**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 08 02:59:57 2008 Sep 08 03:50:55 Jaffa: nevermind, got it working, just have to clear some deps up Sep 08 04:32:01 HI Sep 08 04:34:26 Should I be able to use my existing bluetooth cellphone for a internet connection with a nokia n800, also would bluetooth headsets work as well? would they work at the same time? Sep 08 04:35:51 Yes, yes, yes. Sep 08 04:36:11 cool! Sep 08 04:36:23 anyone want to buy a ipod touch? :-P Sep 08 04:36:32 lol Sep 08 04:36:57 wish i saw the n series before :-/ Sep 08 04:37:51 I bet you could talk somebody into some sort of trade on internettablettalk.com Sep 08 04:38:14 hmm I just happened to see this Sep 08 04:38:28 so I have a cell phone with blue tooth Sep 08 04:38:44 I can use my data connecton as the connect to my N800 then? Sep 08 04:39:02 Sure Sep 08 04:39:12 .. I didnt know that Sep 08 04:39:21 As I recall, it even offers to set it up for you on first boot. . . . Sep 08 04:39:28 Not sure how one misses that Sep 08 04:40:07 well, aspersions aside, I dont recall seeing that after I flashed the new OS and booted Sep 08 04:40:12 Just open up Connection manager and run the Wizard from the menu. Sep 08 04:40:26 It's about as easy to set up as can be Sep 08 04:40:48 wooa asus R50A.. damn it arg Sep 08 04:40:58 im so picky about my mobile devices Sep 08 04:41:12 It's huge and expensive. Sep 08 04:41:22 With no battery life. Sep 08 04:41:32 that sucks :-/ Sep 08 04:42:06 Well, what do you expect from an Atom powered device? :P Sep 08 04:42:51 im not sure.. ive been too broke to keep up with hardware The intel atom sucks? Sep 08 04:43:05 it doesn't suck per se Sep 08 04:43:08 For power consumption at the sizes we're talking about, yeah. Sep 08 04:43:25 but they're not in the same MIPS/watt as ARM Sep 08 04:43:30 Compared to other CPUs in a similar performance category, yeah. Sep 08 04:43:44 johnx: saw my slightly ugly port of hildon input framework? Sep 08 04:44:03 Stskeeps, not yet :) Sep 08 04:44:05 johnx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=221728&postcount=19 Sep 08 04:44:32 is interesting if we get it to actually pop up decently on the screen :P Sep 08 04:45:05 the actual keyboard app is closed, right? Sep 08 04:45:31 yeah, but there should be a "okay" example one from the open source one Sep 08 04:45:40 else i honestly think they're abi compatible.. Sep 08 04:45:46 didn't test fully yet Sep 08 04:49:25 grr, I need to have another try at making matchbox-keyboard work acceptably Sep 08 04:50:23 anyways, off to work for now. maybe I'll give it a try tonight Sep 08 04:50:27 have fun Sep 08 04:50:32 i'm off to work in an hour too :P Sep 08 04:52:34 Hi am facing "/src/farsight-netsocket-stun.c:317: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type Sep 08 04:52:34 " Sep 08 04:53:03 How to resolve Its not getting required header but am providing all dependencies very welll. Sep 08 04:54:21 where can i find a dark theme? Sep 08 05:00:19 night Sep 08 05:05:56 atul: probably need to include something else Sep 08 05:06:14 and report the problem to farsight people - they should get their headers in order Sep 08 05:06:27 RST38h:= Yes but not understating what am missing Sep 08 05:06:39 is there an error message before this one? Sep 08 05:06:42 RST38h:= ok but farsight means nokia guys Sep 08 05:06:47 RST38h:= no Sep 08 05:06:51 then report it to nokia guys Sep 08 05:06:58 RST38h:= ok Sep 08 05:06:58 could you show me line 317? Sep 08 05:07:06 RST38h:= yes Sep 08 05:07:30 please do Sep 08 05:08:21 RST38h:= line 317 is : server_addr = ai->ai_canonname; Sep 08 05:08:36 Garmin uses navteq, what kind of mapping system is provided for the n810 for the GPS? Sep 08 05:09:11 RST38h:= but I checked the code base same code work fine as a separate client. Sep 08 05:10:14 tagarashi, either navteq or the other one. Sep 08 05:10:21 They're basically the same. Sep 08 05:10:35 Don't expect wonders out of either the GPS hardware or software. Sep 08 05:10:40 how is updating done? Sep 08 05:10:43 ohy ea? Sep 08 05:10:53 They offer map updates every once and a while. Sep 08 05:10:57 The "Map" application mostly sucks Sep 08 05:11:00 There's Maemo Mapper Sep 08 05:11:03 so i should just get a 800 Sep 08 05:11:05 which is a one-of-a-kind sort of deal Sep 08 05:11:25 Uses bitmap maps from Google, Yahoo, etc to provide navigation Sep 08 05:11:27 onlything is the n810 has the slide out keyboard Sep 08 05:11:37 Don't expect a Garmin replacement, though. ;) Sep 08 05:11:46 yea even my garmin makes mistakes which is scary Sep 08 05:11:53 Maemo Mapper is damn cool Sep 08 05:12:10 Especially for hiking and outdoors stuff since you get the satellite view Sep 08 05:12:23 but it's not quite as intuitive for driving navigation. Sep 08 05:14:16 atul: what is ai? Sep 08 05:14:26 roadmap works great in the US for vector maps. I know there is some work on doing international maps, but the vector data isn't available everywhere Sep 08 05:14:42 Maemo Mapper won't make mistakes but it won't do routing for you either Sep 08 05:14:48 I find the GPS in the n810 superior to my blackberry curve Sep 08 05:14:57 both take a long time to get an initial fix Sep 08 05:15:05 roadmap is pretty useless outside us wherever I checked Sep 08 05:15:24 RST38h: they were adding support for other locations Sep 08 05:15:44 let me know when they are done :) Sep 08 05:16:34 I see support for Canada, but I guess that's equally useless for you Sep 08 05:16:37 RST38h:= It is structure variable struct su_addrinfo_t *ai. I checked all code it is client code that is working separately fine but when am adding this files to my application it is throwing error I think it is form Makefile.am problem that Error are miss matching. Sep 08 05:17:16 if you have a large enough flash card, Maemo Mapper would probably be fine Sep 08 05:30:52 I wish maemo were better usable, fing-erwise Sep 08 05:31:07 finger-wise* Sep 08 05:33:53 Fremantle. Sep 08 05:43:37 what about recalculating gps location from missing a turn, is it comparable time to a garmin? more than 30 seconds is crap imo Sep 08 05:45:10 If you pay for the Wayfinder license Sep 08 05:45:22 Maemo Mapper only does on-the-fly recalculation with an internet connection. Sep 08 05:45:36 What Garmin are you using that you're wasting more than 30 seconds, anyway? Sep 08 05:46:47 you can download maps for maemo mapper using the download tool Sep 08 05:49:07 GeneralAntilles: we don't know when freemantle is coming out, unless I totally missed news Sep 08 05:49:21 summatusmentis, what's your point? Sep 08 05:49:24 Sometime in the next 6 months Sep 08 05:49:27 I want it now! :) Sep 08 05:49:37 OK, well, whatever. Sep 08 05:49:49 lol, I know, I'm ust whiny :-P Sep 08 05:49:51 My point is, Fremantle is where you will get your satisfaction. Sep 08 05:50:11 aka heaven for tablets? ;> Sep 08 05:50:36 With Fremantle we get to duel Nokia management. Sep 08 05:50:56 we do? how? Sep 08 05:57:31 * dystopia hopes Nokia Maps will be ported to Fremantle Sep 08 05:58:04 lol? Sep 08 06:19:46 "requires and internet connection" and "wifi" dont combine very well Sep 08 06:20:58 3G? Sep 08 06:21:10 It's not as if tethering is at all difficult Sep 08 06:22:11 might as well buy a phone with nokia maps then Sep 08 06:22:28 You don't normally carry a cellphone? Sep 08 06:22:33 It's "Map", by the way. Sep 08 06:23:39 Map? Sep 08 06:23:50 Yes, "Map" Sep 08 06:24:00 The GPS application bundled with OS2008. Sep 08 06:24:08 paper boy lol Sep 08 06:24:16 eh that is Wayfinder Sep 08 06:24:31 Ah, you're talking about the S60 program? Sep 08 06:24:33 Nevermind. Sep 08 06:24:38 some new TomToms go for 100 EUR http://fahrzeugteile.shop.ebay.de/items/Auto-Motorrad-Teile__tomtom_W0QQ_nkwZtomtomQQQ5ftrksidZp3913Q2ec0Q2em22QQ_frdlpwlZ1QQ_sacatZ131090?_trksid=p3913.c0.m22 Sep 08 06:25:44 Nokia Maps yes, http://europe.nokia.com/maps Sep 08 06:26:24 if i meant Wayfinder I'd have said Map or Wayfinder and wouldn't have wished for a port Sep 08 06:26:36 Thus my confusion. Sep 08 06:26:46 * GeneralAntilles really could care less about S60 stuff. Sep 08 06:26:51 So I don't think in those terms. ;) Sep 08 06:27:04 'morning, _marcell_. Sep 08 06:27:28 <_marcell_> hi Sep 08 06:27:31 hi qwerty12 Sep 08 06:27:35 ironially Map is just a port of the S60 version Sep 08 06:27:36 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=221882#post221882 Sep 08 06:27:47 qwerty12 help plz Sep 08 06:27:48 That explains something Sep 08 06:28:24 Italodance: it doesn't like the new video resolution, set it back Sep 08 06:29:13 well if i back it to the previous size then can start? Sep 08 06:29:22 It should do Sep 08 06:29:33 qwerty12, can I talk you into writing a paragraph or two on PuTTY for Windows users for an SSH article draft I'm putting up? Sep 08 06:29:34 ahhh what a pity Sep 08 06:29:38 can u do it? Sep 08 06:30:02 please do and fix this full screen problem Sep 08 06:30:26 https://wiki.maemo.org/SSH#PuTTY Sep 08 06:30:44 GeneralAntilles: In all honesty, I haven't SSH'd into my Tablet from Windows much. It may be worth asking lcuk as he always ssh's in from windows using putty? Sep 08 06:30:55 OK Sep 08 06:32:02 ! Sep 08 06:32:10 Italodance: I'm not bothering to fix it, a lot of games have the bars Sep 08 06:32:47 but please fix this i need to play it on 800x480 Sep 08 06:33:01 800x480 is ok but how is this problem! ahhh Sep 08 06:41:14 * GeneralAntilles spots an X-Fade. Sep 08 06:41:16 X-Fade! Sep 08 06:45:28 GeneralAntilles: Pong ;) Sep 08 06:45:34 Good vacation? Sep 08 06:45:53 Amazing! :) Sep 08 06:46:16 <_marcell_> Hi X-Fade! Sep 08 06:46:19 The world didn't fall too far to pieces while you were gone. Sep 08 06:46:27 Did a lot of diving. Saw some amzing things.. Sep 08 06:46:32 Though there were a few cold and lonely autobuilder users. ;) Sep 08 06:46:46 Oh? Where'd you go? Sep 08 06:46:59 North Sulawesi, Indonesia. Sep 08 06:47:15 Mmm . . . sounds nice Sep 08 06:47:17 the n810 doesn't handle video very well does it? Sep 08 06:47:44 summatusmentis, if you work within its limits, it handles it just fine. Sep 08 06:47:48 GeneralAntilles: Well, today I will try to catch up on all pending things ;) Sep 08 06:47:51 i bought cheap gps bt-308 but maemo mapper seems to stuck, isn't that device supported? (n800-diablo) Sep 08 06:47:51 summatusmentis: sure it does Sep 08 06:48:05 well, those limits seem smaller than I expected Sep 08 06:48:05 summatusmentis: try playing this with mplayer: Sep 08 06:48:06 https://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding Sep 08 06:48:08 ~test-video Sep 08 06:48:08 Although I have to go to a funeral this afternoon, so short day.. Sep 08 06:48:19 ~testvideo Sep 08 06:48:24 Sorry to hear that. Sep 08 06:48:27 hrm Sep 08 06:48:39 ack Sep 08 06:48:42 where is infobot Sep 08 06:48:50 wtf Sep 08 06:49:01 Any 'urgent' things for me to look at? Sep 08 06:49:15 X-Fade, not that I can think of off the top of my head. Sep 08 06:49:29 GeneralAntilles: Sweet :D Sep 08 06:49:42 Things went surprisingly well, actually. Sep 08 06:49:44 summatusmentis: anyway, try this with mplayer: http://www.ageofikon.info/N10-Haruhi.avi Sep 08 06:50:02 * GeneralAntilles was hunkered down for the end of days that first week. Sep 08 06:50:56 Well, I think _marcell_ has done a lot of my tasks? Sep 08 06:50:56 rm_you: I've just been trying videos converted for iPod under canola2 Sep 08 06:51:17 summatusmentis, iPod is usually h.264 Sep 08 06:51:25 Which is a little heavy without hardware decoding Sep 08 06:51:27 yeah which SUCKS on n8x0 Sep 08 06:51:39 mplayer is even worse with h.264 than the built-in player. Sep 08 06:51:41 way too CPU intensive to decode without hardware help Sep 08 06:51:41 ah, that might be the reason Sep 08 06:51:56 summatusmentis: try the vid i linked Sep 08 06:52:14 Stick to mpeg4 with mp3 audio at 44.1KHz or less and you'll be good. Sep 08 06:53:09 summatusmentis, just, fyi, most of the stuff from certain *ahem* . . . sources, should work pretty well. Sep 08 06:54:15 GeneralAntilles: duly noted, I think I re-encoded this video from a different file for the iPod, so h.264 is probably the issue Sep 08 06:54:26 Most certainly Sep 08 06:54:44 xvid is good Sep 08 06:55:06 Still can't get my account on the wiki working :( Sep 08 06:55:12 i can log in now, sort of... Sep 08 06:55:13 alright, thanks guys. Once the bigger microsd cards come out, I'll re-encode all of my vid files again Sep 08 06:55:17 but it instantly loses my login Sep 08 06:55:25 Ha Sep 08 06:55:30 Somebody else was complaining about that Sep 08 06:55:43 it's like, congrats for logging in, now go to the page you were on.... then i go to the page, and i'm an anonymous IP again >_< Sep 08 06:55:49 summatusmentis, check out mediaserv Sep 08 06:55:59 Is it https? Sep 08 06:56:17 yes Sep 08 06:56:41 mediaserv runs on a personal computer? Sep 08 06:56:49 a PC? yes Sep 08 06:56:52 as compared to someone else providing the hardware Sep 08 06:56:58 yeah Sep 08 06:57:01 Jaffa wrote it Sep 08 06:57:03 >_> Sep 08 06:57:04 let me rephrase, it's something I'd have to install :) Sep 08 06:57:09 http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org Sep 08 06:57:21 It's a perl program Sep 08 06:57:26 that hooks in with mencoder Sep 08 06:57:38 GeneralAntilles: it does that with http and https Sep 08 06:57:38 I use it on my G5 to serve my media library to the tablets Sep 08 06:57:40 odd Sep 08 06:57:50 rm_you, reopen the bug. . . . Sep 08 06:57:56 yeah i need to find it Sep 08 06:58:01 awesome, I should get a tower setup that's always on Sep 08 06:58:04 was looking earlier Sep 08 06:58:09 I hate running web services on my macbook Sep 08 06:58:17 Hehe Sep 08 06:58:21 * GeneralAntilles hates laptops. Sep 08 06:58:22 gotta sleep now tho >_> class in the mornin Sep 08 06:58:33 yeah, me too Sep 08 06:58:41 GeneralAntilles: I'm a college student :) Sep 08 06:58:48 As am I. :P Sep 08 06:58:51 * GeneralAntilles has tablets. Sep 08 06:58:58 touche Sep 08 06:59:08 as it turns out, my german class professor was ok with me missing class for a week to be in berlin :P Sep 08 06:59:23 Ha Sep 08 06:59:35 rm_you, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3512 Sep 08 06:59:46 and my compsci profs were ok with me going to a conference :P Sep 08 06:59:56 my drama profs, on the other hand... >_> Sep 08 07:00:23 'night all Sep 08 07:00:25 it's not quite the same bug anymore... just related Sep 08 07:00:33 anyway, REALLY can't deal with it now Sep 08 07:00:35 need sleep Sep 08 07:00:36 Same issue. Sep 08 07:00:39 'night Sep 08 07:04:25 wtf Sep 08 07:05:07 You tried to change the Status field from RESOLVED to REOPENED , but only the assignee or reporter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user may change that field. Sep 08 07:05:15 *I AM THE REPORTER* Sep 08 07:05:25 "Reporter: Adam Harwell Sep 08 07:05:25 " Sep 08 07:05:30 ME Sep 08 07:05:47 rm_you: That would be a bugzilla bug ;) Sep 08 07:06:09 X-Fade: can you re-open it please Sep 08 07:06:13 3512 Sep 08 07:06:45 maemo.org hates rm_you. Sep 08 07:07:03 wait what?! do i have two bugzilla accounts? Sep 08 07:07:11 . . . and I'm with maemo.org. :P Sep 08 07:07:20 GeneralAntilles: Dude.. collision ;) Sep 08 07:07:21 wtf Sep 08 07:07:35 X-Fade, I so won. Sep 08 07:07:43 heh.. Sep 08 07:07:44 yeah that was MY issue Sep 08 07:07:52 i apparently have two bugzilla accounts Sep 08 07:07:53 somehow Sep 08 07:07:56 no idea why Sep 08 07:08:17 hovered my name in the initial report and it showed a different email Sep 08 07:10:17 maybe, several years from now, i'll finally be able to login to the wiki Sep 08 07:10:24 maybe i'll make a new maemo account, "rmyou" Sep 08 07:11:02 whatever I do, it'll be tomorrow Sep 08 07:11:12 * rm_you sleeps Sep 08 07:36:17 hi, does anyone know any good tutorials for Qt + Maemo? Sep 08 07:36:51 http://qt4.garage.maemo.org Sep 08 07:36:55 Dunno if there is anything Sep 08 07:37:00 but that'd be the place to start Sep 08 07:37:00 just find any good tutorial on Qt first, should apply also for Maemo Sep 08 07:37:09 or do you need Maemo-specific part? Sep 08 07:37:47 Trolltech has good tutorials, but are there some kind of Maemo specific components e.g. Hildon stuff for Qt also? Sep 08 07:40:49 Part of the problem may be that the Maemo-specific stuff pretty new and not really stable enough for tutorials yet. Sep 08 07:42:33 ok, thanks. I'll just start by learning the basics of Qt first and then take a look at the Maemo specific stuff Sep 08 07:42:59 It actually shouldn't be too radical, anyway. Sep 08 07:43:07 The biggest thing will likely be virtual text input Sep 08 07:43:18 But I believe GNUton has the pretty well licked already. Sep 08 07:44:42 as far as I know, the input method is the only thing you really need to take into account. Sep 08 07:44:53 well, besides the smaller screen Sep 08 07:45:37 yeah, so I can happily use all Qt's components? Sep 08 07:54:01 i believe so, but I am not totally sure Sep 08 07:56:32 yeah, I'll give it a try Sep 08 07:59:51 i didnt have any problems with gutenbrowser or a few other qt apps I tried Sep 08 08:00:23 ok, thans Sep 08 08:00:26 *thanks Sep 08 08:06:49 the only qt class that seems to be disabled (for no apparent reason, except that it is probably not a very usefull class) is QSizeGrip Sep 08 08:07:08 Morning, all Sep 08 08:07:44 'lo Sep 08 08:07:48 Howdy, Jaffa. Sep 08 08:08:18 Yeah, I'm so noob with Qt that I quess I wouldn't needed it anyway Sep 08 09:18:51 Ick, another semantics discussion on -community. Sep 08 09:30:50 GeneralAntilles: the IM for QT or? (virtual text input) Sep 08 09:31:10 GNUton got some hooks going for h-i-m with Qt Sep 08 09:31:15 I'm not clear on the details Sep 08 09:31:24 yeah, i saw the code Sep 08 09:31:54 i got h-i-m working on debian without hildon environment running, that was kinda interesting (except it looks like crap under openbox..) Sep 08 09:32:02 Yeah, I saw the screenshot. Sep 08 09:32:12 Good virtual input will make Deblet a lot more usable. Sep 08 09:32:21 yeah, especially for us n800 users :P Sep 08 09:33:05 what i'm most curious about is that if it's possible to drop in the nokia versions.. seems like we have all the libraries Sep 08 09:44:24 has someone set up a package for theora decoding on diablo? Sep 08 10:22:12 lol, crashanddie, overeactmuch? :P Sep 08 10:23:01 No, why?N Sep 08 10:23:49 I dunno, the #maemo thing felt a little overreactive to me. Sep 08 10:24:13 The only people that "own" community things are the community. Sep 08 10:24:30 Jaffa answered exactly the way I wanted Sep 08 10:24:50 What, were you envisioning some kind of power play? Sep 08 10:25:17 I've seen enough drama around IRC lately, I don't envision anything anymore Sep 08 10:25:18 * GeneralAntilles annexes #maemo Sep 08 10:25:48 I hadn't realized "community" had such a negative connotation these days. . . . Sep 08 10:26:06 lol Sep 08 10:26:15 when I say IRC, it's far from meaning #maemo Sep 08 10:26:34 trust me, #maemo is my realm of peace Sep 08 10:27:59 indeed, this is nice and peaceful compared to ircd support channels Sep 08 10:27:59 :P Sep 08 10:28:01 GeneralAntilles, and I don't see how any of my questions/statements could have put "community" in a bad light Sep 08 10:28:46 And they were, perfectly legit questions, albeit a bit tongue-in-cheek Sep 08 10:30:46 crashanddie: glad I answered well; my initial reaction was perhaps closed to GeneralAntilles' EOVERREACTION ;-) Sep 08 10:31:04 * GeneralAntilles is perhaps just a bit too used to extreme overreactions to the most seemingly innocuous little things. Sep 08 10:31:16 GeneralAntilles == darius Sep 08 10:31:23 hahaha Sep 08 10:31:30 you took the words out of my mouth Sep 08 10:31:46 Oooh, negative campaiging can start now ;-) Sep 08 10:31:55 I point you to one of the first community council threads on the mailing list where the first person to respond was Darius Jack. Sep 08 10:32:29 That's the scenario I tend to react to things like this as. . . . Sep 08 10:32:50 GeneralAntilles, so you're Iwona? Sep 08 10:34:03 No, what I mean is, when people react to seemingly simple statements I tend to assume an overreaction on their part ala Darius. Sep 08 10:34:38 Hey, I'm just testing you guys for the vote Sep 08 10:34:44 don't flame me afterwards :D Sep 08 10:34:51 anyway, got someone here, ttyl Sep 08 10:35:03 In summary, I've gotten a little twitchy. ;) Sep 08 10:36:48 GeneralAntilles the Bird Watcher Sep 08 10:37:06 so when does the vote close then? Sep 08 10:37:36 lardman: 2008-09-10T23:59:00Z IIRC Sep 08 10:37:51 For kicks: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bird+watcher Sep 08 10:37:53 Just before midnight on Wed Sep 08 10:38:34 GeneralAntilles: I was thinking more of http://www.bryanappleyard.com/blog/2006/03/twitcher.php Sep 08 10:38:41 GeneralAntilles: hmm, first I've ever heard of that meaning Sep 08 10:38:44 lardman: 1am UK time. I think I'll be asleep ;-) Sep 08 10:39:07 Not going to watch the BBC vote countdown then? Sep 08 10:39:23 I wondering if it might be useful to introduce a freeze on new nominations a week or so before the beginning of voting to allow for some campaigning in the next election. Sep 08 10:39:30 lardman: Will Peter Snow be in in #maemo all night counting down to Indecision 2008 Sep 08 10:39:37 lol Sep 08 10:40:16 GeneralAntilles: Candidates who want to campaign can submit their nomination the day it opens, then they've got a week to campaign. More time needed, y'reckon? Sep 08 10:40:40 I don't know about the whole campaigning thing Sep 08 10:41:46 campaign is a bad term Sep 08 10:41:50 I don't like campaigning either Sep 08 10:42:04 sounds like the Romans on the march Sep 08 10:42:19 That's why talk of manifestos scare me: too much work and it'll drive the number of candidates down not up. Sep 08 10:42:29 I agree Sep 08 10:42:37 I'd rather people just vote for the person they believe is best for the job based on their activity in the community. Sep 08 10:42:46 I'd rather see the interview style questions on the ML, or on p.m.o etc Sep 08 10:42:56 I think the blurb we wrote, and mainly what we have already been doing is what people should look at Sep 08 10:43:06 lardman: agreed Sep 08 10:43:11 yeah, interview style questions would be ok once it's know what the council will actually do Sep 08 10:43:23 The week delay before voting might give people time to better consider who to vote for Sep 08 10:44:03 Probably pointless, though. Sep 08 10:44:21 * GeneralAntilles is still wondering where the hell that voting theory guy came from. Sep 08 10:44:50 strange the things people know :) Sep 08 10:45:15 I have a feeling he may just troll the net for votes to put his 2 cents in on. Sep 08 10:46:01 In the New Scientist article I had a feeling that Rank Voting site was possibly a bit dodgy Sep 08 10:46:07 heh, irc debate for candidates :P Sep 08 10:46:34 Downtime for maemo.org on the 11th. Sep 08 10:46:53 The thing is, what's to debate? Sep 08 10:47:08 I don't think any of the candidates are in disagreement over the issues. Sep 08 10:47:20 why vote then? :P Sep 08 10:47:35 Well, this election is more about the people than the issues. Sep 08 10:49:40 Stskeeps: to give the council a mandate to represent you, and so when the council says to Nokia you *really* should do this it carries weight. Sep 08 10:51:12 Hi ! Sep 08 10:51:28 So, in effect, the council is like a walking, talking, tap-dancing petition? :D Sep 08 10:51:49 Howdy, Khertan_n810. Sep 08 10:52:10 gan > you ll get my vote if i can vote :) Sep 08 10:52:46 I certainly hope you can. Sep 08 10:52:54 You do have a maemo.org account more than 3 months old, no? Sep 08 10:52:55 :) Sep 08 10:52:56 GeneralAntilles: Tap-dancing? Eek Sep 08 10:53:05 yep Sep 08 10:53:11 but no email Sep 08 10:53:28 i ve send a mail to dneary about it Sep 08 10:53:41 A disturbing number of people didn't get their emails. :\ Sep 08 10:53:49 yep Sep 08 10:54:03 i think he is looking why Sep 08 10:54:13 It's always something with maemo.org Sep 08 10:54:23 JAFFA: DOES nOKIA KNOW THAT IT CARRIES WEIGHT? =) Sep 08 10:54:31 You can't ever just assuming something will work as planned. :/ Sep 08 10:54:31 but surely modest problem on 770 hacker edition that run maemo.org Sep 08 10:54:32 Sorry, caps was on =( Sep 08 10:56:30 always troubles with postal voting Sep 08 10:56:57 they might have all been redirected via Birmingham Sep 08 10:57:19 RST38h: Quim accepted that the council could represent the community and help the communication between it and Nokia. Obviously if all 12,000 people eligible voted that gives it more legitimacy than if 5 do. Sep 08 10:58:05 The press outside of the Maemo community is also a good sign. Sep 08 10:59:00 Indeed. Very surprised & pleased by that. Sep 08 10:59:08 * Jaffa 's sticking the idea on his CV ;) Sep 08 10:59:09 ? Sep 08 11:00:04 Khertan_n810: http://www.openlogic.com/blogs/2008/08/community-liaisons-instead-of-community-managers/ and http://blogs.open.collab.net/oncollabnet/2008/08/maemo-community.html Sep 08 11:02:17 oh drat, have you lot got T-shirts printed yet? Sep 08 11:04:56 Khertan_n810, print off a few dozen of yours and sell it. Sep 08 11:05:00 * GeneralAntilles really wants one. Sep 08 11:05:03 Nope; not very many good (cheap) UK-based people doing them. Sep 08 11:05:22 * Jaffa got T-shirts from cafepress.com for stalkmybrother.com but they were *very* expensive, and slow to arrive. Sep 08 11:05:38 * GeneralAntilles is really disappointed Khertan's excellent submission didn't even make it to the final round. Sep 08 11:06:02 There's a place in Bath that do them for ~£20 but I'm running out of time now Sep 08 11:06:11 not cheap mind you Sep 08 11:07:02 * GeneralAntilles wonders if his buddy in Cuba is having fun yet. Sep 08 11:09:18 GeneralAntilles: hum i don t think i ll sell it anyone Sep 08 11:09:34 lardman: I'm willing to say "meh" to the idea; or I'll take a plain white T-shirt & a marker pen. Sep 08 11:09:44 * Jaffa 's going to be travelling light so not have much room for T-shirts anyway Sep 08 11:09:56 * Khertan_n810 too Sep 08 11:11:22 Now there's a job: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Hurricane_Katrina_Eye_viewed_from_Hurricane_Hunter.jpg Sep 08 11:11:33 Jaffa: I was just going to bring the one for the whole trip ;) Sep 08 11:13:13 lardman: heh Sep 08 11:13:35 bye Sep 08 11:14:47 lardman: Oooh, http://www.vistaprint.co.uk/ will do a white T-shirt with front logo only for 5.49ukp Sep 08 11:16:10 lardman: Ah, 15.85ukp for a "rush" order which has a 3 day turnaround Sep 08 11:16:52 Hi Khertan1 Sep 08 11:16:59 Khertan1: You got my mail? Sep 08 11:17:12 Khertan1: Normally, you should have received a voting token Sep 08 11:17:39 Jaffa: 7-day delivery isn't too bad, but cutting it fine Sep 08 11:18:27 Hi All! Sep 08 11:42:55 lardman|lunch: I'm leaving on Sunday for my mammoth round trip Sep 08 12:14:30 Err, p.m.o looks a little b0rked Sep 08 12:16:28 Jaffa, reopen 3685 or something close to that. Sep 08 12:17:17 Hello Sep 08 12:18:34 GAN800: done Sep 08 12:19:17 Should probably cc qgil Sep 08 12:32:18 GeneralAntilles, I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES Sep 08 12:32:38 gtfo Sep 08 12:34:24 * GeneralAntilles can only imagine what crashanddie's been googling. Sep 08 13:37:34 Jaffa: ah ok, I'm at another conference on Mon, Tue, Wed, then a quick run back to get a flight to Berlin on Thurs Sep 08 13:42:42 why did /me know nothing about SDK+? Sep 08 13:42:56 until reading the FORTRAN bug message I just got sent that is Sep 08 13:43:48 Anyway, good to see GCC4 make an appearance Sep 08 13:44:07 is there any abi issue using GCC4 compiled binaries on standard Diablo? Sep 08 13:44:25 Wasn't gcc4 available before? Sep 08 13:44:31 * RST38h is compiling with it under sb2 Sep 08 13:44:37 apparently yes, but I missed it completely Sep 08 13:45:30 ah, looks like the alpha was introduced while I was on holiday Sep 08 13:46:49 with the key candidates on roadtrips whos gonna pop the champers at results time? Sep 08 13:47:21 or will gen be sat there shaking up a bottle of flat coke Sep 08 13:47:59 I thought the results were this week? Sep 08 13:48:06 I'm away next week Sep 08 13:48:13 my fault for my crappy explanation Sep 08 13:48:33 lol you are right of course, i just had it in my head that it was sunday Sep 08 13:48:40 * lcuk is doublethick today Sep 08 13:49:03 * lardman is feeling particularly tired today, probably the though of signing a contract for a venue Sep 08 13:49:57 oooh, are you plannin a gig somewhere? Sep 08 13:50:03 Wedding! Sep 08 13:50:24 good point! so you are sorted now - your part is done? :D Sep 08 13:50:55 not quite, still need to sign the contract and do all the nitty-gritty of organising everything - menus, drinks, etc. Sep 08 13:51:40 bottle of pop and a few packets of crisps would suffice :D (with maaybe some of them little classy sausages n cheese things Sep 08 13:52:08 (if only it was that simple for you..) Sep 08 13:52:44 yeah, am tempted by that :) Sep 08 13:53:33 gah, bbl Sep 08 13:55:08 Can sdk+ be installed alongside the sb1 sdks? Sep 08 14:00:22 Hey, as we'll be talking about tracker in fremantle at the maemo summit, I'm welcoming any questions / ideas what to present to you guys on the maemo summit. Sep 08 14:00:47 Anyway, if you are interested and have the time, just ping me or send emails to urho.konttori@nokia.com Sep 08 14:01:32 konttori: what's tracker? Sep 08 14:01:35 Also, if you guys want to have tracker for diablo already, please also voice out those needs. We haven't decided either way yet. Sep 08 14:01:42 http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/ Sep 08 14:01:56 thanks Sep 08 14:02:04 and there has been significant coding since the 0.6.6 release. Sep 08 14:03:17 any chance the filemanager will be opensourced? ;) Sep 08 14:03:43 I saw someone today asking if it was possible to run binaries from it, apparently not (though perhaps with some conf file trickery?) Sep 08 14:04:06 Anyway, I was planning that we'll show the API a bit, show an example media player, perhaps example object database application (probably just using the daze for that example), a bit on the power of the full text indexing and a bit of ideas how it can be used. Sep 08 14:04:20 sounds cool anyway Sep 08 14:04:50 lardman: no chance of file manager getting open sourced. Anyway, you should be able to check if you can do things with the hildon-fm (which is open source) Sep 08 14:05:11 (and essentially filemanager is a wrapper around that) Sep 08 14:05:19 ok Sep 08 14:05:30 can I ask why there's no chance? Just out of interest Sep 08 14:05:55 Surely there's nothing too high-tech in side it? Likewise with the media-player Sep 08 14:06:07 well, Nokia has a tendency to not to publish application code. Only FW code tends to be open. It's a policy issue really. Sep 08 14:06:30 fair enough, annoying, but at least there's a reason now Sep 08 14:07:54 So, the hildon-fm is open, so if you want, you should be able to make a new file manager without considerable effort by using that. Sep 08 14:08:32 yep, just seems a bit wasteful for the standard one to be closed source. Does that make sense? Sep 08 14:09:19 or the wrapper at least - lots of things could just be replaced with not much effort, in which case why bother having them closed source at all, etc. Sep 08 14:09:51 anyway, I'm just commenting, not expecting you to turn it all around :) Sep 08 14:10:25 konttori: what open FW code are you referring to? Sep 08 14:10:25 Yeah, I agree: You can always figure out reasons why it should be opened, but that just won't happen. There are always some reasons why it should be kept closed. Sep 08 14:11:08 usually because noone can be arsed to check if they're legally allowed to open source it Sep 08 14:11:22 https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-fm/ Sep 08 14:11:59 does that contain a GTK widget which is the filemanager? Sep 08 14:12:13 which would be good - to be able to add extra columns, resize them, etc, Sep 08 14:12:25 https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/doc/api/hildon-fm/index.html Sep 08 14:12:32 Some instructions in there. Sep 08 14:12:48 I really haven't digged to the fm code, so help yourself. ;) Sep 08 14:13:08 cool, I'll add it somewhere in the list of things to look at ;) Sep 08 14:13:56 anyway, if you guys figure out issues you want explained about tracker, just let me know. Sep 08 14:47:20 Khertan1: ping? Sep 08 14:54:27 Someone should get Deluge on the tablets, it pwns Transmission :> Sep 08 14:56:00 heh - i think torrent on tablets is a bit useless :> Sep 08 14:56:34 disagree. I take my tablet on campus much more than I do my laptop Sep 08 14:56:35 Someone should bring ssvb's performance optimisations to the N800 then :P Sep 08 14:56:47 ssvb? Sep 08 14:57:01 summatusmentis: any p2p on my campus => they track your wifi position and take a talk to you ;) Sep 08 14:57:26 Stskeeps: my school does not care that much Sep 08 14:57:40 Stskeeps: Eew, remind me not to use p2p in Denmark Sep 08 14:57:47 if they get a notice from someone, they'll track your ip, and tell you to stop Sep 08 14:58:01 if they get a lot of notices, they send an email to everyone telling them to stop Sep 08 14:58:10 In London, no one gives a shit atm Sep 08 14:58:14 qwerty12: it's just uni rules so Sep 08 14:58:26 qwerty12: encrypted ftp and likes they dont care about Sep 08 14:58:31 also dorms arent on campus here, so Sep 08 14:58:35 anyone using mcalendar? Sep 08 14:58:39 Ahh Sep 08 15:01:44 for whatever reason, on mCalendar, when I try to add an even on the n810 side, the timing doesn't sync correctly to google calendar Sep 08 15:04:28 moo all Sep 08 15:04:37 [whoemever I have not yest seen today] Sep 08 15:04:59 hi RST38h Sep 08 15:05:08 qwerty12: which performance optimisations are these? Sep 08 15:07:33 hey, i finally saw a nokia n810 on display in a useful location Sep 08 15:07:42 it was @BOS Logan Airport Sep 08 15:13:41 anyone know why planet.maemo.org looks so strange? Sep 08 15:13:53 Is it just me or has Quim Gil gone insane? Sep 08 15:14:01 * timeless asked first! Sep 08 15:14:06 yea Sep 08 15:29:53 <_julian> does someone know if avahi-qt ist available for maemo as package somewhere? Sep 08 15:38:14 Hi ! Sep 08 15:38:33 dneary: Thx i ve received your email. Sep 08 15:38:39 Hi Khertan1 Sep 08 15:39:36 :) Sep 08 15:40:30 Khertan: is it a known bug of mcalendar for it to not pay attention to am or pm? Sep 08 15:40:38 qwerty12: isn't it qwerty15 by now? ;> Sep 08 15:41:08 Stskeeps: God knows >.>. Shitty router is effin up when I'm dl'ing torrents Sep 08 15:41:18 summatusmentis: which bugs ? Sep 08 15:41:48 lardman: sorry, just got back here. wait a sec please :) Sep 08 15:41:59 whenever I try to add an event within mCalendar, it will ignore the am or pm designation, and sync as am back to Google Calendar Sep 08 15:42:10 Khertan: You've voted, then? Sep 08 15:42:14 lardman: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2008-February/000019.html Sep 08 15:42:19 dneary: yep thx Sep 08 15:42:20 for instance, if set for 7:00 pm, it'll sync to google as 7:00 am Sep 08 15:42:21 Khertan: You're welcome :Ă  Sep 08 15:42:30 RST38h: Got any pointers on compiling EMUTools? :) Sep 08 15:42:41 summatusmentis: strange ... Sep 08 15:43:06 when you enter event you choose am or pm in the hildon widget ? Sep 08 15:43:08 right ? Sep 08 15:43:19 yes Sep 08 15:43:36 I'm using 0.4.0 Sep 08 15:43:42 hum ... Sep 08 15:43:50 i ll made some test ... Sep 08 15:43:57 qwerty13: cool, thanks Sep 08 15:44:15 I can pull together a bug report with screen shots if you'd like Sep 08 15:44:16 could you send me the sync log after making a new event ? Sep 08 15:44:25 i prefer the log :) Sep 08 15:44:28 where do I find the sync log? Sep 08 15:44:34 launch it from xterm Sep 08 15:44:39 with 'mcalendar' Sep 08 15:44:44 you ll see a lot of text :) Sep 08 15:45:26 send me it at khertan@khertan.net Sep 08 15:45:30 pls Sep 08 15:45:50 ok, will do Sep 08 15:46:51 see u later ... Sep 08 15:46:52 bye Sep 08 15:47:31 * crashanddie just sent 60 CVs for PHP-related jobs Sep 08 15:53:08 crashanddie: 60? Sep 08 15:53:33 yup Sep 08 15:53:41 I hope I'll get at least one interview with that :P Sep 08 15:53:59 crashanddie: learn C ;) Sep 08 15:54:10 florian, I know C Sep 08 15:54:24 crashanddie: so why PHP? ;) Sep 08 15:54:50 florian, I know C, C++, Java, STL, Kernel Programming, Network Programming, I know a whole lot Sep 08 15:55:02 they just require experience, which I don't have Sep 08 15:55:08 I'd blow their minds if they'd just give me an interview :P Sep 08 15:56:42 crashanddie: Today not all employers need on-the-job experience. Personally, I am far more convinced by visible open source activity. Get involved in something. Then send me your CV. Sep 08 15:57:17 I am involved, it's just open source is hard to sell decently on a CV... Sep 08 15:57:44 How much of it did I do exactly? "Well, I did the design of those 3 functions, and that one, and that one..." "And that one?" "Well, I worked on it with another guy" Sep 08 15:58:00 crashanddie: URLs are persuasive. I like to browse svn directories, looking at commits. I like to see bugzilla activity and patches. Sep 08 15:58:34 crashanddie: I like to see mailing lists to see how people communicate and how they think. Sep 08 15:58:50 well then you're one hell of an HR Sep 08 15:58:56 Small companies are different. Sep 08 15:59:07 murrayc, not looking to hire someone in London? :P Sep 08 15:59:19 crashanddie: Berlin. Sep 08 15:59:31 bleh Sep 08 16:00:13 Everyone wants to be in Berlin. Sep 08 16:00:21 does your company give financial help for relocation? :P Sep 08 16:00:26 what you do is Sep 08 16:00:35 crashanddie: Yes, for good candidates. Sep 08 16:00:35 make your own exclusive php sideproject Sep 08 16:00:40 My german is rusty, but I should be able to get it going fast enough Sep 08 16:00:41 then you can go Sep 08 16:00:44 "i made that!" Sep 08 16:00:50 and if people use it Sep 08 16:00:56 "i made that and its really popular" Sep 08 16:01:05 and if people like it enough to want to buy it Sep 08 16:01:20 yeah, but that requires to already have a job to live Sep 08 16:01:22 "i'm selling it. i don't need a regular job now. bwhahahaha" Sep 08 16:01:57 I need a job to live... I'm out of money, out of luck, out of motivation, basically Sep 08 16:03:42 crashanddie: Seriously, send me some URLs. Make your case. If you are interested in doing C (and a little C++) Maemo work. Sep 08 16:03:43 Gotta go. Sep 08 16:03:57 murrayc, hell yeah ! email? Sep 08 16:05:25 Hi there Sep 08 16:05:45 hey Gnuton Sep 08 16:06:03 :) Sep 08 16:11:48 hello gnuton! Sep 08 16:13:14 hi Gnuton Sep 08 16:28:39 Hi again Sep 08 16:28:53 is there a way to boost audio gain in mplayer ? Sep 08 16:29:28 Khertan_n810: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=158165&postcount=7 Sep 08 16:31:51 thx qwerty12 Sep 08 16:31:58 no problems Sep 08 16:33:35 greetings Sep 08 16:33:38 :-D Sep 08 16:39:19 cu tomorrow chaps Sep 08 16:40:11 qwerty12: that's in the config file i gather? Sep 08 16:40:19 aquatix: yea Sep 08 16:40:46 kk Sep 08 16:46:48 garage's svn is down... Sep 08 16:47:49 it was't a couple of minutes ago... Sep 08 16:47:58 s/was/wasn Sep 08 16:51:50 Mek, why dont you aggregate your blog in maemo planet? Sep 08 16:52:01 Gnuton: Hi ;) Sep 08 16:52:05 Gnuton: I asked for it a few weeks ago, but never got a reply... Sep 08 16:52:15 (and got told the one responsible for it wsa on vacation) Sep 08 16:52:17 Mek: Erm sorry :) Sep 08 16:52:21 Mek: That is me ;) Sep 08 16:52:23 :) Sep 08 16:52:41 I will catch up on my email asap. Sep 08 16:53:12 hey X-Fade, it`s nice see you again Sep 08 16:53:28 Gnuton: Yes, long time no see. Sep 08 16:53:33 ah ah Sep 08 16:53:34 :) Sep 08 16:54:22 X-Fade, how are you? are you still in vacationĂ‘ Sep 08 16:54:24 ? Sep 08 16:54:39 Gnuton: I see you managed 4.1.1 all by yourself? :) Sep 08 16:54:43 *to upload Sep 08 16:54:54 Gnuton: No, I'm back now. Sep 08 16:55:38 X-Fade: yep =) Sep 08 16:56:03 Mek: Ik zal je blog nu toevoegen. Sep 08 16:56:12 okay :) Sep 08 16:56:47 ok.. router time.. I`ve to explain to my girl how to setup a wireless router... Sep 08 16:56:57 see you later... Sep 08 16:57:59 3451 Sep 08 16:57:59 ok Sep 08 17:01:56 Mek: Ok, your blog has been added to the planet. Sep 08 17:03:24 thanks a lot Sep 08 17:07:25 Mek: Cool stuff btw ;) Sep 08 17:10:43 X-Fade, ARE YOU BACK, Sep 08 17:10:44 ??? Sep 08 17:11:26 crashanddie: Yep. Sep 08 17:11:38 X-Fade: welcome back! Sep 08 17:11:54 X-Fade, wb, I know you must get harassed by emails, but can I ask if my issue has been duly noted? Sep 08 17:13:16 crashanddie: The GPG one? Sep 08 17:13:52 X-Fade, aye Sep 08 17:14:20 crashanddie: Ok, I will send you a new invite, so you can upload your gpg key again. Sep 08 17:14:29 X-Fade, cheers Sep 08 17:14:45 crashanddie: Ok, done. Sep 08 17:15:37 X-Fade, btw, is there a bug report about not being able to change SSH/GPG keys easily? Sep 08 17:16:03 crashanddie: I don't know. It is on Ferenc's todo list, for sure ;) Sep 08 17:16:58 qwerty12: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/h-i-m-matchbox.png <- woop! Sep 08 17:17:15 Stskeeps: nice one! :) Sep 08 17:17:52 Stskeeps: Looks ugly, but still... impressive :) Sep 08 17:18:12 X-Fade: h-i-m example keyboard ftw Sep 08 17:18:12 :P Sep 08 17:18:22 Stskeeps: lets jook the maemo one :P Sep 08 17:18:26 Stskeeps, !!! Sep 08 17:19:24 Stskeeps, nice work Sep 08 17:19:40 the sad thing is however that h-i-m looks crap on non-matchbox though Sep 08 17:19:44 or atleast in openbox Sep 08 17:20:49 what has h-i-ms look to do with matchbox? shouldn't that be a sapwood "problem"? Sep 08 17:21:25 Stskeeps, same situation as matchbox-keyboard? Sep 08 17:21:27 jott, nah, not that...how its window is handled... Sep 08 17:21:30 ah Sep 08 17:21:34 jott, you're the slappedwood problem Sep 08 17:22:26 crashanddie is the problem Sep 08 17:22:47 yeah but I'm a mature problem Sep 08 17:23:09 never fixed and never touched :p Sep 08 17:23:16 I'm pure Sep 08 17:23:25 qwerty12, you on the other hand, you're a brand new problem Sep 08 17:23:30 qwerty12, everyone's eyeing young Sep 08 17:23:34 in a desolete unused part of the system marked with "DO NOT ENTER" Sep 08 17:23:38 qwerty12, everyone wants to fiddle with you, see how you react Sep 08 17:24:11 lcuk, yeah but at least I'm not in Manchester :P Sep 08 17:24:38 The standard stereotypical way, knuckledusters. Sep 08 17:24:41 good point Sep 08 17:25:03 lcuk, do I feel a disturbance in the force? Sep 08 17:25:21 sorry yer, i couldnt hold it in any more Sep 08 17:25:27 the smell will dissapate soon Sep 08 17:25:35 * lcuk wafts arms around Sep 08 17:25:55 * crashanddie uses his armpits as breathing apparatus Sep 08 17:25:57 the more important question is why are you fighting the world? Sep 08 17:25:59 oh shit, bad idea Sep 08 17:26:16 lcuk, I'm pissed Sep 08 17:26:29 lcuk, I'm tired of "Oh, awesome, thanks, I'll get back to you soon" Sep 08 17:26:31 not a good combination Sep 08 17:27:28 I think the most obvious and insulting one was the guy who told me he'd call me back cuz he had to go to a meeting, and hung up before I gave the last 3 digits of my phone number Sep 08 17:27:36 * lcuk cannot wait for the communal royalty system to be put in place Sep 08 17:28:15 "Oh, I'm sorry, they're calling me for a meeting, is there a number I can join you at?" "Yeah, 07.787.347..." "Ok thanks, bye, tuuut, tuut" Sep 08 17:28:15 youch? you havent got a phone number with name have you ie 1800 ILUVEYOURGRAN Sep 08 17:29:02 cripes though Sep 08 17:29:09 I mean, if you're not even going to bother to take the number down, at least pretend, and count the number of digits Sep 08 17:30:27 downer Sep 08 17:31:50 what? your mobile phone number has more than 4 digits? how should we respect you :p Sep 08 17:32:24 jott, I have a 3 digit slashdot number :P Sep 08 17:32:26 but really, this is very impolite... Sep 08 17:35:01 crashanddie, nahhh you cant have Sep 08 17:35:13 unless its anonymous coward (666) Sep 08 17:35:43 I'm the devil's neighbour Sep 08 17:35:45 665 Sep 08 17:37:50 johnx: meh, gtk lacks some hildon extensions else it would be possible to drag in nokia kbd ;) but this is good enough for now Sep 08 17:38:01 well, I'd answer his question...but he quit Sep 08 17:38:26 Stskeeps, I guess I'll focus on matchbox for now, too Sep 08 17:38:46 qwerty12, there's a good reason ntfs-3g doesn't cope with hibernated drives :) Sep 08 17:39:38 johnx: i'm going to test xfce4-wm + h-i-m and see how that goes Sep 08 17:39:44 johnx, :), but I wish it would, even it it meant risking data loss (for me anyway :)) Sep 08 17:40:11 you should try the matchbox-keyboard layout Navi made :) Sep 08 17:40:48 qwerty12, it would be a pretty big risk. There's a really good chance some of your data on disk is in an inconsistent state Sep 08 17:41:18 johnx: url? :P Sep 08 17:41:28 johnx, I'll just sync before hibernating, most of my hibernations are done with all programs closed Sep 08 17:41:45 qwerty12, like kernel32.dll ? Sep 08 17:42:23 Maybe not :/ Sep 08 17:42:36 Stskeeps, http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/keyboard.xml Sep 08 17:42:59 Meh, I guess even I could remove the check from ntfs-3g Sep 08 17:43:06 drop that in /usr/share/matchbox-keyboard IIRC Sep 08 17:43:29 *nod* Sep 08 17:43:35 johnx: same result with example hi Sep 08 17:43:38 -i-m under xfce wm Sep 08 17:44:00 yeah, but the layout is better if you're going to use matchbox anyways Sep 08 17:44:13 tested matchbox + lxde yet? Sep 08 17:44:39 momentarily Sep 08 17:44:51 then checked yourself into mental hospital for some weeks? :P Sep 08 17:44:52 I'm just getting setup on a fresh install Sep 08 17:45:06 aaaah, sad Sep 08 17:45:15 I was wondering why you weren't using it :( Sep 08 17:45:17 what's the problem? Sep 08 17:45:27 hmm? Sep 08 17:46:05 ah, I thought you'd tested it and the "mental hospital" was where you went afterwards? Sep 08 17:46:17 hehe, no Sep 08 17:46:25 hola Sep 08 17:47:06 hola lopz Sep 08 17:47:19 heya johnx !! Sep 08 17:52:25 ff3 works disturbingly well in deblet... Sep 08 17:53:05 johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/lxde-matchbox-h-i-m.png Sep 08 17:53:40 quite nice Sep 08 17:53:55 changed it in /etc/xdg/lxsession/config Sep 08 17:54:41 I did too, but for some reason it didn't take Sep 08 17:54:46 trying again in a second... Sep 08 17:55:12 i'm not sure why, but it feels like the background desktop keeps on rebooting or something.. nfi why Sep 08 17:55:29 I turned it off to save a little memory Sep 08 17:57:43 hmm...it's kinda sad how much faster an OMAP2420 is vs a PXA270 Sep 08 18:05:25 johnx: At the same frequency? Sep 08 18:09:07 RST38h, nah, the PXA270 is a little faster Sep 08 18:09:07 416MHz Sep 08 18:09:11 armv5 vs armv6 Sep 08 18:09:21 intel pulled the "P4 trick" when they designed the PXA series...lengthen the pipeline, then try to compensate with a higher frequency Sep 08 18:10:49 ah Sep 08 18:11:00 Stskeeps: Which onscreen keyboard program is in that screenshot? Sep 08 18:11:22 poor Intel, that P4 fiasco just keeps on coming back Sep 08 18:11:36 I've been looking for one which is more configurable than the default, so I can do a fitaly layout. Sep 08 18:12:37 RST38h, well it should! That was such an indescribably stupid "strategy" on their part Sep 08 18:12:42 I got the regular keyboard to do fitaly, but there seems to be no way to get rid of the huge space bar, so it's really squished. Sep 08 18:13:04 ToyKeeper: hildon input keyboard + example vkb Sep 08 18:13:11 hildon input method, i mean Sep 08 18:14:12 johnx: i've found why matchbox doesnt look fancy docking or whatever in non-matchbox: _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_INPUT Sep 08 18:14:56 .. i think, or _TOOLBAR Sep 08 18:15:38 I'm not sure how to use layouts such as this: http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/keyboard.xml Sep 08 18:15:50 that's for matchbox-keyboard Sep 08 18:16:02 what kind of package management does maemo use? I'm looking through downloads and I see a lot of GPE applications. ipkg maybe? Sep 08 18:16:34 Ah, then if I can find that package, I should be able to make a decent fitaly layout. Sep 08 18:17:10 tagarashi: apt Sep 08 18:17:21 ok, cool Sep 08 18:20:33 openbox doesn't honor it? or matchbox keyboard doesn't set it? Sep 08 18:20:37 hmm Sep 08 18:20:45 ToyKeeper, that's for matchbox-keyboard in debian, not hildon-input-method in Nokia's linux Sep 08 18:20:49 tagarashi, dpkg Sep 08 18:20:55 ToyKeeper, errr...There might be a version of matchbox keyboard that works with OS2008...I really don't know Sep 08 18:21:04 Yeah, I'm looking now. :) Sep 08 18:21:05 Stskeeps, matchbox wm doesn't cooperate with the lxde "task list" it seems Sep 08 18:21:27 ... pondering how much will break if I pull the package from debian directly. Sep 08 18:21:37 ToyKeeper, possibly a lot? Sep 08 18:21:47 hang on a sec Sep 08 18:22:13 johnx: i would really like not to have to depend on matchbox for proper input method atleast.. it kinda defeats the whole deblet is for the people who want to paint the bikeshed a different colour motto ;) Sep 08 18:22:52 so i'm hacking on h-i-m a bit Sep 08 18:23:13 Stskeeps, yeah...I guess we keep investigating other WMs or start hacking into one of the input methods... Sep 08 18:23:34 input methods or wms... Sep 08 18:24:17 think there's most hope in h-i-m really as there's already qt im plugins and such .. and i have an idea in store to make h-i-m work for any x app Sep 08 18:24:42 I guess so, but matchbox keyboard works with unmodified X apps Sep 08 18:25:11 well, you look at that, and I'll look at matchbox-keyboard and we'll see what happens :) Sep 08 18:25:33 hey ToyKeeper: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/ :D Sep 08 18:27:19 wow usbcontrol i can add external hard drive? Sep 08 18:28:07 as long as they're self powered or need less than 100mA Sep 08 18:29:25 err, is planet maemo breaking down? Sep 08 18:30:09 dunno. my RSS reader is getting spammed with blank posts Sep 08 18:33:05 johnx: yeah - it works but doesnt dock nicely as such Sep 08 18:36:46 Stskeeps, in matchbox? Sep 08 18:39:06 johnx, would you know what external drives work with usbcontrol? mA usage does not seem to be a regularly available spec. Sep 08 18:40:22 tagarashi, usb sticks (ie, flash memory) generally work. hard drives that use an AC adapter are reported to work Sep 08 18:40:49 hard drives (1.8" and 2.5") that don't use an AC adapter won't work unless you find a way to provide additional power Sep 08 18:41:20 ok so if its < 100mA it would power from the host? Sep 08 18:42:02 yup Sep 08 18:42:06 I have 2 usb sticks Sep 08 18:42:14 one works the other doesn't Sep 08 18:42:37 thats a bummer .. ok thanks Sep 08 18:43:02 usually they work...the one that doesn't is kind of cheap and old and sketchy :) Sep 08 18:43:27 it might even be lying about its power requirements Sep 08 18:43:56 Jaffa, btw, fbreader is now in extras, you might consider re-evaluating it for diablo :) Sep 08 18:44:00 (chinook/diablo) Sep 08 18:45:10 johnx: no sorry, changed to openbox again to mess around a bit with h-i-m Sep 08 18:45:45 by the way, writing to usb sticks also usually draws more than reading, so even if you were able to read, writing might cause corruption of the usb stick Sep 08 18:46:06 konttori, I've had good luck with it so far Sep 08 18:46:14 But, I suppose it's really easy to just attach some battery setup to provide power to the sticks/hard drive Sep 08 18:46:40 I wonder how easy it would be to draw that power from the n810 battery Sep 08 18:46:49 it provides close enough correct voltage Sep 08 18:46:49 I was running a rootfs and swap on a usb stick on my zaurus for a long time Sep 08 18:46:54 nice Sep 08 18:47:06 3.7v vs 5v? Sep 08 18:48:29 was the battery 3.7 v only? Sep 08 18:48:31 bummer Sep 08 18:48:55 anyway, might still be enough. Sep 08 18:49:12 I recon 4.5 v would be enough. Sep 08 18:49:55 aren't li-ion batteries between ~3.7 and ~4.2 depending on charge level? Sep 08 18:50:15 johnx: Thanks, it seems to work. I'll let you know when I get a working fitaly layout. Sep 08 18:50:50 It looks like matchbox-keyboard doesn't handle sliding off keys, but I can't tell for sure yet. Sep 08 18:51:19 could be. I don't know much about the inner workings of batteries. Sep 08 18:57:42 Anyone here who is doing themes? Sep 08 18:58:02 I need someone to try out the latest version of theme maker that includes support for icons. Sep 08 18:58:36 alright, I'll give it a quick shot Sep 08 18:58:58 can you ping me at urho.konttori@gmail.com and I'll reply with theme maker attached. Sep 08 18:59:12 do you use linux? (just curious) Sep 08 18:59:46 yup, ubuntu 8.04 Sep 08 18:59:48 I figured you need linux testers, right? Sep 08 19:00:06 Well, I don't test it myself on linux so, why not! Sep 08 19:00:32 (target audience for theme maker is osx and windows -> not coders, but artists) Sep 08 19:00:44 how does the n810/n800 act when hooked via usb? networking or mass storage device? or could i choose between the two? Sep 08 19:00:49 via usb to the pc Sep 08 19:01:01 tagarashi, you can choose Sep 08 19:01:11 sweet Sep 08 19:01:12 default is mass storage access to the SD cards Sep 08 19:01:13 ohg Sep 08 19:03:46 johnx: Thanks! I've sent the package along with few second instructions. Sep 08 19:05:08 got it Sep 08 19:05:48 will test then go to bed :) Sep 08 19:07:06 anybody know when is svn supposed to be back ? Sep 08 19:07:14 thanks johnx. Sep 08 19:07:50 oh, after you install (and set to use) a theme with new icons, some icons will only take effect after restart. Sep 08 19:09:58 maybe I'm being dense but I don't see anything about icons... Sep 08 19:15:07 at the bottom of the view Sep 08 19:15:38 under the optional font file Sep 08 19:16:20 I really don't know how I missed that Sep 08 19:16:36 :) Sep 08 19:19:12 progress seems to have stopped at 1% Sep 08 19:19:16 I'll let it sit for a while Sep 08 19:23:56 ah, note for linux: make sure to run it from the CLI in the cwd with java -jar foo.jar Sep 08 19:25:38 Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Width (-1) and height (-1) cannot be <= 0 Sep 08 19:26:07 I'm off to bed for now...need sleep Sep 08 19:27:10 good night johnx Sep 08 19:30:36 night johnx! Sep 08 19:30:39 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/09/theme-maker-117-now-with-support-for.html Sep 08 19:33:46 thanks johnx. I figured that the icons template is mandatory. Sep 08 19:33:55 that's the reason it was stuck at 1% Sep 08 19:34:00 * konttori_ goes to bed as well Sep 08 19:39:07 * Stskeeps shakes his fist at private window manager window extensions Sep 08 19:52:06 evening all Sep 08 19:57:54 evening lardman Sep 08 19:58:04 hi RST38h Sep 08 20:01:36 very quiet here tonight Sep 08 20:05:30 jott: do you know/remember how the issues with building cmake based stuff on the autobuilder was fixed? As now qt requires qemu cvs-m I'm hitting the same problems locally when building kde stuff... Sep 08 20:06:30 lardman: anything new with a2dp? Sep 08 20:06:45 RST38h: all finished as far as I'm concerned Sep 08 20:07:03 RST38h: except for the video issue, but I don't know what that is Sep 08 20:07:05 lardman: so the only stuff left is at nokia's end? Sep 08 20:07:19 RST38h: yeah, in terms of them supporting it out of the box? Sep 08 20:07:31 lardman: yes. should we start the bombardment? Sep 08 20:07:44 RST38h: it will be troublesome probably because they use one of the dsp tasks as a mixer Sep 08 20:08:18 how do they stream headset audio then? Sep 08 20:08:18 RST38h: no, I want to push for some new tasks which can be linked together - with a separate mixer task that can be used by either sbc or eap Sep 08 20:08:36 yes but this can't happen without nokia's participation right? Sep 08 20:08:52 RST38h: I don't know, not thought about it Sep 08 20:09:09 RST38h: not quickly without them, no, but still doable in the long term Sep 08 20:09:23 my guess is that a2dp should happen in parallel with headset stuff, at the same level Sep 08 20:09:31 RST38h: I'm not even sure the mixer thing is the problem, that's my guess Sep 08 20:09:41 oh Sep 08 20:10:14 lardman: Why not open a bug for A2DP integration and ask dneary to find somebody responsible? Sep 08 20:10:32 RST38h: is there not one already, I think there is Sep 08 20:10:56 * RST38h vaguely remembers opening it, yes Sep 08 20:11:09 Should kick it around a little bit for all to see Sep 08 20:11:28 certainly Sep 08 20:11:44 we may see something for the next device as I presume the code will need to be re-written entirely Sep 08 20:11:50 the dsp code that is Sep 08 20:13:14 assuming we move to an omap 3xxx that is Sep 08 20:13:16 does OMAP3 use a different dsp? Sep 08 20:13:20 yeah Sep 08 20:13:29 tms320c6xx Sep 08 20:13:33 probably will, although I expect to see omap3 based S60 devices first Sep 08 20:13:43 as opposed to tms320c55x Sep 08 20:14:02 ah... Sep 08 20:14:39 anyone here familiar with libmad? Sep 08 20:14:55 yes what about it? Sep 08 20:15:11 just trying to get it running on the dsp Sep 08 20:15:36 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m1a7c20c3 Sep 08 20:16:13 just wondering if that indicates a fault, and if so where Sep 08 20:16:28 Mek: hm that's bad... i guess we really should consider wrapper scripts for the tools on an sbox installation or evaluate the performance gain.. :( Sep 08 20:16:32 I would start by looking at the executable map Sep 08 20:16:53 does ti dsp compiler generate symbol maps? Sep 08 20:16:59 not sure Sep 08 20:17:04 what is one? Sep 08 20:17:11 check, see what is at address 0x0293d8 Sep 08 20:17:16 oh I see, where the failure was you mean Sep 08 20:17:30 a map will look like a list of labels with addresses Sep 08 20:17:48 yep, hang on let me browse the docs and see what I can find Sep 08 20:17:49 jott: yeah, I guess somehow it should be possible to run a native cmake from an ARMEL target? Sep 08 20:17:54 but if this message is printed by libmad, it should have "translation fault" string somewhere Sep 08 20:18:04 look for this one too Sep 08 20:18:10 RST38h: no, that's a message from dsp_dld Sep 08 20:18:25 RST38h: to tell us that there was a fault in the task Sep 08 20:18:32 Mek: uhm. that should also be possible. but i am not a real sbox expert. Sep 08 20:18:34 ok, then map it is Sep 08 20:18:52 Mek: another way would be to use a more recent qemu svn snapshot... Sep 08 20:19:14 Mek: qemu is really unfortunate :( Sep 08 20:19:34 jott: yeah, that might help too... are there instructions somewhere on how to get a newer svn snapshot? Sep 08 20:20:03 anyone played with tslib recently? Sep 08 20:20:06 Mek: no. basically you need to apply some of the patches that are used in sbox. Sep 08 20:20:18 sounds like fun... Sep 08 20:20:19 lbt: me a bit :) Sep 08 20:20:28 did you get anywhere? Sep 08 20:20:39 static linking Sep 08 20:20:41 ? Sep 08 20:21:40 lbt: not entirely.. Sep 08 20:22:00 well actually it needs some debugging i thing.. Sep 08 20:22:27 Mek: http://outpo.st/qemu-arm-eabi-sb2 might give this one a try. Sep 08 20:22:42 Mek: then there is also sbrsh... Sep 08 20:23:00 I was thinking of just getting the modules and combining them into a maemo-tslib Sep 08 20:23:01 lbt: want may version to continue to work on? Sep 08 20:23:09 RST38h: nice idea, but the code is relocated Sep 08 20:23:36 i bascially removed the dlopen stuff and initialize the modules on demand.. Sep 08 20:24:06 go on then... Sep 08 20:24:52 lbt: not sure if i just sucked at setting it up or if there is still some major bug in it.. Sep 08 20:25:10 lbt: http://outpo.st/tslib-1.0-static.tar.gz Sep 08 20:25:10 jott: that one doesn't work; apparently it isn't new enough for the vfp stuff the current qt stuff depends on Sep 08 20:25:23 Mek: darn.. Sep 08 20:25:41 ta Sep 08 20:25:42 Mek: well maybe go for wrapper scripts for now then? Sep 08 20:26:02 Mek: like "SBOX_BLABLA=qemu-bla qmake $@" Sep 08 20:26:10 yeah, I'll try that Sep 08 20:26:15 jott, I think better not use patched tslib Sep 08 20:26:24 Anunakin: huh? why not? Sep 08 20:26:38 lardman: ouch Sep 08 20:27:01 RST38h: it may be possible to work out how, but not really necessary atm Sep 08 20:27:04 lardman: ok, plan b: put a lot of printfs into the code that is supposed to execute Sep 08 20:27:16 RST38h: yeah, that's what I'm doing ;) Sep 08 20:27:22 lardman: hehe ;) Sep 08 20:27:28 jott: remember, ... I told you about use keylauncher from OpenZaurus project... this emulate all mouse buttons... with stylus... and works for all applications Sep 08 20:29:35 jott: do you think tslib should/would work whilst maemo is running? Sep 08 20:30:20 I can't see why not : /dev/event/0 is only read Sep 08 20:30:20 lbt: i can "cat /dev/input/event3" so... yes i think it should work.. Sep 08 20:30:51 lbt: yeah permission too.. its "3" though.. Sep 08 20:31:01 Anunakin: tbh. i can't remember.. sources? Sep 08 20:31:55 thanks - just pseudo device... Sep 08 20:36:41 lbt: make sure to set TSLIB_TSDEVICE :) Sep 08 20:37:11 when a comparison is done in C between a variable and a static value, is the static value cast(ed) to the same type as the var? Sep 08 20:37:13 would be great if you manage to run it .. probably something small and stupid :) Sep 08 20:37:15 ts_parse_vars.c:36: undefined reference to `bzero' Sep 08 20:37:27 huh? Sep 08 20:37:30 just peering around... Sep 08 20:37:47 it linked to libts.a Sep 08 20:38:07 but then linking to my test applet (one of their tests IIRC) gave that... Sep 08 20:38:50 d'oh it had a ts_config() call Sep 08 20:43:26 lardman: no Sep 08 20:43:47 RST38h: how is the comparison performed then? Sep 08 20:43:53 lardman: or, really, if it CAN be casted it will be, otherwise you are gonna get a warning or an error Sep 08 20:44:04 lardman: example: Sep 08 20:44:14 (unsigned long)L == 5 will work Sep 08 20:44:22 Just released a new Matrix Theme and Updated Windows XP theme with Custom Icons. If anyone is interested. Sep 08 20:44:41 RST38h: my question really stems from the problem that pointers are 23bit on the DSP, and I'm wondering if a pointer can be correctly compared to -01 Sep 08 20:44:46 (int)L == 5ULL will cause a warning Sep 08 20:45:01 lardman: compare it to NULL Sep 08 20:45:06 lardman: and you should be fine Sep 08 20:45:26 RST38h: hmm, NULL has the value 0, when malloc fails it appears to return -1 Sep 08 20:45:35 RST38h: in 23bit form of course Sep 08 20:45:36 lardman: that is a wrong malloc Sep 08 20:45:45 'cause good malloc returns null :) Sep 08 20:45:51 RST38h: most things are wrong on a DSP ;) Sep 08 20:46:00 ok, do it this way: Sep 08 20:46:37 (unsigned int)PTR == 0xffffff Sep 08 20:46:38 if(pointer=0x7fffff) or whatever the correct value is? Sep 08 20:46:57 the above comparison will work no matter what Sep 08 20:54:51 * lardman is beginning to wonder whether he can work out the relocation easily Sep 08 20:55:01 had enough of all these dbg() [printf()] Sep 08 20:55:48 wow, nearly worked Sep 08 20:56:37 I would go with printfs Sep 08 20:56:46 you already put some, just put some more Sep 08 20:57:28 ahhh printfs, like toilet roll after a curry, you can never have enough Sep 08 20:57:56 lol Sep 08 20:59:08 * qwerty12_N800 hates curry to the dismay of my relatives Sep 08 21:01:16 the problem with printfs (or rather dbgs for the dsp) is that eventually you run out of space to store the static data Sep 08 21:01:29 well, remove some old ones Sep 08 21:01:42 yeah, well with dsp-tremor I need most of them Sep 08 21:02:02 but you are specifically looking to solve the libmad problem Sep 08 21:02:07 but yeah, comment out as I go along Sep 08 21:02:10 so just concentrate your printfs on it Sep 08 21:02:28 oh no, it's on a per-task basis, just commenting on what happens eventually Sep 08 21:02:39 i thought i was a sucker for punishment, im ever surprised by how much pain you endure for that dsp lardman :) Sep 08 21:02:59 pain? Sep 08 21:03:00 lcuk: it's a case of finishing what I've started Sep 08 21:03:07 he has got printfs and malloc and you call it pain? Sep 08 21:03:18 I'd gladly bin the tremor stuff, no-one seems interested, I don't even use it Sep 08 21:03:24 oh yes, ive got a whole ui class structure to build yet .. Sep 08 21:03:34 yeah malloc is a gift :) Sep 08 21:03:47 his malloc returns -1 on failures though Sep 08 21:03:52 ive got the individual parts and they work alone, but ive just made a nice bit of glue :) Sep 08 21:04:03 prolly because his memory starts at 0 Sep 08 21:04:16 RST38h: it seem to return a few different values actually, which is slightly worrying Sep 08 21:04:16 and ends at about 12 Sep 08 21:04:33 yep, a whole 12 bytes to use :) Sep 08 21:04:48 0 is saved to check for null pointer errors of course Sep 08 21:05:00 lardman, do the pointers HAVE to be 16bit aligned and is the result returning odd valueson error Sep 08 21:05:27 or something equally pie in the sky Sep 08 21:05:34 lcuk: well the byte is 16bits, I don't think it needs to be aligned though Sep 08 21:05:35 ok, this laptop is gonna die in a moment Sep 08 21:05:49 RST38h: thanks for your help, before you go Sep 08 21:06:07 lardman: _I'm_ interested. Sep 08 21:06:28 derf: ok :) not many people are interested then ;) Sep 08 21:06:57 derf: with that said, I need to work out what I can remove from the memory allocation, and see if I can get away without going back to the slab allocator Sep 08 21:07:05 BTW, the QR code stuff is now correctly accounting for projective distortion and picking out all the alignment patterns. Sep 08 21:07:17 derf: great! :) Sep 08 21:07:18 All the remains is the actual decoding part. Sep 08 21:07:29 derf! excellent Sep 08 21:07:32 derf: sounds good! Sep 08 21:07:37 Just that part was about 3000 lines of code. Sep 08 21:07:51 derf: how does it perform on the device? have you tried? Sep 08 21:07:57 jott: Not yet. Sep 08 21:08:24 It's pretty dang fast on the PC, though, except for the PNGs I'm writing out all over the place. Sep 08 21:08:43 Just for added challenge, I'm also not using any floating point. Sep 08 21:09:06 * lardman wonders if he's actually got some pcm out of the mad task Sep 08 21:09:28 derf: Q31 or something like that? Sep 08 21:09:55 lardman: Much more complicated than that. Sep 08 21:10:12 :) Sep 08 21:10:18 wizardry!! Sep 08 21:10:18 ? Sep 08 21:11:26 I actually don't use any 32x32->64 bit multiplies at all. Sep 08 21:11:50 Which I was fairly surprised to be able to get away with. Sep 08 21:12:35 * ccooke laughs Sep 08 21:12:47 derf, what are you using to write pngs, gstreamer? Sep 08 21:12:55 lcuk: libpng. Sep 08 21:13:01 The correct solution for a CGI program running on my tablet is, of course, to have the CGI script run bash... Sep 08 21:13:07 It's just for debugging. Sep 08 21:13:46 i couldnt get that initialized, can you tell me what libs and flags you use Sep 08 21:14:04 Initialized? Sep 08 21:14:05 ive got it installed but couldnt find a -dev package for it Sep 08 21:14:52 yer, ive got jpeg loading code and a block of png loading code using libpng, but i cant find the -dev so have no headers or objects Sep 08 21:15:01 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m718ceb30 a lack of major errors which is nice Sep 08 21:15:18 libpng12-dev - PNG library - development Sep 08 21:15:28 I just link with -lpng Sep 08 21:15:48 :( apt-cache search libpng12-dev Sep 08 21:15:48 Nokia-N810-23-14:/media/mmc1/liqbase_www_jpeg# Sep 08 21:16:07 That was Sep 08 21:16:08 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search png Sep 08 21:16:09 can you pastebin your sources ? :) Sep 08 21:16:39 evas and the runtime Sep 08 21:16:40 lcuk: quick + dirty way : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libp/libpng3/ Sep 08 21:17:02 It's just r.m.o, the sdk binaries, and deb http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian/ chinook maemo Sep 08 21:17:19 (Yes, I know Chinook is old, but I'm too lazy to upgrade) Sep 08 21:18:27 how weird, when I remove the comments from the various fns I get a translation error, but with them, it runs ok Sep 08 21:18:29 hmmm, thats why then - im only using the defaults, qwerty12_N800 how do i convert that path to a proper repo deb line Sep 08 21:18:40 I wonder if my compiler is compiling something away that it shouldn't Sep 08 21:18:51 lcuk: wait a sec, i've got it here Sep 08 21:18:55 ta Sep 08 21:20:35 ~lart h-a-m Sep 08 21:20:35 * infobot holds h-a-m to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails Sep 08 21:21:03 the chimp? Sep 08 21:21:31 i think hes trying to cut n paste from app manager Sep 08 21:21:36 i just tried this and it failed Sep 08 21:21:36 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo free non-free Sep 08 21:22:15 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo sdk/free tools/free sdk/non-free tools/non-free Sep 08 21:22:30 thanks :D Sep 08 21:22:59 oh look :D libpng12-dev - PNG library - development Sep 08 21:23:46 * lcuk knows where he went wrong Sep 08 21:24:32 derf, without you i wouldnt have realised i needed the 12 Sep 08 21:24:35 \o/ Sep 08 21:24:41 * lcuk runs to put it in Sep 08 21:25:46 is anybody using the GPE calendar with google sync? Sep 08 21:27:27 * qwerty12_N800 curses after finding out dpkg-dev will take 30MB of space on the / Sep 08 21:29:51 * sp3000 giggles Sep 08 21:30:54 so first I'm like ok meh mark goes off on a rant when seeing something he disagrees with in a conversation Sep 08 21:31:49 then I'm like ok wtf mark goes off on roughly the same rant one intervening message and 33 minutes later when seeing something he agrees with in the same conversation Sep 08 21:32:06 some people get all the energy :P Sep 08 21:33:56 IS there a decent superserver for maemo? Sep 08 21:34:39 Does anyone happen to have a dpkg-repack package? Sep 08 21:35:30 (preferably dpkg-repacked, for that distinctive flavor of recursion) Sep 08 21:36:00 qwerty12_N800: no, but you can script up a substitute pretty easily Sep 08 21:36:33 oops, two messages and 92 minutes later, let's not be unfair here Sep 08 21:36:45 ccooke: Heh, probably not me :/. I'll hit up the sbox in the morning. Sep 08 21:36:51 ow, just deafened myself with very loud static Sep 08 21:37:19 qwerty12_N800: if you can't find one, remind me - I've probably got a script for it lying around somewhere Sep 08 21:37:33 * ccooke does a lot of shell scripting Sep 08 21:37:38 lardman: /Now/, would you rather listen to my music? ;P Sep 08 21:37:57 ccooke: Might take you up on that, thanks. Sep 08 21:38:04 qwerty12_N800: isn't that what he said he just did :P Sep 08 21:38:26 sp3000: :P Sep 08 21:38:29 qwerty12_N800: yeah, might sound better now too! ;p Sep 08 21:39:15 hehe, I did the same thing. mplayer rc2, a2dp, full volume... Sep 08 21:39:42 How's a2dp support coming along? Still a massive battery drain Sep 08 21:39:43 ? Sep 08 21:40:56 ccooke: I've not tested the battery life using the DSP, if anyone is bored and fancies doing a comparison I'd like to hear Sep 08 21:41:55 Damn. It looks like there's no inetd already ported to maemo. Is that the case, or am I just blind? Sep 08 21:43:44 qwerty12_N800: http://outpo.st/dpkg-repack_1.28_all.deb but you need a gnu tar in /bin/tar for it... Sep 08 21:44:17 jott: thanks! already got gnutar symlinked there :) Sep 08 21:49:11 balls! Sep 08 21:49:31 * qwerty12_N800 prefers saying bollocks Sep 08 21:49:48 pollocks! Sep 08 21:50:02 * elekt throws paint @ #maemo Sep 08 21:50:07 quark! Sep 08 21:50:20 frak? Sep 08 21:50:29 if i am to do alpha blending using a proper alpha channel source i need to allocate 5 bitplanes! Sep 08 21:50:35 :D frak Sep 08 21:50:44 * lcuk shoots a cylon Sep 08 21:51:02 * jott hands lcuk a towel Sep 08 21:51:12 better stuff your bitplanes on it Sep 08 21:51:26 its very flexible Sep 08 21:51:45 its not a problem, but its a glitch in my plan Sep 08 21:52:44 because the UV planes are each half resolution, i cannot simply pass a reference to the primary alpha - the routine would not know how to handle a double res plane (some of the time) Sep 08 21:52:59 and rather than fucking im just gonna allocate an extra half res one Sep 08 21:53:34 lcuk: maybe alpha in uv resolution is sufficient? Sep 08 21:53:37 its all derfs fault though for mentioning saving pngs Sep 08 21:54:27 maybe,but then the function which blends a single channel bitplane (Y or U or V) would still need to know, this time do it at half resolution, and others do it at full Sep 08 21:54:39 but memory wise it would make things simpler Sep 08 21:55:21 yes jott, and it would hopefully allow a bit of optimisation Sep 08 21:55:36 excellent idea :) Sep 08 21:56:02 * lcuk wasnt doing bitmaps tonight, ive got a style library to write Sep 08 22:08:33 Averyone seen this? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3662 Sep 08 22:08:37 koffice for maemo Sep 08 22:09:17 Installation instructions: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3624 Sep 08 22:09:27 (contains repository links) Sep 08 22:09:46 perhaps someone could make a .install link for the guy Sep 08 22:10:50 Sounds like Mek on here :> Sep 08 22:11:16 yeah, that is my blog :) Sep 08 22:12:04 Nice work , I think I just need to set up an mmc boot :) Sep 08 22:15:31 * sp3000 gets personal on -users Sep 08 22:15:38 someone tie my hands now Sep 08 22:15:44 * jott ignores -users Sep 08 22:15:59 problem solved :) Sep 08 22:16:43 Mek: does it work with a wrapper script? Sep 08 22:19:36 jott: that is still a bit tricky, as essentially it is only cmake that needs to run with the normal qemu, and everything else with the svn version, but that everything else includes programs that are build by cmake, so I need to do some cmake magic to change stuff between building and executing of them... Sep 08 22:20:09 yuk. Sep 08 22:20:17 ~lart qemu Sep 08 22:20:17 * infobot slaps a compatible dib on qemu's head Sep 08 22:20:29 perhaps I could write my own qemu-replacement binary that somehow decides based on what is being run which real qemu to exec Sep 08 22:20:57 Mek: would be great to know why qemu fails and have a proper fix.. Sep 08 22:21:11 or better why cmake fails under the cvs-m version.. Sep 08 22:21:21 (afair it worked for my - that is even stranger) Sep 08 22:21:43 yeah... fixing qemu would of course be the best solution... Sep 08 22:23:33 Mek: oh, i just realized i gave you the wrong qemu... http://outpo.st/qemu-arm-0.9.2-svn was the one i meant... Sep 08 22:25:03 that's a recent svn snapshot with some of the important patches backported by me. Sep 08 22:26:09 if it turns out that it works for you, it might be worth to double check the necessity of the patches i left out and make it proper... Sep 08 22:27:10 jott: uhm, that one only shows me usage information whenever I try to run something... Sep 08 22:27:35 huh?! Sep 08 22:27:50 :D heh, can anyone guess what the search and replace was: // blend blending from an actual blend channel Sep 08 22:27:52 * jott is confused Sep 08 22:28:38 lcuk: will it blend? :) Sep 08 22:28:46 i think it will Sep 08 22:30:37 gna Sep 08 22:55:17 Hey, does anyone know what the function of icd2 is on Diablo? Sep 08 22:55:46 Internetz Sep 08 22:56:11 Because it's currently running up about ~98% of the CPU according to top. Sep 08 22:56:37 And I'm not even connected yet. Sep 08 22:57:00 it tries so hard to get connected :) Sep 08 22:57:26 that does not sound normal though.. Sep 08 22:57:30 jott: I think what might be happening is that scratchbox passes --sbox-call to qemu which perhaps your qemu version does not understand? Sep 08 22:57:40 Mek: yes. Sep 08 22:57:43 Mek: sorry. Sep 08 22:57:53 Mek: the first qemu was the right version. Sep 08 22:58:21 Mek: i mixed something up there - so apparently there is another patch missing. :( Sep 08 22:59:20 okay, the first one exist with a "qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting" when trying to run a qt application (built with vfp like the packages currently are) Sep 08 22:59:28 s/exist/exits Sep 08 22:59:32 yes. Sep 08 22:59:40 confirmed. Sep 08 23:00:49 i was pretty sure it worked once... bah.. Sep 08 23:01:17 well, previously the qt packages didn't had vfp enabled, and everything just worked :) Sep 08 23:02:15 Mek: no with vfp ofcourse.. Sep 08 23:02:23 ah, okay :) Sep 08 23:02:38 * jott hates qemus crappieness Sep 08 23:04:35 mhh Sep 08 23:05:04 http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/?f=print Sep 08 23:05:28 i thought this project was abandoned... Sep 08 23:05:37 they made some changes Sep 08 23:06:02 Mek: mind to test it? qmake works with it Sep 08 23:06:25 don't know about your cmake problem :d Sep 08 23:06:50 I'll try it Sep 08 23:06:58 oh i actually tried the trunk version.. Sep 08 23:07:04 don't know if it is different Sep 08 23:07:17 there are a bunch of scripts in there... Sep 08 23:07:25 svn co https://qemu-arm-eabi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/qemu-arm-eabi/trunk Sep 08 23:07:32 night all Sep 08 23:07:56 party on. Sep 08 23:07:56 first run get-qemu.sh Sep 08 23:08:04 then build-* Sep 08 23:08:18 since were talking about qemu, how would one go about installing a qemu-arm binary, when ever I try to use one that I've installed it says cannot found even though the file (qemu) is there Sep 08 23:09:08 Firebird: installed where? and how? :) Sep 08 23:09:36 jott, copied it into devkits/cputrans/bin then added it to the methods file Sep 08 23:10:07 ok. Sep 08 23:10:11 it says "cannot find file/at/path/qemu-arm-blahblah" even though it does exist at that exact path Sep 08 23:10:34 is it executable? Sep 08 23:10:39 yep Sep 08 23:10:50 I can even run it manually Sep 08 23:10:57 which qemu did you use? Sep 08 23:11:04 from source Sep 08 23:11:07 0.9.1 Sep 08 23:11:09 the vanilla svn version does not work Sep 08 23:11:20 sbox uses a couple of patches Sep 08 23:11:50 so I need to apply those patches? Sep 08 23:11:55 yes Sep 08 23:11:59 http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/ Sep 08 23:12:02 ah Sep 08 23:12:21 i just realized that they maintain newer patches as it seems. Sep 08 23:14:44 well actually the qemu-erm-eabi is at r4993 and upstream is at r5181 Sep 08 23:15:22 i guess it's just a matter of luck that you find a qemu that works with all the applications *you* use :/ Sep 08 23:16:44 jott: yay, that version seems to at least work better than anything so far :) Sep 08 23:16:49 woot Sep 08 23:16:55 ok good news ;) Sep 08 23:17:04 still a messy situation.. Sep 08 23:17:43 i guess this need to be documented somewhere :/ Sep 08 23:18:38 yeah... I guess if tonight my entire kde build suceeds I'll blog about this tomorrow... Sep 08 23:18:48 Mek: sweet. Sep 08 23:19:02 oh dear christ Sep 08 23:19:08 have you a working digikam? :) Sep 08 23:19:23 I do, why? Sep 08 23:19:58 * GeneralAntilles doesn't know how anybody deals with -users. Sep 08 23:20:01 ah like to play with it. as maemo misses a decent "basic" photo editor... Sep 08 23:20:43 andre___, isn't Mark just such a wonderful person? :P Sep 08 23:20:58 lol quim spammed my planet feed :p Sep 08 23:21:16 *shrug* I just wonder if I should reply an "I meant everything as I wrote it, and I'm a native speaker of course" Sep 08 23:21:36 but in general, I don't care that much. Had enough conflicts in the last days, one more or less... don't care... Sep 08 23:21:59 Mek: it's not your repo yet :/ Sep 08 23:22:25 I hate that guy. Sep 08 23:22:33 He turns every discussion he's involved in into a flamewar Sep 08 23:22:45 haha Sep 08 23:22:52 ok, i should reply then ;-)) Sep 08 23:22:58 He's really an ass Sep 08 23:23:33 that likes to trumpet himself as a crusader for the protection of the common man from the horrible oppressive geeks. Sep 08 23:28:35 done. cigarette, sleep, breakfast, work. now that's a plan! Sep 08 23:28:46 Woo Sep 08 23:29:10 hej, you wrote a message too :) Sep 08 23:29:33 I probably shouldn't have Sep 08 23:29:37 but I'm so sick of his BS. Sep 08 23:31:05 I can only answer "*shrug*" on such stuff. Seen too many flamewars in the last years, don't get sick anymore, it just bores me :) Sep 08 23:40:12 * sp3000 comes back from tv Sep 08 23:40:19 I didn't stir anything did I? Sep 08 23:40:28 toldya shoulda tied me up :P Sep 08 23:42:10 sp3000, nah, he can stir even the most innocuous little things into a shitstorm, all on his own. Sep 08 23:42:29 crashanddie, that's the overreaction reaction I reflexively respond to. Sep 08 23:44:27 "overreaction reaction", heh... "I misunderestimated that." Sep 08 23:45:04 eh? Sep 08 23:45:08 who hates me? Sep 08 23:45:10 When I tried to describe it this morning, it turned into GeneralAntilles == Darius Sep 08 23:45:21 My attempts at greater precision have failed. :P Sep 08 23:46:22 having several accounts/identities on one mailing list and starting flamewars with oneself? Sep 08 23:46:27 GeneralAntilles, ??? Sep 08 23:46:30 oh, you good old scriptkiddie times :-D Sep 08 23:46:42 crashanddie, check -users. Sep 08 23:47:04 erhm Sep 08 23:47:09 link? :-° Sep 08 23:47:40 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-September/022404.html Sep 08 23:48:14 well, I AM arrogant. no need to discuss that :-P Sep 08 23:48:35 This sort of shit is why I jump to the conclusion that responses that seem over-the-top are over-the-top (like your IRC message this morning). Sep 08 23:49:35 oooh Sep 08 23:49:37 * andre___ wonders who "you" is and which timezone "morning" refers to Sep 08 23:50:26 andre___, I was a bit mischievous this morning on -developers, and challenged ideas about #maemo being part of maemo.org or the widespread Maemo Community Sep 08 23:51:14 ah Sep 08 23:51:43 yeah, saw that Sep 08 23:52:46 that said, mail usage is a shitstorm by its nature Sep 08 23:53:11 people have their own personal crazy workflows and setups that conflict with each other Sep 08 23:53:31 you get that on each medium Sep 08 23:53:51 although the modest account switching thing (haven't personally met it) doesn't sound like something that really serves any case beautifully Sep 08 23:54:07 half reading on IRC cuz you have meat in the pan, faulty argumentation cuz you want to prove a point on the mailing list because you want to catch the last bus Sep 08 23:54:11 I dunno, mail seems to get it more than others Sep 08 23:54:29 people should just learn to stfu sometimes, especially on mailing list, you have the time to ponder your ideas and formulate them Sep 08 23:54:45 Mailing lists are weird like that Sep 08 23:54:53 They tend to drag in the strangest types of people Sep 08 23:54:54 but there's one thing that annoys the fuck out of me on the mailing lists Sep 08 23:55:04 QUOTING! Sep 08 23:55:05 IRC and forums are more consistent. Sep 08 23:55:11 hahaha Sep 08 23:55:26 QUOTEFIGHT Sep 08 23:55:31 * GeneralAntilles doesn't come from a mailing list background and is probably doing it wrong. Sep 08 23:55:32 you see emails with a 300lines+ trailing message Sep 08 23:55:54 GeneralAntilles: Just don't top-post and there won't be any blood. Sep 08 23:56:04 Yeah, haven't done any of that. Sep 08 23:56:07 the nice thing with irc is proper asshats get out of hand and then banned in real time with relatively little drama Sep 08 23:56:19 I tend to delete a lot of cruft when I'm quoting Sep 08 23:56:31 GeneralAntilles, which is the correct way of doing things Sep 08 23:56:36 I've no idea why a lot of people insist on quoting automatically generated signatures. Sep 08 23:57:23 Less than 10 lines of quoting + bottom-posting = perfect, 10-20 lines of quoting + bottom-quoting = ~medium, but depends on quality of signal, 20+ lines of quoting or top-quoting = nightmare Sep 08 23:57:58 signatures = less than 4 lines Sep 08 23:58:14 no, me a newsgroup moderator? No way ;) Sep 08 23:59:00 The "CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE" signatures crack me up. Sep 08 23:59:54 I can't fucking believe it Sep 08 23:59:58 GeneralAntilles, they're the most stupid thing invented since the marketing-driven 3+ blades razors Sep 09 00:00:13 * GeneralAntilles has a 5-blade razor. :P Sep 09 00:00:32 Double edge security razor = win Sep 09 00:01:02 I've tried every number of blades Sep 09 00:01:16 The 5-blade is the only one that doesn't chew me up. Sep 09 00:01:30 GeneralAntilles, you just don't have proper technique Sep 09 00:01:37 Yeah, yeah. Sep 09 00:02:10 instead of paying any attention to the personal part, he goes off on a rant on the case in point item I included just in case it was needed Sep 09 00:02:28 I like the thread where he blew up in Igor's face. Sep 09 00:03:06 what, do I need a HELLO I'M TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING POTENTIALLY PERSONALLY OFFENSIVE intro to make that register? Sep 09 00:03:47 most important part, pre-shave. Take a shower before shaving, massage the skin lightly with very hot water, rinse your face with hot water and keep it very wet, lather up, don't use pressurised foam, that's just bullshit, use a regular shaving cream/gel, keep your blade hot and very wet, and only one pass, even if you missed a bit, never pass on your skin a second time when there's no lather Sep 09 00:03:55 Sep 09 00:04:11 Sep 09 00:04:19 crashanddie: I lost you at hot and very wet Sep 09 00:04:26 Ha Sep 09 00:04:30 sp3000, I'm right there Sep 09 00:04:36 well, not atm Sep 09 00:04:48 ok, that came out wrong Sep 09 00:06:05 also, do multiple passes, and shave in the same direction as the hair growth, *NEVER* against it Sep 09 00:06:44 Yes, yes, I know. ;P Sep 09 00:08:15 I enjoy shaving, I have different kind of blades to go with my mood, from ninja sharp blades for when I have death wishes to blades that are very forgiving, in case I'm in a rush, I have different kinds of lather, soap, cream, you name it, and yes, I use a brush :) Sep 09 00:08:46 Fetishist, eh? Sep 09 00:08:52 hot and wet Sep 09 00:08:57 it all makes sense now Sep 09 00:09:14 I just like to be reminded of my night when I wake up ;) Sep 09 00:09:39 ok I admit, that was just the inner geek wishful thinking right there Sep 09 00:09:41 Ehehe Sep 09 00:15:21 Fried chicken and rice Sep 09 00:16:16 sadly, this is a very good example of very poor quoting: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-September/022430.html Sep 09 00:16:55 I think qgil takes the cake for poor quoting practices by your metrics. Sep 09 00:17:22 really? Sep 09 00:18:05 there is always http://learn.to/quote :) Sep 09 00:18:26 GeneralAntilles, actually no Sep 09 00:19:20 He also renames topics on the fly, which isn't bad practice Sep 09 00:58:39 * sp3000 sighs Sep 09 00:58:41 SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET Sep 09 00:58:49 * sp3000 gives it a day Sep 09 01:00:08 Haha Sep 09 01:01:23 * ccooke wonders if the SOMEONE being WRONG on the INTERNET was wrong in a way he hasn't encountered yet. Sep 09 01:01:38 Probably. There's so *much* wrong... Sep 09 01:01:49 It's like Pokemon Sep 09 01:01:53 "Gotta correct them all!" Sep 09 01:02:10 you have to experience it all... before the charges of homicide start to stack up? Sep 09 01:02:32 ah, well. It keeps things interesting. Sep 09 01:03:16 For instance, It's 2am here, I have work in the morning and *instead* I'm hacking on a bastardised RSS archiver for my tablet. Anything interesting has to be a bonus. Sep 09 01:11:18 oh sweet Sep 09 01:11:30 xournal can open pdfs \o/ Sep 09 01:17:42 aspect: and edit them, which is better :-) Sep 09 01:18:51 yeah. I just discovered this by accident downloading a pdf on my tablet/notebook which doesn't have xpdf installed. made me very happy! Sep 09 01:22:59 It uses pdftoppm, which comes from xpdf. Sep 09 02:03:07 OMFG I just had a fox sniff my ass and run away Sep 09 02:03:31 Are you sleeping out on the yard or something? Sep 09 02:22:12 GeneralAntilles, I'm outside with the laptop so I can smoke freely Sep 09 02:43:13 hello! I am trying to download Mplayer to my Nokia 700 running OS2006. What is the "helper" application that seems to be missing? Sep 09 02:46:04 When I try to download mplayer from the maemo website I have a download error "/tmp/player-1.install could not be opened because the associated helper application does not exist. Change the association in your preferences." Sep 09 02:47:07 Y'all are quiet tonight :) Sep 09 02:50:17 hello anyone Sep 09 02:57:46 mdg: os2006? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 09 02:59:57 2008