**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 04 02:59:57 2008 Sep 04 03:00:01 Replace OMAP1 with OMAP2! Sep 04 03:00:46 If you can do that by hand, you automatically win at everything ever for the rest of your life. Sep 04 03:01:00 GeneralAntilles, is that 48MHz mod worth the trouble? Sep 04 03:01:07 It's just a kernel flash Sep 04 03:01:16 Less effective on the N8x0 than the 770 Sep 04 03:01:24 ok Sep 04 03:01:25 and it's not endorsed by TI, so there may be stability troubles. Sep 04 03:01:31 But there will be improvement. Sep 04 03:01:46 ach i'll pass unless its going to change my world :) Sep 04 04:02:21 Would it be possible to use the N800 as a usbnet host? Sep 04 04:07:19 oh man I'm going to be so happy Sep 04 04:07:32 to be able to walk around the house and stream 80gb of music and radio Sep 04 04:09:58 can anyone recommend a good irc client? Sep 04 04:10:13 XChat Sep 04 04:10:20 it's in extras-devel Sep 04 04:10:27 ~extras Sep 04 04:10:31 hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Sep 04 04:10:49 thank you Sep 04 04:17:08 is there a package/script to remove 'docpurge' and install the info/man pages for what is installed? Sep 04 04:24:45 why does the front page of the maemo.org wiki show up blank? Sep 04 04:24:54 > http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page < Sep 04 04:25:48 Reload Sep 04 04:25:52 It's a server issue Sep 04 04:25:59 Apache threads are segfaulting every once and a while Sep 04 04:26:06 Waiting on server upgrades for a fix. Sep 04 04:26:19 ew, alright Sep 04 04:26:29 Should be within the next month Sep 04 04:32:48 dirtyrice88, gtfo Sep 04 04:47:56 whoa whoa whoa Sep 04 04:47:59 chillax man Sep 04 04:49:47 GeneralAntilles, when do you get the results of the vote thingy? Sep 04 04:49:54 6 days Sep 04 04:50:54 cool ... you were in it yes? Sep 04 04:51:47 Ryan Abel Sep 04 04:51:59 what does the winner get? Sep 04 04:52:06 https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations Sep 04 04:52:11 Well, there are 5 "Winners" Sep 04 04:52:17 They get positions on the maemo.org Community Council Sep 04 04:52:33 Call it a maemo.org schoolboard election or something. ;) Sep 04 04:53:12 and does that mean you get to influence things? Sep 04 04:53:42 It's not really an authority position. Sep 04 04:53:49 advisory? Sep 04 04:53:49 More of a community leadership and facilitation position. Sep 04 04:53:52 ok Sep 04 04:53:58 Help organize community events Sep 04 04:54:03 well i voted for you cos i think you do a good job here ;) Sep 04 04:54:09 help facilitate communication between Nokia and the community Sep 04 04:54:22 Bringing community issues to Nokia's attention, in particular Sep 04 04:54:26 Thanks! :) Sep 04 05:04:35 Hi everyone! Sep 04 05:04:44 Hello Sep 04 05:05:05 I thought it would be proper to introduce myself over here Sep 04 05:05:23 Hehe, most everybody's asleep at the moment. ;) Sep 04 05:05:28 I am the new Nokia project manager for maemo.org Sep 04 05:05:46 Ah, right, I saw your email on -community. Sep 04 05:05:47 I know, but I'll start small :) Sep 04 05:05:50 Welcome! :) Sep 04 05:05:56 Thanks Sep 04 05:06:09 Hola. You work early in the morning :) Sep 04 05:06:28 By the way GeneralAntilles do you ever sleep?:) Sep 04 05:06:43 Frequently, yes. :D Sep 04 05:06:54 * GeneralAntilles is poking at USBNet on a Beagle Board at the moment. . . . Sep 04 05:07:04 melmoth, yep I tend to come in early Sep 04 05:10:42 * Stskeeps pokes the coffee machine Sep 04 05:11:39 The Beagle seems about as eager as possible to use USBNet Sep 04 05:11:43 My OS X box, not so much Sep 04 05:11:57 Stskeeps, can I share the wifi connection over USBNet under Deblet? :D Sep 04 05:12:28 * GeneralAntilles is bound and determined to turn his N800 into a glorified USB wifi adaptor. Sep 04 05:13:11 GeneralAntilles: that's a good question, i don't know if cx3110x does bridging, or if there's NAT modules available ;) Sep 04 05:13:20 Maybe I'll strap the Beagle to the back and turn the N800 into a VNC frontend. . . . Sep 04 05:14:41 tekojo: so does the maemo.org website actually run on a 770? ;> Sep 04 05:15:03 I'm so glad to see some real progress on that in the last sprint review. Sep 04 05:15:18 we're getting N800s? Sep 04 05:16:09 Nah, just more parallelization. ;) Sep 04 05:16:14 Stskeeps: hard to say, I only have a 810 Sep 04 05:16:31 Ehehe Sep 04 05:16:44 tekojo, he was poking fun at the fact that maemo.org is so godawful slow. ;) Sep 04 05:17:08 I know, and it is slow Sep 04 05:17:10 The running joke is that the website is actually hosted on a 770. Sep 04 05:18:00 Yes, but I can't tell, I think it is a secret Sep 04 05:19:45 I think I may just end up turning this Beagle into a compiler for my tablets for the time being. . . . Sep 04 05:31:13 GeneralAntilles: saw my Deblet Hack Challenges post btw? could be an interesting way to entice developers for Maemo (if one is made for that) to develop things that are normally considered needed for the platform - where the thread is used for combing user knowledge such as hints how you could get started etc Sep 04 05:31:19 hello tekojo :) Sep 04 05:31:41 hello moontiger Sep 04 05:31:48 so you work for nokia? Sep 04 05:32:08 Yes Sep 04 05:32:28 tell them thanks for the new sb2 toolchain ... its wayyyyyyyyyyy better than before :) Sep 04 05:33:08 Haven't tried it myself yet, but I'll tell them Sep 04 05:33:20 especially the anjuta plug-in Sep 04 05:33:38 will do Sep 04 05:33:57 what exactly is your role in the scheme of things? Sep 04 05:35:11 To see that maemo.org is in good shape from the technical point of view Sep 04 05:35:18 Greetings and salutations gentlemen! Sep 04 05:35:34 services, hardware and all that Sep 04 05:36:17 did the server upgrades already happen? Sep 04 05:36:52 Not yet, working on it. Sep 04 05:37:42 It's in the last sprint before Berlin Sep 04 05:38:58 morning qwerty12 Sep 04 05:39:02 Qwerty! What's up G Money Dog Nuts?!?!?!!!!! Sep 04 05:39:07 morning Stskeeps Sep 04 05:39:11 hi Addison Sep 04 05:39:40 Anything monumentally exciting going on with you today, qwerty? Sep 04 05:40:22 If so, don't leave out any of the filthy details! :) Sep 04 05:40:22 ok Sep 04 05:43:30 Heh, this is why I love my N800: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/kismet.png Sep 04 05:44:23 No Sep 04 05:44:23 They were discussed in the sprint review Sep 04 05:44:23 We're close Sep 04 05:44:23 Testing should be going on as we speak. Sep 04 05:45:06 What the crap did you run to get that screenshot there qwert? Sep 04 05:45:36 Oh, and what does that screenshot possibly even mean? Sep 04 05:46:38 Oh, it's kismet actually running for more than an hour. Sep 04 05:47:13 I thought kismet was something about hooking up with a girl. Now you've lost me. :( Sep 04 05:48:09 qwerty12: any of the challenges you want to work on? :> Sep 04 05:49:05 Stskeeps: I could do the mpd one easily, I've already done it for maemo Sep 04 05:50:41 You could ask qwerty to build you a flux capacitor and he would say that it was already done. :) Sep 04 05:51:15 Na, /me head is hurting Sep 04 05:52:38 Well qwerty, you're probably the smartest one here. I don't even know how to change the blinker fluid for my car. Sep 04 05:53:05 Meh, I'm definitely not the smartest. :) Sep 04 05:53:53 Oh that's right. You told me about your grades at school. Let me take that compliment back! *lol* Sep 04 05:54:59 Stskeeps: Just a note, you would have to use the esd from maemo if you want a esd daemo Sep 04 05:55:00 n Sep 04 05:55:35 (unfortunately, we cannot build our own) Sep 04 05:55:52 Sooo, who wants to flesh out http://wiki.maemo.org/Installing_applications#Console ? :P Sep 04 05:56:09 sudo gainroot Sep 04 05:56:12 to install from a repo Sep 04 05:56:17 apt-get install whatever Sep 04 05:56:25 to install from a local deb Sep 04 05:56:33 dpkg -i /path/to/.deb Sep 04 05:56:46 Of course, that would have to be heavily expanded :P Sep 04 05:57:18 Yeah, yeah. Sep 04 05:57:21 I could do it myself. Sep 04 05:57:25 I just don't want to. Sep 04 05:58:07 so voting started? >_> Sep 04 05:58:30 Stskeeps: btw, is the only way to compile stuff for debian is on a tablet? I don't want to be like lcuk :P Sep 04 05:59:04 rm_you_, why the face? Sep 04 05:59:15 no reason :P Sep 04 06:02:23 qwerty12: yeah, i noticed (esound), regarding compile stuff - i think it's possible to set up a a debian armel target in sb Sep 04 06:03:19 Stskeeps: Cool, I really don't want to touch some of this stuff on a tablet. I'm tempted to throw it out when using MicroB, doing a compile would make actually throw it out Sep 04 06:03:19 qwerty12: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/debiandevelopment.html Sep 04 06:03:40 i did a linux kernel compile. isnotthatbad Sep 04 06:03:40 :P Sep 04 06:03:52 sbox does that for me :P Sep 04 06:08:07 qwerty12: post updated indicating your interests in some of the challenges Sep 04 06:08:43 Cool, sorry to be unsure about it but I need to do some work here as well Sep 04 06:09:15 ofcourse :) Sep 04 06:09:37 my first priority is my own work too, so, deblet is just a nice hobby :> Sep 04 06:09:59 :) Sep 04 06:10:09 I'm booting into debian now to see what is the problem with mpd Sep 04 06:10:18 omfg sweet! it's working!!! Sep 04 06:10:23 IT'S ALIVE!!! Sep 04 06:10:36 I'm excited for you but I don't know what to be excited about :P Sep 04 06:10:39 :P Sep 04 06:10:52 i got two residential cable lines, 12mbit each, running in parallel Sep 04 06:11:04 crap, nice one Sep 04 06:11:04 sicko Sep 04 06:11:07 and my debian router machine is doing load balancing Sep 04 06:11:28 $$? Sep 04 06:11:46 one torrent runs at 1.4MB/s down on one connection, 2.8MB/s with both :P Sep 04 06:12:10 $97 a month for two 12mbit lines and basic cable Sep 04 06:12:18 Not bad Sep 04 06:12:31 ooo Sep 04 06:12:34 3.0MBps :P Sep 04 06:12:44 * rm_you dances Sep 04 06:12:55 effing hell, all I did was install debian, boot into it, install irssi and run shutdown -r now and now it doesn't want to boot :P Sep 04 06:12:57 i need to grab a third line Sep 04 06:13:07 screw the cable tv Sep 04 06:13:11 i need more internet :P Sep 04 06:13:25 yer, if it's anything like british cable, it's easy to hack Sep 04 06:13:34 i don't even care Sep 04 06:14:30 at 3Mbps, i can stream 720p, i think :P Sep 04 06:15:33 what's the upstream, though? ;) Sep 04 06:15:50 .... 2Mbps <_< Sep 04 06:16:03 combined >_< Sep 04 06:16:26 Well, google have made an linux chrome port but after the security flaw, I don't think I want to install it :P Sep 04 06:17:04 lol? Sep 04 06:17:16 i wish comcast would sell me my package i have with up/downstream reversed Sep 04 06:17:21 a security flaw already? Sep 04 06:17:24 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_flaw_in_google_chrome.php Sep 04 06:17:29 hahaha Sep 04 06:21:05 pfft security flaw Sep 04 06:22:43 pffft, *previously patched* security flaw Sep 04 06:27:19 pfft, more like a user stupidity flaw Sep 04 06:27:33 * rm_you is not worried Sep 04 06:27:49 rm_you: how? Sep 04 06:28:09 * doc|home thinks we have our first chromium fanboi :) Sep 04 06:28:22 any time a user has to actually click through things to make the bad things happen, that's a user stupidity flaw <_< Sep 04 06:29:01 yes, it could be better, but it isn't by any means the "gaping security flaw" that all the news sites are toting it as Sep 04 06:29:18 i was thinking it would like, automatically execute code on my machine Sep 04 06:29:24 which would be bad Sep 04 06:29:37 as long as i'm semi-intelligent, there's no danger <_< Sep 04 06:30:10 also, i hadn't even used chrome till just now... i downloaded it about 3 minutes ago specifically to test out this "flaw" Sep 04 06:30:19 i just hate all the fear-mongering Sep 04 06:31:03 if this is the worst news, it's doing pretty well as far as security Sep 04 06:32:11 GeneralAntilles: No fair, I want to see more beagleboard porn Sep 04 06:32:29 hrm Sep 04 06:32:38 it's open source. Sep 04 06:32:39 rm_you: java apps are supposed to be sandboxed, if they can save shit to your harddisk it's most definitely a problem Sep 04 06:32:40 neat Sep 04 06:33:06 qwerty12, I left the good camera at home Sep 04 06:33:07 java apps can save to your hd, you're thinking of applets Sep 04 06:33:20 GeneralAntilles: Ah :) Sep 04 06:33:21 I'm not sure I can bring myself to shoot pictures of it with the crap one I've got here. Sep 04 06:33:24 mavhc: yes, sorry, I meant applets Sep 04 06:33:25 ... mine popped up and said "where would you like to save this file?" so i selected a place, and then it downloaded, and popped itself into the download bar on the bottom... and when i clicked it, it ran... exactly expected behavior, IMO Sep 04 06:33:40 rm_you: that doesn't sound like what the article mentions Sep 04 06:33:41 yeah Sep 04 06:33:57 what's this gaping security flaw, url? Sep 04 06:34:05 http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_flaw_in_google_chrome.php Sep 04 06:34:13 demo: http://raffon.net/research/google/chrome/carpet.html Sep 04 06:34:32 basically the same thing in opera, except i need to double click Sep 04 06:34:43 firefox, same, just requires doubleclick Sep 04 06:34:52 this is stupid <_< Sep 04 06:35:19 if there's a save dialog then yeah, it's stupid, but wasn't it the lack of one they were mentioning Sep 04 06:35:25 it's like cheney iis writing software reviews Sep 04 06:35:34 cheney can write? Sep 04 06:35:48 That piece of shit can't do nothing Sep 04 06:35:51 with hot lead Sep 04 06:36:22 ohhhh, in the options i have "ask me for download location" set Sep 04 06:36:22 what a cheap fucking way to get hits on a website Sep 04 06:36:29 why didn't i think of that Sep 04 06:36:37 ... Sep 04 06:36:52 sec, lemmie turn that off in firefox and see if it does the same thing Sep 04 06:40:56 ah no, firefox doesn't do what i expect it to do... Sep 04 06:41:08 meaning, it seems to entirely ignore my settings for auto-downloading Sep 04 06:41:16 i guess that's "more secure"?! Sep 04 06:41:18 >_< Sep 04 06:41:20 3? Sep 04 06:41:35 no, 2 :/ Sep 04 06:41:41 i need to update, don't I <_< Sep 04 06:42:01 well Sep 04 06:42:23 i use 3 and i can save something with one click Sep 04 06:42:40 i don't see how that's any diferent Sep 04 06:42:55 always been able to do it Sep 04 06:43:43 so am i not the only person that thinks this "security scare" is a bit far-fetched? Sep 04 06:43:53 it's bull Sep 04 06:44:00 but it;s a good wy to get hits Sep 04 06:44:06 yeah, thanks Sep 04 06:44:14 someone else thinks it's kind of bogus Sep 04 06:44:38 gaping security flaw + chrome in your link title Sep 04 06:44:49 only way to garner more bloglinks would be to mention the iphone Sep 04 06:45:15 hah Sep 04 06:58:44 wow, so that safari nightly build is actually pretty neat Sep 04 06:58:56 i like watching acid3 just fly to completion :P Sep 04 07:03:50 qwerty12: doesn't want to boot? Sep 04 07:03:56 Stskeeps: nope Sep 04 07:04:00 where does it stall? Sep 04 07:04:16 give me a sec, i'll start it again Sep 04 07:04:59 i had a weird issue with screen being dimmed, rebooting from ssh, and then it just went into a dead mode where it was obviously restarted, but it didn't want to boot from power key Sep 04 07:05:10 had to pop battery Sep 04 07:05:23 Stskeeps: /etc/rc2.d/S89cron: 49: tail: not found Sep 04 07:05:28 eh Sep 04 07:05:29 Stopping boot logger: bootlog Sep 04 07:05:39 dsp_dld: event detected Sep 04 07:05:51 wtf @ tail not found Sep 04 07:05:51 The most exciting thing I did was install irssi :P Sep 04 07:05:59 I dunno :( Sep 04 07:06:00 ext2 or ext3? Sep 04 07:06:03 ext2 Sep 04 07:06:15 i've seen extreme examples where ext2 wiped out a lot of files Sep 04 07:06:19 i use ext3 for this reason Sep 04 07:06:21 qwerty12, added a few more shots with the crap camera. :P Sep 04 07:06:32 Stskeeps: I will reformat ext4 Sep 04 07:06:34 even if it does more wearing, it's more secur Sep 04 07:06:34 *3 Sep 04 07:06:34 e Sep 04 07:06:38 GeneralAntilles: Thanks :) Sep 04 07:06:42 aww Sep 04 07:06:49 i was like... ext4! woot! :P Sep 04 07:06:56 lol :P Sep 04 07:07:12 now with.... even more journaling? Sep 04 07:07:20 anyways, sleep :P Sep 04 07:07:24 * rm_you sleeps Sep 04 07:07:37 are the mmc cards on two different channels btw? *considers journalling on external device..* Sep 04 07:08:29 no idea Sep 04 07:09:10 morning all Sep 04 07:10:29 * rm_you wonders how well chrome//linux would port to a mobile device, like, for instance, a NIT Sep 04 07:11:18 It's about as bloated as it can get Sep 04 07:11:27 ~200MB of RAM doing nothing. Sep 04 07:11:39 It's designed to thrive on speed and power. Sep 04 07:11:46 Not play nice in a limited environment. Sep 04 07:12:01 hrm Sep 04 07:12:15 just seems like it would be nice to have a webkit browser with a really nice interface Sep 04 07:12:24 epiphany-webkit exists though Sep 04 07:12:58 <_< Sep 04 07:13:29 well, sleep Sep 04 07:13:34 * rm_you actually sleeps Sep 04 07:14:22 * qwerty12 got directfb compiled with the omap gfx driver, I'll compile some test apps later and try them out :> Sep 04 08:20:02 Morning, all Sep 04 08:20:10 morning Sep 04 11:25:31 hmmm voting page comes up with only "Maemo Community council election September 2008" and no content after i login with the token specified Sep 04 11:25:59 click on that link Sep 04 11:26:33 lardman, i did Sep 04 11:26:38 oh Sep 04 11:27:00 for me it took *ages* to load. Sep 04 11:27:17 i just put the tab in the background and did other stuff ;) Sep 04 11:27:25 went here: http://maemo.org/vote/ selected which election, entered email addy and token, then it brought up an almost blank page Sep 04 11:27:40 page is complete though Sep 04 11:27:49 it was quick and is not pending any further information Sep 04 11:28:33 * lcuk must not be welcome to vote :( Sep 04 11:28:37 lol Sep 04 11:28:48 sure you didn't sleep-vote last night? :) Sep 04 11:29:01 positive - first time ive used the token Sep 04 11:29:13 and no wine recently either Sep 04 11:29:35 but beer? :) Sep 04 11:30:12 or schnaps? :) Sep 04 11:30:12 no Sep 04 11:30:15 i had bacon Sep 04 11:30:19 hmmm :) Sep 04 11:30:39 * XTL is starving Sep 04 11:30:45 i wasnt going to, but the bread was frozen, and a ham sandwich on toast just isnt the same- so i made a blt :) Sep 04 11:30:53 * jott gets hungry too after all this bacon talk :) Sep 04 11:31:18 :D heh i love my keyword trigger. i am eternally grateful for lardman for giving me the idea Sep 04 11:31:35 oi! Sep 04 11:31:47 making me hungry too, only 30min till lunch :) Sep 04 11:35:42 heh lol Sep 04 11:36:07 lcuk infected everyone with a bacon virus Sep 04 11:36:10 theres no reported bugs Sep 04 11:36:13 * lcuk is confuddled Sep 04 11:36:26 if you think its bad now, just wait for the summit Sep 04 11:36:31 try again? Sep 04 11:36:42 no bacon in Germany you mean?# Sep 04 11:37:24 you get bacon here, no worries :) Sep 04 11:37:55 good good Sep 04 11:38:06 lardman, no i have written "i am hungry" Sep 04 11:38:25 think of the iphone app "i am rich" but involving bacon :) Sep 04 11:38:42 you should really put the word bacon in it ;) Sep 04 11:38:51 otherwise you might just get a salad ;) Sep 04 11:39:15 yer, but if you put bacon into a salad, it stops being a sald and becomes "hunt the bacon" Sep 04 11:39:27 ;> Sep 04 11:39:44 i heard that before ;) Sep 04 11:40:07 ;) some comedian guy in a standup routine telling far too many bacon jokes Sep 04 11:40:08 but remember it might be salad without bacon :). Sep 04 11:40:17 ah right. i saw this ;) Sep 04 11:40:24 NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOoOoOooooOOOoOoooo Sep 04 11:41:05 looking at the results ive got, its a problem within vote.php - something is making it bail before its added the content for the next step (i assume candidate list) Sep 04 11:54:57 looks like it cannot open the database - i dont know tonnes about php, but following the source for vote.php (actual source dave gave a link before he went on holiday a few weeks ago) Sep 04 11:59:42 <_marcell_> lcuk: I asked bergie to take a look Sep 04 12:00:01 i also sent a mail back to dave :) thanks marcell Sep 04 12:04:19 damn, gotta run, bbiab Sep 04 12:06:01 lcuk: if ($user=="lcuk") exit(); ? ;) Sep 04 12:31:09 what is the gstreamer-tools package apt-get repository url? I have installed deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free and deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt bora main into sources.list but it doesnt work Sep 04 12:36:54 Hi all Sep 04 12:37:10 Just a quick question Sep 04 12:39:05 Can I repartition the external mmc card on a N810 using the usb cable? The N810 is unable to finish booting because I borked rootfs partition, and I want to put debian in the external card to boot from there Sep 04 12:40:05 dunno why it wouldn't be possible Sep 04 12:41:51 That is, the access to the mmc card through usb cable is direct then Sep 04 12:43:01 mib1: rootfs partition, - cloned OS2008 or? Sep 04 12:43:34 yay!! Sep 04 12:43:57 the google maps service now allows mapping of my country (probably not complete but still!!!) Sep 04 12:44:22 great, now I can use maemo mapper with my n810 (used a roadmap svn branch until now) Sep 04 12:45:35 rootfs partition in internal jffs2 flash, Diablo, I borked it by linking /var/tmp to /tmp to avoid writes to internal flash Sep 04 12:46:39 Now it hangs at the end of boot process. I need to boot from mmc to fix it Sep 04 12:52:24 what is the responsibility for OS2008 gstreamer? thanks... Sep 04 12:53:18 roadies, erhm, everything sound related ? Sep 04 12:53:31 roadies, well, not everything, but it's just a very big thing, why ? Sep 04 12:54:26 crashanddie: I'm trying to use the gst-launch tool... which isnt on my OS2008 n810 Sep 04 12:54:50 do you have diablo or just chinook ? Sep 04 12:55:04 diablo Sep 04 12:55:15 hang on, lemme try Sep 04 12:56:28 roadies, if it's of any comfort to you, I don't have it on my NIT either ;) Sep 04 12:57:28 crashanddie: one always love company.... even when its two deer in headlights ;-) Sep 04 12:59:39 roadies, gst-launch is apparently in the gstreamer-tools package Sep 04 13:00:03 roadies, which sadly, I don't see in the repo Sep 04 13:00:42 yes and that defines my problem..... Sep 04 13:01:12 crashanddie: thanks for looking Sep 04 13:20:36 Hehe, darius is at it again Sep 04 14:06:31 * lardman wonders if the latest tremor code is markedly better than the probaby rather old tremor-lowmem code Sep 04 14:10:13 I doubt it. The whole project has been fairly dormant for years. Sep 04 14:10:47 I've seen a mistake in the lowmem-no-byte code, namely the requirement of a 8bit byte type Sep 04 14:10:56 If you've got the RAM, though, you shouldn't be using lowmem. Sep 04 14:11:10 nah, pretty limited really on the DSP Sep 04 14:11:10 It's much slower. Sep 04 14:11:13 oh Sep 04 14:11:18 well that may be troublesome Sep 04 14:11:38 are there figures for the memory requrements lying about anywhere? Sep 04 14:12:02 Check the mailing list archives. Sep 04 14:12:12 codebook.c on the latest Tremor code looks far less complex than that in the lowmem-(nobyte) code Sep 04 14:12:15 ok, will do Sep 04 14:12:42 I seem to recall some, but I'm typing this on my NIT at a conference, so... Sep 04 14:13:26 no probs, I'm just wondering if I should cut my losses and think about porting from Tremor proper, or continuing the way I am Sep 04 14:21:56 http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/sprp525/sprp525.pdf they make it sound so easy :) Sep 04 14:26:00 woot, new kernel source diablo available. I'll update my kernel to that version, even if it is the same :P Sep 04 14:26:05 lcuk: you see dneary's email? Sep 04 14:26:13 qwerty12: :) Sep 04 14:26:14 someone called? Sep 04 14:26:21 hey lardman :) Sep 04 14:26:34 dneary: lcuk was complaining that he couldn't vote earlier Sep 04 14:26:42 lardman: Ah Sep 04 14:26:48 I send so many :) Sep 04 14:26:51 lardman: oooooh Sep 04 14:26:57 I was wondering which one you were talking about Sep 04 14:27:17 fair enough, the one that just popped up in my inbox then :) Sep 04 14:27:43 Funny - I've been getting a lot of people replying to the voting token mail, resulting in that thread having new mail, but it being slightly hidden in Thunderbird on account of the thread being older Sep 04 14:27:59 lardman: Ah! That clears it up Sep 04 14:32:06 andrewfblack: you here? Sep 04 14:39:14 I'm here Sep 04 14:43:31 serious note, tsk tsk - you made changes to something which didnt need them - and you also forgot to update the date embedded within the vote.php page (it sends it to the client as meta info) and also, if theres a voting problem you left the gnome address there :P Sep 04 14:43:44 hmmm where did half that go Sep 04 14:44:14 dneary hahahaha @ changes, does it mean i can vote now? Sep 04 14:44:25 lcuk: Normally, yes Sep 04 14:44:28 mentally reverse the order of those posts ^ Sep 04 14:45:03 * lcuk made a similar cockup today :) Sep 04 14:46:45 I still can't figure out why I didn't get a vote email to my second maemo account Sep 04 14:46:58 I don't know if my work killed it as spam or what Sep 04 14:47:17 :( Sep 04 14:47:31 sue IT Sep 04 14:53:08 ~curse hal, udev and all the other crap that automounts my partitions Sep 04 14:53:09 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, hal, udev and all the other crap that automounts my partitions ! Sep 04 14:54:15 the time is right to check out diable now :-) Sep 04 14:54:49 lmao, darius is calling anidel a troll and darius is a legend in poland Sep 04 14:54:51 diablo Sep 04 14:58:29 Hi all! Sep 04 14:59:28 I thought I'd make an introduction Sep 04 15:00:10 I'm the new Nokia project manager for the maemo.org hardware and service side Sep 04 15:00:20 Hello Sep 04 15:00:37 hi tekojo Sep 04 15:00:43 Hi Sep 04 15:00:49 Heh, nice to meet you tekojo. I'm the local #maemo troll :P :) Sep 04 15:00:49 cool, tekojo is around! hej hej! (we met a week ago) :) Sep 04 15:01:12 Hi andre! good to talk again Sep 04 15:01:46 qwerty12 I notice, I've lurked a couple of times here this week Sep 04 15:02:36 :), I do have my occasions where I am useful :). Sep 04 15:02:57 just a few qwerty12 :) Sep 04 15:03:03 Based on my limited experience, definately yes Sep 04 15:03:26 I just have to curb my swearing habit on this channel :) Sep 04 15:03:58 Is this a family friendly place? Sep 04 15:04:36 Hmm, I'm 15, anyone younger here? Others swear sometimes but not as much as me + I use more words :P Sep 04 15:04:45 more or less, apart from the daily rant on nokia :-P Sep 04 15:05:00 or complaining about code Sep 04 15:05:01 :P Sep 04 15:05:08 right Sep 04 15:05:16 :) Sep 04 15:05:31 young people always swear more Sep 04 15:05:33 I'm ~lart'ing and ~curse'ing all the time Sep 04 15:05:46 ~lart andrewfblack for that stereotype for example Sep 04 15:05:46 * infobot smacks andrewfblack for that stereotype up side the head with a clue-by-4 for example Sep 04 15:05:52 :P Sep 04 15:06:15 hey shouldn't you be in school Sep 04 15:06:35 Nay, this is BST, I was already out an hour ago :P Sep 04 15:07:20 yeah I know I was just messing with you Sep 04 15:07:20 tekojo, are there plans to blog on planet maemo about your tasks (and maybe changes)? Sep 04 15:07:29 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde.png <- lxde is kinda neat on the tablet Sep 04 15:07:58 Yes, I'll try to get the team maemo blog going again Sep 04 15:08:10 ah, right, even the team one... i like that idea Sep 04 15:08:14 looking forward to that Sep 04 15:08:47 Yes, and I intend to someone else to give an occational line or two too Sep 04 15:08:51 * yacoob skims backlog. qwerty12, you youngling! get off my lawn! Sep 04 15:09:24 qwerty12: after a year on irc i swore like a sailor Sep 04 15:09:37 * qwerty12 pops yacoob. You get off the lawn, you're staining it with your blood! Sep 04 15:09:37 (started at 13 :P) Sep 04 15:09:43 Stskeeps: lol Sep 04 15:10:18 qwerty12 was in diapers when I started using IRC :) Sep 04 15:10:25 Bah! When I was your age I... I... uh... I kept music down, you little! Sep 04 15:10:45 Stskeeps: Sorry but I switched from nit-env-stskeeps to the gnome one. env-stskeeps is too minimal for me Sep 04 15:10:53 andrewfblack: so, is that why you use mibbit? Sep 04 15:10:57 yacoob: lol :P Sep 04 15:10:59 qwerty12: i got tired of nit-env-stskeeps too - it was mainly something to illustrate use of deblet tech Sep 04 15:11:11 qwerty12: new std environment would prolly be lxde based Sep 04 15:11:20 cool, lxde looks good Sep 04 15:11:35 qwerty12 I use mibbit because I have enough crap on my work computer to get me fired as it is Sep 04 15:11:52 andrewfblack: have you seen my user area at school? Sep 04 15:12:05 I havn't found a decent looking on that runs off of USB yet Sep 04 15:12:13 qwerty12 nope Sep 04 15:12:30 I keep games and some hax tools there Sep 04 15:12:50 ~lart directfb for the omap driver not working Sep 04 15:12:50 * infobot executes killall -HUP directfb for the omap driver not working Sep 04 15:13:28 I think alot more on my school computer as well but back then we didn't need admin to install stuff like now Sep 04 15:13:52 I needed admin, so I went out and got it Sep 04 15:14:14 Stskeeps: soon as I get debian working, I'll work on mpd for sure Sep 04 15:14:49 Stskeeps: without a proper esd daemon though, the sound is going to be awful though unless alsa actually works in debian? Sep 04 15:15:12 qwerty12: fillin package that performs modifications should do the trick Sep 04 15:15:15 alsa does work Sep 04 15:15:32 atleast alsaplayer does Sep 04 15:15:45 Stskeeps: alsaplayer was producing *horrible* sound y/day Sep 04 15:16:06 Stskeeps: dunno about a fillin package, I prefer to make changes directly to the deb file and then update the md5sums Sep 04 15:16:36 or delete the md5sums if I changed/added too many files :P Sep 04 15:20:50 sorry Sep 04 15:21:11 * lbt couldn't resist prodding the troll Sep 04 15:21:49 lbt: did you get the initfs toolchain set up? Sep 04 15:22:12 downloaded it Sep 04 15:22:23 * qwerty12 used the tar.gz version Sep 04 15:22:26 been working today Sep 04 15:22:33 work?!? :O Sep 04 15:22:52 * qwerty12 had all double lessons today >.< Sep 04 15:22:56 I know Sep 04 15:28:26 zenity --scale --max-value=127 --print-partial | sudo xargs -L 1 /bin/set_backlight Sep 04 15:28:33 ^ backlight scale in a line Sep 04 15:28:37 heh Sep 04 15:28:52 (set_backlight > something/panel/backlight_level Sep 04 15:29:15 i guess i should use dsme instead thoug Sep 04 15:29:16 h Sep 04 15:37:38 mm, that itt thread is quite entertaining Sep 04 15:38:35 hi, is there a way to turn off the warning when installing a non-nokia app? ""Nokia has neither created nor delivered this software ..." Sep 04 15:39:07 hack h-a-m Sep 04 15:39:12 ustunozgur_: Modify the app installer source, I made some patches somewhere for removing that message but they are out of date Sep 04 15:40:49 qwerty12: ok, thanks. Sep 04 15:41:15 I don't think I have them anymore but I'm not a programmer but I was able to read that code :) Sep 04 15:41:45 strange I am banned from joining a channel I've never joined before Sep 04 15:42:04 Probably because you are using mibbit Sep 04 15:42:15 thats screwed up Sep 04 15:42:31 some chans don't accept web client Sep 04 15:42:49 some channels require identify Sep 04 15:44:58 the function names are appropriately "annoy user" and such. here https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/src/util.cc Sep 04 15:45:48 look for show legalese too Sep 04 15:46:32 I just patch the source to jump straight to the installing function, you have to patch it in two places, one for installing from a repo, one for installing from a local deb Sep 04 15:47:04 iirc, the file you want to look at is operations.cc Sep 04 15:48:09 well I even tried to install Mirc and can't connect they must be blocking a port Sep 04 15:48:38 I guess I could VNC to home computer and just Chat from there Sep 04 15:49:21 You should run linux on your home computer and ssh from your workplace ;) Sep 04 15:50:03 I run linux on 2 of my servers but windows on my main computers Sep 04 15:50:26 :) Sep 04 15:50:57 I have always played to many games to use linux on main computer Sep 04 15:52:20 do you know if darius jack come to maemo summit ? Sep 04 15:52:46 If he is, have the tomatoes ready Sep 04 15:53:59 http://www.embeddedtechjournal.com/articles_2005/20051004_arm.htm interesting Sep 04 15:54:21 arg i ve think to buy some some week before ... Sep 04 15:54:33 lardman: mind sharing me an English version please? :) Sep 04 15:54:47 as if i buy it now ... there will not moisture ... Sep 04 15:55:06 need it translated to cockney rhyming slang hey? ;) Sep 04 15:55:13 s/will/will have Sep 04 15:55:33 lardman: Nah, hate that rubbish, I'm not even from London, instead it's all about modern slang :P Sep 04 15:55:48 > > COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! Sep 04 15:55:48 > Sep 04 15:55:48 > Sep 04 15:55:48 > Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why Sep 04 15:55:48 > dont you write Sep 04 15:55:49 > some code Sep 04 15:55:54 haha ... very funny Sep 04 15:56:56 Khertan2: Nice Python code :) Sep 04 15:57:54 cu all tomorrow Sep 04 15:58:19 maemo@bitblit.net == darius jack ? Sep 04 16:15:58 you know I remember windows used to come with an IRC client I wonde why they got ride of it Sep 04 16:16:34 Probably to push new users towards MSN Sep 04 16:18:46 'lo johnx Sep 04 16:18:50 hey Sep 04 16:19:04 how's it going? Sep 04 16:19:17 johnx: i'm writing a small thing that uses zenity and is insertable into lxde's application launch bar Sep 04 16:19:27 (that panel preferences is wonderful) Sep 04 16:19:43 also i've added nit-env-lxde (basically what is needed to get lxde running, nothing else) to repository Sep 04 16:19:56 johnx: oh, and it's the brightness adjustment :P Sep 04 16:20:24 I'm still trying to make matchbox-keyboard play nice with openbox Sep 04 16:20:36 yeah, that's prolly biggest challenge Sep 04 16:20:38 I didn't have much luck so I'm going to try lxde panel+matchbox Sep 04 16:20:55 I really did want the option of "floating" some windows though :/ Sep 04 16:21:06 yeah.. what about GNOME on screen keyboard? Sep 04 16:21:12 or doesnt it sit itself ideally into the screen? Sep 04 16:21:28 I haven't looked at it Sep 04 16:21:45 I like matchbox keyboard because it's so light and there's a nice thumbable key layout for it... Sep 04 16:22:13 yeah Sep 04 16:22:29 http://www.gok.ca/ Sep 04 16:22:54 yeah, looking at screenshots Sep 04 16:23:00 it's hideous looking O_o Sep 04 16:23:08 yup Sep 04 16:24:01 ouch : "ca pique les yeux Sep 04 16:24:12 " Sep 04 16:24:13 :) Sep 04 16:24:16 bye Sep 04 16:24:25 Something about eyes Sep 04 16:25:19 Stskeeps, well I built matchbox wm with session management, so I'll play with that first and see if it makes me happy Sep 04 16:25:35 ..."it hurts my eyes" for the non-frenchies :) Sep 04 16:28:13 Ta, my french sucks :) Sep 04 16:56:38 * lcuk stretches and yawns even thou hes been up for ages Sep 04 16:56:44 johnx: did you see my challenges post btw? Sep 04 16:56:56 erm...I don't think so Sep 04 16:57:05 on ITT? Sep 04 16:57:36 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23371 Sep 04 16:58:40 waving fresh meat in front of the people who like to hack their deblet ;) Sep 04 16:58:58 Stskeeps, you dont do things by halves do you - thats an impressive todo list Sep 04 16:59:07 lcuk: i'm just insane Sep 04 16:59:08 :P Sep 04 16:59:17 and any of these are bloody brilliant to have really Sep 04 16:59:18 not really - at least you are starting with a known os Sep 04 17:00:10 lcuk, nah, he's just insane...but I agree with him on not taking half measures :) Sep 04 17:00:23 * qwerty12 waits for his latest kernel to compile. at least the 35KB patch applied cleanly Sep 04 17:01:14 Stskeeps, whats keeping most of these things from being used directly from native debian? is it the underlying drivers? Sep 04 17:01:47 lcuk, *sigh* Nokia does things in strange ways a lot of the time Sep 04 17:01:53 what johnx said Sep 04 17:01:59 so there's a "linux way" and a "Nokia way" Sep 04 17:02:01 ideally they would be HAL values or something Sep 04 17:02:15 but it's not often there's a GUI for USB host/gadget for instance Sep 04 17:03:33 well, it's not often that's even a user configurable option :) Sep 04 17:03:45 embedded harware is always fun Sep 04 17:03:53 johnx: did you see lxlauncher btw? Sep 04 17:04:07 Stskeeps, yeah, I tried it but the font size is hardcoded Sep 04 17:04:13 It was Tony Lindgren's work with backporting usb host that started it off on N800 wasn't it? Sep 04 17:04:16 it looks pretty darn nice though Sep 04 17:04:49 Stskeeps, I have a somewhat novel idea for the lxde desktop though... Sep 04 17:04:53 johnx: mm? Sep 04 17:06:28 I'm just throwing this out as a concept, but I'm thinking of moving the "statusbar"/systray applets to a panel that's only visible when the desktop is shown Sep 04 17:06:47 Interesting, it's possible for the the WiMax chip to be run at 48Mhz Sep 04 17:07:12 I'd also like to be able to run some of the maemo desktop applets Sep 04 17:07:38 That's next on my list after playing with matchbox (or gnome) keyboard a little bit Sep 04 17:07:44 johnx: could be interesting.. i'm the type who'd like a shortcut to go to desktop then though Sep 04 17:07:53 like, keyboard shortcut Sep 04 17:08:35 the home key seems like a good candidate Sep 04 17:08:47 Stskeeps: btw, was the WEXT patch you used for the cx3100 the one of the mailing list? Sep 04 17:09:22 qwerty12: yes, but i applied an extra fix on top to make it signal it supports WPA etc Sep 04 17:09:29 qwerty12: any stability problems with that one? Sep 04 17:09:40 Thanks, no, I'm just curious :) Sep 04 17:09:53 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-brightness.png Sep 04 17:11:22 Stskeeps, gorgeous! Sep 04 17:11:35 ah, lxlauncher must work nice as long as you lie about the dpi... Sep 04 17:13:12 * johnx grumbles about people who don't think about high dpi screens when they write code... Sep 04 17:13:36 okay Sep 04 17:13:37 now i'm scared Sep 04 17:13:44 it says "Senior member" next to me on ITT :/ Sep 04 17:13:55 Stskeeps: happens above a certain post count Sep 04 17:14:01 yeah, just reached post 100 :P Sep 04 17:14:20 yeah, I don't want to think about how many posts I've made... Sep 04 17:15:09 On ITT, TBH, I don't really notice my post count Sep 04 17:15:38 look Qwerty12no Mibbit :) Sep 04 17:16:02 OMG, andrewfblack without mibbit? :P :) Sep 04 17:16:51 lol for a few mins this IRC over VNC will drive me crazy Sep 04 17:17:09 Stskeeps, are you using gdm with lxde? Sep 04 17:21:42 where could I find osso-software-version-rx44 ? Sep 04 17:21:46 I uninstalled it :( Sep 04 17:28:51 johnx: yes Sep 04 17:28:56 johnx: i made an autologin package Sep 04 17:29:08 well, b-man or fatalsaint did Sep 04 17:29:09 oups, i removed busybox Sep 04 17:29:29 Stskeeps, a package just to set the "autologin" bit in gdm or something else? Sep 04 17:29:45 johnx: something that makes it autologin to user in /etc/tablet_user Sep 04 17:29:50 in gdm Sep 04 17:29:55 fair enough Sep 04 17:30:01 it also starts up the X server sanely and all that jazz Sep 04 17:30:03 my setup is starting to diverge already... Sep 04 17:31:54 http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/nit-base-packages/nit-env-lxde/DEBIAN/control <- just a metapackage Sep 04 17:33:10 well the one thing about matchbox wm is it really works great with matchbox keyboard :/ Sep 04 17:33:13 yeah Sep 04 17:33:30 * johnx sighs Sep 04 17:33:41 i wonder what makes the magic happen Sep 04 17:34:05 it's just about window handling... Sep 04 17:34:12 Anybody using Pidgin? Sep 04 17:34:40 I *think* the same thing could be done in openbox if matchbox keyboard set its WM_CLASS to *anything* Sep 04 17:35:00 but it leaves it blank so openbox can't match against it...maybe devilspie is the answer... Sep 04 17:35:11 RST38h on a NIT Sep 04 17:35:58 yes Sep 04 17:36:27 Yes, currently Sep 04 17:38:01 do you know if it is worth installing collabora version in stead of nix? Sep 04 17:39:22 Sorry can't help haven't tried both Sep 04 17:40:04 I have the nix version Sep 04 17:40:06 are you using the nix one then? Sep 04 17:40:08 same here Sep 04 17:40:46 App Manager is offering to install the collabora version but it is 20MB extra Sep 04 17:41:34 20, that's a lot Sep 04 17:42:01 a lot of it can probably be deleted later Sep 04 17:48:40 johnx: hack matchbox-keyboard? :P Sep 04 17:48:53 yeah, maybe... Sep 04 17:48:57 trying to avoid that Sep 04 17:49:16 rtcom-beta-os2008: Depends: telepathy-haze (>= 0.2.0-1collabora1) but 0.1.4-0collabora1 is to be installed Sep 04 17:49:24 where would I find the right package? Sep 04 17:49:42 collabora repo Sep 04 17:51:15 Track This Sep 04 17:51:17 Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." Sep 04 17:51:23 Hehe Sep 04 17:51:54 RST38h, so you're getting into US politics these days? Sep 04 17:52:06 johnx: No, reading dailyrotten.com Sep 04 17:52:10 aaah Sep 04 17:52:23 johnx: Although I do have to admit that they have a lot in common Sep 04 17:52:45 RST38h, which repo? could you give me the url please? Sep 04 17:53:08 ah, the idea of censorship in the age of the internet...so quaint Sep 04 17:53:33 svu: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/ and search for package there Sep 04 17:53:39 It will let you install from the right repo Sep 04 17:54:01 johnx: censorship isn't interesting enough Sep 04 17:54:09 johnx: but book burning is nice, yes =) Sep 04 17:54:13 andrewfblack, back on mibbit :) Sep 04 17:54:16 Hi Sep 04 17:54:32 just a question , i lack of a good idea Sep 04 17:54:44 mCalendar can sync in background now Sep 04 17:54:59 but how can i avoid two sync at the same time Sep 04 17:55:08 create a lock file Sep 04 17:55:20 i ve think of a stupid file in /tmp Sep 04 17:55:26 basically, yes Sep 04 17:55:31 but if sync crash ... Sep 04 17:55:39 there is a method to avoid it gracefully Sep 04 17:55:45 RST38h, thanks! Sep 04 17:55:55 Into that file, write the timestamp of when you are starting to sync Sep 04 17:55:59 user will with message an other sync is in progress Sep 04 17:56:07 If the second sync can't open the lock file for writing Sep 04 17:56:15 It should open it for reading and check the time stamp Sep 04 17:56:25 RST38h ! hey great idea ! Sep 04 17:56:50 If the time stamp is "stale", find the hung process, kill it, remove the lock file, go back to square #1 Sep 04 17:57:38 thx for the tip RST38h Sep 04 18:01:44 RST38h, no updated version of telepathy-haze found :( Sep 04 18:16:35 Stskeeps: don't think i will be attempting to install deblet for a while, the 6th install attempt works fine until the watchdog reboots the tablet :( (nothing running on it, i was leaving it unattended) :( Sep 04 18:35:16 Wow, fennec is really slow. Sep 04 18:35:51 yes Sep 04 18:36:31 I was looking for a way to make noscript work on my n810. I guess I didn't find an answer yet. :) Sep 04 18:47:38 qwerty12_N800: weird Sep 04 18:55:18 qwerty12_N800: so it reboots during install? O_o Sep 04 18:56:13 Stskeeps: yeah :D, it was configuring gconf and cpu = 100% Sep 04 18:57:48 maybe an out-of-memory thing? Sep 04 18:57:48 qwerty12_N800: swap enabled or not? Sep 04 18:58:34 Stskeeps: swap enabled Sep 04 18:58:37 odd Sep 04 18:59:04 is there a way to disable/enable home applets from command line? Sep 04 18:59:41 X-Fade ping Sep 04 18:59:47 mikkov_: hacking the hildon-desktop .conf files Sep 04 19:00:25 anything more specific? I am trying to get applet to reload when upgrading Sep 04 19:01:38 python home applet if that matters Sep 04 19:04:33 deleting .desktop and creating it again seems to work Sep 04 19:05:04 or renaming to something else and back Sep 04 19:08:25 hello Sep 04 19:08:47 my nokia 770 has got a problem Sep 04 19:09:00 the mory card remain out Sep 04 19:09:22 so i must to press until memory enter Sep 04 19:09:28 in the slot Sep 04 19:10:03 at the same time says: that there is not any memory card inside Sep 04 19:10:11 what i can do ? Sep 04 19:12:12 Pavlx: sounds like a broken slot, or some dirt in it Sep 04 19:12:54 does not close Sep 04 19:13:02 is not dirty Sep 04 19:13:48 !seen X-Fade Sep 04 19:14:00 ~seen X-Fade Sep 04 19:14:09 x-fade is currently on #maemo (14m 22s), last said: 'murrayc: Probably later this day.'. Sep 04 19:16:22 ohgod Sep 04 19:16:34 You guys seriously didn't just spawn a huge troll thread on -developers? Sep 04 19:16:55 * MishaS wonders what thread is that... Sep 04 19:17:45 GeneralAntilles: darius is a fucktard Sep 04 19:17:57 The multitouch thread? Sep 04 19:18:09 qwerty12_N800, no shit. Sep 04 19:18:13 Yes, Darius's thread. Sep 04 19:18:25 * jott wonders how much karma darius would have :) Sep 04 19:18:47 probably way above 100 ;) Sep 04 19:18:55 Darius for president! Sep 04 19:20:39 so i must to stay one month wyhout pda Sep 04 19:21:30 I like the way he says others are trolling Sep 04 19:21:36 and i don't know how i must to pay why is out of warranty Sep 04 19:22:39 i would ask you a think Sep 04 19:23:11 the 810 has got wimax, but work s too as wifi or not ? Sep 04 19:24:04 because here wimax there is not again in italy and if there is, is to payment Sep 04 19:24:17 Pavlx: only the n810 wimax edition has wimax, the normal does not have wimax support. Sep 04 19:24:18 the n810 does not do wimax Sep 04 19:24:25 but both support wifi Sep 04 19:24:43 with 800 there is the wifi Sep 04 19:24:46 non c e molto wimax anche in francia ;-) Sep 04 19:25:08 if 810 has got too support for wi-fi is a good thing Sep 04 19:25:14 Pavlx: ^^.. Sep 04 19:25:32 all current its support wifi, and this will most likely not change in the next generations :) Sep 04 19:25:53 be it 770, n800, n810, n810wimax - all have wifi Sep 04 19:26:02 The N810W is probably gonna be tied pretty well to Sprint's network. Sep 04 19:26:13 Especially since I doubt the networks in Italy are 2.5GHz Sep 04 19:26:38 i must again to buy the 800 Sep 04 19:26:41 yes, and the n810w will probably be useless for anybody outside of the sprint wimax coverage anyway. Sep 04 19:26:44 aqnd the 810 Sep 04 19:26:58 Pavlx: the n810 (without W or Wimax) does not have wimax. Sep 04 19:27:15 but are not very cheap Sep 04 19:27:28 they are more expensive than n800, right. Sep 04 19:27:29 they costs a lot Sep 04 19:30:51 <__t> is Jamie Bennett here? Sep 04 19:31:03 No. Sep 04 19:34:49 ~seen JamieBennett Sep 04 19:34:50 jamiebennett was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 5h 36m 15s ago, saying: 'GAN8001: I'm a little disappointed that more didn't put themselves forward :('. Sep 04 19:35:43 how is expensive the nokia 800 ? Sep 04 19:36:10 it's more expensive in europe than in the states.. Sep 04 19:55:14 * GeneralAntilles is a sick puppy. Sep 04 19:55:34 I'd have vnc going from the Beagle to provide a "display" if OS X's USBNet driver weren't so old and crappy. Sep 04 19:58:34 can't be worse than ubuntu's :(. i swear they broke it in their subsequent kernel releases :( Sep 04 19:59:07 it's why i'm forced to use g_serial :/ Sep 04 20:00:19 I guess I need to go buy a USB network adaptor of some kind Sep 04 20:00:23 Not sure which to get, though. Sep 04 20:02:59 * RST38h would like to kill something Sep 04 20:03:17 try a small piece of paper Sep 04 20:03:26 mgedmin: something squishy! Sep 04 20:03:50 how about a cone of ice cream? Sep 04 20:03:51 Kill an artichoke, rip its heart out and eat it! Sep 04 20:04:20 preferably the guy who equipped this dev board with ethernet, wifi, 5 USB connectors, and an SD card slot but DID NOT install SSHD on it Sep 04 20:04:43 Yea, "I am a vegetarian not because I like animals but because I *hate* the plants" Sep 04 20:05:42 Hehe Sep 04 20:05:56 I hope they do not force me to boot off NFS Sep 04 20:06:41 Can anyone confirms if qt4 libs on devel-extras are corrupted? Sep 04 20:06:42 http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/diablo.html Sep 04 20:06:50 Hi, dneary. Sep 04 20:09:14 Anunakin: .. gnuton wanted to push an updated version by now. :( Sep 04 20:09:37 gnuton? Sep 04 20:09:49 hey ho Sep 04 20:09:54 hello dneary. Sep 04 20:10:09 Anunakin: the one who uploaded the maemo0 packages :) Sep 04 20:11:08 So, dneary, what do you think about starting to delete some of the pages in the old wiki that collide with new stuff on mediawiki? Sep 04 20:11:22 Anunakin: packages are actually fine, just the package db is out of sync (or the other way around, how ever you view it) Sep 04 20:11:25 GeneralAntilles: Collide how? Sep 04 20:11:35 Well, take the flashing articles Sep 04 20:11:41 They usually come up first in google searches Sep 04 20:11:43 i found the nokia n800 it is possible that i buy it Sep 04 20:11:46 or the booting from MMC articles. Sep 04 20:12:02 they ask few something 200 euro Sep 04 20:12:05 So people looking for that information tend to run into the old, outdated, inaccurate pages first. Sep 04 20:12:12 new never used Sep 04 20:12:30 I've been considering the old wiki 100% legacy now, and have been more or less ignoring it, beyond having the warning "this page is now useless and unmaintained - please see the new wiki (and move this page there & update it if you think it's still relevant) Sep 04 20:12:52 So we need to make the new wiki Google trawlable - is it right now? Sep 04 20:12:52 Problem is, google and other sources aren't also ignoring it. Sep 04 20:12:56 Pavlx, the n810 is about 359 € now, brand new Sep 04 20:12:57 change the page background to olive green Sep 04 20:13:04 or if any of you want to sell me a nokia n800 i am very happy Sep 04 20:13:10 That will make people stay away from the old pages =) Sep 04 20:13:18 i speaked ok n800 Sep 04 20:13:24 not n810 Sep 04 20:13:39 Pavlx, ah ok, you want the n800 Sep 04 20:14:01 yes, for 360 euro, is out of me Sep 04 20:14:24 very expensive now Sep 04 20:14:53 why we don't wait to buy, until to buy to these prices very high ? Sep 04 20:15:42 The new wiki is on the google results pages Sep 04 20:15:46 just not ranked as high. Sep 04 20:15:48 Pavlx, try to buy a used one, I see a n800 for 150 € in a ebay like store two moths of use Sep 04 20:16:08 But, really, the clearly redundant and problem solving stuff just needs to be deleted Sep 04 20:16:12 like the flashing articles Sep 04 20:16:22 archived? Sep 04 20:16:22 s/solving/creating/ Sep 04 20:16:34 lardman, that doesn't stop google. Sep 04 20:16:57 yes, but if we don't buy the prices go down Sep 04 20:16:58 Take: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=flashing+maemo&btnG=Search Sep 04 20:17:11 GeneralAntilles: true Sep 04 20:17:17 The good result is 5 items down. Sep 04 20:17:20 The crap results are right on top. Sep 04 20:17:22 jott: ok! Sep 04 20:17:23 Pavlx, lol Sep 04 20:17:51 change those pages to point to the correct one with a big warning at the top, etc,? Sep 04 20:17:53 or http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=boot+from+sd+maemo&btnG=Search Sep 04 20:18:01 Just delete them Sep 04 20:18:04 there's nothing useful in them. Sep 04 20:18:19 Just less-clear and outdated flashing instructions. Sep 04 20:18:36 yeah, fair enough, just a thought Sep 04 20:19:31 why nokia continue to use opera ? Sep 04 20:19:49 they dont Sep 04 20:20:00 is dimostrated that minimo and others are better Sep 04 20:20:13 on n800 and n810 Sep 04 20:20:22 maemo is using mozilla based browser Sep 04 20:20:32 opera is old stuff Sep 04 20:20:55 but they install Sep 04 20:21:29 you can not use opera with latest OS version Sep 04 20:21:40 and then shared directories Sep 04 20:21:53 that are hidden Sep 04 20:22:04 programs as flash Sep 04 20:22:23 others to support mp3, wav, avi, wmv Sep 04 20:22:59 is easy to do a cross compile of ffmpeg2theora from the source code Sep 04 20:23:26 and than exec on nokia Sep 04 20:24:31 and to convert a movie is necessary to write ./ffmpeg2theora-version of theora and the name of movie with extension Sep 04 20:25:08 to press enter and after times, you got a movie in *ogv (ogg video) Sep 04 20:25:26 my login in maemo wiki is always expiring, if a login and then click on something the login expires in the moment, anyone experiencing that to ? Sep 04 20:26:28 donìt ask me i never listened something of this type Sep 04 20:26:53 is the first time i listen a similar problem Sep 04 20:27:12 so VDsx, i can't help you Sep 04 20:27:22 VDVsx Sep 04 20:27:42 GeneralAntilles: You're probably right. Sep 04 20:27:58 I've avoided working on anything midgard since the new wiki's there though Sep 04 20:28:07 performance has just been so awful Sep 04 20:28:10 It's been painful Sep 04 20:29:41 Yeah, it can probably wait until after the server upgrades Sep 04 20:29:57 Do you happen to have a Special:Allpages equivalent for the Midgard wiki handy, though? Sep 04 20:30:15 excuse me guys Sep 04 20:30:48 i say to you bye bye, i go to see a little of telly and i continue tomorrow Sep 04 20:31:32 at the same time i would inform that in these dsys the GNU Project has done 25th years Sep 04 20:31:50 i invite for a moment to see http://gnu.org Sep 04 20:32:00 bye bye Sep 04 20:32:03 paolo Sep 04 20:39:50 GeneralAntilles: google inurl:http://maemo.org/community/wiki ? :) Sep 04 20:49:18 Iron.Man.DVDRip.XviD.INTERNAL-BeStDivX Sep 04 20:49:20 immmmm Sep 04 20:57:09 Italodance: not sure how's that relevant to tablets or maemo .. :P Sep 04 20:59:26 it's not a deblet but a warezlet :) Sep 04 20:59:33 jott, does that give me a list of all pages on the midgard wiki? Sep 04 20:59:51 GeneralAntilles: i think it should give you all those indexed by google. Sep 04 21:00:09 http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Allpages Sep 04 21:00:12 That's what I'm after. Sep 04 21:00:54 GeneralAntilles: it returns all results that have "http://maemo.org/community/wiki" in the url, so that should cover all wiki pages ;) Sep 04 21:01:03 but a proper internal page would be better Sep 04 21:01:03 jott: after seeing people ask for ed2k for maemo i wonder their sanity.. Sep 04 21:01:03 :P Sep 04 21:01:18 I know dneary has something from when the migration took place, anyway. Sep 04 21:01:45 GeneralAntilles: There was a wiki page with a list of all the pages Sep 04 21:01:56 I made it all by myself. Sep 04 21:01:59 Ha Sep 04 21:02:01 Fun stuff Sep 04 21:02:03 Link? Sep 04 21:02:05 On my ownsest Sep 04 21:02:11 Stskeeps: you could walk around the street and use a foreign wlan to hide your traces :P Sep 04 21:02:29 jott: true, true Sep 04 21:02:32 https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ ? Sep 04 21:02:49 but then again i could do the same with a n810 + a laptop in the backpack connected through usb Sep 04 21:02:52 :P Sep 04 21:04:03 https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikipagelist/ Sep 04 21:06:40 Thanks, I'm gonna go through and compile a list of pages which really need to die. Sep 04 21:09:51 <__t> why iss the https://wiki.maemo.org/ so f***ing slow? Sep 04 21:10:35 Because the server is overloaded. Sep 04 21:10:43 upgrades are imminent. Sep 04 21:14:48 <__t> who can do this? Sep 04 21:14:55 Er Sep 04 21:15:01 Upgrade the servers? Sep 04 21:15:03 The maemo.org people Sep 04 21:15:05 They're working on it. Sep 04 21:15:09 yupp Sep 04 22:13:25 derf: there appears to be no difference even if I #define malloc to allocate 2* the requested data Sep 04 22:14:55 lardman <-- is in trouble Sep 04 22:15:20 yeah, annoying dsp-tremor errors :( Sep 04 22:20:08 hmm, address of one of the buffers is still 1 Sep 04 22:21:00 work=(ogg_uint32_t *)_ogg_malloc((s->used_entries*2-2)*sizeof(*work)); Sep 04 22:21:07 dbg(&task_ivorbisidec,"_make_decode_table: sizeof(*work)=%u, work=[%d,%d]\n", Sep 04 22:21:08 (ogg_uint16_t)sizeof(*work), (ogg_uint16_t)((ogg_uint32_t)work & 0xffff), (ogg_uint16_t)((ogg_uint32_t)work>>16 & 0xffff)); Sep 04 22:21:13 yuck Sep 04 22:21:34 [224751.554687] _make_decode_table: sizeof(*work)=2, work=[1,0] Sep 04 22:21:39 just to finish it off Sep 04 22:22:29 hmm, cast to unsigned but trying to output as signed, should check that Sep 04 22:23:55 still comes out as 1 anyway, not negative Sep 04 22:24:49 hi peoples. is there a way to tell maemo mapper to download several map sizes of some areas (without having to "visit" them with maemo mapper ? Sep 04 22:25:09 yes, there's a dialog where you can set an area to download Sep 04 22:25:15 manage maps I think Sep 04 22:25:23 somewhere in that menu anyway Sep 04 22:26:55 and another issue - when travel 10-15 kilometres with the gps on on maemo mapper, it seems like maemo mapper is eating up all my memory. My simple guess would be that it never free'es cached pixmaps for areas you have been ? Sep 04 22:27:46 pusling: no idea, does it depend on speed? You can always look at the source code in Garage Sep 04 22:29:03 * pusling doesn't really like sourcecode which uses libraries begininng with g. Sep 04 22:29:49 ? Sep 04 22:29:55 glib? Sep 04 22:29:59 gtk Sep 04 22:30:10 ah well Sep 04 22:32:05 If i make the file /etc/no_lg_reboots, do i have to reboot the tablet before it's picked up by dsme? Sep 04 22:32:52 no idea Sep 04 22:33:52 watchdog fuxed up my 2nd loong gnome debian install :) Sep 04 22:37:09 argh, ran out of space for static (aka dbg text string) data Sep 04 22:37:34 what's the relation between files I see in hte file browser on hte n810 and files I see when I plug it into my computer? how do I move files between the two? Sep 04 22:38:13 I copied music onto the device but don't know where it is (although I can play it), and I have pdfs in hte Documents folder that I need to get off the device before I flash it Sep 04 22:38:14 computer is /media/mmc1 and /media/mmc2 Sep 04 22:38:23 Internal and External cards in File Manager Sep 04 22:38:24 s/is/sees Sep 04 22:38:37 /home/user/MyDocs/.documents etc is the other Sep 04 22:38:43 You don't want to keep things on the rootfs. Sep 04 22:38:47 I'm not seeing Internal or External Sep 04 22:39:06 Or whatever you have your cards named Sep 04 22:39:08 I don't have a flash card Sep 04 22:39:11 Er Sep 04 22:39:15 I've just got the usb cable Sep 04 22:39:22 Then you're not mounting anything on the computer. Sep 04 22:39:35 Windows should still see the built-in internal one, unless there;s something using it when you attach the usb cable Sep 04 22:39:40 Oh, right. Sep 04 22:39:41 N810 Sep 04 22:39:46 I am. I plug it into hte computer and I see Music, Video, tmp, map Sep 04 22:40:00 on a new drive letter? Sep 04 22:40:03 linux Sep 04 22:40:14 /media/mmc2 Sep 04 22:40:15 new mount point then? Sep 04 22:40:19 I am using hte n810 at the same time Sep 04 22:40:30 it decided to put it on /media/disk Sep 04 22:40:37 sounds about right Sep 04 22:40:42 hi Chani Sep 04 22:40:43 that's the internal flash memory Sep 04 22:41:44 hmm. Sep 04 22:42:06 on hte n810 file manager, I see things like Documents, Images, etc... a completely different set of folders Sep 04 22:42:35 Unplug the N810 Sep 04 22:42:39 Scroll down on the left column Sep 04 22:42:43 Chani: at the bottom of the list (on the left hand side), it should have an entry for a memory card Sep 04 22:42:52 but not while the usb cable is plugged in! Sep 04 22:43:09 oh. huh Sep 04 22:43:25 so I have to unplug, transfer files, then plug in again Sep 04 22:43:46 yes Sep 04 22:44:07 or use sftp over wifi, etc. Sep 04 22:44:11 * Chani pokes around in a terinal on hte n810 Sep 04 22:44:26 I forgot this thing had xterm Sep 04 22:44:38 you'll need to install openssh on the N810 Sep 04 22:45:06 still need to unplug the cable to allow the n810 to see the card though Sep 04 22:45:34 yeah, not having ssh bites. but I wanna flash it before I install any more stuff Sep 04 22:46:39 so I hear there's a backup utility to get bookmarks and such off the device. does that run in linux? or can I just cp hte relevant folders over to the usb-accessible folder myself? Sep 04 22:47:23 backup runs on the n810 and saves data to one of the cards Sep 04 22:47:37 Chani: unplug the cable, cp -ar ~/MyDocs/ /media/mmc2, plug in the cable, et volia your documents are there Sep 04 22:47:37 oh. huh Sep 04 22:47:37 but I'd copy stuff like mp3s manually Sep 04 22:49:19 ahh, I see where the settings are... Sep 04 22:49:45 hooray for nice standard linux stuff :) Sep 04 22:49:51 what are you flashing to? sometimes the settings are not compatible Sep 04 22:50:05 I dunno, whatever the latest thing is Sep 04 22:50:23 will incompatible settings fail nicely, or break stuff? Sep 04 22:50:23 what do you have atm?> Sep 04 22:50:30 break probably Sep 04 22:50:33 whatever came on the device Sep 04 22:50:36 laame Sep 04 22:51:35 * Chani wonders if there's space to just back up everything wholesale and sort it out later Sep 04 22:51:36 chinook i presume as it's an n810 Sep 04 22:53:34 bed time for me, night all Sep 04 22:53:40 ohh interesting. you'd think that /home would be on mmc2, really, but no... Sep 04 22:54:08 good thing I didn't fill up / with all the photos I took Sep 04 22:54:41 i don't think nokia planned to put ~ on a vfat fs personally... Sep 04 22:56:10 * qwerty12_N800 gets back to the debian install and forces himself to stay awake Sep 04 22:56:14 ahh. yeah, just tried to cp -ar and it's complaining about not being able to set ownership... Sep 04 22:57:09 probably cause fat dont support permissions Sep 04 22:57:31 so there's two gigs of vfat storage but only 256m on / Sep 04 22:58:05 iinteresting. Sep 04 22:58:07 you can easily reformat the vfat to something else, if you don't intend to use it with a windows pc Sep 04 22:58:33 good point Sep 04 22:59:06 of course, I'll probably just end up buying a nice big card for it. what type of card does it take? I've never bought one before Sep 04 22:59:13 mini-sd Sep 04 22:59:25 * Chani hasn't got much in the way of modern gadgets :) Sep 04 23:00:04 Chani: you can clone the 256mb flash onto the 2gb and boot from it Sep 04 23:00:21 hmmmm. Sep 04 23:01:03 but it might make sense to leave / alone for hte most part. maybe reformat the 2gb and mount it on /home Sep 04 23:01:17 yeah, that's also what I did... made it easier to play around with (still quite large) kde packages :) Sep 04 23:01:32 but then it'd get automagically unmounted when I plugged it into a computer? Sep 04 23:01:43 yeah, I want koffice now :D Sep 04 23:02:02 no, if you use the 2gb as / I don't think you can access it from a computer anymore Sep 04 23:02:04 actually, what I want most is akregator. and ssh Sep 04 23:04:27 and ogg-theora codecs :P Sep 04 23:21:23 VERY HARD Sep 04 23:25:00 Stskeeps, guess what. :P Sep 04 23:31:56 Has anyone had any luck getting google gears to work on Diablo? Sep 04 23:49:55 anyone happen to know where exactly browser passwords are stored? some of mine have typos and it seems impossible to overwrite them from the ui Sep 04 23:51:34 aha. found the file Sep 04 23:51:40 but of course it's not plaintext Sep 04 23:51:58 I wonder if I can selectively nuke only the invalid ones... Sep 05 00:10:04 There really isn't any other option but the default app for RSS reading, is there? Sep 05 00:11:09 stupid question about .deb packaging for libraries... I'm spitting out .deb files, but the data.tar.gz file only contains a bunch of /usr/share/doc/ files - any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? Sep 05 00:12:13 Pebby: what are you using to create the deb? Sep 05 00:13:34 following instructions at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-0-x/creating_a_debian_package.html - using dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage Sep 05 00:29:06 how do I check my karma on maemo.org? Sep 05 00:30:16 http://maemo.org/profile/ Sep 05 00:33:50 ccooke: I'm hoping to get akregator on there but I've no idea how much effort that'll take Sep 05 00:34:11 although... who knows, maybe there's alreayy a package for it Sep 05 00:38:40 GeneralAntilles: Thanks! now I'm bummed. No karma. I guess two or three releases of openafs on maemo extras doesn't count :( Sep 05 00:39:03 Chani: I get the hint, I'll start packaging kdepim :P Sep 05 00:39:55 :) Sep 05 00:40:28 Mek: seriously, kdepim could be a really good thing to have on there. probably with ui tweaks, but... Sep 05 00:40:53 yeah, I agree; pim is probably one of the main functions you'd use such a device Sep 05 00:41:06 mail, twitter and IM are 90% of what I use that thing for, and I keep wishing I had akregator and my irc connection on it Sep 05 00:41:24 XChat is available. . . . Sep 05 00:41:28 when I'm wandering around campus it's great being able to chat. better thn a phone :) Sep 05 00:41:58 GeneralAntilles: I have irssi running in a screen session. backscroll matters to me, especially with hte frequent disconnects on campus Sep 05 00:42:10 so really I just need to install ssh asap Sep 05 00:42:29 or I could find out if quassel runs on this thing ): Sep 05 00:42:30 :) Sep 05 00:42:31 It's right in Extras. Sep 05 00:43:20 ok, this thing is probably charged enough to flash... I really really wish it had an indication of how charged it is Sep 05 00:43:59 Just plug the power back in once it starts flashing. Sep 05 00:44:23 but that would make sense! ;) Sep 05 00:49:36 huh, the wallpaper makes me think of kde... Sep 05 00:56:25 oh neat, mmc2 wasn't overwritten Sep 05 00:57:09 Why would it be? Sep 05 00:57:19 Flashing only touches the internal NAND Sep 05 00:57:40 Is it possible to watch .mov or .mp4 videos on the n800? Sep 05 00:58:32 when I do, in canola, Meida Player, mplayer or mediabox, it's choppy, though the audio progresses alright Sep 05 00:58:56 actually, in .mov files, the video stalls & scrambles after the first few frames, though, again, the audio is fine Sep 05 00:59:13 mp4 implies h.264 Sep 05 00:59:19 Which is just a touch heavy for the tablets. Sep 05 00:59:31 .mov can be a variety of things, but generally those things are bad. Sep 05 00:59:49 Stick to .avi with XviD video and MP3 audio at no more than 44.1 Sep 05 01:00:01 darn. the mp4s are from Youtube - I'm guessing those are h.264 since it wants to push HQ vids Sep 05 01:00:15 Canola has a YouTube plugin Sep 05 01:00:21 alright, got the magical one liner mencoder call that'll sort everything out for me? :) Sep 05 01:00:21 You can access YouTube stuff directly. Sep 05 01:00:30 ya, but those are .flv :/ Sep 05 01:01:00 http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding Sep 05 01:01:15 ty Sep 05 01:24:13 mplayer will play flv Sep 05 01:24:17 no problem there Sep 05 01:30:04 does the lack of software updates have anything to do with the upcoming maemo summit? Sep 05 01:30:31 or it's just everyone in the community suddenly got super-lazy? Sep 05 01:31:23 Some people have big things planned for the Summit. Sep 05 01:31:32 People get more and less busy as the year progresses. Sep 05 01:38:14 i hope to see some good things released, but the lack of regular updates is awkward... I run arch linux, if a day goes without updated packages, something's wrong Sep 05 01:43:30 There's a helluva lot more packages in Arch Sep 05 01:43:55 "There is no surprise that americans are the most generous people in history." Sep 05 01:44:11 [overheard from TV] Sep 05 01:45:24 gregorovius: a lot of people take vacations in August and September is the beginning of school year for the students Sep 05 01:45:57 ah, the northern hemisphere Sep 05 01:46:03 I didn't think about that Sep 05 01:52:41 eternal september:-) Sep 05 02:07:35 Transmission got updated! Who said there are no updates? =) Sep 05 02:10:30 here's the coolest disclaimer ever Sep 05 02:10:31 Note: SEO (Search Engine Optimization) results are of fictional nature, the results below are for SE optimized site listing only. There is a however a good chance that in the future this particular search term will yield results for this download. Search Engine Optimization is common practice amongst websites of this nature. Sep 05 02:10:48 tickles Sep 05 02:34:58 McCain is skipping a little bit, has somebody scratched CD before inserting it into him? Sep 05 02:37:16 why are there under a dozen applications in the n810's package manager? am I going to have to edit the sources.list manually? Sep 05 02:37:28 most importatntly, how do I get ssh onto it? Sep 05 02:37:45 ~extras Sep 05 02:37:46 extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Sep 05 02:38:02 Chani: Some of your repositories are disabled or missing Sep 05 02:38:50 Either follow the manual instructions or open the .install on that page on the N810. Sep 05 02:38:53 hmm. I keep forgetting these apps have a menu Sep 05 02:42:12 http://scienceblogs.com/neurotopia/worst mccain photo.jpg Sep 05 02:45:49 "We will drill 'em now!" Sep 05 02:45:58 Is this guy a dentist? =) Sep 05 02:46:22 RST38h: what are you watching? Sep 05 02:46:39 gregoro: a TV downstairs is showing McCain's speech Sep 05 02:47:52 he's a drilling machine from the matrix Sep 05 02:48:43 cnn is broadcasting it here as well Sep 05 02:49:05 he is a patient from an insane azylum Sep 05 02:50:40 well Sep 05 02:50:57 at least he seems to be able to speak coherently Sep 05 02:51:19 unlike some other prez Sep 05 02:51:29 well, he is skipping a little bit Sep 05 02:51:40 is there a package for ssh-agent? Sep 05 02:51:44 no Sep 05 02:51:55 but there are packages for ssh client and server Sep 05 02:51:59 darn. I get disconnected a lot at school and my passphrase is looong Sep 05 02:52:46 maybe I should just make another key with a shorter passphrase. or maybe I should figure out how to make a package for ssh-agent Sep 05 02:54:05 are people cheering for 'war scars'? Sep 05 02:55:42 ohhh god what small resolution Sep 05 02:55:49 but yaaaay! ssh! Sep 05 02:55:52 Chani, lussh? Sep 05 02:56:14 so can i shrink the text size of this xterm? Sep 05 02:56:31 The giant +/- buttons on top. . . . Sep 05 02:56:35 i only get 9 lines of chat :) Sep 05 02:57:06 oh. cool. i keep forgetting there are buttons behind the screen Sep 05 02:58:14 oh crud. no alt key Sep 05 02:58:33 hehe Sep 05 02:58:40 how do you guys get around that? Sep 05 02:58:50 get an external kbd Sep 05 02:59:09 no, i'm usually wandering around campus Sep 05 02:59:24 what do you need alt for anyway? Sep 05 02:59:24 kinda ruins the portability ;) Sep 05 02:59:34 get Nokia E70 :) Sep 05 02:59:44 in irssi, for switching windows easily Sep 05 02:59:51 huh? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 05 02:59:56 2008