**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 19 02:59:56 2008 Oct 19 03:39:36 night Oct 19 03:50:48 well Oct 19 03:50:57 ldap = fail Oct 19 03:51:17 heh, I was there once too. Oct 19 03:51:34 I remember thinking "And this is the *lightweight* DAP?" Oct 19 03:51:43 i gave up on it Oct 19 03:51:44 :) Oct 19 03:51:52 then again.. i couldn't get nis working either Oct 19 03:51:57 so i guess i just fail in general Oct 19 03:52:08 NIS is easier, but old and crufty Oct 19 03:52:12 now nis... that should have just worked Oct 19 03:52:18 i know Oct 19 03:52:22 then i tried kerberos Oct 19 03:52:27 yes.. fail again Oct 19 03:52:32 what are you trying to do? Oct 19 03:52:40 make an auth server Oct 19 03:52:47 so i can add users to just 1 machine Oct 19 03:52:48 for work? home network? Oct 19 03:52:52 and the rest auth from it Oct 19 03:52:54 home Oct 19 03:53:16 was going to use my n800 w/deblet as my httpd :-D Oct 19 03:53:23 (just kidding) Oct 19 03:53:36 although it probably would make for a good dns Oct 19 03:53:40 heh...I ran an inet accessible wiki on my zaurus for a while Oct 19 03:54:08 but yeah... I = fail for all the methods i tried Oct 19 03:54:18 i fucked up one box with nis so bad i had to re-install fbsd on it :) Oct 19 03:54:47 don't ask me how but root seemed to have disappeared when i added the +:*::::: stuff to the passwd/grp files Oct 19 03:55:10 and i couldn't even get the client to auth off of the server Oct 19 03:55:12 how lame Oct 19 03:55:32 and kerberos... i simply don't understand the concept of how it is supposed to be an auth server Oct 19 03:55:52 it seems like encryption encapsulation for other services Oct 19 03:56:37 but ldap is a joke.. there is no fucking way that was meant to be easy.. i think it was designed with IT job security in mind Oct 19 03:57:28 like ... why are all the auth servers so old? nis ... ldap... and kerberos are dusty.. why hasn't anybody made something newer that runs a simple static daemon for such things? Oct 19 03:57:51 i mean.. cmon.. ldap came from x.500... which was used for phone services in the 80s :) Oct 19 03:58:27 ok ... that's my rant for the day.. i have to get back to fixing this fbsd box Oct 19 04:14:49 Macer, maybe you want Windows Domain Service (or whatever the hell they call it these days) Oct 19 05:27:31 lcuk: So you're telling me that the Northerner message actually got put in the source package and was uploaded to extras? Oct 19 05:48:16 qwerty12, yesh Oct 19 05:48:39 shit, I thought you removed that? :P Oct 19 05:49:01 * qwerty12 grins widely at people accepting northerns are dodgy Oct 19 05:49:03 http://lj.karlson.ru/Canada/Richmond/elevator.jpg Oct 19 05:49:08 And ehlo to you all, too Oct 19 05:49:14 hi RST38h Oct 19 05:49:18 m00f RST38h Oct 19 05:50:01 RST38h, heh...I can actually explain the elevator thing if you don't know :) Oct 19 05:50:51 johnx: I do know, but they skipped 3 (three) floors because of that! Oct 19 05:50:59 i did Oct 19 05:52:02 It was you who left preinst.qwerty12 there :P Oct 19 05:52:29 RST38h, they're either just misnumbered or "service/storage" floors :P Oct 19 05:53:12 yes and thats still there Oct 19 05:53:19 johnx: nah, it appears that 14 also does not sound very nice in Chinese Oct 19 05:53:27 * GAN800 needs to get qwerty12 svn access to more places. :P Oct 19 05:53:56 johnx: and 13 is a problem with those ...mmm...how they call them?... white caucasians! =) Oct 19 05:54:07 Heh, I suck at svn anyway :P. I did some dodgy import for dannym with 3g modem Oct 19 05:54:39 qwerty12, woglinde got me over the hump, but in doing so reconfigured the existing preinst stuff (which existed for some reason when he grabbed from svn) Oct 19 05:55:07 and postinst.. Oct 19 05:55:15 prerm? Oct 19 05:55:20 The preinst was the best Oct 19 05:55:20 anyway, its gone now Oct 19 05:55:27 there was a prerm, but that was harmless Oct 19 05:55:29 extras-devel contains 0.1.3 Oct 19 05:55:36 the prerm wasnt harmless Oct 19 05:55:40 it wanted to delete stuff Oct 19 05:55:46 prerminstposterr Oct 19 05:55:48 But it asked :P Oct 19 05:55:57 in a EULA box Oct 19 05:56:23 its done anyway and gone Oct 19 05:56:29 Those boxes are actually used for messages as well. I put them in as examples if you wanted to use them Oct 19 05:56:37 ive now uploaded to extras so often now i can do it with my eyes shut Oct 19 05:57:13 uploading to chinook sucks Oct 19 05:57:17 qwerty12, not your fault at all, as ive said in the past you managed to get me a baseline deb Oct 19 05:57:43 Heh :), I should have done better. I failed you master! Oct 19 05:57:51 lol Oct 19 05:58:43 eww, I'm tempted to try out an linux-omap kernel with the opensource wireless driver just to see if it gets my torrent speeds higher than 10 Kb/s Oct 19 05:58:57 umgh Oct 19 05:59:07 That'll be interesting Oct 19 05:59:46 that's weird...I get higher torrent speeds Oct 19 06:00:03 So do I Oct 19 06:00:04 qwerty12, you sure the problem isn't router-side? Oct 19 06:00:31 johnx: yep, ports are open and everything Oct 19 06:00:44 It could be a shit torrent Oct 19 06:01:08 qwerty12, err...but QoS or full NAT table or similar. Also, how many concurrent connections are you allowing on the tablet? Oct 19 06:01:43 BTW, would anyone be willing to port LinuxDC++ to the tablet? Oct 19 06:02:27 johnx: I know QoS is disabled on the router (via checking with its funky telnet interface) and Transmission is set to 50 peers per torrent. I've also got some sysctl.conf changes on here too. Oct 19 06:02:28 I know this thing is not as popular as torrents, but the client looks nice (and, more importantly, DC++ is used in our community network) Oct 19 06:02:54 RST38h: Someone's compiled a command line DC++ client Oct 19 06:03:31 qwerty: isn't much useful for searching etc., especially with n810 keyboard :( Oct 19 06:03:52 I used to use DC++ time ago until the hub op's went overboard with how much you have to share Oct 19 06:03:55 ah :( Oct 19 06:04:01 * RST38h kind of hopes to make movie watching tablet-only experience =) Oct 19 06:04:24 click on the movie -> wait -> watch -> discard Oct 19 06:04:34 * lcuk was a regular dc user (original client) Oct 19 06:04:45 the original client sucked Oct 19 06:04:55 the original .NET client still sucks Oct 19 06:05:11 wasnt the client, it was the scene - obviously the hubs you connect to mattered Oct 19 06:05:34 * lcuk hasnt spoken to a load of mates in ages now Oct 19 06:05:36 hmm Oct 19 06:06:11 Yea, but this part is no problem here: most guys inside ultranet.ru do not mind leechers :) Oct 19 06:06:39 It is 100Mbd inside the network, after all Oct 19 06:06:53 emma has been bouncing in and out for hours now Oct 19 06:06:57 I think I used it a few times for some old ass dreamcast games Oct 19 06:07:07 emma has been bouncing in and out for hours now Oct 19 06:07:12 bouncy dead emma Oct 19 06:07:44 * RST38h wonders if she is any relative of Eliza Oct 19 06:10:48 Dumbest comment ever: .text #enables text input / output, kind of like String.h in C++ Oct 19 06:11:39 gnite again Oct 19 06:12:27 see ya lcuk Oct 19 06:14:27 bye, lcuk Oct 19 06:52:26 RST38h: Did a straight compile, segfaults when entering nick :P Oct 19 06:53:12 is there a games initiative for n8x0? Oct 19 06:53:20 * Stskeeps yawns Oct 19 06:54:01 qwerty: Ehh... Oct 19 06:54:08 ehhh Oct 19 06:54:17 qwerty: But definitely thanks =) Oct 19 06:54:28 what games initiative? Oct 19 06:54:32 :) Oct 19 06:54:57 woot, /dev/sda5 34G 32G 253M 100% / Oct 19 06:58:43 The End Oct 19 08:06:10 * RST38h seems to have tamed the MIPS Oct 19 09:23:06 qwerty12: bored? could you do me a favour and see if bootmenu svn builds in scratchbox with dpkg-buildpackage? Oct 19 09:23:24 k Oct 19 09:23:39 (the one on garage) Oct 19 09:23:52 I know. Oct 19 09:24:30 i think you'd actually do a better job at being a buildbot than extras builder ;> Oct 19 09:25:29 Builds fine Oct 19 09:25:33 good Oct 19 09:25:48 then i'll post on bootmenu list asking fanoush what his opinion would be on moving it to extras Oct 19 09:27:00 (-devel) Oct 19 09:31:43 * qwerty12 debates about putting rott in there. It works fine, just that using touchscreen is a little weird Oct 19 09:34:49 qwerty12: ta, wheels starting to move regarding bootmenu then :P Oct 19 09:34:57 cool :) Oct 19 09:35:22 Stskeeps, have you tried to build many hildonized apps against upstream gtk? Oct 19 09:35:43 johnx: not that many, but the usual suspect is stuff like hildon_im_ Oct 19 09:36:14 got osso_application_set_exit_cb :/ Oct 19 09:36:14 johnx: btw beware, i took out u-m packages from repo (i have them in a directory still though) Oct 19 09:36:16 maemopad+ Oct 19 09:36:28 isn't that a -losso? Oct 19 09:36:43 errr...maybe? Oct 19 09:36:46 johnx: because i can easily make a nit-env-hildon with debian packages, which i think we should bases on instead Oct 19 09:37:04 I'm building on OE right now cause it's faster Oct 19 09:37:05 as we have a little closer cooperation with pkg-maemo and u-m just seems.. broken atm Oct 19 09:37:12 k Oct 19 09:37:37 osso_application_set_exit_cb is deprecated Oct 19 09:37:55 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/028187.html Oct 19 09:38:01 ah, and I'm on new versions of hildon :/ Oct 19 09:39:30 gah...maybe your chroot-maemo idea is a better direction Oct 19 09:39:46 so far i haven't managed to get it going though Oct 19 09:39:51 or the LD_LIBRARY_PATH Oct 19 09:40:20 i'd incline towards LD_LIBRARY_PATH but i have no clue how to make it work without nasty deb packaging hacks Oct 19 09:40:25 I might look at it later...I really wanted this more universal/source-based to help the 770/zaurus guys without vfp Oct 19 09:40:36 yeah Oct 19 09:40:46 LD_LIBRARY_PATH would make it more source based though Oct 19 09:41:16 a little bit, the we could just recompile the app without -mvfp Oct 19 09:41:29 s/the/then/ Oct 19 09:41:30 johnx meant: a little bit, then we could just recompile the app without -mvfp Oct 19 09:42:43 *nod* but would probably also need a CFLAGS=-I/usr/include/maemo-gtk or something Oct 19 09:43:34 that's easy enough to add though Oct 19 09:44:05 i wonder if we just need to put maemo gtk libs and includes in a different dir and just do -L/usr/lib/otherdir really Oct 19 09:44:10 in LDFLAGS Oct 19 09:44:53 so a custom maemo gtk package Oct 19 10:18:49 hello, has anyone here already compiled and flashed a home-made kernel to their nokia tablet? Oct 19 10:19:03 yep Oct 19 10:19:04 lots of people :) Oct 19 10:19:09 * qwerty12 included Oct 19 10:19:11 good :-) Oct 19 10:20:05 before i go, i wanted to make sure about the precautionary steps in case the device doesn't even start. how would I then go about restoring a nokia-certified kernel? Oct 19 10:20:49 Oh, the linux flasher can reflash a kernel without reflashing the entire device. Actually getting the nokia kernel image is a little tricky... Oct 19 10:20:54 I'll get it for you, wait a min Oct 19 10:21:17 What version is your tablet? Oct 19 10:21:22 is the so-called "feature upgrade" package not a full kernel? Oct 19 10:21:38 It comes with an kernel upgrade Oct 19 10:22:18 what version is your tablet? Oct 19 10:22:19 N810 OS2008 4.2008.36-5 Oct 19 10:22:24 K, thanks Oct 19 10:23:08 but my concern is than I couldn't even install that package if the device doesn't boot anymore. i'de have to have a working flashable kernel Oct 19 10:23:46 Here's the original kernel : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200829maemo1_all.deb Oct 19 10:24:14 You can extract it with dpkg -x on the computer and flash the zImage via usb Oct 19 10:24:58 cool Oct 19 10:25:09 thanks a lot! Oct 19 10:25:12 Np Oct 19 10:25:24 is this the latest "feature upgrade" kernel? Oct 19 10:25:27 Yep :) Oct 19 10:26:10 should i have any concern about the different versions of the kernel modules (nokia kernel vs. own kernel)? Oct 19 10:27:34 Nope, tablet boots fine with nokia modules and any modules you make should insmod on a nokia kernel. (I once ran a preempt kernel and I had to trick the versioning on the kernel to get it to accept nokia modules but after that, they insmodded fine.) Oct 19 10:28:25 nice! Oct 19 10:29:32 so you mean the flashing will not destroy any modules (which reside under /lib?) in the modules directory. but it will not add mine either: i'll have to copy them myself to the very same directory. Is that it? Oct 19 10:30:29 yep. Though some libs reside in /mnt/initfs which you will have to remount read-write if you want to replace any there. Oct 19 10:30:51 Though I've never replaced the modules, except for one time I was using the preempt kernel Oct 19 10:31:27 nope, i'm not thinking about replacing any existing module, justing adding some capabilities to my kernel Oct 19 10:31:53 possibly in the form of modules Oct 19 10:32:31 that sounds pretty straightforward Oct 19 10:32:39 If all you are doing is just adding modules, the kernel doesn't even need to be flashed with a new one. You'll have to insmod them yourself manually or write an init script to do it for you Oct 19 10:33:16 no, i need to change the kernel conf to make these modules compile, that's for sure Oct 19 10:33:28 ah, ok Oct 19 10:33:46 or build the thing inside the kernel, monolithically Oct 19 10:34:13 that really sounds great Oct 19 10:34:51 i don't even need to backup my files either in system memory or on the mmc Oct 19 10:35:29 just as on anydesktop machine Oct 19 10:36:23 shouldn't do. flashing a kernel doesn't erase any files. Unless the kernel is dodgy and mutilates every file it comes in contact with :) Oct 19 10:36:40 gotcha Oct 19 10:37:54 many thanks for this: good, structured info about these low-level things is hard to come by on the net Oct 19 10:38:51 No problems :). I assume you have read the maemo kernel guide? Oct 19 10:39:16 morning Oct 19 10:39:24 morning Oct 19 10:40:50 i actually already have configured my kernel with config_n800 and have made the necessary modifications to .config. i was just terrified at the idea of screwing up this wonderful little machine by forgetting something or typing the wrong flasher command Oct 19 10:42:11 mornin again \o Oct 19 10:42:34 hi lcuk Oct 19 10:42:54 hiya woglinde :D 0.1.3 did the trick Oct 19 10:43:50 lcuk hehe is in extra-devel now? Oct 19 10:43:58 yes Oct 19 10:44:11 well it was lastnight, they mightv rejected it since Oct 19 10:47:07 ~bitchslap gtk-gnutella's spam_sha1.txt Oct 19 10:47:10 * infobot beats the sh*t out of gtk-gnutella's spam_sha1.txt Oct 19 10:47:13 * lcuk can now finally draw his own avatar Oct 19 10:48:22 lcuk: you should make an .install file for liqbase and place a link to it where it says it's in extras-devel :) Oct 19 10:48:51 i thought .install files to extras-devel was wrong Oct 19 10:49:08 How? Oct 19 10:49:22 because normal users shouldnt add -devel by default Oct 19 10:49:28 I'm not talking about the maemo catalogue Oct 19 10:49:29 meh Oct 19 10:49:56 once it gets into extras it will be fine Oct 19 10:50:18 im just happy ive finally got image export working :) Oct 19 10:50:44 theres a backlog of things i want to do which needed that functionality :) Oct 19 10:50:49 I'm not so happy about that because you binded it to a button us N800 users don't have ;) Oct 19 10:51:04 thats cos its just a test Oct 19 10:51:30 i'll find a nice way to do it Oct 19 10:51:38 cool, thanks :) Oct 19 10:52:10 perhaps with a movable overlay tile "enable snapshot mode" which shows over the top of every screen with a take photo button Oct 19 10:52:24 when pressed it vanishes and takes the picture :) Oct 19 10:53:03 but thats secondary to real usage Oct 19 10:53:09 i needed a way to get camera images out Oct 19 10:53:19 lcuk hehe Oct 19 10:53:23 and to save sketches in a usable format Oct 19 10:53:28 I thought this is solved Oct 19 10:53:40 and you only need to took the code and run away Oct 19 10:54:56 woglinde, the entire interface is YUV, i havent been able to take anything for granted - its all pretty much from scratch :) which has suited me because ive not been bogged down with legacy Oct 19 10:55:44 uh Oct 19 10:55:55 the hw keyboard on the n810 is slow Oct 19 10:55:59 just testing it now Oct 19 10:56:05 slow? Oct 19 10:56:07 yes Oct 19 10:56:10 so hard to write-slow? Oct 19 10:56:14 I have to wait 2 seconds Oct 19 10:56:15 how can keyboard be slow Oct 19 10:56:23 if a charackter is shown Oct 19 10:56:27 hmm, mine isnt Oct 19 10:56:36 macout in libqbase Oct 19 10:56:38 maybe its your network connection Oct 19 10:56:40 ah, ok Oct 19 10:56:59 mmmm that doesnt sound right Oct 19 10:57:02 lcuk why is it so slow? Oct 19 10:57:08 you on the name keyboard screen Oct 19 10:57:18 yes Oct 19 10:57:36 its live for me here Oct 19 10:58:08 even at 800*480_powersave.. Oct 19 10:58:11 no delay Oct 19 10:58:40 though on n2 i have glitches reproduction Oct 19 10:59:21 perhaps you have something else running in background Oct 19 11:00:37 hm liqbase runs with nearly 100% cpu Oct 19 11:01:14 seems you have to learn the nice way of profiling Oct 19 11:01:47 it depends on what you are doing Oct 19 11:02:05 if its an active screen it runs as fast as required, if you are on a static screen it does nothing Oct 19 11:02:13 hm strange Oct 19 11:02:19 now it is not Oct 19 11:02:23 ie when sitting on a menu it falls back to baseline Oct 19 11:02:51 but if you are showing starfield its way up (for obvious reasons) Oct 19 11:03:06 hm even the name screen has 80% Oct 19 11:03:11 * lcuk worked extremely hard to try to ensure it didnt drain battery Oct 19 11:03:13 that seems wrong Oct 19 11:03:27 xorg is going up to 20% Oct 19 11:03:28 hm Oct 19 11:03:37 maybee you are polling to much Oct 19 11:04:10 lemme check the keyboard screen - it might actually be left in runfast Oct 19 11:04:13 hm I will have a quick look into the source Oct 19 11:04:16 it was a brand new one Oct 19 11:04:38 go onto a normal menu and it should be idle Oct 19 11:05:28 * lcuk was against adding a keyboard at all ;) Oct 19 11:07:27 heh, yeah on the keyboard its busypolling Oct 19 11:07:42 its a 25fps keyboard ;) Oct 19 11:14:52 int rf=0;// 1; woglinde noticed it was running fast Oct 19 11:16:45 but im not pushin a whole other version through to extras just for that :P its one screen viewed once normally Oct 19 11:18:14 hehe Oct 19 11:18:16 yes Oct 19 11:18:20 no prob Oct 19 11:18:23 but fix it Oct 19 11:18:25 *g* Oct 19 11:19:57 fixed :) Oct 19 11:20:08 next build will include it Oct 19 11:20:19 hm where was it? Oct 19 11:20:25 that line i posted Oct 19 11:20:46 in liqkeyboard.c? Oct 19 11:21:11 the rf variable is shorthand for "runfast" if that is set to 1 then the handler will not idle for events and instead attempt to run fast Oct 19 11:21:12 yes Oct 19 11:21:42 line 499 Oct 19 11:22:06 *g* Oct 19 11:22:09 okay Oct 19 11:23:18 if you notice anything else likethat please let me know :) Oct 19 11:23:49 sure Oct 19 11:23:53 If I have the time Oct 19 11:26:46 woglinde, i know that feeling Oct 19 11:26:51 time runs away with everything Oct 19 11:27:30 what do i do now its in extras-devel, how does it get to real extras? Oct 19 11:27:58 sorry do not kno Oct 19 11:27:59 w Oct 19 11:28:09 the promoter Oct 19 11:29:08 https://garage.maemo.org/promoter/diablo Oct 19 11:29:30 didnt you and gan tell me to wait Oct 19 11:29:52 you asked how does it get there. Oct 19 11:30:02 i didn't say you should do it now. Oct 19 11:30:09 :P Oct 19 11:30:29 *g* Oct 19 11:30:41 hm qtnx and the othet nx stuff now runs nice Oct 19 11:30:54 excellent woglinde Oct 19 11:30:58 this rocks really on the n810 Oct 19 11:31:01 full desktop Oct 19 11:31:15 and now you know all about gettin it into extras ;) Oct 19 11:31:24 *g* Oct 19 11:32:57 suspend resums work nice too Oct 19 11:33:04 for the remote sessions Oct 19 11:35:09 * qwerty12_N800 needs too clean out the interface of gtk-gnutella. *way* too cluttered on the tablet Oct 19 11:42:59 qwerty12_N800: doesn't that drain the battery really fast? Oct 19 11:43:06 using torrent and gnutella? Oct 19 11:43:27 I'm always on charger anyway :p Oct 19 11:44:01 :) Oct 19 11:44:03 just wondering Oct 19 11:44:54 it might do but tbh, a lot of things can drain the battery so i'm past caring :) Oct 19 11:46:04 mmmmmmmmm cupcakes http://flickr.com/photos/tonibduguid/2836161961/ Oct 19 11:46:28 damn wanted that link http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/calling-all-innovators/ (same pic) Oct 19 11:48:01 hmmmmm, cupcakes... Oct 19 11:49:47 * qwerty12_N800 only wants hash brownies Oct 19 11:50:22 you would Oct 19 11:50:31 :p Oct 19 11:50:52 wow emma, are you still bouncing in and out? Oct 19 11:50:57 doesnt it get tiring Oct 19 11:51:12 remember jones? :p Oct 19 11:51:29 man, that *was* annoying Oct 19 11:51:57 no Oct 19 11:52:04 * lcuk has no shortterm memory Oct 19 11:52:46 i must be gettin old Oct 19 11:52:57 the guy had a misconfigured irc client and it would keep reconnecting leaving a loong trail of join/part messages on screen Oct 19 11:53:43 excellent Oct 19 11:53:51 good job i didnt bring liqbase_bot into here Oct 19 11:54:52 this is the first and only channel where the use of /me and infobot is not strongly discouraged Oct 19 11:55:13 * qwerty12_N800 is glad Oct 19 11:55:20 * lcuk is confused Oct 19 11:55:38 * macoute_ sees no benefits of /me Oct 19 11:55:44 * aquatix likes to use /me Oct 19 11:55:54 lcuk: No. Oct 19 11:55:58 * qwerty12_N800 is the shit Oct 19 11:56:06 lcuk: I just woke up. I don't know why I was bouncing so much while I was sleeping. Oct 19 11:56:22 lcuk: This last restart was the only intentional one, to make sure I don't have two irssi processes competing. Oct 19 11:56:26 heh, you didnt leave you nokia on your bed did you :D Oct 19 11:56:28 qwerty12_N800: true Oct 19 11:56:42 :P Oct 19 11:56:49 * qwerty12_N800 says :p Oct 19 11:56:52 rather Oct 19 11:57:01 ive been awake myself for a lot of the night and ive seen you with loads of join/parts Oct 19 11:57:10 qwerty12_N800: nah, that's talking about yourself in 3rd person, that's stupid ;) Oct 19 11:57:26 * qwerty12_N800 says is not! Oct 19 11:57:34 * aquatix says it is! Oct 19 11:57:38 * qwerty12_N800 says is not! Oct 19 11:57:43 * me gets cofused Oct 19 11:57:48 * macoute_ starts using only me Oct 19 11:57:52 * me cant type Oct 19 11:57:52 /me Oct 19 11:58:06 * aquatix tries the new liqbase Oct 19 11:58:29 * qwerty12_N800 still is using 0.0.9 Oct 19 11:58:36 mmmm so i can impersonate someone for a few lines Oct 19 11:58:54 aquatix, if you have an n810 can you test something for me Oct 19 11:58:59 if not, it doesnt matter Oct 19 11:59:03 lcuk, btw, do you use the fullscreen key for anything in liqbase? Oct 19 11:59:05 * aquatix has an n810 Oct 19 11:59:09 lcuk: please tell :) Oct 19 12:00:10 0,01 Oct 19 12:00:33 about 80% of the screens within liqbase now allow you to take a screenshot and save as .png, i have a list of which i know wont, but the main menus, keyboard, drawing and graffiti and book file selector should all work - could you check nad see if you can break it Oct 19 12:00:51 if you press [Chr] on the keyboard it will take a screenshot (as liqbase.net now makes use of) Oct 19 12:00:55 how do i screenshot? Oct 19 12:00:59 ah :) Oct 19 12:01:40 its been on my todo list for a while :) it was basically the only thing holding back from pushing Oct 19 12:02:09 where does it put the png's? Oct 19 12:02:26 ~/.liqbase with a stamp Oct 19 12:02:39 liqbase.pic.20081018_191410.png Oct 19 12:02:43 somethin like that Oct 19 12:02:47 * aquatix takes a look Oct 19 12:03:31 i have a bunch of screenshots indeed Oct 19 12:03:34 * lcuk gets on with introductions and postcards Oct 19 12:03:46 actually no i wont Oct 19 12:03:48 its sunday Oct 19 12:03:51 ~nickometer qwerty12_n800 Oct 19 12:03:53 'qwerty12_n800' is 76.000% lame, qwerty12_n800 Oct 19 12:04:00 infobot, your mom Oct 19 12:04:01 i guess your mom is spelt your mum Oct 19 12:04:08 it adds to your lameness if you search yourself Oct 19 12:04:34 i needed confirmation :p Oct 19 12:04:44 and away-nicks and nicks comparable to that should add your lameness by at least 40% :) Oct 19 12:04:49 qwerty12_N800: no offence :) Oct 19 12:05:04 hehe, none taken Oct 19 12:05:07 damn nicks :) Oct 19 12:05:53 * aquatix wonders how lame he is Oct 19 12:06:22 ~nickometere aquatix Oct 19 12:06:27 ~nickometer aquatix Oct 19 12:06:29 'aquatix' is 0.000% lame, macoute Oct 19 12:06:32 whoa Oct 19 12:06:34 aquatix: that lame :) Oct 19 12:06:34 ~nickometer Stskeeps Oct 19 12:06:37 'Stskeeps' is 0.000% lame, stskeeps Oct 19 12:06:38 woah Oct 19 12:06:49 ~nickometer lcuk Oct 19 12:06:50 'lcuk' is 0.000% lame, lcuk Oct 19 12:06:52 * aquatix thought himself a lot more lame Oct 19 12:07:05 heh qwerty - its just you Oct 19 12:07:11 >.< Oct 19 12:07:20 ~nickometer ak-47 Oct 19 12:07:21 'ak-47' is 25.000% lame, ak-47 Oct 19 12:07:26 hmm Oct 19 12:07:38 oh Oct 19 12:07:46 does it look at your current nick? Oct 19 12:07:50 LOL Oct 19 12:07:53 i thought it was some reputation thing Oct 19 12:07:58 ~nickometer qwerty12 Oct 19 12:07:59 'qwerty12' is 27.000% lame, lcuk Oct 19 12:08:05 grr Oct 19 12:08:05 PMSL Oct 19 12:08:12 ~nickometer lcuk Oct 19 12:08:14 'lcuk' is 0.000% lame, aquatix Oct 19 12:08:20 if you add up all your lameness you are off the scale Oct 19 12:08:21 aight Oct 19 12:08:40 * lcuk is laughin heartily Oct 19 12:08:42 ak-47 is still my email address Oct 19 12:08:51 no it isnt Oct 19 12:09:01 ~nickometer fcukinfobot Oct 19 12:09:03 'fcukinfobot' is 0.000% lame, fcukinfobot Oct 19 12:09:04 i thought it was lamer@lamedomain.com Oct 19 12:09:56 l@me.com Oct 19 12:10:10 hm, that's actually quite a nice address Oct 19 12:10:53 ʇsǝʇ Oct 19 12:10:54 pah. 12 years ago this wasn't as lame. Oct 19 12:11:02 ok, serious question. every time i want to put my nokia in its pouch i lock the keyboard, i want to disconnect the wifi when i do this Oct 19 12:11:49 hmm, i could steal code and whip up something in python for that if you wish? Oct 19 12:11:54 im thinking about doign the acmonitor type thing but gathering a whole state diagram and allowing profiles for different states Oct 19 12:12:21 ie inuse:charging/battery locked:charging/battery Oct 19 12:12:51 lcuk: so only disconnect wifi on locking and on battery Oct 19 12:12:54 qwerty12_n800, it would have to be configurable though Oct 19 12:12:57 and in pouch? Oct 19 12:13:03 ah, k Oct 19 12:13:12 well the pouch part isnt important, its using the lock key Oct 19 12:13:21 lcuk: might even take the light sensor into account :) Oct 19 12:13:25 ah Oct 19 12:13:40 no aquatix, my hand covers that all the time (infact, N1 has a sticker over it) Oct 19 12:14:01 :) Oct 19 12:14:02 you know it can be disabled? Oct 19 12:14:02 kk Oct 19 12:14:05 i just realised that sticked is not visible Oct 19 12:14:15 qwerty12_n800, really? Oct 19 12:14:38 yeah, just remove the als module from /etc/mce/mce.ini Oct 19 12:14:39 i just put a happy smily face "well done" sticker from jakes collection Oct 19 12:14:54 oh screw that, my patch survives reflashing Oct 19 12:14:59 and lets me tell my nokias apart Oct 19 12:15:02 * aquatix actually likes the screen dimming Oct 19 12:15:13 lcuk: :) Oct 19 12:15:20 im left handed and when drawing if ytou see on the videos my hand sits at top left Oct 19 12:15:51 hm Oct 19 12:15:53 yeah, when i hold it, i accidentially cover it too Oct 19 12:16:03 and it goes dim a few seconds later Oct 19 12:16:04 I really wonder a lot of open source programmer are lefthanded Oct 19 12:16:06 its annoying as feck Oct 19 12:16:08 and often the better one Oct 19 12:16:31 well im not a good coder, simply prolific - i find it hard NOT to code or think about it Oct 19 12:16:56 lcuk your code is not that bad as a first glance Oct 19 12:17:07 i was thinking the other night about why only now have i decided to go public with my code Oct 19 12:17:24 and i realised the world just wasnt ready for the awesomeness of visual basic Oct 19 12:17:53 ghehehe Oct 19 12:18:01 *sigh* once a windows programmer, always a windows programmer... :p Oct 19 12:18:16 lcuk: that's a big oxymoron ;) Oct 19 12:18:44 not really aquatix :) everything ive now got in liqbase was born in visual basic first :) Oct 19 12:19:03 the language is not important, but you can bet your ass i had to work hard to make it run fast Oct 19 12:19:45 lcuk to make it public is okay so other can look at it Oct 19 12:19:52 and give some clues Oct 19 12:20:14 now yes, then i felt ashemed of my code Oct 19 12:20:36 lcuk: myeah, i thought the language was pretty confusing actually; not a clear syntactical difference between function calls and arrays and lots more of little gripes i had with it Oct 19 12:20:46 oh well :) Oct 19 12:20:52 because the small modules i wrote were never whole units, they were small elements - in liqbase i have brought them together as i always planned Oct 19 12:20:54 lcuk: but liqbase is awesome :) Oct 19 12:21:22 lcuk: and it seems screenshotting in mentioned screens works Oct 19 12:21:25 aquatix, :) all i have wanted for years was a touchscreen Oct 19 12:21:45 just check the bookreader file select - i noticed a bug last night Oct 19 12:22:00 ive lost my memory stick Oct 19 12:22:04 hm, i have a screenshot of it here Oct 19 12:22:55 liquid@gmail.com Oct 19 12:23:01 should i put back the upload function ;) Oct 19 12:25:04 who hwho has windows? Oct 19 12:25:12 -the stutter Oct 19 12:25:17 i does atm Oct 19 12:25:25 i do, atm that is :) Oct 19 12:25:29 a vista even Oct 19 12:25:52 * qwerty12_n800 is a good boy. i at least have ubuntu with my vista :p Oct 19 12:25:53 just as a random test, could you see if this tiny app works? Oct 19 12:25:55 http://liqbase.net/RectDraw.exe Oct 19 12:26:15 lcuk: you want the screenshot of my book selection? Oct 19 12:26:21 yeah please aquatix Oct 19 12:26:23 kk Oct 19 12:26:25 hang on Oct 19 12:27:12 that rectdraw program handles collisions how i want to end up with on physics view Oct 19 12:27:18 i still havent quite got the code right Oct 19 12:29:04 * lcuk will have to get one of these touchscreen eee pcs for home Oct 19 12:29:26 combining awesomeness on the run with awesomness in the house will be awesome Oct 19 12:29:36 lcuk: it does work Oct 19 12:29:42 excellent thanks Oct 19 12:29:43 though the speed is too much :) Oct 19 12:29:45 mustv just been me Oct 19 12:29:53 heh well ;) Oct 19 12:30:01 i coded it first back in 2000 Oct 19 12:30:12 lcuk: mail Oct 19 12:30:34 :O does that look like it looks on screen to you? Oct 19 12:30:49 lcuk: yes Oct 19 12:30:59 with green backgrounds on the books? Oct 19 12:31:11 er, no Oct 19 12:31:22 it has black bg in real life Oct 19 12:31:36 then the bug is real and reproduced :) Oct 19 12:31:40 ill fix it later Oct 19 12:31:49 thanks Oct 19 12:31:50 :) Oct 19 12:31:52 sure thing Oct 19 12:31:56 lcuk hm yes bookreader the text do not fit in the boxes Oct 19 12:32:02 for open and back Oct 19 12:32:59 open and back? which screen Oct 19 12:33:35 though im not changing that now woglinde the small buttons which contain text will be replaced with glyphs as i get round to it Oct 19 12:33:44 * lcuk says that every day Oct 19 12:33:49 perhaps i should do somethin about it now Oct 19 12:33:57 but its sunday Oct 19 12:34:52 also noted: im putting the version number on the main startup Oct 19 12:37:48 * RST38h thanks the Green One for helping him to conquer MIPS Oct 19 12:39:42 btw. who broke widset for planet.maemo.org? Oct 19 12:39:59 who even made it... Oct 19 12:40:43 bye for now Oct 19 12:41:15 cya Oct 19 12:41:27 who knoews what some EMEA conference is? Oct 19 12:42:05 europe, middle east and africa Oct 19 12:42:26 The only thing left is to figure out what makes it crash on return from the functi Oct 19 12:42:30 on Oct 19 12:42:46 EMEA - europe, middle east, africa Oct 19 12:43:25 on here http://callingallinnovators.com/home.asp Oct 19 12:44:05 it says if submitted by nov 21st "eligable to participate in a big nokia event in EMEA in December" but i cant find any more info on this Oct 19 12:44:39 lcuk: So, according to this image, is Russia EMEA or whatever China belongs to? Oct 19 12:45:37 i dunno, the map has a bit over eastern europe doesnt it Oct 19 12:45:40 it overlaps Oct 19 12:46:11 lcuk: Going to submit liqubase? ;) Oct 19 12:48:08 did yesterday :) Oct 19 12:48:35 * RST38h crosses fingers wishing lcuk luck Oct 19 12:49:03 :) thx Oct 19 12:49:45 tracy just found out its in rome Oct 19 12:50:19 Rome is good, especially in winter Oct 19 12:50:29 +8oC, sunny Oct 19 12:50:32 anywhere is better than manchester in winter Oct 19 12:50:44 lcuk: Oh, you just haven't been to places ;) Oct 19 12:50:55 no Oct 19 12:51:45 Although Manchester should probably be pretty dismal too Oct 19 12:52:19 The North of the UK is dismal as a whole. Oct 19 12:53:06 no its not :) Oct 19 12:53:23 hehe :p Oct 19 12:53:44 does get cold easily though :\ Oct 19 12:54:02 we have sweaters :) and long johns Oct 19 12:54:13 * lcuk giggles Oct 19 12:54:45 gee, all we have down here is vests + boxers :p Oct 19 12:54:49 somehow, the latter should be a disadvantage in cold winter, right? Oct 19 12:56:30 btw, what our kid has for winter can best be described as a space suit, so do be careful when you say "cold" =) Oct 19 12:57:04 heh Oct 19 12:57:22 how old is he Oct 19 12:57:30 she? Oct 19 12:59:07 hello, is it possible to play smooth native 800x480 video on n810? Oct 19 12:59:30 no Oct 19 12:59:38 its possible to update the screen fast enough Oct 19 12:59:56 but its gonna be hard to find a codec to decode and include audio as well Oct 19 13:00:21 that's shame :( Oct 19 13:00:31 http://liqbase.net/ not really, most videos arent that res anyway Oct 19 13:00:31 800x480 resolution for videos would be perfect Oct 19 13:00:36 look at that page :) Oct 19 13:01:04 it shows what CAN be done at that resolution :) Oct 19 13:02:30 that looks awesome Oct 19 13:02:34 very nice Oct 19 13:03:14 lcuk: 7, its he Oct 19 13:03:38 my jake is 6 and we have enough trouble gettin a coat on him (apart from doing superman impressions) Oct 19 13:03:49 and "she" is 9 months old now Oct 19 13:03:50 is there any "screen candy" addons for nokia tablets already? iphonish effects and so on Oct 19 13:04:11 feiifas, what better screen candy than what you draw yourself :) Oct 19 13:04:58 lcuk: well, it takes a while for him to get dressed but mostly because he cant keep on doing it Oct 19 13:05:21 feiifas: try canola2 Oct 19 13:05:25 yeah, i bet it looks funny near the school, do most dress the same Oct 19 13:05:27 really nice media player Oct 19 13:05:30 with nice effects Oct 19 13:05:41 feiifas: and liqbase of course ;) Oct 19 13:06:24 lcuk: not any more as the colors are different Oct 19 13:06:44 lcuk: back when I was a kid everybody looked the same Oct 19 13:06:48 RST38h, ? multicolored lego space men? Oct 19 13:06:59 lcuk: more or less Oct 19 13:07:03 :D heh Oct 19 13:08:03 right, time for me to vanish for a while Oct 19 13:08:12 same here Oct 19 13:08:16 * lcuk still cant decide whether to code or not Oct 19 13:08:42 hmmmm, lego Oct 19 13:08:47 lcuk: cya Oct 19 13:09:06 someone told me i can do a select() statement and wait for multiple events from files and sockets and events Oct 19 13:09:06 hola Oct 19 13:09:20 oh, thought you where leaving :) Oct 19 13:09:23 any idea how i might go about doing this Oct 19 13:09:26 lol i was Oct 19 13:09:33 just mentioning code made it pop into head Oct 19 13:09:37 ghehe Oct 19 13:09:45 you codeaholic ;) Oct 19 13:09:50 yeah :) Oct 19 13:10:02 well, maybe in some event loop? Oct 19 13:10:03 i might sync my 2 nokias Oct 19 13:10:35 get a combined 800*960 display or somethin Oct 19 13:10:46 :) Oct 19 13:11:09 heh, nintendo ds :D Oct 19 13:11:46 right ill go and ponder it while i make a brew Oct 19 13:11:48 back later Oct 19 13:14:01 lcuk: heh, right after you said that, i ran across http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2008/10/16/running-illume-everywhere/ Oct 19 13:14:10 not the same, but still a nice pic :) Oct 19 13:18:48 hm Oct 19 13:19:03 anybody ported speedcrunch calculator or similar to maemo yet? Oct 19 13:20:33 ah, speedcrunch is qt Oct 19 13:55:33 Hi, I am about to buy the Nokia N800 used off someone. I was wondering what i should look for besides of course it turns on. Oct 19 13:56:34 no scratches on the screen Oct 19 13:56:42 no cracks of course ;) Oct 19 13:57:19 yeah i meant besides physical Oct 19 13:57:25 sshould i test wifi works? cause some dont? Oct 19 13:57:38 sounds sane indeed Oct 19 13:58:03 should i run a few apps to make sure it doesnt suffer from crashes? Oct 19 13:58:09 check the camera, both memory card slots + covers Oct 19 13:58:10 though im going to reflash Oct 19 13:58:19 so i should bring a sd card. Oct 19 13:58:24 covers? Oct 19 13:58:39 what covers? Oct 19 13:59:00 yeah, the covers to close the memory card slots Oct 19 13:59:05 oh Oct 19 14:00:37 so scratches, cracks, it looks okay from looking at it, camera, memory card slots, covers ? Oct 19 14:04:18 zakkm, check the camera pops out cleanly, and if you get a chance to use it beforehand, go into a drawing program and check the screen responds to stylus evenly Oct 19 14:04:35 the guy said i can test it. Oct 19 14:04:45 then i dont think you have anything to worry about Oct 19 14:04:48 Im meeting him in about 2 hours. Oct 19 14:05:01 is there some cases of 800's with wifi not working? Oct 19 14:05:08 obviously if he was nervous about its condition it would be sale quick with no test Oct 19 14:05:10 They might be a open hotspot Oct 19 14:05:16 run liqbase on it Oct 19 14:05:22 if it doesn't melt, it's ok ;) Oct 19 14:05:25 heh Oct 19 14:05:34 evantually yeah app looked sick Oct 19 14:05:47 but i dont think i can test that long. I would have to add repo .. etc. Oct 19 14:05:49 feels better to use :) Oct 19 14:05:56 * lcuk has just been drawing trains with jake again Oct 19 14:06:05 lcuk: :) Oct 19 14:06:12 zakkm: actually, liqbase is in extras now :) Oct 19 14:06:27 no repos - simplest is jump to liqbase.net and grab the deb Oct 19 14:06:38 theres no deps other than whats on the tablet by default Oct 19 14:06:40 true Oct 19 14:06:40 how am i suppose to do that ? ;p Oct 19 14:06:50 but anyways, that was more of a joke :) Oct 19 14:06:51 i dont think ill be able to test forever lol ;p Oct 19 14:07:04 lcuk: thats good :P Oct 19 14:07:11 there already is a drawing app on it, so rather use that to test Oct 19 14:07:12 no insane extra deps Oct 19 14:07:33 zakkm, i prefer to use what ive got to hand than go searching out strange things :) Oct 19 14:07:54 ??? Oct 19 14:08:01 obscure complicated libraries make for obscure complicated bugs Oct 19 14:08:37 oo Oct 19 14:08:43 was talking about dependencies Oct 19 14:08:52 so was i :) Oct 19 14:09:06 nah i meant you were.. im thinking what you talking about??? Oct 19 14:09:10 lcuk: There's something to be said for well defined, well tested libraries, however. Oct 19 14:09:38 derf: if it was good .. it would be default already in most likely.. ;p Oct 19 14:09:41 100% agree derf, but i dont know enough about each of them to use them effectively enough Oct 19 14:10:27 zakkm: On a standard Linux distro, yes. On a space-constrained tablet, no, not really. Oct 19 14:10:43 i know im just saying :P Oct 19 14:11:20 python and libpurple is probably the only ones id get. Oct 19 14:11:36 dang i have to find a SD card Oct 19 14:12:26 I told the guy i was an expert and it and he seemed to want to sell it to me more like i wouldnt back down at the last minute cause it doesnt have something i wanted. Oct 19 14:13:47 ~lart diablo extras-devel for not having subversion Oct 19 14:13:47 * infobot calls diablo extras-devel on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for not having subversion Oct 19 14:14:58 lol Oct 19 14:15:24 why would it be included? do you really compile on the nokia? Oct 19 14:16:07 I don't but it's useful to get files from a svn repo being away from a computer :) Oct 19 14:16:21 I'll send it to the autobuilder later Oct 19 14:16:22 for what purpose? Oct 19 14:16:38 why not just get the pc to do it as a cron script? Oct 19 14:16:46 every night or something Oct 19 14:17:38 My computer isn't always on. The reason i want svn now is to grab some python apps Oct 19 14:18:57 so make a cron script and run it whenever it is on :P Oct 19 14:19:18 desktop icon. :P though i guess that may make it a bash script. Oct 19 14:19:27 I'm not always in Linux :p Oct 19 14:19:35 mac? Oct 19 14:19:53 vista/ubuntu dual-boot Oct 19 14:19:59 ubuntu? eww Oct 19 14:20:16 more bloated than vista ;p Oct 19 14:20:44 Lies! :p Oct 19 14:21:20 vista isnt bloated, it just has a whole bunch of stuff nobody wants. Oct 19 14:22:10 why not virtual machine ubuntu? Oct 19 14:22:18 you have virtualization, dont you? Oct 19 14:22:24 yeah, vmware Oct 19 14:22:36 it should run at native speed Oct 19 14:22:38 but I hate using it Oct 19 14:22:49 so use qemu // virtualbox ? Oct 19 14:23:10 ooo you like compiz? :P Oct 19 14:23:30 though its really slow in ubuntu -.- Oct 19 14:23:34 i'm just averse to virtual machines in general, they're useful but awkward for me to use Oct 19 14:23:41 yep, compiz user :p Oct 19 14:23:51 you use compiz.. or ubuntu's compiz ? Oct 19 14:24:04 ubuntu's compiz Oct 19 14:24:08 ew Oct 19 14:24:10 its so slow Oct 19 14:24:17 and old Oct 19 14:24:21 theres like no plugins -.- Oct 19 14:24:52 oh, they're easy to get hold for ubuntu Oct 19 14:25:14 lol Oct 19 14:25:19 even easier in suse -.- Oct 19 14:25:26 and gentoo Oct 19 14:25:52 gentoo is the easiest.. it doesnt ask you are you sure -.- if you dont want it to Oct 19 14:26:00 yeah theres -y or -f .. but -.- Oct 19 14:26:25 compiling 24/7 doesn't tickle my fancy and it's a long time since i used a rpm based distro Oct 19 14:26:42 what do you mean 24/7 ? Oct 19 14:26:43 thats a myth Oct 19 14:27:01 and its well worth it -.- ubuntu is bloated as hell Oct 19 14:27:19 my geforce2 16mb .. went faster than my 256mb geforce 6200 in ubuntu -.- Oct 19 14:27:32 geforce2 16mb in gentoo Oct 19 14:27:36 hehe Oct 19 14:27:44 no joke -.- Oct 19 14:27:55 and you dont compile 24/7 Oct 19 14:28:21 if i really want to compile with optimisations, then i just apt-get source Oct 19 14:28:24 a simple alright 3000+ / 3ghz p4 .. can start off a nice gnome/kde4 desktop with everything your want .. blahblah.. in like 5 hours? Oct 19 14:28:43 there already are built ones with optimizations -.- Oct 19 14:28:47 and thats not what gentoo is about Oct 19 14:29:00 its about only having what you need.. only services are what you wanttt Oct 19 14:29:08 no extra daemons or anything -.- Oct 19 14:29:25 you want gnome with fluxbox WM .. you dont need metacity -.- Oct 19 14:31:08 sorry, im aganist ppl saying good things about ubuntu ;p Oct 19 14:31:28 hmm, i'm not really into linux desktop customisations. i only use compiz because it's automatically enabled when i install ati drivers Oct 19 14:31:34 Ubuntu is made for end users. Gentoo is made for developers. Oct 19 14:31:56 hehe, i don't mind ubuntu but i don't have much experience with other distros Oct 19 14:32:03 derf: yes but clearly qwerty12_n800 is a developer, shouldn't be using ubuntu Oct 19 14:32:17 nah, end user :) Oct 19 14:32:29 People should use whatever is comfortable to them. Oct 19 14:32:36 werent you the one complaining that subversion should be in something extras? Oct 19 14:32:53 Ubuntu has a lot of issues, it's true. But a whole lot of people will find them less troublesome than Gentoo's issues. Oct 19 14:32:53 why not Ubuntu? Oct 19 14:33:10 derf: I don't see much issues with ubuntu, even for power-users. Oct 19 14:33:21 its slow Oct 19 14:33:21 Veggen: Thank you for proving my point. Oct 19 14:33:29 zakkm, true, but i'm more of a casual modder. i do simple stuff with code, that's about it :) Oct 19 14:33:52 zakka: uh? In what ways is it slow? This will be a function on how you set it up :) Oct 19 14:34:02 qwerty12_n800: i see your name all over forums about things you done/are doing Oct 19 14:34:18 s/zakka/zakkm/ Oct 19 14:34:19 Veggen meant: zakkm: uh? In what ways is it slow? This will be a function on how you set it up :) Oct 19 14:34:29 The nice thing about Gentoo is that I can compiling everything without omiting the frame pointer. I can keep it from stripping debug symbols. All of the headers for all of the libraries on my system are already installed. Oct 19 14:34:32 Veggen: exactly, it needs changing.. it sucks :P Oct 19 14:34:49 portage is awesome :) Oct 19 14:35:00 zakkm: you could also argue that gentoo is slower than ubuntu, because before you can use apps, you have to compile them.. (arguing about distros is really pointless.. hehe) Oct 19 14:35:00 None of that has anything to do with speed. Oct 19 14:35:38 thp: Honestly, you spend very little time compiling. Oct 19 14:35:57 what you do compile is done like at night or something Oct 19 14:35:59 when your not on Oct 19 14:36:07 and you put in low priority Oct 19 14:36:26 yep. but think energy costs. think compiling OOo.. Oct 19 14:36:28 most packages dont even get compiled Oct 19 14:36:30 Or, really, since most of the time you're just installing one or two packages, it takes an extra 30 seconds or so. Oct 19 14:36:40 you dont compile oOo -.- Oct 19 14:36:44 theres ooo-bin Oct 19 14:36:52 or openoffice-bin i think its called Oct 19 14:37:14 Really, I think it takes less time to install pacakges on Gentoo than on, say, Fedora. Oct 19 14:37:19 it's just a matter or preference.. the USE flags are surely a nice thing.. getting things that you don't get with all binary distros.. (but you can apt-get source in debian, too..) Oct 19 14:37:36 never tried apt-source .. ;p Oct 19 14:37:41 Which insists on updating its yum repository every time you so much as run a query, much less actually do something. Oct 19 14:38:01 but saying gentoo is faster than ubuntu just because you can compile stuff the way you want is incorrect ;) Oct 19 14:38:03 * johnx tried gentoo, doesn't have the patience for it Oct 19 14:38:07 no i didnt say that Oct 19 14:38:13 i said its faster cause you dont have any bloat Oct 19 14:38:19 http://funroll-loops.info/ Oct 19 14:38:28 oh yes Oct 19 14:38:30 ive read that Oct 19 14:38:31 XD Oct 19 14:38:43 good article Oct 19 14:38:48 read it about a year ago Oct 19 14:38:55 :) Oct 19 14:39:09 lol :) Oct 19 14:39:30 i read alot before i use something. Oct 19 14:39:34 Actually one of the very advantages I see with Linux - *any* Linux-distro - is that bloat doesn't slow it down as much as in Windows. You can have as many programs installed as you like, but as long as you run them it won't slow it down. Oct 19 14:39:48 yeah i like that Oct 19 14:39:57 i used to put in fedora disc.. select everything to install lol Oct 19 14:40:09 of course this is also *sort* of true with windows, but observations seem to contradict it. Oct 19 14:40:14 but it fills up your "applications" area Oct 19 14:40:40 Mac FTW ( mac fanboy here ) Oct 19 14:40:59 I've been a Linux-user since I got my first own machines mid-90s, was mostly Unix-user before that, and I prefer Ubuntu for desktop nowadays. Oct 19 14:42:10 Because the ubuntu developers make a good effort to make sure things should just work. I can do it myself, but I'm more interested in having a good basis distro, not having to do too much with it before being productive with other things. Oct 19 14:42:27 ^what he said^ Oct 19 14:42:42 I do my hacking on embedded linux, my desktop is a tool to accomplish that goal Oct 19 14:42:43 lol Oct 19 14:42:49 and imho, Ubuntu doesn't hide the gory details as much as some others do. Oct 19 14:43:18 you can always find them where they should be, below the wizards. Oct 19 14:43:30 but having wizards and guis can also be good. Oct 19 14:43:38 The problems with Ubuntu stem more from the fact that they are not behaving like good community members. Oct 19 14:43:41 Well .. uhh.. If i leave i guess the debate ends.. I have to get ready.. I'm suppose to meet the guy in just over a hour to buy the used n800.. ( $150 CAD ) so wish me luck :P ( taking bus, will take awhile ) Oct 19 14:43:42 it shouldn't replace the good old config files, though. Oct 19 14:43:56 They look more like a distro from five, ten years ago than a modern one (in their behavior). Oct 19 14:44:01 derf: That, I can sort of agree with. Oct 19 14:44:14 zakkm, heh. *fingers crossed* Oct 19 14:44:21 derf: They should do more to feed changes upstream. Oct 19 14:44:43 if sale goes okay, ill be back on the nokia, xchat is good still right? Oct 19 14:44:44 Redhat, Debian, etc., all learned that this was really a good idea in the long run. Oct 19 14:44:55 Ubuntu will learn, too, but it appears to be taking them a while. Oct 19 14:45:02 zakkm, yup, it's in extras Oct 19 14:45:10 zakkm, yup, using xchat right now from an n800 Oct 19 14:45:25 n800, really? how do you type so fast Oct 19 14:45:52 Gentoos problems stem mostly from the fact that they make it very difficult for their community to contribute. Oct 19 14:45:54 external keyboard? Oct 19 14:46:02 zakkm, i'm pretty slow :p, i'm just using the stylus keyboard Oct 19 14:46:12 I mean, a whole lot of their users are competent developers. Oct 19 14:46:34 They should be light-years ahead in getting current packages integrated and working, and they're not. Oct 19 14:47:03 In fact, they've slowed down in this regard, and started dropping things out of the tree instead of adding them. Oct 19 14:47:46 And, unfortunately, as much as I like Gentoo, that's something I'm not sure they're going to be able to fix. Oct 19 14:48:01 At least not without changes in leadership. Oct 19 14:50:17 Is there a way to make sure SD works, without having SD ? Oct 19 14:50:22 i cant seem to find my sd card Oct 19 14:52:13 Also, is android usable on the n800 ? Oct 19 14:52:18 like is it worth playing aroundon Oct 19 14:52:56 the version of android available is pretty out of date Oct 19 14:52:57 i don't think it's all that usable (yet?) Oct 19 14:53:11 I'm waiting for google to release some source before looking at it again Oct 19 14:53:49 Ah, Oct 19 14:54:20 CYa guys!! Oct 19 14:54:47 Android (from my rough, mostly uninformed opinion), seems more like an iPhone-wannabe than a maemo-wannabe. Oct 19 14:55:34 yes, it's definitely a limited-privileges environment Oct 19 14:55:35 Or, in short, "Who cares?" Oct 19 14:55:51 cool apps = interest from me Oct 19 14:57:17 http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/android-g1-review.ars Oct 19 14:58:47 hm, nice article Oct 19 14:58:48 * aquatix reads Oct 19 14:59:08 "T-Mobile's 3G service is now live...A total of 28 markets is expected in 2008.". Being in Europe, that's a little bit of a shock to me :/. Oct 19 14:59:41 qwerty12, they bought spectrum at auction from the US gov't but the military didn't vacate the spectrum until a year (more?) after t-mo bought it Oct 19 14:59:57 * aquatix will get a non-branded android phone if he goes with that platform Oct 19 15:00:18 johnx: I see :) Oct 19 15:00:23 so i can use it with my current sim and 3G subscription Oct 19 15:00:35 johnx: but still :) Oct 19 15:00:57 aquatix, yeah, they're late to the game, but for the most part it's not their fault Oct 19 15:08:53 re Oct 19 15:44:18 "On Tuesday, the USPTO awarded Microsoft a patent for the Automatic Censorship of Audio Data for Broadcast, an invention that addresses 'producing censored speech that has been altered so that undesired words or phrases are either unintelligible or inaudible.'" Oct 19 15:46:00 I kinda hope this has a chilling effect on censorship :) Oct 19 15:46:33 given that they have patented beeps... Oct 19 15:46:36 hehe Oct 19 15:47:18 btw, whoever is in UK, does UK now require passports when purchasing *phones* or *sim cards*? Oct 19 15:47:32 no. Oct 19 15:47:36 (i.e. do they tie you to IMEI or IMSI?) Oct 19 15:47:42 You need proof of who you are when you buy a phone on contract Oct 19 15:47:52 a passport is accepted as proof Oct 19 15:48:25 what about prepaid? Oct 19 15:48:27 no passport is needed for simcards. hell, i got some for free recently straight from t-mobile over the internet Oct 19 15:48:34 johnx: not for prepaid Oct 19 15:51:31 ok Oct 19 15:51:44 so, SIM cards are not identifiable but phones are? Oct 19 15:52:05 sounds like opposite to .RU where they identify you by SIM card now Oct 19 15:52:11 Only phones on contract, you don't need any forms of proof for prepaid phones Oct 19 15:52:19 ah Oct 19 15:52:33 With contract phones, they don't want you doing a runner with the phone. Oct 19 15:52:36 hm Oct 19 15:52:37 the news sites say UK wants to require ID when buying a phone Oct 19 15:52:47 microb kinda sucks for downloading stuff, it seems to timeout downloads too Oct 19 15:52:53 ah, the contract stuff is completely logical, yes Oct 19 15:53:04 Shadow: It is not microb but the server Oct 19 15:53:32 RST38h, I just tcpdump'd a download (I'm root on the server), and microb closed the connection Oct 19 15:53:32 I wonder about the "id when buying a phone" stuff though Oct 19 15:53:35 qwerty12: i presume they used some way to ID you (credit card?) Oct 19 15:54:01 a prepaid without id is something that dissapeared when criminals started using them Oct 19 15:54:28 pretty sure you can still by a prepaid with cash in the US Oct 19 15:54:29 it also seems to delete the download file, so you can't resume.. Oct 19 15:54:58 suihkulokki: nah, I've never had to register a prepaid phone. Network operators want you to register in exchange for £1 free credit (w00t!) but it's optional. Oct 19 15:58:58 there was a big news some years ago that switzerland was still allowing anonymous pre-paid sims and they were getting used internationally by terrorists Oct 19 15:59:17 Woot, thanks mikkov, uploading straight from scratchbox is lot faster Oct 19 15:59:19 so they stopped doing it in switzerland Oct 19 15:59:24 I guess the dropping the connection if no data has been seen for a few seconds is usual braindead coding, but resume failure with "Target location not available. Save to local memory." is just strange. What the hell is it trying to say... Oct 19 16:00:56 anyoen else had weird stuff installing 4.1.1 sdk? Oct 19 16:00:58 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/libh/libhildon/libhildon1_2.0.6-1_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 195.215.37.63 80] Oct 19 16:01:02 and Oct 19 16:01:06 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/s/samba/libsmbclient-dev_3.0.23c-1osso11_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 195.215.37.63 80] Oct 19 16:01:20 tried a couple times already Oct 19 16:02:02 jaska, go find this peer guy and beat him up Oct 19 16:02:33 doubt itd help much Oct 19 16:02:49 well hes the one that keeps resetting your connection Oct 19 16:02:52 wgetting the debs separately works tho Oct 19 16:03:20 edit the script and keep making wget retry :P Oct 19 16:03:51 jaska: i have same problems Oct 19 16:04:00 well.. its apt-get who fails :).. lets see if i toss it in where-ever it has the debs and try then Oct 19 16:04:25 ah :). I misread that for wget errors >.< Oct 19 16:04:51 just need to hack a newer scrollbar-less osso-xterm for diablo :| Oct 19 16:05:14 I've readded the option for that in a quick hack I done :) Oct 19 16:05:22 has anyone tried fennec? Oct 19 16:05:26 jaska: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=219621 Oct 19 16:05:47 DUDE, WHERE'S MY STYLUS Oct 19 16:06:04 also need to make the esc/pgup/pgdn touch bar thingy smaller Oct 19 16:07:18 * jaska loots qwertys libvte Oct 19 16:07:48 Heh, it's the one from svn with a patch by fanoush to remove the borders :) Oct 19 16:08:04 what're you doing with x-terms? Oct 19 16:08:10 yeah.. xterm is the most important application for me :) Oct 19 16:08:22 using other machines over ssh? Oct 19 16:08:33 well, why the hacking? Oct 19 16:09:03 me? I wanted the reset and clear option Oct 19 16:09:08 can't live w/out that Oct 19 16:09:09 maximizing the usable text area so i can use as big font as i can Oct 19 16:11:10 ty. now i have less wheels to reinvent :) Oct 19 16:12:10 I should reupload that diff, stupid pastebin seems to have cut parts off :) Oct 19 16:15:50 hmm Oct 19 16:16:11 cut at 226 lines? Oct 19 16:17:46 grr, it's stupid diff cutting it off. Take the source folder: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/mod-osso-xterm-0.14.mh12.tar.bz2 :) Oct 19 16:22:11 hm, is that nethack? Oct 19 16:23:03 adom i think Oct 19 16:23:46 qwerty12: that .deb in that post is the latest? Oct 19 16:24:01 aquatix: yeah, the 1st post? Oct 19 16:24:12 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=219621 Oct 19 16:24:25 http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/libvte4_0.12.2-0mh7_armel.deb Oct 19 16:24:53 ah wait Oct 19 16:24:58 the first post has a later version Oct 19 16:25:18 what do you want? that libvte is only needed if you want to be able to see the difference between grey and black in the terminal and want to remove the border between fonts (something like that) Oct 19 16:25:28 the first post has the actual osso-xterm mod Oct 19 16:25:50 qwerty12: yeah, i want the first post ;) Oct 19 16:28:39 ~curse dpkg-depcheck Oct 19 16:28:40 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, dpkg-depcheck ! Oct 19 16:30:56 ok, this is awesome :) Oct 19 16:31:03 qwerty12: thanks for that patched xterm Oct 19 16:31:12 heh, np :) Oct 19 16:31:24 hm Oct 19 16:31:43 i attached screen on it, then attached it again on my pc, detaching it remotely Oct 19 16:31:50 but it still shows (frozen) on my tablet Oct 19 16:32:01 ah, now it updated Oct 19 16:32:04 weird Oct 19 17:02:27 * lcuk burps Oct 19 17:11:46 greetings Oct 19 17:12:11 anyone here ever tried to use the webcam with a flash client? Oct 19 17:13:18 no, but ive heard there was a bounty for it, so i think it doesnt work Oct 19 17:13:24 Who wants to bet Quim's thumb is for the picture? http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ Oct 19 17:13:29 People are baffling. Oct 19 17:13:34 it worked but only for the flash that comes with chinook Oct 19 17:14:09 does the maemo has v4l drivers? Oct 19 17:14:31 GeneralAntilles, i want more more more of the clone girl. have you been onto the flickr page and seen the video nearby in the stream? Oct 19 17:14:44 so with diablo i can't access the webcam with a flash client Oct 19 17:14:44 Nope Oct 19 17:14:46 shes wearing an amazing dress that flairs out when she twirls, its breathtaking Oct 19 17:14:56 * lcuk finds it Oct 19 17:15:18 http://flickr.com/photos/tonibduguid/2833375494/in/photostream/ Oct 19 17:15:31 Hehe Oct 19 17:15:49 its also very very short which adds to the appeal Oct 19 17:16:21 Stupid Flash Oct 19 17:16:28 fire Oct 19 17:16:30 er Oct 19 17:16:36 hehe Oct 19 17:16:39 Crashed Quicksilver, too, for some reason. Oct 19 17:16:39 she doesnt flash does she? :O Oct 19 17:16:53 hey guys, i've been searching in vain for a runlevel editor like sysv-rc-conf, any know of something similar? Oct 19 17:17:11 well my problem is i'm build a thing like videoblog and would like very much to be able to support n810 Oct 19 17:17:43 Apparently I can't play it, lcuk. Oct 19 17:17:50 shame Oct 19 17:17:53 "Playback of this video failed. Please try again later on." Oct 19 17:18:03 Maybe moontiger had it deleted. <_< Oct 19 17:18:10 tell you what, ill watch it for you Oct 19 17:18:15 lol Oct 19 17:20:11 ok just another question then Oct 19 17:20:21 was the "bright black" thing in libvte? Oct 19 17:20:39 is the flash plugin the full version or the mobile version? Oct 19 17:20:45 talus46, it does support v4l - in gstreamer at least Oct 19 17:21:01 Full version Oct 19 17:21:04 i just think its the retarded binary blob that doesnt recognise the awesomeness that is maemo Oct 19 17:21:38 and its the v4l version 1 or 2? Oct 19 17:21:55 Flash 9 doesn't support v4l2 Oct 19 17:21:59 Wait for Flash 10. Oct 19 17:22:05 yes it doesn't Oct 19 17:22:13 lcuk, blobs usually refer to drivers. :P Oct 19 17:22:18 so if the maemo version is 2 Oct 19 17:22:23 It is. Oct 19 17:22:24 v4l2src Oct 19 17:22:27 ok Oct 19 17:22:35 that's the problem then Oct 19 17:22:38 :-D Oct 19 17:22:40 and the flash blob is exactly that, we cannot improve on it, so its a black box Oct 19 17:22:51 But it's not a kernel driver. Oct 19 17:23:02 yes i know Oct 19 17:23:07 It's just a binary-only browser plugin. :P Oct 19 17:23:19 I know _you_ know, talus46, but lcuk's mixing terminology. :P Oct 19 17:23:26 hehe Oct 19 17:23:26 no im not Oct 19 17:23:29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob Oct 19 17:23:31 :-D Oct 19 17:23:55 Kernel drivers do not include browser plugins. Oct 19 17:24:46 going to check if is there a wrapper for v4l2 to masq it as v4l Oct 19 17:28:07 GeneralAntilles: started initial movements towards having bootmenu.d bootmenu in extras(-devel) Oct 19 17:28:24 Awesome! Oct 19 17:29:05 waiting for fanoush's opinion but made the bootmenu dpkg-buildpackage'able Oct 19 17:30:15 aah, found the vte black patch \o/ Oct 19 17:31:47 Did anybody submit that to bugzilla? Oct 19 17:32:46 nah, but it's been in osso-xterm svn for time now Oct 19 17:39:30 GeneralAntilles: any possibility of escalating the problem of repository.maemo.org shifting between 401(sp) forbidden and peering package downloads? is a real bitch when trying to set up the maemo sdk it stops completely when apt-getting the packages for sdk - seems i'm not the only one experiencing it Oct 19 17:40:34 Oh? Oct 19 17:40:37 Hadn't noticed. Oct 19 17:40:39 Is there a bug? Oct 19 17:41:48 well, i'm not sure it's a bug or it's akamai complaining over making a lot of http requests.. i guess it's a bug since it doesn't ask to re-try downloads in the script, (apt-get -d install first until working, then apt-get install) Oct 19 17:42:38 Has somebody filed a bug in bugzilla? Oct 19 17:42:48 If not, do so, then bug _marcell_ Oct 19 17:42:53 *nod* k Oct 19 17:43:10 didn't know infrastructure bugs went there too ;) Oct 19 17:43:24 There's a whole section for maemo.org. ;) Oct 19 17:44:44 * Stslaptop ponders if someone is doing p2p in this train since the wifi is so bloody slow Oct 19 17:45:08 I hate it when you install software over ssh only to realize the tablet is all the way across the room. Oct 19 17:45:13 * GeneralAntilles sighs and gets up. Oct 19 17:45:29 great! looks like flash 10 is out Oct 19 17:45:31 http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/about/ Oct 19 17:45:56 so how long will it take to maemo? Oct 19 17:45:58 I don't see Linux/armel on that list. ;) Oct 19 17:46:00 never Oct 19 17:46:06 Whenever Nokia pays Adobe to do it. Oct 19 17:46:09 damn Oct 19 17:46:12 :-P Oct 19 17:47:23 so i guess probably when n900 hit the market Oct 19 17:48:05 right, the n900 will get it. I'll bet dollars to donuts the no one ever releases an official flash 10 for the n8x0 hardware Oct 19 17:48:42 hm wasn theire a rumor adobe will release the source of flash Oct 19 17:48:51 ?? Oct 19 17:48:53 where? Oct 19 17:48:56 just parts of it, kind of a glue layer, IIRC Oct 19 17:49:04 johny jepp Oct 19 17:49:30 * GeneralAntilles bangs head on desk waiting for maemo.org to load. Oct 19 17:49:44 * johnx deletes 30GB of tmp Oct 19 17:50:09 I just want the goddamn trademark page so I can link the BlueMaemo guy to the correct logo Oct 19 17:50:12 Is that too much to ask? Oct 19 17:50:52 *g* Oct 19 17:50:56 * johnx ponders whether fremantle will involve API breaks or not Oct 19 17:51:20 generalantilles I heard some say maemo.org has the best opensource cms Oct 19 17:51:21 if the ubuntu conspiracy holds true, probably Oct 19 17:51:26 ^ Oct 19 17:51:45 woglinde, midgard terrifies me. Oct 19 17:52:01 Stslaptop, really? is it actually substantiated by something? Oct 19 17:52:23 Certain statements from Nokia and Ubuntu people seem to suggest so. Oct 19 17:52:35 huh...well I'll be damned Oct 19 17:52:39 didn't see that coming Oct 19 17:52:59 johnx: sec, conductor coming Oct 19 17:53:16 THIS GUY DOESN"T HAVE A TICKET! Oct 19 17:53:46 fremantle is doomed to break abi if they update gtk Oct 19 17:54:06 I wonder if they'll finally go with an upstream gtk Oct 19 17:54:17 johnx, I figure that there'll be enough UI changes that API breaks will be the least of people's worries. ;) Oct 19 17:54:20 I'd almost hold off mucking with current stuff if that was the case Oct 19 17:54:20 since the patched maemo gtk will eventually conflict with something upstream cooks up Oct 19 17:54:43 johnx, want to put something on the questions for Nokia page to that effect? Oct 19 17:55:03 sure Oct 19 17:55:04 Knowing is relevant to developer's interests right now. Oct 19 17:55:12 new ui doesn't neccessary break api/abi in itself - it will just provide new libraries Oct 19 17:55:41 GeneralAntilles, and very relevant to what I spend time on, even if I don't develop so much as hack/compile Oct 19 17:56:16 actually, there's already a fremantle branch, IIRC Oct 19 17:56:21 I suppose I should look there first Oct 19 17:56:32 johnx: a funny comment from qqil about ubuntu mobile and not being able to go into details, moblin (ubuntu mobile upstream) switching to fedora, canonical guy saying he had a boatload of NDAs about the new tablets "watch this space in 6 months" Oct 19 17:57:20 Stslaptop, well that's hopeful Oct 19 17:57:40 actually, god that would be incredible Oct 19 17:57:51 also, upstart Oct 19 17:57:55 meh Oct 19 17:58:13 oh, and mojo.handhelds.org Oct 19 17:58:16 I just want to see a unified front for mobile linux Oct 19 17:58:19 why would nokia sponsor that? Oct 19 17:58:33 Stslaptop, well they sponsor a lot of things, like carman Oct 19 17:58:44 true Oct 19 17:58:49 but mojo is very targeted Oct 19 17:58:53 I pegged it as a research project Oct 19 17:59:21 but I didn't think it would be necessarily tied to any future project Oct 19 17:59:33 also i kinda pondered the inexistence of hildon and such in their builds Oct 19 17:59:39 isn't mamona sponsered too? Oct 19 18:00:06 Stslaptop, think they're building hildon in-house to use on top of mojo? Oct 19 18:00:11 well that's a project from indt sortof isn't there Oct 19 18:00:19 johnx: maybe Oct 19 18:01:01 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Oct 19 18:01:13 Why weren't all of the logos gathered in one place in svg after the contest? Oct 19 18:01:24 * GeneralAntilles shouldn't be having to dig for them now. Oct 19 18:01:25 someone should bait on iTT or something Oct 19 18:01:30 Anybody know glaubert's email? Oct 19 18:01:31 "A conspiracy theory?" Oct 19 18:01:31 :P Oct 19 18:01:57 Stskeeps, bleh! :P I want to increase the signal/noise ratio, not put it through the floor Oct 19 18:02:11 if we get a "Heh-heh-heh!" from texrat Oct 19 18:02:16 ;P Oct 19 18:02:28 then we know he's a tease, nothing more Oct 19 18:02:32 I can't imagine how godawful that thread would be. Oct 19 18:02:39 We already know _that_. Oct 19 18:02:43 hehe Oct 19 18:03:25 i would really welcome the ubuntu maemo conspiracy though Oct 19 18:03:25 :P Oct 19 18:03:36 that'd solve so bloody many things Oct 19 18:03:41 yes Oct 19 18:03:43 so much yes Oct 19 18:03:50 * GeneralAntilles CCs handful instead, since glaubert, apparently, doesn't use email. Oct 19 18:06:47 huh...well they certainly have their own gtk+ 2.12.12 in trunk Oct 19 18:06:52 yeah Oct 19 18:06:55 that was what i built Oct 19 18:07:39 I wonder if they're planning some kind of legacy support? Oct 19 18:11:48 i think they slowly deprecate stuff Oct 19 18:13:39 Stslaptop: what is this ubuntu maemo conspiracy thing ? that they will base next os on ubuntu ? Oct 19 18:14:17 BULLE_: yeah, well, their arm port of it Oct 19 18:14:41 huh...guess pandora has gone ubuntu as well Oct 19 18:14:59 BULLE_: Just speculation though Oct 19 18:15:05 Stslaptop: aye Oct 19 18:15:31 i mean, it would make sense to scrap the underlying old debian base Oct 19 18:16:29 well, that just simplified things for me quite a bit *shrugs* Oct 19 18:16:33 off to sleep Oct 19 18:16:36 'night all Oct 19 18:16:48 nite johnx Oct 19 19:02:49 does nobody have anything to say tonight Oct 19 19:03:00 not me Oct 19 19:03:02 nop Oct 19 19:03:03 Oh wait! Oct 19 19:03:07 lol Oct 19 19:03:41 i have nothing! Oct 19 19:04:04 * qwerty12_N800 wishes police broadcasted on frequencies below 85 Oct 19 19:04:34 itt is boring these days so i ponder to stirr conversation with a good old fashioned conspiracy theory / wishful thinking about fremantle Oct 19 19:04:34 :P Oct 19 19:04:35 you're following police scanners? Oct 19 19:05:11 lol sts, i think a good flame war helps Oct 19 19:05:40 summatusmentis, well my tablet is running a kernel that can let the radio chip use japanese frequencies and i hoped police were broadcasting on them :p Oct 19 19:05:42 Is there any decent way to run Linux on Cell cpu? I bought a PS3, but it has only 256mb of memory. I tried to buy a Mercury Computing box for home use, and the salesman laughed at me. They cost about $15k Oct 19 19:06:08 qwerty12_N800: :-D Oct 19 19:06:11 n900 is just gonna be a rebadged pandora should set them burning Oct 19 19:06:15 Stslap: freemantle is the name of the next tablet os ? Oct 19 19:06:21 BULLE_: yeah Oct 19 19:06:23 shapr, iirc, linux is officially supported on ps3 Oct 19 19:06:30 shapr, ps3 has linux doesnt it Oct 19 19:06:40 yellow dog linux, I think they've also made special version of ubuntu (or debian?) for it Oct 19 19:06:40 shapr: http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/19/fedora-linux-up-and-running-on-playstation-3-with-video/ Oct 19 19:06:49 Yeah sure, but I really want a decent desktop box that use one or more Cell cpus... Oct 19 19:07:02 not that i would buy a games console just for lnux Oct 19 19:07:06 you need to repartition your hard drive, then boot it. Linux doesn't have access to some of the features, but it's kind of working. Oct 19 19:07:07 My dual core amd box has 4gb of ram.. my ps3 has 256mb of ram. Oct 19 19:07:11 No cell processor is used in a desktop machine. Oct 19 19:07:15 shapr: the more cell cpus won't help on standard apps though Oct 19 19:07:25 derf: Well, they are... it's just that $15k is too much for me to pay. Oct 19 19:07:30 Stslap, why? if the apps are multithreaded? Oct 19 19:07:38 Stslap: Sure, but I want to write highly parallel apps. Oct 19 19:07:40 The Mercury boxes are not for desktop machines. Oct 19 19:07:48 Stslap: Are you skeeps? Oct 19 19:07:54 There's a reason they're $15k. Oct 19 19:08:00 derf: And that is? Oct 19 19:08:07 shapr: cell are vector processors.. Oct 19 19:08:12 Stslap: Sure, I know that. Oct 19 19:08:17 I'm very familiar with the Cell. Oct 19 19:08:17 It helps in windows, you can run app, windows, virus checker, spyware checker, monkey thing and 7 trojans all at the same time Oct 19 19:08:22 They're for making custom hardware (e.g., military systems). Oct 19 19:08:27 derf: What?? Oct 19 19:08:34 alright then Oct 19 19:08:37 derf: Dude, it's just a CPU. Oct 19 19:08:40 ps3 are military! Oct 19 19:08:56 Anything where you need a large amount of processing power with a (relatively) small size/weight/power footprint. Oct 19 19:08:56 Admittedly, it's technically nine CPUs per die, but for some value of CPU. Oct 19 19:09:04 Like... my desktop! Oct 19 19:09:19 Thus my urge to get a decent desktop system that has one or more Cell cpus... Oct 19 19:09:28 Your desktop does not need that much processing power. Oct 19 19:09:38 lcuk810, lol, when ps2 was released in japan, they wouldn't let them export it due to fears the cpu could be used to control a nuclear bomb Oct 19 19:10:04 technically n8x0 dsp probably could too.. Oct 19 19:10:05 :P Oct 19 19:10:05 Be that as it may, I have about $5k hanging around, and the urge to build a Cell desktop with at least two Cell cores. Oct 19 19:10:10 propoganda Oct 19 19:10:20 just get a ps3 Oct 19 19:10:30 I have a PS3, I got it yesterday. Oct 19 19:10:42 then you have it Oct 19 19:10:53 shapr: Anyway, I work for a defense contractor. We do a lot of business with Mercury. Oct 19 19:10:56 256MB of ram is not overwhelming. Oct 19 19:10:59 what are you doing here then? Go play $some_good_game :) Oct 19 19:11:09 derf: I work for a defense contractor too, and I live near Mercury... Oct 19 19:11:22 "dad?" Oct 19 19:11:23 :P Oct 19 19:11:26 I have a PS3. I got it cheap because it has a dead bluray drive. I installed linux on it, and it's neat to play around with. It's pretty slow for most tasks, but if you use the SPUs properly you can get some interesting results. Oct 19 19:11:30 "Mom?" Oct 19 19:11:30 derf: But I still want a dual Cell desktop for at or around $5k Oct 19 19:11:32 shapr its better than a kick in the teeth, man has gotten to the moon using computers with less ram Oct 19 19:11:52 ss Oct 19 19:12:01 vad? Oct 19 19:12:11 jvla svenskara Oct 19 19:12:23 step off dude, svensk r0xx Oct 19 19:12:29 oh shit, my babelfish came loose Oct 19 19:12:34 Stslap: You're that skeeps guy aren't you? Oct 19 19:12:43 shapr: obviously Oct 19 19:12:46 lol, now we need a person to speak norwegian :p Oct 19 19:12:47 I knew it. Oct 19 19:12:52 lcuk810, not enough brain waves to sustain it? :) Oct 19 19:12:53 the rudeness gave it off? ;) Oct 19 19:12:57 you got it! Oct 19 19:12:59 danks! Oct 19 19:13:02 lol Oct 19 19:13:03 er, whatever... Oct 19 19:13:06 The PS3 is good enough to learn to develop for the cell. I don't know why anyone would buy one for a general desktop system. Oct 19 19:13:17 derf: Are there better options for desktop Cell systems? Oct 19 19:13:25 no Oct 19 19:13:25 This is my original question :-) Oct 19 19:13:39 and you get frwe game and movie with it Oct 19 19:13:40 Why not buy some equipment to solder some more RAM onto the PS3? :P Oct 19 19:13:47 wha more could you ask for Oct 19 19:13:53 I saw some article about Sis developing a cell gpu card with GPGPU applications in mind. That may be of interest. Oct 19 19:13:55 A decent desktop with Cell cores! Oct 19 19:14:14 Gracana: Yeah, Mercury sells one, but even that is $5k, and it has *huge* power requirements. Oct 19 19:14:26 The Sis one looks a lot saner. Oct 19 19:14:36 Oh, I didn't know about that one, thanks! Oct 19 19:14:42 gracana, all the gpu makers are aiming towards massively multicore designs, its gonna be great Oct 19 19:14:48 cell-based tablet! Oct 19 19:15:00 3 minute battery life Oct 19 19:15:06 lcuk810 is gonna watch 4x the giraffe porn! Oct 19 19:15:06 Sorry, S3: http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/17/via-owned-s3-graphics-crashes-the-gpgpu-party/ Oct 19 19:15:07 but while the battery works, WOW! Oct 19 19:15:13 but what a life it would be, lcuk810! Oct 19 19:15:34 gen i dont watch giraffeporn any more Oct 19 19:15:40 Gracana: That's not a Cell? Oct 19 19:15:43 not after the deepthroat i saw Oct 19 19:15:44 lcuk810, yeah, my laptop has intel graphics, thank god. Oct 19 19:15:45 Or is it, and I'm confused? Oct 19 19:16:08 shapr, er, you're right. Now I'm all confused. Oct 19 19:16:12 lcuk810, moving on to harder stuff? :P Oct 19 19:16:16 Gracana: Even so, good suggestion :-) Oct 19 19:16:18 * Gracana wonders where that article was Oct 19 19:16:44 heh Oct 19 19:16:58 shapr, spend $5k on 30 Beagle Boards then cluster them. Oct 19 19:19:55 speakin of clustering i was ponderin earlier about merging desktop and having an 800*960 resolution Oct 19 19:22:26 am gonna go read niven for a bit anyway Oct 19 19:22:44 cyas later Oct 19 19:26:15 lcuk, which book? Oct 19 19:33:55 juggler of worlds Oct 19 19:34:01 new dead tree one Oct 19 19:34:52 you do realise i just had to powerup 810 connect to network get vnc running just to stop my stupid desktop flashing :p Oct 19 19:35:28 * qwerty12_N800 waits for lcuk to go again. MUHAHAHA Oct 19 19:35:28 lcuk Oct 19 19:35:36 lol Oct 19 19:35:58 ys im warm and comfy lay in bed Oct 19 19:36:52 qwerty now im connected its not as much fun Oct 19 19:37:09 yeah gen? Oct 19 19:37:14 i'll be waiting... Oct 19 19:37:34 * qwerty12_N800 tries to make that sound not so pervy Oct 19 19:37:44 * moontiger was wondering Oct 19 19:37:48 lol Oct 19 19:38:10 lcuk Oct 19 19:38:28 its my fault for not closin desktop, i could just see it flashin in corner of my eye Oct 19 19:38:36 yer gan Oct 19 19:38:41 Hi. :P Oct 19 19:38:48 hiya lol Oct 19 19:39:15 :) Oct 19 19:39:24 eee channel is a bit dull, its all very technology based Oct 19 19:40:12 lcuk, u could try the cooking channel Oct 19 19:40:15 heheheheh Oct 19 19:40:25 might find those clone chics in there baking cookies Oct 19 19:40:34 :rolleyes: Oct 19 19:40:40 apart from one person asking how to connect a vagina to a digitl interface Oct 19 19:40:59 hmmmmmmmmm they make digital vibrators now? Oct 19 19:41:01 i think hes as bored as me lol Oct 19 19:41:09 iRabbit Oct 19 19:41:18 rofl Oct 19 19:41:46 moontiger, well, there is programs for phones that give it a vibrator function.... Oct 19 19:41:55 hehehe i know Oct 19 19:42:02 I'm so glad it's finally cold enough to turn off the AC Oct 19 19:42:37 Florida? Cold? :O Oct 19 19:42:59 Well, relatively speaking. Oct 19 19:43:05 Mid 70s Oct 19 19:43:16 wasnt there a console game which when you did well the ermmmmm feedback got greater Oct 19 19:43:23 Cool (no pun intended) :) Oct 19 19:43:33 and that wiimote has connotations Oct 19 19:43:42 Hehe Oct 19 19:44:05 its got a speaker - you can make god speak Oct 19 19:44:47 I like the Wii game where they make you hold the Wiimote up to your ear to answer your cellphone. Oct 19 19:45:31 theres loads of things like that gan, warioworld has a bunch Oct 19 19:45:42 Yes, I know. Oct 19 19:45:47 But that felt particularly original. Oct 19 19:47:01 heh, signal processing algo in wiimote has gotten better erecently Oct 19 19:47:38 Anyone tried a wii controler with the tablet? I'm tempted to buy one for the sole purpose of using on a tablet with either cwiid or wiicontrol. Oct 19 19:47:41 things like sports bowling and boxing werent quite right initially and easy to be doing the right thing but have it not respond properly Oct 19 19:48:11 duct tape it to the back and i bet i can find 50 uses for it Oct 19 19:48:14 Be nice once they get the new motion controllers Oct 19 19:48:23 i cant wait for hardware with accel Oct 19 19:48:27 qwerty12_N800, Navi uses one to play emulators on the bus. Oct 19 19:48:42 Cool, thanks Oct 19 19:48:48 The new ones will have gyroscopic rotation Oct 19 19:48:55 Instead of just x,y,z Oct 19 19:49:27 you mean motion plus for wii? Oct 19 19:49:44 Right Oct 19 19:49:54 Supposedly Nintendo will be integrating it into the Wiimote proper at some point. Oct 19 19:50:00 cos thats onl-y cos you then have a pair of xyz to get a vector in space instead of just point Oct 19 19:50:03 qwerty12_N800, build yourself a sensor bar, too. Oct 19 19:50:21 sensor bar is easiest aspect Oct 19 19:50:33 ok Oct 19 19:50:34 We don't get points in space from the accelerometers Oct 19 19:50:42 You get a point from the sensor bar. :P Oct 19 19:51:39 we get an acceleration from previous point Oct 19 19:52:06 The accelerometers report acceleration in gravities Oct 19 19:52:12 There's no points involved. Oct 19 19:52:40 does a wiimote work near a wormhole? Oct 19 19:53:04 * lcuk is havin 2 really odd convos.. Oct 19 19:53:21 I dunno how you think the Wiimote works, but I don't think it has anything to do with how it actually does. :P Oct 19 19:53:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerometer Oct 19 19:54:36 gan i know its got the camera to help orient it Oct 19 19:54:55 The camera is unrelated to the accelerometers. Oct 19 19:55:08 Hook up a Wiimote to your computer and look at the output. Oct 19 19:55:17 the camera gives frame of reference Oct 19 19:55:34 No it doesn't. Oct 19 19:55:43 Put your hand over the camera and see what the motion control does. Oct 19 19:55:49 They're entirely unrelated. Oct 19 19:56:37 alternatively, put ssensor bar on its side and see what happens Oct 19 19:56:48 its related Oct 19 19:56:55 Absolutely nothing to the motion control, that's for sure. Oct 19 19:57:15 orientation and framing Oct 19 19:57:16 The cursor position on screen doesn't have a damn thing to do with the accelerometers. Oct 19 19:58:04 the game can do whatever it wants Oct 19 19:58:16 use the ir camera data and the accel data Oct 19 19:58:28 i'm pretty sure some games use them to compensate each other Oct 19 19:58:48 Sure, but the functionality of each is unrelated to the other. Oct 19 19:59:10 and Nintendo certainly doesn't use accelerometer data to position the cursor at the home screen. Oct 19 19:59:28 yeah, it's just a pointer device by using two 2 ir spots then Oct 19 19:59:36 candles work fine.. Oct 19 20:05:35 * lcuk goes back to reading Oct 19 20:23:12 Is it possible to compile software on the N810? Oct 19 20:23:35 Like to install something using your standard ./configure && make && checkinstall? Oct 19 20:23:55 its possible to compile Oct 19 20:23:59 Sure Oct 19 20:24:01 add sdk repo ; apt install build-essential. Oct 19 20:24:10 but configure has dependencies which ruin the tablet without extreme foo Oct 19 20:24:12 Somebody needs to write up a wiki page already. :P Oct 19 20:24:16 s/apt/apt-get Oct 19 20:24:24 qwerty12_N800: and wreck your SSU? ;> Oct 19 20:24:35 That's unfortunate, I think. Oct 19 20:24:44 So the N810 cannot really be a desktop replacement yet, then? Oct 19 20:24:46 sandman, i develop on my 810 Oct 19 20:24:52 sandman: it's not meant as one Oct 19 20:25:01 Stskeeps, only if some stupid tosser dist-upgrades Oct 19 20:25:04 i can at least make on it :) Oct 19 20:25:20 sandman: but if you want to compile packages on maemo, it's going to be a uphill battle.. if you want a desktop, go for easy debian or deblet Oct 19 20:25:37 a desktop on your tablet * Oct 19 20:25:50 Deblet? Never heard of that before. Oct 19 20:25:51 yeah, that's deblet is short for Oct 19 20:25:59 "a DEsktop on your taBLET" Oct 19 20:26:00 :P Oct 19 20:26:05 Stskeeps, tonight when i was using vnc for the first time i thought i could use a full desktop based wm :) Oct 19 20:26:15 sandman: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet Oct 19 20:26:28 Ah. Oct 19 20:26:28 it is however not polished Oct 19 20:26:32 Yes. I think I'd probably want that. Oct 19 20:26:46 Sorta reminds me of installing Debian-ARM on the OpenMoko FreeRunner Oct 19 20:26:57 A more or less fully functional computer on your phone =) Oct 19 20:27:24 battery life goes down but if you're hacker, you're welcome to help out Oct 19 20:27:25 :P Oct 19 20:28:03 moo, sts Oct 19 20:28:07 moo, RST38h Oct 19 20:28:11 how's the MIPS? Oct 19 20:28:58 sts: Something is still broken. Works when stepping through GBA program using debugger, but core dumps during normal execution Oct 19 20:29:07 heisenbugs, yay Oct 19 20:29:08 :P Oct 19 20:31:01 ah. Vorfhreffekt. bugs happening when demonstrating the software Oct 19 20:31:08 yep Oct 19 20:31:31 But those Germans have got even better word that stands for "Broken through improvement" Oct 19 20:42:52 heisenbug Oct 19 20:46:06 do you think the flasher is compatible (at some level) with other nokia phones? Oct 19 20:46:46 No. Oct 19 20:46:54 nah, use phoenix Oct 19 20:47:06 Ok. Oct 19 20:47:12 GeneralAntilles: well, -- n95 does use nolo Oct 19 20:47:18 so on some bizarre level maybe Oct 19 20:48:09 Stskeeps, lots of phone components are shared with tablet. *cough* bb5 platform *cough* Oct 19 20:48:23 yeah, initfs kinda gives that away Oct 19 20:48:45 i realised that before looking there :) Oct 19 20:49:01 hmm, initfs shared? Oct 19 20:49:09 dsp code is shared Oct 19 20:49:10 n95 uses x-loader too Oct 19 20:49:19 lardman: not linux though Oct 19 20:49:36 Stskeeps: so it uses an initfs, but not linux? Oct 19 20:50:07 I should say DSP code was inherited, not sure how many changes needed to be made Oct 19 20:50:38 lardman: nolo is not initfs Oct 19 20:50:50 they share NOLO and X-Loader, but rest, probably not Oct 19 20:50:55 I know, you said the inirfs "gave it away" Oct 19 20:51:16 lardman: yeah, there's a bb5 something file in OS2008 initfs Oct 19 20:51:25 ah, I see Oct 19 20:51:25 so hence n8x0 is on the bb5 platform Oct 19 20:52:00 lardman, initfs has bb5 programs that are used with the high security feature of the processor in the n810w to generate /dev/urandom Oct 19 20:52:13 ah Oct 19 20:52:33 * lardman goes back to sleep now ;) Oct 19 20:52:48 + retu can even be found in an n7= Oct 19 20:52:51 *n70 Oct 19 20:52:59 heh, night lardman Oct 19 20:53:12 qwerty12_N800: yeah, that's common knowledge though isn't it? Oct 19 20:53:29 will be back Oct 19 20:53:43 lardman, indeed, but that just enforces the fact of it being bb5 Oct 19 20:53:45 i wonder if bb5 has some things that can be abused by tablet.. Oct 19 20:55:07 a recent version of phoenix can connect to n800 via usb cable but cant do shit. you need the hardware mentioned in the l3 + l4 service manual Oct 19 20:56:08 that reminds me. i need to get updated flash files for phoenix to reflect the ssu updates Oct 19 21:23:39 qwerty12_N800: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/archive/kexec-arm-r1.patch Oct 19 21:23:58 or http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/kexec/2008-February/001272.html Oct 19 21:24:06 hehe Oct 19 21:24:36 go on, apply it and test it out :p Oct 19 21:24:42 hehe Oct 19 21:24:58 ca in install maemo on symbian based phones? Oct 19 21:25:11 no Oct 19 21:25:20 why? Oct 19 21:25:30 kristian_paul: with a lot of pain and tears and illegit activity, and lack of hardware support, maybe Oct 19 21:25:41 i see Oct 19 21:25:44 thanks Oct 19 21:26:51 then again Oct 19 21:27:00 anything can be accomplished with a lot of pain and tears Oct 19 21:28:20 Hardware support is really the issue. Oct 19 21:28:27 Cellular is guaranteed not to work. Oct 19 21:32:32 where is dsme, btw? Oct 19 21:33:32 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm Oct 19 21:33:47 yeah, i know Oct 19 21:33:48 :P Oct 19 21:34:13 where as what sense then? Oct 19 21:35:13 well they were supposed to open it Oct 19 21:35:24 ah, skeen Oct 19 21:35:25 btw this is an interesting screenshot for my whole conspiracy Oct 19 21:35:26 http://codethink.co.uk/~robtaylor/newhal.png Oct 19 21:35:47 (robtaylor, OHM) Oct 19 21:36:10 .. or not Oct 19 21:36:14 * Stskeeps continues chasing ghosts Oct 19 21:37:15 i kinda wonder why nokia chose OHM of all things though - the thing hasn't been developed since sep 07 Oct 19 21:37:17 Stskeeps: hello? =) Oct 19 21:37:35 oh Oct 19 21:37:36 hi Oct 19 21:37:47 Stskeeps: what would you like to know exactly? ;) Oct 19 21:37:55 robtaylor: well how finished OHM really is Oct 19 21:38:12 i'm just chasing some speculation about nokia's use of various tech for the new OS, so :P Oct 19 21:38:43 (and while i meanwhile curse that irssi doesn't have a channel membership list on the sidebar) Oct 19 21:39:16 Stskeeps: I'm afraid you'll have to wait a while, but I will say, keep an eye on the OHM mailing list .. Oct 19 21:39:23 alright Oct 19 21:39:35 * qwerty12_N800 has been looking for http://lekernel.net/scrapbook/fbbmenu770.html for a long time Oct 19 21:39:45 ohm+upstart seems like the right thing(TM) for power management on tablet though Oct 19 21:39:53 Stskeeps: yes, I'd agree Oct 19 21:40:24 though i think upstard needs some caching of its init files for fast loading Oct 19 21:41:24 yeah.. does ubuntu even have proper service descriptions of traditional services or does nokia have to end up writing themselves? didn't look too much at adaptation Oct 19 21:41:38 i know debian doesn't have it beyond lsb init headers Oct 19 22:17:36 night all Oct 19 22:29:38 Stskeeps , johnx ? you guys around? Oct 19 23:13:44 hola Oct 19 23:23:19 where are all the themes for OS2008 on maemo.org? all i can find are two. Oct 19 23:23:49 themes are overrated Oct 19 23:24:52 hheh Oct 19 23:25:11 There really aren't that many themes. Oct 19 23:26:45 apparently there are 2. other than the ones installed. ;) Oct 19 23:27:42 LCARS is fun Oct 19 23:27:44 Plankton is OK Oct 19 23:30:04 if i ever install a theme itll probably be lcars :d Oct 19 23:31:44 plankton isnt on maemo.org Oct 19 23:33:40 I didn't say they would be. Oct 19 23:33:41 Google. Oct 19 23:39:56 nite Oct 19 23:39:57 I feel too nerdy when I tried the lcars theme Oct 19 23:48:02 It is just a bit obscene, isn't it, ljp? ;0 Oct 20 00:34:51 I wonder what triggers the LED to go to PatternPsychedelia Oct 20 00:36:32 I don't think anything does. Oct 20 00:36:36 You'd have to trigger it yourself. Oct 20 00:36:44 The person i was going to buy the nokia 800 didnt show up -.-( was buying off someone from craigslist ) Oct 20 00:36:53 Does anyone know a way i can buy one? used preferably Oct 20 00:36:57 live in Toronto, Canada Oct 20 00:36:57 <|rt|> in ssh how do you press alt? Oct 20 00:40:13 GeneralAntilles: so ti's just an easter egg, I guess. Oct 20 00:42:48 Is $180 CAD, a lot for the Nokia 800 used? Oct 20 00:48:19 zakkm: yeah Oct 20 00:49:09 it is? Oct 20 00:49:13 how much should i be buying it for? Oct 20 00:50:32 I got mine new for 269 this time last year Oct 20 00:51:04 Someone is selling used $250 Oct 20 00:51:06 but i think its too much Oct 20 00:51:08 heh Oct 20 00:51:20 i was suppose to buy n 800 today.. for $150 -used Oct 20 00:51:23 person didnt show up -.- Oct 20 00:52:14 hmmm, I bought mine, pricematched, at ncix.com. Thought the price would have come down more Oct 20 00:52:28 can't remember where i got that price from though Oct 20 00:52:54 they dont sell n800's anymmmroe Oct 20 00:53:01 nope Oct 20 00:53:12 they do in brazil but... Oct 20 00:53:19 more than buying a n810 in store here.. price wise Oct 20 00:54:34 hmmm, none of the comparison sites have anything useful either Oct 20 00:55:39 * doc|home all out of ideas, sorry Oct 20 01:00:29 haha its okay, thanks Oct 20 01:47:01 hi guys Oct 20 01:47:25 Hello Oct 20 01:47:56 quick dev questions: I'm trying to test getting location from gps (sdk 4.1), and apparently there is no location library on my system Oct 20 01:48:06 I can compile, but the linker can't find symbols Oct 20 01:48:11 I'm compiling with this: Oct 20 01:48:20 g++ main.cc -o main `pkg-config --cflags --libs liblocation` Oct 20 01:48:43 Does someone know why I can have the headers, but not the lib? Oct 20 01:56:07 heh Oct 20 02:11:09 How can I see my ip address on my N810? Oct 20 02:11:27 It's in connection manager, appropriately enough. Oct 20 02:12:07 I mean for USB networking Oct 20 02:12:24 It's whatever you set it to be. Oct 20 02:12:30 I trying to setup a ssh session for Eclipse-Pluthon. Oct 20 02:13:02 Yeah, But I set it a long time ago and forgot it like an idiot. Oct 20 02:13:25 is there a console commnd like ifconfig? Oct 20 02:13:43 ifconfig? Oct 20 02:14:09 I guess that's a windows command. Oct 20 02:14:21 for seeing network settings. Oct 20 02:14:47 No Oct 20 02:14:48 What I meant is Oct 20 02:14:53 a maemo Linux command Oct 20 02:15:01 Is ifconfig enough like ifconfig for you? . . . . Oct 20 02:16:00 I'm not following you. I get ifconfig not found. Oct 20 02:16:19 Works here Oct 20 02:16:33 /sbin/ifconfig ? Oct 20 02:17:25 i started up my Xterm on my N810 and type "ifconfig". But It gives me "ifconfig: not found". Oct 20 02:17:35 Tanks I'll try that. Oct 20 02:17:37 Try it as root? Oct 20 02:18:18 That worked. Thanks for your help. Oct 20 02:19:48 /sbin and /usr/sbin aren't in your path by default, if you add them you can run those commands without being root (and without root privileges, of course) Oct 20 02:21:57 Thanks Gracana. Oct 20 02:26:56 what file would have the ipaddress. When I installed PCConnectivity I wrote the IP address down somewher but lost track of that. Oct 20 02:28:25 ifconfig will show you. ifconfig wlan0, I believe. It will output several lines, one of which says inet addr:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Oct 20 02:29:00 Or you can just run ifconfig and scroll to find the appropriate device/line Oct 20 02:29:46 thanks again Oct 20 02:30:02 no problem Oct 20 02:33:09 I see an IP address. Is there a file where I can edit it? Oct 20 02:39:47 * lcuk is sad Oct 20 02:41:11 There there Oct 20 02:41:22 * GAN800 pats lcuk on the shoulder. Oct 20 02:41:59 im gonna be responsible for more full partitions than anything else :'( Oct 20 02:42:42 ive linked in the camera and screenshot taking ability directly into liqbase on the fullscreen key Oct 20 02:42:55 you can view them in the image viewer thingy Oct 20 02:45:59 i can finally put a face to a name if i simply take a snap whilst meeting them and write down notes as i currently do:) Oct 20 02:59:52 lcuk: person went to the mall 2min from my house, i went to a mall that took me a 45min bus each way -.- **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 20 02:59:57 2008