**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 13 02:59:57 2008
Nov 13 03:02:42 <l7> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12651 same issue here, no answers
Nov 13 03:03:28 <SmackPotat> about nvd_data from the gps how do i view the 8 bit values as text http://pastebin.ca/1254918 is what i want without the spaces and newiles actually starting a new line
Nov 13 03:04:35 <l7> oh yeah, can i access the n800 in USB mode to fix it's settings?
Nov 13 03:05:34 <johnx> l7, not really. that depends on it being bootable
Nov 13 03:05:58 <johnx> are you running linux on your desktop?
Nov 13 03:06:07 <l7> yeah, i have an ubuntu install
Nov 13 03:06:10 <l7> also a mac install
Nov 13 03:06:51 <johnx> possibly I could make a backup of my initfs and you could try using the rescue mode in bootmenu to get a console
Nov 13 03:07:11 <l7> i can get into the USB mode used for flashing by pressing the home key
Nov 13 03:07:12 <l7> ah cool
Nov 13 03:07:39 <disco_stu_away> flash it then
Nov 13 03:07:53 <l7> eh, i don't know how much battery's left at this point
Nov 13 03:07:58 <disco_stu_away> but you have to be sure the battery will have enough power
Nov 13 03:08:13 <l7> yeah that's the problem, i don't know if it's capable of charging
Nov 13 03:08:22 <johnx> it's capable of charging
Nov 13 03:08:30 <l7> it *should* be, but i guess i need a second tablet to be sure
Nov 13 03:08:37 <l7> you're sure?
Nov 13 03:08:45 <johnx> 90%+ :)
Nov 13 03:08:51 <disco_stu_away> lol
Nov 13 03:08:53 <l7> then i should probably plug it in overnight and let it do it's thing
Nov 13 03:09:00 <l7> the charging screen is messed up
Nov 13 03:09:07 <johnx> I think that's the case
Nov 13 03:09:18 <disco_stu_away> 20 seconds of flashin wont consume that much power
Nov 13 03:09:22 <johnx> flashing just an initfs is safe though, even if it runs out of power in the middle
Nov 13 03:09:27 <l7> it should display a battery icon that fills up in 3 or 4 stages
Nov 13 03:09:39 <disco_stu_away> yes
Nov 13 03:09:42 <l7> but it just shows a half full battery and then a black screen
Nov 13 03:10:21 <johnx> but it will charge even without linux running
Nov 13 03:10:42 <l7> have you noticed the device makes a very slight sound when charging?
Nov 13 03:10:52 <johnx> most do I think
Nov 13 03:11:05 <johnx> or are you asking me?
Nov 13 03:11:11 <l7> yeah
Nov 13 03:11:27 <l7> normally i can hear the n800 as a rhymthic buzz on my stereo when it's connected on the same power strip
Nov 13 03:11:37 <l7> but i don't hear that buzz now
Nov 13 03:11:54 <l7> maybe it only causes a buzz when the device is booted into linux though, hard to say
Nov 13 03:12:11 <johnx> hmm...well that's slightly worrying, but it could also mean the battery is full and it's not charging
Nov 13 03:12:11 <l7> i wish i had a second tablet to measure to battery charge
Nov 13 03:12:38 <l7> i think the device always goes into charge mode from my experience
Nov 13 03:13:00 <l7> i will say it's in charge mode for about an hour if you disconnect it after a full charge and plug it in again
Nov 13 03:13:48 <disco_stu_away> my charger does a different sound when charging and not charging
Nov 13 03:14:27 <johnx> n810 or n800?
Nov 13 03:14:39 <l7> johnx: n800
Nov 13 03:14:52 <johnx> great :)
Nov 13 03:14:53 <l7> unless you're asking disco_stu_away
Nov 13 03:14:55 <johnx> running diablo?
Nov 13 03:15:04 <l7> are you asking me?
Nov 13 03:15:09 <johnx> yes
Nov 13 03:15:13 <disco_stu_away> no, mine does
Nov 13 03:15:14 * l7 is running diablo
Nov 13 03:15:33 <johnx> l7, just trying to figure out if I can make you a compatible initfs to flash :)
Nov 13 03:15:39 <l7> maybe i'll put my ear next to the charger later, i haven't tried that yet
Nov 13 03:15:41 <l7> ah
Nov 13 03:16:09 <l7> is initfs a startup script for linux?
Nov 13 03:16:35 <johnx> well, kind of. you can think about it that way
Nov 13 03:17:26 <disco_stu> initfs is a file system image that holds the files needed to boot
Nov 13 03:18:06 <l7> hrm, and init is the daemon that executes the files in initfs then?
Nov 13 03:18:27 <disco_stu> init is the father of all processes
Nov 13 03:18:40 <disco_stu> when your computer boots init is executed
Nov 13 03:18:57 <disco_stu> and in Linux, process are spawned in a process called fork
Nov 13 03:19:12 <disco_stu> so when init wants to execute a program
Nov 13 03:19:16 <disco_stu> it forks
Nov 13 03:19:27 <disco_stu> so you will have init and one clone
Nov 13 03:19:34 <disco_stu> then the clone makes a execl
Nov 13 03:19:53 <disco_stu> where it mutates to the the binary you want to execute
Nov 13 03:20:08 <disco_stu> and the you have two different programs running
Nov 13 03:20:59 <disco_stu> so.. every program in your tablet has init as its ancestor
Nov 13 03:21:08 <disco_stu> if you kill init your tablet dies
Nov 13 03:21:23 <l7> hrm, i never thought of it that way
Nov 13 03:21:57 <l7> i've seen a hierarcherical list of processes on the mac though
Nov 13 03:21:58 <disco_stu> thats the way the kernel handles it
Nov 13 03:22:07 <disco_stu> mac uses Linux kernel
Nov 13 03:22:12 <disco_stu> works the same way
Nov 13 03:22:16 <johnx> bsd actually, but close enough
Nov 13 03:22:18 <l7> it uses mach actually
Nov 13 03:22:26 <disco_stu> is a fork
Nov 13 03:22:33 <l7> but yeah it's very similiar
Nov 13 03:22:42 <johnx> well, bsd on mach
Nov 13 03:22:46 <disco_stu> its a copy
Nov 13 03:22:47 <disco_stu> :P
Nov 13 03:22:58 <l7> yeah
Nov 13 03:22:59 <johnx> a copy of linux? o really? :P
Nov 13 03:23:08 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:23:11 <l7> heh
Nov 13 03:23:16 <disco_stu> i hate mac
Nov 13 03:23:29 <disco_stu> is for ladybugs and girlies
Nov 13 03:23:34 <l7> eh, i don't want to get into that debate
Nov 13 03:23:37 <johnx> eh, they're perfectly nice machines if they work the way you want them to
Nov 13 03:23:55 <johnx> waiting for initfs backup to finish
Nov 13 03:24:03 <johnx> and finished
Nov 13 03:24:09 <l7> i like things and hate things about apple at various stages
Nov 13 03:24:25 <disco_stu> johnx: why are you making that ?
Nov 13 03:24:28 <l7> i just like ubuntu though
Nov 13 03:24:39 <johnx> disco_stu, for l7, so he can get to a rescue shell
Nov 13 03:24:41 <disco_stu> he can ue the initfs of the original firmware image
Nov 13 03:24:51 <disco_stu> s/ue/use/
Nov 13 03:24:51 <infobot> disco_stu meant: he can use the initfs of the original firmware image
Nov 13 03:25:02 <disco_stu> just flashing initfs
Nov 13 03:25:16 <l7> hmm
Nov 13 03:25:21 <johnx> right, but the initfs he has doesn't have the rescue menu built in :)
Nov 13 03:25:55 <disco_stu> thats a good one
Nov 13 03:25:56 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:26:13 <l7> johnx: this is because you're using boot from SD right?
Nov 13 03:26:18 <johnx> right
Nov 13 03:26:55 <l7> too bad nokia doesn't include it in it's images
Nov 13 03:27:36 <l7> i guess it might confuse average tablet users, though i am convinced average tablet users are all geeks like us anyway
Nov 13 03:27:44 <GAN800> Bull
Nov 13 03:27:47 <johnx> they really aren't :)
Nov 13 03:27:52 <l7> really?
Nov 13 03:27:59 <johnx> read ITT for like 5 minutes
Nov 13 03:28:07 <l7> i mean i thought normal people would just buy an iphone or something
Nov 13 03:28:28 <l7> i guess it's good that the device has a broader appeal
Nov 13 03:30:42 <johnx> ok, grab this: http://rapidshare.com/files/163258937/initfs.orig.jffs2.html
Nov 13 03:30:53 <johnx> sorry about the rapidshare, no host right now :/
Nov 13 03:31:03 <johnx> note to self: get a new webhost
Nov 13 03:31:29 <disco_stu> johnx: dont you have a public ip ?
Nov 13 03:31:37 <johnx> disco_stu, nope
Nov 13 03:31:44 <disco_stu> ok
Nov 13 03:32:08 <disco_stu> i dont have one either :(
Nov 13 03:32:10 <johnx> free inet connection at my apartment, but the whole building is behind one public IP
Nov 13 03:32:19 <johnx> so I'm actually behind two NATs :/
Nov 13 03:33:09 <johnx> l7, tell me when you have the file
Nov 13 03:33:57 * disco_stu is smashing stupid Tomcat
Nov 13 03:34:15 <johnx> the web server or your pet?
Nov 13 03:34:18 <l7> by the way, mediafire.com has slightly nicer hosting than rapidshare
Nov 13 03:34:36 <johnx> I'll use them in the future
Nov 13 03:34:51 <l7> yeah, they have no wait times, which is nice
Nov 13 03:35:04 <l7> cool, i have the file now
Nov 13 03:35:11 <l7> thanks for preparing it btw
Nov 13 03:35:19 <johnx> sure, it was super easy :)
Nov 13 03:35:23 <johnx> and you have the linux flasher already, right?
Nov 13 03:35:24 <disco_stu> i download a file of about 700mb from a free hosting dont remeber the name
Nov 13 03:35:40 <johnx> I'm just going to sign up with a new web host later today probably
Nov 13 03:35:40 <l7> hrm, not yet
Nov 13 03:35:49 <l7> last time i flashed i was still using windows
Nov 13 03:35:54 <johnx> ah, ok
Nov 13 03:36:02 <johnx> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php
Nov 13 03:36:03 <l7> is there a chance of bricking the tablet doing this?
Nov 13 03:36:09 <johnx> nope
Nov 13 03:36:20 <l7> it could lose power though right?
Nov 13 03:36:29 <johnx> even if it loses power, it won't matter
Nov 13 03:36:32 <l7> oh
Nov 13 03:36:43 <johnx> we're flashing initfs. the flashing is done by the bootloader
Nov 13 03:36:52 <l7> oh
Nov 13 03:36:53 <johnx> so if it fails, you just recharge and reflash again
Nov 13 03:37:04 <l7> trashing the bootloader is what bricks the tablet forever then?
Nov 13 03:37:25 <GAN800> Well, until you build a serial cable.
Nov 13 03:37:33 <l7> hrm
Nov 13 03:37:35 <johnx> has it actually happened to anyone?
Nov 13 03:37:49 <johnx> I don't want to say "it's never happened" but I've certainly never heard of it
Nov 13 03:37:59 <l7> dunno, GeneralAntilles was explaining how it could happen a while back
Nov 13 03:38:03 <GAN800> Nor have I
Nov 13 03:38:21 <GAN800> The probabilities are rather ridiculously low
Nov 13 03:38:48 <GAN800> Fuck GeneralAntilles. That guy's a stupid asshole.
Nov 13 03:39:17 <johnx> yeah, next time, I'm voting GAN800 for community chair-man
Nov 13 03:40:31 <disco_stu> what happened here ?
Nov 13 03:40:32 <l7> his explanation was pretty good compared to the other guy who was ranting about how you could brick your tablet
Nov 13 03:40:53 <GAN800> No, he sucks
Nov 13 03:41:07 <disco_stu> what GeneralAntilles said is that you will brick your tablet if the power is lost while flasgin NOLO
Nov 13 03:41:11 <GAN800> I hope GeneralAntilles dies and goes to hell.
Nov 13 03:41:16 <disco_stu> wich is a 5msec windows
Nov 13 03:41:27 <disco_stu> GAN800: behave
Nov 13 03:41:40 <l7> disco_stu: yeah
Nov 13 03:41:41 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: is a very good person
Nov 13 03:41:50 <disco_stu> he helped me a lot
Nov 13 03:41:56 <l7> man such acrimony in the OSS community isn't good
Nov 13 03:41:59 <GAN800> Pfft, he's a terrible person.
Nov 13 03:42:05 <johnx> l7, so download an appropriate version of flasher-3.0 from that site and once you do, login as root on your desktop
Nov 13 03:42:19 <l7> linux is all about collaboration and sharing and love right?
Nov 13 03:42:25 <l7> well maybe not "love"
Nov 13 03:42:34 <disco_stu> love ?
Nov 13 03:42:39 <l7> johnx: okay i'm switching to ubuntu
Nov 13 03:42:43 <disco_stu> i think you mean geeks
Nov 13 03:42:43 <l7> sharing and collaboration though
Nov 13 03:42:51 <l7> yeah, geeks
Nov 13 03:42:59 <l7> epic geekery
Nov 13 03:43:06 <disco_stu> thats right
Nov 13 03:43:32 <johnx> well I can deinitely say that both GAN800 and GeneralAntilles are totally geeks. maybe it's some kind of alpha-geek competition :/
Nov 13 03:44:35 <GAN800> Ehehe, sorry, that was evil
Nov 13 03:44:43 * GAN800 is GeneralAntilles
Nov 13 03:44:55 <GAN800> GeneralAntillesN800 ;)
Nov 13 03:45:42 <l7> okay, i'm on the ubuntu box now
Nov 13 03:46:54 <l7> hrm, do i want flasher-3.0?
Nov 13 03:47:05 <l7> or the static one?
Nov 13 03:47:07 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:47:17 <johnx> if you're on ubuntu i386 just get flasher-3.0
Nov 13 03:47:30 <l7> yeah, 32 bit ubuntu
Nov 13 03:47:43 <johnx> put the flasher-3.0 binary and the initfs.orig.jffs2 in the same directory, open up a terminal, cd to that directory and run:
Nov 13 03:47:50 <johnx> sudo ./n800-flasher3 -f -n initfs.orig.jffs2 -R
Nov 13 03:47:56 <l7> make the wrong choice and the tablet explodes?
Nov 13 03:48:07 <johnx> nah, if the flasher runs it'll flash
Nov 13 03:48:12 <disco_stu> just cut it off with your fears
Nov 13 03:48:17 <johnx> if it's not the right thing, then it won't run :)
Nov 13 03:48:24 <johnx> we won't mislead you
Nov 13 03:48:57 <disco_stu> GAN800: why do you have two nicks ?
Nov 13 03:49:08 <GAN800> GAN800 is my N800
Nov 13 03:49:14 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:49:22 <disco_stu> i didnt know it was you
Nov 13 03:49:34 <GAN800> I tend to act a little differently when hindered by a virtual finger keyboard, so I like people to know why.
Nov 13 03:49:48 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:50:00 <l7> so i have flasher-3.0 on the desktop
Nov 13 03:50:19 <l7> and the initfs.orig.jffs2 file
Nov 13 03:50:36 <johnx> so open up a terminal and type:
Nov 13 03:50:38 <johnx> cd Desktop
Nov 13 03:50:50 <l7> yeah i'm there
Nov 13 03:51:20 <l7> flasher-3.0 is an executable?
Nov 13 03:51:20 <johnx> then the line with sudo ^a couple messages back up^
Nov 13 03:51:24 <johnx> yes
Nov 13 03:51:42 <l7> i assume it's
Nov 13 03:51:43 <l7> sudo ./n800-flasher3 -f -n initfs.orig.jffs2 -R
Nov 13 03:51:47 <johnx> yes
Nov 13 03:51:53 <l7> don't i need to chmod +x it?
Nov 13 03:52:01 <johnx> yup
Nov 13 03:52:46 <l7> and should i plug in the tablet in USB mode first?
Nov 13 03:52:52 <johnx> nope
Nov 13 03:52:56 <l7> oh ok
Nov 13 03:53:03 <johnx> follow the normal flashing instructions:
Nov 13 03:53:06 <johnx> ~flashing
Nov 13 03:53:07 <infobot> it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 13 03:53:10 <disco_stu> is the same if he plugs it
Nov 13 03:53:23 <disco_stu> infobot: no, you are a sucker
Nov 13 03:53:24 <infobot> disco_stu: what are you talking about?
Nov 13 03:53:24 <johnx> except use the command I gave you instead of the one for flashing the whole firmware
Nov 13 03:53:28 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:53:40 <johnx> infobot, don't listen to disco_stu
Nov 13 03:53:41 <l7> ./flasher-3.0: 2: Syntax error: newline unexpected
Nov 13 03:53:49 <disco_stu> infobot: no, flashing is a t you are a sucker
Nov 13 03:53:50 <infobot> okay, disco_stu
Nov 13 03:53:52 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:53:53 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:53:54 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:53:55 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:53:59 <GAN800> ~botsnack
Nov 13 03:53:59 <infobot> aw, gee, GAN800
Nov 13 03:54:16 <disco_stu> infobot is friendly with me
Nov 13 03:54:26 <GAN800> disco_stu, fixit fixit fixit :P
Nov 13 03:54:30 <disco_stu> ok
Nov 13 03:54:39 <johnx> disco_stu, fine, but you have to answer the next questions about flashing :>
Nov 13 03:54:49 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:55:04 <johnx> l7, hmm
Nov 13 03:55:09 <disco_stu> infobot: no, flashing is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 13 03:55:10 <infobot> i'm not going to learn illegal characters, disco_stu
Nov 13 03:55:14 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:55:18 <l7> yeah i didn't get a proper download of the flasher file
Nov 13 03:55:35 <disco_stu> you both had to exchange md5sums
Nov 13 03:55:42 <GAN800> ~no flashing is  http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 13 03:55:43 <infobot> okay, GAN800
Nov 13 03:55:58 <disco_stu> i was going to GAN800
Nov 13 03:56:14 <GAN800> :p
Nov 13 03:56:16 <l7> trying again
Nov 13 03:56:22 <GAN800> I'm faster. ;)
Nov 13 03:56:27 <disco_stu> just wanted to know if the puppy would just obey normal people
Nov 13 03:56:36 <GAN800> Sure
Nov 13 03:56:38 <disco_stu> you know, since you are klingons
Nov 13 03:56:45 <GAN800> Define anything you need
Nov 13 03:56:45 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 03:57:14 <l7> johnx: now it says "Suitable USB device not found, waiting"
Nov 13 03:57:23 <disco_stu> GAN800: are there any ircstats for the channel ?
Nov 13 03:57:26 <l7> time to plug in and hold down the home key?
Nov 13 03:57:34 <disco_stu> l7: yes
Nov 13 03:57:35 <johnx> l7, yes
Nov 13 03:57:59 <GAN800> disco_stu, um, jott parsed the logs a few months ago
Nov 13 03:58:13 <GAN800> Don't have a link handy, though.
Nov 13 03:58:30 <GAN800> IRC will likely end up in karma at some point.
Nov 13 03:58:33 <l7> oh that was quick, it's booting from flash
Nov 13 03:58:53 <l7> looks like it's still stuck at the progress bar again
Nov 13 03:58:59 <disco_stu> ircstats are very funny
Nov 13 03:59:06 <johnx> hmm? it didn't give you a boot menu?
Nov 13 03:59:28 <l7> it did for about a second
Nov 13 03:59:34 <l7> i guess i gotta yank the battery again
Nov 13 03:59:52 <johnx> odd
Nov 13 03:59:59 <johnx> it should give you 30 seconds
Nov 13 04:00:01 <johnx> hmm
Nov 13 04:00:06 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: another thing is faster in Diablo is the file manager
Nov 13 04:00:17 <l7> press and hold the menu key it said
Nov 13 04:01:00 <GAN800> Yeah, still slow, though. :(
Nov 13 04:01:09 <disco_stu> GAN800: and i edited mce.ini so i can double click power button and set the nit to softpoweroff
Nov 13 04:01:10 <l7> okay cool, i have a boot menu now
Nov 13 04:01:20 <johnx> l7, ok, what are your options?
Nov 13 04:01:24 <l7> internal flash / deblet or power off
Nov 13 04:01:42 <GAN800> Too bad David refuses to let you double-click to wake it.
Nov 13 04:01:45 <johnx> does it have text across the top? hold xxx for rescue or similar?
Nov 13 04:01:49 <GAN800> For some retarded reason
Nov 13 04:01:56 <l7> hrm, i didn't see that
Nov 13 04:02:05 <l7> i wandered into USB networking mode
Nov 13 04:02:18 <johnx> ah, nevermind, that's right :)
Nov 13 04:02:25 <johnx> just didn't remember the text at the top :D
Nov 13 04:02:28 <l7> there's no recovery mode accroess the top
Nov 13 04:02:40 <johnx> usb networking is what you want
Nov 13 04:03:21 <disco_stu> GAN800: who is David ?
Nov 13 04:03:27 <l7> johnx: trying to telnet in now
Nov 13 04:03:31 <l7> it's rather slow
Nov 13 04:03:46 <johnx> hmm. it shouldn't be
Nov 13 04:03:57 <l7> am i supposed to get a login prompt right away?
Nov 13 04:04:03 <johnx> did you already setup the networking on your desktop?
Nov 13 04:04:34 <l7> no, everything on ubuntu is pretty much default
Nov 13 04:04:45 <l7> do i need to install a package?
Nov 13 04:04:52 <GAN800> programmer in charge of mce
Nov 13 04:05:10 <johnx> nope, but you need to activate the usb0 interface on your desktop before you can telnet
Nov 13 04:05:20 <l7> oh, how do i do that?
Nov 13 04:05:25 <disco_stu> what is mce btw ?
Nov 13 04:05:26 <johnx> sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1
Nov 13 04:05:39 * johnx checks to make sure that's right
Nov 13 04:06:09 <l7> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
Nov 13 04:06:09 <l7> usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
Nov 13 04:06:10 <disco_stu> he will have to insmod
Nov 13 04:06:35 <GAN800> daemon that controls power and device state stuff
Nov 13 04:07:29 <johnx> actually, unplug the usb and replug it, then try that same command again
Nov 13 04:07:57 <l7> weird, my tablet switched itself off
Nov 13 04:08:13 <johnx> as soon as you unplugged usb?
Nov 13 04:08:37 <l7> no while i was messing around pasting some stuff into gedit
Nov 13 04:08:44 <l7> trying agian
Nov 13 04:09:31 <johnx> you know the other thing here might be that your battery is dying or your charger
Nov 13 04:09:50 <l7> whups i did "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.15" by mistake"
Nov 13 04:10:11 <disco_stu> is the same
Nov 13 04:10:31 <l7> now i get "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host" instead of hanging at the telnet prompt
Nov 13 04:10:56 <disco_stu> can you ping it ??
Nov 13 04:11:18 <johnx> and if that fails, put the output of ifconfig on pastebin
Nov 13 04:11:32 <l7> seems to be 100% packet loss
Nov 13 04:11:39 <johnx> BTW, does the tablet refuse to start if there is insufficient power? at what point in the boot process is that checked?
Nov 13 04:11:40 <disco_stu> ok
Nov 13 04:12:25 <l7> http://paste.ubuntu.com/71188/
Nov 13 04:12:28 <l7> here's the ifconfig
Nov 13 04:13:35 <johnx> ah, alright, try that ifconfig line again
Nov 13 04:13:40 <johnx> sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1
Nov 13 04:13:42 <disco_stu> it is missing the ip address
Nov 13 04:14:24 <l7> okay done
Nov 13 04:14:39 <l7> the command returns a newline with no error messages
Nov 13 04:14:43 <johnx> correct
Nov 13 04:14:48 <johnx> now ping or telnet again
Nov 13 04:15:05 <l7> 100% packet loss
Nov 13 04:15:09 <johnx> gak
Nov 13 04:15:19 <l7> i can give the mac a try
Nov 13 04:15:29 <johnx> nah, that probably won't work
Nov 13 04:15:35 <l7> tablet went to sleep again
Nov 13 04:16:06 <johnx> do you have any friends with a nokia phone charger you can borrow?
Nov 13 04:16:15 <l7> what is the best order to reboot the tablet in?
Nov 13 04:16:26 <l7> a phone charger?
Nov 13 04:16:34 <johnx> any charger that's the same as the n800
Nov 13 04:16:42 <l7> i happen to have a nokia phone charger that might be compatible
Nov 13 04:16:47 <johnx> most current nokia devices use the same charger
Nov 13 04:17:17 <l7> how is the phone charger different than the charger that came with the n800?
Nov 13 04:17:44 <johnx> well, you said your battery doesn't show a charging animation, and you can usually hear it charging
Nov 13 04:17:50 <johnx> and it keeps shutting off randomly
Nov 13 04:18:03 <l7> hrm
Nov 13 04:18:17 <johnx> always test the simplest things first :)
Nov 13 04:18:53 <l7> how does charging work when in recovery mode?
Nov 13 04:19:10 <l7> i guess i can plug it in
Nov 13 04:19:26 <johnx> or test your n800 charger on your phone
Nov 13 04:19:55 <l7> it's about the same size and shape
Nov 13 04:20:04 <johnx> actually the real question is: does it turn on when you plug in the current charger?
Nov 13 04:21:07 <johnx> if it fits, then it should work, but you can double check that the voltage match on the charger if it makes you feel better
Nov 13 04:21:19 <disco_stu> johnx: lol.. that just will answer if the charger works
Nov 13 04:21:43 <johnx> disco_stu, yeah. like I said, test simple things first. ever work on a car before? :D
Nov 13 04:22:10 <disco_stu> i dont get what you mena
Nov 13 04:22:15 <disco_stu> s/mena/mean/
Nov 13 04:22:15 <infobot> disco_stu meant: i dont get what you mean
Nov 13 04:22:21 <l7> the voltage is a bit different on the phone version
Nov 13 04:22:30 <disco_stu> doesnt matter
Nov 13 04:22:38 <l7> anyway, why don't i just plug in the n800's charger?
Nov 13 04:23:23 <johnx> disco_stu, eh, I was thinking briefly that his charger might be dead, thus not charging, thus why his tablet randomly just shuts off in recovery mode
Nov 13 04:24:01 <l7> is this tablet not supposed to shut off in recovery mode?
Nov 13 04:24:13 <johnx> I've never had it happen
Nov 13 04:24:24 <l7> i suppose it's possible that a surge damaged the charger so that it will turn the tablet on but not charge
Nov 13 04:24:27 <disco_stu> maybe it is
Nov 13 04:24:41 <johnx> I think a recovery mode where the tablet randomly shut down would be kind of really dumb
Nov 13 04:24:46 <disco_stu> you want to know if the charger works ?
Nov 13 04:24:51 <johnx> yes
Nov 13 04:24:58 <disco_stu> put the connector in your tongue
Nov 13 04:25:08 <l7> uh, no thanks
Nov 13 04:25:21 <disco_stu> i'm not joking
Nov 13 04:25:28 <disco_stu> it wont hurt you
Nov 13 04:25:28 <l7> i know
Nov 13 04:25:37 <l7> i'd rather get a voltage testing kit
Nov 13 04:25:43 <l7> i'll try to find that old phone first though
Nov 13 04:25:44 <disco_stu> thats good too
Nov 13 04:26:20 <disco_stu> i dont know how i lived till today without last.fm
Nov 13 04:26:41 <l7> well here's the thing, the n800 doesn't shut down by itself when booting from flash
Nov 13 04:26:57 <johnx> it just stays hung?
Nov 13 04:26:57 <l7> but it does turn off in recovery mode while waiting for telnet
Nov 13 04:27:12 <l7> yeah, it just shows the hands screen
Nov 13 04:27:20 <l7> or the star trek version of it actually
Nov 13 04:27:43 <disco_stu> GAN800: im using the maemo startup logo you made
Nov 13 04:27:57 <johnx> the usb networking telnet mode should be pretty bulletproof
Nov 13 04:28:05 <disco_stu> but sometimes it appears with a blue thingy
Nov 13 04:28:14 <GAN800> disco_stu, did I link you to the Err set, too?
Nov 13 04:28:15 <l7> is the n800 supposed to stay in the boot menu indefinitely?
Nov 13 04:28:16 <johnx> do you have it plugged in when it shuts off?
Nov 13 04:28:31 <disco_stu> GAN800: maybe..
Nov 13 04:28:40 <disco_stu> the one that says maemo im using
Nov 13 04:28:41 <johnx> not the boot menu, but the usb telnet mode yes
Nov 13 04:28:44 <l7> johnx: it was unplugged and in telnet mode when it shut off
Nov 13 04:28:44 <johnx> let me test on mine
Nov 13 04:29:12 <l7> i'm going to move over to the mac and see if i can get USB networking on it
Nov 13 04:29:15 <GAN800> I tweaked the maemo.org set a bit, not sure if I ever uploaded i.
Nov 13 04:29:26 <disco_stu> l7 you wont make it
Nov 13 04:29:31 <disco_stu> mac wont be useful
Nov 13 04:29:34 <disco_stu> please
Nov 13 04:29:45 <johnx> the mac doesn't have the right networking drivers I think
Nov 13 04:29:47 <disco_stu> erase that partition
Nov 13 04:29:50 <l7> hrm macs aren't that bad eh?
Nov 13 04:29:51 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 04:30:03 <johnx> it's just a lack of drivers
Nov 13 04:30:06 <johnx> I have nothing against macs
Nov 13 04:30:17 <johnx> disco_stu is just insecure about secretly loving Macs :D
Nov 13 04:30:22 <l7> heh
Nov 13 04:30:23 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 04:30:27 <disco_stu> i hate them
Nov 13 04:30:27 <l7> i'll try the ports in the back of the PC
Nov 13 04:30:40 <disco_stu> i'm a GNU gentleman
Nov 13 04:30:49 <johnx> just try having it plugged in to a charger while in usb telnet mode
Nov 13 04:31:14 * l7 sucks some pentium exhaust
Nov 13 04:31:22 * disco_stu thinks l7 is not the geek he thought
Nov 13 04:31:33 <l7> for using a mac? :p
Nov 13 04:31:57 <l7> maybe i'm a wannabe
Nov 13 04:32:08 <johnx> heh...it's funny, cause a mac is closer to unix than linux is
Nov 13 04:32:11 <disco_stu> no for the mac
Nov 13 04:32:30 <l7> yeah, i used the mac as part of my transition plan from to unix
Nov 13 04:32:41 <disco_stu> because you didnt want to stick you're tongue to the charger
Nov 13 04:32:47 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 04:32:48 <l7> lol
Nov 13 04:32:57 <l7> i didn't want to gunk up the charger
Nov 13 04:33:04 * johnx wouldn't have stuck his tongue to a charger he didn't trust either
Nov 13 04:33:07 <disco_stu> i'll grab a glass of pepsi
Nov 13 04:33:08 <l7> anyway, what order do i want to plug in and turn on the tablet for USB networking?
Nov 13 04:33:16 <disco_stu> i would
Nov 13 04:33:32 <l7> tablet has not shut down in boot menu by the way
Nov 13 04:33:32 <disco_stu> i trust my live to everything that says nokia on it
Nov 13 04:33:46 <disco_stu> l7: start a console now
Nov 13 04:33:55 <disco_stu> and start usb networking
Nov 13 04:33:57 <johnx> turn on, get to telnet mode, plug in to power, plug in to usb, run sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.2 on the linux machine, telnet 192.168.2.15
Nov 13 04:34:18 <l7> weird, it just powered off when i yanked the USB cable
Nov 13 04:34:36 <johnx> was it plugged into power?
Nov 13 04:34:44 <disco_stu> are there any ghosts or spirits there
Nov 13 04:34:48 <l7> no
Nov 13 04:35:12 <l7> okay, no correlation between yanking the USB and the device switching off now
Nov 13 04:35:12 <johnx> try the order I just put up above ^
Nov 13 04:35:18 <l7> ok
Nov 13 04:36:15 <l7> have you guys noticed the nokia chargers don't have a positive and negative pole on the plugs?
Nov 13 04:36:39 <johnx> yeah, that's normal. international design
Nov 13 04:36:47 <disco_stu> its an standard
Nov 13 04:36:55 <disco_stu> positive is on the inside
Nov 13 04:37:12 <johnx> you mean on the part plugging into the outlet, right?
Nov 13 04:37:41 <l7> yeah
Nov 13 04:37:54 <l7> positive is normally the bigger prong right?
Nov 13 04:38:11 <disco_stu> no no
Nov 13 04:38:22 <disco_stu> the oulet part would be the wall ?
Nov 13 04:38:39 <johnx> yes, that's what we're talking about
Nov 13 04:38:54 <disco_stu> that wont never have positive or negative
Nov 13 04:39:05 <disco_stu> because is AC
Nov 13 04:39:07 <disco_stu> no DC
Nov 13 04:39:16 <l7> oh
Nov 13 04:39:17 <disco_stu> ac doesnt have polarity
Nov 13 04:39:25 <l7> so it doesn't matter which way you plug in the charger
Nov 13 04:39:31 <disco_stu> exactly
Nov 13 04:39:58 <disco_stu> the other part, the one that goes into the nit is DC current and there it matters polarity
Nov 13 04:40:33 <johnx> gah, think I might have just killed my usb stick :/
Nov 13 04:41:28 <Navi> johnx: nah, I just set you up
Nov 13 04:41:45 <Navi> I murdered the stick and planted false evidence that pointed to you
Nov 13 04:41:46 <johnx> nooo, I was framed! I didn't do it
Nov 13 04:41:55 <l7> johnx: woohoo it worked now!
Nov 13 04:42:00 <l7> how strange
Nov 13 04:42:10 <johnx> l7, when plugged into power?
Nov 13 04:42:15 <l7> yeah
Nov 13 04:42:23 * johnx whistles, tunelessly
Nov 13 04:42:33 <johnx> now the hard part
Nov 13 04:42:33 <l7> or maybe it was just doing everything in this order
Nov 13 04:42:50 <johnx> you need to figure out why it won't boot :)
Nov 13 04:42:52 <l7> i guess i'll copy this into gedit to add to the wiki later
Nov 13 04:43:04 <johnx> that would be great
Nov 13 04:43:05 <l7> hrm
Nov 13 04:43:55 <johnx> so now you need to figure out why it won't boot
Nov 13 04:44:02 <johnx> did you install anything new recently?
Nov 13 04:44:18 <l7> yeah, i have a lot of apps
Nov 13 04:44:22 <disco_stu> does maemo have a syslog ?
Nov 13 04:44:23 <l7> probably too much junk
Nov 13 04:44:30 <johnx> disco_stu, not by default
Nov 13 04:44:45 <johnx> l7, is there anything you installed after the last time you rebooted?
Nov 13 04:46:00 <l7> sorry, was writing down what we did
Nov 13 04:46:16 <l7> okay this is weird
Nov 13 04:46:24 <l7> # Connection closed by foreign host.
Nov 13 04:46:44 <l7> the telnet connection turned itself off
Nov 13 04:47:02 <johnx> anyways, hopefully someone else can give you some ideas, as I have to get to work
Nov 13 04:47:08 <johnx> back later tonight
Nov 13 04:47:10 <l7> maybe it gets times out after a certain amount of inactivity
Nov 13 04:47:17 <disco_stu> GAN800: when in softpoweroff my tablet blinks its led, even when is not intended to do so
Nov 13 04:47:23 <disco_stu> why is that ?
Nov 13 04:47:27 <l7> johnx: okay cool, thanks for  your help in getting this far
Nov 13 04:47:31 <johnx> might want to try a different usb cable if you have one
Nov 13 04:47:37 <l7> hrm
Nov 13 04:47:50 <l7> i'm even using the heavy duty stock nokia cable
Nov 13 04:48:05 <l7> also, the other thing is i used a USB port from the back of the machine
Nov 13 04:48:14 <l7> that might make a difference too
Nov 13 04:48:22 <l7> i'll try a cheapo USB cable though
Nov 13 04:49:55 <l7> hrm tried a new cable, same port but without charging
Nov 13 04:50:30 <l7> oh this is very strange
Nov 13 04:50:42 <l7> telnet always fails when power is not plugged in
Nov 13 04:50:55 <l7> the minute i plug in the power cable, USB networking works
Nov 13 04:52:44 <l7> lastlog http
Nov 13 04:55:39 <GAN800> disco_stu, in mce.ini there's a configuration for the LED behaviour in soft poweroff, set the duration to zero and restart.
Nov 13 04:58:08 <disco_stu> GAN800: nice man
Nov 13 04:58:10 <disco_stu> thx
Nov 13 04:58:24 <disco_stu> i'm not used to see the led flashing
Nov 13 04:59:05 <disco_stu> in the other side it is good because is the nit is turned off you will end up turning it on
Nov 13 04:59:21 <disco_stu> while trying to take out from softpoweroff
Nov 13 05:00:12 <disco_stu> btw
Nov 13 05:00:59 <disco_stu> GAN800: is softpoweroff better in terms of power consumption or is just a shortcut to lock screen and offline mode
Nov 13 05:01:00 <disco_stu> ?
Nov 13 05:01:42 <GAN800> It used it be a shortcut
Nov 13 05:01:56 <GAN800> but these days it may actually suspend processes
Nov 13 05:02:20 <GAN800> I know the browser doesn't continue loading pages in soft poweroff.
Nov 13 05:02:21 <disco_stu> that is good news
Nov 13 05:03:39 <l7> "usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" seems to happen a lot randomly
Nov 13 05:08:20 <l7> so what do i do once i am in telnet recovery mode?
Nov 13 05:09:34 <GAN800> There's a lot of new stuff on the OS2008 user site.
Nov 13 05:09:41 <l7> the wiki?
Nov 13 05:10:23 <l7> hrm it's fun to run top with only 15 processes
Nov 13 05:11:12 <l7> man the tablet keeps randomly rebooting while telnetted in
Nov 13 05:18:29 <disco_stu> l7: the thing is
Nov 13 05:18:43 <disco_stu> "is your tablet charging?"
Nov 13 05:19:23 <l7> can i check my battery level from the shell prompt?
Nov 13 05:20:10 <disco_stu> in a normal linux pc yes
Nov 13 05:20:13 <disco_stu> no sure there
Nov 13 05:20:36 <disco_stu> check if you can get into
Nov 13 05:20:54 <disco_stu> /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/
Nov 13 05:20:59 <disco_stu> dont know
Nov 13 05:22:33 <l7> hrm ok
Nov 13 05:23:17 <l7> i don't believe there's a /proc/acpi
Nov 13 05:23:44 <l7> i'll do a ls -R of /proc after i log back in
Nov 13 05:25:55 <l7> okay this is weird
Nov 13 05:26:06 <l7> telnet will hang every now and then
Nov 13 05:26:34 <l7> but doing "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.2" from another console unfreezes the telnet session
Nov 13 05:27:35 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 05:28:07 <l7> it works, i don't know why
Nov 13 05:28:09 <l7> voodoo
Nov 13 05:28:45 <l7> http://paste.ubuntu.com/71210/
Nov 13 05:29:05 <l7> no acpi directory in all of proc
Nov 13 05:31:40 <disco_stu> well 2:30 am here
Nov 13 05:31:50 <disco_stu> im going to hit bed
Nov 13 05:31:53 <disco_stu> see you around
Nov 13 05:58:18 <guillermo> ls
Nov 13 05:58:23 <guillermo> :-DDD
Nov 13 05:58:30 <guillermo> sorry
Nov 13 06:54:25 <vincenzo88> hello all!
Nov 13 07:16:49 <Meiz_n810> My m-r does not boot :(
Nov 13 07:18:14 <Meiz_n810> deblet rescue menus text shows with the screen of linuxrc messages...
Nov 13 07:23:10 <bradd> i am having problems installing the maemo-sdk. when I sh the file i eventually get 'dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of maemo-core-runtime: depends on sudo however pacage sudo is not configured yet
Nov 13 07:35:22 <vincenzo88> bradd, have you do a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ?
Nov 13 07:36:10 <bradd> I installed scratchbox fine, then I went with the sdk auto-installer. That was where the error occurred.
Nov 13 07:36:37 <bradd> should I login to scratchbox and do the apt stuff you mentioned before installing the sdk?
Nov 13 07:37:34 <vincenzo88> 1sec
Nov 13 07:37:41 <bradd> nm.
Nov 13 07:37:49 <bradd> i installed sudo on the host and everything installed
Nov 13 07:37:52 <vincenzo88> I am a novice in the developpement on maemo OS :p
Nov 13 07:40:32 <vincenzo88> "   NOTE: If you have existing Scratchbox targets named DIABLO_ARMEL
Nov 13 07:40:32 <vincenzo88>    or DIABLO_X86, you need to give the '-y' option for the script to
Nov 13 07:40:32 <vincenzo88>    force reset of your targets"
Nov 13 07:40:43 <vincenzo88> test with this : sh maemo-sdk-install_4.1.1.sh -y
Nov 13 07:41:00 <bradd> vincenzo88, thanks for looking, but it has installed fine now
Nov 13 07:41:54 <vincenzo88> Good, what was the problem ?
Nov 13 07:42:20 <bradd> my host distribution was missing sudo itself. I installed the package then the install succeeded
Nov 13 07:42:39 <vincenzo88> Ok
Nov 13 07:55:18 <jjo> bradd: what script required sudo to be installed?
Nov 13 07:55:53 <bradd> jjo, maemo-sdk-install_4.1.1.sh
Nov 13 07:57:10 <jjo> hmm... as far as I can see, it's not using sudo for anything and at least it shouldn't use it for anything
Nov 13 07:58:14 <bradd> sorry, the text is gone.. but this was done on a fresh install of arch linux
Nov 13 07:58:15 <jjo> I'll have to take a look
Nov 13 08:22:22 <chenkai> Hi, everyone.  I have a basic simple question about A2DP profile.  how can i make my Nokia N810 A2DP-enabled?  The internet tablet is officially declared to be A2DP-disabled.  i wonder if i could get some patch to install...Thanks for advance :)
Nov 13 08:31:24 <bradd> does maemo provide a #define for me to know I'm compiling on it?
Nov 13 08:38:25 <vincenzo88> You have to compile in the scratchbox environment no changes in the sources codes are requiered
Nov 13 08:38:43 <RST38h> vincenzo: oh really? :)
Nov 13 08:39:07 <vincenzo88> seriously!
Nov 13 08:39:09 <bradd> vincenzo88, I need to know if I'm compiling for maemo (so I can do some specific maemo stuffs)
Nov 13 08:40:19 <bradd> (like pixel-doubling, fixed size windows for now)
Nov 13 08:42:50 <X-Fade> Morning.
Nov 13 08:44:25 <StsN800> morn
Nov 13 09:00:55 <RST38h> Here, feed: http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/12/htc-max-4g-officially-announced-worlds-first-gsm-wimax-phone/
Nov 13 09:02:56 <RST38h> And, for the whole measure, this: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/10/nokia-internal-smartphone-roadmap-revealed/
Nov 13 09:05:01 <X-Fade> Well, voip over hsdpa and a voip-in number would make my tablet a phone ;)
Nov 13 09:09:14 <guardian> wow
Nov 13 09:09:20 <guardian> maemo is heaven
Nov 13 09:09:39 <guardian> i never thought I would have been that assertive once
Nov 13 09:10:32 <guardian> I got punished, I have to work on another linux based embedded platform :(
Nov 13 09:10:47 <derf> Haha.
Nov 13 09:11:25 <derf> Be happy it isn't VxWorks-based.
Nov 13 09:13:07 <guardian> the platform I have in hands is like "happily insert specific extensions to GTK+ by adding custom signals and new virtual functions but be sure you don't declare those at the end of the structs to be sure binary compatibility breaks ALWAYS"
Nov 13 09:13:53 <derf> "For your convenience."
Nov 13 09:14:24 <guardian> it smells NIH all around
Nov 13 09:16:48 <jjo> bradd: I wonder if the package maemo-version-dev would be what you need
Nov 13 09:17:17 <jjo> it should be installed by default in recent maemo releases
Nov 13 09:21:22 <bradd> jjo, ok, thanks. I'll look into it
Nov 13 09:22:00 <bradd> btw, has anyone gottan an xephyr session running on a different client than the maemo dev cliient to work?
Nov 13 09:29:46 <bradd> for what its worth, I find MAEMO to be defined during compilation
Nov 13 09:30:06 <bradd> oh, sorry thats wrong..
Nov 13 09:46:28 <jagernot> hi again; am here to (yet again) present my audio synth for comments/feedback/feature ideas
Nov 13 09:47:03 <jagernot>  http://www.poojyum.com/boxar its a box guitar for n810; screen: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/boxar.png
Nov 13 09:49:57 <bradd> jjo, ok pkg-config --exists maemo-version works for me. except I also need to know if I'm compiling in the X86 env or maemo env. (I am going to use this test to determine compile-time endianness)
Nov 13 09:50:19 <bradd> err ARMEL env
Nov 13 09:59:01 <gromgull> Does anyone know what pacakge I need to install to get ldd?
Nov 13 10:03:37 <X-Fade> Hmmm interesting A javascript -> dbus bridge http://sandbox.movial.com/wiki/index.php/Browser_DBus_Bridge
Nov 13 10:05:17 <RST38h> GTK+ is fragile by its nature anyway
Nov 13 10:05:49 <RST38h> And its authors have got some strange aversion to C++
Nov 13 10:08:05 <X-Fade> StsN800: Can you do the no_NO translation here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#Translations
Nov 13 10:10:08 <RST38h> X-Fade: [as a reminder] catch some Finn to do fi_FI
Nov 13 10:10:26 <X-Fade> RST38h: Yeah, already looking at my jabber contacts ;)
Nov 13 10:11:03 <X-Fade> Any Swedes around?
Nov 13 10:12:48 <johnx> mornin' StsN800 :)
Nov 13 10:14:07 <RST38h> moo, johnx
Nov 13 10:14:14 <johnx> m00f :)
Nov 13 10:14:31 * johnx finds dependency hell in the weirdest places :/
Nov 13 10:14:35 <johnx> it's like a talent
Nov 13 10:15:02 <RST38h> or a mental disease =)
Nov 13 10:15:12 <X-Fade> johnx: Just buy a 16GB card and do static linking ;)
Nov 13 10:15:46 <StsN800> X-Fade, im danish on a mobile provider owned by norwegians..
Nov 13 10:15:47 <johnx> won't fix the fact that other people depend on odd libraries :/
Nov 13 10:16:13 <X-Fade> StsN800: Heh, I went with the .no ;) Sorry...
Nov 13 10:16:20 <johnx> can you trick their customer service into doing a translation?
Nov 13 10:16:59 <X-Fade> I wonder if we should add more languages even though they are not officially supported.
Nov 13 10:20:29 <RST38h> X-Fade: I would at least add pl_PL and lt_LT or whatever it is called
Nov 13 10:20:49 <RST38h> X-Fade: PL can be done by AStorm or hrw. mgedmin can do LT
Nov 13 10:20:58 <woglinde> hm I just wondered the locales packages striped out utf8 stuff
Nov 13 10:21:10 <X-Fade> RST38h: yeah, indeed.
Nov 13 10:21:34 <X-Fade> RST38h: It would be interesting if johnx could do jp_JP :)
Nov 13 10:21:40 <RST38h> I think we have also got a Belgian and an Italian in the crowd (please, stand up =))
Nov 13 10:21:50 <X-Fade> RST38h: Belgian is no language.
Nov 13 10:21:56 <woglinde> *g*
Nov 13 10:21:59 <RST38h> X-Fade: Better yet, his gf could ;)
Nov 13 10:22:11 <RST38h> X-Fade: Well, there is already es_MX ...
Nov 13 10:22:36 <X-Fade> RST38h: I think it is there because it is officially supported?
Nov 13 10:22:45 <RST38h> X-Fade: Probably...
Nov 13 10:23:00 <RST38h> But it makes fr_BE sound logical
Nov 13 10:23:31 <johnx> X-Fade, Sore wa mendokusai -_-;;
Nov 13 10:24:00 <RST38h> johnx: Could you ask someone to do jp_JP, really? It is just a dozen of words
Nov 13 10:24:07 <X-Fade> RST38h: As does nl_BE and de_BE, but yeah..
Nov 13 10:24:30 <johnx> yeah, shouldn't be a problem
Nov 13 10:25:18 <RST38h> X-Fade: fanoush may be able to do CZ
Nov 13 10:25:45 <woglinde> someone knows what happend with jolt?
Nov 13 10:27:59 <RST38h> X-Fade: Also, try KotCzarny for PL (looks like he is online)
Nov 13 10:34:15 <lardman> morning
Nov 13 10:34:26 <woglinde> hi lardman
Nov 13 10:34:34 <lardman> hey woglinde
Nov 13 10:35:47 <lcuk> RST38h, kots not in here though
Nov 13 10:36:03 <woglinde> hi lcuk
Nov 13 10:36:09 <lcuk> hiya woglinde
Nov 13 10:36:13 <lcuk> hows it goin
Nov 13 10:37:30 <lcuk> RST38h, kot is awake and in #liqbase, go have a word
Nov 13 10:40:27 <lcuk> lardman, no more mega meetings this  week then?  or are you stuck in eternal hell
Nov 13 10:41:42 <vincenzo88> I want to create a shortcut off my application on the desktop to execute the application with a doubleclick. Someone have a solution to relove my problem ? Thanks
Nov 13 10:41:52 <vincenzo88> (on N810)
Nov 13 10:42:24 <woglinde> vincenzo88 you could lookinto the .desktop file of first steps
Nov 13 10:42:58 <lcuk> bbl
Nov 13 10:43:17 <johnx> vincenzo88, have you seen personal launcher?
Nov 13 10:44:03 <vincenzo88> Johnx : i have tried to create a debian package but not work, and i have not seen the personal launcher
Nov 13 10:50:54 <lardman> lcuk: nah, all meetinged out now thankfully
Nov 13 10:51:13 <lardman> lcuk: might even be able to do some coding (or non work stuff) over the w/e
Nov 13 10:51:20 <lardman> s/or/of
Nov 13 11:04:02 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 13 11:04:58 <lardman> hi Jaffa
Nov 13 11:16:03 <woglinde> hi jffa
Nov 13 11:44:17 <caio1982> isn't really allowed for a systray app to use context menus (right-click)? is there a workaround for that or not?
Nov 13 11:51:24 <mgedmin> use left-click menus?
Nov 13 11:53:56 <Stskeeps> tap and hold? :P
Nov 13 11:59:20 * johnx fights with intrepid libtool
Nov 13 11:59:49 <Stskeeps> heh
Nov 13 11:59:55 <Stskeeps> setting up own machine or?
Nov 13 12:01:00 <johnx> it's a backport, to satisfy libcanberra which is also a backport to satisfy ... I don't even remember any more
Nov 13 12:01:03 <johnx> it's for m-r
Nov 13 12:01:45 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 13 12:01:57 <Stskeeps> libcanberra a backport to satisfy?
Nov 13 12:02:03 <Stskeeps> where on earth does the enter into the picture?
Nov 13 12:03:03 <johnx> hang on, I'll remember the whole tree in a sec
Nov 13 12:09:26 <johnx> maemo-launcher -> hildon-initscripts -> osso-af-startup -> osso-af-utils -> libcanberra (new audio layer of some type) -> libltdl7-dev (only available in intrepid's libtool)
Nov 13 12:09:45 <johnx> yes, I question how I got here as well
Nov 13 12:11:27 <johnx> I guess I should just see if the one in icy will install without problems
Nov 13 12:19:35 <christefano_> does anyone have any ideas about why my N810's backlit keyboard is no longer backlit?
Nov 13 12:19:58 <christefano> according to light-meter, the light sensor is working
Nov 13 12:21:09 <Stskeeps> johnx: O_o
Nov 13 12:21:30 <johnx> Stskeeps, yeah. I thought we were really close
Nov 13 12:21:39 <Stskeeps> i guess it's cos we're on trunk
Nov 13 12:21:46 <johnx> this is just one "branch" of the dependency tree
Nov 13 12:22:05 <Stskeeps> which may have made things more difficult for us
Nov 13 12:22:44 <johnx> ah yes, but there's no point in trying to bash our way through the current setup, really
Nov 13 12:22:56 <johnx> s/setup/diablo versions/
Nov 13 12:22:58 <infobot> johnx meant: ah yes, but there's no point in trying to bash our way through the current diablo versions, really
Nov 13 12:23:00 <johnx> <- tired
Nov 13 12:23:08 <johnx> thank god for s/
Nov 13 12:23:20 <Stskeeps> yeah, - as they're outdated
Nov 13 12:23:39 <johnx> ah, well that's anticlimactic, libtool and friends from intrepid installs without conflict
Nov 13 12:23:43 <johnx> back up to canberra :)
Nov 13 12:25:20 <Stskeeps> *nod* should definately be noted on jaiku
Nov 13 12:29:07 <johnx> crap, crap, crap :/
Nov 13 12:29:29 <Stskeeps> that bad?
Nov 13 12:30:00 <Stskeeps> AF, though?
Nov 13 12:30:02 <johnx> wants a newer libasound. I wonder if it really needs the newer version or just asks for it
Nov 13 12:30:05 <Stskeeps> what does that stand for?
Nov 13 12:30:30 <johnx> in osso-af-utils ?
Nov 13 12:31:21 <Stskeeps> well, my plan was to butcher osso-af-utils to fit ubuntu, atleast
Nov 13 12:31:23 <Stskeeps> er
Nov 13 12:31:25 <Stskeeps> af-startup
Nov 13 12:31:56 <johnx> starting to look like a good plan :)
Nov 13 12:33:54 <Stskeeps> cos why should hildon desktop depend on a certain system layer?
Nov 13 12:35:29 <johnx> yeah, osso-af-utils looks like a good candidate for replacement actually
Nov 13 12:37:16 <Stskeeps> or even dependig on hildon initscripts
Nov 13 12:38:34 <Stskeeps> i think i'm going to start filing some bug reports and see if nokia appreciates it or not
Nov 13 12:46:45 <Stskeeps> johnx: "We are a small bunch of people from community trying to "reconstruct" Maemo (see proposal at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed, ), and we are attempting a sort of proof of concept of this proposal. In this PoC we take most published parts of Maemo and try to refit them onto a up-to-date Debian/Ubuntu base to see what problems arise - also to improve problems with porting to Maemo. As part of this work, we're reporting this bug to help ...
Nov 13 12:46:52 <Stskeeps> ... improve Maemo."
Nov 13 12:46:55 <Stskeeps> sounds as a good prefix to know what the pretense is for the bug?
Nov 13 12:48:07 <johnx> sounds good, might want to change "improve problems porting" to "fix problems porting"
Nov 13 12:53:16 <johnx> or better yet "reduce problems porting"
Nov 13 12:53:50 <christefano> does anyone have an idea about why my N810's keyboard lights don't work? it's possible that I installed something that did this, but nothing sketchy is listed in the application manager
Nov 13 12:54:21 <johnx> did you change the setting maybe? sorry, I don't have an n810...
Nov 13 12:55:30 <christefano> johnx: where is that setting?
Nov 13 12:56:08 <johnx> I don't even know if there is one, I'm just trying to give you an idea
Nov 13 12:56:19 <johnx> my n800 only has an onscreen keyboard :)
Nov 13 12:56:27 <christefano> johnx: as far as I can tell, there isn't a setting anywhere :(
Nov 13 12:56:34 <Stskeeps> johnx: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3858
Nov 13 12:57:07 <christefano> I had Autolock installed and removed it, but rebooting afterwards didn't clear up the problem
Nov 13 12:57:56 <johnx> Stskeeps, I think that will be a good indicator of how interested they are
Nov 13 12:58:20 <GAN800> mvo just brought up copyright assignments for translations, id anybody who provided a translation really interested in copyright assignment?
Nov 13 12:58:36 <Stskeeps> public domain
Nov 13 12:58:43 <X-Fade> GAN800: Geez, lawyers :)
Nov 13 12:58:48 <Stskeeps> and isn't there a thing about wiki about that?
Nov 13 12:59:47 <Stskeeps> ah.
Nov 13 12:59:54 <Stskeeps> maemo_wiki:Copyrights is a dead link obviously..
Nov 13 12:59:55 <Stskeeps> :p
Nov 13 13:00:15 <Stskeeps> GAN800: does that bug seem like a reasonable way to test the waters?
Nov 13 13:00:32 <GAN800> All wiki contributions are probably technically licensed under a permissive license, but I'm not sure if we ever really decicded that one definitevly.
Nov 13 13:00:57 <GAN800> Stskeeps, seems fine.
Nov 13 13:01:00 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 13 13:01:14 <Stskeeps> even if it is a kinda trivial bug it could technically have technical consequences
Nov 13 13:03:06 <christefano> are there any utilities that can control the N810's keyboard backlight?
Nov 13 13:12:53 <GAN800> Stskeeps, you might need to put the preamble in the first bug you file.
Nov 13 13:13:02 <Stskeeps> hm?
Nov 13 13:13:14 <johnx> he did :)
Nov 13 13:13:16 <Stskeeps> i did
Nov 13 13:13:16 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 13 13:13:24 <GAN800> How many bugs are you planning ob filing? I wonder if a new keyword is in order.
Nov 13 13:13:33 <Stskeeps> GAN800: so far we have a small bunch of issues
Nov 13 13:13:48 <GAN800> er, you probably _only_ want to put it on the first bug
Nov 13 13:13:55 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 13 13:14:09 <Stskeeps> well, testing the waters first, which is why i put it there
Nov 13 13:14:10 <GAN800> Don't cutnpaste it to every bug you file is what I mean. ;)
Nov 13 13:14:16 <Stskeeps> and then i'll probably use a keyword or something
Nov 13 13:15:25 <Stskeeps> to group them together as we are noticing issues/annoyances left and right
Nov 13 13:15:31 <lcuk2> stskeeps, are you planning a massive bugfiling raid?  will that get you upto level 70?
Nov 13 13:16:07 <Stskeeps> lcuk2: only if there seems to be response to the issues
Nov 13 13:16:54 <johnx> wow...I got one: the postinst for osso-af-startup runs chown user:users /etc/osso-af-init/locale
Nov 13 13:17:02 <Stskeeps> neat
Nov 13 13:17:21 <Stskeeps> that's why i think this stuff should be carefully shaped, the osso-af-startup stuff
Nov 13 13:17:44 <lcuk2> did you 2 ever sort out multiuser stuff or is this related
Nov 13 13:18:18 <johnx> we didn't really decide if we cared about multiuser, but this is just impressively anti-unix is all
Nov 13 13:18:40 <johnx> do other people care about multiuser?
Nov 13 13:18:49 <johnx> open discussion :)
Nov 13 13:18:56 <lcuk2> i agree, but i think multiuser has to be quick and dynamic if its gonna work (and it has to include a wii mii import facility)
Nov 13 13:19:28 <lcuk2> if its gonna work its gotta be really quick and simple to switch
Nov 13 13:19:28 <johnx> you get us fast enough software 3D to smoothly display a mii and I'll certainly think about it :)
Nov 13 13:20:30 <lcuk2> the 3d part is not important, its the facial modification logic and parts library
Nov 13 13:22:25 <lcuk2> johnx, as you have seen in liqbase its insanely easy for a new user to pickup the device, if a single device is shared with multiple people it needs to be simple to allow their details to be stored (whilst also allowing viewing public info from all  users)
Nov 13 13:22:39 * Stskeeps thinks device is too limited to give proper multiuser.
Nov 13 13:22:48 <lcuk2> i agree sts
Nov 13 13:23:30 <Stskeeps> hildon complexity increases highly if it has to be done properly
Nov 13 13:24:03 <lcuk2> yeah it does i agree
Nov 13 13:24:30 <johnx> you mean user switching done properly or hildon done properly?
Nov 13 13:24:56 <lcuk2> full desktop user switchinguser switching
Nov 13 13:25:00 <lcuk2> heh
Nov 13 13:25:10 <suihkulokki> getting rid of user/users isn't hard. desktop switching is just.. unimplementd.
Nov 13 13:25:32 <lcuk2> and would be extra complex
Nov 13 13:25:49 <lcuk2> my god im not finishing  my sentences
Nov 13 13:26:10 <Stskeeps> johnx: as in doing it in a fast manner, without having to restart hildon-desktop to log in as a another user..
Nov 13 13:26:23 <johnx> oh that, yeah...way out of scope
Nov 13 13:27:44 <lcuk2> bbl
Nov 13 13:27:49 <johnx> suihkulokki, good, I'm sure we'll be looking at the debian packages for clues :)
Nov 13 13:31:23 <GAN800> multiuser is largely pointless for Maemo
Nov 13 13:31:44 <GAN800> Though naming user something sane would be a good plab
Nov 13 13:31:47 <GAN800> plan
Nov 13 13:32:10 <GAN800> and reducing the multiuser-hostile behaviours to a minimum.
Nov 13 13:35:46 <johnx> going insane trying to figure out why pinning isn't working O_o
Nov 13 13:35:51 <Stskeeps> yeah.. i don't think init scripts should depend on it being a certain user, or atleast use tablet_user behaviour liek in deblet
Nov 13 13:36:24 <suihkulokki> johnx: that specific case is irrelevant for m-r (you don't have the language change applet anyway)
Nov 13 13:36:40 <RST38h> GAN800: I suggest "punter" or "hamster"
Nov 13 13:37:06 <johnx> RST38h, maybe guinea pig?
Nov 13 13:37:19 <RST38h> johnx: can't use spaces and underscores are evil
Nov 13 13:37:54 <RST38h> Of course we can be frank and call him "moron" or "idiot" which will make good disctinction between normal and superuser modes
Nov 13 13:39:30 <GAN800> Maybe add a step to the startup wizard?
Nov 13 13:39:48 <RST38h> good idea
Nov 13 13:40:00 <RST38h> an maybe add an "add more users" settings applet
Nov 13 13:40:10 <RST38h> because users do tend to have husbands, wives, and children
Nov 13 13:40:29 <GAN800> But rarely those that share a mobile device
Nov 13 13:40:41 <RST38h> you will be surprised...
Nov 13 13:40:55 <RST38h> rarely a phone but often a media player
Nov 13 13:40:56 <GAN800> Somebody else can handle the direct implementations of multiuser conveniences
Nov 13 13:40:58 <johnx> a restricted guest account might actually be nice in some cases
Nov 13 13:41:36 <GAN800> I think just removing the blockers to multiuser support is enough
Nov 13 13:41:42 <RST38h> yep
Nov 13 13:42:11 <GAN800> Just steal Apple'd user creation page from their first-boot wizard.
Nov 13 13:42:34 <GAN800> s/'d/'s/
Nov 13 13:42:35 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Just steal Apple's user creation page from their first-boot wizard.
Nov 13 13:44:05 <RST38h> and pick up their kernel and ui frameworks while you are plundering them
Nov 13 13:45:39 <GAN800> Well, I'd assume it doesn't look too different from anybody else's first-boot user configuration wizard, but it's the one I have the most experience with.
Nov 13 13:48:18 <RST38h> Simpler question:
Nov 13 13:48:28 <RST38h> does GNOME have a GTK based user management tool?
Nov 13 13:50:32 <johnx> yes, it even looks reasonable and fits under 640x440 :)
Nov 13 13:51:45 <RST38h> so just reuse the damn thing
Nov 13 13:52:15 <johnx> that's the easy part
Nov 13 13:55:03 <guysoft42> I just got my N810 :-)
Nov 13 13:55:12 * guysoft42 is charging it
Nov 13 13:55:48 <Stskeeps> woo
Nov 13 13:56:40 <guysoft42> whats the first thing to do when you get a nokia 810 then?
Nov 13 13:57:01 <Stskeeps> install rootsh
Nov 13 13:57:01 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 13 13:57:04 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=241649#post241649
Nov 13 13:57:31 <johnx> yeah, read that somewhere else
Nov 13 13:57:36 <mgedmin> guysoft42: make sure you've got the latest OS
Nov 13 13:57:38 <johnx> looks like we picked the winner :)
Nov 13 13:58:07 <Stskeeps> and yeah, flashing to latest OS
Nov 13 13:58:30 <mgedmin> which is 4.2008.36-5
Nov 13 13:58:39 <mgedmin> and then install OS updates with application installer
Nov 13 13:59:03 <mgedmin> one downside of the SSU (Single Software Update) feature is that now it's no longer sufficient to flash the latest image
Nov 13 13:59:14 <mgedmin> after that you have to install a SSU, reboot, install the second SSU, reboot
Nov 13 13:59:27 <johnx> nope, the 36-5 image is up now
Nov 13 13:59:54 <mgedmin> ahh, good
Nov 13 14:00:06 <johnx> just installed its kernel the other day :)
Nov 13 14:00:39 <johnx> haha! ok, I beat the packages around enough to install them. time to see what happens
Nov 13 14:00:50 <guysoft42> mgedmin, how do i upgrade it?
Nov 13 14:00:59 <johnx> ~flashing
Nov 13 14:01:00 <infobot> [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 13 14:01:12 <johnx> guysoft42, ^head to that page^
Nov 13 14:01:22 <johnx> there's instructions for updating from windows, linux and mac
Nov 13 14:02:13 <johnx> hmm, maemo-af-desktop-l10n-engb coming in from mojo...wonder if that's kosher
Nov 13 14:02:19 <Stskeeps> noå
Nov 13 14:02:20 <Stskeeps> nop
Nov 13 14:02:29 <Stskeeps> get it from trunk instead
Nov 13 14:02:44 <Stskeeps> incoming your packages now btw
Nov 13 14:02:46 <Stskeeps> in apt
Nov 13 14:04:06 <Stskeeps> added
Nov 13 14:06:25 <Stskeeps> johnx: atleast that probably means for n900 there'll be a stable ubuntu.. and i think it's kinda silly that now the mojo project won't be mentioned, even though i -bet- the patches there are basis of ubuntu/arm
Nov 13 14:06:29 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 13 14:07:18 <johnx> well if ubuntu targets armv7-vfp I really, really hope mojo keeps going
Nov 13 14:07:45 <johnx> otherwise I'll have busy build machines here :/
Nov 13 14:08:14 <Stskeeps> true
Nov 13 14:19:52 * Stskeeps wonders if he should report more yet or wait it out
Nov 13 14:24:47 <Meiz_n810> I had strange problem with m-r this morning
Nov 13 14:25:38 <Meiz_n810> i installed gnome, added m-r repo, installed deblet-rescue-menu, but it still did not boot up
Nov 13 14:25:59 <johnx> define "boot up"
Nov 13 14:26:11 <johnx> were you left with the white screen telling you it's booting from linuxrc?
Nov 13 14:26:33 <Meiz_n810> rescue menus text was shown at white background and linuxrc msg:s
Nov 13 14:27:04 <johnx> well, it's "booted up" I'm sure
Nov 13 14:27:11 <johnx> did you install gdm?
Nov 13 14:27:16 <Meiz_n810> yep
Nov 13 14:27:37 <johnx> and Xorg worked normally when you ran it by itself?
Nov 13 14:28:12 <Meiz_n810> it was same problem i had when i did not remember to copy fb devs from maemo
Nov 13 14:28:25 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: fb0 fb1 fb2 still :P
Nov 13 14:28:36 <Meiz_n810> i had fb devs
Nov 13 14:28:54 <Stskeeps> is it in /your/target/dev?
Nov 13 14:28:59 <Meiz_n810> i copied em from maemo
Nov 13 14:29:00 <Stskeeps> when mounting it from meaemo
Nov 13 14:29:19 <Stskeeps> well the question is if they're on the SD card or a udev thing
Nov 13 14:29:32 <Stskeeps> rescue menu happens before udev so
Nov 13 14:29:39 <Meiz_n810> ?
Nov 13 14:29:59 <Stskeeps> mount the m-r partition in maemo, ls dev o nit
Nov 13 14:30:02 <Stskeeps> on it
Nov 13 14:30:06 <Stskeeps> is fb0,fb1 etc there?
Nov 13 14:30:10 <Stskeeps> (dont use chroot)
Nov 13 14:30:17 <disco_stu> l7: any luck ?
Nov 13 14:32:08 <dneary> hey hey
Nov 13 14:32:32 <Meiz_n810> anyway, i first tried to copy fb devs from maemos /dev to /debian/dev (/debian is the dir i manually mounted /dev/mmcblk1p2) when it still did not boot, i removed fb devs, mount chroot without mounting maemos /dev to chroots /dev, deleted fb devs in chroot and then i ran /sbin/MAKEDEV in chroot to make fb devs
Nov 13 14:32:54 <Stskeeps> sounds about right
Nov 13 14:33:09 <Meiz_n810> But it still did not boot
Nov 13 14:33:36 <Meiz_n810> i tried to run nautilus in chroot, and got Segmentation Fault
Nov 13 14:33:40 <Stskeeps> when you say chroot you mean chroot /path something?
Nov 13 14:35:34 <guysoft42> johnx, thanks :)
Nov 13 14:35:48 <johnx> guysoft42, got it flashed to the latest version now?
Nov 13 14:36:25 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps, i done it many times same way, that it have worked before. Now i think it was about Segmentation Fault, every third time i install mojo, it gives me Segmentation Fault and i would say, this time it was not about missing /dev/fb*, it was about bad installation...
Nov 13 14:36:29 <guysoft42> johnx, its still charging.. and i have University homework to do in the meantime
Nov 13 14:36:33 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: awkward..
Nov 13 14:36:42 <guysoft42> johnx, where do i get the firmware file, and where do i get the flasher?
Nov 13 14:36:48 <LinuxCode> wow a student that isnt laxy
Nov 13 14:36:50 <LinuxCode> lazy
Nov 13 14:37:02 <LinuxCode> guysoft42, hold
Nov 13 14:37:02 <johnx> guysoft42, you have a linux desktop I take it?
Nov 13 14:37:17 <guysoft42> johnx, yep :)
Nov 13 14:37:25 <guysoft42> LinuxCode, hold?
Nov 13 14:37:50 <Meiz_n810> firmware images are in tablets-dev.nokia.com
Nov 13 14:37:55 <LinuxCode> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php
Nov 13 14:37:58 <johnx> guysoft42, they're listed on that page I linked under "Flashing your tablet"
Nov 13 14:38:20 <LinuxCode> you will need your wlan mac
Nov 13 14:38:23 <LinuxCode> to enter
Nov 13 14:40:02 <vincenzo88> What is the equivalent of cron (Ubuntu) in Maemo OS please ? (i need to execute a script when the N810 starts)
Nov 13 14:40:42 <LinuxCode> when it starts ?
Nov 13 14:40:50 <disco_stu> vincenzo88: if you want to execute it only when the device starts you dont need cron
Nov 13 14:40:52 <LinuxCode> or at set intervals ?
Nov 13 14:40:59 <vincenzo88> I want to start an application when the N810 turn On
Nov 13 14:41:04 <LinuxCode> rc.local
Nov 13 14:41:14 <johnx> no rc.local on the tablets
Nov 13 14:41:17 <vincenzo88> Thanks
Nov 13 14:41:19 <LinuxCode> ahh
Nov 13 14:41:25 <LinuxCode> doh
Nov 13 14:41:27 <vincenzo88> :-(
Nov 13 14:41:36 <johnx> yeah, I thought that too
Nov 13 14:41:52 <LinuxCode> maybe on purpose
Nov 13 14:41:52 <johnx> easy enough to add something like it
Nov 13 14:42:16 <johnx> nah, they just use a different init setup
Nov 13 14:42:32 <LinuxCode> ahh k
Nov 13 14:43:16 <disco_stu> just to be curious, vincenzo88 what do you want to execute ?
Nov 13 14:43:33 <vincenzo88> A Qt4 application i have developped
Nov 13 14:43:48 <disco_stu> vincenzo88: what is it for ?
Nov 13 14:44:19 <vincenzo88> The application ?
Nov 13 14:44:26 <disco_stu> yes
Nov 13 14:44:44 <vincenzo88> Displays cameras IP on screen
Nov 13 14:45:01 <disco_stu> nice
Nov 13 14:45:07 <vincenzo88> :)
Nov 13 14:45:49 <guysoft42> johnx, do i need flasher-3.0 or flasher-3.0-static? i am on a pentium M here
Nov 13 14:45:55 <woglinde> vincenzo88 I think /etc/init.d is your friend
Nov 13 14:45:57 <johnx> either one
Nov 13 14:46:01 <johnx> flasher-3.0 is fine
Nov 13 14:46:10 <vincenzo88> woglinde, i will study this thanks
Nov 13 14:46:22 <disco_stu> vincenzo88:
Nov 13 14:46:28 <disco_stu> add a line at the end of
Nov 13 14:46:40 <disco_stu> /etc/init.d/rcS
Nov 13 14:46:44 <disco_stu> and you are done
Nov 13 14:46:52 <woglinde> vincenzo88 hm yes script in /etc/init.d/
Nov 13 14:47:07 <woglinde> vincenzo88 and then a link to /etc/rcX.d
Nov 13 14:47:08 <johnx> disco_stu, is there an x server running by then?
Nov 13 14:47:21 <vincenzo88> Ok i will try this
Nov 13 14:47:36 <disco_stu> johnx: i miss that point
Nov 13 14:47:38 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 14:48:04 <disco_stu> im just waking up. you'll understand
Nov 13 14:48:06 <disco_stu> lol
Nov 13 14:48:16 <baaba> vincenzo88, make sure the read the docs regarding /etc/rcn
Nov 13 14:48:42 <woglinde> vincenzo88 link to /etc/rc5.d/ S62scriptname should do
Nov 13 14:48:45 <vincenzo88> I don't know rcn but i will learn about :p
Nov 13 14:48:57 <woglinde> s61 starts osso ui
Nov 13 14:49:01 <baaba> replace n with 1..6
Nov 13 14:49:06 <baaba> and add .d :P
Nov 13 14:49:17 <vincenzo88> Many Thanks
Nov 13 14:49:27 <woglinde> baaba it doesnt make sense in all runlevels
Nov 13 14:49:30 <baaba> there's a specific way the /etc/rcn.d/ dirs are set up, your script needs to support calling with a certain way
Nov 13 14:49:36 <johnx> actually, /etc/rc2.d/S62script
Nov 13 14:49:52 <baaba> doesn't make sense?
Nov 13 14:50:04 <johnx> vincenzo88, read some existing scripts and copy the way they're setup
Nov 13 14:50:07 <woglinde> args
Nov 13 14:50:17 <woglinde> why the hack maemo starts all in runlevel 2
Nov 13 14:50:27 <baaba> http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-booting
Nov 13 14:50:51 <woglinde> baaba normaly you dont have in all runlevel the X server
Nov 13 14:51:02 <baaba> yeah maemo's runlevels are kinda funky
Nov 13 14:51:08 <woglinde> someone at maemo didnt care about this
Nov 13 14:51:15 <woglinde> or nokia
Nov 13 14:51:16 <johnx> woglinde, debian thing
Nov 13 14:51:21 <baaba> well, debian's 2..5 are the same thing generally
Nov 13 14:51:29 <baaba> they don't distinguish between them in debian
Nov 13 14:51:33 <baaba> in some other distros they do
Nov 13 14:51:35 <woglinde> hm right
Nov 13 14:51:49 <woglinde> maemo should switch to semothing other
Nov 13 14:51:54 <woglinde> with fremantle
Nov 13 14:52:01 <woglinde> but I guess this is out of scope
Nov 13 14:52:03 <johnx> yay! and be even further from debian. woo!
Nov 13 14:52:05 <baaba> there are some differences between the 2..5 in maemo though, but i'm not entirely sure why
Nov 13 14:52:47 <woglinde> minit would be nice
Nov 13 14:52:53 <baaba> also on an unrelated note, i tried disabling bluetooth stuff by removing them from the rc2.d and then lifeguard put the device in a reboot loop :P
Nov 13 14:53:06 <baaba> can you somehow configure lifeguard?
Nov 13 14:53:08 <woglinde> in openembedded we should switch to something else too
Nov 13 14:53:15 <johnx> baaba, use the flasher to disable it
Nov 13 14:53:19 <woglinde> sysv suckz in many ways
Nov 13 14:53:30 <johnx> woglinde, what's your opinion of upstart?
Nov 13 14:53:30 <baaba> johnx, yeah you can do that, but i don't want to fully disable it
Nov 13 14:53:54 <woglinde> johny hm
Nov 13 14:53:58 <woglinde> args
Nov 13 14:54:01 <woglinde> johnx
Nov 13 14:54:10 <woglinde> have it here at the new ubuntu
Nov 13 14:54:10 <baaba> i have a pretty specialized project that uses n810s and i'd like to get rid of extra stuff i know i won't need, like bluetooth
Nov 13 14:54:12 <johnx> baaba, ok, that means that some other program started by dsmetool crashed as a result of you disabling bluetooth
Nov 13 14:54:24 <woglinde> it suckz in disabling stuff
Nov 13 14:54:31 <woglinde> conslekit namly
Nov 13 14:55:04 <baaba> is there a logfile or something?
Nov 13 14:55:25 <johnx> no logs
Nov 13 14:55:33 <baaba> ideally i'd be able to disable a bunch of app framework stuff as well but i'm not sure how that's gonna fly
Nov 13 14:55:40 <suihkulokki> johnx: see /var/lib/dsme/stats/
Nov 13 14:55:53 <johnx> suihkulokki++ :D
Nov 13 14:55:58 <suihkulokki> s/johnx/baaba
Nov 13 14:56:02 <baaba> ooh nice, thanks
Nov 13 14:57:17 <guysoft42> johnx, which buttion is the home button?
Nov 13 14:57:29 <disco_stu> app switcher
Nov 13 14:57:37 <johnx> guysoft42, on an N810 it's the one with two squares
Nov 13 14:58:34 <guysoft42> johnx, ah wait, whats the swap button?
Nov 13 14:58:51 <johnx> guysoft42, it has two squares
Nov 13 14:59:17 <johnx> swap = home = app switcher = (n800 house) = (n810 squares)
Nov 13 14:59:43 <guysoft42> johnx, on the top?
Nov 13 15:00:03 <johnx> maybe? I don't have an n810 to look at :)
Nov 13 15:00:18 <guysoft42> johnx, got it :)
Nov 13 15:00:43 <guysoft42> johnx, thanks
Nov 13 15:00:48 <johnx> sure :)
Nov 13 15:01:06 <johnx> you get to answer the next person who asks :P
Nov 13 15:12:56 <guysoft42> johnx, how do i get the video working on skype?
Nov 13 15:13:10 <johnx> there is no video calling in skype on the tablets
Nov 13 15:13:22 <johnx> in fact there's no video calling in skype on linux :)
Nov 13 15:14:34 <Meiz_n810> Gizmo supports video calling :)
Nov 13 15:21:01 <guysoft42> johnx, really? i thaught there was. so what i can use the camera for?
Nov 13 15:21:20 <Myrtti> [17:13] < johnx> in fact there's no video calling in skype on linux :)
Nov 13 15:21:21 <Myrtti> huh
Nov 13 15:21:28 <Myrtti> well I must have been dreaming then
Nov 13 15:21:37 <johnx> Myrtti, ah, did they add it?
Nov 13 15:21:48 <Myrtti> I swear I talked to my boyfriend last night with webcams
Nov 13 15:21:58 * johnx hasn't used skype on the desktop in a *long* time
Nov 13 15:22:21 <johnx> guysoft42, google talk between tablets, gpscamera, gizmo calls, videocamera, motion detection
Nov 13 15:22:31 <Myrtti> johnx: it's about the only crossplatform voip app that works with webcams
Nov 13 15:22:56 <guysoft42> johnx, how come? after all skype on linux has camera support
Nov 13 15:23:08 <Myrtti> and with this I mean Linux x86/x86_64, Windows, Mac OS X
Nov 13 15:23:15 <johnx> well hey, I was wrong about desktops :)
Nov 13 15:23:32 <johnx> but the tablet is probably a lack of processing power (or laziness on skype's part)
Nov 13 15:24:18 <johnx> yeah, last time I used it on a desktop was probably more than a year ago, which would explain a lot...
Nov 13 15:26:10 <Myrtti> we've tried empathy/telepathy/ekiga god knows what
Nov 13 15:26:30 <Myrtti> and what remains is that skype unfortunately has the best success rate
Nov 13 15:26:42 <johnx> yeah, I gave up on video a long time ago, but I use skype audio chat on my tablet all the time
Nov 13 15:29:15 <guysoft42> johnx, is there any application you would recommend  me to download? is there a software repository i should add?
Nov 13 15:29:34 <johnx> you should go to http://downloads.maemo.org/
Nov 13 15:29:38 <johnx> lots of great stuff
Nov 13 15:30:04 <johnx> I recommend canola for music, omweather, quicknote and personal menu
Nov 13 15:30:32 <guysoft42> yay. apt-get moo works :)
Nov 13 15:31:17 <qwerty12> guysoft42, cowsay ftw :P
Nov 13 15:31:33 <guysoft42> um, whats the superuser pass?
Nov 13 15:31:42 <johnx> it's locked
Nov 13 15:31:42 <qwerty12> ~root-access
Nov 13 15:31:43 <infobot> root-access is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access
Nov 13 15:31:44 <johnx> ~rootsh
Nov 13 15:31:46 <infobot> i guess rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Nov 13 15:32:03 * johnx tips his hat to qwerty12 of the fast typing
Nov 13 15:32:13 <guysoft42> infobot, no root? :( .. but i am the owner..
Nov 13 15:32:37 <qwerty12> johnx, You'd have beat me if you didn't say it was locked :)
Nov 13 15:33:08 <guysoft42> how do i get that?
Nov 13 15:33:33 <johnx> you click on one of the links
Nov 13 15:33:36 <johnx> pick one :)
Nov 13 15:33:54 <qwerty12> psst, rootsh (I give it my personal seal of approval ;P)
Nov 13 15:34:32 <johnx> psst, if you don't pick rootsh qwerty12 will cry. :D
Nov 13 15:34:39 <qwerty12> :D
Nov 13 15:34:56 <qwerty12> I like the rootsh & sudser combo
Nov 13 15:36:15 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I've hildonised roxterm btw. I'll move it from extras-devel into extras later.
Nov 13 15:37:36 <woglinde> qwerty whats the feature of roxterm?
Nov 13 15:39:20 <qwerty12> woglinde, nothing really. osso-xterm is vastly superior on the tablets, but osso-xterm messes up with the deblet installer etc. Plus with roxterm, hardware presses actually get sent to the application (e.g pressing minus button in osso-xterm zooms out, pressing minus button in roxterm which has htop open reduces nice value of a process)
Nov 13 15:49:37 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: geat :)
Nov 13 15:49:38 <Stskeeps> great
Nov 13 15:50:58 <qwerty12> Just need to fix some bugs :)
Nov 13 15:57:55 <perseus__> Does maemo not mount partition according to the fstab? The reason I ask is that in my /etc/fstab file it says to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 to /media/mmc1 but that device gets mountd to /media/mmc2
Nov 13 15:58:12 <perseus__> I have a n810 and therefore the mmcblk0p1 is the internal partition 1
Nov 13 15:58:32 <johnx> correct. maemo doesn't mount according to fstab
Nov 13 15:58:42 <perseus__> johnx - what does it mount according to
Nov 13 15:58:53 <johnx> some scripts stashed somewhere
Nov 13 15:59:09 <qwerty12> dpkg -L ke-recv
Nov 13 15:59:21 <johnx> qwerty12++
Nov 13 15:59:23 <disco_stu> ~extrad-devel
Nov 13 15:59:26 <disco_stu> ~extras-devel
Nov 13 15:59:28 <infobot> [extras-devel] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel
Nov 13 16:01:26 <qwerty12> Grr, nautilus really needs to not crash when you open a tab and that results in a error
Nov 13 16:02:52 <ron1n> I really wish the tablets came with xrandr
Nov 13 16:03:30 <qwerty12> It's planned in Fremantle : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3519
Nov 13 16:03:41 <ron1n> you think they're useful when you get debian on them, and then when you use xrandr its a whole different story
Nov 13 16:04:11 <Stskeeps> ron1n: there's rotation kernels and patches, though
Nov 13 16:04:32 <ron1n> Stskeeps, I know, I'm using it now on my friends n800 =]
Nov 13 16:04:57 <ron1n> I just didn't even think about it until I came across it on the interweb
Nov 13 16:05:20 <ron1n> now that I've tried it, it makes things like menus so much more useful =]
Nov 13 16:07:15 * Stskeeps has been fiddling with a n95 the latest days
Nov 13 16:07:19 <Stskeeps> absolutely hated the interface
Nov 13 16:07:35 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, really? I quite happen to like S60
Nov 13 16:08:00 <qwerty12> johnx, if you really want boxfs, I guess I can be persuaded to run dh_make :P
Nov 13 16:08:18 <johnx> honestly, I probably wouldn't use it
Nov 13 16:08:27 <johnx> I compiled it once and never touched it
Nov 13 16:08:33 <ron1n> I have one =D
Nov 13 16:08:35 <qwerty12> Same, I don't have a box :P.
Nov 13 16:08:37 <ron1n> N95 8GB
Nov 13 16:09:07 <johnx> without a 3G connection I don't really grab big files while away from home
Nov 13 16:09:41 <ron1n> one word,  buggy. Very buggy. After a couple of firmware flashes its pretty stable, but before that it was pretty unstable.
Nov 13 16:09:58 <ron1n> I was an early adopter, so I don't have 3G in the states
Nov 13 16:10:06 <ron1n> but if I ever make a eurotrip I will =P
Nov 13 16:10:22 * qwerty12 remembers the film and grins
Nov 13 16:10:41 <ron1n> not an issue though, a is stands now 3G coverage is crap where I live
Nov 13 16:10:50 <ron1n> much less when I bought it back in Feb
Nov 13 16:10:58 <johnx> ah well, my *phone* has 3G, but it doesn't like to talk to my devices :/
Nov 13 16:11:10 <johnx> and I don't want it it to since my data plan is not unlimited
Nov 13 16:11:35 <ron1n> I have an unlimited data plan with AT&T, the rates where quite resonable
Nov 13 16:17:08 * Stskeeps ponders what decent data plans are in these days
Nov 13 16:17:46 <qwerty12> Heh, last time I talked to my friend in CPH, he said prepay is expensive :P
Nov 13 16:18:34 <vincenzo88> Goodbye everybody ;=)
Nov 13 16:22:09 <Stskeeps> i just kinda wonder cos my provider has like mobile broadband, for decent prices, which is data-only.. but it is not possible to link this to a phone, heh
Nov 13 16:22:18 <Stskeeps> and the one able to do that,has insaneprices
Nov 13 16:40:55 <jagernot> my synth with menus and settings is ready
Nov 13 16:40:59 <jagernot> somebody try pls?
Nov 13 16:41:09 <jagernot> http://www.poojyum.com/boxar
Nov 13 16:41:15 <jagernot> screenshot: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/boxar.png
Nov 13 16:41:23 <jagernot> features in this version: can select two scales pentatonic and blues from a menu; change BPM by using - and + buttons and select a strumming pattern by pressing the esc key (bottom left on the touch screen)
Nov 13 16:41:40 <jagernot> quit by pressing home key and kill app from list.
Nov 13 16:43:02 <johnx> oooh you fixed the distorion bug
Nov 13 16:43:30 <jagernot> mostly fixed unless you decided to went haywire
Nov 13 16:43:36 <jagernot> go*
Nov 13 16:45:34 <woglinde> this will be become a nasty work
Nov 13 16:46:02 <woglinde> merging xkbdir  from old fedora core 5 and diablo
Nov 13 16:46:16 <woglinde> but do not see another way
Nov 13 16:46:51 <johnx> woglinde, and why are you doing that?
Nov 13 16:47:22 <woglinde> johnx for nx stuff
Nov 13 16:47:28 <johnx> aaah
Nov 13 16:47:35 <johnx> yeah, I never had good luck with it
Nov 13 16:47:47 <woglinde> loading nokia.xkm file segfaults the nxagent
Nov 13 16:47:48 <johnx> I always started playing and never had it work
Nov 13 16:47:54 <woglinde> hm mom
Nov 13 16:47:59 <woglinde> I got an idea
Nov 13 16:48:24 <woglinde> if I remeber correct I can set xkbdir path on the commandline
Nov 13 16:48:34 <woglinde> let me check this
Nov 13 16:48:41 <woglinde> that could be a sort of rescue
Nov 13 16:50:26 <perseus__> Trying to use fanoush bootmenu to boot mamona off of the internal SD card. I setup my bootmenu.conf to boot from mmcblk0p1 but when I select that option from the menu it says boot failed. Is there anyway to diagnose why it failed? on the root / of mmcblk0p1 is there a certain file that it is looking for?
Nov 13 16:50:51 <johnx> /sbin/init I would imagine
Nov 13 16:51:16 <perseus__> johnx - ok..so there is not other way to determine why it says failed?
Nov 13 16:51:48 <johnx> you could use the usb telnet built into bootmenu and step through the process manually
Nov 13 16:52:45 <perseus__> johnx - ok..didn't know that existed. So I just telnet into the tablet while the bootmenu is up?
Nov 13 16:53:04 <johnx> read the instructions displayed on the screen. :)
Nov 13 16:53:08 <perseus__> k
Nov 13 16:53:16 <johnx> hit menu (? I think)
Nov 13 16:53:31 <johnx> then plug the tablet into your computer via usb
Nov 13 17:24:41 <Khertan_n810> Hello !
Nov 13 17:25:50 <johnx> hi
Nov 13 17:26:05 <Khertan_n810> i ve uploaded to extras repository pychecker :)
Nov 13 17:26:36 <johnx> sorry, what is pychecker?
Nov 13 17:26:52 <Khertan_n810> pychecker.sourceforge.net
Nov 13 17:27:07 <qwerty12> Nice, thanks! :)
Nov 13 17:27:15 <Khertan_n810> a tool to check some common mistake in python code
Nov 13 17:27:40 <Khertan_n810> i m testing the package to see if all is ok
Nov 13 17:28:09 <Khertan_n810> hum ... not extras but extras-devel
Nov 13 17:28:31 <qwerty12> It can always be moved :P
Nov 13 17:28:53 <Khertan_n810> yep but need test before
Nov 13 17:28:54 <Khertan_n810> :)
Nov 13 17:29:01 <qwerty12> :)
Nov 13 17:29:33 <qwerty12> Need to finish off little bits and I'll upload hildonised roxterm soon (yes, I know I said this an hour ago :P)
Nov 13 17:29:48 <Khertan_n810> lol
Nov 13 17:30:06 <Khertan_n810> what is the interested thing in roxterm ?
Nov 13 17:30:10 <Khertan_n810> i don t know it
Nov 13 17:30:22 <Stskeeps> it's slightly less crap than osso-xterm
Nov 13 17:30:26 <qwerty12> <qwerty12> nothing really. osso-xterm is vastly superior on the tablets, but osso-xterm messes up with the deblet installer etc. Plus with roxterm, hardware presses actually get sent to the application (e.g pressing minus button in osso-xterm zooms out, pressing minus button in roxterm which has htop open reduces nice value of a process)
Nov 13 17:30:55 <disco_stu> i used roxterm
Nov 13 17:31:04 <disco_stu> only think i liked where tabs
Nov 13 17:31:36 <qwerty12> yeah, Stskeeps installs it with deblet. The only reason I put it initially in extras-devel was for that purpose
Nov 13 17:32:14 <johnx> Stskeeps, note about hildon-desktop in m-r: it doesn't contain /usr/bin/hildon-desktop
Nov 13 17:36:09 <johnx> anyways, time for me to sleep
Nov 13 17:36:11 <johnx> 'night all
Nov 13 17:36:34 <qwerty12> night johnx
Nov 13 17:37:53 <Stskeeps> johnx: that's funny
Nov 13 17:38:12 <Stskeeps> i'll look into that
Nov 13 17:38:34 <johnx> ok, I'll leave it to rebuild overnight here and see if I see anything interesting in the output
Nov 13 17:40:59 <Meizirkki> Where goes the line between mojo and maemo-reconstructed?
Nov 13 17:41:37 <Meizirkki> If i am using mojo project with m-r:s boot packages can i say i am using maemo-reconstructed?
Nov 13 17:45:28 <Stskeeps> hehe.. good question
Nov 13 17:45:37 <Stskeeps> right now it's just a proof of concept so nothing
Nov 13 17:45:41 <Stskeeps> 's sure
Nov 13 17:46:19 <Meizirkki> Maemo Reconstructed still sounds a lot cooler :)
Nov 13 17:47:52 * Meizirkki is trying to play with hasty-armv6el in qemu
Nov 13 17:49:03 <Meizirkki> Mojo guys have released their images for armv6el
Nov 13 17:50:53 <disco_stu> johnx: do you have a clue on where lies the wifi antenna on the n800 ?
Nov 13 17:51:43 <Meiz_n810> top border i would guess
Nov 13 17:52:02 <disco_stu> i can guess too, but need precise location
Nov 13 17:56:58 <qwerty12> disco_stu, This precise enough: http://i33.tinypic.com/2d0mbfb.png ;)
Nov 13 17:57:25 <disco_stu> :) thats the reason i asked you
Nov 13 17:57:26 <disco_stu> thanks
Nov 13 17:57:43 <qwerty12> :)
Nov 13 18:01:47 <guysoft42> er - what to do if the device gets stuck>
Nov 13 18:02:07 <Meizirkki> stuck how?
Nov 13 18:05:49 <hahlobit> must say that sshd is useful, can log in to stucked diablo and close bad apps
Nov 13 18:08:35 <hahlobit> before had to remove battery
Nov 13 18:12:11 <xorAxAx> does anyone know whether/why not mojo(.handhelds.org) uses scratchbox like maemo?
Nov 13 18:12:44 <xorAxAx> they say that they are not cross compiling but using a native (probably) debian env on qemu
Nov 13 18:13:51 <GAN800> They use real ARM hardware
Nov 13 18:14:04 <Proteous> my n810 is stuck
Nov 13 18:14:45 <Proteous> I think it's a combo of peanutbutter and bubblegum
Nov 13 18:15:15 <AngieQ> mine has gotten stuck before but i just held the power button to shutdown
Nov 13 18:15:29 <AngieQ> then rebooted
Nov 13 18:16:08 <hahlobit> how long  you have press the button?
Nov 13 18:16:37 <Proteous> how long you got?
Nov 13 18:18:11 <hahlobit> 4sek didn't help
Nov 13 18:18:11 <hahlobit> but removing battery helps
Nov 13 18:19:18 <disco_stu> hahlobit: could you ssh into it ?
Nov 13 18:19:30 <hahlobit> yes
Nov 13 18:19:36 <disco_stu> well
Nov 13 18:19:38 <disco_stu> init 6
Nov 13 18:19:46 <disco_stu> is better than removin the battery
Nov 13 18:20:45 <hahlobit> thats why i said sshd is useful, didn't have to even reboot just close browser
Nov 13 18:21:12 <disco_stu> alright
Nov 13 18:27:02 <brphelps> Why is there only a 32-bit maemo SDK, is there binary only blobs?
Nov 13 18:33:23 <akshay> hello everyone, this is my first time here and I have a battery management question for the maemo platform
Nov 13 18:33:52 <disco_stu> akshay: shoot the boys will answer ya
Nov 13 18:33:56 <akshay> I have searched and searched but I don't know any function calls that will allow me to query battery life remaining or say battery voltage usage
Nov 13 18:34:11 <GeneralAntilles> akshay, adv-power?
Nov 13 18:34:24 <akshay> is that a package
Nov 13 18:34:27 <qwerty12> akshay, re battery life remaining, that can be obtained from dbus
Nov 13 18:34:31 <qwerty12> s/from/via
Nov 13 18:34:58 <akshay> Antilles, what about voltage monitoring.
Nov 13 18:35:25 <brphelps> Hi all, is there only a 32-bit maemo SDK?
Nov 13 18:35:28 <akshay> I have never used dbus before is there a direct call available?
Nov 13 18:35:36 <disco_stu> akshay: http://nitapps.com/
Nov 13 18:35:39 <RST38h> General: Can we please changed Educational to Education?
Nov 13 18:36:11 <RST38h> General: KotCzarny noticed it today - it is the only adjective among nouns on the category list
Nov 13 18:36:14 <madhav> did anyone get strace on arm running..?
Nov 13 18:36:39 <qwerty12> madhav, it's in the sdk repo.
Nov 13 18:37:36 <madhav> ok
Nov 13 18:38:34 <akshay> disco: say nitapps already, even viewed the python code
Nov 13 18:38:59 <akshay> I guess I was more interested in finding battery energy usage
Nov 13 18:39:07 <akshay> I have no leads yet on how to do that
Nov 13 18:39:36 <akshay> disco: seen not say, sorry about that
Nov 13 18:40:18 <qwerty12> akshay, if this does what you want (run it as root) : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/kcbatt , then look at : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/kcbatt.c
Nov 13 18:40:47 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, I thought it was Education.
Nov 13 18:40:48 * lcuk2 karate chops qwerty12's new power adapter
Nov 13 18:40:51 <GeneralAntilles> It was last time I checked, anyway.
Nov 13 18:41:08 <qwerty12> lcuk2, lol :P. This one works brilliant, ac-5x ftw :P
Nov 13 18:41:44 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, hrm, yeah, I completely missed that.
Nov 13 18:41:45 <lcuk2> lol, you need to get nokia to supply you one with a soldered on chainlink charger
Nov 13 18:42:42 <qwerty12> heh
Nov 13 18:42:48 <RST38h> General: I almost fixed it this morning but then saw that some translations also have it this way
Nov 13 18:43:36 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, I changed it.
Nov 13 18:43:44 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody will need to review the translations. . . .
Nov 13 18:46:50 <akshay> qwerty: thanks, I am looking into it
Nov 13 18:47:22 <Stskeeps> akshay: lshal
Nov 13 18:47:48 <brphelps> I'd really like to install the SDK on a 64 bit machine without a VM, is that possible
Nov 13 18:47:53 <brphelps> ?
Nov 13 18:51:26 <akshay> stskeeps: thanks, this is great! It shows the battery voltage as well. Should I be looking at the hal database api to get these values?
Nov 13 18:54:22 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, chinook hildonised roxterm in extras-devel. Waiting for diablo one to be built... (I also took the liberty of updating roxterm to 1.13)
Nov 13 19:24:22 <RST38h> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/13/darpa_aware_ware_srs_go/
Nov 13 19:26:29 <LinuxCode> now lets attach nuclear weapons to that thing and death will be more swift
Nov 13 19:26:51 <LinuxCode> there has to be some sort of population control
Nov 13 19:27:04 <LinuxCode> lol
Nov 13 19:27:07 <RST38h> no
Nov 13 19:27:41 <RST38h> Attaching nuclear weapons will prevent hunting humans with lasers in urban theater unrealistic
Nov 13 19:28:23 <RST38h> The Really Good Solution will actually hunt humans for energy and spare parts
Nov 13 19:28:32 <LinuxCode> haha
Nov 13 19:28:38 <LinuxCode> god you hate people dont you ?
Nov 13 19:29:11 <RST38h> Not really, why?
Nov 13 19:29:15 * RST38h just likes a good show
Nov 13 19:29:38 <LinuxCode> RST38h, haha
Nov 13 19:29:43 <LinuxCode> "show"
Nov 13 19:29:53 <LinuxCode> De you filthy humans! Die!
Nov 13 19:29:56 <LinuxCode> Die
Nov 13 19:31:45 <RST38h> There is a joke about a little girl playing in a sandbox, tearing the head off the teddy bear
Nov 13 19:32:11 <RST38h> A passerby asks: What are you doing, girl? Don't you like animals?
Nov 13 19:32:51 <RST38h> And the girl answers: Well, I don't even like the humans...
Nov 13 19:33:19 <disco_stu> RST38h: is not funny
Nov 13 19:33:32 * deejoe blinks
Nov 13 19:34:49 <disco_stu> anyone used Tor in the nit ?
Nov 13 19:40:49 <brphelps> Is alsa available for the n770?
Nov 13 19:42:46 <disco_stu> brphelps: dunno
Nov 13 19:43:25 <brphelps> I have an app I'd like to port that uses alsa and fftw, is there a libfftw port?
Nov 13 19:45:17 <brphelps> Has anyone here written code for the DSP core in the OMAP?
Nov 13 19:45:34 <lcuk2> im sure some people have
Nov 13 19:55:25 <GeneralAntilles> Like, say, lardman|gone.
Nov 13 19:56:25 <lcuk2> yeah, but since hes |gone it wasnt fulfilling his query
Nov 13 19:56:34 <GeneralAntilles> It may at a later date, though.
Nov 13 19:57:00 <lcuk2> ahhh, if we are answering like that, lets put qwerty forward then, hes gonna get his fingers in that pie one day
Nov 13 19:57:05 <lcuk2> ;)
Nov 13 19:57:45 <lcuk2> i was gonna mention lardman anyway, but brphelps seems to have run away
Nov 13 19:58:15 <GeneralAntilles> Damn, left my Firewire 800 cable down south. . . .
Nov 13 20:00:12 <brphelps> lcuck2: I'm here
Nov 13 20:02:03 <lcuk2> what do you want the dsp for (im just nosey, i dont know anything about it myself)
Nov 13 20:03:05 <lcuk2> actually, nm im goin
Nov 13 20:03:06 <lcuk2> bbl
Nov 13 20:04:06 <brphelps> need fft of audio data for analysis
Nov 13 20:16:22 <brphelps> When I try to install maemo sdk I get E: Add user with '/home/brphelps/sb2/sbin/sbox_adduser brphelps'
Nov 13 20:16:33 <brphelps> but I can't find /sbox_adduser brphelps
Nov 13 20:16:37 <brphelps> but I can't find /sbox_adduser
Nov 13 20:54:41 <Meiz_n810> hmm, strange problem with xorg
Nov 13 20:55:03 <Stskeeps> mm?
Nov 13 20:55:17 <Meiz_n810> n810 hw keyboard does not work
Nov 13 20:55:20 <Meiz_n810> at all
Nov 13 20:55:22 <Meiz_n810> i have gnome installed
Nov 13 20:55:44 <Meiz_n810> not even the enter key
Nov 13 20:58:09 <Stskeeps> probably something to deal with HAL or alikes.. note it as a bug i guess
Nov 13 20:58:26 <Meiz_n810> it worked before..
Nov 13 20:58:39 <Meiz_n810> at least enter key
Nov 13 21:00:22 <Meiz_n810> when i start xorg, first comes up a little screen that contains all that text i have tried to type... Then the xorg comes up and keyboard stops woring
Nov 13 21:00:27 <Meiz_n810> *working
Nov 13 21:01:26 <Meiz_n810> i should start all over again... i don't like gnome... too heavy
Nov 13 21:01:59 <Meiz_n810> are there lxde packages for mojo somewhere?
Nov 13 21:06:15 <Stskeeps> possibly
Nov 13 22:01:39 <ds3> After 4 weeks of usage, Diablo on the N800 is crap. The problems outweigh the fixes over chinook :(
Nov 13 22:02:19 <GeneralAntilles> Bull
Nov 13 22:02:36 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds more like your install is broken.
Nov 13 22:04:23 <ds3> There are too many things scattered all over - bluetooth keyboard stopped working; Modest is loosing mail (same POP account is viewed elsewhere and it is in the pop account), I can name more
Nov 13 22:05:11 <ds3> looks like it is not just me on the BT keyboard - there is a thread on it on ITT
Nov 13 22:05:21 <GeneralAntilles> Mine works fine
Nov 13 22:05:25 <GeneralAntilles> Did you restore a backup?
Nov 13 22:05:28 <ds3> nope
Nov 13 22:05:44 <ds3> flash the image and installed the updates online
Nov 13 22:05:51 <Myrtti> meh, I'm just getting frustrated with people complainin about their problems with chinook and diablo, while I still have 770 with OS2007HE2
Nov 13 22:05:55 <Myrtti> :-/
Nov 13 22:06:30 <LinuxCode> Myrtti, let the complain a bit longer then buy a n900
Nov 13 22:06:37 <LinuxCode> them*
Nov 13 22:07:20 <Myrtti> LinuxCode: nah, if it has hardware keyboard it's pretty useless to me
Nov 13 22:07:37 <Myrtti> I've been lurking behind my friends back if he would sell me his old n800
Nov 13 22:07:39 * Stskeeps should really follow a bit up on the 770 deblet, just haven't found the time..
Nov 13 22:07:39 <Myrtti> then I'd be happy
Nov 13 22:07:40 <LinuxCode> Myrtti, then you wont be buying any new Nxxx device
Nov 13 22:07:51 <Myrtti> LinuxCode: nope
Nov 13 22:07:57 <Myrtti> LinuxCode: perfectly aware of that
Nov 13 22:08:12 <LinuxCode> in fact..I think there wont be any device without a hardware keybaord soon
Nov 13 22:08:16 <LinuxCode> not just nokia
Nov 13 22:08:28 <ds3> it is very frustrating with all these regressions in diablo
Nov 13 22:08:35 * Stskeeps would like a hw keyboard, but not like n810's
Nov 13 22:08:37 <LinuxCode> stuff is getting so small.... they need new ways to make up the space
Nov 13 22:08:45 <Stskeeps> slide out touchscreen however..
Nov 13 22:08:49 <LinuxCode> Stskeeps, why not ?
Nov 13 22:08:56 <LinuxCode> I find it very usable
Nov 13 22:09:07 <Stskeeps> too much use will hurt my wrists insanely
Nov 13 22:09:33 <LinuxCode> hmmm
Nov 13 22:10:28 <Stskeeps> i wouldn't mind something like the thumb/finger keyboard popping up on a slide out touchscreen, so you can adjust layouts, do tricks with two displays, etc
Nov 13 22:11:07 <Myrtti> the hardware keyboard Finnish layout isn't as faithful to the original as I'd like it to be, and I'm also multilingual and lend my apparatus to my foreign friends - hardware keyboard is something that adds up to the price in comparison to n800 with less functionality - easier to break when dropping or getting guinea pig hair, wool lint or crisp bread crackers in between :-P
Nov 13 22:11:29 <Myrtti> I'm an awful person, I know.
Nov 13 22:11:50 <Stskeeps> you lend your 770 to your guinea pig?
Nov 13 22:11:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 13 22:12:58 <Myrtti> no, but I do use my 770 when holding them...
Nov 13 22:13:01 <Myrtti> :-P
Nov 13 22:13:29 <Myrtti> though I did consider for a while that if I'd get n800, I'd lend it to them to use as a cavycam
Nov 13 22:13:32 <Myrtti> :-D
Nov 13 22:13:51 <Myrtti> then the whole family would be networked :-P
Nov 13 22:15:41 <ds3> anyone know if the Linux flasher will do the right thing if I give it a chinook fiasco image to flash a device that has diablo on it?
Nov 13 22:16:30 <qwerty12_N800> yes. even windows flasher lets you downgrade
Nov 13 22:17:48 * GeneralAntilles can't imagine why anybody would want to.
Nov 13 22:19:20 * Stskeeps has learnt to accept diablo, but is using claws instead of modest now, and think things are going in the right direction
Nov 13 22:19:50 <GeneralAntilles> Compared to Chinook?
Nov 13 22:19:52 <GeneralAntilles> I just don't get it.
Nov 13 22:19:56 <GeneralAntilles> Chinook was slow and shitty
Nov 13 22:21:47 <Stskeeps> i wouldn't go back to chinook though as all the progress happens in diablo, and extras being sane is a good thing
Nov 13 22:23:16 <GeneralAntilles> Why would you go back to Chinook?
Nov 13 22:23:24 <GeneralAntilles> Diablo is better than Chinook for me in every way possible.
Nov 13 22:23:30 <guysoft42> is there a way to get xchat on N810?
Nov 13 22:23:41 <GeneralAntilles> guysoft42, install it from Extras-devel.
Nov 13 22:24:03 <guysoft42> GeneralAntilles, is there a simple way to add repos?
Nov 13 22:24:17 <GAN800> ~extras
Nov 13 22:24:18 <infobot> from memory, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Nov 13 22:24:19 <Stskeeps> you only really need two, extras and optionally extras-devel
Nov 13 22:24:32 <GAN800> with the .install there
Nov 13 22:24:40 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: did roxterm get added+
Nov 13 22:24:41 <Stskeeps> ?
Nov 13 22:25:27 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, it's in extras-devel yet. i decided to leave it until it's been tested properly.
Nov 13 22:26:29 <qwerty12_N800> guysoft42, open http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/install/xchat.install with the browser on the tablet
Nov 13 22:26:55 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: k, removing from deblet repo then
Nov 13 22:27:51 <Stskeeps> eh, seems like i've already removed it
Nov 13 22:27:55 <qwerty12_N800> it's working fine for me so i'll promote it in a couple of days
Nov 13 22:28:12 <Stskeeps> this a hildonization of an earlier extras devel version?
Nov 13 22:28:21 <qwerty12_N800> yep
Nov 13 22:28:23 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 13 22:28:33 <ds3> cuz Diablo is buggy for my usage
Nov 13 22:28:48 <qwerty12_N800> i've learnt the basics after fucking around with transmission
Nov 13 22:29:01 <Stskeeps> then zenity is last on my list that isn't bootmenu or deblet installer
Nov 13 22:29:06 <ds3> it cost me about 6 hours of debugging to figure out how diablo broke basic static IP address networking and to assemble a workaround
Nov 13 22:29:29 <ds3> then there is the odd behavior of modest loosing mail; and now bluetooth keyboard doesn't work
Nov 13 22:30:23 <ds3> while it is true the microb in diablo is a lot better, web browsing is only part of the tablet functionality I need
Nov 13 22:32:09 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, hrm Bundyo says zenity is a straight compile, i could package that when i get the time?
Nov 13 22:32:17 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, thanks :)
Nov 13 22:32:27 <qwerty12_N800> np :)
Nov 13 22:32:33 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: alright
Nov 13 22:32:34 <guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, i seem to have a long way to go..
Nov 13 22:33:09 <Stskeeps> by the time you've fiddled enough around with the tablet, you're addicted, and it's too late
Nov 13 22:33:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 13 22:34:00 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Nov 13 22:34:37 * Stskeeps bought his after lurking in here for a while, playing around with it at work, and seeing it on a conference
Nov 13 22:34:52 <Stskeeps> .. and dragging around a heavy laptop for 5 days in hong kong
Nov 13 22:35:46 * qwerty12_N800 bought it after seeing kismet & kde running on it. i used kde once & kismet takes a long while :p
Nov 13 22:36:06 * Guysoft422 is now on his n810
Nov 13 22:38:15 <ds3> under chinook, I had things working well enough that it was doing 85-90% of what i needed a laptop for; only thing it couldn't do was serve as a mobile cross compile platform (lack CPU power)
Nov 13 22:38:35 <ds3> now under diablo, that things barely useful...ARRG :(
Nov 13 22:40:38 <Stskeeps> ds3: then how do your tablet wish-OS look like? from system level
Nov 13 22:41:14 <ds3> Stskeeps: system level? as in kernel features or higher up?
Nov 13 22:41:17 <GAN800> Speak English much good? :p
Nov 13 22:41:48 <Navi> GAN800: no i not very good at english
Nov 13 22:42:05 <Navi> pleas don't make fun me :(
Nov 13 22:42:28 <GAN800> Hey! Listen!
Nov 13 22:42:29 <Stskeeps> ds3: well, anything you'd like to see improvement in, i guess
Nov 13 22:42:34 <Guysoft422> is there a way to install fonts for other languages on maemo?
Nov 13 22:42:42 <Navi> GAN800: I refuse to listen, and I choose to hey.
Nov 13 22:43:14 <qwerty12_N800> Guysoft422, It is possible, what language?
Nov 13 22:44:33 <ds3> Stskeeps: well, things actually work; a ligher weight browser (or one that gives me more knobs to turn off javascript/flash features); a more configurable network manager; ability to export WiFi back overbluetooth; native A2DP support; proper Vorbis support
Nov 13 22:45:13 <ds3> and consistantly larger screen controls so a stylus isn't needed. Graffiti input would be a plus
Nov 13 22:45:20 <Guysoft422> qwert
Nov 13 22:45:42 <Stskeeps> ds3: wifi back over bluetooth isn't impossible though. that'd be NAT at most and PAN
Nov 13 22:46:02 <Guysoft422> qwerty12_N800, hebrew
Nov 13 22:46:11 <Stskeeps> configurable network manager we can probably agree on, but have you been fighting with NetworkManager recently? :P
Nov 13 22:46:21 <Guysoft422> btw, is there a way to do tab here?
Nov 13 22:46:23 <Stskeeps> lightweight.. Tear, or Midori
Nov 13 22:46:41 <ds3> actually, the networkmanager stuff is the FIRST thing I fought with on diablo
Nov 13 22:46:48 <GAN800> hebrew is in Extras
Nov 13 22:47:05 <Stskeeps> when i saw NetworkManager i mean the one from normal linux. ICD = nokia's
Nov 13 22:47:12 <ds3> my wifi setup is a 10.x.x.x/24 using static addresses and that does not work under the current stuff; it ignores the netmask
Nov 13 22:47:18 <qwerty12_N800> Guysoft422, Well, there is a package in extras called... wait for it... hebrew :p
Nov 13 22:47:21 <ds3> oops, I meant fighting with ICD then
Nov 13 22:48:29 <Stskeeps> ds3: you have any interest in the system architecture then? if we look below ui surface though
Nov 13 22:48:30 <Guysoft422> what about the tab?
Nov 13 22:48:41 <Stskeeps> Guysoft422: you mean nick completion or tabs? :P
Nov 13 22:49:01 <Guysoft422> yep
Nov 13 22:49:14 <qwerty12_N800> Guysoft422, No idea sorry, i don't know about tab on n810 keyboard except that it is weird to do :p
Nov 13 22:49:20 <Guysoft422> or anywhere else for that matter
Nov 13 22:49:23 <ds3> Stskeeps: the lower level stuff is what I am most familiar with...
Nov 13 22:49:39 <Guysoft422> brb restart
Nov 13 22:50:30 <Stskeeps> ds3: a bit of balant advertising then, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , - feel free to contribute proposals / changes / ideas etc on the talk page
Nov 13 22:51:37 <ds3> Stskeeps: are you with Nokia?
Nov 13 22:51:56 <Stskeeps> ds3: nop, community
Nov 13 22:52:53 <Stskeeps> doesn't mean we can't create proof of concepts and show to nokia that some changes would be viable for platform improvement
Nov 13 22:53:02 <ds3> Stskeeps: I should cool off a bit before doing any contributions; right now I am half way ready to toss out most of the Maemo stuff and replace it with my own like I did with the SLS stuff back in 92
Nov 13 22:53:51 <Stskeeps> ds3: hehe. i did Deblet, so i know some of the hardships - but, nokia is actually showing to be more and more open to changes
Nov 13 22:54:45 <ds3> Stskeeps: did you keep the Nokia kernel + the dsme for power management?
Nov 13 22:54:55 <Stskeeps> ds3: for deblet, yeah
Nov 13 22:54:55 <Guysoft422> qwerty, then how do you complete names in IRC?
Nov 13 22:55:08 <Stskeeps> ds3: OHM will come out sooner or later and that'd probably be a replacement
Nov 13 22:55:14 <Stskeeps> ds3: dsme is trivial to talk to so
Nov 13 22:56:12 <Stskeeps> ds3: deblet was/is mostly an exersise to show alternative OS'es on tablets/environments are viable, but maemo are doing some right things in terms of power management
Nov 13 22:56:16 <GAN800> ds3, any relation to ds2?
Nov 13 22:56:32 <qwerty12_N800> Guysoft422, Type the first few letters of the name and press tab to cycle through. I don't know how you do tab on an N810 keyboard (N800 with osk here)
Nov 13 22:57:13 <Stskeeps> and some of those tricks make less sense for typical desktop distros, until they start catching up with power saving on regular machines :P
Nov 13 22:57:17 <Guysoft422> osk?
Nov 13 22:57:24 <ds3> GAN800: same... different nicks since #maemo traffic is so high
Nov 13 22:57:36 <qwerty12_N800> Guysoft422, on screen keyboard
Nov 13 22:57:42 <ds3> Stskeeps: how long of a battery life can you get with deblet running?
Nov 13 22:57:51 <GAN800> Aah, right then. Thanks for the Beagle help. :)
Nov 13 22:58:21 <Stskeeps> ds3: well, considering it's running a desktop system, 12 hours or so. nothing impressive really.
Nov 13 22:58:27 <Stskeeps> 12 hours idle, that is
Nov 13 22:58:47 <Stskeeps> still better than a laptop
Nov 13 22:59:00 <Guysoft422> strange, the hebrew keyboard only works on screen
Nov 13 22:59:39 <Stskeeps> Guysoft422: there's a keyboard layout thing in control panel probably?
Nov 13 23:00:06 <Guysoft422> yes, but it sets up only the osk
Nov 13 23:00:54 <ds3> Stskeeps: ah, so you didn't set it up to do all the idle things for PM?
Nov 13 23:01:27 <Stskeeps> ds3: but basically we're trying to see what happens if we reconstruct maemo from bottom up with the software published, and which problems we run into if we try to base it on let's say, ubuntu minimal base, and try to build the system up around principles of power saving (.. upstart job descriptions, OHM, hibernating applications, etc)
Nov 13 23:01:37 <Stskeeps> just the sleep while idle stuff and such from linux kernel
Nov 13 23:01:40 <Stskeeps> (re PM)
Nov 13 23:01:48 <Stskeeps> and wifi power saving
Nov 13 23:02:00 <Stskeeps> DSME isn't that magic really
Nov 13 23:02:39 <ds3> I am thinking more of all those little animations that a stock desktop likes to put up
Nov 13 23:03:27 <Stskeeps> ah - well we didn't experiment so much with that in deblet, initial goal was to get a sane debian system going, which we did
Nov 13 23:03:43 <Stskeeps> but also inherited the power usage of a debian desktop system
Nov 13 23:03:57 <ds3> gotcha
Nov 13 23:04:43 <Guysoft422> stskeeps, that sounds alot like  how they built the ubuntu flavor of OLPC
Nov 13 23:04:51 <ds3> I doubt it would be well received but I would like to see stuff like dbus go away and just have a tighter coupling, prehaps with more of a binary protocol
Nov 13 23:06:03 <Stskeeps> well considering how little dbus messages fly around and that we're dealing with at least a 166mhz machine, it's probably good enough to have a more abstract view on the world like dbus
Nov 13 23:06:20 <Stskeeps> for flexibility
Nov 13 23:07:32 <Stskeeps> which is something maemo usually has going for it, it is a versatile platform, but has its walls regarding some things
Nov 13 23:07:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 13 23:07:40 <Stskeeps> walls/barriers
Nov 13 23:08:02 <ds3> it is still a process with a footprint
Nov 13 23:08:42 <Stskeeps> i would really have preferred to see dbus as a kernel thing instead really.. i was quite inspired by the fast ipc possible with L4 for instance
Nov 13 23:09:15 <Stskeeps> and dbus should be minimal obviously, - direct bloat doesn't belong in dbus :P
Nov 13 23:10:08 <ds3> I much rather see a direct usage of sockets instead
Nov 13 23:10:18 <derf> The big problem with dbus is that if the server dies, all its clients die.
Nov 13 23:10:33 <derf> Which means that upgrading dbus basically means rebooting.
Nov 13 23:10:41 <ds3> I can tolerate dbus just  prefer otherwise
Nov 13 23:10:57 <derf> Bringing the Linux experience one step closer to being just like Windows.
Nov 13 23:13:59 <Stskeeps> ds3: you could probably hack up your own ICD if you wanted.. patches for cx3110x exist to give the full wireless-tools
Nov 13 23:14:10 <Stskeeps> ICD is "just" a dbus participant anyway
Nov 13 23:14:41 <Stskeeps> had NetworkManager going in Deblet, for instance
Nov 13 23:26:42 <Stskeeps> oh, i didn't know RSS reader was OSS
Nov 13 23:26:44 <Stskeeps> interesting
Nov 13 23:26:53 <ds3> Stskeeps: I know.
Nov 13 23:27:31 <ds3> I have done the swap in the kernel and shove your own app down the frame buffer thing already; have to make it a bit more useful
Nov 13 23:28:51 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Nov 13 23:28:56 <Stskeeps> i'm off to bed, bbl
Nov 14 00:17:07 <prez00> any chance n8x0 video/audio chat will work with new google audio/vid?
Nov 14 00:43:30 <jagernot> i copy my files from jag@localhost to scratchbox all the time and have to enter a password how do i prevent that?
Nov 14 00:48:49 <shapr> ssh master
Nov 14 00:49:23 <shapr> At the end of your ~/.ssh/config put:
Nov 14 00:49:37 <shapr> Host *
Nov 14 00:49:37 <shapr> ControlMaster auto
Nov 14 00:49:37 <shapr> ControlPath /tmp/ssh-%h-%p-%r
Nov 14 00:50:27 <shapr> Then you ssh into your scratchbox in one xterm, and "scp jag@scratchbox *" will no longer ask you for a password, because it reuses the existing ssh connection.
Nov 14 00:50:37 <shapr> jagernot: Sounds good?
Nov 14 00:51:46 <jagernot> thanks shapr..sorry for delayed reply.
Nov 14 00:51:49 <jagernot> will try this out
Nov 14 00:52:22 <shapr> poke me if you have any problems
Nov 14 00:54:45 <prez00> any chance n8x0 video/audio chat will work with new google audio/vid?
Nov 14 00:55:36 <Robot101> prez00: it'll probably be possible to update a few components to make it work
Nov 14 00:55:40 <Robot101> prez00: we're working on it atm
Nov 14 00:55:47 <Robot101> they need to add H.263 support
Nov 14 00:55:50 <Robot101> but I've heard its planned
Nov 14 00:55:56 <prez00>  cool...
Nov 14 00:56:06 <Robot101> the signalling we've basically got done
Nov 14 00:56:11 <jagernot> shapr: it says bad control master and bad control path
Nov 14 00:56:19 <Robot101> they only have one codec choice atm though
Nov 14 00:56:30 <Robot101> and it's a weird variety of H.264 which isn't supported at all by the N810
Nov 14 00:58:28 <prez00> why'd they go with weird h.264?
Nov 14 00:58:48 <Robot101> it's a new standard called H.264/SVC, scalable video coding
Nov 14 00:58:58 <Robot101> it has a basic H.264 low-detail stream
Nov 14 00:59:04 <Robot101> then if you have more bandwidth it can add more detail
Nov 14 00:59:14 <Robot101> its pretty nice for video conferencing
Nov 14 00:59:25 <Robot101> but it has basically 0 free implementations
Nov 14 00:59:37 <Robot101> and I'm not sure I've seen any linux implementations at all
Nov 14 00:59:56 <prez00> open standard?
Nov 14 01:03:57 <Robot101> prez00: yeah, ish. as much as H.264 is, in that some of the stakeholders could have patents or other IPR in there, and demand licensing fees
Nov 14 01:04:18 <Robot101> but the specs are obtainable for a fee etc, it's an ITU standard
Nov 14 01:06:10 <prez00> got it, thankss
Nov 14 02:34:52 <bef0rd> thanks for answering that Robot101, I asked the same thing yesterday :P
Nov 14 02:59:40 * GeneralAntilles goes through the translation table to figure out who provided what.
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