**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 03 02:59:57 2008 Oct 03 03:01:04 Jaffa: is there any chance some subtitle support could be added to tablet-encode? basically just detect if there's a .srt or .sub with the same name as the avi and pass some parameters to mencoder. I really don't understand perl enough to do it myself, but maybe with some pointers... Oct 03 03:04:48 I get the 'push @params' part, and I'd know pretty much what to pass, but I don't know how to add the subtitle detection logic Oct 03 03:36:04 I have to go, but actually only 1 line is needed: push @params, '-sub', 'subfile.srt'; ... the default settings look pretty well, at least with the 'best' setting Oct 03 05:30:06 Morning Oct 03 05:37:28 hi. is there a way to make the ctrl key sticky in n810 like shift and fn are? Oct 03 05:50:51 Ave: you need to change the code of the Hildon Input Method Oct 03 05:52:20 Ave: you need to change both HIM framework and Main HIM UI Oct 03 05:57:19 at source level? Oct 03 05:57:53 ie changing the rx44 xkb defs does noot do it? Oct 03 05:58:14 cant find any defs for shift nor fn atleast Oct 03 06:09:28 hmm Oct 03 06:09:41 I just had a crash of diablo Oct 03 06:09:48 as in, full reboot Oct 03 06:09:59 which means one of the watchdogs triggered Oct 03 06:10:41 wifi was active, wpa2-psk connection, browser was opened Oct 03 06:11:29 the device was connected to charger Oct 03 06:14:01 background processes: mail checker, omweather, clock Oct 03 06:14:17 desktop was visible Oct 03 06:15:47 bluetooth was inactive Oct 03 06:16:41 http://wiki.maemo.org/Reporting_reboot_issues . But in all honesty, shit happens. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a day where I didn't take out my battey (I keep watchdog disabled) Oct 03 06:17:19 well, for me it's very rare Oct 03 06:17:36 and I keep the device almost always on and use it heavily Oct 03 06:25:08 qwerty12: obviously the reason was 32wd_to Oct 03 06:25:18 which means watchdog Oct 03 06:26:25 I'd place a bet on the kernel crash. browserd is a cpu eater but I've never experienced an restart from it. you don't happen to be running ksyslogd? Oct 03 06:28:06 I've had only one occasion where I had to remove the battey feom my 810 Oct 03 06:28:53 When I got my N800, the battery was in so tight that I would use a knife to get it out. Now, even my fingers work. Oct 03 06:29:02 qwertz12: not yet, i's a fairly fresh diablo Oct 03 06:29:41 qwerty12: heh, I tended to use a zen slap to get the battery out Oct 03 06:29:58 hehe Oct 03 06:30:35 * qwerty12 bitch slaps webkit, I keep doing dodgy things for it to compile Oct 03 06:31:20 I have 2 in 32wd_to, hmm Oct 03 06:31:38 didn't notice any other reboot... Oct 03 06:32:28 an wait Oct 03 06:32:53 dduring flashing, one :P (my giving wrong options to the flasher) Oct 03 06:33:38 btw, Version: 4.2008.36-5 Oct 03 06:35:51 I see people get reboot loops with this Oct 03 06:38:06 btw, what is this EAC dsp item? Oct 03 06:38:49 I meant eap Oct 03 06:39:32 It's shit. It's only set to show if DEBUG is enabled in the kernel, but if you run a 2.6.21-omap1 kernel with DEBUG disabled, mce hangs on shutdown. I ended up commenting the eac lines to stop it from showing in kernel log Oct 03 06:39:34 oh, eap Oct 03 06:41:34 aep that is Oct 03 06:42:57 hello all Oct 03 06:43:06 what is that aep dsp module? Oct 03 06:43:23 (or should I get a disassembler and waste a day) Oct 03 06:44:17 qwerty12: mce does work w/o debug: the problem is 2.6.21-omap bug Oct 03 06:45:02 or rather, compiler bug Oct 03 06:45:37 I've been using Telepathy-haze for MSN on my N810 for a couple of weeks, and I've noticed that it doesn't allow me to initiate conversations through MSN - only receive them. I'm suspecting that this is because I use Google Talk on the N810, using the same e-mail address; when I try to start an MSN chat, it thinks it's Google Talk, tells me the remote contact is unauthorized, and bounces all messages... Oct 03 06:45:53 it works fine when I don't have a second account with the same address set up Oct 03 06:46:33 since haze is developed by someone else, I was unsure where I should file the bug. Can anyone tell me? Oct 03 06:47:02 I'm not sure what component is causing the problem, and I don't have time to go through the sources (exams ><) Oct 03 06:47:33 file a bug against the client and let them handle the component :> Oct 03 06:47:42 ok - thanks Oct 03 06:50:13 also, any idea why the Nokia Catalogue (Diablo) updates repo requires a login? I didn't have that issue previously Oct 03 06:51:14 Because there's stuff under license in there? Oct 03 06:51:26 fair enough, but it worked before Oct 03 06:51:31 as far as I recall Oct 03 06:51:41 Before Diablo was released. Oct 03 06:51:44 Way before. Oct 03 06:52:02 maybe I'm just crazy... it wouldn't be the first time :P Oct 03 06:52:39 so... is it possible to gain access to it, then? or is it restricted Oct 03 06:52:52 Sure, but it doesn't provide directory listing. Oct 03 06:52:59 I just got my N810 two weeks ago, so I'm not quite up on everything Oct 03 06:53:16 how do I get credentials for it? Oct 03 06:53:28 Check the apt patches on mxr.maemo.org for the password. Oct 03 06:53:35 thanks Oct 03 06:53:43 http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/apt-0.7.6maemo2/http-tablet- identification.patch Oct 03 06:53:49 http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/apt-0.7.6maemo2/http-tablet-identification.patch Oct 03 06:54:27 Because you can't browse the directory, what I do is grab the Packages file Oct 03 07:01:10 @General: you'll have to excuse me, but I still don't quite follow... Oct 03 07:15:42 gnuton: ok I believe I got it, hacking the hildon-input (framework) sources Oct 03 07:23:41 boo Oct 03 07:23:47 qwerty Oct 03 07:47:40 Morning, all Oct 03 07:55:41 moo, Jaffa Oct 03 08:20:10 would anybody know if it's possible to clone or serialize a gtk widget? Oct 03 09:26:04 * lcuk says good mornin in here instead Oct 03 09:26:47 morn Oct 03 09:27:02 hi sts :) Oct 03 09:27:12 * lcuk had not much sleep again Oct 03 09:29:43 are there any combined php + svg gods in the channel. i have a small thing that I spent some time struggling with and could do with some guidance. liqbase sketch files into simple svg files on my webserver. i can give base code that i've started and examples and layouts of the files needed if anyone can help Oct 03 09:32:08 pm me if you think you can. Oct 03 09:32:34 * lcuk gets on with tps reports \@/ Oct 03 09:56:32 Stskeeps: tried lxde-env got same errors http://pastebin.com/m1af9962b Oct 03 10:08:48 thux: did you use Dialog or GTK? Oct 03 10:09:39 dialog Oct 03 10:09:42 hm. Oct 03 10:09:49 i guess something went wrong in tablet-user Oct 03 10:10:07 it's a bit of a work in progress right now :) Oct 03 10:10:20 i understand Oct 03 10:10:27 thux: if you can isolate the error in tablet-user that'd be wonderful Oct 03 10:10:39 i guess you make sure you make a fresh ext3 on the partition, right? Oct 03 10:11:33 this installer is quit now but in sd card is what it installed Oct 03 10:11:38 ok Oct 03 10:11:48 where logs? Oct 03 10:11:54 it doesn't really log that well yet Oct 03 10:11:57 try chroot /mnt/deblet apt-get install tablet-user Oct 03 10:12:05 ok Oct 03 10:13:14 (i guess you didn't reboot since then, .. i hope) Oct 03 10:13:26 no Oct 03 10:18:28 (paste me what apt-get install tablet-user shows, on pastebin) Oct 03 10:19:48 Stskeeps: it first said it is newest but then configured it is it now ready to reboot? Oct 03 10:20:10 it succeeded in configuring? .. Oct 03 10:20:40 can i see the pastebin of it? Oct 03 10:20:46 yes only locale complaints Oct 03 10:21:20 no, not ready to reboot yet sadly Oct 03 10:21:42 did it during the process ask you about Tablet user real name and username and password and such? Oct 03 10:22:17 yes before installer failed Oct 03 10:22:41 besides the password, what did you put as answers? Oct 03 10:22:52 user Oct 03 10:23:05 no real name Oct 03 10:23:13 ok, that might have been the problem Oct 03 10:23:26 can you do chroot /mnt/deblet debconf-show tablet-user Oct 03 10:23:32 change your password to *** and pastebin it Oct 03 10:23:37 Yeesh http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3767 Oct 03 10:23:47 * GeneralAntilles hadn't realized he needed to bring out the kid gloves for that one. Oct 03 10:24:31 i try Oct 03 10:25:18 GeneralAntilles: hmm Oct 03 10:54:24 Wiki and planet are down. Here's to hoping it's a server move. . . . Oct 03 10:56:17 yeah Oct 03 10:59:37 It is the end of the world. Oct 03 11:00:10 HE started with the transatlantic cable as an appetizer. Oct 03 11:00:28 RST38h, the nukes went off in the wiki server. Oct 03 11:04:37 planet is working for me Oct 03 11:05:03 Apparently it's back up. Oct 03 11:05:06 :D Oct 03 11:05:14 but is it faster? Oct 03 11:05:15 . . . and feels a helluva lot faster. Oct 03 11:05:37 yup Oct 03 11:05:40 :D Oct 03 11:06:04 They pulled out Nokia 7710 from the closet and replaced the 770 with it? Oct 03 11:06:52 planet is so much faster, weeeeeeee Oct 03 11:07:25 stop the planet, i wanna get off! Oct 03 11:07:29 hi JamieBennett Oct 03 11:07:30 * RST38h goes to check: let us see how it fares after I log in Oct 03 11:07:42 Hi lcuk :) Oct 03 11:07:53 lCuK Oct 03 11:07:53 https is still a little slow though Oct 03 11:08:00 JamieBennett: how much did you end up paying for your Beagleboard/ Oct 03 11:08:18 Once you log in it is still slow =( Oct 03 11:08:24 No, no bagel this time Oct 03 11:08:25 I replied to your comment but to cut a long story short about £105 Oct 03 11:08:31 * lcuk cant afford a beagleboard or a pandora :( Oct 03 11:08:59 lcuk: let us just save for N9x0 Oct 03 11:09:09 I have a serial cable coming from ebay now as its one of them 10 pin header jobbies Oct 03 11:09:12 JamieBennett: hey, that's not bad. Is that just some special discount? Oct 03 11:09:13 'cause the first is a devkit and the second is vapor =) Oct 03 11:09:37 * Jaffa reads JamieBennett's blog comment Oct 03 11:09:40 Jaffa: No, £89 delivered + £15.46 import duty Oct 03 11:09:42 Shame I've <0 money. Oct 03 11:09:44 So about £105 Oct 03 11:09:48 It was $195 here. Oct 03 11:09:54 With a power adaptor Oct 03 11:09:57 lol RST38h yeah right, where do saving come from Oct 03 11:10:22 lcuk: you have still got two kidneys, haven't you? =) Oct 03 11:10:23 * lcuk hasn't got a moneytree Oct 03 11:10:28 PMSL Oct 03 11:10:53 hang on, thats actually a possibility - they pay more for young healthy organs dont they :D Oct 03 11:11:03 * lcuk dreams up imaginary ideas of auctioning off his kids Oct 03 11:11:20 lcuk: children!!! Oct 03 11:11:25 great minds think alike Oct 03 11:11:51 lcuk: Or you can sell off some secret gov documents you have found in the subway Oct 03 11:12:38 Isn't it going to be a classic UK story glorified by Sherlock Holmes novels? Oct 03 11:12:47 i only found people playing games on old pdas, no gov docs :( Oct 03 11:12:59 shit Oct 03 11:13:12 Jaffa: Got as far as making sure the leds light up with the BB but no further. Really need a serial cable and a whole lot of time. I'll have more of a play tonight, I'm determined to get some bling on it (I even have a touch screen here to attach :)) Oct 03 11:13:45 Make sure you get the correct serial cable. Oct 03 11:13:46 JamieBennett: :) Oct 03 11:14:10 GeneralAntilles: Its the 10 pin header jobbies. Ordered from ebay. Oct 03 11:14:13 lcuk: should set up a donation paypal for liqbase :P Oct 03 11:14:17 JamieBennett, the general is right, so go to his blog and read his notes and then do the opposite ;) Oct 03 11:14:27 yes stskeeps i should :) Oct 03 11:14:30 Make sure it's a straight-through adaptor 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, etc. Oct 03 11:14:40 but i dunno how to do that, im not a webman Oct 03 11:14:50 lcuk: it's pretty simple afaik.. sec Oct 03 11:14:53 JamieBennett, just be careful if you decide to flash a new u-boot and xloader onto NAND. Oct 03 11:15:01 GeneralAntilles, !!! time to finally bring your stylish interface into play Oct 03 11:15:07 Its recoverable though from what I read Oct 03 11:15:10 Personally, I'd recommend just booting off ones on the card. Oct 03 11:15:14 JamieBennett, yeah, well. Oct 03 11:15:46 lcuk, content? Oct 03 11:15:54 Have you posted your finding with the BB on your blog? Oct 03 11:15:55 Or just so you can fill it with PayPal buttons? :P Oct 03 11:16:09 uh huh - im about half a coding day from first package :) so yes Oct 03 11:16:11 lol Oct 03 11:16:11 JamieBennett, my only blog is maemo.org/community/council :P Oct 03 11:16:17 :( Oct 03 11:16:36 JamieBennett, I have learned quite a bit along the way, so let me know if you run into any roadblocks. ;) Oct 03 11:16:48 by the end of the weekend i hope to have the first package at least in extras dev, its quite nice now Oct 03 11:16:54 The wiki pages on elinux.org are pretty good, though. Oct 03 11:17:04 lcuk: merchant services -> "Donations", and there's a nice guide Oct 03 11:17:07 General Antilles: If you have notes then please send them my way, I'll still reading the documentation on beagleboard.org Oct 03 11:17:08 / wizard Oct 03 11:17:27 and there was a guy at the summit showing off an SVG customizable VKB - ive just hit him up and see if he wants to bring some of his greatness in to make the keyboard work well Oct 03 11:17:50 JamieBennett, only two lines of bootargs, unfortunately. Oct 03 11:17:56 Stskeeps, am i a merchant? i think we have a palpal account - tracy keeps gettin shoes from ebay so i assume so Oct 03 11:18:28 lcuk: there's no startup fees afaik so Oct 03 11:19:23 JamieBennett, RST38h, part of the https slowness is because it's not cached. Oct 03 11:19:25 lcuk: i can recommend it atleast, we've gotten quite a bit of donations in my other project :P Oct 03 11:19:37 oh cripes, ill go through it during the weekend, :) "live" sketching now works and from the special new screen will automatically try to upload your sketch to liqbase.net. i started coding .liqsketch -> svg in php last night but it needs some more work Oct 03 11:19:37 GeneralAntilles: Yes Oct 03 11:20:17 Stskeeps, can we push the same initfs image for both the N800 and N810? Oct 03 11:21:11 GeneralAntilles: i think so, fanoush's only patch based on initfs version Oct 03 11:21:20 and in latest update he only updated one version / file Oct 03 11:21:30 General: This is a dummy reason Oct 03 11:21:55 General: Of course it is not cached: it has to process requests for dynamic content Oct 03 11:22:05 did real me fall out? Oct 03 11:22:15 Nope Oct 03 11:22:15 RST38h, http is faster because it's cached. Oct 03 11:22:17 General: The real question is why the system that provides dynamic content (Midgard?) is so damn slow? Oct 03 11:22:24 hmmm vnc at home has stopped responding Oct 03 11:22:28 hope the house hasnt burnt down Oct 03 11:22:29 lcuk: no ping response Oct 03 11:22:30 Because it's on a slow server. Oct 03 11:22:40 Stskeeps, do you want to start thinking about a .deb deployment? Oct 03 11:22:43 Why is it STILL on a slow server? Oct 03 11:22:58 It takes <$2000 to get a server nowadays Oct 03 11:22:59 GeneralAntilles: i can think of it but i think we should have fanoush in over it Oct 03 11:23:08 Stskeeps: heh, i gathered that much Oct 03 11:23:20 RST38h, presumably because they're still working on the changeover. Oct 03 11:23:32 GeneralAntilles: diversity in boot menus already cause problems (penguinbait's, fanoush's, my set.. etc) Oct 03 11:23:36 Stskeeps, hehe, add another item to the end of his list? ;) Oct 03 11:23:48 General: Well, my guess is that the server is not to blame here Oct 03 11:23:50 he's more than open to people helping out Oct 03 11:23:53 i have bootmenu svn access so Oct 03 11:24:16 Nah, that sounds good. Oct 03 11:24:23 General: It is Midgard to blame and somebody should at least check just what database queries it is making Oct 03 11:24:31 Whenever rm_you gets active again I'm going to accost him with plans for a GUI bootmenu control panel. Oct 03 11:25:12 General: Example: SELECT random_shit FROM USERS WHERE NAME=login Oct 03 11:25:44 General: nice looking query that will be dog slow if your USERS have not been indexed by NAME Oct 03 11:26:00 lcuk's burning house is back online! Oct 03 11:26:00 :p Oct 03 11:26:17 lcuk_urg: i wonder same thing when my home stops responding Oct 03 11:26:18 :P Oct 03 11:26:54 !!!! Oct 03 11:26:54 lcuk_urg: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command. Oct 03 11:27:14 * lcuk3 is a pheonix Oct 03 11:27:27 or a phoenix outside of liqland Oct 03 11:27:39 oh ffs i fail at life Oct 03 11:27:46 why's that? Oct 03 11:27:50 Well, duh. Oct 03 11:27:56 lcuk3: some years ago when there was a server room fire at some uni in netherlands, people could watch temperature rising of their soon-to-be-burnt-to-death hds Oct 03 11:27:59 * aquatix stumbles in Oct 03 11:28:00 :P Oct 03 11:28:01 cos i can't spell :) Oct 03 11:28:08 lol sts Oct 03 11:28:21 do you have to? Oct 03 11:28:28 Stskeeps: heh, yeah Oct 03 11:29:02 RST38h: yes its more self-facepalmish than anything cos i *know* things are wrong, i just cant type them correctly the first time Oct 03 11:29:22 psychiatrists have a word for that. Oct 03 11:29:38 [I don't remember which one. Psychiatrists have a word for THAT too.] Oct 03 11:30:27 in your case thats alzheimer's :P Oct 03 11:30:37 Oh really? =) Oct 03 11:30:43 COOL! Oct 03 11:30:59 lcuk_urg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire seems relevant at this point Oct 03 11:31:44 heh Oct 03 11:32:49 Stskeeps: a year or two before I came here, there was a cooling system failure in the server room. the backup cooling sent excess heat out in the air. Oct 03 11:33:05 hehe Oct 03 11:33:06 Stskeeps: it started a grass fire on the outside of the building :) Oct 03 11:33:21 back in a bit Oct 03 11:33:55 (and I think the fire destroyed the fiber to the building, too) Oct 03 11:36:26 GeneralAntilles: https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/bootmenu-devel btw Oct 03 11:37:39 GeneralAntilles: even if fremantle changes boot process, it's still far off.. it's just silly there's no real info on -what- changes Oct 03 11:37:42 :P Oct 03 11:39:58 (.. and that statement came out of the blue. going drinking tonight - really sounds like a good idea) Oct 03 12:17:16 hi all :) Oct 03 13:02:01 my god, has the internet stopped, ive never seen it so dead in here on an afternoon Oct 03 13:04:34 people are out drinking? Oct 03 13:04:37 i know i will tonight Oct 03 13:04:50 just came from a drink :) Oct 03 13:05:34 mmmmm drinking Oct 03 13:06:01 that sounds like a really good idea :) i think ill go out on the lash tomorrow night after i push a package somewhere Oct 03 13:07:16 pushing a package anywhere in particular? Oct 03 13:07:19 thanks, laters Oct 03 13:08:18 yer johnx, after a test with the people in #liqbase i will get it into extras-dev :) Oct 03 13:08:58 its very nearly done now, ive covered everything i think i need at app side, its just garnish on the server needed Oct 03 13:27:50 i'm not able to spot any discussion on the via ITT search: after latest upgrade, browser right click menu is borked... cannnot open link in new window. Is this a common/known problem? Oct 03 13:28:31 chrisak_, I'll check here Oct 03 13:28:51 thanks Oct 03 13:30:00 works fine here Oct 03 13:30:03 is this on every page? Oct 03 13:30:56 so far.... odd. the top two menu items are "Play..." Oct 03 13:31:31 "Play"? Oct 03 13:31:36 that's not on my menu Oct 03 13:31:43 did you install some extension? Oct 03 13:32:56 nope, i've got a pretty straight forward setup.... nothing really different installed. in fact, everything else post upgrade is great Oct 03 13:34:14 i get that odd right click menu even with google links on default start page, ITT site, everything page so far :/ Oct 03 13:34:33 What are the other options in the menu? Oct 03 13:37:54 is there rotation x-server/kernel for diablo 36-5? Oct 03 13:38:03 play..., play..., copy link location, zoom (sub menu), navigation (sub menu), details, and help Oct 03 13:39:13 browser works perfect otherwise Oct 03 13:39:45 i get odd menu onliy when right clicking a link Oct 03 13:41:04 hrw: http://outpo.st/rotate/ (.install does not work yet) Oct 03 13:41:22 chrisak_, so you get a normal menu when right clicking the background area of a web page? Oct 03 13:41:36 it appears to be Oct 03 13:42:12 adding bookmark, zooming, etc Oct 03 13:42:37 jott: thx Oct 03 13:43:06 heh, i feel like a discovered a new species :) Oct 03 13:43:42 chrisak_, and what happens when you click "Play..."? Oct 03 13:44:38 it tries to open the link in kmplayer Oct 03 13:45:21 hmmm... Oct 03 13:46:03 the 2nd "play" tries to open link in default media player Oct 03 13:46:14 now that's a lead :) Oct 03 13:48:16 its not a critical problem, just an oddity.... i 'open in new window' a lot.. Thankfully no serious problems... i'm backpacking in asia long term and rreflashing is not rreally an option :) Oct 03 13:48:40 if I had to guess, I'd bet it's connected to kmplayer Oct 03 13:48:49 do you have dbus-switchboard installed as well? Oct 03 13:49:05 no Oct 03 13:50:21 Stskeeps: now it works, can i set resolution to same as diablo use? bit too small fonts to me Oct 03 13:51:00 i uninstalled world tv and kmplayer... now i have 1 "play...." Oct 03 13:51:14 thux, the resolution is the same. set the font size in settings -> appearance Oct 03 13:51:31 still no 'open link in new window' Oct 03 13:51:46 chrisak_, O_o Oct 03 13:51:57 johnx_: ok thanks Oct 03 13:52:05 chrisak_, you've discovered a new species. congratulations. :P Oct 03 13:54:22 yay, chris-bug.... if only that was the only bug i catch on this backpacking trip :) i will try to post about this in ITT soon and see if anyone else has this problem.... thanks for helping :) Oct 03 13:55:30 chrisak_, sure. I searched ITT a little bit, but didn't find much. I hope you have better luck than me :) Oct 03 13:57:04 jott: thx - it works :) Oct 03 13:57:14 too bad that software is hardcoded to 800x480 Oct 03 13:57:47 hrw, only hildon desktop is for the most part...and a couple other annoying apps Oct 03 13:58:16 control-panel Oct 03 13:58:20 heh Oct 03 13:58:38 that too. it's layout gets slightly screwed up if you even change scroll bar size Oct 03 13:58:49 s/size/width Oct 03 14:00:25 parting thought: if anyone reading is interested in rss/podcast apps.... this PenguinTV app recently appearing (extras? develop? not sure which) is really neat Oct 03 14:02:24 how's hildlet going? Oct 03 14:02:36 -> johnx Oct 03 14:04:00 Stskeeps, one thing at a time. :P first I'll package my sawfish hacks Oct 03 14:04:13 I want to stop thinking about those before I get into something else Oct 03 14:04:35 chrisak_, awesome! thanks for the heads up Oct 03 14:05:04 welcome :) Oct 03 14:10:23 hello Oct 03 14:10:45 is there anyone using pocketsphinx_continuous here ? Oct 03 14:12:13 someone has maemo sdk and can build one thing for me? Oct 03 14:15:10 hrw, can do Oct 03 14:15:47 ah.. its C.. no way to declare vars in code.. Oct 03 14:20:13 inz: http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/personal-menu-0.7-xrandr.tar.bz2 - can you try to build it? Oct 03 14:29:11 is it possible to configure the device to run a command after a network connection is established? Oct 03 14:29:21 dbus-scripts Oct 03 14:29:37 man ifup Oct 03 14:31:43 anyone else has the new claws-mail segfaulting on them? Oct 03 14:31:53 3.6.0 shows a white window, then segfaults here Oct 03 14:32:25 woglinde, ifup isn't used on the tablet Oct 03 14:32:32 inz: does it builds at all? Oct 03 14:32:39 johny for usbnet you can use it Oct 03 14:32:48 hrw, it has some missing build-dependencies Oct 03 14:32:49 and he didnt say which inet connecntion Oct 03 14:33:05 inz: on libxrandr-dev basically Oct 03 14:33:09 woglinde, sorry, I just assumed Oct 03 14:33:20 hrw, others too, but mainly that Oct 03 14:33:38 inz: I took it from garage and hacked xrandr into it Oct 03 14:34:51 hrw: http://pastebin.com/d466ce3af Oct 03 14:35:28 thx Oct 03 14:36:00 s/display_name/NULL Oct 03 14:37:29 Changed that, these errors still remain: http://pastebin.com/d29666b3e Oct 03 14:37:55 hi Oct 03 14:38:23 hrw, http://inz.fi/personal-menu_0.7-6_armel.deb Oct 03 14:38:24 i can't delete files from the internal mmc on my n810, is there anything i can do? Oct 03 14:38:37 gracuas Oct 03 14:39:10 Added a int xscreen and replaced two screens with xscreen Oct 03 14:40:37 qwerty12: you're the man! Oct 03 14:41:29 hm. looks like patch needs to be done in other place Oct 03 14:42:26 qwerty12 is that you code? Oct 03 14:42:32 or you only try to compile? Oct 03 14:42:38 woglinde: only trying to compile Oct 03 14:42:44 it's hrw's code Oct 03 14:42:49 * qwerty12 can't code for shit :) Oct 03 14:43:01 qwerty hehe you could learn it Oct 03 14:43:05 its not my code - I just hacked it a bit Oct 03 14:43:08 I learned it too Oct 03 14:43:38 I'm more of a modder, I usually apply tiny modifications to other people's work :) Oct 03 14:43:44 is the 'testing maemo extras' repository a replacement for maemo extras? Oct 03 14:44:15 nope, it's for potentially unstable software Oct 03 14:44:36 so may not want it activated on a dist-upgrade Oct 03 14:44:51 install what I need and disable it Oct 03 14:45:24 * qwerty12 wouldn't recommend an dist-upgrade on maemo in any circumstances Oct 03 14:45:55 be very careful if you plan to do a dist-upgrade for some reason Oct 03 14:46:06 I got the ssu that way...after a bit of work Oct 03 14:50:08 are you guys keeping your chinook repos active? Oct 03 15:33:45 i hear that a read-only internal mmc is a known issue, is there a workaround for that? Oct 03 15:34:03 it's full an i can't delete anythin Oct 03 15:34:23 this might be because it's corrupted Oct 03 15:34:30 try checking it Oct 03 15:34:55 fsck.vfat Oct 03 15:35:15 umgh Oct 03 15:35:28 oh, there's something "Read 32 bytes at 2022019072:Input/output error" Oct 03 15:36:08 robsta: hmm, fraid your mmc card may be foobared Oct 03 15:36:08 hm Oct 03 15:36:26 yes seems so Oct 03 15:36:40 robtaylor: awesome, after like switching on like 10 times Oct 03 15:36:47 maybe repartition and badblock cans work Oct 03 15:37:00 robsta: Is it an N810 and are you using 48Mhz sd speed kernel? Oct 03 15:37:14 n810, latest software Oct 03 15:37:24 more than likely its full partition and corrupt table thats hit Oct 03 15:37:37 * lcuk doesnt write onto his mmc2 anymore Oct 03 15:37:45 lcuk: why? Oct 03 15:37:47 * qwerty12 always does. I have an N800 ;) Oct 03 15:38:06 the 810 shipped with an incorrectly formatted partition if i remember rightly Oct 03 15:38:23 well, you can fix that by reformatting Oct 03 15:38:26 it lies about total sectors so corrupts itself when it gets full Oct 03 15:38:42 robsta, as lcuk said, I had to repartition it too, so, backup your data, delete the partition and create it again Oct 03 15:38:52 yer can do, but quite simply cant be arsed backing up and reformatting Oct 03 15:39:02 its just maps :) Oct 03 15:39:18 lcuk: Oh come on, you can redownload these maps and the UK maps are not very large anyway Oct 03 15:39:20 * lcuk will invest time on the problem when it occurs, its enough to know it exists Oct 03 15:39:33 lcuk: And the rest you can easily copy to the external card Oct 03 15:39:41 no i cant Oct 03 15:39:46 why? Oct 03 15:39:47 external card==1gb Oct 03 15:39:49 hehe Oct 03 15:39:59 good to know is that there is solution Oct 03 15:40:00 could anyone help me out with repartitioning quickly? not done that in a long time Oct 03 15:40:03 lcuk: Isn't it a reaosn enough to buy a new external card? Oct 03 15:40:08 ^ Oct 03 15:40:16 *Some* N810s shipped with a broken partition table. Oct 03 15:40:24 no, my 810 works perfectly and i develop happily on it - why rock the boat Oct 03 15:40:43 im not gonna fuck around and waste time with it when i have more important things to do Oct 03 15:40:47 Jaffa: ...although given the amount of reports, it is quite possible that "some"=="all" in marketing speech Oct 03 15:41:11 lcuk: some say that using the built in file manager to reformat is enough Oct 03 15:41:12 Perhaps. One would hope that it's fixed *now* Oct 03 15:41:17 and besides, with my console foo i'll make the problem worse ;) Oct 03 15:41:22 Anybody tried BOS Wars? Is it worth trying? Oct 03 15:41:41 lcuk: you can check if your mmc2 is in danger by checking its size Oct 03 15:41:48 qwerty12, possibly, but "if it aint broke (properly), then dont try to fix it" Oct 03 15:42:05 But if you aint checked it, how do you know it is broke :P Oct 03 15:42:05 i know RST38h and im happy that the static content on it isnt gonna grow Oct 03 15:42:25 well my maps still work and theres free space on it, chill :) Oct 03 15:42:32 And if you can't trust a nokia program, what can you trust?... Oct 03 15:42:37 * lcuk is happy Oct 03 15:42:40 :) Oct 03 15:42:40 hihi Oct 03 15:42:44 qwerty: Nokia hardware? Oct 03 15:43:09 ~curse Nokia PC Suite just because any reason is enough to curse this abomination Oct 03 15:43:10 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Nokia PC Suite just because any reason is enough to curse this abomination ! Oct 03 15:43:19 RST38h: True, I do have to say, the build quality on my N800 is brilliant Oct 03 15:44:29 actually, 810s are quite shoddily made Oct 03 15:44:54 the casing is somewhat assymetric and the silvery paint tends to wear off Oct 03 15:45:05 + front panel is a scratch magnet Oct 03 15:50:33 ok, after repairing rw mounting work Oct 03 15:50:33 s Oct 03 15:52:29 what would i use to repartition? Oct 03 15:52:54 cfdisk, fdisk not found Oct 03 15:53:39 try to install them? Oct 03 15:54:13 sfdisk... Oct 03 15:54:30 just find cfdisk Oct 03 15:54:47 hang on, I'll dig it up Oct 03 15:54:50 cfdisk is in the deblet repo iirc Oct 03 15:54:50 mkfs Oct 03 15:54:55 there's no good reason to use sfdisk Oct 03 15:54:59 sfdisk is there Oct 03 15:55:01 mkfs repairs partitions well Oct 03 15:55:10 RST38h, uhm, what? Oct 03 15:55:16 I know. sfdisk is disgusting but it's shipped with tablet. Oct 03 15:55:18 johnx: shshsh ;) Oct 03 15:55:39 :P can't tell when you're joking Oct 03 15:57:02 Is there any preferred method to "suspend" a compile? Oct 03 15:57:20 ctrl+c Oct 03 15:57:23 ? Oct 03 15:57:30 thanks guys Oct 03 15:57:34 Not close, pause. I guess I could ctrl + z Oct 03 15:57:43 looks like everything's back on track Oct 03 15:57:48 ctrl+z will just background it won't it? Oct 03 15:57:52 or am I confused Oct 03 15:58:03 yes, usually Oct 03 15:58:07 Hmm, probably does background it. Oct 03 15:58:23 qwerty12: ctrl+c will stop it, and then you can just rerun the make command, and it should pick up from where it left off Oct 03 15:58:24 * qwerty12 is confused. I'll just use htop or something. Oct 03 15:58:42 summatusmentis: ah, ok, thanks Oct 03 15:59:10 _should_ :) That's how it works for kernel compiles, I assume it's the same for all else Oct 03 15:59:36 * qwerty12 hopes it's same for webkit, I don't have enough hours in day for that :) Oct 03 15:59:56 stupid pos fails on linking Oct 03 15:59:58 I assume it is, it's just make Oct 03 16:00:34 it'll re-build everything if you change parts of the source that have already been built, fyi Oct 03 16:15:14 Is there anyway to implement the followign in maemo: SSH in as a regular user and then su to root (where you have to know the root password) Oct 03 16:17:12 Hi ! Oct 03 16:21:32 cyrus___: is there *any* way? yes; set a root password, disable root ssh logins, disable gainroot, enable /etc/sudoers for the commands you want. Oct 03 16:21:37 Same as any other Linux distro. Oct 03 16:23:27 * Khertan_n810 don t understand why ui seems to be frozen when i launch 250 python thread doing a socket connection Oct 03 16:24:35 khertan do u think the whole python engine is single threaded? Oct 03 16:25:11 or are the sockets blocking? Oct 03 16:25:15 GeneralAntilles: lolz Oct 03 16:25:23 GeneralAntilles: that would be very useful, actually Oct 03 16:25:33 and probably not especially difficult Oct 03 16:25:39 moontiger ... i think the cpu is burning while doing that Oct 03 16:26:04 hmmmmmmmm u think thats it? Oct 03 16:27:26 yep Oct 03 16:28:06 why 250 threads btw? Oct 03 16:28:49 ~help Oct 03 16:29:06 because i made some tests and i ve 250 event in the my calendar database Oct 03 16:29:15 Jaffa - hmm...might not be following. if I setup sudoers to run su, isn't it going to ask for the users password, not the root password when running that command Oct 03 16:29:15 +s Oct 03 16:29:25 Jaffa - I want it to ask for the root password Oct 03 16:29:33 eeesh ... a thread per event?? Oct 03 16:30:02 yep just a test Oct 03 16:30:12 heh cool :) Oct 03 16:30:21 ~lart Manuel Oct 03 16:30:22 * infobot whacks Manuel with a giant beaver's tail Oct 03 16:30:23 cyrus___: hmm, I thought there was an option for that in sudoers, if not - install su ;-) Oct 03 16:30:30 to see how tablet manage that Oct 03 16:30:44 and apparently it doesnt Oct 03 16:30:50 Jaffa - there is su intalled, but if I run su - it returns - applet requires root privileges Oct 03 16:30:52 :/ Oct 03 16:31:40 maybe thread pooling is a better idea :) Oct 03 16:32:40 * moontiger yawns and stretches Oct 03 16:33:35 cyrus___: it's because it's part of busybox. rename it to su.real, create a small shell script which is chmod u+s, called 'su' which execs su.real Oct 03 16:34:37 * moontiger thinks about getting up Oct 03 16:57:47 * lcuk puts 10p in the machine Oct 03 16:58:48 hey Havi Oct 03 17:02:10 hi johnx Oct 03 17:03:08 is it possible to do usb master mode on the n800? Oct 03 17:03:22 usb host mode? certainly Oct 03 17:03:29 whoops, yes, sorry Oct 03 17:03:45 is there something special I need to do in software, or do I just need to find a suitable cable Oct 03 17:03:47 You can even make it charge itself via USB. ;) Oct 03 17:03:54 o.O Oct 03 17:04:38 pumpkin_, there are a couple pieces of software that can set the USB mode Oct 03 17:05:57 cool, I just googled and found some info Oct 03 17:06:02 thanks :) Oct 03 17:06:08 google > irc Oct 03 17:06:10 :) Oct 03 17:06:18 I should've done it first Oct 03 17:06:25 irc > google, but one should check the latter first :P Oct 03 17:06:26 I've said that many times. :) Oct 03 17:06:46 (said I should've googled first) Oct 03 17:06:50 pumpkin_, the slightly harder part is finding a cable to hook everything up Oct 03 17:06:53 and yeah, I have to agree. :) Oct 03 17:06:56 irc > google Oct 03 17:07:13 johnx_: yeah, I'd imagine Oct 03 17:07:35 You can just use a female->female adapter with the stock cable. Oct 03 17:08:19 http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-usb-023-afafrbig.jpg Oct 03 17:08:48 cool, thanks Oct 03 17:08:56 http://www.usbfirewire.com/uconverters.html Oct 03 17:09:02 or wherever Oct 03 17:09:14 makes sense, thanks a lot! Oct 03 17:10:01 You're welcmoe. Oct 03 17:10:02 ome Oct 03 17:10:14 I need a good task management tool. :( Oct 03 17:13:04 heh, Karoliina Salminen posted a video from her trip to the summit, about the only thing in it relating to n8x0s are clips from liqbase :D Oct 03 17:13:09 http://vimeo.com/1790444?pg=embed&sec=1790444 Oct 03 17:15:32 * Stskeeps watches Oct 03 17:16:49 karoliina should do intro music like in XP, .. for maemo Oct 03 17:16:49 :P Oct 03 17:17:27 its quite mello stuff, brought back a lot of great memories Oct 03 17:18:29 * Stskeeps 's gf just left 15 mins ago for 6 months internship in berlin :P Oct 03 17:18:40 oh noes! Oct 03 17:18:41 where are you? Oct 03 17:18:59 well, in denmark, so not -that- far :P Oct 03 17:19:01 but still Oct 03 17:19:07 .. more development time, i guess :P Oct 03 17:19:09 that sucks Stskeeps, but we promise to keep you company Oct 03 17:19:11 .. more cooking Oct 03 17:19:19 ... more pizza! Oct 03 17:19:33 johnx_, sod Stskeeps; theres a lonely girl in berlin - im gettin a ticket :P ;) Oct 03 17:19:43 hehe Oct 03 17:19:58 bah, it's only a 625km drive. easy, easy Oct 03 17:20:05 I'd visit every weekend if I were you :) Oct 03 17:20:09 no car ;) Oct 03 17:20:11 Stskeeps, whats she had to go that far for? Oct 03 17:20:25 lcuk: international department of danish company Oct 03 17:20:50 trainee which may lead to junior consulantship Oct 03 17:20:56 hrm, someone recall how to turn on bluetooth visibility of a device in debian? Oct 03 17:21:01 Stskeeps, cars are cheap. look at the one I got for $500! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/compdscn2966.jpg Oct 03 17:21:08 johnx_: do you recall? Oct 03 17:21:19 johnx_, I'll give you £250 for it! Oct 03 17:21:20 johnx_: no driving license ;) Oct 03 17:21:30 Stskeeps, who needs a license :P Oct 03 17:21:35 yes Stskeeps, careers, mmmnmmm Oct 03 17:21:42 mmm...usually there's an applet in the GUI :) Oct 03 17:21:50 rm_you, ^ Oct 03 17:21:53 lol john, i loved that car :P Oct 03 17:22:07 I have dbus-scripts configured and working, but need some help figuring out my problem w/ssh. I create a local tunnel (for my proxy) and a remote tunnel (for ease of typing and cases of theft), but the remote tunnel isn't working Oct 03 17:22:11 that's the one that looked like a penguin, yes? :P Oct 03 17:22:27 rm_you, yup Oct 03 17:22:34 ^_^ Oct 03 17:22:38 qwerty12, sorry, someone already beat you to it a while ago Oct 03 17:22:41 * rm_you fails at finding the bluetooth control applet Oct 03 17:23:07 rm_you, run bluetooth-applet Oct 03 17:23:08 * qwerty12 cries after hearing that news from johnx_ :( Oct 03 17:23:21 gah. "boot in 5 seconds" threads on iTT Oct 03 17:23:25 and people asking about it for deblet too Oct 03 17:23:26 lovely Oct 03 17:23:41 qwerty12, did you look at it? Why do you want a car like that? Oct 03 17:23:50 oh. Oct 03 17:23:52 there it was >_> Oct 03 17:24:02 Stskeeps, now you know why I stopped talking on the forums for the most part... Oct 03 17:24:32 johnx_, if I smash it up when speeding, no worries :P. Actually, I was at a car auction and saw a old old austin maestro go for £20 Oct 03 17:24:38 johnx_: the debian subforum is (thank god) semi-sane atleast :P Oct 03 17:24:48 there was a messeging app (including voice) which supported several protocols (gtalk, icq, msn) and was available for the tablet but it wasn't gizmo5 I think...was it that or something else? Oct 03 17:24:59 johnx_: but i do want to try experiments like preload and finit-alt though Oct 03 17:25:10 liri, pidgin? Oct 03 17:25:33 qwerty12, that car had some...issues Oct 03 17:26:08 heh Oct 03 17:26:15 I thought it was something else, kinda commercial like gizmo5 Oct 03 17:26:24 rm_you: you love doing control panel applets btw for maemo? Oct 03 17:26:28 the car didnt have issues, it knew it wasnted to die, you wouldnt let it though Oct 03 17:26:46 Stskeeps: wouldn't say "love", it's just what I have experience with now >_> Oct 03 17:27:04 lcuk, nah, just some of the things unrelated to it being a car didn't quite work perfectly Oct 03 17:27:04 lcuk: still want pictures of your wooden thing >_< Oct 03 17:27:21 rm_you, he put them up before. you missed them :P Oct 03 17:27:26 there's that telepathy haze or whatever app that's supposed to integrate with the phone's contacts etc, isn't it? Oct 03 17:27:27 damnit! >_< Oct 03 17:27:28 rm_you: GA's pushing a bit getting into community versions of maemo or something.. and one thing would be for example a control panel for boot items like i have in mine Oct 03 17:27:41 Stskeeps: yeah he pinged me about it earlier Oct 03 17:27:43 liri, rtcomm-beta? Oct 03 17:27:50 I'd prolly be up for that Oct 03 17:28:03 ffs rm_you i gave you one Oct 03 17:28:23 I was planning to work on the route/tile server for vector maps in Maemo Mapper when I actually got some free time... Oct 03 17:28:26 * Stskeeps would really love some standarization of bootmenu personally Oct 03 17:28:31 the new rm_you: now with more fail Oct 03 17:28:31 but that would probably also be very useful Oct 03 17:28:35 lol Oct 03 17:28:43 lcuk: link me again :P Oct 03 17:28:48 i only show up here like once every 3 days Oct 03 17:28:56 so they scroll off if i've left already Oct 03 17:29:28 rm_you, grep lcuk .xchat/xchatlogs/Freenode-#maemo.log | grep -i jpg Oct 03 17:29:35 johnx_: I think that's the one yeah... that's not released already? Oct 03 17:29:43 fantastic, one beer and i feel tipsy already Oct 03 17:29:50 this is going to be a cheap evening of partyig Oct 03 17:30:29 Stskeeps, the best kind Oct 03 17:30:41 rm_you, over here :P http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg Oct 03 17:31:03 had some pills at one point, made 4x more drunker. that saved my budget as a student :P Oct 03 17:31:05 http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoUrls Oct 03 17:31:06 +me Oct 03 17:31:20 rm_you, to prove it, look at the top imageshack image Oct 03 17:32:23 yeah yeah i see it now :P Oct 03 17:32:24 sweet Oct 03 17:32:32 * lcuk hits you round the head with it Oct 03 17:32:35 anyway, really do gotta run now Oct 03 17:32:55 cya later - and try not to fall asleep in the bogs tongiht Oct 03 17:32:59 lol Oct 03 17:33:14 wait... did hrw di a personalmenu that supports rotation display? Oct 03 17:33:33 just see "http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/personal-menu-0.7-xrandr.tar.bz2" in the links Oct 03 17:34:00 rm_you, uhm, maybe. not sure Oct 03 17:34:12 rm_you, now go, you'll be late for class :P Oct 03 17:34:26 hi gnuton Oct 03 17:34:34 hi Oct 03 17:34:41 lcuk, had I made such page; I had no memory of such thing ;) Oct 03 17:34:46 woglinde: Hi bot Oct 03 17:35:03 inz? Oct 03 17:35:13 is that page yours? Oct 03 17:35:18 yes Oct 03 17:35:27 lol Oct 03 17:35:33 ahhhahh most useful bit of hackery :) Oct 03 17:35:37 nice try Oct 03 17:35:42 See the bottom right Oct 03 17:35:47 but turing is not enough Oct 03 17:36:25 ahhh inz, yes white background with white text stands out so well :D i was wondering why i never notieced it before ;) Oct 03 17:37:06 you oculd actually make it easier to see by having it visible on summer solstice morning when connected at gps coordinates -24.005982843, 2340938 and holding aloft a cat to the moongods Oct 03 17:37:45 anyway :) thank you ive been pulling it up for a few months now Oct 03 17:38:37 lcuk, it's not my fault, it's trac default ;) Oct 03 17:56:18 does anyone have a gizmo account? I'd like to try this thing on the n810 Oct 03 17:57:15 * qwerty12 curses as I make a window "100% transparent" Oct 03 18:00:31 bah, how do I make the frackin on screen keyboard show up Oct 03 18:01:47 Sargun_Screen, go to control panel, set it so the big keyboard always comes up Oct 03 18:02:09 I dont always want it to come up though Oct 03 18:03:41 Sargun_Screen, go into control panel and put a tick inside "have cake" and another inside "eat it too" Oct 03 18:03:53 lcuk++ Oct 03 18:11:27 back Oct 03 18:13:02 rm_you: no - it was just ugly hack which does not work Oct 03 18:13:33 hrw, you've seen rm_you's adv backlight with rotation control, right? Oct 03 18:13:34 lol Oct 03 18:13:44 johnx_: I use it Oct 03 18:13:49 rm_you, so much for "have to leave right now" :P Oct 03 18:13:53 i did Oct 03 18:13:56 and then i came back Oct 03 18:14:02 JUST got back Oct 03 18:14:06 to hear xchat beep at me :P Oct 03 18:14:07 that was fast Oct 03 18:14:14 i just had to eat / shower :P Oct 03 18:14:20 no more classes today Oct 03 18:14:31 saves time when you do those at the same time I guess... Oct 03 18:14:56 going to the shooting range, then dinner with GF possibly, then dunno :P Oct 03 18:16:13 then combine them all! dinner at the shooting range with your girlfriend Oct 03 18:16:16 multitask! Oct 03 18:16:49 lol Oct 03 18:36:11 rm_you, quite easy, in fact, especially with Stskeeeps new .item system. Oct 03 18:39:29 hrm ok will look in a bit Oct 03 18:39:33 gotta run for real now :P Oct 03 18:40:33 rm_you's always on the run Oct 03 18:40:51 * rm_you runs Oct 03 18:41:10 * GAN800 fires after him. Oct 03 18:42:58 Ew Oct 03 18:43:20 rm_you: you shot your girlfriend at the shooting range and then had her for dinner?! Oct 03 18:43:37 Good God Oct 03 18:48:54 lol Oct 03 18:48:56 ACK, late Oct 03 18:48:58 * rm_you runs Oct 03 19:00:09 hey, is there a java compiler for the n810 yet? Oct 03 19:00:58 There's jalimo: http://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page Oct 03 19:02:24 compiler or runtime? Oct 03 19:06:37 Both Oct 03 19:40:29 Hello, friends. Oct 03 19:41:12 I'm trying to port a C library to maemo, but I'm getting this error when I try to link a test app with this library: "invalid string offset 138597000 >= 3250 for Oct 03 19:41:13 section `.dynstr'" Oct 03 19:41:58 Does library compilation requires special flags/parameters? I only did "../configure; make; make install" in diablo ARMEL. Oct 03 19:59:48 Mek: ping Oct 03 19:59:57 evening Oct 03 19:59:59 jott: ping Oct 03 20:02:03 hrmph Oct 03 20:02:16 hello GNUton Oct 03 20:02:20 hello pupnik810 Oct 03 20:02:21 whats new? Oct 03 20:02:52 did you have fun at the summit? Oct 03 20:03:09 yeah indeed. next time you really have to come :) Oct 03 20:03:38 jott: Are there news about the CMake bug? Oct 03 20:04:45 will comply Oct 03 20:04:58 GNUton: hmm no i don't think so. we will have to contact the people again to get this moving. Oct 03 20:05:45 jott: are you using the latest version of scratchbox? (1.10.11) Oct 03 20:06:58 it is too cold to type tonight Oct 03 20:07:05 :/ Oct 03 20:07:14 pupnik810: are you outside? :O Oct 03 20:07:34 jes Oct 03 20:07:45 pupnik810: where are u? Oct 03 20:07:47 street Oct 03 20:07:58 GNUton: hmm no .10 currently Oct 03 20:08:09 ok Oct 03 20:08:23 yaay for the N810 wifi sensitivity Oct 03 20:08:31 * jott upgrades :) Oct 03 20:08:41 pupnik810: war-walking? :) Oct 03 20:08:42 jott: me too :) Oct 03 20:09:24 GNUton: any plans for the 4.5 transition? Oct 03 20:10:17 not exactly - have permission to use wlan Oct 03 20:10:44 any fcc leaks on n9x0? Oct 03 20:10:53 jott: I started to prepare the packages some days ago... but there are always something to fix.. Oct 03 20:11:08 and It doesn't finished to compile yet. Oct 03 20:11:45 GNUton: hehe. did you start to port some of the changes or just plain upstream version? Oct 03 20:11:46 I compile Qt only in the night.. because I've only a machine... Oct 03 20:12:02 brr.. gtg - have a nice night :) Oct 03 20:12:06 jott: something Oct 03 20:12:23 GNUton: you shoud try qtextended on a single machine... Oct 03 20:12:42 actually qt extended compiled quite fast here :) Oct 03 20:12:49 hey lpotter! :) Oct 03 20:13:01 well, qtextended does use qbuild! Oct 03 20:13:23 hey GNUton Oct 03 20:13:51 lpotter: ah right i need to file a bug, as calling qbuild directly does not respect "-j" parameter :/ Oct 03 20:14:02 GNUton: do you have trouble linking gmake in scratchbox? when compiling for x86 target? Oct 03 20:14:22 jott: it does, but it also has another parameter involved Oct 03 20:14:36 lpotter: ooh, which one? :) Oct 03 20:14:42 (make -j8 worked) Oct 03 20:14:43 jott: did you see I released the toolchain we use for n810? Oct 03 20:14:55 yer. not tested yet. it works fine with mine now ;) Oct 03 20:16:03 i need to try scratchbox2/SDK+ and start pushing that Oct 03 20:16:04 lpotter: no I don't have any trouble linking gmake.. Oct 03 20:16:07 btw lpotter, is there a list of special widgets introduced in qt extended (like the QSmoothList) Oct 03 20:16:31 (or better special widgets not in base qt) Oct 03 20:16:41 GNUton: odd. I had to edit mkpecs and use host-gcc and host-g++ as the native one failed linking qmake Oct 03 20:17:16 jott: in the docs. dont know if there is a list of whats new though Oct 03 20:17:40 I know of QCollective (telepathy) and QWhereabouts (gps) Oct 03 20:17:53 QtopiaWhereabouts I think Oct 03 20:18:01 and Qtoia COllective Oct 03 20:18:07 blah.. Oct 03 20:18:24 would really be interesting to see/use them on qt/x11 Oct 03 20:19:15 agreed Oct 03 20:20:02 Today I had a discussion with Luciano Wolf about the porting of QtExtended in maemo... Oct 03 20:20:22 GNUton: its already ported.. for years now. :) Oct 03 20:20:40 wll.. without x11 that is Oct 03 20:21:16 youcan compile qtextended for x11... you have to edit a file to get the configure argument. its unmaintained really Oct 03 20:21:34 that's great.. Oct 03 20:21:39 I keep pushing for qtextended/x11 Oct 03 20:22:09 but it needs a lot of work to make run good. its slow as its not optimized and qt/x11 is slow anyway Oct 03 20:23:18 lpotter: yeah it would be good to have some separation between low-level qt extended functions and the widgets and different iterview stuff. Oct 03 20:23:38 this way qt extended stuff could also run on qt/wince ;> Oct 03 20:24:00 bah! who uses wince? ;) Oct 03 20:24:04 but more importantly, it could be used on qt/x11 based embedded devices ;) Oct 03 20:24:05 :) Oct 03 20:24:13 lpotter: marketing folks :P Oct 03 20:24:27 true Oct 03 20:24:44 *g* Oct 03 20:25:25 * Jaffa watches _Recount_ - good so far ('bout the 2000 US election fsck up) Oct 03 20:25:50 wasn there one device which runs qtopia/x11? Oct 03 20:25:54 *ducks and hide* Oct 03 20:26:10 heh :) Oct 03 20:26:39 :D Oct 03 20:27:25 no. there is no device running qtopia.x11 Oct 03 20:27:50 hm only some apps Oct 03 20:27:50 what openmoko is doing is not qtopia/x11 Oct 03 20:27:55 ya Oct 03 20:28:27 but with zeckes git dir you theoretical could do it Oct 03 20:28:31 we actually 'ported' qtopai to x11 for a demo on 770 Oct 03 20:30:28 is maemo.org downloads dead? can't even create a new project =( Oct 03 20:30:46 moo jaffa, jott, gnuton, handful Oct 03 20:30:59 RST38h: hail! :) Oct 03 20:31:59 ~curse 770 that runs maemo.org Oct 03 20:32:00 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, 770 that runs maemo.org ! Oct 03 20:32:06 RST38h: woo! Oct 03 20:32:45 RST38h: Hola! Oct 03 20:33:38 Whoever wanted EMUTools on Maemo (qwerty?) the package is now available at http://fms.komkon.org/EMUL8/ . Coming to Extras shortly. Oct 03 20:34:11 lpotter: still it would be really nice to just do something like QT += extendedgui or so to make use of QSmoothList etc. :) Oct 03 20:34:51 agreed Oct 03 20:36:02 lpotter: go! whip you minions! :D Oct 03 20:36:15 your Oct 03 20:36:58 RST38h: so you are working on a snes emu now? ;) Oct 03 20:38:35 jott: shush. Oct 03 20:39:04 there is no need to come to such quick conclusions =) Oct 03 20:53:04 is there an ext2 kernel module for the latest 4.1.1 kernel? (rather, the oprofile-enabled kernel, I guess) Oct 03 20:55:05 oh, nvm, I just didn't have kernel-diablo-modules installed Oct 03 20:55:12 heh Oct 03 21:01:09 now to find mkfs.ext2 Oct 03 21:01:22 (and/or a mini-sd to sd adapter) Oct 03 21:03:03 It worked just fine for me running it on a PC over USB. Oct 03 21:03:20 oh, that's not a bad idea Oct 03 21:03:21 It's still just a block device. Oct 03 21:04:08 I just copied over mkfs.ext2 + libs from a debian armel setup I have for my beagleboard, so all's good Oct 03 21:24:05 hi Oct 03 21:26:15 Is there an application for maemo that lets you connect to a running Xserver (XDM, GDM, etc0 Oct 03 21:28:29 cyrus: export DISPLAY=hostname:serverid Oct 03 21:29:47 RST38h - ok....and what does that accomplish for me Oct 03 21:30:16 RTFM Oct 03 21:30:20 RST38h - I want to be able to login to another machine that is running GDM Oct 03 21:30:39 I was being a little sarcastic. Basically saying, what you wrote above doesn't do what I want Oct 03 21:30:59 so I set the DISPLAY to another machine running an Xserver, meaning I can launch applications on that desktop. Not what I want Oct 03 21:31:25 Well you have to tell the other machine running GDM to run it at your tablet's X11 Oct 03 21:31:42 in other words you have to use the above line on the other machine Oct 03 21:32:56 i am sure that is something that might work...but still not what I am looking for. Oct 03 21:35:42 Anybody knows how I can clean unused locales from OS2008? Oct 03 21:36:16 *g* Oct 03 21:36:55 you could try to port localepurge from debian Oct 03 21:37:25 can I just rm -rf though? Oct 03 21:37:56 sure Oct 03 21:39:55 KILL! KILL! DESTROY! Oct 03 21:41:56 Hungary and Italy just went into ashes Oct 03 21:42:17 Japan and Korea Oct 03 21:42:31 Ah, now it is turn for the little Baltic republics... Oct 03 21:43:08 Norway, a few weird countries I do not know, and Poland Oct 03 21:45:09 hey, keep your filthy hands off the Baltics Oct 03 21:45:36 they don't even have supported locales in the OS2008 image Oct 03 21:47:53 Our biggest client at the moment is in the Baltics. We love the Baltics :-) Oct 03 21:48:52 mgedmin: too late Oct 03 21:49:14 Apparently some apps do supply at least the lt translations Oct 03 21:50:26 xchat supplies a lot of translations Oct 03 21:50:29 in separate packages Oct 03 21:50:41 which kinda DOSes the app installer list Oct 03 21:52:24 Freed ~18MB Oct 03 21:59:15 mgedmin: it may be worth it to create a category for these, something like user/translations Oct 03 21:59:46 I'm thinking that the App Installer should know about plugins/extensions Oct 03 22:00:13 so if you have a package Foo (Canola, Gajim, XChat), it would show a list of extension packages for it in a subtree, collapsed by default Oct 03 22:00:32 is there a notion of extensions to a package in debian? Oct 03 22:00:43 maybe it's possible to hack this up by using package names (if you have foo and foo-x, foo-y, foo-z, then the latter ones are shown in a subtree) Oct 03 22:00:57 and if not, we may need a custom field in debian/control Oct 03 22:00:59 yea that is definitely possible albeit non standard Oct 03 22:01:03 X-Extends: mainpackage Oct 03 22:01:15 * RST38h would prefer package name extensions Oct 03 22:01:18 The Maemo Packaging Policy has information on what to do with translations. :) Oct 03 22:01:26 it is less of a hack than extra fields Oct 03 22:01:43 heh, my view is completely opposite Oct 03 22:01:52 I'd prefer the package-name-based solution, even if I think it is a hack Oct 03 22:02:12 the app installer is open source (yay), and it's been on my to-do list for quite a while to try and prototype this Oct 03 22:02:16 yes, but this is the same as I said Oct 03 22:02:17 mgedmin: agreed; or 'Section: user/foo/translations' - which is only shown if 'foo' is installed. Oct 03 22:02:46 i.e. no custom fields, use names only because this way it is compatible with traditional debian packaging Oct 03 22:02:52 That seems most consistent with what's already done Oct 03 22:03:42 somebody put Crawl into Extras. I wonder if it works well... Oct 03 22:10:59 hmm both BOSWars and FreeCiv crash Oct 03 22:16:55 * Jaffa wonders whether to go to bed or watch the Palin/Biden debate Oct 03 22:17:24 Go to bed. Oct 03 22:17:56 We're completely screwed either way, so it doesn't matter in the slightest. Oct 03 22:18:12 Not worth it, even for the humour value? Oct 03 22:18:18 Jaffa: there wasn't blood, ignore it Oct 03 22:18:46 * RST38h kinda expected Biden to maul the woman but the guy was very retrained Oct 03 22:18:54 did you know palin can only see russia from her house because she believes the earth is flat Oct 03 22:18:56 restrained Oct 03 22:19:10 *g* Oct 03 22:19:22 I don't get to cast a vote, but they did a good job of lowering expectations of her performance Oct 03 22:19:29 seems palin will be a new chuck norris Oct 03 22:20:10 for fun divide the arguments presented into ones used by primary school kids and ones by secondary school kids Oct 03 22:20:16 heh Oct 03 22:20:18 I wish the debates were deathmatches where we got to the kill the winner anyway. Oct 03 22:20:21 oh well, Obama it is then. Whoever wins, he has got his work cut out for him... Oct 03 22:21:00 Oh God. "Can I call you Joe?" Oct 03 22:21:11 and blowing a kiss at the audience. Oct 03 22:21:13 GAN: Actually, if Biden reduced the woman to a blubbering incoherent idiot, I would be satisfied. And he could. Oct 03 22:21:26 well, bbc does have a reporter named Johnny Diamond, which always reminds me of celebrity deathmatch Oct 03 22:21:34 mavhc *g* Oct 03 22:21:46 Jaffa: Aha, and Biden called her "governor" saying that he is doing it to avoid offendingall the other women Oct 03 22:22:48 sleep. Oct 03 22:25:27 RST38h: how boswars and freeciv are crashing? oom? Oct 03 22:25:38 * Jaffa 'd have another beer, but it's in the garage and it's cold outside Oct 03 22:27:08 She just winked. When talking about joining the team which is a gteam of mavericks. Sounds like the start of The IT Crowd Oct 03 22:34:49 * Jaffa beds. Or I might throw something at the TV Oct 03 22:35:59 ah, it's all a ploy to jump start consumer spending Oct 03 22:37:47 An N900 would do that Oct 03 22:37:57 and break less of the world Oct 03 22:38:18 oOh, it's all Nokia's fault Oct 03 22:38:25 I like that angle. ;) Oct 03 22:38:57 GAN800, are you actually on 800 now - do you have multiple browsers available over there Oct 03 22:39:07 hi btw Oct 03 22:39:25 I am actually on an N800. Oct 03 22:39:47 I'm only about 6' way from the desktop. Oct 03 22:41:35 lcuk, looks good. Oct 03 22:41:44 excellent :D Oct 03 22:42:02 * lcuk rubs his hands together gleefully Oct 03 22:46:19 GAN800, i can see that river being a fun little way to interact Oct 03 22:48:01 It's just gonna be filled with penises. Oct 03 22:52:06 ... Oct 03 22:52:08 PMSL GAN800 Oct 03 22:52:12 you are so right Oct 03 22:52:20 isnt everything user content based Oct 03 22:52:49 thankfully i havent ever felt the need personally Oct 03 22:53:04 mousey http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php Oct 03 22:53:39 cute Oct 03 22:54:38 lcuk: you need to add a "private sketch mode" for your private sketching needs :) Oct 03 22:54:51 jott, the normal sketching is private Oct 03 22:54:54 that has not changes Oct 03 22:54:56 changed Oct 03 22:55:08 but i can see it in your history :D Oct 03 22:55:12 however, there is a new option on a new button out of the way called live sketching Oct 03 22:55:17 the pron you draw :P Oct 03 22:55:50 no, the normal sketches do not get uploaded :) and its less porn and more diary entries Oct 03 22:56:01 gna. you missed my joke :( Oct 03 22:56:04 * lcuk uploads boobies though ;) Oct 03 22:56:15 yer jott mustv :P Oct 03 23:04:06 * mgedmin wants to sketch with the mouse in the web browser and have the sketch appear on lcuk's tablet Oct 03 23:08:22 mgedmin, heh Oct 03 23:08:30 thats for later :) Oct 03 23:34:14 hey, how do i get a diablo oprofile kernel with symbols for my n810? Oct 03 23:34:27 rebuild the whole thing? Oct 04 00:23:57 nite maemo Oct 04 00:40:15 ok...I have a squid proxy running on my desktop. I want my n810 to connect to it (via ssh) everytime it connects to a network. dbus scripts is working well for that, but won't close the ssh tunnel upon exit Oct 04 00:40:51 I'm trying start-stop-daemon, but that isn't even starting the process...and it's not throwing any errors, either. Oct 04 00:56:49 dick-richardson, is there some kind of timeout you can set so that the connection closes after the client disconnects? Oct 04 00:59:45 Gary, colchester lug? Oct 04 01:00:32 moontiger: good option, lemme check Oct 04 01:06:27 goodnight internets Oct 04 01:49:30 while i can use this cmd (mount -t cifs //192.168.0.111/"ABC' s Time Capsule"/ /home/abc/stuff -o pass=abc) to connect to my time capsule (apple) from my linux box (fedora), mounting fails on maemo (nokia n800/ diablo). Any advice ? Oct 04 01:50:40 i just i cant ping the capsule 's ip and it does even up on nmap on diablo (while i can do both on fedora) Oct 04 01:51:21 i just noticed* i cant even ping the capsule 's ip and it does not* even up on nmap on diablo (while i can successfully do both on fedora) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 04 02:59:57 2008