**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 27 02:59:57 2008 Sep 27 03:00:36 interesting Sep 27 03:00:47 more verizon users than optimumonline ones Sep 27 03:00:49 :> Sep 27 03:01:13 are oo users ipod slaves? Sep 27 03:05:05 is there a way to add wpa2 compatibility to diablo? Sep 27 03:09:53 Add it? Sep 27 03:10:07 We've had WPA2 support since the 770. . . . Sep 27 03:10:56 GeneralAntilles: it isn't an option when setting up a new connection Sep 27 03:11:09 Erm Sep 27 03:11:18 Well, I'm using WPA2 on 3 tablets. Sep 27 03:11:21 Don't know what to tell you. Sep 27 03:12:05 in control panel, connections, add new connection, after you name the connection the next screen allows you to select a security mode. the options are WEP, WPA PSK, and WPA with EAP Sep 27 03:12:07 no wpa2 Sep 27 03:12:26 Why are you adding a connection? Sep 27 03:12:33 Just connect to it. Sep 27 03:12:34 because my ssid is hidden Sep 27 03:12:38 Ah Sep 27 03:13:16 your assistance would be greatly appreciated : ) Sep 27 03:52:36 heya guys :) Sep 27 03:58:46 firefox 3.0.3 Sep 27 03:58:51 that was fast, lol Sep 27 04:00:30 i'm only running 3.0.1 on here Sep 27 04:01:05 3.0.2 was out on sep 22 Sep 27 04:01:12 3.0.3 on sep 26 Sep 27 04:01:21 wonder what they fsckd up Sep 27 04:01:22 true Sep 27 04:01:28 the eula? =x Sep 27 04:01:36 i think more than that Sep 27 04:01:53 it was hungy for me since i updated to 3.0.2 Sep 27 04:02:19 # Fixed a problem where users were unable to retrieve saved passwords or save new passwords (bug 454708) Sep 27 04:06:50 is skype able to stream video on the IT yet? Sep 27 05:17:28 http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm Sep 27 05:20:04 fun Sep 27 05:43:01 Kot: Btw who won the debate yesterday? Sep 27 05:43:09 i don't watch tv Sep 27 05:43:11 :) Sep 27 05:43:12 Did they get to a fistfight? Sep 27 05:43:22 Neither do I but still... Sep 27 05:43:40 i guess you can check on cnn Sep 27 05:45:17 found it: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/round_one_obama.html Sep 27 05:46:41 * moontiger waves hello Sep 27 05:47:06 does anybody know how to get the sb2 anjuta toolchain working? it updated today and now it's broken :( Sep 27 05:49:21 well, I use sb2 Sep 27 05:49:29 not using Eclipse though. Sep 27 05:50:07 anjuta not eclipse Sep 27 05:50:25 the anjuta plugin worked fine until today Sep 27 05:50:41 now it gives a bunch of wierd error messages Sep 27 05:50:43 and fails Sep 27 05:50:46 *sigh* Sep 27 05:50:54 :) Sep 27 05:51:00 plugin for what? Sep 27 05:51:12 probably first one is the cause Sep 27 05:54:39 anjuta for building maemo c apps with gtk+ Sep 27 05:54:52 thnx KotCzarny ;) Sep 27 05:56:57 O.o Sep 27 05:58:06 brb Sep 27 05:59:52 i hate dhl. Sep 27 06:01:10 I hate DHS Sep 27 06:01:34 Maemo uses GTK+ by default. Does not need plugins. Sep 27 06:01:58 maybe it was some templating thingy Sep 27 06:02:05 like guile Sep 27 06:02:20 some sort of sonic boom Sep 27 06:02:49 * GeneralAntilles throws Proteous across the room at the speed of sound. Sep 27 06:03:05 heh Sep 27 06:03:29 * Proteous charges back for 2 seconds then presses forward and fierce Sep 27 06:03:36 * KotCzarny yawns Sep 27 06:03:42 tea time Sep 27 06:08:32 startkeylogger Sep 27 06:09:08 stopkeylogger Sep 27 06:09:28 that's also a trigger Sep 27 06:09:31 startstrokelogger Sep 27 06:09:44 that's just perv Sep 27 06:09:57 averteyescoverears Sep 27 06:10:44 CptTablet ? Sep 27 06:11:49 bleugh Sep 27 06:12:15 my throat thing haspopped out everywhere Sep 27 06:13:11 ? Sep 27 06:13:16 that sounds gross Sep 27 06:13:40 it feels wworse Sep 27 06:13:51 needs more didinfectant? Sep 27 06:13:56 disinfectant Sep 27 06:14:03 Call your dentist? :p Sep 27 06:14:12 heh just flu Sep 27 06:14:28 better upp the code Sep 27 06:14:31 before it's gone Sep 27 06:14:34 :> Sep 27 06:14:43 heh thats nothurti this mornin thank fsck Sep 27 06:15:20 grammar unit gone? Sep 27 06:15:33 n810 Sep 27 06:15:49 pfft Sep 27 06:15:53 you have keyboard Sep 27 06:16:02 That's not an excuse. Sep 27 06:16:13 q finger 90deg curled up in bed Sep 27 06:16:14 + Sep 27 06:16:23 1 Sep 27 06:16:34 upp the code Sep 27 06:16:40 lol Sep 27 06:16:47 physical coordination going buh-bay Sep 27 06:16:54 lol Sep 27 06:17:11 its been on ftp for a while Sep 27 06:17:28 last one is from june Sep 27 06:17:37 unless name/server has changed Sep 27 06:17:37 try again Sep 27 06:17:48 notihng Sep 27 06:17:50 still june Sep 27 06:18:14 no correct folder, should be _www_jpeg suffix Sep 27 06:18:29 liqbase_www_jpeg_20080920_114317_at summit.tar.gz ? Sep 27 06:19:03 sounds kinda reasonable since the summit was last week Sep 27 06:19:18 set your ftp to sort by date Sep 27 06:19:20 :) Sep 27 06:19:30 or move old files to old/ Sep 27 06:19:40 get a client that works Sep 27 06:19:47 firefox? Sep 27 06:19:54 lol Sep 27 06:20:04 what? it works Sep 27 06:20:05 ;) Sep 27 06:20:31 although could use some configuration options Sep 27 06:20:36 windows explorer lets me sort, you arent gonna let ms win are you? Sep 27 06:20:47 hrm Sep 27 06:20:51 lol Sep 27 06:20:58 apparently yes Sep 27 06:21:05 heh Sep 27 06:21:14 but your date is b0rken Sep 27 06:21:23 or maybe not Sep 27 06:21:35 mmm yes i have noticed Sep 27 06:21:52 first time noticed i can sort by headers Sep 27 06:22:30 heh you learn somethin new everyday Sep 27 06:22:48 or in maemo worl-d, its 10 things Sep 27 06:23:24 gah. that bacon looks perverted Sep 27 06:23:25 :/ Sep 27 06:23:51 does anyone know what the --host-tools option actually means? Sep 27 06:24:05 probably to use host tools Sep 27 06:24:11 BACON Sep 27 06:24:25 ^ canine Sep 27 06:24:44 geeee really KotCzarny? thnx for that Sep 27 06:24:52 :)~ Sep 27 06:25:11 moontiger: :) Sep 27 06:26:05 a 4 eyed smily Sep 27 06:26:11 * moontiger laughs Sep 27 06:27:09 :::) Sep 27 06:27:19 "what i hate about n800 headphones": cannot be used with other equipment without pushing the button all the time Sep 27 06:27:19 :.:) Sep 27 06:27:43 is what they call 'vendor lock in' ? Sep 27 06:27:52 *is it Sep 27 06:27:58 "what i hate about KotCzarny": always complaining about the n800 headphones Sep 27 06:28:08 'always' ? Sep 27 06:28:10 heh Sep 27 06:28:17 define 'always' Sep 27 06:28:23 all the time!! Sep 27 06:28:27 FOREVER!! Sep 27 06:28:31 really? arent they just ordinary headphones? Sep 27 06:28:32 not true Sep 27 06:28:33 pet peeve Sep 27 06:28:57 moontiger: you need to push the button or it shorts the some pins Sep 27 06:29:09 and in effect giving you delta-headphones effec Sep 27 06:29:09 did i miss anyfin whilst emptying sinuses Sep 27 06:29:10 t Sep 27 06:29:14 wow what a great design Sep 27 06:29:15 lcuk, nope Sep 27 06:29:38 lcuk, that sounds great ... thnx for sharing ;) Sep 27 06:29:43 I hope you saved your snot for mucas transfusuions Sep 27 06:29:55 lol the headphones work in mono with no button and other chan is 10% of nomal (ish) Sep 27 06:30:03 :) Sep 27 06:30:06 welcome Sep 27 06:30:07 push the button Sep 27 06:30:15 apt-get install snot Sep 27 06:30:22 * KotCzarny wrapped some rubber band over the button Sep 27 06:30:28 heh Sep 27 06:30:36 hell yeah!! it works again :) Sep 27 06:30:41 yer i know!!! it was on laptop Sep 27 06:30:52 more like apt-get remove snot no? Sep 27 06:30:53 who was on the laptop? Sep 27 06:30:59 me Sep 27 06:31:00 and whose laptop Sep 27 06:31:25 who mentioned bacon, my desktop is goin mental but i cant quite see Sep 27 06:31:30 mine Sep 27 06:31:48 full bacon alchemist Sep 27 06:31:58 moontiger,the morei remove the more appears Sep 27 06:32:06 bacon glassess Sep 27 06:32:15 remove the bacon Sep 27 06:32:15 wow dude you have a snot virus Sep 27 06:32:23 well bacon warning signal Sep 27 06:32:31 oh noes Sep 27 06:32:36 bacon calling Sep 27 06:32:42 milkman! Sep 27 06:32:47 it it morning where you guys are? Sep 27 06:32:49 milk + bacon? Sep 27 06:33:01 yer actually Sep 27 06:33:07 recipe for a fail Sep 27 06:33:09 :) Sep 27 06:33:10 he brings loads of goodies Sep 27 06:33:17 where bouts in england are you lcuk ? Sep 27 06:33:23 no, full dairy service Sep 27 06:33:27 manchester Sep 27 06:33:37 ayyyyyyyy by gum! Sep 27 06:34:04 * lcuk810 gets eggs n bacon n milk just when needed on a weekend mornin Sep 27 06:34:15 * KotCzarny yawns Sep 27 06:34:20 cup of tea with the eggs and bacon huh? Sep 27 06:34:28 ewww no Sep 27 06:34:31 coffee Sep 27 06:34:31 * moontiger is going to bed soon Sep 27 06:34:38 coffee? Sep 27 06:34:40 ewwww Sep 27 06:35:26 worksforme Sep 27 06:36:32 fresh coffee at least yes? Sep 27 06:36:36 not that instant crap Sep 27 06:36:44 instant crap Sep 27 06:36:48 new! Sep 27 06:36:51 improved! Sep 27 06:36:56 * moontiger laughs Sep 27 06:37:03 now you can cram instantly! Sep 27 06:37:05 crap Sep 27 06:37:13 <--- brushing teeth Sep 27 06:37:19 no more waiting or pushing! Sep 27 06:37:20 err instant crap works, its like microsoft coffee Sep 27 06:37:25 wash and go! Sep 27 06:37:43 na ahhh... the ms campus has fresh coffee all day Sep 27 06:38:07 i mean the same for everyone Sep 27 06:38:21 oh Sep 27 06:38:31 * moontiger is tired and a bit confused Sep 27 06:38:40 so its nescafe ur drinking? Sep 27 06:38:52 that happens often :p Sep 27 06:38:56 yer Sep 27 06:39:03 netscafe Sep 27 06:39:08 eeeeeesh yuk Sep 27 06:39:10 :) Sep 27 06:39:18 * lcuk810 is a sheeple Sep 27 06:39:44 actually im not drinkincos its too cold to get out of bed Sep 27 06:40:18 * lcuk810 sends a child on a mission Sep 27 06:41:06 * lcuk810 sends youngest to wake eldest, then sends eldest to brew up. what a plan! Sep 27 06:41:17 really? its cold there already? Sep 27 06:41:28 in effect they will drink all the coffee Sep 27 06:41:34 and you will get some tea Sep 27 06:41:34 it was 75+ here today and still its warm outside at 11.30pm Sep 27 06:41:37 yer its chilly, Sep 27 06:41:39 for being last Sep 27 06:41:54 <--- drinks pg tips Sep 27 06:42:11 what do you drink kot Sep 27 06:42:21 cocoa Sep 27 06:42:28 but i'm already through Sep 27 06:42:36 i'm trying to download the latest edition of the maemo os2008 (diablo_4.2008.30-2), but i'm having some trouble finding it Sep 27 06:42:47 does such an operating system binary file exist? Sep 27 06:42:54 ~flashing Sep 27 06:42:57 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 27 06:43:11 prak what are you wanting toflash with? win/lin Sep 27 06:43:23 lcuk810, win Sep 27 06:43:30 i'm flashing it onto my nokia n810 Sep 27 06:43:39 the flasher tool gets correct image itself Sep 27 06:44:04 the flasher tool says i'm downgrading to an older version though Sep 27 06:44:20 how would i upgrade it back to the newest version? Sep 27 06:44:33 its a slight bug with the new updates thing, they released the patches after Sep 27 06:44:54 prak, update to the one it says then it will update itself Sep 27 06:44:55 apparantly this is ok, and after flashing you will be re-updated Sep 27 06:45:03 ok Sep 27 06:45:04 thanks Sep 27 06:45:05 can some1 else confirm though Sep 27 06:45:12 updating the os on the n810 right now Sep 27 06:45:20 i dont think the latest patch has made it into the base image Sep 27 06:45:37 i did that t mine last week and it worked fine Sep 27 06:45:49 ~ssu Sep 27 06:45:50 somebody said ssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Sep 27 06:46:37 the version the flasher gives, is that kernel? where does it get it from Sep 27 06:46:47 Erm? Sep 27 06:47:05 That's the build identifier of the whole FIASCO image. Sep 27 06:47:19 ok, thanks :) Sep 27 06:48:12 bbl guys, kot speak tonight m8 :) Sep 27 06:50:09 heh Sep 27 06:50:10 ok Sep 27 06:50:11 :) Sep 27 06:51:10 thanks, my problem has been resolved Sep 27 07:05:19 moo Sep 27 07:05:31 run Sep 27 07:05:37 they are after your diary Sep 27 07:05:42 dairy i mean Sep 27 07:08:40 Oh well, I am after their bacon... Sep 27 07:10:00 fricking pidgin-encryption requires nss/nspr installed Sep 27 07:10:07 madness. Sep 27 07:54:52 is the only way of saving files on maemo os2008 on a n810 by saving the file through the usb cable on the host computer? Sep 27 07:55:35 * qwerty12 does a dirty trick to try out canola beta10 Sep 27 07:55:51 prak_: sshfs Sep 27 07:59:54 KotCzarny, why sshfs? Sep 27 08:00:06 because Sep 27 08:00:23 you asked what other way Sep 27 08:01:04 prak_, compile server for what method you want to use and use that. for ftp, compile proftpd etc. KotCzarny is right. why not sshfs? openssh is a proper port for the tablets. Sep 27 08:02:01 ok Sep 27 08:02:18 i don't quite understand what you're talking about; i'm just trying to save a file on a browser Sep 27 08:03:01 Ah, now that is simpler :P. You can use the built in browser to download files to a memory card or use wget/curl Sep 27 08:07:55 qwerty12, the thing is there is no right mouse button Sep 27 08:08:03 not sure how to download the files Sep 27 08:08:13 tap'n'hold Sep 27 08:08:17 ^ Sep 27 08:09:08 thanks Sep 27 08:17:46 aside from the browser having a flash 9 plugin, if I have an swf, can I play it with some general purpose player and not using the browser? Sep 27 08:17:46 * qwerty12 thinks wtf: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=227914#post227914 Sep 27 08:18:34 liri, I think only kmplayer lets you do that using the browser plugin. Or if you still have the tablet default getting started, replace the swf files for that Sep 27 08:19:38 lol Sep 27 08:19:57 qwerty12, go beat him with a stick. Sep 27 08:20:31 hehe Sep 27 08:20:57 heh, yeah replacing the swf is awful Sep 27 08:21:25 That's actually really awesome in its own messed sort of way. Sep 27 08:21:31 I love his instructions. "5. At the end, reboot the N810, the meamo of N810 will not work." Sep 27 08:21:37 Hehe Sep 27 08:21:48 qwerty, you were n00b at some point too Sep 27 08:21:49 well I was just thinking - there are many games in forms of flash widely available today so.. Sep 27 08:21:59 don't laugh at him for trying Sep 27 08:22:01 :) Sep 27 08:22:11 KotCzarny, true but at least I didn't put around guides on how to fuck up the tablet Sep 27 08:22:33 hehe, but you were reflashing Sep 27 08:22:35 often Sep 27 08:22:36 :) Sep 27 08:22:54 * GAN800 smells hypocrisy. Sep 27 08:22:55 btw. is your flash still intact? Sep 27 08:23:18 KotCzarny, Yer. I finally got a working setup and backed it up to an jffs2 file. Not a tarball ;) Sep 27 08:23:22 :) Sep 27 08:23:30 * qwerty12 still remembers that pointless argument :P Sep 27 08:23:52 so it can take quite a many flash cycles Sep 27 08:23:54 :) Sep 27 08:24:04 scratch 'a' Sep 27 08:24:27 yeah. I think I flashed initfs 30 times in a row once :/ Sep 27 08:24:44 and it still works :) Sep 27 08:24:57 you should post about it to encourage more testing :) Sep 27 08:26:27 Not much people are into modifying initfs. I only started messing around with jffs2 images when I started shrinking the diablo initfs to be flashed on a chinook + diablo beta update. Sep 27 08:26:55 i'm going to make something fluxbox based soon Sep 27 08:27:35 i have one 128mb sd card i could kill freely Sep 27 08:28:15 * qwerty12 has already killed cheapo 1gb sd with 48mhz kernel Sep 27 08:28:37 i wonder if throwing most of the matchbox and maemo apps would help for a simple tasks like browsing etc Sep 27 08:30:28 Remove the old wiki already. I just used the search function on the maemo mediawiki and it so pwns the midgard crap :/ Sep 27 08:33:10 qwerty12, we'd have riots. Sep 27 08:33:29 Arrgh :( Sep 27 08:34:04 cleanup meeting today at 19:00 utc if you want to discuss it. Sep 27 08:34:46 I'm not a good debater :/ Sep 27 08:35:10 Well, the rioters probably wont be attending. Sep 27 08:37:00 Has all the content from the old wiki been migrated to the new one? To me, the old wiki is like a derelict house whereas the new wiki is like the playboy mansion :P Sep 27 08:38:21 The useful stuff Sep 27 08:39:22 Deleting pages doesn't seem to remove them from the google results stupidly enough. :/ Sep 27 08:40:25 Annoying :(. Let's do that stuff webmasters do by putting a load of hidden text on the bottom to bring the google rank up *g* Sep 27 08:41:58 I'm thinking it might be worthwhile migrating more stuff and just killing it outright. Sep 27 08:43:08 Agreed. The old wiki just looks so bad compared to the new one. Sep 27 08:44:00 It makes no sense to have a wiki around that nobody can edit. Sep 27 08:44:25 The current situation is born of a weak compromise. Sep 27 08:46:03 So true. You've done a brilliant job of keeping the content useful on the new wiki, the old wiki is a mess. Sep 27 08:46:36 surely the old pages should be http redirected to the new pages, then google will be fine Sep 27 08:47:18 There isn't really a 1:1 correlation. Sep 27 08:47:33 It just needs to be deleted outright. Sep 27 08:47:34 then redirect to index page of new wiki Sep 27 08:47:44 Anything salvageable needs to be moved over Sep 27 08:47:49 then the old wiki needs to be deleted. Sep 27 08:50:20 breaking urls is bad Sep 27 08:50:57 you have pagerank for the old pages, use that to move the new pages into the same position Sep 27 08:56:56 hrm Sep 27 08:56:59 lcuk was here Sep 27 08:57:03 that lurker Sep 27 08:57:11 i am Sep 27 08:57:30 but i was sortin breakfast Sep 27 08:57:38 oh, here you are Sep 27 08:57:45 and the desktop xchat gets a bug Sep 27 08:57:49 i have compiled latest liqbase on x86 Sep 27 08:57:56 but colors aren't right Sep 27 08:58:08 and i forgot what i did in the past to fix them Sep 27 08:58:15 yer i noticed i think im flipping u and v Sep 27 08:58:29 not to mention you have hardcoded dpi and res in many places Sep 27 08:58:34 well Sep 27 08:58:37 green vs black Sep 27 08:58:41 it ws enough to make me smile - my eyes are generally bw Sep 27 08:58:42 is not flipping i think Sep 27 08:59:19 also graffitiwall is cyan Sep 27 08:59:35 and item borders in menu are orange Sep 27 08:59:49 and none of the jpegs are loading even if prog finds them Sep 27 08:59:51 heh - rainbow time Sep 27 09:00:02 wanna bin for your lappy? Sep 27 09:00:32 i built it a few days ago myself Sep 27 09:00:49 hold on Sep 27 09:00:57 s'better Sep 27 09:01:49 i try not to power the laptop up - as ive got no touch - its still in the bag from the summit Sep 27 09:02:04 pc? Sep 27 09:02:17 win Sep 27 09:02:19 should work in vmware i guess Sep 27 09:03:52 not sure, ill clear off the laptop spot later Sep 27 09:04:00 :) Sep 27 09:04:23 so, any idea where to look for that green? Sep 27 09:04:35 ie. what values in uv space are green? Sep 27 09:04:41 green is U=0, v=0 Sep 27 09:04:46 hrm Sep 27 09:04:49 and black? Sep 27 09:05:59 black is technically 128,128 - but this device allows 0,0 - which explains the diffs Sep 27 09:06:39 i wassending data to 0 when doing the alpha stuff and finding it was coming out as midrange Sep 27 09:37:12 KotCzarny: did anyone write a polish text synthesis for flite? Sep 27 09:37:19 don't know Sep 27 09:37:22 I remember some being done for festival Sep 27 09:37:38 last time i had fun with text synthesis on a500 Sep 27 09:37:47 phonetic fun Sep 27 09:37:50 to be exact Sep 27 09:37:52 ;) Sep 27 09:39:44 flite works it seems Sep 27 09:39:53 stumbles funny on our street names Sep 27 09:39:59 :) Sep 27 09:40:18 tried to read "Generala Leopolda Okulickiego" Sep 27 09:40:31 :) Sep 27 09:40:38 polgrish Sep 27 09:41:13 nah, sounded like a polish american, quite well even Sep 27 09:42:13 rules to read american english are usually simple Sep 27 09:42:31 need only a tiny bit of spellbook guidance Sep 27 09:49:39 well, time to first lock this time was 3 minutes (truly first on a fresh device) in a building, by a window Sep 27 09:49:50 :) Sep 27 09:49:58 maybe satellite is going down Sep 27 09:50:00 ~curse libusb Sep 27 09:50:01 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libusb ! Sep 27 09:50:14 oh no, you wished for bugs! Sep 27 09:50:16 ;P Sep 27 09:50:38 haha Sep 27 10:02:39 hi all Sep 27 10:03:39 hello, and bye ;> Sep 27 10:13:28 KILL KILL DESTROY Sep 27 10:13:34 who? Sep 27 10:13:39 ~curse mips assembly Sep 27 10:13:39 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, mips assembly ! Sep 27 10:13:45 |> plastik/01-Prodigy-Firestarter-EmpirionMix.mp3. Sep 27 10:19:55 * qwerty12_1 curses as 0xFFFF windows compile crashes when actually connecting to the device Sep 27 10:20:18 :) Sep 27 10:20:34 cursing day today? Sep 27 10:21:00 Unfortunatly, I have picked up the habit of swearing at least 10 times a day Sep 27 10:21:48 work on it Sep 27 10:25:00 meh, curse windows. I can't even kill the 0xffff >.< Sep 27 10:28:38 about windows, is there a maemo flasher for it or another way to flash? Sep 27 10:29:06 ~flashing Sep 27 10:29:07 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 27 10:32:00 but bootloader changes Sep 27 10:35:55 We will murder them all / With laughter and merriment Sep 27 10:36:07 Except for a few / We take home to experiment Sep 27 11:04:56 hello? Sep 27 11:05:36 so, I've uploaded my first package to autobuilder and it built successfully. when it will be available in extras-devel repository? Sep 27 11:12:35 slonopotamus, approx. in 20 minutes Sep 27 11:22:35 yerga, thanks Sep 27 11:22:54 yerga, is there any notification send when it becomes available? Sep 27 11:23:21 No Sep 27 11:23:32 the only way is look at the repository Sep 27 11:23:42 I see. Will wait then. Sep 27 11:37:45 Morning, all Sep 27 11:53:54 hi Jaffa Sep 27 12:01:45 ok, i should get this one framed and hung above my desk: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/09/27/funny-pictures-mai-giva-damm-iz-broke/ Sep 27 12:03:34 how I can rerun failed package? Sep 27 12:03:37 Hi. Sep 27 12:03:44 Has anyone of you installed debian on N800 Sep 27 12:03:44 on autobuilder Sep 27 12:05:11 Anyone? Sep 27 12:05:20 slonopotamus: Or did you meant that you have done it? Sep 27 12:06:09 Stargazers^, nope, i haven't installed debian. Don't understand why one should want it. Sep 27 12:06:24 Well, much more packages. Sep 27 12:06:29 At least I liked it :D Sep 27 12:06:38 I installed php5 and lighttpd \o/ Sep 27 12:06:45 Stargazers^, well, just rebuild debian package for maemo Sep 27 12:07:10 Mm? Sep 27 12:07:15 What you mean? Sep 27 12:08:33 maemo uses debian package manager. diablo is very similar to debian 'etch' distribution. And I bet that >%90 of packages can be recompiled for maemo without any modifications. Sep 27 12:09:09 Well, yes. But they must recompile. And it is slow :( Sep 27 12:09:16 Much easier just apt-get install package Sep 27 12:09:27 Thre is so many packages in debian repos. Sep 27 12:09:43 you don't need the whole repo, aren't you? Sep 27 12:10:09 Well, no. But at least there is so easy to install them. Sep 27 12:10:18 anyone, please support beginner autobuilder user :) is there any way to rerun failed package? Sep 27 12:10:35 Autobuilder? Mmh. Sep 27 12:10:54 Stargazers^, I'm afraid of increased memory usage because many libs will be loaded for OS and for chrooted debian. Sep 27 12:11:17 Well, that is why totally beginnners should not do it. Sep 27 12:11:47 I didn't found lighttpd, mysql and php5 for maemo. Sep 27 12:11:51 Stargazers^, you can be expert in anything without being a beginner in it first Sep 27 12:12:07 slonopotamus: fix the error and reupload Sep 27 12:12:08 Surely, but I meant that totally beginners with linux in anyway. Sep 27 12:12:19 They might use it first in somewhere else. Sep 27 12:12:26 Than just install it to n800. Sep 27 12:12:32 If they don't have any reason. Sep 27 12:13:41 qwerty12_N800, did that. Nothing happens. however is is pretty big package (can take some time to build). can i somehow see if it started building (or more general, what is autobuilder doing at the moment)? Sep 27 12:14:18 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23926 Sep 27 12:14:49 aha! it started building Sep 27 12:14:50 slonopotamus: it should be building. Iirc, you can only see status after it successfully built or failed Sep 27 12:16:12 autobuilder lacks progress indication. Sep 27 12:17:23 Stargazers^, maybe your card was partitioned such way? Sep 27 12:18:04 Well... I dunno. I just made "Format" in file-manager before I started that debian installer. Sep 27 12:18:09 Let me see. Sep 27 12:20:46 run 'chroot /mnt/initfs/ /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0' to see how it is partitioned (you may need to change number of your card) Sep 27 12:20:52 Stargazers^, ^ Sep 27 12:21:09 Ok. Let me see. Sep 27 12:22:23 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Sep 27 12:22:23 /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 61264 1960440 b Win95 FAT32 Sep 27 12:22:28 This way. Sep 27 12:30:25 Is there something wrogn? Sep 27 12:33:17 looks ok Sep 27 12:33:25 Ok. Sep 27 12:34:13 did you use this instruction: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=199639 Sep 27 12:34:13 ? Sep 27 12:34:51 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=227135#post227135 <-- This Sep 27 12:34:56 You can install to an image file... Sep 27 12:35:04 And installed using Easy Debian 0.9-7 Sep 27 12:35:19 ...with the deblet installer Sep 27 12:35:34 Mmh. Sep 27 12:36:05 You can install to an image file? Sep 27 12:37:11 * slonopotamus thinks autobuilder's builder1 is slow. It is building libdb for an hour already. Sep 27 12:37:43 those flash 9 games are really very for the tablet... eesh Sep 27 12:37:58 Stargazers^, sorry, no idea then. Where debian fs is mounted from? Sep 27 12:38:34 /debian Sep 27 12:38:39 Stargazers^: sounds like you installed to an image file on the flash card Sep 27 12:39:13 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/51244/ Sep 27 12:39:20 Well, if that installer does that, then yes? Sep 27 12:39:52 /dev/dm-0 on /debian type ext2 (rw,noatime) Sep 27 12:40:05 don't know what dm-0 is :( Sep 27 12:40:28 that partition must be debian root Sep 27 12:41:13 image file. dm = dmloop Sep 27 12:41:20 oh Sep 27 12:41:49 Stargazers^, then matrx is right, your debian is installed to an image file. Sep 27 12:42:00 Well... Sep 27 12:42:10 Can I somehow make that image "bigger"? Sep 27 12:42:49 ick, *very slow* I meant to say Sep 27 12:43:00 they're pretty heavy for the tablet to handle Sep 27 12:43:01 Well, not so slow. Sep 27 12:43:02 Stargazers^: it's been discussed on the itt forums before how to. Sep 27 12:43:11 qwerty12_N800: Tried to found, but didn't :S Sep 27 12:43:15 Stargazers^: well what I tried is, anyway Sep 27 12:43:23 liri: Ok. Sep 27 12:43:30 IMO it is fast enought. :D Sep 27 12:44:17 Stargazers^, I suppose you need to recreate it somehow, specifying new size. Linux filesistems are not good at resizing :( Sep 27 12:44:36 Mmh. Sep 27 12:45:14 it == debian image file Sep 27 12:47:21 it? Sep 27 12:47:48 another idea - how much free space do you have on your card? Sep 27 12:48:04 Let me see... Sep 27 12:48:47 784,3MB Sep 27 12:49:30 any files (taking missing 900 mb :) ) except for image file? Sep 27 12:49:37 Nope. Sep 27 12:49:39 Nothing more. Sep 27 12:49:41 Just that image. Sep 27 12:53:03 Why? Sep 27 12:54:57 (just unproven thoughts) you should move you file somewhere else, create bigger empty image file, them mount both image files and perform a full copy from old to new one. optionally, instead of creating new image file you could use your whole flash as disk partition. it will require reformatting into something more linux-friendly (ext2/3) and changing configuration of app that you are using to ender debian chroot. Sep 27 12:55:20 Mmh. Sep 27 12:55:48 i don't think you can resize existing image file (however i can be wrong) Sep 27 12:56:05 Ok. Sep 27 12:56:09 Have to look it some day. Sep 27 12:56:20 Well, do you know if there is step-by-step tutorial? Sep 27 12:57:22 no, I don't. I'm sure one of image creators can help you. I suggest waiting a little until you get reply on itt forum Sep 27 12:57:43 Ok. Thank you. Sep 27 12:58:00 it would take you less time and be easier to do a reinstall Sep 27 12:58:34 matrx: Well, reinstallation is no problem if I can find easy tutorial how to do that. Sep 27 12:58:37 does installer allow to configure image size? Sep 27 12:59:07 Well, it just downloaded it -> then extract it -> and in menu I can start it. Sep 27 12:59:46 it's extremely beginners' installer :) Sep 27 12:59:56 Well, it seems to be :D Sep 27 13:00:25 But well, it was good. Now I have tested it and limits seems to be reached. Not enough free spacve to install enough apps. Sep 27 13:00:30 Or at least I can't find way. Sep 27 13:00:41 Maybe I should try more advanced method. Sep 27 13:01:10 you should. A method that will have manual step for configuring image location/size Sep 27 13:01:12 i've only used the deblet installer Sep 27 13:01:20 Deblet installer... Sep 27 13:01:29 What is the difference? Sep 27 13:01:47 Does it install debian directly to card? Sep 27 13:01:53 Eg. create own filesystem etc? Sep 27 13:01:59 http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet Sep 27 13:02:08 Installer with partioning (cfdisk) and mkfs.ext2, install into a file, etc. Sep 27 13:02:12 it has options to do so, for dual booting Sep 27 13:02:17 i think that's what you want Sep 27 13:02:26 Dual-boot would be nice. Sep 27 13:02:36 you could probably free up more space on your current image by removing uneeded stuff Sep 27 13:02:45 matrx: Well, might be. Sep 27 13:03:09 ' apt-get clean ' to remove downloaded packages Sep 27 13:03:11 But well, if I install debian using Deblet directly to card, can I later "move" that to another card? Sep 27 13:03:16 If I buy bigger card Sep 27 13:03:20 matrx: Done that already Sep 27 13:03:51 i tend to go rm happy in /usr/share Sep 27 13:04:15 Mmh? Sep 27 13:04:30 Wallpapers and other crap. Sep 27 13:04:40 And docs... Sep 27 13:04:47 Well. Might be. Sep 27 13:04:48 rm var/lib/apt/lists/* Sep 27 13:04:48 rm var/cache/apt/*.bin Sep 27 13:04:48 rm -rf usr/share/doc/* Sep 27 13:04:48 rm -rf usr/share/info/* Sep 27 13:04:48 find usr/share/locale -type f -exec rm {} \; Sep 27 13:05:00 Is there anything "important" in that /usr/share? Programs? Sep 27 13:05:06 There is icons etc. Sep 27 13:05:50 that's my script for remove temp apt files, docs, info pages, and locales Sep 27 13:06:20 Does it remove anything "important"? Sep 27 13:06:26 I mean, those are not very important for me. Sep 27 13:06:46 locales gets tricky Sep 27 13:07:10 doc, info, and also the man pages can be sacrificed Sep 27 13:07:46 Surely. Sep 27 13:08:35 nothing major space wise, but when your down to 46mb free, every bit counts Sep 27 13:08:51 Right. Sep 27 13:27:10 <_julian_> does someone know if a qt snapshot with better performance then 4.4.1 is available for maemo? Sep 27 13:49:55 <_|Nix|_> Hi! I just started using the chinook/diablo buildbot. Wow! What is its usual turnaround time? Sep 27 13:50:37 <_|Nix|_> I submitted meanwhile-1.0.2-3 straight from upstream debian like, an hour ago, and it still doesn't seem to have built it. Sep 27 13:52:52 _julian_: there are no snapshots of qt 4.5 with the new rendering code available yet. thiago promised snapshots for "next week", not sure how much of the new rendering code will be in there by then. -> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/22/its-getting-cold/ Sep 27 13:54:16 _|Nix|_: it can take some time. watch https://garage.maemo.org/builder/ Sep 27 13:55:57 <_|Nix|_> jott: Been watching it like a hawk. Subscribed to the list and everything. Sep 27 13:56:05 <_|Nix|_> *sigh Sep 27 13:56:46 make sure your gpg key is fine. Sep 27 13:57:07 (matches the one you set on the garage account) Sep 27 13:57:11 <_|Nix|_> jott: It should be. I u/l-ed Pidgin to Chinook with it *shrug* Sep 27 13:57:30 <_|Nix|_> That was binary though. No buildbot. Sep 27 13:57:47 <_|Nix|_> I wish there was a page showing the buildbot's queue. Sep 27 13:58:44 How I can press down key in maemo on scree keyboard+ :D Sep 27 13:58:48 hm yeah. well at least you can sort by date :) Sep 27 13:59:43 well anyway, maybe try to ask X-Fade if everything is in order with your account. Sep 27 14:00:05 an hour is quite long for not even showing up in the builder/ dir. Sep 27 14:00:53 how do I debug wether it is the usb port in my n810 that is broken or my cable when I only have one of each ? Sep 27 14:03:02 Can't I create two partitions using N800 on screen keyboard in Deblet? Sep 27 14:03:09 pusling: maybe it's the device that is broken :) Sep 27 14:03:10 When it goes in cfdisk? Sep 27 14:03:27 pusling: but for a cable - you can easily check it with a multimeter etc. Sep 27 14:03:35 pusling: (the usb device ^ ) Sep 27 14:04:08 jott: if I plug my mouse into the port where I unplug the cable, my mouse works. Sep 27 14:04:15 Anyone? Sep 27 14:04:29 Stargazers^: d-pad maybe? :) Sep 27 14:04:33 What is that? Sep 27 14:04:52 the up-down-left-right hardware keys :) Sep 27 14:05:04 Mmh... Sep 27 14:05:36 pusling: hmm. well if in doubt i would really try to check the cable. should be easy to do :) Sep 27 14:05:37 <_|Nix|_> jott: Well, I'm not too impressed. After all, it hasn't built anything in the past 15 minutes ... Sep 27 14:05:58 jott: Thanks :--D Sep 27 14:06:00 well 15-30 minutes are normal. Sep 27 14:06:08 jott: except the size of the n810 plug is too small for my big 'meter Sep 27 14:06:20 pusling: hah. attach a needle .) Sep 27 14:06:43 _|Nix|_: does your package show up on https://garage.maemo.org/builder/ ? Sep 27 14:06:52 <_|Nix|_> jott: Nope. Sep 27 14:07:05 ok then it is most likely some upload error. on which ever end. Sep 27 14:07:08 <_|Nix|_> jott: Neither diablo nor chinook. Sep 27 14:07:17 <_|Nix|_> jott: u/l went OK. Sep 27 14:07:22 no Sep 27 14:07:23 <_|Nix|_> No errors with dput. Sep 27 14:07:25 you can't tell Sep 27 14:07:32 <_|Nix|_> Oh. Sep 27 14:07:34 <_|Nix|_> OK. Sep 27 14:07:35 <_|Nix|_> I see. Sep 27 14:07:44 perhaps try using the web based upload form? Sep 27 14:07:49 that does give a bit more feedback I think Sep 27 14:07:52 jott: but when I unplug the cable from the n810, I get "tusb_otg_ints 747: forcing disconnect (no interrupt)" Sep 27 14:07:58 <_|Nix|_> Mek: There is such a form? Sep 27 14:08:04 <_|Nix|_> Mek: Can you URL me? Sep 27 14:08:08 pusling: hmm. intersting. Sep 27 14:08:30 but nothing on my computer. Sep 27 14:08:31 _|Nix|_: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Sep 27 14:08:32 pusling: the usb mode is setup correctly i assume? maybe you need to force host mode? Sep 27 14:09:08 jott: it should afaik be slave, the n810 ? Sep 27 14:09:30 if you want to attach a mouse, you might have to use host mode. Sep 27 14:09:47 jott: I just want to access the files. Sep 27 14:10:09 usb stick? Sep 27 14:10:19 no. from my computer Sep 27 14:10:51 plain old "I want to plug my n810 to my computer" Sep 27 14:10:54 nothing fancy at all Sep 27 14:10:58 ah. hmm. Sep 27 14:10:59 and nothing fancy done to the device Sep 27 14:11:35 "have you tried to turn it off and on again?" :P Sep 27 14:11:46 yes ;) Sep 27 14:11:52 both computer and device Sep 27 14:12:24 out of curiosity, does anyone know how much recording time one could get out of an N800 from a full charge with the screen off, wifi, off, etc? Sep 27 14:13:03 MangoFusion: i guess quite some time. Sep 27 14:13:45 pusling: sorry, besides looking harder at "dmesg" and checking your cable i have no idea :/ Sep 27 14:13:49 <_|Nix|_> Mek, jott: Seems like my .changes file was invalid ... well then, lessee ... Sep 27 14:14:04 haha, probably. but i was wondering if anyone knows of any tests / benchmarks Sep 27 14:14:36 _|Nix|_: aye. might be worth to file a bug some time to get a bit more verbose dput output. you are not the first one... Sep 27 14:15:12 MangoFusion: "quite some time" is not concrete enough for you? :) Sep 27 14:15:31 MangoFusion: just test it and tell us :) Sep 27 14:15:44 that was not the point of the question Sep 27 14:15:46 i think your use case is not that common :) Sep 27 14:15:46 oh well Sep 27 14:16:02 (for testing power consumption on the nit at least) Sep 27 14:17:45 is there a way to find the bug if google finds me a attachment ? (on bugs.maemo.org) Sep 27 14:18:06 use google to find pages linking to that page? Sep 27 14:18:32 What is the attachment? Sep 27 14:18:42 a dmesg log Sep 27 14:22:14 you could add something like "&action=edit" to the url ;) Sep 27 14:23:30 (but googlefoo should also work) Sep 27 14:24:49 Does anyone know where the DBUS specification of the libosso DBUS signals are, rather than the wrapper? Sep 27 14:26:36 Jaffa: are there any publicly available? Sep 27 14:30:00 jott: appears not. You can poke through the libosso *.c files and find them, combined with the mce headers. Sep 27 14:30:35 yep Sep 27 14:30:53 but that's not really a "specification" ;) Sep 27 14:31:01 * Jaffa is talking to the Jalimo folks about a Java API for writing power-conscious apps (in Java) - and I want it to be the easiest thing for a developer to get right. For example, all threads will stop when not in the foreground, unless registered as an ongoing background thread. Sep 27 14:31:13 That's what I'm thinking, anyway. Sep 27 14:31:16 jott: indeed ;-) Sep 27 14:31:37 hm, yeah i guess these parts shouldn't be to hard to find out. Sep 27 14:31:52 (like if you want to know something "concrete") Sep 27 14:36:27 Jaffa: hildon offers something like "hildon_program_set_can_hibernate" Sep 27 14:36:48 Interesting. Hadn't spotted that yet. Sep 27 14:38:30 * Jaffa still is flip-flopping in his head between whether Java, Vala or Python is the language which the majority of Maemo apps should/could/might be written in (one day). It currently looks like Python - but a JIT or native code could perform better (of course, with an OMAP3, does the performance matter as much?) Sep 27 14:39:04 i vote for Qt :D Sep 27 14:39:05 * Mek votes for C++ :P Sep 27 14:39:17 okay, Qt+python might also be acceptable :) Sep 27 14:39:48 Jaffa: still, different use cases i guess. Sep 27 14:40:01 * Jaffa prefers the look of Gtk+ desktops; but the documentation as a developer sucks donkeys' balls Sep 27 14:40:18 use QGtkStyle :P Sep 27 14:40:21 jott: yeah - I'm pondering the great wealth of talent out there Sep 27 14:40:42 whichever uses less ram Sep 27 14:40:44 jott: I was going to play with it, but the source wouldn't compile IIRC on my hardy box, even with libqt4-dev Sep 27 14:40:46 Jaffa: i mean the main problem is memory not cpu in most cases. Sep 27 14:40:53 That's very true Sep 27 14:41:26 atom systems have it easier. they all go with a gb of ram and don't have to care ;) Sep 27 14:41:35 Jaffa, I still have a hard time accepting Python has a full blown do-everything-with-it language Sep 27 14:41:44 Just look at how a good SDK can make a difference to people wanting to develop: I briefly thought about an iPod Touch because the SDK is so attractive as a developer. Sep 27 14:41:45 it's nice to play with, but it just doesn't scale well Sep 27 14:42:00 Jaffa, same here with Android Sep 27 14:42:02 jott: maybe we'll get a compromise 512MB of RAM in the N900 ;-) Sep 27 14:42:26 Jaffa: i highly doubt it, but it would be great ;) Sep 27 14:42:44 crashanddie: indeed. Java gets a big boost from its tooling which is so rich and polished - which Android can leverage (but that's only part of the issue, of course) Sep 27 14:42:47 jott: ditto Sep 27 14:43:24 Java is just practical Sep 27 14:43:35 Aww. no more Iyonix: http://www.iconbar.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=10938 Sep 27 14:43:55 but I guess Java would be quite slow on the NIT Sep 27 14:44:37 jalimo-swt-example* are quite quick once they're started. Cacao's JIT's not half bad (although I wouldn't use it for a high performance app without more testing). Sep 27 14:44:57 * qwerty12_N800 remembers using some old ass acorn computers in my primary Sep 27 14:45:08 with a proper vm java is not really slow. swing and awt are slow that's true. Sep 27 14:45:15 Big issue at the moment is startup time which is about 8-12 seconds. I believe there are some JIT caching patches under development which'll speed up startup. Sep 27 14:45:53 well you get slow startup times with python too :) Sep 27 14:45:58 But yeah, C++ still would be my language of choice Sep 27 14:46:24 We'll speak again when I have finished the C++ bindings for liq* Sep 27 14:46:27 jott: indeed, python-launcher's a good start on sorting that; but Python's got no JIT AFAIK Sep 27 14:47:59 Jaffa: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=all :) Sep 27 14:48:19 (not start-up time but interesting in general) Sep 27 14:48:36 heh cool Sep 27 14:49:42 C++'s speed will highly depend upon the libraries you'll use Sep 27 14:50:30 no more Iyonix?! Sep 27 14:50:33 nooooooooooo Sep 27 14:50:40 crashanddie: those are just plain algorithms run. Sep 27 14:50:59 faq is nice. -> Snail's friends said "it's not fair" - everyone knows that a creature should leave a slime trail, all those other creatures are cheating! Sep 27 14:52:32 19 UTC Sep 27 14:52:37 so that's what, 8PM BST? Sep 27 14:52:54 Yup Sep 27 14:53:23 good Sep 27 14:53:26 wait Sep 27 14:53:32 oh, yeah, good, we're saturday Sep 27 14:53:39 no start trek at 8 on saturday Sep 27 15:17:25 nan Sep 27 15:17:27 ops Sep 27 15:48:25 ~curse MIPS instruction set for being badly outdated piece of shit, may ARM rule forever Sep 27 15:48:26 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, MIPS instruction set for being badly outdated piece of shit, may ARM rule forever ! Sep 27 15:53:46 yo lardman Sep 27 15:54:00 how is navit going ? Sep 27 15:54:51 i may look it up sooner than expected. My c test are not that good. I havent finished to get the paris graph in C, but it already eat 100Mb of memory (vs 70Mb for a full graph in python). Sep 27 15:57:13 I've compiled and run it, need to work out how the routing dialog is supposed to work Sep 27 15:57:25 rendering is slow, but not too bad Sep 27 15:57:50 slow as in ~1.5s to render the screen, so probably not the same ballpark as the Python code ;) Sep 27 15:58:21 hmm, interesting that it takes more memory for C than for Python for your structures though Sep 27 15:58:52 i guess my lack of c skills is to blame, but i cannot find exactly where i m wasting memory. Sep 27 15:59:05 hi lardman Sep 27 15:59:27 stick the code up on your Garage page, I'm sure people will be interested to take a look Sep 27 16:00:11 * lardman wonders why xchat is using 98% cpu and very laggy Sep 27 16:00:33 bbiam, perhaps a restart will help it Sep 27 16:01:16 it is alread in garage (i use a sandbox branch in the sayhoo svn tree to play with c tests) Sep 27 16:01:19 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/bacasable/c/?root=sayhoo Sep 27 16:01:28 cool, I'll take a look later on Sep 27 16:03:27 johnx, you there by chance? Sep 27 16:04:20 melmoth: I must admit I've been wondering about using online routing services (writing our own is still an interesting project, but in terms of getting something that works now) Sep 27 16:04:44 melmoth: but something with higher routing detail that the Google instructions which maemo-mapper currently downloads Sep 27 16:09:29 hmm Sep 27 16:09:45 i do not have any internet access besides wifi. Sep 27 16:11:48 next device will have hsda (right word?) Sep 27 16:12:18 lardman man no Sep 27 16:12:19 it will have a always connected something..but one will still need to have a contract with a phone company to use it Sep 27 16:12:33 not the right word Sep 27 16:12:38 yeah, contracts are pretty cheap here atm though Sep 27 16:12:50 woglinde: what is it then? got a p in it? Sep 27 16:12:57 yes p Sep 27 16:13:00 i do not even own a mobile phone (i hate mobile phone) :-) Sep 27 16:13:10 :) Sep 27 16:13:10 you dont need to call Sep 27 16:13:16 only for tcp/ip Sep 27 16:15:11 anyway, it would be another option for extending the usability of mm Sep 27 16:16:20 hmmm, funnily enough, the same test code use only 80M (vs 100M) when ran on scratchibx debian (vs my ubuntu laptop) Sep 27 16:18:27 that's strange Sep 27 16:18:38 is your laptop 64bit? Sep 27 16:18:42 nope Sep 27 16:19:13 Why is the popup blocker function in microb so retarded? I set it to not allow popups. By doing so, I did not realise it would count links that open in a new window that you tap to open as a popup. Sep 27 16:21:21 hey qwerty12_N800, how's things? Sep 27 16:22:18 hey lardman, i'm good thanks, installing vista atm... all good for you i hope? Sep 27 16:23:00 s/all/all going/ Sep 27 16:23:01 qwerty12_N800 meant: hey lardman, i'm good thanks, install goinging vista atm... all good for you i hope? Sep 27 16:23:03 that sounds ...dissonant Sep 27 16:23:40 Vista, yow Sep 27 16:24:21 yeah not bad though, just motivated to get some routing working after a crap trip back from Northampton in the week (i.e. I took the wrong turn, then couldn't really stop to look at the map for a long while) Sep 27 16:24:40 and not really wanting to spend lots of cash on a TomTom Sep 27 16:24:48 I use ubuntu too :p. Well, all the other computers are vista in my house and i'm bored with xp + I actually have a legal copy (i know, a rarity these days) Sep 27 16:25:00 ouch :( Sep 27 16:25:11 +8Gb of RAM + 1Gb graphics card to go with it? ;) Sep 27 16:25:59 No :p. Only 2GB and some rubbish IGP which works well actually for aero. Sep 27 16:26:12 Anyone know of any other online routing services other than Google and Viamichelin? Sep 27 16:26:35 lardman for europe? Sep 27 16:26:41 qwerty12_N800: cool, I guess you're just going to try out the graphical prettiness to prepare for the N900? ;) Sep 27 16:26:58 woglinde: yep, but it would be interested to know of others too Sep 27 16:27:05 bbiab Sep 27 16:27:09 lardman www.map24.de Sep 27 16:27:39 lardman: I got compiz for that :p. I just feel like a change atm :/ Sep 27 16:52:53 GeneralAntilles, what's the bug with all the people bitching about ogg support? Sep 27 16:53:31 #176? Sep 27 16:59:41 yup Sep 27 17:02:32 Interesting that a year ago, qgil was talking about an "Automated codec installer" which was planned (comment #29) Sep 27 17:08:38 moo all Sep 27 17:09:18 * Jaffa notices that timsamoff and GeneralAntilles both now have (maemo.org) suffices in Bugzilla. Must go and find some of my comments :) Sep 27 17:09:30 bitching about ogg support comes from precious few people who use (god knows why) because nokia and the rest of the world do not care Sep 27 17:09:54 lardman|afk: youhou, navit runs on scratchbox... i m impressed. Sep 27 17:10:48 RST38h: it's fascinating reading. Personally, I'd rather have Skype with video, a clutter-based UI, consistent scrolling, efficient usage of screen real estate etc. Sep 27 17:13:11 Jaffa: exactly. but some people are mightily adamant about ogg... Sep 27 17:13:33 Indeed. Sep 27 17:14:01 I think it's bollocks when perfectly usual 3rd party projects provide ogg. It's just a few people who don't even know how to use the tablet that complain. Sep 27 17:14:47 Khertan, http://www.flickr.com/photos/30865459@N05/2890939725/sizes/l/ Best logo ever! :D Sep 27 17:17:24 if they want bloody ogg then help me write the dsp task! Sep 27 17:17:41 ;) Sep 27 17:17:46 melmoth: cool, you worked out how the routing dialog works? Sep 27 17:18:06 sort of Sep 27 17:18:34 it really can fit all france in 100M ! (where i cannot fit paris ;-) ) Sep 27 17:18:51 finds route from paris to a 500KM away city in a couple of seconds. Sep 27 17:19:00 depends how it does the algo of course Sep 27 17:19:18 probably doesn't try to calculate all possible routes everywhere Sep 27 17:19:27 via everywhere that is Sep 27 17:19:59 README states it s Dijkstra algorithm Sep 27 17:20:09 http://www.worldmapper.org/ cool :) Sep 27 17:20:41 worldmapper is funny :) Sep 27 17:22:30 melmoth: in which case you can read in the data sequentially Sep 27 17:22:33 Jaffa: http://flickr.com/photos/timsamoff/2884868357/ nice one :) Sep 27 17:22:47 hi jozz Sep 27 17:22:50 :) Sep 27 17:22:51 ups jott Sep 27 17:22:57 hey! Sep 27 17:23:04 jott: :) Sep 27 17:23:43 What's the point of being in a city, without a car, if you're not drinking cheap, large, not entirely undrinkable beer at lunch? Sep 27 17:23:49 ...whilst geeking out. Sep 27 17:24:24 jaffa you couldnt type a word here in this case Sep 27 17:24:43 +1 for the cheapness! Sep 27 17:24:47 True, I think I had my thumb on PgUp and was reading scrollback what happened during lunch. Sep 27 17:24:54 +1 for lardman spotting 'em ;-) Sep 27 17:25:29 * lardman heads to do the washing up Sep 27 17:25:49 * Jaffa should stop spodding so he can dedicate it to #maemo-meeting later. Sep 27 17:25:58 1.5 hours remaining Sep 27 17:25:58 But I'm semi-looking after Jaffa Jr on his laptop Sep 27 17:26:29 GeneralAntilles: are you chairing the meeting? Sep 27 17:26:39 Jaffa, it may well fall on me. Sep 27 17:26:46 Which would be bad, as I don't have any plan at all. Sep 27 17:27:29 heh, IIRC you suggested the meeting; you're council chair; you're good at shepherding cats... sounds like the right man for the job ;-) Sep 27 17:27:52 * GeneralAntilles puts together a rough agenda. Sep 27 17:27:59 Cool Sep 27 17:28:29 yeah, we like it rough Sep 27 17:28:37 *g* Sep 27 17:28:42 (out-of-context-sp3000 is out-of-context) Sep 27 17:29:05 * GeneralAntilles beats sp3000 around a bit with a sack of oranges. Sep 27 17:29:15 rrrawr. Sep 27 17:29:23 Anybody have a better hold on Google page rank than me? Sep 27 17:31:44 GeneralAntilles: "hold"? Sep 27 17:31:45 ask gnuite to edit the index :P Sep 27 17:31:56 Hehe Sep 27 17:32:08 gomiam, grasp or understanding Sep 27 17:32:28 Ah. Not just sites with high page rank which count as authoritative? Sep 27 17:32:47 GeneralAntilles: I've got /a/ grasp, whether it's better than yours or not, I can't say! Sep 27 17:32:52 Probably Sep 27 17:32:55 no. page rank is much more elaborated nowadays. Sep 27 17:32:59 My grasp is about nothing. ;) Sep 27 17:33:03 GeneralAntilles: it's easy, there's a lot of trained pigeons clicking on the screen at Google server facilities Sep 27 17:33:04 but links from high profile sites count :) Sep 27 17:33:05 :-D Sep 27 17:33:09 have they upgraded from pigeons? Sep 27 17:33:32 :p Sep 27 17:33:36 I'm mostly wondering how we can leverage the good page ranking of the old wiki pages to boost the rank of the new wiki pages. Sep 27 17:33:55 matrx: they tried to use vultures, but they tended to eat to much carrion. Caretakers complained loudly Sep 27 17:34:22 s/to/too/ Sep 27 17:34:22 gomiam meant: matrx: they tried too use vultures, but they tended to eat to much carrion. Caretakers complained loudly Sep 27 17:34:22 GeneralAntilles: replace as many pages as possible in the old wiki with either a "301 Moved Permanently" redirect or a single link saying "see here". Sep 27 17:34:32 GeneralAntilles: redirect? :) Sep 27 17:34:53 Redirect sounds good, I guess. Sep 27 17:35:01 hi StsN800 Sep 27 17:35:02 There actually aren't that many pages that really need it Sep 27 17:35:16 but the flashing articles from Midgard are still at the top of the google results even though they've been deleted. Sep 27 17:35:41 Google'll find out eventually, but a redirect is the simplest; easiest and best solution Sep 27 17:35:53 yeah i would also say so. Sep 27 17:36:12 plus links from other places to the page would be covered. Sep 27 17:40:11 hi. Could someone please post me what's inside $PATH on your n810? My n810 can't find a bunch of programs, and i always have to export PATH by hand - what's annoying.... Sep 27 17:40:12 * StsN800 waves from dublin Sep 27 17:41:26 matahari: user path: /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/games root path: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 Sep 27 17:41:28 hi StsN800 Sep 27 17:42:06 lo qwerty12_N800 Sep 27 17:44:31 qwerty12_N800: wow.... where can i set the PATH statically? Sep 27 17:45:44 matahari: export export PATH=$PATH:/where/ever in your ~/.profile should do it Sep 27 17:46:07 remove first export Sep 27 17:47:03 ok, thanks Sep 27 17:47:26 * qwerty12_N800 vista upgrade is still going after 2 hours :/ Sep 27 17:49:57 * RST38h read it as "after 2 years" Sep 27 17:50:04 it is, qwerty, it is... Sep 27 17:50:32 lol, at this rate, probably will be :p Sep 27 17:50:52 then i've got to reinstall grub :/ Sep 27 17:50:57 Alright, agenda together. Sep 27 17:51:12 evenin folks Sep 27 17:51:18 evening lcuk Sep 27 17:51:21 hi lcuk Sep 27 17:51:37 1 hour and 10 minutes -> #maemo-meeting Sep 27 17:51:48 i might actually be around for that <_< Sep 27 17:51:55 23:00 local? mhm Sep 27 17:52:15 14:00 local? :) Sep 27 17:52:18 GeneralAntilles, you sent an email marked one hour ago as being meeting in just over an hour Sep 27 17:52:32 * RST38h will be up though, still having intercourse with that dev board Sep 27 17:52:33 lcuk, I sent it 5 minutes ago. Sep 27 17:52:41 lol hmm Sep 27 17:52:57 gmail has it on mine as 5:47 PM (1 hour ago) Sep 27 17:53:05 MIPS has got a really retro instruction set. Sep 27 17:53:21 never mind ill stick around Sep 27 17:53:46 ARM has it easy, it is no real RISC Sep 27 17:53:52 RST38h: no fmsx for my router then? =) Sep 27 17:53:54 MIPS is a real fucking RISC =( Sep 27 17:53:58 I need to get a cat-proof powerstrip Sep 27 17:54:08 qwerty: Oh, I have even got VGBA running on it, just slowly Sep 27 17:54:32 ow :/ Sep 27 17:54:39 rm_you: Why? You don't wanna know what will happen? =) Sep 27 17:54:43 rm_you, just put THINNER insulation on it, the problem will solve itself Sep 27 17:54:45 yeah, MIPS is what we learned in my comp. architecture class Sep 27 17:55:09 rm_you: And the funny thing is, it HAS NOT CHANGED since that time =) Sep 27 17:55:24 i'm more worried about the fact that it turns off if you breathe too hard on the power switch, not to mention if a cat steps near it Sep 27 17:56:06 is diablo a recommended upgrade for all n810 users? Sep 27 17:56:10 Yes. Sep 27 17:56:11 yes Sep 27 17:56:13 yes Sep 27 17:56:15 yes Sep 27 17:56:17 yes Sep 27 17:56:20 ~flashing Sep 27 17:56:21 it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 27 17:56:24 cool, will do. just gotta backup my home directory Sep 27 17:56:25 [whispering] Modest. Sep 27 17:56:56 thanks Sep 27 17:57:03 i don't use the builtin e-mail, just gmail Sep 27 17:57:06 btw, given the fact that everybody is here, has anyone got any flash content to work in Diablo MicroB? Sep 27 17:58:14 I might use a builtin e-mail program if I had offlineimap Sep 27 18:02:40 RST38h: sure Sep 27 18:05:28 RST38h, plenty of it. Sep 27 18:06:35 any examples? Sep 27 18:07:03 to me, it looks like the moment there is an embedded flash block, browserd goes into cardiac arrest Sep 27 18:07:05 teh youtubas Sep 27 18:07:19 youtubes send browserd into a loop Sep 27 18:07:27 * sp3000 watches some norwegians cover his band Sep 27 18:08:26 YouTube works fine here. Sep 27 18:08:31 weird Sep 27 18:08:46 Slow, of course, but that's to be expected. Sep 27 18:09:35 Youtube works for me too with some stuttering halfway through. Much better than chinook in that regard though. Sep 27 18:10:16 speaking of which, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfqDVP_0O0c Sep 27 18:10:22 100% cpu usage though? Sep 27 18:10:31 even when video is stopped? Sep 27 18:12:09 a fullscreened youtube is 60--80% after video Sep 27 18:12:38 hmmm Sep 27 18:13:01 lol, sp3000, that's awesome. Sep 27 18:13:20 hey, it's got those related videos animations and crap Sep 27 18:14:07 wait, you were talking about the video, weren't you :P Sep 27 18:14:13 Yes. :P Sep 27 18:20:04 i have problems with cloning my system to a SD card. I used penguinbait's Install-tools and install-tools-advanced to clone diablo to my external SD on my n810, but i have no efforts.... The scripts run fine, but my n810 will never boot from SD (but i can select it in bootmenu)... Sep 27 18:20:43 RST38h: fwiw flashblock makes the youtubes appear doubled for me on diablo, which is problematic Sep 27 18:21:07 it always hangs at the NOKIA screen with the progress bar, and there is written "Booting from mmc12 (mmcblk0p2 ext2)" and i have to remove the battery to reboot.... Sep 27 18:21:26 Can't help with penguinbaits installers Sep 27 18:21:29 but Sep 27 18:21:32 ~boot-sd Sep 27 18:21:33 i heard boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Sep 27 18:21:42 sp3000: weird...I installed it recently and it does not seem to double 'em Sep 27 18:21:55 AdBlock fixes it for some reason. Sep 27 18:22:01 But AdBlock has its own massive set of issues. Sep 27 18:22:14 I disabled adblock although it is still installed Sep 27 18:22:18 GeneralAntilles: thanks Sep 27 18:22:31 somebody should really get back to maintaining browser extras... Sep 27 18:22:52 They all pretty much suck, unfortunately. Sep 27 18:23:22 That's one repository I definitely don't want to see moved to Extras. Sep 27 18:23:29 The greasemonkey port is decent but not a fan on the others Sep 27 18:23:44 do they suck for fundamental reasons or because nobody has maintained them for long time? Sep 27 18:23:55 qwerty12_N800, by the way, think I could talk you into putting together a CSS/hosts adblocking package for Extras? Sep 27 18:24:08 RST38h, I don't know, most of them just aren't well put together. Sep 27 18:24:32 GeneralAntilles: Alas, I'm not the best packager in the world :/ Sep 27 18:24:46 Sure, but I'm not looking for the best. :P Sep 27 18:25:06 Biggest hurdle is probably cleaning up the hosts file during uninstall. Sep 27 18:25:28 hosts may be less important than css Sep 27 18:25:46 dnsmasq has an option to use a separate hosts file for ad blocking Sep 27 18:26:28 neither solves the problem completely though so I would much prefer adblock to work =( Sep 27 18:27:11 Meh, I prefer lightweight almost-as-good ad blocking to slow-the-browser-to-a-crawl better ad blocking. Sep 27 18:28:23 * RST38h still has hopes adblock can be fixed Sep 27 18:29:07 Plug-ins are weird on microb though. I packaged wmlbrowser and it works when it feels like it :p Sep 27 18:31:31 wow, flashing was very fast! Sep 27 18:31:36 I must have usb2 or something Sep 27 18:32:12 General: btw is fb-based vgba noticeably faster? Sep 27 18:32:50 RST38h, ridiculously faster. Sep 27 18:32:55 Though the upscaling is uglier. Sep 27 18:32:56 heh Sep 27 18:32:56 RST38h: i'd say it is. much faster than morphgear on my 520mhz ppc Sep 27 18:33:15 To avoid upscaling, enable scanline simulation Sep 27 18:33:22 it will become slower though, sorry Sep 27 18:33:46 does someone have the same issue, that the PATH settings on n810/Diablo are messed up? apt-get complains about missing programs, and my $PATH only contains /usr/bin /usr/local/bin and /bin (but none of the /sbin's). But i set the paths for root in /root/.profile - but they don't appear here... Has somebody an idea what might be wrong` Sep 27 18:33:48 ? Sep 27 18:33:57 Wish we had the horsepower for a nice upscaler. Sep 27 18:34:05 we do Sep 27 18:34:16 Enable interpolation in VBA Sep 27 18:34:18 VGBA Sep 27 18:34:24 Yeah, but it slows it down. Sep 27 18:34:33 What you see (including performance) is based on 2xsai Sep 27 18:34:47 It has NOT been optimized. Sep 27 18:35:11 Plain C code, not making use of two previous scanlines that it has already read Sep 27 18:35:49 given that even this code is still reasonably fast, the optimized version should run just fine Sep 27 18:36:25 matahari: how are you becoming root? Sep 27 18:40:12 JasonWoof: rootsh Sep 27 18:41:27 matahari: in that case, use "root" command to become root Sep 27 18:42:01 Though apt-get should show up as non-root uuser anyway. Sep 27 18:42:45 * qwerty12_N800 <3's bash completion on the tablets Sep 27 18:45:13 qwerty12_N800: when everything was so easy ;-) Sep 27 18:45:16 thanks a lot Sep 27 18:45:47 :) Sep 27 18:49:09 ~curse hildonised leafpad Sep 27 18:49:10 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, hildonised leafpad ! Sep 27 18:49:34 hi Sep 27 18:49:43 Hey, hrw. Sep 27 18:49:45 hi hrw Sep 27 18:49:58 someone know how to force canola2 to READ files which it has on MOUNTED remote? Sep 27 18:50:38 I have sshfs mounted lot of music from my desktop on 770 but canola2 beta9 only use files copied to device Sep 27 18:50:55 remote is mounted in ~user/MyDocs/.sounds/home.lan/ Sep 27 18:51:05 UPnP might work better. Sep 27 18:51:37 GeneralAntilles: I do not plan to add another service to home.lan machine Sep 27 18:52:03 and now canola2 died on mp3 ;( Sep 27 18:53:18 my tablet is staying online... Sep 27 18:53:40 I'm very excited to see espeak in the repository now! Sep 27 18:53:58 I was considering taking the time to cross-compile all the libraries it needed, but hadn't gotten around to it Sep 27 18:54:03 JasonWoo1: i pushed it recently. Sep 27 18:54:06 how can I hook one of my hardware buttons to a shell script? Sep 27 18:54:11 thankyou thankyou thankyou! Sep 27 18:54:12 you will need to play with gstreamer to have it work Sep 27 18:54:36 7 minutes -> #maemo-meeting Sep 27 18:54:50 melmoth: how do I do that? Sep 27 18:55:43 /usr/bin/espeak -v fr --stdout "Bonjour" |gst-launch -v fdsrc ! wavparse ! audioconvert!autoaudiosink Sep 27 18:56:43 with exclamation marks? Sep 27 18:56:57 pipe and exclamation mark :) Sep 27 18:57:29 you pire the output of epseak to the standard input of gstreamer, wich use then ! to descrive the gstreamer pipelines used Sep 27 18:57:49 so, after Bonjour, it s a pipe, then only exclamation mark Sep 27 18:58:28 hrw: I experimented with upnp a little bit - it seems relatively harmless Sep 27 18:59:06 of course, canola crashing at a slightest provocation is a different issue Sep 27 18:59:16 btw, what is best open source upnp server for *nix? I may cc one for my router. Sep 27 18:59:27 qwerty: there are about 3 Sep 27 18:59:44 qwerty: the best so far seems to be a simple command-line thingie Sep 27 19:00:07 k, thanks Sep 27 19:00:13 Try uShare Sep 27 19:01:14 MediaTomb looks like a gross overkill Sep 27 19:01:33 #maemo-meeting Sep 27 19:01:41 ok Sep 27 19:01:59 ushare seems nice, thanks. it uses libupnp which is already on router Sep 27 19:03:49 shit.. gregale (os2006) apps are so limited.. Sep 27 19:04:02 yawn Sep 27 19:05:13 "sshfs user@host:dir ~user/MyDocs/dir" results in non-accessable from maemo dir Sep 27 19:05:31 -o allow_other ? Sep 27 19:06:40 KotCzarny: gracias - works Sep 27 19:06:50 that would be 5EUR Sep 27 19:06:56 *kaching* Sep 27 19:07:11 paul newman is dead Sep 27 19:07:13 o.O Sep 27 19:07:14 so 2 beers on next meeting Sep 27 19:07:28 just kidding (about 5eur) Sep 27 19:08:08 I know ;S Sep 27 19:08:47 now I wonder how much time will canola spend on refreshing those 38GB of music... Sep 27 19:08:54 yeah Sep 27 19:08:57 don't do it Sep 27 19:09:04 choose 'play by folder' Sep 27 19:09:07 or something Sep 27 19:09:11 over sshfs? forever. Sep 27 19:09:15 media libraries are evil Sep 27 19:09:19 and simply dumb Sep 27 19:10:07 http://www.micheldebroin.org/projects/deadstar/2.html Sep 27 19:10:09 :) Sep 27 19:13:31 hrw: wanna my ncurses mplayer ui? Sep 27 19:13:41 has recursive play etc Sep 27 19:13:47 cooll.... canola + 'browse by folder' == 'no items found' in directory with 12 mp3 files Sep 27 19:13:56 KotCzarny: it has to be as dump as possible Sep 27 19:14:02 dump? Sep 27 19:14:09 dumb Sep 27 19:14:13 it is Sep 27 19:14:26 simple and does the job Sep 27 19:14:51 complaints after using Chinook on the road for a week - Firefox is the biggest PoS and the media player needs to support OGGs proper; the hacked one has a very annoying problem Sep 27 19:15:15 hrw, you have n810 ? Sep 27 19:15:19 firefox has been responsible for rapid power drain at least 3 times during the week Sep 27 19:15:23 no, plain N800 Sep 27 19:15:24 ds3: its maemo - get used to it or change device Sep 27 19:15:33 KotCzarny: I want something on old 770/os2006 Sep 27 19:15:33 ds3 == hrw ? Sep 27 19:15:37 ds3: Firefox? You mean the built-in browser (microb) or Fennec? Sep 27 19:15:42 no Sep 27 19:15:45 hrw != ds3 Sep 27 19:15:50 Jaffa: microb Sep 27 19:15:57 Not Firefox, then. Sep 27 19:16:08 thought microb is a stripped firefox? Sep 27 19:16:09 ds3: browserd hangup Sep 27 19:16:12 hrw: as long you have mplayer on it and some kind of xterm and ncurses Sep 27 19:16:19 hi lcuk Sep 27 19:16:20 ds3: Upgrade to diablo. If reproducible, raise bugs :-) Sep 27 19:16:32 ds3: probably caused by browserd choking on embedded flash or some css Sep 27 19:16:32 ds3: No, it's a new browser based on a Gecko rendering engine. Sep 27 19:16:41 Arg. Sign in. Son wakes up. Must go. :( Sep 27 19:16:42 hey kot Sep 27 19:16:48 microb is the engine + brand new ui Sep 27 19:16:58 Jaffa: the problem is it tries to support all sorts of javascript crap so it takes minutes to render a page and allow pages to keep the CPU spinning preventing a sleep Sep 27 19:17:07 RST38h: I have disabled flash Sep 27 19:17:15 Have fun everyone... Later. Sep 27 19:17:30 ds3: "all sorts of JavaScript crap" is necessary in a consumer Internet tablet. Sep 27 19:17:36 the N800 is fine if I can recharge every day but long term use has really irked me Sep 27 19:17:39 hrw: do you have sdk for os2006? or will binary for os2008 work? Sep 27 19:17:41 remember that microb in chinook/diablo is sort of firefox3 alpha1 times.. Sep 27 19:17:54 ds3: external battery back? Sep 27 19:18:00 Jaffa: I disagree... the Access browser was very useful and didn't do that Sep 27 19:18:00 4x AA should do the work Sep 27 19:18:00 KotCzarny: binary for os2008 will rather not work and I do not even plan to touch maemo sdk Sep 27 19:18:14 hrw: statically compiled too? Sep 27 19:18:17 KotCzarny: I have the peices to do it, but I rather not as my pockets are full enough Sep 27 19:18:25 ds3: Turn JavaScript off then. Sep 27 19:18:29 ds3: 4x AA isn't big Sep 27 19:18:40 and will provide you 3x longer battery time Sep 27 19:18:42 the only reason I 'survived' is I had a 2000mAH LiIon pack on me Sep 27 19:18:52 KotCzarny: static? this is 770 - small rootfs space etc Sep 27 19:18:57 Jaffa: I try that but there is something in there that turns it back on automatically :( Sep 27 19:19:15 hrw, then how can i provide you with the pfl ? Sep 27 19:19:23 you can't compile from source Sep 27 19:19:26 don't get the wrong idea, I like my N800... these are just things that I found troublesome for long term use Sep 27 19:19:30 and no way to run other binary Sep 27 19:19:36 ok, canola2 is not usable on 770 - too slow ;( Sep 27 19:19:59 ds3, don't complain when you're using an old OS version. Sep 27 19:20:02 ds3: Sep 27 19:20:04 ~flashing Sep 27 19:20:05 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 27 19:20:15 ds3: is that li-ion regular nokia battery? Sep 27 19:20:18 GeneralAntilles: is the diablo - chinook changes that significant? Sep 27 19:20:24 2Ah is nice Sep 27 19:20:27 In the browser, yes. Sep 27 19:20:33 KotCzarny: no, this is an external charger pack Sep 27 19:20:38 ahm Sep 27 19:20:41 what formats does mplayer support? Sep 27 19:21:06 GeneralAntilles: ah okay... most of the ITT pages suggests diablo is a minor change mainly to add the OTA upgrade ability Sep 27 19:21:18 ~curse maemo for lack of good stuff Sep 27 19:21:19 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo for lack of good stuff ! Sep 27 19:21:26 ds3, the browser has undergone two fairly significant upgrades. Sep 27 19:21:32 it should be changed to vista administrator Sep 27 19:21:37 :) Sep 27 19:22:10 GeneralAntilles: fair response. I will withhold further comments til I upgrade to diablo and had another opportunity to do a long term usage Sep 27 19:22:32 the goal is to have a true pocket size laptop replacement... and it is mostly there Sep 27 19:26:29 hrw: does os2006 have ncurses5 ? Sep 27 19:26:39 what about kanju - any good? Sep 27 19:28:49 KotCzarny: please - I do not want to force target user to ncurses Sep 27 19:29:04 i'm just asking :) Sep 27 19:29:11 it does Sep 27 19:29:15 and your problem is having limited resources Sep 27 19:29:23 how about xmms then? Sep 27 19:29:35 or you want binary compiled by me for that pfl Sep 27 19:29:43 I downloaded a video using keepvid website, saved as mpeg4, but it does not play Sep 27 19:30:06 KotCzarny: I will try few solutions first Sep 27 19:30:09 ok Sep 27 19:30:22 and will have to install smbfs to get a bit better use Sep 27 19:30:27 it can also use mpg123/mpg321 as a backend too Sep 27 19:30:35 instead of mplayer Sep 27 19:30:54 and ogg123 mpc123 etc? Sep 27 19:30:57 although supported file formats will be limited to mp3 then Sep 27 19:31:07 as long they support slave interface Sep 27 19:31:08 I have mp3/ogg/flac/mpc etc in collection Sep 27 19:31:19 mplayer is the best option Sep 27 19:31:24 KotCzarny: its 38GB of music... Sep 27 19:31:50 it doesn't index them, simple find . -type f when creating recursive playlist Sep 27 19:31:51 I like MOC Sep 27 19:31:58 9877 files Sep 27 19:32:15 ah - lot of them are SAP format Sep 27 19:34:52 ~curse again.. Sep 27 19:34:53 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, again.. ! Sep 27 19:35:01 no smbfs.ko in os2006 Sep 27 19:35:47 statically compiled ncurses app is 700kb Sep 27 19:36:01 hrw: not in os2008 by default either. time to get kernel sources :) Sep 27 19:36:16 shared one is 70kb Sep 27 19:36:27 how is that for a such fine mplayer ui Sep 27 19:36:28 :) Sep 27 19:37:14 KotCzarny: (s)stripping producing any worthwhile size reductions? Sep 27 19:37:24 that's stripped Sep 27 19:38:59 anyway, version for n800: http://mrrau.dyndns.org:24080/n800/pfl/ Sep 27 19:39:35 i mean for maemo Sep 27 19:39:47 compiled without n8x0 optimizations Sep 27 19:42:49 shit.. 2.6.21 cifs implementation is too old for samba 3.2 or other thing is fscked Sep 27 19:43:00 [ 3709.550384] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 Sep 27 19:43:00 [ 3714.846954] CIFS VFS: Calculated size 0x51 vs actual length 0x63 Sep 27 19:43:00 [ 3714.847076] CIFS VFS: bad smb size detected for Mid=1 Sep 27 19:44:26 found Sep 27 19:45:29 '/' too much ;D Sep 27 19:45:54 it will try to index it over poor wifi Sep 27 19:46:02 :) Sep 27 19:49:41 playing mp3 from samba share over wifi in maemo audio player has skips... Sep 27 19:49:55 try me, try me Sep 27 19:50:07 you may try renicing samba process too Sep 27 19:50:32 ie. giving audio thred top priority Sep 27 19:50:37 on 770? Sep 27 19:50:38 thread Sep 27 19:50:47 it has renice, right? Sep 27 19:52:33 on 2008 usual offenders are Xomap and mmc driver threads Sep 27 19:52:57 renicing them to 0 or higher results in continuous audio no matter what Sep 27 19:55:27 lcuk, don't lurk Sep 27 19:55:38 report Sep 27 19:55:38 readin the meetin Sep 27 19:56:34 it's running now? Sep 27 19:56:39 or archive? Sep 27 19:56:42 but ive done some cleanup and culling today and removed all documents from fixed location and am in process of making everything work with things in proper specified paths Sep 27 19:56:53 yes, been goin for an hour Sep 27 19:56:57 gah. Sep 27 19:57:08 ive not gotten round to laptop stuff, but theres no point until the code is cleaner Sep 27 19:57:18 27 21:06 < GeneralAntilles> #maemo-meeting Sep 27 19:57:29 hrw, not very descriptive Sep 27 19:57:42 * qwerty12_N800 understood it Sep 27 19:57:49 blunt and to the point ;) Sep 27 19:57:51 it could be anything from a date to just spam Sep 27 19:57:59 lol @ gen actively spamming Sep 27 19:58:09 its been in the title for about a month as well :P Sep 27 19:58:43 ~curse kagu author for running scan on first start Sep 27 19:58:44 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, kagu author for running scan on first start ! Sep 27 19:58:44 as i was here for a month :P Sep 27 19:58:46 ~topic Sep 27 19:59:05 /topic Sep 27 19:59:35 * lcuk whistles quietly cos hrw will shout at him one day for similar reason Sep 27 20:00:05 lcuk, don't you even think about media libraries :) Sep 27 20:00:11 liqbase == metalayer mk 2!?! :o :p Sep 27 20:00:37 lcuk: meta indexer on ~user/MyDocs/ will run? Sep 27 20:00:37 nahhh i dont follow symlinks Sep 27 20:01:03 still, don't even think about it, browse by dir/file Sep 27 20:01:21 hrw, no just filename grabbin Sep 27 20:01:41 you shouldn't precache it imo Sep 27 20:01:44 KotCzarny, i wouldnt ever push a media library at you, but i will store your recent documents and allow you to browse them as will :) Sep 27 20:01:57 lcuk: how fast does it index 800 dirs with 10000 files? Sep 27 20:02:01 that much is ok Sep 27 20:02:09 probably about a fortnight Sep 27 20:02:26 hrw: run: time find /yourdir Sep 27 20:02:28 :) Sep 27 20:02:40 real 0m0.319s Sep 27 20:02:40 user 0m0.033s Sep 27 20:02:41 sys 0m0.061s Sep 27 20:02:45 enough? Sep 27 20:02:50 your target dir Sep 27 20:02:51 :) Sep 27 20:03:06 thats for 10671 entries reported by find Sep 27 20:03:06 the one with 10000 files Sep 27 20:03:18 started on my desktop Sep 27 20:03:26 you asked about n800 speed Sep 27 20:04:03 real 0m 11.43s Sep 27 20:04:03 user 0m 0.27s Sep 27 20:04:03 sys 0m 1.85s Sep 27 20:04:13 same on 770 with dir mounted by samba Sep 27 20:04:19 and that's the time it would take Sep 27 20:04:34 without scanning by content obviously Sep 27 20:05:04 shit.. 10000 of music files makes any maemo player unusable ;( Sep 27 20:05:04 doesnt find produce a lot of console output Sep 27 20:05:14 hrw: get pfl, get pfl Sep 27 20:05:15 and over ssh Sep 27 20:05:15 :> Sep 27 20:05:35 Nokia770-49:/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds/home.lan# time find . >/dev/null Sep 27 20:05:35 real 0m 1.84s Sep 27 20:05:35 user 0m 0.11s Sep 27 20:05:35 sys 0m 0.53s Sep 27 20:05:39 scanning internally without doing loads will be 100x faster Sep 27 20:05:42 :) see :D Sep 27 20:05:56 KotCzarny: target user... Sep 27 20:06:07 i manage to scan all docs in media/mmc1+2+ mydocs Sep 27 20:06:08 hrw: navigation is with dpad Sep 27 20:06:18 in a breif fraction of time Sep 27 20:06:20 and all you need is playing the music/seeing the playlist Sep 27 20:06:20 ie Sep 27 20:06:21 right? Sep 27 20:06:34 right Sep 27 20:06:36 it's 770 so you don't want any bells and whistles Sep 27 20:06:46 only to work as expected Sep 27 20:07:10 i have put png how it looks Sep 27 20:07:59 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:24080/n800/pfl/playfilelist.png Sep 27 20:08:18 KotCzarny: /tmp/playfilelist . Sep 27 20:08:18 No rc files found, using defaults! Sep 27 20:08:18 Attempting to compile playlist ....done. Sep 27 20:08:21 and exit Sep 27 20:08:31 hrw: try adding some dir to cmd line Sep 27 20:08:36 erm Sep 27 20:08:43 no segfault? Sep 27 20:08:46 only exit? Sep 27 20:08:58 KotCzarny: "." is dir Sep 27 20:09:03 exit only Sep 27 20:09:23 can you run with -d param and send me a ~/.playfilelist.debug ? Sep 27 20:09:42 or try / instead of . Sep 27 20:09:53 or don't use params at all Sep 27 20:09:55 Creating ncurses interface... Sep 27 20:09:55 Error opening terminal: xterm. Sep 27 20:10:06 thats reason Sep 27 20:10:19 apt-get install ncurses-base ? Sep 27 20:11:04 now better ;d Sep 27 20:11:10 :) Sep 27 20:11:37 btw. i don't remember what was default mplayer cmd line it uses Sep 27 20:11:43 funny output when no mplayer/mpg321 in system Sep 27 20:11:47 get playfilelistrc too Sep 27 20:12:50 i think mpg321 needs something like mpg321 -C dummy_file as an option Sep 27 20:13:07 bbiab Sep 27 20:13:11 :) Sep 27 20:13:27 i mean -R dummy_file Sep 27 20:13:47 playfilelist -P "/mnt/hda8/mpg321 -R blah" Sep 27 20:14:01 but i haven't used mpg123 in a long time Sep 27 20:14:13 and you want ogg/aac etc Sep 27 20:14:20 so mplayer is better anyway Sep 27 20:17:32 KotCzarny: pfl launch mplayer and no sound... mplayer with same file == sound Sep 27 20:18:14 hrw: does it show 'mplayer started' in the window? Sep 27 20:19:51 KotCzarny: http://pastebin.com/d67e60db7 Sep 27 20:20:10 that's the reason Sep 27 20:20:15 get playfilelistrc Sep 27 20:20:20 and modify mplayer line Sep 27 20:20:30 it tries to use alsa as audio output Sep 27 20:20:55 you can do it from cmdline too Sep 27 20:21:17 try pfl -P "mplayer -slave -idle -v -vo null" Sep 27 20:22:18 works Sep 27 20:22:36 another thing i don't remember in what state i left playlist engine.. Sep 27 20:22:42 ok Sep 27 20:22:45 i remember hacking it for php player.. Sep 27 20:22:48 have a good night Sep 27 20:22:48 should work though Sep 27 20:22:52 :) Sep 27 20:38:59 how do I install BASH on my 770 running hackeros2007 Sep 27 20:39:21 cp bash /bin/bash Sep 27 20:39:47 cp bash /usr/bin/ could work too Sep 27 20:40:18 you mean on the 770 x-term? Sep 27 20:41:06 Hi. I installed Debian using deblet. All seems to be fine, then boot -> select from boot menu to go in Deblet -> it tries, then it just reboots (just white screen where comes text that it tries to boot from card) and then, normal boot from flash? Sep 27 20:41:10 What can be wrong? Sep 27 20:41:26 I didin't saw any errors etc. Sep 27 20:41:30 zap's bash2 with bash3 + bashish + bash-completion pwns Sep 27 20:41:31 *didn't Sep 27 20:44:00 didn't work Sep 27 20:44:59 of course not. where is this bash binary meant to come from? Sep 27 20:46:09 that's what I asked - how/where do I install Sep 27 20:46:36 Anyone? Sep 27 20:46:44 Stargazers^: i think i had a similar problem, boot into maemo and edit the file in /etc/bootmenu.d/ Sep 27 20:46:56 Oj, Sep 27 20:46:57 for me it was pointing to the wrong device Sep 27 20:47:05 Thanks, have to look. Sep 27 20:47:10 does this require root access Sep 27 20:47:25 Any tutorial? Sep 27 20:47:30 mdg: you followed cp instructions when they were bound not to work. i'd give you my binary of bash3 but it was compiled for os2008 and has n800 opts byme Sep 27 20:47:33 matrx: You mean, bootmenu.conf? Sep 27 20:47:40 Or file inside bootmenu.d? Sep 27 20:47:56 the file in bootmenu.d Sep 27 20:48:00 Ok. Sep 27 20:48:26 So, if I have it on external sd card place, what should it be then? Sep 27 20:48:26 qwerty12_N800: whats bashish? Sep 27 20:48:27 there's a few posts in the forum Sep 27 20:48:43 matrx: Can you give url? :S Sep 27 20:49:07 what does your ITEM_DEVICE currently say? Sep 27 20:49:19 ITEM_DEVICE="${INT_CARD}p2" Sep 27 20:49:28 Should it be EXT_CARD? Sep 27 20:49:29 Err. Sep 27 20:49:36 It is what is placed in the bottom of N800 Sep 27 20:49:57 zap: little themer for bash. i got it to install on my tablet after compiling dialog and modifying dpkg status file to let me install debianutils Sep 27 20:50:05 And it is on partition 2, or at least it should be. Sep 27 20:50:11 First (256MB) is swap. Sep 27 20:50:18 Then root partition and then /home Sep 27 20:50:18 i had the same error on the n810 Sep 27 20:50:26 You made it work? Sep 27 20:50:32 "bashish rocks your socks"... hmmm... Sep 27 20:50:42 ${INT_CARD}p2 should be mmcblk0p2 Sep 27 20:51:03 Let me see. Sep 27 20:51:13 zap: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/customsh.png :p Sep 27 20:51:32 then run refresh_bootmenu.d as root Sep 27 20:51:44 matrx: When "ls /dev/mmc" and pressing tabs -> "/dev/mmcblk1 /dev/mmcblk1p1 /dev/mmcblk1p2 /dev/mmcblk1p3 Sep 27 20:51:54 So it is pointing on wrong device. Sep 27 20:52:01 I have it on mmcblk1 Sep 27 20:52:15 then try mmcblk1p2 Sep 27 20:52:21 I got an apple bluetooth keyboard. I'm not at all happy with how it responds on my n810. there's enough lag that I really can't use it for real-time games, and keys stick a lot Sep 27 20:52:27 Just typing it directly? Sep 27 20:52:31 like every 20 keypresses Sep 27 20:52:33 Or using that variable? Sep 27 20:53:03 ITEM_DEVICE="mmcblk1p2" Sep 27 20:53:49 JasonWoof: I was thinking of buying one of those Sep 27 20:54:02 mdg: the keyboard is awesome Sep 27 20:54:11 I tried hooking it to a mac, and it works great Sep 27 20:54:15 no key sticking, no lag Sep 27 20:54:15 Stargazers^: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=227055&postcount=117 Sep 27 20:54:23 on my tablet it's crappy Sep 27 20:54:27 Didn't boot from it. Sep 27 20:54:28 there are better ones on the forum Sep 27 20:54:30 also I can't seem to get a different keyboard layout for it Sep 27 20:54:43 then try mmcblk0p2 Sep 27 20:54:51 Ach, didn't remember to reflash? Sep 27 20:54:53 How I can do it. Sep 27 20:54:55 well that's a bummer - not working with you 810 Sep 27 20:55:02 And should it be done after changin that file? Sep 27 20:55:23 mdg: it works, just not as well as I'd hoped. I'm probably exagerating badly on the stickey keys Sep 27 20:55:27 did you have to set it up with your mac first? Sep 27 20:55:28 yes, as root under maemo, run refresh_bootmenu.d to update the bootmenu Sep 27 20:55:34 mdg: no Sep 27 20:55:34 Ok. Sep 27 20:55:43 JasonWoof: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/ may help Sep 27 20:55:50 for layout Sep 27 20:55:51 qwerty12_N800: thanks Sep 27 20:58:52 Is Midnight Command or EmelFM available in hackeros2007? Sep 27 21:00:23 you may try the one for Maemo Sep 27 21:00:28 I mean for Chinook Sep 27 21:00:34 should work (mc) Sep 27 21:01:31 thanks zap! Sep 27 21:27:45 Well, can't make it work. Sep 27 21:28:10 mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p3 on mmc1 failed Sep 27 21:28:21 Corrupted filesystem, uhm? Sep 27 21:28:44 if you are mounting in maemo, insmod right modules Sep 27 21:28:51 Oh. Sep 27 21:28:55 Let me see. Sep 27 21:29:00 (modprobe + bash-completion pwns for this) Sep 27 21:29:21 pwns? Sep 27 21:29:55 Owns? Sep 27 21:30:02 yer Sep 27 21:30:04 Well, modprobe + tab wont work. Sep 27 21:30:07 IN maemo. Sep 27 21:30:32 it doesn't, you have to use insmod. my tablet is modded :p Sep 27 21:30:38 Ok. Sep 27 21:31:00 So is there ext3 module in maemo? Sep 27 21:31:13 Hell, I'll rip that card to pc to see :D Sep 27 21:32:51 Well, there seems to be linux modules etc. Sep 27 21:33:04 Normal debian installation at first glance loking. Sep 27 21:33:06 *looking Sep 27 21:33:17 I got MC from gregale - it works! :) Sep 27 21:35:12 hey folks Sep 27 21:35:28 Well, any ideas what might be wrong? it seems to try to boot from it but fails. Sep 27 21:35:41 Can it be that this partition is not set as a bootable? Sep 27 21:35:47 It should be bootable. Sep 27 21:43:20 Err... Still no success. Sep 27 21:57:58 Oooh :O Now it oboted! Sep 27 21:58:03 Sorry, *booted. Sep 27 22:00:55 Oh yeah, I can almost cry for happiness to made it finally work :--D Sep 27 22:13:36 KotCzarny, crashanddie conference please Sep 27 22:13:48 conference? Sep 27 22:14:05 #liqbase Sep 27 22:37:44 can i overclock this thing? Sep 27 22:37:50 yes Sep 27 22:38:22 but if you fry the device please post about it, so we will know the limits :) Sep 27 22:39:01 fiekia, not without killing it. Sep 27 22:39:31 iphone makes me jea'ous Sep 27 22:39:38 it shouldn't Sep 27 22:39:39 only do it inside a walk in freezer Sep 27 22:39:53 unless you prefer shiny to hackable Sep 27 22:40:11 is the iphone cpu faster? Sep 27 22:40:19 600 Sep 27 22:40:27 it has smaller screen Sep 27 22:40:33 => less to render Sep 27 22:40:44 It doesn't actually run at 600 Sep 27 22:41:11 the size of the screen doesnt matter so much when you are comparing graphics Sep 27 22:41:34 It matters for speed Sep 27 22:41:37 * lcuk is not jealous of an iphone Sep 27 22:41:42 lot harder to render 800x480 than 480x320 Sep 27 22:41:46 i stopped finger painting when i was younger ;) Sep 27 22:41:50 we still need to optimise the video player to play iphone h264 stuff Sep 27 22:45:58 the biggest problem here is lack of cooperation amongst developers Sep 27 22:46:12 here == maemo ? Sep 27 22:46:39 linux Sep 27 22:46:43 Erm? Sep 27 22:46:45 Compared to? Sep 27 22:46:48 as farf as graphics go Sep 27 22:46:55 fiekia, and you're speaking as a developer? Sep 27 22:47:00 maemo uses gtk? Sep 27 22:47:12 n00b warning :> Sep 27 22:47:24 fiekia, do you have nit ? Sep 27 22:47:32 or planning to get one? Sep 27 22:48:14 Interesting: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/09/26/whats-the-deal-with.html (I quite like the demo candy of an accelerometer responsive flame, but that's not the point) Sep 27 22:48:49 kot,a nokia? Sep 27 22:48:58 nit == nokia internet tablet Sep 27 22:49:00 i have the n810 Sep 27 22:49:39 yes, it uses gtk2 Sep 27 22:49:43 jaffa, whats interesting is they are small toys which draw the user in - just for 5 minutes Sep 27 22:49:51 touch me Sep 27 22:50:03 :) liqbase also has that draw Sep 27 22:50:13 get yourself to code :P Sep 27 22:50:54 lcuk: indeed - but it's interesting that the ecosystem of having micropayments for apps is getting lots of people to output the same mini apps. We don't have quite so many distractions, but I've seen a few people complain about the same thing about the App Store Sep 27 22:51:17 my point is, to replicate iphones graphics you would have to be able to customize gtk, graphics drivers, and x Sep 27 22:51:46 even if you could get compiz running on here it still wouldnt be the same Sep 27 22:52:28 We *could* customise gtk, graphcis drivers and x[sic]... or we could just get Clutter. Sep 27 22:52:30 it just turns windows into 2d grapincs a lot of gtk work would have to be done Sep 27 22:53:29 It's the *use* of the iPhone graphics which I think you're referring to; what's so intrinsic about it's graphical API which is superior to Gtk+/Clutter/OpenGL ES/Maemo 5 widgets? Sep 27 22:54:00 it uses the powervr Sep 27 22:54:10 how parts of an application slide in and out of view Sep 27 22:54:22 full stop, if we could get away with throwing around data that fast we would be just as jazzed up Sep 27 22:54:28 animations is what i mean when i said grapics Sep 27 22:54:34 fiekia == shiny ui user Sep 27 22:54:41 nit is for hackers :> Sep 27 22:54:45 fiekia, go read up on Clutter. Sep 27 22:54:47 lcuk: TBH, I doubt it at the moment. That's why I've got higher hopes about a more customised widget set in Maemo 5. Sep 27 22:54:49 fiekia, i dont think im the best person to speak to regarding sliding :) ive done it nocely already Sep 27 22:55:04 and thrown it away again cos it wasnt as good as i had hoped Sep 27 22:55:19 100% jaffa Sep 27 22:55:28 im salivating at the thought of that much power Sep 27 22:55:57 from my side i would be happy if the IVA could be opened up and purposed as a 2d blitter Sep 27 22:56:09 theres plenty of scope in this flat world for making a compelling ui Sep 27 22:56:34 im not a system developer, only an administrator Sep 27 22:57:05 I don't mind what UI it is, as long as it's consistant over all (most) apps Sep 27 22:57:23 i like it snappy and with small memory footprint Sep 27 22:57:53 lcuk, dsp? Sep 27 22:58:02 some apps I can drag select, some I can drag scroll Sep 27 22:58:20 considered it gen, but it slows down the cpu when its running Sep 27 22:58:30 Use a different kernel. Sep 27 22:58:33 and the amount of trouble ive seen lardman have makes me wanna steer clear for now Sep 27 22:58:34 mavhc: it looks like all the built-in apps, and any which want good community ratings, will be consistent with drag scrolling in Maemo 5. Sep 27 22:58:44 unless something fires my imagination ill have to make do with cpu Sep 27 22:59:57 how do you do drag scroll yet stop accidentally clicking when you want to drag? Sep 27 23:00:23 mavhc: I dunno, let's find out in November ;-) Sep 27 23:00:59 and what happens to drag for multiple select? that's kinda handy Sep 27 23:01:10 mavhc: I dunno, let's find out in November. Sep 27 23:01:32 * Jaffa can imagine a quick double tap & drag to mean 'drag & select' Sep 27 23:01:45 Maemo 5 is due out in november? Sep 27 23:01:49 But then you've got to distinguish that from a tap, and a double-tap. Sep 27 23:02:09 robink: first alpha SDK is; how much of the UI framework'll be there, I dunno/can't remember Sep 27 23:02:17 Jaffa: Ahh. Sep 27 23:05:04 lcuk: dsp's not that bad Sep 27 23:05:19 cool lardman :) Sep 27 23:05:54 hard to start from scratch, ok once that bit is done, etc Sep 27 23:07:01 * Jaffa should bed. Sep 27 23:08:56 Woo Canola2 beta10 and lightmediascanner0-ogg are in extras-devel. Sep 27 23:09:14 heh - its the same as anythin si Sep 27 23:09:33 ive had my head inside some libraries i dare not think about again Sep 27 23:09:48 How long before it'll be in extras I wonder Sep 27 23:13:25 lcuk: true :) Sep 27 23:13:35 bed time for me, see you chaps tomorrow Sep 27 23:36:43 Right. *Now* I bed. Sep 27 23:36:46 G'night Sep 27 23:39:20 Hi, anyone of you used deblet? Noticed any sound prblems? Sep 27 23:39:37 I mean, when I play mp3 files there is some strange noise with music? Sep 27 23:48:38 !ping Sep 27 23:48:38 pong Sep 27 23:53:58 http://penguinbait.com/cdburn.png Sep 27 23:54:18 ha Sep 27 23:54:58 just burned a dvd from my 810 Sep 27 23:55:54 Mmh? Sep 27 23:56:06 How you plugged device? Sep 27 23:56:13 usb Sep 27 23:56:30 Is there normal USB on n810? Sep 27 23:57:00 I use the cable on the 810 with a female gender bender Sep 27 23:57:05 Ah. Sep 27 23:57:18 Btw, penguinbait_609 have you ever installed deblet? Sep 27 23:57:23 I can just plug in USB devices directly Sep 27 23:57:25 Have you noticed any sound problems? Sep 27 23:57:30 not yet Sep 27 23:57:34 Ok, sounds good. Sep 27 23:57:47 been meaning to but just busy Sep 27 23:57:51 Ok. Sep 27 23:57:57 I just installed it. Sep 27 23:58:04 But, well. Some sound problems. Sep 27 23:58:32 networking working out of the box now? Sep 27 23:58:52 Yep. Sep 27 23:59:20 Is the sound working yet, last I knew there was no sound? Sep 27 23:59:35 I have not played in a while though Sep 27 23:59:44 Well, it works but there is some strange noise in audio. Sep 27 23:59:52 It plays and I can hear sound. Sep 27 23:59:52 But it "lags". Sep 28 00:00:00 Or make stupid noise behing id Sep 28 00:00:04 *behind song Sep 28 00:02:24 Deblet really isn't meant for media. Sep 28 00:03:35 Well, at least it seems so. Well, that is not a problem, but it would be nice feature. Sep 28 00:05:30 But, now food and then sleep. Sep 28 00:05:34 Good night! Sep 28 00:05:36 o/ -> Sep 28 00:45:23 http://freakymartin.com/nitro/fishki01/47a0b4445477618_comp.jpg :> Sep 28 01:28:56 #nokia-n810 Sep 28 01:29:01 ops Sep 28 01:32:57 Hello. I tried to execute a dist-upgrade in my nokia n810 (now I know, I shouldn't do that), and during the installing, the screen got blank.. and now I can't power it on anymore. It shows up the nokia logo for some seconds and than turn off. How can I reflash it? Sep 28 01:33:22 ~flashing Sep 28 01:33:23 from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 28 01:45:30 KotCzarny: thank you Sep 28 01:45:43 thank the author of the page Sep 28 02:34:22 I'm using grandcentral and can't press 1 to accept the call on my n810...any suggestions? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 28 02:59:57 2008