**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 02 02:59:57 2008 Nov 02 03:19:17 anyone got the WiMAX edition yet? Nov 02 04:57:16 Which is better for "Clone to SD" ... 150x SD , or a class 6 card / Nov 02 04:57:31 and if so, how big of a difference Nov 02 05:30:56 * robink wants his modules.dep Nov 02 05:57:51 i have tried a few different ways to flash the rootfs on my n810 wimax to no avail... last it tried as root was : "./flasher-3.0.amd64 -r rootfs.jffs2 -R" Nov 02 08:57:39 hi people, i am trying N800-s2RAM, but it eats my CPU.... which version is better? or any other solutions to save my battery at night? sry i am newbie... Nov 02 09:00:51 pls.. anyone? my nokia i every morning death... and i am sad.. Nov 02 09:07:52 joueur_: http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/openwrt.org/people/mbm/n800/suspend.sh is something i used and seemed to work decently Nov 02 09:08:01 n800-s2ram is closed source Nov 02 09:08:14 best way to save battery at night is make sure your wifi ap has PSM ability Nov 02 09:20:52 Stslaptop: i am turning off wifi && bluetooth at night... i have nokia N800 second day, but every morning is my byttery drained.. Nov 02 09:21:27 did you kill metalayer-crawler yet? Nov 02 09:21:58 meta.. what? wait i will look at google.. Nov 02 09:22:41 there's a search engine that sometimes run a bit amok :) Nov 02 09:28:46 Stslaptop: this application is standart installed in Maemo Diablo? uff... exists in maemo something like xkill or htop ? thanks for a response.. Nov 02 09:31:22 htop is certainly installable Nov 02 09:31:34 well -normally- it behaves ok but for many not Nov 02 09:31:44 there can be other causes to battery drain though Nov 02 09:33:15 other causes? like? Nov 02 09:35:45 plenty mentioned on internettablettalk.com Nov 02 09:44:05 ok... last question.. is http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu piece of good software? Nov 02 09:52:12 well a cpu meter will take cpu as well ;) Nov 02 10:04:10 yep... i will use it just to debug... to find which app eat my CPU when i sleep :D Nov 02 10:18:14 Anyone got Pluthon working in Eclipse? The update manager seems fubar Nov 02 10:28:21 O_o @ https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3841 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3840 Nov 02 10:29:20 Why does maemo attract the retards? :( Nov 02 10:29:33 Most platforms get their own share of crazies. Nov 02 10:29:35 it is not secure to use rootsh in public network, isn´t it? Nov 02 10:29:52 :) Nov 02 10:34:54 Eh? So Russ has raised a bug, but then closed it WONTFIX himself Nov 02 10:34:55 ? Nov 02 10:35:40 I think he closed it out of spite because andre__ edited it. Nov 02 10:35:57 Right. Nov 02 10:36:12 So that leads me to conclude that he's 12. Nov 02 10:36:19 Oh, joy. ESBox doesn't work either. It installs, and looks like it's working, but the preference panels throw exceptions. Nov 02 10:36:23 colour me unimpressed. Nov 02 10:40:15 Still trying to use Eclipse? =) Nov 02 10:40:35 * Jaffa isn't going to blame Eclipse for the crapness of external people. Nov 02 10:40:51 You can always blame both Nov 02 10:41:01 And it will usually make sense, too Nov 02 10:41:09 Not without some mental leaps and a vendetta. Nov 02 10:41:24 vendetta would be good, yes Nov 02 10:41:36 ESBox & Pluthon have bitrotted, aren't supported on the latest versions of Eclipse and seem to have had more time spent on flashy websites than actually working. Nov 02 10:41:45 although I do not see a good enough reason given that this steaming pile of shit is free to use Nov 02 10:42:20 Try http://www.geany.org/ - it is nice Nov 02 10:43:21 * Stslaptop ponders idly if he's a platform crazie Nov 02 10:44:40 Stslaptop, spitefully delete your wiki pages when somebody else contributes to them and it'll be confirmed. Nov 02 10:44:52 ah Nov 02 10:45:14 That is actually an interesting tactic Nov 02 10:45:35 Open a bunch of wiki pages on useful topics, wait for people to contribute, then delete the pages. Nov 02 10:46:20 thats scary Nov 02 10:46:30 that's the best thing about it Nov 02 10:46:31 Sounds pointless Nov 02 10:46:31 Thankfully only admins can delete pages. Nov 02 10:46:52 sometimes when i deal with wpa_supplicant, NM and such, I'm grateful for Nokia's seamless connectivity. Nov 02 10:46:53 You could blank them but it's a one-click reversion process. Nov 02 10:47:10 doesn't make sense then Nov 02 10:48:38 Are we actually confirmed for this Tuesday, or is it still up in the air? Nov 02 10:49:00 You mean Maemo irc meeting or the elections? =) Nov 02 10:49:11 Sprint review Nov 02 10:50:52 sprint review and elections in one night, that'll be exciting ;> Nov 02 10:54:02 would any of you lot sign up to follow a twitter user that had never tweeted? Nov 02 10:54:14 (mornin btw) Nov 02 10:54:20 I'm only subscribed to Jaiku Nov 02 10:54:30 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints <- we still need an index page. Nov 02 10:54:57 jaiku is invite based though - cant get in the club unless they let ya Nov 02 10:55:05 Not anymore Nov 02 10:55:06 Just register Nov 02 10:55:11 i did Nov 02 10:55:14 i havent heard back Nov 02 10:56:13 Not a member yet? [request an invitation] Nov 02 10:56:52 lcuk: i used a jaiku invites page Nov 02 10:56:55 seemed to do the trick Nov 02 10:57:27 "To request an invitation to beta-test the service, please enter your email address in the field below, and we'll let you know when an account becomes available. " Nov 02 10:57:32 ... Nov 02 10:57:56 http://jaikuinvites.com/ worked for me.. but then again, odd people are signing up for my jaikus Nov 02 10:58:10 Stslaptop, Maemo people? Nov 02 10:58:22 GeneralAntilles: i guess that's a subset of odd people Nov 02 10:58:27 some1 is following me on twitter - ive not wrote a single tweet yet Nov 02 10:59:08 * GeneralAntilles stalks Stslaptop. Nov 02 10:59:30 have any of you got an invitation thingy waiting Nov 02 10:59:31 * RST38h makes a voodoo doll in Stslaptop likeness Nov 02 11:00:06 i would rather get an invite from some1 i know :$ Nov 02 11:00:14 * Stslaptop doesn't seem to have any invites Nov 02 11:00:27 oh, there Nov 02 11:00:32 lcuk: mail? Nov 02 11:00:39 liquid@gmail Nov 02 11:00:49 invited Nov 02 11:00:54 excellent Nov 02 11:01:05 thanks Nov 02 11:01:52 Stslaptop, where'd you find them? Nov 02 11:02:08 ps, quantum of solace is AMAZING Nov 02 11:02:27 GeneralAntilles: People -> Invite friends Nov 02 11:04:38 ~curse wpa-supplicant and my machines for acting crap so i can't access my working wpa_supplicant.conf for this network Nov 02 11:04:39 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, wpa-supplicant and my machines for acting crap so i can't access my working wpa_supplicant.conf for this network ! Nov 02 11:05:27 Heh, I'm having troubles with the new network manager in intrepid :P. Gonna remove the shit and setup the network config manually :P Nov 02 11:06:06 * RST38h has not even been offered to upgrade to intrepid. Is it right? Nov 02 11:06:35 RST38h: Update notifier told me. Upgraded yesterday. Nov 02 11:07:38 i'm confused.. which distri should i specify in my sources.list when running a OS07 hacker edition? bora? Nov 02 11:08:37 at least mplayer dies with a illegal instruction.. Nov 02 11:09:20 Jaffa: Maybe I have to wait until it runs the check again Nov 02 11:15:19 fish_: maybe you've gotten a VFP version or something? 770's aren't able to run those.. :P Nov 02 11:22:49 * lcuk is the stickman at the back Nov 02 11:23:09 how do i link jaiku to irc? ie every irc line i make goes to jaiku as well ;) Nov 02 11:23:24 every /me or? :P Nov 02 11:23:27 hang on, thats not such a bad idea Nov 02 11:23:32 may be Nov 02 11:23:33 .P Nov 02 11:23:36 have a jaikubot that you can whisper Nov 02 11:24:06 * qwerty12 wonders why the pcspkr module is even included with ubuntu :( Nov 02 11:24:15 heh Stslaptop i actually think it will get full very quickly Nov 02 11:24:26 hiya qwerty Nov 02 11:24:30 * Stslaptop glances at hildon-desktop in ubuntu mojo and ponders. Nov 02 11:24:33 heh, hi lcuk Nov 02 11:24:56 i have a mission for you if you are able Nov 02 11:25:18 I can try, if my internet connection manages to stay up in linux that is :P Nov 02 11:25:39 qwerty12: i know the feeling. i gave up on wpa supplicant and now installing network manager and a X desktop on my server :P Nov 02 11:25:44 lol it should technically be quick, but if you look at it and think it wont be dont worry Nov 02 11:27:04 Stslaptop, I want to achieve the opposite :P. Though actually, my wifi connected straight away with network manager. Either because I stopped the ipv6 module from starting or nm has a 6th sense that I was about to remove it :P Nov 02 11:27:07 lcuk, go on :) Nov 02 11:28:50 okay. repository.handhelds.org must be running on same servers as maemo.org. 15k/s. Nov 02 11:29:00 and this is even with half of the dorm network cut off Nov 02 11:50:24 Stslaptop, you are makin some serious headway with your reconstructed page Nov 02 11:51:18 i need to go for a bit anyway, back later this afternoon sometime Nov 02 11:51:28 qwerty12_N800, cya later, thx Nov 02 11:54:36 kk, bye lcuk for now Nov 02 11:55:21 qwerty12_N800: have you tried org-mode on maemo emacs? Nov 02 11:56:00 aspiers, I don't have emacs installed anymore Nov 02 11:58:40 oh? Nov 02 11:58:51 I am going to try it with org-mouse Nov 02 12:13:05 aspiers: have you seen http://orgmode.org/GoogleTech.html Nov 02 12:13:20 it's open in a tab at the moment :) Nov 02 12:47:06 lbt: yes, it's a great talk Nov 02 12:47:20 lbt: I'm a part-time org-mode hacker Nov 02 12:55:22 lcuk: think i need someone with proper knowledge of things to go through it and weed out weird statements Nov 02 13:20:28 qwerty12_N800: interesting fact of the day. apt-get --no-install-recommends install hildon-desktop (that's ubuntu mobile), 110.4M flash. Nov 02 13:21:03 ooh Nov 02 13:22:05 it even includes scary things like libxu Nov 02 13:22:05 l Nov 02 13:22:30 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/ubuntumobile.txt <- dpkg -l Nov 02 13:52:10 ok Nov 02 13:52:30 does someone around have a bunch of nice vim settings? Nov 02 13:52:54 oh nvm Nov 02 14:21:17 I installed xchat, and the software is constantly ping time out on some server. It seems that the network delaying a lot when the n810 is in idle mode Nov 02 14:27:01 hellwolf: possibly an artefact of wifi power saving. the ping class on the irc server should probably try to ping you more often Nov 02 14:27:58 Stskeeps, thanks, but how could I turn off the power saving Nov 02 14:28:08 ~wifi-psm Nov 02 14:28:08 [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Nov 02 14:30:23 GeneralAntilles: when I've finished the reconstructed wiki page, is there any chance I could recruit you to comb through it a bit for weird sentencing/non-understandable stuff/obvious signs of stream of conciousness? Nov 02 14:30:39 Yeah, I'll copy edit. Nov 02 14:30:40 k Nov 02 14:31:35 would definately help to make it a more sane proposal when there's less of my insanity in it ;) Nov 02 14:34:48 * lcuk loves havin images in liqbase Nov 02 14:35:00 a picture is worht a thousand words Nov 02 14:35:06 and worth as well Nov 02 14:38:10 i'm really surprised what compression can do at times. i never thought a standard ubuntu mobile would fit in 110m flash Nov 02 14:38:13 :P Nov 02 14:38:55 heh wicked Nov 02 14:39:32 (admitted this is without any useful apps, just the desktop.) Nov 02 14:39:38 Stskeeps, is it using runtime compression? is it workable on device Nov 02 14:39:55 how much of a slowdown does it have Nov 02 14:40:58 lcuk: not sure, it's jffs2 so you're using it right now :P Nov 02 14:41:26 cool fair enough Nov 02 14:41:36 Marginal Nov 02 14:41:47 GeneralAntilles, yeah realise that now Nov 02 14:41:58 But the space savings really far outweighs the performance cost when you're talking about 256MB of storage. Nov 02 14:42:09 30-50% Nov 02 14:42:18 yeah, 270m -> 110m Nov 02 14:42:22 just a minimal quick compression, i understand Nov 02 14:43:38 Hello Nov 02 14:46:06 wello Nov 02 14:46:25 yello Nov 02 15:14:41 performance hit cant be that bad, remembering that runtime compression was commonplace over 15 years ago Nov 02 15:23:02 It's non-trivial Nov 02 15:29:05 sorry, but what is the current topic? Nov 02 15:29:25 jffs2 compression Nov 02 15:30:33 ah Nov 02 15:41:42 Hello all! Nov 02 15:43:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-oIMJMGd1Q Nov 02 15:43:39 Markets finally explained! Nov 02 15:43:40 =) Nov 02 15:46:22 :( Nov 02 15:46:34 need french subtitles Nov 02 15:47:43 you would then lose their british accents! :) Nov 02 16:07:10 hi qwerty Nov 02 16:07:18 hi woglinde :) Nov 02 16:07:20 qwerty13 Nov 02 16:07:36 RST38i Nov 02 16:09:41 is there some special repo I have to add to Ubuntu so that it lets me update to Intrepid? Nov 02 16:10:11 RST38h, checked that the update repo in "software sources" is ticked? Nov 02 16:11:20 checking... Nov 02 16:11:41 hi qwerty12 Nov 02 16:12:14 mrotSA Nov 02 16:13:51 args Nov 02 16:14:06 Says "Long Time Support Releases Only" Nov 02 16:14:17 lcuk: what kind of devel did you do before you came to tablets btw? Nov 02 16:14:52 yea, got it. should I upgrade? Nov 02 16:16:12 Stskeeps, started in c on the amiga, jumped to vb in windows in 1999, had head inthe sand building all sorts of systems since then, and now back to c finally Nov 02 16:16:36 Ah, Amiga... what pleasure it was to program Nov 02 16:16:42 and what was your first impression of the maemo development environment? Nov 02 16:16:43 No event loops =) Nov 02 16:17:32 1st impression was good - but then again that was python, scratchbox scared the shit out of me - i could barely understand linux let alone having emulated linux within normal linux within vmware Nov 02 16:17:45 hihi Nov 02 16:18:14 and you needed some help for the package dependencies Nov 02 16:18:20 hurts my head to think on multiple levels - hence now directly on the omap compilation suits my mind Nov 02 16:18:57 woglinde, different levels of abstraction, i still know nothing about linux Nov 02 16:19:29 lcuk hm oyu have to differ btw. the kernel and the other stuff Nov 02 16:20:06 no, not even that - theres so many libraries around - information overload Nov 02 16:20:53 it would be very easy for me to get bogged down in one specific library by looking extensively at one specific area Nov 02 16:21:28 lcuk: if we skip "it's linux" part, how would you like a SDK to be? an IDE, compiler and associated emulator? Nov 02 16:22:04 look at the visual basic 6 IDE for pretty much bang on Nov 02 16:22:17 code window / designer window / running code Nov 02 16:22:26 simple to switch between each Nov 02 16:22:50 fast and fluid - the editor is tuned to whats needed Nov 02 16:22:55 ever tried to develop for windows mobile per chance? Nov 02 16:22:58 the help system works exactly as expected Nov 02 16:22:58 / pocketpc Nov 02 16:23:07 yes - i hate the .net ide Nov 02 16:23:19 it "feels" too slow Nov 02 16:23:46 the ide is the most important part of my comfort - more specifically the editor Nov 02 16:24:11 how about "deploy to emulator" "debug on emulator", "debug on device" and such? Nov 02 16:24:13 komodo edit comes very close for c Nov 02 16:24:28 * Mousey cries Nov 02 16:24:33 when will canola crossfade??? Nov 02 16:24:39 what about geany? Nov 02 16:25:11 Mousey, it doesn't have anything to do with Canola. Nov 02 16:25:18 RST38h, not sure if i tried it, but there is a point where you have to stop looking, komodo ticked enough of my boxes to allow me to jump Nov 02 16:25:29 Mousey: not before Hadron Collider makes this question pointless Nov 02 16:25:31 ive not willingly opened up the visual basic editor now since the day i chose Nov 02 16:25:47 it has become my blank canvas Nov 02 16:25:54 * RST38h uses pico Nov 02 16:26:33 Stskeeps, i would like on device debugging Nov 02 16:26:48 for me, there is no "deploy to device" since i compile and run directly from device anyway Nov 02 16:26:54 *nod* Nov 02 16:27:10 RST38h: that doomsday machine won't be ready to destroy reality for another couple months.. thank the lord for the rebel scientists who sabotaged it and saved us all Nov 02 16:27:39 Mousey: Who said it were scientists? i used to have it - it operated the same way, my build script used to run make, scp the binary over, execute it, then kill -9 after it finished - it allowed me to CTRL-C from my big desktop keyboard and stop the app on device Nov 02 16:28:05 that was from within vmware scratchbox ^ Nov 02 16:28:12 hehe, that's one way Nov 02 16:28:23 lcuk: That is how I do it, but I use sb2 and scp from Linux directly Nov 02 16:28:24 it made sure it was controllable and managable Nov 02 16:29:02 RST38h, i will not jump from windows until i can get 1 thing: a touchscreen linux desktop - i want the eee monitor replacement but i cant afford one Nov 02 16:29:26 i have no room here to keep a second machine running, and i hate vmware Nov 02 16:29:55 it would take me too long to configure my own linux distro Nov 02 16:31:33 lcuk: Do you already have touchscreen windows desktop though? Nov 02 16:31:38 no Nov 02 16:31:55 then why worry? Nov 02 16:31:59 but if i am going to linux im taking my code with me and i want to touch the screen Nov 02 16:32:07 * RST38h has both XP and Ubuntu on his laptop but primarily uses Windows Nov 02 16:32:10 i want the big daddy version of liqbase :) Nov 02 16:32:15 ah Nov 02 16:32:33 well, you can get a UMPC and run Moblin Nov 02 16:32:50 or just buy a tablet-convertible laptop Nov 02 16:33:00 i got the nokia because it was preconfigured - i paid nokia to create and setup the device for me Nov 02 16:33:46 i do not have the knowledge of will to stop working for days to examine the market and configure it - asus are releasing something which fits, im gonna get one as soon as its feasible Nov 02 16:33:55 or will ^ Nov 02 16:34:25 * lcuk wants to buy his light sabre Nov 02 16:35:42 mmm, I don't want to say it, but if you do not spend at least some time examining the market, you have got high chance of buying a lemon Nov 02 16:36:04 i mean the software choices - theres hundreds of different combinations needing testing Nov 02 16:36:18 not really, only 3-4 at most Nov 02 16:36:35 it may LOOK like there are hundreds with all the buzz though :) Nov 02 16:37:53 i want a machine where i unwrap it its got linux on and all its bits work and are pretested and configured. its the OOB experience that counts Nov 02 16:38:37 asus is offering that - and just like the nokia it might not be perfect, but its a lot better than gettign a windows box and trying to force linux on it and have it account for all the hardware Nov 02 16:39:44 Acer does that too... :> Nov 02 16:39:47 its not important for now anyway - ive got my development environment setup and working, thats just the future Nov 02 16:39:49 and HP Nov 02 16:39:50 at least did Nov 02 16:39:51 and MSI Nov 02 16:40:06 desktop touchscreens preconfigured? Nov 02 16:40:12 and affordable? Nov 02 16:40:13 everyone has 2 questions Nov 02 16:40:19 although you do have to check first if that Linux is hackable Nov 02 16:40:21 1) will it run office Nov 02 16:40:27 2) will it run games Nov 02 16:40:31 :> Nov 02 16:40:40 And the answer is the same to both 1 and 2 :) Nov 02 16:40:50 so, we die Nov 02 16:40:57 That is why 3 times more MSI netbooks with Linux are returned than Windows ones Nov 02 16:41:00 chicken-and-egg problem Nov 02 16:41:05 AStorm: yes, unfortunately Nov 02 16:41:21 now, office is good Nov 02 16:41:28 I mean, openoffice Nov 02 16:41:38 UNLESS, it does not look like a laptop which is exactly what the tablet doesnt look like Nov 02 16:41:46 bbut, you can't grab a cd with soft and (ab)use it Nov 02 16:41:51 AStorm: Not really. They want MS Office Nov 02 16:41:56 orly? Nov 02 16:42:00 Open Office still has marginal penetration Nov 02 16:42:02 I did a test once Nov 02 16:42:09 replaced silently Nov 02 16:42:17 they didn't notice Nov 02 16:42:22 :P Nov 02 16:42:35 It i small things - once they hit a couple, they will want MS Office Nov 02 16:42:39 they did notice it later Nov 02 16:42:47 file format Nov 02 16:42:49 :P Nov 02 16:42:52 Format support, integration with other office tools, etc Nov 02 16:43:00 yup Nov 02 16:43:10 Macs might change things Nov 02 16:43:14 At the enf OO still loses :( Nov 02 16:43:25 Macs have small penetration too Nov 02 16:43:30 yet Nov 02 16:43:36 Less than Linux afaik Nov 02 16:43:45 can you automate open office from outside the app - like you can use activex and .net to control ms office? Nov 02 16:43:52 lcuk, sure Nov 02 16:44:01 it has a Java api Nov 02 16:44:14 ok, thats reasonable Nov 02 16:44:25 thx - ill keep that in the back of my mind Nov 02 16:44:48 JAVA api is unreasonable Nov 02 16:44:57 JavaScript would probably do Nov 02 16:45:57 no rst, java itself would be better - you can make the java scriptable and have control over types etc much better than the script variants Nov 02 16:46:39 * lcuk is used to a strong office object model Nov 02 16:46:57 lcuk: Look at the size of java runtime - you call it scripting language? Nov 02 16:47:35 who called it a scripting language.. Nov 02 16:48:00 question was to how to automate, i'd rather automate through java than some js doohickery Nov 02 16:48:09 .nod. Nov 02 16:48:20 https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed#Maemo_.22Reconstructed.22_SDK_.28developer_kit_for_the_platform.29 <- can someone tell me if this sounds sane, and like a proper idea for a SDK -you- as an developer would like to work with? .. and if my statements make sense. Nov 02 16:49:19 (the basic idea is making a proposal for a Maemo platform of the future, if we could tear down Maemo as it is now, and reconstruct it. Hence Maemo "Reconstructured". Nov 02 16:51:13 reconstructed? Nov 02 16:51:16 hey all, does anyone here use PIM applications on the nokia n810? Nov 02 16:51:45 hm popcorn time again Nov 02 16:51:50 Sts, why do you want to tear down Maemo? Nov 02 16:52:07 RST38h: reform is maybe a better word Nov 02 16:52:59 Do you think that the result of this reformation will be worth it? Nov 02 16:53:15 tear down as in deconstruct, and put the pieces back together. and if it's worth it, not sure, we'll see Nov 02 16:54:05 Sts: the cost of such reconstruction is too high to just "look and see" Nov 02 16:54:28 So, you would really have to come up with a list of good and undisputable reasons Nov 02 16:54:55 that's why i try to accompany it with actual research and seeing if it's plausible to work on, and find people agreeing with the statements :P Nov 02 16:55:54 it doesn't carry much weight when it's just me spouting out stuff, so Nov 02 16:57:37 and if maemo doesn't want it, it makes a good blueprint for a maemo alternative Nov 02 16:57:55 YEP Nov 02 16:58:27 BT KBD STUCK IN UPPER CASE Nov 02 16:58:41 hah Nov 02 16:58:51 * ShadowJK_ has been looking for a cheap bt keyboard Nov 02 16:59:05 ~curse maemo for broken kbd supporT Nov 02 16:59:06 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo for broken kbd supporT ! Nov 02 16:59:15 sshadow, apple Nov 02 16:59:27 there is nothing wrong with examining processes and seeing where can be improved - even if its not all used, its a good exercise and usually results in incorporating the most serious deficiencies into the current workflow. Nov 02 16:59:29 I don't consider 100€ as cheap :) Nov 02 16:59:36 80 Nov 02 17:00:48 very desirable - but remember to turn it off before shoving it into a bag Nov 02 17:01:03 * lcuk curses his apple kb for blocking stars at the summit Nov 02 17:17:09 Damn upgrade is going to download for 2 hours Nov 02 17:17:30 ...and then it will surely mess my the system. Nov 02 17:17:40 s/my/up Nov 02 17:18:44 how much diskspace free on internal flash? :) Nov 02 17:22:27 Shadow: You mean HD? =) Nov 02 17:23:05 After I keworked Maemo bootstrap, ~1.5GB, Ubuntu requires 1.1 for upgrade Nov 02 17:59:17 Hi, I got the N800 and it wont read my SD card, but when i connect it to PC , it works.. Nov 02 17:59:21 like connecting from the nokia Nov 02 18:08:36 any recommendations for bluetooth headphones for the n810? Nov 02 18:15:25 well if A2DP hasnt been released for maemo yet then I dont see the point of looking for a pair of bluetooth headphones Nov 02 18:16:35 indeed Nov 02 18:16:46 hi Nov 02 18:17:28 anyone knows a CAS for the n800 ? Nov 02 18:20:11 How would i get permission to /home/user .. from my pc? Nov 02 18:20:49 If i did clone to SD.. and i want to add stuff to SD, where would i put it? Nov 02 18:58:01 er, ill try again: hey all, does anyone here use PIM applications on the nokia n810? Nov 02 18:58:54 anyone here got their hands on N810 WiMAX? Nov 02 18:58:58 there's a good amount of discussion about that on internettablettalk, GuySoft Nov 02 19:03:05 Stskeeps, yes, but i want to hear from someone that it works.. i dont know if i should get a n810 or a palm Nov 02 19:03:18 hi ... which google URI is now life for maemo mapper? i can't find anyone... Nov 02 19:03:26 if you go for an awesome and flexible device, get n810, if you want a PDA, get a palm Nov 02 19:04:06 * lcuk flexes his n810 and watches as bits of LCD shatter and embed themselves in his eye Nov 02 19:04:12 thanks very much sts! Nov 02 19:04:20 sorry, awesomeness comes with responsibilities Nov 02 19:04:20 :P Nov 02 19:04:53 Never ever get Palm Nov 02 19:04:58 Palm is dead. Nov 02 19:05:06 well Nov 02 19:05:09 ok, or a windows mobile Nov 02 19:05:27 i managed to get my gf like pocket pc, couldn't show PIM stuff like that on n8x0 Nov 02 19:05:28 WinMobile...umgh... Nov 02 19:05:36 i don't like it either but it does what it's supposed Nov 02 19:05:37 * RST38h makes choking noises Nov 02 19:05:47 bbiab Nov 02 19:06:15 PIM is just an application. When there is need for it, it will be written. Nov 02 19:06:46 In fact, given money for it, I would do it myself Nov 02 19:07:05 it can't be that difficult to make, honestly. simple calendar, inbox and sync with various sources Nov 02 19:07:12 yep Nov 02 19:07:20 Stskeeps, but i want both :S Nov 02 19:07:21 and that'd do the trick Nov 02 19:07:32 GuySoft: get cracking and coding then :P Nov 02 19:07:35 well, UI has to be thought out, but there are examples on the market that can be simulated Nov 02 19:07:45 Stskeeps, however i rather it would be easy to sync than have advance PIM stuff Nov 02 19:08:04 Stskeeps, id love to.. however i started university today.. and my clie died yesterday... Nov 02 19:10:12 that's the problem with the platform not being commercially viable (yet?) Nov 02 19:10:14 GuySoft: consider a manual system like Xournal Nov 02 19:10:34 and apply the principles of getting things done Nov 02 19:11:23 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=238733&postcount=47 seems interesting Nov 02 19:12:27 libgringotts? =) Nov 02 19:12:39 Stskeeps, i just rather use a pen in that scene Nov 02 19:13:05 RST38h: better than VB3SD5E3.DLL Nov 02 19:13:31 yea :) Nov 02 19:13:42 GuySoft: hehe.. i stopped taking paper notes, exporting pdfs into onenote instead from xournal Nov 02 19:13:44 this osmo thing looks cool - when do we see it in extras? =) Nov 02 19:14:19 its hacky packages, and that's why stuff should be pushed along the lines i'm considering :P Nov 02 19:14:32 cos porting is much more difficult than it should Nov 02 19:15:28 why is it difficult? Nov 02 19:15:37 ShadowJK_: "indeed" for no A2DP support? Nov 02 19:16:05 RST38h: well, in instance of debian packages. debconf lacking, debhelper stuff, etc. Nov 02 19:16:47 which is part of a more underlaying problem Nov 02 19:17:02 Stskeeps, but we have fakedebconf! isn't that like the best eva? :p Nov 02 19:17:07 why not dumb down the build system though? Nov 02 19:18:36 i'm starting to think that Nokia thinks of the tablets as a embedded system whereas it should be seen as a limited-cpu limited-space limited-ram mobile device. maybe Nov 02 19:18:46 but above typical embedded system Nov 02 19:18:58 Well, it makes a lot more sense when you factor in the 770. Nov 02 19:19:03 and Nokia's background. Nov 02 19:19:35 it does make sense, but the 770 is capable of stuff still Nov 02 19:19:56 and maybe that's the blocker for nokia, that they see it like very embedded systems Nov 02 19:20:09 whereas open platforms are different creatures Nov 02 19:20:13 Some stuff, but not a whole lot. Nov 02 19:25:46 "The built-in flash contains around 64 MiB of shipped software. This means that about 64 MiB (770) or 192 MiB (N800/N810) is available to be shared between applications" Nov 02 19:25:49 eh. Nov 02 19:25:54 i've only seen 60m free or so at a reflash Nov 02 19:27:47 Stskeeps: get a 8GB sd card, and boot from there and you will see more ;) Nov 02 19:28:03 yeah, i know :P Nov 02 19:28:20 i prefer that method too but i'm putting myself in the place of a device developer atm Nov 02 19:28:27 for consumers Nov 02 19:28:35 are there any packages to add support for gsm audio files? Nov 02 19:30:39 Stskeeps, so if i want a pda, there is no solution in linux yet? :( Nov 02 19:31:02