**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 16 02:59:58 2008
Oct 16 03:24:35 <cyrus___> This may be a more complicated answer then what I am expecting but if someone has a chance, can they look at http://pastebin.com/m2c130674. My question is, this code compiles just fine on my Gentoo system but not within scratchbox. It is complaining about _gtk_image_set_from_file_scaled which is defined in the file misc.c (not on some external library). So why would it compile just fine on Gentoo but not maemo
Oct 16 03:30:07 <whodat> getting 'proxy authentication error' when trying to use the internet call, any ideas on this?
Oct 16 04:50:07 <Proteous> probably some sort of proxy auth error
Oct 16 05:50:29 <RST38h> YouTube has rejected John McCain's request for special treatment when his campaign videos are hit with DMCA takedown notices
Oct 16 05:50:34 <RST38h> hehe
Oct 16 06:05:14 <doc|home> how long before he introduces some sort of tax on being involved or using google?
Oct 16 06:06:41 <RST38h> long enough - I hope he loses the elections
Oct 16 06:07:16 <RST38h> although the guy does have long memory.
Oct 16 06:14:46 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Oct 16 06:14:55 <Khertan_n810> maybe someone can help me
Oct 16 06:15:31 <Khertan_n810> i ve a problem with mmc1 on my n810 swithching constantly in read only
Oct 16 06:15:38 <Khertan_n810> and i don t why
Oct 16 06:15:41 <Khertan_n810> nor i see why
Oct 16 06:15:51 <qwerty12> Check if the card is corrupted
Oct 16 06:16:07 <Khertan_n810> to understand if a log is  made somewhere
Oct 16 06:16:23 <johnx> there's a kernel log available with dmesg
Oct 16 06:16:37 <Khertan_n810> the problem seems related after a heavy metalayer crawler scan
Oct 16 06:16:58 <johnx> probably a corrupted card with errors being triggered by lots of I/O
Oct 16 06:17:16 <Khertan_n810> i don t see anything in dmesg log
Oct 16 06:17:28 <Khertan_n810> anything suspect about io
Oct 16 06:17:30 <johnx> nothing about remounting?
Oct 16 06:17:46 <johnx> You should still try fsck'ing it
Oct 16 06:18:03 <Khertan_n810> remounting by unloading card
Oct 16 06:18:08 <Khertan_n810> and reinsert it
Oct 16 06:19:13 <johnx> but dmesg doesn't say "remounting" anywhere?
Oct 16 06:20:32 <Khertan_n810> give me right to write for 5 minutes
Oct 16 06:20:32 <Khertan_n810> no fsck on n810
Oct 16 06:20:35 <Khertan_n810> ping ?
Oct 16 06:20:51 <johnx> pong
Oct 16 06:20:51 <bef0rd> pong
Oct 16 06:21:12 <johnx> heh, broadcast ping?
Oct 16 06:21:22 <bef0rd> do you have a computer near? plug it in, and fsck it from there
Oct 16 06:21:31 <johnx> ^what he said^
Oct 16 06:21:37 <johnx> or find e2fsprogs from somewhere
Oct 16 06:21:54 <qwerty12> ~curse C++
Oct 16 06:21:55 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, C++ !
Oct 16 06:22:23 <bef0rd> ~curse infobot
Oct 16 06:22:24 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot !
Oct 16 06:22:35 <qwerty12> ~curse bef0rd for cursing infobot!
Oct 16 06:22:36 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, bef0rd for cursing infobot! !
Oct 16 06:22:58 <bef0rd> :p limited cursing
Oct 16 06:23:14 <qwerty12> yeah :P. I prefer lart
Oct 16 06:25:27 <Khertan_n810> sorry the network connection is lagging
Oct 16 06:25:27 <Khertan_n810> (phone data connection in train)
Oct 16 06:26:02 <johnx> Khertan_n810, e2fsprogs is in extras
Oct 16 06:26:17 <johnx> err...but your card is FAT I bet
Oct 16 06:26:19 <johnx> let's see
Oct 16 06:26:51 <johnx> you want dosfstools in that case
Oct 16 06:27:02 <Khertan_n810> yet FFat
Oct 16 06:27:02 <Khertan_n810> Fucking FAT
Oct 16 06:28:06 <qwerty12> Nokia in their infinite wisdom already included dosfstools with the tablet :)
Oct 16 06:28:17 <qwerty12> fsck.vfat etc is already present on the tablets
Oct 16 06:29:11 <qwerty12> oh shit, remove legal warning patch v2 actually works
Oct 16 06:30:06 <Khertan_n810> dosfstools is already here
Oct 16 06:30:06 <Khertan_n810> but i don t found commands
Oct 16 06:30:16 <qwerty12> become root
Oct 16 06:31:21 <Khertan_n810> There are differences between boot sector and its backup.
Oct 16 06:31:33 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12: yep :)
Oct 16 06:31:44 <Khertan_n810> i see that by myself
Oct 16 06:31:45 * Khertan_n810 is a noob
Oct 16 06:32:01 <Khertan_n810> Reclaimed 163 unused clusters (667648 bytes).
Oct 16 06:32:03 <Khertan_n810> ouch
Oct 16 06:32:13 <Khertan_n810> i will make a backup before
Oct 16 06:32:18 <johnx> yes, corrupted was the right guess :)
Oct 16 06:32:28 * qwerty12 had to run fsck recently too :). Untarring dd-wrt sources on mmc2 with N800 wasn't good idea
Oct 16 06:33:06 <Khertan_n810> yep but this is strange that dmesg doesn t show anything  about mounting it in read only
Oct 16 06:36:42 <Khertan_n810> i still don t understand also why everything and everybody and so many products use vfat fs for sdcard as it corrupt itself frequently
Oct 16 06:37:01 <qwerty12> it's all about windows :)
Oct 16 06:37:49 <Khertan_n810> window can read other fs
Oct 16 06:38:21 <Khertan_n810> is it easier to implement ?
Oct 16 06:38:46 <qwerty12> Not by default and I don't think support want to spend many hours in the end explaining how to get ext2 support for example on windows
Oct 16 06:39:15 <Khertan_n810> not by default ?
Oct 16 06:39:39 <Khertan_n810> hum maybe it s the network administartor which enable it at work
Oct 16 06:39:55 <Khertan_n810> sorry i m not a windows expert
Oct 16 06:40:03 <Khertan_n810> use it only at work
Oct 16 06:41:03 <Khertan_n810> :)
Oct 16 06:42:04 <Khertan_n810> is there any  reason to not use ext3 on maemo for the sd card ?
Oct 16 06:42:40 <benh> Khertan_n810: other than not mounting it on a !linux machine ?
Oct 16 06:42:41 <Khertan_n810> i mean for advanced user not using windows
Oct 16 06:42:44 <benh> :-)
Oct 16 06:43:09 <Khertan_n810> benh: not a problem ffor me
Oct 16 06:43:16 <benh> I guessed
Oct 16 06:43:27 <qwerty12> You usually use ext3 for sd card boots. For some odd reason, if the first partition on the memory card is ext3, it gets classified as corrupt as the app manager :/
Oct 16 06:43:37 <qwerty12> s/app manager/file manager/
Oct 16 06:43:38 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: You usually use ext3 for sd card boots. For some odd reason, if the first partition on the memory card is ext3, it gets classified as corrupt as the file manager :/
Oct 16 06:43:38 <Khertan_n810> what i mean is with maemo can it made any problem
Oct 16 06:44:11 <Khertan_n810> so file manager doesn t read it
Oct 16 06:44:27 <Khertan_n810> any other app have problem with it ?
Oct 16 06:45:31 <Khertan_n810> pictures viewer for examples ?
Oct 16 06:47:29 <mrp> mrp:
Oct 16 06:48:11 <qwerty12> Khertan_n810: probably. it does use hildon file selector.
Oct 16 06:48:45 <qwerty12> You could make another ext2/3 partition, leaving the 1st one as FAT and store important data on there
Oct 16 06:50:39 <Khertan_n810> yep but i use important data many times a day with hildon file selector
Oct 16 06:51:04 <Khertan_n810> so if hildon file selector don t see the card it ll be a problem
Oct 16 06:51:43 <Khertan_n810> is there a bug in bugzilla
Oct 16 06:51:44 <Khertan_n810> ?
Oct 16 06:52:32 <Khertan_n810> anyway thx for help
Oct 16 06:52:35 <mrp> anybody managed to get deblet port to 770 work?
Oct 16 06:52:40 <Khertan_n810> i ll keep vfat
Oct 16 06:53:25 <Khertan_n810> but i ll backup it and reformat it :)
Oct 16 06:53:50 <Khertan_n810> thx
Oct 16 06:54:20 <bef0rd> I don't like hildon file selector :/
Oct 16 06:54:45 <Khertan_n810> yep me too
Oct 16 06:55:00 <Khertan_n810> but gtk one on maemo is difficult to use
Oct 16 06:55:05 <Khertan_n810> bye
Oct 16 06:55:10 <bef0rd> true that.
Oct 16 06:55:18 <Khertan_n810> i m arriving at office
Oct 16 06:55:23 <bef0rd> bye Khertan_n810.
Oct 16 06:55:26 <Khertan_n810> have a good day
Oct 16 06:55:33 <Khertan_n810> and again thx for help
Oct 16 07:05:56 <baaba> erf, where do i get theoradec for gstreamer again?
Oct 16 07:10:25 <X-Fade> Morning.
Oct 16 07:10:53 <baaba> i was pretty sure it came with some dep for ogg-support but apparently not :(
Oct 16 07:18:08 <kulve> it did in the past
Oct 16 07:18:48 <kulve> I dropped all extra from the latest release because I had troubles to get even that working
Oct 16 07:30:17 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 16 07:31:46 <solmumaha> morning
Oct 16 07:45:09 <mrp>  
Oct 16 07:48:25 <RST38h> moo, Jaffa
Oct 16 10:17:22 <mikkov_> solmumaha: duke cd version and shareware levels are now in extras-devel
Oct 16 10:20:01 <solmumaha> great, i'll test them today
Oct 16 10:21:05 <solmumaha> i wonder if shadowwarrior is good enough for extras
Oct 16 10:21:10 <mikkov_> I haven't tested cd version at all
Oct 16 10:22:45 <solmumaha> you own duke3d?
Oct 16 10:22:54 <mikkov_> no
Oct 16 11:14:00 <lcuk> apt-get uninstall tooth
Oct 16 11:14:37 <lardman> apt-cache search dentist
Oct 16 11:14:50 <lardman> apt-cache search pliers
Oct 16 11:19:41 <MangoFusion> shutdown -h now
Oct 16 11:24:40 * Jaffa also undentists. Still got all my teeth, but concern over "small ulcers" on gums in my otherwise good mouth.
Oct 16 11:25:37 <lardman> Jaffa: not enough alcohol to kill any bacteria in the mouth ;)
Oct 16 11:25:39 <lcuk> [ESCAPE] [ESCAPE] [CTRL+f4] [poserkey]
Oct 16 11:25:47 <lcuk> powerkey^
Oct 16 11:25:55 <Jaffa> lardman: I like that idea :)
Oct 16 11:25:58 <johnx> ah, the poserkey?
Oct 16 11:26:04 * Jaffa is migrained up at the moment, so probably won't help
Oct 16 11:26:10 <lcuk> :(
Oct 16 11:26:23 * johnx presses the poserkey, is suddenly dressed like a boyband member
Oct 16 11:29:13 * aquatix lets some of his female friends scream hyterically at johnx 
Oct 16 11:30:06 * johnx presses the button again, disables PoserLock
Oct 16 11:30:26 <aquatix> ah, not interested in groupies?
Oct 16 11:30:43 <johnx> just leads to awkwardness, and VD O_o
Oct 16 11:34:07 <aquatix> :)
Oct 16 11:35:13 <lcuk> johnx, tsk tsk groupies are fine as long as you install a firewall andrun a virus scan occasionally
Oct 16 11:35:29 <aquatix> indeed
Oct 16 11:35:49 <aquatix> might grow boring after a while, but it sure is fun for a while ;)
Oct 16 11:35:57 <johnx> even the best firewalls will get 0wned by a sufficiently skeery virus
Oct 16 11:36:06 <lcuk> only boring if you stick to the same groupie
Oct 16 11:36:28 <macoute_> johnx: ... though I havent seen a real-life example of that happening to iptables :P
Oct 16 11:36:38 <lcuk> like fine wines, you should take a sip from lots of glasses
Oct 16 11:36:59 <johnx> lcuk, aren't you supposed to spit afterwards?
Oct 16 11:37:15 <lcuk> no, but she can
Oct 16 11:37:17 <lcuk> :O
Oct 16 11:37:28 <aquatix> *g*
Oct 16 11:38:02 * johnx pictures lcuk's female partner spitting on him :P
Oct 16 11:38:20 <macoute_> johnx: have you, btw?
Oct 16 11:38:23 <lcuk> hey - i marked that album as private!
Oct 16 11:38:54 <aquatix> lcuk: indeed you did
Oct 16 11:39:39 <lcuk> i actually dont understand that mentality you know: having an online photo album but setting it as private.  if you dont want people seeing your pictures, dont upload them in the first place
Oct 16 11:39:56 <macoute_> lcuk: :) thats kinda true
Oct 16 11:40:26 <macoute_> and you shouldnt upload yor private pictures to a place with such an EULA as those places usually have
Oct 16 11:40:46 <johnx> eh, I just set pics of other people as private in my flickr album
Oct 16 11:41:17 <johnx> I don't see it as 100% security so much as avoiding being the low hanging fruit
Oct 16 11:41:39 <lcuk> johnx, but havent most of these photo sharing websites had hacking incidents where their albums become public
Oct 16 11:41:40 <johnx> macoute_, no btw, due more to luck in my younger days than anything else
Oct 16 11:41:41 <aquatix> lcuk: why not? maybe such software has login functionality, so you can share pics with family/friends and such?
Oct 16 11:41:53 <aquatix> lcuk: fair enough
Oct 16 11:42:09 <lcuk> heh aquatix, its not just a silly thing
Oct 16 11:42:16 <johnx> lcuk, sure, but and if that happens I'll shrug. I don't expect 100% privacy, just reasonable measures
Oct 16 11:42:20 <johnx> <- pragmatist
Oct 16 11:42:22 <RST38h> ehlo, lcuk, johnx, aquatix
Oct 16 11:42:23 <lcuk> there was a huge archive of myspace photos recently wasnt there
Oct 16 11:43:22 <aquatix> hey RST38h
Oct 16 11:43:31 <lcuk> johnx, i think you use it not for privacy, but for common courtesy - its people that upload actually private images of people in compromising situations
Oct 16 11:43:34 <lcuk> hiya RST38h
Oct 16 11:43:34 <johnx> RST38h, ohai
Oct 16 11:43:47 <aquatix> if i want to share private pics, i show them on one of my devices, or burn a dvd-r
Oct 16 11:43:48 <johnx> lcuk, essentially yes
Oct 16 11:43:52 <aquatix> or cdrom
Oct 16 11:44:02 <johnx> "privacy" is a big grey area
Oct 16 11:44:26 <aquatix> lcuk: yeah, they could better sell those pics to those `amateur nude' sites
Oct 16 11:44:45 <lcuk> i just encode pics as base64 and push to random irc channels
Oct 16 11:45:34 <aquatix> oh, so that's that random line noise you're spewing
Oct 16 11:45:43 <aquatix> :)
Oct 16 11:45:48 <lcuk> heh yeah
Oct 16 11:45:56 <lcuk> thats why my word count is so high
Oct 16 11:45:57 <aquatix> thought it was english
Oct 16 11:46:09 <aquatix> ghehe
Oct 16 11:46:31 <johnx> aquatix, I think english is largely indistinguishable from line noise for the most part...
Oct 16 11:46:42 <lcuk> yeah, well i use ascenography :)
Oct 16 11:46:45 <aquatix> johnx: so true
Oct 16 11:48:41 <lcuk> so whats happenin scene wise then, anything new and exciting to look at?
Oct 16 11:49:05 * lcuk quite likes the idea of this video streaming thingy
Oct 16 11:49:43 * RST38h wonders whether he should debug the remote play feature to liven things up
Oct 16 11:50:42 <lcuk> remote play - of the movie thing, or your games?
Oct 16 11:50:59 <RST38h> games
Oct 16 11:51:36 <lcuk> wicked, by remote play do you mean ip to ip
Oct 16 11:51:42 <RST38h> yes
Oct 16 11:51:47 <RST38h> it is already implemented too
Oct 16 11:51:51 <RST38h> just needs debugging
Oct 16 11:52:04 <lcuk> yeah, but dont firewalls and general NAT type problems get in the way
Oct 16 11:52:21 <RST38h> they do: at least one side has to have a valid open ip address
Oct 16 11:52:24 <johnx> lcuk, that's what she said
Oct 16 11:53:05 <lcuk> heh
Oct 16 11:54:28 <RST38h> OIL $68.50 hehe
Oct 16 11:54:41 <johnx> isn't that down a bit from a while ago?
Oct 16 11:55:22 <RST38h> Yea, like 50% down
Oct 16 11:55:29 <johnx> heh
Oct 16 11:55:40 * RST38h expects cheap airline tickets now
Oct 16 11:55:41 <johnx> ah the wonders of supply and demand
Oct 16 11:55:49 <johnx> gah. I already bought mine :/
Oct 16 11:56:15 <RST38h> Delta owes me a free ticket from Europe to US and back
Oct 16 11:56:28 <johnx> just googled for a handy oil prices chart and got linked to an article from 2000 about oil prices soaring to $30
Oct 16 11:56:37 <Sts|office> johnx: my beagleboard finally works \o/
Oct 16 11:56:43 <Sts|office> (now to put deblet on it..)
Oct 16 11:56:48 <johnx> Sts|office, w00t!
Oct 16 11:56:57 <johnx> I'm looking at gpe/matchbox
Oct 16 11:57:03 <Sts|office> turns out it was a cable problem
Oct 16 11:57:05 <johnx> it flies on my n800 since it frees up so much RAM
Oct 16 11:57:14 <johnx> ah the best kind of problem
Oct 16 11:57:34 <Sts|office> seems like my old mobo connector was miswired, so
Oct 16 11:58:17 <ShadowJK_> miswired how?
Oct 16 11:59:21 <Sts|office> ShadowJK_: up/down switched or something
Oct 16 12:01:48 <RST38h> johnx: ah, that was the time...
Oct 16 12:02:21 <johnx> RST38h, I drove so. damn. much. in the summer of 2000
Oct 16 12:03:38 <johnx> Sts|office, up/down switched? did you have it upside down? :P
Oct 16 12:04:58 <Andy80> hi all
Oct 16 12:05:13 <johnx> hi Andy80
Oct 16 12:05:34 <RST38h> johnx: so, it was YOU who caused the spike in demand for the oil? =)
Oct 16 12:05:58 <Sts|office> johnx: well the electronics workshop here rewired my connector, it seems
Oct 16 12:06:00 <Sts|office> not sure what they did
Oct 16 12:06:09 <Andy80> since os upgrade is totally broken (flash plugin, maemo documentation ecc...), I've to re-flash the device. The latest available firmware is this: RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, isn't there any newer firmware?
Oct 16 12:06:24 <Sts|office> RX-44?
Oct 16 12:06:25 <Andy80> do I have to install that and then use the OTA upgrade?
Oct 16 12:06:28 <Sts|office> oh, right, nm
Oct 16 12:06:29 <ShadowJK_> does beagleboard have reverse polarity protection?
Oct 16 12:06:31 <johnx> RST38h, nah. I was driving an 82 honda accord(ian). I was getting 30 miles/gallon :P
Oct 16 12:06:42 <Andy80> Sts|office: I've N810
Oct 16 12:06:59 <Sts|office> Andy80: windows updater may have more recent one
Oct 16 12:07:03 * RST38h weeps remembering '82 Accord
Oct 16 12:07:08 <RST38h> [never drove it though]
Oct 16 12:07:11 <Sts|office> ShadowJK_: no clue, it i didn't break it
Oct 16 12:07:22 <johnx> RST38h, fond rememberance? or utter hate?
Oct 16 12:07:35 <Andy80> Sts|office: if I don't want or I cannot use windows, can I install 2008.23 and then use the OTA upgrade?
Oct 16 12:07:36 <ShadowJK_> beagleboard looks cute, I want one, but I don't know what I'd use it for :)
Oct 16 12:07:57 <johnx> Andy80, yes. normally the upgrade process works fine.
Oct 16 12:08:17 <ShadowJK_> are there any gl drivers for linux for beagle...
Oct 16 12:08:22 <RST38h> johnx: rather fond rememberance: it was produced *before* all those idiots decided that all 90s cars should look like Ford Taurus
Oct 16 12:08:44 <RST38h> So, '82 Accord still looked like a car, not like a mobile sofa
Oct 16 12:09:27 <NeoWatch> morning guys... my n800 seems it has a hardware issue... it keeps scrolling down by it self so i guess i have to send it to the waranty right?
Oct 16 12:09:50 <RST38h> Sounds like the directional pad is broken
Oct 16 12:09:55 <johnx> ShadowJK_, I believe so, opengl es2
Oct 16 12:10:08 <gomiam> NeoWatch: ? that has happened sometimes. Have you tried clicking all the arrows repeatedly ;-)
Oct 16 12:10:08 <johnx> RST38h, yeah, I loved that thing. it never died either...
Oct 16 12:10:08 <NeoWatch> RST38h talking to me bud?
Oct 16 12:10:22 <NeoWatch> which arrows gomiam ?
Oct 16 12:10:29 <Andy80> johnx: can you load this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ? it's empty for me :(
Oct 16 12:10:35 <RST38h> johnx: neither Hondas nor Toyotas die. They wear out like slippers.
Oct 16 12:10:51 <solmumaha> Andy80: refresh it
Oct 16 12:11:01 <RST38h> Although you can probably kill a Honda if its timing belt breaks...
Oct 16 12:11:02 <johnx> empty here too
Oct 16 12:11:12 <johnx> RST38h, ek1 wasn't interference, IIRC
Oct 16 12:11:16 <aquatix> RST38h: slippers wear out pretty fast here ;)
Oct 16 12:11:34 <Andy80> solmumaha: I'm trying but it doesn't load, it's a blank page
Oct 16 12:11:50 <gomiam> NeoWatch: well, the buttons that you use to move around.
Oct 16 12:11:53 <RST38h> johnx: they added this (mis)feature later?
Oct 16 12:12:11 <solmumaha> Andy80: worked for me
Oct 16 12:18:32 <NeoWatch> gomiam hold on let me try
Oct 16 12:18:48 <gomiam> NeoWatch: ok
Oct 16 12:21:31 <NeoWatch> what pisses me off is that i just bought it 2 month a go and i got to the point that i depend on it so much that i feel like a drug addict now without it
Oct 16 12:21:43 <NeoWatch> hmmm weird... i turned it on and looks fine now
Oct 16 12:21:45 <NeoWatch> !!!!
Oct 16 12:23:17 <gomiam> XD
Oct 16 12:24:04 <gomiam> Murphy's law corollary: some random person who is just passing by will find the solution to the problem after everybody else has spent hours thinking about it ;-)
Oct 16 12:24:17 <NeoWatch> i think the repositories are very limitted and the device too... hopefully someday it will develop more features
Oct 16 12:24:36 <gomiam> are the repositories limited? How so, NeoWatch?
Oct 16 12:25:09 <Sts|office> NeoWatch: maybe your screen protector is applied in the wrong way
Oct 16 12:25:14 <Sts|office> i had similar issue
Oct 16 12:30:26 <Sts|office> johnx: btw i found methods we may use to determine how bad deblet is at keeping battery, - ondemand cpufreq keeps statistics over how long time it spends in each cpu freq, and also using iostat and such
Oct 16 12:30:33 <Sts|office> i have some stats waiting to be analyzed
Oct 16 12:32:50 <Sts|office> and vmstat, since it counts idle cycles
Oct 16 12:52:06 <lopz> hola
Oct 16 12:52:39 <sampo> hello
Oct 16 12:53:13 <sampo> is it possible somehow to change font size inside gtk combobox ? if is, how ?
Oct 16 13:07:27 <inz> sampo, static void _smaller_text(gpointer cell, gpointer user_data) { g_object_set(cell, "scale", (gdouble)0.75, "scale-set", TRUE, NULL); } ... GList *cells = gtk_cell_layout_get_cells(GTK_CELL_LAYOUT(combo)); g_list_foreach(cells, _smaller_text, NULL); g_list_free(cells);
Oct 16 13:07:32 <inz> sampo, or something similar might work
Oct 16 13:33:13 <Jaffa> BTW, anyone who was sponsored for the summit: have you been reimbursed yet?
Oct 16 13:36:57 <X-Fade> http://vimeo.com/1981468
Oct 16 14:47:23 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, ping.
Oct 16 14:49:49 <whodat> getting 'proxy authentication error' when trying to use the internet call, any ideas?
Oct 16 14:57:20 <Jaffa> whodat: Silly question - are you behind an authenticated proxy?
Oct 16 14:58:33 <whodat> yeah, but i entered the proxy user/pass
Oct 16 14:59:23 <Jaffa> And browser works?
Oct 16 14:59:37 <Jaffa> Could be a bug in the Internet Call app not handling proxy auth properly
Oct 16 15:00:04 <Robot101> I didn't even realise that was an error
Oct 16 15:00:11 <Robot101> whodat: when does it happen specifically?
Oct 16 15:00:17 <Robot101> whodat: are you using SIP or GTalk?
Oct 16 15:01:08 <whodat> SIP
Oct 16 15:01:27 <whodat> yeah i think its a bug, doesnt like this proxy server or something
Oct 16 15:01:53 <whodat> i use the same user/pass on another SIP client, it works
Oct 16 15:03:00 <whodat> robot: i saw the error after you told me how to turn logging on a few days ago
Oct 16 15:04:24 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: the irony is that the flash thing is so horridly horridly easy I don't understand why noone has done it yet.
Oct 16 15:05:00 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: (it works under deblet, enough said?)
Oct 16 15:05:59 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: :)
Oct 16 15:06:56 <qwerty12> Hrm, anyone want to fix a dodgy patch?
Oct 16 15:13:33 <GeneralAntilles> I wish we could have just one more line in the application menu.
Oct 16 15:19:22 <qwerty12> Here's what I've got so far. http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/nokia_suck_dick_with_their_legal_bullshit.png . I can save and load the value successfully, but my problem comes in with the way I'm integrating that value when it comes to the actual install part. But I can't program anyway so if I cant figure it out, I don't give a shit :)
Oct 16 15:19:34 <GeneralAntilles> Ha. . . .
Oct 16 15:19:58 <GeneralAntilles> What about Red Pill and the settings dialog?
Oct 16 15:20:19 <Jaffa> Isn't that the Red Pill settings dialogue?
Oct 16 15:20:40 <qwerty12> That is the red pill settings dialog. I figure it would go in nokia's favour if a person has to do a "hack" to disable it
Oct 16 15:20:41 <GeneralAntilles> The settings dialog doesn't appear under Blue Pill anymore in Diablo.
Oct 16 15:20:46 <Jaffa> If so, using Red Pill mode to hide the setting is going to encourage *more* Red Pill use, when we're trying to minimise it ;-)
Oct 16 15:21:13 <qwerty12> Shouldn't be hard to bring it back, I figure even me (who isn't a programmer) can bring it back :)
Oct 16 15:21:30 <GeneralAntilles> The Red Pill check needs to be moved from the dialog to the individual settings.
Oct 16 15:30:47 <GeneralAntilles> More nonsense from tz. . . .
Oct 16 15:32:44 <Sts|office> GeneralAntilles: you basically put in a uimage + linux kernel on fat partition and did standard linux boot when you did deblet on beagle i assume?
Oct 16 15:32:59 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Oct 16 15:33:06 <GeneralAntilles> I was using TI's reference kernel
Oct 16 15:33:15 <GeneralAntilles> since it's the only one that works reliably with OTG at the moment.
Oct 16 15:33:39 <GeneralAntilles> Just yanked Ångstrom's bootargs and changed the partition.
Oct 16 15:33:42 <GeneralAntilles> Worked fine.
Oct 16 15:34:00 <GeneralAntilles> You'll also need to put the appropriate MLO on the card.
Oct 16 15:35:09 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Oct 16 15:35:20 * Stskeeps glances over at the beagleboard
Oct 16 15:35:24 <Stskeeps> -finally- got a serial conn
Oct 16 15:35:43 <Stskeeps> turns out those yanking from mobo about connector doesn't always work :P
Oct 16 15:36:22 <GeneralAntilles> Well, you can just move pins around on the DB9 port.
Oct 16 15:37:20 <Stskeeps> yeah, the electronics shop at uni patched it up (had someone else do the initial work stuff to get cables and such :P)
Oct 16 15:40:42 <Stskeeps> i saw earlier that atom boards are cheaper than beagles.. that was kinda frightening
Oct 16 15:40:57 <Stskeeps> (with cpu
Oct 16 15:44:11 <Stskeeps> ok. play with two very cheap ipaq 3630 i got, beagleboard, or 770 port problems.
Oct 16 15:44:34 <Stskeeps> .. or deblet
Oct 16 15:48:06 <NeoWatch> guys where can i get more repositories for my n800 ?
Oct 16 15:49:32 <Stskeeps> extras and maybe extras-devel (and tools) are all you should optimally need
Oct 16 15:49:47 <GeneralAntilles> ~extras
Oct 16 15:49:48 <infobot> it has been said that extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Oct 16 15:49:51 <qwerty12> Having more repositories will not make your n800 more pimped. The question you should be asking is where can I find a package if it's not in extras or extras-devel
Oct 16 15:49:54 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, well, economies of scale and all that. ;)
Oct 16 15:50:10 <GeneralAntilles> Atom is essentially a really shitty x86, while OMAP3 is a top-of-the-line ARM. ;)
Oct 16 15:51:06 <Stskeeps> true
Oct 16 15:52:11 <GeneralAntilles> Besides, an Atom doesn't have any awesome factor.
Oct 16 15:53:25 <Stskeeps> we might switch on work to that (sadly) as we hoped to be able to do wifi ap using usb or the likes.. powered usb didn't matter, but current support in linux is .. shite, SDIO was also an option
Oct 16 15:53:42 <Stskeeps> there's libertas but can't find any actual sdio with it on
Oct 16 15:54:32 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting
Oct 16 15:55:11 <Stskeeps> we're basically trying to create a low cost infrastructure for pervasive computing in the home, for healthcare purpose
Oct 16 15:55:14 <Stskeeps> s
Oct 16 15:55:39 <GeneralAntilles> Why not just an off-the-shelf router?
Oct 16 15:55:45 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta be cheaper than rolling your own.
Oct 16 15:55:50 <NeoWatch> qwerty12 i see... the thing is i find the N800 like too simple... like when u have a some food and its missing salt and pepper... the food is in there but its missing that nice extra taste
Oct 16 15:56:02 <GeneralAntilles> Thus:
Oct 16 15:56:03 <GeneralAntilles> ~extras
Oct 16 15:56:04 <infobot> extras is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Oct 16 15:56:23 <NeoWatch> i am about to throw this damn itouch trought the windows... it connect online everywhere except home
Oct 16 15:56:33 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: yeah, but we're hoping to include stuff like s-video for training videos and such too..
Oct 16 15:56:34 <GeneralAntilles> or http://downloads.maemo.org if you want screenshots
Oct 16 15:56:38 <Stskeeps> and that's better in same box
Oct 16 15:56:47 <Stskeeps> and we did start out with off the shelf routers
Oct 16 16:02:21 <johnx> NeoWatch, for excitement look up extras and extras-devel and then start lurking on ITT in the apps section
Oct 16 16:02:41 <whodat> Robot101?
Oct 16 16:02:58 <johnx> Stskeeps, rolling your own router-ish thing? it just needs wifi AP and s-video out, right?
Oct 16 16:03:02 <Robot101> whodat: hm?
Oct 16 16:03:17 <Robot101> whodat: can you save the whole tp-sofiasip log into a file and put it somewhere?
Oct 16 16:03:37 <Robot101> whodat: mikhailz on #telepathy might be able to help you with it (he's the tp-sofiasip lead dev)
Oct 16 16:03:42 <tiagoOM> Does anyone know how to browse available services of a bluetooth connection on maemo? I want to do the same as 'sdptool browse $MAC' does on Ubuntu. Is there sdptool for Maemo? If yes, in which package?
Oct 16 16:03:43 <Robot101> (oh he's offline atm)
Oct 16 16:03:52 <whodat> robot101: yaeh.. i have it on pastebin already but i forget what the url is lol... cant seem to find a way to search for it
Oct 16 16:03:52 <johnx> Stskeeps, I assume you've heard of the neuros OSD?
Oct 16 16:04:47 <whodat> robot: okay I will try to hit him up tonight after work.
Oct 16 16:04:49 <qwerty12> tiagoOM: sdptest is in bluez-utils-test
Oct 16 16:05:10 <Stskeeps> johnx: wifi AP, s-video and .. maybe usb
Oct 16 16:05:14 <Stskeeps> usb important
Oct 16 16:05:46 <whodat> thx robot
Oct 16 16:05:54 <johnx> Stskeeps, and have you found an acceptable wifi adapter that can be plugged into usb?
Oct 16 16:06:07 <Stskeeps> johnx: not that works with wifi ap mode :P
Oct 16 16:06:12 <johnx> sad
Oct 16 16:06:12 <Stskeeps> the usb is for 3g really
Oct 16 16:06:22 <Stskeeps> well it exists but the drivers are shady
Oct 16 16:06:27 <johnx> completely by accident my wifi cf card has host ability
Oct 16 16:06:41 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, find a way to get the company to pay for developing some real drivers? :P
Oct 16 16:07:07 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: mm
Oct 16 16:07:38 <Stskeeps> johnx: looks interesting though
Oct 16 16:08:01 <johnx> just one more community to follow, and one more gadget to learn about :P
Oct 16 16:08:13 <Stskeeps> hey, i'm already in many boats :P
Oct 16 16:08:22 <whodat> does anyone make a usb adapter for the n810 with the female end.. without having to use a long cable..
Oct 16 16:09:33 <Stskeeps> johnx: fully hackable box?
Oct 16 16:09:44 <johnx> http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/Neuros_OSD
Oct 16 16:09:48 <johnx> pretty hackable, yeah
Oct 16 16:09:55 <johnx> I think there might be a closed driver or two?
Oct 16 16:10:12 <Stskeeps> k
Oct 16 16:21:58 <tiagoOM> thanks qwerty12
Oct 16 16:47:01 <smoe> hello!
Oct 16 16:47:15 <johnx> hi
Oct 16 16:47:36 <smoe> i'm a new user of the N810 and i have problems installing openssh via deb-files
Oct 16 16:47:51 <qwerty12> It's in a repo :)
Oct 16 16:47:54 <GeneralAntilles> Just grab it from Extras.
Oct 16 16:47:55 <GeneralAntilles> ~extras
Oct 16 16:47:56 <infobot> hmm... extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Oct 16 16:49:42 <smoe> here i have no wlan, so i downloaded the deb-files and copied them via usb on the nokia. when i doubleclick the file openssh-common... it says "application incompatible.." or so
Oct 16 16:50:05 <qwerty12> dpkg -i them. you'll need root
Oct 16 16:50:06 <GeneralAntilles> dpkg -i <path to .deb>
Oct 16 16:50:11 <GeneralAntilles> ~rootsh
Oct 16 16:50:12 <infobot> rumour has it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Oct 16 16:50:30 <smoe> rootsh ... ok i try
Oct 16 16:50:31 <qwerty12> also, I think they depend on each other so install the debs at the same time with the one dpkg line
Oct 16 16:50:58 <smoe> no, when i try openssh-client is explicitly says 'depends on openssh-common'
Oct 16 16:51:24 <qwerty12> exactly. install openssh-common and openssh-client at the same time
Oct 16 16:52:11 <smoe> i cant without root privileges and i need internet for installing rootsh (?) and i need openssh for internet via usb :-/
Oct 16 16:52:42 <qwerty12> lol... save this one to a memory card: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb . Install via application manager
Oct 16 16:53:05 <smoe> ok, thanks :) i 'll try..
Oct 16 16:54:33 <johnx> are you sure you need openssh for usb networking?
Oct 16 16:55:29 <smoe> so the howto says
Oct 16 16:55:47 <johnx> this one? http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking
Oct 16 16:56:17 <qwerty12> nay, no ssh mention there
Oct 16 16:56:22 <smoe> oh, an new one...
Oct 16 16:56:23 * GeneralAntilles nominates qwerty12 to clean up that article.
Oct 16 16:56:56 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles: I honestly would offer but I don't even use USB Networking as I can't get it to work. I'm a g_serial fan
Oct 16 16:57:15 <smoe> what the...
Oct 16 16:57:16 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks for the other cleanup, by the way. :)
Oct 16 16:57:46 <slonopotamus> so. i've built svn with deps on my n800. in right world that would be enough. however. for various reasons packages fail to build on autobuilder. so i need to continue hacking. this is ugly. main package goal is to work on device, not to build in broken emulator.
Oct 16 16:58:40 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles: No problems, thanks :). I'll try and add appropriate things where needed, though I don't know much (read: any) wiki syntax and my grammar can be dodgy :/
Oct 16 16:58:44 <slonopotamus> good emulator - emulator that is indistinguishable from original device
Oct 16 16:59:36 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, bookmark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet
Oct 16 16:59:46 <slonopotamus> this makes me sad
Oct 16 17:00:03 <GeneralAntilles> I still think they should get some Beagles or overos for the autobuilder.
Oct 16 17:00:07 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles: Ah! A quick look tells me this will be very useful indeed, thanks!
Oct 16 17:00:29 * GeneralAntilles still mixes up internal and external link syntax.
Oct 16 17:01:05 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, heh...that's what debian does
Oct 16 17:01:26 <GeneralAntilles> For their builder?
Oct 16 17:01:35 <GeneralAntilles> What Mojo does.
Oct 16 17:01:49 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, yup, all debian autobuilders are real machines
Oct 16 17:02:03 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, they have the m68k port built on millions of little m68ks
Oct 16 17:02:29 <slonopotamus> one day i'll port gentoo on n8x0 and sdk hell will end.
Oct 16 17:02:30 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Oct 16 17:03:17 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, it's halfway between funny and insane. The poor little m68ks have real issues keeping up with people uploading new source
Oct 16 17:03:54 <johnx> slonopotamus, or you could just use debian ... and not have to worry about things constantly needing to be compiled
Oct 16 17:05:27 <slonopotamus> i'm ok using gentoo on desktop and servers. maybe using it on tablet is not-so-bad idea? :)
Oct 16 17:05:55 <johnx> slonopotamus, sure, depends on how much time you have on your hands and whether you want to use your tablet or watch it compile things
Oct 16 17:07:52 <ShadowJK_> maybe it could compile in a background xterm
Oct 16 17:08:06 <ShadowJK_> and suspend compiling if not on external power
Oct 16 17:08:49 <johnx> which doesn't solve one of my core requirements: instant gratification. :)
Oct 16 17:09:35 <slonopotamus> i spend much time away from desktop, but with tablet. so destop sdk is a poor choice
Oct 16 17:09:59 <johnx> then debian on the tablet is a perfect choice :)
Oct 16 17:10:20 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: http://nosocomia.com:8099/blog/index.html <- person who tried gentoo on tablet :P
Oct 16 17:11:09 <slonopotamus> maemo xchat sucks. no copy/paste
Oct 16 17:11:18 <GeneralAntilles> Copy/paste works fine here. . . .
Oct 16 17:11:38 <slonopotamus> oh
Oct 16 17:11:48 <slonopotamus> it copies on selection
Oct 16 17:11:54 <slonopotamus> sorry then
Oct 16 17:12:26 <ShadowJK_> can anyone else copy from the address line in microb? I can't, I can select it, but when I lift stylus, selection goes away :)
Oct 16 17:12:35 <ShadowJK_> It used to pop up with the address selected :/
Oct 16 17:13:53 <johnx> Stskeeps, interesting. I didn't know anyone got that far
Oct 16 17:14:01 <slonopotamus> selecting is enough. it's in clipboard.
Oct 16 17:14:41 <ShadowJK_> slonopotamus, not with microb
Oct 16 17:14:51 <Stskeeps> johnx: think he went slowly mad if you read it closer
Oct 16 17:14:58 <Stskeeps> but it's still interesting
Oct 16 17:15:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, yeah, it is. "There but for the grace of god..." and all that
Oct 16 17:15:51 <qwerty12> Gentoo drives you to the point of madness. That's why there is debian. :)
Oct 16 17:16:32 <slonopotamus> hey
Oct 16 17:16:35 <bematic1> ehlo
Oct 16 17:16:38 <slonopotamus> i'm not mad
Oct 16 17:16:59 <GeneralAntilles> itt
Oct 16 17:17:01 <bematic1> i'm currently trying to chat using irc protocol with my n810
Oct 16 17:17:26 <bematic1> i'm currently using rtcom beta
Oct 16 17:17:39 <GeneralAntilles> XChat from Extras-devel is better.
Oct 16 17:17:45 <johnx> qwerty12, I didn't hear of it until after debian, hence my current allegiances
Oct 16 17:17:47 <bematic1> i'm connected to freenode
Oct 16 17:17:53 <Stskeeps> johnx: then again, he would have a fully optimized dist :P
Oct 16 17:17:55 <sp3000> clearly
Oct 16 17:17:57 <bematic1> but i can't configure a contact to chat with
Oct 16 17:18:08 <bematic1> do you know an issue for ?
Oct 16 17:18:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, gentoo is madness. check out angstrom before that
Oct 16 17:18:29 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, that man is strange. why does he need scratchbox at all?
Oct 16 17:18:30 <johnx> Stskeeps, or poky
Oct 16 17:18:31 <Stskeeps> johnx: i have seen gentoo completely and utterly wreck a server, so, not again
Oct 16 17:18:45 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: cos building on your qemu emu is not fast
Oct 16 17:19:05 <Stskeeps> i really should try with a matching gcc distcc + qemu
Oct 16 17:19:08 <Stskeeps> and see how sane it is
Oct 16 17:19:28 <qwerty12> cross compiling the "normal" way drives me mad :)
Oct 16 17:20:22 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: capn_fish or someone came up with the idea of taking a qemu armel box, and DISTCC'ing to a codesourcery chain in PATH on a desktop machine
Oct 16 17:20:38 <Stskeeps> acheiving faster compiling but true emulation too
Oct 16 17:20:45 <Stskeeps> so no scratchbox insanities
Oct 16 17:20:56 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, why qemu at all? crosscompile base system, boot and build everything on tablet directly
Oct 16 17:21:17 <qwerty12> slonopotamus: compiling on tablet is slow. sometimes, watchdog jumps in tood
Oct 16 17:21:18 <johnx> ha! then you could renice qemu to make it behave :)
Oct 16 17:21:22 <qwerty12> s/tood/too/
Oct 16 17:21:22 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: slonopotamus: compiling on tablet is slow. sometimes, watchdog jumps in too
Oct 16 17:21:48 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: what qwerty12 said
Oct 16 17:21:54 <johnx> qwerty12, with enough swap, you'll never see watchdog, but yes, terrifyingly slow
Oct 16 17:22:03 <Stskeeps> i prefer a qemu cos it's like 50% faster than my tablet
Oct 16 17:22:10 <johnx> slonopotamus, I think you vastly underestimate how slow we're talking about
Oct 16 17:22:23 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: though, if you distcc, you -could- do it on tablet
Oct 16 17:22:27 <Stskeeps> admittedly
Oct 16 17:22:38 <Stskeeps> so it takes the hard cc jobs other place
Oct 16 17:22:46 <johnx> configure, linking, installing would still take a long time
Oct 16 17:22:46 <slonopotamus> man, i saw your qemu running 200x slower then my n800 on libdb build
Oct 16 17:22:47 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: but then there's the whole "sdk packages don't belong on tablet"
Oct 16 17:22:56 <GeneralAntilles> "your"
Oct 16 17:23:03 <GeneralAntilles> slonopotamus, we're not maemo.org :)
Oct 16 17:23:19 <bematic> yes it's working
Oct 16 17:23:43 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: i'm not speaking of scratchbox qemu insanity
Oct 16 17:23:55 <Stskeeps> i'm speaking fully emulated qemu
Oct 16 17:24:02 <Stskeeps> not running apps, but a whole os
Oct 16 17:24:03 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 16 17:24:03 <slonopotamus> i _don't_ have much time at desktop. wife, children, etc. so slow is better than nothing.
Oct 16 17:24:29 <slonopotamus> and slow is better than broken emylation
Oct 16 17:24:30 <johnx> slonopotamus, if you had a choice would you take fast over slow?
Oct 16 17:25:05 <slonopotamus> fast or compatible but slow ;)
Oct 16 17:25:10 <Stskeeps> while on the fly you could always unset your DISTCC variables
Oct 16 17:25:21 <slonopotamus> i prefer compatibility
Oct 16 17:25:22 <bematic> /list
Oct 16 17:25:40 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: i'm not sure what your argument is
Oct 16 17:25:59 <johnx> slonopotamus, debian is faster and more compatible :)
Oct 16 17:26:22 <johnx> especially if you have to start with an armv4l distro
Oct 16 17:26:50 <johnx> (in gentoo I mean)
Oct 16 17:27:16 <slonopotamus> building and running in one env is more stable than having two envs, one for building and one for running
Oct 16 17:27:37 <qwerty12> lcuk: btw, if I could get screenshots of liqbase, would you be interested?
Oct 16 17:27:47 <slonopotamus> i'm building fresh cross-system
Oct 16 17:27:55 <johnx> slonopotamus, I'm booted into debian on my n800 *right now.* I totally agree with you
Oct 16 17:28:12 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: if you find a good way to optimize base debian system i'm all ears
Oct 16 17:28:55 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, what optimizations you need? size?
Oct 16 17:29:09 <slonopotamus> johnx, deblet?
Oct 16 17:29:13 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: armv5/v6 optimization, not armv4t
Oct 16 17:29:16 <johnx> slonopotamus, yup
Oct 16 17:29:22 <Stskeeps> so see if it works better
Oct 16 17:29:32 <slonopotamus> johnx, can it build?
Oct 16 17:29:37 <johnx> slonopotamus, oh yes
Oct 16 17:29:39 <johnx> very much so
Oct 16 17:30:36 <johnx> having done several days worth of compiles I am in a unique position to imagine how long it will take to bootstrap gentoo on one of these things
Oct 16 17:31:32 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, forget about armv4t. i'm going to do fresh crosscompile.
Oct 16 17:31:39 <Stskeeps> k
Oct 16 17:31:52 <Stskeeps> i'll be interested to see if it really have any benefits
Oct 16 17:32:05 <slonopotamus> maybe  i'll fail. but i have a right and will to try ;)
Oct 16 17:32:11 <johnx> slonopotamus, if you'd turn on VFP at the same time, that would be interesting too :)
Oct 16 17:32:14 <Stskeeps> yeah
Oct 16 17:32:18 <Stskeeps> (ignoring 770s for now..)
Oct 16 17:32:22 <johnx> I think that's where the biggest speed-up is to be had
Oct 16 17:32:32 <johnx> Stskeeps, 770s are well served by debian eabi
Oct 16 17:32:54 <slonopotamus> jonhx, what option enables it?
Oct 16 17:33:18 <orangey> hey all!
Oct 16 17:33:21 <johnx> hmm...
Oct 16 17:33:23 <johnx> hi orangey
Oct 16 17:33:35 <orangey> I'm having significant trouble getting SIP to work on an n810. Any help pages on configuring various services?
Oct 16 17:33:38 <slonopotamus> jonhx, i'm thinking of arm-none-linux-gnueabi target.
Oct 16 17:33:46 <orangey> for example, neither callcentric nor wengo are working out for me.
Oct 16 17:34:06 <trickie> slonopotamus: you gonna build a stage1 on the tablet?
Oct 16 17:34:50 <trickie> slonopotamus: if you do, can i have one? :)
Oct 16 17:35:15 <slonopotamus> trickie, first goal is to crosscompile bootable stage. if i do that, everything will be possible on tablet
Oct 16 17:35:31 <qwerty12_N800> slonopotamus, -mfpu=vfp as a cflag
Oct 16 17:35:47 <trickie> slonopotamus: have you got very far? a toolchain?
Oct 16 17:35:57 <johnx> slonopotamus, this seems relevant: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/05/17/gcc-options-and-floating-point/
Oct 16 17:36:19 <trickie> i tried with a toolchain i built with crossdev, and didn't get very far
Oct 16 17:36:27 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: feel free to steal any tricks from deblet to get stuff showing (.. credited obviously), all source is at http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/
Oct 16 17:37:01 <Stskeeps> if you succeed in compiling :P
Oct 16 17:37:28 <slonopotamus> trickie, i have almost complete 'system' (without perl). gonna try to boot on this weekend.
Oct 16 17:37:35 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: if it's gentoo you're going for.. debian optimized is still interesting though
Oct 16 17:37:45 <trickie> slonopotamus: nice
Oct 16 17:37:54 <slonopotamus> johnx, thanks for link
Oct 16 17:38:42 <slonopotamus> trickie, anyway, if i'll have any progress, will post on itt
Oct 16 17:39:55 <NeoWatch> guys where i can get a good radio application for my n800?
Oct 16 17:40:01 <Stskeeps> "fm radio"? :P
Oct 16 17:40:09 <Stskeeps> (which is decent, imho)
Oct 16 17:40:12 <slonopotamus> ;)
Oct 16 17:40:50 * qwerty12_N800 prefers mediabox. fmradio has more features but at least connecting a bluetooth headset still works
Oct 16 17:41:08 <NeoWatch> is it only mine or the n800 use the headphones as antenna? cuz i cant get any reception
Oct 16 17:41:27 <trickie> slonopotamus: ok, cool... good luck!
Oct 16 17:41:34 <GeneralAntilles> Headphones are antenna.
Oct 16 17:41:41 <NeoWatch> ohh ok
Oct 16 17:41:54 <NeoWatch> i need to get me a small keyboard and a bluetooth headset for it
Oct 16 17:41:57 <slonopotamus> qwerty, 'Looks like the default for -mfpu is vfp and the default for -mfloat-abi is soft.'
Oct 16 17:42:09 <slonopotamus> qwerty, so defaults are ok?
Oct 16 17:43:15 <qwerty12_N800> slonopotamus, yep. they seem to be used by everyone & maemo policy manual mentions them
Oct 16 17:43:38 <GeneralAntilles> NeoWatch, the Apple keyboard is nice if you don't need folding.
Oct 16 17:43:53 <GeneralAntilles> NeoWatch, and I like the Plantronics headsets.
Oct 16 17:43:59 <Stskeeps> johnx: btw 770 port is progressing nicely, seems like the steps are correct somewhat
Oct 16 17:44:17 <orangey> anybody have maemo running successfully with callcentric?
Oct 16 17:44:49 <slonopotamus> qwerty, then i'm building with vfp enabled
Oct 16 17:45:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, sounds great! I bet gpe/matchbox would be nice and light for it
Oct 16 17:46:27 <orangey> what's RTCOMM?
Oct 16 17:46:34 <orangey> is that the stock SIP software with Maemo?
Oct 16 17:46:40 <slonopotamus> btw
Oct 16 17:47:05 <slonopotamus> i think i'll be able to use restriicted packages
Oct 16 17:47:23 <GeneralAntilles> orangey, the communication framework.
Oct 16 17:47:49 <slonopotamus> because gentoo doesn't bundle them into ebuilds, so they will be downloaded from nokia repo
Oct 16 17:47:57 <slonopotamus> ;)
Oct 16 17:48:00 <orangey> GeneralAntilles: I'm trying to figure out where to get some help with regards to my sip accounts.
Oct 16 17:48:15 <orangey> what should I be searching for? rtcomm? sofia?
Oct 16 17:49:25 <GeneralAntilles> orangey, did you try the rtcomm beta?
Oct 16 17:49:45 <GeneralAntilles> It adds a lot more account presets.
Oct 16 17:50:35 <orangey> OK, I'd like to do that. Let me look around to see how to install the beta. brb
Oct 16 17:51:28 <GeneralAntilles> The meta-package should be in Extras-devel.
Oct 16 17:51:51 <orangey> what's red-pill mode, btw?
Oct 16 17:51:53 <NeoWatch> hmm i installed the extra-devel and all my repositories dissapeared
Oct 16 17:52:17 <johnx> orangey, it removes some restrictions on installing packages
Oct 16 17:52:55 <johnx> orangey, so it sounds like "expert mode" but it can cause the app manager to choose the wrong packages if you leave it on while doing a system upgrade
Oct 16 17:54:20 <orangey> ok. so I hve to be judicious, it sounds like
Oct 16 17:54:23 <GeneralAntilles> Guess not everything is in Extras-devel yet.
Oct 16 17:56:23 <slonopotamus> anyone wants svn & deps  almost-buildable-in-scratchbox source packages? :)
Oct 16 17:56:51 <orangey> so, does rtcomm support ICQ and so on, then?
Oct 16 17:57:47 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Oct 16 17:58:03 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, how?
Oct 16 17:58:22 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, n800 emulation
Oct 16 17:58:35 <orangey> GeneralAntilles: cool.
Oct 16 17:58:50 <orangey> GeneralAntilles: a last question, then. is this sufficient: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/
Oct 16 17:58:54 <orangey> or must I really do the beta?
Oct 16 17:59:00 <lcuk> i was talkin to hrw at the summit and the emulator was not a total emulation and did not support xv
Oct 16 17:59:10 <GeneralAntilles> Grabbing haze from the Collabora repo should do you.
Oct 16 17:59:23 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, shit :(, my bad
Oct 16 17:59:38 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I managed to get a bunch of repos removed from gronmayer btw. And more to come.
Oct 16 17:59:42 <lcuk> dont worry, ill just have to write the png export, its required anyway
Oct 16 17:59:47 <qole_> so how do I take stuff out of  the repos? What's the opposite of dput?
Oct 16 18:00:16 <X-Fade> qole_: Ehm that is: "Mail the maintainer" :)
Oct 16 18:00:22 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, keep on fighting the good fight. ;)
Oct 16 18:00:35 <X-Fade> qole_: Or tell me to do it ;)
Oct 16 18:01:10 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, what did you mean by 'to get stuff showing'?
Oct 16 18:01:21 <lcuk> evenin qole_ X-Fade btw
Oct 16 18:01:27 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I really need some help on the categories battle. Can the council help me please? :)
Oct 16 18:01:28 <lcuk> and gen+qwerty lol
Oct 16 18:01:34 <X-Fade> hi lcuk.
Oct 16 18:01:44 <qwerty12_N800> lol, hi lcuk
Oct 16 18:01:47 <qole_> Well, it's my package. I can upload stuff with dput, but what if I want to erase a package?
Oct 16 18:02:04 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, I'll rally the troops and make a blog post.
Oct 16 18:02:09 <GeneralAntilles> See if that gets anything rolling.
Oct 16 18:02:09 <slonopotamus> qole_, then you lost :)
Oct 16 18:02:35 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: >
Oct 16 18:02:40 <GeneralAntilles> qole_, don't upload it in the first place. ;)
Oct 16 18:02:43 <X-Fade> https://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories
Oct 16 18:03:09 <X-Fade> qole_: Removing packages must be seen as a last resort.
Oct 16 18:03:26 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: console, .. i can strongly recommend using my linuxrc bootmenu
Oct 16 18:03:27 <qole_> GeneralAntlles: helpful as always
Oct 16 18:03:34 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: it makes things a lot easier :P
Oct 16 18:03:39 <X-Fade> qole_: And only to be done for broken packages or things that violate someting.
Oct 16 18:03:42 <GeneralAntilles> qole_, well that's the truth.
Oct 16 18:03:43 <GeneralAntilles> :shrug:
Oct 16 18:04:06 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, what's the problem with console?
Oct 16 18:04:23 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: well on tablets console doesn't appear immediately but i think it's documented in that blog
Oct 16 18:04:31 <Stskeeps> like, you have to load fbcon and such :P
Oct 16 18:04:36 <Stskeeps> and set fb update modes
Oct 16 18:04:52 <Stskeeps> then there's some tricks with avoiding some initfs crap
Oct 16 18:04:58 <Stskeeps> (i recommend looking at deblet-boot-basics)
Oct 16 18:05:02 <qole_> X-Fade: so the repos just accumulate every version of every app ever uploaded?
Oct 16 18:05:10 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, ok, will look
Oct 16 18:05:17 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, thanks a lot
Oct 16 18:06:08 <X-Fade> qole_: Currently, yes. But normally there would be some automatic cleanup too.
Oct 16 18:06:43 <X-Fade> qole_: The idea is to have a few versions (2 or 3) in the repo and remove the older ones.
Oct 16 18:07:56 <lcuk> qole_, what did u upload?
Oct 16 18:08:20 <qole_> I broke extras-devel for a few hours last week with a broken package, it would have been nice to be able to delete my package
Oct 16 18:08:52 <lcuk> heh :D
Oct 16 18:09:03 <lcuk> that was when you told it to install the world wasnt it
Oct 16 18:09:11 <trickie> Stskeeps: or you can just build a kernel with the fb turned on and manual updates off
Oct 16 18:09:19 <X-Fade> qole_: Well, it shouldn't have ended up in the repo.
Oct 16 18:09:30 <X-Fade> qole_: We plan to do more tests and checks.
Oct 16 18:09:33 <qole_> I found I could fix it by re-uploading a fixed pkg with the same version
Oct 16 18:09:54 <X-Fade> qole_: No, that breaks it too. But in a different way.
Oct 16 18:10:17 <GeneralAntilles> Always, always, always increment your version number.
Oct 16 18:10:24 <X-Fade> That can cause the 'Size mismatch' errors.
Oct 16 18:11:31 <qole_> Long story, but I'm uploading my .deb to non-free because I have binary bits and some vala code from bundyo
Oct 16 18:12:27 <X-Fade> 3v1l non-free
Oct 16 18:12:42 <qole_> I needed to fix my mistake; extras-devel was unusable; re-uploading fixed the repo
Oct 16 18:13:15 <X-Fade> qole_: Yeah, for non-free there are other scripts as you bypass the autobuilder.
Oct 16 18:13:28 <GeneralAntilles> qole_, talk to X-Fade if you break things.
Oct 16 18:14:16 <X-Fade> But good that you started with extras-devel as that one is expected to break sometimes.
Oct 16 18:14:24 <qole_> since then, I've been incrementing the version, and my package is a good citizen :)
Oct 16 18:15:33 <qole_> of course I started with extras-devel; I'm ignorant enough that I was sure to break something!
Oct 16 18:16:24 <X-Fade> That is the problem we have with non-free. If we offer it things can break more easily, if we don't: people go elsewhere.
Oct 16 18:16:59 <X-Fade> So we must hope that people care enough to not break things all the time.
Oct 16 18:17:19 <GeneralAntilles> konttori still needs to be harassed about UKMP
Oct 16 18:17:28 <qole_> so the official position on removing a package by myself is, "you can't"?
Oct 16 18:17:32 <GeneralAntilles> He seems to have missed my email.
Oct 16 18:17:36 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, that guy's  main problem is that he started from an ancient stage i think.
Oct 16 18:17:52 <X-Fade> qole_: Yes. For now.
Oct 16 18:18:12 <johnx> slonopotamus, I think he was under the impression there wasn't a more recent one
Oct 16 18:18:58 <qole_> X-Fade: I suspect you'll be hearing from me, then :D
Oct 16 18:19:23 <Stskeeps> trickie: yeah, but that breaks horridly occasionally :P
Oct 16 18:19:36 <X-Fade> qole_: You know where to find me.
Oct 16 18:19:42 <qole_> how do I fix my nick w/  maemo xchat?
Oct 16 18:19:52 <X-Fade>  /nick yourname
Oct 16 18:19:52 <slonopotamus> johnx, where i can find a list of all gcc-supported cpus? all these arm,  armeb, armv4t, armv5t?
Oct 16 18:19:53 <qole_> stupid _
Oct 16 18:20:11 <johnx> slonopotamus, that's a good question :)
Oct 16 18:20:13 <qole> better
Oct 16 18:20:51 <slonopotamus> johnx, maybe there's even armv6t?
Oct 16 18:21:26 <slonopotamus> johnx, and what's that 't' at all...
Oct 16 18:21:38 <johnx> "thumb" I believe
Oct 16 18:21:41 <johnx> don't quote me
Oct 16 18:21:53 <slonopotamus> ;)
Oct 16 18:22:53 <slonopotamus> i can't google the list :(
Oct 16 18:23:33 <johnx> maybe I can find something
Oct 16 18:23:35 <johnx> I saw a list once
Oct 16 18:23:50 <johnx> (and I'm waiting for builds anyways)
Oct 16 18:24:55 * lcuk bangs head on wall @ crashing nokias - why dont same devices all act the same
Oct 16 18:24:55 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/ondemand_stats.pdf - ondemand stats on how much time spent in each state (y), x (time in minutes)
Oct 16 18:25:03 <Stskeeps> johnx: kinda interesting cos 266mhz/333mhz is hardly used
Oct 16 18:25:47 <Stskeeps> (i should really do that graph with deltas
Oct 16 18:25:54 <lcuk> Stskeeps, not really, at 166 it realises it needs more oooomph so ramps right up
Oct 16 18:26:08 <lcuk> or at least a log scale
Oct 16 18:26:32 <johnx> lcuk, in your experiment with leaving it in performance mode, it didn't make much difference in idle power usage, right?
Oct 16 18:26:52 <lcuk> its not an experiment, its a way of life
Oct 16 18:26:57 <lcuk> i barely ever change down
Oct 16 18:27:00 <Stskeeps> living in the fast lane?
Oct 16 18:27:04 <Stskeeps> how's your battery performance?
Oct 16 18:27:36 <lcuk> no problems - it still very rarely dies overnight, but it has done that from day 1 and i think thats related to network chip more than anythin
Oct 16 18:27:46 <lcuk> and it lasts perfectly long enough
Oct 16 18:27:50 <johnx> Stskeeps, in idle mode the cpufreq mode doesn't really matter I believe
Oct 16 18:27:53 <lcuk> for my usage anyway
Oct 16 18:28:09 <lcuk> johnx, even at 400 the cpu sleeps
Oct 16 18:28:30 <lcuk> its only if its stuck in a 400 loop it will drain faster than if it was stuck in a 166 loop
Oct 16 18:29:08 <Stskeeps> johnx: so i guess the problem isn't cpu usage
Oct 16 18:29:09 <johnx> well, it's a different sleep then most of us are used to thinking about
Oct 16 18:29:13 <Stskeeps> i guess
Oct 16 18:29:16 <trickie> Stskeeps: not really i use it in my mamona kernel
Oct 16 18:29:23 <Stskeeps> maybe the idle vs cpu cycles will be more interesting
Oct 16 18:29:39 <johnx> Stskeeps, debian is probably full of timers
Oct 16 18:29:57 <Stskeeps> mm
Oct 16 18:29:57 <trickie> Stskeeps: you disable CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE and enable CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE
Oct 16 18:30:19 <Stskeeps> trickie: i know, though, but manual is needed to have a speedy X :P
Oct 16 18:30:55 <slonopotamus> Permissible names are: `arm2', `arm250', `arm3', `arm6', `arm60', `arm600', `arm610', `arm620', `arm7', `arm7m', `arm7d', `arm7dm', `arm7di', `arm7dmi', `arm70', `arm700', `arm700i', `arm710', `arm710c', `arm7100', `arm7500', `arm7500fe', `arm7tdmi', `arm7tdmi-s', `arm8', `strongarm', `strongarm110', `strongarm1100', `arm8', `arm810', `arm9', `arm9e', `arm920', `arm920t', `arm922t', `arm946e-s', `arm966e-s', `arm968e-s', `arm926ej-s', `arm940t', `arm9
Oct 16 18:30:56 <slonopotamus> tdmi', `arm10tdmi', `arm1020t', `arm1026ej-s', `arm10e', `arm1020e', `arm1022e', `arm1136j-s', `arm1136jf-s', `mpcore', `mpcorenovfp', `arm1176jz-s', `arm1176jzf-s', `xscale', `iwmmxt', `ep9312'.
Oct 16 18:31:11 <slonopotamus> arm cpu vendors are crazy
Oct 16 18:31:29 <solmumaha> mikkov_: dukes seem fine, only the config in sw version differs a little
Oct 16 18:31:46 <slonopotamus> which one n8x0s have?
Oct 16 18:32:03 <johnx> slonopotamus, one of the arm11
Oct 16 18:32:09 <solmumaha> mi maybe you should also change the startup script so that it tells the controls if config is not yet copied
Oct 16 18:32:37 <mikkov_> solmumaha: should I put same config to sw than in cd version?
Oct 16 18:32:46 <trickie> Stskeeps: yeah true, but if you are trying to bootstrap gentoo, i would rather  not be stuffing around and lose some X performance while i do it
Oct 16 18:32:47 <slonopotamus> johnx, i thought armv6
Oct 16 18:32:51 <solmumaha> mikkov_: yes
Oct 16 18:32:54 <trickie> Stskeeps: then enable it again
Oct 16 18:32:55 <johnx> slonopotamus, armv6 = arm11
Oct 16 18:32:57 <Stskeeps> trickie: true
Oct 16 18:33:04 <johnx> slonopotamus, don't think about it too hard
Oct 16 18:33:10 <slonopotamus> johnx, o_O
Oct 16 18:33:14 <mikkov_> solmumaha: ok I make the changes and then promote
Oct 16 18:33:24 <johnx> slonopotamus, well v is the roman numeral for five
Oct 16 18:33:28 <solmumaha> controls can be hard to figure out without the readme
Oct 16 18:33:42 <slonopotamus> johnx, you broke my mind
Oct 16 18:33:46 <johnx> slonopotamus, heh...it has to do with the difference between an instruction set and a physical CPU core I believe
Oct 16 18:33:49 <solmumaha> so can you make it come up before the config is copied?
Oct 16 18:34:27 <GeneralAntilles> armv6 is the instructionset, ARM11 is the hardware.
Oct 16 18:35:02 <johnx> I think technically the arm11 is a family of CPU designs
Oct 16 18:35:10 <GeneralAntilles> slonopotamus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores
Oct 16 18:35:19 <slonopotamus> johnx, i think arm-none-linux-gnueabi will be ok for the first try :)
Oct 16 18:37:27 <mikkov_> solmumaha: shouldn't be a problem
Oct 16 18:37:51 <slonopotamus> ahha...
Oct 16 18:38:06 <slonopotamus> ARM1136J(F)-S
Oct 16 18:38:56 <slonopotamus> to `arm1176jz-s' or to `arm1176jzf-s'... that is the question :)
Oct 16 18:39:09 <slonopotamus> jz = jazelle?
Oct 16 18:39:41 <GeneralAntilles> Wow, that didn't take tim long.
Oct 16 18:39:43 <slonopotamus> it is disabled?
Oct 16 18:40:05 <solmumaha> mikkov_: great, must remember to tell pupnik to update the itt post too, you could bump it with the extras info
Oct 16 18:40:21 <slonopotamus> GeneralAntilles, that was a joke?
Oct 16 18:40:33 <GeneralAntilles> slonopotamus?
Oct 16 18:40:42 <slonopotamus> yep?
Oct 16 18:40:53 <johnx> slonopotamus, is your name tim?
Oct 16 18:41:02 <GeneralAntilles> I sent an email to -community about the package categories, I was saying it didn't take timsamoff long to get crackin'.
Oct 16 18:41:27 <slonopotamus> hmm... i thougth it is a typo for 'him'
Oct 16 18:41:39 <slonopotamus> sorry
Oct 16 18:41:45 <johnx> I read it that way at first too :)
Oct 16 18:41:58 <johnx> I was just curious if GeneralAntilles had guessed your name
Oct 16 18:42:13 <slonopotamus> nope, he didn't
Oct 16 18:42:47 <johnx> and yes, jz probably stands for jazelle, but you can never be sure...
Oct 16 18:43:19 <slonopotamus> :) gcc opts are a great mystery
Oct 16 18:46:02 <trickie> slonopotamus: did you see http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/InternetTablets
Oct 16 18:49:20 <Stskeeps> trickie: but indeed, mamona has many interesting things
Oct 16 18:49:29 <Stskeeps> you develop on it or what did you say?
Oct 16 18:50:28 <trickie> Stskeeps: yep, prefer OE to scratchbox
Oct 16 18:51:00 <Stskeeps> oh, i meant, you work on it/develop Mamona?
Oct 16 18:51:13 <trickie> a little bit yes
Oct 16 18:51:21 <Stskeeps> okay - how's the power usage?
Oct 16 18:51:27 <trickie> made some kernel recipes and a few other small things
Oct 16 18:51:37 <Stskeeps> (on tablets)
Oct 16 18:52:07 <birunko> trickie don't be shy... you are a mamona developer! ;)
Oct 16 18:52:52 <trickie> birunko: he he well ok
Oct 16 18:53:03 <birunko> =)
Oct 16 18:53:03 <macoute_> btw. which would be the best pdf-reader for maemo?
Oct 16 18:54:00 <qole> lcuk: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/
Oct 16 18:54:21 <trickie> Stskeeps: well I do not use it as a 'day to day user' and i do not use wifi as I have a different kernel, but with some tweaks i can leave it idle for at least a few days
Oct 16 18:54:39 <GAN800> macoute, Evince or the built-in one.
Oct 16 18:55:26 <macoute_> the built-in one is terribly slow with pdf-ebooks
Oct 16 18:55:34 <macoute_> that is, bigger pdf:s
Oct 16 18:55:47 <trickie> Stskeeps: I would say it is not any worse than maemo, as it has a smaller footprint, but thats based on absolutely no research :)
Oct 16 18:55:51 <macoute_> evince would be something to test
Oct 16 18:56:03 <Stskeeps> trickie: *nod*
Oct 16 18:56:29 <Stskeeps> trickie: i'm seeing 12 hour when idle running debian (no x, no wifi, no bluetooth), so it's curious :P
Oct 16 18:56:39 <Stskeeps> but then again there might be ways to fix that
Oct 16 18:56:53 <GeneralAntilles> macoute_, I didn't have any trouble with it with Harry Potter VII
Oct 16 18:56:59 <GeneralAntilles> Admittedly that was text-only, though.
Oct 16 18:57:00 <trickie> Stskeeps: do you have a idle timeout to dim/blank display?
Oct 16 18:57:04 <Stskeeps> trickie: ofcourse
Oct 16 18:57:07 <trickie> that will suck you dry
Oct 16 18:57:15 <Stskeeps> yeah, if you don't have it obviously
Oct 16 18:57:22 <Stskeeps> we communicate with DSME to handle it for us
Oct 16 18:57:32 <macoute_> GeneralAntilles: mine are too, but they are slow... maybe a problem then with the files or something.
Oct 16 18:57:43 <trickie> Stskeeps: i don't use dsme
Oct 16 18:57:47 <macoute_> changing a page takes 3-4 seconds
Oct 16 18:57:58 <trickie> Stskeeps: but sometimes i run my own initfs also
Oct 16 18:58:10 <Stskeeps> trickie: ah, - i like dsme cos it does do some useful things once in a while :P
Oct 16 18:58:11 <trickie> Stskeeps: or boot straight to sdcard
Oct 16 18:58:21 <qole> macoute_, evince is very nice for ebooks
Oct 16 18:58:23 <Stskeeps> on tablets? how do you do that anyway?
Oct 16 18:58:30 <Stskeeps> (i heard rumour it's possible)
Oct 16 18:58:42 <GeneralAntilles> macoute_, honestly, I'd try to convert the pdfs to something FBReader can use.
Oct 16 18:58:42 <Stskeeps> so loading kernel from sd as well?
Oct 16 18:59:03 <macoute_> GeneralAntilles: is there tools for that?
Oct 16 18:59:22 <macoute_> fbreader seemed ok when i tested it
Oct 16 18:59:25 <GeneralAntilles> I don't recall what I used in the past.
Oct 16 18:59:30 <GeneralAntilles> But if you can get them to HTML. . . .
Oct 16 18:59:32 <trickie> Stskeeps: nup
Oct 16 18:59:40 <Stskeeps> ah, ok
Oct 16 18:59:50 <GeneralAntilles> FBReader will be a lot faster, better formatted and easier to navigate than any PDF reader.
Oct 16 18:59:54 <trickie> Stskeeps: nup hardcoding it in the kernel .config
Oct 16 19:00:30 <trickie> Stskeeps: gotta run, but see http://muru.com/linux/n8x0/ for more info, he is booting linux-omap, but you can do the same otherwise
Oct 16 19:01:04 <cyrus___> In scratchbox, I am trying to install pyxdg which seems to require root privleges. How do I accomplish that in scratchbox?
Oct 16 19:01:23 <johnx> cyrus___, fakeroot
Oct 16 19:01:35 <johnx> err...hmmm
Oct 16 19:01:46 <qole> Well, formatting is PDF's strong point, it can be hard work converting to good HTML for fbreader
Oct 16 19:01:48 <johnx> try fakeroot and see if that fixes it
Oct 16 19:01:50 <Stskeeps> trickie: yeah, i know all of that :P
Oct 16 19:01:55 <cyrus___> johnx - ok..thanks
Oct 16 19:02:15 <ShadowJK_> what's /sys/class/leds/cover ?
Oct 16 19:02:52 <cyrus___> johnx - still got error: could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/xdg': Permission denied
Oct 16 19:04:03 <cyrus___> johnx - i ran fakeroot and id says my uid is root, but I still can't write to that folder
Oct 16 19:04:19 * lcuk will get round to implementing pdf decoding one day
Oct 16 19:05:38 <lcuk> qole, :D heh
Oct 16 19:05:52 <johnx> cyrus___, well, it only solves the problem if you didn't really need root.
Oct 16 19:05:57 * lcuk watches you type
Oct 16 19:06:55 <RST38h> Hehehehehe
Oct 16 19:07:08 <RST38h> You know what, gentlemen? Bug #3641 is back!
Oct 16 19:07:18 <orangey> (and ladies)
Oct 16 19:07:29 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, really? drinks on me!
Oct 16 19:07:35 <RST38h> and ladies too, if I can interest any ladies at all in Modest bugs
Oct 16 19:08:18 <RST38h> qwerty: Save 'em for Modest maintainers, until they finally fix the @#$%ing bug
Oct 16 19:09:40 <qole> lcuk: hope it is ok...
Oct 16 19:10:34 * qole pleads for pdf  in liqbase 
Oct 16 19:14:10 <Stskeeps> heh
Oct 16 19:14:22 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/maemo.mapper.pdf <- APT dependancy graph for maemo mapper
Oct 16 19:14:39 <Stskeeps> (zoom in.)
Oct 16 19:14:55 <Stskeeps> and that ladies and gentlemen, is how the maemo platform looks like :P
Oct 16 19:15:24 * ShadowJK_ can't zoom in more than 400% :)
Oct 16 19:15:29 <lcuk> qole, advertise for me like that every day and ill add it :P
Oct 16 19:15:37 <RST38h> Sts: This looks like an open N810, when looking from the side
Oct 16 19:15:53 <Stskeeps> hehe
Oct 16 19:16:04 <RST38h> but yes, once you zoom in it looks like...mhmmm...maemo platform
Oct 16 19:16:34 <johnx> Stskeeps, I think I saw one of those clogging the drain once O_o
Oct 16 19:17:38 <RST38h> http://vs.fotography.ru/tmp/bla.jpg  <=== Photoshop?
Oct 16 19:18:21 <johnx> RST38h, zombie
Oct 16 19:18:46 <zap> hehe, was watching same pic now
Oct 16 19:19:05 <zap> RST38h: its not photoshop, it's real
Oct 16 19:19:42 <zap> RST38h: http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/1054/mctongue.jpg
Oct 16 19:19:53 <|rt|> I just got a n810 and was curious if anyone has sucessfully tethered it to a blackberry device via bluetooth
Oct 16 19:20:55 <zap> when it becomes oboious you're a loser, all you can do is to pretend you're a clown
Oct 16 19:22:02 <johnx> |rt|, I believe so. check on http://internettablettalk.com/forums for people who have
Oct 16 19:22:15 <johnx> zap, nah, he's just a zombie
Oct 16 19:22:29 <zap> he has to die first :)
Oct 16 19:23:14 <johnx> zap, I think he must have. if he was alive he'd be like a million years old, right?
Oct 16 19:23:59 <zap> perhaps he was killed in the Vietnam prison, and now he's a K.G.B zombie
Oct 16 19:24:11 <|rt|> johnx: thanks for the link
Oct 16 19:24:35 <|rt|> is there a pptp vpn client out there anywhere?
Oct 16 19:25:17 <|rt|> I see there's a cisco ipsec client....which I suppose I could use but we typically only use ipsec at work for perminate vpn tunnels
Oct 16 19:27:10 <RST38h> why is he sticking his tongue out so much ? =)
Oct 16 19:27:42 <RST38h> there is an alien inside, yessss, my precioussss...
Oct 16 19:27:46 <|rt|> RST38h: for the same reason that Palin can't help but say the word Maverick
Oct 16 19:28:12 <|rt|> and McCain has to start every sentence with My friend
Oct 16 19:30:21 <RST38h> Palin probably has one of those huge alien birds inside her
Oct 16 19:30:55 <RST38h> rt: Yes but only when he is angered
Oct 16 19:31:00 <lcuk> she IS one of those huge alien birds
Oct 16 19:31:12 <RST38h> looks American to me.
Oct 16 19:31:29 <lcuk> my point exactly :) from this perspective anyway
Oct 16 19:32:26 <RST38h> lcuk: Ah come on, you just have to have a local equivalent! Is there one?
Oct 16 19:33:04 <lcuk> well, now you mention it we DO have a local breed of cow that reminds me of her
Oct 16 19:33:39 <lcuk> tbh thou she reminds me kyles mum
Oct 16 19:34:11 <GeneralAntilles> Too thin.
Oct 16 19:35:09 <lcuk> yeah i suppose, but if you imagined kyles mum with more weight then it would work
Oct 16 19:36:39 <GeneralAntilles> _Kyle's_ mom with more weight? :\
Oct 16 19:58:53 <lcuk> why does sjgadsby's picture on planet look like hes shirtless  ?   *shudder*
Oct 16 19:59:09 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Oct 16 19:59:15 <qwerty12_N800> i thought the same thing 30 mins ago :p
Oct 16 19:59:17 <GeneralAntilles> I had the exact same thought when I first saw it.
Oct 16 19:59:39 <lcuk> i got to the bottom of the page and was scared
Oct 16 19:59:44 <GeneralAntilles> It's probably one of these, though: http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf8&q=red%20dirt%20shirt&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
Oct 16 19:59:58 <lcuk> the worst part is maemo crapped out and i cant click older
Oct 16 20:01:44 <lcuk> do you think i should be worried about these odd random glitches that are experienced with liqbase?
Oct 16 20:02:42 <lcuk> cos currently i feel pretty low about it - ive crashed it myself a few times, but thats just the same with big pcs and stuff
Oct 16 20:03:30 <RST38h> lcuk: you should
Oct 16 20:03:44 <RST38h> if it crashes, users will notice it and will not use it
Oct 16 20:04:05 <RST38h> you don't really want to be compared to Modest =)
Oct 16 20:04:12 <lcuk> yeah, but users crash things all the time
Oct 16 20:04:17 <lcuk> heh, im not
Oct 16 20:04:34 <lcuk> my machine crashes if i play half life for too long
Oct 16 20:05:17 <lcuk> i agree though RST38h and ive worked around or removed everything i can now - the silly coding mistakes that segfault are one thing
Oct 16 20:05:48 <lcuk> but its when x itself craps out and locks up - when im simply rendering bitmaps
Oct 16 20:06:07 <GeneralAntilles> Then go file a bug report. :P
Oct 16 20:06:14 <lcuk> nothin i can do in code, nothin i can do to continue
Oct 16 20:06:18 <lcuk> heh GeneralAntilles i agree
Oct 16 20:06:50 <lcuk> and on that score GeneralAntilles once i am as certain as possible its not my code i will be filing
Oct 16 20:06:53 <melmoth> regular app should not be allowed to kill X, shouldn they ?
Oct 16 20:06:59 <lcuk> its like xv when rotated has a bug
Oct 16 20:07:07 <lcuk> melmoth, no but it can do
Oct 16 20:07:37 <melmoth> ideally, building a small test case before filing a bug
Oct 16 20:07:55 <lcuk> heh, if i can reproduce it i can do something
Oct 16 20:08:19 <lcuk> but when i run the exact same code tohusands (millions) of times over the last few months and nothing has reproduced itself how can i do that
Oct 16 20:08:26 <melmoth> talking about crash and stuff.. i am afraid there is no way to use gdb and stuff on the scratchbox sdk in armel.
Oct 16 20:08:38 <bef0rd> yep, I've noticed that latest liqbase is a bit unstable compared with the previous version
Oct 16 20:08:40 <melmoth> are you able to catche core on the tablet ? and use them ?
Oct 16 20:09:24 <lcuk> bef0rd, agreed - its not crapping out on first unknown error anymore and is trying to be more of a hildon app, if you can be more specific i should be able to cure it
Oct 16 20:10:21 <lcuk> that is something brand new and known to be not 100% yet
Oct 16 20:10:40 <RST38h> lcuk: If you manage to fuck up X11, then you are doing something wrong =)
Oct 16 20:11:04 <melmoth> no, that s spotting a X bug, that s good news.
Oct 16 20:11:39 <melmoth> that is..if somebody can do something about it :)
Oct 16 20:11:40 <lcuk> RST38h, im not - and its not reproducable, but very rarely i get an error and it freezes, in a few weeks if i reproduce it ill save you the error
Oct 16 20:11:46 <bef0rd> lcuk, i've got two crash at least, the screen went black and got no response
Oct 16 20:12:13 <lcuk> and since x shouts on stderr it wont be in the log
Oct 16 20:14:19 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps ?
Oct 16 20:14:23 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: mm?
Oct 16 20:14:53 <suihkulokki> I'm cleaning 0xffff for debian inclusion
Oct 16 20:15:16 <lcuk> RST38h, this is the type of error it raises when it completely locks (this is not the specific one i just did a google on the keywords)
Oct 16 20:15:16 <lcuk> X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
Oct 16 20:15:16 <lcuk> Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XVideo)
Oct 16 20:15:16 <lcuk> Minor opcode of failed request: 17 ()
Oct 16 20:15:20 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: alright, sounds good
Oct 16 20:15:33 <suihkulokki> as the first package in main dir :P
Oct 16 20:15:49 <lcuk> yet it has been running happily for hours prior to this and continues to run happily afterwards
Oct 16 20:16:51 <RST38h> Is 2008.38 available for update?
Oct 16 20:17:14 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: so the question remains how to manage the process
Oct 16 20:18:08 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: i have no particular interest in 0xffff, atleast - if we make interesting packages, clean up, mention deblet somewhere, retain copyright of package with your copyright notice addition, then i'm fine with it
Oct 16 20:18:29 <RST38h> lcuk: Oh I know what it is
Oct 16 20:18:33 <Stskeeps> (i'm a bsd license person, so as long as i'm credited, i'm fine)
Oct 16 20:18:51 <lcuk> enlighten me then
Oct 16 20:18:54 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: well, 0xffff is just a example packaging in this case
Oct 16 20:18:55 <lcuk> please :$
Oct 16 20:18:58 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: yep
Oct 16 20:19:00 <suihkulokki> just needed to start somewhere ;)
Oct 16 20:19:15 <suihkulokki> so eventually we want everything in debian
Oct 16 20:19:24 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Oct 16 20:19:31 <Stskeeps> we'll see - some of the packages are direct hacks
Oct 16 20:19:37 <Stskeeps> but this is fun working with anyway
Oct 16 20:19:47 <Stskeeps> you having it in sid/lenny just lessens our bw load ;)
Oct 16 20:20:00 <RST38h> lcuk: You are making some XVideo API call and provide bad image attributes
Oct 16 20:20:14 <RST38h> lcuk: Should I look up those numbers?
Oct 16 20:20:22 <lcuk> but i dont ever change the attributes and it works for MANY thousands of millions of calls
Oct 16 20:20:25 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: just as long as i don't get into any discussions with debian-legal, had enough of those :P
Oct 16 20:20:28 <lcuk> no, thats NOT the actual error
Oct 16 20:20:42 <lcuk> ill store it when it happens again - like i said , its happened just a couple of times
Oct 16 20:21:21 <lcuk> that was the type of error and i just remembered seeing the major and minor opcode bits
Oct 16 20:22:08 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: well d-l should be irrelevant for all the main/contrib packages
Oct 16 20:22:14 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Oct 16 20:22:26 <Stskeeps> i've tried to put them into main/contrib after guidelines atleast
Oct 16 20:22:37 <lcuk> i would understand if i changed the way i called it and got a reproducable failure - (like i get if i try to only update part of the xv plane) - but this just fails on the spot - i never worried about it cos i remember reading something about it from the original "sdl tearing mplayer" thread thingy
Oct 16 20:22:42 <RST38h> lcuk: this means that the context of that call execution somehow changes
Oct 16 20:22:48 <RST38h> lcuk: And you have to check for it somehow
Oct 16 20:23:01 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: i'm just happy developing and making interesting things - so just pull upstream whatever you find interesting :)
Oct 16 20:23:52 <Stskeeps> then when the package is availiable in unstable or the likes, we pull from our repo, and so on (i prefer to stay on lenny base for now as .. unstable did funny things while we developed)
Oct 16 20:24:12 <lcuk> RST38h, all i can do is check the result of the 1 call made to XvShmPutImage, which i do, but the error has occured and locked
Oct 16 20:24:16 <lcuk> before that returns
Oct 16 20:24:19 <lcuk> so i can never check it
Oct 16 20:24:34 <lcuk> brb
Oct 16 20:24:57 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: well I'd prefer you guys would still keep maintaining them in after they get into debian
Oct 16 20:25:08 <suihkulokki> I have to mentor but not so much to maintain
Oct 16 20:25:10 <RST38h> lcuk: Ok, so you are doing ShmPutImage
Oct 16 20:25:11 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Oct 16 20:25:17 <Stskeeps> alright, then deblet repo would serve as development ground i guess :P
Oct 16 20:25:21 <RST38h> and that call fails?
Oct 16 20:25:29 <suihkulokki> yeah, that's fine
Oct 16 20:25:32 <Stskeeps> i will take patches gladly (and if you want svn commit, you're more than welcome)
Oct 16 20:25:56 <suihkulokki> do you have a mailing list?
Oct 16 20:26:10 <lcuk> RST38h, no, somewhere within that call it outputs that message and locks
Oct 16 20:26:24 <lcuk> but only once in a bluemoon
Oct 16 20:26:43 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: for commits? no, just trac's timeline / rss, - most discussions happen here on irc or on ITT
Oct 16 20:26:46 <lcuk> and i call it the same every time
Oct 16 20:26:47 <RST38h> lcuk: X11 receives that call (remember, it is client server architecture) and fails to execute it
Oct 16 20:26:57 <RST38h> lcuk: Because it has been doing something else at that moment
Oct 16 20:27:26 * moontiger wonders where she can send a SQL Scripting For Dummies book so the maemo.org guys can learn how to do databases
Oct 16 20:27:36 <moontiger> so slow ... always so slow
Oct 16 20:27:46 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: well something to drop as the maintainer address
Oct 16 20:28:48 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: set deblet@tspre.org
Oct 16 20:29:20 <lcuk> RST38h, thats all well and good, but any idea how to prevent it?
Oct 16 20:29:28 <lcuk> do i need to obtain a lock around it or something?
Oct 16 20:38:50 <GeneralAntilles> moontiger, the server move is still in progress. . . .
Oct 16 20:39:44 <Stskeeps> wasn't this supposed to be done months ago? :P
Oct 16 20:40:12 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, the Finnish summer vacation pushed things back a lot.
Oct 16 20:40:20 <GeneralAntilles> More like weeks ago realistically.
Oct 16 20:47:34 <cyrus___> when connecting my n810 to desktop computer through USB, only the internal memory card shows up. Anyone know why?
Oct 16 20:48:06 <Stskeeps> cyrus___: maybe external card is in use
Oct 16 20:48:12 <macoute_> cloned os?
Oct 16 20:48:18 <Stskeeps> or that
Oct 16 20:48:27 <cyrus___> Stskeeps - no..I just rebooted it
Oct 16 20:48:37 <macoute_> and no cloned os?
Oct 16 20:48:43 <Stskeeps> metacrawler crawling in places it shouldnt? :P
Oct 16 20:48:49 <macoute_> can you use it normally?
Oct 16 20:49:01 <cyrus___> cloned os? - not sure what you mean by that
Oct 16 20:49:07 <cyrus___> yes I can
Oct 16 20:50:03 <macoute_> cyrus___: then you prolly dont have it :)
Oct 16 20:53:19 <moontiger> GeneralAntilles, really?? it takes me an hour to set up a web server from start to end
Oct 16 20:53:32 <GeneralAntilles> moontiger, yeah, one server.
Oct 16 20:53:50 <moontiger> they have more than one?
Oct 16 20:53:54 <GeneralAntilles> Lots more
Oct 16 20:54:01 <moontiger> a cluster of n770's?? wow! ;)
Oct 16 20:54:02 <GeneralAntilles> They also have lots and lots of heavy applications
Oct 16 20:54:25 <GeneralAntilles> Bugzilla, the wiki, Garage, Midgard, Downloads, the mailing lists, the repositories, etc, etc.
Oct 16 20:54:35 <moontiger> why dont they just have the web server running on its own as a web server?
Oct 16 20:55:10 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, think whatever you want, it's not a simple thing. :)
Oct 16 20:55:51 <moontiger> im not saying it is but i have written and maintained a few large websites and they were a lot faster with a lot less hardware
Oct 16 20:55:51 <moontiger> just puzzling is all
Oct 16 20:56:04 <GeneralAntilles> As large as maemo.org? and with as many services?
Oct 16 20:56:08 <GeneralAntilles> I somehow doubt it.
Oct 16 20:56:24 <moontiger> well 2 load balanced apache servers talking to a video server and a db server
Oct 16 20:56:43 <moontiger> serving over 1tb of video each month to close on 500k uniques
Oct 16 20:57:13 <moontiger> and an average of 15million page views per month
Oct 16 20:57:17 <moontiger> so not trivial
Oct 16 20:58:05 <GeneralAntilles> The stuff running maemo.org _is_ open source, I'm sure they'd be happy to have additional help. :)
Oct 16 21:00:42 <moontiger> i would be happy to help :)
Oct 16 21:01:02 <moontiger> im not saying im some big expert or anything ... just i have built and run sites bigger than mycat.com
Oct 16 21:07:28 <Stskeeps> mycat.. pornsite or cat site, .. good question
Oct 16 21:09:23 <macoute_> lets test
Oct 16 21:09:38 <macoute_> Access Forbidden - pornsite
Oct 16 21:10:10 <lcuk> heh, firefox saying "waiting for mycat.com"   - i wait for mycat as well and the lazy fecker just sits outside the front door meowing
Oct 16 21:10:26 <macoute_> GeneralAntilles: is maemo large?
Oct 16 21:10:41 <macoute_> how many page loads you have a day?
Oct 16 21:11:30 <lcuk> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://mycat.com
Oct 16 21:11:36 <Pavlov>  /win 47
Oct 16 21:12:02 <macoute_> lcuk: not in archive?
Oct 16 21:12:10 <lcuk> macoute_, its not the page loads, its the underlying CMS thats simply outgrown its design spec and is running lots of things it really shouldnt have to but has ended up doing
Oct 16 21:12:11 <macoute_> oh, found
Oct 16 21:13:06 <macoute_> lcuk: well, even the worst CMS should manage some pageloads a day, so it surely is about the page loads :)
Oct 16 21:13:14 * lcuk throws more iron at the problem
Oct 16 21:13:36 <lcuk> macoute_, yes, it handles its core audience of 3 perfectly
Oct 16 21:13:43 <lcuk> it just doesnt scale very well beyond that
Oct 16 21:14:05 <macoute_> lcuk: you are talking about midgard?
Oct 16 21:14:27 <lcuk> yes, maemo.org runs midguard on an n770 according to legend
Oct 16 21:15:30 <macoute_> midgard should scale ok
Oct 16 21:15:50 <macoute_> as i think that maemo.org is not that big site after all
Oct 16 21:16:02 <macoute_> tablets never were a box office hit :)
Oct 16 21:16:19 <lcuk> its all in progress anyway, i think this discussion occured last year something
Oct 16 21:21:40 <mgedmin> so, is liqbase in extras-devel yet?
Oct 16 21:22:31 <lcuk_inshed> no mgedmin, i only just added support for osso and handling events properly, they need a bit of ironing out first.  it is available from liqbase.net though
Oct 16 21:22:59 <lcuk_inshed> or is that the point of -devel?
Oct 16 21:23:03 <lcuk_inshed> :D
Oct 16 21:23:28 <mgedmin> that's my interpretation of -devel: beta stuff
Oct 16 21:24:09 <RST38h> devel should be ok for it already
Oct 16 21:26:06 <lcuk_inshed> RST38h, i really want to sort out the x11 event handling first and get the first run experience nice and smooth.  as soon as thats done it will be in -devel
Oct 16 21:27:24 <lcuk_inshed> but i will trust your judgement on one condition ;) install and run it yourself and tell me then if you think i should
Oct 16 21:37:18 <GAN800> lcuk_inshed, does it cause massive data loss?
Oct 16 21:38:05 <lcuk_inshed> the most ive ever lost is an inprogress hyper detailed rendition of a human being.  or to put it bluntly, it crashed when i was drawin a stick man
Oct 16 21:38:28 <lcuk_inshed> no GAN800 it doesnt
Oct 16 21:38:35 <GeneralAntilles> Then it's ready for Extras-devel.
Oct 16 21:40:54 <mgedmin> so, no uploading yourself into the tablet for the time being
Oct 16 21:41:43 <lcuk_inshed> heh mgedmin im not afraid of uploading into the tablet, its when i escape and run amokck on the wider internet
Oct 16 21:41:43 <lcuk_inshed> http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php
Oct 16 21:41:44 <GK^LKA> ave
Oct 16 21:43:19 <GK^LKA> can i ask some lame questions about installing and setting up the maemo 4.1.1 sdk?
Oct 16 21:43:59 <GK^LKA> the documentation mentions some rootstraps
Oct 16 21:44:13 <GK^LKA> but I can't find any for diablo
Oct 16 21:44:28 <GK^LKA> where can i find them?
Oct 16 21:45:47 <mgedmin> have you looked on maemo.org?
Oct 16 21:45:55 <lcuk_inshed> have you tried following the instructions
Oct 16 21:45:57 <mgedmin> ... which is still unbelievably slow :(
Oct 16 21:46:08 <GK^LKA> of course, but there aren't any links in the sdk's page
Oct 16 21:46:19 <mgedmin> didn't it get a new more powerful server recently?
Oct 16 21:46:28 <lcuk_inshed> which instructions are you reading
Oct 16 21:46:39 <GK^LKA> yes, i'm following what's written in the maemo diablo reference man 4.1 pdf
Oct 16 21:46:44 <lcuk_inshed> mgedmin, not yet live
Oct 16 21:46:52 <lcuk_inshed> http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html    so you arent following this one
Oct 16 21:46:59 <mgedmin> maemo.org is down again, according to http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org
Oct 16 21:47:01 <lcuk_inshed> or is that a different thing
Oct 16 21:47:09 <mgedmin> maemo-sdk is an experimental half-working thing
Oct 16 21:47:13 <mgedmin> it's not the official sdk
Oct 16 21:47:21 <mgedmin> shame about the name similarity
Oct 16 21:47:23 <GK^LKA> then what's the offical sdk?
Oct 16 21:47:50 <GK^LKA> to tell you the truth i need only a working php+webserver combo for my n810
Oct 16 21:47:52 <mgedmin> GK^LKA: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.1/INSTALL.txt
Oct 16 21:48:08 <GK^LKA> so the sdk is for compiling some php+lighttpd
Oct 16 21:48:25 <lcuk_inshed> mgedmin, ahhh i just noticed that, SDK+...
Oct 16 21:48:28 <mgedmin> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/#sdk_releases has a broken link to the release notes
Oct 16 21:48:31 <mgedmin> boo, nokia webmasters, boo!
Oct 16 21:48:35 <GK^LKA> mgedmin: yes, this guide is the other thing i've seen
Oct 16 21:48:47 <GK^LKA> i've installed the sdk with the given shell script
Oct 16 21:48:50 <mgedmin> GK^LKA: the official SDK is a pain to install, but it works
Oct 16 21:49:03 <mgedmin> the SDK+ is easy to install (if you've got debian/ubuntu), but it's not fully functional
Oct 16 21:49:16 <mgedmin> e.g. last time I checked you could not apt-get install additional -dev packages inside the scratchbox
Oct 16 21:49:16 <GK^LKA> then which one is which?
Oct 16 21:49:24 <mgedmin> the official SDK is on tablets-dev.nokia.com
Oct 16 21:49:39 <mgedmin> the unofficial new one based on scratchbox 2 is maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org
Oct 16 21:49:51 <GK^LKA> hm, i've not realized that there are two different sdks until you told :)
Oct 16 21:50:00 <mgedmin> you were looking for the 4.1 rootstrap, right?
Oct 16 21:50:02 <RST38h> still cant afaik
Oct 16 21:50:05 <mgedmin> according to my notes it's at http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.1_armel.tgz
Oct 16 21:50:05 <GK^LKA> then I've got the offical one
Oct 16 21:50:14 <GK^LKA> thanks
Oct 16 21:50:15 <mgedmin> although I suppose the INSTALL.txt has that url
Oct 16 21:50:35 <mgedmin> I like this shorter set of instructions for installing the sdk: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/
Oct 16 21:50:47 <GK^LKA> hm, sure
Oct 16 21:50:49 <mgedmin> lets you have multiple maemo SDK versions in a single scratchbox
Oct 16 21:50:54 <GK^LKA> sorry, i didn't see it
Oct 16 21:50:54 <GK^LKA> :)
Oct 16 21:52:03 <GK^LKA> then i'm following this txt further, and after compiling some test files I'll be back for asking help to compile lighttpd :)
Oct 16 22:41:36 <AStorm> hmm
Oct 16 22:41:46 <AStorm> where I can get a log of maemo-mapper's updates?
Oct 16 22:43:13 <GeneralAntilles> .deb?
Oct 16 22:43:19 <GeneralAntilles> Or the garage project.
Oct 16 23:58:43 * Stskeeps ponders idly what to use his dead-battery ipaq 3630 for, with familiar on it
Oct 17 00:00:26 <GeneralAntilles> Stick it by the couch as a remote?
Oct 17 00:01:55 <Stskeeps> possible. but i don't have a tv :>
Oct 17 00:02:22 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Oct 17 00:02:24 <GeneralAntilles> Buy one!
Oct 17 00:03:50 <Stskeeps> you can say much about old machines and stuff.. but familiar actually runs bloody fast O_o, same with wince :P
Oct 17 00:08:28 <johnx> Stskeeps, which interface? gpe or opie?
Oct 17 00:08:31 <glass> news etc photoframe?
Oct 17 00:09:32 <Stskeeps> johnx: gpe
Oct 17 00:10:09 <Stskeeps> opie better or?
Oct 17 00:10:46 <johnx> opie's faster, but less useful to me on a 640x480
Oct 17 00:10:56 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Oct 17 00:12:26 <Stskeeps> i got like 2x ipaq 3630 for like, what, 21$, with a stoaway kbd, charger + usb charger cable, and one CF jacket
Oct 17 00:12:30 <Stskeeps> (21 in total)
Oct 17 00:12:35 <Stskeeps> think that was a pretty decent buy
Oct 17 00:12:49 <Stskeeps> one of the ipaq has a shot battery, the other one functions fine and my gf will get that :P
Oct 17 00:13:17 <woglinde> Stskeeps yes
Oct 17 00:13:24 <johnx> Stskeeps, rss ticker?
Oct 17 00:14:07 <Stskeeps> johnx: possibly
Oct 17 00:14:13 <woglinde> ah nice
Oct 17 00:14:26 <woglinde> uclibc now compiles with --hash-style
Oct 17 00:14:28 <Stskeeps> probably need another usb cable though
Oct 17 01:08:44 <mdg> Hello!
Oct 17 01:09:43 <johnx> hi
Oct 17 01:10:07 <mdg>   any 770 users here tonight?
Oct 17 01:11:48 <mdg>   hi johnx!
Oct 17 01:19:13 <mgedmin> my 770 is far far away
Oct 17 01:19:26 <johnx> so is mdg, it appears
Oct 17 01:19:48 <mgedmin> nooo! don't touch my 770, mdg!
Oct 17 01:49:57 <orangey> hey all!
Oct 17 01:50:07 <orangey> when I plug in the maemo, it gives me a removable drive.
Oct 17 01:50:15 <orangey> but I can't access that drive from the file manager.
Oct 17 01:50:20 <orangey> how can I see it?
Oct 17 01:52:10 <johnx> you say "when I plug in the maemo." Do you mean plug the tablet into a computer? or plug a usb hard drive or flash drive into the tablet?
Oct 17 01:53:25 <orangey> plug the n810 into a computer
Oct 17 01:53:49 <johnx> what you see is the contents of "Internal Memory Card" or whatever it's called
Oct 17 01:53:59 <johnx> you should be able to see it in file manager
Oct 17 01:54:11 <moontiger> what operating system ?
Oct 17 01:54:34 <orangey> ubuntu or XP (I'm using a virtualized XP to play with Garnet VM)
Oct 17 01:54:58 <orangey> I guess one question is why the file manager refuses to show me /
Oct 17 01:55:08 <moontiger> in ubuntu it *might* not be mounting as read / write
Oct 17 01:55:09 <johnx> to protect you from yourself :)
Oct 17 01:55:19 <johnx> you can see "Internal Card" in the file manager, right?
Oct 17 01:55:34 <moontiger> heh he wants to see /
Oct 17 01:55:53 <moontiger> u can with sshfs
Oct 17 01:56:00 <johnx> moontiger, I'm still responding to his earlier question
Oct 17 01:56:05 <moontiger> oh sorry
Oct 17 01:56:08 <moontiger> :|
Oct 17 01:56:20 <johnx> it's fine :)
Oct 17 01:56:35 <moontiger> :)
Oct 17 01:56:45 <orangey> aha!
Oct 17 01:56:50 <orangey> I wasn't seeing the internal memory card
Oct 17 01:57:01 <orangey> but I did see it once I unmounted and unplugged
Oct 17 01:57:14 <johnx> yeah, it's not there while the device is plugged in
Oct 17 01:57:36 <johnx> can't have the same fs mounted by two devices
Oct 17 01:58:57 <johnx> well you could, as long as it was read-only in both places
Oct 17 02:01:21 <moontiger> johnx, can u mount it read only in more than one place?
Oct 17 02:02:04 <johnx> as long as both places mount it read-only I don't see why it would be a problem, but I'm not sure if linux lets you do that
Oct 17 02:05:38 * moontiger goes back to php
Oct 17 02:09:09 <derf> johnx: Linux lets you do that.
Oct 17 02:09:22 <johnx> ah, ok. neat :D
Oct 17 02:09:29 <derf> Linux lets you mount it two places rw, if you really want to.
Oct 17 02:10:06 <johnx> huh
Oct 17 02:10:24 <johnx> I guess if it lets you fsck a mounted an fs it might as well let you do that...
Oct 17 02:10:48 <derf> Linux figures you're a big boy. If you want to hose your data, who is it to argue?
Oct 17 02:11:32 <johnx> "...and here's enough rope to hang yourself."
Oct 17 02:13:21 <mgedmin> you have to convince the fsck to give you the rope, though
Oct 17 02:13:29 <derf> Not exactly the same situation, but for example vmware opens all of the partitions on your drive rw, and then uses software controls to determine which ones to make available to the guest OS.
Oct 17 02:13:47 <derf> I don't know why it _needs_ to do this, but it can.
Oct 17 02:14:15 <johnx> heh...I wonder what the comment in their code looks like for that section
Oct 17 02:14:27 <johnx> / IT WOULD BE BAD IF WE MESS UP HERE
Oct 17 02:14:28 <derf> And then it's up to you to make sure you don't configure it to expose a drive you've got mounted rw in the host.
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