**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 02 02:59:56 2008 Sep 02 03:03:05 Did jolouis ever make any progress on the N810 OTG adaptor? Sep 02 03:07:39 I want to install the flash-and-reboot, but I don't know where the package is. who can tell me where I find it Sep 02 03:09:08 Er, it's in the upgrade repo Sep 02 03:09:14 and it's not really something you "install" Sep 02 03:09:23 * moontiger installs the latest sdk stuff... Sep 02 03:09:27 It's a package that invokes fiasco-flasher Sep 02 03:09:50 spcui, have you installed the latest SSU update? Sep 02 03:10:13 what's SSU? Sep 02 03:10:28 ~ssu Sep 02 03:10:29 it has been said that ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Sep 02 03:11:47 thanks Sep 02 03:16:18 GAN800, is this the new dev env you were telling me about the other day? Sep 02 03:16:39 scratchbox 2 Sep 02 03:16:46 Has a lot of improvements Sep 02 03:16:49 the sdk 1.5 beta thingy? Sep 02 03:16:53 but Nokia hasn't moved to it officially. Sep 02 03:16:58 RST38h can tell you more about it. Sep 02 03:21:28 GAN800, so is the "rootstrap" the actual emulator? Sep 02 03:22:56 * ToyKeeper tries to figure out how to make osso-xterm display dark grey instead of black, for "bright black" Sep 02 03:23:44 Forget about Xephyr Sep 02 03:23:48 It sucks even when it works Sep 02 03:23:55 Just compile for ARM and copy to the device Sep 02 03:24:01 Testing will go much more smoothly Sep 02 03:24:08 ok so i dont need the rootstrap? Sep 02 03:24:53 im very excited by the anjuta plug-in they say is available Sep 02 03:27:52 GAN8001: I'll look it over but with my schedule I doubt I'll get any real headway on another project. Most of my problems is because .deb packages are very foreign to me Sep 02 03:30:25 robink: AStorm: if somebody finds out how to get oggs indexed by metalayer crawler in diablo, I might consider updating it for diablo.. Sep 02 03:47:10 i hate that crawler, takes so long to index stuff Sep 02 03:47:58 * GAN8001 facepalms Sep 02 03:48:13 Here I am wondering why the hell my pccables.com order hasn't shipped yet. :\ Sep 02 04:09:27 holy shit!!! i can use anjuta for dev work !!! :) Sep 02 04:09:46 GAN800, labor day ;) Sep 02 04:16:34 Right. ;) Sep 02 04:31:06 "Assessing the Political Impact of Bristol Palin's Pregnancy" (C)WashPost Sep 02 04:36:02 ummmmmmm it works brilliantly ... i take back all my moaning and bitching from the other day about the build tools etc Sep 02 04:36:08 its so cool :) Sep 02 04:38:24 RST38h, I'm writing in the fetus for president. Sep 02 05:08:00 hi, on my N810, in the terminal i am getting characters is chinese(or something like ASCII) ,locale is en_GE , how to resolv Sep 02 05:08:02 ? Sep 02 05:08:35 nn Sep 02 06:19:02 damn, nyt n810 keyb doesnt work as advertised anymore Sep 02 06:19:46 chr switching seems to be reversed or something Sep 02 06:22:40 TTilus: ? I've not seen that Sep 02 06:23:49 my keyb has ö / ø key, im supposed to be (and ive been) getting ö with plain key and ø with Chr key Sep 02 06:23:59 now its reversed Sep 02 06:24:26 the same with ä / æ key Sep 02 06:24:34 boot doesnt help Sep 02 06:26:53 also my bt keyboard stopped working Sep 02 06:27:20 it pairs but doesnt actually work Sep 02 06:27:51 lights blink as you type, but you get nothing Sep 02 06:28:49 might try flashing, id also be able to try out agps Sep 02 07:05:19 morning qwerty12 Sep 02 07:05:30 Hey Stskeeps Sep 02 07:18:32 on the http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/applications.html i see "keepassx", but there is no keepassx in the repository. where can I get it? I used to use keepass on my linux box and windows mobile Sep 02 07:20:03 rmrfchik: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/keepassx/ Sep 02 07:21:47 will it work on latest diablo? Sep 02 07:21:56 dunno Sep 02 07:22:02 thanks anyway Sep 02 07:48:27 qwerty12: did you ever progress with mtdutils btw? Sep 02 07:48:38 Stskeeps: how do you mean? Sep 02 07:48:55 well, the backup/restore thing, seems like my rootfs jffs2 is getting corrupted so :P Sep 02 07:49:24 and a "clean" copy is only really possible from initfs where it's not mounted Sep 02 07:49:31 Stskeeps: I stopped working on it, my scripting knowledge is too low for what I want :) Sep 02 07:49:36 ah, sucks Sep 02 07:49:46 Stskeeps: using usbnet/serial, you can perform a backup yourself Sep 02 07:49:58 that's true Sep 02 07:50:08 without using mtd or with? Sep 02 07:50:12 using mtd Sep 02 07:50:28 compiled statically or? Sep 02 07:50:46 yeah, the static ones as you'd want to run the binaries from the initfs Sep 02 07:50:53 k Sep 02 07:51:05 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33348&postcount=31 Sep 02 07:51:24 ta Sep 02 07:52:05 If you don't have mtd-utils in initfs, grab the static ones off my site and shove them in /tmp and mount your memory card up so you can use mtd-utils Sep 02 07:52:18 You can also dump rootfs when you are booted from mmc too :) Sep 02 07:52:27 If you don't want to go long initfs method Sep 02 07:55:13 win 11 Sep 02 07:57:01 Morning, all Sep 02 08:03:09 Hello. I can't get updates from the maemo repositoryrepository.maemo.org/dists/diablo/sdk. Is there someting wrong with the repos? Sep 02 08:05:30 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/g/gdb/gdb_6.6.dfsg-1+armel+osso1_armel.deb Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' Sep 02 08:05:33 any ideas? Sep 02 08:13:41 does ping www.yahoo.com work? :P Sep 02 08:14:17 napsy_: dig repository.maemo.org Sep 02 08:15:12 hmm, i could really use md5sum on the tablet right now Sep 02 08:15:37 oh 'coreutils' nm Sep 02 08:15:56 hah, no do not install that Sep 02 08:15:57 pupnik: usualy part of busybox Sep 02 08:16:23 pupnik: deblet package has a compiled md5sum in /usr/libexec/deblet atleast Sep 02 08:16:26 keesj, I got a reply Sep 02 08:16:28 (we needed it for debootstrap) Sep 02 08:16:33 cat test | ssh myhost nd4sun Sep 02 08:17:11 my os2008 doesn't have it in the busybox Sep 02 08:18:03 pupnik: md5sum binary : http://penguinbait.com/md5sum.gz Sep 02 08:18:13 * pupnik bows to qwerty12 Sep 02 08:19:22 napsy_: are you doin that within the sbox target? Sep 02 08:19:36 keesj, yes Sep 02 08:25:41 erghblhch.. hope the next tablet has more space for rootfs Sep 02 08:28:47 fdupes would be nice to have (find duplicate files) Sep 02 08:30:47 pupnik: does sound useful actually, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/fdupes_1.40-4build1_armel.deb Sep 02 08:31:41 * pupnik hops up and down grinning Sep 02 08:32:12 thank you Sep 02 08:32:26 no problem :) Sep 02 08:33:10 was trying to do it with shellscript and not getting anywhere (busybox) Sep 02 08:33:47 yeah, busybox sh really sucks. I installed zap's bash2 from extras and then replaced the bash binary with bash3 Sep 02 08:34:01 I finally have a history command :) Sep 02 08:35:08 lmao, look at the fdupes makefile: http://pastebin.com/d4ef3bba0 Sep 02 08:35:36 hahaha Sep 02 08:36:23 sweet, helped me clean out 100 MB of dupes Sep 02 08:40:30 meh, just install zsh Sep 02 08:40:56 that reminds me, I need to install dash and use it for init scripts Sep 02 08:41:06 good luck w/ that Sep 02 08:42:04 It can't be worse than busybox sh :> Sep 02 08:44:15 bash3? lol Sep 02 08:46:08 hi, qwerty12 : I found a screenshot http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/xp_usb_serial.jpg, do u success to config the network under xp with diablo? Sep 02 08:46:26 alsor: no, that's using usb_serial Sep 02 08:46:46 adapter? Sep 02 08:46:52 *g_serial Sep 02 08:47:06 oh, not g_ether... Sep 02 08:47:11 No module, plug in the usb cable to the N800 and the computer thinks it's a serial device Sep 02 08:47:11 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=218847#post218847 Sep 02 08:47:33 ok, let me c.. Sep 02 08:50:18 aha, sounds good. just like the eval board.. Sep 02 08:52:00 qwerty12: why's that a bmp with a jpg extension? :) Sep 02 08:52:11 [ http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/xp_usb_serial.jpg ] Sep 02 08:52:33 * aquatix prefers png for screenshots Sep 02 08:53:15 aquatix: crap, I must have shoved a jpg extension in paint with jpg file type >.<. I'll change that Sep 02 08:57:38 aquatix: thanks for that, I was wondering why that image loaded slowly Sep 02 09:03:57 johnx: your cron build is working perfectly, thanks Sep 02 09:09:22 qwerty12: yeah, same here :) Sep 02 09:09:39 changed it now to png :) Sep 02 09:10:47 ah, that's a lot better Sep 02 09:11:03 * qwerty12 quite likes running uptimed on his tablet :). It now makes me not want to remove the battery :D Sep 02 09:13:17 ooh, there's a daemon for that? Sep 02 09:13:25 yer: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/N800_Uptime.htm Sep 02 09:13:44 Though it seems my N800 clock is an hour forward Sep 02 09:14:21 * aquatix runs ntpd for that ;) Sep 02 09:14:33 uptimed is on maemo.org? Sep 02 09:14:36 I just ran rdate :) Sep 02 09:14:41 :) Sep 02 09:15:17 aquatix: no :(. I built my own debs and then modified everything once it was installed on the tablet to work with maemo oddities :/ Sep 02 09:15:44 cron runs a script once an hour to upload my current uptime to that server while filtering out rubbish Sep 02 09:16:26 if I had dpkg-repack on the tablet, I'd have shared the debs Sep 02 09:17:27 ah Sep 02 09:17:29 well Sep 02 09:17:48 at least it won't make me not want to not reboot the device ;) Sep 02 09:18:37 Hehe, I'll see what I can in regards to sharing uptimed. I had to manually hack /var/lib/dpkg/status to change some of the dependencies so that it would install :/ Sep 02 09:18:46 Then I had to hack the postinst scripts etc Sep 02 09:18:58 meh, sounds too much work for me ;) Sep 02 09:19:35 Heh, yeah, I only wanted uptimed after I installed the full procps on my tablet for some reason Sep 02 09:19:47 ssh makes it so easy for me to replace crap busybox things Sep 02 09:19:49 *g* Sep 02 09:22:02 http://tabletblog.com/2008/08/nokia-announces-ntropic-nseries.html <- that'd be so cool... Sep 02 09:22:32 You know Nokia will never make an UIQ version :P Sep 02 09:22:43 ? Sep 02 09:22:45 (if that was real of course) Sep 02 09:22:53 ah :) Sep 02 09:22:56 good memory ;) Sep 02 09:23:02 * aquatix is oggling a nokia e71 though Sep 02 09:23:18 but i'll run my se m600i in the ground first Sep 02 09:23:28 so that'd mean an upgrade in 2012 or something Sep 02 09:23:56 Come to london and play javelin with the phone Sep 02 09:24:22 why in London? Sep 02 09:24:35 London 2012 Olympics Sep 02 09:24:40 ah :P Sep 02 09:27:30 well, i prefer doing that somewhat sooner then, and getting an e71 while that device is still new ;) Sep 02 09:51:12 * qwerty12 packages bootchart for maemo, may as well see if using dash makes a difference :> Sep 02 09:56:10 qwerty12: oooh, need pretty graph online Sep 02 09:58:27 :). Just updating the debian package to the latest svn, fingers crossed I won't need to hax the status file to install psmisc :) Sep 02 09:59:42 It wants java packages for the graph part, I'll build without that, the website works to convert the tgz into graph :) Sep 02 10:03:10 aquatix: I wonder would the Ntropic sync be possible to do with syncml-server or similar? Sep 02 10:03:11 qwerty12: the website doesnt work for me, i just have a bootchart-view installation on my ubuntu Sep 02 10:03:29 Stskeeps: Thanks, I'll do the same :) Sep 02 10:04:36 qwerty12: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/bootchart/download works fine without dependancies atleast Sep 02 10:05:18 hm, anyone good with maemo mapper around? :) Sep 02 10:07:46 Stskeeps: yeah, but I'm building the latest svn :) Sep 02 10:07:59 qwerty12: rcS has something about bootchart btw Sep 02 10:08:24 my observation was that /tmp is not hospitable to bootchart due to it being 512k so you need to edit /sbin/bootchartd to place it otherwise Sep 02 10:09:03 Stskeeps: yeah, good point, I'll go with /var/tmp :) Sep 02 10:09:50 i'd personally just go with using the 32mb tmpfs mount it offers when the mktemp thing doesnt work :P Sep 02 10:09:58 (if [ -z something ]) Sep 02 10:14:10 odd observation of the day - screen dimmed, run reboot (no dsme reboot), restart doesnt happen, screen stays off but n800 appears dead Sep 02 10:21:24 * Stskeeps wonders if he should take another crack at ublet or not. Sep 02 10:21:41 ublet? lol Sep 02 10:21:51 oh, ubuntu Sep 02 10:21:57 i had ubuntu 7.10 booting at tablet in summer Sep 02 10:23:41 but not sure if 7.10 even has any interest as it's not as complete as the debian armel port Sep 02 10:24:18 and since moblin moved to a fedora base ubuntu mobile seems to move a bit to a dead end. Sep 02 10:25:40 Well, it installed but it didn't run on bootup :>. Lemme see what needs changing Sep 02 10:26:21 "/etc/init.d/bootchart: line 32: /lib/init/vars.sh: No such file or directory" Sep 02 10:26:36 ah Sep 02 10:27:27 Hmm, it's in initscripts package. Lemme see if I can work around that. Sep 02 10:27:44 qwerty12: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/bootchart/ looks interesting Sep 02 10:28:33 Stskeeps: it does, thanks for that :) Sep 02 10:35:29 I made a fake vars.sh because I can't figure out that bootchart-logger.c website :P Sep 02 10:36:25 hehe Sep 02 10:36:31 yeah, it stumped me a bit afterwards Sep 02 10:38:54 damn Sep 02 10:38:59 i will kill myself now Sep 02 10:39:02 :"'( Sep 02 10:39:24 you damaged your tablet? Sep 02 10:39:24 :P Sep 02 10:39:57 90210 is not available on the scene :"""( Sep 02 10:40:09 heh Sep 02 10:40:23 have u ever watched it? Sep 02 10:40:30 yes, i have Sep 02 10:40:59 :""( Sep 02 10:41:05 that reminds me a bit of a quote by eddie izzard: "if a woman falls over wearing high heels, that's embarassing. if a bloke falls over wearing high heels - he has to kill himself." Sep 02 10:41:26 http://cwtv.com/shows/90210 Sep 02 10:42:04 why isn't it on scene? Sep 02 10:42:38 ah i am notlucky Sep 02 10:47:43 Stskeeps u always watch it ? Sep 02 10:47:53 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/d29281d98 - ran it and dsme shut off the n800 :D. Sep 02 10:48:00 Salutations Sep 02 10:48:02 :( Sep 02 10:48:03 :( Sep 02 10:48:05 :( Sep 02 10:48:42 qwerty12: lovely Sep 02 10:48:57 * Stskeeps just bricked his deblet through installing runit Sep 02 10:50:02 ouch :/ Sep 02 10:50:38 :""( Sep 02 10:51:55 bricked? Sep 02 10:52:23 hehe, okay, bricked is a hard word, just didnt start up properly ;) Sep 02 10:59:00 call it 'pillowed' Sep 02 11:03:01 oilinki: syncml could help quite a bit yeah Sep 02 11:03:13 not sure whether everything would be possible with it Sep 02 11:03:44 lol 1 of the cast is persian Sep 02 11:09:01 syncml sucks ! Sep 02 11:09:44 Khertan, yes, it sucks data from a specified url Sep 02 11:09:55 hum Sep 02 11:10:24 do you have read the protocol rtf ? Sep 02 11:10:53 no, but itsnt it xml and enterprisey? Sep 02 11:11:20 opendocument from microsoft is xml too Sep 02 11:11:31 this doesn t mean it s a good format Sep 02 11:11:35 ok, point taken Sep 02 11:11:43 its enterprisey though :) Sep 02 11:11:45 SyncML's the best we've got, though Sep 02 11:11:55 it s too much complex Sep 02 11:11:59 its not meant to be good, its meant to be standard Sep 02 11:12:07 It's like democracy - it's the worst form of government; except for the others Sep 02 11:12:18 no compatibility with old protocol version Sep 02 11:12:33 nicely put Jaffa Sep 02 11:12:52 Khertan, i have the exact same issues regarding sketches Sep 02 11:12:55 too much complex so implentation differ from software client/server Sep 02 11:13:05 theres an over the top xml spec out there for me to ignore Sep 02 11:14:02 this mean when you write a client it work only for some servers Sep 02 11:14:22 Khertan: how it goes with google cal/contacts/notebook sync? Sep 02 11:15:08 liri: mCalendar is ready for summit Sep 02 11:15:18 o/ Khertan_n810 :) Sep 02 11:15:23 mContact: i m rewriting the ui Sep 02 11:15:32 is someone gonna blog the summit? Sep 02 11:15:40 * lcuk is nowhere near ready, but a lot closer after last night Sep 02 11:15:53 pupnik, hi def video is being taken Sep 02 11:15:54 and mMemo is still in my brain Sep 02 11:16:48 mmmmDinner is on mine Sep 02 11:17:05 or mNotes Sep 02 11:17:12 still not sure for the name Sep 02 11:17:14 Khertan: ok so what are you doing wasting your time chatting with us here? go finish up mMemo! Sep 02 11:17:21 Khertan: mNotes does sound better Sep 02 11:17:24 Khertan: :) Sep 02 11:17:44 coding while walking in the street isn t secure Sep 02 11:17:52 heh Sep 02 11:18:13 Khertan: same goes for not watching where you're going while typing the keyboard :P Sep 02 11:18:16 its secure, but instead of a compilation error you walk into a lamppost Sep 02 11:19:23 woot Sep 02 11:20:21 hum could you the summit program to the topic too ? Sep 02 11:20:29 Logs may eventually be available. . . . Sep 02 11:20:45 :) Sep 02 11:20:49 Could probably use a fallback logger with X-Fade on vacation. Sep 02 11:21:02 not a link but the text of the programm ? Sep 02 11:21:08 It's big, it's heavy, it's wood. Sep 02 11:21:21 come back to office Sep 02 11:21:23 bye Sep 02 11:21:24 Summit's in the topic, you can add the program as well if you want, but we don't want the topic too big. Sep 02 11:21:44 GAN800: it was a joke :) Sep 02 11:21:57 Right-o Sep 02 11:22:03 byye Sep 02 11:28:47 wtf, i created an account for https://maemo.org/, but it won't let me log in Sep 02 11:29:13 er, or it did create one for garage and doesn't let me in at maemo.org Sep 02 11:29:23 * aquatix just wants https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/ Sep 02 11:29:56 aqua, remove s from https Sep 02 11:30:18 hm, k Sep 02 11:31:00 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/ linked me to http Sep 02 11:31:02 *https Sep 02 11:31:19 aquatix, i keep getting similar frustrations whenever i go near bugzilla Sep 02 11:31:42 im a member of maemo, and the garage but i cant file bug reports \@/ single sign in Sep 02 11:31:49 and i cant file a bug report to say that.. Sep 02 11:31:55 hm, with http i get the normal page (after waiting a while) Sep 02 11:33:24 lcuk, just create a goddamn bugzilla account. Sep 02 11:34:21 gan, whenever i go near bugzilla ive got a problem or am trying to respond to someone elses problem Sep 02 11:34:21 Unified accounts are entirely pointless until we have single sign-on, which isn't coming soon. Sep 02 11:34:30 im not there to setup extra accounts Sep 02 11:34:39 lcuk, then stfu Sep 02 11:35:09 If you can't take 30 seconds to register, then you don't have any complaining rights. Sep 02 11:35:51 if you feel like coding up a single sign-on system, feel more than free. Sep 02 11:36:03 i am merely pointing out the fact other places seem to handle it nicely and an account on the main site is the same as an acocunt on the other things Sep 02 11:37:03 lcuk, that's not just something you flip a switch on. Sep 02 11:37:55 There's a lot involved in setting up somerthing like that that'll actually work with Downloads, gforge, bugzilla, the wiki, etc, etc, etc. Sep 02 11:38:36 While it would be convenient, taking 30 seconds to register wont kill you. Sep 02 12:09:43 GAN800, sorry for running (im at work) i only mentioned about it :) im intelligent enough to know when i need it ill sign up, doesnt mean i cant moan about it occasionally Sep 02 12:10:26 im english, i like to moan, infact i think its going to be one of the new events at the 2012 olympics Sep 02 12:10:41 Along with queuing Sep 02 12:10:58 oh yer jaffa Sep 02 12:13:26 * lcuk goes properly now, busy afternoon ahead Sep 02 12:19:20 Hrm, guess I'm gonna miss the sprint today. Sep 02 12:30:35 * qwerty12_N800 lunges at bootchart with a fucking knife Sep 02 12:31:50 A fucking knife? How amorous. :P Sep 02 12:32:04 :P Sep 02 12:32:21 It kept hanging the boot >.< Sep 02 12:39:31 Hi ! Sep 02 12:39:48 I ve just see that google will release a browser today ... Sep 02 12:44:49 Hi, guenther. Sep 02 12:45:39 General, heya. Sep 02 12:47:07 Stskeeps: what is inside a bootchart tgz? Sep 02 12:48:14 GAN800: Progressing through your website/bugzilla bugs. It would kind of help if you stop spotting new issues. ;) Sep 02 12:49:47 qwerty12_N800: stats and such Sep 02 12:50:00 doesnt matter really, the java thing tar zxfs it Sep 02 12:51:05 Stskeeps: Mind giving me a list of the files? I've got files made by bootchart but no tgz to go with it and i was wondering if these are the right files :) Sep 02 12:57:03 guenther, just file the new ones to /dev/null? ;) Sep 02 12:57:59 hehe Sep 02 12:58:30 * GAN8001 waits for the tablet to get itself out of retard-mode. Sep 02 12:59:23 Actually, I like those bugs. And it's good someone out there spots the wrong branding and stuff. Sep 02 13:00:10 Prepare for the suffering when things get rolling on the new look. ;) Sep 02 13:00:26 Though that's zero progress so far Sep 02 13:00:35 hopefully somebody'll kick off some discussion at the Summit. Sep 02 13:01:05 darn you nokia, you got me using fingers on the tablet now Sep 02 13:01:27 oh, yeah, a new look will be lots of work... Sep 02 13:01:31 God damn sfdisk Sep 02 13:01:37 It makes my brain hurt Sep 02 13:02:36 ~lart render.bootchart.org Sep 02 13:02:36 * infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at render.bootchart.org Sep 02 13:03:36 GAN8001: parted port exists too Sep 02 13:03:39 less braindamage Sep 02 13:03:46 Stskeeps is it in Extras? Sep 02 13:04:28 no, because i am not inclined to go through that process. but it's at http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/parted.deb Sep 02 13:04:48 cfdisk is also there, which is okay too :P Sep 02 13:06:41 also it's a bit of a hacky package so it would never make it through autobuilder as it doesn't 100% compile on scratchbox Sep 02 13:07:29 Stskeeps: automate the hacks in debian/rules :p Sep 02 13:08:24 qwerty12_N800: pft. i'm a dpkg-deb --build man Sep 02 13:08:24 :P Sep 02 13:08:35 syntatic sugar are for wussies! Sep 02 13:09:08 dpkg-buildpackage ftw :p. i just use dpkg-deb to repack a file :p Sep 02 13:09:27 * jott reveals Stskeeps hidden fetish for using .install files Sep 02 13:10:15 hehe. the .install files are only because people wanted them :P Sep 02 13:12:17 qwerty12_N800: if i was to put bootchartd on maemo i'd use my linuxrc hack, which would run sbin/bootchartd instead, and change the target directory to somewhere else than /tmp Sep 02 13:12:58 * qwerty12_N800 will upload my bootchart of maemo booting using bash 3.2.39 and maemo booting using dash in an hour. I know you all cant wait... Sep 02 13:13:01 target directory to somewhere else than /tmp borism Sep 02 13:13:05 hups Sep 02 13:13:27 Stskeeps: the way i've got it working is pretty fucked anyway :/ Sep 02 13:13:35 * jott calms down his fingers on the mouse Sep 02 13:14:04 it saves in /bootchart, no tgz and no header file Sep 02 13:14:18 qwerty12_N800: maemo booting with dash vs busybox could be interesting Sep 02 13:15:09 Stskeeps: yer, but i don't want to resymlink busybox back to sh :p Sep 02 13:18:01 Hi, sjgadsby. Sep 02 13:18:09 Hello. Sep 02 13:18:40 It appears my N800 died on its charger last night. Sep 02 13:18:54 Bricked or no battery? Sep 02 13:19:14 I've tried two batteries and three chargers, and it shows no signs of life. Sep 02 13:19:41 odd Sep 02 13:20:07 sjgadsby: Was it running diablo? Sep 02 13:20:13 Yep. Sep 02 13:20:33 You didn't overwrite NOLO, did you? :P Sep 02 13:20:37 That counts out the messed bootloader then :/ Sep 02 13:20:56 Heh. No. I haven't played with NOLO. Sep 02 13:21:22 I haven't even set it to boot off an SD card. Sep 02 13:22:21 * GAN8001 isn't sure how he should feel about having to use his N800 to partition and format an SD card for the Beagle. Sep 02 13:23:12 GAN8001: good? :) Sep 02 13:23:34 sjgadsby, power spike during the night? are other devices in the house flashing/been reset? Sep 02 13:23:34 I have a feeling I may end up using Deblet it install Debian to it, too. . . . Sep 02 13:23:41 Not entirely sure how that'll work out, though. Sep 02 13:24:33 GAN8001: you might as well debootstrap raw debian.. much of the deblet stuff is because of tablet support Sep 02 13:24:57 (if you're speaking of the beagle) Sep 02 13:25:02 lcuk: I thought of that, but there were no storms last night, the charger was connected to a surge suppressor, and none of the devices in the house that go funny at the smallest power flicker were needing to be reset this morning. Sep 02 13:25:32 Warranty? Sep 02 13:26:02 No, I bought it in Jan/Feb of 2007. Sep 02 13:26:06 sjgadsby, oooer ok then, and i gather no signs of life does infact mean you see and hear nothing from the device no matter what you do Sep 02 13:26:21 Doesn't sound good. Sep 02 13:26:23 not a flicker or a whirr or a humm Sep 02 13:26:36 Blue LED is the thing to watch out for. Sep 02 13:26:40 Though I really wouldn't recommend it and have never tried it, some report success by shoving it in a freezer... Sep 02 13:26:45 Stskeeps are u there? Sep 02 13:27:01 lcuk: Nothing. The LED never lights, the screen never shows anything. The screen backlight doesn't even turn on. Sep 02 13:27:07 qwerty12_N800, that would be the timing issue with pre-51-3 Sep 02 13:27:21 sjgadsby, well, I'd start by leaving it on the charger for at least 8 hours. Sep 02 13:27:31 If nothing after that, sounds like it's time to replace. . . . Sep 02 13:27:36 sjgadsby, then i think you might need to look into qwerty12_N800's suggestion Sep 02 13:27:37 Italodance: sortof Sep 02 13:27:55 as much as it pains me, out of warranty and totally dead - what else can you do... Sep 02 13:28:03 Stskeeps http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1228840/ Original Air Date:2 September 2008 (Season 1, Episode 1) ??????? Sep 02 13:28:11 are u sure watched it? Sep 02 13:28:22 nolo == embarrassing btw ;) Sep 02 13:28:24 so it will be on the scene today! Sep 02 13:28:25 :) Sep 02 13:28:28 Italodance: no, i haven't watched the sequel and i kinda don't want to Sep 02 13:28:28 :P Sep 02 13:28:32 GAN8001: Yeah, I have it sitting on the USB charger now (it was on the A/C charger last night). It's charging (maybe?) the battery that wasn't in it last night. Sep 02 13:29:01 sjgadsby, where boutrs in the world are you? Sep 02 13:29:12 lcuk: Pennsylvania, USA. Sep 02 13:29:47 whats the weather been like, no chance of an ovenright shower pissin all over your machine or something like that? Sep 02 13:29:50 sjgadsby: Are you good with hacking hardware? Sep 02 13:30:31 lcuk: The weather has been beautiful. No rain. Sep 02 13:31:01 apart from the sole teardrop falling from your eye upon the sight of your dead nokia Sep 02 13:32:08 qwerty12_N800: I have a continuity tester, a digital multimeter, and a soldering iron, and I was in an electronic kit building club in high school, but no, beyond "oh look, that wire's clearly disconnected" I'm no hardware guy. Sep 02 13:32:32 check the output from thee battery Sep 02 13:32:33 sjgadsby: ah ok :/ Sep 02 13:32:38 take out of device Sep 02 13:32:58 i hope i never have to have a conversation like this Sep 02 13:33:33 crap, bbl Sep 02 13:33:39 lcuk: I'll grab my multimeter and whatnot at lunch. I've nothing here at work. Sep 02 13:36:20 Maybe that DealExtreme USB charger that melted down a few months back did do some damage. Heh. Sep 02 13:37:41 could just be a dead battery, I think my N810 didnt turn on at all without the battery in Sep 02 13:37:51 as in, even with the carger plugged in :) Sep 02 13:37:56 +h Sep 02 13:37:57 Yeah, but several dead batteries? Sep 02 13:38:21 oh Sep 02 13:38:52 Urg, you really need the diablo-sdk repo for Deblet, Stskeeps? Sep 02 13:39:38 GAN8001: i wish i didn't, sec, lemme just see what package it was for Sep 02 13:39:42 sjgadsby: the tablets are pretty resilient. i connected my n800 to the xbox with a really dodgy usb 2 joypad converter, usb still works fine. connected my n800 to the plug using a really dodgy nokia charger made from splicing the end of the new charger connector onto the plug of an old nokia charger. charging still works. Sep 02 13:40:35 Why does nupgrade.sh never want to participate when I actually want to use it? . . . Sep 02 13:41:28 qwerty12_N800: Yes, I'm hoping that leaving it on a different charger with a different battery will bring it back. If not, it'll be time to try the whole ritual sacrifice thing. Sep 02 13:43:29 GAN8001: ah - because of binutils Sep 02 13:43:33 that's why we need it Sep 02 13:43:49 * liri has to port netbsd 3.X kernel code/modules to linux 2.4 Sep 02 13:43:59 aewww, such a lousy job :p Sep 02 13:48:34 wow Sep 02 13:48:39 The Deblet installer is quite impressive. Sep 02 13:49:27 Stskeeps: that reminds me, can i still use my own bootmenu.conf entries with your initfs. Sep 02 13:49:34 s/./? Sep 02 13:49:46 sorry to be a prick about it Sep 02 13:52:53 qwerty12_N800: yeah, you may need to edit it a bit Sep 02 13:52:59 you can always make *.items yourself Sep 02 13:53:04 it's damn easy Sep 02 13:53:38 * GAN8001 hadn't touched Debian since johnx's last tgz release. Sep 02 13:54:10 I should pick up another 16GB card and partition it out to have lots of interesting things to boot from. Sep 02 13:54:32 ok, cool, atm, i have an entry which triggers the framebuffer to automatically refresh and inserts modules to see the boot log and i don't want yo lose that :) Sep 02 13:54:34 we also support boot-from-file on vfat btw Sep 02 13:54:46 I really don't know netbsd, would be nice if anyone here has/had some experience Sep 02 13:54:47 s/yo/to/ Sep 02 13:54:47 qwerty12_N800 meant: ok, cool, atm, i have an entry which triggers the framebuffer to automatically refresh and inserts modules to see the boot log and i don't want to lose that :) Sep 02 13:55:26 qwerty12_N800: else it's a matter of editing bootmenu.conf and simply adding entries and increasing the counter Sep 02 13:56:07 So, folks, we're down to less than 24 hours to submit your community council candidacy announcements. Sep 02 13:56:20 We've got 6 people now, which means only one person can lose. Sep 02 13:56:29 Anybody want to step up? Sep 02 13:56:35 qwerty12_N800: take a look at bootmenu.conf if you haven't already :) Sep 02 13:57:51 Stskeeps: cool, will do. i'll resize my ext2 partition and reinstall debian later! :) Sep 02 13:58:13 Do I NEED to install the Deblet bootmenu? Sep 02 13:58:36 GAN8001: I'm a little disappointed that more didn't put themselves forward :( Sep 02 13:58:49 GAN8001: it's the best experience, but the stuff to boot from normal bootmenu is still in the init scripts Sep 02 13:59:37 also imho it's better to write .item files in /etc/bootmenu.d and refresh-bootmenu.d, instead of a static bootmenu conf, but that's just me Sep 02 14:00:02 sjgadsby, might you consider putting in a nomination? Sep 02 14:00:33 bbl making food Sep 02 14:00:42 GAN8001: Hmm? A nomination? Sep 02 14:01:48 For yourself. ;) Sep 02 14:01:49 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/community_council_election.html Sep 02 14:15:59 Pandora got a bit more expensive. . . . Sep 02 14:19:43 GAN8001: yeah :/ I started using last.fm in preparation for pandora's death <_< Sep 02 14:19:46 ack bbl, late Sep 02 14:20:10 lol, i think pandora as in console :p Sep 02 14:20:14 lol Sep 02 14:20:21 lol Sep 02 14:20:23 When I say Pandora, I NEVER mean the music service. ;) Sep 02 14:20:25 yeah realized that Sep 02 14:20:30 hehe Sep 02 14:20:43 I think Pandora as in Amiga 500 game :P Sep 02 14:20:45 its gonna take a bit for me to NOT think of the music service Sep 02 14:21:29 * qwerty12_N800 uses Bittorrent + Gnutella as my music service Sep 02 14:31:11 how much is the Pandora going to be now? Sep 02 14:31:19 £199 Sep 02 14:31:25 ~$350-$400 Sep 02 14:31:42 Wasn't it supose to be out like last month Sep 02 14:31:54 It was supposed to ship in April. Sep 02 14:32:07 Now we're looking at December. Sep 02 14:32:15 lol they are trying to be like a big company I guess lol Sep 02 14:32:20 I hate that Karel has made me feel good about Pandora delays. . . . Sep 02 14:33:24 how did you make you feel good about delays? Sep 02 14:33:42 pandora the band? Sep 02 14:34:21 His neverending line of bullshit has ingrained a kneejerk negative response towards the Pandora in me. Sep 02 14:34:28 ahahaha Sep 02 14:34:30 oups Sep 02 14:34:32 ShadowJK, what do you think? Sep 02 14:34:37 no idea Sep 02 14:34:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console) Sep 02 14:34:47 oh, a console? Sep 02 14:34:50 I didn't know :-) Sep 02 14:35:34 lol I don't know what would be worst the fast that everyone things my Nokia is a phone or the fact that everyone is going to thing Pandora is a Nintendo DS :) Sep 02 14:35:56 If you never heard of a pandora then youdno't know Karel Sep 02 14:36:10 who's karel Sep 02 14:36:11 Its the only thing he talks about it seems Sep 02 14:36:41 I'm not sure how he thinks it's going to kill the tablets Sep 02 14:36:47 since it doesn't even ship with an OS. Sep 02 14:37:13 and the OMAP3530 bootloader is in a state enough that getting one on it is somewhat time consuming. Sep 02 14:38:01 GAN8001 thats the best part its so cool it doens't need an OS Sep 02 14:38:54 well as long thers sw for it.. Sep 02 14:39:35 You can get Debian or Ubuntu or Angstrom on it without much trouble. Sep 02 14:43:33 GAN800: does we know the life battery time of the current proto device ? Sep 02 14:43:57 ~10hrs they say Sep 02 14:44:13 yep ... "they" Sep 02 14:44:30 but noone not a from pandora have try a prototype yet ? Sep 02 14:45:06 yep, that's about the size of it Sep 02 14:45:20 if it like UMPC when Microsoft talk about it ... Around 10 Hours ... Sep 02 14:45:36 it s seems not to use the same referential time than us ... Sep 02 14:45:42 it may well be true, stick a big battery in, etc Sep 02 14:46:00 s/not to/they not use Sep 02 14:46:01 what does the N810 manage? 3hrs of use? Sep 02 14:46:11 lardman: more Sep 02 14:46:16 lardman: depending of use Sep 02 14:46:17 lardman: huhu really more Sep 02 14:46:26 i ll say 4 hours of videos Sep 02 14:46:36 I can get 5 hours doing GPS Sep 02 14:46:36 yeah, something like that indeed Sep 02 14:46:41 yeah, mine lasts ages, I can't remember what they said the 10hrs was doing Sep 02 14:46:44 and 12 hours at least in wifi surfing the web Sep 02 14:47:33 I have anice battery pack for mine now so I don't remember last time it was dead Sep 02 14:47:38 which repository will give me a x11-dev package? Sep 02 14:47:59 andrewfblack: well, i don't let mine go dead :) Sep 02 14:48:08 `battery low' -> run to power outlet Sep 02 14:49:06 PauloZanoni: the standard maemo one used for scratchbox Sep 02 14:49:13 I presume Sep 02 14:50:33 lardman: I just wanted to do a "gcc -lX11 -lXtst" inside the device (not on any other machine or test environment) Sep 02 14:51:04 PauloZanoni: well add the standard repo which is used by the ARM scratchbox target Sep 02 14:53:37 lardman: thx. I'll try to find its url =) Sep 02 14:54:14 I would tell you but I'm on a Windows box atm, sorry Sep 02 14:55:25 PauloZanoni: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6 Sep 02 15:03:51 qwerty12: thanks! =) Sep 02 15:06:56 someone know lorelei ? Sep 02 15:07:02 an itt member Sep 02 15:07:08 does he come on #maemo ? Sep 02 15:07:47 sounds like a girl ;) Sep 02 15:09:11 ~seen lorelei Sep 02 15:09:23 laggy bot Sep 02 15:09:29 lorelei was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 618d 2h 3m 7s ago, saying: 'sorry, I am busy to watch tv'. Sep 02 15:09:43 wow Sep 02 15:09:54 woah, infobot is a perv Sep 02 15:09:55 That's one long tv watching session Sep 02 15:10:08 * Stskeeps tries installing upstart on deblet and see how it blows up Sep 02 15:10:14 qwerty12: why perv? Sep 02 15:10:24 qwerty12: stalker-y? Sep 02 15:10:35 aquatix: it keeps track of people that haven't been seen in about ~2 years :p Sep 02 15:10:43 ah :) Sep 02 15:10:44 scary, it booted Sep 02 15:10:49 Stskeeps: worked for me in maemo, just shutting down would hang :D Sep 02 15:12:43 * aquatix -> home Sep 02 15:15:10 lol Sep 02 15:15:25 ~seen ibot Sep 02 15:15:27 ibot is currently on #bzflag (1d 12h 42m 23s) #iteam (1d 12h 42m 23s) ##bspress (1d 12h 42m 23s) #brlcad (1d 12h 42m 23s) #handhelds (1d 12h 42m 23s) #utah (1d 12h 42m 23s) #oe (1d 12h 42m 23s) #zaurus (1d 12h 42m 23s) #gllug (1d 12h 42m 23s) #pillbox (1d 12h 42m 23s) #handhelds-gpe (1d 12h 42m 23s) #openzaurus (1d 12h 42m 23s) #silvercat (1d 12h 42m ... Sep 02 15:17:17 is there any numbers how many people are running maemo mapper on the tablets? Sep 02 15:19:26 how to count? Sep 02 15:19:36 maybe downloads? Sep 02 15:20:00 well. I have no idea how many tablets are out there Sep 02 15:20:03 Stskeeps: replaced sh with dash, maemo-launcher init script is not compatible with it >.<. But the rest is all good and it does seem to be booting faster. let me change maemo-launcher script back to busybox sh. Sep 02 15:22:03 dance! Sep 02 15:27:26 * sp3000 sees "Closing old moreinfo bugs in Maemo Bugzilla" Sep 02 15:28:07 * sp3000 wonders what additional information such closing adds to the bugs Sep 02 15:28:29 * timeless notes it's very informative Sep 02 15:28:41 I suppose it's ok if not applied too liberally Sep 02 15:29:21 and, hm, moreinfo is manual Sep 02 15:29:34 yeah, that should be ok as long as it's not an essay Sep 02 15:29:54 * sp3000 got kneejerk expi rash on first sight Sep 02 15:47:51 someone know if abiword stock a reference to an inserted image or if the image is stored in the file itself Sep 02 15:47:55 ? Sep 02 15:48:05 qwerty12: heh, i have a negative effect on deblet when using upstart, that's interesting Sep 02 15:48:16 then again nothing is really dependancy-based Sep 02 15:48:47 Heh, atm, I'm fixing scripts that don't like being run by dash >.< Sep 02 15:48:56 maemo-launcher and ke-recv are 2 so far Sep 02 15:50:44 bashisms? Sep 02 15:51:24 Seems like it, but busybox's ash runs them fine :/ Sep 02 15:51:41 stuff like = and == or? Sep 02 15:52:29 I can't be bothered to go through the scripts again so ones that are not compatible with dash, I make the 1st line be: #!/bin/busybox sh (on my N800, /bin/sh --> /bin/bash) Sep 02 15:53:07 *nod* Sep 02 15:55:08 I'll set up upstart now :>. My maemo deb is .2.0 out of date. Plus I need to fix it hanging on shutdown Sep 02 15:55:52 *nod* Sep 02 15:58:47 * Stskeeps wonders how to speed up debian Sep 02 16:00:47 g'day. Can anyone point me to documentation/example for "maemo-version", assuming this is what I need to detect platform/version for conditional compile? Sep 02 16:10:28 Hmm, not many last minute council nominations Sep 02 16:11:47 Stskeeps: btw, you know like we have to compile statically for initfs? I saw this: http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ and I wondered if we could get smaller static binaries with it than with uclibc? Sep 02 16:12:12 Jaffa: how long left? Sep 02 16:14:27 lardman: erm, 23:59 UTC so about 5 hours or so? Sep 02 16:14:34 Right, have emailed the list as per the instructions Sep 02 16:15:06 cu chaps later Sep 02 16:15:24 lardman|gone: ah, cool - thanks Sep 02 16:21:24 Stskeeps: dash isn't that useful on a tablet, it's missing the builtin source command which is quite vital. osso-system-ui has messed up locales (i.e it won't say shutdown, offline mode etc) Sep 02 16:28:40 Sooo....about that new internet tablet that's coming out.... Sep 02 16:30:34 lcuk: when you say debiantools, do you mean debianutils? Sep 02 16:31:19 Knowledge, do you know something I don't? Sep 02 16:31:29 Nah, I was hoping someone else did.... Sep 02 16:31:31 damn it Sep 02 16:31:41 qwerty12: k Sep 02 16:32:12 Knowledge, just do like i do: stalk itt forums and engadget.com Sep 02 16:32:25 if you want to be more complete follow a couple more tech sites Sep 02 16:32:34 Stskeeps: it will probably do wonders when debian crew use it officially but atm, it's incompatible osso-af which is quite vital :/ Sep 02 16:32:41 one of those places will know about it as soon there's something to know about? Sep 02 16:33:43 I hope Sep 02 16:34:13 s/about?/about :)/ Sep 02 16:34:14 johnx meant: one of those places will know about it as soon there's something to know about :) Sep 02 16:34:26 I really don't know where that "?" came from O_o Sep 02 16:35:43 * Khertan_n810 just discover how using gtk and thread isn t really safe Sep 02 16:36:52 johnx: is lxde compatible with let's say nm-applet and extensible regarding adding stuff to panels and such? (if i was to make a more "stable" standard environment than nit-env-stskeeps) Sep 02 16:37:21 Stskeeps, I'm pretty sure it has a systray Sep 02 16:37:23 and how does on screen kbd go with it, if at all? Sep 02 16:38:05 Stskeeps, The window manager is openbox. I need to play with my config a bit before I'm happy I think... Sep 02 16:38:29 Stskeeps, also, have you seen the alternate layout for matchbox-keyboard? Sep 02 16:38:36 nop? screenshots? Sep 02 16:39:01 Stskeeps, in a couple minutes. :) Sep 02 16:39:26 my main experience with m-k is that in some wm's it fits in nicely in the bottom and in others it becomes a window, which goes amok if tried to be resized:P Sep 02 16:39:47 openbox is pretty configurable Sep 02 16:40:29 it has nice support for matching window names/classes and performing actions on certain windows, i.e. maximize, don't decorate, resize, place here Sep 02 16:41:03 *nod* Sep 02 16:42:53 Stskeeps, did you see my screenshot last night? Sep 02 16:47:20 gah @ isp Sep 02 16:47:48 I need to play with the way matchbox keyboard gets treated... Sep 02 16:48:01 johnx: no, but i'll look at the maemo irc logs Sep 02 16:48:51 ah - yes, i saw that one Sep 02 16:48:55 (new-screenie2) Sep 02 16:48:59 yeah Sep 02 16:49:07 looks good - you force all apps to be fullscreen or? Sep 02 16:49:22 they're just maximized with their titlebar hidden by default Sep 02 16:49:43 well, or automatically maximized Sep 02 16:49:45 k Sep 02 16:49:48 You can get the titlebar back and resize as you see fit on a case-by-case basis Sep 02 16:50:05 looks good Sep 02 16:50:12 does lxde do libgtkstylus or? Sep 02 16:50:16 yup Sep 02 16:50:31 and it's a heck of a lot lighter than xfce Sep 02 16:50:50 I have it on my zaurus now too :) Sep 02 16:50:58 if you get bored, nit-env-lxde is still up for grabs ;) Sep 02 16:51:15 I'll see how far I can get tonight Sep 02 16:51:22 since deblet definately needs a just as functional environment as beta3 did Sep 02 16:51:48 so you're having good results with nm-applet? Sep 02 16:52:18 i'm not confident it's nm's fault there's occasional unstable wifi or not Sep 02 16:52:28 other deblet users prefer other ones Sep 02 16:52:59 well, deblet is the distro for people who want to paint the shed a different color :D Sep 02 16:53:09 hehe Sep 02 16:53:59 ok, openbox does not love matchbox-keyboard...I just need to find out why... Sep 02 16:56:08 qwerty12, more than likely, yes Sep 02 16:56:47 lcuk: ahh, because I've got debianutils installed on my tablet for dialog Sep 02 16:57:25 I used a dirty hack to install it but I may be able to clean it up Sep 02 17:01:43 ~seen brontide Sep 02 17:01:48 brontide is currently on #maemo (2d 19h 26m 22s). Has said a total of 58 messages. Is idling for 13h 33m 55s, last said: 'GAN8001: I'll look it over but with my schedule I doubt I'll get any real headway on another project. Most of my problems is because .deb packages are very foreign to me'. Sep 02 17:04:44 * qwerty12 waits for mkfs.jffs2 to churn an jffs2 backup of my rootfs... Sep 02 17:06:13 qwerty12, when did you start using Linux? Sep 02 17:06:25 johnx: johnx! :P Sep 02 17:06:26 (random question, out of curiosity) Sep 02 17:06:31 rm_you, :D Sep 02 17:06:43 qwerty12: remind me when you turn adult to hire you if i have a company :P Sep 02 17:07:00 rm_you, how go things? and stuff? Sep 02 17:07:25 johnx: about a month after I got my tablet, which was around last year. I'd read tons of linux books before that and had used linux before that but I wasn't serious then :) Sep 02 17:07:27 Stskeeps: :) Sep 02 17:08:36 doing pratice to learn is the best thing to do Sep 02 17:09:07 qwerty12: you should set up a donation box, when i was 15 i actually got quite a decent amount of donations in from my work on my irc daemon Sep 02 17:09:08 look at me ... i ve never write a line of python before i get my nit Sep 02 17:09:08 :) Sep 02 17:09:28 johnx: things and stuff happen. i mentioned we got a neko, i believe... it is very cute :) and starting up classes and things Sep 02 17:09:49 Stskeeps: you are lucky i never get donation for kmeteos Sep 02 17:09:51 kmeteo Sep 02 17:09:58 rm_you, did you get the computer situation figured out better? Sep 02 17:10:04 except a nice bill from my web host Sep 02 17:10:14 working on routing two internet connections together through one linux box Sep 02 17:10:19 Stskeeps: Wow. I'm not inclined to work for donations :) (though I do want money in my real job when I get one obviously :D) Sep 02 17:10:30 i have a 24port gigabit managed switch :P Sep 02 17:10:30 qwerty12: oh, i don't work for the donations, they just help Sep 02 17:10:34 Khertan_n810: Cool, what did you used to program in? Sep 02 17:10:35 Khertan_n810: i've always managed to get free hosting from people.. perk of it being irc :P Sep 02 17:11:00 which send me a 200 dollars bill for bandwith limit Sep 02 17:11:18 45000 download the same day Sep 02 17:11:34 qwerty12: but if we count donations since i was 15 i think i've gotten atleast ~1500 usd over time Sep 02 17:11:39 for a bloody ircd Sep 02 17:11:49 huhu Sep 02 17:11:50 and that doesn't count hosting Sep 02 17:12:12 Stskeeps: that reminds me as I'm doing this, if I did make bootmenu support backing up mtdblock4, I'd have to shove a notice in to remind people to turn on rd mode >.< Sep 02 17:12:22 i don t get a donation i get a bill (i ve paid 200 euros) Sep 02 17:12:24 Stskeeps: shit, ~$1500!?! Sep 02 17:12:31 and leave them 5 min after Sep 02 17:12:37 qwerty12: 10 dollar per user does add up Sep 02 17:12:52 (or more, what they choose to donate) Sep 02 17:13:00 heh, that's brilliant :) Sep 02 17:13:13 hum maybe i ll get some donation for mCalendar ? Sep 02 17:13:21 hihi ... i don t believe Sep 02 17:13:36 but I don't really have anything to call my own, I just compile other people's programs and search for little hacks Sep 02 17:14:01 Khertan_n810: if you have happy users and it's non-intrusive that you're asking for donations, it might come Sep 02 17:14:26 qwerty12: i've gotten 100$ for setting up an ircd on a shell account, don't underestimate the hacks :P Sep 02 17:14:30 what do you mean by 'non-intrusive' ? Sep 02 17:14:41 Stskeeps: lol Sep 02 17:16:18 * Khertan_n810 his happy ... mCalendar gui is now better, sync log and multi calendar sync are debugged Sep 02 17:16:58 and tomorrow i ll try to do a real ui for mContacts Sep 02 17:17:15 Khertan_n810: my donation method is basically a paypal button on home page, putting donator name in the credits of programs and a text file stating that "we give you this program for free, but we put a lot of effort, time and money into making this program. If you appreciate this program, you can donate , - anything will do" :P Sep 02 17:17:30 i've gotten weird hardware at some point too, but it -did- help :P Sep 02 17:17:30 brontide: are you here ? Sep 02 17:19:45 Stskeeps: hum used the same method in the past without success Sep 02 17:19:50 * rm_you goes to pay rent Sep 02 17:20:17 Khertan_n810: you're doing the right thing with mcalendar atleast, you seem to be involved with your users Sep 02 17:20:33 then again, i also did support for people quite often, which increased donations Sep 02 17:21:10 I really wonder when I'll find time this semester to do the control panel applet portion of ABL <_< Sep 02 17:21:11 :) Sep 02 17:21:24 qwerty12: "If you appreciate my work and would like to show it, there's a donation box . Anything will do". I'd actually donate :P Sep 02 17:22:03 Stskeeps: Heh, lol, thanks :) Sep 02 17:22:17 Stskeeps: i m trying to do a usefull calendar app for maemo Sep 02 17:22:25 but in the end it comes down to that with OSS projects - I get more money off working per week than i get in half a year of donations Sep 02 17:22:31 Khertan_n810: which is bloody needed Sep 02 17:22:41 i found that maemo lack from a good calendar Sep 02 17:23:01 Khertan_n810: truth Sep 02 17:23:02 great, my rootfs finally dumped, now I can start testing upstart :> Sep 02 17:23:11 i would be happy with a decent ical viewer Sep 02 17:23:14 i tried to use gpe calendar, but it is only soso Sep 02 17:23:28 same things for contacts app Sep 02 17:24:09 personnaly i found that using gpe is a real pain Sep 02 17:24:23 interface isn t designed for maemo Sep 02 17:24:26 quote of the day: "and your deblet installer has more dependencies than a sociopath." Sep 02 17:24:49 and alarm need that pe work in background Sep 02 17:25:40 * rm_you goes to pay rent, *really* Sep 02 17:25:46 hehe Sep 02 17:25:55 automatically transfered through my netbank here Sep 02 17:25:56 :P Sep 02 17:27:19 self.bp_autosync = self.wTree.get_widget("bp_autosync" Sep 02 17:27:24 ouch sorry Sep 02 17:31:30 canola can't play videos/music over nfs/sabma yet right? Sep 02 17:31:51 UPnP is better. Sep 02 17:32:31 what does canola look for to identify images, cos it cant find anything even though i have stuff on my drives? Sep 02 17:32:40 liri: You may be able to mount your smb share and add it to the scanned dirs. Sep 02 17:32:47 You have to add search directories. Sep 02 17:32:57 qwerty12_N800: you happen to know if there's any stuff like blkid to get UUIDs in initfs? Sep 02 17:33:01 GAN8001: : does it support upnp? Sep 02 17:33:10 liri, yes. . . . Sep 02 17:33:16 (from block partitions) Sep 02 17:33:21 ahhhh gan, ill go hunting Sep 02 17:33:22 qwerty12_N800: well that's the alternative Sep 02 17:33:28 streaming video is like using a fat16 to write a 4Go file ! Sep 02 17:33:42 GAN8001: ahh nice, but I don't know if mythtv supports that and how Sep 02 17:33:53 It should Sep 02 17:33:57 along with transcoding. Sep 02 17:34:44 Stskeeps: no idea, sorry. if busybox has the feature, compile that statically. i'll compile a blkid binary tomorrow Sep 02 17:35:34 *nod* Sep 02 17:36:02 Khertan: finished with nNotes already? :-) Sep 02 17:36:09 qwerty12_N800: i'm just thinking it could prolly be better for a bootmenu to look for UUIDs instead of block devices.. so people can switch sd cards etc and we can tell them no such partition etc ;) Sep 02 17:36:20 i still wonder if dietlibc is smaller than uclibb Sep 02 17:36:26 * GAN8001 is off Sep 02 17:36:31 Have fun with the Sprint. ;) Sep 02 17:36:31 Stskeeps: hehe Sep 02 17:36:50 Khertan: I'm just enjoying bugging you, ignore my comments. Is there a way I can help though? Sep 02 17:37:45 Khertan_n810: your screenshots on http://khertan.net/mcalendar/mcalendar.php are broken btw Sep 02 17:38:47 the css too Sep 02 17:38:56 where do you get this url ? Sep 02 17:39:02 the right is : http://khertan.net/mcalendar.php Sep 02 17:39:25 was referred to it from garage project Sep 02 17:39:55 hum ... it s sad Sep 02 17:40:38 Khertan: when it "syncs" to google calendar, does it download all calendar items? Sep 02 17:40:48 nope Sep 02 17:40:58 it do it the first time Sep 02 17:41:15 but after i just look at the updated one Sep 02 17:41:19 Is there any way to flash a n810 without a USB cable? Sep 02 17:41:34 ToyKeeper: internally from tablet, maybe Sep 02 17:42:02 Khertan: but still, is there a way to limit it to download from date x to date y? Sep 02 17:42:25 Just curious; I got one slightly used and everything except the cable is included. Not sure if I need to go buy one. Sep 02 17:42:43 it's a fairly standard usb cable afaik Sep 02 17:42:53 Yeah, it's just a size I don't have. Sep 02 17:43:07 toykeeper, ive used about 3 times - twice for flashing, and once to play with a usb keyboard (before going out getting a bt one) Sep 02 17:43:17 used mine ^ Sep 02 17:43:19 Stskeeps: thx for the broken link Sep 02 17:43:20 i ve just updated garage Sep 02 17:43:38 Yeah, I don't expect to use it much. But I do want to flash it once in a while. Sep 02 17:44:06 ToyKeeper, get yourself a replacement from nokia or elsewhere then Sep 02 17:44:27 :) Sep 02 17:45:31 so what does people think about bounty-based projects? having a base project, and then if X people put in a bounty (money) for a certain feature to be added, and developer Y implements feature, users X agrees this is what they wanted and the money then flows to developer Y? Sep 02 17:46:32 Khertan: so what about that calendar sync? I'm asking because I use like 10 calendars altogether and they're pretty large. I wouldn't want to be downloading hundreds of megabyte worth of data (even if it's one time). Sep 02 17:47:53 Stskeeps, thats the way it should be :) once a developer begins taking in outside requests to do code he himself would not undertake on his own back, his time should be compensated - OSS doesnt prevent that, it just gives more people the opportunity to assist Sep 02 17:48:53 i'm looking a bit at http://micropledge.com/ Sep 02 17:48:55 seems interesting Sep 02 17:48:55 Stskeeps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Performer_Protocol ;) Sep 02 17:49:52 I am happy to announce a first usable demo of sayhoo (a "find your route with a rentabike in paris" application) :-) Sep 02 17:49:59 http://sayhoo.garage.maemo.org/ Sep 02 17:55:31 it could be an interesting method to induce tablet programming atleast Sep 02 17:56:40 melmoth: sayhoo looks interesting. Where does it get it's routing data? Sep 02 17:57:42 Stskeeps, i believe there is a bounty section on the garage Sep 02 17:58:47 ah Sep 02 17:58:55 i'd never trust garage with money though :P but that's just me Sep 02 17:59:54 Stskeeps: i already recieved a bounty for a garage project :D. Sep 02 18:00:02 mikkov_: open street maps Sep 02 18:00:26 the system works :). Sep 02 18:00:46 hehe Sep 02 18:02:08 but encouraging others to pay a bounty is nice as a little incentive. Sep 02 18:16:42 ok got upnp up on mythtv, now to figure out how to get it working on canola Sep 02 18:25:55 Stskeeps: btw, mmc block numbers are funky in maemo : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 Sep 02 18:27:51 oh bloody hell Sep 02 18:27:59 -that's- what that fix is for Sep 02 18:28:19 lol, you removed it!?! Sep 02 18:28:35 no, i didn't use INT_CARD/EXT_CARD Sep 02 18:28:42 ah Sep 02 18:29:17 lol, i'll wait for you to fix before installing debian again :) Sep 02 18:31:25 Stskeeps: what partition size would you recommend for deblet? atm i've got a 2gb partition Sep 02 18:31:38 qwerty12_N800: i run with 1.8-9gb or something Sep 02 18:31:59 I guess it depends on how many things you want to compile... Sep 02 18:32:08 melmoth: so sayhoo should work in other cities than Paris too Sep 02 18:32:29 yep Sep 02 18:32:46 but, if it s bigger than paris, chances are there will be not enough ram on the tablet Sep 02 18:33:11 luckily helsinki isn't bigger than paris ;) Sep 02 18:33:40 mikkov_: you can 'easily' prepare the same for helsinky wiht the tools directory Sep 02 18:34:03 first look at feed-osm-db.py Sep 02 18:34:34 at the bottom, change the settinfs so it match a retangle containing helsinky Sep 02 18:34:55 launch it, it will download info from openstreetmap, and create the database. Sep 02 18:35:31 do the same with downloadtiles.py Sep 02 18:35:47 ok, going to try it Sep 02 18:35:59 and , then , you also need to prepare a pickle jar. with create-pickle.py Sep 02 18:36:37 the pickle jar is the graph of street and ways so that python can load it without having to compute it live again Sep 02 18:37:11 finally, i think in sayhooGlobals.py you have to tell where to start from (as far as displaying the tiles are concerned) Sep 02 18:57:54 if anyone is interested looks like google chrome is out Sep 02 18:58:10 is there an url? Sep 02 18:58:29 Anyone have a recommendation for a windiff (i.e. graphical diff) for Gnome? Sep 02 18:58:46 http://www.google.com/chrome Sep 02 18:58:54 lol, easy as that Sep 02 18:59:03 installing now Sep 02 18:59:26 got to love it it will even install on my work computer which doens't have admin access :) Sep 02 18:59:38 lardman, meld Sep 02 18:59:54 yay! windows only! woo! Sep 02 19:00:09 Juhaz: great, looks ideal :) Sep 02 19:02:14 lol well only think I have done with it so far is itt forums and the funny thing it they do seem to run better Sep 02 19:05:18 is mediaserv from mediautils supposed to be a upnp server? Sep 02 19:07:57 qwerty12-N800: damnit, now i have to refactor a hell lot of stuff to make this stuff :P Sep 02 19:08:59 Stskeeps: lol, ouch, i just thought you would have to do a sed :p Sep 02 19:09:47 Juhaz: works really well, many thanks Sep 02 19:10:21 qwerty12-N800: i wish Sep 02 19:10:36 :/ Sep 02 19:16:51 so anyone ported chrome to maemo yet? :> Sep 02 19:17:50 jott, heh...it's not even out for linux :P Sep 02 19:17:51 why? Sep 02 19:17:54 I have several libraries compiling in scratchbox and I would like to make debian packages to get them on my n810 easily - is there a good way to build them all as one super-package, or do they have to be separate ones? Sep 02 19:19:09 Heard of any fitaly keyboards for maemo? Sep 02 19:22:31 johnx: wonder what's missing :), download takes quite a while 450mb.. Sep 02 19:22:39 and only 450kb/s... Sep 02 19:22:47 450MB? Sep 02 19:22:51 seriously? Sep 02 19:24:15 the source, yes. Sep 02 19:24:40 probably includes test cases etc. Sep 02 19:25:52 i wonder if they wrote their own toolkit or if they're using xul or what... Sep 02 19:28:44 they are using webkit Sep 02 19:31:02 RST38h: that does not tell much about the toolkit used.. Sep 02 19:32:23 it lasted about 3 seconds Sep 02 19:36:45 jott: means that they are likely to have something on their own Sep 02 19:36:54 jott: my guess - javascript-based Sep 02 19:37:29 "Google Chrome relies on Apple's WebKit software for rendering Web pages, he said" -- does WebKit belong to Apple now? Sep 02 19:44:22 I need to find me a good portable IRC Client For Windows I hate using mibbit. Sep 02 19:44:47 pidgin for windows is nice Sep 02 19:45:49 I forgot it has IRC Client in it, Its already installed on my thumb drive lol Sep 02 19:49:19 yep Sep 02 19:49:26 pidgin has like everything in it :) Sep 02 19:56:19 can't get pidgin to connect to freenode.net Sep 02 19:59:13 don't - it will suck anyway Sep 02 19:59:19 get xchat Sep 02 20:00:25 I need something I can run from a USB Stick since I can't install most applications at work Sep 02 20:00:55 * lcuk makes a note to lock down usb on andrews computer tomorrow Sep 02 20:01:08 * lcuk also notes "mibbit.com" is not a work related domain Sep 02 20:01:41 yeah I have access to anywhere on web just don't have admin writes to install Sep 02 20:01:55 some things install fine some don't Sep 02 20:02:20 tell me about it, i had a tough time installing the latest botnet on my work machine Sep 02 20:03:17 the heck with it I'll just stick with mibbit Sep 02 20:04:25 * qwerty12-N800 just haxed my school computers, i install whatever Sep 02 20:04:43 mirc will run portably iirc Sep 02 20:05:20 Mirc will run but it heard it doesn't save your settings or anything that might not be write not sure Sep 02 20:05:29 Hi. any gtk+ gurus here that aren't on #gkt+? is it possible somehow to left align text (and pixmap) on a toggle button? Sep 02 20:07:01 andrewfblack, run mirc in a writable environment, get the settings as you want them Sep 02 20:07:08 then transfer to usb? Sep 02 20:11:04 Yay, pidgin is still broken in the same way as it was 5 years ago... it can't grok multiple connections to the same server. Sep 02 20:11:08 (as happens with dircproxy) Sep 02 20:11:33 re Sep 02 20:15:49 qwerty12-N800: was a bit more than sed but i think i made it now.. ugliest code of my life Sep 02 20:15:52 :P Sep 02 20:16:24 Stskeeps: w00t, great :) Sep 02 20:16:37 updating installerdeb once i've tried to boot using the resulting boot menu items Sep 02 20:16:55 cool, i want to install deblet again :) Sep 02 20:19:34 qwerty12-N800: odd question. wouldn't this bug probably also mean that there could be a situation where suddenly my indicated swap partition would change places? Sep 02 20:19:47 (and why did i just have a deja-vu about this?) Sep 02 20:20:40 Stskeeps: no idea, sorry. i only use a swap file on the tablet Sep 02 20:21:16 k Sep 02 20:21:36 i guess linux would refuse to use it if it wasnt mkswap'ed Sep 02 20:21:44 else it could potentially trash partitions Sep 02 20:23:51 is anybody using the gpe suite? Sep 02 20:24:46 RST38h: webkit was always an apple product Sep 02 20:24:55 khtml was the older upstream Sep 02 20:25:13 RST38h: it's like saying microb uses Mozilla's Gecko Sep 02 20:25:16 which it does Sep 02 20:25:45 johnx: v8 would need to be ported to arm Sep 02 20:25:57 timelyx: yes, but what about konqueror codebase? Sep 02 20:26:00 * melmoth use gpe calendar and contatcs Sep 02 20:26:21 RST38h: that's khtml last i checked Sep 02 20:26:48 timelyx: I seem to remember that Apple's Safari rendering engine is taken from konqueror Sep 02 20:27:03 well it's a matter of "respect" if you tell it's origin... Sep 02 20:27:06 timelyx: Is WebKit the same thing or something new? Sep 02 20:27:23 webkit is a fork of khtml with many changes Sep 02 20:27:25 webkit is the branding of apple's branch of khtml Sep 02 20:27:42 they did quite a lot of changes to khtml Sep 02 20:27:50 ah Sep 02 20:27:53 and expected they couldn't possibly upstream them all Sep 02 20:27:57 so it is no longer the original thing Sep 02 20:28:12 and apple can rightfully claim the ownership Sep 02 20:28:23 from day 0 they didn't expect it to be called khtml Sep 02 20:28:28 timelyx: mainly because apple did not collaborate in the development process.. :/ Sep 02 20:29:02 jott: apple like google works in secret Sep 02 20:29:06 yep. Sep 02 20:29:15 in fact, amusingly a number of the people who worked on safari and chrome Sep 02 20:29:15 well now webkit is open.. Sep 02 20:29:18 Anyone know if there's an easy way to set up scratchbox to allow chrooting? I'd like to compile a bunch of things, chroot, install them there, then rsync to my n810... making debian packages already feels unwieldy =/ Sep 02 20:29:18 used to work together on firefox Sep 02 20:29:34 dave hyatt, ben goodger, mike pinkerton Sep 02 20:29:56 Pebby: scratchboxes are chroots Sep 02 20:30:06 you can't really have another layer Sep 02 20:30:13 timelyx: I assumed as much, but I can't go in one deeper? Sep 02 20:30:59 Pebby: you can use scratchbox -t $DIR $COMMAND Sep 02 20:31:18 timelyx: Fair enough... I suppose I will just have to configure all these things I'm installing to install to some weird path then rsync to that? Sep 02 20:31:19 from your host env Sep 02 20:31:33 depends what you're really trying to do Sep 02 20:31:37 jott: sorry, I'm a big newbie with scratchbox - what's that do? Sep 02 20:31:58 Pebby: basically it's like chroot $DIR $COMMAND Sep 02 20:32:20 (not really, as $DIR is not set as root but as the dir to go to) Sep 02 20:32:26 timelyx: Well, I have several libraries I want to compile for the n810. They make tons and tons of files, and I'd like to have them all in one place so I can rsync them over to my n810 where I actually want to use them Sep 02 20:33:10 And building debian packages has been mostly frustrating to me... it seems like an unwieldy way to get my compiled stuff to the n810 too Sep 02 20:35:31 releasing first version of my newest theme tongiht Sep 02 20:35:44 Its an Xmen theme Sep 02 20:39:11 Pebby: if you are just "porting" libraries for now it is *really* better to build debian packages. Sep 02 20:43:02 ok, fwiw v8 is available for arm Sep 02 20:43:13 so in theory chrome would have some chance of working on linux-arm Sep 02 20:43:50 timelyx: well when we have some basic linux support at all :) Sep 02 20:44:54 qwerty12-N800: installerdeb 1.2-7 has fix :) Sep 02 20:45:02 would still be interesting to see how well v8 performs on arm. Sep 02 20:45:16 Stskeeps: thanks :) Sep 02 20:45:28 http://code.google.com/p/v8/ .. Sep 02 20:46:08 jott: Okay, thank you for the suggestions. I think with some scripting I can set up a nice, updating thing... of course I'm porting something that's actively being updated by other people too ;) Sep 02 20:46:27 oh, funky, v8's primarily developed 10 meters from my office Sep 02 20:46:27 <||cw> wait, google has their own browser? Sep 02 20:46:59 (recognizing some google employees) Sep 02 20:47:07 Pebby: btw i use -> alias sb='scratchbox -d "$(pwd | sed s/\\/scratchbox\\/users\\/$(whoami)//)"' Sep 02 20:47:56 so i can just prefix "sb make" when i am in the /scratchbox/user/$USER/home/$USER dir Sep 02 20:48:11 jott: nice, that's much easier than entering the environment Sep 02 20:48:15 Stskeeps: you work for google? Sep 02 20:48:37 jott: no, google has offices across the road from where i work at uni - IT cluster in town Sep 02 20:48:55 ah, k. Sep 02 20:49:34 jott: One thing I've also found is that I have to change my 'march' CFLAG from arm to armv5 when building some things under sbox... is that odd? Sep 02 20:50:15 actually it should work without it. but who knows what build system might fail :) Sep 02 20:51:40 jott: Hehe, the only info on it I could find online (it fails on a very particular thing) is that the binary wouldn't work if maemo were running on something maemo does not run on ;) Sep 02 20:56:20 i ve just tested chrome Sep 02 20:56:36 seems to be a nice browser Sep 02 21:03:11 lardman: community meeting is now? Sep 02 21:04:10 bmidgley: I think it's finished now Sep 02 21:04:27 bmidgley: just finished I think Sep 02 21:04:55 yes, just finished Sep 02 21:04:58 Someone's got a log though Sep 02 21:06:30 lardman reminder said 21:00 UTC? Sep 02 21:06:49 yes Sep 02 21:06:56 lardman anyway, good to see you on the list, you've got my vote :) Sep 02 21:06:58 It's 01:00 UTC by now. :) Sep 02 21:07:25 bmidgley: Did the offset the wrong way round? ;) Sep 02 21:07:42 err, no, wait Sep 02 21:07:45 guenther, I used "TZ=UTC date" Sep 02 21:07:49 21:00 is not UTC Sep 02 21:07:54 19:00 UTC it started Sep 02 21:08:14 oh, that reminder... On the community list by Dave? Sep 02 21:08:28 ah, announcement by Dave was off Sep 02 21:08:31 He silently assumed his local time when talking about 21:00 Sep 02 21:08:57 I finally thought I would make one! heh Sep 02 21:09:20 cheers bmidgley, I must talk to you about how to merge in DSP stuff to bluez Sep 02 21:10:29 lardman it depends... how do you build it? Sep 02 21:10:46 the arm-side stuff more than the dsp-side I was thinking Sep 02 21:10:56 no rush though Sep 02 21:11:10 is it git hosted yet? Sep 02 21:11:20 svn Sep 02 21:11:33 on Garage, dsp-sbc Sep 02 21:11:39 21 is utc Sep 02 21:11:44 21:11 Sep 02 21:12:10 currently is BST/GMT+1 22:12 Sep 02 21:14:41 lardman: you're still waiting on some details to route from the dsp, right? Sep 02 21:23:13 sigh, still can't compile this sucker... error: selected processor does not support `pld [lr,#32]` - websearching says it has something to do with some ARM related things, but I can't figure out how to get around it (or remember how I got around it last time) =/ Sep 02 21:26:15 you should select correct cpu architecture Sep 02 21:26:50 bmidgley: how do you mean route? Sep 02 21:27:17 bmidgley: the DSP task works fine, I'm not sure whether there's even a DSP-side driver for the BT hardware, assuming it's possible Sep 02 21:27:25 pld supported starting with arm5e Sep 02 21:28:36 lardman: I saw your request for dsp programming details on the ask-nokia page Sep 02 21:28:44 the question is still out there I guess Sep 02 21:29:02 bmidgley: ah yes, that's for the EAP headers, which will allow output via the audio codec Sep 02 21:29:42 RST38h: export CFLAGS="-march=arm5e" && make still fails =( Sep 02 21:29:44 bmidgley: I'm cracking on with the DSP-based tremor and mad-based mp3 decoders now, and hope to be able to keep everything on the DSP OpenMAX-style Sep 02 21:30:01 s/mad-based/mad-on-DSP Sep 02 21:30:26 lardman: Want to tackle DSP-based CELT? Sep 02 21:30:35 derf: not at the moment thanks! Sep 02 21:30:51 I think it already has code for a couple of DSP's. Sep 02 21:31:03 Not sure what would need to be modified to get it to run on the OMAP. Sep 02 21:31:10 I'm happy to help, but don't want to have to go it alone Sep 02 21:31:21 Pebby: prolly need some other flags Sep 02 21:31:41 I've got lots on at the moment, and it will just get pushed to the wayside like tremor has until now Sep 02 21:31:57 Well, we'll see if my LCA talk gets accepted... would be neat to show a demo of it running on the NIT. Sep 02 21:32:27 at least with sbc I was motivated to get my headset working, I don't even use ogg, so not too motivated (except by the thought of OpenMAX goodness) Sep 02 21:33:09 RST38h: Any good way of figuring out what flags I need? Aside from asking here/somewhere repeatedly? ;) What sucks is I swear I had it working a while ago, then sbox crashed, heh Sep 02 21:33:12 Can anyone recommend a webkit based browser for maemo? Sep 02 21:33:15 derf: do you have a link to describe CELT? Sep 02 21:33:32 http://celt-codec.org/ Sep 02 21:33:51 Pebby: what's that instruction do? Sep 02 21:34:18 Poor man's visualisation system: Take a jack-RCA cable, plug right RCA into TV audio input, left RCA into TV video input. Done Sep 02 21:34:40 lardman: Wish I could tell you... I'm just a very unknowledgeable person trying to compile someone else's code (which compiles fine on x86) Sep 02 21:35:36 if it's x86 asm, wouldn't it need to be modified for arm asm? Sep 02 21:36:32 -mcpu=arm1136j-s is the correct mcpu string for the N8x0 Sep 02 21:36:35 That's not x86-asm. Sep 02 21:36:44 it's not that, though, qwerty12-N800 Sep 02 21:36:52 bear in mind that scratchbox can't execute some of the instructions which that produces though Sep 02 21:36:57 Ah, ok, I misread. Thanks. Sep 02 21:37:16 qwerty12-N800: no, I had the same thought Sep 02 21:37:46 lardman: adding that to cflags has no effect... augh, I can't believe I didn't document what I did to get this working last week. Stupid memory =P Sep 02 21:40:31 it definitely seems like it's something unsupported by arm5e and later, as lardman said, but I can't understand why it doesn't seem to be compiling for -march=arm5e (or the other arm5's i tried) Sep 02 21:40:39 Pebby: no idea then, is PLD a real instruction on the ARM? Sep 02 21:40:49 PLD is a preload-data hint Sep 02 21:40:59 ah ok Sep 02 21:41:01 I have no freaking idea why Pebby needs it, really... Sep 02 21:41:19 But ARM5e should support it just fine, as long as you provide right compile time options Sep 02 21:41:44 lemme quickly check the options available Sep 02 21:41:57 Me neither, RST, but it certainly seems like it's missing some option I haven't discovered... don't really know where to read up to on the possible options =( Sep 02 21:42:47 lardman: from websearching, sure seems like it, just one not supported on early ARMs Sep 02 21:42:59 aha, you also want -mcpu= Sep 02 21:43:24 Pebby: that's 'armv5te' and not 'arm5e' Sep 02 21:43:38 these should really be set already in the default toolchain though Sep 02 21:43:46 ssvb: tried that as well Sep 02 21:43:47 they are Sep 02 21:43:50 hi ssvb Sep 02 21:44:01 hi lardman Sep 02 21:44:13 lardman: that's what I thought... I did a by-the-numbers install of sbox according to nokia's instructions Sep 02 21:44:33 -march=armv6j -mcpu=arm1136jfs Sep 02 21:44:35 the main non library part of my makefile is -O3 and it runs as quick as a big long specific version Sep 02 21:44:37 that's omap2 Sep 02 21:45:18 RST38: why are you keeping posting incorrect options? ;) Sep 02 21:45:32 just check 'man gcc', everything is there Sep 02 21:45:43 ssvb: I post what I find online Sep 02 21:45:51 -mcpu=arm1136j-s seems to be more correct Sep 02 21:45:56 -mcpu=arm1136jfs might be -mcpu=arm1136jf-s depending on the version of the toolchain (GCC 3 vs 4) Sep 02 21:46:13 What's even more baffling is, upon starting sbox, I can't even figure out from where it's getting those settings (used to an /etc/make.conf on gentoo, for example) Sep 02 21:46:53 Pebby: built into GCC Sep 02 21:46:53 lardman: the gcc included with the default nokia install seems to be 3.4 Sep 02 21:47:08 Pebby: you're trying to microoptimize? Sep 02 21:47:10 if so, why? Sep 02 21:47:11 lardman: Ah, so that gcc was made with all the 'correct' options? Sep 02 21:47:13 Pebby: I can't remember which is which I'm afraid Sep 02 21:47:39 timelyx: No, I'm trying to merely compile a library Sep 02 21:47:50 Pebby: yes, though the -mcpu is more generic, as qemu was not (and may still not) be able to execute some of the specific instructions for out processor Sep 02 21:48:01 timelyx: however, it will not compile by default Sep 02 21:48:04 s/out/our Sep 02 21:48:13 Pebby: you need -O1 or something Sep 02 21:48:17 lardman: the question is, what's the right -mcpu ? Sep 02 21:48:19 that's the only real requirement Sep 02 21:48:25 w/o optimization, it'll fail Sep 02 21:48:31 qemu is useless anyway Sep 02 21:48:35 Pebby: try both and see which is not flagged as being rubbish Sep 02 21:48:35 lardman: you can try to upgrade cpu transparency package and use the most recent version of qemu Sep 02 21:48:36 (the toolchain ships w/ a very lame compiler) Sep 02 21:48:53 ssvb: yep, not been an issue for me yet though Sep 02 21:48:54 Pebby: if all you want is something that builds, -O1 -g Sep 02 21:49:03 and don't do anything beyond that Sep 02 21:49:16 timelyx <-- cruel Sep 02 21:49:34 btw, GCC is not supposed to issue PLD, even with -O2 Sep 02 21:49:35 optimization is a fool's errand Sep 02 21:49:42 PLD? Sep 02 21:49:53 timelyx: He is having trouble with PLD instruction Sep 02 21:50:09 not supported by the default target cpu Sep 02 21:50:48 lardman I see what you mean about the arm code changes to bluez Sep 02 21:50:50 timelyx: that would not let it compile, since it still thinks pld isn't supported by whatever ARM it thinks it has Sep 02 21:51:11 are they in shape to push upstream? Sep 02 21:51:30 bmidgley: not sure they are in shape :D Sep 02 21:51:49 Pebby: just make sure that '-mcpu=arm1136jf-s' option is feeded to gcc when compiling the relevant file and everything will be all right Sep 02 21:51:55 bmidgley: it's a bit messy, not sure if that would be acceptable Sep 02 21:52:20 ssvb: ok, one moment... let me poke around a bit more then try that Sep 02 21:52:35 lardman I can guarantee Marcel won't accept it, but we can start looking it over :) Sep 02 21:52:44 he doesn't like anything on the first pass Sep 02 21:53:06 bmidgley: I'm happy to maintain it outside, but would be interested to hear comments on how to switch between ARM vs DSP encoding, etc. Sep 02 21:53:22 RST38h: PLD might be emitted by the compiler if you use -fprefetch-loop-arrays optimization Sep 02 21:53:36 but PLD is useless on internet tablets Sep 02 21:53:45 lardman is there any reason to prefer the arm codec if the dsp is present? Sep 02 21:53:50 and also ideas about how to structure it better, rather than two chunks surrounded by #ifdef #else etc Sep 02 21:54:17 bmidgley: it will encode audio and still allow video to be output on the Nokia tablets Sep 02 21:54:36 bmidgley: there's apparently some sort of memory contention issue, certainly not CPU load related Sep 02 21:54:47 ok Sep 02 21:54:51 not a trivial decision then Sep 02 21:55:02 in truth there may be no reason to do it on the DSP until the (mp3) decoder can also be placed there and pass the data over directly Sep 02 21:55:57 that would/should provide even better CPU savings and hopefully avoid the video output problem, not sure how to tie into Bluez mind you, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, etc. Sep 02 21:56:21 timelyx: btw, does TraceMonkey work on ARM; or am I misremembering and it does do native-code JIT? Sep 02 21:56:34 s/does/doesn't/ Sep 02 21:56:34 Jaffa meant: timelyx: btw, doesn't TraceMonkey work on ARM; or am I misremembering and it does do native-code JIT? Sep 02 21:56:41 probably as a gstreamer/openmax element, /me needs to do more reading up on that Sep 02 21:56:58 bmidgley: DSP eats up 70MHz of ARM core performance due to frequency scaling, so it is not very helpful to offload a job that 70MHz ARM also could do Sep 02 21:57:06 * timelyx sighs Sep 02 21:57:15 there's some stuff Sep 02 21:57:20 but basically it crashes instantly Sep 02 21:57:22 or something Sep 02 21:57:27 ssvb: but the speeds can be decoupled, and the sbc encoder still runs at the lower DSP speed Sep 02 21:57:39 timelyx: so, not to be expected in the next microb version ;-/ Sep 02 21:57:45 yet video drops to <1fps Sep 02 21:59:02 ssvb: Sorry, I'm still a 'make' newbie.. I put the mcpu CFLAG in and it still definitely wouldn't build, but how do I make sure that 'make' is actually getting that, since I'm not sure how to compile just that file (throws a bunch of errors, etc.) Sep 02 22:00:27 Pebby: look at the compiler output, see something like '-O2' or whatever other options, open makefile in your favourite editor, add -mcpu=arm1136jf-s to the set of optimization flags Sep 02 22:00:35 CFLAGS="blah" make Sep 02 22:00:58 lardman: that will only work if makefile respects CFLAGS variable Sep 02 22:01:03 yeah Sep 02 22:01:12 we can't completely rely on it Sep 02 22:01:14 we had better also hope it's written in C ;) Sep 02 22:01:53 ssvb: you're my hero, thanks ;) Sep 02 22:02:06 :) Sep 02 22:02:07 The makefile just steps on the CFLAGS I try to set, it would appear? Sep 02 22:02:22 btw, anyone have any info about Java on the NIT ? Sep 02 22:03:56 I'll see if I can get the sucker to build... at least I learned something new about Makefiles =P Sep 02 22:05:11 Still complains about pld with -mcpu and/or -march, but it's a start ;) Sep 02 22:05:49 check they were actually used in the gcc command Sep 02 22:07:02 They're definitely not being used, and I inserted them into the only two places I could find those commands (O2) showing up Sep 02 22:07:09 what is it with C and comments, how can I comment out a region which also contains comments? Sep 02 22:07:28 Pebby: can you pastebin the Makefile? Sep 02 22:07:39 lardman: certainly, one minute Sep 02 22:07:58 lardman: I usually use '#if 0' at start and '#endif' at the end of block Sep 02 22:08:08 they can be nested Sep 02 22:08:17 ah, I see Sep 02 22:08:24 thanks Sep 02 22:08:31 Is there any way to turn off the row used for the space bar in the onscreen keyboard? Sep 02 22:08:58 I'm trying to make a fitaly layout, and that row is completely unnecessary... uses space the regular alpha area should be using instead. Sep 02 22:08:58 http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fes.engadget.com%2F2008%2F09%2F02%2Fifa-2008-commodore-nos-muestra-su-ummd-8010-f-y-los-nuevos-conc%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en Sep 02 22:09:03 Hehehehe Sep 02 22:09:15 How low has it fallen! Sep 02 22:10:17 X-Fade, when the hell are you coming baaaaaack? We neeeeeeeeeeed uuuuu Sep 02 22:11:11 gotta make a human sacrifice Sep 02 22:11:46 crashanddie, september 8th :-) Sep 02 22:13:37 lardman: I'm happy to post the makefile, but there appear to be MANY makefiles, hehe... I'm assuming it's failing on one of the nested ones. Shouldn't the makefiles respect my settings in the configure script? Sep 02 22:14:04 yes Sep 02 22:14:22 assuming it's a standard configure script you should be able to do the following though: Sep 02 22:14:32 CFLAGS="blah" ./configure Sep 02 22:14:41 it has always worked for me at least ;) Sep 02 22:15:29 Ok, let me try that... I miss gentoo already, hehe Sep 02 22:15:35 lardman, I suspect gstreamer is flexible enough Sep 02 22:15:55 to tell it to transcode mp3 to sbc and have it use the linked dsp tasks Sep 02 22:15:59 bmidgley: something to keep me busy then :) Sep 02 22:16:23 ah, gstreamer can't keep it all on the DSP though, that's where OpenMAX comes in Sep 02 22:16:54 I've read about openmax... seemed comparable to gst (superficially) Sep 02 22:17:18 yeah, but they seem to coexist, appears to me to be GStreamer for DSPs and the like Sep 02 22:18:42 lardman: That appears to be working... it definitely got my CFLAGS when I force-fed it like that. Thank you! I wonder how to fix it on a global level, though Sep 02 22:19:37 that will propagate the change through all of the Makefiles as it regenerates them Sep 02 22:19:49 Umgh...VGBA release... Sep 02 22:21:12 lardman: Yeah, I can do that, I just mean for every time I run a configure script, I'm wondering why it doesn't like my export CFLAGS technique. Hmm... ah well, I'll poke around. Thank you for the help, and the others who helped too =) I have a nice shiny .deb now too Sep 02 22:21:33 np Sep 02 22:23:59 Howdy the review go? Sep 02 22:27:28 * lardman was in and out Sep 02 22:27:47 but mainly out Sep 02 22:30:32 ah, alloca presumably returns zeroed memory Sep 02 22:34:23 anyone actually knows a reason why dialogs under the maemo matchbox themes miss the close/[X] button? is this some weird ui spec thing? Sep 02 22:46:19 hmm, do you think it a bad sign when a pointer is returned such that its address is 1 ? Sep 02 22:46:38 e.g. malloc returns an address of 1 Sep 02 22:46:56 You may have broken it. Sep 02 22:47:25 I wonder if that's its roundabout way of telling me it's out of memory? Sep 02 22:47:47 More likely you wrote out of bounds and clobbered the memory manager's internal structures. Sep 02 22:48:51 I just did this: work=(ogg_uint32_t *)_ogg_malloc((s->used_entries*2-2)*sizeof(*work)); Sep 02 22:49:20 It's more about what went on _before_ the malloc call I'd be worried about. Sep 02 22:49:40 would the effect be immediate? Sep 02 22:50:18 Could show up at any point... might require several more malloc/free calls to become apparent... who knows, really. Sep 02 22:50:48 Debugging memory corruption is hard. This is why x86 has valgrind. Sep 02 22:50:53 fair enough, I'll look back through the call stack and see if I can spot anything suspicious Sep 02 22:51:02 :( Sep 02 22:51:21 Are you just using the standard malloc? I thought you mentioned a custom replacement earlier. Sep 02 22:51:51 nah, gone back to standard as the omap2420 has more memory than Monty was originally writing for Sep 02 22:52:00 GeneralAntilles: Did you get your Beagle board yet? Sep 02 22:52:02 but the standard may not be standard Sep 02 22:52:37 joshin, yeah, a few days ago. Sep 02 22:52:49 Having serial issues, though, because I'm incompetent. ;) Sep 02 22:52:56 Doh. Sep 02 22:52:59 You could try #defining _ogg_malloc to always allocate twice as much storage and see if it goes away. Sep 02 22:53:12 In need of a null modem cable at the moment. Sep 02 22:53:12 That would lend strong credence to the buffer overflow theory. Sep 02 22:53:24 May run out to Best Buy to get one if they have it. Sep 02 22:53:28 ok, I'll give that a go tomorrow, thanks Sep 02 22:53:36 (or add some fixed amount, or both) Sep 02 22:54:08 And if you fill it with a known value, you might even find where it's happening. Sep 02 22:54:25 yeah, not easy to read the memory either unfortunately Sep 02 22:54:30 GeneralAntilles: RatShack would have better odds. Or you can just hack a spare serial cable. Sep 02 22:54:47 No spares. :( Sep 02 23:06:58 bmidgley: I've added you Sep 02 23:07:12 derf: I'm remembering why I hate tremor ;) Sep 02 23:07:21 anyway, time for bed, see you all tomorrow Sep 02 23:08:14 GeneralAntilles, here take mine.. Sep 02 23:08:20 * LinuxCode hands over a null modem cable Sep 02 23:09:49 lardman thx Sep 02 23:09:55 doh Sep 02 23:11:42 w00t at new mask :) Sep 02 23:17:42 can I get media player to recheck for files?, there's a load that don't exist anymore Sep 02 23:17:56 andre__, thanks for the blogging! :) Sep 02 23:20:58 "Holidaymakers' shock after fleeing gun horror to find porn film being made in foyer of their hotel" Sep 02 23:22:20 "oh the horror" Sep 02 23:23:48 the suffering... Sep 02 23:24:55 "A seven-year-old girl with a rare illness is being kept alive by four doses of Viagra a day." Sep 02 23:29:49 GeneralAntilles, heh - you're welcome, needed to share my impressions :) Sep 02 23:32:14 oh, you even commented. Sep 03 00:03:13 does skype do n800->pc with video yet? Sep 03 00:07:00 no Sep 03 00:07:31 Tu13es, I wish it did Sep 03 00:07:38 ;-| Sep 03 00:07:43 since amsn is now broken Sep 03 00:27:36 Ah, finally, some real response on the changelog issue. Sep 03 00:29:57 ? Sep 03 00:30:13 are they gonna generate changelogs in plain english now? Sep 03 00:30:20 Pfft Sep 03 00:30:24 Of course not Sep 03 00:30:29 But at least there's a bit of discussion going. Sep 03 00:30:38 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/on_the_problem_of_nokia_bugs_substituting_changelogs/ Sep 03 00:42:44 this browser aint so cool Sep 03 00:42:51 i don't care what they say Sep 03 00:44:37 chrome? Sep 03 00:50:51 hi... I'm trying to access some iphone formatted sites, specially gmail. I installed a kernel with rotation support, but even then the gmail site only takes up a part of the screen... is this normal? is there any way around it? Sep 03 00:53:18 huh, weird Sep 03 00:53:39 gregorovius: Kernel with rotation support... Did you rotate the screen? Sep 03 00:53:51 yes :) Sep 03 00:53:58 As far as these specially formatted pages are concerned, I don't know them. Sep 03 00:54:08 So, no idea what magic they did. Sep 03 00:54:14 after it loads it 'shrinks' to what seems to be the iphone native resolution =/ Sep 03 00:54:17 What's missing? Sep 03 00:54:47 heh, it shrinks... Sep 03 00:55:03 * guenther gets reminded of an old, great Seinfeld episode Sep 03 00:55:18 like a frightened turtle Sep 03 00:55:20 "Yes, it shrinks. Like a frightened turtle!" Sep 03 00:55:24 HAHA Sep 03 00:55:25 =) Sep 03 00:55:29 exactly :) Sep 03 00:55:39 What do you see as a result? Sep 03 00:56:01 When rotated. Like a really long strip, with blank space at the sides? Sep 03 00:56:13 Well, uh, what do you expect? Sep 03 00:56:17 They're iPhone formated. Sep 03 00:56:32 My personal recommendation would be to use the tablet as intended and stick to the regular sites. ;) Sep 03 00:56:55 of course, yeah, it handles these just fine Sep 03 00:57:05 I was trying to get a picture of the results. :) Sep 03 00:57:16 Well, iPhone is half the resolution Sep 03 00:57:24 So picture something half the size of the browser window in the browser. Sep 03 00:57:32 gmail kinda sucks Sep 03 00:57:38 Lots and lots of whitespace Sep 03 00:57:39 too much hunt-and-pecking Sep 03 00:57:42 That's what Modest is for. Sep 03 00:57:57 the day they add threaded view, i'm sold Sep 03 00:58:07 in the meanwhile, I can only read my inbox, not mailing lists Sep 03 00:58:11 Gmail's got a lot of variants that don't require iPhone stuff. Sep 03 00:58:22 Modest? In context of the browser? Sep 03 00:58:33 GeneralAntilles: What resolution does the iPhone have? Sep 03 00:58:56 320x480 Sep 03 00:58:58 480.320 Sep 03 00:59:01 Er, yeah. Sep 03 00:59:11 yay Sep 03 00:59:19 It isn't that much smaller. ;) Sep 03 00:59:27 No, 155dpi or so Sep 03 00:59:30 versus 225dpi Sep 03 00:59:44 Yeah, that would be even less than half the size of the N8x0. Sep 03 00:59:50 One of the tablet's big strengths is the awesome screen res. Sep 03 01:00:00 * guenther nods heavily Sep 03 01:00:12 Which was even more awesome in 2005 when the 770 came out. Sep 03 01:00:14 It's the best screen I have ever seen. Sep 03 01:00:33 Wish it had better color, though. Sep 03 01:00:36 16bit sucks Sep 03 01:00:36 gregorovius: Why do you try to use iphone formatted pages at all? Sep 03 01:00:46 iPhone screen is 3.5" versus 4.1" Sep 03 01:00:53 Lighter, smaller, cleaner. Sep 03 01:01:00 well, they tend to be nicely formatted for small screens Sep 03 01:01:11 The iPhone pages would work OK if they weren't mostly hardcoded for the iPhone. Sep 03 01:01:13 You do not have a small screen. :) Sep 03 01:01:22 So, again, why exactly...? ;) Sep 03 01:01:31 Styluses suck Sep 03 01:01:38 Easier to hit iPhone site widgets with fingers. Sep 03 01:02:50 Howdy, mgedmin. Sep 03 01:03:11 hi, General Sep 03 01:03:24 * GeneralAntilles is out of Chocolate milk. :( Sep 03 01:03:47 * guenther offers a beer instead Sep 03 01:04:02 * GeneralAntilles doesn't really drink. Sep 03 01:04:24 We need to change that in Berlin. :-) Sep 03 01:04:38 Ha Sep 03 01:04:42 I agree, US beer sucks. ;) Sep 03 01:04:44 I don't care much for drunk me. Sep 03 01:04:53 It's not the beverages, it's the alcohol. Sep 03 01:05:14 * GeneralAntilles tries to open a Jarritos with his Leatherman. . . . Sep 03 01:05:37 yeah, like pretty much everyone else says who doesn't drink Sep 03 01:06:00 nah, beer tastes bad Sep 03 01:06:19 You don't have to. More free beer for others. Sep 03 01:06:35 Which sometimes is a rare resource. Like with google parties. ;) Sep 03 01:06:55 Success! Sep 03 01:07:22 * guenther googles Jarritos Sep 03 01:07:48 Mexican soda Sep 03 01:08:12 yup, found that Sep 03 01:08:16 Tastes good? Sep 03 01:08:23 Yeah, good stuff. Sep 03 01:08:27 I like Orange and Lime. Sep 03 01:08:31 Never seen it here. Sep 03 01:08:41 You don't see it much here. Sep 03 01:08:52 I think the stock at Publix is pretty much only there because of me. Sep 03 01:09:13 hehe Sep 03 01:09:33 * GeneralAntilles really hates the footer color in Bugzilla. Sep 03 01:09:53 Funny you might say that... Sep 03 01:10:05 I pondered adjusting it at least. Sep 03 01:10:10 Needs to be pushed about 3 steps towards white. Sep 03 01:10:21 After all, the shade of orange in the logo changed. Sep 03 01:10:30 And it has been set to match before... Sep 03 01:11:16 I find it to be rather intrusive and un-easy on the eyes myself. Sep 03 01:11:47 #face75 Sep 03 01:11:54 I like the color, I like the hex code. Sep 03 01:12:38 lol Sep 03 01:12:41 is that seriously the hex? Sep 03 01:12:48 Yeah. :D Sep 03 01:13:26 I need to hit the wiki with a color change, too. Sep 03 01:13:43 whee Sep 03 01:13:53 Though hopefully there'll be some traction on a new style and layout at the Summit. Sep 03 01:14:41 7 candidates Sep 03 01:14:44 One color. JUst one color please. :) Sep 03 01:14:47 A bit of improvement. Sep 03 01:15:05 I don't particularly like facebook, but its iphone site rocks Sep 03 01:15:20 * guenther really hates colorful "designs" Sep 03 01:15:35 gregorovius, yeah. Sep 03 01:15:55 Gmail's isn't too bad either, though it's shrunken to half width for me randomly. Sep 03 01:16:28 Well, guenther, this is closer to my preferred styling. http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/ ;) Sep 03 01:16:39 yeah, happens to me too... it seems google hardcoded the iphone's resolution Sep 03 01:17:06 Raytray: Hah, maybe you got a hint or two for gregorovius. He pretty much entered the channel asking for that. :) Sep 03 01:17:21 lol Sep 03 01:17:35 guenther: I've got xchat set to autologin here :P Sep 03 01:17:44 only solution I've seen is some guy using privoxy Sep 03 01:17:54 It used to be fine. :( Sep 03 01:18:09 I don't do much internet on my tablet to care much. Sep 03 01:18:16 gregorovius: Oh, sorry, I may mis-remember the joining. Sep 03 01:18:17 Though school started again so I might have to. Sep 03 01:18:33 GeneralAntilles: Dude, that's dark. Sep 03 01:18:41 guenther, liqbase is dark. Sep 03 01:18:54 so its a little premature but has anyone else thought about porting chrome over? Sep 03 01:19:00 You'll probably have a hard time fighting for that. ;) Sep 03 01:19:19 Disconnect, used chrome yet? -- how is it? Sep 03 01:19:24 Oh, no, I'm not thinking dark for maemo.org Sep 03 01:19:25 Just simple Sep 03 01:19:40 CSS-only styling is preferable. Sep 03 01:19:45 Raytray: gave it a quick messing about under virtualbox on a loaded machine - it was slow, but prolly not it's fault :) otherwise it was kinda nice. Sep 03 01:19:45 ah, yes Sep 03 01:19:53 Disconnect, goodluckwiththat Sep 03 01:20:07 I prefer simple styling myself. Sep 03 01:20:09 * Disconnect suspects the new js lib will not translate to arm real well Sep 03 01:20:17 I'd really love a lightweight maemo.org Sep 03 01:20:22 Cut the cruft Sep 03 01:20:36 Nothing bad about a fading background, but just don't throw a lot of images at a design. Sep 03 01:21:40 Well, at least with bugzilla, there are not much graphical elements used. Sep 03 01:21:49 Yeah, bugzilla is nice and clean Sep 03 01:21:57 Though the lists seem a little space-inefficient. Sep 03 01:22:49 The results when searching? Sep 03 01:22:57 What's wrong with them? Sep 03 01:23:00 Yeah Sep 03 01:23:09 Well, nothing really major Sep 03 01:23:22 But it'd be nice to have a little differentiation between different columns. Sep 03 01:23:25 I don't see them wasting space. Sep 03 01:23:38 Other than maybe a wrapped summary. Sep 03 01:24:21 Opened/Changed dates could be smaller Sep 03 01:24:23 and off to the right Sep 03 01:24:35 Maybe make the summary and submitter a 2-line deal Sep 03 01:24:47 huh? Sep 03 01:24:52 I dunno. :P Sep 03 01:24:54 What are you talking about? Sep 03 01:25:01 No dates. No submitter. Sep 03 01:25:03 The bug lists Sep 03 01:25:09 I modified my column list Sep 03 01:25:10 Not in bugzilla search results. Sep 03 01:25:30 ah Sep 03 01:25:40 Resolved NOTMAEMO Sep 03 01:25:44 :-) Sep 03 01:25:57 It's a feature of the bugzilla. :P Sep 03 01:26:40 Actually, I think what I want is more like a forum-thread listing. <_< Sep 03 01:27:03 Dude, you said the f-word. Sep 03 01:27:11 Meh Sep 03 01:27:16 You won't get a hack out of me if you that lingo. ;) Sep 03 01:27:22 There's nothing wrong with a well-run forum. Sep 03 01:27:35 I guess it all depends on your experience with them. Sep 03 01:27:42 Mine has been pretty overwhelmingly positive. Sep 03 01:27:45 I guess Sep 03 01:29:28 Anyway, not important Sep 03 01:29:40 I don't feel like investing the brain energy intro trying to think up something useful. Sep 03 01:30:10 I just want Garage templates. :P Sep 03 01:30:22 :) Sep 03 01:30:40 We should talk about that in Berlin. Sep 03 01:31:08 There will be plenty of work left at that time. Perfect match to get some details planned. Sep 03 01:31:15 If only. ;) Sep 03 01:31:27 Maybe a video conference. :P Sep 03 01:31:39 oh, don't tell me... Sep 03 01:31:56 Does my memory play foul trick on me? Sep 03 01:32:21 Yeah, not coming. :( Sep 03 01:32:49 Too bad. :( Sep 03 01:33:13 Yeah, I know. Sep 03 01:33:15 Next time. Sep 03 01:33:28 Someone please file a showstopper bug, Target Milestone Summit. Sep 03 01:34:26 Next time. Hopefully in Berlin again. Sep 03 01:34:32 Nice travel. ;) Sep 03 01:34:40 * GeneralAntilles wants someplace easy to fly to. Sep 03 01:34:44 22 hours flight time Sep 03 01:34:50 2 connections Sep 03 01:35:22 Where exactly are you? No direct connection? Sep 03 01:35:37 Pfft Sep 03 01:35:45 St. Petersburg or Tallahassee, FL Sep 03 01:36:10 heh, I did not intend a joke, just asking Sep 03 01:36:21 Cause Berlin isn't exactly a small airport. Sep 03 01:36:27 Or... 2 of them. ;) Sep 03 01:36:28 Yeah, I can't fly direct anywhere. Sep 03 01:36:48 Except the Caribbean Sep 03 01:37:02 yay Sep 03 01:37:06 It was $1600 round trip when I was shopping for tickets, too. Sep 03 01:37:23 It's raining out there, and now I am thinking of a nice, warm place... Sep 03 01:37:32 Plenty warm out here. Sep 03 01:37:42 90s today Sep 03 01:38:49 not cold here either, something 65 odd Sep 03 01:38:55 (it's night) Sep 03 01:39:15 Degree F, mind you, I re-calculated for you. Sep 03 01:39:25 :P Sep 03 01:39:32 I can think in one or the other Sep 03 01:39:38 But I don't convert quickly Sep 03 01:39:40 Ever saw Pulp Fiction? Sep 03 01:39:49 Lots Sep 03 01:39:56 Great movie Sep 03 01:39:57 We got the metric system. Sep 03 01:40:01 No kidding Sep 03 01:40:13 No double punder. It's a Royal. :-P Sep 03 01:40:16 I love Tarantino Sep 03 01:40:35 That coked-out dialog is something to behold. Sep 03 01:40:41 Yeah, me too. Well, most of his movies. Sep 03 01:40:56 4 Rooms no good for you, either? :D Sep 03 01:41:13 wait, you lost me there Sep 03 01:41:19 "coked out"? Sep 03 01:41:33 cocaine Sep 03 01:41:42 The fast-talk dialog. Sep 03 01:41:44 ah Sep 03 01:42:28 Deathproof was a lot of that. Sep 03 01:43:07 * guenther now feels like he lost the ability to understand English Sep 03 01:43:39 lol Sep 03 01:43:43 Want me to throw more idioms at you? :P Sep 03 01:44:00 Yes, sure. If you explain them... :) Sep 03 01:44:11 I love to learn new phrases. Sep 03 01:44:32 One of the reasons I watched Pulp Fiction over and over again. In English. Sep 03 01:44:52 It really teaches something for live. Sep 03 01:45:52 Ha Sep 03 01:45:57 Dubed Pulp Fiction Sep 03 01:46:05 I can't imagine that possibly holding up. Sep 03 01:46:28 It served a purpose. First, get the big picture. Sep 03 01:46:42 Then, catch phrases, and understand what they mean. Sep 03 01:47:14 Kill Bill's good for that, too. Sep 03 01:47:36 You are right though, it's much better with the original sound. Sep 03 01:48:20 Dialog is just such a hugely important part of that movie. Sep 03 01:48:31 yeah Sep 03 01:48:48 Like with most Tarantino movies. Sep 03 01:49:08 The uncut scene in the floor... Just great. Sep 03 01:49:48 s/floor/corridor/ # better? Sep 03 01:50:07 Yes Sep 03 01:50:28 "in the floor" sounds like they're talking somewhere among the insulation and rats. ;) Sep 03 01:50:38 hah Sep 03 01:50:51 There we're back to my problem. Need to look up such words. Sep 03 01:51:00 Ever seen The Big Lebowski? Sep 03 01:51:09 You know, I don't get to use them often in technical conversations. Sep 03 01:51:22 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/ Sep 03 01:51:48 briefly at best Sep 03 01:52:05 I like not knowing how to pronounce anything when you only use the terms on the internet. Sep 03 01:52:30 Mmm. See that one Sep 03 01:52:37 one of the Coen brother's best movies Sep 03 01:52:40 That and Fargo Sep 03 01:52:52 . . . wood chippers :shudder: Sep 03 01:52:52 The second reason why I watched stuff un-dubbed. Sep 03 01:53:33 Like a lot of Seinfeld episodes. OK, all of them. And Frasier, and... Sep 03 01:53:47 guys... should i format my external sd card to ext2 or ext3 ? Sep 03 01:53:48 Mmm Sep 03 01:53:53 Two of my favorite sitcoms Sep 03 01:54:01 moontiger, ext3 has the potential for my writes Sep 03 01:54:14 but saves you fscking on every slight misstep. Sep 03 01:54:14 I've been told by US residents, that I do have an US accent. And good pronounciation. :) Sep 03 01:54:17 s/my/more/ Sep 03 01:54:17 my writes? Sep 03 01:54:51 hi khertan :) Sep 03 01:54:57 moontiger, my spinal cord has far too much say in what I type. ;) Sep 03 01:55:05 guenther, ever watch Cheers? Sep 03 01:55:44 so does ext3 slow things down? Sep 03 01:55:53 Nah, it'll mostly impact SD card life. Sep 03 01:56:03 so ext2 is good enough then? Sep 03 01:56:08 Or could, I haven't seen anything definitive. Sep 03 01:56:14 Eh, if you don't mind the fscking Sep 03 01:56:28 I'd probably go with Ext3 considering how cheap SD cards are these days. Sep 03 01:56:42 GeneralAntilles: Sitcoms: Yes, my favs, too. Sep 03 01:56:51 do i have to do anything special to get the n810 to see an ext3 card? Sep 03 01:57:04 moontiger, shouldn't. Sep 03 01:57:06 Though it wasn't particularly easy back those days to understand Frasier, after watching lots of Seinfeld. ;) Sep 03 01:57:11 Same steps as ext2, just ext3. Sep 03 01:57:19 Frasier is funny Sep 03 01:57:22 Cheers? Yes! Sep 03 01:57:27 coolio thnx :) and does that mean i can run executables from the card now? Sep 03 01:57:33 (funny peculiar) Sep 03 01:57:33 Mostly dubbed in German. Sep 03 01:57:38 moontiger, yes. Sep 03 01:57:40 :) Sep 03 01:57:45 That's where Frasier evolved. Sep 03 01:57:55 It's an odd mix of high-brow comedy for a sitcom. Sep 03 01:58:15 right Sep 03 01:58:23 Pretty much the only good spinoff sitcom ever made. Sep 03 01:58:38 heh, probably right Sep 03 01:58:40 How about any of the "adult" animated shows? Sep 03 01:58:46 Futurama, Family Guy, South Park. Sep 03 01:59:01 moontiger: You can run executables off of FAT partitioned cards, too. Sep 03 01:59:12 really? Sep 03 01:59:14 With a little screwing around. Sep 03 01:59:15 Just need to mount it differently. Sep 03 01:59:17 But FAT sux Sep 03 01:59:29 Like "all files got executable bit". Sep 03 01:59:40 Sure it sucks. It just say it is possible. :) Sep 03 01:59:42 hmmmmmmm no its cool i'll use ext3 but thanks :) Sep 03 02:00:07 moontiger: The better choice anyway, if you don't need FAT for compatibility. Sep 03 02:00:16 dont use windows Sep 03 02:00:18 I wish there were a half-way decent universal fs. Sep 03 02:00:52 Recent Linux distros do understand NTFS properly. Sep 03 02:01:03 NTFS still sux Sep 03 02:01:55 zfs is the biz apparently Sep 03 02:01:58 GeneralAntilles: Futurama: Not bad, prefer Simpsons. South Park and Familiy Guy... Well, I watched them occasionally. Didn't do it like I did with Seinfeld, by far... Sep 03 02:02:18 Really, liked Simpsons more than Futurama? Sep 03 02:02:20 Hmm Sep 03 02:02:42 yeah, but it might suffer from the dubbed version... Sep 03 02:02:48 Probably Sep 03 02:02:55 Almost certainly, actually. Sep 03 02:02:57 My first impression was the first Futurama series. Dubbed. Sep 03 02:03:02 The voices and delivery are really important. Sep 03 02:03:11 I have never seen anything that bad before. Sep 03 02:03:50 I have seen Futurama in English after that. The jokes are just worlds apart. Sep 03 02:04:10 I love Futurama Sep 03 02:04:25 Got some fantastic quotes. Sep 03 02:04:34 heh, yeah Sep 03 02:04:45 Any chance you ever saw Coupling? Sep 03 02:05:00 Talking about the UK original. Sep 03 02:05:06 Nope Sep 03 02:05:19 I haven't yet gotten around to picking up foreign TV series. Sep 03 02:05:42 Pretty cool. Takes a while to get used to the UK pronounciation, though. ;) Sep 03 02:06:47 Some seriously great dialogs. Sep 03 02:07:04 British TV is on my list Sep 03 02:07:08 With a few episodes, I almost wet my pants laughing. Sep 03 02:07:39 And btw, adult humor. :) Sep 03 02:07:49 It's funny Sep 03 02:07:53 I grew up watching Seinfeld Sep 03 02:08:06 came back and rewatched them all a year ago Sep 03 02:08:06 Not the same kind as Futurame. Which is actually for kids. ;) Sep 03 02:08:11 Whole different viewpoint. . . . Sep 03 02:08:20 Futurama is in no way for kids. Sep 03 02:08:44 How so? Sep 03 02:08:55 If Futurama is for kids, then Family Guy is for kids. Sep 03 02:09:03 Don't confuse "animated" with "for kids". Sep 03 02:09:23 nah, I'm talking content and dialogs here Sep 03 02:09:33 also, with COupling in mind Sep 03 02:10:00 Coupling *really* is not suited for minors. ;-) Sep 03 02:10:40 btw, I strongly agree on the POV -- experienced that myself. Just watch some series again after a couple years. Sep 03 02:11:17 "The Contest" takes on whole new meaning. Sep 03 02:11:27 haha Sep 03 02:11:48 ok, seriously... Sep 03 02:12:00 * guenther still is laughing Sep 03 02:12:17 By "grown up with Seinfeld", what age do you talk about? Sep 03 02:12:51 When they were new. Sep 03 02:13:04 That's not an age, dude. Sep 03 02:13:17 Well, let's see, I'm almost 21 now. Sep 03 02:13:23 So, 7-10 Sep 03 02:13:25 got it Sep 03 02:13:46 I mean, when I first saw them, I was way past that age. ;) Sep 03 02:14:12 But yeah, there's a whole new meaning. :-) Sep 03 02:14:45 Hehe Sep 03 02:15:07 It's a more extreme example of the differences in what you get out of Pixar movies when you're older. Sep 03 02:15:30 what do you mean? Sep 03 02:15:35 "I'm out." Sep 03 02:15:41 "You're out..." Sep 03 02:15:50 "Yeah... I'm out!" Sep 03 02:16:28 Lesson learned. Don't watch your attractive neighbor, when you're king of castle. Sep 03 02:16:41 Hehe Sep 03 02:16:51 Pixar movies have a whole subplot that only means anything to adults. Sep 03 02:17:02 ah Sep 03 02:17:10 Kids miss that layer and just see the pretty animation and funny characters. Sep 03 02:17:11 I haven't seen them as a kid. Sep 03 02:17:16 But it adds so much more depth. Sep 03 02:17:21 right Sep 03 02:17:31 I guess Toy Story would be the only one I experienced firsthand Sep 03 02:17:39 Like with the Simpsons. Sep 03 02:17:39 But you can notice it watching them. Sep 03 02:17:47 A bit Sep 03 02:17:54 Though the Simpsons was banned in my house growing up. Sep 03 02:17:55 There's the foreground comedy. Sep 03 02:18:17 For kids, and some under-average adults... It's funny. Sep 03 02:18:30 And then there is the hidden meaning, the real jokes. Sep 03 02:18:51 Something you only get with some kind of an education... Sep 03 02:19:28 You can actually watch a lot of Simpsons episodes like three times, and each time spot a new joke. Sep 03 02:19:49 Too bad it went to shit after season 8 Sep 03 02:19:55 It's just painful to watch now. Sep 03 02:20:08 What I love about the Simpsons are the authors. Sep 03 02:20:57 There is one episode based on a German movie, that has been seen in US only by some well educated folks. Sep 03 02:21:05 It was a sucess US, btw. Sep 03 02:21:30 "3 stories about Seinfeld", IIRC Sep 03 02:21:37 "Lola Rennt" Sep 03 02:21:59 Ad of course, the songs, Sep 03 02:22:21 See... my... vest, see my vest, made of real gorilla chest... Sep 03 02:22:25 * guenther sings Sep 03 02:22:44 Ha Sep 03 02:23:25 That's just awesome. But you're right, they used to be better. Sep 03 02:23:44 It needs to die already. Sep 03 02:23:53 Ever seen "behind the actors studios"? Sep 03 02:24:20 Inside the Actors Studio Sep 03 02:24:21 ? Sep 03 02:24:35 err, right, most likely :) Sep 03 02:24:45 Yeah, every once and a while. Sep 03 02:24:47 ummmmmm i think i stuffed something up :( Sep 03 02:24:56 Lipton cracks me up too much most of the time, though. Sep 03 02:24:58 how do i format my mmc1 sd card? Sep 03 02:25:07 With the Simpsons characters. That is great. Sep 03 02:25:49 ~boot-sd Sep 03 02:25:50 i guess boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Sep 03 02:25:53 See the partitioning article Sep 03 02:26:02 /dev/mmcblk1 Sep 03 02:26:14 thnx :) Sep 03 02:26:25 ~partitioning Sep 03 02:26:26 methinks partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition Sep 03 02:26:38 ~partition Sep 03 02:26:39 rumour has it, partition is You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition Sep 03 02:26:54 ~flash-partitioning Sep 03 02:27:00 ~flash-partitioning is https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card Sep 03 02:27:01 GeneralAntilles: okay Sep 03 02:27:37 whee Sep 03 02:28:00 Be nice to have a #maemo-only bot. Sep 03 02:28:19 GeneralAntilles: Really had some fun talking to you about series and stuff. :) Sep 03 02:28:32 Idle more, guenther. :P Sep 03 02:28:52 Should get some sleep now... Lost track. Already 04:30. :/ Sep 03 02:28:57 Hehe Sep 03 02:29:00 Have fun with that. :P Sep 03 02:29:01 'night Sep 03 02:29:10 Yes, I should add this channel to my auto-join list. Sep 03 02:29:27 night folks Sep 03 02:32:16 ummmmm that doesnt really tell me how to do it Sep 03 02:32:18 :| Sep 03 02:33:48 What are you missing? Sep 03 02:34:07 * GeneralAntilles is out of lemon juice. Sep 03 02:43:14 ok i rebooted and now the n810 can see the files on the disk Sep 03 02:43:22 but the permissions are all root / root Sep 03 02:43:57 and i just saw that i have an enourmous file on my mmc2 card called .swap Sep 03 02:44:24 That'd be your swap file. Sep 03 02:44:30 "enormous"? Sep 03 02:45:18 its like 134217728 Sep 03 02:46:20 bits? Sep 03 02:46:23 that's 134 mb Sep 03 02:46:41 errrr yah ... not as big as it looked at first :| Sep 03 02:46:49 heh sorry Sep 03 02:46:59 df -h is your friend Sep 03 02:47:09 sooooooooooooooooo the permissions on my other card ... owner = user | group = users ? Sep 03 02:47:17 gregorovius, thank you :) Sep 03 02:47:37 =) Sep 03 02:49:44 ok all is good ... dfata back and working (i think) and now ext3 :) Sep 03 02:50:17 yup ... fbreader can still load up dracula :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 03 02:59:57 2008