**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 29 02:59:57 2008 Sep 29 03:25:30 hllo Sep 29 03:28:23 is it possible to send something to printet from 770? Sep 29 03:28:36 something Sep 29 03:29:33 you want to do what? Sep 29 03:30:25 send web page to a wireless printrr Sep 29 03:35:48 is cups available for 770? Sep 29 03:43:14 Iwould probably have to use remote desktop? Sep 29 03:46:06 iwould have to use remote desktop to do that? Sep 29 04:26:03 is os2008 installed to have usb communication with a host computer properly by default? Sep 29 04:26:38 yes, in device mode by default Sep 29 04:29:29 i'm having problems with it right now Sep 29 04:29:47 how would the device be in device mode? Sep 29 04:36:03 because it can Sep 29 04:36:37 and apparently that's how engineers designed it Sep 29 04:36:43 i mean how do i get the device to be in device mode Sep 29 04:36:51 it is in device mode Sep 29 04:37:07 if you want to connect keyboard to nokia you have to switch to host mode Sep 29 04:37:28 if you want to connect to pc, you have to be in device mode Sep 29 04:38:51 nvm Sep 29 04:38:54 i think i got it Sep 29 05:50:01 hello. looks like I broke autobuilder's builder1 :( Sep 29 05:50:55 it started building db_4.6.21-8maemo1 2 days ago and never ended Sep 29 05:51:12 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/db_4.6.21-8maemo1/summary.log Sep 29 05:51:53 the bad thing is that other builders do not restart build (however I've performed reupload) Sep 29 05:52:36 where should I ask for help with it? Sep 29 05:53:06 and what happened to builder1? Sep 29 05:53:14 slonopotamus: try to get in touch with X-Fade. Sep 29 05:53:25 X-Fade or Ed Bartosh on -developers. Sep 29 05:53:28 And file a bug at bugzilla.maemo.org Sep 29 05:54:03 GeneralAntilles, you mean mailing list? Sep 29 05:54:08 X-Fade'll likely be about in a few hours. Sep 29 05:54:22 * slonopotamus touches X-Fade Sep 29 05:55:00 Yes. We generally refer to the mailing lists by their suffixes. Sep 29 05:55:46 ok. thanks Sep 29 05:58:03 i really didn't want to break it :( Sep 29 05:58:17 always keep a backup? Sep 29 05:59:00 KotCzarny, ? Sep 29 05:59:19 before you break something, always make a backup? Sep 29 05:59:20 :) Sep 29 06:00:03 KotCzarny, i could not backup builder1 :( i'm just poor package uploader Sep 29 06:00:11 :) Sep 29 06:00:17 then it's not your fault? Sep 29 06:00:19 :) Sep 29 06:00:42 it stopped working while it was building my package. Sep 29 06:01:36 yes, you triggered a bug, not your's Sep 29 06:02:53 btw. anyone tried to build openldap or cyrus-sasl? Sep 29 06:03:26 they have cyclic build dependency on each other in debian repo. i don't get it. Sep 29 06:04:26 woops. i've pressed something. Sep 29 06:27:25 moo all Sep 29 06:27:52 hey RST38h Sep 29 06:28:52 morning Sep 29 06:28:54 Jeez... Nokia sure don't waste no time: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/ Sep 29 06:29:17 maybe they just broke something? Sep 29 06:29:18 :) Sep 29 06:30:42 morning solmumaha Sep 29 06:34:38 qwerty: 4.1.1?? Sep 29 06:34:53 he left Sep 29 06:34:56 i bet next version will be 4.1.1.1 Sep 29 06:35:05 are they just going to add .1 with each update? Sep 29 06:35:15 :) Sep 29 06:35:36 * KotCzarny is still at 4.0.1 Sep 29 06:35:43 or will they reach canonical ip address format and start incrementing? Sep 29 06:36:18 kot: no diablo? why? Sep 29 06:36:27 chinook works for me Sep 29 06:36:29 :) Sep 29 06:36:46 weird Sep 29 06:36:58 agps is a huge advantage though Sep 29 06:37:04 on n800? Sep 29 06:37:05 :) Sep 29 06:37:12 oh Sep 29 06:37:29 and if i really need some package i can install just that one, right? Sep 29 06:37:34 + deps Sep 29 06:37:34 and obviously you do not want to "enjoy" modest? Sep 29 06:37:40 modest? Sep 29 06:37:44 dont think so Sep 29 06:37:49 it's that email program, right? Sep 29 06:38:10 once you install a package it will bring the whole diablo as a depensency Sep 29 06:38:13 yea Sep 29 06:38:18 nope Sep 29 06:38:22 i don't use it then Sep 29 06:38:24 :) Sep 29 06:38:32 good for you... Sep 29 06:38:41 as for dependency, i can build from source, probably Sep 29 06:38:49 or hack .deb Sep 29 06:39:03 it's a hacker's device, isn't it? Sep 29 06:39:04 :> Sep 29 06:41:13 thats breaking it not hacking it:) Sep 29 06:41:22 well Sep 29 06:41:30 breaking is essential part of hacking Sep 29 06:41:31 ;) Sep 29 06:41:43 :-D Sep 29 06:41:43 qwerty: so, are they gonna continue adding .1 you think? Sep 29 06:42:30 RST38h, I wouldn't know :P. If maemo 5 is the next maemo, 4.1.1 sounds odd :/ Sep 29 06:44:55 * GeneralAntilles suspects we're due for another update RSN Sep 29 06:47:26 what are your sources?=) Sep 29 06:48:32 C,C++,python Sep 29 06:49:38 is mamona usable? i'm a little bit nervous about maemo 5 and it's support on n8xx. Sep 29 06:50:21 maemo 5 won't be supported officially on n8x0. There may be a HE but that's probably me starting a rumour. Sep 29 06:50:23 no. Sep 29 06:50:43 deblet is, somewhat Sep 29 06:50:49 is n810 successor announced already? Sep 29 06:51:08 yes, it is asus eee! Sep 29 06:51:18 * RST38h breaks into evil laughter Sep 29 06:51:21 isn't it backcessor? Sep 29 06:51:33 assessor, yesss... Sep 29 06:51:36 suxcessor? Sep 29 06:51:43 :-/ Sep 29 06:51:45 qwerty12, how do you figure? Sep 29 06:52:01 There's nothing official at all about Maemo 5 + N8x0 Sep 29 06:52:07 gan: clutter. Sep 29 06:52:20 GeneralAntilles, that's what i'm talking about Sep 29 06:52:22 GeneralAntilles, brontide said from when he was at the summit it won't be for older devices. Sep 29 06:52:27 The answer from Nokia is "We're not sure" Sep 29 06:52:28 gan: given plans for clutter n8x0 will be a no-go Sep 29 06:52:32 It's still up in the air. Sep 29 06:52:54 Now, that's not to say that the outlook is particularly positive. Sep 29 06:53:00 But the answer definitely isn't "No" yet. Sep 29 06:53:24 next device will have more powerful cpu. that may be the reason maemo 5 won't (or if will then slowly) run on n8x0 Sep 29 06:53:52 however powerful cpus are good :) Sep 29 06:53:54 Right, there are a lot of reasons it _may not_ run on OMAP2 hardware. Sep 29 06:54:04 But Nokia isn't far enough along with Fremantle to be able to know for sure. Sep 29 06:54:15 i see. let's wait then. Sep 29 06:54:23 and repair builder1. Sep 29 06:55:05 /J ecoach Sep 29 06:55:07 :D Sep 29 06:59:30 Ok. I know 4.1.1 is an diablo update. Sep 29 06:59:42 First ssu update brought us diablo-1 Sep 29 06:59:47 Now there is diablo-2 Sep 29 07:00:01 or, diablo 1.1 ? Sep 29 07:00:02 ;) Sep 29 07:00:27 diablo-2 would be 4.2.x Sep 29 07:00:35 or no Sep 29 07:00:39 4.1.2 Sep 29 07:00:52 or whatever Sep 29 07:00:53 :) Sep 29 07:01:41 qwerty12, is there a diablo-2? Sep 29 07:01:45 on tableteer? Sep 29 07:01:48 Yes. Sep 29 07:02:24 Empty though according to packages list. Sep 29 07:04:33 what application would you recommend for sync'ing to do list with the ones on todoist.com? Sep 29 07:17:38 what application would you recommend for sync'ing to do list with the ones on todoist.com? Sep 29 08:02:26 Morning, all Sep 29 08:02:40 Hey, Jaffa. Sep 29 08:03:03 GAN800: I thought you were trying to move to a more "normal" sleep pattern ;-) Sep 29 08:03:20 Was and failed. Sep 29 08:03:25 yes Sep 29 08:03:28 Ah. Sep 29 08:03:44 and he was the first one to finger point at people that have weird sleep patterns Sep 29 08:03:50 hipocryte Sep 29 08:04:28 hypocrite Sep 29 08:04:56 Shitty speller. Sep 29 08:05:10 i'm not native speaker, ty Sep 29 08:05:28 do you know any other language? Sep 29 08:07:15 hypercritic Sep 29 08:07:21 looks better this way? Sep 29 08:07:51 hippocritic Sep 29 08:07:52 :) Sep 29 08:10:59 Lo, I've got the UK edition of the N810 Wimax on preorder (for a month or so now, due in a few weeks I hope)... do you folks think its worth it or is there any rumours of another wimax device on the horizon ? Sep 29 08:11:44 UK edition? Sep 29 08:11:51 http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=165856 Sep 29 08:11:55 There's a UK edition? Sep 29 08:11:58 yup Sep 29 08:12:06 News to me. Sep 29 08:12:38 Freedom4 (a company of Pipex) are launching wimax services in 12 major UK cities at the end of the year Sep 29 08:12:40 good timing Sep 29 08:12:41 Sounds more like a scam to me. Sep 29 08:12:47 Oh? Sep 29 08:12:58 No it's official, theres more than one site doing preorders for it Sep 29 08:13:07 No, it's official. And Expansys are fairly trustworthy Sep 29 08:13:10 And Expanys is a respected mobile device shop Sep 29 08:13:14 The N810W is Sprint-only as far as I'm aware. Sep 29 08:13:47 GAN800: Nah, it will be available in more countries. Sep 29 08:13:48 OK then, nevermind. Sep 29 08:13:52 GAN800: Not in any technical capacity. Sprint are the only people who've advertised they're going to use it. It was always going to be available on other people and countries Sep 29 08:13:52 I'm gonna pair it with my E51, but one day I've love to ditch the E51 and go Wimax + VoIP Sep 29 08:14:12 GeneralAntilles: At the summit I have seen one with a russian keyboard. So ;) Sep 29 08:14:14 Jaffa, well, as far as being 2.5GHz Sep 29 08:14:38 fantasticfox: There are other WiMAX devices, but there're no suggestions on an additional WiMAX Maemo device Sep 29 08:14:46 So no 'rumours' of new handsets? i.e. Do you think I'll buy the N810W and then regret it? :P Sep 29 08:14:52 ok Sep 29 08:15:04 Yeah, I'd figure I'd hear about it, though. But I could really give two shits about WiMAX soooo. . . . Sep 29 08:15:04 GAN800: and you know the frequency Freedom4 are operating on? Sep 29 08:15:30 * GAN800 sighs Sep 29 08:15:34 fantasticfox: No way of knowing: very few people have WiMAX experience Sep 29 08:16:16 if they are announcing, it should be supported Sep 29 08:16:22 BT are rumoured to complete it's 21CN network to rural areas via WiMax Sep 29 08:16:25 unless chip allows for freq programming Sep 29 08:16:27 :) Sep 29 08:16:50 fantasticfox: Yeah, I'd heard that too. Interesting. Sep 29 08:21:05 Jaffa, I work in the VoIP industry, and also broadband ... Sep 29 08:21:33 An era of no PSTN, no ISDN, no GSM... and just VDSL and WiMax might be around the corner umm 2011 ish Sep 29 08:21:57 :) Sep 29 08:21:58 altho I think they've gone for VDSL2+ now Sep 29 08:22:17 that assuming sun cycle won't fry electronics on earth Sep 29 08:22:21 VDSL2 thats the one, 50mbps down a phone line with no phone on it Sep 29 08:26:30 I was thinking of going for one of those google phones, since its the first purpose built linux pda/phone with 3G/HSDPA capability that i've seen Sep 29 08:26:48 but since I've already got the E51 to pair with a nokia tablet, and Maemo is much more developed Sep 29 08:32:01 android doesn't support native programs? googlified-java programs only? thats crud Sep 29 08:32:15 :) Sep 29 08:32:56 I don't want another silly locked down piece of crap! I get that with my mobile! Sep 29 08:33:49 How certain do you folks think Nokia's interest in Maemo is given Symbian has gone open source? Sep 29 08:34:18 or will be rather Sep 29 08:34:23 symbian is complicated to program for Sep 29 08:34:32 at least for a start Sep 29 08:34:41 symbian isn't that suitable for a tablet Sep 29 08:34:43 imho Sep 29 08:35:04 true but I see tablets as the new phones, combined with a trendy headset - or a star trek comm badge :P Sep 29 08:35:13 aquatix, how about s90 ? (that's what 9x00 run?) Sep 29 08:35:51 fantasticfox, Maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Sep 29 08:36:08 KotCzarny: myeah, it's possible, even with S60 (see the N90) and symbian still has its epoc roots, and those psions where rather nice Sep 29 08:36:15 but still, i think i like maemo a lot better Sep 29 08:36:30 more apps too i think, or at least more potential Sep 29 08:36:39 yes, maemo is built on a linux Sep 29 08:36:46 free software base Sep 29 08:37:25 Symbian is grossly overdesigned. Sep 29 08:37:36 It's better than WinMobile though Sep 29 08:38:07 I'll get worried when I see Symbian for PDA's Sep 29 08:38:09 And yes, it ran tablets before (with S90) and can run them again if needed Sep 29 08:38:18 I'd rather Symbian die with mobile phones Sep 29 08:38:32 What do you dislike about Symbian? Sep 29 08:38:52 Nothing, it's just not Linux :P Sep 29 08:39:22 series 60 is even getting touch screen capabilities now Sep 29 08:39:29 and uiq3 already has for years Sep 29 08:39:29 Well, this is not a valid complaint Sep 29 08:39:44 but still, i think it's a nice phone OS, but i rather not have it on a tablet Sep 29 08:40:04 Because, if needed, I can give you a few arguments why Linux is bad in a tablet (or any commercial device) Sep 29 08:40:19 RST38h, ok it's not *nix based, and thats what I'm used to Sep 29 08:40:20 rst38h: size? Sep 29 08:40:50 Kot: For Linux? Reliability and code base stability Sep 29 08:41:00 reliability? Sep 29 08:41:04 you gotta be kidding Sep 29 08:41:05 :> Sep 29 08:41:13 Kot: If you compare it with BSDs, Linux does look like a toy Sep 29 08:41:17 i saw more s60 crashes than linux crashes Sep 29 08:41:18 :> Sep 29 08:41:44 Well, Symbian is a whole different business - it is a nightmare as far as race conditions and deadlocks are concerned Sep 29 08:41:47 and no, you can't fix them by yourself Sep 29 08:42:03 Kot: You wouldn't even if you had Symbian sources. Sep 29 08:42:12 probably Sep 29 08:42:21 Symbian is *designed( in a way that insures race conditions Sep 29 08:42:44 then why you would prefer symbian to linux on phones? Sep 29 08:43:40 It is an interesting topic this, Nokia made it's success off its own hardware but also its own software... and now it's a toss up between Open Symbian, or Open Maemo Sep 29 08:44:04 split by phone vs tablet, but given gsm may die (I know years from now)... will things blur between which OS to use Sep 29 08:44:47 With Qt I think we're moving to more of a synergy between the two than a one-or-the-other proposition. Sep 29 08:45:38 how's that? Sep 29 08:45:53 iirc, no qt apps can run on symbian? Sep 29 08:45:58 or am i wrong there? Sep 29 08:46:09 aquatix, not for the time being. Sep 29 08:46:42 But Nokia has already indicated its intentions to have Qt on both and share code. Sep 29 08:48:14 Symbian is an interesting piece of work. A friend of mine is on the kernel team there; it's always fun hearing her ranting :-) Sep 29 08:49:00 GAN800: ah, like that Sep 29 08:49:02 ccooke: :) Sep 29 08:49:12 RST38h: part of the problem with Symbian is the way it's deployed. The operators are used to having full control and they demand things which are not always entirely sane Sep 29 08:49:29 :) Sep 29 08:49:54 that means they are insane? (operators) Sep 29 08:50:04 nothing new there Sep 29 08:50:09 ccooke: that is minor Sep 29 08:50:10 KotCzarny: well, they're human. That's always a clue. Sep 29 08:50:33 The main problem is that Symbian is heavillu multithreaded by its nature and a lot of APIs are asynchronous Sep 29 08:50:33 ccooke: you don't have a proof there isn't some hivemind behind the process Sep 29 08:50:34 ;) Sep 29 08:50:51 So, the whole thing spends 30% of its time in a deadlock =) Sep 29 08:51:04 RST38h: In the deployed versions, yes. Sep 29 08:51:16 Kot: It's AT&T! They live in a blue-ribboned sphere! Sep 29 08:51:32 lucky i'm hooked on t-mobile :) Sep 29 08:51:41 Said friend has a working SMP version. It may even have been deployed somewhere since I last spoke to her about it - I don't actually follow phone tech that much :-) Sep 29 08:51:48 * aquatix has neither of those operators Sep 29 08:51:55 wow Sep 29 08:51:58 dual core phones Sep 29 08:52:00 :) Sep 29 08:52:03 :) Sep 29 08:52:13 dual-insanity Sep 29 08:52:48 in order to get SMP working, she had to fix a *lot* of deadlocks... Sep 29 08:52:56 (well, obviously!) Sep 29 08:53:09 now all we need is a x86 based phone Sep 29 08:53:52 That would be interesting. It's inevitable in the end, but I'm not sure it's a usable idea this year :-) Sep 29 08:53:56 I see a need for a PDA, and maybe a laptop (so the latter is x86 based, and more freedom in terms of apps - but sit down, train etc use only) Sep 29 08:54:03 but I don't see a need for phone + pda + laptop Sep 29 08:54:06 ccooke: I am sure she has not fixed em all Sep 29 08:54:16 RST38h: there's always one more bug. Sep 29 08:54:18 And then there are race conditions dependent ON THE UI! Sep 29 08:54:26 thats just over kill, get rid of the phone, and either build into the pda - or abandon GSM for Wimax Sep 29 08:54:38 ccooke: Well, in something like BSD if you encounter a bug it is unusual Sep 29 08:54:46 fantasticfox: Wimax is a bit of a dead end IIRC Sep 29 08:54:57 every software has bugs.. Sep 29 08:55:01 ccooke: In Symbian, you just need to turn on the phone - and here is the bug! Sep 29 08:55:01 or will have Sep 29 08:55:07 ccooke, It 'looks' it... but if BT take it on in this country, it won't be here Sep 29 08:55:30 Kot: I would gladly shoot all the people who subscribe for the "every software has bugs" statement Sep 29 08:55:34 RST38h: You're being a little harsh, there. It's a decent enough system. It's been taken a little too far without a complete redesign, though. Sep 29 08:55:56 Kot: Because the key here is not the boolean value ("there exists...") but the statistical number of bugs Sep 29 08:56:04 :) Sep 29 08:56:08 ccooke: It is a nice system Sep 29 08:56:24 RST38h: In the abstract, yes :-) Sep 29 08:56:42 rst38h: but ultimate failure (bug) is the end user Sep 29 08:56:46 ccooke: But when you turn on your phone, wait for 40 seconds and then it tells you the "Application Phone has crashed" and continues operation... Sep 29 08:56:57 Kot: KILL ALL PEOPLE, yes Sep 29 08:57:03 because either you have all the features you want Sep 29 08:57:08 RST38h: And I have a soft spot for it, since I'm an ex-Psion user... Sep 29 08:57:13 or very unfriendly software Sep 29 08:57:14 :) Sep 29 08:57:18 RST38h: Heh. Never seen that. Sep 29 08:57:24 ccooke: it is a nice system in principle Sep 29 08:57:31 ccooke: but they overdesigned it Sep 29 08:57:45 morning Sep 29 08:57:48 On the other hand, I've never actually *owned* a symbian phone. Came very close, but they've always been badly designed for me Sep 29 08:57:51 In fact, this is what Nokia is currently doing to Maemo by introducing more services Sep 29 08:58:16 RST38h: That's what I mean by going too long without a rewrite. Sep 29 08:58:17 The more stuff runs asynchonously, the more problems you are gonna get Sep 29 08:58:39 RST38h: It's a decent base with nice ideas, but they've twisted it to run much faster and do more than it was designed for Sep 29 08:59:05 ccooke: it actually handles the functionality part quite well Sep 29 08:59:24 ccooke: it is the architectural part that shows a few deficiencies Sep 29 08:59:42 + too many people have been adding too many member functions to too many classes Sep 29 08:59:44 RST38h: you're restating my point, yes ;-) Sep 29 09:02:01 RST38h: my uiq3/symbian 9.1 phone works rather well btw Sep 29 09:02:10 it's just stable Sep 29 09:02:13 runs for months Sep 29 09:03:13 unusual Sep 29 09:03:26 uiq3 is said to be less stable than s60, although it is designed better Sep 29 09:03:58 maybe he runs only safe apps Sep 29 09:04:02 RST38h: is that a "new, but better designed" vs "old and bugfixed, but poorly designed" thing, then? Sep 29 09:04:27 UIQ: "We read Symbian design docs and built our UI extensions along the interfaces provided by Eikon" Sep 29 09:04:59 S60: "We didn't bother with Symbian design docs, looked at Eikon, then wrote whatever was missing separately" Sep 29 09:05:35 ccooke: for bugfixing, my guess is that UIQ has got a smaller user base so they do not have that many opportunities to test Sep 29 09:05:50 right Sep 29 09:06:22 * RST38h wonders if S60 Touch pen interface will reuse Eikon API call or add its own =) Sep 29 09:07:32 reuse eikon api and add it's own bugs Sep 29 09:07:34 :) Sep 29 09:07:50 Eikon is more or less bugless Sep 29 09:08:27 but replaced with uikon i read here? Sep 29 09:08:34 No Sep 29 09:08:38 It goes like this: Sep 29 09:08:50 Eikon: Basic UI API provided by Symbian Sep 29 09:09:17 Uikon: Additional UI API by UIQ, building on top of Eikon Sep 29 09:09:39 Avkon: Additional UI API by Nokia (S60), building mostly separately from Eikon Sep 29 09:10:15 You can think of Eikon as "GDK" and Uikon/Avkon as two alternative GTK-level toolkits Sep 29 09:11:04 ic Sep 29 09:13:56 rst38h, so again, what is symbian good for? Sep 29 09:14:10 Kot: Pretty much everything Maemo is good for Sep 29 09:14:19 hacking? Sep 29 09:14:25 foss ? Sep 29 09:14:31 You can do foss with it Sep 29 09:14:32 milking cows? Sep 29 09:14:43 You can hack it if you like, although there are far fewer holes Sep 29 09:15:18 and much higher learning curve.. Sep 29 09:15:24 You can even run it on a desktop, although it will feel somewhat weird Sep 29 09:15:49 emulator thing? Sep 29 09:15:54 Kot: Well, once you worked with 2-3 different embedded OSes, new ones no longer surprise you in terms of learning curve Sep 29 09:16:09 Kot: No, they have got native x86 version of Symbian Sep 29 09:16:30 Still looks like a "phone" but can probably be reconfigured for the whole desktop Sep 29 09:16:31 weird idea Sep 29 09:16:49 x86 phone probably Sep 29 09:17:06 They made it to debug Symbian apps, like x86 Maemo thing Sep 29 09:17:30 Of course it is about as "useful" for debugging as x86 Maemo, but it IS a native x86 Symbian build Sep 29 09:18:40 heh Sep 29 09:18:50 i haven't used x86 maemo yet Sep 29 09:19:20 although it can be useful for valgrind type of tools Sep 29 09:19:21 :) Sep 29 09:23:08 anyway, time to bed, nite people Sep 29 09:25:01 nini Sep 29 09:33:19 Free_maN: Sep 29 09:33:22 Oops ;) Sep 29 09:33:43 ;) Sep 29 09:33:46 plop Sep 29 09:34:23 Tab completion rocks ;) Sep 29 09:36:11 Enjoy: http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm Sep 29 09:49:16 rm_you, jott, let lardman know theres a barcode article (android unfortunately) http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/09/28/2214203.shtml Sep 29 09:49:21 * lcuk runs away again Sep 29 10:11:26 how does one select the gcc version to use in sdk+? Sep 29 10:18:01 mornin robtaylor, hows your leg today and did you find your way home ok? Sep 29 10:18:15 baaba not sure Sep 29 10:20:36 baaba: i am not sure there is a choice. Sep 29 10:20:52 lcuk: yeah, straight onto M60, nice and easy Sep 29 10:22:00 sdk+ claims to support 3.4.4 and 4.2.1 Sep 29 10:22:16 and i can even have both installed and all the binaries there etc Sep 29 10:22:31 but sb2 is really strange, and i can't actually run the 4.2.1 version in sb2 Sep 29 10:31:26 housetier: Hey, any complains about the c-base shirts so far? I recommend going for a different manufacturer next time.. =( Sep 29 10:32:16 why's that? Sep 29 10:35:46 Didn't wear it once (and never will). After the first laundry it's print is dissolving (only a little bit, but still), the print is dark now (as if the shirt lost color, looks quite ugly). The "Fabrik Berlin" or whatever label is torn as well. Sad, I planned to keep it as a "souvenir". That's why I wonder if anyone else had the same problems. Sep 29 10:37:47 oh that's not good :\ Sep 29 10:42:41 robtaylor, excellent, did you have more cake then :D (and you should send me some) Sep 29 10:42:58 lcuk: i did, i did :) Sep 29 10:45:15 damn, bbl Sep 29 10:51:12 johnx_: how does google docs work in midori? Sep 29 10:52:05 X-Fade, just, fyi, I poked Mozilla about their repo. Sep 29 10:53:12 blafasel: place it under glass! Sep 29 10:53:20 Hi ! Sep 29 10:54:29 Stskeeps, good question. I'll try it Sep 29 10:55:29 johnx_: i have a bizarre vision of a environment which is backed by google docs or rsync.net, google gears and such, so the tablet syncs its documents up with stuff like slugs, other pdas, PCs etc Sep 29 10:55:45 Stskeeps, ever heard of box.net Sep 29 10:55:47 where it's an extension of your computer system at home Sep 29 10:55:54 There's a fuse implementation for it too Sep 29 10:56:13 hmm, that's interesting Sep 29 10:56:14 GeneralAntilles: Ah, I wanted to ask the council to help ;) But I guess I can't sneak any preparations by you ;) Sep 29 10:56:42 johnx_: it needs offline capability too though Sep 29 10:56:55 Stskeeps, rsync, like you said Sep 29 10:57:04 Odd. My email to maemo-community about http://bleb.org/software/maemo/maemo-org_mockup.png doesn't show up in the archives. Sep 29 10:57:05 Now everybody needs to go vote on the bug over there. Sep 29 10:57:22 Did anyone receive it via email? Sep 29 10:58:02 johnx_: hmm Sep 29 10:58:19 johnx_: could be interesting Sep 29 10:58:43 Jaffa, I don't see it. Sep 29 10:59:14 Stskeeps, I poked at it a little...but I really don't have much small stuff I want always synced or much access outside my house and a few hotspots Sep 29 10:59:27 a/access/internet access/g Sep 29 10:59:37 X-Fade, hello Sep 29 10:59:38 s/a/s/ Sep 29 10:59:38 johnx_ meant: s/access/internet access/g Sep 29 10:59:54 slonopotamus: hi Sep 29 10:59:58 X-Fade, I was told that you will help me with broken builder1 on autobuilder. Sep 29 11:00:13 slonopotamus: Sure. What's the problem? Sep 29 11:00:29 X-Fade, i sent mail to -developers with description. Sep 29 11:00:50 X-Fade, in short, looks like i broke it with my upload 2 days ago. Sep 29 11:01:15 slonopotamus: I guess the task is stuck? Sep 29 11:01:48 X-Fade, I don't know, because there aren't any means to see it's status Sep 29 11:02:04 X-Fade, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/db_4.6.21-8maemo1/summary.log Sep 29 11:02:42 slonopotamus: Ok, I'll try to find out what happened there. Sep 29 11:02:49 guys, what's up with new sdk? Sep 29 11:03:01 X-Fade, thanks. will wait. Sep 29 11:03:33 maemo-sdk-dev fails to install due maemo-application-interface-dev that fails due missing libmodest-dbus-client-dev Sep 29 11:03:51 apt-cache search modest shows nothing Sep 29 11:04:05 (default repositories and all, fresh new install using scripts) Sep 29 11:04:50 is there a changelog up for 2008.36-5? or did I end up getting it prematurely somehow? Sep 29 11:05:08 erm? Sep 29 11:05:16 slonopotamus: I asked Ed, he manages the actual builders. Will keep you informed. Sep 29 11:05:16 Did they push? Sep 29 11:05:30 GAN800, well I'm not in red pill and it seems to be downloading Sep 29 11:05:37 GAN800, think I should cancel it? Sep 29 11:05:42 X-Fade: hi! can I ask something about autobuilder as well? :) Sep 29 11:05:46 johnx_, refreshing. Sep 29 11:06:00 and, oh man, who called it? :P Sep 29 11:06:42 X-Fade, ok. Sep 29 11:06:45 zap: sure. Sep 29 11:07:06 oh no, quick everyone - back to berlin to be reissued with shirts!!! Sep 29 11:07:36 johnx_: well i have stuff like xournal notes and such, and rss feeds are also nice to take on the go :P Sep 29 11:08:04 Ugh . . . broken ass xulrunner. Sep 29 11:08:21 Stskeeps, syncing quicknote to something on my desktop automagically would be nice I guess Sep 29 11:08:22 X-Fade: ah, surprise, seems that my bug in bugzilla was finally noticed :) sorry for noise, will check it now Sep 29 11:08:42 k-s: Yes, work is going on at the moment. Please wait a bit ;) Sep 29 11:08:56 X-Fade: is it a problem or just temp? Sep 29 11:09:04 k-s: Update. Sep 29 11:09:10 ah, ok Sep 29 11:09:26 GAN800, also of note, software update doesn't leave the tablet unbootable even if it's interrupted in the middle Sep 29 11:09:37 X-Fade: thanks! Sep 29 11:09:38 gotta run Sep 29 11:09:41 bbl Sep 29 11:09:52 johnx: That was a bold statement =) Sep 29 11:10:22 RST38h, I'm in the process of verifying it. If you'd like to disprove me, give it a shot Sep 29 11:10:26 Hi Sep 29 11:10:40 Yes, there is an SSU released now. Sep 29 11:10:47 johnx: given all the little places where it can go wrong.... Sep 29 11:10:52 Removing xulrunner ... dpkg - warning: while removing xulrunner, directory `/usr/local' not empty so not removed. Sep 29 11:11:01 * RST38h kisses XFade on the cheek Sep 29 11:11:10 <_julian__> hi Sep 29 11:11:16 GAN800, that's not necessarily a bad thing Sep 29 11:11:27 GAN: No removing /usr/local is ok Sep 29 11:11:39 <_julian__> does someone know if the lightmediascanner project is still active? - I just tried to get a git snapshot, but gen an error that the host closed connection unexpectedly Sep 29 11:11:42 GAN800, errr...actually, no it's not a good thing Sep 29 11:11:45 johnx_, why is the remove script trying to remove that? Sep 29 11:11:51 GAN: Would be more trouble if it DID remove /usr/local =) Sep 29 11:11:59 GAN800, because it was told to make that if it didn't exist Sep 29 11:12:13 Remove script does not make any distinction between directories Sep 29 11:12:44 XFade: Is there a changelog? Sep 29 11:12:58 johnx_: i had a rsync going for pdfs from xournal that puts it automatically into my onenote Sep 29 11:13:03 RST38h: I don't know. I just refreshed my Application Manager ;) Sep 29 11:13:18 RST38h: I don't work at Nokia and didn't know about it either ;) Sep 29 11:13:27 Ah Sep 29 11:13:32 RST38h, is that a real question? :P Sep 29 11:13:38 All right, time to hunt for the changelog! Sep 29 11:13:58 GAN: Changelog one? Yes. I am 7 hours away from getting home to my tablet Sep 29 11:14:21 Have there EVER been real changelogs? Sep 29 11:14:39 GAN800, from 4.0 to 4.1 there was a handy version chart Sep 29 11:14:47 lol Sep 29 11:14:52 X-Fade: are you aware of any problem with the mailing lists at the moment? Sep 29 11:14:57 then you could go to an updated package and look at it's specific changelog Sep 29 11:14:58 FYI: The mailinglists are down :( Sep 29 11:14:59 That's no changelog. Sep 29 11:15:03 Jaffa: ;) Sep 29 11:15:23 X-Fade: ta. Losing email or will it catchup? Sep 29 11:15:31 We are changing some DNS entries and it now points wrong. Sep 29 11:15:50 Jaffa: Will probably catch up. But delayed. Sep 29 11:16:03 Ah, makes sense. Sep 29 11:16:21 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=228321 Sep 29 11:16:31 It's always so odd who spots these things first on itT. Sep 29 11:17:01 so anyone updated yet without breaking the device? :) Sep 29 11:17:19 anyone know the differences? :P Sep 29 11:17:35 jott, check. even with an "accidental" reboot in the middle :) Sep 29 11:17:40 Hrm, I think timeless's flash patch conflicts. Sep 29 11:17:42 "Stability improvements in Browser, Email and Connectivity" :) Sep 29 11:17:59 jott, sounds like 30-2. <_< Sep 29 11:18:17 Guess the first round didn't stick. *g* Sep 29 11:18:28 MARDI LEAVE Sep 29 11:18:30 diablo-2? Sep 29 11:18:30 :P Sep 29 11:18:38 woops Sep 29 11:18:42 Stskeeps, of course. Sep 29 11:18:50 * Jaffa noticed a flurry of browser fixes in Bugzilla last night when trying to determine the content for his mockup Sep 29 11:19:02 Looks like "giving Nokia a chance to do it right" didn't work out for this round. :P Sep 29 11:19:02 well let's see what happens ... Sep 29 11:19:06 GeneralAntilles, sounds like the changelog for every browser and email client and network manager I've seen Sep 29 11:19:19 oh conflict. Sep 29 11:19:26 Jaffa: You mean, all those fixes have been pushed into SSU without testing? =) Sep 29 11:19:48 filemanager Sep 29 11:19:51 lihlidon1 Sep 29 11:19:53 initfs Sep 29 11:19:57 GeneralAntilles: This update was probably planned a long time ago ;) Sep 29 11:19:59 initfs? not again.. Sep 29 11:20:00 :P Sep 29 11:20:07 filemanager fixes are good Sep 29 11:20:09 Stskeeps, yeah, just lost mine Sep 29 11:20:12 MicroB stuff Sep 29 11:20:19 hildon-desktop Sep 29 11:20:26 johnx_: re-install bootmenu (my patches), and items go back into place Sep 29 11:20:32 just through the icon Sep 29 11:20:36 * jott goes back updating with apt-get not with broken application crap manager Sep 29 11:20:44 Modest stuff, RSS stuff, kernel, icd2 Sep 29 11:20:47 None of my bugs have been fixed though... Sep 29 11:20:52 jott, worked fine this time. don't dist-upgrade if you use apt :) Sep 29 11:20:57 Although I hope somebody fixed them inderectly Sep 29 11:21:01 indirectly, sorry Sep 29 11:21:05 johnx_: dist-upgrade never worked :) Sep 29 11:21:15 mce Sep 29 11:21:23 jott, works if you have no repositories :D Sep 29 11:21:30 johnx_: hah Sep 29 11:21:52 yeah, anyway. i should actually remove application manager to not get tempted to to anything with it ;) Sep 29 11:21:57 to do Sep 29 11:22:08 Let's see if nokia-repository doesn't fuck up Extras this time around Sep 29 11:22:09 * Stskeeps wonders if he should upgrade to diablo :P Sep 29 11:22:15 otherwise I'm going on a murdering spree at Nokia. Sep 29 11:22:18 jott, you'll have to remove osso-software-version then Sep 29 11:22:23 johnx_: is there a way copy all network settings from diablo to chroot debian? Sep 29 11:22:35 johnx_: i use the -unlocked. that seems to get updated. Sep 29 11:22:46 WARNING, apt-get upgrading without o-s-v installed is likely to drop you into a reboot loop. Sep 29 11:22:50 jott, that depends on some version of app manager Sep 29 11:22:51 ah ok. yeah for removing it Sep 29 11:22:54 sure Sep 29 11:23:13 GeneralAntilles, doesn't matter if it's installed or not. it wanted to remove busybox for me Sep 29 11:23:15 maybe just delete the files ;P Sep 29 11:23:29 johnx_, don't leave the SDK repository on device. Sep 29 11:23:41 GeneralAntilles, lulz...extras gets disabled Sep 29 11:23:43 ahahaha Sep 29 11:23:48 johnx_, seriously? Sep 29 11:23:51 * Stskeeps hands GeneralAntilles ammo Sep 29 11:24:00 yup Sep 29 11:24:03 It always does that :( Sep 29 11:24:08 not sdk repo or extras-devel Sep 29 11:24:08 * GeneralAntilles shakes his head. Sep 29 11:24:11 just extras Sep 29 11:24:23 Where's konttori and m-vo and their heads for me to take off when I need them? Sep 29 11:24:24 Yes, _only_ extras. Sep 29 11:24:29 not my "chinook extras" or any of the other random entries...just the official one Sep 29 11:24:49 GeneralAntilles, test it on a clean tablet before you do anything. I wouldn't want to start a witch hunt ... if I'm wrong Sep 29 11:24:52 johnx_: will something like cp /etc/network/interfaces /media/mmc1/network/interfaces work? Sep 29 11:25:04 thux, maemo doesn't store settings there Sep 29 11:25:06 so, no Sep 29 11:25:16 Killing spree? You should use Nokia's wireless camera to document it! Sep 29 11:25:32 "murder recorded with internet tablet" Sep 29 11:25:44 non-standard maemo Sep 29 11:25:45 thux, it would require a script to drag the settings out of gconf and put them in the right place in debian... Sep 29 11:25:58 Of course there is no need to buy the cameras, you can pick them on the way as trophies Sep 29 11:26:01 that'd be a "where's your tablet today?" photo.. "next to the dead body of a nokia developer for disabling extras" Sep 29 11:26:02 Argh, and the SSU enables the banner on the desktop ;) Sep 29 11:26:33 Eww Sep 29 11:26:35 X-Fade, did it disable your extras too? or did I somehow do that to myself? Sep 29 11:26:38 There's a bug :) Sep 29 11:26:48 * johnx_ sees no banner Sep 29 11:26:53 johnx_: Nope, mine is disabled too. Sep 29 11:27:12 Oh man. Sep 29 11:27:14 ok, commence witch hunt Sep 29 11:27:20 johnx_: It did that with the other SSU too. Sep 29 11:27:26 * lcuk hides Sep 29 11:27:28 i have a strange feeling of deja vu Sep 29 11:27:37 X-Fade, I know....I figured there was no way they'd do it twice Sep 29 11:27:57 johnx_: I guess the script didn't get updated ;) Sep 29 11:28:10 X-Fade, and I have a wonky repo setup for testing things. It's not inconceivable that I had to disable it and forgot...but if it happened to you too... Sep 29 11:28:19 bleh i hate that the update stops icd... Sep 29 11:28:33 jott, yeah, can be problem inducing. Sep 29 11:28:37 jott: network-manager upgrades on debian is just as annoying Sep 29 11:28:42 (cutting ssh) Sep 29 11:28:58 GeneralAntilles: yeah last time it worked for me though :) Sep 29 11:29:11 it continued in the background without terminal attached Sep 29 11:29:16 * Jaffa goes to get lunch whilst it updates Sep 29 11:29:26 now i started it in a screen session :) Sep 29 11:29:39 Alright, maemo Extras http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ free non-free Sep 29 11:29:40 as i was prepared for this happening again ;) Sep 29 11:29:42 Enabled. Sep 29 11:30:30 Stskeeps: network-manager is a big pile of crap anyway :/ Sep 29 11:30:42 Sooooo, who wants to go update all the wikis? :P Sep 29 11:30:49 hi all! Sep 29 11:31:15 andre___, poke. Sep 29 11:31:48 pong Sep 29 11:32:01 4.1.2 -> Bugzilla Sep 29 11:32:11 jott: agreed, but with some patches it can be more useful :P Sep 29 11:32:38 Stskeeps: you can't patch the messy code. you would need a rewrite to make it sane. Sep 29 11:32:41 GeneralAntilles, did I miss an update? :) Sep 29 11:32:51 andre___, about 30 minutes ago. Sep 29 11:32:59 why they use Gconf to store network settings? Sep 29 11:33:01 haha. great tracking, congrats :) Sep 29 11:33:10 jott: i'd love something else than NM, but the other managers are .. crap Sep 29 11:33:12 Stskeeps: at least last time i looked at it i vomited in my mouth :P Sep 29 11:33:30 Stskeeps: yeah. unfortunately it's the only "working" solution atm. Sep 29 11:33:59 thux, what would you use? Sep 29 11:34:22 same way than all debians Sep 29 11:34:39 thux, network manager uses gconf Sep 29 11:34:59 thux, and /etc/network/interfaces only supports one ssid per wireless interface Sep 29 11:35:26 i have used wpa conf directly Sep 29 11:35:30 hm how the app-manager actually reacts on changed files in /etc ? Sep 29 11:35:53 thux, ah, with the config in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? Sep 29 11:35:56 just made me think as just apt-get shows the "==> Modified" message Sep 29 11:36:05 johnx_: yes Sep 29 11:36:17 thux, can you add networks as a user through a GUI? Sep 29 11:36:40 haven't tried ever Sep 29 11:36:55 but usually avoid guis Sep 29 11:36:59 johnx_: http://blog.crozat.net/2008/09/improving-boot-time-on-general-linux.html , interesting article Sep 29 11:39:07 hah my "extras" is still enabled :) Sep 29 11:40:43 * Jaffa 's upgrade has: reneabled the "OS2008" tableteer web shortcut applet, re-enabled quick contacts and - of course - disabled extras. Sep 29 11:41:11 yeah my desktop also got spam Sep 29 11:41:20 Weird Sep 29 11:41:30 well extras was left untouched :) Sep 29 11:41:40 X-Fade, the mailing lists being down has at least one positive side-effect. ;) Sep 29 11:42:08 :) Sep 29 11:42:58 GeneralAntilles: What? Productivity? :) Sep 29 11:43:29 People will have to take their idiotic "zOmG nokia broke mah tabletzzz" threads elsewhere. :D Sep 29 11:44:36 I really wish it wouldn't insist on downloading 30MB of PDFs with every update. Sep 29 11:45:36 Heh, indeed. Sep 29 11:46:21 I didn't even notice Sep 29 11:46:22 where does one buy a n810 currently? Sep 29 11:46:32 Um? Sep 29 11:46:36 Pretty much anywhere? Sep 29 11:46:47 pusling, what country are you in? Sep 29 11:46:51 johnx_: denmark Sep 29 11:47:15 pusling, get on your pushbike and ride to finland and invade nokia hq demanding a nice shiny new n810 :) Sep 29 11:47:41 <_julian__> where are the latest os2008 images for n800? Sep 29 11:47:43 (obviously for cash or other incentives) Sep 29 11:47:53 Hrm, no additional desktop applets here. Sep 29 11:47:59 _julian__, the latest image is 2008.23 Sep 29 11:48:03 * Jaffa loves it when igor & ragnar get into a debate on ITT :) Sep 29 11:48:07 <_julian__> johnx_: where can I grab that? Sep 29 11:48:12 GAN: iTT? Sep 29 11:48:16 _julian__, http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/ Sep 29 11:48:26 johnx_, ooh, really, where? Sep 29 11:48:27 lcuk: I got one that way, but I need a few more ;) Sep 29 11:48:41 GeneralAntilles, uhm, what? Sep 29 11:48:46 s/johnx_/Jaffa/ Sep 29 11:48:46 GeneralAntilles meant: Jaffa, ooh, really, where? Sep 29 11:49:14 GeneralAntilles, tab abuse! Sep 29 11:49:15 GeneralAntilles: #24 on http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23924&page=3 Sep 29 11:50:51 ragnar says odd things sometimes. Sep 29 11:51:14 Hrm Sep 29 11:51:17 Oh, right. Sep 29 11:51:28 No wonder I don't see new applets and it's whining at me about an update I already installed. Sep 29 11:51:31 Stupid initfs flash. Sep 29 11:52:35 Hrm Sep 29 11:52:37 Changelog Sep 29 12:14:50 GeneralAntilles: even on amazon.co.uk they dispatch n810 within 1-2 months ... Sep 29 12:15:25 Browser branding was updated. Sep 29 12:16:48 pusling: Expansys is a bit better: http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=158518 Sep 29 12:17:08 But still backorderd. Sep 29 12:17:56 * andre___ sees GeneralAntilles verifying all of his bug reports now ;-) Sep 29 12:19:05 still no changelog? Sep 29 12:19:43 no changelog - see the last thread on the mailing lists Sep 29 12:19:52 RST38h, I can make one up for you. interested? Sep 29 12:20:08 but let me correctly tag the Target Milestones of the public bugs so you can see part of what has been fixed Sep 29 12:20:19 johnx:Yep, except if you post it to itt more people will be able to make use of it =) Sep 29 12:20:47 RST38h, the new 2008.36-5 SSU adds crisp lettuce. The mild cheddar of the older 30-2 release is replaced with zesty pepper-jack cheese. Sep 29 12:20:50 there, made it up Sep 29 12:21:08 nah, such a changelog I can generate myself! =) Sep 29 12:21:48 jeez, then why did you ask me to do it? Sep 29 12:22:15 you volunteered =) Sep 29 12:23:19 Motorola Building a Huge Development Team for Android, With 350 Humanoids Sep 29 12:23:47 Giant Humanoid Robots Sep 29 12:24:01 With Baseball bats Sep 29 12:24:02 RST38h, I guess people will dev for android if you pay them, huh? Sep 29 12:24:33 johnx: Well, same is true for Maemo, so I wouldn't ironize about it... Sep 29 12:24:59 has anyone released a commercial app for maemo? Sep 29 12:25:03 This is more about Motorola's search for direction than about Android though Sep 29 12:25:07 johnx: Nokia. Sep 29 12:25:21 And it also pays lots of people to develop for it =) Sep 29 12:26:17 johnx_: DejaPim was one; there was another game type one for the 770 IIRC; the restaurant survey people are using them commercially, even though it's not a commercial app per se Sep 29 12:26:22 actually I guess there's a few Sep 29 12:26:45 skype, gizmo, boingo, and "maps" Sep 29 12:27:00 Rhapsody Sep 29 12:27:08 johnx: Do not forget MicroB, Modest, and other builtin apps Sep 29 12:27:09 Mostly service-oriented Sep 29 12:27:11 Go to the tableteer page to see a list. Sep 29 12:27:18 johnx: Nokia is paying to develop and maintain them Sep 29 12:27:32 johnx_, that'd be "Map" Sep 29 12:27:39 GeneralAntilles, ah, just one? Sep 29 12:27:46 Yeah Sep 29 12:27:53 Really ridiculously sad name. Sep 29 12:27:55 GeneralAntilles, I wish they'd make it bigger, so it covered more of the world Sep 29 12:28:59 I hate updating all these damn wiki pages with new versions. Sep 29 12:29:17 Made a rod for your own back, there Sep 29 12:29:18 How about not mentioning the current version in the wiki? Sep 29 12:30:24 Things like wikipedia do need to Sep 29 12:30:25 RST38h, and not conforming to 99% of the rest of the software/computing articles? Sep 29 12:30:36 Or not ever having an up-to-date release history table. Sep 29 12:34:00 GAN: Well you can get sneaky about it Sep 29 12:34:25 GAN: Like say "latest version" and enclose it into to the latest version announcement Sep 29 12:34:52 Or maybe a link to a single wiki article that always describes the latest version Sep 29 12:35:06 Yeah, no. Sep 29 12:36:03 create a Template:LatestVersion page or something, and then just use {{LatestVersion}} in the actual pages? Sep 29 12:36:24 hola Sep 29 12:36:28 No Sep 29 12:36:34 hi lopz Sep 29 12:37:20 MicroB, Modest, Maemo (infobox and table), then the Maemo Wiki. Sep 29 12:38:54 GeneralAntilles: lamer Sep 29 12:41:22 Does anybody know a claws-mail developer? Sep 29 12:41:51 Heh Sep 29 12:41:54 doubtful Sep 29 12:43:47 X-Fade: developer or 'maemo maintainer'? Sep 29 12:43:59 * jott wonders how long it will take to get the new kernel sources Sep 29 12:44:28 As far as I know, there's only one claws developer Sep 29 12:44:47 It's surprising that GeneralAntilles gets heat for doing the right & comprehensive thing. Sep 29 12:44:49 hrw: I'm trying to get rid of some external repsitories. And claws is one of them ;) Sep 29 12:45:09 jott, they'll be released when the next new version is out. ;) Sep 29 12:45:27 X-Fade: Isn't Paul also the one that maintains the claws-mail for maemo repo? Sep 29 12:45:40 X-Fade: his email's on the site Sep 29 12:46:09 the claws-mail site, I mean Sep 29 12:46:10 Navi: I contacted J.L Biord already. He has the garage project for it too. Sep 29 12:46:16 k Sep 29 12:46:46 GeneralAntilles: especially as the changelog is funny as usual. Sep 29 12:47:01 * Updated kernel version 2.6.21-200835maemo1 Sep 29 12:47:11 what a change. Sep 29 12:47:13 Hehe Sep 29 12:47:15 hah Sep 29 12:47:35 Well, not an _entirely_ invalid changelog for the package used to pull in the kernel. Sep 29 12:47:47 Anyone run the changelog summary scripts from last time? Sep 29 12:47:51 That's not _exactly_ the kernel itself. Sep 29 12:47:54 heh yeah indeed Sep 29 12:47:55 Jaffa, not so far. Sep 29 12:48:15 otoh it contains the kernel image :/ Sep 29 12:48:35 Nokia should just give up trying, though, and just put "We updated the package to " for all the changelog entries. Sep 29 12:49:08 "* Bumped version." Sep 29 12:49:09 Isn't it what they do? Sep 29 12:49:12 X-Fade: so you do not want developer but 'maemo maintainer'' Sep 29 12:49:32 I asked that earlier Sep 29 12:49:37 Are they not the same people? Sep 29 12:49:39 :P Sep 29 12:49:50 RST38h, for the most part, but there are a few holdouts. ;) Sep 29 12:50:02 * RST38h finds it insensitive of people to talk about the latest Diablo update when he still has 5 hours until getting home =) Sep 29 12:50:06 X-Fade: isn't claws in extras? Sep 29 12:50:10 hrw, he wants whatever person's in charge of the Maemo repository for Claws. Sep 29 12:50:12 hrw: Yeah, but I guess i already found out.. Sep 29 12:50:23 GAN: BTW, this stuff can probably be generated automatically from their deb metadata Sep 29 12:50:28 mikkov_: Yes, but they also have their own. Old/outdated repo. Sep 29 12:50:46 RST38h: you can start to rant right now, makes it less painful when you are home :) Sep 29 12:50:49 mikkov_: And I want to get it removed, so we can get the number of repositories down. Sep 29 12:51:43 jott: No! I will maintain the appearance of fairness whatever it takes! =) Sep 29 12:52:08 X-Fade: you mean from the gronmayer? Sep 29 12:52:22 mikkov_: Well, the actual repo too ;) Sep 29 12:52:59 X-Fade, has ferenc even had 5 minutes of extra time to put towards packages.maemo.org? Sep 29 12:53:16 what's packages.maemo.org? Sep 29 12:53:36 Likely a similar thing to packages.debian.org or gronmayer.com/it Sep 29 12:53:40 Except with less suck. Sep 29 12:53:47 GeneralAntilles: I don't know. It is still on the todo, I guess. Sep 29 12:54:01 I think something like that could go a ways towards pushing people away from crap repositories. Sep 29 12:54:34 GAN: is it something that can make use of PackRat? Sep 29 12:54:40 gronmayer is the only option otherwise and it's just a gateway to crap repos. Sep 29 12:54:48 RST38h: yeah just packrat without 3rd party repos :) Sep 29 12:55:12 GeneralAntilles: Well that is a symptom, I want to kill it at the root too ;) Sep 29 12:55:13 jott: Packrat doesn't really care - it will scan whatever you feed to it Sep 29 12:55:18 Hell, maybe just pick up PackRat and move it to a maemo.org domain? Sep 29 12:55:19 RST38h: sure. Sep 29 12:55:36 RST38h: just saying to make it "clean". Sep 29 12:55:41 gronmayer is a gateway drug Sep 29 12:55:44 so dirty Sep 29 12:55:47 Well packages has the nice advantage of showing dependencies and sources etc. Sep 29 12:55:55 X-Fade, right, killing the pushers is the real solution, but preventing people from becoming users also helps. ;) Sep 29 12:55:56 X-Fade, any progress? Sep 29 12:55:58 jott: To be fair, I get repo lists off gronmayer =) Sep 29 12:56:08 Yeah, surely the source for that is open; given it's debian Sep 29 12:56:31 ubuntu uses it too.. Sep 29 12:56:41 slonopotamus: Our mail was down due to dns change. I've not forgotten it yet ;) Sep 29 12:56:50 X-Fade as long as packages are sane Sep 29 12:56:54 packages.debian.org is kinda difficult to use from the tablet though Sep 29 12:57:17 I tried to do something with 770/os2006 few days ago. python2.4/2.5 fights each other etc Sep 29 12:58:52 Jaffa, http://source.djpig.de/git/ Sep 29 13:03:09 "We were also a little annoyed by the constant come-ons for accessories and plug-ins -- plugging in the charger pops up an ad for a dock, for example" Sep 29 13:03:11 Haaa Sep 29 13:03:13 That's awesome. Sep 29 13:04:08 GeneralAntilles, what system is this? Sep 29 13:04:18 I'm filing a feature request for Nokia to include a link for buying carbon footprint offset credits with their hip "Unplug the charger" warning. Sep 29 13:04:19 Archos5? Sep 29 13:04:21 Archos 5 Sep 29 13:04:26 http://www.engadget.com/photos/archos-5-unboxing-and-hands-on/1059641/ Sep 29 13:04:51 oh gad. it actually charges *faster* with the dock? Sep 29 13:04:54 Zee French! Zee Eevil French! Sep 29 13:04:56 wow...crippleware Sep 29 13:05:16 Archos is complete and total fail. Sep 29 13:05:23 BTW, does it have a SCART connector? Sep 29 13:06:20 slonopotamus: Ok, I killed the task. Let's see what happens on the next build. Sep 29 13:07:14 slonopotamus: Logs can be found here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/db_4.6.21-8maemo1/ Sep 29 13:09:58 fyi: http://sse2.net/diablo-36.changes.gz extracted changelog.gz of the new packages. Sep 29 13:10:23 X-Fade, do I need to reupload? (actually I've already reuploaded after it hang but it didn't restart on another builder) Sep 29 13:10:23 (not filtering older entries just a bash oneliner :) Sep 29 13:10:27 thanks jott Sep 29 13:10:37 X-Fade, btw, that package successfully built on my n800 Sep 29 13:10:40 slonopotamus: No need to reupload as you already did that. Sep 29 13:10:51 so check dates for when the actual change happened Sep 29 13:10:52 slonopotamus: Build is already running again. Let's see what happens ;) Sep 29 13:10:55 ~jott++ Sep 29 13:10:55 X-Fade, ok Sep 29 13:10:56 jott, thanks! Sep 29 13:11:37 jott, you should send that one-liner to Nokia as a patch for their changelog process. ;) Sep 29 13:11:50 GAN: See? We now have a proper changelog! Sep 29 13:12:02 Pfft Sep 29 13:12:07 Of course, some folding using javascript would help, but it is ok this way too Sep 29 13:12:07 Wait until you see the entries in it. Sep 29 13:12:34 Fixed launch thumb kb from rocker logical id. Sep 29 13:12:40 Who is the rocker? Sep 29 13:12:48 * johnx_ is a rocker! Sep 29 13:13:03 * johnx_ rocks out Sep 29 13:13:33 "do not mark as expunged those messages that could not be retrieved due to the user canceled the request" Sep 29 13:13:36 X-Fade, cool, it failed Sep 29 13:13:44 good one Sep 29 13:13:48 X-Fade, woops, it's previos failure Sep 29 13:13:48 slonopotamus: Yeah, that was my kill ;) Sep 29 13:14:08 have they fixed failures to start modest when clicking on a message title (from the left-bottom corner notifier)? Sep 29 13:14:14 slonopotamus: But you see in the logs that it got stuck somewhere in the tests. Sep 29 13:14:23 X-Fade, where I can see that? Sep 29 13:14:31 tests are pretty long Sep 29 13:14:39 X-Fade, expecially 'logging' ones Sep 29 13:14:39 for i in $(ls *.deb); do mkdir tmp ; dpkg-deb -x $i tmp/ ; echo "****************** $i ******************" >> diablo-36.changes ; zcat $(find tmp/ -name changelog.gz)>> diablo-36.changes ; rm -rf tmp/ ; done Sep 29 13:14:53 slonopotamus: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/db_4.6.21-8maemo1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Sep 29 13:15:11 X-Fade, 404 Sep 29 13:15:25 slonopotamus: Ah, new build is running ;) Sep 29 13:15:42 slonopotamus: Last line was: Running logging tests (15:44:00) Sep 29 13:15:55 X-Fade, half an hour on n800. Sep 29 13:16:08 X-Fade, logging tests i mean Sep 29 13:16:13 slonopotamus: Line before that: Running locking tests (15:00:54) Sep 29 13:16:20 X-Fade, builder1 should be faster, uh? Sep 29 13:16:32 slonopotamus: So locking already took 44 minutes ;) Sep 29 13:16:54 X-Fade, half an hour for logging tests to complete. Sep 29 13:17:11 brb Sep 29 13:17:11 ah i missed some files. Sep 29 13:21:35 ok now it should be more complete: http://sse2.net/diablo-36.changes.gz Sep 29 13:22:43 jott: ta Sep 29 13:23:05 hmm... fun.. the post-commit hook that was supposed to update my kde.garage.maemo.org site failed with some weird permission denied errors... Sep 29 13:23:30 I thought "Fixed: NB#82614" was bad, but "Fixes:" is worse. Sep 29 13:23:39 grep -c NB diablo-36.changes Sep 29 13:23:40 8343 Sep 29 13:23:44 Ha Sep 29 13:23:45 funny fact: ^^ :) Sep 29 13:24:18 osso-connectivity-ui appears twice in the log Sep 29 13:24:19 Mek: did you create the svn recently? Sep 29 13:24:50 X-Fade: no, it worked a few minutes earlier just fine... Sep 29 13:24:57 ah, and now it works fine again too... Sep 29 13:25:14 or maybe even three times Sep 29 13:25:26 RST38h: hmm yeah probably a split-build always with the same changelog file. Sep 29 13:26:10 * Implementation and implementing Sep 29 13:26:13 (as in "osso-connectivity-ui" source package actually creates 3 packages) Sep 29 13:26:17 * Lots of coding happened Sep 29 13:26:23 ha Sep 29 13:26:23 jott: oh Sep 29 13:26:38 And you are complaining about the NB change lines Sep 29 13:26:47 it's just a bash oneline without any parsing :) Sep 29 13:27:29 jott: this is just asking for a perl script which prints in html =) Sep 29 13:27:39 go ahead. Sep 29 13:27:52 And adds a date filter since the last release ;) Sep 29 13:27:57 yeah Sep 29 13:28:11 yes Sep 29 13:28:24 jott: Can I have your one-lier as a starter please? Sep 29 13:28:26 hi, any cx3110x wlan driver developer here ? Sep 29 13:28:26 should reduce file size quite a bit :) Sep 29 13:28:27 one-liner Sep 29 13:28:52 RST38h: for i in $(ls *.deb); do mkdir tmp ; dpkg-deb -x $i tmp/ ; echo "****************** $i ******************" >> diablo-36.changes ; zcat $(find tmp/ -name ?hangelog*.gz)>> diablo-36.changes ; rm -rf tmp/ ; done Sep 29 13:29:12 benno2, there's a list on its garage product. Sep 29 13:29:26 benno2: And try this one: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/stlc45xx/ Sep 29 13:29:27 mailing list, that is. Sep 29 13:29:43 RST38h/jott: if you update it, group them together by section and provide an index at the top Sep 29 13:29:55 X-Fade: thanks. but whats the difference between the cx3110x project and the stlc-45xx project ? Sep 29 13:29:57 X-Fade, everything is bad again? any plans to allow seeing build progress? Sep 29 13:30:01 Jaffa: I will write a PERL script Sep 29 13:30:01 Maybe as a tag cloud, if you're feeling flush ;-) Sep 29 13:30:14 Jaffa: But *only* if you promise it will get used Sep 29 13:30:22 slonopotamus: It is still running? Sep 29 13:30:23 i will use it :) Sep 29 13:30:24 * RST38h won't do job nobody needs =) Sep 29 13:30:41 * Jaffa will too, I'll update it if it's a good starting point, too Sep 29 13:30:56 X-Fade, looks like yes. Sep 29 13:31:26 RST38h: this assume a directory with (only) the new "deb" files in it btw. Sep 29 13:31:34 slonopotamus: You can see progress here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/db_4.6.21-8maemo1/ Sep 29 13:31:35 X-Fade, however I can't see build log (because it will only be available upon completion) Sep 29 13:31:38 slonopotamus: If there is any.. Sep 29 13:32:09 X-Fade, there isn't any build log Sep 29 13:32:10 RST38h: i guess parsing/diffing the different osso-software-version releases would be a good way. Sep 29 13:32:33 RST38h: so you would get a reference version plus all package names without big hacks. Sep 29 13:32:38 slonopotamus: No, it only syncs after parts of the build. armel/i386 . Sep 29 13:32:49 lemme start with your approach... Sep 29 13:33:24 hi - quick question... Is Fremantle source available anywhere yet? Sep 29 13:33:41 lbt: "November" probably Sep 29 13:33:48 lbt: No, alpha sdk is expected in november/december. Sep 29 13:34:01 OK. I have a bug that says it'll be fixed in Fremantle Sep 29 13:34:16 lbt: Altough some things might already be on stage. Sep 29 13:34:28 so I want to keep it open until I see Fremantle alpha/beta and verify it's OK Sep 29 13:34:42 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3589 Sep 29 13:34:50 X-Fade, yes. that's why I say that I can't see progress. Sep 29 13:34:52 multiboot support Sep 29 13:35:03 lbt, no. Sep 29 13:35:05 (or at least not breakage) Sep 29 13:35:18 lbt, it's actually entirely invalid for Fremantle. :p Sep 29 13:35:25 GAN800: ? Sep 29 13:35:27 slonopotamus: Me neither. I will file an enhancement request. Sep 29 13:35:27 as initfs is going out the door. Sep 29 13:36:20 I just feel that if it's open then I should be able to see the work so far... Sep 29 13:36:50 There really isn't any. Sep 29 13:36:52 like debian experimental (or sardine?) Sep 29 13:36:58 Will dpkg --info print the changes without unpacking the package? Sep 29 13:37:19 I know - this is an example of where such a thing would be good. Sep 29 13:37:23 lbt, you'll see it when there's something to see. Sep 29 13:37:37 i.e., November. Sep 29 13:37:39 OTOH, there's clearly something there Sep 29 13:37:50 There's nothing Fremantle to see yet. Sep 29 13:37:56 andre___: ping? Sep 29 13:37:58 RST38h: i think the changelog is not really part of the dpkg metadata. Sep 29 13:38:08 so what is Eero talking about? Sep 29 13:38:17 at this point I doubt fremantle is running as a standalone system Sep 29 13:38:18 too bad Sep 29 13:38:19 but there still might be a better way than mine. Sep 29 13:38:27 * RST38h does not want to unpack .debs Sep 29 13:38:32 X-Fade, pong Sep 29 13:38:46 has he accpepted multi-boot as a requirement? Sep 29 13:38:50 At this point they don't even have prototype hardware. Sep 29 13:38:52 lbt, no more initfs in fremantle. the decision was made but the implementation isn't done Sep 29 13:38:57 RST38h: dpkg has quite extensive perl bindings/functions. maybe something is in there. Sep 29 13:39:02 andre___: Can you add a component Stage to product Website? And set Marcell as owner? Sep 29 13:39:07 multiboot will work differently, but more than that no one knows Sep 29 13:39:16 X-Fade, sure :) Sep 29 13:39:22 (or so I surmise) Sep 29 13:39:38 lbt, if it's still an issue when we have something concrete, then open a new bug. Sep 29 13:39:39 so, my feeling is, that until the 'bug' is show resolved, it's still relevant... ? Sep 29 13:39:46 andre___: So I can file a bug against the old logo on stage ;) Sep 29 13:39:49 X-Fade, if you provide a description for that component... Sep 29 13:39:57 GAN800: that seems a bit late Sep 29 13:39:59 If the bug mentions initfs it's WONTFIC; Sep 29 13:40:01 RST38h: otoh the unpacking took like 3 seconds for all packages... Sep 29 13:40:04 IX. Sep 29 13:40:12 The UI consistency bug has been left open until the code fwhich fixes it is committed and/or the beta is shipped Sep 29 13:40:14 it's a bug in this release - I want it fixed for the next release Sep 29 13:40:21 lbt, they won't fix it in diablo/maemo4 and it's invalid for fremantle/maemo5 Sep 29 13:40:33 "we're doing it differently - if we don't fix it --- tell us then" Sep 29 13:40:38 it's like a bug on osso-email. Sep 29 13:40:55 lbt, yes, exactly Sep 29 13:41:03 andre___: Public Maemo svn repository web viewer ? Sep 29 13:41:05 johnx_: it's a bug in diablo - diablo won't multiboot Sep 29 13:41:13 so fix it for freemantle Sep 29 13:41:14 lbt, and they said WONTFIX Sep 29 13:41:21 and it aint gonna be fixed for Diablo. Sep 29 13:41:25 andre___: Or how would you describe this? https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/?root=maemo Sep 29 13:41:33 lbt, and for fremantle they won't have initfs Sep 29 13:41:38 not "see if we've fixed it and complain if we ain't" Sep 29 13:41:46 There's no point putting a lot of extra work in a dead architecture. Sep 29 13:41:48 I agree it's more a requirement Sep 29 13:41:58 X-Fade, done Sep 29 13:42:06 GAN800, that can be taken many ways :) Sep 29 13:42:21 I'm trying to be proactively positive BTW Sep 29 13:42:24 lbt, so open a wishlist, "some type of multiboot in fremantle" Sep 29 13:42:31 OK Sep 29 13:42:36 lbt, then open a new bug Sep 29 13:42:36 that's a good idea Sep 29 13:42:47 sure - that's why I was asking Sep 29 13:43:04 what's the sensible way to address this issue for fremantle :) Sep 29 13:43:35 not a random wishlist posting to irc or the wiki :) A followon from a reported bug in Diablo. Sep 29 13:43:47 See what happens with the alpha sdk and get with the devs. Sep 29 13:44:01 lbt, right, open a bug as an "enhancement request" I would assume Sep 29 13:44:28 though I wonder if multiboot will be handled differently on OMAP3 than OMAP2 Sep 29 13:45:10 Not really. Sep 29 13:45:23 The new boot architecture is the issue. Sep 29 13:45:31 Not the SoC Sep 29 13:46:04 and GAN - you are right to say 'architecture' - and that's not something a 'bug' should change. Sep 29 13:46:15 that's a fundamental use case Sep 29 13:46:15 GAN800, I was under the impression that OMAP3 could boot SD cards directly from an onboard PROM Sep 29 13:46:36 but there's millions of ways to setup a bootloader chain... Sep 29 13:46:46 Interesting: osso-connectivity-ui (1.4.23): "Updated to conform UI specifications v2.0" Sep 29 13:46:50 as should OMAP2 Sep 29 13:47:16 Jaffa, ah, the famous "UI spec" returns :D Sep 29 13:47:25 what's famous about it? Sep 29 13:47:29 No immediate differences in "Connectivity Settings" Sep 29 13:47:34 It's probably another name for the style guide Sep 29 13:47:53 RST38h, nice rock you're under. Sep 29 13:48:01 RST38h, there's some internal Nokia "UI spec" referenced a lot, and no one outside has seen it Sep 29 13:49:15 prolly a plain style guide Sep 29 13:49:26 dunno why you are so excited about it Sep 29 13:49:48 gimme omap2 docs and keep that ui spec to yourself =) Sep 29 13:50:37 RST38h, well a couple of bugs were closed with a message like "We're just following the UI spec" Sep 29 13:51:08 OK another thought - should an N800 with fremantle be able to boot to Diablo ? Sep 29 13:51:18 johnx: That is an euphemism to "don't bother us with your insignificant bugs"\ Sep 29 13:51:24 So I as a developer can develop for older platforms? Sep 29 13:51:40 lbt, that's another "no one knows, maybe" Sep 29 13:51:44 will fremantle even be able to run an an N800? :) Sep 29 13:52:22 "no one knows, probably to some degree" Sep 29 13:52:45 not until someone makes clutter run on it without being abysmal slow Sep 29 13:52:58 clutter won't be under the whole UI Sep 29 13:53:11 well but for desktop etc. Sep 29 13:53:16 and fremantle is more than just the UI... Sep 29 13:53:32 probably just the launcher or home screen and some fancy photo / media app Sep 29 13:53:43 so most likely some interdependencies... Sep 29 13:53:51 So I suppose the question is "when is end-of-support for the N8x0?" Sep 29 13:54:02 tomorrow Sep 29 13:54:08 like gtk offscreen renderer to get widgets as clutter actors, etc. Sep 29 13:54:12 lbt, "no one knows, probably before or after fremantle" Sep 29 13:54:24 :) just wondering.... Sep 29 13:54:38 hey all, anyone know what happened to http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux ? Sep 29 13:54:39 lbt, lots of people are, but there are no answers Sep 29 13:54:39 Ah, deblet, our saviour.... Sep 29 13:54:47 my solution is to not hold my breath waiting... Sep 29 13:54:48 well for now i would say there are no real resources put into it... Sep 29 13:54:53 ~flashing Sep 29 13:54:53 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 29 13:54:58 having to dig it up fromj http://web.archive.org/web/20071226133758/http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux now Sep 29 13:55:02 ok danke Sep 29 13:55:19 I just got an email about this bug and it prompted me to do my 'constructive reposnse' bit... Sep 29 13:55:26 maybe someone should tell http://www.arachnoid.com/linux/nokia/ heheh Sep 29 13:55:39 and they don't want to make everyone yell and rant right now... so say something indifferent.. Sep 29 13:56:30 jott: problem with your changelog is, of course, it doesn't stop at the last release ;-) Sep 29 13:56:44 Jaffa: yeah sure. Sep 29 13:56:45 multiboot on fremantle bug : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745 Sep 29 13:56:49 RST38h works on it :) Sep 29 13:57:01 Jaffa: but you can see it based on the dates. Sep 29 13:59:20 Hey jott! :) Sep 29 13:59:24 hey gnuton Sep 29 14:00:16 I have got the first version of a script Sep 29 14:00:30 hey gnuton :) Sep 29 14:00:35 Anyone wants to verify that it works? (I have no debs here and no dpkg-deb: it is a FreeBSD machine) Sep 29 14:01:05 N8x0 is teh r0x0rz ; pardon the spam - turret's syndrome, right.. Sep 29 14:01:42 RST38h: hah. you can use "ar" to extract :) Sep 29 14:01:49 but i can run it here to test it. Sep 29 14:01:58 jott: email? (msg) Sep 29 14:02:46 jott: not definitively, because you don't know what might have been on a branch when the previous release was made Sep 29 14:02:51 hax0rz with linux in teh p0ketz... ok, that'll be the last of that, I promise >^) Sep 29 14:02:57 jott: rockets away Sep 29 14:03:27 gnuton: on the current qt4 garagae site it is impossible to click on the Screenshots link in FF3, as the Qt logo completely covers it... (even though it is transparant) Sep 29 14:04:41 RST38h: does not work. perl does not support $() :) Sep 29 14:04:48 `` should do it i guess Sep 29 14:05:03 GeneralAntilles: Great to see your perfectly valid complaint about bug fixes was taken into account in the modest changelog 2008-08-27: "* Fixes: NB#86199, NB#86112, NB#86137, NB#86176, NB#86637, NB#87257 Sep 29 14:05:17 jott: OK Sep 29 14:05:25 jott: could you test it? Sep 29 14:05:38 Jaffa, what, you expected anything else? Sep 29 14:05:42 Hello Mek! :) Sep 29 14:05:45 yeah seems to work with backticks (and using zcat instead of fbsd gzcat :) Sep 29 14:05:57 Jaffa: You should sacrifice a few more iPhone users to the Great Green One Sep 29 14:05:59 What'd be *really* cool in a changelog generator, given the mess Nokians make of writing useful entries is querying Bugzilla for NB#\d+ in the alias field and seeing if it can be made a hyperlink into the open bugzilla issue Sep 29 14:06:10 Jaffa: And He will teach Nokia how to file changelogs Sep 29 14:06:36 Mek: are you aggregated your blog in maemo planet?? Sep 29 14:06:40 jott: hey, gzcat should be universal =) Sep 29 14:06:49 jott: Are you sure you do not have it? Sep 29 14:06:51 gnuton: I am Sep 29 14:07:24 hey, next time Space Ship One flys, someone should pay the pilot to take an N8x0 with him -- "first PDA in space!" or something... not sure if anyone's already come up on that title wrt the space shuttle, iss, or mir though... Sep 29 14:07:27 Mek: ok, great.. :) Sep 29 14:07:33 yeah. "zcat" should actually be universal but not necessarily gnu compatible :) Sep 29 14:07:45 let us leave it at gzcat then... Sep 29 14:07:52 just in case. Sep 29 14:08:03 but i don't have gzcat :P Sep 29 14:08:08 mhm Sep 29 14:08:15 ok, zcat it is then, freebsd has both Sep 29 14:08:16 maybe just use perl zlib :) Sep 29 14:08:18 gnuton: Did you see my mail about the qt4 repository on garage? Sep 29 14:08:26 jott: naaaah Sep 29 14:08:28 * RST38h lazy Sep 29 14:08:28 hey that flashing was easy. like, thanks, maemo folks Sep 29 14:08:51 pretty screen on the diablo firstbood Sep 29 14:10:57 dig it. diablo is teh beautz Sep 29 14:16:35 jott: sent another version, this one will try htmlizing the output a little bit (stupidly for now) Sep 29 14:37:50 Hi! I need to recompile the maemo diablo kernel Sep 29 14:38:05 where do i get the respective .config file of the original compiled kernel? Sep 29 14:38:26 make nokia_2420_defconfig Sep 29 14:39:34 qwerty12: ah, thanks a lot! Sep 29 14:40:10 No problems :). I learnt from: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html Sep 29 14:40:20 Though I used DIABLO_ARMEL to build the kernel Sep 29 14:43:42 yep, thats what im doing as well Sep 29 14:44:34 although the latest kernel source is not available yet. Sep 29 14:45:22 jott: mmm ... really? you mean im compiling a kernel thats older than the one in diablo? Sep 29 14:45:24 RST38h: hmm yeah, one problem is, that not all changelogs are "debian"-formatted :/ Sep 29 14:45:37 cuse: older than the one from todays SSU Sep 29 14:45:57 probably only wimax changes, but still :P Sep 29 14:46:25 jott: actually im trying to fix a bug in the wirelesse driver of the nokia Sep 29 14:46:44 jott: it hangs when leaving the access point range Sep 29 14:47:36 the stlc45xx one? Sep 29 14:51:36 jott: I am trying to find and use common patterns Sep 29 14:55:43 jott: no, ... i first thought about using that one, but then i read in the README that its still full of bugs Sep 29 14:55:52 jott: so i try to stick with the old one Sep 29 14:56:22 cuse, Hmm. It depends on where the problem is then. if it's in umac, it cannot be fixed but if it is in cx3100x then you can try and fix it Sep 29 14:56:32 cx3100x source is seperate to the kernel Sep 29 14:56:36 cx3100x (?) Sep 29 14:57:26 qwerty12: i guess its in cx3110 Sep 29 14:57:47 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/c/cx3110x-module-src/ Sep 29 14:57:59 yeah well as qwerty12 said, you are very limited on what you can do about the cx3110 module. Sep 29 14:58:06 qwerty12: yeah its separate to the kernel, but i need the kernel sources in order to be able to compile the modules Sep 29 14:58:13 and the stlc one really needs love :) Sep 29 14:58:19 :) Sep 29 14:58:37 :) yeah im sure about that, but i need a working wlan driver till tomorrow :) Sep 29 14:58:50 so no time to deal with new bugs Sep 29 14:58:57 If you can't get cx3110x driver to produce module that you can actually insmod on the device, let me know Sep 29 14:59:24 * qwerty12 had trouble with it so I grabbed fixes of the internet and put in one archive Sep 29 14:59:51 qwerty12: im yet unable to compile the cx3110 module sources, im getting invalid directory error messages yet Sep 29 15:02:55 Oh, you just need to change KSRC in the Makefile Sep 29 15:03:00 jott: Sent you one more version Sep 29 15:07:04 qwerty12: ah yeah right that did it Sep 29 15:07:19 In the meanwhile: New Gameboy DS to Include Camera, Music Sep 29 15:07:24 [be afraid] Sep 29 15:07:24 qwerty12: a got a couple undefined symbols warnings though, not sure if thats a problem Sep 29 15:07:39 cuse, yep. a big problem. Try insmodding it on the tablet >.< Sep 29 15:07:46 RST38h, so how's the DS emulation comiing along? :D Sep 29 15:07:54 RST38h, I think music has been done with flashcarts before :P Sep 29 15:07:54 johnxL not actively working on it Sep 29 15:07:58 yep Sep 29 15:08:03 but not very well Sep 29 15:08:11 cuse, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15-fixed.tar.bz2 Sep 29 15:08:18 I combined mamona fixes Sep 29 15:08:23 ok time to go home Sep 29 15:08:37 to my belowed n810... to give her a gift of an SSU update... Sep 29 15:08:45 cuse, You need to copy umac.ko from your tablet and put in root of the extracted folder from that archive Sep 29 15:08:49 hmm, i see a feature upgrade... Sep 29 15:09:40 t_s_o: what do you mean? Sep 29 15:10:20 summatusmentis, new SSU is out Sep 29 15:10:32 os2008 feature upgrade just showed up in app manager updates. seems to be some libs missing tho (syncml among them) and a conflict with the flash player Sep 29 15:11:00 t_s_o, if you applied the flash player versioning fix removei t Sep 29 15:11:10 as for syncml, i'd try disabling all other repos Sep 29 15:11:16 ok Sep 29 15:11:47 Lol @ bug 3566 -> http://flickr.com/photos/tigert/776106528/ Sep 29 15:11:49 johnx_: oh, I thought there were new features in maemo somewhere :) Sep 29 15:11:53 I was all excited Sep 29 15:12:10 summatusmentis, the browser is a little faster *shrugs* Sep 29 15:12:21 yep Sep 29 15:12:27 X-Fade, lol Sep 29 15:13:11 seems that removing the flash player version fix also got rid of my problem packages... here goes... Sep 29 15:13:46 hmm, 33MB install. i do not have that kind of free space on the device damn it! Sep 29 15:14:14 t_s_o: Be sure to remove the pdfs in your documents. Sep 29 15:14:22 X-Fade: they are long gone... Sep 29 15:14:31 t_s_o: Well, they will be back now ;) Sep 29 15:14:42 xohm is launching in baltimore today Sep 29 15:14:54 how so X-Fade? Sep 29 15:15:07 t_s_o: They are a big part of that 33MB.. Sep 29 15:15:21 whiskey tango foxtrot... Sep 29 15:15:55 IIRC, they're user manuals. Which would need updating when there's a new OS release... Sep 29 15:15:57 X-Fade: actually the biggest part of it :) Sep 29 15:15:59 t_s_o, well, what if you lost your user guide? now you have it back! Sep 29 15:16:36 * qwerty12 has never read the user guide instead preferring to read bash for n00bs instead Sep 29 15:17:17 qwerty12: yeah, but you (and the rest of this channel) aren't really the people the user guide is aimed at :-) Sep 29 15:17:18 hmm, biggest single installed item currently, that app manager is able to show, is pidgin data at 21MB, after that its map at 9,9MB... Sep 29 15:17:34 ccooke, true :) Sep 29 15:17:38 i got about 20MB free on the device... Sep 29 15:18:00 uninstall pidgin, install the update, delete the pdfs, reinstall? Sep 29 15:18:12 hahahaha http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/apfel/modern_stuff.gif Sep 29 15:18:24 problem is that i do not have pidgin installed, pidgin-data is being using by rfcomm... Sep 29 15:19:26 qwerty12: now it looks much better !!! lets see if i can insmod it now Sep 29 15:19:33 t_s_o: just run your system from sd card - 256mb are just too small for a proper os installation :) Sep 29 15:20:11 jott: i dont feel like doing a clone right now, just to do a damned os update... Sep 29 15:20:15 t_s_o, dpkg -L pidgin-data and tar.bz2 any massive files and move them to memory card for the time being Sep 29 15:20:18 cuse, cool :) Sep 29 15:20:26 had me stumped for a long while too :/ Sep 29 15:20:43 t_s_o: it's *in general* much more convenient not just for an os update :) Sep 29 15:21:03 jott: may be, but i also do not have a empty sd card to use... Sep 29 15:22:25 its just bothersome that app manager cant do something simple as follow the dep tree in reverse when i want to remove pidgin-data... Sep 29 15:22:48 apt-get ftw Sep 29 15:23:44 indeed, nokia really needs to hand over more "control" to the community. a better app manager would have been in development within days if that was the case imo... Sep 29 15:24:05 In all fairness to nokia, the code is available for us to do whatever with it Sep 29 15:24:19 the app manager code? Sep 29 15:24:30 yeah, it's in garage Sep 29 15:25:41 weird, apt-get wants to upgrade libpurple... Sep 29 15:25:41 and in the end it's just apt so you could probably even use synaptic [or what ever] (maybe 1-2 patches needed) Sep 29 15:25:57 we don't need an app manger. we need an app store Sep 29 15:26:26 for a nominal fee, chargeable to MangoFusion Sep 29 15:26:28 ;) Sep 29 15:26:33 * jott prepares his "I am rich!" application Sep 29 15:26:45 jott: I'm free is already in extras ;) Sep 29 15:26:49 i know :) Sep 29 15:26:58 but that does not make *me* rich :P Sep 29 15:27:00 I'm sure that one is better ;) Sep 29 15:27:30 holy handheld; is it just me or is it update day today? Sep 29 15:27:54 sure is... Sep 29 15:28:14 yup. user guide update day to be specific Sep 29 15:28:16 hmm, should i make sure i have double the needed space available... Sep 29 15:28:40 bah, i dont care, i made a backup, here goes! Sep 29 15:28:46 t_s_o: I upgraded with 38MB free. Sep 29 15:29:10 freed up about 37 Sep 29 15:29:12 i upgraded with 400mb free :p Sep 29 15:29:22 showoff :P Sep 29 15:29:22 man, where did all the space went? Sep 29 15:29:32 X-Fade: Operating System update, or just `update all'? Sep 29 15:29:46 jott, if you can point me to a nondestructive way of putting the os on a sd card, im game... Sep 29 15:29:56 I'd update but I fucked up my charger again >.< Sep 29 15:29:59 ~sd-cloning Sep 29 15:30:10 ~sdsomethingsomething Sep 29 15:30:12 ~boot-sd Sep 29 15:30:13 boot-sd is probably https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Sep 29 15:30:14 ah Sep 29 15:30:16 thx :) Sep 29 15:30:18 qwerty12: get yourself a universal nokia charger ;) Sep 29 15:30:20 isn't there that deb package which automagically does it? Sep 29 15:30:49 t_s_o, yeah, lol, I swear smoke was coming out my current charger... Sep 29 15:31:33 qwerty12: if that was a everun note you where talking about, i would have wondered if you where steve paine ;) Sep 29 15:32:18 nothing quite stinks like releasing the magic smoke from a 900$+ palmtop ;) Sep 29 15:33:26 ~curse windows registry Sep 29 15:33:27 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, windows registry ! Sep 29 15:34:09 hmm, those curses are becoming predictable... Sep 29 15:34:36 ~kill infobot Sep 29 15:34:37 * infobot shoots a super-inverse fluxpositrino gun at infobot Sep 29 15:34:38 s/windows/gconf Sep 29 15:34:41 that everun looks aweful Sep 29 15:34:54 at least the keyboard does Sep 29 15:35:19 * qwerty12 needs to speed up reinstalling grub to save me from windows dementia Sep 29 15:39:18 ok, device restart, fingers crossed... Sep 29 15:39:42 yikes. looks like ninja's have infiltrated my device and disabled the extras repository Sep 29 15:40:13 MangoFusion, ahaha Sep 29 15:40:25 they left you user guides in many languages as a consolation prize Sep 29 15:40:25 the ssu keeps doing that, huh... Sep 29 15:41:17 and now they've snapped some covert snapshots from the camera app, they've restarted my tablet to presumably get rid of the evidence Sep 29 15:41:38 sneaky ninja's Sep 29 15:41:49 looks like i could have saved myself the clean up job. it used maybe 1MB Sep 29 15:42:51 and reactivated tableteer info and speed contacts applets... Sep 29 15:43:37 yay! some people had those disabled. this update was to fix that situation :) Sep 29 15:43:49 johnx_: have you seen these ninja's before? i too seem to have been left with user guides in everything from pig latin to engrish Sep 29 15:44:16 MangoFusion, they left me presents as well, but no tableteer button or speed contacts Sep 29 15:44:53 now i got a button and speed contacts. could this indicate something? Sep 29 15:46:05 must be some ninja conspiracy at least Sep 29 15:46:12 oh definitely Sep 29 15:46:17 I think they're in league with Nokia Sep 29 15:46:39 finnish ninjas? that's got to be it! Sep 29 15:51:33 funny, it may be that the update of libpurple that apt-get did, removed the need for pidgin-data... Sep 29 15:52:25 sometimes this feels like being back in windows, poking at random bits to see if it "fixes" a issue... Sep 29 15:53:09 why does the Feature upgrade conflict with adobe-flashplayer >= 2.51-2 btw? Sep 29 15:53:30 that was just a version "fix" done by the community... Sep 29 15:53:34 t_s_o, if you applied the flash player versioning fix removei t Sep 29 15:54:01 yeah, but it conflicts against everything higher than that version Sep 29 15:54:12 and now the feature upgrade doesn't want to install Sep 29 15:54:23 hm Sep 29 15:55:05 i have adobe-flashplayer 2.51-1 Sep 29 15:55:21 and there's an update to 2.53 Sep 29 15:57:14 hrmf, now i cant get chat to connect to msn any more... Sep 29 15:58:45 this sucks; i can't update because of that conflict, and it wants to install 2.53-1 itself too Sep 29 15:58:49 from tableteer Sep 29 15:59:13 did you try uninstalling the existing one? Sep 29 16:00:21 ugh, i vish that chat didnt connect in "invisible mode" to check peoples status whenever i open the window Sep 29 16:00:25 wish Sep 29 16:00:27 if i do, it'll remove osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked too Sep 29 16:00:37 i have 2.51-1 now Sep 29 16:00:47 :S Sep 29 16:00:56 ah, unlocked... Sep 29 16:00:58 ugh Sep 29 16:01:17 that's an issue? :) Sep 29 16:03:00 could be, last time i messed around with it, i got a non-bootable tablet that required a reflash... Sep 29 16:04:19 meh Sep 29 16:04:36 t_s_o: maybe i should try to downgrade that package to non-unlocked? Sep 29 16:04:59 i installed the -unlocked because other packages where on hold because of strict version dependencies Sep 29 16:05:01 i cant say if thats possible or not, out of my league Sep 29 16:05:10 kk Sep 29 16:05:24 * aquatix investigates the matter on ITT Sep 29 16:06:16 anyone here ever gotten SIG11 errors with qemu on the diablo sdk? Sep 29 16:09:45 MangoFusion: qemu crashing is something you should get used to :P Sep 29 16:09:51 MangoFusion, yeah. Maybe try a new version of qemu Sep 29 16:10:18 MangoFusion: http://qemu-arm-eabi.wiki.sourceforge.net/ Sep 29 16:11:01 is there any standard way of plonking a compiler on the device itself? Sep 29 16:11:22 soooo, anyone tried upgrading with osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked installed? Sep 29 16:11:33 MangoFusion: for now, add sdk repositories, install build-essentials and remove the sdk repository again. Sep 29 16:11:51 aquatix: yes, seems to work here. Sep 29 16:11:51 aquatix, I had 34 unlocked. went fine Sep 29 16:11:59 hm Sep 29 16:12:03 (also with rx44) Sep 29 16:12:08 it conflicts with the adobe-flashplayer update Sep 29 16:13:32 Feature upgrade conflicts with adobe-flashplayer >= 2.51-2 while i have 2.51-1 and 2.53-1 is about to be installed from nokia Sep 29 16:13:39 * aquatix is puzzled Sep 29 16:36:44 jott: looks like i have "maemo-cplusplus-device-env" in the package list. reckon i should try it? Sep 29 16:37:35 MangoFusion, you have lots of space and you're backed up, right? Sep 29 16:37:39 yeah Sep 29 16:37:45 is that just for debugging or something? Sep 29 16:37:53 MangoFusion: apt-cache depends tells me it's just installing a bunch of -dbg pacakges Sep 29 16:38:02 ah ok then Sep 29 16:38:30 there should be a build-essential package in the sdk repo Sep 29 16:38:43 lemme see if i can find the right repo Sep 29 16:38:53 500 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free Packages Sep 29 16:39:08 just add the sdk repositories. Sep 29 16:39:14 and keep in mind to remove them afterwarsd Sep 29 16:43:27 fun, i just broke my wifi Sep 29 16:47:53 jott: thanks for the tip. looks like its grabbing the right packages now Sep 29 16:51:02 damn, the next time i'll be using apt-get again :/ Sep 29 16:51:41 any idea where exactly the updates are located? Sep 29 16:52:04 i found http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/ but that page shows up empty Sep 29 16:52:05 Know the password? Sep 29 16:52:11 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo Sep 29 16:52:23 * aquatix wanted to download some packages, as his wifi broke with Update all Sep 29 16:52:40 ah, i'll have to look up the pw Sep 29 16:53:10 aquatix: hah yeah i gave app manager a 5 second chance but it failed for again for me. apt-get worked fine tough. Sep 29 16:53:21 .. Sep 29 16:53:21 jott: :) Sep 29 16:53:37 problem is that my connection stuff is now semi-broken Sep 29 16:53:42 so wifi doesn't work Sep 29 16:53:45 woo! :) Sep 29 16:53:49 halfway through my updates Sep 29 16:54:06 but it should have fetched everything Sep 29 16:54:18 the appmanager? Sep 29 16:54:39 oh. the app manager does not fetch all files before?! Sep 29 16:54:41 ugh. Sep 29 16:55:03 no Sep 29 16:55:08 backward piece of crap Sep 29 16:56:37 Does anybody know if the roaming bug was fixed in the open source wlan driver? Sep 29 16:57:29 With the closed one it always closes the wlan connection when it goes out of the access point range and all net applications freeze until one manually restarts wlan Sep 29 17:02:28 * Stskeeps goes prepare his tablet for diablo.. Sep 29 17:09:09 rah recurrencies are really borring me Sep 29 17:12:08 or is it possible to write a simple shell script that restart the wlan connection? Sep 29 17:13:06 its hard for me to debug this problem with the cx3110x driver Sep 29 17:13:26 i see in dmesg that it closes softmac, but theres no hint why it does so Sep 29 17:15:15 ifconfig wlan0 up/down? :P Sep 29 17:17:15 Stskeeps: ok, but i also have to tell it to which access point to connec to Sep 29 17:17:22 mm Sep 29 17:17:29 you can possibly do that with dbus stuff Sep 29 17:18:02 ah you mean i could access that applet on the upper screen with dbus? Sep 29 17:24:12 hmm, after flashing whole fiasco image, is it natural it's stuck at usb screen and screen (finished) flash bar? Sep 29 17:24:20 do i need to wait or pull out usb? :P Sep 29 17:25:05 Sts, if the flasher program says "Finished flashing", just pull out the usb Sep 29 17:25:23 inz: probably forgot -b line or something Sep 29 17:25:32 Sts, probably, yes Sep 29 17:25:42 yay booting Sep 29 17:31:29 compiling on the device sure is... err.... fast Sep 29 17:31:32 :D Sep 29 17:31:45 stop complaining, i once tried to compile the linux kernel on it Sep 29 17:31:46 :P Sep 29 17:31:53 get a qemu-arm or something Sep 29 17:32:03 are we talking daily or monthly here? ;) Sep 29 17:32:36 well the reason i am using the device itself is because i couldn't get qemu to work without barfing up Sep 29 17:32:48 * Khertan_n810 are currently completly rewriting the mCalendar database and events retriever engine Sep 29 17:32:57 MangoFusion: could always buy a beagleboard :P Sep 29 17:33:25 is it legal to ask here for the password of http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo ? Sep 29 17:33:45 aquatix: i can describe the algorithm for you :P Sep 29 17:33:54 i need some of the osso-connectivity packages :/ Sep 29 17:33:59 Stskeeps: ah, please do :) Sep 29 17:34:00 hmm could do. not quite a maemo expert yet though so i'd probably just get it, scream in excitement, then get nothing done at all Sep 29 17:43:43 aquatix: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/apt-0.7.6maemo2/http-tablet-identification.patch Sep 29 17:43:46 Khertan_n810: did they change something on the google side? Sep 29 17:43:58 * moontiger goes back to teaching Sep 29 17:44:02 moontiger: about what ? Sep 29 17:44:22 except some stupid repeat by day setting Sep 29 17:44:29 on a month Sep 29 17:44:58 like BYDAY=4FR for the fourth Friday of the month Sep 29 18:00:24 jott: ah, thanks Sep 29 18:00:32 i found it out already though :) Sep 29 18:00:45 * aquatix copies some .deb's to microsd Sep 29 18:08:20 * Khertan_n810 now understand more the agile methodology Sep 29 18:09:29 crash and burn? Sep 29 18:09:29 :P Sep 29 18:13:32 i want to be in january !!!! Sep 29 18:13:51 battlestar galactica saison 4 part 2 ! Sep 29 18:13:56 * Stskeeps is setting up his tablet from fresh Sep 29 18:16:18 but indeed, the new update does make the browser a lot faster Sep 29 18:18:05 Stskeeps: you come from chinook, right? :) Sep 29 18:18:09 jott: yeah Sep 29 18:18:14 and a severely raped system Sep 29 18:20:51 Khertan_n810, buy a time machine from ebay Sep 29 18:21:22 anyone else having problem with homeuptime? :P Sep 29 18:21:53 can't seem to make it work Sep 29 18:22:10 a time machine ... i prefer to invest in buying piece to build my teleport machine Sep 29 18:22:25 Stskeeps: nope no problem here Sep 29 18:22:26 * RST38h prefers the doomsday Weapon Sep 29 19:05:57 * lcuk burps quietly Sep 29 19:06:16 * lcuk tosses a coin, code or relax Sep 29 19:06:43 * jaska watches it drop on side Sep 29 19:07:02 damn! Sep 29 19:07:23 so what, ive gotta be coding whilst watchin a movie with the missus? Sep 29 19:11:14 make a movie of you coding relaxedly? Sep 29 19:11:21 relax by coding? Sep 29 19:11:51 lol Sep 29 19:11:58 code up a movie :D Sep 29 19:12:23 * lcuk tends to relax playin wiv liqbase nowadays :) Sep 29 19:13:08 $100 16GB MicroSDHC card Sep 29 19:13:21 sounds expensive but is it ? Sep 29 19:13:21 My laptop has 30GB HD. Hehe Sep 29 19:13:25 Ev'ning. Sep 29 19:13:33 \o hey jaffffffa Sep 29 19:13:53 $100 is not particulrly expensive but I would wait until it hits $60 or so Sep 29 19:13:57 Moo, jaffa Sep 29 19:14:16 ive got a 1gb card in mine and i hope it will suffice Sep 29 19:14:31 sketches arent very memory hungry :) Sep 29 19:14:56 by the way, ive been thinking about exporting to svg, but i cant do the stamp tool thing with that, infinite recursion would be lost :( Sep 29 19:15:55 replace stamps with rectangles Sep 29 19:16:38 but thats pisspoor Sep 29 19:16:54 i get mutliple complete recursive elements naturally in liqbase Sep 29 19:17:36 solar cells reached 40.6% efficiency Sep 29 19:17:41 incredible stuff Sep 29 19:17:52 yer tis Sep 29 19:18:06 its amazing what the price of oil can do to scientists Sep 29 19:19:47 bbl anyway Sep 29 19:20:42 * Jaffa gets to "Experience" and "Intelligence of Maemo Software" in jussi's email and says to himself, "I'll come back to this later" ;-) Sep 29 19:21:43 RST38h: "TFA is slashdotted, but a little googling shows this happened two years ago." :) Sep 29 19:22:03 http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/12/new_world_recor.php Sep 29 19:22:08 Heh Sep 29 19:22:20 * GeneralAntilles shoots jussi for using "Maemo.org" Sep 29 19:23:17 Must have some fatal flow then, given that we are not seeing those cells Sep 29 19:23:28 Was wondering if I can manipulate / change what programs load when i access them through nokia's file manager? Sep 29 19:24:06 nokia's file manager - i mean the one that comes preloaded w/ the n800 Sep 29 19:24:52 hehe, we should expect newly update diablo to waste battery :))) Sep 29 19:26:32 the google search applet has a blinking cursor now. Sep 29 19:27:22 hey Mousey Sep 29 19:27:30 RST38h: some people will never learn.. Sep 29 19:27:33 mornin Sep 29 19:28:05 still havent bothered with host mode on the n810 Sep 29 19:28:57 which is latest version btw Sep 29 19:29:13 hrw: well, to hell with some people, it is my battery that will get drained Sep 29 19:30:00 is emelFM2 a better alternative? Sep 29 19:30:05 no Sep 29 19:30:05 Mousey, sorry i never emailed, i still need to work though my defcon notes Sep 29 19:30:54 midnight commander - i don't know how to use and is buggy Sep 29 19:30:59 no worries, defcon is all kind of a vague blur anyway, i've moved my entire house across two state lines since then. ^_^ Sep 29 19:31:01 mc is not buggy Sep 29 19:31:21 guess I better go back to the manual then Sep 29 19:32:04 brick by brick? thats a lot of walking... Sep 29 19:32:23 I'm looking for a file manager that will allow me to connect via bluetooth, shared folders (sshfs, nfs, cifs) Sep 29 19:32:51 but also allow me to change what programs I want to use when i click on a file Sep 29 19:32:56 strafe: and it has to be for maemo? Sep 29 19:33:04 not necessarily Sep 29 19:33:15 nautilus? dolphin? Sep 29 19:33:22 i was thinking the same thing Sep 29 19:33:34 but do I have to load debain? Sep 29 19:33:36 dolphin == fail Sep 29 19:33:42 konqueror == win! Sep 29 19:33:50 debain / debian Sep 29 19:33:52 Mousey: especially in kde4? Sep 29 19:34:11 RST38h: it alqays did? or at least in the w30 Sep 29 19:34:14 always even Sep 29 19:34:24 no matter Sep 29 19:34:31 both dolphin and konqueror run juts fine on maemo :P Sep 29 19:34:32 konqueror > dolphin Sep 29 19:34:37 any suggestions? Sep 29 19:34:43 http://kde.garage.maemo.org/screenshots_kdebase.html Sep 29 19:34:59 Mousey: in kde4 konqueror use delphin kpart for file management ;D Sep 29 19:35:00 now if something were to blink while blanked, then you file a bug :) Sep 29 19:35:03 anyone ordering a pandora tomorrow? Sep 29 19:35:44 Mek: please.... let those 'kde porters' start thinging of 'kde on n8x0' instead of 'kde on maemo' Sep 29 19:35:50 are the repos on maemo? Sep 29 19:36:06 hrw: hmm? why? Sep 29 19:36:13 hrw, no matter, as long as i can have webpages or fish:// in another tab.. oh, and an icon navigation view that goes deeper than one frickin' level Sep 29 19:36:29 * Mousey realizes he's being dragged offtopic Sep 29 19:36:47 hrw: I only have an n810, but it should run on anything that can run diablo I guess... Sep 29 19:36:53 Mek: because kde is one desktop environment when maemo is other Sep 29 19:37:02 s/maemo/hildon Sep 29 19:37:07 / Sep 29 19:37:20 using kde apps inside of maemo is just wasting space due to left/top taskbars Sep 29 19:37:30 hrw: this is not about the desktop environment, but about the applications; kde is more than just the desktop environment Sep 29 19:37:57 Mousey: ok, let it be hildon Sep 29 19:37:58 Using linux as my main OS, I've played w/ a few converters for video for linux. Any reccomendations as to what I should use that has support for most media formats / codecs? Sep 29 19:38:12 i don't see why you couldn't have konqueror in hildon Sep 29 19:38:25 or whatever Sep 29 19:38:26 they're just Xclients Sep 29 19:38:26 plasma is about the only app that doesn't make sense in hildon Sep 29 19:38:43 I prefer to run whole kde desktop instead of hildon toolbars Sep 29 19:38:44 hrw: I agree, I didn't not want to use kde apps inside of maemo Sep 29 19:38:57 apt-get remove hildon Sep 29 19:39:00 apt-get remove hildon* Sep 29 19:39:03 then PRAY Sep 29 19:39:04 ^_^ Sep 29 19:39:08 hmm... I am in reboot cycle... Sep 29 19:39:19 gpd: i didn't really mean do it Sep 29 19:39:40 ok - have a nice evening Sep 29 19:39:53 no -- i just got here --- having updated... and now screwed... Sep 29 19:40:06 i hate when that happens Sep 29 19:40:54 Surprise, surprise. sliderotate screws up SSU. Sep 29 19:41:16 whats sliderotate? Sep 29 19:42:21 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/sliderotate Sep 29 19:42:37 i don't know why i can't jfgi, i apologize Sep 29 19:42:37 ty Luria Sep 29 19:42:41 np Sep 29 19:43:47 seamless software update? Sep 29 19:44:00 ~ssu Sep 29 19:44:03 rumour has it, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Sep 29 19:44:30 sigh, i have to go figure out why my scratchbox machine has disappeared Sep 29 19:44:49 ty again Sep 29 19:45:11 luria, sorry was that yours, i reformatted it and put vista on it for you Sep 29 19:45:11 Hrm Sep 29 19:45:14 Where'd I put that o-s-v bug. . . . Sep 29 19:45:27 hrmf. i see the box, just not on nmap Sep 29 19:45:37 ssu link gives a blank page - does that mean i get no updates Sep 29 19:45:38 goddamn headless server Sep 29 19:46:31 luria, the worst ones are when they are half way around the world Sep 29 19:46:43 heh. Sep 29 19:46:48 lcuk, just reload. . . . Sep 29 19:47:01 Anybody have any clues on what's causing the reboot loops for people? Sep 29 19:47:19 http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com/ Sep 29 19:54:17 is it just me or is xournal in diablo extras shite? :P Sep 29 19:54:52 * Stskeeps goes check if he managed to install it from -devels by accident Sep 29 19:56:23 so, what's new in the update? Sep 29 19:56:54 <||cw> uh oh... /var/cache/apt/archives# rm -f osso-browser-opera-eal_2\%3a1.6.8-1_armel.deb Sep 29 19:56:54 <||cw> rm: cannot remove 'osso-browser-opera-eal_2%3a1.6.8-1_armel.deb': No space left on device Sep 29 19:56:59 Most of the same stuff that was new-ed in 30-2 Sep 29 19:57:04 770?, ||cw ? Sep 29 19:57:08 <||cw> yeah Sep 29 19:57:36 !ping Sep 29 19:57:36 pong Sep 29 19:57:48 okay, so there's no stable xournal for Diablo? :P Sep 29 19:58:01 <||cw> hm, / has 13MB free...wtf Sep 29 19:58:03 Just pull from Chinook. Sep 29 19:58:08 think i'll have to Sep 29 20:00:34 <||cw> uh oh, reboot loop Sep 29 20:04:31 * Stskeeps groans Sep 29 20:04:41 xournal icon doesn't work but run-standalone.sh xournal does Sep 29 20:05:16 The latest OS2008 update crashed my n810 (infinite reboot) and I'm having trouble finding some packages that I'd had installed Sep 29 20:05:36 for instance, how do I get the "less" command back? It's an ungooglable command :/ Sep 29 20:06:20 Well, the package should be called, like, 'less'. Sep 29 20:06:41 <||cw> is it seperate package now? used to part of another Sep 29 20:07:03 if anyone has it, a dpkg -S should locate it, right? Sep 29 20:09:15 .. and why does my nokia say "autosaving document" all the time? O_o Sep 29 20:09:38 (.. should really rant on offtopic on ITT instead) Sep 29 20:11:22 Stskeeps: in what, xournal? Sep 29 20:11:31 The Diablo Xournal is broken Sep 29 20:12:18 Navi: i know diablo xournal is broken - but my nokia just said autosaving document.. in charging process Sep 29 20:12:58 Lol Sep 29 20:13:02 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3747 Sep 29 20:13:07 Fun stuff. Sep 29 20:13:44 * GeneralAntilles doesn't look forward to re-triaging all those goddamn bugs. Sep 29 20:13:49 andre___, did you notice that? Sep 29 20:14:03 humm? Sep 29 20:14:05 * andre___ looks up Sep 29 20:14:27 argh Sep 29 20:14:44 Personally, I'm in favor of forcing Nokia to change the versioning. Sep 29 20:14:55 They fucked us, and I'm not gonna clean up after their screw up. Sep 29 20:15:06 I like fagness Sep 29 20:15:53 I think I had a bad line in my sources.list, it's in diablo/tools not diablo Sep 29 20:16:59 ywwg, yeah, they changed it for diablo. Sep 29 20:19:45 also, what's the apt or dpkg command to find out which repository an installed package came from? Sep 29 20:20:53 4.1.1.1 Sep 29 20:20:58 4.1.1.1.1 Sep 29 20:21:35 GAN: As long as they use CONSISTENT versioning I am fine even if they call those versions with pet names Sep 29 20:21:36 please make that recursive Sep 29 20:21:51 4.1.1.nokiacangodieinafire Sep 29 20:22:01 4.1.1.dienokiadie Sep 29 20:22:03 andre: It is all in your hands, I am not working for Nokia =) Sep 29 20:22:06 4.1.1.nokiasux Sep 29 20:22:07 4.1.∞ Sep 29 20:22:17 RST38h, i'm also not working for nokia. Sep 29 20:22:21 (at least not directly) Sep 29 20:22:30 and no, using cyrillics for tertiary version numbers won't do it =) Sep 29 20:22:55 cyrillic numbers are the same. we could use farsi numbers. Sep 29 20:23:07 it was a small letter v Sep 29 20:23:26 use hebrew and number those versions right-to-left! Sep 29 20:23:27 ∞? then your irc client is b0rken ;-) Sep 29 20:23:43 Nope it is your irc client that is broken and your terminal too =0 Sep 29 20:23:50 no way! :-P Sep 29 20:23:57 double true! Sep 29 20:24:01 Not using cp1251? Just wait until Evil Putin makes you! =) Sep 29 20:24:39 a small v in cyrillic is still в here. not ∞. end of discussion! ;-) Sep 29 20:25:11 http://slexy.org/view/s2kATYm53e Sep 29 20:25:15 Kernel changes Sep 29 20:26:40 hmm, that "random: fix seeding with zero entropy" is probably https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2770 Sep 29 20:27:54 johnx_: bootmenu updated btw Sep 29 20:28:42 andre___, can you correlate those NB#? Sep 29 20:29:05 let me see Sep 29 20:29:09 andre: Unicode isn't really used much in console world Sep 29 20:29:28 Still either cp1251 or koi8 Sep 29 20:30:54 yupp... anything else than unicode must die Sep 29 20:31:18 mmm...not really Sep 29 20:31:34 although I guess unicode is convenient for web pages Sep 29 20:31:54 and for chatting in klingon! Sep 29 20:32:01 that too Sep 29 20:32:47 GeneralAntilles, those NB#s don't have an equivalent in maemo bugzilla... Sep 29 20:34:16 ~help Sep 29 20:34:33 ~version Sep 29 20:34:34 from memory, version is Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy , or lsb_release -d Sep 29 20:34:44 ~help Sep 29 20:34:53 -> fyi kernel diff 30->35 http://slexy.org/raw/s20VHicQHS Sep 29 20:35:17 what's the latest IT OS 2008 version? Sep 29 20:35:25 GeneralAntilles, that OP0 fix has to do with video playback quality it seems Sep 29 20:35:46 That sounds useful. Sep 29 20:35:51 gomiam, with the latest updates installed it's 4.2008.36-5 Sep 29 20:35:58 4.2008.36-5 Sep 29 20:36:01 mmm... Sep 29 20:36:09 https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Release_history_table Sep 29 20:36:12 Wikipedia always has the latest. Sep 29 20:36:12 I'll have to see if I can get the SLS to work now Sep 29 20:36:31 ~SLS Sep 29 20:36:32 i heard sls is Softlanding Linux System... see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLS_Linux Sep 29 20:36:50 argh, ~SSL Sep 29 20:37:12 ~help Sep 29 20:37:48 gomiam, what about asking a question that doesn't start with ~ ? ;-) Sep 29 20:38:11 HW_RANDOM? and OMAP? Does this mean that encryption is gonna speed up? Sep 29 20:38:14 andre___: I wanted infobot to tell me XD Sep 29 20:38:21 then again, it seems it won't happen Sep 29 20:38:27 since I don't know what to ask Sep 29 20:40:34 what's the package to install in order to be able to upgrade the tablet without reflashing? Sep 29 20:40:57 Um? Sep 29 20:41:18 GAN800: there's a way to upgrade now without reflashing Sep 29 20:41:21 OS2008 Feature Upgrade? Sep 29 20:41:31 GAN800: might be that Sep 29 20:41:42 might be. . . . Sep 29 20:42:12 * andre___ also wants to try Sep 29 20:42:13 ~SSU Sep 29 20:42:14 extra, extra, read all about it, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Sep 29 20:42:19 yay Sep 29 20:42:32 weird: looks like that cursor in the search applet has been a glitch of some kind Sep 29 20:42:38 I rebooted and it no longer appears Sep 29 20:43:06 mm it blinks here. Sep 29 20:43:39 here it is again Sep 29 20:43:50 this is sure going to suck the battery empty Sep 29 20:43:54 it's when you focus it. Sep 29 20:44:10 switch the search engine to loose the focus :) Sep 29 20:45:11 it seems to get focus randomly Sep 29 20:45:14 still sounds like a friendly way to suck some extra watt :) Sep 29 20:45:29 no idea how it operates Sep 29 20:45:46 * RST38h is running apt-get upgrade - lots of new packages Sep 29 20:46:04 terrible plan. Sep 29 20:46:46 ? Sep 29 20:47:23 wrong combination of repos and packages == reboot loop. Sep 29 20:47:33 I have the right combination. Sep 29 20:47:47 In the meanwhile, DOW -777 - is it a jackpot? =) Sep 29 20:48:58 hi, I accepted 20 upgrades to my N810 under diablo and now the wifi dialog doesn't show any signal (and does not display the GSM pairing either) Sep 29 20:49:04 does that ring a bell? Sep 29 20:49:10 RST38h: you just won 700.000.000.000$ :p Sep 29 20:49:24 jott: Actually, they didn't - that's why it's down =) Sep 29 20:49:29 guerby, uh, did icd2 get updated properly? Sep 29 20:49:31 heh Sep 29 20:49:39 GAN800, let me check Sep 29 20:49:44 indeed Sep 29 20:49:51 But I guess this is how descending into a blackhole would look like. At least to the brokers. Sep 29 20:50:08 guerby, did you apt-get upgrade without o-s-v installed or something? Sep 29 20:50:19 Going in circles around a giant gaping asshole... Sep 29 20:50:54 supermassive black hole Sep 29 20:51:01 supermassive asshole Sep 29 20:51:25 "Game not started yet" bug is still present in games after update Sep 29 20:51:33 GAN800, what version should I have? Sep 29 20:51:34 Is it reported at bugzilla? Sep 29 20:51:51 GAN800, no I used the graphical updater Sep 29 20:51:52 Wasn't that wontixed or some such insanity? Sep 29 20:52:13 * RST38h would be interested what the wontfix reason would be for something like this Sep 29 20:52:26 Not a priority Sep 29 20:52:38 Check bugzilla, though. Sep 29 20:53:33 icd2 is 0.56 Sep 29 20:53:45 libicd2 0.50 Sep 29 20:54:43 somebody give me a bug ID, or a description of the issue Sep 29 20:55:22 Making me get off the couch. . . . Sep 29 20:55:49 at least there's no games bug filed with the string "not started" Sep 29 20:56:26 does not appear that such bug exists Sep 29 20:56:34 I swear it does. Sep 29 20:56:39 andre: Description of the issue: Sep 29 20:57:16 andre: Starting with Diablo, when you start a game (any game using game helper API), after about 10-15 seconds it shows the "Game not started yet" message. Sep 29 20:57:27 Banner Sep 29 20:57:27 RST38h, please file a bug :) Sep 29 20:57:34 andre: The message does not affect gameplay (the game has obviously been started by now) but it is annoying Sep 29 20:57:36 will do Sep 29 20:57:46 4.2008.36-5 Sep 29 20:57:53 hi, it seems the wiki is offline. has somebody the link to the gui tool to convert videos on linux for the tablet? Sep 29 20:58:03 prometoys, reload. Sep 29 20:58:14 prometoys, wiki is slow but not offline for me. just reload. hej hej, by the way Sep 29 20:58:32 hi andre, alles klar? Sep 29 20:58:36 yes it works Sep 29 20:58:52 I am sooooooo happy when nokia got the new servers for maemo Sep 29 20:59:10 prometoys, jau jau... just a bit busy :) Sep 29 21:00:58 prometoys: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ Sep 29 21:01:32 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3748 Sep 29 21:01:35 redundant sp3000 is redundant Sep 29 21:01:49 andre,General: filed the bug. vote for it if possible. Sep 29 21:02:52 ok, sleep time Sep 29 21:02:57 thanks Sep 29 21:03:03 ...and after 5 minutes you see the "Think the game has started yet? Think again." banner Sep 29 21:03:12 ok, I finally found that, despite osso-software-version-rx34 being 4.2008.36-5, the About box on the Control Panel still say sI'm at 23-14 Sep 29 21:03:30 gomiam, that version field is easily corrupted. Sep 29 21:03:31 is that really a problem? Sep 29 21:03:39 oh, nice to know. Sep 29 21:03:46 There's a script to fix it that you can run, but I don't remember it off-hand. Sep 29 21:04:07 never mind. Knowing to apt-cache policy the version is enough for now XD Sep 29 21:04:31 Setting priority to "low" will leave it ignored. Sep 29 21:05:03 It makes sense to keep it on medium even although the bug is minor Sep 29 21:05:14 RST38h, the bug priorities don't matter. Sep 29 21:05:24 Most of the bugs aren't triaged by Nokia. Sep 29 21:05:29 oh Sep 29 21:05:36 The only bugs with real priority are the website bugs. Sep 29 21:05:43 The rest of them are either reporter-set or random Sep 29 21:05:53 they have zero correlation to internal priorities. Sep 29 21:05:57 gomiam, about says 4.2008.23-14 and my osso-...version 1:4.2008.23-14 Sep 29 21:06:02 but I got no network Sep 29 21:06:15 guerby: I just got a 33 MB OS update Sep 29 21:06:19 so that might explain it Sep 29 21:06:33 GAN800, do you know a way to launch network from the command line? Sep 29 21:06:46 now I'll need to check whether my N800 still falis with just one WiFi router in WPA mode XD Sep 29 21:07:49 /etc/init.i/icd2 restart may work Sep 29 21:07:55 er, init.d Sep 29 21:07:58 while I'm at it... is there an alternate package for mouse icons? Sep 29 21:08:02 GeneralAntilles, let me try Sep 29 21:09:21 GeneralAntilles, it says starting ... icd2 but nothing else happens and the net dialog is still stuck on searching Sep 29 21:09:38 guerby, restart the tablet? Sep 29 21:10:04 GAN800, I did it already twice Sep 29 21:10:08 GAN: Well, I hope this one is really easy to fix Sep 29 21:10:15 andre, sp3000, thanks, got it now :) Sep 29 21:10:15 as process I have /usr/sbin/icd2 -10 Sep 29 21:10:29 /sbin/udhcpc -i wlan0 .... Sep 29 21:10:29 good night everybody Sep 29 21:10:47 geurby, sounds like the install didn't go down so well Sep 29 21:11:03 You could force a dpkg configure Sep 29 21:11:08 But I dunno Sep 29 21:11:16 GAN800, thx again, let me try Sep 29 21:11:41 I'd make a backup and prep yourself for flashing, though. Sep 29 21:11:50 I'm a bit confused... it seems all my already installed apps are now to be reinstalled, even if the current version is the same as the installed one :-D Sep 29 21:12:00 GAN800, what's the exact dpkg command line to try? Sep 29 21:12:23 guerby, I'm blanking. Sep 29 21:12:31 gomiam: it sometimes glitches this way Sep 29 21:12:41 gomiam: but do make sure you reenable Diablo Extras Sep 29 21:12:47 RST38h: fortunately, I have the time and patience XD Sep 29 21:13:18 (and a Bt kbd to boot) Sep 29 21:13:24 you can just do "Update All" and get some tea Sep 29 21:13:37 BTW, is your bt kbd lagging? losing characters maybe? Sep 29 21:13:56 RST38h: Diablo? Shouldn't it be chinook? Sep 29 21:14:17 open mouth, insert foot Sep 29 21:14:19 You should have two Extras repos Sep 29 21:14:30 of course it's Diablo, Chinook is for oldies not yet updated Sep 29 21:14:37 One should not have anything in the distro line - this will be your current repo (i.e. diablo) Sep 29 21:14:58 But you should also have one with chinook in the distro line - in case you need a package that has not been moved over yet Sep 29 21:15:05 oh, ok Sep 29 21:15:12 checking.. Sep 29 21:15:14 GAN800, some more info, I launched icd2 -l 0 Sep 29 21:15:56 route: SIOC|ADD|DEL|RT: No such process Sep 29 21:16:18 when I launch the net box Sep 29 21:21:52 yet another question: has anybody been able to emulate F1-F12 and Home,End,et al. keys on an Ubiquio foldable bluetooth keyboard? Sep 29 21:24:16 (on a N800 preferably) Sep 29 21:30:11 created: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3749 Sep 29 21:30:14 GAN800: I think anything which has a priority of "low" may be discounted further within Nokia, but setting it above "low" doesn't seem to affect anything Sep 29 21:33:00 Jaffa, etrunko, more blogging. :P Sep 29 21:33:44 You even get double karma. ;) Sep 29 21:33:52 :) Sep 29 21:34:20 * Jaffa wonders why the users of ITT seem to have so many more problems with "seamless" software updates. Following random power-user instructions without knowing what they're doing? Sep 29 21:34:47 Likely Sep 29 21:35:04 Well, that, and a rather extreme self-selecting sample. Sep 29 21:35:33 I'd really like to pin the issues down, though. Sep 29 21:35:40 So I can offer more than a "reflash" to people. Sep 29 21:36:57 Seems to mostly be people installing new kernels, initfses, X servers or booting off SD without understanding the impact that'll have on them. Sep 29 21:37:09 emjayes' packages love to break things. Sep 29 21:38:08 andre___, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3739#c3 that comment makes more sense now. Sep 29 21:39:44 hmm... answered that in comment 7 Sep 29 21:40:15 "" Sep 29 21:40:18 Erm Sep 29 21:40:27 "This issue is fixed in the next SDK release maemo4.1.1 (PE2 update)." Sep 29 21:40:31 * GeneralAntilles learns how to highlight text. Sep 29 21:41:03 garr, ok Sep 29 21:45:24 theres a system update that breaks icd2 again?? Sep 29 21:46:09 moontiger, no. Sep 29 21:46:18 Worked just fine for me and many others. Sep 29 21:46:24 * andre___ goes to sleep Sep 29 21:46:30 Hmm. SSH seems *really* slow post-update (could be my wifi) Sep 29 21:46:31 * GeneralAntilles is not sure why Ubuntu on the Pandora is such a big deal. Sep 29 21:46:53 Jaffa, fine here. Sep 29 21:46:59 PSM being bitchy? Sep 29 21:48:43 so... in a boot cycle still -- anything other than reflash i can do? Sep 29 21:49:08 hello Sep 29 21:49:25 gpd, depends entirely on why the reboot loop is happening. Sep 29 21:49:38 You could usbnet and ssh in with fanoush's bootmenu. Sep 29 21:49:46 would you by any chance have an osso-default-icons package? Sep 29 21:49:48 But if you don't know what's wrong. . . . Sep 29 21:49:52 anyone? Sep 29 21:50:07 osso-icons-default that is Sep 29 21:50:09 wiki.maemo.org is a blank page.... handy Sep 29 21:50:39 gpd: reload it Sep 29 21:51:09 andre___: weird - but thanks! Sep 29 21:51:15 my SSU went wrong with that package and im missing my cable for a reflash Sep 29 21:52:02 gpd, apache threads are segfaulting every once and a while. Sep 29 21:52:07 Waiting on the new servers this week. Sep 29 21:52:22 sounds nice :) Sep 29 21:52:24 ok - remind me where to find the image i should be flashing? Sep 29 21:52:27 segfaulting apache Sep 29 21:52:56 ~flashing Sep 29 21:52:57 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 29 21:53:52 why cant i find the package from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/ for example? Sep 29 21:53:56 should it be there? Sep 29 21:54:49 my apt-get says something like "package osso-icons-default needs to be reinstalled but its archinve cannot be found" Sep 29 21:55:38 2008.23-14 <--- seems rather old -- is that right? then update again without restoring from backup? Sep 29 21:56:41 GeneralAntilles: seems better now. Could've been PSM, or congestion (laptop's on wired) Sep 29 21:56:53 It's usually PSM when mine goes slow. Sep 29 21:58:12 macoute, cat /etc/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list and paste it to http://slexy.org Sep 29 21:58:21 * gpd flashes... :( Sep 29 22:00:11 * Mousey looks away in horror Sep 29 22:07:46 evening Sep 29 22:08:05 lardman: a lie! Sep 29 22:08:07 very cool that SSU warns that I don't have enough battery life to update and I need to start charging Sep 29 22:08:16 cuse: it's all relative ;) Sep 29 22:08:30 Hello, lardman. Sep 29 22:08:43 hey GAN800 Sep 29 22:08:48 lardman, nore blogging. Sep 29 22:08:56 s/no/mo/ Sep 29 22:08:57 GAN800 meant: lardman, more blogging. Sep 29 22:09:16 installing feature upgrade... on a fresh flash.. fingers folded over Sep 29 22:09:17 from me? Sep 29 22:09:27 * lardman doesn't tend to blog Sep 29 22:10:00 Tough cookies, council member. :P Sep 29 22:10:22 Am I a slowpoke or today a new SSU was released? Sep 29 22:10:24 system successfully updated... minor miracle :) Sep 29 22:10:25 http://www.maemo.org/community/council :p Sep 29 22:10:36 zap, yes, it was. Sep 29 22:10:54 k001 Sep 29 22:11:46 balls -- that was just the first system update... another 33mb to go :( Sep 29 22:11:53 lardman, and, oh, neither do I. But what can you do? ;) Sep 29 22:12:16 GAN800: ah, council blog you mean Sep 29 22:12:26 Of course. ;) Sep 29 22:13:06 I've been busy this weekend, and had today off - moving furniture around Sep 29 22:13:17 I promise I'll get around to it eventually ;) Sep 29 22:13:19 kekeke, says not enuf memory Sep 29 22:13:34 In the meantime I need to reboot (running in gf's WinXP login atm) Sep 29 22:13:40 Should problem do something in the next couple of days about how the update was received. Some people experienced lots of problems, and couldn't sort it out. Not entirely Nokia's fault (though see http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=228595&postcount=171 for some which are), but - as a community - we need to try and identify the problems so future SSUs can mitigate the risks somehow. Sep 29 22:14:07 Pretend I did s /problem /probably / (but I don't want infobot spamming) Sep 29 22:14:27 Jaffa, I'm in favor of drafting qwerty12 to do all the groundwork. Sep 29 22:15:15 Anyway, I've got to be up at 05:20 to get a 06:04 train to be in the office at 07:30 for an 08:30 meeting. Must sleep now. Sep 29 22:15:23 Have fun. Sep 29 22:18:29 lardman, would be better if it just stfu about charge level and took some juice from USB :P Sep 29 22:18:52 re Sep 29 22:19:53 crashanddie, for an ssu update? Sep 29 22:20:54 wait Sep 29 22:20:57 define SSU? Sep 29 22:21:55 ~ssu Sep 29 22:21:56 i guess ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Sep 29 22:22:09 crashanddie, is that rock nice? :p Sep 29 22:22:17 worked for me anyway :) Sep 29 22:22:29 derf: am looking Sep 29 22:22:29 rock? Sep 29 22:23:11 The one you're living under ;-) Sep 29 22:24:44 hey Sep 29 22:24:54 I didn't have either SSU's :( Sep 29 22:25:36 Don't uninstall o-s-v Sep 29 22:26:31 apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked Sep 29 22:29:55 oh sh.... Sep 29 22:30:02 perpetuum reboot loop :-( Sep 29 22:30:33 GAN800, crap, that's a lot it's going to install :P Will that push the updates as well? Sep 29 22:30:48 crashanddie, the first one. Sep 29 22:31:01 Then you'll need to install the second. Sep 29 22:31:06 k Sep 29 22:31:14 But your browser will be a lot faster. Sep 29 22:31:18 nice Sep 29 22:31:26 and you won't be able to boot Sep 29 22:31:31 kekeke Sep 29 22:31:55 does SSU include a kernel/initrd update? Sep 29 22:32:04 zap, any chance you could investigate some debugging? Sep 29 22:32:16 Yes, kernel and initfs were updated. Sep 29 22:32:32 I can create a second partition on my ext SD and clone somehow the ROM there Sep 29 22:32:38 GAN800: what's happened to the browser to speed it up? Sep 29 22:32:43 strange Sep 29 22:32:49 I had boot menu installed Sep 29 22:32:55 and it's still there Sep 29 22:33:01 lardman, coding happened. :P Sep 29 22:33:11 fair enough :) Sep 29 22:33:27 We're getting closer to trunk Sep 29 22:33:28 they used patented lcuk technology, now it's 24.9fps Sep 29 22:34:38 pardon? Sep 29 22:34:48 sleep Sep 29 22:34:53 lcuk: bacccooooonnnn! Sep 29 22:34:56 was busy not sleeping :) Sep 29 22:35:08 * lcuk is preparing a beta for everyone Sep 29 22:35:25 :D lardman i had bacon steaks on sunday Sep 29 22:35:27 :D:D:D:D:D:D Sep 29 22:35:36 mmmmm Sep 29 22:36:11 I have the impression that somehow the kernel has been flashed, but initrd not Sep 29 22:36:20 how do i know if im updated Sep 29 22:36:27 this could be one of the causes of reboots Sep 29 22:36:30 cos i havent been asked today Sep 29 22:36:50 cat /etc/osso-software-version? Sep 29 22:37:02 ooh, zap, I like that thinking. Sep 29 22:37:13 that annoying link with OS2008 on it comes back to the desktop Sep 29 22:37:16 uhm Sep 29 22:37:32 zap, can you try downgrading the kernel? Sep 29 22:38:02 lardman, change it for your favorite homepage Sep 29 22:38:40 lcuk: yeah, I suppose so Sep 29 22:39:02 or just disable it. Sep 29 22:39:16 uhm Sep 29 22:39:22 I'm in (via USB recovery mode) Sep 29 22:39:25 * lcuk thinks hes missed the updates Sep 29 22:39:39 lcuk, refresh repos. Sep 29 22:39:48 and make sure o-s-v is installed. Sep 29 22:40:03 what version should i be on Sep 29 22:40:18 30-2 if you haven't updated Sep 29 22:40:20 30-2? Sep 29 22:40:22 right Sep 29 22:40:38 for me application manager didn't show any available updates, but apt-get upgrade did correctly update it... Sep 29 22:40:39 i refreshed stuff before Sep 29 22:40:48 ill try installin the thingy u said Sep 29 22:41:12 Mek, did you uninstall o-s-v Sep 29 22:41:32 Just, fyi, upgrading without o-s-v is very dangerous. Sep 29 22:41:33 GAN800: not deliberately... Sep 29 22:42:45 It's about as easy to accidentally uninstall as it could possibly be Sep 29 22:43:22 Upgrading or removing anything it depends on (lots and lots) removes it. Sep 29 22:43:27 cat /proc/cpuinfo says: "Revision : 24202524" Sep 29 22:43:31 is this the updated kernel? Sep 29 22:43:39 or this is hardware revision Sep 29 22:43:46 Hardware Sep 29 22:43:51 OMAP2420 Sep 29 22:43:56 cat /mnt/new_root/etc/osso_software_version Sep 29 22:43:56 RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_MR0 Sep 29 22:43:59 o-s-v not listed :S Sep 29 22:44:15 ahh well Sep 29 22:44:16 osso-software-version-rx44 Sep 29 22:44:19 ill do without goodness Sep 29 22:45:18 hmm... apt-cache search only finds a osso-software-version-unlocked... Sep 29 22:45:56 Mek, cat /etc/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Sep 29 22:46:09 hi all Sep 29 22:46:28 GAN800: if I run flash-and-reboot it tells me "These images are available // /boot/zImage-diablo-200835 // /usr/share/osso/images/initfs.jffs2" Sep 29 22:47:00 When flash-and-reboot is run successfully it purges the images on the rootfs. Sep 29 22:47:42 question, how do I force my tablet to search for software update? I keept it on connected to net for the last 6 hours but no luck. I'm talking about the os update Sep 29 22:47:42 "apt-get upgrade" says something about pre-installed-documentation-rx44 Sep 29 22:47:53 GeneralAntilles: http://rafb.net/p/1ARuks30.html Sep 29 22:48:09 ion_cu_vaca, open Application manager, tap Show installable applications or Show updates Sep 29 22:48:15 hit the little rotating circle in the bottom right Sep 29 22:48:32 ion_cu_vaca: mai ioane, click the button with the rotating arrows in App Manager Sep 29 22:48:41 ion_cu_vaca: in the bottom right corner Sep 29 22:48:42 GeneralAntilles, doesn't show any updates Sep 29 22:48:45 Mek, Nokia is stupid and evil Sep 29 22:48:57 they don't keep all of the latest packages in the latest tableteer update repo. Sep 29 22:49:06 fun... Sep 29 22:49:11 So, basically, here's how it went down. Sep 29 22:49:20 o-s-v was uninstalled at some point Sep 29 22:49:28 so you didn't get the update notification Sep 29 22:49:39 to update, you ran apt-get upgrade and it installed new packages Sep 29 22:49:50 one of these new packages was nokia-repositories Sep 29 22:50:14 which does two things, wipes out maemo Extras (bastards), and increments the upgrade repo (diablo-1/ to diablo-2/) Sep 29 22:50:25 and o-s-v install available in diablo-2/ Sep 29 22:50:49 my extras is still in sources.list.d/extras.list :P Sep 29 22:51:02 Mek, well, it disables maemo Extras. Sep 29 22:51:15 So, you can wait until the next update is pushed and install o-s-v then or re-add diablo-1/ and grab o-s-v from there. Sep 29 22:51:26 Personally, I'd save the hassle and just wait. Sep 29 22:51:36 I'm glad to hear an apt-get upgrade worked fine, though. Sep 29 22:51:41 As it induced reboot loops with 30-2 Sep 29 22:51:42 okay, I'll do that Sep 29 22:51:47 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566 Sep 29 22:52:11 OK, ion_cu_vaca. ;) Sep 29 22:52:31 You probably removed osso-software-version-rx*4 at some point (it's really easy to remove accidentally) Sep 29 22:52:50 ion_cu_vaca, what do you have an N800 or N810? Sep 29 22:52:55 n800 Sep 29 22:53:14 ion_cu_vaca, run an apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34 Sep 29 22:53:18 in Xterm as root Sep 29 22:53:20 ok Sep 29 22:53:23 that should fix you up. Sep 29 22:55:06 that command will update my os to the latest ver. or just restore the osso-software-version that I removed at some point? Sep 29 22:55:17 It will restore it and update the OS. Sep 29 22:56:24 um... anybody can tell me hows' called the device node for MMC2? Sep 29 22:58:32 /dev/mmcblk1? Sep 29 22:58:49 aha, /dev/mmcblk0p1, thx Sep 29 22:59:16 did I make a mistake that I ran that command over ssh? Sep 29 22:59:35 now you have to wait Sep 29 22:59:36 this was last thing that appeared: Preparing to replace icd2 0.50 (using .../archives/icd2_0.56_armel.deb) ... Stopping Internet Connectivity daemon 2: icd2 Sep 29 22:59:41 :-) Sep 29 22:59:48 yep, same happened here :) Sep 29 23:00:01 the network connection got lost at some point Sep 29 23:00:42 I have to wait a reboot or something? when do I know that the process is done? Sep 29 23:00:57 I think it should reboot at some point Sep 29 23:01:02 but for some reason it didn't happen to me Sep 29 23:03:14 how long should I wait? Sep 29 23:03:38 you may try to run top on NIT Sep 29 23:03:47 and see if it does something Sep 29 23:06:21 ok, I'm going to let flash-and-reboot do its dirty work Sep 29 23:07:30 Erg, sorry, ion_cu_vaca. Sep 29 23:07:33 Shoulda warned you. Sep 29 23:07:44 icd2 (the connectivity daemon) was updated Sep 29 23:07:48 it's restarted as part of the update Sep 29 23:07:56 which drops the wifi, of course. Sep 29 23:08:59 oops Sep 29 23:09:03 Flash and remove them? The device will reboot. (y/N)? y Sep 29 23:09:04 /usr/bin/flash-and-reboot: line 63: fiasco-flasher: not found Sep 29 23:09:13 what;s fiasco-flasher and where do I get it? Sep 29 23:09:58 false alarm, /usr/sbin was not in PATH Sep 29 23:10:36 night all Sep 29 23:10:44 ok, how do I force the update again? just restarted the tablet and I still have same version Sep 29 23:11:02 via app manager? Sep 29 23:11:22 still app manager doesn't show the update Sep 29 23:11:41 apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34? Sep 29 23:11:56 ^ Sep 29 23:12:01 maybe an apt-get -f install Sep 29 23:12:43 I get "E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returnet an error code (1)" when I run apt-get install osso-software-version-rx34 Sep 29 23:12:57 ok, I'll try apt-get -f install Sep 29 23:13:52 same error Sep 29 23:16:26 /dev/mtd2: No such file or directory Sep 29 23:16:38 can anybody tell me whats the major:minor of /dev/mtd2? Sep 29 23:16:40 why is deborphan available for os2006, but not diablo? Sep 29 23:16:49 GeneralAntilles, ion_cu_vaca so I'm not alone Sep 29 23:17:02 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3749 Sep 29 23:17:04 zap: root:root Sep 29 23:17:15 dick-richardson: major and minor numbers Sep 29 23:17:16 440 permission Sep 29 23:17:21 something like "3, 0" Sep 29 23:17:25 ls -la it Sep 29 23:17:26 guerby, how do you figure? Sep 29 23:17:28 hang on Sep 29 23:17:37 His problem doesn't sound at all like yours. Sep 29 23:17:49 GeneralAntilles, connection was dropped from app manager for me too (I didn't update through ssh) Sep 29 23:18:01 guerby, that's not a bug. Sep 29 23:18:03 Like I said Sep 29 23:18:08 icd2 was updated Sep 29 23:18:17 and it has to be restarted during the update. Sep 29 23:18:48 Your problem is that it doesn't start properly after the update (abnormal), not that it was restarted during the update (normal). Sep 29 23:18:50 for everyone wanting to test rotation support on the new ssu: http://outpo.st/rotate/36/ (you should know how to install if you want to try :P Sep 29 23:19:00 zap: not sure what portion of the listing you're after...the entire thing is: crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 4 Dec31 1969 /dev/mtd2 Sep 29 23:19:12 aha, 90:4 Sep 29 23:19:14 ty Sep 29 23:19:21 np Sep 29 23:19:36 what does that refer to, if i may ask? Sep 29 23:19:57 90 is the internal index of the MTD driver Sep 29 23:20:01 and 4 is device number Sep 29 23:20:08 ion_cu_vaca, I get the same, but with rx44 Sep 29 23:20:11 dick: it's a numbering scheme for devices. Sep 29 23:20:18 all in all, these numbers determine to which driver the query will go to Sep 29 23:20:22 Actually, the device file name is just a pointer to those numbers. Sep 29 23:20:33 ahh, ty :) Sep 29 23:20:44 sooooooo, do I have to flash my beloved n800 to fix it? Sep 29 23:20:46 :-) Sep 29 23:20:58 damnit Sep 29 23:21:06 flashed new kernel and new initrd Sep 29 23:21:07 I had an issue with a root owned file in the /home/user/MyDocs/.documents directory Sep 29 23:21:08 "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/pre-installed-documentation-rx44_5.4_all.deb Sep 29 23:21:19 removing it helped...not sure if that's an issue someone's fighting Sep 29 23:21:21 now I have no boot menu, but it still reboots at the end of boot process :-( Sep 29 23:21:29 crashanddie: that's the exact error I had Sep 29 23:21:56 "I had" ? Past tense? Did you fix it? Sep 29 23:21:58 nice, nice. I see everyone got his individual problem here :) Sep 29 23:22:01 crashanddie: yep Sep 29 23:22:17 dick-richardson, give it to me baby Sep 29 23:22:25 remove (backup) everything from /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ Sep 29 23:22:42 want it nice and empty Sep 29 23:22:54 k Sep 29 23:23:26 at the terminal: cd /var/cache/apt/archives Sep 29 23:23:30 hi, exist a easy way to pop up the maemo virtual keyboard in a app ? in python for example Sep 29 23:24:26 as root: dpkg -i --force-all pre-installed-documentation-rx44_5.4_all.deb Sep 29 23:24:47 * zap thinks the channel remembers an Anonymous Alcoholics Society during every release of SSU Sep 29 23:24:57 "--force-all" is not something I'd recommend for daily use Sep 29 23:25:11 crashanddie, dick-richardson, would you vote on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602 ? Sep 29 23:25:45 GeneralAntilles, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=228502&postcount=2 Sep 29 23:25:58 problem similar to mine but I had no automatic connection so I'm out of wifi Sep 29 23:26:50 guerby, sounds like he was in Red Pill. Sep 29 23:28:02 crashanddie: did it work? Sep 29 23:28:24 GeneralAntilles, I probably still have it too (unless diablo upgrade clears it) Sep 29 23:28:29 I think I bricked my NIT Sep 29 23:28:38 GeneralAntilles: put my vote it for you Sep 29 23:28:55 did it come back to a command prompt? Sep 29 23:28:59 after that last command? Sep 29 23:29:24 dick-richardson, it whined that I had to -f install, so I did, it installed a bunch of stuff Sep 29 23:30:20 crashanddie: mine just quietly did what I told it...odd Sep 29 23:30:34 I give up. I reflashing Sep 29 23:30:46 crashanddie: probably not bricked...should still be able to flash it Sep 29 23:31:04 ion_cu_vaca, I wish I knew how to restart network by command line Sep 29 23:31:12 this knowledge must exist somewhere... Sep 29 23:31:21 ifup wlan0 gave nothing Sep 29 23:31:33 over ssh? :-)) Sep 29 23:31:40 ion_cu_vaca, with xterm :) Sep 29 23:31:46 guerby: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart Sep 29 23:32:49 so, what's the latest firmware? .23-14? Sep 29 23:33:07 I should also point out that I disabled all chinook repos before upgrading initially... Sep 29 23:33:10 36-5 Sep 29 23:33:32 anyone have deborphan installed? Sep 29 23:34:14 dick-richardson, thx this started a wifi connection but not on the right router Sep 29 23:34:22 but I should be able to do something Sep 29 23:35:21 yep, I'm connected to my n810 through ssh Sep 29 23:35:27 (and openvpn) Sep 29 23:35:39 now what should I do? apt-get update? Sep 29 23:35:49 disable chinook repos first Sep 29 23:35:55 dick-richardson, ok Sep 29 23:36:25 then I'd do a dist-upgrade Sep 29 23:36:41 I hate that I have reflash... but who cares, I just save a bunch of money by .... bailout failure Sep 29 23:37:43 dick-richardson, 3 .. 2 .. 1 .. Sep 29 23:38:05 guerby connection reset by peer :P Sep 29 23:38:15 dick-richardson, no :) Sep 29 23:38:16 The following packages have unmet dependencies. Sep 29 23:38:17 osso-software-version-rx44: Depends: adobe-flashplayer (= 2.51-1) but 2.53-1 is installed Sep 29 23:38:17 Depends: apt (= 0.7.6maemo2) but 0.7.6maemo3 is installed Sep 29 23:38:17 Depends: browser-neteal (= 0.0.17.1) but 0.0.18-1 is installed Sep 29 23:38:23 ... Sep 29 23:38:57 Depends: icd2 (= 0.48) but 0.56 is installed Sep 29 23:38:58 Depends: icd2-network-wlan-config (= 0.47) but 0.47-diablo1 is installed Sep 29 23:39:08 .. Sep 29 23:39:09 Depends: libicd-network-dun (= 0.17) but 1:0.18 is installed Sep 29 23:39:09 Depends: libicd-network-ipv4 (= 0.14) but 0.15 is installed Sep 29 23:39:09 Depends: libicd-network-wlan (= 0.47) but 0.47-diablo1 is installed Sep 29 23:39:09 Depends: libicd2 (= 0.48) but 0.50 is installed Sep 29 23:39:15 looks like a mess Sep 29 23:39:17 apt-get remove flash-player-r48 Sep 29 23:39:35 GeneralAntilles, ok let me try Sep 29 23:39:51 disable antivirus software Sep 29 23:40:05 E: Couldn't find package flash-player-r48 Sep 29 23:40:16 ii adobe-flashplayer 2.53-1 Adobe Flashplayer Sep 29 23:40:31 GeneralAntilles, any other package I need to install if I want to have the latest update? Sep 29 23:40:49 osso-software-version-rx44? Sep 29 23:40:49 so, I reflashed. not the application manager shows "os2008 feature upgrade 4.2008.30-2" Sep 29 23:41:10 doesn't show the last one. do I have to update first to that version and then to the latest? Sep 29 23:41:23 I think yes Sep 29 23:41:26 crashanddie, o-s-v-u supersedes o-s-v Sep 29 23:41:36 ion_cu_vaca, you'll need to run two updates. Sep 29 23:41:43 GeneralAntilles, so i should be good then? Sep 29 23:41:45 ok Sep 29 23:41:55 although that is not like upgrades work on any other linux Sep 29 23:43:07 zap, yeah, Nokia is lame. Sep 29 23:43:30 it's all because of proprietary habbits Sep 29 23:43:43 Well, it's easier to test this upgrade path Sep 29 23:43:52 Nokia-N810-23-14:~# apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx44 Sep 29 23:43:52 osso-software-version-rx44: Sep 29 23:43:52 Installed: 1:4.2008.23-14 Sep 29 23:43:52 Candidate: 1:4.2008.36-5 Sep 29 23:43:52 Version table: Sep 29 23:43:52 1:4.2008.36-5 0 Sep 29 23:43:54 500 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Packages Sep 29 23:43:56 *** 1:4.2008.23-14 0 Sep 29 23:43:58 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Sep 29 23:44:00 hmmm Sep 29 23:44:07 than upgrading from version 1 to version n Sep 29 23:44:11 its easier to release separate package upgrades Sep 29 23:44:15 guerby, don't flood the channel, please Sep 29 23:44:20 guerby, http://slexy.org Sep 29 23:44:22 than a whole bunch of stuff Sep 29 23:44:34 crashanddie, GeneralAntilles sorry Sep 29 23:46:18 GeneralAntilles, http://slexy.org/view/s20By1FUxZ Sep 29 23:46:31 GeneralAntilles, how can I tell if I have the latest update? Sep 29 23:47:07 crashanddie, apt-cache show osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked Sep 29 23:48:13 * nomis has some very much vaporware mockups for a Tablet Image Manipulation Program (TIMP) :) Sep 29 23:48:13 GeneralAntilles, nothing Sep 29 23:48:17 is there a list with changes in the new os version? Sep 29 23:48:25 ion_cu_vaca, not reeally. Sep 29 23:48:29 http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n810/timp-mockup-1.png Sep 29 23:48:31 and http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n810/timp-mockup-2.png Sep 29 23:48:55 ion_cu_vaca: i made *very* dumb assembly: http://sse2.net/diablo-36.changes.gz Sep 29 23:49:11 RST38h: how is your script going? :p Sep 29 23:49:35 could someone put a clean sources.list on http://slexy.org ? Sep 29 23:50:15 thanks jott Sep 29 23:50:27 oh, and btw, #maemo is the number one Slexy channel Sep 29 23:50:45 ion_cu_vaca: it's not filtered by the actual release Sep 29 23:50:55 ion_cu_vaca: so it's always the full changelog. Sep 29 23:51:11 and even that will not help you with NB#-777 Sep 29 23:51:15 crashanddie, where's my commission? :P Sep 29 23:51:38 GeneralAntilles, apt-cache show osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked didn't give anything, apt-cache policy says it's not even there Sep 29 23:51:51 crashanddie, didn't you install it, though? Sep 29 23:51:57 I did Sep 29 23:52:03 only... through dpkg -i Sep 29 23:52:04 :-° Sep 29 23:52:16 * GeneralAntilles 's brain hurts. Sep 29 23:52:19 Too much packaging. Sep 29 23:52:23 Too much triaging. Sep 29 23:52:38 * crashanddie gives GeneralAntilles a counter-brain-hurting pill Sep 29 23:52:44 swallow my child, take it like a man Sep 29 23:52:45 No effect! Sep 29 23:52:58 I always forget this channel is logged Sep 29 23:53:06 Someday, these quotes will come back to haunt me Sep 29 23:53:59 version: 4.2008.30-2 Sep 29 23:54:14 (in about product window) Sep 29 23:54:33 crashanddie, about:plugins Sep 29 23:54:36 Tell me the Flash version Sep 29 23:55:10 and tell me the modest version Sep 29 23:55:28 flash 9.0 r48 Sep 29 23:55:35 Good Sep 29 23:56:43 GeneralAntilles, where do I get browser version? Sep 29 23:57:08 about: is still outdated Sep 29 23:57:16 apt-cache search microb-engine I guess. Sep 29 23:57:23 show Sep 29 23:57:41 thanks for help to all. see ya Sep 29 23:57:44 Package: microb-engine Version: 1.0.4-60.9 Sep 29 23:57:55 1.0.4-60.19 Sep 29 23:58:25 How about Modest? Sep 29 23:58:29 Version: 1.0-2008.35-1 Sep 29 23:58:46 24-1 Sep 29 23:58:58 Not updated Sep 29 23:58:59 OK Sep 29 23:59:00 Um Sep 29 23:59:00 ah, no Sep 29 23:59:03 apt-get -f install Sep 29 23:59:20 wait Sep 29 23:59:22 Unless you were SD booting? Sep 29 23:59:24 it says twice modest Sep 29 23:59:37 once 35-1, once 24-1 Sep 29 23:59:49 erm Sep 29 23:59:53 24-1 Sep 30 00:00:00 That'd've been the Chinook beta repo? Sep 30 00:00:11 cat /etc/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Sep 30 00:00:42 right Sep 30 00:00:53 I still have the modest chinook repo Sep 30 00:01:04 Remove it. Sep 30 00:01:12 Or don't Sep 30 00:01:12 probably doesn't matter Sep 30 00:01:13 but it's useless now. Sep 30 00:01:20 Run an apt-get -f install to be sure Sep 30 00:01:24 But I think you're good. Sep 30 00:01:37 Nokia doesn't make it easy to try a second time with their stupid repository setup. . . . Sep 30 00:02:15 hmm E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. Sep 30 00:02:31 need to get 46.6 M of archive Sep 30 00:02:42 It should be caching to mmc2. . . . Sep 30 00:02:44 I didn't upgrade in a while, probably too much at once Sep 30 00:02:56 GeneralAntilles, do you know where is the setting? Sep 30 00:02:57 GeneralAntilles, not apt-get Sep 30 00:03:00 Well, application manager caches to mmc2. Sep 30 00:03:04 ah Sep 30 00:03:09 guerby, rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* Sep 30 00:03:10 otherwise you could symlink it. Sep 30 00:03:17 crashanddie, it's empty Sep 30 00:03:31 may update a few ones manually in app manager Sep 30 00:03:45 mkdir -p /media/mmc2/apt/archives/partial Sep 30 00:04:05 rm /var/cache/apt/archives Sep 30 00:04:20 ln -s /media/mmc2/apt/archives /var/cache/apt/archives Sep 30 00:05:13 hmm Operating System is listed at 34 MB Sep 30 00:05:24 GeneralAntilles, microb seems to be faster Sep 30 00:05:39 crashanddie, you missed two speed-boosting upgrades. ;) Sep 30 00:07:05 By the way, Jaffa is the genius of the hour: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566#c14 Sep 30 00:08:36 now if only I could get microb to not piss me about "unencrypted pages" as soon as a fill out a form Sep 30 00:08:38 I'd be in heaven Sep 30 00:08:40 hey, how do I can to write to the internal memory (mmc2)? Sep 30 00:11:05 it seems to be locked, but on storage details the "read-only" checkbox is disabled Sep 30 00:12:05 henrique, sounds corrupted. Sep 30 00:12:07 N810? Sep 30 00:12:11 yes Sep 30 00:12:25 GeneralAntilles, how can I fix it then Sep 30 00:12:30 Probably still a messed up internal partition table. Sep 30 00:12:40 henrique, open up a terminal Sep 30 00:13:00 http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2008/03/do-you-use-built-in-memory-card-on-n810.html Sep 30 00:13:27 X-Fade: I just tried the maemo-sdk-dev and still lacks libmodest* Sep 30 00:13:33 X-Fade: idea? Sep 30 00:14:17 k-s, wrong person to ask. ;) Sep 30 00:14:19 thats a obvious fix, I guess why Nokia didn't use it from the beginning Sep 30 00:14:27 formatting Sep 30 00:15:16 damnit, SSU f*d my device Sep 30 00:15:22 k-s, I'd try -developers Sep 30 00:15:22 GeneralAntilles: he said today morning that he/someone was doing update about that Sep 30 00:15:26 or maybe bug Soumya Sep 30 00:15:28 * zap hates when it happens again Sep 30 00:15:29 Bah. Why there's no latest image on nokia pages? Sep 30 00:15:41 GeneralAntilles: that's why I'm asking :-) Sep 30 00:15:51 yacoob, supposedly they should be providing one. Sep 30 00:15:52 ok, fixed... crashanddie thanks! Sep 30 00:16:04 No problem Sep 30 00:16:09 what did I do? Sep 30 00:16:20 latest there is, is 23-14 Sep 30 00:16:49 ~adblock Sep 30 00:16:56 ~flashblock Sep 30 00:17:07 browser-extras.garage.maemo.org Sep 30 00:17:18 cheers Sep 30 00:17:46 there was also a gears for microb... Sep 30 00:18:40 although pretty proof-of-concept Sep 30 00:22:35 damnit Sep 30 00:22:40 what package contains the initfs? Sep 30 00:23:22 initfs-flasher Sep 30 00:24:09 worked, ty Sep 30 00:39:27 How many people are going to OP Sep 30 01:04:44 ok my n810 is back to normal, thx for your help guyes Sep 30 01:04:50 and good night :) Sep 30 01:13:29 Ok. Sep 30 01:13:31 No problem Sep 30 01:13:39 (Not like I helped you) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 30 02:59:57 2008