**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 14 02:59:56 2008 Sep 14 03:00:18 Isn't Mint Ubuntu-based? Sep 14 03:00:25 yes Sep 14 03:00:29 Is there a "Terminal Server Client" in the application menu somewhere? Sep 14 03:00:59 vncviewer Sep 14 03:01:35 I don't see "terminal Server client" Sep 14 03:01:47 Maybe http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html if you want a GUI. Sep 14 03:01:54 bef0rd sounds like he can help here. ;) Sep 14 03:02:39 so I should download tightvnc - let me check in synaptic Sep 14 03:02:53 mdg, try typing on a terminal 'vncviewer' Sep 14 03:04:05 vncviewer is installed on my desktop and it came up with a little box asking for ip address Sep 14 03:04:25 shoot - I forgot what my Nokia's IP is Sep 14 03:05:05 ~flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Sep 14 03:05:06 okay, GeneralAntilles Sep 14 03:05:10 timelyx ^ Sep 14 03:07:35 I forgot how to see the IP address of my 770 Sep 14 03:08:05 connection manager's app menu has a way.. Sep 14 03:08:42 GeneralAntilles: This is a sentence. this is not a proper sentence. Sep 14 03:08:43 got it - thanks! Sep 14 03:09:07 I didn't bother to proof it Sep 14 03:09:36 It is available for Linux and OS X (OS X users can only use flasher-2.0, but it will work the same as flasher-3.0) from here Sep 14 03:09:43 using "here" sucks Sep 14 03:09:58 for Linux and OS X (...). Sep 14 03:10:26 It say "Unable to connect to VNC server" and "vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: No route to host Sep 14 03:10:58 GeneralAntilles: err.. the instructions for flashing say not to plug the device into power Sep 14 03:11:00 that's my weird network setup again right? Sep 14 03:11:03 the risk is that its state is wrong Sep 14 03:11:14 or that it loses power when you trip on the cable Sep 14 03:11:28 Well, you're fine to plug it into power after it's in flashing-mode. Sep 14 03:11:32 Oh? Sep 14 03:12:06 that's the general theory Sep 14 03:12:12 i haven't checked w/ the people who work on it Sep 14 03:12:30 i do know that the windows flasher goes to extremes to tell you *not* to leave it plugged in while flashing Sep 14 03:12:33 Oh well, whatever, I've removed it. Sep 14 03:12:46 and most flasher things say very clearly "don't remove power while flashing" Sep 14 03:12:58 for laptops that means "charge first and remove cables" Sep 14 03:13:22 unless you're clear on what you're doing. Sep 14 03:13:25 'clear' is a bad word Sep 14 03:13:26 what's the latest os the 770 can be upgraded to? Sep 14 03:13:31 Man the quality has gone to shit with the new MX Revolutions. . . . Sep 14 03:13:35 it's from some specific slang, i don't know which Sep 14 03:13:45 mdg: you can get a 2007 or a 2008 Sep 14 03:13:58 all of 2006, 2007, and 2008 have strange support terms :) Sep 14 03:14:09 re, all Sep 14 03:14:22 I tried to flash through MInt - what a nightmare, tried through windows and it refused to find the file Sep 14 03:14:54 does anyone know what the largest miniSD card the latest firmware supports? is the limit still at 8GB? Sep 14 03:14:57 [edit] flasher-3.0 Sep 14 03:14:57 All of the options for flasher-3.0 Sep 14 03:15:10 fiasco-flasher Sep 14 03:15:10 All of the options for fiasco-flasher. Sep 14 03:15:25 GeneralAntilles: the line 'All of' is useless and inconsistently punctuated Sep 14 03:15:32 save time and remove the line ;-) Sep 14 03:16:11 Done Sep 14 03:16:24 it's 6am Sep 14 03:16:39 If vncviewer does not connect then will SSH work? Sep 14 03:18:56 "At the sound of the tone, the time will be . . ." Sep 14 03:20:27 6:21am Sep 14 03:21:08 how do you turn off X11vnc? Sep 14 03:21:28 Run it from the menu again. Sep 14 03:21:44 oh! Sep 14 03:24:25 hm. I thought micro sdhc cards came in 16 and 32 GB capacities, but I can't find anyone who actually sells them. =:/ does anyone know if the N810 with the latest Maemo firmware will support something higher than 8gb? Sep 14 03:24:43 Yes Sep 14 03:24:50 Hardware limit is 2048GB Sep 14 03:25:08 WOW! Sep 14 03:25:16 SDHC is supposedly limited to 32GB at the moment Sep 14 03:25:22 the 8gb limit was because that's all that was available for testing Sep 14 03:25:25 but I think that's a FAT limitation or something, I'm not clear on the details. Sep 14 03:25:43 fat16 or fat32? Sep 14 03:26:05 Right, Nokia didn't have anything higher to test with, so they can't really officially state that it'll work if they haven't tested it, but it'll work fine. Sep 14 03:26:09 GeneralAntilles: so if I can find a 12GB sdhc card, it should work in the n810? Sep 14 03:26:20 i'd sue someone for selling a 12g card :) Sep 14 03:26:21 oh, and do you have to format it as fat32? or would xfs work? Sep 14 03:26:33 * timelyx doesn't think maemo supports xfs :) Sep 14 03:26:33 Depends on how you want to use it Sep 14 03:26:34 timelyx: what do you mean? Sep 14 03:26:40 12 isn't a power of 2 Sep 14 03:26:43 Options are: FAT32, ext2, ext3. Sep 14 03:26:46 it'd be insane to try to create such a card Sep 14 03:26:55 6 and 12GB cards exist Sep 14 03:26:59 really? Sep 14 03:27:00 gah Sep 14 03:27:03 why!? Sep 14 03:27:07 why not? Sep 14 03:27:09 http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/08/ces_sandisk_12gb/ Sep 14 03:27:17 timelyx: http://www.gadgetvenue.com/12gb-sandisk-micro-sdhc-01102749/ Sep 14 03:27:28 3 4gb cards in parallel Sep 14 03:27:40 4 4gb cards in raid5 Sep 14 03:27:44 FTW Sep 14 03:27:59 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SD_.28non-SDHC.29_cards_with_greater_than_1_GB_capacity Sep 14 03:28:19 GeneralAntilles: have you had any experience with > 8gb cards in an n810? Sep 14 03:28:28 I don't own an N810 Sep 14 03:28:33 But I have used 16GB cards in an N800. Sep 14 03:28:54 16GB - are you storing videos? Sep 14 03:28:56 GeneralAntilles: no problems? Sep 14 03:28:56 anyway fat16 had a 4g limit and fat32's limit isn't really reachable Sep 14 03:29:07 vanRijn, like I said before, it'll work fine. Sep 14 03:29:21 timelyx: I don't have any windows machines.. all Linux... so I have no interest in using FAT at all. =:) Sep 14 03:29:29 vanRijn: whatever Sep 14 03:29:34 ext3 sucks Sep 14 03:29:37 GeneralAntilles: heh. okay. thanks for clarifying. =:) Sep 14 03:29:38 I use fat to cook my fries Sep 14 03:29:43 Proteous: lol Sep 14 03:29:51 mdg, movies, music, ebooks, maps, other operating systems. Sep 14 03:29:57 Proteous: how's that work for you? Sep 14 03:29:59 Lots and lots of space-eating things. Sep 14 03:30:05 very good, nice and crunchy Sep 14 03:30:07 other operating systems? Sep 14 03:30:25 os x :) Sep 14 03:30:33 Deblet, a backup of OS2008, another OS2008 with KDE Sep 14 03:30:40 oh, and are there any free gps apps coming so I don't have to fork over money for wayfinder? i'd really like turn-by-turn, talking sweetness. =:D Sep 14 03:30:50 ~musthaves Sep 14 03:30:54 ~must-haves Sep 14 03:30:56 ~must-have Sep 14 03:30:58 ~musthave Sep 14 03:30:59 somebody said musthave was Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects Sep 14 03:31:02 Woo Sep 14 03:31:05 Maemo Mapper Sep 14 03:31:07 hah Sep 14 03:31:08 oh Sep 14 03:31:10 sweet Sep 14 03:31:26 or Roadmap if you're into vector maps. Sep 14 03:31:29 I dont' know what maemo mapper is? Sep 14 03:31:30 Though it isn't as polished. Sep 14 03:32:02 I still haven't gotten around to writing a wiki article on it. . . . Sep 14 03:32:05 http://gnuite.com/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ Sep 14 03:33:01 oh map program! Sep 14 03:34:05 I can't get networking, I don't think maemo mapper is gonna help me find anything! LOL Sep 14 03:34:18 No networking? Sep 14 03:34:52 Oh wifi yes - I can get on the net via my wifi router, but the VNC stuff - not working Sep 14 03:35:36 2 wired linux mint, 1 wireless linux mint and 2 win XP (ick) Sep 14 03:36:03 and now 770 because I sold my 333 Mhz laptop Sep 14 03:36:34 Oh, and I G4 iMac (wired) Sep 14 03:36:50 GeneralAntilles: could you please yell at the last commenter in 3705 Sep 14 03:39:04 Bugzilla doesn't want to load Sep 14 03:39:13 heh Sep 14 03:39:33 I probably don't feel like getting involved, anyway. Sep 14 03:39:53 I'll make andre handle it instead. Sep 14 03:40:32 ok Sep 14 03:40:43 Can I ask, what is the red line across the chart area that keeps showing up in X-chat? Sep 14 03:40:59 shows you what you last saw Sep 14 03:40:59 sorry chat area Sep 14 03:41:05 to help you catch up Sep 14 03:41:13 oh! Sep 14 03:41:46 You can't tell I'm new to this can you? LOL Sep 14 03:41:55 * timelyx shrugs Sep 14 03:41:57 i asked too Sep 14 03:42:09 It's not the most clearly intuitive thing in the world. Sep 14 03:42:22 Useful once you figure it out, though. Sep 14 03:42:34 right Sep 14 03:43:06 Can I ask a hypthetical VNC question/ Sep 14 03:43:16 please excuse my spelling Sep 14 03:44:24 only me and my 770 and one other person with a wifi enabled laptop - but no other wifi around - we would both pickup wifi from each other? Sep 14 03:52:20 read a post on Ubuntu forums about 770's and 800's running a version of Ubuntu? Sep 14 03:52:36 goodluckwiththat Sep 14 03:52:42 It's not exactly easy to set up. ;) Sep 14 03:52:59 I though Ubuntu Mobile Edition was only for x86 Sep 14 03:53:39 It's not the Mobile edition Sep 14 03:53:39 http://mojo.handhelds.org/ Sep 14 03:53:47 I'm not having any luck with anything Sep 14 03:54:02 The 770 is old Sep 14 03:54:33 I know, but my pockets are going to be empty for a while Sep 14 03:55:03 so no one uses them anymore? Sep 14 03:55:52 Nah, some people do Sep 14 03:55:57 but it's not well supported anymore. Sep 14 03:57:21 so basically light websurfing, email, look at pictures and listen to mp3s? Oh and a game or two Sep 14 03:58:50 it would be nice if I could also have it be able to send web pages I find to the printer - but again the networking stuff Sep 14 04:00:30 what do you all use for networking your linux computers? Linneighborhood? Just Samba? Sep 14 04:02:22 mdg: network file sharing, you mean? I use NFS. Sep 14 04:04:45 okay. Thanks everyone for the help! I'll go find a networking chat and torture them for a while :) LOL Sep 14 04:04:52 Night all Sep 14 04:10:47 night Sep 14 04:15:17 hey, thought I would pop back in to tell you I finally got VNC working - right now I am viewing my desktop on my 770! Sep 14 04:17:01 Thank you everyone for all the great help! Finally, something works! Sep 14 04:17:08 Night all! Sep 14 04:25:46 Thanks, he is already installing Xcode from dmg file Sep 14 04:25:59 ehhm, wrong channel >_> Sep 14 05:34:25 someonee makes me read Sep 14 06:35:55 hi. anyone using eclipse and esbox for maemo dev here? Sep 14 06:53:31 * RST38h throws up at the mention of Eclipse Sep 14 06:54:10 Morning StsN800 Sep 14 06:54:17 * qwerty12 passes RST38h a bucket Sep 14 06:54:28 thanks and good morning =) Sep 14 06:55:09 Hehe, good morning RST38h Sep 14 06:55:36 ~curse ubuntu for not including squash lzma support as standard Sep 14 06:55:37 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ubuntu for not including squash lzma support as standard ! Sep 14 06:57:12 incidentally, module-assistant is some cool shit Sep 14 06:58:41 unlucky qwerty Sep 14 06:58:57 Hehe, it's a result of stealing internet :P Sep 14 06:58:57 morn qwerty12 Sep 14 06:58:58 GeneralAntilles: delisting colin doesn't make sense *quite* yet. Sep 14 06:59:30 qwerty: Don't they jail you for this in UK? =) Sep 14 06:59:41 Probably do Sep 14 07:00:10 * RST38h wanted to get a static IP address recently and was told to install VPN Sep 14 07:00:36 They are afraid that somebody will cut in and impersonate my IP address Sep 14 07:00:54 Over the *Ethernet*. Sep 14 07:18:54 Jaffa, OK, but how about after the next iPhone article? :P Sep 14 07:21:49 why is he comparing a phone to a nonphone device? Sep 14 07:22:38 people keep wishing n8x0 had gsm, sounds like they are wishing their phones did more Sep 14 07:23:11 I don't understand people who want to hold a brick like an internet tablet up to their ears. Sep 14 07:23:22 Or try to use Hildon for a phone. . . . Sep 14 07:24:20 the ideal phone would use a simplisic interface on their primary (small) display and a full-featured desktop on secondary display, like a projector or something like a paper roll which can be pulled out of its back :) Sep 14 07:24:31 I don't understand the knobs who won't just buy an iPhone if they are in love with it so much. Sep 14 07:24:45 lol Sep 14 07:25:24 oh my, qwerty12 upgraded his firmware Sep 14 07:26:10 I can't be bothered to change my nick even though it's right next to where I'm typing. Yes, I'm that lazy. :P Sep 14 07:26:30 ~lart ubuntu Sep 14 07:26:30 * infobot slams ubuntu against a large cement Tux Sep 14 07:26:57 thats perversion - slapping ubuntu with a tux Sep 14 07:27:27 What is perversion is the ubuntu people removing squashfs lzma from Hardy >.< Sep 14 07:28:00 I can understand them Sep 14 07:28:05 lzma sources are a big mess Sep 14 07:28:51 Alas, I need it though :(. module-assistant keeps building me modules with lzma symbols undefined which makes it useless :/ Sep 14 07:28:51 But for every person that starts comparing the tablet to an iPhone, point them to Aisu's iTablet and leave it there Sep 14 07:30:25 so thats what an iphone is? an app launcher? :) Sep 14 07:30:55 Perhaps not, but why not piss them off as they piss us off :) Sep 14 07:31:01 I'll buy that. Sep 14 07:49:22 qwerty13: They don't piss /me/ off (well, as long as it's an intelligent discussion about the advantages of a mainstream portable computing device with a niche one) Sep 14 07:52:08 Jaffa: To me, there is too much of these Tablets V iPhone discussions. I don't think I've ever read one where anything has been achieved. After all, Nokia aren't going to be rushing overnight to make the tablet iPhone like. To me, they are just a pointless waste of time Sep 14 07:52:34 shouldn't it be being compared to an ipod touch? Sep 14 07:55:13 yeah, thats more fair Sep 14 07:56:53 and looking at the price differences between touch models you see why there's no sd card slot offered, massive profits Sep 14 07:59:49 * Jaffa heads off on his Euro-roadtrip. Sep 14 07:59:57 See (some of) y'all next week. Sep 14 08:27:19 qwerty12, you know any intimacies of n80-s2ram? Sep 14 08:28:29 is the new wiki up and running? I just seem to get a blank page at http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page Sep 14 08:29:10 Reload Sep 14 08:29:33 Maybe force reload if it's in the cache. Sep 14 08:29:44 tried that a few times... Sep 14 08:31:09 Force reload Sep 14 08:31:18 add a shift or alt in there or something Sep 14 08:31:45 bingo. shift reload. thanks. Sep 14 08:39:04 qwerty12, you know any intimacies of n800-s2ram? Sep 14 08:39:28 StsN800: No, don't use it anymore because wakeup time is a little slow (for me anyway) Sep 14 08:39:45 k Sep 14 08:40:25 was wondering how it works technically but there is no src Sep 14 08:41:00 Yeah, I searched for that to no avail. You may have seen my sneaky request to put it in extras-devel ;) Sep 14 08:45:21 hmm. If I want to use the gnet libraries with OS2008 is it as simple as grabbing the source in scratchbox and building for both targets? Sep 14 08:52:23 did anyone compile a swsusp kernel btw? Sep 14 09:50:33 hey is xchat availavle for os2008? Sep 14 09:50:57 yes Sep 14 09:51:01 in extras. Sep 14 09:51:07 extras-devel Sep 14 09:51:31 oh thank u :) Sep 14 10:15:37 * Stskeeps groans over system building Sep 14 10:19:04 building new deblet structure over scenario "nokia gets run over by a bus" Sep 14 10:19:05 :P Sep 14 10:20:11 ~curse netgear Sep 14 10:20:12 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, netgear ! Sep 14 10:20:55 so if nokia decides to stop supporting devices, it's always possible to build a deblet system with a armel emulator Sep 14 10:21:06 heh, that's cool Sep 14 10:21:26 * qwerty12 imagines Stskeeps behind the wheel of a double decker Sep 14 10:22:00 Ha Sep 14 10:22:14 Filled with fertilizer? Sep 14 10:22:19 'run over' Sep 14 10:22:27 hehe Sep 14 10:28:59 now for compiling the deblet xomap with rotation support... on my tablet Sep 14 10:29:36 (or wait till my qemu armel box comes back up) Sep 14 10:30:09 qwerty12: you happen to know if rotation support was added to kernel btw permanently or it's still a patch? Sep 14 10:31:21 Stskeeps, you're asking whether it's in the official build? :P Sep 14 10:31:28 Pfft Sep 14 10:32:10 GAN800: yeah, basically Sep 14 10:32:44 and i assume that's as likely as pigs flying Sep 14 10:33:09 It may happen eventually, but not soon. Sep 14 11:00:21 Sts: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519 Sep 14 11:01:41 RST38h: no bugzilla account Sep 14 11:02:22 http:// Sep 14 11:02:33 and get one. . . . Sep 14 12:13:04 http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/09/hulger-pappa-skype.jpg Sep 14 12:13:34 dead tree skype phon Sep 14 12:13:35 e Sep 14 12:14:18 afternoon all Sep 14 12:14:38 Hey, lardman. Sep 14 12:15:08 Hi GeneralAntilles Sep 14 12:17:58 moo lardman Sep 14 12:21:17 hey RST38h Sep 14 12:21:28 anything exciting happen over the weekend? Sep 14 12:21:55 * lardman will have to bring a print out of his favourite maemo.org logo and pin it to his T-shirt Sep 14 12:24:24 lardman: well I figured out how to use fb0 Sep 14 12:24:48 lardman: VGBA now runs at pretty much the real GBA speed in full screen mode (720x480) Sep 14 12:25:22 it will slow down if there are too many GBA video features used, but is otherwise very close to the real thing Sep 14 12:35:39 hi there lardman \o Sep 14 12:35:56 oh, neat, ts calibration is possible under debian \o/ Sep 14 12:40:51 Stskeeps, is that using the standard debian module or have you dragged across a maemo modeule Sep 14 12:46:06 lcuk_busy: libts-bin, ts_calibrate - uses fb Sep 14 12:46:12 (debian) Sep 14 12:46:26 nice indeed Sep 14 12:46:37 are you comin to the summit? Sep 14 12:50:43 hi lcuk_busy, sorry got shoved off the computer for a bit there :) Sep 14 12:51:08 no complains si, everything going well i hope? Sep 14 12:51:18 t^ Sep 14 12:52:10 not bad, another busy weekend - wedding then a christening Sep 14 12:52:13 you? Sep 14 12:52:47 extremely busy, didnt think i would get the bit i wanted in place and spent a week faffing with a direction ive had to rollback on for now Sep 14 12:52:50 lcuk_busy: nop - think i'd be a little out of place with my deblet stuff :) Sep 14 12:52:53 * lardman is just wondering if he can get to Berlin with just hand luggage Sep 14 12:53:12 Was Jaffa coming by train? Did you see the channel tunnel fire news? Sep 14 12:53:14 Stskeeps, its an eco system - come to the next one Sep 14 12:53:25 yer i did, its thrown everything off Sep 14 12:53:35 he said he was driving around numerous places Sep 14 12:53:42 not sure if he got a ferry though Sep 14 12:53:48 ok Sep 14 12:53:56 lcuk_busy: *nod* i was thinking about coming but my gf's expatriation to berlin (traineeship) got moved a month so Sep 14 12:57:38 lardman, hes getting into germany via train, just greppin maemo.log to see if i can find the rest Sep 14 12:59:06 lardman, when are you arriving Sep 14 12:59:12 um Sep 14 12:59:16 thursday evening Sep 14 12:59:54 heh, ill be there thursday dinner - hopefully by the time you arrive ill know where more are heading Sep 14 13:01:20 I swear this is a dupe: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3709 Sep 14 13:02:20 lcuk_busy: cool, where are you staying? Sep 14 13:03:04 at some hotel about 40million lightyears away, by the time the linuxtag payment was sorted and our financials were dealt with here everywhere was full Sep 14 13:04:16 so you were hoping for a blackhole to drift over from cern to get to the venue a bit quicker then? Sep 14 13:04:45 not just hoping, it happened http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html Sep 14 13:05:27 Comment #1: http://www.mulliner.org/blog/blosxom.cgi/n770/iphone3gvsn810.writeback Sep 14 13:05:29 That's classic Sep 14 13:05:38 lol Sep 14 13:06:33 and to follow it up, the song which i thought of when lhc went live Sep 14 13:06:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthZgszykLs Sep 14 13:06:58 "this was a triumph, im making a note here, huge success." Sep 14 13:07:24 i really expected to hear the song on the real news Sep 14 13:08:23 Portal? Psh Sep 14 13:08:28 It's Half-Life all the way. Sep 14 13:08:48 well yeah, when gordon gets his hands on the gun all bets are off Sep 14 13:08:54 did you play the hacked up version? Sep 14 13:09:02 ie portal gun in hl2 Sep 14 13:09:20 I didn't play on a PC Sep 14 13:09:26 Steam can go die in a fire. Sep 14 13:09:32 its for mac and xbox isnt it? Sep 14 13:09:40 Steam? For Mac? Sep 14 13:09:41 Hahahaha Sep 14 13:09:42 Clever Sep 14 13:09:53 it works with wine then Sep 14 13:10:02 Valve hates OS X Sep 14 13:10:13 Wine is for Linux Sep 14 13:10:17 i was sure it was out for mac, ahhh welll you miss out on the single greatest single user series Sep 14 13:10:29 I played Orange Box on the 360. Sep 14 13:10:41 its not the same on a console Sep 14 13:10:47 Don't have to install any stupid DRM bullshit on my computer. Sep 14 13:10:50 It's the exact same content Sep 14 13:11:02 cos you bought the stupid computer with the drm already in Sep 14 13:11:16 "hello shopkeeper, can i have 3lbs of drm bullshit please" Sep 14 13:11:20 "certainly, bend over" Sep 14 13:11:41 Last time I checked, I didn't have to dial in to the mothership to use my OS. ;) Sep 14 13:11:53 congrats GeneralAntilles Sep 14 13:12:18 Goddamnit Sep 14 13:12:33 Do I at least get a cool shirt or something? Sep 14 13:12:35 How about a mousepad? Sep 14 13:12:56 Official CIC sticker Sep 14 13:13:24 get the man a gavel Sep 14 13:13:44 Can it be one of those kids toy gavels that squeak? Sep 14 13:14:18 Damn! Sep 14 13:14:18 Probably wouldn't be allowed to take a wooden one on an aeroplane, so yes Sep 14 13:14:19 no, this is serious business Sep 14 13:14:20 http://www.supercoolstuff.com/items/misc/pics/NV1337.jpg Sep 14 13:14:22 Those are hammers. Sep 14 13:14:55 Well, at least this now gives me free reign to chase your asses down when I need a response on something. ;) Sep 14 13:14:58 they look more like lexx, which looks more other things Sep 14 13:15:51 A giant dragon fly? Sep 14 13:17:05 I like tim's outline: https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council Sep 14 13:17:59 can you make irc have a starred nickname and an automatic footnote when you are in the chan? Sep 14 13:18:30 GeneralAntilles: you got elected chair? Sep 14 13:18:53 Stskeeps, yeah, they'll soon learn to regret it, though. ;) Sep 14 13:19:03 GeneralAntilles: i was just about to say ;> Sep 14 13:19:05 GeneralVader Sep 14 13:19:07 Indeed, /me wonders what he's done! ;) Sep 14 13:19:38 I'm gonna have X-Fade setup an autodialer at the ISP. Sep 14 13:19:54 It's gonna call you and recite emails at you whenever I send them to -community. Sep 14 13:20:23 would any of you be interested in an account on a debian armel qemu buildbox btw? i'm setting one up atm Sep 14 13:20:35 GeneralAntilles, im surprised you have not been weighing up cochlear implants Sep 14 13:20:41 for all council members Sep 14 13:20:59 some remote electic shock pads more likely ;) Sep 14 13:21:04 keep us in line :) Sep 14 13:21:13 I might just adapt the maemo.org team neck-band tasers to send Morse code. Sep 14 13:21:18 whats this "us" - you are on the fluffin council Sep 14 13:21:24 * lcuk_busy runs Sep 14 13:21:29 and make sure those pads are connected to a midi sequencer Sep 14 13:21:53 lcuk_busy: yeah, well we're supposed to keep you lot in line, and the General keeps us in line :) Sep 14 13:22:03 thats good then Sep 14 13:22:06 * lcuk_busy gets popcorn Sep 14 13:22:08 Shit flows downhill. Sep 14 13:22:34 and the general has just eaten 5kgs of tacobells finest Sep 14 13:25:41 * lardman is bored of presentation writing Sep 14 13:25:43 Is it too much if I change my signature? :P Sep 14 13:26:03 GeneralAntilles: On ITT? Sep 14 13:26:08 Go for it :) Sep 14 13:26:23 Mailing list for now Sep 14 13:26:30 I haven't decided on itT yet. Sep 14 13:26:48 I don't want to have to behave over there just yet. . . . :( Sep 14 13:30:29 when i get to the summit with my laptop - do i do anything special to get it working on the projector - or will it be at some silly resolution or something? Sep 14 13:30:43 or do i just plug it in just like an external monitor? Sep 14 13:30:48 bring a spare goat Sep 14 13:30:51 You should be able to just plug it in. Sep 14 13:30:59 I can't guarantee anything with Windows, though. Sep 14 13:31:09 its ubuntu Sep 14 13:31:14 :) Sep 14 13:31:17 I hope we will have a pc setup for presentations so we won't have to replug the laptops Sep 14 13:31:28 it never works right out of the box Sep 14 13:31:45 housetier, :) hi again, i hope you get one as well Sep 14 13:32:00 one per projector Sep 14 13:32:23 we switch speakers but not the hardware Sep 14 13:32:38 did you get anywhere with an overhead closeup cam? Sep 14 13:33:29 Mount a webcam on an a-frame? Sep 14 13:33:37 we can mount the camera on a drill stand Sep 14 13:34:04 Even better Sep 14 13:34:13 7nice! thats the linux way - improvisation Sep 14 13:34:14 looks akward but is stable Sep 14 13:34:43 if you dont have a device to test with, just put your phone down and see if it can focus on the screen Sep 14 13:34:55 i normally ended up using the macro mode on my camera to get it in focus Sep 14 13:35:39 * GeneralAntilles isn't feeling very inspired for an announcement. Sep 14 13:39:09 hi, I created a DUMMY network in diablo, but it doesn't show up, when I scan for networks - what could be the problem? Sep 14 13:39:19 jonek, did you read the bug? Sep 14 13:39:23 ~bluetooth-pan Sep 14 13:39:24 it has been said that bluetooth-pan is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN Sep 14 13:39:31 Actually, that has the same details. Sep 14 13:40:56 yes I have seen that bug, but from what I understand that is only a problem when using PAN with a mobile. I want to use PAN networking via my desktop computer and I managed to get it working yesterday Sep 14 13:41:15 but today a simple DUMMY doesn't show up again Sep 14 13:41:20 You misunderstood Sep 14 13:41:28 oh Sep 14 13:41:29 It doesn't have anything to do with what you're using it with. Sep 14 13:41:45 You need a working DUMMY module to see the network from the connection list. Sep 14 13:41:53 I know Sep 14 13:41:53 * lcuk fell out Sep 14 13:42:00 Which should be solved by installing the latest maemo-pan. Sep 14 13:42:37 *hu*? waht does maemo-pan have to do with DUMMY networks? Sep 14 13:42:54 PAN connectivity is achieved through the GUI through a DUMMY network. Sep 14 13:43:07 yes Sep 14 13:43:17 Hrm, bergie for the voting software, dneary for coordination, Jaffa for the idea, who am I forgetting to thank? Sep 14 13:43:44 but I use tablets for a long time and DUMMY networks have never been a problem till I updated to diablo recently Sep 14 13:44:04 Right, it's a bug in Diablo. Sep 14 13:44:12 ~bluetooth-pan Sep 14 13:44:13 it has been said that bluetooth-pan is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN Sep 14 13:44:14 Read it. Sep 14 13:44:19 Then read the bug that's linked from it. Sep 14 13:44:23 ok thx Sep 14 13:51:11 * Jaffa has made it... all the way to Folkestone. Sep 14 13:52:19 Drive? Sep 14 13:53:12 Yup. Mother-in-law, Mrs Jaffa and Jaffa Jr. have gone out to see grandparents; notionally so I can work on my presentation. Sep 14 13:53:23 Hehe Sep 14 14:00:31 jaffa, any problems traffic wise due to the chunnel closure? is it gonna be busier on the ferry Sep 14 14:00:51 * RST38h wonders if his tablet will survive this Sep 14 14:01:08 lol, Jaffa, you editing? Sep 14 14:01:17 All of a sudden the formatting changed drastically Sep 14 14:01:20 freaked me out Sep 14 14:01:30 lcuk: M20 was clear all the way down. Tunnel's still closed to prviate traffic so ferry's *will* be busier. Pre-booked ferry tickets are being guaranteed, though. We're also going Dover -> Dunkirk rather than -> Calais Sep 14 14:01:56 GeneralAntilles: all I did was remove a superfluous "d" from "involve" in the last line. I noticed the sudden jump too - thought it was you ;-) Sep 14 14:02:05 Nope, weird. Sep 14 14:02:17 fair enough, me n simon were a big concerned earlier - couldnt remember how you were plannin to go :) thankfully i dug in the logs and found your roadtrip plans :P Sep 14 14:02:38 hi Jaffa Sep 14 14:03:55 how can i get an openoffice presentation displaying videos? Sep 14 14:04:13 * lardman_ heads out to do some food shopping Sep 14 14:04:47 lardman|out, its not really "shopping" if you ask the butcher for 12lbs of bacon Sep 14 14:04:50 Anybody know how to do links in midgard? Sep 14 14:04:53 Just normal HTML? Sep 14 14:05:14 lcuk: need bread too to make the sandwiches :p Sep 14 14:05:15 bbl Sep 14 14:05:34 lol Sep 14 14:06:06 Mmm bacon Sep 14 14:06:17 I had too much fatty food to eat yesterday Sep 14 14:06:29 Bacon in the morning, left over fried chicken for lunch and a burger for dinner. Sep 14 14:07:07 lcuk: I dunno how to do videos, I know I'm fiddling with it to get the right layout. Almost would prefer PowerPoint. Sep 14 14:07:10 \@/ right, bbiab i have to ring the missus - tell her to get bacon Sep 14 14:07:34 PowerPoint may suck, but at least it's predictable. Sep 14 14:07:52 well i really dont need a projector cos everything i do is live, but as a backup i need a few short videos and would want em controlled by presentation software Sep 14 14:08:03 need a presentation^ Sep 14 14:09:49 lcuk: Live demo of tablet-encode and mediaserv, I think. But demoing mud's a bit tricky Sep 14 14:14:30 Alright, Jaffa, check that over. Sep 14 14:15:39 what are you editing? top secret evil overlord wiki document? Sep 14 14:15:47 yes Sep 14 14:15:59 heh Sep 14 14:16:01

What are we going to tonight, Brain?

Sep 14 14:16:58 First announcement for the blog. Sep 14 14:17:08 top banana Sep 14 14:18:57 GeneralAntilles: made a few minor punctuation changes, otherwise looks fine. Sep 14 14:19:30 Alright, submitting. Sep 14 14:19:42 Ideas for a title? Sep 14 14:19:51 "Hello and welcome from the new Maemo Community Council!" sounds a little lame Sep 14 14:22:24 s/and welcome// sounds a bit better Sep 14 14:22:29 "BOW DOWN BEFORE US" Sep 14 14:22:38 "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!" Sep 14 14:22:41 *cough* Sep 14 14:22:43 lol Sep 14 14:22:49 GeneralAntilles: "Introducing the new ..." ? Sep 14 14:22:58 "all your base are belong to us" Sep 14 14:23:00 Oh, should have a ref to the council talk at the summit Sep 14 14:23:28 hola Sep 14 14:24:04 "Introducing the new Maemo Community Council" Sep 14 14:24:07 Hi, lopz. Sep 14 14:24:15 im glad im still able to laugh, ive still got a mountain to climb if i want everything finished Sep 14 14:24:29 GeneralAntilles, what happened to the old maemo council Sep 14 14:24:40 We ate them. Sep 14 14:24:52 damn those bacon sprinkles Sep 14 14:24:58 they make anything edible Sep 14 14:25:48 another tour operator has gone bust - best pack extra pants - it might end up being a longer germany trip Sep 14 14:30:08 hey guys what's this new app sayhoo_0.0-test-20090912.1_all.deb ? Sep 14 14:30:45 GeneralAntilles: added a summit bit Sep 14 14:32:15 eurgh Sep 14 14:32:19 It's got no formatting. . . . Sep 14 14:33:32 sayhoo? Sep 14 14:34:14 oh i got it Sep 14 14:44:01 Man, midgard mutilates that thing when you hit submit Sep 14 14:47:29 I guess that's what you're submitting it to Sep 14 14:47:41 maybe it says in the fine print ;) Sep 14 14:49:10 Wish it had a preview. . . . Sep 14 14:51:26 Where's bergie to defend it? Sep 14 14:54:35 lol Sep 14 15:30:00 I wonder if we can get authors for the Council blog. . . . Sep 14 15:30:11 GeneralAntilles: would be good Sep 14 15:30:30 Hi, konttori. Sep 14 15:30:35 hi Sep 14 15:30:40 invent a time machine and get shakespeare to blog for you. that would be a coup Sep 14 15:31:54 Haaaaarrrrr Sep 14 15:33:01 Poor Tim is suffering. Sep 14 15:33:49 you think thats suffering? just wait until the mail system catches up and floods him with 3499282373 new mails by sending him the entire archive multiple times ;) Sep 14 15:34:07 heh Sep 14 15:38:15 GeneralAntilles, the blog authors thing, im quite certain its only available as "by riff-raff" or "by your esteemed, prestigious master of the realms Ryan "the guv'ner" Abel" Sep 14 15:38:32 lcuk: snappish (see -community ;-)) Sep 14 15:39:21 I wanna be Spaghetti Sep 14 15:39:29 jaffa, i know i read - the mailing list software doesnt like him Sep 14 15:40:29 Hmm, lot of people at the conference and going to be English speakers as primary language. Should probably avoid, therefore, the words "Maemoify" or "Maemoificate" (probably also trademark violations ;-)) Sep 14 15:40:41 s/and/aren't/ Sep 14 15:40:41 Jaffa meant: Hmm, lot of people at the conference aren't going to be English speakers as primary language. Should probably avoid, therefore, the words "Maemoify" or "Maemoificate" (probably also trademark violations ;-)) Sep 14 15:40:55 Ha Sep 14 15:41:09 "Bonasera . . . Bonasera . . ." Sep 14 15:45:21 maemoify: verb: (third-person singular simple present maemifies, present participle maemifying, simple past and past participle maemified) Sep 14 15:45:45 wiktionary it Sep 14 15:45:48 then it'll be official. Sep 14 15:47:04 maemify is not using the whole maemo thing - would it be allowed? Sep 14 15:47:34 heh Sep 14 16:06:33 Arse. Just remembered I was supposed to put the meat in the oven. I *was* going to put it in later, so it's less like the leather we usually have at my in-laws, but nearly 40 minutes late might be pushing it. Sep 14 16:56:45 GeneralAntilles: hmm, new council post doesn't seem to have been syndicated to /news/ yet Sep 14 16:57:17 The RSS feed is listed in the Planet list Sep 14 16:57:24 Hasn't updated yet or something Sep 14 16:57:33 Fairy nuff Sep 14 16:57:58 Actually, I think I have admin access now and could probably fix it Sep 14 16:58:13 but asgard scared the pants off me when I poked around in there this morning. Sep 14 16:59:24 heh Sep 14 17:02:08 GeneralAntilles, you are important now, you shouldnt be poking anywhere, take an ensign with you (preferably one with a red maemo tshirt ;) Sep 14 17:02:51 Do I get to make it with the alien chicks? Sep 14 17:03:01 only the green ones Sep 14 17:03:24 /nick GeneralAntilles CaptainJaneway <---- that's more like it ;-) Sep 14 17:03:33 or those lacking in common sense and having low moral fibre Sep 14 17:03:38 PMSL! Sep 14 17:03:38 Ha Sep 14 17:03:57 I've been rewatching Voyager, too. . . . Sep 14 17:04:18 you know how well the maemo ship is runnin by how perfect his hair looks Sep 14 17:04:18 Staple of my childhood that. Sep 14 17:04:30 you know you are in for a shit day when it looks like windy wednesday Sep 14 17:06:10 Childhood? Eek, I feel old. *TNG* was the staple of my childhood. Sep 14 17:06:48 thank god you arent a fossil ;) my mum likes to tell me stories from tos Sep 14 17:07:46 REwatching voyager? what's wrong with your brain? Sep 14 17:08:02 Frasier and Voyager, that was middle school. Sep 14 17:08:21 * Jaffa has seen one or two recently; weren't *that* bad first time round, second time a bit meh Sep 14 17:08:29 mavhc, maybe nastalgia Sep 14 17:08:36 * Jaffa 's been rewatching Frasiers PVRed off C4 in a morning Sep 14 17:08:41 I like them, though. Sep 14 17:08:49 is that nasty things from your childhood? Sep 14 17:09:06 heh Sep 14 17:09:35 Better than the new Enterprise, anyway. Sep 14 17:10:25 enterprise only exists to make voyager look like shakespeare in comparison Sep 14 17:11:01 * GAN800 is really not a Star Trek geek. Sep 14 17:11:16 As you might guess by my nick. ;) Sep 14 17:11:55 we might be able to if we were a *blank* geek Sep 14 17:13:03 * GeneralAntilles . Sep 14 17:13:06 ^ that guy Sep 14 17:13:17 Last season of Enterprise wasn't too bad. Sep 14 17:13:35 compared with good shows, or the previous 3 seasons? Sep 14 17:13:40 It's too bad the writing was so terrible. Sep 14 17:13:49 The cast wasn't bad Sep 14 17:14:02 effects were pretty and the sets were well made Sep 14 17:14:12 had no money left for writers Sep 14 17:14:36 But then they had to go and do decontamination room sex scenes with the Vulcan Sep 14 17:15:01 I liked it when the changed the theme song, yeah, because that's the main problem with the show Sep 14 17:15:11 and the name Sep 14 17:15:13 mavhc: in comparison with the previous 3 seasons Sep 14 17:15:32 exactly Sep 14 17:15:37 Joy: my Map app's started segfaulting now I've put the german maps on it Sep 14 17:17:09 At start or in use? Sep 14 17:20:04 Startup. Window opens, then closes. Sep 14 17:20:17 Map database is corrupt Sep 14 17:20:22 Grr Sep 14 17:20:25 Delete it from mmc2 and redownload Sep 14 17:21:17 It has such sadly reproducible bugs that even somebody who hasn't used the damn thing for more than 5 minutes can diagnose them. . . . Sep 14 17:21:49 Amazed that they expect anyone to pay for such a piece of shit. Sep 14 17:22:08 Yeah, it's fairly impressive. Sep 14 17:22:17 The wonders of contract work, I guess. Sep 14 17:23:18 Just be glad the Euro maps don't total out over 700MB. ;) Sep 14 17:23:47 Eugh, /media/mmc2's gone read only fs. Looks like a brand new corruption Sep 14 17:23:58 Ha Sep 14 17:24:05 FAT needs to die. Sep 14 17:24:37 noooooo Sep 14 17:24:42 fat is tasty Sep 14 17:25:04 it's geneticly breed into us Sep 14 17:25:16 goos energy source Sep 14 17:25:17 Proteous now officially joins lcuk as the new channel fatty. Sep 14 17:25:22 er, good Sep 14 17:25:50 pardon? Sep 14 17:25:51 I said I like eating fat, not that I am fat Sep 14 17:25:58 Ahaha Sep 14 17:26:07 * lcuk is skinny Sep 14 17:26:19 You don't need to be fat to be a fatty. Sep 14 17:26:21 * lcuk is also stressed Sep 14 17:26:27 heh Sep 14 17:27:07 i just found out that images are not being put through the cliprect mangler - so they are escaping their boundaries and drawing all over stuff i need them not to Sep 14 17:27:12 * Proteous reminds lcuk about his deadlines to stress him more Sep 14 17:27:35 oh ive got enough to be comfortable, i just want the next stage in :) Sep 14 17:27:44 lcuk, just remember, if you don't deliver the liqbase goods, we take your bacon. Sep 14 17:27:51 noooooo Sep 14 17:27:57 so cruel Sep 14 17:27:58 * lcuk has plenty of bacon to give, believe me.. Sep 14 17:28:18 * lcuk laughs evily Sep 14 17:28:20 lcuk has all the bacon Sep 14 17:28:21 heh Sep 14 17:28:30 mk_style.c:87: ERROR : `imgknob' undeclared (first use in this function) Sep 14 17:28:35 balls Sep 14 17:28:47 all your bacon is belong to lcuk Sep 14 17:28:58 there is no way i am searching google for images of knobs Sep 14 17:29:10 but i need one! Sep 14 17:29:57 i want a nice shiny png knob Sep 14 17:30:29 damn knobgoblers Sep 14 17:31:13 lcuk: "dial control" turns up some promising ones Sep 14 17:31:26 Also, try sxc.hu and run it through Inkscape's trace bitmap feature Sep 14 17:31:31 heh - i just searched GIS and clicked "extra large". (i must have high quality large knobs) my confidence in GIS is so far holding up (barring a ocuple) Sep 14 17:31:46 how about "BIG KNOB OF DEATH" Sep 14 17:32:00 i wanted it throbbing initially Sep 14 17:32:08 ... Sep 14 17:32:16 but i couldnt bring myself to code it in Sep 14 17:33:13 Jaffa, its not a dial i want, its a knob for a slider - you have to be able to grab it and move it up and down Sep 14 17:33:44 ... Sep 14 17:34:16 lcuk: ah. draw one? Sep 14 17:34:30 ITS NOT MY FAULT THE TERMS HAVE BEEN MISUSED FOR OTHER THINGS! Sep 14 17:35:03 heh Sep 14 17:36:52 just loaded up reddit.com and the is a big bacon.reddit.com ad on the side Sep 14 17:37:16 now I am hungry Â:/ Sep 14 17:37:39 bacon.reddit is the site of perfection. i browse there lots and come away feeling hungry every single time Sep 14 17:37:49 its like a drug Sep 14 17:46:26 lcuk: enough! Sep 14 17:47:08 ;) Sep 14 17:49:41 sorry, just got roped into carving the pork joint, back later Sep 14 17:50:37 umgh Sep 14 17:51:42 lcuk: BTW, transfer-with-scaling screws up the desktop in window mode Sep 14 17:51:42 gah.. xserver-omap doesn't compile with standard debian packages ¤"¤ Sep 14 17:51:57 Don't try: you will have to reboot or ssh from outside to fix it somehow Sep 14 17:52:02 (it tells me after 7 hours of compiling.) Sep 14 17:54:55 RST38h, for me its fine, i just have to remember to lower the scaled resolution because the factors are a bit off and an 800*480 displayed scaled into a window looks like cack Sep 14 18:07:00 RST38h: you could switch to another vt. Sep 14 18:07:20 RST38h: just make sure you will return to the x11 vt when exiting (crashing :) Sep 14 18:08:42 I love the guys on itT to come in to tell everybody what terrible social skills they have when some idiot overreacts to a harmless comment. Sep 14 18:09:34 lcuk: My guess is you are using a different bit plane (YUV) Sep 14 18:10:02 GAN: Try Slashdot then! You will like it much MUCH more =) Sep 14 18:10:36 I only browse at -1 Sep 14 18:10:45 lcuk: 'cause it is a different device (fb1 or fb2) Sep 14 18:10:50 It's a whole different world. Sep 14 18:10:52 RST38h: or you could just do a full 1:1 blit on exit .. Sep 14 18:10:52 GAN800: since you talk about xorg and fremantle.. do you happen to know if they released any xorg package for this yet? Sep 14 18:11:07 Stskeeps, not a clue. Sep 14 18:11:14 GAN: Does not matter - their system of values is incompatible with normal humans anyway Sep 14 18:11:28 jott: It ismore complicated than that Sep 14 18:11:38 Ha Sep 14 18:11:45 RST38h: how so? Sep 14 18:12:11 jott: Looks like the scale factor is some persistent setting. Once you blit with scaling configured, it continues blitting the desktop imagery with the same setting Sep 14 18:12:30 GAN: Like somebody said, "Eager but *very* dull" Sep 14 18:12:56 jott: Going from full screen to windowed mode seems to kill that off though Sep 14 18:13:17 RST38h: ugh, yeah that's why i thought about switching vt :) Sep 14 18:13:51 jott: Yea, but how the hell do I switch vt on the tablet? =) Sep 14 18:13:57 Stskeeps: have you looked at freedesktop.org gits for omapfb support? Sep 14 18:14:00 RST38h: ioctl Sep 14 18:14:05 jott: Oh. Sep 14 18:14:12 jott: hmm, no, but i just found a hint that made me go in that direction Sep 14 18:14:22 * RST38h asked in terms of a key combination :) Sep 14 18:14:26 Stskeeps: yeah bugtracker :) Sep 14 18:14:49 RST38h: heh.. no you can do it via ioctl. don't know it on top of my head. but should be fairly simple to find out ;) Sep 14 18:15:15 jott: I decided to abstain from using this stuff in windowed mode for now Sep 14 18:15:20 RST38h: directfb uses this for example Sep 14 18:15:39 yeah in windowed mode this does not work out that well : Sep 14 18:15:43 jott: looks like more trouble than help... although may want to try 1:1 windowed blitting later tonight Sep 14 18:16:22 Stskeeps: just wondered if they push something upstream.. Sep 14 18:17:08 jott: i decided that after 7 hours in company with xserver-omap compilation, that there has to be a better way :P Sep 14 18:17:38 Stskeeps: heh. you could always use plain fb driver and loose some features :) Sep 14 18:17:51 and update speed :P Sep 14 18:19:10 http://www.linux.onarm.com/gitweb/?p=n8x0/source/xf86-video-fbdev-omap.git;a=summary looks interesting Sep 14 18:19:39 (non-nokia) Sep 14 18:22:18 it's only stubs still Sep 14 18:22:51 thought that would wake you :P Sep 14 18:23:12 yeah, looks very early in development ;) Sep 14 18:23:34 "somebody" should copy stuff from Xomap there.. Sep 14 18:25:30 xf86 for n8x0? Sep 14 18:25:42 X.Org Sep 14 18:25:51 xfree86 :) Sep 14 18:26:09 they should have dropped 86 long time ago... Sep 14 18:29:59 and while they are at it drop the x11 architecture? Sep 14 18:35:16 Damnit, tim wants photo and bio? <_< Sep 14 18:36:15 there goes the reelection? Sep 14 18:36:30 Hehe Sep 14 18:37:50 I've got, maybe, 3 pictures I might find acceptable in general, but none of them for a big projector behind a stage. Sep 14 18:39:35 GAN800: photoshop/gimp to the rescue? :) Sep 14 18:39:55 just steal someone's photo from imdb Sep 14 18:40:34 Probably not Sep 14 18:41:14 GAN800: http://lukoagency.free.fr/images/David%20Ankrum/David.jpg ? :P Sep 14 18:41:15 Maybe I should just go with the retarded dialation sun glasses pic and forget it. Sep 14 18:41:48 Hehe Sep 14 19:04:59 Somebody remind me why the profile uses "The company that hires you" instead of "Employer" Sep 14 19:06:38 Fives times as many words is five times as good. Sep 14 19:07:43 Clearly Sep 14 19:11:27 hi all. i need the Perl DBD::SQLite module for my n800 running Diablo. i've found DBI, but not yet the SQLite driver. Any suggestions? Sep 14 19:13:01 not on cpan? Sep 14 19:14:16 there's a dynamically loaded .so file, so would need a compiler Sep 14 19:15:21 Debian will make your life a lot easier. Sep 14 19:16:07 until you start writing packages, and then you want to stab yourself with your stylus Sep 14 19:16:47 Policy saves time in the long run, but yeah, not something to do for fun. Sep 14 19:18:52 jrayhawk: i've been using my weekend on converting deblet dpkg-deb --build'd packages into real debian packages.. and converting OSS maemo packages into Debian compatible ones Sep 14 19:19:16 right now i'm beating my head over how old some of these methods are, compared to new autoconf etc Sep 14 19:19:30 hee hee Sep 14 19:20:01 i swear, sometimes it does help being a bit autistic when dealing with this stuff :P Sep 14 19:22:38 meh "low priority getting dropbox to work on arm" Sep 14 19:22:38 Is there a long term-effort towards Debian repository compatibility for maemo? Sep 14 19:23:09 no, but i do one for the deblet project where it can't be avoided having to use -some- maemo packages Sep 14 19:23:14 I'm just noticing that there's a huge duplication of packaging effort around here Sep 14 19:23:25 also most maemo ports are hildonizations Sep 14 19:23:42 Yeah, but things like libraries and such. Sep 14 19:23:59 well, maybe fremantle helps things Sep 14 19:24:00 :P Sep 14 19:24:11 * Stskeeps decided to stop waiting and develop the debian platform instead Sep 14 19:25:04 as there's been leaps of usability the last months Sep 14 19:26:47 I'm currently debating with whether or not I want to continue the debian-chroot-on-maemo approach or if I should just give up and ditch maemo. It'd save me a lot of time if maemo were planning on just doing the right thing in 6-12 months anyway. Sep 14 19:27:25 we'll see after summit :P Sep 14 19:28:47 debian on tablets still need some more power saving stuff but atleast we aren't using extreme wifi power anymore Sep 14 19:28:59 .. and we're able to go into deep sleep Sep 14 19:29:03 But do you get wifi in Debian? And does it still run Maemo apps? Sep 14 19:29:21 I doubt hildon stuff would survive, no. Sep 14 19:29:23 RST38h: we have wifi Sep 14 19:29:42 RST38h: and i'm wondering if chroot maemo is possible ;) Sep 14 19:29:59 Ha ha ha, I could run all the hildon crap in Xephyr Sep 14 19:30:48 or just on another Xomap display :P Sep 14 19:34:11 sts: ! Sep 14 19:34:40 hey, don't badmouth hildon! Surprisingly, I think it is better than running desktop stuff on such a small screen Sep 14 19:35:01 i like hildon but i dont like the underlying system Sep 14 19:35:20 and hildon libs could have been done otherwise, making ports easier Sep 14 19:36:26 do you really want ports of linux stuff using 93% of your ram though? Sep 14 19:36:51 I've run Debian on systems with 32 megs. Sep 14 19:37:19 Trust me when I say that Nokia hardware is perfectly adequate for general purpose usage. Sep 14 19:38:04 mavhc: one of my pet peeves are the stuff in gtkmm for instance. that attributes on widgets are changed from set_some_name(key,value) to set_attribute(key, value) for instance.. that breaks 99% of all apps Sep 14 19:38:21 (not exact method names) Sep 14 19:38:24 Actually, given that I'd be ditching all of the resident Hildon stuff, I'd actually be saving memory. Sep 14 19:38:54 and i'm willing to bet that there's a preprocessor thing to take set_#(value) to set("#", value) Sep 14 19:39:37 * RST38h ran FreeBSD on a system with 8MB RAM. With X11. And compiled stuff there. Sep 14 19:39:48 Does not mean a thing: depends on the applications you are going to run Sep 14 19:40:10 That's the spirit. Sep 14 19:40:18 i miss my 50mhz machine with a yellow heart glued on it a girl gave me :P Sep 14 19:40:50 Is a 50MHz machine a gesture of love or a gesture of hatred? Sep 14 19:40:59 Well, spirit or no spirit, face it: you will not run FireFox on this machine. Or XChat. Or Gnumeric. Or GNOME. Sep 14 19:41:01 kernel compiles were a drag Sep 14 19:41:10 RST38h: Xchat runs.. :P Sep 14 19:41:28 Gnome is the only thing I'm seeing as having trouble, though even that would still fit. Sep 14 19:41:30 and is usable? =) Sep 14 19:41:55 if they'd make h-i-m work in some of their dialog boxes, sure Sep 14 19:41:56 GNOME *and* Firefox would probably be a swap-thrashing nightmare... Sep 14 19:42:03 jrayhawk: gnome was actually astonishingly quick on deblet Sep 14 19:42:20 ofcourse some of the apps associated were not Sep 14 19:42:25 but the ui itself Sep 14 19:43:37 it isn't a horridly slow machine we're dealing with :P Sep 14 19:44:30 Word. Sep 14 19:45:15 * Stskeeps plays around with his lxde install Sep 14 19:45:39 * Jaffa unspods for the second leg of his Euro roadtrip. Sep 14 19:45:49 just crappy apps written to expect 512MB of ram to be lying around so they don't need to optimise anything don't port well Sep 14 19:45:57 All to entertain the few; the huddled masses; the eager tabletistas Sep 14 19:46:35 Are you following Emdebian's attempts to allow for a customization of the base system, or are you making it up as you go? Sep 14 19:47:12 well, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet , http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages Sep 14 19:47:15 what i'm working on right now Sep 14 19:47:16 Emdebian is (IIRC) aiming for inclusion in mainline, so it might make your life easier Sep 14 19:47:29 it's a MMC install, not a flash install Sep 14 19:47:37 but with tablet optimizations Sep 14 19:47:51 people run KDE, GNOME, LXDE, Matchbox.. etc Sep 14 19:48:12 Not a flash install?! Wuss! Sep 14 19:48:51 there's angstrom, manona and stuff like that for people who want that Sep 14 19:49:05 Okay, I guess I have a plan, now, at least. Sep 14 19:49:12 for me, a mmc install is just fine as it is Sep 14 19:51:51 here is a question about morality, should I feel bad about logging into my neighbours unsecured wireless router and changing it's setting so it uses a different frequency range then the one I'm using? Sep 14 19:52:16 Proteous: well that you're saying it in a public channel which is logged.. Sep 14 19:52:22 hehe Sep 14 19:52:26 and comes up in google quite often :) Sep 14 19:52:32 * Proteous hears sirens outside Sep 14 19:52:40 * Proteous hears the front door being kicked in Sep 14 19:52:45 * Proteous hides under the bed Sep 14 19:52:59 I didn't say I did it Sep 14 19:53:08 just asked if I should feel bad Sep 14 19:53:24 I mean, who would do such a thing anyway Sep 14 19:53:29 someone with no morals Sep 14 19:53:50 and why not change your own frequency range? :P Sep 14 19:54:20 I tried that, thier router was set to hop to "clean" frequencys and it would always change to whatever I set my router too Sep 14 19:54:21 Proteous: what you should do is offer to secure it for them, you'll still know the password, so no other leechers can use it too Sep 14 19:54:29 first you need to put all your neighbours on channel 1 and channel 12 so that you've got the middle free for yourself Sep 14 19:54:52 heh Sep 14 19:55:14 jrayhawk: but anyway, if you're bored and want to spend time hacking solutions for running debian efficiently & power saving on the tablets, you're more than welcome to help out Sep 14 19:55:29 does 11n do all that stuff automatically, change power, move frequencies? Sep 14 19:55:36 Yeah, that's looking like the best solution, right now. Sep 14 20:07:14 Khertan: I just tested the cairoclock. Works perfectly. Thanks for putting it to extras! Sep 14 20:07:24 I also promoted it to extras proper. Sep 14 20:07:27 is there an imap client for the n810 that does threading n'stuff? Sep 14 20:08:54 n/m, apparently there are kdepim packages somewhere :) Sep 14 20:09:30 well, kmail isn't very usable yet :P Sep 14 20:12:06 mavhc, yes Sep 14 20:12:24 well, unless you turn that off Sep 14 20:12:42 like maybe on your neighbours router... Sep 14 20:13:05 if you were a totaly amoral person Sep 14 20:13:14 totaly not like anyone here Sep 14 20:13:31 no one here would even think of doing anything like that Sep 14 20:21:13 Mek: what about mailody? since I wanna use imap... Sep 14 20:21:37 I want I want I want, what about other people Sep 14 20:21:42 THINK OF THE CHILDREN Sep 14 20:21:57 hehe Sep 14 20:24:34 Chani: haven't tried that yet... although I somehow doubt it will work well since it requires akonadi which I think only has a mysql backend for now (at least it would require quite some disk space for all the dependencies :) ) Sep 14 20:26:06 oh. Sep 14 20:26:21 yeah, uhm, I'm gonna be wanting akonadi-using apps on my n810 Sep 14 20:26:30 pim is pretty much all I use it for, after all Sep 14 20:26:43 (if you include IM in pim) Sep 14 20:27:03 so how can we make that work? :) Sep 14 20:27:22 I might be completely wrong though. perhaps akonadi works very well... I don't think I have tried any akonadi based apps yet... Sep 14 20:27:23 why on .. earth does a pim storage service only have a mysql backend? Sep 14 20:29:53 because apparently both sqlite and mysql/embedded didn't support yet what the akonadi devs need (and why would they write more than 1 backend if it all is still in development) Sep 14 20:38:05 hmm... my mysql-server package is not even installable right now, I guess that is why akonadi-console didn't do anything :) Sep 14 20:48:05 Anybody knows how to find absolute coordinates of the hildonwindow client area??? Sep 14 20:59:24 Odd development question, could I make the 770 browser work over bluetooth instead of wifi? Sep 14 20:59:39 PAN or DUN? Sep 14 20:59:41 eg. pair it up with a computer which is running apache Sep 14 20:59:47 not for external internet Sep 14 21:00:16 Stskeeps: Huh what I'm not good at this :( Sep 14 21:00:46 Alystair: there's something like a personal area network thing for the 800/810 atleast, maybe it works for 770 too Sep 14 21:01:03 I want to make a custom kiosk app that works over a private BT channel, because I might be too lazy to create GUI in python :P Sep 14 21:01:22 I know html/js inside out, heh Sep 14 21:01:36 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-pan Sep 14 21:02:18 * Alystair tries it Sep 14 21:02:36 os2008 only though Sep 14 21:02:38 :P Sep 14 21:02:41 FFS. Sep 14 21:03:24 realistically all I need this damn 770 to do is connect over BT and use html/js for a point of sale system. I don't need any other magical functionality... could I use 2008HE for this? Is performance really bad? Sep 14 21:03:59 think so - no clue about performance Sep 14 21:04:11 don't have a 770 :P Sep 14 21:04:31 ok, other question then. Can the built-in browser be rotated in 2008? Sep 14 21:04:38 Eg. portrait instead of landscape. Sep 14 21:05:03 or any other 3rd party. Sep 14 21:05:07 in mine it can, but that has a special x server installed for that that i'm not sure 770 does have support for Sep 14 21:05:42 * Stskeeps watches Alystair explode Sep 14 21:05:48 haha Sep 14 21:06:12 I won't explode, just being impatient because I know "proper" point of sales systems would be huge :) Sep 14 21:07:12 ok, now for the most odd question ever. Do you know of any bluetooth vibrators similar to the ones in normal cellphones? Sep 14 21:07:26 no, but i'm sure there's a sex shop selling it Sep 14 21:07:29 (i'm not kidding.) Sep 14 21:07:38 in a restaurant environment I can't have tablets going "ding", there should be silent methods of communication Sep 14 21:07:45 argh I didn't mean it that way STS :) Sep 14 21:08:04 and i know, but i'm quite certain theres some techno pervert designing those Sep 14 21:08:05 :P Sep 14 21:10:13 hrm these could work http://www.netpcdirect.co.uk/bluetooth_vibrating_bracelet.php Sep 14 21:10:32 Hi! How do you edit an existing entry at maemo.org Downloads (e.g. for a new release)? Sep 14 21:10:35 Linux has native support for the PS2 trance vibrator, which works over USB with some wiring. Sep 14 21:10:38 why BT and not wifi btw? Sep 14 21:10:48 it seems like a much simpler solution Sep 14 21:11:01 it mainly comes down to security Sep 14 21:11:03 (as in, the connect over BT) Sep 14 21:11:08 use SSL .. Sep 14 21:11:08 :P Sep 14 21:11:15 :( Sep 14 21:11:21 and battery power? Sep 14 21:11:21 BT isn't a single bit more secure Sep 14 21:11:28 bluetooth is worse at that really Sep 14 21:11:43 How so? Sep 14 21:11:48 my n800 can stay at least over a day on wifi if it idles a lot Sep 14 21:11:54 Oh, in that regard. Sep 14 21:12:22 jrayhawk: pin code stuff vs highly protected WPA2 networks? :P Sep 14 21:12:35 with that and ssl, it's hard to get into Sep 14 21:12:43 hrm Sep 14 21:12:44 also bt distance is problematic Sep 14 21:12:56 WPA2, BT, and SSL all use the same key mechanisms. Sep 14 21:12:59 that is an advantage actually Sep 14 21:13:05 Well, SSL *can* use the same key mechanisms... Sep 14 21:13:16 why would you want the connection to work outside the pub? :) Sep 14 21:13:39 you can turn down transmitter power on wifi aps you know Sep 14 21:13:39 :P Sep 14 21:13:46 SSL's is actually more flexible, but not particularly different from a security standpoint, just an administration one. Sep 14 21:14:10 I like the idea of it working over BT because it's really unheard of and the chances of someone messing it up with their laptop is less likely Sep 14 21:14:38 WEP can be broken easily, and there any many sniffing apps out there for wifi already... Sep 14 21:14:39 Alystair: bluetooth dongles sending out noise? has happened :P Sep 14 21:14:51 Stskeeps is right. BT isn't 'more secure' than wifi Sep 14 21:15:55 both can be attacked physically using transmitters Sep 14 21:16:15 but it... it's more geeky, think of the cred D: Sep 14 21:16:35 thing is, you'd probably have to do more yourself to make BT as secure as wifi - and judging by your questions here you'd fail (no offence) Sep 14 21:16:54 How's that? Sep 14 21:17:20 none taken Sep 14 21:20:30 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/packages.txt <- and that was what my weekend went with Sep 14 21:21:45 so is there any trick that I can do on the 770 to rotate the browser into portrait? Sep 14 21:24:13 Not easily. There are means of doing so with xrandr, but hildon definitely won't like it and the xserver Sep 14 21:24:17 probably won't Sep 14 21:24:24 argh there is a cockatiel pressing enter for me Sep 14 21:24:28 screw you, cockatiel Sep 14 21:24:37 A parrot? Sep 14 21:25:09 yes i am babysitting it and it likes my keyboard Sep 14 21:25:30 Anybody here has submitted an app to maemo.org Downloads? Sep 14 21:25:50 so you'd need your own xserver and window manager Sep 14 21:26:13 ok Sep 14 21:26:32 it would probably be pretty trivial if you were using deblet Sep 14 21:26:43 (which isn't out for 770 just yet) Sep 14 21:26:53 oh Sep 14 21:26:57 but in some months i hope Sep 14 21:27:06 the ground work is there already Sep 14 21:27:17 well my requirements should be pretty easy. Kiosk style lock down, nice web browser in reverse portrait, wireless connectivity. Sep 14 21:27:45 reverse portrait meaning physical buttons at the bottom :) Sep 14 21:28:06 doable on an N8x0 >_> Sep 14 21:28:12 You can use a debian chroot system and xephyr Sep 14 21:28:49 rm_you: yeah except I don't want to shell out $200+ per device when a single restaurant requires at least 3 tablets that can be made "dumb resistant" Sep 14 21:29:00 the 770 is perfect :P Sep 14 21:29:06 heh Sep 14 21:29:19 Does nokia still produce them? Sep 14 21:29:31 out of curiosity Sep 14 21:29:46 no. Sep 14 21:29:47 i know you can rotate widgets... could you make a program with a rotated browser widget? >_> Sep 14 21:30:02 rotate widgets? Sep 14 21:30:09 like buttons, text, etc Sep 14 21:30:16 FBreader can be rotated! Sep 14 21:30:19 any GTK widget can be rotated IIRC Sep 14 21:30:26 fairly easily Sep 14 21:30:32 what about a gtk webkit widget? Sep 14 21:30:38 or whatever the GTK web component is called Sep 14 21:30:53 Alystair: i'd say gtkmozembed + debian chroot + xephyr could to the trick maybe .. or a webkit widget Sep 14 21:30:56 anyhow Sep 14 21:30:57 sleep time Sep 14 21:31:03 thanks for the help, have a good one Sep 14 21:31:18 rm_you, are you sure they can be rotated? Sep 14 21:31:28 fairly Sep 14 21:31:30 we do it in ABL Sep 14 21:31:43 we rotate text not the widget :) Sep 14 21:31:44 well, not a web widget Sep 14 21:31:45 cool Sep 14 21:31:51 do these devices have a video out signal? Sep 14 21:31:52 but, a web widget is just a widget Sep 14 21:31:53 * lcuk can rotate text Sep 14 21:32:01 ... Sep 14 21:32:02 hrm Sep 14 21:32:06 i have just had a nightmare evening :) Sep 14 21:32:06 does it only apply to text? Sep 14 21:32:17 well abl uses pango to rotate the text. Sep 14 21:32:28 rm_you, more specifically, just a specific caption on specific controls i would expect Sep 14 21:32:34 housetier: you wish :( - no. Sep 14 21:32:40 unless there was some lower level magic goin on Sep 14 21:33:00 jott, ok we'll improvise using the drill stand then Sep 14 21:33:48 now I only need my crew here on the space station, and a cheap print shop for t-shirts Sep 14 21:34:21 can i enlist half your crew to learn my software and expand it with the nits i need Sep 14 21:34:27 bits Sep 14 21:34:39 * lcuk has not a lot of coding time left and a lot of things to do Sep 14 21:34:50 if I get half of your crew as new members we could strike a deal Sep 14 21:35:14 hmmm Sep 14 21:35:19 i could spare one of the kids Sep 14 21:35:23 hehehe Sep 14 21:35:38 do you want the older more gobby one, or the younger one who wees a lot? Sep 14 21:35:46 and my crew is small and doesn't necessarily know how to hack Sep 14 21:36:17 whats "gobby"? Sep 14 21:36:25 can't find it at dict.cc Sep 14 21:36:30 answers back, thinks hes always right.. Sep 14 21:36:40 has to have the final word Sep 14 21:36:47 infact, hes just like his mum Sep 14 21:36:59 :D Sep 14 21:37:39 ah no that wouldn't work out, I like to have the final word myself Sep 14 21:37:45 always. Sep 14 21:37:49 no you don't Sep 14 21:37:50 * XTL just watched a scene in the Tripods he remembers seeing in the 80's Sep 14 21:38:50 at least my grid view is working again now Sep 14 21:42:51 ok, I am abandoning the idea of using hw blitting in windowed mode Sep 14 21:42:54 too screwy Sep 14 21:43:13 fullscreen mode is better for gaming anyway :) Sep 14 21:45:10 I wonder if there is a way to pair a macbook with the 770 and use it as an external keyboard? :P Sep 14 21:45:21 (for the 770) Sep 14 21:45:48 but if anyone can tell me how to get the absolute position of the client window area, I am willing to listen Sep 14 21:49:35 RST38h: XGetWindowProperty? Sep 14 21:52:18 or XGetGeometry? Sep 14 21:59:03 jott: nah Sep 14 21:59:12 mh: ( Sep 14 21:59:13 it is freaking GTK. it works differently Sep 14 22:00:31 haha maybe I could install Synergy on the 770? Sep 14 22:02:04 RST38h: aah in gtk. gdk_window_get_origin ? Sep 14 22:03:28 heh, i hadnt thought of that, ive just cleaned my 810 with a soft cloth and a small amount of wd40 :) i even cleaned my stylustip with the same wd40 cloth (really not loads) and it glides along now Sep 14 22:16:17 jott: it is more complicated Sep 14 22:16:39 jott: looks like I am getting position of the left upper corner - the title Sep 14 22:16:48 anyways, it is 2:17am, sleep time Sep 14 22:17:43 is there an maemo email client with gpg/pgp key management? Sep 14 22:23:19 reconnect Sep 14 22:23:31 gotta love when a window pops up while typing Sep 14 22:25:14 acydlord, my IDE kept trying to pop up and tell me about updates - it thought it was clever and would popup when it didnt have focus - but the bastard made me clicky anyway Sep 14 22:25:21 i hate blind dialogs Sep 14 22:29:21 indeed Sep 14 22:30:54 * brontide need to not procrastinate so much Sep 14 22:32:05 i find it odd that microsoft webcams are more compatible with linux than logitech webcams Sep 14 22:59:04 they do make a nice mouse as well Sep 14 23:01:59 anyone know if there is a repository that has hildon-initscripts 1.16-1? Sep 14 23:07:52 bah, (not surprisingly) the current maemo qt packages don't seem to include the mysql sql plugin :) Sep 14 23:10:33 mek, but mysql is available for maemo Sep 14 23:10:44 i think Sep 14 23:10:57 lcuk: is it, where? Sep 14 23:11:03 for now I built my own mysql packages... Sep 14 23:11:10 hang on though, got a more serious problem Sep 14 23:11:36 i just shutdown my machine (long press on power) then restarted and its telling me it cant do stuff cos of low memory Sep 14 23:11:41 it did not shutdown Sep 14 23:11:58 \@/ gah why is there no poweroff for this device Sep 14 23:12:10 pull the battery? :P Sep 14 23:12:30 thats what i normally do, but i try to trust when people tell me it shuts everything off Sep 14 23:13:18 the back is flimsy enough that you can bend it when pushing back into place Sep 14 23:13:30 lcuk: Unplug it and _then_ shut it down. Sep 14 23:13:48 but thats not even fully off from what i can gather Sep 14 23:13:51 It actually powers down as long as it's not on AC power. Sep 14 23:14:13 ill try that next time then, i did forget about it being on charge Sep 14 23:15:09 lcuk: Looked at any of the QR code stuff I checked in yet? Sep 14 23:15:19 no im mad busy with liqbase Sep 14 23:16:05 and all the other family stuff that happens Sep 14 23:16:47 hmm... squid@maemo.org is giving me an error that it can't reach 127.0.0.1 when I try to get to some page :) Sep 14 23:52:37 Is there a program to record on the NIT in vorbis? Sep 14 23:55:56 There's gstreamer... not sure if there's a dedicated program for it. Sep 14 23:56:06 Though I think latest ogg support is decode-only. Sep 14 23:57:16 lcuk: You in Berlin this week? Sep 14 23:57:24 yes Sep 14 23:57:47 Will be nice to put real face on people Sep 14 23:58:26 yeah it always is :) Sep 14 23:59:50 You will get done with liqbase in time for the 3d hardware to appear Sep 15 00:00:01 ;-) Sep 15 00:00:32 no hassle, the graphics dont concern me any longer, i think theres enough grunt in this existing device to do what i need Sep 15 00:01:50 obviously having more will be good, and can be used to great effect, but my time with this device has been extremely useful so far: ive learnt all about c again, ive grasped enough of linux to do things and im learning about multi platform code Sep 15 00:01:53 all pluses :) Sep 15 00:02:33 yes, one of the reason I've been doing my stuff in python is that it allows me to produce without going insane with SB and the like Sep 15 00:02:40 ;-) Sep 15 00:02:44 i dont use sb :) Sep 15 00:02:57 straight cross compile? Sep 15 00:02:58 native compilation on device Sep 15 00:03:11 ahhh... SD boot with the dev repos? Sep 15 00:03:36 no, standard plus required packages and an sd formatted to ext somethin or other Sep 15 00:04:22 http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1221436679198.jpg Sep 15 00:04:45 I'm hoping to catch the QEMU Maemo discussion so I might setup something like that without mucking up my n810 too much Sep 15 00:05:35 i would love to have an arm desktop Sep 15 00:06:16 * brontide doesn't have to think that hard to figure out which side crashanddie is on Sep 15 00:06:21 I guess the beagle-board is the closest to an arm desktop currently available? Sep 15 00:06:27 yer mek it is Sep 15 00:06:36 at $150 it's a real steal for the hardware hacker Sep 15 00:06:37 but its not really got the oob experience Sep 15 00:06:43 i dont want to hack it Sep 15 00:06:46 i just want to use it Sep 15 00:06:54 picky picky picky Sep 15 00:07:10 There were photos floating around with maemo on beagle board Sep 15 00:07:21 the beagle board lacks two things: serious connectivity (networking, bluetooth, whatever), and serious connectivity (I2C, RS232, etc) Sep 15 00:07:40 im not picky, just got more important things to do that i would prefer someone else to do Sep 15 00:07:51 eh? Sep 15 00:08:07 you want someone else to take care of your important stuff? Sep 15 00:08:08 prefer to pay someone Sep 15 00:08:22 * lcuk is dropping words now Sep 15 00:08:24 hmm Sep 15 00:08:28 heh :P Sep 15 00:08:32 i think im a bit overtired Sep 15 00:08:47 lcuk, Eli arriving tomorrow \o/ Sep 15 00:08:55 sleep is good... sometime I'll get around to it Sep 15 00:09:00 eli as in curvy and single? Sep 15 00:09:14 lcuk, Eli as the girl you saw a picture of Sep 15 00:09:26 exactly Sep 15 00:09:46 Is there a NIT conference happening soon? Sep 15 00:09:49 single, so and so... We'll see about that after the 2nd bottle :D Sep 15 00:09:54 m-c-, next week, lol Sep 15 00:10:17 lcuk, do you believe in God? Sep 15 00:10:41 * m-c- sees topic. Sep 15 00:11:00 Would be great if someone made their notes online Sep 15 00:11:14 ive not even made my notes offline Sep 15 00:11:15 lcuk, is that going to happen? Sep 15 00:11:20 infact, ive not even made my program offline Sep 15 00:11:27 hmm Sep 15 00:11:32 crashanddie, believing in god? Sep 15 00:11:37 haven't got time to finish what you wanted to finish then, I gather? Sep 15 00:11:46 crashanddie, ive been a bit delayed :) Sep 15 00:11:52 lcuk, aww Sep 15 00:12:22 its ok, i have plenty and can open plenty more up that ive sidelined for now Sep 15 00:12:53 :) Sep 15 00:12:53 lcuk, is streaming to the server working? Sep 15 00:13:13 Here's a topic for discussion next week ---> Ogg Support Sep 15 00:13:22 oh for fuck's sake Sep 15 00:14:05 crashanddie, You got something against that? Sep 15 00:14:26 Announcement to everyone: Please allow the OGG support to die graciously and without pain. You're not allowed to be raised from the dead 200 times unless you're called Michael Jackson Sep 15 00:14:52 OGG support will come when it will come. EOL Sep 15 00:15:03 i thought ogg support was stillborn Sep 15 00:15:12 what's wrong with ogg support? Sep 15 00:15:15 but moaning about OGG is one of the great pasttimes of linux enthusiasts Sep 15 00:15:25 or coming around the same time as duke nukem forever Sep 15 00:16:05 lcuk, You know what I like so much about Linux fundamentalists/fanboys? Sep 15 00:16:17 lcuk, they always miss the point. The miss every single time. Sep 15 00:16:22 lcuk, They could stick a shotgun up my arse and pull the trigger, they'd still miss. Sep 15 00:16:57 i think that says more about your goatse'esq arse than their aim Sep 15 00:17:04 * Mek hopes for crashanddie nobody brings his/her shotgun to the summit to test that theory :P Sep 15 00:17:19 Mek, won't be at the Summit Sep 15 00:17:31 :( Sep 15 00:17:38 yeah Sep 15 00:17:41 you said it buddy Sep 15 00:17:57 What is it that the fanboys miss? Sep 15 00:18:15 . Sep 15 00:18:30 thats a small target Sep 15 00:18:34 * lcuk zooms in Sep 15 00:18:37 o Sep 15 00:18:41 * lcuk gets closer Sep 15 00:18:45 O Sep 15 00:19:02 is that the object that's being pointed to with the shotgun? Sep 15 00:19:04 ( keep out! ) Sep 15 00:19:10 I am dying to know - each time I select a Ogg file in the file manager and have to scroll down three screens of programs to select Media Player - Ogg Sep 15 00:19:50 m-c-, you can do something most other linux folks do at some point in life: make your own media player. call it "a****" so it comes at the top of the list Sep 15 00:19:55 you have your niche :) Sep 15 00:21:04 #/bin/sh \ gst-launch playbin url="${1}" Sep 15 00:21:05 :Pp Sep 15 00:21:13 lcuk, can't zoom in anymore? Sep 15 00:21:27 _ Sep 15 00:21:27 / \ Sep 15 00:21:27 | | Sep 15 00:21:27 \ _ / Sep 15 00:21:30 ffs, i'm not google earth you know Sep 15 00:21:35 haha Sep 15 00:23:06 Hey, you know what, I bought the nokia internet tablet to play Ogg Vorbis podcasts. Sep 15 00:23:36 I wish there was a working latex compiler :( Sep 15 00:23:48 MakeGho, cant you just build one? Sep 15 00:24:43 m-c: have you installed mogg? Sep 15 00:24:51 lcuk, hit the zoom button again Sep 15 00:25:06 *clickety click* Sep 15 00:25:08 We are sorry, but we don't Sep 15 00:25:08 have imagery at this zoom Sep 15 00:25:08 level for this region. Sep 15 00:25:08 Try zooming out for a Sep 15 00:25:08 broader look. Sep 15 00:25:16 lcuk: hmm, I don't have a development environment set up and I doubt I would succeed in compiling the latex compiler Sep 15 00:25:16 :D Sep 15 00:25:18 Yes, and the integration is terrible - and it should be by default Sep 15 00:25:58 MakeGho, mention it more often then - post something on itT, someone might get a bit of inclination to do it if you start the ball rolling Sep 15 00:26:10 i gather you have searched google for a maemo package already Sep 15 00:26:35 yup, I've been searching. There's one for N800 but I think it's been reported not to work on N810 Sep 15 00:26:57 maybe it's some older os version it wants? I don't know much about these Sep 15 00:27:41 post something on itT and give links to the one you have found and if someone is nice they might compile it up and push it into extras Sep 15 00:27:46 With Firefox coming out with the next version supporting Ogg/Vorbis and Ogg/Theora -- seems like an important issue to discuss next week. Sep 15 00:28:10 m-c-, we will have to wait and see what next week brings Sep 15 00:28:23 im hoping to see lots of new stuff not grumble about what we dont have Sep 15 00:29:06 whoa, I guess I just found something that didn't grab my attention earlier. I'll have to try this one :) Sep 15 00:29:14 on error resume bacon Sep 15 00:29:27 http://flickr.com/photos/jadon/2295700120/ Sep 15 00:29:36 back tomorrow or something Sep 15 00:29:39 I'd love to have Java on my NIT Sep 15 00:29:43 crashanddie, have a good evening dude Sep 15 00:30:06 public void foo() throws (Bacon) Sep 15 00:30:08 WOW brontide Sep 15 00:30:39 i dont let coffee get anywhere near my NIT Sep 15 00:31:18 lcuk, 'night bro, good night Sep 15 00:31:30 don't ask me why I said night 2 times Sep 15 00:31:34 coffee? Sep 15 00:31:39 yer, java Sep 15 00:31:46 lol crash Sep 15 00:32:25 ahh, I woudn't mind more language binding, but let's get the C/C++ ones cleaned up and documented first Sep 15 00:40:36 * lcuk ties smackpotato to a lamppost Sep 15 00:40:56 Brrrr... looks like a cold week for me Sep 15 00:41:12 Berlin is listing highs in the low 60F this week Sep 15 00:41:48 whats the latest with the tablet Sep 15 00:42:10 it's small Sep 15 00:42:25 and fast Sep 15 00:42:56 and then came the dinosaurs Sep 15 00:42:59 good tablets arnt deprndent on size Sep 15 00:44:08 anyone travel alot with it Sep 15 00:44:37 mine hasnt left my recroom Sep 15 00:45:21 Mine is going to germany on Tuesday Sep 15 00:45:42 Travels several miles a day in my pocket walking to and from work Sep 15 00:45:45 cool Sep 15 00:46:17 do nyou track your path with the gps Sep 15 00:46:34 sometimes Sep 15 00:46:45 can i pre-download maps for germany now? Sep 15 00:46:52 standard map tool Sep 15 00:47:09 i was left out in the middle of the ocean last time i left the country Sep 15 00:47:11 Yep, germany/alps is ~300mb Sep 15 00:47:48 i can ummm remap the folder location to somewhere on mmc1 cant i Sep 15 00:48:02 neat import inspect;print inspect.getsource(function)... that will come in handy for the demo Sep 15 00:50:25 My only concern is getting it back into the country... with TSA you never know Sep 15 00:51:33 you should complain to your airline :) Sep 15 00:52:02 Delta... ha, I'll be lucky I don't get stuck in standing room only for the 9hr flight Sep 15 00:53:49 ive got to get a pasport ive been putting off filling out the forms Sep 15 01:50:07 on os2008.8-updates, I can manually get wpa_supplicant to work if i kill the dbus (-u) version and quickly start it manually with the correct options Sep 15 01:50:23 ooops, wrong window Sep 15 01:52:16 really? Sep 15 02:16:52 night Sep 15 02:21:01 * robink waits for lightmediascanner0-ogg to make it into the Diablo extras repository. Sep 15 02:42:52 Hey somehow I moved my icons to the right side of my screen how do i get them back Sep 15 02:45:49 err, what icons? Sep 15 02:46:36 internet and all off them Sep 15 02:46:57 ah the sidebar thats normally on the left side? Sep 15 02:47:05 yeah Sep 15 02:47:33 not really sure. i think there may be a file somewhere... Sep 15 02:48:05 wonder if it has something to do with rotate Sep 15 02:48:12 could be Sep 15 02:48:24 i have stayed well away from that ;) Sep 15 02:52:30 t_s_o: you didn't install the rotate enabled xserver, basically you need to rotate back... worst case hold down the power button and when you start it up again you will be notmal Sep 15 02:53:03 brontide: not my problem, but i guess AFBN810 is happy for the answer ;) Sep 15 02:53:25 * brontide need that sleep people keeps talking about Sep 15 02:54:49 heh, im on usa time or something. or maybe i should say internet time? Sep 15 02:55:01 i keep the same hours as a owl... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 15 02:59:57 2008