**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 04 02:59:57 2008 Oct 04 03:59:43 eh Oct 04 04:00:12 is maemo an alternative desktop suites and window managers? Oct 04 04:06:37 famicom, huh? Oct 04 04:06:53 It's a Linux distribution for Nokia internet tablets. Oct 04 04:07:05 ~maemo Oct 04 04:07:05 maemo is probably a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ Oct 04 04:07:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system) Oct 04 04:09:52 oh ok Oct 04 04:10:13 doesnt the maemo desktop use GTK Oct 04 04:10:26 plus various components from gnome Oct 04 04:10:46 Yes, it's GTK with Hildon. Oct 04 04:10:57 Yes, it uses lots of freedesktop.org components. Oct 04 04:11:54 what window manager does maemo use Oct 04 04:12:00 Matchbox Oct 04 04:12:07 The wiki article has a section on its components. Oct 04 04:14:18 ok Oct 04 04:14:19 so Oct 04 04:14:33 does maemo use matchbox-desktop or hildon-desktop Oct 04 04:15:12 Hildon is both the application framework/GTK extension and the desktop environment. Oct 04 04:15:24 Which is composed of hildon-desktop, hildon-application-manager, and hildon-control-panel. Oct 04 04:15:34 Yes, it uses hildon-desktop instead of matchbox-desktop. Oct 04 04:16:22 ah Oct 04 04:16:34 what about the login manager Oct 04 04:16:41 It's a single user system. Oct 04 04:18:12 what about sessions Oct 04 04:19:07 and is there any place where i can find a tarball of the default themes for hildon-desktop Oct 04 04:19:37 The bundled themes are non-free. Oct 04 04:20:05 http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/02/theme-maker.html Oct 04 04:20:09 Has a template, though. Oct 04 04:20:41 but if i had a device, i could extract it right Oct 04 04:20:48 Sure Oct 04 04:21:01 Hell, there are probably copies floating around. Oct 04 04:21:09 I know a few people have done 12pt/14pt mods. Oct 04 04:21:30 eyh Oct 04 04:21:59 right now i've got an eeepc, but due to the lack of screen real estate i've been dying to get something more suitable for low resolution screens Oct 04 04:22:22 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/h/hildon-theme-plankton/ Oct 04 04:22:28 ^ free theme used for the SDK. Oct 04 04:22:43 famicom, Ubuntu MID? Oct 04 04:22:54 no Oct 04 04:22:59 ubuntu MID is horrible Oct 04 04:23:06 Hehe Oct 04 04:23:08 So I hear. Oct 04 04:23:18 It'll get there eventually, though. ;) Oct 04 04:23:46 meh Oct 04 04:23:47 You can just grab the Hildon environment if you want to try it. Oct 04 04:23:53 im starting to distrust ubuntu Oct 04 04:24:09 It's really targeted at touchscreen devices, though. Oct 04 04:25:50 true Oct 04 04:26:15 What about Google's new stuff? Oct 04 04:26:18 gOS? Oct 04 04:26:22 It's targeted at netbooks. Oct 04 04:26:22 but, the problem with all those ubuntu "mobile" versions, is that canonical are more or less trying to keep "normal users" away from it Oct 04 04:26:31 and wanting to deal only with OEMS Oct 04 04:27:26 is gOS a google thing? Oct 04 04:28:04 famicom: they own the g* namespace, so yes Oct 04 04:28:21 http://www.thinkgos.com/ Oct 04 04:29:34 lxde seems pretty cool actually. I was this || close to having it on my 770 earlier, before discovering my sd card is bad Oct 04 04:30:22 edrex, is the lxde install safe to do now? Oct 04 04:30:57 moontiger: with deblet? I don't know, I can't proceed till I get a new sd card Oct 04 04:31:11 GeneralAntilles thanks Oct 04 04:31:14 i'll try it later Oct 04 04:31:23 right now, its time to play with maebo Oct 04 04:31:26 hmmmmmmmm i want to try it but im afraid of stuffing up my tablet Oct 04 04:31:48 maybe i can hack it to run on my windows mobile smartphone Oct 04 04:31:51 that would be cool Oct 04 04:33:09 moontiger: the only modification you need to make to your internal memory is to install bootmenu Oct 04 04:33:27 hmmmmmmmmmm im very tempted Oct 04 04:33:39 does it reflash the entire internal memory again? Oct 04 04:33:48 or is it non-destructive to already installed stuff Oct 04 04:33:51 ? Oct 04 04:33:58 Deblet installs to an SD partition. Oct 04 04:34:15 GeneralAntilles, but the bootmenu needs to be in internal mem no? Oct 04 04:34:17 moontiger: if you do try it, use the forum instructions (debootstrap --foreign on a ubuntu or debian desktop if you have one around) Oct 04 04:34:38 moontiger, the bootmenu is flashed to the initfs partition. Oct 04 04:34:59 of course, I have a bad sd card, so maybe the wiki instructions would work fine Oct 04 04:35:03 ok so basically non-destructive then yes? Oct 04 04:35:28 It doesn't touch the rootfs. Oct 04 04:35:34 moontiger: it leaves the current rootfs in place Oct 04 04:35:35 Other to install the bootmenu and Deblet installers. Oct 04 04:35:49 i really must read up on rootfs and initfs as i dont understand them at all :| Oct 04 04:38:23 The internal NAND is broken up into 6 parts. Oct 04 04:39:40 GeneralAntilles Oct 04 04:39:42 rootfs )where the OS is located), initfs (used as part of the boot process), kernel, NOLO (the 2-part Nokia bootloader), and the config partition (where some information is kept). Oct 04 04:39:44 i got it to run Oct 04 04:39:56 famicom, got what to run? Oct 04 04:40:10 hildon-desktop with plankton Oct 04 04:40:19 moontiger, bootup looks like: NOLO -> kernel -> initfs -> rootfs Oct 04 04:40:32 * moontiger takes notes... Oct 04 04:40:56 so the nolo is the proprietary stuff yes? Oct 04 04:41:09 it starts the kernel ... which does hardware and software init Oct 04 04:41:18 then the file systems are set up? Oct 04 04:41:40 Basically Oct 04 04:41:53 and is nolo equivalent to the bios startup? Oct 04 04:42:13 Approximately Oct 04 04:42:22 ok now it makes more sense Oct 04 04:42:24 thank you Oct 04 04:42:35 It's changing in Fremantle. Oct 04 04:42:36 the rootfs and initfs ... what are they exactly? Oct 04 04:42:45 rootfs is the OS-proper Oct 04 04:42:57 like an image of the os that will run? Oct 04 04:43:07 initfs is sort of a mini OS that's a stepping stone between the kernel and the rootfs. Oct 04 04:43:38 oh you mean rootfs is like the full system with all utility apps etc ready? Oct 04 04:43:44 GeneralAntilles: is part of the reason initfs so it can be reused by eg deblet? Oct 04 04:43:51 The rootfs is your OS. Oct 04 04:43:58 edrex, I don't really know the logic behind the current setup. Oct 04 04:44:23 ok thanks a lot for that GeneralAntilles ... i'll do some more reading about this stuff Oct 04 04:44:27 i need to know it Oct 04 04:44:28 It does seem to provide a nice way to share proprietary stuff like bme between OSes. Oct 04 04:44:43 btw why is it all changing in freemantle? Oct 04 04:44:58 I don't know the specifics Oct 04 04:45:05 But things should be getting faster and more straightforward Oct 04 04:45:09 They're switching to upstart Oct 04 04:45:12 arent they going to be releasing new hardware then too? Oct 04 04:45:19 oh from the sysv stuff Oct 04 04:48:19 if I have a jffs2 rootfs built by openembedded (ie, poky 3.1), should I just be able to write it to a partition on sd and boot into it with bootmenu without modification? Oct 04 04:49:36 Well, you'll need to have bootmenu setup to boot from that partition. Oct 04 04:50:03 hrw says that wireless can be made to work in poky. not sure how yet, but supposedly there is a recipe for it in openembedded somewhere Oct 04 04:50:46 GeneralAntilles: i'm going to give it a go (still have the 64M card :) Oct 04 04:54:09 i'm just wondering if anything in the image will need to be re-educated. it uses initfs iirc Oct 04 04:57:51 GeneralAntilles could you perhaps tell me what /usr/lib/sapwood/sapwood-server does exactly Oct 04 04:58:47 oh wait, thats just a generall gtk engine Oct 04 04:58:48 It's a pixbuf theme engine. Oct 04 04:58:48 my bad Oct 04 05:09:34 can bootmenu load a rootfs on a file on sd Oct 04 05:25:24 oh... is jffs2 module available in initfs? Oct 04 05:25:44 (trying to set up bootmenu entry for poky) Oct 04 05:26:23 oh, it's builtin i guess duh Oct 04 05:39:32 GeneralAntilles, does the rotation stuff work with the latest ssu changes? Oct 04 06:44:33 does anyone know if this: http://sse2.net/rotate/ works with the latest SSU ? Oct 04 06:44:44 Check your PMs. Oct 04 06:57:04 GeneralAntilles, that seems to work great and a very simple install :) Oct 04 06:58:58 Did the .install work in Application manager for you? Oct 04 06:59:24 no so i had to do a manual "apt-get install rotation-support-n810" Oct 04 06:59:31 as root of course Oct 04 06:59:45 then it was over in 10 seconds Oct 04 06:59:45 Too bad. Oct 04 06:59:56 Still need to talk to m-vo about why it refuses to work. Oct 04 07:00:05 ach it was painless enough Oct 04 07:00:26 makes the web soooooooooooo much easier to use Oct 04 07:01:15 im curious to see if this version freaks out my icd2 like the previous one did Oct 04 07:02:52 i'll report back how it works out ... thanks so much again ... im off to bed now ... nn :) Oct 04 08:02:28 good morning @all Oct 04 08:02:44 have realy big trouble with my n810 - need advice... Oct 04 08:03:39 the installation of xulrunner and wizard-mounter don't work... dpkg gives me "portmap seems to be installed but not configured" Oct 04 08:04:14 and i'm not able to deinstall the xulrunner, wizard-mounter and portmap... Oct 04 08:04:22 dpkg --configure -a Oct 04 08:06:16 xulrunner install: segmentation fault Oct 04 08:06:29 dpkg --remove xulrunner i guess Oct 04 08:06:31 wizard-mounter install : segmentation fault Oct 04 08:07:27 Wow, lots of packages to upgrade... last I looked it was about 5, but now it's up to 96. Oct 04 08:07:52 segmenation fault pre-removal script returned error exit status 139 Oct 04 08:08:50 even while forced... how to deinstall this package? Oct 04 08:09:01 red-pill doesn't help also Oct 04 08:11:14 no idea? Oct 04 08:12:07 fluentis: remove the script Oct 04 08:12:13 how? Oct 04 08:12:21 with "rm" command Oct 04 08:12:33 Go to /var/lib/dpkg/info and remove xulrunner.prerm Oct 04 08:12:34 where to find the script Oct 04 08:12:41 ok Oct 04 08:12:43 Then run 'dpkg --remove xulrunner' Oct 04 08:12:54 I had the same issue. Oct 04 08:13:14 The postinst and prerm scripts segfault, so dpkg never completes. Oct 04 08:15:02 japp :) Oct 04 08:15:09 ToyKeeper: thx a lot Oct 04 08:16:44 Morning, all Oct 04 08:24:55 hmmm... after removing the packaged i still have some problems to install wizard-mounter... Oct 04 08:26:04 Different issue. I haven't tried that package, so I'm not sure what's broken. Oct 04 08:26:13 invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S18portmap" Oct 04 08:26:35 sure... but it seems to be a problem with portmap anyway... Oct 04 08:27:35 fluentis: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21613 - read post 7 Oct 04 08:35:35 qwerty12: i've read it and changend the file... no changes during installation, still "not a symlink"... should i reboot? Oct 04 08:35:54 fluentis: worked for me, no reboot needed. Oct 04 08:36:28 maybe i've made something wrong... Oct 04 08:37:09 I'd copy the modified invoke-rc.d from my tablet but the battery is dead on it :? Oct 04 08:37:12 *:/ Oct 04 08:37:44 np qwerty12, thx Oct 04 08:38:17 what you can do meanwhile is to move /etc/rc2.d/S18portmap to ~ or something and try removing again Oct 04 08:39:00 BTW, what's a good maemo text editor? Or, how can I get the file selection dialog to show me all files instead of a filtered view? Oct 04 08:43:19 <|newbiefluentis|> got it :) Oct 04 08:49:24 thx qwerty12, was my mistake - q and 1 on the n810 keyboard ;) Oct 04 08:49:44 hehe, I had to do it with the on screen keyboard :P Oct 04 08:50:09 :) anyway - works for me like a charm... Oct 04 08:50:14 thx again Oct 04 08:50:53 np. I used to keep moving my files everytime I got that error until I found out that invoke-rc.d is a script and as you saw, I made a dodgy hack and reiv posted a proper one :) Oct 04 08:51:30 i think i'll backup alll these files... Oct 04 08:54:17 Hmm, is there a real version of 'ps' available for maemo? Busybox is kinda ... lacking. Oct 04 08:54:53 Yeah, I hacked away at the dpkg status file to let me install procps but there's an easier way with only ps, brb Oct 04 08:55:27 http://www.makikiweb.com/n800/downloads/procps_real-3.2.7.armel.deb Oct 04 09:00:31 Thanks. That's much nicer. Oct 04 09:04:04 I love the descriptions of some of the packages... mediaplayer-daemon is "Mediaplayer Daemon" Oct 04 09:45:40 hangovers and coding time, woop Oct 04 09:45:41 :P Oct 04 09:58:45 hmmm... after the last ssu there is a hint in nternettablettalk to not to forget about editing the /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh Oct 04 09:58:52 but... what is it good for? Oct 04 09:59:06 You only edit osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh if you boot off sd card Oct 04 09:59:22 i do it Oct 04 09:59:30 intern 2gb Oct 04 09:59:32 then go for it :) Oct 04 09:59:47 It stops maemo from umounting the rootfs if booted off sd Oct 04 10:00:06 oh Oct 04 10:01:34 aaaah... i remeber... it helps for the extern computer to see the tablet filesystem connected Oct 04 10:02:44 but it's just needet if i want to exchange the files between the intern card and computer by cable... never did, i use sd-card reader... so... no need, i suppose... Oct 04 10:05:04 Stskeeps, its always that time Oct 04 10:06:26 * lcuk hates designing user dialogs in code. Oct 04 10:06:46 i wish there was a way for me to draw them directly Oct 04 10:07:33 which toolkit? Oct 04 10:08:27 the one i wrote myself, but it could be anything Oct 04 10:08:52 well why not make a nice dialog builder to go along with it? ;) Oct 04 10:09:13 * Stskeeps is using today for shoehorning dm-loop into deblet-in-a-file Oct 04 10:09:30 yeah it would be nice, but ive had so much other stuff to code its been a bit tough to fine time :) Oct 04 10:09:41 ah i see Oct 04 10:10:04 anyway MangoFusion if i had done it sooner i would have to keep rewriting it - the interface has been evolving under my fingers Oct 04 10:10:54 no big upfront designs then? Oct 04 10:11:09 only the ones ive had in my head for years Oct 04 10:11:28 but those usually involve having infrastructure available Oct 04 10:11:29 haha, kind of what i end up doing Oct 04 10:12:56 not really, i have had to use none standard methods and build everything from scratch - i wouldv much prefered to do the same thing in an existing framework Oct 04 10:13:19 in any case, good luck with the rest of it :) Oct 04 10:13:26 liqbase in component pieces exists as vb code using native controls back here and its much simpler to do ;) Oct 04 10:13:36 yeah Oct 04 10:16:16 its looking quite neat in the last video Oct 04 10:17:39 wow, that's kinda frightening Oct 04 10:17:48 MangoFusion, yeah, we hope to have a deb out in the next couple of days :) certain things have come together nicely now. http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php Oct 04 10:17:50 my dm-loop linuxrc worked in first try Oct 04 10:17:52 that can't be good Oct 04 10:18:00 heh Stskeeps dont be so surprised Oct 04 10:18:17 what am i going to use the rest of the day on then? ;> Oct 04 10:18:32 chilaxing :) Oct 04 10:18:40 prepare for your next step Oct 04 10:18:57 Stskeeps, reversing cal :P Oct 04 10:19:07 mornin qwerty12 Oct 04 10:19:13 qwerty12: i'm waiting for austin che to reverse engineer BME atm Oct 04 10:19:14 hey lcuk Oct 04 10:19:21 Stskeeps, ah :) Oct 04 10:19:59 qwerty12, look at that link i posted Oct 04 10:20:24 qwerty12: i honestly don't think CAL is that difficult.. also, it seems there's a DSME call for set/get cal stuff Oct 04 10:20:27 cal.h is just a wrapper for dsme Oct 04 10:20:35 as far as i can tell Oct 04 10:20:53 lcuk, nice! I wish I had a tablet to try your latest beta with :) (I need a new charger :)) Oct 04 10:21:02 oh no Oct 04 10:21:08 qwerty12: at least cal-tool or wtf communicates with /tmp/dsmesock Oct 04 10:21:36 i can send you my emergency AA charger and all its connectors - maybe you could mcguyver something - or just hit your 'rants up for one Oct 04 10:21:59 Stskeeps, yeah. for me, leaked mce code was an inspiration. but I don't think nokia opensourcing dsme will mean anything regarding cal :( Oct 04 10:22:24 lcuk, hehe, I'll just buy a new one on Monday :). I'm not getting one from the internet again after last time... Oct 04 10:22:49 good, as long as you can solve it Oct 04 10:23:17 qwerty12: libcalmodule.so is really the kicker Oct 04 10:23:21 dsme as itself is .. boring Oct 04 10:23:30 it doesn't contain functionality beyond being a framework Oct 04 10:24:01 Assuming it ever actually gets released. . . . Oct 04 10:24:18 and that it hasn't been _completely_ stripped down and moved to mce. . . . Oct 04 10:24:23 If I had a serial cable that worked with the port at the back, I'd be tempted to write to CAL directly using mtd-tools Oct 04 10:24:42 GeneralAntilles: dsme is needed much earlier than mce runs, so Oct 04 10:25:31 Stskeeps, they may just move mce to initfs or split it and make one part run from initfs. for example, dsmetool exists in both rootfs and initfs Oct 04 10:25:34 mm Oct 04 10:26:12 The biggest thing that is stopping me is that I don't know if CAL has a checksum of any kind Oct 04 10:27:07 i am inclined to think we don't need to care Oct 04 10:27:14 the DSME calls will do it for you Oct 04 10:40:50 qwerty12: sbin/dsme: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped Oct 04 10:40:55 not stripped.. Oct 04 10:41:14 hmm Oct 04 10:41:49 * qwerty12 still would find it easier to hax https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm Oct 04 10:42:17 cal_ is in dsme binary Oct 04 10:43:48 * Stskeeps wonders what he can do with those debug symbols Oct 04 11:07:16 if anyone's into reverse engineering and ARM code, objdump -l -d /mnt/initfs/sbin/dsme is very interesting Oct 04 11:07:24 .. just putting it out there Oct 04 11:20:43 oh thank god for people who forgot to strip their binaries Oct 04 11:41:48 lardman|away, check your mails if you can :) Oct 04 11:44:22 Hi there Oct 04 11:46:14 hi GNUton Oct 04 11:46:30 busy hacking? Oct 04 11:48:35 lcuk: Hey lcuk :) no I' m tring to package Qt 4.5 (snapshot) and Marble.. Oct 04 11:48:47 youch, Oct 04 11:48:49 I want to test them on the device... Oct 04 11:48:55 but i bet your packaging still isnt as painful as mine Oct 04 11:49:05 * lcuk tests exclusively on device Oct 04 11:49:16 lcuk: O_o do you have packaged your pet? Oct 04 11:49:28 That's a great news! :) Oct 04 11:49:48 :) 1st real alpha release is hours/days away Oct 04 11:50:07 http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php Oct 04 11:50:20 this might be in place to add to the ideas fountain :) Oct 04 11:51:01 * GeneralAntilles still maintains that it will be filled with evil things. Oct 04 11:51:07 lcuk: cool your page doesn't work with Konqueror :) Oct 04 11:51:14 Needs SVG Oct 04 11:51:26 GNUton, i am sorry, i am not a web designer or svg person Oct 04 11:51:36 Yes.. but I guess Konqueror supports SVG Oct 04 11:51:44 its raw and messy and unprocessed and wrong but its POC Oct 04 11:52:02 its the idea and principle which counts to me at the moment :) Oct 04 11:52:14 i am very interested in seeing what works and what doesnt Oct 04 11:52:15 hey folks. Oct 04 11:52:20 morning jott Oct 04 11:52:33 Hi jott Oct 04 11:52:50 lcuk, you'd get a lot better compatibility if you just converted them to pngs. Oct 04 11:52:50 luck: ok It works fine with arora! :) Oct 04 11:52:57 jott, I've got plans. . . . :P Oct 04 11:53:05 <<<<<<<< FAIL Oct 04 11:53:14 i could not get png writing working \@/ ive tried about 10 times Oct 04 11:53:33 i keep bloody trying and it keeps knocking me flat on my back Oct 04 11:53:34 *ahem* Oct 04 11:53:37 Haa Oct 04 11:53:41 Poor lcuk. Oct 04 11:53:50 use libpng :) Oct 04 11:53:59 jott, thats the problem, i am trying to Oct 04 11:54:28 ah. implement lzw then :P Oct 04 11:54:42 liquid zip on windows? Oct 04 11:54:56 or is it just zip? Oct 04 11:54:57 hehe Oct 04 11:55:06 yeah Oct 04 11:55:11 i really dont know why i cant get it working Oct 04 11:55:14 what's the problem with libpng? Oct 04 11:55:22 liquid zip? Is that lcuk's tear-free zipper animation? Oct 04 11:55:24 theres a load of things where i keep goin "if i can get a picture i can do xyz" Oct 04 11:55:45 and i realise its not done, so i go and try again Oct 04 11:56:00 ive seriously considered just writing out uncompressed planes Oct 04 11:56:19 * lcuk just cant do it :S Oct 04 11:56:23 lcuk: does it just not write anything? or write garbage? or what? Oct 04 11:57:26 no, the last time i built enough of it to set everything - i got down to the final section expecting to be able to do YUV->RGB on a single line and save it Oct 04 11:57:58 but then realized that i have to preinitialize a whole RGB plane beforehand and pass pointers to all rows Oct 04 11:58:25 by this time it was late and i had work so i chopped the code out, rebuilt and went to bed Oct 04 11:59:02 it frustrates me :) Oct 04 12:02:03 it's really not that hard. caffeine would have been another solution :) Oct 04 12:04:00 yer jott :)time is the biggest one Oct 04 12:04:29 anyone know where lardman is this weekend Oct 04 12:05:42 maybe YAW (yet another wedding ;)? Oct 04 12:05:59 heh Oct 04 12:09:06 browsing the backlog, any news on the dsme source release? i would say the promised 1-2 weeks are nearly over ;) Oct 04 12:14:29 jott, nope, but feel free to triage this to pass the time waiting. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3768 Oct 04 12:20:58 jott, can you think about how we'd could make Modest user-removable without disrupting all the OS hooks for email too drastically? Oct 04 12:21:35 i would *hope* it is all handled by mime types and .desktop files etc... Oct 04 12:22:47 Yeah, I don't think it'll be overwhelmingly involved. Oct 04 12:23:17 Anybody have a good mime type handler control panel sort of thing we could bundle? Oct 04 12:24:44 Hello, trickie. Oct 04 12:25:30 GeneralAntilles: hey Oct 04 12:27:29 GNUton: pong Oct 04 12:30:00 Mek pinK Oct 04 12:32:08 GNUton: yeah, what's up? :) Oct 04 12:32:29 what was that package search url again? Oct 04 12:32:32 fms something? Oct 04 12:33:25 Stskeeps: google packrat maemo :) Oct 04 12:33:31 ta Oct 04 12:40:47 Mek: I wanted to know something about CMake and qemu cvs.. but it'snt fixed yet. :/ Oct 04 12:41:18 Mek: At moment I think that a fast solution is to force the compilation with the Qt maemo0 packages.. Oct 04 12:41:50 this is a workaround Oct 04 12:42:12 but we need to report the bug to the scratchbox devs Oct 04 12:42:50 yeah, completely agree Oct 04 12:47:58 Mek: by the way.. how is going your plasma port? I want to port Marble with GPS and Open streetmap support. Oct 04 12:49:34 I haven't really had time yet to do anything but compiling/packaging kde stuff; no maemo specific changes yet. but marble runs quite well, although I haven't tried gps support yet (http://kde.garage.maemo.org/screenshots_kdeedu.html#marble) Oct 04 12:49:58 s/runs quite well/crashes unless you remove some data files/ :) Oct 04 12:50:21 but that crash might just be some unlucky revision I picked Oct 04 12:53:58 ah, no... the crash is because it tries to read qreal's from a binary file... that should probably be doubles :) Oct 04 14:19:55 hola Oct 04 14:20:06 qué tal? Oct 04 14:32:14 inz, aquí, levantando de cama xD Oct 04 14:32:16 y tu ? Oct 04 14:41:53 lopz, this ain't #maemo-es, so english please ;) Oct 04 14:43:33 lopz, sorry, don't actually speak spanish ;) Oct 04 14:43:49 lopz, but I'm fine ;) Oct 04 14:51:15 crashanddie, ok, you speak spanish ? Oct 04 14:51:35 inz, cool Oct 04 14:52:02 lopz, hardly, other than ordering a beer and asking for directions Oct 04 14:52:45 Por donde se va a La Jonquera? Oct 04 14:55:36 * lcuk gestures for beer n has gps and a map for directions Oct 04 14:57:36 lcuk, hagame de hablar mas despacio Oct 04 14:57:49 ein beer bitter Oct 04 14:58:11 though this time i was a little better Oct 04 14:58:35 lcuk: no alcool! :P Oct 04 14:59:05 heh Oct 04 15:00:31 there are some stupid teenager under my windows... they are drinking.. singing... I'll kill them in a couple of seconds if they don't go away!! Oct 04 15:00:51 W plurals! :P Oct 04 15:01:48 At the end they will leave their garbage on the ground... :( Oct 04 15:01:52 Windows always attract shit you don't want Oct 04 15:02:34 crashanddie: what's the spanish name.. "Buttiglion"? Oct 04 15:02:48 eh? Oct 04 15:03:41 crashanddie: usually in Spain the guys walk and drink... The bring with them a lot of beer and wine.. Oct 04 15:04:06 GNUton, I'm not the spanish guy Oct 04 15:04:14 crashanddie: ah ok! : Oct 04 15:04:15 :P Oct 04 15:04:51 GNUton, you probably mean Botellons anyway Oct 04 15:05:12 botellones** Oct 04 15:18:26 PING 1223133420 Oct 04 15:18:44 crashanddie: yes! :) that's right Oct 04 15:18:51 netsplit!! Oct 04 15:21:07 GNUton, I loved a few miles from Spain for a few odd years, so yeah, I know a few things about Spain, but if you want real info, ask lopz Oct 04 15:21:20 hey qgil, how's it going? Oct 04 15:21:35 eh ? Oct 04 15:21:37 xD Oct 04 15:22:13 lopz == lopez?? Oct 04 15:22:22 not Oct 04 15:22:31 a ok :) Oct 04 15:22:33 yes yes Oct 04 15:22:39 López Oct 04 15:22:47 mi name.. Jorge López Oct 04 15:22:48 Jorge ;) Oct 04 15:22:50 my* Oct 04 15:22:56 El nombre del gatto... (Ska P) Oct 04 15:23:02 :\ Oct 04 15:23:05 gatto ? Oct 04 15:23:06 Jorge J Lopez C? Oct 04 15:23:10 yep Oct 04 15:23:18 what do J & C stand for? Oct 04 15:23:23 Jorge Jaime López Cerón :D Oct 04 15:23:27 nice Oct 04 15:23:30 gatto is cat in italian.. I don't remember the tranlation of cat in spanish Oct 04 15:23:31 haha Oct 04 15:23:34 and you crashanddie ' Oct 04 15:23:47 lopz, Sebastiaan Roger André Nicholias Alexander Lauwers Oct 04 15:23:50 GNUton, cat == gato, not gatto Oct 04 15:24:07 ah ok! :) In italian cat == gatto :) Oct 04 15:24:08 wow.. large Oct 04 15:24:09 crash in short Oct 04 15:24:13 you name is large Oct 04 15:24:27 yeah it is... Posh family Oct 04 15:24:59 which is nice, because I have a different name for every (working) day in the week :) Oct 04 15:25:17 lopz, where you from in Spain? Oct 04 15:25:55 crashanddie, not, my country is Bolivia, city Santa Cruz de la Sierra Oct 04 15:26:13 oh, ok Oct 04 15:26:21 and you ? Oct 04 15:26:34 I used to live in Catalunya, southern France Oct 04 15:26:49 crashanddie: well, I was hoping to find timsamoff here... Oct 04 15:27:22 qgil, hmm, haven't seen him in here lately, I think he's reserving his typing for emails Oct 04 15:27:28 crashanddie: you in "Catalunya, southern France"? that's a surprise Oct 04 15:27:42 qgil, I moved to London 2 months ago Oct 04 15:28:03 and why is it surprising for me to be in catalunya? Oct 04 15:28:04 where exactly were you before? Oct 04 15:28:11 Saleilles, right next to Perpignan Oct 04 15:29:10 ah, Salelles ;) Oct 04 15:29:49 qgil, no shit, you know the area? Oct 04 15:30:08 I was living in Girona 7 years, so... Oct 04 15:30:13 wow Oct 04 15:30:15 nice Oct 04 15:30:22 lived in Saleilles for 8 years :) Oct 04 15:30:42 I went to Perpinyà to buy cheaper comic books from Moebius and etc Oct 04 15:30:50 moo all Oct 04 15:30:51 yeah yeah Oct 04 15:30:52 many teams Oct 04 15:30:55 many times Oct 04 15:31:04 qgil, I played with the Dragons ;) Oct 04 15:31:07 hey RST38h, thanks for uploading Emutools Oct 04 15:31:24 Motorola To Hire 300 Android Developers Oct 04 15:31:25 also rugby? Oct 04 15:31:31 qwerty: You are welcome. Do they work? Oct 04 15:31:47 RST38h, No idea, no working tablet atm :) Oct 04 15:31:47 * RST38h wonders if Android can really save Motorola Oct 04 15:31:54 oh Oct 04 15:32:00 qwerty: I have got a wquestion Oct 04 15:32:08 I played 3 games or so with the GEiEG rugby, but someone found my Achilles and that was it Oct 04 15:32:18 qgil, ouch Oct 04 15:32:29 Yesterday installation of BOS Wars and FreeCiv made me enable paging to internal flash card in N810 Oct 04 15:32:40 crashanddie: how you got to the Dragons? Oct 04 15:32:46 I am a little bit fidgety about what this will do the card wearout Oct 04 15:32:50 qgil, nha, I was a junior, until a bad melee ripped my knee Oct 04 15:33:04 qgil, I haven't been able to coerce Tim to idle here as much as I'd like yet. ;) Oct 04 15:33:07 What is the current popular opinion on this? Should I disable it? Oct 04 15:33:07 qgil, started out in Canet, played for 2 years, a scout noticed me Oct 04 15:33:24 RST38h, hiring in London? :-° Oct 04 15:33:26 RST38h, No idea sorry, I'm not really sure about wearing issues. You can move the swap file to external card if you wish though Oct 04 15:33:32 RST38h, don't worry about it. Oct 04 15:33:33 crashanddie: so you are born in el Rosselló? Oct 04 15:33:35 crash: More like Bombay I think :) Oct 04 15:33:45 qwerty: How? Oct 04 15:33:48 GAN: sure? Oct 04 15:33:52 qgil, not at all, I'm from Belgium originally Oct 04 15:34:08 crash: Ask yourself if you really wanna be a Java developer =) Oct 04 15:34:14 crashanddie: I se, that is a nice corner of the world Oct 04 15:34:28 RST38h, at this point, I'd develop anything to get a job Oct 04 15:34:34 Swappiness is about as low as possible and flash cards are about as durable as can be these days. Oct 04 15:34:52 RST38h, tuesday I have an interview for a job that will consist of... Converting Windows desktops apps to Linux/Mac Oct 04 15:34:59 RST38h, that should tell you how desperate I am Oct 04 15:35:15 RST38h, You may just be able to move the .swap file from mmc2 to mmc1. Based on my (limited) reading of ke-recv sources, ke-recv should automatically enable on either card the .swap file is present on. If that doesn't work, write a quick script in init.d to swapon /media/mmc1/.swap Oct 04 15:35:30 * lcuk would gladly give you a job if he was in a position to :) Oct 04 15:35:43 I cook very wel Oct 04 15:35:45 well** Oct 04 15:35:52 do you clean as well? :P Oct 04 15:36:10 I can order takeaway, does that count as cooking? Oct 04 15:36:16 qgil, yeah, I'm happy I lived in Catalunya for a while, it has certainly built my character, though, I'm quite happy to be out of France, finally Oct 04 15:36:51 crashanddie: is there any URL to see what you do? Oct 04 15:36:56 lcuk, I'll do your dishes for a fiver :P Oct 04 15:37:03 what I do? Oct 04 15:37:23 crashanddie: information useful for someone to hire you Oct 04 15:37:36 qgil, http://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianlauwers Oct 04 15:38:35 crashanddie: have you checked the open positions in Maemo? Oct 04 15:39:04 not lately, aren't most of them based in northern europe? Oct 04 15:39:48 mmm yes, some of them might go to California - but if I were you I would try anyway Oct 04 15:40:06 if you're good and you like Maemo and you are looking for a job is not bad that the Maemo team knows about you Oct 04 15:40:38 qgil, something to make you smile and ponder: http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php Oct 04 15:40:44 and you just said you were "desperately" looking for a job... Oct 04 15:40:51 qgil, I have already applied to a few positions (via Nokia's Taleo), never had an answer. I think my lack of experience is the thing that scares a lot of HR Oct 04 15:41:31 could be, dunno Oct 04 15:42:08 lcuk: browsers supported? Oct 04 15:42:31 god knows - its extremely tempremental home written svg Oct 04 15:42:41 just to see if the idea will work Oct 04 15:42:42 ah, svg plugin needed? Oct 04 15:43:08 qwerty: thanks, will try Oct 04 15:43:10 if thats what you need to view svg yeah - someone could take the svg on the webserver and convert to png Oct 04 15:43:11 GAN: Understoof Oct 04 15:43:36 crash: Don't get too desperate, you will find a job sooner or later Oct 04 15:43:41 lcuk: I see several static images and no apparent links, is there any kind of move or interactions? Oct 04 15:43:57 no qgil :) its my first ever cave painting Oct 04 15:44:16 on the device the sketches are uploadable - of course 2 way interaction will be prefered Oct 04 15:44:34 ah, I see Oct 04 15:45:34 * lcuk gets back on with finalizing things Oct 04 15:45:41 catch you later qgil, crashanddie Oct 04 15:45:53 lcuk, take care guv Oct 04 15:45:57 moo lcuk Oct 04 15:55:37 alright, see you! crashanddie: best luck Oct 04 16:11:35 * Stskeeps strikes dm-loop off his todo list, all done Oct 04 16:16:30 * Stskeeps wonders if there's a curse over people getting debian on 770 Oct 04 16:16:39 electrocuting 770, corrupted SD.. Oct 04 18:15:05 I have a bluetooth keyboard Oct 04 18:15:10 I enable it and use it, and all is well Oct 04 18:15:22 However, sometimes I wish to use my virtual keyboard without opening my bluetooth keyboard Oct 04 18:15:37 What's the easiest way to tell it to use virtual keyboard without unpairing bluetooth? Oct 04 18:21:10 *knock knock* Oct 04 18:21:16 Anybody here? Oct 04 18:21:41 i'm around but don't have a bluetooth kbd Oct 04 18:21:41 :P Oct 04 18:21:47 yes? Oct 04 18:25:11 Darn Oct 04 18:25:19 I can't figure it out Oct 04 18:25:33 I just can't enable my virtual keyboard without reconnecting my bluetooth kbd Oct 04 18:25:37 And then disconnecting it again Oct 04 18:25:43 That usually fixes it Oct 04 19:36:02 I've set a usb network connection from my n800 from console. How can I tell the applications that I'm online? Oct 04 19:36:18 A "Dummy" IAP Oct 04 19:37:28 Komzpa: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Tablet_USB_network_configuration Oct 04 19:39:45 Jaffa: thanks Oct 04 19:42:44 re Oct 04 19:43:12 that's a useful url Jaffa. cool! Oct 04 19:43:17 Komzpa but be aware there are chipsets where usbnet doesnot work Oct 04 19:43:22 I have one at work Oct 04 19:46:45 woglinde: I've got a working connection, even ssh'ed to the tablet, but browser and friends stil think i'm offline and offer me to connect through gprs. Oct 04 19:47:30 is there a list of live video streams that work with Video Center? Oct 04 19:49:43 Mardi I cast you out ! Oct 04 19:50:02 mardi__, Leave now, for my wrath will quickly kindle Oct 04 19:50:24 As I have no other which, but to see your life time out, second by second Oct 04 19:50:28 wish? Oct 04 19:50:32 anyway Oct 04 19:51:55 BEGONE ! Oct 04 19:53:05 Komzpa yes the icd does not know about usbnet Oct 04 19:57:49 http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/wiki <- did a new wiki, any comments? Oct 04 20:00:45 Stskeeps: anyone played with maximus and the panel window title/switcher from Ubuntu Netbook Remix? Oct 04 20:00:58 Jaffa: hmm, no, but that sounds interesting, got an url? Oct 04 20:01:12 Let me look Oct 04 20:01:41 video is okay too :P Oct 04 20:01:47 or scrshot Oct 04 20:02:08 Stskeeps: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/ubuntu_netbook_remix_detailed_explanation shows details & screenshot of maximus & window-picker-applet Oct 04 20:02:22 http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2888/two.jpg - specifically Oct 04 20:02:40 department of redundancy department url Oct 04 20:03:05 Jaffa: that's a interesting way to do task switching, yeah Oct 04 20:03:17 https://edge.launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/+archive has source debs Oct 04 20:04:00 Also works as a nice simple UI on Jaffa Jr's 1024x768 ThinkPad :) Oct 04 20:05:36 added to todo to look at Oct 04 20:39:20 RST38h: you wanted something? Oct 04 20:43:14 AStorm: Possibly. But I no longer remember what =( Oct 04 20:43:38 got some ctcp ping from you Oct 04 20:44:15 ah, that one...there was a split so I was checking who was still alive Oct 04 20:44:31 mhm Oct 04 20:54:18 http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/10/L1010485.JPG Oct 04 20:54:37 So they finally installed the full OSX on an iPhone! Oct 04 20:54:46 [ok, very large iphone] Oct 04 21:10:46 does anybody know about the claws mail update being broken? Oct 04 21:11:18 ok ... that they just fixed Oct 04 21:11:20 ignore me Oct 04 21:11:21 \:) Oct 04 21:12:44 done Oct 04 21:12:44 :P Oct 04 21:12:46 ;> Oct 04 21:13:06 * moontiger laughs Oct 04 21:13:32 anyone know of a battery meter, tray applet, that uses HAL? Oct 04 21:13:40 and doesn't require a shitload of dependancies Oct 04 21:13:55 it will require libhal tho yes? Oct 04 21:14:13 that's fine really :P Oct 04 21:15:41 am i missing something but isnt that really simple to code? Oct 04 21:15:56 that's probably simple to code, yes, but not something i want to spend time on :P Oct 04 21:16:05 there exists one for xfce4 but it's a mess Oct 04 21:16:05 is it for deblet? Oct 04 21:16:09 yeah Oct 04 21:16:19 which is debian lenny yes? Oct 04 21:16:20 so should use freedesktop applet protocol or wtf exists :P Oct 04 21:16:21 yes Oct 04 21:16:43 ok well i'll have a look at writing one if you can wait a few days until later in the week Oct 04 21:16:51 maybe its way to hard Oct 04 21:16:54 but i can have a look Oct 04 21:17:27 in C yes? so its small Oct 04 21:17:55 my gf is away all next week so i'll have some time in the evenings Oct 04 21:18:16 to play with your small thing? Oct 04 21:18:25 moontiger: http://rafb.net/p/bAFQzX58.html Oct 04 21:18:31 so it's pretty direct once you have hal stuff Oct 04 21:19:38 Stskeeps, i'll look at it this week ... sounds like fun :) Oct 04 21:19:48 lcuk, i dont have a "thing" ;) Oct 04 21:19:51 have fun - a battery applet is really needed so :P Oct 04 21:20:12 and maemo has the hal stuff in it yes? Oct 04 21:20:20 yes, same backend we use Oct 04 21:20:24 ok cool Oct 04 21:20:26 :) Oct 04 21:21:47 just keep in mind not just to do while(1) { update_battery_display(); } :P Oct 04 21:22:07 ummmmm yah or it wont be needed much as battery == dead real soon Oct 04 21:22:41 you see the battery applet literally drain the battery ;) Oct 04 21:23:47 i'll do some research and then have a go at coding it :) Oct 04 21:24:37 sounds good.. i'm getting slightly angry that having a dependancy on gnome, for some silly applets.. drags in evolution-data-server-common Oct 04 21:24:40 :P Oct 04 21:24:44 .. Oct 04 21:24:48 and -server, seemingily. Oct 04 21:25:17 i saw that in some stuff too ... the pimlico calendar stuff Oct 04 21:25:34 that makes somewhat more sense, but yeah Oct 04 21:25:35 :P Oct 04 21:25:45 still annoying imo Oct 04 21:29:55 hello qole Oct 04 21:30:07 he jott Oct 04 21:30:17 ...and woglinde :) Oct 04 21:30:21 hey Oct 04 21:30:57 moontiger: http://gnomefiles.org/app.php/Battery_Applet_4_xfce4_panel has decent source code, but making a deb package for it was a bitch for me last :P Oct 04 21:31:18 and it "only" requires gtk, libxfce* and dbus-dev, hal-dev :P Oct 04 21:31:21 'lo qole Oct 04 21:31:47 you guys use lxde yes? Oct 04 21:31:56 and that is pure freedesktop stuff no? Oct 04 21:32:10 think it supports it decently, yeah Oct 04 21:32:23 but we should have an applet that would work in most systray stuff so Oct 04 21:32:23 I'm surrounded by Germans here, don't understand them, so I'm hacking around on matchbox-keyboard. Oct 04 21:32:37 qole haha Oct 04 21:32:45 here you are sourrounded too Oct 04 21:33:33 wir könnten jetzt alle plötzlich deutsch reden :P Oct 04 21:33:37 but you are writing in English! Oct 04 21:33:49 jott okay machen wird *g* Oct 04 21:33:50 qole: ta for the heads up on dm-loop, even though the boot script for it will haunt my conscience for the rest of my life Oct 04 21:33:53 :P Oct 04 21:33:58 hm, I spoke too soon. Oct 04 21:34:04 Stskeeps, i'll do my best this week :) Oct 04 21:34:08 qole: you just asked for it :> Oct 04 21:35:05 qole: where are you actually to be surrounded by germans? Oct 04 21:35:09 dm-loop makes image files viable again. Oct 04 21:36:02 qole: there's also interesting possibilities for copy-on-write stuff Oct 04 21:36:20 In Canada! They're all here for my wife's father's 'round' birthday. Oct 04 21:37:18 I have IRC to thank for Matan's work on dm-loop Oct 04 21:43:22 qole so eat some "bratwurst mit sauerkraut" Oct 04 21:44:44 we had leberkase for lunch Oct 04 21:48:37 qole yummie Oct 04 21:49:54 ok guys ... see you later ... off to haqve some fun irl ;) Oct 04 22:10:54 anyone know why when using transmission it says permission denied when i try to download torrents? Oct 04 22:11:04 it downloads for a sec then says permission denied Oct 04 22:11:07 which i find odd Oct 04 22:12:35 nite all Oct 04 22:13:05 night Oct 04 22:22:55 lcuk2! Oct 04 22:23:11 hey man is there a way i could help out testing the new liqbase? Oct 04 22:24:20 :'( Oct 04 22:24:34 #liqbase and grab him when he's around ;) Oct 04 22:25:11 thats Stskeeps Oct 04 22:25:12 :) Oct 04 22:25:14 thanks* Oct 04 23:12:17 ping Oct 04 23:12:25 double ping Oct 04 23:12:25 Device storage memory full. Delete some data to free memory. Oct 04 23:12:35 anyone ever see that? Oct 04 23:12:54 i got it trying to open "date and time" Oct 04 23:13:50 nicer. Sounds just won't open. Oct 04 23:17:57 Not personally Oct 04 23:18:04 I've seen people complain about it, though. Oct 04 23:18:06 Don't know a fix. Oct 04 23:19:03 so um, where's the wiki Oct 04 23:19:25 lcuk! :D Oct 04 23:19:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/ Oct 04 23:19:48 oh right, you just need to click refresh 10 times to get a page that isn't blank :) Oct 04 23:19:54 gan: fix is to have more than 3mb free on / Oct 04 23:21:39 ShadowJK, more like once or twice if the Apache thread segfaults. Oct 04 23:21:44 Your browser was probably caching. Oct 04 23:21:52 I did do shift-reload Oct 04 23:22:09 is it segfaulting often.. Oct 04 23:22:43 Occasionally Oct 04 23:22:50 Waiting on the server changeover for a fix. Oct 04 23:25:24 lcuk! Oct 04 23:25:39 Jaredu!? Oct 04 23:26:29 hihi Oct 04 23:26:38 any clue if i could help out in testing the liqbase beta? :D Oct 04 23:26:43 it'd be great if possible hehheh Oct 04 23:26:51 dunno if you're offering the download or anything Oct 04 23:26:54 but it'd be great Oct 04 23:27:00 it shows great promise :) Oct 04 23:27:54 yer, theres a chan where i seem to be asking random questions in at the moment about it all :) if you go there you will get first dibs on the package - even before it hits extras-dev Oct 04 23:28:04 Jaredu, indeed it does Oct 04 23:28:07 #liqbase Oct 04 23:28:07 aww fsck Oct 04 23:28:53 what you broke now timeless Oct 04 23:35:12 this is so much fun Oct 04 23:35:29 images kinda crashed Oct 04 23:36:15 Hit it with a stick until it complies with your will. Oct 04 23:48:34 nice, media player doesn't work Oct 04 23:49:23 timless, that's new? :P Oct 04 23:51:08 my definition is simpler than yours ;) Oct 04 23:52:41 arg, my touch screen failed. Oct 04 23:52:52 how can i file my bug!? Oct 04 23:52:55 N810? Oct 04 23:53:43 one of my two n800s. I could use the other or the n810... Oct 04 23:54:12 * timeless rummages for the older n800 Oct 04 23:54:37 oh, i brought my 770 too Oct 04 23:57:12 i'm only on 5 or so, probably osol discuss or xen Oct 05 00:48:10 if i have an app installed and i reclick on the deb, what happens - does it upgrade it if the deb was rebuilt Oct 05 00:49:03 Make sure you're incrementing your version numbers. Oct 05 00:49:30 gulp, internal app versions or from withi nthe debian folder Oct 05 00:49:45 * lcuk2 normally sets such things to autoincrement in windows world Oct 05 00:50:08 package version. Oct 05 00:50:54 so i cant stay on 0.0.1 for a while Oct 05 00:51:06 0.0.1.astronomicalbuildnumber ;) Oct 05 00:51:30 Right Oct 05 00:52:30 it will do as it stands for now, once its out there people can show me proper way :) Oct 05 00:53:07 Don't be evil about packaging Oct 05 00:53:16 im not Oct 05 00:54:04 Just a general recommendation. :P Oct 05 00:54:21 Always better to do it the right way asap Oct 05 00:54:31 then you don't get into the habit of doing it the wrong way and have to break it later. Oct 05 00:54:46 ping Oct 05 00:55:06 pong Oct 05 00:55:18 when you create a backup w@ backup, does it change "no backups created"? Oct 05 00:56:19 * timeless is evil Oct 05 00:56:50 In the list of backups? Oct 05 00:56:53 Um Oct 05 00:57:01 I dunno, I've got a bunch of backups sitting around all over the place. Oct 05 00:57:41 I just created a new backup and it added it to my existing list. Oct 05 00:58:15 can you guess what happened when i tried, and why? :) Oct 05 00:58:38 It failed horribly? Oct 05 00:58:58 nah, just amusingly Oct 05 00:59:12 more like error: success Oct 05 00:59:32 it created a backup, which i presume is valid Oct 05 01:00:01 but as there's no space on /... It couldn't record the backup creation Oct 05 01:00:11 short term memory loss Oct 05 01:00:16 Ha Oct 05 01:01:06 I really hope they do away with the stupid NAND setup for the N900. Oct 05 01:01:06 i'm open to suggestions about other apps likely to fail :) Oct 05 01:01:37 Since low memory seems to be responsible for a very large number of problems on the platform. Oct 05 01:02:18 oh sure, make it harder for me to find bugs. Where's the fun in that? Oct 05 01:02:56 btw, lest you think symbian is better. It killed my gmail app and my web browser, forcing me to try my n800 Oct 05 01:03:15 killed because it really ran out of memopry Oct 05 01:03:22 s/pry/ry/ Oct 05 01:03:22 timeless meant: killed because it really ran out of memory Oct 05 01:04:48 Micron's got a 256MB RAM PoP with no NAND that they should use. Oct 05 01:05:03 Just drop the OS on a bigger version of the N810's internal storage. Oct 05 01:05:53 lcuk2: you can keep the version number when testing by yourself. Increment version when you release the package somehow Oct 05 01:07:05 mikkov_, is there some nice automatic way to ensure this occurs? Oct 05 01:07:27 i dont mind inc on every package build Oct 05 01:07:53 ihavenoidea Oct 05 01:08:12 or are you releasing every build? Oct 05 01:08:33 no, but i dont want a different procedure for insternal and external, theres no point Oct 05 01:09:03 if i build a package and its fine and stable i dont wanna have to rebuild it Oct 05 01:09:03 for the sake of a number Oct 05 01:09:34 (binary contains fixed in palce binary build date stamp anyway and reports this date as part of its logging procedures Oct 05 01:10:59 Well, Extras-devel kinda solves the issue for you. Oct 05 01:11:06 Since it forces you to increment the version. Oct 05 01:12:09 cool :) Oct 05 01:12:18 since ive never had one in there it wont get me yet ;) Oct 05 01:12:28 but it doesn't increment version number automatically Oct 05 01:15:21 N810 has microUSB A, correct? Oct 05 01:16:42 err wait i mean B actually Oct 05 01:16:44 pff :-) Oct 05 01:18:04 Micro AB Oct 05 01:18:55 GeneralAntilles, do u know anyone who could use those adapters for the n800? i have 3 Oct 05 01:19:39 moontiger, did you get that Motorola Micro to Mini adaptor? Oct 05 01:19:48 That'll let you use the N800 adaptors with the N810. Oct 05 01:19:52 As a heavy user of both N810 and a Symbian based nokia, I have to say the N810 wins... Oct 05 01:19:56 naaaaaaa i'll wait til they make the usb -> micro Oct 05 01:20:15 i needed one here in bordeaux on friday, i ended up buying a memory card reader that came w/ the cable Oct 05 01:20:15 just wondered if you knew anyone could use these that i have Oct 05 01:20:18 Symbian's for cellphones. Oct 05 01:20:22 so it fails automatically. Oct 05 01:20:29 does bash2 come with maemo or was it something i added Oct 05 01:20:34 moontiger, not off-hand, no. Oct 05 01:20:40 smackpotato, something you added. Oct 05 01:20:42 GeneralAntilles, cellphones and PDA :-) Oct 05 01:20:42 It's in Extras. Oct 05 01:20:52 there are non-phone things with symbian, iirc.. Oct 05 01:21:08 shadowjk: sorry to hear that Oct 05 01:21:15 indeed Oct 05 01:21:26 so im the only one that has bashrc what it the maemo eqivelent Oct 05 01:21:37 * ShadowJK just upgraded to diablo :s Oct 05 01:21:55 there is microA -> USB and microB -> USB Oct 05 01:22:30 MicroA is for host mode. Oct 05 01:23:12 well i have 3 if anyone wants them for the price of mailing :) Oct 05 01:25:18 so if i want to have my N810 to connect to USB keyboard, i'd need a microA -> USB female right? Oct 05 01:25:37 dystopia, then you'd need to switch it software side. Oct 05 01:26:19 but else to connect it to hub it'd be microB -> USB male Oct 05 01:26:20 dystopia, i tried that and it just was a huge pain ... better get a bluetooth keyboard Oct 05 01:26:40 dystopia, um, no. Oct 05 01:27:21 http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_67&products_id=2043 Oct 05 01:27:35 http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_67&products_id=2004 Oct 05 01:27:47 That'll get you USB host in hardware on the N810. Oct 05 01:33:26 gan: so any other apps you can think of that are likely to fail? Oct 05 01:36:16 GeneralAntilles: ok, thank you!! Oct 05 01:36:43 dystopia, be aware that a lot of keyboard actually require more than 100mA. Oct 05 01:36:50 So you may need to use a USB hub. Oct 05 01:38:25 timeless, not really. Oct 05 01:38:46 timeless, though SSU is one of them in a couple of specific situations. Oct 05 01:42:12 timeless, what is "diablo pre"? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 05 02:59:57 2008