem to ahve a problem w/ other APs. BTW, what's a PSM? Sep 01 19:47:33 so that's the reason FON managed to sell routers for $5, they were crap Sep 01 19:47:55 WiFi PSM -> WiFi Power Save Mode Sep 01 19:48:01 GAN8001: hmm.. but I think the n800 had the same issue with another FON AP. I'll have to retest tat Sep 01 19:48:07 s/tat/that/ Sep 01 19:48:07 unixSnob meant: GAN8001: hmm.. but I think the n800 had the same issue with another FON AP. I'll have to retest that Sep 01 19:48:24 unixSnob, turn off the power management on the n800 and see if the problem goes away Sep 01 19:48:30 there's a comment against the PSM bug in bugzilla which refererces FON routers I think Sep 01 19:49:53 qwerty12_N800, that left panel is actually a bit smaller than the left panel in OS2008 Sep 01 19:50:00 how do I get xkbd-bthid to work on my n810? I have it installed and it runs but I don't know how to connect it to my computer. Sep 01 19:50:19 unix$nob: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636 Sep 01 19:50:31 ~psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Sep 01 19:50:34 ...but psm is already something else... Sep 01 19:50:36 a subwoofer hooked up to a N810, there goes the neighborhood Sep 01 19:50:55 ~psm Sep 01 19:50:56 it has been said that psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html. You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL. It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm Sep 01 19:51:00 Ugh Sep 01 19:51:04 ~wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Sep 01 19:51:04 okay, GAN8001 Sep 01 19:51:48 johnx: cool, maybe I shouldn't then :/ :) Sep 01 19:52:38 unixSnob, Wifi PSM is what gives you 3-4 days battery life while idle on wifi Sep 01 19:52:42 qwerty12_N800, at this stage I'm just messing around, seeing what works. Open to ideas and suggestions too :) Sep 01 19:53:04 Unfortunately it makes shitty routers spaz out Sep 01 19:53:16 and the N800 wont automatically fall back to a safemode. Sep 01 19:54:44 GAN8001: guess I should turn off PSM, and just save power by going to offline mode Sep 01 19:54:55 Or buy a real router Sep 01 19:54:57 anyways, off to bed. night all Sep 01 19:54:59 That'll solve it, too. Sep 01 19:55:04 night, johnx. Sep 01 19:55:06 at the moment the PSM setting is not in an obvious place Sep 01 19:55:10 night johnx Sep 01 19:55:21 GAN8001: electronics are pricey in Belgium (where I just moved) Sep 01 19:55:25 unixSnob, please read the link I showed you. Sep 01 19:55:51 If it's still not clear, I can add screenshots at some point. Sep 01 19:57:59 Does anybody know how to get xkbd-bthid to work? Sep 01 19:58:05 ah... PSM is configured on a per connection basis.. that's all I need to know. I'll give it try when I'm done downloading the belgium maps Sep 01 19:59:27 i think one save enough power by simply disconnecting. at that point the tablet more or less idles the wifi radio. i cant say i see much diff between wifi disconnected and offline mode over longer periods of time Sep 01 20:00:02 Disconnecting means I don't have internet Sep 01 20:00:05 Which doesn't work. Sep 01 20:00:48 hehe :) Sep 01 20:02:52 It's idling on XChat all the time Sep 01 20:03:02 and usually fetching mail/waiting for SIP. Sep 01 20:03:02 that's seems to have fixed it Sep 01 20:03:51 Say goodbye to your battery life if you're planning on letting it idle, though. Sep 01 20:04:47 i keep it plugged in when I'm at home, using my FON router.. on the go, i'll only use other fon rtrs momentarily Sep 01 20:11:12 Hi ! Sep 01 20:11:15 unixSnob: i don't hvae any problems flashing fonera router with dd-wrt and enabling WMM Sep 01 20:12:46 Stskeeps: what's wmm? I'm actually using a dd-wrt router in client bridge mode Sep 01 20:13:14 Stskeeps: they run dd-wrt? even my extremely shitty £100 router can't do that :\ Sep 01 20:13:23 qwerty12_N800: they can Sep 01 20:13:32 unixSnob: there's setting for wifi multimedia mode or something.. sec Sep 01 20:13:44 now i'm pissed :) Sep 01 20:14:10 oh, i mean WMI Sep 01 20:14:32 Stskeeps: I was thinking about looking into alternate fonera hotspot s/w, but figured i might as well use an actually fonera router. but if dd-wrt is better, and can still participate in the fon network, i'd be quite interested Sep 01 20:14:33 or not.. Sep 01 20:14:50 unixSnob: i got tired of my fonera and went and bought a wl-500g premium Sep 01 20:14:53 /wc Sep 01 20:14:55 cheap and extremely hackable Sep 01 20:16:03 but yeah, there's a WMM toggle in settings somewhere Sep 01 20:16:34 wmm or wmi? wmi google hits don't seem related to fon network Sep 01 20:16:49 I like the Buffalo WHR-G125 Sep 01 20:16:57 Too bad they can't sell them in the States at the moment. Sep 01 20:17:16 * unixSnob has a buffaly whr-g54 Sep 01 20:17:26 Tomato firmware Sep 01 20:17:32 So much better than that DD-WRT shit. Sep 01 20:17:47 does tomato have client bridge mode? Sep 01 20:17:50 and vpn? Sep 01 20:17:55 I bought 3 from Circuit City for $20 a piece when they were having a sale. Sep 01 20:18:11 I heard tomato was feature poor... but more reliable radio Sep 01 20:18:29 It's much lighter Sep 01 20:18:40 way more reliable and much, much faster, though. Sep 01 20:19:18 well, I need client bridge mode and vpn, so I can mooch off neighbors and not worry about honeypots ;) Sep 01 20:20:09 * unixSnob wonders why the whr-g125 is banned in the states Sep 01 20:20:42 unixSnob: go for something that you can install openvpn on? Sep 01 20:20:48 Patent bullshit Sep 01 20:21:32 hmmm... should I stock up on these in Belgium, and bring them in? Sep 01 20:21:46 http://wifinetnews.com/archives/008025.html Sep 01 20:22:19 Veggen: well i'm satisfied with dd-wrt running on buffalo at the moment. The flakiness is rare and manageable Sep 01 20:22:19 The WHR-G125 is the new WRT54G in a lot of circles. Sep 01 20:22:53 Veggen: although I wonder if it would be worth it to try a firmware with better range Sep 01 20:23:12 The Linksys WRT610N looks quite interesting... Sep 01 20:23:51 Friend of mine bought one Sep 01 20:23:55 It was shit with the stock firmware Sep 01 20:23:56 Any good? Sep 01 20:24:00 Ah :) Sep 01 20:24:03 Dunno if you can load something aftermarket on there. Sep 01 20:24:05 Thought it might be... Sep 01 20:24:26 He returned it and I upgraded his v2 WRT54G to Tomato. Sep 01 20:24:29 heh... it's a patent dispute apparently on the firmware.. too bad they aren't keen to sell the g125 to those who will replace the f/w anyway Sep 01 20:24:32 I tried Tomato on a WRT54GS v2 - I liked it, shame I couldn't get the port forwarding to work... may give it another try when I get time Sep 01 20:24:58 Was it just not working or an issue with the web interface? Sep 01 20:25:08 It's a little more complicated than DD-WRT's interface. Sep 01 20:25:19 I had trouble getting it to work when I first tried Sep 01 20:25:31 Don't remember what I figured out, though. Sep 01 20:25:51 GAN: Not sure, haven't investigated it much - same result with both 1.19 and 1.21 (latest available)... others don't have a problem, but I suspect it may be peculiar to the 54GS v2 Sep 01 20:26:24 The only other person I could find complaining about port forwarding with Tomato also had a 54GS v2 Sep 01 20:27:03 Well, you could always pick up a WHR-G125 to use as your router and move the Linksys to network extension duty. ;) Sep 01 20:27:11 Was actually trying to diagnose a fault with a Slim Devices Duet not working properly with Sveasoft Talisman 1.3.1 so getting Tomato working wasn't my main priority Sep 01 20:27:16 I've got 4 units covering my parent's house. Sep 01 20:27:33 I bought a pair of powerlan 200MB AV units - work a treat Sep 01 20:27:41 *4*?!? Sep 01 20:27:44 Umgh Sep 01 20:27:58 I used to have a second WR54GS v2 in client mode, which is what I was testing Tomato on Sep 01 20:28:09 RST38h, plaster walls and lead paint. Sep 01 20:28:29 lead paint??? Sep 01 20:28:34 I get coverage from the other side of the street out front to the alley and from top to bottom. Sep 01 20:28:42 Well, we stripped most of it out a long time ago. Sep 01 20:28:48 But there's still some around. Sep 01 20:28:53 well, I have got concrete on steel skeleton, but one DI-624 still does the job Sep 01 20:29:02 blimey... suspect it's a bit of a health hazzard! Sep 01 20:29:13 RST38h, how much space, though? Sep 01 20:29:25 ~3,500 sq/ft here. Sep 01 20:29:30 GAN: ~1008ft^2 Sep 01 20:29:48 milhouse, I had crazy lead poisoning when my dad started repainting the house when I was a kid. Sep 01 20:29:58 Might explain a bit. ;) Sep 01 20:30:12 yea, especially if your 3500 are on several floors... Sep 01 20:30:14 :) Sep 01 20:30:24 Almost 3 floors Sep 01 20:30:32 yep, that explains it then Sep 01 20:30:33 Converted attic on top. Sep 01 20:36:22 * crashanddie has changed the topic to: http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 logs http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | We are currently discussing the size of our homes, current winner: GAN8001 with approx 3,500 sq ft Sep 01 20:36:40 Not my home. Sep 01 20:36:49 I live in 502sq/ft. ;) Sep 01 20:36:59 This'd be my PARENT'S house. :P Sep 01 20:37:13 * crashanddie has changed the topic to: http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | logs at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | http://mxr.maemo.org | https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4 logs http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ | We are currently discussing the size of our homes, current loser: GAN8001 with only 502 sq ft Sep 01 20:37:34 * GAN8001 pokes crashanddie with a fire-harded spear. Sep 01 20:37:44 * crashanddie dodges Sep 01 20:38:19 * crashanddie throws the dead-boring microcontroller TLHOPE keynote at GAN8001 Sep 01 20:39:00 crashanddie, you have experience with serial connections? Sep 01 20:39:10 I kinda got my hacked up connector working on the Beagle Sep 01 20:39:11 define:experience Sep 01 20:39:26 But I can't bring myself to ask why I'm just getting garbage characters in #beagle. Sep 01 20:39:27 what kind of serial port is it ? Sep 01 20:39:52 Well, I need an IDC10 to DB9 (AT/Everex) adaptor Sep 01 20:39:58 But I couldn't source one soon enough Sep 01 20:40:29 So I chopped a DB9 cable in half, stripped out soldered and shrink-wrapped the wires. Sep 01 20:40:47 Then wired up RX, TX, and GRND to the Beagle Sep 01 20:41:12 hmm Sep 01 20:41:22 The problem seems to be with the ground wire that's usually attached to the port shielding. Sep 01 20:41:30 If I don't ground it, I get nothing Sep 01 20:41:43 If I do, I get garbage characters that are timed like a bootup sequence. Sep 01 20:41:54 Noise? Sep 01 20:41:56 (grounding against the SD slot housing) Sep 01 20:42:05 Haven't a clue Sep 01 20:42:08 what are you connected to ? Sep 01 20:42:13 ALIENS! Sep 01 20:42:15 My experience with serial connections is about nill. Sep 01 20:42:25 A Prolific USB adaptor. Sep 01 20:42:33 Oh Sep 01 20:42:36 that's bad Sep 01 20:42:47 I don't have a computer with a real serial port handy. Sep 01 20:42:59 I was hoping my dad's ThinkPad would have one, but. . . . Sep 01 20:43:09 wait Sep 01 20:43:15 how many connecters have you soldered ? Sep 01 20:43:16 3? Sep 01 20:43:47 Just needs 3 according to the Beagle wiki Sep 01 20:43:59 hmm Sep 01 20:44:05 did you connect it through null modem ? Sep 01 20:44:15 I soldered the stranded wire and shrink wrapped em to make slip-on connectors. Sep 01 20:44:19 show us the wiki page you are reading Sep 01 20:44:24 Get a USB-RS232 dongle Sep 01 20:44:27 it will help to give context to what you are trying Sep 01 20:44:31 They are a bit tricky but work most of the time Sep 01 20:44:39 RST38h, got one. Sep 01 20:45:16 GAN800, the problem is, IIRC, only connecting 3 cables on a serial cable is possible, but you'll lose all the RTS, CTS, DCE, DTE and timing pins Sep 01 20:45:25 which is kinda what made RS232 so handy in the first place Sep 01 20:45:40 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardFAQ#Serial_connection_.231 Sep 01 20:46:11 crashanddie, well, I actually hooked everything up originally before I read that ^ and got the same result. Sep 01 20:46:26 re Sep 01 20:46:59 It's really not particularly important, I'm getting an IDC10 cable tomorrow, I'd just be interested to know if there's a simple explanation. Sep 01 20:47:12 GAN8001, ok, so only 3 pins are connected, you read the the paragraph under that? About the random characters ? Sep 01 20:47:18 GAN8001: what powers the bagel? Sep 01 20:47:35 blueberry muffins and strong tall lattes Sep 01 20:47:46 5v adaptor that was sold with it from Digi-Key Sep 01 20:47:51 Mmm.. muffins Sep 01 20:47:53 crashanddie, yeah, played with the terminal settings Sep 01 20:47:58 Tried a bunch of different terms Sep 01 20:48:07 Similar results Sep 01 20:48:14 Slightly different random characters on each. Sep 01 20:48:15 GAN800, cant you just send video out and use usb keyboard Sep 01 20:48:22 lcuk, if only. . . . Sep 01 20:48:31 ? why not? Sep 01 20:48:35 You have to have a serial console to set up the first boot. Sep 01 20:48:51 One video is just the Beagle logo, other is test colors. Sep 01 20:48:51 but then after that you can? Sep 01 20:48:55 Yeah Sep 01 20:48:56 Well, can't say anything from this distance. Sep 01 20:49:05 I've got the Angstrom demo ready to go on an SD card. Sep 01 20:49:10 Wait Sep 01 20:49:20 GAN: Try crossing rx/tx wires Sep 01 20:49:30 i.e. plug it through a null modem and see what happens Sep 01 20:50:27 GAN800, :D its a bit like learning to be a ninja Sep 01 20:50:40 I could probably use one of those.. Sep 01 20:50:53 a ninja or a beagleboarrd? Sep 01 20:51:12 GAN8001, the USB touchscreens, do you know if they actually get the video through USB, or through DVI ? Sep 01 20:51:34 Have ninja, will travel Sep 01 20:51:49 crashanddie, not usually - the usb is just the interface for the touch Sep 01 20:51:54 crashanddie, the Xenarc ones are DVI/VGA/Composite + USB Sep 01 20:51:57 look around for purchasing touch panels Sep 01 20:52:27 ie you can get the same touch overlay in serial or usb, but the video comes from normal source Sep 01 20:55:50 wait Sep 01 20:55:58 there's no ethernet port ? Sep 01 20:57:04 No Sep 01 20:57:11 No wifi or Bluetooth either Sep 01 20:57:15 sucks Sep 01 20:57:15 Compact and cheap Sep 01 20:57:18 Meh Sep 01 20:57:20 USB stuff Sep 01 20:57:25 I love the beagleboard Sep 01 20:57:25 It's 3"x3" Sep 01 20:57:27 and $150 Sep 01 20:57:32 Don't get me wrong, I love it Sep 01 20:57:43 but I mean... No connectivity... Sep 01 20:57:52 Or you have to sacrifice the SDIO port and put wifi in there Sep 01 20:58:13 or Usb2E Sep 01 20:59:34 I've got an old Linksys USB ethernet adaptor that I'll use. Sep 01 21:00:27 I might buy one of those EyeFi cards for kicks. Sep 01 21:01:15 I would love a beagleboard with a little more ports Sep 01 21:01:43 Gumstix has an OMAP3530 board coming. Sep 01 21:01:57 That'll probably be what you're after Sep 01 21:02:14 Though the Rev.D Beagle might be too. Sep 01 21:03:40 * XTL parsed that as "Reverend Beagle" Sep 01 21:04:17 reverend d. beagle! Sep 01 21:09:10 GAN800, does anyone know about a rs232 adaptor that works with the n8x0 ? Sep 01 21:11:20 crashanddie, http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/tags/beagleboard/ Sep 01 21:11:27 You'll have to build one. Sep 01 21:12:18 why the fuck do you the picture of an alien Sep 01 21:12:22 One more closeup coming down the pipe. . . . Sep 01 21:12:35 The horseshoe crab? Sep 01 21:12:52 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_crab Sep 01 21:15:04 holy shit: A single horseshoe crab can be worth $2,500 over its lifetime for periodic blood extractions. Sep 01 21:15:50 wtf is in their blood? Sep 01 21:16:13 tasty tasty crab blood Sep 01 21:16:18 for the nautical vampire Sep 01 21:16:44 craab people Sep 01 21:17:41 The flickr export plugin for Aperture is the slowest thing ever. Sep 01 21:26:15 Circuit Porn!! Sep 01 21:26:38 Finally, the closeup: http://flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2819239690/ Sep 01 21:27:11 More circuit porn! Sep 01 21:27:31 hi #maemo :) Sep 01 21:27:31 Using just tx/rx wires will lower your rs232 throughoutput Sep 01 21:29:30 Apparently that's all that's implemented Sep 01 21:29:42 I just need enough to tell it to boot from the SD, though. Sep 01 21:33:46 evening all Sep 01 21:36:25 Oh Sep 01 21:36:41 May well be - a lot of SoCs do not provide flow control Sep 01 21:36:45 larrrdman Sep 01 21:37:16 hi RST38h Sep 01 21:37:18 Anybody knows *when* AGPS updates it info? I have changed the location on the map, but it does not seem to have fetched new data Sep 01 21:37:28 anyone know how I display the files in a given package? Sep 01 21:37:30 Oops. It just did. =) Sep 01 21:37:52 s/display/list Sep 01 21:38:00 lardman: dpkg-query -L package Sep 01 21:38:00 i.e. using apt or dpkg Sep 01 21:38:06 jott: cool, thanks Sep 01 21:38:07 lardman: dpkg Sep 01 21:38:27 (this works only for installed packages) Sep 01 21:38:41 yep, that's what I was after Sep 01 21:38:44 dpkg -L to be exact Sep 01 21:38:57 Anyone here have the dsp-sbc packages installed? Sep 01 21:39:20 i have the tar.gz + bluz-utils deb Sep 01 21:39:26 bluez even Sep 01 21:39:42 qwerty12_N800: Could you tell me the modification date of /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstbluetooth.so please? Sep 01 21:40:33 * lardman has a later testing version installed, but needs some way of working out if the dsp version is installed for this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&page=25&highlight=a2dp Sep 01 21:40:54 lardman: give me a sec :) Sep 01 21:40:59 np Sep 01 21:41:57 6th July Sep 01 21:42:15 thanks Sep 01 21:47:04 * lardman looks for a mono file that he can bear listening to ;) Sep 01 21:47:32 lardman: you know the one I sent is all good :p Sep 01 21:47:39 hmmm :) Sep 01 21:49:12 * qwerty12_N800 meanwhile tries to fix a grep -v "Content-type: text/html" that is removing everything :/ Sep 01 21:49:17 cool, found one Sep 01 21:53:02 so strange, sounds like it's playing through a few paper bags Sep 01 21:53:48 is that is because of dsp-sbc or that the song sounds like that anyway? :p Sep 01 21:53:54 lol Sep 01 21:53:59 s/is/of Sep 01 21:53:59 no, dsp problem Sep 01 21:54:11 I'm playing the MASH theme tune Sep 01 21:54:52 eastenders ending ftw Sep 01 22:01:33 fixed it Sep 01 22:01:48 great :) Sep 01 22:01:53 it was indeed overzealous use of #pragma MUST_ITERATE(1) Sep 01 22:02:08 I'll upload it Sep 01 22:06:26 right, should be there in sbcenc.tar.gz Sep 01 22:06:33 just extract that in the root directory, etc. Sep 01 22:07:45 thanks, i'll grab in a minute :) Sep 01 22:11:05 * lardman tries some more tweaking of the MUST_ITERATE #pragma to see if he can a) break it again or b) speed it up some more Sep 01 22:17:57 dash vs bash on n800/deblet: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/bootchart.bash.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/bootchart.dash.png Sep 01 22:20:30 * qwerty12_N800 is currently using bash3 compiled with -Os in maemo and prefers much more to dash which he compiled and disliked Sep 01 22:20:47 Wow Sep 01 22:20:52 That's a big hit. Sep 01 22:23:50 qwerty12_N800: i prefer bash myself as well, but dash is good for system scripts Sep 01 22:23:52 what about comparing to busybox sh? Sep 01 22:24:04 (the default) Sep 01 22:24:07 AStorm: i'm not confident busybox sh can boot a debian initscripts Sep 01 22:24:14 ah, debian, no Sep 01 22:24:20 but Maemo init scripts, definitely Sep 01 22:24:49 Stskeeps: yeah. Good idea actually, i should edit all my init scripts to use dash Sep 01 22:25:01 there's bootchart support in maemo boot afaik :P Sep 01 22:25:46 dash failed for me because it won't support coloured prompt :p Sep 01 22:26:11 GAN8001: yeah, that's why debian is wanting to switch to dash, and why ubuntu seems so fast at boot (it's not all because of upstart) Sep 01 22:26:51 Stskeeps: I'd have to argue that, i used upstart in maemo and boot was much faster Sep 01 22:27:48 evening guys Sep 01 22:27:55 any of you use email certs with maemo ? Sep 01 22:28:06 Im on the N810...import of pk12 exports works Sep 01 22:28:08 now Sep 01 22:28:22 but I cant use them in the email application Sep 01 22:28:32 any ideas would be helpful.. Sep 01 22:28:45 qwerty12_N800: upstart ofcourse helps Sep 01 22:30:15 * lardman smiles at choice b) Sep 01 22:32:11 RST38h, crashanddie, XTL, I think it's the cable. Just getting garbage from an echo test. Sep 01 22:32:47 GAN800, you clod Sep 01 22:32:54 Yeah, something like that. Sep 01 22:33:00 I'm noob at this. :D Sep 01 22:33:46 okay, either my figures are faulty or there's no impact whatsoever.. Sep 01 22:34:27 Hey Sep 01 22:34:56 doh. Sep 01 22:35:28 (looked at two copies of the same..) Sep 01 22:54:57 aargh Sep 01 22:59:08 is it pirate day again ? Sep 01 22:59:53 :) Sep 01 23:00:09 just doing my bit for global warming Sep 01 23:13:24 * LinuxCode spanks lcuk Sep 01 23:13:36 oi! Sep 01 23:14:06 haha Sep 01 23:14:08 alright mate Sep 01 23:14:09 ? Sep 01 23:14:22 yer, im havin a great time building stuff Sep 01 23:14:25 ever imported certs into your N810 for email use ? Sep 01 23:14:32 building what mate ? Sep 01 23:14:32 * lardman always wondered what went on in here at night! Sep 01 23:14:34 never touched email on it Sep 01 23:14:41 lcuk, k mate Sep 01 23:14:44 was worth a try Sep 01 23:14:59 what ya building ? Im intrigued Sep 01 23:15:02 lardman, it gets quite lively occasionally Sep 01 23:15:08 not another wood holder for the N810 ? Sep 01 23:15:10 LinuxCode: lardman wants in :P Sep 01 23:15:19 qwerty12_N800, wants what mate ? Sep 01 23:15:23 lol Sep 01 23:15:24 LinuxCode, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7SViwZwqoc Sep 01 23:15:27 my pirate hat ? Sep 01 23:15:43 LinuxCode: the spanking :p Sep 01 23:15:44 ohh you are working on that Sep 01 23:15:54 qwerty12_N800, I only spank select few people Sep 01 23:15:58 lol Sep 01 23:16:03 lol Sep 01 23:16:25 lardman, ive just moored the images in place and am trying to work out how to scale the closest ones so further away from finger is smaller Sep 01 23:16:25 lcuk, sweet... how much progress have you made on it since I spoke to you a month or so ago ? Sep 01 23:16:28 I've got a fiance for that now, thanks anyway ;) Sep 01 23:16:47 lcuk: you should have them slowly shrink back to original size too Sep 01 23:17:04 lardman, extra wishes huh ? Sep 01 23:17:07 lol ;-D Sep 01 23:17:09 linuxcode, ive completely rebuilt the rendering routines to allow an arbitary clipping rectangle and built a tile object class which i can insert data into... Sep 01 23:17:12 s/fiance/fiancee (sorry no accents on my kb) Sep 01 23:17:15 lardman :) Sep 01 23:17:24 lcuk, sounds cool mate Sep 01 23:17:24 like they currently do :) Sep 01 23:17:31 the only problem is that they are jumpy Sep 01 23:17:37 hehe Sep 01 23:17:39 lcuk: ah ok, didn't see that in your original vid Sep 01 23:17:42 ive made the initial grid code more friendly Sep 01 23:17:48 and it doesnt overlap initially Sep 01 23:17:51 code base issue ? or rendering problem ? Sep 01 23:18:07 my N810 seems a bit sluggish lately Sep 01 23:18:14 might reflash and see if i can find out why Sep 01 23:18:33 it had a bad initial tiling thing where it just scaled and if there was too many it would overlap until they were moved Sep 01 23:18:42 you can see it on the youtube vid Sep 01 23:19:16 the little nobbles above each and every menu item are to be linked by ident to a particular drawing or image :) Sep 01 23:19:47 I've got to hit the sack, worn myself out with that sbc fix & tremor byte reading debugging Sep 01 23:19:58 lcuk: will have a chat/another look at the video tomorrow Sep 01 23:20:00 yer i spotted you earlier :) nice one Sep 01 23:20:14 sleep tight all Sep 01 23:20:20 gnite :) Sep 01 23:20:24 night lardman Sep 01 23:20:32 too late :) Sep 01 23:21:11 always quick Sep 01 23:22:14 * LinuxCode blames the fiancee Sep 01 23:22:17 ;-p Sep 01 23:23:23 lcuk, you gonna play euormillions ? Sep 01 23:23:47 £92 jackpot! Sep 01 23:23:49 lol Sep 01 23:23:50 i think the missus has a ticket Sep 01 23:23:57 a whole £92 oooh Sep 01 23:24:01 its ridiculous Sep 01 23:24:09 add a M Sep 01 23:24:13 lol Sep 01 23:24:18 Moooh? Sep 01 23:24:24 yeh mooh Sep 01 23:24:25 lol Sep 01 23:24:27 ;-p Sep 01 23:24:49 i cant get used to this mousepad Sep 01 23:24:52 its too slippery Sep 01 23:25:20 my brother got me one in Thailand Sep 01 23:25:24 shape of a floppy Sep 01 23:25:33 its not slippy ..quite good Sep 01 23:25:45 once the rubbery smell wore off Sep 01 23:25:51 the thing stank of rubber Sep 01 23:26:45 well this makes the mouse act like a superconductor, its practically levitating Sep 01 23:27:05 * lcuk is used to an old knackered cloth surface Sep 01 23:27:16 lol Sep 01 23:27:24 * LinuxCode gives lcuk a new mouse Sep 01 23:27:39 mouse is fine Sep 01 23:27:43 new desk ? Sep 01 23:27:44 * lcuk has a heavy ball Sep 01 23:27:50 you are getting greedy now mate Sep 01 23:27:55 lol Sep 01 23:27:57 ;-} Sep 01 23:28:40 * qwerty12_N800 doesn't use mousepad, wooden surface + optical sensor Sep 01 23:28:53 qwerty12_N800, same mate Sep 01 23:28:57 i still cant get used to optical Sep 01 23:28:59 well...got that mouse pad now Sep 01 23:29:05 lcuk, why not ? Sep 01 23:29:13 actually this one is a laser one Sep 01 23:29:27 any of you remember the old amiga mouse ? Sep 01 23:29:28 i pickup my mouse quite often, and everytime i try it with a laser mouse the pointer fucks off west Sep 01 23:29:34 god that thing was a pain in the arse Sep 01 23:29:47 Get a non-shitty mouse? Sep 01 23:29:51 with the ball it stays where it is - i sort of half roll it around whilst picked up Sep 01 23:29:55 lcuk, mie seems fine with that Sep 01 23:30:09 mince* Sep 01 23:30:13 mine Sep 01 23:30:15 lol Sep 01 23:30:16 lol Sep 01 23:30:20 mince lol Sep 01 23:30:22 !!!!!!!!!!! Sep 01 23:30:24 hahahah Sep 01 23:30:29 ?!?!?!?!? Sep 01 23:30:35 Have your sensitivity set high enough so you don't have to lift it up. :P Sep 01 23:30:41 qwerty12_N800, mince as in minced meat ? Sep 01 23:30:45 its not for lifting up Sep 01 23:31:04 LinuxCode: Lol, i know, just joking :) Sep 01 23:31:07 point bein, i just dont like em Sep 01 23:31:20 qwerty12_N800, I bloody hope so mr qwerty! Sep 01 23:31:21 rofl Sep 01 23:31:26 :p Sep 01 23:50:25 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YaAt2fURNNU/SLqeKk3iDqI/AAAAAAAAAFw/-AerACW-cK8/s1600-h/Model.jpg Sep 01 23:50:27 lol Sep 01 23:51:11 Who's richard? Sep 01 23:51:38 rms i guess Sep 01 23:51:43 the gnu guy Sep 01 23:52:13 I wouldn't say the N810 is entirely open, a *lot* remains closed Sep 01 23:52:51 The comments never fail to crack me up on his blog. Sep 01 23:52:51 http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2008/08/different-ways-and-paradigms.html Sep 01 23:53:06 I like: "how about running windows mobile 6 on this unit-nokia have created this great device with below average software" Sep 01 23:55:25 Stallman, Raytray. :P Sep 01 23:56:08 Ah Sep 01 23:56:34 Tuco Sep 01 23:57:12 Hi gan800, Raytray Sep 01 23:57:21 heya Sep 01 23:57:38 what you guys doing here Sep 01 23:58:03 Same as you I assume. Sep 01 23:58:11 Absolutely nothing. Sep 01 23:58:15 idle? Sep 01 23:58:20 Dregs come around here too? Sep 01 23:58:30 Used to. Sep 02 00:07:10 ey Sep 02 00:12:54 GAN8001: i'm still waiting for your beagle-in-a-770 mod :D Sep 02 00:13:24 I gotta pull the LCD controller line out before it hits the DVI chip Sep 02 00:13:31 assuming that that'll actually be usable Sep 02 00:13:34 Just not gonna happen Sep 02 00:13:56 hi Sep 02 00:14:33 i wonder what am i gonna get if i enable R&D mode on n800 ? Sep 02 00:14:39 Don't Sep 02 00:14:43 you will get r&d mode Sep 02 00:14:46 If you're after root, then you want. Sep 02 00:14:47 ~rootsh Sep 02 00:14:48 rootsh is, like, an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ Sep 02 00:14:49 the flasher utility has such a flag .. Sep 02 00:14:54 It's in Extras. Sep 02 00:15:02 * LinuxCode agrees with GAN800 Sep 02 00:15:06 GAN8001: why not? increases power use or sth? ;P Sep 02 00:15:06 +1 Sep 02 00:15:21 (yes, it does enable the serial port) Sep 02 00:15:23 ok .. Sep 02 00:15:25 makes it easier to mess your device up Sep 02 00:15:28 AStorm, the only reason somebody asking about it has to use it is for root access. Sep 02 00:15:43 or have the nice boot image ;P Sep 02 00:15:44 Power usage is one possible reason not to use it. Sep 02 00:15:46 LinuxCode: well ..yaeh, that what i don't want Sep 02 00:15:55 AStorm, install bootmenu. Sep 02 00:15:56 cause it's in hands of my brother .. Sep 02 00:16:01 I've noticed no increased power use with n810 Sep 02 00:16:02 and disabling evil watchdogs .. Sep 02 00:16:10 and they strangly messed it up already Sep 02 00:16:12 :( Sep 02 00:16:15 jott, that's separate from R&D mode. Sep 02 00:16:30 AStorm, more than one @nokia person has mentioned the possibility of increased power use. Sep 02 00:16:32 GAN8001: it get's activated with r&d doesn't it? Sep 02 00:16:33 how to get the current image ? Sep 02 00:16:37 jott, no. Sep 02 00:16:42 can i do it with the flasher util? Sep 02 00:16:46 It's an R&D mode "flag" Sep 02 00:16:51 error_developer_, yes Sep 02 00:16:55 R&D mode isn't turned on by setting flags, though. Sep 02 00:17:06 and turning R&D mode on doesn't set flags. Sep 02 00:17:15 ~flashing Sep 02 00:17:16 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 02 00:19:33 GAN8001: ah ok, i was under the impression that the wd flags where set when activating r&d. Sep 02 00:19:40 Nope Sep 02 00:19:50 * jott takes an imaginary note Sep 02 00:20:16 I should gather information for an R&D mode wiki article Sep 02 00:20:20 Poke Igor and Eero Sep 02 00:24:29 wow Sep 02 00:24:31 :) Sep 02 00:24:33 kewl Sep 02 00:24:41 sudo gainroot helped Sep 02 00:24:54 cause i had actually forgotten the password Sep 02 00:24:56 ;) Sep 02 00:25:05 did i get it right, Sep 02 00:25:18 sudo gainroot works only in R&D mode ? Sep 02 00:26:05 No Sep 02 00:26:07 ~root-access Sep 02 00:26:08 [root-access] http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Sep 02 00:26:54 heh Sep 02 00:34:03 right ,, Sep 02 00:34:18 seems more like a security hole to me .. Sep 02 00:34:20 ! Sep 02 00:34:23 right .. Sep 02 00:34:46 another thing i gotta sort out .. Sep 02 00:35:45 if i just do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade Sep 02 00:36:02 will do the same what flasher could upgade ? Sep 02 00:41:40 No Sep 02 00:41:59 apt-get upgrade is a decent way to make your device unbootable if you have the wrong repositories installed. Sep 02 00:42:17 ok Sep 02 00:42:18 well Sep 02 00:42:26 ~flashing Sep 02 00:42:27 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 02 00:42:34 To update to the latest FIASCO release Sep 02 00:42:47 then install the "OS2008 Feature Upgrade" from Application manager. Sep 02 00:43:12 GAN8001: i haven't see it there .. Sep 02 00:44:29 Are you running Diablo? Sep 02 00:44:34 Have you refreshed the repositories? Sep 02 00:47:08 GAN8001: hm .. Sep 02 00:47:26 i got Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1 Sep 02 00:47:51 That's not the latest. Sep 02 00:47:57 ~flashing Sep 02 00:47:58 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 02 00:49:44 ok .. Sep 02 00:49:54 i see, i got chinook Sep 02 00:50:24 so Sep 02 00:50:34 if i edit the sources list Sep 02 00:50:50 and change chinook to diablo Sep 02 00:50:53 No. Sep 02 00:50:55 ~flashing Sep 02 00:50:56 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 02 00:52:06 then run apt-get upgrade Sep 02 00:52:18 GAN8001: why are you so radical? Sep 02 00:52:21 No. Sep 02 00:52:31 have you personaly experoenced Sep 02 00:52:32 I'm trying to help you not get yourself into a reboot loop Sep 02 00:52:39 ok Sep 02 00:53:01 but Sep 02 00:54:10 But apparently you don't want help Sep 02 00:54:36 GAN8001: well Sep 02 00:54:38 no Sep 02 00:54:39 Do whatever you please, but don't come whining back to me when you back yourself into a corner. Sep 02 00:54:48 I'm telling you it doesn't work that way Sep 02 00:54:56 i just wonder what's wrong with apt-get approach Sep 02 00:55:01 ok Sep 02 00:55:03 It doesn't work like that. Sep 02 00:55:22 Even if you A. Managed to get the username and password for the upgrade repo, and B. Provide them to apt Sep 02 00:55:45 you'll still need to turn off the watchdog so it doesn't kill itself in the middle of the update Sep 02 00:55:57 and symlink the apt caching directory onto a card Sep 02 00:56:08 ok .., right i see now :) Sep 02 00:56:14 Pull the correct meta-package from the repo so you don't end up with a completely broken install Sep 02 00:56:31 is it a very good idea to upgrade from chinook to diablo ? Sep 02 00:56:36 even if you get out the other side after doing all that, you STILL have a broken ssytem. Sep 02 00:56:49 i had noticed some slight brakege Sep 02 00:56:50 So, why do I tell you not to do it? Because it's a bad damn idea. Sep 02 00:57:03 Flashing is like wiping the tablet clean and starting over. Sep 02 00:57:13 So there's no Chinook -> Diablo issues. Sep 02 00:57:25 The only issue would be restoring a broken backup. Sep 02 00:57:51 just that cause i don't like wipping everything Sep 02 00:58:03 Well, that's why you're upgrading to Diablo Sep 02 00:58:05 ~ssu Sep 02 00:58:06 methinks ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Sep 02 00:58:58 but proly i should apply my 'never wipe' technique only to pc-kindda systems Sep 02 01:00:10 Read up on SSU. Sep 02 01:00:16 No more flashes required. Sep 02 01:25:37 Hello Sep 02 01:26:20 Howdy Sep 02 01:34:18 anyone know of a vnc viewer that will run from a usb drive? Sep 02 01:34:35 any Sep 02 01:34:49 why wouldn't it? Sep 02 01:36:28 some programs don't run well of a usb drive Sep 02 01:36:43 not if it's writable Sep 02 01:36:53 and has some real filesystem on it (not FAT) Sep 02 01:38:14 guess I should say it for windows :) Sep 02 01:39:44 ah, there are a few for windows Sep 02 01:40:06 there is probably one that doesn't store config outside of its dir Sep 02 01:40:46 yeah I'll take a look arounf for one I need something at work and can't install programs there Sep 02 01:44:01 with a bit of hacking around with custom u3 stuff i believe you can get a version of vnc running upon insertion of the stick Sep 02 01:44:43 failing that, you can get your app coming up on the stupid windows run list Sep 02 01:45:34 lcuk, the switchblade only works when you're in admin mode Sep 02 01:45:36 cool Sep 02 01:46:34 hey how do I make my windows desktop screen fit on my nokia over vnc? Sep 02 01:46:45 AFBN810, more often its convenient to know the url of a vnc binary Sep 02 01:47:14 you can even create one click installers that you can simply get your client to download and run and it will open a connection back to your office Sep 02 01:48:00 cool Sep 02 01:48:32 Hi, buddies Sep 02 01:49:41 AFBN810, but we aren't here for windows ;) Sep 02 01:50:22 who can use the Rotation support for OS2008 on N810? Sep 02 01:50:32 yeah I know I use windows and linux on more then my n810 but at work I am forced to windows all the time Sep 02 01:51:11 AFBN810: what is this work? Sep 02 01:51:13 * robink hopes Nokia will bring OGG support back into Diablo. Sep 02 01:51:26 anyway, im off to bed, ive got things floating around my mind (literally) Sep 02 01:51:27 * AStorm hopes ogg-support is updated :> Sep 02 01:51:47 Astorm its what some of us have to do to make money :) Sep 02 01:52:12 AFBN810: well, but what exactly Sep 02 01:52:37 esp. lms-ogg Sep 02 01:53:11 Nuclear Power Sep 02 01:53:17 I found a problem that my N810 did't boot when I executed the command 'flasher -f -k kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 ' Sep 02 01:53:35 who can help me? Sep 02 01:53:40 AFBN810: sounds demanding, like watching whole day a monitor ;P Sep 02 01:53:44 I monitor people and objects for radiation Sep 02 01:53:58 flasher-3.0 -F --flash-only=kernel -R Sep 02 01:54:00 yay, you walk and check sensors Sep 02 01:54:16 I suppose they required an uni degree for that Sep 02 01:54:26 :) Sep 02 01:54:40 I don't do that much walking its mostly remote monitoring now Sep 02 01:55:00 No degee at all Sep 02 01:55:08 AStorm, snarky much tonight? :P Sep 02 01:55:13 ok, some smart people at recruitment then :> Sep 02 01:55:23 GAN8001: yeah, a bit it seems Sep 02 01:55:30 GAN8001 : thanks, I try it Sep 02 01:56:05 GAN8001: more like, feeling cynical Sep 02 01:58:24 GAN8001 : The kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 isn't FIASCO image. Sep 02 01:58:55 spcui: use -k instead of -F then Sep 02 01:59:03 it's a kernel image, not full FIASCO Sep 02 01:59:40 I know, but I used it Sep 02 02:00:17 is it just a kernel image, a .deb, or a gzipped kernel image? Sep 02 02:00:25 (try file on it) Sep 02 02:00:52 it not booting is possible if you didn't update kernel modules Sep 02 02:01:31 ok, thanks. You can see it. http://sse2.net/rotate/ Sep 02 02:03:00 you need to update Xomap first Sep 02 02:03:12 i didn't boot my N810 when i flashed my kernel. Sep 02 02:03:31 mwhahaha Sep 02 02:03:38 then boot it Sep 02 02:03:47 -R should take care of that Sep 02 02:04:04 (obviously, you have to put the device in the flash mode, but you should know that already) Sep 02 02:04:42 i added -R. Sep 02 02:06:21 but i didn't boot it Sep 02 02:06:30 hm? Sep 02 02:06:35 what happened? Sep 02 02:06:36 yep Sep 02 02:06:39 it restarted and what? Sep 02 02:06:46 i don't know that Sep 02 02:06:50 went to white screen, then rebooted? Sep 02 02:06:55 went to black screen? Sep 02 02:07:09 yeah Sep 02 02:07:15 black screen, not good Sep 02 02:07:21 went to white screen Sep 02 02:07:24 ah Sep 02 02:07:28 so it hanged Sep 02 02:07:33 in kernel boot Sep 02 02:07:34 then went to black screen Sep 02 02:07:41 mhm, watchdog killed it Sep 02 02:08:06 might be broken kernel... or just non-zImage Sep 02 02:08:25 do run file on it Sep 02 02:08:32 yep, i think so Sep 02 02:09:40 ok, before I go and do something stupid ( too late ) what do I put in the Distribution: field in my .changes file if I want to upload to both diablo and chinook "diablo, chinook" or "" Sep 02 02:10:02 AStorm : Thank you for your time Sep 02 02:20:07 * brontide finds some debian docs that indicate "chinook diablo" would be the proper way...... trying Sep 02 02:24:09 brontide, since you're going through the suffering here, think you could compile a short list of possible amendments and additions to https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 02 02:59:56 2008