**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 10 03:00:06 2008 Oct 10 03:01:03 * mgedmin has a new tablet moment Oct 10 03:02:18 ooh, ancient OS version Oct 10 03:27:33 hey, the extras repository is broken!!!! Oct 10 03:29:42 without extras I can't get openssh Oct 10 03:29:49 or fbreader Oct 10 03:29:56 noooooooooo! Oct 10 03:31:25 oh, extras-devel Oct 10 03:31:27 stupid me Oct 10 03:47:00 hey, maemo-mapper is not installable! Oct 10 03:47:09 libhildonfm2 (=1:2.0.5) is missing Oct 10 04:16:09 EVERY OS FEATURE UPGRADE DISABLES THE MAEMO EXTRAS CATALOG! WTF! Oct 10 04:16:55 why maemo-mapper is in Category: other? Oct 10 04:16:58 why not in Navigation? Oct 10 04:18:28 hm, maemo-mapper's postinst exited with code 1 Oct 10 04:18:36 I wonder if that's just a case of a missing 'exit 0' at the end Oct 10 04:21:11 no Oct 10 04:21:53 "maemo-select-menu-location maemo-mapper.desktop" fails Oct 10 04:24:59 dpkg -L maemo-mapper shows the desktop file was dropped into / Oct 10 04:25:06 instead of /usr/share/applications/holdon/ Oct 10 04:25:11 err, hildon/ Oct 10 04:25:14 broken package!!! Oct 10 04:25:34 seen gnuite Oct 10 04:27:30 Does anyone know roughly how much a N800 would cost me? Oct 10 04:27:52 less than $400, since that's how much a N810 would cost you Oct 10 04:28:01 (amazon has them for around $360, I believe) Oct 10 04:28:21 used you can probably get them around $200-$300 Oct 10 04:28:27 no honestly, i bought a N770 many months ago but i got the WSOD so i decided to trash it but I want the N800 now. Oct 10 04:28:33 N800? Oct 10 04:28:43 the N810 in store is $349.99 Oct 10 04:28:58 $200-300 is too much isn't it? Oct 10 04:29:20 look for an n800 with an sd card of some type included, used for ~$200 Oct 10 04:29:33 they were going for less new for a while before all the stock was sold out Oct 10 04:29:40 * aspect paid $200aud a few months ago for n800 .. n810 goes for about $450aud Oct 10 04:29:57 whats the aud exchange rate? im Canadian Oct 10 04:30:00 * mgedmin updates https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2736&group_id=29&atid=185 Oct 10 04:30:06 * mgedmin hates the sourceforge-style bug tracker Oct 10 04:30:30 Is it possible to install Gentoo on the N800 ? Oct 10 04:30:36 google knows everything, including exchange rates Oct 10 04:30:36 no Oct 10 04:30:46 well, maybe, for some values of "install" and "Gentoo" Oct 10 04:30:47 zakkm, if you have time and want to start the project yourself, Oct 10 04:30:56 but for any reasonable values the answer is "no" Oct 10 04:31:01 lol Oct 10 04:31:14 there's no reason it wouldn't work Oct 10 04:31:17 it just hasn't been done Oct 10 04:31:18 i have used Gentoo very well for my pc in the past and use it for a mini download server Oct 10 04:31:34 I meant like since most people do debian, wouldnt gentoo technically work? Oct 10 04:31:44 Or is there some sort of block? Oct 10 04:31:46 yes, of course, but it wouldn't be practical Oct 10 04:31:51 Why not? Oct 10 04:31:57 no block in particular except time spent compiling Oct 10 04:32:08 I will compile on my pc, not the tablet. Oct 10 04:32:13 It wont have many apps. Oct 10 04:32:15 Its not a PC. Oct 10 04:32:27 even glibc takes a long time Oct 10 04:32:34 but sure, go ahead Oct 10 04:32:41 Oh also is mpd avaliable on maemo? Oct 10 04:33:01 I think so. check gronmayer.com/it and maemo.org /downloads Oct 10 04:33:09 or ... google :P Oct 10 04:33:30 oh cool there is Oct 10 04:39:54 zakkm, so you going to start the gentoo project? :) I know other people were interested but somehow nothing got started it seems Oct 10 04:40:50 Well first, I have to continue working to get the money for one. ( 17 years old, highschool ) Then i would have to find a obtain a new one but afterwards yes i would start Oct 10 04:44:39 sounds good. keep in mind that if you plan to use the command line a lot, you might want to get an n810 instead, since it has a keyboard Oct 10 04:45:16 I heard bluetooth keyboards work well with the n800 ? Oct 10 04:45:26 Also i can ssh it from my computer can't i? Oct 10 04:45:45 of course Oct 10 04:46:01 I cant afford anything more than the N800 Oct 10 04:46:07 Even the N800 is alot. Oct 10 04:46:16 I know the feeling Oct 10 04:46:41 I liked my N770 alot. I can't believe i got WSOD Oct 10 04:46:54 i got it on the second week of buying and since i bought off ebay. I couldn't return. Oct 10 04:46:55 I blew all my money when I was younger on getting my own desktop right when they started coming below $1000 Oct 10 04:47:07 gentoo on nit? o.O Oct 10 04:47:11 why not? Oct 10 04:47:21 aspect, sure why not. all it takes is lots and lots and lots of time Oct 10 04:47:31 Its as lightweight as you can get? Won't try LFS of course. Oct 10 04:47:56 it would be the same difference in the end Oct 10 04:48:01 Besides compile and setup time, how much extra time can it possibly take? Oct 10 04:48:08 I mean like.. can make "installers" Oct 10 04:48:27 hacking some packages that don't build for armel can take a surprising amount of time Oct 10 04:48:31 all Nokia n800's are the same aren't they? Oct 10 04:48:52 yup, and the n810 and n800 have the same cpu/chipset/memory Oct 10 04:48:58 oh really? Oct 10 04:49:09 So then yeah. besides the project itself. it can replace Debian Oct 10 04:49:15 * aspect thinks the question is not "why not" but "why". Then again, I'm not 17 any more. Oct 10 04:49:29 aspect, sorry. Oct 10 04:49:44 it's okay, I quite enjoy growing up :) Oct 10 04:49:54 zakkm, i think it's a great project and even if it doesn't work out perfectly you'll have a lot of fun or at least learn a lot :) Oct 10 04:49:57 but being 17 was fun too :) Oct 10 04:50:25 * johnx rebuilt most of his linux distro from source circa redhat 5.1 :) Oct 10 04:50:35 circa 5.1 ... Oct 10 04:50:47 * zakkm can't think back that far Oct 10 04:50:56 heh. I still remember the adventure of upgrading my slackware box to glibc :) Oct 10 04:51:08 things move fast, eh? Oct 10 04:51:10 * zakkm started at either redhat 7 or 8 Oct 10 04:51:19 ugh. rh8 was a nightmare Oct 10 04:51:25 these days all I need is my cane and apt-get Oct 10 04:51:28 they all were then :P Oct 10 04:51:34 these days all i need is my Mac :D Oct 10 04:51:46 debian was fine, but rh8 was especially broken Oct 10 04:52:15 debian existed then? Oct 10 04:52:18 debian: linux for codgers Oct 10 04:52:30 o.O Oct 10 04:52:39 debian has been around for a loooong time, son :) Oct 10 04:52:40 zakkm, debian is ooold :) Oct 10 04:52:54 Haha Oct 10 04:53:16 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html Oct 10 04:53:17 I just remember redhat 7-9 and then a huge jump to fedora core 4 Oct 10 04:53:24 I guess i found some other hobby then Oct 10 04:53:43 debian is pronouced deb ee an? Oct 10 04:53:50 i always pronouced it .. de be an Oct 10 04:54:29 So what NITs do the two of you have? Oct 10 04:54:36 n800 Oct 10 04:54:47 same Oct 10 04:54:50 better deal than the n810 as long as you don't care about the keyboard Oct 10 04:55:19 n810 is not worth the keyboard and gps at the cost of fixed camera, losing a memory slot and twice the price Oct 10 04:55:35 sometimes I really want the keyboard :/ Oct 10 04:55:35 oh, and the radio Oct 10 04:55:52 distro timeline if anyone's interested in nostalgia: http://www.kde-files.org/CONTENT/content-files/44218-gldt76.png Oct 10 04:56:06 I will get around to buying a bt keyboard at some point ... Oct 10 04:56:20 ah, I was looking for that :) Oct 10 04:56:42 oh I have one question if you dont mind Oct 10 04:56:48 sure, go ahead Oct 10 04:57:09 does anyone else remember the infomagic CDs? Oct 10 04:57:13 My friend is looking to buy a N800, was totally into my N770 when i had it.. He asked if the GPS works even if no wifi is found? Oct 10 04:57:18 I didnt know the answer. Oct 10 04:57:39 n800 has no gps Oct 10 04:57:45 the n810 gps Oct 10 04:58:05 well the GPS works no matter where you are, but if you need to download maps you need wifi... Oct 10 04:58:07 I have no idea why he thinks it would depend on wifi Oct 10 04:58:08 The problem is here, the N810 is $349.99 instore, warranty etc.. but N800s dont sell Oct 10 04:58:31 oh okay Oct 10 04:58:46 well you have to download maps? Oct 10 04:58:54 or update them possibly Oct 10 04:59:01 the most popular map application on the n8x0 (maemo-mapper) downloads maps over the internet. You can download them ahead of time, but if you don't then you're out of luck without wifi Oct 10 04:59:02 I dont know. Oct 10 04:59:22 there's also an included map application, but the maps just cover the US and Europe and a couple other countries Oct 10 04:59:22 k thanks. He seems very interested by that. Oct 10 04:59:28 Oh Oct 10 04:59:30 We're in Canada? Oct 10 04:59:36 Toronto, Canada Oct 10 04:59:42 I'm sure that's covered Oct 10 04:59:48 I should have said north america :) Oct 10 04:59:58 Ok, just making sure. Oct 10 05:00:17 a good thing to do...lots of people buy these assuming things and end up frustrated Oct 10 05:00:30 haha yeah. Oct 10 05:00:36 I'm a big fan of asking on irc. Oct 10 05:00:48 and idling in them and going through logs Oct 10 05:01:02 lots of good info in the logs here and on google in general Oct 10 05:01:14 wiki.maemo.org is also pretty great Oct 10 05:01:15 n800s don't sell new anywhere any more afaik; but in canada you should be able to come across one second hand with a bit of patience Oct 10 05:02:13 My friend saw one on craigslist brand new in box for $190 Oct 10 05:02:24 pretty good deal Oct 10 05:02:31 that's about the price to look for I think Oct 10 05:02:44 I saw one a couple months back on tigerdirect ( which has many locations in my city ) for $229.99 but i didn't have the money Oct 10 05:03:19 one more thing for the gps...you have to pay for routing with the built in map application, and for maemo-mapper it uses google for routing, so you need an inet connection to get new routes Oct 10 05:03:27 that's probably what your friend was thinking of Oct 10 05:03:31 Would it be bad to buy one second-hand thats used? Oct 10 05:03:48 an n800? probably fine. Oct 10 05:04:26 no moving parts, built like a little tank. if you get it from craigslist, make sure you test the touchscreen Oct 10 05:04:43 if you get it from ebay, make sure they say stuff works and give you a DOA guarantee Oct 10 05:04:52 batteries are pretty cheap and easy to find, so that's no problem Oct 10 05:05:04 theres alot of ppl selling for $180-220 on craigslist Oct 10 05:05:07 but used Oct 10 05:05:12 $170 even Oct 10 05:06:12 it all depends on the condition, but like I said, they take a *lot* of abuse and still look nice Oct 10 05:06:59 yeah but would i have to test wifi , bluetooth. .etc/ Oct 10 05:07:19 like i bought the nokia n770 and two weeks later i got wsod -.- Oct 10 05:07:22 couldn't fix Oct 10 05:07:24 I can't find a conclusive answer but it appears there is no vim-gtk that at this point works in diablo - in my case an n800. If this is operational perspective, that there is none, can anyone suggest an editor that works nicely for making coding that is gui? Oct 10 05:07:26 that would be best I think. touchscreen and wifi would be my biggest concerns Oct 10 05:07:36 WSOD or similar doesn't happen to n8x0s Oct 10 05:07:43 it was a design flaw with the 770 Oct 10 05:08:24 yigal: qt4 ? Oct 10 05:08:30 yigal, maybe pygtkeditor? or scite? Oct 10 05:08:46 oh pfft vim-gtk -.- Oct 10 05:09:04 zakkm: will check those out, they are available at this time? Oct 10 05:09:25 I *think so*, sorry can't check now Oct 10 05:09:27 excuse me zakkm I meant johnx, confusing sorry Oct 10 05:09:33 yigal: i didnt realize you said vim-gtk .. so dont look up qt4 :p Oct 10 05:09:38 johnx: don't worry I will Oct 10 05:09:45 zakkm: no need to Oct 10 05:10:09 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pygtkeditor/ <-- pygtkeditor Oct 10 05:10:20 yigal : .. Oct 10 05:10:32 thank you Oct 10 05:10:38 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/scite/ <-- scite Oct 10 05:11:25 johnx: i know they dont but it was annoying. I just spent $85 on something i only got to use for two weeks Oct 10 05:11:33 ( I paid $85 for the Nokia N770 ) Oct 10 05:12:16 they look good, not vim, but I'll get over it, using vim in the osso-xterm I just can't get used to, via ssh it's great to have though Oct 10 05:12:17 nokia N800 Tablet w/ 128mb and 4G sd's - $170 ??? sounds good? Oct 10 05:12:18 yeah, that would really suck Oct 10 05:12:25 why you using vim ? Oct 10 05:12:38 zakkm: for me, it's the best text editor Oct 10 05:12:41 use nano XD .. if that works well on NITs Oct 10 05:12:58 or even just vi Oct 10 05:12:59 zakkm: :), no I'm not that type of minimalist Oct 10 05:13:04 vi is fine, but drives me crazy with the onscreen keyboard O_o Oct 10 05:13:17 use abiword :D lol Oct 10 05:13:24 that's bloat Oct 10 05:13:28 its a joke. Oct 10 05:13:34 yes, it was funny Oct 10 05:13:35 zakkm, sure. just make sure you can poke at it first Oct 10 05:13:41 but not as funny as using openoffice Oct 10 05:13:46 :D Oct 10 05:13:50 i would never use openoffice Oct 10 05:13:51 dont like it Oct 10 05:13:58 screw the bloat part. Oct 10 05:14:06 zakkm: good luck with the n800, I'm really liking mine Oct 10 05:14:12 Thanks Oct 10 05:14:14 how much did you pay for it? Oct 10 05:14:26 an even $200 - ebay Oct 10 05:14:31 ah Oct 10 05:14:35 trying to find it as cheap as possible Oct 10 05:14:49 could have got it for less, but I didn't want to waste too much of my time for the deal Oct 10 05:14:54 zakkm, don't go too cheap and end up with a paperweight... Oct 10 05:15:07 lol Oct 10 05:15:19 nokia N800 Tablet w/ 128mb and 4G sd's - $170 <-- how does that sound? Oct 10 05:15:26 meet in person.. so no shipping or anything Oct 10 05:15:26 yigal, he's going to start building gentoo, natively. I think time must not be a problem... Oct 10 05:15:36 haha Oct 10 05:15:42 Im in Highschool with a part-time job. Oct 10 05:15:47 it looks good though. Oct 10 05:15:58 wow, obviously not, sounds like a good buy Oct 10 05:16:01 seems like a good deal Oct 10 05:16:10 onesec Oct 10 05:16:17 http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/ele/870210648.html Oct 10 05:16:22 used though, but apparantly comes with everything Oct 10 05:17:08 sounds good, if it is what it claims to be Oct 10 05:17:55 gonna take me a few weeks to save up $170 Oct 10 05:18:06 ah man, all that nice stuff I didn't get with mine... Oct 10 05:18:12 * johnx bought a floor model Oct 10 05:18:18 what's that? Oct 10 05:18:24 a demo unit Oct 10 05:18:35 at a compUSA store that was closing Oct 10 05:18:37 so just device and charger? Oct 10 05:18:47 yup. I'm lucky the guy found the charger, too Oct 10 05:18:58 Haha Oct 10 05:19:04 and it had been abused for ~3 months before I got my hands on it Oct 10 05:19:25 Desperate for a NIT? Oct 10 05:19:48 well, it was ~30% off, right after they had just come out Oct 10 05:20:02 * summatusmentis has been contemplating selling his n810 Oct 10 05:20:14 summatusmentis: i offer you $100 XD Oct 10 05:20:21 and my computer Oct 10 05:20:31 well .. the tower Oct 10 05:20:39 zakkm: I don't know I want to... I just don't know that I use it enough Oct 10 05:20:57 heres a thought, use it more. :P Oct 10 05:21:13 I carry a laptop with me most of the time, I prefer the full keyboard Oct 10 05:21:32 mgedmin, nokia-repositories has been fixed for the next update. Oct 10 05:21:40 johnx: apps work on maemo/NITs as long as the dependencies are met and it compiles, right? Oct 10 05:21:48 compiles succesfully in armel * * Oct 10 05:22:10 zakkm, yes, to some extent at least Oct 10 05:22:22 remember, 128MB of RAM and 400MHz is all you get Oct 10 05:22:27 although, my nit works well for surfing the net under the desk in calss :) Oct 10 05:22:28 I mean is that all thats required? Oct 10 05:22:32 class* Oct 10 05:22:53 summatusmentis: be human and use it above the desk :D Oct 10 05:22:56 zakkm, as a bare baseline, yes. whether it's particularly usable depends on the requirements of the app and its interface Oct 10 05:23:06 oh okay Oct 10 05:23:18 * johnx pictures summatusmentis sitting under his desk in class Oct 10 05:23:27 zakkm: I'm supposed to be paying attention above the desk Oct 10 05:23:39 * zakkm pictures the teacher looking at summatusmentis supiciously Oct 10 05:23:41 johnx: I wihs! Oct 10 05:23:42 so? Oct 10 05:23:44 wish* Oct 10 05:23:47 Whats the worst that can happen Oct 10 05:24:00 I get called out in front of the class Oct 10 05:24:06 I have a friend, highschool, he just sits in class on his laptop playing/ talking on msn. Teacher says nothing Oct 10 05:24:16 So? dont like that? Oct 10 05:24:22 wait? Oct 10 05:24:24 called out of class? Oct 10 05:24:41 doesn't work as well in a math class when you have no reason to be using it Oct 10 05:24:53 johnx: how much does the newest OS2008 take in terms of ram usage? Oct 10 05:25:04 by a "top" amount. Oct 10 05:25:10 with no apps opened. Oct 10 05:25:14 top is entirely meaningless. Oct 10 05:25:21 ahh sorry Oct 10 05:25:22 "free" Oct 10 05:25:38 GeneralAntilles, not entirely for strict memory free or cached after boot Oct 10 05:26:14 screw cache Oct 10 05:26:16 how much is left Oct 10 05:26:31 once you include cache it will always be full.. more-or-less Oct 10 05:26:51 15MB free 48MB cache Oct 10 05:27:01 are you serious? thats crap Oct 10 05:27:05 eh? Oct 10 05:27:12 thought theres 128mb? Oct 10 05:27:17 uh yeah Oct 10 05:27:27 desktop, weather applet, rss reader, various applets Oct 10 05:27:40 Is 2008OS quicker/more reponsive than 2007 ? Oct 10 05:27:48 x server, libgtk, a pretty background Oct 10 05:27:58 it uses xorg? Oct 10 05:28:04 kdrive actually Oct 10 05:28:15 background - feh? Oct 10 05:28:17 OS2008 has a whole extra 70MHz. . . . Oct 10 05:28:22 zakkm, yes, helped significantly by a CPU speed boost from 320MHz to > 400MHz Oct 10 05:28:30 yeah but the version might be more intensive Oct 10 05:28:39 it is Oct 10 05:28:47 Trust me, you don't want to use OS2007. Oct 10 05:28:48 but it's worth it in every way Oct 10 05:28:52 k Oct 10 05:29:19 heck, try it out, then try to find apps for it or sites that work right with the browser Oct 10 05:29:25 can you overclock it? lol just curious Oct 10 05:29:47 maybe, no one has, though some have looked around Oct 10 05:29:56 if you're an experienced kernel hacker, have a go :) Oct 10 05:30:02 lol no Oct 10 05:30:14 then the answer is no Oct 10 05:30:20 the most ive done as far as that is concerned is kernel configuration Oct 10 05:30:26 actual editing of kernel, no thanks. Oct 10 05:30:28 overclocking a device with passive cooling is really asking for trouble Oct 10 05:30:41 but how did they boost the cpu speed then? Oct 10 05:30:49 without altering the hardware Oct 10 05:30:50 because 400MHz was the original design spec Oct 10 05:30:52 was it underclocked? Oct 10 05:30:54 or something Oct 10 05:31:08 huh, I thought vim was in extras... Oct 10 05:31:11 yup, then they did some neat tricks with frequency scaling to solve the power drain Oct 10 05:31:17 If you want to fry it. Oct 10 05:31:25 So 2008 takes more power than 2007 ? Oct 10 05:31:32 oh, it is in extras-devel Oct 10 05:31:36 any reason not to promote? Oct 10 05:31:47 cause its dev stuff? Oct 10 05:31:49 No, OS2008 can take more or less depending on the use-case. Oct 10 05:32:03 zakkm, that's not what Extras-devel is about. . . . Oct 10 05:32:05 zakkm, probably not. the CPU normally sits at 160MHz when idle, where before it was always 320 Oct 10 05:32:08 i know Oct 10 05:32:12 devel is beta isnt it? Oct 10 05:32:14 330 Oct 10 05:32:31 * johnx thinks in bogoMIPS :) Oct 10 05:32:36 yes, 330MHz Oct 10 05:32:50 It's beta, but it's not category:developer's tools. Oct 10 05:32:55 i know Oct 10 05:33:06 i just said that :p Oct 10 05:33:28 [1:29am] cause its dev stuff? Oct 10 05:33:42 ^ implies that it's for developer's tools, no matter their stability. Oct 10 05:33:42 zakkm Oct 10 05:33:42 devel is beta isnt it? Oct 10 05:33:58 lol this irc client is weird. but yes i said that before you said it Oct 10 05:34:00 GeneralAntilles, extras-devel implies that it's dev stuff Oct 10 05:34:13 extras devel is dev stuff in the sense it's stuff that's in development Oct 10 05:34:19 not stuff that is for developers Oct 10 05:34:21 but if its in normal extras. then people will try it, get curious, google it etc Oct 10 05:34:34 and say how does it work , etc Oct 10 05:34:46 while if its kept in extra-devel then they can say .. its for experts only Oct 10 05:35:00 which developers stuff and beta stuff both are .. well beta somewhat Oct 10 05:35:34 A stable version of vim wont hurt anybody. Oct 10 05:35:44 They install it, find out it's not useful them them, and uninstall it. Oct 10 05:35:53 OMG stable vim *dies* Oct 10 05:35:59 yes but you dont wanna category it with other things Oct 10 05:36:06 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Oct 10 05:36:10 it belongs in devel in my opinion Oct 10 05:36:13 Nevermind Oct 10 05:36:36 * mgedmin drops some flowers on johnx's grave Oct 10 05:36:39 zakkm, nah, extras is anything that's safe and generally working, no matter who it's for Oct 10 05:36:39 anyways, there is no developement section anyways Oct 10 05:36:41 is there? Oct 10 05:36:48 Its been awhile since i last saw a repo list Oct 10 05:36:54 there's a devel category in extras, IIRC :) Oct 10 05:37:03 mgedmin, by the way, user/nagivation isn't a valid section. Oct 10 05:37:17 oh? Oct 10 05:37:19 strange Oct 10 05:37:28 the app installer showed it to me when I only had nokia's default repos Oct 10 05:37:30 nevermind, I lied Oct 10 05:37:40 but there is a programming section Oct 10 05:37:48 (stupid thing keeps disabling extras after every OS feature upgrade) Oct 10 05:37:52 called programming? Oct 10 05:38:06 zakkm, yes, it's a subcategory of the extras repo Oct 10 05:38:17 accessories, communication, games, multimedia, office, other, programming, support, Oct 10 05:38:17 themes, tools Oct 10 05:38:19 mgedmin: it might overwrite settings with default = off Oct 10 05:38:23 oh Oct 10 05:38:24 mgedmin, like I said, it's been fixed for the next release. Oct 10 05:38:38 oh, that's what you meant Oct 10 05:38:43 zakkm: pygtkeditor very nice it even has some tex/latex syntax highlighting, thanks for telling me about it Oct 10 05:38:45 mgedmin, well, Nokia isn't compliant with their own packaging policy. Oct 10 05:38:47 i was referring to normal linux repos .. i havent used a NIT in along time Oct 10 05:38:58 heh Oct 10 05:38:58 ? Oct 10 05:39:00 zakkm, think debian for the most part Oct 10 05:39:02 johnx told you about it Oct 10 05:39:08 anyone here with admin access to extras-devel? Oct 10 05:39:13 http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566 Oct 10 05:39:13 yigal: johnx told you, i just linked it. Oct 10 05:39:20 there's a package with broken control file that breaks the app manager Oct 10 05:39:32 johnx: yeah but i didnt relaize there was a section called programming Oct 10 05:39:44 oh yes, then more props for johnx, I'm going to bed I obviously can't think Oct 10 05:39:47 oh wow i was write Oct 10 05:39:49 thanks johnx Oct 10 05:39:50 it overwrities :P Oct 10 05:39:57 right* Oct 10 05:39:58 easy-deb-chroot, iirc Oct 10 05:40:07 zakkm, heh...that's because the nokia guys make up their own sections, as do other people contributing packages to extras Oct 10 05:40:35 zakkm, yeah, it *really* shouldn't though Oct 10 05:40:37 Software Packages in "lenny", Subsection devel Oct 10 05:40:42 see i picked development Oct 10 05:40:47 debian classifies that as devel Oct 10 05:40:55 it doesnt count betas as devel.. Oct 10 05:41:03 I was right .. just about debian, not NITs way. Oct 10 05:41:13 http://packages.debian.org/testing/ <-- and click development Oct 10 05:41:58 zakkm, debian and the distro on the NITs has diverged quite a bit, especially in naming Oct 10 05:42:18 johnx... is it ok to use glib in a dbus client for the deblets? Oct 10 05:42:19 I know but GeneralAntilles was telling me i was wrong, when i wasn't Oct 10 05:42:37 Well almost not wrong. just was talking about something else. Oct 10 05:43:01 Maemo is Debian right? Oct 10 05:43:24 zakkm, maemo isnt debian as such Oct 10 05:43:28 does Maemo use /etc/rc.d for services? Oct 10 05:43:30 it is based on debian Oct 10 05:43:31 ahh Oct 10 05:43:32 daemons Oct 10 05:43:34 zakkm, there were more related 3 years ago, but no it's not, and yes, you were technically wrong :) Oct 10 05:43:44 and maemo is a modified gnome desktop afaik Oct 10 05:43:49 s/there/maemo and debian/ Oct 10 05:43:50 johnx meant: zakkm, maemo and debian were more related 3 years ago, but no it's not, and yes, you were technically wrong :) Oct 10 05:44:00 its gnome? really? Oct 10 05:44:00 Extras-devel is about stability, not about package section. Oct 10 05:44:07 zakkm, only in the loosest sense Oct 10 05:44:10 a modified gnome Oct 10 05:44:16 lol Oct 10 05:44:17 both Maemo and Debian have the letter 'e' in their name Oct 10 05:44:17 GeneralAntilles, it *is* a confusing name though Oct 10 05:44:19 just gtk but nothing else? Oct 10 05:44:22 and the letter 'a', too! Oct 10 05:44:31 hildon Oct 10 05:44:37 gconf Oct 10 05:44:40 hildon is nit only isnt it? Oct 10 05:44:43 No Oct 10 05:44:47 oh Oct 10 05:44:47 Ubuntu MID uses Hildon Oct 10 05:44:47 zakkm, gtk, dbus, x11, Oct 10 05:44:51 hildon will run on ubuntu Oct 10 05:44:55 handheld device stuff Oct 10 05:45:06 hal ? :P Oct 10 05:45:08 lol Oct 10 05:45:17 Hardware Abstraction Layer Oct 10 05:45:26 yes it has hal via dbus Oct 10 05:45:31 well it has hal Oct 10 05:45:36 and u can access it via dbus Oct 10 05:45:41 i know.. does it have hal? Oct 10 05:45:48 i know what hal is Oct 10 05:45:58 what file would be edited to add daemons to startp? Oct 10 05:46:01 startup* Oct 10 05:46:21 johnx, do you know about the deblets stuff? Oct 10 05:46:23 Is there any daemons i could possibly remove to save memory? Oct 10 05:46:49 moontiger, why would it not be ok to use dbus and glib on deblet? Oct 10 05:46:59 sorry I didn't see the questions earlier Oct 10 05:47:11 zakkm, metalayer-crawler Oct 10 05:47:18 well sts asked me if i could write a battery monitor for deblet Oct 10 05:47:27 so im using dbus to get to hal Oct 10 05:47:34 From the slide, it shows that the next internet tablet includes 3G HSPA, a TI OMAP3 processor, OpenGL graphics accelerator, and Maemo 5 OS. Oct 10 05:47:36 should i wait? Oct 10 05:47:41 moontiger, that seems reasonable I think Oct 10 05:47:58 zakkm, can you have $500 by next june, and wait that long? Oct 10 05:48:09 next june? really Oct 10 05:48:23 plus or minus a month or two Oct 10 05:48:34 opengl acceleration in NITs would help alot though Oct 10 05:48:48 how fast are TI OMAP3's? Oct 10 05:49:05 close to the intel atom, clock for clock, IIRC Oct 10 05:49:10 I updated to the latest version of OS2008 and I can no longer make a bluetooth connection to the internet through my treo, it worked with the older version of OS2008 that came with it factory. any ideas? Oct 10 05:49:12 haha Oct 10 05:49:16 i have the intel atom on my cpu :) Oct 10 05:49:20 that im using now for my pc Oct 10 05:49:27 got the D945gclf motherboard :D Oct 10 05:49:39 OMAP3 is 2-3x faster than OMAP2 Oct 10 05:49:39 error message is "internet connection failed" Oct 10 05:49:42 johnx i was wondering if using glib was also ok or if i should keep to the low level c api Oct 10 05:49:43 zakkm, interesting choice Oct 10 05:49:55 A 600MHz Cortex A8 is approximately equivalent to a >1GHz ARM11. Oct 10 05:49:55 Its fast enough, Mac OSX works natively on it Oct 10 05:50:11 I dont know what Cortex's are. :P Oct 10 05:50:25 moontiger, I think it should be fine. most environments that people would use on deblet that need a battery meter would already depend on glib Oct 10 05:50:36 ok cool :) Oct 10 05:50:44 sounds like the tablet is very very slow Oct 10 05:50:48 Hardly Oct 10 05:50:55 the N800 that is. Oct 10 05:50:58 zakkm, from your perspective? likely :P Oct 10 05:51:08 My N770 was so slow :P Oct 10 05:51:15 s/N770/770/g Oct 10 05:51:16 the n800 is a lot faster than that Oct 10 05:51:22 GeneralAntilles, please give it up Oct 10 05:51:30 I realize that but still. Oct 10 05:51:38 johnx, it's my job. Oct 10 05:51:56 GeneralAntilles, how much does pedantry pay? Oct 10 05:54:07 * moontiger laughs Oct 10 05:54:21 there was supposed to be a :P after that :D Oct 10 05:55:53 zakkm, what was your first computer? Oct 10 05:57:15 johnx, glib isnt gtk is it? Oct 10 05:57:24 gtk is built on glib right? Oct 10 05:57:25 moontiger, gtk depends on glib Oct 10 05:57:38 so i can use glib WITHOUT pulling in gtk yes? Oct 10 05:57:44 yes Oct 10 05:58:04 coolio thnx ... im new to gtk programming so sorry if i ask dumb questions Oct 10 05:58:05 :) Oct 10 05:58:25 * johnx doesn't really program in gtk at all, just hacks things until they compile Oct 10 05:58:32 heh Oct 10 05:58:55 its kinda frustrating cos im a senior level programmer on other platforms but learning from scratch again is odd Oct 10 05:58:58 fun but odd Oct 10 05:59:39 Nice, Qole broke Extras-devel Oct 10 05:59:51 aaaawesome Oct 10 05:59:53 Someone get him a scratchbox :P Oct 10 06:00:01 I knew those debian guys were up to no good! Oct 10 06:00:22 http://slexy.org/view/s21i5J86TJ Oct 10 06:01:15 wow....just wow Oct 10 06:01:36 never saw that one Oct 10 06:01:46 * GeneralAntilles wonders why in the world UPS is giving me an estimated delivery of Saturday. Oct 10 06:02:02 because your had something shipped UPS? Oct 10 06:02:23 ups-- Oct 10 06:02:25 But Saturday? Oct 10 06:02:37 He put it in non-free, too. . . . Oct 10 06:02:43 Hah. all the depends line is: Oct 10 06:02:44 Somebody go beat qole up with a rubber hose. Oct 10 06:02:44 Depends: bzip2, tar, wget Oct 10 06:02:46 :P Oct 10 06:03:30 don't they deilver on saturday with certain shipping deals? like some super-priority-expresso shipping option? Oct 10 06:03:45 johnx, sure, but I only paid for Ground. Oct 10 06:03:52 or maybe it's just a lie to kill your plans for saturday :) Oct 10 06:03:56 I know I'd do that Oct 10 06:04:00 Hehe Oct 10 06:04:05 I wont be here anyway. Oct 10 06:04:17 uhm...your refridgerator will be delivered between 8PM saturday and whenever the bars close Oct 10 06:04:59 Is powerlaunch really necessary for Debian chroot? Oct 10 06:05:29 I'm sure he removed the need for it in his latest versions Oct 10 06:05:46 why on earth is ./configure claiming I don't have gtk+-2.0 in my scratchbox? Oct 10 06:06:14 does it want a later version? are the headers there? Oct 10 06:06:33 is gtk+-2.0 registered? Oct 10 06:06:38 sorry i left ;p Oct 10 06:06:56 registered? sounds like windows and it's dlls... Oct 10 06:06:58 johnx: my first computer, was a 486 i believe lol Oct 10 06:07:02 s/it's/its Oct 10 06:07:08 ?? Oct 10 06:07:16 registered, as in, in the package manager? Oct 10 06:07:27 packages are registered , version number, what repo it came from etc. Oct 10 06:07:46 ah, never heard of it like that Oct 10 06:07:47 zakkm, well it's faster than that. think a ~400MHz PII or PII w/ 128MB of RAM and a 5,400 hard drive Oct 10 06:07:54 maybe debuild was a bad idea Oct 10 06:08:01 ./configure works if I run it myself Oct 10 06:08:07 let me try dpkg-buildpackage Oct 10 06:08:12 oh really? Oct 10 06:08:18 N800 or the new one coming out? Oct 10 06:08:45 qwerty12: how would it know if gtk+-2.0 if it didnt say anywhere that it was installed/wasnt? Oct 10 06:08:56 zakkm, n800 Oct 10 06:09:01 The new one will be faster than N800 for sure but as none of us have tried it, you can bet on the N800 :P Oct 10 06:09:11 really? Oct 10 06:09:18 400mhz P2 w/ 128mb ram? Oct 10 06:09:20 zakkm, meh, I've used headers fine when I've compiled it from tarball myself Oct 10 06:10:01 zakkm, configure isn't tied to a package manager or even to linux Oct 10 06:10:02 thats awesome Oct 10 06:10:13 i know Oct 10 06:10:16 its coreutils Oct 10 06:10:24 well make .. probably? Oct 10 06:11:19 GeneralAntilles: any ideas on how to fix extras-devel? Oct 10 06:11:31 Somebody needs to kill easy-deb-chroot Oct 10 06:11:48 have qole dunput? Oct 10 06:12:00 Lets promote it! Oct 10 06:12:42 into /dev/null Oct 10 06:13:07 maemo wiki is incredibly slow tonight Oct 10 06:18:00 * mgedmin uploads pwsafe to extras-devel autobuilder Oct 10 06:18:03 would PekWM work well on the N800? Oct 10 06:23:38 hmm, is the bug in the package, or is the bug in the archive? Oct 10 06:25:11 Packages file I guess. Look, he has an empty depends: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/non-free/binary-armel/Packages Oct 10 06:26:17 wow somebody broke the whole repo?? Oct 10 06:26:57 Poor qole Oct 10 06:27:02 He may never upload another package again. Oct 10 06:27:16 he uploaded one with a fixed debian/control Oct 10 06:27:36 but the archive script includes both of them in the Packages file Oct 10 06:27:42 someone should fix the script Oct 10 06:27:52 to omit empty Depends: lines from the output Oct 10 06:28:28 what's the bug tracker for the extras-devel repository problems? Oct 10 06:29:30 bugs.maemo.org of course Oct 10 06:33:50 * mgedmin files a bug Oct 10 06:37:59 hah @ qole uploading a broken package Oct 10 06:38:12 told him to make a debian package from scratch instead of the hacky .deb stuff Oct 10 06:38:12 :P Oct 10 06:39:11 * GeneralAntilles fires off an email to Boingo about the package section. Oct 10 06:39:28 reported as https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3796 Oct 10 06:44:29 hi, did someone worked a bit with the osso-pdf-viewer code ? Oct 10 06:45:08 did you managed to open a file in the emulator or on the device when launching it ? Oct 10 06:45:25 *when launching it from the host pc that is Oct 10 06:48:06 * GeneralAntilles fires off more emails to maintainers with invalid packages. Oct 10 06:58:36 Woo, one positive response. Oct 10 07:35:39 Are there available sources for at least the simplest modules in /lib/dsp (e.g. pcm)? Oct 10 07:36:58 GeneralAntilles: Make a wiki page with a nice table ;) Oct 10 07:37:38 s/Make/Create/ Oct 10 07:37:39 X-Fade meant: GeneralAntilles: Create a wiki page with a nice table ;) Oct 10 07:55:00 what would you suggest to use for me to sync my n810 with my laptop? Oct 10 07:55:05 other than using usb? Oct 10 07:55:14 something like live mesh but works on the n810 Oct 10 07:56:45 X-Fade, 3 positive responses so far! Oct 10 07:58:03 GeneralAntilles: What does your mail say? "You suck! Fix ur ShiTZ" Oct 10 08:00:06 Something like: "Hi there! Your package x specifies an invalid section "y". This goes against the platform packaging policy. Section a, b, or c would be more appropriate. Thank you for your time!" Oct 10 08:00:35 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, positive mails and offering a solution helps. Oct 10 08:00:43 GeneralAntilles: That is how I do it too. Oct 10 08:01:58 GeneralAntilles: Most developers actually care, they just need a bit of a push. Oct 10 08:02:13 I wonder about user/navigation Oct 10 08:03:04 GeneralAntilles: Make sure to add to: https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories Oct 10 08:03:31 GeneralAntilles: Navigation would be a useful category? Oct 10 08:03:45 I dunno Oct 10 08:03:48 Maps uses it Oct 10 08:04:18 I'm trying to create a reasonable list and get them in the policy before Fremantle. Oct 10 08:04:35 It seems like it could be Oct 10 08:04:48 As we've got a much larger focus on location-based stuff than other platforms Oct 10 08:06:10 Maemo Mapper is currently in Other Oct 10 08:06:16 which is a weak catch-all. Oct 10 08:06:17 Hmm I wonder what happened here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/pwsafe_1.3.1-0mg1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt Oct 10 08:06:59 X-Fade, did you see that Extras-devel is broken? Oct 10 08:07:16 GeneralAntilles: What broke? Oct 10 08:07:21 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3796 Oct 10 08:07:34 easy-deb-chroot has a blank depends line in Packages. Oct 10 08:07:40 I'm not really sure what's up. Oct 10 08:08:00 I think the older version of easy-deb-chroot broke things. Oct 10 08:08:05 He fixed it in the latest upload. Oct 10 08:08:18 Ah yeah, that is the same issue. Oct 10 08:12:00 Categorization just plain sucks. Oct 10 08:30:17 Should bug kontto about UKMP Oct 10 08:30:26 s/kontto/konttori/ Oct 10 08:30:26 GeneralAntilles meant: Should bug konttori about UKMP Oct 10 08:33:03 X-Fade, I think we should try to push the Maemo-specific packaging fields as part of the categorization stuff Oct 10 08:33:09 pretty name, icon, upgrade details, etc. Oct 10 08:33:33 Yes, that would be a good thing. Oct 10 08:42:10 General: Ah, just skip the last t and declare hi Japanese =) Oct 10 08:42:17 s/hi/him/ Oct 10 08:42:18 RST38h meant: General: Ah, just skip the last t and declare him Japanese =) Oct 10 09:08:27 hi Oct 10 09:47:10 I wonder if we will see UBIFS on our tablets soon. Oct 10 09:51:17 Only if Nokia decides to pick it up for / Oct 10 09:51:26 Otherwise, why would you? Oct 10 09:51:31 "on-the-flight compression" Oct 10 09:51:39 http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html Oct 10 09:51:41 Well, it will be so much better than jffs2 ;) Oct 10 09:52:05 I'd rather just move away from the NAND setup. Oct 10 09:52:19 Yeah, but that is unlikely. Oct 10 09:53:00 3 sd ports thank you very much Oct 10 09:53:01 :P Oct 10 09:53:22 ^ Oct 10 09:53:25 x-fade, thats an interesting aside, you are in a better position than anyone to push it. seems like it ticks all the right boxen for a flash fs Oct 10 09:53:35 Moving away from NAND also means we can put more RAM in the PoP. Oct 10 09:53:43 lcuk: Lol, you give me way too much credit ;) Oct 10 09:53:50 Hehe Oct 10 09:54:07 lcuk: I'm absolutely in _no_ position to push things like that ;) Oct 10 09:54:09 i'd love a nokia with 3 sd ports, for easy backup of internal software, etc :P Oct 10 09:54:20 .. mirroring or raid ;) Oct 10 09:54:25 OMAP3 has support for it. Oct 10 09:54:29 heh, ok then, GeneralAntilles pack your gavel - you need to go knock some heads to get the core elements in place Oct 10 09:54:59 x-fade :) maybe push was too strong, you are in the right place to enquire and ask. sometimes thats all thats needed Oct 10 09:55:20 oh, and you can hold the server to ransom ;) Oct 10 09:56:00 "ill turn off the n770 if we dont get ubifs ;) Oct 10 09:57:47 hm is ubifs stable enough? Oct 10 09:58:22 woglinde: I have no idea. Oct 10 09:58:30 It just got merged in 2.6.27. Oct 10 09:58:36 hm the site says it will be in 27 Oct 10 09:58:47 this could mean it is somehow stable Oct 10 09:59:17 args that means a next todo on my list to integrate this into openembedded Oct 10 09:59:28 where is my clone machine Oct 10 10:00:06 woglinde: It only works on raw mtd devices, so make sure you know what you are doing ;) Oct 10 10:00:08 LMAO, "The French mobile service provider Bouygues Telecom had recently asked Apple to have the right to sell iPhones (only Orange has the right to do that). Apple replied to this request, and said they saw no problem with them selling iPhones, as long as they sold them with Orange contracts." Oct 10 10:00:23 hehe. Oct 10 10:00:25 General: SDRAM size issue is mostly cost-dependent Oct 10 10:00:30 crashanddie, thats class Oct 10 10:00:41 RST38h, more like availability dependent. Oct 10 10:00:48 Chips are about the same size and consume about the same power, but bigger SDRAM chips cost more Oct 10 10:00:50 There aren't any PoPs with 512MB yet. Oct 10 10:01:11 X-Fade: hm which device has raw mtd? Oct 10 10:01:15 yea, installing two effectively doubles your power drain and cost Oct 10 10:01:27 woglinde: The tablets? :) Oct 10 10:01:28 lcuk, I think that's Apple very polite way of saying "Go fuck yourself" Oct 10 10:01:32 Micron/Samsung has 128MB RAM/256MB NAND or 256MB RAM/No NAND. Oct 10 10:01:38 Apple's** Oct 10 10:01:47 crashanddie, either way, its bag on accurate Oct 10 10:01:57 bang Oct 10 10:02:07 That's a weird chip and I would rather prefer Nokia does not use it Oct 10 10:02:16 anyway, time for more tps reports :( Oct 10 10:02:19 Why's it weird? Oct 10 10:02:36 x-fade ah I sea that means if I have a /dev/mtd? device than I am fine Oct 10 10:02:50 combines RAM + NAND on a single die. Probably good for cheap/small devices with limited memory requirements Oct 10 10:03:05 For something like our tablets, it effectively limits the RAM size Oct 10 10:03:42 woglinde: It works on raw flash devices. So directly on the chip. Managed flash chips are not supported (e.g. thumbdrive). Oct 10 10:03:44 There's no way they're not going to use one or the other. Oct 10 10:04:07 Every other OMAP3 device uses the 128/256 PoP Oct 10 10:04:26 yes but I would rather prefer that they use 256MB SDRAM chip and a dirt-chip 1GB managed NAND Oct 10 10:04:34 Right Oct 10 10:04:38 The 256/0 PoP. . . . Oct 10 10:04:48 The latter can be head for peanuts right now and later upgraded to higher capacities as they become cheap Oct 10 10:05:00 s/head/had/ Oct 10 10:05:01 RST38h meant: The latter can be had for peanuts right now and later upgraded to higher capacities as they become cheap Oct 10 10:05:14 GeneralAntilles, done anything with your beagleboard lately? Oct 10 10:05:25 crashanddie, still haven't invested the time to recover it. Oct 10 10:05:27 Well, I guess that they will look very careful at their BOM ;) Oct 10 10:05:46 that's for sure Oct 10 10:06:11 especially if the end device is going to sell for <=$400 Oct 10 10:06:34 Why would it? Oct 10 10:06:42 N810 does Oct 10 10:06:43 I can't possibly imagine it being cheaper than the N810. Oct 10 10:06:47 Well, to start. Oct 10 10:06:48 At least more care will be taken to the multimedia part of the product. Oct 10 10:07:00 So no crappy/hissing audio out etc ;) Oct 10 10:07:05 XFade: Yea, but that, thankfully, is almost free Oct 10 10:07:38 btw, I like current audio out, it beats my poor Toshiba R100 hands down Oct 10 10:07:53 RST38h: It is pretty poor in the N810. Oct 10 10:08:04 Getting a little USB amp working would be cool. Oct 10 10:08:10 RST38h: You really don't want to use headphones and listen to good music ;) Oct 10 10:08:17 external USB soundcard could be nice Oct 10 10:10:57 X-Fade: I don't listen to good music in a generally accepted sense :) Oct 10 10:11:08 x-fade yes but the questions is how do I know that I have raw mtd stuff Oct 10 10:11:38 woglinde: Typically if you have some embedded device ;) Oct 10 10:11:39 crash: That should actually be easy to make work, although most of those have shitty audio output Oct 10 10:12:13 x-fade hahahaaaaaaa Oct 10 10:12:19 RST38h, not really, back at home I had an external sound card we used in the studio, the quality beat a lot of mid-range internal sound cards Oct 10 10:12:42 RST38h, we did pay over a grand for it, and it uses 2 USB ports Oct 10 10:12:44 woglinde: Even extranal storage cards don't qualify. Oct 10 10:12:53 External stuff doesn't have to deal with the noise hell that is a computer case. Oct 10 10:13:10 s/extranal/external/ Oct 10 10:13:11 X-Fade meant: woglinde: Even external storage cards don't qualify. Oct 10 10:14:43 crash: I mean $11 USB cards :) Oct 10 10:14:51 RST38h, :P Oct 10 10:15:02 RST38h, and what music do you listen to then? Oct 10 10:16:28 hm I will test it Oct 10 10:16:36 crash: Tom Lehrer, Decemberists, and a bunch of Russian bands you do not know about. Oct 10 10:17:03 oh, Tom Lehrer, my forbidden love Oct 10 10:17:18 * crashanddie hums "Pollution, pollution" Oct 10 10:17:31 * RST38h obviously prefers "Poisoning Pidgeons in the Park" Oct 10 10:18:00 "Who's next" is awesome, too Oct 10 10:18:04 although I had "Lobachevsky" in the infinite loop while working on the PhD thesis Oct 10 10:18:31 Who's Next is kinda outdated but it looks like it is gonna apply again Oct 10 10:19:11 GeneralAntilles: re "on the flight compression", this is what jffs2 already does btw Oct 10 10:20:17 hi! Oct 10 10:20:30 hmm, maemo 4.0 doesnt have libgc-dev but 4.1 will have, right? Oct 10 10:20:33 lardman, jffs2 does compression on an airplane? Oct 10 10:20:43 is cairo supported in pymaemo? Oct 10 10:20:46 GeneralAntilles: yeah, I thought that too when I read it :) Oct 10 10:21:02 *g* Oct 10 10:21:12 Obviously jffs2 does compression, but what they meant to say was "on-the-fly". ;) Oct 10 10:21:17 must be someone non-English who wrote it Oct 10 10:21:27 I know, jffs2 does this though Oct 10 10:21:36 And you can turn it on/off per inode. Oct 10 10:21:45 ok, that jffs2 can't do Oct 10 10:21:54 indeed, the difference page reports that. so if i want to use libgc-dev on 4.0, how would i do that? Oct 10 10:22:14 And there is something about filesystem size and ram which it limiting on jffs2? Oct 10 10:22:31 Yes Oct 10 10:22:38 it seems so Oct 10 10:22:40 It loads the whole fs structure into memory on mount. Oct 10 10:22:50 Which ends up taking forever when you start pushing the GB range. Oct 10 10:23:07 Which is really the biggest problem with jffs2 Oct 10 10:23:11 it's horrifyingly unscalable. Oct 10 10:23:15 any idea? Oct 10 10:24:17 GeneralAntilles: so sd boot has advantage of taking less time to mount, i guess? Oct 10 10:24:29 Eh, 256MB isn't all that much. Oct 10 10:24:35 But it's not compressed, so it has that advantage. Oct 10 10:25:03 If I remember correctly, Linux should allow gzipping individual executables Oct 10 10:25:33 morning Oct 10 10:25:39 ehlo, hrw Oct 10 10:27:43 hi hrw Oct 10 10:29:33 jffs2 on 512MB starts to be unusable Oct 10 10:30:20 any idea how i can get a package that is only avaialble in 4.1 running on 4.0? normal debian backporting procedure? Oct 10 10:30:39 And jffs2 doesn't have writeback support? Oct 10 10:30:39 brb - reboot to 2.6.27 Oct 10 10:39:14 hrw: do you know roughly what a bitbake world takes up in terms of disk space atm? Oct 10 10:39:23 * lardman is looking to buy a hard disk for a dev box Oct 10 10:41:47 lardman: for one machine and no rm_work used? Oct 10 10:42:01 yep, please Oct 10 10:42:08 lardman: buy 500GB one - you will have spare space Oct 10 10:42:15 ok Oct 10 10:42:19 ~lart ide Oct 10 10:42:20 * infobot whips out his power stapler and staples ide's foot to the floor Oct 10 10:42:24 lardman: I do not remember when last time I tried world build with Oe Oct 10 10:42:50 I know, i was just looking for a rough idea of space, IDE drives are expensive cf. SATA Oct 10 10:44:35 lardman: So, I ran into some trouble getting the code to actually run. Oct 10 10:44:52 derf: ah ok, what was the error? Oct 10 10:45:03 DSP configuration ... failed Oct 10 10:45:17 which came out of dsp_dld? Oct 10 10:45:17 Trying to restart dsp_dld Oct 10 10:45:25 Yeah. Oct 10 10:45:30 yep, sounds like you made a mistake in the conf file Oct 10 10:45:59 It doesn't check the modules for compliance before loading them, so that's not it Oct 10 10:46:06 did you create a .cmd file? Oct 10 10:46:22 did you rename the dummy.cmd file and place it in /lib/dsp/modules/ for example Oct 10 10:46:27 Yes, I did. Oct 10 10:46:32 (as you're not supposed to do this :)) Oct 10 10:46:45 Well, it didn't work when I didn't do that, either. Oct 10 10:46:50 dummy.cmd is just used for the compilation/linking process Oct 10 10:47:10 ok, so did you remove the cmd file path from dsp_dldavs.conf? Oct 10 10:47:26 dsp_dls_avs.conf even Oct 10 10:47:44 argh, I can't type Oct 10 10:47:48 I tried it both with and without the .cmd file. Oct 10 10:48:02 Without the file, it was also not specified in the .conf. Oct 10 10:48:09 ok Oct 10 10:48:27 I'll have a look at lunch time in ~1hr Oct 10 10:48:43 Hmm, although... Oct 10 10:49:04 I noticed the .o file was around 97k, which of course seems ridiculously large. Oct 10 10:49:18 * Stskeeps ponders if there's some no-brainer ways to speed up qemu-arm Oct 10 10:49:26 So I trimmed some of the crap out that wasn't really supposed to be compiled in. Oct 10 10:49:29 hmm, what happened in the compiler output? Did it strip the tinkernel? Oct 10 10:49:43 (kiss_fft.c and kiss_fftr.c aren't needed if you're using dsplib, which we are) Oct 10 10:50:05 When I was trying without the .cmd, it was with the 97k file. Oct 10 10:50:20 yeah, mine looks to be ~96k and I know that stripped ok Oct 10 10:50:32 Well, now it's down to ~75k. Oct 10 10:50:49 (and I can make that smaller, if need be, but it involves some work setting up static modes) Oct 10 10:51:07 I wouldn't expect the size to be an issue at dsp kernel startup time though Oct 10 10:51:39 And that appears to actually load. Oct 10 10:51:59 However, now I get: Open DSP device error:: Device or resource busy Oct 10 10:52:04 ah ok Oct 10 10:52:11 well that's interesting Oct 10 10:52:17 size issue at dsp kernel startup Oct 10 10:52:35 ok, so now what you need to do is open a separate terminal window and run "dsp_dld -p" in it Oct 10 10:52:41 I did. Oct 10 10:52:51 ok, so has it told you what the error is? Oct 10 10:53:00 No, it output absolutely nothing at all. Oct 10 10:53:06 I mean, after the initial startup messages. Oct 10 10:53:09 yeah, you have to try quite a few times Oct 10 10:53:18 sometimes it doesn't output the error for some reason Oct 10 10:53:19 ! Oct 10 10:53:30 loading /lib/dsp/modules/celttask.o. Oct 10 10:53:30 symbol __lmpysu not found Oct 10 10:53:33 indeed :) Oct 10 10:53:41 ok, so there it is Oct 10 10:54:13 I don't have the source in front of me I'm afraid Oct 10 10:55:16 It looks to be a 16.16 signed-unsigned multiply. Oct 10 10:55:30 Not sure where it's supposed to be defined, but in theory one of the TI libraries. Oct 10 10:55:37 is it something your code tries to use? Oct 10 10:55:42 Yes. Oct 10 10:55:45 right Oct 10 10:55:50 In fixed_c5x.h Oct 10 10:56:11 although many of the library files are compiled in, perhaps that one isn't Oct 10 10:56:15 So it should be coming from dsplib. Oct 10 10:56:36 is dsplib a static lib though, it probably pulls in the parts it needs Oct 10 10:56:43 and perhaps that wasn't one of the, Oct 10 10:56:46 them Oct 10 10:56:51 It was certainly needed. Oct 10 10:57:08 no, I mean in the dsp kernel, as that already has many of the libraries compiled in Oct 10 10:57:34 curious that you didn't get a linker error when you compiled though Oct 10 10:57:39 Yeah. Oct 10 10:57:53 is your machine running Diablo? Oct 10 10:57:58 No. Oct 10 10:58:02 chinook? Oct 10 10:58:05 Yes. Oct 10 10:58:18 ah, you've probably linked against the wrong dsp kernel Oct 10 10:58:29 Oh, well where do I get the right one? Oct 10 10:58:29 I HAVE A JOB :D Oct 10 10:58:33 crashanddie: Congrats. Oct 10 10:58:45 derf: /lib/dsp/avs_kernel.out Oct 10 10:58:55 crashanddie gets to be a productive member of society now! Oct 10 10:58:55 woo Oct 10 10:58:59 crashanddie: nice one, congrats Oct 10 10:59:02 crashanddie: congrats Oct 10 10:59:16 cheers everyone Oct 10 10:59:27 bbiam Oct 10 11:01:24 lardman|afk: Well, I linked against the dspgw-os2008/avs_kernel.out, which does differ from dspgw-diablo/avs_kernel.out, so I'm not sure that's it. Oct 10 11:02:30 Yeah, that's identical to the one I have on the device. Oct 10 11:07:46 re Oct 10 11:08:33 lardman|afk: if your machine lack sata controller and price of pata disks are much bigger then sata ones then consider buying sata controller... Oct 10 11:10:01 crashanddie, hearty congrats, and you must be so relieved :) Oct 10 11:10:20 * lcuk raises a glass Oct 10 11:11:53 cheers :) Oct 10 11:13:07 derf: ok, the 2008 one is probably the same for chinook + diablo Oct 10 11:13:11 the other one is for the 770 Oct 10 11:13:23 lardman: It differs from the one in dspgw-diablo Oct 10 11:13:39 hmm Oct 10 11:13:46 ok Oct 10 11:13:55 so you've linked against the right one anyway? Oct 10 11:14:02 Correct. Oct 10 11:14:27 Also, for reference lmpysu appears nowhere in /opt/ti_dsptools/ Oct 10 11:14:45 And is ungoogleable. Oct 10 11:14:50 ok, including in the dsplib? Is that in that tarball? Oct 10 11:15:06 (which is odd, because I know Google indexes CELT's git repo) Oct 10 11:15:26 lardman: Including dsplib, untarred. Oct 10 11:15:38 ok Oct 10 11:15:44 include the _ _lmpysu Oct 10 11:16:21 Google normally strips all punctuation... I guess I have no idea what they consider punctuation. Oct 10 11:16:28 But that does indeed turn up the CELT source. Oct 10 11:16:36 google is word based an_ is considered part of a word Oct 10 11:16:36 And nothing else. Oct 10 11:22:41 I wonder if that is a c64x dsplib fn; who wrote your dsp code? Oct 10 11:23:06 I don't know... some guy JM was working with. Oct 10 11:23:39 I'd be surprised if multiplies were in the dsplib rather than in the main code Oct 10 11:23:58 Whatever "the main code" is. Oct 10 11:23:59 what is MULT16_16SU supposed to do? Oct 10 11:24:10 ah, main code being the headers and asm which comes with the toolchain Oct 10 11:24:17 withouth the extra libs Oct 10 11:24:26 without needing the extra libs that is Oct 10 11:30:02 http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru376a/spru376a.pdf gives a list of intrinics, which I guess that would be Oct 10 11:30:09 p76 Oct 10 11:30:11 http://gizmodo.com/5061517/leaked-htc-t8290-has-touch-hd-resolution-wimax-sharp-corners <== photoshop? Oct 10 11:31:01 derf: what does the su on the end signify? Multiply signed and then make unsigned? Oct 10 11:31:05 or vice versa? Oct 10 11:31:17 I cannot install maemo-mapper on my N810 ... says a package is missing Oct 10 11:31:31 zetheroo-ubuntu: which package.....? Oct 10 11:31:55 lardman: Multiply a signed number by an unsigned one. Oct 10 11:31:57 There's something wrong with the one in Diablo Extras. Oct 10 11:32:07 lardman: I'll check now Oct 10 11:32:13 Two files get installed into /// Oct 10 11:32:14 So the result is still signed, but only one operand has a sign bit. Oct 10 11:32:18 That is what is wrong Oct 10 11:32:39 God knows why it worked for me though: probably didn't delete older files Oct 10 11:33:13 derf: int _smpy(int src1, int src2); Multiplies src1 and src2, and shifts the result left by 1. Produces a saturated 16-bit result. (SATD and FRCT bits set) Oct 10 11:33:29 that's all there is in the instriniscs for the c55 Oct 10 11:33:41 (and a version which handles longs) Oct 10 11:34:42 lardman: just says "Unable to install maemo-mapper" Oct 10 11:34:56 zetheroo-ubuntu: see GeneralAntilles' comment Oct 10 11:35:31 oh ... something wrong ... ok Oct 10 11:35:40 yeah .. casue now its not there anymore Oct 10 11:35:48 zetheroo-ubuntu, give it a week. Oct 10 11:36:11 ok ,,, Oct 10 11:36:21 map is saying its a triel app Oct 10 11:36:24 trial Oct 10 11:36:29 whats up with that? Oct 10 11:37:07 derf: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru198i/spru198i.pdf p49, it's a c64x intrinisc Oct 10 11:37:27 is there any other program for GPS that can be used freely in Maemo? Oct 10 11:38:14 Navit Oct 10 11:38:15 Roadmap Oct 10 11:38:16 Carman Oct 10 11:38:33 are they free-of-charge Oct 10 11:38:34 ? Oct 10 11:39:02 yes Oct 10 11:39:03 You did specify "freely" didn't you? ;) Oct 10 11:39:19 yes ... thanks Oct 10 11:39:32 woudl they all be in the repos? Oct 10 11:39:41 no, check Garage Oct 10 11:39:54 Scratch Navit and Roadmap Oct 10 11:40:01 Garage? Oct 10 11:40:07 why? ... no good? Oct 10 11:40:10 lardman: Aha. Oct 10 11:40:12 though really you maty as well grab the previous version of maemo-mapper from Garage, the others are less polished (so far) Oct 10 11:40:15 Neither really works =( Oct 10 11:40:29 derf: looks like he assumed Oct 10 11:41:06 well up until now I have been having an extremely difficult time getting the GPS going on the N810 ... Oct 10 11:41:07 I mean, supposedly the guy actually has a c55x, since he gave us performance numbers for it. Oct 10 11:41:21 takes forever to lock on and looses the lock very easily Oct 10 11:41:26 I wonder if we could talk Nokia into putting some polish on Maemo Mapper. Oct 10 11:41:42 derf: strange, perhaps he implemented the fn himself in a header and forgot to push it? Oct 10 11:42:26 derf: I'm sure you can create a wrapped pretty quickly Oct 10 11:42:27 will GPS work better with some software than with others? .. or is it just all about the hardware? Oct 10 11:42:37 GPS is the hardware Oct 10 11:42:54 and yes, it's the hardware+firmware combo which is good or bad Oct 10 11:43:11 so no matter what the software I will always battle like this to get the lock on.... sigh ... :( Oct 10 11:43:15 yes Oct 10 11:43:21 Install agps Oct 10 11:43:25 use agps-ui though to give yourself a headstart Oct 10 11:43:34 I have installed agps .... Oct 10 11:43:47 but its almost an empty app Oct 10 11:43:54 like there are not buttons Oct 10 11:44:01 you tap on the map Oct 10 11:44:05 and it handles the rest Oct 10 11:44:12 make sure you close the app before trying the gps tho Oct 10 11:44:45 lardman: There _is_ already a generic version. Oct 10 11:45:01 However JM doesn't think the SU case is handled correctly in it. Oct 10 11:45:34 close the app before trying the gps? ... Oct 10 11:45:39 I don't get it... Oct 10 11:45:42 whats the app for? Oct 10 11:46:32 lardman: However, just using that for now gets me to: Oct 10 11:46:37 symbol _cbrev32 not found Oct 10 11:46:37 link failed. Oct 10 11:46:45 And that _is_ in dsplib. Oct 10 11:47:30 so I should open agps and then close it? ... and then use map or another GPS mapping app? Oct 10 11:47:39 zetheroo-ubuntu, having a best guess pre-estimate of location so that the system doesnt have to start from scratch everytime Oct 10 11:47:52 zetheroo-ubuntu: whichever app you want to use Oct 10 11:47:58 derf: let me have a look Oct 10 11:48:33 All I did was comment out the #undef/#define pairs for MULT16_16SU and MULT_16_16 in fixed_c5x.h. Oct 10 11:48:34 lcuk: so its not something I can use to actually view GPS maps... Oct 10 11:48:46 ok Oct 10 11:49:32 no Oct 10 11:50:01 derf: looks like the dsplib is actually lots of asm, it may be that that fn is not included in the dsp_kernel, so just stick it in the list of sources and see what happends Oct 10 11:50:18 Stick what in the list of sources? Oct 10 11:50:28 cbrev32.asm Oct 10 11:50:50 any idea how i can get a package that is only avaialble in 4.1 running on 4.0? normal debian backporting procedure? Oct 10 11:53:37 xorAxAx, yes Oct 10 11:54:23 1)grab source Oct 10 11:54:26 2)change refs Oct 10 11:54:33 3) ??? Oct 10 11:54:36 ok :) Oct 10 11:54:38 4) hopefully profit Oct 10 11:55:32 lardman: It appears none of the FFT functions are linked in. Oct 10 11:55:53 Manually adding .asm files seems like the wrong way to do this. This is what we have linkers _for_. Oct 10 11:56:54 well the library comes uncompiled from the looks of it Oct 10 11:57:13 oh no, I tell a lie Oct 10 11:57:30 what happened when you did try to link against the .lib? Oct 10 11:58:03 I seem to remember seeing some "already defined" style warnings Oct 10 11:58:40 No, target mismatch warnings. Oct 10 11:58:44 Well, errors. Oct 10 12:00:00 you need to link against the 55xdspx.lib file Oct 10 12:00:10 not the other one (without the x) Oct 10 12:01:10 Aha! (why are there two if one of them is wrong?) Oct 10 12:01:21 large and small memory models Oct 10 12:01:33 and there are other models for which you'd need to recompile yourself Oct 10 12:02:07 Still getting _cfft32_SCALE not found. Oct 10 12:02:52 case? Oct 10 12:02:57 And now my DSP appears to be hosed. Oct 10 12:03:25 oh no, seems that SCALE is correct Oct 10 12:03:29 But hey, at least I was able to reload several times before having to pull the battery to restart it this time. Oct 10 12:03:44 ah yes, DSP crashing is usual, it's unstable Oct 10 12:03:53 try "dspctl reset" instead Oct 10 12:04:05 Oh, it already rebooted the device for me. Oct 10 12:04:14 Which is, like, convenience itself. Oct 10 12:04:20 ah, if dsp_dld stays down too long you get that Oct 10 12:04:25 you have to be quick on the draw ;) Oct 10 12:06:01 I also thing diablo is a bit slower to reset, but perhaps I've just become faster Oct 10 12:09:52 Okay, working through some more things... Oct 10 12:09:58 ok Oct 10 12:10:01 It looks like it links now. Oct 10 12:10:08 section .fftcode: could not find directive. placing it to default memory (DARAM). Oct 10 12:10:08 section .fftcode: size = 0x0001ba, align = 0x1 ... no space left in DARAM! Oct 10 12:10:08 section .fftcode: failed to place! Oct 10 12:10:18 will you push the changes somewhere? I'll have quite a backlog to get up-to-date Oct 10 12:10:31 Yeah, at some point. Oct 10 12:10:33 ok, looks like you need a linker cmd file after all Oct 10 12:10:47 grep .fftcode and see what the #PRAGMA says Oct 10 12:11:03 actually you don;t even need to do that Oct 10 12:11:22 It's from the dsplib asm, no pragma. Oct 10 12:11:23 might be worth knowing how large the data to be placed in that section are though Oct 10 12:11:32 size = 0x0001ba, Oct 10 12:11:43 doh Oct 10 12:12:05 hang on, I'll write you a cmd file Oct 10 12:13:07 lardman: Your not going to the ELC in Ede at the beginning of November are you? Oct 10 12:13:31 JamieBennett: not that I know of, how much does it cost? Oct 10 12:13:44 80 euro for independants Oct 10 12:13:57 £100 for the flight Oct 10 12:14:20 cash is a bit tight atm, paying for wedding Oct 10 12:14:31 I wonder how they decide are you pro or ind Oct 10 12:14:38 so probably not I'm afraid Oct 10 12:14:47 your own wedding? Oct 10 12:14:52 hrw: If you affiliated with a company I suppose Oct 10 12:14:52 lardman: you are marrying? Oct 10 12:15:04 JamieBennett: I have own one-person company Oct 10 12:15:14 and worked for CELF in past Oct 10 12:15:19 as company Oct 10 12:15:26 hrw: Is it embedded linux based? Oct 10 12:15:44 derf: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/CELT/ Oct 10 12:15:46 JamieBennett: openembedded/poky consulting is embedded linux Oct 10 12:15:50 So far, positive responses on Pidgin, gnokii, stardict, and all of fiferboy's stuff. Oct 10 12:16:08 make that http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/CELT/dsp/ Oct 10 12:16:29 hrw: Then I suppose you _should_ pay the full whack but if your not going to be recognised then ... Oct 10 12:16:33 And replace dummy.cmd with that in the Makefile, I assume? Oct 10 12:16:34 derf: you might want to chance the alignment eventually to produce faster code, I'm not sure Oct 10 12:16:42 no, no need to do any recompiling now Oct 10 12:16:56 General: Fiferboy's on-screen icon dock does not work properly Oct 10 12:17:02 just stick that on the device in ../modules/ and give the path in dsp_dld_avs.conf Oct 10 12:17:06 RST38h, it's still beta. Oct 10 12:17:12 Config crashes and the dock itself crashes as well Oct 10 12:17:32 s/..modules//lib/dsp/modules/ Oct 10 12:17:35 Yea, I know... Just wouldn't recommend it to people at the moment Oct 10 12:17:52 Well, it is in Extras-devel. :P Oct 10 12:18:06 hrw: If you decide to go then drop me a mail, we can meet up for a beer Oct 10 12:18:23 section .twiddle32: size = 0x002000, align = 0x4 ... no space left in DARAM! Oct 10 12:18:23 section .twiddle32: failed to place! Oct 10 12:18:41 Can that also go in EXTMEM2? Oct 10 12:19:37 derf: yep, anywhere you want it to go Oct 10 12:20:00 just stick in another line in the SECTIONS {} list Oct 10 12:20:20 it might be worth moving them all to SARAM in truth, but let's get it running first hey Oct 10 12:21:53 General: It is in Extras too Oct 10 12:22:10 General: Just doesn't work well (causing me some discomfort :)) Oct 10 12:22:45 It is, isn't it. Oct 10 12:22:46 Hmm Oct 10 12:23:19 Woohoo! adding _task_testcelt(@15711c) into system. Oct 10 12:23:22 Segmentation fault Oct 10 12:23:40 derf: just fyi a list of the previously declared MEMORY and SECTIONS can be found in /lib/dsp/avs_kernelcfg.cmd Oct 10 12:23:41 And that's all the time I have to work on this today. Oct 10 12:23:50 derf: segfault, nice Oct 10 12:24:01 The segfault is from the ARM side testcelt. Oct 10 12:24:05 well do upload the changes and I'll take a look at it too Oct 10 12:24:06 So maybe not that bad. Oct 10 12:24:10 ah ok, not so bad then Oct 10 12:24:17 easier to debug anyway :) Oct 10 12:26:59 http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/celt/dsp/ Oct 10 12:27:28 cool :) Oct 10 12:27:38 I moved your testcelt.c to celttask.c so I wouldn't have to worry about overwriting it when copying source around. Oct 10 12:27:45 ok Oct 10 12:28:01 you wanted to split it into 2 separate tasks? encode + decode? Oct 10 12:28:04 I think you also had a bksnd where you meant to have a bkreq. Oct 10 12:28:22 lardman: Or make one task that does multiple operations. Oct 10 12:28:22 quite possible Oct 10 12:28:33 Usually if you're doing one, you want both anyway. Oct 10 12:28:39 right Oct 10 12:28:40 Just not at the same time. Oct 10 12:28:44 :) Oct 10 12:29:10 Anyway, I can write that code once I figure out how to get things to actually run. Oct 10 12:29:30 Writing code is the easy part. Oct 10 12:29:35 ok, np Oct 10 13:02:05 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/10/justice_dept_microwave_rifle/ Oct 10 13:02:08 hehe Oct 10 13:09:54 hey...can anybody told me why i get a "permission denied" by executing "./blabal.bin".....the file has "x":):( Oct 10 13:10:04 on the mmc card? Oct 10 13:10:36 ähm yes?) Oct 10 13:10:47 not allowed to execute anything on them Oct 10 13:10:50 mount option Oct 10 13:10:55 oh.....ok....:) Oct 10 13:11:11 thanks:) Oct 10 13:11:16 np Oct 10 13:12:14 the padawan had a lot to learn... Oct 10 13:14:46 Maybe it is a windows executable too? =) Oct 10 13:15:19 oh now i get diff: not found.....---: not found.....+++:not found....@@:not found....syntax error:word unexpected(expecting")").... Oct 10 13:26:56 you get it by typing random stuff into the console Oct 10 13:27:17 It may be easier for us all if you just tell what exactly you want to achieve Oct 10 13:28:07 ok sry:) Oct 10 13:28:07 i try to execute the attachment-001.bin ...the driver-patch to get wpa_supplicant work Oct 10 13:29:09 Who told you to execute it? Where did you get it from? Oct 10 13:29:53 a link in a forum on ITT :https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html Oct 10 13:30:06 ok, reading... Oct 10 13:30:55 Ok. The attachment-001.bin is really a source code patch. Oct 10 13:31:29 You are supposed to apply this patch to the cx3110x driver SOURCE CODE and then compile and use the patched driver. Oct 10 13:31:51 You cannot execute the patch> even although it has .bin extension, it is just a piece of text. Oct 10 13:32:01 Am I being clear enough? Oct 10 13:32:05 oh ok... Oct 10 13:32:07 yes sure Oct 10 13:32:30 Good. Oct 10 13:33:57 but...sry im tired right now from university.....what i have to do now?....find the orig driverfile an override the source and compile?:( Oct 10 13:34:42 You should not worry about this stuff Oct 10 13:34:57 You should also ask the original patch provider to post the patched and compiled driver Oct 10 13:35:05 s/ask/plead/ Oct 10 13:35:06 RST38h meant: You should also plead the original patch provider to post the patched and compiled driver Oct 10 13:35:56 mh ok i ask:) thanks you Oct 10 13:35:58 -s Oct 10 13:41:59 anybody experience strange gconf behaviour since diablo ? Oct 10 13:42:08 i cannot destroy old key in scratchbox Oct 10 13:42:22 no error message, but no change. works with new keys Oct 10 14:08:04 there is definitevly something completly weird with the way gconftool-2 manage gconf entry in diablo Oct 10 14:08:20 it just "does not work" nor on scractchbox, nor on the tablet Oct 10 14:08:40 the keys appears as present even if they are not there anymore. changes occurs after a reboot. Oct 10 14:08:53 that is, as far as app are concerned, the goncftool still show them as present Oct 10 14:08:57 * melmoth is puzzled Oct 10 14:21:23 where can i find the startup-picture and the sound? Oct 10 14:24:54 ok i found the png but not yet the sound-file Oct 10 14:50:18 7999! 7999! Oct 10 14:52:51 Zombies yet? Oct 10 14:53:16 General: Dunno, I only see bears with vodka bottls Oct 10 14:53:35 we need a big dow home screen applet. rejoice! Oct 10 14:54:00 jott: With Wall Street webcam watching the pavement Oct 10 14:55:18 X-Fade, ping. Oct 10 14:55:20 GeneralAntilles, I got your email. I can try but I may have to get X-Fade to sort out my SSH keys for me Oct 10 14:55:33 Hehe Oct 10 14:55:43 How familiar Oct 10 14:55:52 I realised my keys were on there *after* I formatted my Linux partition :P Oct 10 14:55:58 Do those SSH keys will *ever* work from the first attempt? =) Oct 10 14:56:12 Oh, you need another invite... Oct 10 14:57:27 *sigh*, I'll reboot into Linux and generate another pair and bug X-Fade :P Oct 10 15:01:29 Iceland is for sale -- on eBay. It has great scenery and wildlife but the financial situation is in need of repair and a buyer must collect in person. Bidding started at 99 pence but had reached 10 million pounds ($17.28 million) by mid-morning on Friday. Oct 10 15:02:07 Globally renowned singer Bjork was “not included” in the sale, according to the notice, but there were nonetheless 26 anonymous bidders and 84 bids. “Located in the mid-Atlantic ridge in the North Atlantic Ocean, Iceland will provide the winning bidder with — a habitable environment, Icelandic Horses and admittedly a somewhat sketchy financial situation,” the notice reads. Oct 10 15:02:08 crash: There are rumors that .RU gov is buying it for $4b in loans Oct 10 15:02:35 Too many offshores there, can't allow it to fail Oct 10 15:02:40 Bidders’ questions included: “Do you offer volcano/earthquake insurance?”, “Is it possible that my payment will be frozen?”, “Is this the tip of the iceberg?” and “Will you accept C.O.D. as a form of payment?” Oct 10 15:03:12 ls Oct 10 15:03:25 GeneralAntilles: pong Oct 10 15:03:30 anyway, I'm off, gotta celebrate :) Oct 10 15:03:41 take care people, see you next week, or sumthin Oct 10 15:04:46 Oh yeah, did qole's chroot mess get fixed? Oct 10 15:04:47 X-Fade, broken links on Downloads: http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3798 Oct 10 15:05:02 GeneralAntilles: SDK Oct 10 15:06:07 Bora and Gregale under the OS & SDK section on the right column are broken Oct 10 15:06:25 Yes, that is a SDK issue. Or the documentation team. Oct 10 15:06:31 I didn't break those links :) Oct 10 15:06:42 Oh Oct 10 15:07:15 They export this documentation from an external system. So I guess something broke there or they reorganized? Oct 10 15:07:39 I can fix the links to point at a new location of course. Oct 10 15:08:18 fiferboy pushed some categorization fixes Oct 10 15:08:29 Soooo slooooow Oct 10 15:08:56 Personal Menu will have a better category too. Oct 10 15:09:35 Ah yeah, that is fiferboy :) Oct 10 15:09:51 I mailed with him. Oct 10 15:13:02 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_3-x_bora/ http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_2-2-gregale/ Oct 10 15:13:05 That's what they should point to. Oct 10 15:13:53 WTF, http://slexy.org/view/s2hVz0pmlP Oct 10 15:15:25 qwerty12: export DEBFULLNAME="xxx" && export DEBEMAIL="xxx@yyy.zz" Oct 10 15:16:26 Thank you jott, but I'm still getting the "+3: No such file or directory" :( Oct 10 15:16:33 I'll try reexporting EDITOR Oct 10 15:16:47 Yep, that worked :) Oct 10 15:16:51 :) Oct 10 15:18:17 hi, what's wrong with maemo.org, i am trying to connect but i got xml parser error :/ Oct 10 15:21:05 ~upload-extras Oct 10 15:21:06 i heard upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Oct 10 15:22:39 X-Fade: I lost my old SSH key, is it possible to just change the ssh key that is on the Account Maintenance page, or should I request another invite? Oct 10 15:32:27 qwerty12: Just replace it on that account page. Oct 10 15:33:28 X-Fade: Is recreating an PGP key necessary? If so, I can't see an option to put that on the same page. I lost that too due to reformatting. Oct 10 15:33:41 No, not if you still have it ;) Oct 10 15:33:57 It you lost it, I do need to send you a new invitation. Oct 10 15:34:18 Yeah, I'll need to do that. I'm on the page right now :) Oct 10 15:34:21 qwerty12: Mail is on it's way ;) Oct 10 15:34:31 Ah, ok, thanks! Oct 10 15:34:52 Got it, thank you! Oct 10 15:35:06 I want to reupload by today :) Oct 10 15:36:15 I'm also thinking about removing the shell spawning feature of rootsh Oct 10 15:36:33 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-10-08.log.html Oct 10 15:36:45 qwerty12: happy birthday! Oct 10 15:36:49 It doesn't set environment variables properly. I'll replace it with a printf telling the person to use root Oct 10 15:36:53 Stskeeps: Thanks! :) Oct 10 15:37:34 #3798 -> Fixed Oct 10 15:38:03 Hmm it would be cool if a bot could announce that ;) Oct 10 15:38:54 X-Fade, what, bug closings? Oct 10 15:39:21 GeneralAntilles: Sure. Oct 10 15:39:28 X-Fade, jott's mostly there. Oct 10 15:39:40 go jott! Oct 10 15:40:02 Either give him some incentive to finish it or some disincentive towards procrastinating further. ;) Oct 10 15:40:22 Stskeeps: you really need to remember that IRC is publically logged: "qole really needs to learn how to present though" Oct 10 15:41:10 Oops ;) Oct 10 15:41:50 qwerty12: drinking age yet? Oct 10 15:41:55 X-Fade: In all those mode settings, you forgot to set +u ;) Oct 10 15:41:56 Ok, there is his incentive ;) Oct 10 15:42:01 qole: 2 years yet :p Oct 10 15:42:21 qwerty12: Dirty mind ;) Oct 10 15:42:29 True :P Oct 10 15:44:02 bbl Oct 10 15:45:21 qwerty12: no hurry, you'll spend the rest of your life wishing you were a teen again... Oct 10 15:46:30 qole: Sounds good... :) Oct 10 15:48:07 In my defence, I did my summit presentation on a new tablet that I had been given 20 mins before... Oct 10 15:48:53 I was the only one to try video out from the tablet... Oct 10 15:49:13 Now Stskeeps really has to blow us away with his presentation during the next summit. ;) Oct 10 15:50:02 And definitely the only one to use the app that I used on the tablet to present... Oct 10 15:50:54 but that was my punchline, so i won't say what I used. Oct 10 15:52:09 ... I broke extras-devel last night. Thankfully I fixed my package, so it's ok now. Oct 10 15:53:15 turns out you can't have a blank 'Depends:' line (blush) Oct 10 15:56:47 qole: yup, but an honest observation - it got better as it progressed, and my initial presentations were similar Oct 10 15:57:39 cos all ones nervousity causes one to act in strange ways Oct 10 15:58:13 but good use of surprise in the end Oct 10 15:58:35 Hi Oct 10 15:58:38 GeneralAntilles: Oct 10 15:58:40 Ping? Oct 10 15:58:42 pong Oct 10 15:59:07 Did you nituce that Bluetooth_PAN and Bluetooth_networking are essentially the same subject? Oct 10 16:00:14 Yeah, PAN I mostly created new. Oct 10 16:00:26 Didn't have the energy to go through networking and see if there was anything useful. Oct 10 16:00:48 Somebody with more Bluetooth experience than myself really needs to look at it. Oct 10 16:01:35 I'd just drop it Oct 10 16:01:48 The networking article was mostly reviewed after the wiki migration IIRC Oct 10 16:02:06 That nituce was supposed to be a notice Oct 10 16:02:41 I can't see where this article came from: http://wiki.maemo.org/Compiling_the_kernel Oct 10 16:03:14 n770_defconfig? Oct 10 16:05:07 The [[Category:Midgard wiki]] is useful Oct 10 16:13:31 GeneralAntilles: Any objection to me removing Bluetooth_PAN as a duplicate? Oct 10 16:14:51 Um, this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_networking in preference to it? Oct 10 16:14:56 Yes, I object. Oct 10 16:15:09 The Bluetooth networking article is basically irrelevant to OS2008 Oct 10 16:15:39 I mean, look at it. Oct 10 16:16:02 Bluetooth_PAN is short, sweet, and accurate. Oct 10 16:22:05 lo cyrus Oct 10 16:24:07 hi Oct 10 16:24:45 Stskeeps - are you the one on internettablettalk that got debian to work on the n8x0? Oct 10 16:27:12 cyrus__: well johnx started with a friendly dist originally and we worked together making a proper dist Oct 10 16:28:17 col Oct 10 16:28:21 cool Oct 10 16:29:30 Stskeeps - do you know of a way - on the n810 - to replace the hildon desktop with something like xfce or lxde (like you did in deblet)? Oct 10 16:30:20 people have done kde Oct 10 16:30:42 on the n810? Oct 10 16:30:51 yeah, in maemo Oct 10 16:31:18 but its more trouble than what its worth often Oct 10 16:31:36 we try to do a proper alternative os Oct 10 16:32:16 I don't know how anybody can use KDE on the tablets. Oct 10 16:33:12 ya..i am looking to stick with maemo (do to the applications available for it) but really do't like the hildon desktop Oct 10 16:33:37 GeneralAntilles: i'm starting to see the appeal of deblet+hildon though Oct 10 16:36:35 cyrus__, i hope to be able to port maemo extras apps quite straight to deblet eventually though Oct 10 16:36:55 k Oct 10 16:37:37 but xfce on maemo might give similar issues though Oct 10 16:41:37 cyrus__, what apps do you miss on deblet? Oct 10 16:49:37 hey guys Oct 10 16:50:42 anyone aroudn Oct 10 16:51:34 I'm not Oct 10 16:57:01 i installed something called switchboard on my n810 Oct 10 16:57:10 then rebooted and now the device keeps rebooting constantly Oct 10 16:57:17 anyone had this problem? Oct 10 17:05:23 GeneralAntilles: I've uploaded a new version of rootsh including the change from user/accessories to user/tools. As I've made a few other changes, I'll leave it in extras-devel (both chinook and diablo) until someone can verify 1.4 works fine. I'd happily test but this charger f***ed up after 2 hours of usage >.< Oct 10 17:05:35 Ha Oct 10 17:05:39 Order 3 or 4 this time. :P Oct 10 17:06:17 I really should do... :P. It can be my own present :P Oct 10 17:06:21 qwerty12, did i see somewhere its your birthday Oct 10 17:06:30 lcuk: yep :) Oct 10 17:06:35 ahhh yes, happy birthday :) Oct 10 17:06:43 Thanks lcuk :) Oct 10 17:06:59 now why are you faffing on here and not gettin drunk (on lemonade) Oct 10 17:07:41 I'm more of a coca cola guy :P Oct 10 17:07:59 heh Oct 10 17:08:16 did anyone think to wrap you up a multipack of chargers? Oct 10 17:08:42 infact, nokia should find you a fuelcell batterypack Oct 10 17:09:07 you can have a reason to but alcohol then :D Oct 10 17:09:32 Honestly, I thought this one would be it. I was using it normally and the tablet shutdown while "charging". Now the N800 starts up when I put it in but shuts off in a few seconds. Putting in my brother's charger works >.< Oct 10 17:09:33 Lol :D Oct 10 17:09:55 I don't know what sort of magic touch I have with Nokia chargers... Oct 10 17:10:09 Probably because I'm more of a Sony Ericsson fan Oct 10 17:13:11 nothing a sharpie cannot solve Oct 10 17:30:32 We need a special holiday to honour the countless kind souls with unsecured networks named 'linksys'. Oct 10 17:30:55 And "NETGEAR" =) Oct 10 17:31:31 and Belkin54g Oct 10 17:31:47 Though I remember being connected to a kind souls belkin 54g when I was up north in Halifax Oct 10 17:31:48 yep Oct 10 17:41:42 anyone know the package that provides the e2fsprogs? Oct 10 17:54:31 hrm. time to sell the n800 and get another toy Oct 10 17:55:02 OK? Oct 10 17:56:20 koyote, why is that? Oct 10 17:56:34 huhs Oct 10 17:56:39 ok guys anyone help with a reboot loop? Oct 10 17:56:50 reflash? Oct 10 17:56:51 well, i want to get an 810, in a bit Oct 10 17:57:17 anyway Oct 10 17:57:18 crashanddie: cant manage to get into usb mode Oct 10 17:57:21 I'm out Oct 10 17:57:34 i like the 800, it's great and all, and I've done the bt keyboard thing Oct 10 17:57:46 but for my personal needs as they stand now i need an 810 Oct 10 17:58:01 and GeneralAntilles be happy, I'll be the one participating in your pension, old man Oct 10 17:58:17 Hmm? Oct 10 17:58:34 GeneralAntilles, you said earlier I'd finally contribute to society in a productive way Oct 10 17:58:41 Oh Oct 10 17:58:41 Ha Oct 10 17:58:51 I still don't know why Oct 10 17:58:52 i guess the question is do i craigslist it or not? Oct 10 17:59:03 I can't shake the idea of you being like, a wise old guy, 50 something Oct 10 17:59:05 koyote, how much for? Oct 10 17:59:16 who's 50? Oct 10 17:59:25 GeneralAntilles Oct 10 17:59:33 In my perverted mind only, that is Oct 10 17:59:37 * moontiger gogs Oct 10 17:59:40 But IRL he's like 22 Oct 10 17:59:44 or 21 Oct 10 17:59:56 21 on Monday Oct 10 18:00:02 Oh Oct 10 18:00:04 nice Oct 10 18:00:18 My sage wisdom is just too overwhelming, crashanddie? :P ;) Oct 10 18:00:18 I'll have to recover your cell phone number from the logs and wish you happy birthday then Oct 10 18:00:30 GeneralAntilles, well, that's exactly it Oct 10 18:00:40 anyway Oct 10 18:00:44 Sadly I'm having dental surgery on my birthday. :( Oct 10 18:00:45 I'm off to get very very drunk Oct 10 18:01:33 cheers everyone Oct 10 18:01:38 and why the fuck is jott vop? Oct 10 18:02:18 "incentive" Oct 10 18:02:21 according to X-Fade Oct 10 18:02:25 But I'm not sure what the angle is. Oct 10 18:03:35 moontiger: on CL, going rate, i figure on here I'd go a bit less. Oct 10 18:04:43 X-Fade, ping. Oct 10 18:05:53 moontiger: are you looking? Oct 10 18:10:28 how to end turn in freeciv Oct 10 18:25:21 GeneralAntilles, have you seen jussi's latest email Oct 10 18:25:52 About the t-shirts? Oct 10 18:26:32 yeah :'( we want booth babes instead Oct 10 18:26:37 hey hey Oct 10 18:26:42 Ha Oct 10 18:26:42 hi dave Oct 10 18:26:51 I'm a fan of smaller t-shirts in general Oct 10 18:27:01 I like the tight look Oct 10 18:27:05 My maemo shirt is way too big. Oct 10 18:27:07 And they're always too big Oct 10 18:27:19 GeneralAntilles: I got me an L and an M Oct 10 18:27:20 wear multiple shirts then Oct 10 18:27:42 so what does lcuk stand for? Oct 10 18:27:45 XL Oct 10 18:27:52 LiquidCooledUK! Oct 10 18:27:58 it was temporary, but my slashdot nick is liquidcoooled Oct 10 18:28:04 3 o's gen :P Oct 10 18:28:15 I normally wear M with an undershirt Oct 10 18:28:19 Oh? Didn't ever notice that. Oct 10 18:28:22 Looking into council permissions Oct 10 18:28:30 But I don't understand how it works Oct 10 18:28:42 how to end turn in freeciv Oct 10 18:28:43 GeneralAntilles, the guy at liquidcooled@hotmail mustv thought the same for years Oct 10 18:29:05 * lcuk is happy with liquid@gmail for now :) Oct 10 18:29:08 dneary, I think the group is pulled from the Garage project page Oct 10 18:29:15 seems like anybody with admin should be able to edit it, though. Oct 10 18:29:19 and Tim should have admin. Oct 10 18:29:31 GeneralAntilles: were you the only one in the group before? Oct 10 18:29:39 I created it. Oct 10 18:29:49 Maybe X-Fade pulled the list before I added everybody else? Oct 10 18:30:33 * lcuk ponders a final test before pushing to extras Oct 10 18:33:08 GeneralAntilles: Can you check that you can blog? Oct 10 18:33:30 I'm looking at the permissions, and it looks like Niels is the only writer right now Oct 10 18:36:10 Create article seems to work. Oct 10 18:39:42 I obviously don't understand how it's set up, so I'll leave it to Niels to fix if there's fixing needed Oct 10 18:39:58 You're right, that the group is imported direct from Garage Oct 10 18:40:37 koyote sorry for the delay ... im working ... im kinda interested but i have an n810 ... was thinking for a friend but its not important right now Oct 10 18:43:11 I really like thp's idea for the search. Oct 10 18:43:39 ok isnt there anyone able to help resolve this fucking reboot loop issue?! Oct 10 18:43:57 korgoth, there are a lot of causes for reboot loops. Oct 10 18:44:08 Do you have bootmenu installed? Oct 10 18:44:14 no i dont Oct 10 18:44:21 Do you have sshd and wifi autoconnect enabled? Oct 10 18:44:45 nope Oct 10 18:45:30 Then your options are pretty much limited to getting an initfs image with usbnet and telnet/ssh and flashing it, then getting a console over usb. Oct 10 18:45:33 i dont care if i had to reflash it - i just cant manage to to that either Oct 10 18:45:51 ~flashing Oct 10 18:45:52 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 10 18:47:46 GeneralAntilles: i cant manage to get into reflash mode under windows Oct 10 18:47:55 Turn it off Oct 10 18:47:57 i hold the switch button and turn on the device Oct 10 18:48:00 plug in the usb cable Oct 10 18:48:09 then when i see the usb icon i release the switch button and nothing happens Oct 10 18:48:28 Does the USB icon stay there? Oct 10 18:48:36 nope Oct 10 18:48:39 it disapears Oct 10 18:48:53 You have the usb cable plugged directly into the computer? Oct 10 18:49:04 yes Oct 10 18:49:36 It's not plugged into power, right? Oct 10 18:49:47 tried both plugged and unplugged Oct 10 18:49:51 same result Oct 10 18:49:59 Leave it unplugged Oct 10 18:50:02 Try a different USB port? Oct 10 18:50:06 tried Oct 10 18:50:15 tried a different pc too Oct 10 18:50:46 It'll wait until the battery runs out in flashing mode if you hold down the swap button while powering up Oct 10 18:50:54 The only time it wont is if USB isn't connected Oct 10 18:51:04 Might be the cable Oct 10 18:51:25 Does the computer see the tablet at all? Oct 10 18:52:04 yes it does, but then the blue progress bar gets to abour 80% the blue led flashes and then the device reboots, and the computers says "n810 disconneceted" Oct 10 18:52:53 Are you sure you're holding down the swap button? Oct 10 18:53:12 Two overlapping rectangles on left front face Oct 10 18:53:16 topmost of the two buttons there. Oct 10 18:53:18 yes Oct 10 18:54:10 Try this, make sure it's off and unplugged from both USB and power Oct 10 18:54:16 remove the battery for a few seconds Oct 10 18:54:19 replace the battery Oct 10 18:54:23 plug in the USB cable Oct 10 18:54:26 hold down the swap button Oct 10 18:54:35 then turn it on while holding down swap Oct 10 18:56:51 when i release the swap button the usb icon just disappears Oct 10 18:57:48 Did you start the flasher Windows-side? Oct 10 18:58:10 yeh Oct 10 18:58:12 trying again Oct 10 18:58:15 for 1238120312 time :) Oct 10 18:58:42 i do have to release the swap button when i see usb icon, right? Oct 10 18:59:23 You should be able to. Oct 10 18:59:26 I don't know that you have to. Oct 10 19:00:44 iot rebooted so many times that im wopndering how isnt the battery dead yet,.. Oct 10 19:00:47 at least 50 reboots Oct 10 19:01:00 ouch Oct 10 19:01:42 ill turn it off Oct 10 19:01:51 and charge it for a few hrs Oct 10 19:01:55 then will try again :-( Oct 10 19:20:49 hi Oct 10 19:21:13 new to maemo+ Oct 10 19:23:10 hiya disco_stu Oct 10 19:23:46 is there any chatting about IT's here ? Oct 10 19:24:00 plenty Oct 10 19:24:01 :P Oct 10 19:24:09 this is one of the places we make things happen ;) Oct 10 19:24:18 GeneralAntilles: I'll try to find out why the other members can't blog, later this weekend. (I hope.. busy weekend) Oct 10 19:24:32 good to know Oct 10 19:24:52 i own an n800 Oct 10 19:24:58 a* Oct 10 19:25:19 X-Fade, shouldn't admins have access anyway? Oct 10 19:25:50 GeneralAntilles: Well, you are webeditor too. Oct 10 19:25:58 GeneralAntilles: So that is why you can do that. Oct 10 19:26:18 GeneralAntilles: The others should get rights based on the group they are in. Oct 10 19:26:30 GeneralAntilles: Which should work.. :) Oct 10 19:26:42 Hehe Oct 10 19:26:49 Comments aren't actually working, either. Oct 10 19:27:30 any news about the extras-devel breakage? Oct 10 19:27:35 is there anyone that could send sms with the IT through his symbian phone ? Oct 10 19:27:39 mgedmin: I didn't touch it. Oct 10 19:27:49 mgedmin: But Marcell was going to look at it. Oct 10 19:27:53 It's refreshing fine here, mgedmin. Oct 10 19:27:54 oh, I should've checked my mail Oct 10 19:28:01 mgedmin: So maybe he did something ;) Oct 10 19:28:26 the autobuilder needs a 'retry, it wasn't my fault!' button Oct 10 19:29:09 dneary: Why are you editing the community council folder? :) Oct 10 19:29:33 dneary: Don't hide, I can see you.. Oct 10 19:29:41 Sabateur! Oct 10 19:30:10 It is locked ;) Oct 10 19:30:15 moontiger: i'm in and out a bit, but i queried Oct 10 19:32:02 GeneralAntilles: Ah, they only had read ;) Oct 10 19:32:12 GeneralAntilles: I guess that is not enough :D Oct 10 19:32:18 X-Fade: I wasn't editing it Oct 10 19:32:29 Just looking at the user access rights Oct 10 19:32:34 Which seemed funny Oct 10 19:32:50 I was trying to fix the problem that no-one other than GA could blog Oct 10 19:33:07 Yeah, it locks it. That is why I saw you were active :) Oct 10 19:33:11 "Fix" . . . sure, sure. :P Oct 10 19:33:36 I refer the honourable gentleman to the statement I gave some moments ago: Oct 10 19:33:41 I obviously don't understand how it's set up, so I'll leave it to Niels to fix if there's fixing needed Oct 10 19:34:10 No, when in doubt ask: His Lordship and Imperial Highness Emperor Field Marshal Antilles Oct 10 19:35:16 m'kay Oct 10 19:35:51 I just edited the permissions and added create and update. Let's see if that helps ;) Oct 10 19:36:06 Then I'll proceed to incessantly nag the person who actually knows. Oct 10 19:36:15 As I'm sure X-Fade can attest. ;) Oct 10 19:36:31 /ignore GeneralAntilles Oct 10 19:36:34 Oh, shit ;) Oct 10 19:36:50 You were not supposed to see that.. Oct 10 19:36:53 * GeneralAntilles fires off a barrage of emails. Oct 10 19:37:22 Click, click, mail rule, /dev/null.. ah finally weekend ;) Oct 10 19:37:43 * GeneralAntilles starts filing blocker/high bugs. Oct 10 19:37:58 Pff there is alway Monday.. Oct 10 19:38:23 Hmm it doesn't want to save these permissions. Oct 10 19:38:26 Weird. Oct 10 19:51:25 General: Are there any blocker bugs at the moment? Oct 10 19:52:44 For maemo.org or Maemo Software? Oct 10 19:53:29 Either way, no, there aren't any open blockers. Oct 10 19:54:21 maemo.org seems to be a big blocker by itself nowadays Oct 10 19:54:32 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_file_loc=&bug_severity=blocker Oct 10 19:54:38 aha Oct 10 19:55:07 I wish there were a bugzilla search URL sanitizer Oct 10 19:55:36 some really scary bugs there: RTCOM-beta-os2 2.1-15 causes endless reboots cycle Oct 10 19:56:12 Eh, it's not in the shipping firmware Oct 10 19:56:22 People should be aware of the risks of installing testing software. Oct 10 19:57:48 yes, they should be aware, but a major clanger like that can ruin someones day and really gives a negative impression Oct 10 19:58:21 Whatever Oct 10 19:58:26 It's long since fixed. Oct 10 19:58:47 then all is good Oct 10 20:05:51 -os2? :P Oct 10 20:06:23 os/2 Oct 10 20:47:58 aloha! Oct 10 21:14:57 hi Oct 10 21:31:56 know anybody if exist any GO game app that runs in diablo? Oct 10 21:37:55 guillermo gnugo should be easy to compile Oct 10 21:38:01 and run in terminal Oct 10 21:45:40 thanks woglinde Oct 10 23:09:08 anyone knows the MSRP of the N810 WiMAX? Oct 10 23:17:37 mean sample repeat process... no, my bacronym-generator is unable to cope with MSRP Oct 11 00:31:23 perfect! if the screen is busy scrolling then no sketches are loaded and the list remains where it is upto. as soon as scrolling stops it loads items in bunches of 5 Oct 11 00:31:38 heh, wrong chan Oct 11 00:32:25 hrm Oct 11 00:32:40 lol koyote :) it was meant for elsewhere Oct 11 00:32:49 i imagine Oct 11 02:14:06 hm Oct 11 02:14:21 could someone finally fix xournal in diablo extras/extras-devel? Oct 11 02:14:39 the version in there doesn't have any working tools and is missing many options (as compared to chinook one) Oct 11 02:14:47 and crashes too :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 11 02:59:57 2008