**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 22 02:59:57 2008 Oct 22 03:02:50 i'll sneak at palm software donwloads and steal some ideaz Oct 22 03:02:54 .. :D Oct 22 03:03:14 Audio compression on HD commercials is obscene. Oct 22 03:03:47 ? Oct 22 03:04:04 Commercials are way too loud. Oct 22 03:04:44 GeneralAntilles: i'm cracking my neighbourhood with Supertramp Oct 22 03:04:59 sure they are pissed Oct 22 03:05:55 GeneralAntilles: do know about Java in maemo ? Oct 22 03:06:04 Not anywhere useful yet. Oct 22 03:07:20 GeneralAntilles: what is the best thing to do with a NIT Oct 22 03:07:26 maybe i dont know.. :S Oct 22 03:07:28 IRC on the can? Oct 22 03:07:43 translate.. Oct 22 03:07:46 Haha Oct 22 03:07:56 You probably don't want to know. :P Oct 22 03:07:56 i didnt get it Oct 22 03:08:11 hit me Oct 22 03:08:14 go ahead Oct 22 03:08:35 Slang term for "bathroom". Oct 22 03:08:48 haha Oct 22 03:09:08 www.notiblog.com <-- good argentinian meat :D Oct 22 03:09:10 for export Oct 22 03:09:40 Maybe relevant: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Personal_Accounts Oct 22 03:10:21 you just called my newbie Oct 22 03:10:24 haha Oct 22 03:19:17 GeneralAntilles: i mostly do the same things Oct 22 03:19:50 but here i cant show it too much, because there a lot of burglars Oct 22 03:21:07 Ouch Oct 22 03:21:34 the street is a jungle Oct 22 03:21:43 You need to fill one of the SD slots with C4. :P Oct 22 03:22:04 A tablet for your hands Oct 22 03:22:31 i mostly use it on campus where wifi is very good Oct 22 03:23:56 its a shame how n800 screen is barely legible under sun light Oct 22 03:24:45 Got a screen protector? Oct 22 03:25:02 yes Oct 22 03:25:19 That'd be why it's "barely legible" and not "completely illegible" then? :P Oct 22 03:25:27 haha Oct 22 03:25:39 its an average quality one Oct 22 03:25:58 n810 is much better under sunlight i heard Oct 22 03:26:04 Yeah, transflective. Oct 22 03:26:15 :( Oct 22 03:27:55 GeneralAntilles: file manager is a pain Oct 22 03:28:05 No kidding Oct 22 03:28:13 GeneralAntilles: any tip on that ? Oct 22 03:28:13 I use sftp, usually. Oct 22 03:30:01 emelfm2 is OK, too. Oct 22 03:30:24 yes emelfm2 has been my option since i discovered it Oct 22 03:30:45 still needs speed Oct 22 03:30:54 is the worst in maemo Oct 22 03:30:57 file manager Oct 22 03:31:00 s Oct 22 03:32:24 I just use a GUI sftp client from a real computer to do file management. Oct 22 03:32:35 FUSE with sshfs might also work. Oct 22 03:33:36 with a pc is easy.. the problem is when you are alone with the IT Oct 22 03:33:49 I try to avoid flie management then. ;) Oct 22 03:34:20 lol Oct 22 03:34:44 stupid chinook i want to rotate it Oct 22 03:34:55 but the fucking file is off the internet Oct 22 03:35:03 i'll be flashing soon.. Oct 22 03:35:10 It'll be worth it. ;) Oct 22 03:35:50 what you use, n800 or n810 ? Oct 22 03:36:52 770 and N800 Oct 22 03:37:20 770 i saw one once Oct 22 03:37:26 i love the hardcover Oct 22 03:37:38 the stupid sock of the n800 is shit Oct 22 03:37:38 I prefer the kickstand Oct 22 03:37:47 They're durable devices Oct 22 03:37:51 GeneralAntilles: i needs more angle Oct 22 03:37:59 as long as you don't keep metal shaving in your pockets Oct 22 03:38:14 N810's kickstand goes back more. Oct 22 03:38:22 kickstand needs more angle for my taste Oct 22 03:38:26 thats good Oct 22 03:38:35 Has anyone else found their n810 kickstand to become loose? Oct 22 03:38:48 My N800's kickstand is a bit loose. Oct 22 03:39:11 you could fix it Oct 22 03:39:18 white the proper torx Oct 22 03:39:22 i guess.. Oct 22 03:39:23 I'm with disco_stu, the angle's no good Oct 22 03:39:25 * doc|home dances Oct 22 03:39:41 Hard to find torx Oct 22 03:39:47 Especially one that small. Oct 22 03:40:16 Hehe, well, what I mean to say "that's a hard to find torx size" Oct 22 03:40:32 Not that torx are necessarily hard to find in general (you can get a good set at Radio Shack or Home Depot here) Oct 22 03:41:53 GeneralAntilles: 8000km away home Oct 22 03:42:15 :| Oct 22 03:44:21 We don't have a very good hardware store here. I would be lucky to find torx, and any torx I would find would be relatively very large, We do have a Radio Shack, but it's basically a glorified AT&T/Sprint/Dish Network outlet. Besides, they have a 300% markup on everything. Oct 22 03:44:37 More like 600% Oct 22 03:44:57 Not too terrible for a $2 set of screw drivers, though. ;) Oct 22 03:45:02 Ah, is it that high now? I try to avoid it. Oct 22 03:45:30 Which is sad Oct 22 03:45:42 It'd be a cool place if the prices weren't so horrifyingly outrageous Oct 22 03:45:48 They used to be a pretty good store. Oct 22 03:46:00 But that was at least 15 years ago. Oct 22 03:46:26 I could really go for a retail version of newegg. Oct 22 03:47:30 I agree. The only thing around here that was mildly close was CompUSA, and they're bankrupt now. Oct 22 03:48:14 Best Buy is just so horrifyingly awful. Oct 22 03:48:57 I went in there to buy a game and the cashier basically called me an idiot because I didn't sign up for their rewards program or buy a warranty. Oct 22 03:49:58 GeneralAntilles: did you beat that guy ? Oct 22 03:50:02 Woman Oct 22 03:50:05 I came close Oct 22 03:50:11 it is. And Circuit City is even worse. It's very dark and gloomy there, and when I asked a clerk a question, he lied and made something up rather than saying he didn't know. Oct 22 03:50:14 but figured it probably wasn't worth making a scene over. Oct 22 03:50:20 GeneralAntilles: you could grab a boob a least Oct 22 03:50:22 haha Oct 22 03:50:37 I actually prefer Circuit City Oct 22 03:50:54 The clerks don't harass you and there isn't insanely loud music blasting all the time. Oct 22 03:51:26 GeneralAntilles: how old are you ? Oct 22 03:51:32 21 Oct 22 03:51:32 you sound like my dad Oct 22 03:51:38 lol Oct 22 03:51:46 you re younger than i Oct 22 03:51:48 :( Oct 22 03:51:53 Hehe Oct 22 03:54:13 When are the new servers coming? Oct 22 03:54:18 This is getting a touch ridiculous. Oct 22 03:54:28 GeneralAntilles: what servers ? Oct 22 03:54:56 CSS ? Oct 22 03:55:14 maemo.org Oct 22 03:55:17 Wiki isn't working Oct 22 03:56:36 GeneralAntilles: do you use claws for email ? Oct 22 03:57:23 * disco_stu storms GeneralAntilles with stupid questions.. Oct 22 03:57:42 Nah, Claws sucks for finger use Oct 22 03:57:43 Modest. Oct 22 03:58:01 osso-email then ? Oct 22 03:58:28 ah modest Oct 22 03:59:06 Another Diablo improvement. Oct 22 03:59:35 you sound like you've sold your soul Oct 22 03:59:37 lol Oct 22 03:59:51 Hehe Oct 22 03:59:55 The codenames are winds Oct 22 04:02:53 well i'm gonna with the bed Oct 22 04:03:15 i'll be here tomorrow, nice chat :) Oct 22 04:03:21 see you Oct 22 04:25:23 * GeneralAntilles hates Comcast so much. Oct 22 04:27:00 * Proteous does tooooo Oct 22 04:27:17 Is it too much to ask for an internet connection that actually works? Oct 22 04:27:28 seems so Oct 22 04:27:35 well, from comcast anyway Oct 22 04:27:39 DSL extreme FTW Oct 22 04:27:45 I have Brighthouse back home Oct 22 04:27:50 15/2 Oct 22 04:27:53 works great all the time Oct 22 04:52:43 GeneralAntilles, Kay well I'm going with the one you said Oct 22 04:52:55 You wont regret it! Oct 22 05:13:15 night Oct 22 05:16:29 GeneralAntilles, once you get a fix you can just drop it in your pocket right? Oct 22 05:16:38 If you're walking... Oct 22 05:16:40 Or just leave it in your pocket Oct 22 05:16:46 It'll get a fix through denim Oct 22 05:18:02 Wish the n810 could charge through USB Oct 22 05:18:11 There's an adaptor Oct 22 05:18:37 USB doesn't really provide enough juice. Oct 22 05:19:00 Nokia didn't have any other USB-charging devices when the N810 was developed, anyway. Oct 22 05:23:55 hmm Oct 22 05:25:29 Well, it doesn't make sense for Nokia to use a charger on only one device Oct 22 05:27:50 Sure it does. Oct 22 05:27:55 then they could start using it on other things. Oct 22 05:28:08 err..... if you meant charging through usb Oct 22 05:28:09 anyway Oct 22 05:28:12 it's time for bed. Oct 22 07:03:37 I've got an N810, what are my options for getting internet access via bluetooth when the machine that has the internet connection is running XP? Oct 22 07:03:44 PAN Oct 22 07:03:48 ~bluetooth-pan Oct 22 07:03:49 bluetooth-pan is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN Oct 22 07:04:30 hello Oct 22 07:04:44 I've a question about grabbing ppp configuration from maemo Oct 22 07:04:46 thanks GeneralAntilles Oct 22 07:05:02 see, I'm trying to copy the BT DUN settings to my laptop - bluez is now set up and paired correctly Oct 22 07:05:04 but I'm missing ppp settings :) Oct 22 07:05:21 esp. chat string Oct 22 07:05:28 usicow, the tablet-side of things should be fairly straightforward. Not sure about XP. Oct 22 07:05:38 AStorm, have you tried hitting it with a stick? Oct 22 07:06:02 AStorm: if you mean about getting settings for an already added connection, look in gconf Oct 22 07:06:14 qwerty12: hmmm Oct 22 07:06:21 but there won't be all there, right? Oct 22 07:06:34 qwerty12, you've got another mention coming up on planet. :P Oct 22 07:06:36 I can grab the user name, password and number all right Oct 22 07:06:44 the chat string is what I'm missing Oct 22 07:06:51 and I suspect that won't be in gconf Oct 22 07:07:10 AStorm: probably not. there's a package which has the list of operators. I'd dig it up for you but I really have to *go* Oct 22 07:07:11 I'll try the default Hayes, might work Oct 22 07:07:15 GeneralAntilles: lol, why? Oct 22 07:07:16 :) Oct 22 07:07:34 I suspect chat string is more related to the device than ISP Oct 22 07:07:39 qwerty12, nothing exciting, but you'll see. Oct 22 07:07:45 ok Oct 22 07:07:47 Bye Oct 22 07:07:52 hmm Oct 22 07:08:08 so I'll have to guess through phone's AT command set. Ouch. Oct 22 07:08:22 The tablets make it too easy to set up DUN. Oct 22 07:08:26 There should be more suffering. Oct 22 07:09:00 harhar Oct 22 07:09:12 I just want the chat string for ppp they're using Oct 22 07:09:36 it's not stored in some config file... apparently Oct 22 07:09:37 "Hit it with a stick" is the beginning and end of my suggestions. Oct 22 07:09:44 hit *what*? ;P Oct 22 07:09:46 Hit up -developers? Oct 22 07:09:51 Both things? Oct 22 07:09:57 hahaha, that won't work Oct 22 07:09:59 First one, then the other? Oct 22 07:10:11 really, that will only destroy both Oct 22 07:10:21 and then I'll have no internet connection at all Oct 22 07:10:22 = fail Oct 22 07:10:24 ;P Oct 22 07:10:26 Well, you don't have to hit them HARD Oct 22 07:10:33 just enough to let 'em know who's boss. Oct 22 07:10:45 that wasn't funny enough for some reason Oct 22 07:11:00 while maemo-developers will take ages Oct 22 07:11:09 Patrik Flykt is probably the guy you're after. Oct 22 07:11:13 I have enough problems with current connection to even *consider* using BT DUN Oct 22 07:11:41 He's been active on -developers recently, so the turnaround may be a bit faster. Oct 22 07:11:42 before I send the question, get reply, the connection will die for another two days Oct 22 07:12:11 heh, if only I could get a nice prompt with ppp Oct 22 07:16:11 In my application manager, I can see Nokia catalogue, Nokia catalogue (3rd party software), Nokia System Software Updates, and maemo Extras. Am I missing another default repository? Oct 22 07:17:42 Nope, that's all. Oct 22 07:19:07 just enable maemo Extras :) Oct 22 07:19:27 hmm, now ppp connects, but I'm still missing the chat script Oct 22 07:19:51 I need a tool that will connect to this /dev/rfcomm0 modem and give me a prompt Oct 22 07:20:06 so I can try some commands Oct 22 07:48:41 GeneralAntilles: ping? Oct 22 07:48:48 X-Fade, pong. Oct 22 07:49:21 GeneralAntilles: Ed is going to add warnings when somebody uses a wrong section on a package. Oct 22 07:49:55 GeneralAntilles: We might want to get a sane list of sections this week, so we can at least start with that ;) Oct 22 07:50:10 * GeneralAntilles hates figuring out categories. Oct 22 07:50:20 Sounds good, anyway. Oct 22 07:50:32 There's a Planet post coming up for the sections discussion. Oct 22 07:51:43 I sent another blizzard of emails to maintainers (and some round-two emails to maintainers that didn't reply the last time). Oct 22 07:52:04 I've also started bugging people about using Maemo-specific fields Oct 22 07:52:07 yeah, I saw your blog post ;) Oct 22 07:52:13 Hehe Oct 22 07:52:13 OK Oct 22 07:57:49 hmm, I'm getting PPP Naks after first addr negotiation Oct 22 08:17:08 Morning, all Oct 22 08:17:12 hmm, how do I get a log of what is maemo's ppp doing on connect? Oct 22 08:17:20 does that go to syslog, or somewhere else? Oct 22 08:19:12 also, I don't have any syslog in diablo repos - is that intentional? :P Oct 22 08:20:23 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/ Oct 22 08:20:25 Interesting Oct 22 08:20:31 ~maemo-man is http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/ Oct 22 08:20:32 okay, GeneralAntilles Oct 22 08:23:53 I think this UPS package is going to go all over the State before it makes it here. Oct 22 08:27:53 morning Oct 22 08:28:16 Hi, hrw. Oct 22 08:38:11 hi Oct 22 08:40:59 hm so now let me see how upload assistant work Oct 22 08:41:01 *g* Oct 22 08:43:05 woglinde: Please let me know if you run into problems :) Oct 22 08:43:29 sure first I use my brain and read the doku Oct 22 08:45:55 ah frist request invitation Oct 22 08:59:55 * Stskeeps yawns Oct 22 09:06:42 args Oct 22 09:06:56 hm cant upload yet Oct 22 09:07:12 first libxmuu1 needs to be in extra devels Oct 22 09:10:14 args why are the garage accounts not map to the bugtracker Oct 22 09:12:36 woglinde: Invitation is in the mail ;) Oct 22 09:27:09 hah, I forgot to select APN Oct 22 09:27:56 also, stupid phone accepts only one DUN connection at a time Oct 22 09:28:05 and for some reason gets a funny remote address Oct 22 09:28:12 I'll have to steal the one n810 gets Oct 22 09:29:27 hmm, the funny remote number is irrelevant ;P Oct 22 09:29:44 as it doesn't need a default route to work Oct 22 09:29:56 I mean, no gateway Oct 22 09:30:46 weird setup they have at Orange... I'd snipe the admin for disabling all forms of compression Oct 22 09:31:00 of course, that could be a ploy to get more money out of people Oct 22 09:31:06 or reduce "load" on the servers Oct 22 09:31:14 ~lart the pgpkey interface on garage Oct 22 09:31:14 * infobot calls the pgpkey interface on garage on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home Oct 22 09:31:41 ~lart stupid Orange ppp Oct 22 09:31:41 * infobot stamps stupid Orange ppp on the forehead with the official Troll marker Oct 22 09:31:59 woglinde: pgpkey isn't mandatory anymore, so you can do without. Oct 22 09:32:13 x-fade yes Oct 22 09:32:19 wow, the phone has a single-connection bluetooth chip Oct 22 09:32:23 what a failure Oct 22 09:32:39 I know, embedded is embedded, but this is horrible :> Oct 22 09:32:42 x-fade saw this but I think sginging is a good idea if I can Oct 22 09:32:56 woglinde: Yep. Oct 22 09:33:28 xfade hm is it okay if there are linebreaks if I submit it via the webinterface? Oct 22 09:33:39 morning all Oct 22 09:34:49 hi lardman Oct 22 09:35:26 woglinde: I think they will get stripped out. But if you can please remove them to be sure.. Oct 22 09:36:11 x-fade hm this a pain with web interface Oct 22 09:36:29 woglinde: Just copy/paste? Oct 22 09:37:49 yes and then it is borken Oct 22 09:39:20 hm okay Oct 22 09:39:23 found a way Oct 22 09:44:00 args Oct 22 09:44:23 why the hell the maemo formular does not check about dsa and rsa keys Oct 22 09:44:42 I choosed as usal dsa variant Oct 22 09:45:35 woglinde: The source code is in svn ;) Oct 22 09:45:46 woglinde: Shall I send you a new invitation. Oct 22 09:47:00 Anyone know of a site with GTK+ skeleton code, /me needs a crash course Oct 22 09:47:15 xfade yes please Oct 22 09:47:27 x-fade it is on the wikipage Oct 22 09:47:47 I mean to produce a rsa key Oct 22 09:47:56 sorry I didnt read it Oct 22 09:48:27 lardman: c ? python ? Oct 22 09:48:45 a, forgot about that, C please Oct 22 09:49:14 x-fade hm what I have to take care that the packages ends up in extra-devel not extra? Oct 22 09:49:18 http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/gui_toolkit_guides/gtk+_gnome_application_development/index.html Oct 22 09:49:54 chapter II should do the trick Oct 22 09:50:09 woglinde: Nothing. It always ends up in extras-devel. Oct 22 09:50:16 ah dput.conf Oct 22 09:50:33 woglinde: You need to promote a package from extras-devel to extras. Oct 22 09:50:41 melmoth: that focuses on Gnome? Oct 22 09:50:46 woglinde: There is no way to directly upload to extras. Oct 22 09:50:55 x-fade okay fine Oct 22 09:51:14 http://zetcode.com/tutorials/gtktutorial/firstprograms/ looks interesting too Oct 22 09:51:25 x-fade whats the easiest way to get a library which is only available in sdk to extras-devel? Oct 22 09:51:35 I really need libxmuu1 for one program Oct 22 09:51:38 lardman: gnome is build with gtk widgets. So most of the stuff will be relevant Oct 22 09:51:56 ok, thanks Oct 22 09:51:56 woglinde: There is a discussion going on about that on -developers. Oct 22 09:52:22 woglinde: At the moment, you need to upload that lib to extras-devel first. Oct 22 09:52:53 Which is pretty annoying, but we still need to a solution for that. Oct 22 09:53:06 melmoth: The other thing I was wondering, is what one does when one has multiple views. Presumably you connect the signals for all the objects (buttons, lists, etc.) and only display the ones for the view in question? Oct 22 09:54:02 x-fade so I just can do it whitout upset someone? Oct 22 09:54:15 i never did that, but i guess they should share the same model (gstore list somtheing) and change in the model will be signaled to the veiw automatically Oct 22 09:54:26 http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.14/ch02.html looks quite useful too, especially for one with no experience of what the toolkit offers Oct 22 09:55:05 ~ping Oct 22 09:55:06 ~pong Oct 22 09:55:09 woglinde: Grab the source package from the sdk and upload it. When the discussion comes to a conclusion, I will clean up the repo ;) Oct 22 09:55:19 lardman: what do you need to build ? Oct 22 09:55:26 x-fade okay thank you very much Oct 22 09:55:50 melmoth: I'm going to hack a decent gui + db system together for maemo-barcode Oct 22 09:55:59 s/decent/sort of working ;) Oct 22 09:57:14 lardman: if you do not have it already install, install "devhelp". Oct 22 09:57:25 expand on the current upc code saving to allow users to save lists of their existing CDs/DVDs/Books/shopping lists and to lookup against them, etc, Oct 22 09:57:36 * lardman googles devhelp Oct 22 09:57:51 it s the gnome/gtk/glib documentation tool Oct 22 09:57:58 all library are documented there. Oct 22 09:58:12 ah ok Oct 22 09:58:34 and consider using something like glade to make your interface Oct 22 09:58:42 hmm Oct 22 09:58:51 I've never had much luck with glade Oct 22 09:59:17 perhaps this time will be better :) Oct 22 09:59:21 there is a slight trick when doing it with maemo: you have to reparent conatianer of the main window to a hidlon window. Oct 22 09:59:37 Glade allows you to graphically layout? Oct 22 10:00:20 yep Oct 22 10:00:22 melmoth: yeah, I've done hello world and that sort of stuff, I just wanted to know more about how to structure larger applications, with multiple "views" (though not in the classical sense of view of a set of data) Oct 22 10:00:59 with glade, you just create all you window once, and hide them when they are not supposed to be shown Oct 22 10:01:23 i made a really simple gtk thingy with glade (in python though) https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/frontend/?root=phonehome Oct 22 10:01:38 the function call and the logic is the same in C. Oct 22 10:01:41 * GAN800 sighs at maemo.org Oct 22 10:02:09 GAN800: What is the problem? Oct 22 10:02:10 melmoth: creating multiple windows - doesn't that produce multiple windows on the taskbar? Oct 22 10:02:19 I wonder if throwing Quim's completion estimation back will help Oct 22 10:02:36 X-Fade it's 'make a cup of tea for every page' slow Oct 22 10:02:47 GAN800: I really don't have that? Oct 22 10:02:54 it depends on the type of the window, if it s a dialog window, i dont think so. Oct 22 10:03:05 yes, that's true Oct 22 10:03:19 wiki throws blank pages or errors half the time Oct 22 10:03:38 I'd prefer to not have the memory overhead of leaving multiple hidden windows, seems wasteful Oct 22 10:03:45 There's problems with installing the SDK Oct 22 10:04:15 you can still create them , and destroy them when not needed. i guess :) Oct 22 10:04:18 GAN800: maemo.org itself is pretty responsive to me. There are some slow pages, but overall it is a lot better than it was. Oct 22 10:04:32 It's all a bit shitty and slow and it was supposed to be fixed 'well before' the end of the 100 days. Oct 22 10:04:38 <_marcell_> getting rid of squid would help a lot on the wiki & empty page problem Oct 22 10:05:13 Trying to load the trademark page the other day was like watching paint dry Oct 22 10:05:44 Logging in to rate articles is less enjoyable than pulling your own fingernails out Oct 22 10:06:30 Garage svn being unbelievably slow or just timing out Oct 22 10:06:57 All of this add up to making it really hard for me to coax people into using maemo.org stuff Oct 22 10:07:00 GAN800: I really don't have any problems with garage svn. Honest. Oct 22 10:07:16 GAN800: And I have been using it a few times this morning? Oct 22 10:08:23 moontiger timed out on it a day or two ago and it was slow as can be last time I did an svn up on liqbase Oct 22 10:08:56 Specific anecdotals aside, it just needs to work. Oct 22 10:10:35 garage is looking pretty idle at the moment. There should be no slowness. Oct 22 10:12:04 That's fine, but I'm speaking generally. Oct 22 10:12:24 There have been problems in the past week. Oct 22 10:13:09 Please ping me if you notice something, so I can check it out. Oct 22 10:13:39 Fair enough. Oct 22 10:23:02 args where was the side were I can download flasher Oct 22 10:24:14 ~flashing Oct 22 10:24:15 it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 22 10:24:19 tablets-dev.nokia.com? Oct 22 10:24:39 d3.php Oct 22 10:24:45 GAN800, you had problems with svn? i keep commiting and updating and haven't noticed any problems with that aspect so far. the website and wiki and downloads are slower than an unplugged xz 81 however Oct 22 10:25:02 mornin btw :D Oct 22 10:25:06 zx ^ Oct 22 10:25:34 lcuk, when I ran the up just before starting on the site. Oct 22 10:26:27 thanks Oct 22 10:28:04 yeah, i know when you mean, and probably there are occasions when it is slow (qole and stskeeps uploading massive projects ;)). but that part of the site does not use sql databases where the rest does (which is where email suggests the problem lies) Oct 22 10:28:36 we rarely hear about svn problems but ALWAYS hear about "the fudging slow servers" and "ive got a blank page" Oct 22 10:28:52 lcuk: i doubt maemo's slowness is cos of me ;) Oct 22 10:29:06 (we have own infrastructure) Oct 22 10:29:13 which, scaringly, is faster Oct 22 10:29:21 heh Stskeeps you know what i mean :P Oct 22 10:36:49 Stskeeps, its easy to make a site faster than maemo.org - i doubthowever we could support as many users as maemo does and would suffer the same fate. perhaps a project to distribute the load out to numerous tablets would be cool ;) Oct 22 10:37:14 mm Oct 22 10:37:36 when a 770 goes WSOD, it doesn't die. it connects to the maemo.org cluster and surrenders. Oct 22 10:37:50 and becomes part of the cluster Oct 22 10:39:07 lol Oct 22 10:40:09 heh Oct 22 10:40:33 we could enlist these angelic devices to roundup all the devices from silicon heaven Oct 22 10:40:54 calculators would once again be useful Oct 22 10:42:59 hmm, my post to community has killed the banter Oct 22 10:43:22 or perhaps it just pushed the mail server over the edge Oct 22 10:46:56 electric heating computing units Oct 22 12:12:43 hmm, short lunch Oct 22 12:35:52 woglinde: That libxmu upload seemed to work at least ;) Oct 22 12:36:21 x-fade yes Oct 22 12:36:28 x-fade nxssh is the next Oct 22 12:46:53 hm ookay Oct 22 12:47:20 hi Oct 22 12:50:32 hi lopz Oct 22 13:00:11 <`Mace> yawn Oct 22 13:00:19 <`Mace> good morning Oct 22 13:20:10 quit Oct 22 13:40:22 you are not allowed to Oct 22 13:48:37 maybee put all together and milk the appelfanboys Oct 22 13:53:52 <||cw> applefanboys give milk? Oct 22 13:54:24 sorry args wrong channel Oct 22 13:54:51 yes in this iphone store Oct 22 13:55:00 got an idea how to make money Oct 22 14:38:03 who is Carsten Munk? Oct 22 14:38:09 hi, btw Oct 22 14:38:44 slonopotamus: -> Stskeeps Oct 22 14:39:07 Stskeeps, you rock Oct 22 14:41:03 slonopotamus: hi Oct 22 14:41:24 * qwerty12 , for some reason, always reads "Communitizer" as something having to do with Communism Oct 22 14:41:30 qwerty12: too much american tv Oct 22 14:41:32 ;) Oct 22 14:41:43 same problem, qwerty Oct 22 14:41:44 Stskeeps: I study History :) Oct 22 14:41:48 ah Oct 22 14:42:10 slonopotamus: so what did you like? (keep in mind many of the tricks used to get things booting are due to a lot of hardworking people before me, johnx, and pkg-maemo, etc) Oct 22 14:42:27 qwerty12: Sorry :) Oct 22 14:43:31 X-Fade: Hehe, I'm not offended or anything, just always comes into my head for some reason :D Oct 22 14:43:59 qwerty12: Well at least it makes you think ;) Oct 22 14:44:25 Stskeeps, stlc45xx-cal postinst script ;) it's crazy Oct 22 14:44:29 :) Oct 22 14:44:41 slonopotamus: yeah, but it's sane.. ish Oct 22 14:45:21 slonopotamus: when nokia doesn't allow redistribution, play by their license Oct 22 14:45:21 :P Oct 22 14:45:43 since it's a needed part of any open source implementation Oct 22 14:46:38 Stskeeps: I'm sure they will sort that part out too. The whole idea about the gpl driver would be to be able to redistribute. Oct 22 14:46:53 all of the parts that look more clever than hacky are Stskeeps. All the parts left that involve one-liners with no error checking are mine Oct 22 14:46:57 * qwerty12 would kill for a port of gnome alsa mixer or anything that shows *all* volume controls. I used easy debian and it came with that and I swear the bass boost I got with that was nice Oct 22 14:46:58 hmm Oct 22 14:47:03 you don't REdistribute Oct 22 14:47:17 nop, i help the user to get it in a sane manner Oct 22 14:47:30 for what slonopotamus is talking about, http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet/browser/trunk/packages/non-free/stlc45xx-cal/debian/postinst Oct 22 14:47:43 Stskeeps: maybe with dsme source release. as evident by the name, it for sure reads cal to get the region you are in (ETSI/US) Oct 22 14:48:04 btw, how is libaltcal going? Oct 22 14:48:22 oh, i can read stuff but i'm not confident of the structure Oct 22 14:48:29 maybe asking license is not required? Oct 22 14:48:39 slonopotamus: your "browser" asks you to agree Oct 22 14:48:56 slonopotamus: and i do this cos well, it is a thing that needs to be agreed to Oct 22 14:49:03 Stskeeps: as long as we don't fuck up partition layout, we could probably boot to initfs and reflash a backup of mtd1 with static mtd-tools :D Oct 22 14:49:18 qwerty12: i wonder if it's possible to change from a US version to EU wifi Oct 22 14:49:38 Stskeeps: in theory, just change that string. Do you know anyone with a US n800? Oct 22 14:49:47 qwerty12: i have one Oct 22 14:49:55 ok, wait a sec plz Oct 22 14:50:10 slonopotamus: and to avoid the "hack" being invalidated constantly by nokia if we play by their rules Oct 22 14:50:12 Stskeeps, hmm... Oct 22 14:50:20 -if Oct 22 14:50:30 Stskeeps: When you run "osso-product-info", what does it say for OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL? Oct 22 14:51:09 qwerty12: FCC/US Oct 22 14:51:19 Stskeeps, change to EU wifi? as in turn on all 13 channels? Oct 22 14:51:26 yeah, for instance Oct 22 14:51:41 how many do they have in us? Oct 22 14:51:58 X-Fade: yeah, but CAL is a touchy subject for them.. Oct 22 14:52:03 which is where calibration data is Oct 22 14:52:10 qwerty12: i've yet to find the MAC in CAL though Oct 22 14:52:45 Stskeeps: Yep, ETSI/EU here. Looking at stlc45xx-cal in more depth will tell us if that is right string to change Oct 22 14:52:52 Stskeeps: hmm Oct 22 14:52:57 Stskeeps, i don't think any law will be broken if you don't ask. Oct 22 14:52:59 Stskeeps: want a copy of my mtd1? Oct 22 14:53:10 qwerty12: eh, sure Oct 22 14:54:21 Stskeeps: k, dcc or email? do whatever with them (2 dumps (one with rd mode on, one with rd-mode off)), just don't share them! :P Oct 22 14:54:28 This should not associate with my AP? it does not, but neither shows any error or anything, any ideas? Oct 22 14:54:33 iwconfig wlan0 essid esi mode managed key off Oct 22 14:54:45 qwerty12: dcc is fine Oct 22 14:55:06 I associate myself with how my AP? Oct 22 14:55:19 lopz: cx3110x doesn't always support all wireless tools extensions Oct 22 14:56:27 hello Stskeeps ... how is cx3110x ? drivers wireless ? Oct 22 14:56:30 grr, my router's firewall isn't probably forwarded properly. got an email I can send them to (pm me)? Oct 22 14:56:55 * slonopotamus wonders if any distro provides packages via p2p network Oct 22 14:56:55 instead of mirror system Oct 22 14:57:31 lopz: yes Oct 22 14:57:33 Stskeeps, and how I would associate my AP? are using the administrator of connections ... do it for console for the error, that does not want to associate: ( Oct 22 14:57:53 sorry, my english is bad :\ Oct 22 14:58:27 lopz: it's not so simple.. if nokias stuff doesn't work it is usually a bigger problem Oct 22 14:59:56 Stskeeps, when I do so with "select connection .." said looking ... then comes the name of my AP, essid, is open, I click 2, said connecting ... and the final "error of network connection, retry?" Oct 22 15:00:54 Stskeeps, I do not know if this is a problem in my notebook, or my router :\ Oct 22 15:01:31 iwlist a scan wlan0 me correctly list my wifi network Oct 22 15:03:10 so you've retried? Oct 22 15:03:10 ;) Oct 22 15:03:12 asked your network administrator? Oct 22 15:03:14 ;) Oct 22 15:03:18 i love such error messages Oct 22 15:04:34 Oct 22 15:04:34 1 .- I tried again and the same error Oct 22 15:04:34 2 .- I am a network administrator xDD Oct 22 15:04:34 3 .- I do not love the mistakes Oct 22 15:04:39 slonopotamus, :p Oct 22 15:10:19 Stskeeps, why udev-nokernelcheck? Oct 22 15:10:19 hi there Oct 22 15:10:32 slonopotamus: 770 has old kernel so udev complains Oct 22 15:10:41 slonopotamus: but it works anyway on 770 for all i can see Oct 22 15:12:19 any ideas my problem ? :s Oct 22 15:12:23 walks around and moans 'mister user, buy me newer device'? :) Oct 22 15:12:47 slonopotamus: disables a check in udev init scripts that will cause udev to start ;) Oct 22 15:13:20 slonopotamus: while you can laugh at people with 770's ; us with n8x0 probably wont be better off soon :P Oct 22 15:13:42 i know, man Oct 22 15:13:42 and that's sad Oct 22 15:13:43 what qwerty12 said Oct 22 15:16:41 slonopotamus: how's the porting going? Oct 22 15:17:05 the problem is that next device will likelt cost like asus eee :) and that will be a hard choice Oct 22 15:17:21 don't run Oct 22 15:17:22 :P Oct 22 15:19:04 https://maemo.org/news/jobs/view/architect-_lead_developer-multimedia_applications-nokia.html Oct 22 15:19:59 Or without https of course ;) Oct 22 15:21:40 wich is the new dev ? Oct 22 15:22:50 hi x-fade Oct 22 15:22:52 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=230086#post230086 Oct 22 15:23:05 can you make a note that it might be https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3591 Oct 22 15:23:20 * timeless is still on vacation and still doesn't plan to go near itt :) Oct 22 15:23:52 timeless: Why is that bug related to me? :) Oct 22 15:24:21 Another job: http://maemo.org/news/jobs/view/senior-lead_developer-imaging-_sharing-nokia.html Oct 22 15:28:40 you're alive and friendly and hopefully not yet refusing to visit itt :) Oct 22 15:28:47 alive was the only real key point :) Oct 22 15:29:43 * timeless returns to W3:TPAC and vacation Oct 22 15:32:31 set_dim_and_blank.py line 9 typo. should be 'Dim must be <= blank' Oct 22 15:33:46 Looks ok to me Oct 22 15:34:42 But then I'm reading it from an English viewpoint, not what it actually means as part of the python code :/ Oct 22 15:35:20 compare comparison and error message Oct 22 15:36:50 dim = 10, blank = 5. and we get error 'Dim must be >= blank' Oct 22 15:37:08 Ah, ok, I see thanks, my bad Oct 22 15:37:11 it _is_ > blank Oct 22 15:37:25 slonopotamus: bad error messages Oct 22 15:37:29 it must dim before it blanks Oct 22 15:37:47 * johnx likes the idea of blanking first Oct 22 15:37:58 me too Oct 22 15:38:16 i don't want dim at all Oct 22 15:38:22 mmk Oct 22 15:38:32 ahha Oct 22 15:38:36 on -> blank for 5 -> then dim for 10 Oct 22 15:40:50 slonopotamus: what was the optimized flags for binaries again? Oct 22 15:41:39 Stskeeps: I'm using -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s Oct 22 15:41:46 I'd like to see variations though! :) Oct 22 15:42:07 and that's for N800 or n770? Oct 22 15:42:08 ah Oct 22 15:42:09 n800 Oct 22 15:45:44 rah modest wear very well his name Oct 22 15:45:50 Hi ! Oct 22 15:46:16 hmm, have anyone considered getting the latest dillo browser going on the tablets? Oct 22 15:47:10 i would like a port of midori to the NITs Oct 22 15:47:16 dillo was slower than midori on deblet, really Oct 22 15:47:27 disco_stu, you might be interested in "Tear" Oct 22 15:47:28 hmm, ok Oct 22 15:47:34 Does anyone know a program (console or otherwise) that can show the DMA volume meter? GNOME ALSA Mixer from chrooting can do it but I'm looking for a way to do it w/out chrooting. I like the DMA volume bar because it ups the bass Oct 22 15:47:46 if you want midori any faster, just turn off scripts Oct 22 15:48:45 is there a way to force modest to update Oct 22 15:48:47 sync Oct 22 15:48:55 or autodestroy ? Oct 22 15:49:00 beating it with barbwire, probably Oct 22 15:49:15 johnx: wtf is tear ? Oct 22 15:49:18 command not found Oct 22 15:49:18 is there a way to force modest to work? :) Oct 22 15:49:45 it works very well (slow) since the last ssu Oct 22 15:49:49 THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING! Oct 22 15:50:10 disco_stu, first google result for "tear browser" -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24293 Oct 22 15:50:14 Moo, all. Oct 22 15:50:19 m00f RST38h Oct 22 15:50:26 johnx: foobar Oct 22 15:50:40 :) Oct 22 15:51:00 i'll give it a try Oct 22 15:51:10 where does modest store his prefs ? Oct 22 15:51:16 gconf Oct 22 15:51:23 doesn t seems to be /home/user/.modest Oct 22 15:51:24 slonopotamus: how's the porting coming btw? Oct 22 15:51:46 Khertan_n810: gconf Oct 22 15:51:50 johnx: i had downloaded it already Oct 22 15:51:50 arg Oct 22 15:51:57 i don t like gconf Oct 22 15:51:57 didnt work Oct 22 15:52:01 Heh General started blogging Oct 22 15:52:19 Khertan: then suffer! ho! ho!ho! Oct 22 15:52:40 why made a such copy of the windows registry db Oct 22 15:52:58 stupid idea Oct 22 15:52:59 it's organized better at least Oct 22 15:53:05 Khertan_n810: because linux is getting closer and closer to being like windows ;) Oct 22 15:53:10 (dll hell = package hell) Oct 22 15:53:17 it makes backuping option easy, makes reading conf easy, make having callback when configuration option happen easy Oct 22 15:53:31 dllhell isn't much of a problem as package hell is Oct 22 15:53:35 *dll hell Oct 22 15:53:38 easy ? it s a joke ? Oct 22 15:53:48 Khertan: Becoming Windows is the ultimate goal of both Gnome and KDE Oct 22 15:54:02 Khertan: So they have to have all bells and whistles Oct 22 15:54:07 Stskeeps, the key difference being packages have a central database and dependency info Oct 22 15:54:18 the worst thing is that you cant rm .app/ and wipe an app settings Oct 22 15:54:19 pffff Oct 22 15:54:30 melmoth: You can simply back up all the dot-files from ~ Oct 22 15:54:35 nah, gnome wants to be a Mac these days :) Oct 22 15:54:39 i'm trying to install kde on my n810. i linked hilden-desktop to plasma to use the kde desktop, but now the device crashes and reboots. any ideas? Oct 22 15:54:50 there's a gconf command to unset variables in a tree Oct 22 15:54:51 johnx: at this rate, it will become roadkill Oct 22 15:54:56 delete a new account and delete the old one doesn t help Oct 22 15:54:59 Someone should push Ed Bartosh to upload hildonised gconf-editor from chinook extras into diablo extras Oct 22 15:54:59 no sync Oct 22 15:55:00 johnx: *recompiling glibc optimized* :P Oct 22 15:55:00 johnx: a lot more stuff is happening in kde Oct 22 15:55:26 qwerty: [pleadingly] No luck with DC++? =) Oct 22 15:55:31 RST38h, yeah, if KDE is successful then ... oh wait, people will still be working on gnome Oct 22 15:55:32 qwerty12: Isn't the source package available? Oct 22 15:55:34 i prefer the way macos manage prefs ... a folder with prefs files Oct 22 15:55:42 RST38h, open source isn't a zero sum game Oct 22 15:55:44 X-Fade: It is, yes Oct 22 15:55:54 johnx: zee power of open source? :) Oct 22 15:55:55 qwerty12: Lazy bastard ;) Oct 22 15:56:14 johnx: "somebody will still work on it even when nobody cares"? =) Oct 22 15:56:15 RST38h, the power of open source is to do the same thing differently, obviously :) Oct 22 15:56:25 RST38h: I can't do anything with it, you know I can't program for shit :P. Though you may be able to edit config file directly. Oct 22 15:56:36 X-Fade: Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment! Oct 22 15:56:38 :P Oct 22 15:56:43 qwerty: I can help diagnosing the problem Oct 22 15:56:55 johnx: no, that is not the real power ;0 Oct 22 15:57:06 qwerty12: I'd rather have Ed spend his time on adding features to the autobuilder. Oct 22 15:57:12 I wonder if it would be hard to make a fuse client to access gconf ... Oct 22 15:57:24 RST38h: It compiles straight out, surely you don't need me to do what you say? Oct 22 15:57:25 johnx: The real power is to take somebody's project, add a few key bindings, and claim it to be yours =) Oct 22 15:57:28 qwerty12: As he does that in his spare time. Oct 22 15:57:36 qwerty: I am lazy. But I will try. Oct 22 15:57:49 RST38h, you mean not having to reinvent the wheel just to make a simple change? Oct 22 15:57:51 johnx: Or even sell it Oct 22 15:58:11 johnx: I mean fame! I mean power! I mean money! =) Oct 22 15:58:13 X-Fade: Ok, I can upload it to diablo extras-devel but should I change changelog/maintainer or can I (please let it be so), upload source package straight to diablo builder? Oct 22 15:58:49 johnx: May I remind that RedHat chairman's last name is Szulik, btw? ;) Oct 22 15:58:57 * Khertan_n810 will give a try to claw-mail Oct 22 15:59:46 RST38h, well he seems to like gnome at least :) Oct 22 16:00:01 is there any other email client i haven t see ? Oct 22 16:00:12 qwerty12: I guess you can just upload it to the diablo queue. Oct 22 16:00:20 Cool, thanks. Oct 22 16:00:29 johnx: yea, but his last name mean "crook" in Russian Oct 22 16:00:43 someone have already try carman ? Oct 22 16:01:09 RST38h: At least it's not suka :p Oct 22 16:01:18 cu Oct 22 16:01:29 RST38h, but what's in a name? Oct 22 16:01:29 qwerty: that is just "bitch" - not descriptive enough Oct 22 16:01:29 does it work with a usb <-> odb-2 or does it require a odb2 <-> bluetooth ? Oct 22 16:02:36 ha! there is a fuse client for gconf Oct 22 16:03:00 johnx: Nothing, except that it is probably the second best VIP name since Amiga's VP of development (Fleecy Moss) Oct 22 16:03:45 johnx: go into /var/lib/gconf and use an text editor :p. not exactly user friendly though... Oct 22 16:04:00 johnx: i need 20mb for webkit ! Oct 22 16:04:04 wont try tear Oct 22 16:04:20 disco_stu, microb is taking up more space Oct 22 16:04:40 it is stable.. Oct 22 16:04:42 :S Oct 22 16:04:45 haha Oct 22 16:05:04 see you later Oct 22 16:06:58 qwerty: Can you screw gconf up by editing it like this? Oct 22 16:07:27 RST38h: No idea. I've backed it up like that though. Oct 22 16:10:39 hum does claw mail work with gmail ? Oct 22 16:16:30 pffff Oct 22 16:16:54 is there only modest and clawmail for the tablet ? Oct 22 16:17:04 and some command line mail clients Oct 22 16:17:26 sweet Oct 22 16:17:36 pine! pine! Oct 22 16:17:37 derf: Thanks, your http://pastebin.ca/447594 from about a year ago is helping me now even. Oct 22 16:17:54 alpine and mutt, IIRC Oct 22 16:17:56 works beautifully, which is surprising Oct 22 16:18:33 maybe I lied about mutt Oct 22 16:19:00 mutt works, according to some Oct 22 16:19:09 * RST38h remembers somebody suggesting mutt here Oct 22 16:19:13 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23544&highlight=mutt ? Oct 22 16:19:39 ah, not in a repo Oct 22 16:37:44 another app that has to be in extras Oct 22 16:38:05 is there a crash log if hildon-desktop crashes? Oct 22 16:39:00 not that i know of. Oct 22 16:39:06 seele: can you reproduce it at will ? Oct 22 16:39:12 RST38h: could be done, he gives instructions on how he does it :D Oct 22 16:39:33 seele: you can create folder called core-dumps on memory card and learn how to read those dumps when something crashes... Oct 22 16:40:02 melmoth: yeah.. by linking the kde plasma desktop to /usr/bin/hildon-desktop, heh Oct 22 16:40:38 seele: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/Maemo_debugging_guide.html Oct 22 16:40:48 see how to catch a cordedump Oct 22 16:40:55 melmoth: thanks Oct 22 16:40:59 install debugging symbol. catch a back trace. nag developper :) Oct 22 16:42:23 :( Oct 22 16:42:42 extremely long timeout Oct 22 16:43:03 :) Oct 22 16:43:16 same here Oct 22 16:44:07 seele: "linking the kde plasma desktop to /usr/bin/hildon-desktop" . i m wondering if this is a "supported" thing Oct 22 16:44:22 may be, there is another way to start the kde desktop (i do not know, never try). Oct 22 16:45:11 melmoth: yeah, you can start it by just running plasma, but then you have the kde desktop running overtop of hildon Oct 22 16:45:18 and you still have the hildon navigation Oct 22 16:45:29 slono: yes, but why the hell are you logged into the name server? =) Oct 22 16:46:16 melmoth: this method sounds like a good way toward having to reflash Oct 22 16:46:17 melmoth: starting up plasma instead of hildon will sortof work, but it crashes near the end of loading. i dunno if it is kde's fault or some process looking to see if hildon is running properly Oct 22 16:46:38 qwerty12: Hah, I'd totally forgotten about that. Oct 22 16:47:24 Hehe, I'm using it now, this program actually uses GtkUIManager :) Oct 22 16:50:11 into name server? Oct 22 16:51:26 *** slonopotamus is n=slonopot@ns1.possvyaz.ru Oct 22 16:51:33 ns1 is the domain name server Oct 22 16:51:43 primary one, too, according to whois =) Oct 22 16:52:24 while(1==2): Oct 22 16:52:27 killall modest Oct 22 16:53:02 just killall modest, that will be sufficient step toward world piece Oct 22 16:53:06 s/piece/peace/ Oct 22 16:53:07 RST38h meant: just killall modest, that will be sufficient step toward world peace Oct 22 16:53:38 ... Oct 22 16:53:38 does this thing work? Oct 22 16:53:40 low wifi coverage in the kitchen :( need to rebase AP Oct 22 16:53:54 ... Oct 22 16:54:19 hum modest mailing list archive has nothing since august Oct 22 16:54:49 The Modest-devel Archives Oct 22 16:54:54 no archives Oct 22 16:55:02 hum i understand now Oct 22 16:55:19 uff Oct 22 16:55:26 i'm online Oct 22 16:55:38 still online, it seems Oct 22 16:55:55 very strange Oct 22 16:56:17 i've disconnected from ap several times Oct 22 16:56:22 Khertan: what took you this long? BTW, as Modest is now part of Diablo, you can file bugs via bugzilla and they will be handled like any base system bugs Oct 22 16:56:40 may be interference Oct 22 16:56:41 yep this is the problem Oct 22 16:56:53 i look for help making it running Oct 22 16:57:12 RST38h, i'm behind my provider's nat Oct 22 16:58:24 oh, so they use dns server as the external gate... queer Oct 22 16:58:53 ;) Oct 22 16:59:07 it's a small local provider Oct 22 16:59:26 <5000 users i guess Oct 22 16:59:47 slonopotamus: there are a few possibilities Oct 22 16:59:53 one is that they ran out of DHCP space Oct 22 17:00:00 and someone has to get the boot Oct 22 17:00:16 another is faily AP :> Oct 22 17:00:23 don't break my provider, ok? i'll be sad Oct 22 17:00:28 get another one and set as repeater :) Oct 22 17:00:50 might work, might not, depending on ISP Oct 22 17:00:54 hmm... good idea about repeater Oct 22 17:01:06 I would say it is either client/ap hardware mismatch, funky ap, or (most likely) plain old Russian concrete Oct 22 17:01:21 hey Oct 22 17:01:46 it's plain _new_ russian concrete Oct 22 17:02:02 hardware mismatch? it's a lie Oct 22 17:02:05 even worse - it is thicker than the old panels and has got lots of iron inside Oct 22 17:02:06 2 years only Oct 22 17:02:11 all 802.11 compliant hardware should work Oct 22 17:02:21 AStorm: Ideally, yes. But things happen. Oct 22 17:02:32 Try RaLink, especially with slightly wrong drivers ;) Oct 22 17:02:42 * RST38h will be back shortly Oct 22 17:02:45 that doesn't count :) it's a driver bug Oct 22 17:03:16 maybe it's nokia powersave.... Oct 22 17:03:36 because have no troubles with other devices Oct 22 17:03:55 anyway Oct 22 17:04:03 i'm online Oct 22 17:04:08 possible, but then it's a buggy AP Oct 22 17:04:22 you could try setting lower powersaving Oct 22 17:05:18 it's precious dlink g624t Oct 22 17:05:45 hmm Oct 22 17:05:47 wrong Oct 22 17:05:50 524 Oct 22 17:06:07 di524 Oct 22 17:06:58 Heh, I have a di524. I have the B1 though so no linux for me :( Oct 22 17:07:30 b1 through - ? Oct 22 17:08:00 g624t was in another flat. there was adsl. Oct 22 17:08:10 qwerty12: Hero of the day ;) Oct 22 17:09:37 so Oct 22 17:09:40 X-Fade: Lol, how? :) Oct 22 17:09:47 slonopotamus: B1 as in hardware revision Oct 22 17:09:53 someone wanted to ask me something Oct 22 17:09:59 qwerty12: Complain -> act -> fix ;) Oct 22 17:10:09 qwerty12, oh my Oct 22 17:10:30 X-Fade: The battery stuff? Oct 22 17:10:34 We need more do-ers than complain-ers. And you are a do-er, so hero of the day ;) Oct 22 17:10:44 Oh, gconf-editor Oct 22 17:10:58 qwerty12, buyed several di524. no problems with hardware Oct 22 17:11:25 qwerty12, buyed several di524. no problems with hardware Oct 22 17:11:31 woops Oct 22 17:11:46 slonopotamus: Hehe, the di524 itself is fine, just it uses the B1 hardware revision whereas the D hardware revision uses linux which I would have liked :( Oct 22 17:12:20 the only problem - too weak cpu for 54 mbps encrypted wifi Oct 22 17:12:25 huh Oct 22 17:12:30 mine have linux Oct 22 17:12:43 slonopotamus: Mine doesn't :( Oct 22 17:12:53 :P Oct 22 17:13:09 buy a new one. it's very cheap Oct 22 17:13:42 Probably will do, I have fun compiling stuff for my DG834GT (I got SNMP to work on it for example) :) Oct 22 17:13:59 woops Oct 22 17:14:08 dlink says it's old Oct 22 17:14:37 Yeah, but it's a nice router though, pretty stable for me Oct 22 17:14:37 they suggest DIR-300/DIR-320 instead Oct 22 17:16:31 $18 for di524 here. cool. Oct 22 17:17:39 Few more positive responses from maintainers. Oct 22 17:18:31 My repository reduction quest really needs some kick again. A lot of promises, but nobody has time to actually do it ;) Oct 22 17:19:06 But that is to be expected when people develop in their spare time. Oct 22 17:19:40 héhé Oct 22 17:19:54 ask to nokia to hire it :) Oct 22 17:20:50 ahaha...cash paid for closed repos? Oct 22 17:21:16 johnx, I was thinking about something a little more threatening. :P Oct 22 17:21:40 maybe the other way pay for app in extras :) Oct 22 17:21:59 GeneralAntilles, I never said the repo owner was the only one who could collect money for a closed repo :D Oct 22 17:22:05 Pay us to put your applications in Extras and not get yer legs broke. :P Oct 22 17:22:20 hihi Oct 22 17:22:33 i like this idea :) Oct 22 17:22:38 :) Oct 22 17:25:28 ... Oct 22 17:25:31 .. Oct 22 17:25:31 . Oct 22 17:25:40 ahha Oct 22 17:25:40 Oct 22 17:25:53 about build flags Oct 22 17:26:51 chost = armv6j-none-linux-gnueabi Oct 22 17:27:03 this implies -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp Oct 22 17:27:22 i m surprised that there is any python gtk good imap client Oct 22 17:28:24 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the religion discussion on itT. Oct 22 17:31:01 GeneralAntilles: do you believe in vim or in emacs? Oct 22 17:31:24 :D Oct 22 17:31:28 NANO ! Oct 22 17:31:29 vim, but only because I'm lazy and haven't invested the time to play with emacs. :P Oct 22 17:31:31 :) Oct 22 17:31:38 in sed we trust Oct 22 17:32:01 Khertan_n810: Sure, find me a build that doesn't segfault on N800 :p Oct 22 17:32:17 ah ... hum ... Oct 22 17:32:27 slonopotamus, sed? must be a fundamentalist... Oct 22 17:32:37 ^W Oct 22 17:32:37 so : PYGTKEDITOR ! Oct 22 17:32:37 :) Oct 22 17:32:38 CRASH Oct 22 17:33:35 did someone say pygtkeditor? Oct 22 17:34:01 GeneralAntilles: False ... ctl-w + some letter + enter crash :) Oct 22 17:34:10 lcuk: yep me :) Oct 22 17:34:18 Khertan_n810, I haven't used it in a while. :D Oct 22 17:34:33 \o/ ello there khertan Oct 22 17:34:35 héhé Oct 22 17:34:39 hi lcuk Oct 22 17:34:42 ... Oct 22 17:34:43 johnx: fundamentalist would go for ED! this newfangled stream version makes things too easy for the unwashed mashes.. Oct 22 17:34:46 http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-243127.html >_> Oct 22 17:34:46 wie geht's ? Oct 22 17:34:56 have u updated it? or are you? Oct 22 17:34:58 Khertan_n810, have you started pushing your dev tools for Fremantle stars? Oct 22 17:35:01 say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, Oct 22 17:35:22 GeneralAntilles : nope Oct 22 17:35:24 lcuk : it s planned Oct 22 17:35:29 \o/ w000t Oct 22 17:35:32 Khertan_n810, do it! Oct 22 17:35:37 bef0rd, I got that from like 5 sources. Awesome article :) Oct 22 17:35:38 but at this time i m finishing mCalendar Oct 22 17:35:46 i use pygtkeditor on tablet Oct 22 17:35:54 but you need a workhorse editor to do it well ;) Oct 22 17:35:55 I'd so love to see Nokia put some effort behind getting a development environment together on the tablets. Oct 22 17:36:11 and trying to make modest work Oct 22 17:36:36 or at least an other imap client Oct 22 17:36:36 GeneralAntilles : what is the 'Fremantle Stars' ? Oct 22 17:36:40 GeneralAntilles, its actually hard - and only a few lost souls really do stuff like this (though its getting easier and the extra power will help) Oct 22 17:36:50 i ven t got time to read news last days Oct 22 17:36:56 Khertan_n810, see qgil's threads on -community, -developers and -users. Oct 22 17:36:57 s/days/weeks Oct 22 17:37:12 Basically, Nokia wants a list of projects that they should help make really awesome for Fremantle. Oct 22 17:37:15 hum ... i ll look archive so Oct 22 17:37:34 mCalendar could be a candidate Oct 22 17:37:46 PyGtkEditor too ... if i update it Oct 22 17:38:00 how do they plan to help ? Oct 22 17:38:08 and of course py2deb Oct 22 17:38:25 fanoush queried qgil about that one on -developers Oct 22 17:38:25 * lcuk hears very nice things about mcalendar very often Oct 22 17:38:41 providing nokia developpers to help ? Oct 22 17:38:48 ah ok Oct 22 17:38:57 i ll read archives tomorrow Oct 22 17:39:49 Khertan has small timeout Oct 22 17:40:48 Khertan_n810, tunnel? Oct 22 17:40:50 sorry 3g data connection coverage drop Oct 22 17:41:03 lcuk: nope Oct 22 17:41:12 but far from a city Oct 22 17:41:15 ahhh just france Oct 22 17:41:18 :P Oct 22 17:41:19 switch to gprs Oct 22 17:41:27 yep that just france Oct 22 17:41:50 i got liqbase buffer up quite a bit and into extras now \o/ Oct 22 17:41:53 buffed ^ Oct 22 17:42:01 yep i see that Oct 22 17:42:16 playing a bit with the x.x.3 Oct 22 17:42:20 or 13 Oct 22 17:42:26 don t remember Oct 22 17:42:35 freezing my n810 Oct 22 17:42:35 :) Oct 22 17:42:43 heh, 0.1.5 has full proper camera with png support :) Oct 22 17:42:45 :O Oct 22 17:43:01 great Oct 22 17:43:02 * lcuk has frozen a few tablets now :S Oct 22 17:43:38 yup qwerty12_N800. it was the cable :/ Oct 22 17:45:05 johnx, :/ Oct 22 17:45:12 got it flashed though Oct 22 17:45:26 cool Oct 22 17:46:46 bye ... taking my car Oct 22 17:46:53 cya khertan Oct 22 17:46:58 [:-) Oct 22 17:46:59 cya Oct 22 17:50:15 will gmail be fast in microb one day? Oct 22 17:50:40 'some day' maybe Oct 22 17:50:53 maybe if they integrate tracemonkey from firefox? Oct 22 17:51:09 or if you select basic html view Oct 22 17:51:36 slonopotamus, we're still on a really old version of FF3 Oct 22 17:52:00 There are some huge js improvements that are waiting upstream. Oct 22 17:52:33 people suddenly got really serious about javascript performance :) Oct 22 17:52:43 Hehe Oct 22 17:52:48 Gotta love that competition. Oct 22 17:53:08 maybe because of acid3? Oct 22 17:53:24 acid tests are more about CSS Oct 22 17:53:44 I never would have thought FF's javascript would get faster than webkits... Oct 22 17:53:45 not third Oct 22 17:54:05 it's damn fast Oct 22 17:54:38 slonopotamus, oh, that's right, acid3 requires JS Oct 22 17:54:43 johnx, another datapoint about trains. It's just under $400 for 4 people to go from Orlando to DC. Oct 22 17:55:12 GeneralAntilles, how long does that take? Oct 22 17:55:24 19 hours and change Oct 22 17:55:37 There's a faster train that does it in 17 for about $600 Oct 22 17:55:38 jebus! Oct 22 17:55:40 http://dromaeo.com/?id=18376,18377,18398,18378,41772 Oct 22 17:55:50 GeneralAntilles, might as well just walk O_o Oct 22 17:56:02 Eh, still faster than driving. Oct 22 17:56:15 Sure, the flight is only 2.5 hours. ;) Oct 22 17:56:25 But add in another 2 hours for security theater. Oct 22 17:57:05 n800 doesn't charge if high cpu load o_O it uses battery even on charger? Oct 22 17:57:30 Yes Oct 22 17:57:36 omg Oct 22 17:57:46 But only under high load Oct 22 17:57:54 Or if you've got a really crappy charger. Oct 22 17:58:05 do laptops behave same way? Oct 22 17:58:23 i've got standard nokia charger Oct 22 17:58:31 and high cpu load Oct 22 17:58:39 gmail ;) Oct 22 17:58:53 slonopotamus, laptops have a fundamentally different charging architecture Oct 22 17:59:11 good. Oct 22 17:59:33 why couldn't tablet have same? Oct 22 18:00:45 that's ugly - to charge for half an hour and still have 'battery low' Oct 22 18:00:46 money? complexity? size? Oct 22 18:00:50 take your pick Oct 22 18:01:16 how much ( size | money | complexity aka cost ) is it worth to you? Oct 22 18:01:18 * slonopotamus picks money Oct 22 18:02:08 GeneralAntilles, so that's about 1350km, right? Oct 22 18:02:17 size - twice thick is ok. i still don't understand why so small battery Oct 22 18:02:57 n800 has a lot of place for bigger battery Oct 22 18:03:12 johnx, just under Oct 22 18:03:48 slonopotamus, cheaper to use a battery that another devices is already using, and smaller batteries are cheaper. Oct 22 18:04:12 what device has same battery? Oct 22 18:04:23 phones? nope Oct 22 18:04:26 Yes. Oct 22 18:04:31 no Oct 22 18:04:39 Yes. Oct 22 18:04:46 my 3110 has smaller one Oct 22 18:04:55 and 3500 too Oct 22 18:05:00 slonopotamus, that's not the only phone nokia makes ... Oct 22 18:05:05 N810 battery is used in some newer phones. Oct 22 18:05:36 GeneralAntilles, how about 1622km in 8 hours by train? costs you ~$300 per person though... Oct 22 18:05:37 qwerty, GA said 'already using' Oct 22 18:05:51 slonopotamus, plenty of nokia devices are using the 5l and 4l Oct 22 18:06:03 The bullet trains are NY/Boston/Chicago area. Oct 22 18:06:13 jjohnx, ok. i trust you. Oct 22 18:06:22 slonopotamus, you don't have to. just trust google Oct 22 18:06:23 But not me? Oct 22 18:06:36 :D Oct 22 18:06:48 ga, you too Oct 22 18:07:17 but they could make it bigger Oct 22 18:07:19 Sorry for the possibly noob question, but is there a log somewhere that I can see more details about errors with the built-in SIP client? Oct 22 18:07:22 GeneralAntilles, not much choice for long haul except airplane, bullet train or night bus (shudder) Oct 22 18:07:23 :P Oct 22 18:07:41 hmm, i can see the available space on the root filesystem steadily decreasing with the device just sitting there, but then jumps back up if i give it a reboot... Oct 22 18:07:49 slonopotamus, you can't expect all nokia devices to be using the same. my old ngage used the charger with the "fat" connector, where as my old ex-n80 used the newer thin connector Oct 22 18:07:50 Well, Nokia fails: http://www.nokiausa.com/A4431611 Oct 22 18:07:55 slonopotamus, you can just buy a bigger one from mugen, but it won't fit Oct 22 18:08:03 oh Oct 22 18:08:10 t_s_o, /var/tmp is cleaned out on reboot Oct 22 18:08:14 Bigger batteries == more cost. Oct 22 18:08:18 small connector sucks Oct 22 18:08:24 t_s_o, by the aptly named tmp-reaper Oct 22 18:08:24 slonopotamus, well it will fit the battery socket, but not the case Oct 22 18:08:28 Especially if you have to create an entirely new battery. Oct 22 18:08:37 i broke one when charging n800 fell from table Oct 22 18:09:02 hmm... Oct 22 18:09:10 johnx, really? Oct 22 18:09:15 slonopotamus, i'm the charger destroying master :p Oct 22 18:09:29 johnx, just need another back panekl? Oct 22 18:09:56 slonopotamus, yeah. it's actually made for a nokia phone, but since they use the same battery you're in luck Oct 22 18:10:17 johnx, they could make an option Oct 22 18:10:22 hmm... Oct 22 18:10:30 i want bigger charger Oct 22 18:10:35 err Oct 22 18:10:38 battery Oct 22 18:10:50 will build panel factory Oct 22 18:11:03 and will sell panels for $50 Oct 22 18:11:10 will become rich Oct 22 18:11:16 and buy nokia Oct 22 18:11:31 goodluckwiththat Oct 22 18:11:32 and make n800 with big battery Oct 22 18:11:41 good plan, eh? Oct 22 18:11:54 and carry it in a separate sack? Oct 22 18:12:44 slonopotamus, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=231786 Oct 22 18:12:55 re Oct 22 18:12:58 not too big. just to be able to handle 100% cpu load for 12 hours Oct 22 18:13:41 johnx, someone already implemented my plan? (didn't open link yet) Oct 22 18:14:00 it's info on the battery Oct 22 18:14:09 and a picture of the battery in the n800 Oct 22 18:16:14 3.6Ah Oct 22 18:16:27 i want that thing Oct 22 18:17:05 so buy it :P Oct 22 18:17:42 'Turns out I was running with the performance governor, so that was 400 MHz for 12 hours.' Oct 22 18:17:46 wooow Oct 22 18:18:00 that's what i just said Oct 22 18:21:57 hello i have a sound synth that i want to port to maemo. (http;//code.google.com/p/din) ; i want to open a pcm audio output and send audio data. how do i do that on maemo? gstreamer? Oct 22 18:23:14 jagernot hm Oct 22 18:23:20 behind its a dsp Oct 22 18:23:42 funny, i save space by using the recent pidgin update vs rtcom with msn support... Oct 22 18:23:43 and I do not know if gestream abstract this to the user Oct 22 18:24:07 jagernot hm you could aiit for lardman he knows better than me Oct 22 18:24:09 jagernot, there's some info here: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node9.html Oct 22 18:24:10 wait Oct 22 18:24:14 jagernot: no pcm audio output Oct 22 18:24:19 wo ist pupnik? :( Oct 22 18:24:21 I don't know if you've seen it or not Oct 22 18:24:29 jagernot: you will have to go through esd and suffer in the process, sorry Oct 22 18:25:01 gstreamer or esd or alsa are possible Oct 22 18:25:13 alsa is not, apparently Oct 22 18:25:18 RST38h, yes. it is Oct 22 18:25:22 there is some way to access it but it is convoluted Oct 22 18:25:33 RST38h, I've been using it quite extensively... Oct 22 18:25:39 *g* Oct 22 18:25:42 gstreamer is way too heavy, so esd is the most realistic Oct 22 18:25:47 popcorn Oct 22 18:25:53 RST38h, what do you think is behind esd? Oct 22 18:25:53 woglinde: try gst-inspect and find a pad that match the data format you are interested in Oct 22 18:26:09 melmoth hm??? Oct 22 18:26:18 melmoth you mean jagernot Oct 22 18:26:24 johnx: Lo! The Enlightened Holder of Sacred Knowledge Oct 22 18:26:40 RST38h, It's in TFM... Oct 22 18:26:46 johnx: no idea, but it may be alsa of course. or the plain dsp Oct 22 18:26:56 gstreamer is a system of "pipe". as long as you have one element that handle the data type you are interested in, you ll be able to plug it to other element, and , transform it, or play it Oct 22 18:26:59 RST38h, want to make a third guess? Oct 22 18:27:07 hrm, why is osso-xterm being weird about ttyping in an ä and backspacing over it Oct 22 18:27:12 johnx: Ok, The Conqueror of The Sacred Fucking Manual Oct 22 18:27:38 johnx: I would like to guess it as /dev/dsp but I know that it is not going to be so ;( Oct 22 18:27:40 * sp3000 seems to recall it used to not be weird about it Oct 22 18:27:50 but icbw Oct 22 18:27:51 RST38h, actually I think you might be right :) Oct 22 18:28:00 johnx: No. Oct 22 18:28:07 hmm? Oct 22 18:28:09 johnx: This has been discussed and researched before Oct 22 18:28:21 hehe you are confusing jagernot Oct 22 18:28:21 johnx: No /dev/dsp there. No dev/pcm. No dev/audio. Oct 22 18:28:27 (someone seems to be disagreeing about whether a character has to be a single byte and so forth) Oct 22 18:28:40 There ARE some device nodes that LOOK like audio devices but I do not think they are the same thing Oct 22 18:29:03 RST38h, /dev/dsp is the actual DSP. not an OSS sound interface Oct 22 18:29:18 anyways, to avoid hijacking this further... Oct 22 18:29:30 yea Oct 22 18:29:40 and it is called differently too :) Oct 22 18:30:27 RST38h, yes, definitely. I think esd has a backend that talks directly to it Oct 22 18:30:34 gstreamer or esd are probably fine choices Oct 22 18:30:46 alsa seems to be kinda buggy lately Oct 22 18:31:34 can xchat be configured to autoconnect on startup? Oct 22 18:31:38 yes Oct 22 18:31:43 and autojoin too Oct 22 18:31:46 how? Oct 22 18:32:10 tell me the secret combo :) Oct 22 18:32:15 pleeease Oct 22 18:32:21 use google Oct 22 18:32:22 kiddy Oct 22 18:32:27 *g* Oct 22 18:32:32 first rule Oct 22 18:32:56 slono: I have to admit I do not remember =( Oct 22 18:32:57 xchat -> network list has all :) Oct 22 18:33:10 hmm...are there any examples to work with esd/gstreamer on maemo. Oct 22 18:33:20 *g* secrect combo press up down a b x x y z Oct 22 18:33:22 there you go Oct 22 18:33:32 ahha Oct 22 18:33:35 jagernot: what is your email address? Oct 22 18:33:41 autoconnect found Oct 22 18:33:43 jagernot@gmail.com Oct 22 18:33:44 sorry could not resist Oct 22 18:33:46 autojoin? Oct 22 18:33:58 xchat takes a channels list somewhere Oct 22 18:34:06 it will join those channels on connection Oct 22 18:34:16 jagernot, There seems to be example code here: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node9.html Oct 22 18:34:16 ok Oct 22 18:34:17 jagernot: actually, I will put it onto http Oct 22 18:34:19 trying Oct 22 18:34:55 jagernot, for recording, best code you can look at is maemo-recorder Oct 22 18:35:29 for really optimized sound output, mplayer is probably the best place to look Oct 22 18:35:30 qwerty: no im looking for playback..but not file playback. Oct 22 18:35:44 Hi Oct 22 18:35:44 ah, ok Oct 22 18:35:45 now i know kung-fu Oct 22 18:36:10 jagernot, I believe mplayer uses esd and the examples I linked you to are for gstreamer Oct 22 18:36:14 jager: http://fms.komkon.org/SndUnix.c Oct 22 18:36:34 jager: Look at the code denoted with ESD_AUDIO Oct 22 18:37:06 joker - the one who jokes? Oct 22 18:37:09 During the maemo summit there was a presentation about power management with some really cool tools and hardware to mesure power consumpsion. Oct 22 18:37:11 johnx: gstreamer stuff is pretty useless as it does not let you play synthesized buffers straightforwardly Oct 22 18:37:22 Where could I find more information about all that? Oct 22 18:37:37 RST38h, point taken :) Oct 22 18:38:13 really, alsa would probably be the lightest if it actually worked :/ Oct 22 18:38:34 johnx: See the above code - it will provide really simple API via either /dev/dsp, /dev/audio/ or ESD crap Oct 22 18:39:10 RST38h, You just need to read esddsp.c and you too will know how to mangle things for direct DSP playback :) Oct 22 18:39:24 RST: wow looks promising Oct 22 18:39:38 johnx: don't really want to - I prefer the KISS principle Oct 22 18:40:11 Me too. Just pointing it out Oct 22 18:40:11 RST: why is ESD crap?.. Oct 22 18:40:30 as long as the girls hot i like the KISS principle too, and the FONDLE and perhaps *CENSORED* Oct 22 18:40:31 jagernot: No documentation and weird behaviour Oct 22 18:40:46 lcuk *g* Oct 22 18:40:58 jagernot: Seems to buffer as much samples as you give it instead of blocking until they are played back Oct 22 18:41:39 [state-of-factly] He meant FSCK. Oct 22 18:43:40 lcuk, showemLIQbase? Oct 22 18:43:57 show who? Oct 22 18:45:06 s/em/'er :p Oct 22 18:45:27 the girl ofc Oct 22 18:45:42 * qwerty12_N800 killed it Oct 22 18:45:49 * qwerty12_N800 sets +lurking Oct 22 18:45:52 nahhh, theres much better things to lick Oct 22 18:47:08 oh, you've watched 2g1c Oct 22 18:48:53 why am i not surprised you have Oct 22 18:49:32 because i'm qwerty12 :) Oct 22 18:49:38 if i have to do it with gstreamer instead what should i do...GstAudioSource? GstAudioSink? Oct 22 18:50:42 unfortunately no examples that do synthesis...i saw audiotestsrc but if someone has done it before and shed some light.. Oct 22 18:51:00 qwerty12_N800, :D you commented and voted on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ Oct 22 18:51:11 you are right, more people should ;) Oct 22 18:51:41 lcuk, of course :D Oct 22 18:52:07 +1 :D Oct 22 18:52:27 jagernot: i do not think (but i may be wrong) gstreamer does synth, you have to feed data from somewhere. Oct 22 18:52:41 * RST38h will go vote Oct 22 18:52:48 lcuk, I only did it really because my karma goes up :p Oct 22 18:53:04 heh Oct 22 18:53:07 but if you can generate the sound in a format gstreamer can cope with, then you can pipe it to an audiosink Oct 22 18:53:14 qwerty <-- cynical bastard =) Oct 22 18:53:23 karma whore Oct 22 18:53:26 (like me) Oct 22 18:53:34 melmoth: hmm..a source that reads from a file is technically doing synthesis the moment it has read the file and got the samples to send to the audio sink. Oct 22 18:53:37 why, thank you Oct 22 18:53:59 speaking of karma whoring, why my last application hasn't got counted into karma? =) Oct 22 18:54:16 Broken again. Oct 22 18:54:24 ohwell... Oct 22 18:54:25 RST38h, that reminds me, i need to vote on your stuff although now doesn't sound like a good time... Oct 22 18:54:48 the maemo.org appears to be semi-dead again =( Oct 22 18:56:41 Apparently X-Fade poked bergie about it. I reopened the bug about a week ago. Oct 22 18:56:43 We'll see. Oct 22 18:57:12 damn, gnome alsa mixer crashed on me and now i'm left with a tablet that outputs sound from both speakers + headphones Oct 22 18:57:28 I failed executing the maemo-scratchbox installer on ubuntu 8.04 (x86_64). Even setarch failed. Is the only solution to install a chroot ? Oct 22 18:58:57 The SIP client worked fine at work but now I'm home it says "network error" for my Ekiga account, is there any way to expand on that error? Oct 22 18:59:20 hello folks Oct 22 19:00:14 RST38h, may take a while to update Oct 22 19:00:21 when did you upload/promote Oct 22 19:00:24 hi neostrider Oct 22 19:00:53 whats going on? Oct 22 19:01:03 I've been quite away from the Maemo community Oct 22 19:01:20 but the good news is that I have a new game comming out of the oven... Oct 22 19:02:30 smokie: it should work Oct 22 19:02:36 what is the error? Oct 22 19:03:41 solmumaha, a lot of repositories are printed and at the end Failed to fetch http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo4-sdk/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Oct 22 19:04:12 solmumaha, i guess apt tries to fetch from x86_64 repos, and not from i386 ? Oct 22 19:04:30 lcuk: long ago Oct 22 19:04:38 install from tarballs (-s) Oct 22 19:04:47 ahhh rite, mines not listed either but its new Oct 22 19:06:06 solmumaha, ok, that may be an option. Sure that there are not other pitfalls for x86_64 ? Is it better to use the 4.1 vmware image ? Oct 22 19:06:40 it works fine, i use it Oct 22 19:06:44 anyone feeling brave to try my new game? Oct 22 19:07:24 you may need to run "/bin/echo 4096 | /usr/bin/tee /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr" before starting it though Oct 22 19:07:44 neostrider: sure Oct 22 19:07:53 what device you have right now? Oct 22 19:08:06 770/n800 Oct 22 19:08:28 solmumaha, mmm you have a 770 Oct 22 19:08:37 me too Oct 22 19:08:43 does anyone else have a 770 handy thats booted? Oct 22 19:08:48 or handy Oct 22 19:09:01 neo is yours to hand though? Oct 22 19:09:08 lcuk: I have a 770 running Gregalle...does it worth for your testings? Oct 22 19:09:32 whut Oct 22 19:09:39 I have 770 next to me Oct 22 19:09:41 (Gregalle or Gregale?) Oct 22 19:09:48 Im holding it right now Oct 22 19:09:49 well i was told recently liqbase wont run on it (but it will install) on os2008he, i was just wondering why not Oct 22 19:10:12 oh, right, I still have OS2007HE2 Oct 22 19:10:52 dont worry, ill find a way to try in near future - i dont know which libs you would need for earlier oses Oct 22 19:11:03 lcuk, remember os2008he is based on chinook, not diablo. but you dont compile with processor optimisations right? Oct 22 19:11:32 yes qwerty (-O3) but nothing specific extra and libs are basic Oct 22 19:11:56 i dont have cpu specific options if thats what you mean Oct 22 19:12:02 oh -o3 should be standard, nothing specific iirc Oct 22 19:12:03 yep Oct 22 19:12:08 yeah thought so Oct 22 19:12:24 thats just loop unrolling and inlining and basic standard opts Oct 22 19:12:29 solmumaha... I will upload the game and will let you know when Im ready Oct 22 19:12:51 neostrider, whats the game do? Oct 22 19:13:04 its an 3D adventure Oct 22 19:13:05 or is that half the fun Oct 22 19:13:08 oooh Oct 22 19:13:12 just like those from the 80s Oct 22 19:13:13 but in 3D Oct 22 19:13:19 think of "driller" Oct 22 19:13:45 you are in a dark room. Oct 22 19:13:45 There is a lamp beside you. Oct 22 19:13:45 : Oct 22 19:13:55 hauhauhauahu....not quite like this Oct 22 19:13:56 :D driller was great Oct 22 19:14:06 "you're in a decaying space station Oct 22 19:14:11 there is a lamp beside you" Oct 22 19:14:12 > Oct 22 19:14:13 16777215 possible screen locations! Oct 22 19:14:14 =-P Oct 22 19:14:22 use the lamp on yourself. game over. Oct 22 19:14:51 driller got 97% in crash Oct 22 19:14:55 i HAD to have that game Oct 22 19:15:08 * lcuk can remember getting lost looking for beryl Oct 22 19:16:26 :D it was 20billion view locations! Oct 22 19:16:46 the only bad thing of the Maemo port of my game is the lack of the soundtrack Oct 22 19:17:03 you ported driller? Oct 22 19:17:05 Ravel's bolero is the "thing" to create the tension on the last minutes... Oct 22 19:17:10 no no... Oct 22 19:17:13 all things original Oct 22 19:17:19 but the graphics have a similar aspect Oct 22 19:17:39 ill have a go at installing it Oct 22 19:17:43 is it OSS? Oct 22 19:17:49 sure! Oct 22 19:17:50 GPL Oct 22 19:17:52 http://corporatedrones.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/screenshot-riddler.png Oct 22 19:17:54 \o/ Oct 22 19:18:11 nice, what engine do you use Oct 22 19:19:22 (bulding inside scratchbox) Oct 22 19:19:29 I created my own engine... Oct 22 19:19:39 at first , I used it for Angstron Oct 22 19:19:44 now I did a major revamp on it Oct 22 19:22:52 neostrider, ok then - what backend does your engine render to Oct 22 19:23:24 you are running it in vista though, so that causes an incredible drag on coolness :P Oct 22 19:24:14 no aero does that :p Oct 22 19:24:58 hiya dneary \o Oct 22 19:25:15 hey hey Oct 22 19:25:19 uploading... Oct 22 19:25:33 lcuk: ubuntu with a vista theme due to a great lack of better theme Oct 22 19:25:41 hey dneary Oct 22 19:26:01 (ops...forgot to add optimizations to gcc) Oct 22 19:26:10 neostrider, isnt that like puttin a ford badge on a ferarri? why on earth would you want to advertize yourself a vista fan? Oct 22 19:26:15 (but my 770 didnt exploded...0 Oct 22 19:26:57 lcuk: I know...I very ashamed of it..I will improve it...Im switching to exclusive fluxbox X11 install! Oct 22 19:27:34 wow...I didnt forgot to add optimization...the is just THIS SLOW on the 770 heheh Oct 22 19:27:44 maybe I should turn off dynamic lightning by default Oct 22 19:28:26 Hi neostrider Oct 22 19:30:42 can I post the rapidshare link in here? Oct 22 19:31:33 why not? Oct 22 19:31:36 ok Oct 22 19:31:37 http://rapidshare.com/files/156567784/testmaemo_riddler.zip.html Oct 22 19:31:39 here we go Oct 22 19:32:05 keep the "storage" directory in your /media/mmc1 and you can run "riddler" from anywhere you want Oct 22 19:32:29 the first "loading" will be strange, as it will display a black screen until finished...the other ones will work finew Oct 22 19:33:29 if you press [center] in the D-Pad, it will perform the action display'd at the top-right of the screen Oct 22 19:34:49 (too bad the 770 cant natively play ogg files...) Oct 22 19:35:01 neo could you respam plz Oct 22 19:35:35 you mean, saying the link again? Oct 22 19:35:41 yeah Oct 22 19:35:46 sure Oct 22 19:35:47 http://rapidshare.com/files/156567784/testmaemo_riddler.zip.html Oct 22 19:35:57 great! a n810! Oct 22 19:36:07 the best test scennario I could ask for! Oct 22 19:36:16 no, it only says that - im ashamed to say its a c64 in disguise Oct 22 19:36:43 even better! Oct 22 19:36:58 if my game runs in C64, it means Im such a bad*ss! Oct 22 19:37:32 you know, rapidshit is not the best distribution medium for the tablets Oct 22 19:37:49 or a zip :p :) Oct 22 19:38:00 oh crap, a zip as well Oct 22 19:38:09 xarchiver to the rescue! Oct 22 19:38:23 please suggest me better ways to do it Oct 22 19:38:27 I will do it promptly Oct 22 19:38:38 keep .deb, put it on your blogspace Oct 22 19:38:40 (just dont ask me for a debian package...its just...hum..."too soon" for it) Oct 22 19:38:50 owww man Oct 22 19:38:53 heh Oct 22 19:39:01 its ok i only just packaged mine recently ;) Oct 22 19:39:01 I was in a private war with my EeePC yesterday Oct 22 19:39:06 it refused to install my .debs Oct 22 19:40:17 crap, johnx is xarchiver installed by default? Oct 22 19:40:25 if this test suceeds, I will deploy a more polished version in a .deb, I promess ;)) Oct 22 19:40:25 of course not Oct 22 19:40:36 lcuk, that would make it too easy Oct 22 19:40:49 What is Maemo's interface called? Oct 22 19:40:56 maemo Oct 22 19:41:06 maemo-desktop-af? Oct 22 19:41:08 slow Oct 22 19:41:12 :D Oct 22 19:41:14 the game? Oct 22 19:41:18 hildon-desktop? Oct 22 19:41:22 neostrider, http://pastebin.com/d6cd66dcb :/ thanks for the game though :/ Oct 22 19:41:24 hildon Oct 22 19:41:26 that sounds right Oct 22 19:41:27 yeah Oct 22 19:42:03 lcuk, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/xarchiver/ Oct 22 19:42:03 qwerty12_N800: have you placed the "storage" directory in /media/mmc1? Oct 22 19:42:07 Huh Oct 22 19:42:13 "It uses the matchbox window manager" Oct 22 19:42:16 neostrider, maemo-af-desktop was replaced with hildon-desktop in os2008 Oct 22 19:42:27 qwerty12_N800: Im getting old! Oct 22 19:42:27 neostrider, no, my bad :/ Oct 22 19:42:34 "and like ubuntu mobile it uses gtk based hildon as it's gui and app framework" Oct 22 19:42:53 UME is not using hildon anymore..right? Oct 22 19:43:14 it is, AFAIK Oct 22 19:43:22 (why dont openmoko uses hildon instead of that..."bizarre" UI?) Oct 22 19:45:02 probably a case of hildon not being a great choice when they started Oct 22 19:45:08 anyone used ubuntu mobile? Oct 22 19:45:16 does UME really exist? Oct 22 19:45:39 I heard there is progress going on...but never saw it... Oct 22 19:45:47 I was eager to run it on my EeePC =-) Oct 22 19:46:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ubuntumobile.jpg Oct 22 19:46:19 neostrider, eee isn't touchscreen is it? Oct 22 19:46:26 not really =-/ Oct 22 19:46:39 at least, not my model Oct 22 19:46:55 I own the LOWEST possible model in the ladder Oct 22 19:46:58 2G Surf Oct 22 19:47:19 but I love it, in all its glorious cheapness Oct 22 19:47:55 http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile Oct 22 19:49:10 im in shock! Oct 22 19:49:25 hmm... there's not a download for it. :-/ Oct 22 19:49:34 sudo apt-get install ubuntu-mobile Oct 22 19:50:49 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mobile/releases/hardy/ OOooooo Oct 22 19:50:49 It just looke like Canola2, lol Oct 22 19:51:43 how to test those images? Oct 22 19:51:50 qemu? Oct 22 19:52:21 or buy a samsung q1? Oct 22 19:53:28 we dont have Q1's in Brazil =-P Oct 22 19:53:40 samsung doesnt like us Oct 22 19:53:53 I don't think we have them here either :) Oct 22 19:54:42 Go to South Korea and complain :) Oct 22 19:55:47 my south korean (and former samsung employee) ex-girlfriend wouldnt appreciate it =-P Oct 22 19:56:01 hehe Oct 22 19:56:07 hey bondomondo, nice nickname heheh Oct 22 19:56:26 guess I could just swim over and pick one up... Oct 22 19:56:42 qwerty12_N800, you could walk over and meet me there Oct 22 19:57:03 cant you guys just throw one q1 one for me? Oct 22 19:57:10 johnx, I live on an island too :) Oct 22 19:57:17 c'mon...its just two oceans from here! Oct 22 19:57:38 qwerty12_N800, ah. suppose a quick dip and a short stroll then Oct 22 19:57:40 (anyone else tried my game?) Oct 22 19:58:24 I will in the morning. but for now I'm headed to sleep actually Oct 22 19:58:35 I'll download it now though :) Oct 22 19:58:42 thanks Oct 22 19:58:47 johnx, hehe, i'll let you do all the talking. if i argue, samsung will be treated to my extensive range of offensive words :p Oct 22 19:58:58 compliments: monteiroquiet at gmail dot com Oct 22 19:59:03 complaints: /dev/null Oct 22 19:59:08 ahaha Oct 22 19:59:08 anybody here expert in multibooting? Oct 22 19:59:09 lol Oct 22 20:00:05 * johnx wants to stab rapidshare some days Oct 22 20:00:37 * wants to stab rapidshare just everytime Oct 22 20:00:45 * qwerty12_N800 has a friend who shares his accounts with me :p Oct 22 20:00:49 (oops...forgot the /me ) Oct 22 20:00:50 I only use it some days Oct 22 20:01:01 * johnx really sleeps Oct 22 20:01:14 I only use it becouse geocities is a bad bad bitch sometimes Oct 22 20:01:41 (don't everybody volunteer at once) Oct 22 20:01:50 geocities.. yeuch Oct 22 20:02:11 qwerty12_N800: sometimes a man get's desperate for some web hosting... Oct 22 20:02:24 heelio: we dont want to burn your device =-P Oct 22 20:02:37 neostrider, I know, i used geocities years ago :p Oct 22 20:02:42 hey... Oct 22 20:03:08 just wanna know if its doable to do this one thing on an n800 Oct 22 20:03:10 neostrider: but surely not THAT desperate? Oct 22 20:03:37 heelio: if you mean to inquire about erotic experiences, we can't help you Oct 22 20:04:03 RST38h: Im cheap =-P Oct 22 20:04:13 neostrider: Google Pages? Oct 22 20:04:16 want to triple boot diablo from flash or from 2 1gig partitions on a 2 gig mmc. doable? Oct 22 20:04:21 hummmm Oct 22 20:04:31 maybe? I will investigate the idea... Oct 22 20:04:39 does google own everything it displays? Oct 22 20:04:45 no idea Oct 22 20:05:34 ( i was being ironic =-P) Oct 22 20:06:51 while i'm about it, is there a decent gui or menu driven file manager for the tablet, anywhere? Oct 22 20:07:29 Midnight Commander, but it has got some issues Oct 22 20:08:20 tried that; shoulda specified that if menu driven, needs to be well documented... ;) Oct 22 20:09:12 well folks, got to go Oct 22 20:09:19 If you can't figure how MC works, I can't help you Oct 22 20:09:23 Im working on the multiplayer version of Angstron... Oct 22 20:09:26 thanks for the help Oct 22 20:09:27 []s Oct 22 20:09:29 =) Oct 22 20:09:50 yeah the q1 looks pretty sexy Oct 22 20:09:58 only 3 hours though. Oct 22 20:31:15 Hi, while installing the 4.1.1 SDK i get following erro => Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/libh/libhildon/libhildon1_2.0.6-1_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.1/free/s/samba/libsmbclient-dev_3.0.23c-1osso11_i386.deb Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) Oct 22 20:31:42 Is this a temporary server problem ? Oct 22 20:55:31 anybody know whats wrong with my mc booting copy of knips? only gives me a green screen. works okay booting from flash. Oct 22 20:56:00 hi ther Oct 22 20:56:02 e Oct 22 22:59:36 any idea where the cheapest n810 wimax can be bought? amazon has it for $362 free ship + no tax Oct 23 00:24:30 night Oct 23 00:57:04 my internal flash (the 2gb part) on my n810 went readonly a week or two ago and I have no idea why. Oct 23 00:58:24 I don't have any other flash, so now it's kinda hard to add anything to my n810 :( Oct 23 00:58:44 fstab's options still say rw, so I don't know what's going wrong... Oct 23 00:59:05 I also don't know how to get root on my n810 :/ Oct 23 00:59:22 most importantly, this is making it impossible for me to do a backup Oct 23 01:00:32 Chani: is sshd running? if so, then just ssh in Oct 23 01:00:57 Chani: copy valuable data (if it's not corrupted) Oct 23 01:01:04 then reformat the internal memory card from the file manager Oct 23 01:01:19 personally, I don't trust the internal flash at all after it failed 5 times Oct 23 01:01:25 Chani: it's going to be hard to crack into a box that's read only if somethings aren't writable since you can't add sshd or a root kit Oct 23 01:01:46 ryoohki: internal 2gb flash of the n810 isn't used for installing packages Oct 23 01:01:55 Chani: does the n810 show up as a usb drive on your desktop machine? Oct 23 01:01:55 ryoohki: no, I don't think I installed it Oct 23 01:02:13 unless apt tries to download .debs into it Oct 23 01:02:19 apt doesn't Oct 23 01:02:22 Application manager normally does Oct 23 01:02:27 but it fails gracefully now. Oct 23 01:02:30 oh, fuck. I can't do *anything* interesting without root. fstab doesn't even let me mount/unmount this thing as a regular user Oct 23 01:02:38 ryoohki: yes, it shows up. readonly. Oct 23 01:02:40 Chani: if no ssh and no rootkit then maybe there is a way to add it to a microsdhc card Oct 23 01:02:41 Chani, you probably have an oversized partition table Oct 23 01:02:45 and now it's corrupt Oct 23 01:02:52 Reformat and you'll be fine. Oct 23 01:02:55 ~rootsh Oct 23 01:02:56 rootsh is, like, an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ Oct 23 01:03:00 mgedmin: I can't copy the data to a readonly partition Oct 23 01:03:07 Chani: if it shows up readonly just copy it Oct 23 01:03:13 maybe I could scp the data.... if scp is installed... Oct 23 01:03:22 yes! it's installed Oct 23 01:03:27 ok, I';m not totally screwed Oct 23 01:03:33 Chani: not copy it to itself, copy it to your desktop Oct 23 01:03:45 (or to an external card, if you have one) Oct 23 01:03:55 Chani: are you using linux? Oct 23 01:04:05 Chani: what is your desktop? Oct 23 01:04:10 ryoohki: also, I don't have any flash cards of my own Oct 23 01:04:22 Chani: maybe borrow one Oct 23 01:04:26 GeneralAntilles: it worked fine before. I didn't do anything weird Oct 23 01:04:44 It comes corrupt from the factory. Oct 23 01:04:54 for extra convenience Oct 23 01:04:56 Chani: what is your desktop os? Oct 23 01:05:07 Chani, you were never anywhere close to "screwed" from the beginning. :) Oct 23 01:05:15 ryoohki: everyone has compactflash or regular SD, though. I've been meaning to track down a mini-sd adaptor... Oct 23 01:05:16 GeneralAntilles: "corrupt from the factory" really?! Oct 23 01:05:25 ryoohki, the partition table was oversized Oct 23 01:05:29 it was fixed fairly quickly Oct 23 01:05:30 GeneralAntilles: it does? oh *lovely* Oct 23 01:05:38 but the distribution lines are longer in some places than in others Oct 23 01:05:45 So there's still some filtering through Oct 23 01:05:47 Chani: no you can't use a sd Oct 23 01:05:59 unfortunately my laptop's in a bit of a fragile state right now too Oct 23 01:06:04 When you hit an oversized sector is entirely random, too. Oct 23 01:06:08 ryoohki: yes,. I know, that's my point Oct 23 01:06:15 Chani: what os does your laptop have? Oct 23 01:06:21 ryoohki: arch., Oct 23 01:06:39 Chani: the adapters go from micro/mini to sd not sd to micro/mini Oct 23 01:06:52 Chani: arch? Oct 23 01:07:04 ryoohki: I know. so I'l;l have to buy an adaport and a micro card Oct 23 01:07:15 because there are no mini cards Oct 23 01:07:18 Chani: what is an "arch."? Oct 23 01:07:26 ryoohki: a linux distro. Oct 23 01:07:47 http://www.archlinux.org/ Oct 23 01:07:51 yay! someone fixed whatever was breaking my plasma. one issue down Oct 23 01:08:07 I think I'll come back to the n810 problems after my laptop is in a better mood ;) Oct 23 01:08:25 now that I know there's a way to fix things I';m happy Oct 23 01:08:27 Chani: if wireless is working, you can "mkdir n810_fs ; rsync -avz -e ssh root@n810.ip.address:/. n810_fs/. Oct 23 01:08:37 I won't die if I don't get music on it tonight ;) Oct 23 01:08:52 The stuff that's on there isn't going anywhere. Oct 23 01:09:03 ah crud, I should've eaten already **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 23 02:59:57 2008