**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 14 02:59:57 2008 Nov 14 03:10:29 Can anybody confirm or deny those existing attributions? Nov 14 03:10:30 http://slexy.org/view/s2qlAmluvg Nov 14 03:21:59 have had some problem with vi not editing well in utf-8 files. no problems with same locale on other platforms Nov 14 03:22:40 also backspacing on sh command lines when dealing with utf-8 characters. Nov 14 04:58:25 hi, everyone Nov 14 04:58:50 I want get lftp for my n800. Where can I get it? Nov 14 04:59:04 Maemo repo? Nov 14 04:59:53 apt-cache search lftp returns nothing. Nov 14 05:01:39 try looking around http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/ ? Nov 14 05:05:37 There is no result matching the search criteria 'lftp'. Nov 14 05:06:14 that's about the extent of my help, I'm pretty useless :P Nov 14 05:07:17 thanks anyway. Nov 14 05:12:23 camel_liu, I found -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=135615#post135615 Nov 14 05:15:43 Does the N800 read mobile codes? Nov 14 05:16:21 mobile codes? Nov 14 05:16:45 Wut Nov 14 05:16:49 ^ Nov 14 05:17:36 mobile codes as 2D bar-codes? Nov 14 05:18:11 ah you mean qrcodes and datamatrix Nov 14 05:19:10 datamatrix, that the geeky version of a dominatrix? Nov 14 05:21:34 Do any of the karma listings work for anybody? Nov 14 05:21:39 They always timeout server-side for me. Nov 14 05:46:59 hai Nov 14 05:48:24 shapr, I believe there is a garage project for that Nov 14 05:48:34 bradd, thanks, I'll try this lftp Nov 14 06:01:40 If anybody needs a throw-away SD: http://www.woot.com/ Nov 14 06:04:59 hmm Nov 14 06:05:05 an interesting proposal Nov 14 06:05:24 crap Nov 14 06:05:30 that's cheap Nov 14 06:06:46 meh. dont need it. need hsfs for dual socket f Nov 14 06:07:02 my dynatrons are loud and dont mount right. Nov 14 06:07:11 one fell into my gtx280 Nov 14 06:07:23 broke two fan blades Nov 14 06:07:35 i hope everything survives Nov 14 06:07:49 well, lifetime warranty ftw Nov 14 06:09:41 how long does the screen shown in http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouchcrystal/cleartouch-crystal-screen-protector-nokia-n810_3045.htm#details usually last? Nov 14 06:10:33 I'm still on my first one from a year ago. Nov 14 06:10:48 I recommend the anti-glare over the clear-touch, though. Nov 14 06:11:28 why anti-glare over the clear-touch? Nov 14 06:14:53 I uncarefully reset target DIABLO_ARMEL. Can I install it only? Nov 14 06:15:05 I think my wife is technically more advanced that I am. It took me 5 minutes to open the front cover of N800.. my wife could do the same with an single drop to the floor. Nov 14 06:22:48 how effective is the boxwave screen protectors against scratches? Nov 14 06:22:56 how often would i need to replace the screen protector? Nov 14 06:23:37 Like I said, I'm still on my original Nov 14 06:23:52 Better texture, anti-glare protection Nov 14 06:25:25 GeneralAntilles, how long have you been on the original? Nov 14 06:25:37 Like I said, one year. . . . Nov 14 06:26:23 sorry that i have missed that Nov 14 06:32:46 how well does android work on the n810? Nov 14 06:32:57 i had a lot of problems installing android on it last month Nov 14 06:32:58 It's a dead end. Nov 14 06:33:06 how is it a dead end? Nov 14 06:34:01 Unless we have a page flipping framebuffer and 3d, it's just not going any farther. Nov 14 06:39:10 what's wrong with those? Nov 14 06:39:13 running too slow? Nov 14 06:39:18 or the features just not there? Nov 14 07:18:03 when I do apt-get update, I got: Err http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk Release.gpg Nov 14 07:18:03 Got a single header line over 360 chars Nov 14 07:18:11 What's the matter? Nov 14 07:19:15 Is the repo down? Nov 14 07:22:18 Does anybody know what happens to maemo repo? When I update, it always returns error of 'Got a single header line over 360 chars'. Nov 14 07:26:31 seems that way Nov 14 07:32:54 Can anyone do a help? Nov 14 07:38:36 Morning, all Nov 14 07:43:28 Afternoon, all Nov 14 07:54:36 hmm. even opening and cleaning the touch screen on n800 did not resolve issue with very bad calibration on right bottom corner. Nov 14 07:54:53 my display is still about 7mm off. Nov 14 07:56:07 I have also reflashed (without restoring backup) the device. is there any other thing I could do to resolve the calibration issue? screen calibration can not do it as the calibration is too much out. Nov 14 08:01:07 or do you remember where was the information about displays in 770, n800, n810.. is it possible to swap an display module from 770 to n800? Nov 14 08:02:02 No Nov 14 08:03:33 also n810 and n800 have different modules? Nov 14 08:05:30 yes Nov 14 08:06:27 hmm. not good then. Nov 14 08:10:35 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3859 Nov 14 08:16:38 What wrong with maemo repo? I cannot update or install anything! Nov 14 08:17:19 Always 'Got a single header line over 360 chars' Nov 14 08:17:41 hi everyone! Nov 14 08:19:46 hi all, Nov 14 08:20:17 Nobody here? Nov 14 08:20:22 me :) Nov 14 08:20:47 let me check if i can install/// Nov 14 08:20:55 n800 btw Nov 14 08:22:46 I cannot update or install in scratchbox. Nov 14 08:22:57 aha, that i don't know Nov 14 08:23:18 do you have connection with the outside world, within you scratchbox? Nov 14 08:25:53 of course Nov 14 08:28:22 camel_liu, works for me from a fresh install (yesterday) Nov 14 08:28:56 see: http://pastebin.ca/1255984 Nov 14 08:31:00 probably a problem with your proxy? Nov 14 08:31:05 I found a proxy info in that. Maybe when I install armel target, I try a proxy. Nov 14 08:31:31 Yes, Let me try to find it Nov 14 08:34:23 well, according to that output you are using a proxy, and that proxy server seems broken Nov 14 08:35:03 I found a 99proxy in target's apt.conf.d directory, and I del it, but problem is still here Nov 14 08:36:33 What else can I do? restart target? Nov 14 08:39:02 Mek, How can I find if I use a proxy in scratchbix? Nov 14 08:44:58 hey; is there a way to install firefox 3 on mamo? Nov 14 08:45:09 There's a proxy ( http://192.168.1.181:9014/) used in wget, but I did not set it, how can I delete it? Nov 14 08:45:12 Sure, but there isn't much point. Nov 14 08:45:16 It's slow and crappy. Nov 14 08:46:13 How can I set proxy in scratchbox? Nov 14 09:03:06 I resolved it Nov 14 09:07:31 GeneralAntilles, is there a way to sync bookmarks between them? and install greasemonkey? Nov 14 09:52:35 i wanna lxde for m-r,but i have had no luck yet. I downloaded sources from sourceforge, but i have no idea how to compile... Nov 14 09:52:36 is it more worthwhile to put debian or android on n810? Nov 14 09:52:40 or rather Nov 14 09:52:50 which one is better for what type of applications? Nov 14 09:53:42 debian is good if you want apps from debian, android if you want an outdated port Nov 14 09:54:02 outdated port? Nov 14 09:54:17 i just want to try out android just for fun Nov 14 09:54:23 but i'm having trouble installing it Nov 14 09:54:27 for now it is really outdated Nov 14 09:54:39 http://www.talkandroid.com/134-android-nokia-n810-install/ and http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198240 is what i followed Nov 14 09:54:46 the installer thing Nov 14 09:54:46 Meiz_n810, get source packages from ubunu? Nov 14 09:55:04 StsN800: thanks Nov 14 09:55:05 you mean the installer being outdated could be the problem of my installation troubles? Nov 14 09:55:12 and dpkg-buildpackage them Nov 14 09:55:16 ok Nov 14 09:56:08 that android is pretty old Nov 14 09:56:21 but i believe there is team working with the new one Nov 14 09:56:40 Meiz_n810, but until then, i probably can't install android, even with the old installer? Nov 14 09:56:52 and the old installer is the only installer out there right now? Nov 14 09:56:58 yes Nov 14 09:57:09 old installer is for old android Nov 14 09:57:41 i guess i'll wait for the new one to come out then Nov 14 10:00:02 thanks for the heads up Nov 14 10:05:35 StsN800: i tried apt-get source lxpanel lxde-common. It says there is no packages called lxpanel os lxde-common Nov 14 10:05:41 *or Nov 14 10:06:14 you have proper sources.lidst? Nov 14 10:06:40 yep Nov 14 10:07:05 i have all these what are listed at http://mojo.handhelds.org/hasty-armv6el-vfp Nov 14 10:09:25 What IDE do you use in scratchbox for development? Nov 14 10:10:12 I am trying to compile in tablet :) with chroot Nov 14 10:11:11 Could anyone give a suggestion about IDE development tools in scratchbox? Nov 14 10:13:20 camel: Geany Nov 14 10:16:05 when using maemo mapper, how long should the gps take to locate where i am? Nov 14 10:16:19 Depending on where you are and whether you are running AGPS Nov 14 10:16:25 not know about Geany Nov 14 10:16:34 Meiz_n810, maybe debian source packages then Nov 14 10:16:49 find at packages.ubuntu.com Nov 14 10:16:52 er Nov 14 10:16:56 camel: Do you know about google? Nov 14 10:16:56 debian.org Nov 14 10:17:06 not know AGPS neither Nov 14 10:17:23 RST38h, AGPS? Nov 14 10:17:30 or a gps? Nov 14 10:17:59 ~info agps Nov 14 10:18:07 hmmm Nov 14 10:18:12 ~what agps Nov 14 10:18:41 i got confused when RST38h said agps Nov 14 10:18:58 Ok, let us approach it from a different direction Nov 14 10:19:03 ok Nov 14 10:19:14 it seems that my gps on my n810 keeps searching forever Nov 14 10:19:22 hence i never gotten it working properly Nov 14 10:19:24 yea, so it does Nov 14 10:20:05 Install this program: agps-ui from the Maemo Extras Nov 14 10:20:10 ok Nov 14 10:20:23 Run it, select your current locaiton on the map (as prcisely as possible) Nov 14 10:20:30 i'll check if agps-ui is installed Nov 14 10:20:35 Then quit agps-ui and run Map or Maemo Mapper Nov 14 10:20:49 Do make sure you are outside and the sky view is not blocked by buildings. Nov 14 10:21:04 It should take 40seconds to 5 minutes for the GPS to lock on. Nov 14 10:21:41 Oh, almost forgot: your tablet should have an internet connection (wifi or gprs) but as you are using the Mapper, you probably have it anywya Nov 14 10:21:59 i can't find agps-ui Nov 14 10:22:03 i can find a-gps Nov 14 10:22:09 i'm not sure if they are the same thing Nov 14 10:22:15 same thing Nov 14 10:22:15 and a-gps is a beta version Nov 14 10:22:17 ok Nov 14 10:25:18 should i see the world map when selecting the location for gps to sync? Nov 14 10:51:39 A law criminalising denial of service attacks and the supply of hacking tools has been brought into force in England and Wales after a number of delays. The law was already in force in Scotland. Nov 14 10:51:41 hEHE Nov 14 10:56:09 laws against "hacking tools" worry me a little Nov 14 10:57:09 They are wonderful - make it much easier to jail people at random Nov 14 10:57:33 so laws against DDoS...does that make slashdot illegal? Nov 14 10:57:34 Although I kinda thought UK had no problem with this even without hacking tools Nov 14 10:58:04 johnx: Yes, so generally, UK may incarcerate or even execute Slashdot Nov 14 10:58:06 =) Nov 14 11:02:03 bergie: ping Nov 14 11:02:10 morning all Nov 14 11:02:31 lardman: pong Nov 14 11:02:55 bergie: I didn't quite understand the fix made to the karma, what's this about duplicate accounts? Nov 14 11:03:09 bergie: is that some duplicate on the server side, rather than duplicate email accounts? Nov 14 11:03:30 lardman: there were sometimes issues with user import from garage, and because of that many users have duplicate (inactivated) accounts Nov 14 11:03:40 ah, that makes sense now Nov 14 11:03:43 cool, thanks Nov 14 11:05:03 the issue was that sometimes garage produced corrupted user list transfer file Nov 14 11:05:16 and so the importer thought some accounts had been removed and inactivated them Nov 14 11:05:21 then in next import it created new copies Nov 14 11:05:40 ok Nov 14 11:17:00 * StsN800 yawns Nov 14 11:22:26 hey Stskeeps :D Nov 14 11:28:23 lo johnx Nov 14 11:37:44 how's called that nice matchbox-sized thingy with an OMAP 3530 on it? Nov 14 11:38:07 bearbox or something like it Nov 14 11:39:11 zap, beagleboard? Nov 14 11:39:18 gimstix, beagleboard. omapzoom? Nov 14 11:39:34 pandora (for a big matchbox) Nov 14 11:39:45 gumstix Nov 14 11:40:01 yes, gumstix overo, not gimstix :) Nov 14 11:42:46 StsN800: thanks Nov 14 12:08:54 johnx: i think i'll work a bit with installer this afternoon Nov 14 12:09:03 any luck on finding the minimal subset? Nov 14 12:15:30 Does maemo sdk 4.1 work with the n770 Nov 14 12:17:00 good question i guess Nov 14 12:17:16 it technically does target diablo, but i dunno if its impossible to compile for 770 :P Nov 14 12:17:39 So if I am targetting the 770, I need to use 2.2? Nov 14 12:18:53 well, there's OS2006 or OS2007HE and OS2008HE too.. Nov 14 12:20:34 n770 uses OS2006, I'm a bit confused, does 4.1 do OS2006 or am I better off using 4.1? Nov 14 12:20:45 sorry 2.2? Nov 14 12:20:52 not 4.1 Nov 14 12:20:53 you are better off using 2.2 Nov 14 12:21:22 * RST38h is checking whether the latest sdk even provides an os2006 rootstrap Nov 14 12:21:29 Ok, RST38h thanks Nov 14 12:23:55 yes, Nokia says use 2.2 Nov 14 12:25:31 So if I use 0.1 vmware image on http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ I'll be ok? Nov 14 12:26:51 Its the only one with Bora and Gregale Nov 14 13:13:14 hey, how do i change the position of applications in the appplication menu? Nov 14 13:13:59 control panel -> panels -> organize Nov 14 13:29:13 mgedmin, thanks :-) Nov 14 13:29:46 btw, i carn't seem to get a lock on the GPS ( i tried standing out side , no luck) . what could be the problem? Nov 14 13:36:42 hi Nov 14 13:39:43 guysoft42: n810 gps isn't exactly known to be that fancy Nov 14 13:39:52 guysoft42: people are still trying to trace down the issue Nov 14 13:40:18 strike I solved the problem I am working the whole week on Nov 14 13:48:53 hm what do you think which license is the /usr/share/X11/xkb directory? Nov 14 13:49:09 good question really.. Nov 14 13:49:10 :P Nov 14 13:49:25 if it's on repository.maemo.org/pool, probably openish Nov 14 13:49:54 stskeeps the files beside the files from nokia are mit Nov 14 13:50:02 because xserver is mit Nov 14 13:50:16 hm probably they are mit too Nov 14 14:19:12 Stskeeps, still dealing with stupid things Nov 14 14:19:16 k Nov 14 14:19:41 some of the problems I *am* making for myself though :) Nov 14 14:23:38 he johnx Nov 14 14:23:46 hi woglinde Nov 14 14:23:48 johnx I got it work Nov 14 14:23:50 yeah Nov 14 14:24:09 really? so does that mean an easy to setup nx client? Nov 14 14:24:41 copied the whole xkb dir to the server and put a if in the nxnode.conf to change to that dir when using the nokia Nov 14 14:24:48 args nxnode Nov 14 14:25:45 hehe and you must link keycode.dir to keymap.dir Nov 14 14:25:48 * lcuk wanders around irc intoxicated Nov 14 14:25:58 * lcuk blames Stskeeps Nov 14 14:26:07 hi lcuk Nov 14 14:26:16 hiya woglinde, hows tricks Nov 14 14:26:30 lcuk, did Stskeeps drive you to drink? Nov 14 14:26:46 i think that might have happened with some deblet uses Nov 14 14:26:49 users Nov 14 14:26:56 haha Nov 14 14:26:59 heh, not really the cruel git left me a beer in #liqbase Nov 14 14:27:14 and its inpolite not to drink it all Nov 14 14:28:27 i'm having one myself irl :P Nov 14 14:28:39 ill have lots tonight Nov 14 14:28:50 reminderdate:1300,remindercount:600,POANextDueDate::POADate Nov 14 14:28:53 oh crap Nov 14 14:30:02 Stskeeps, so how hammered will you be later? Nov 14 14:30:07 johnx: i think i'll make a shell script installer for this, - deblet installer is a bit too heavy for our PoC stuff Nov 14 14:30:17 lcuk: probably not too much. dad coming to visit me tomorrow Nov 14 14:30:28 and can we expect to see the next version of mamemmemmmo rereconstructulated tonight Nov 14 14:30:44 fair enough Nov 14 14:31:37 *g* Nov 14 14:31:43 Stskeeps, sounds, good. I'll try and get a default package set to send to you Nov 14 14:31:49 if hildon-desktop will cooperate Nov 14 14:31:51 johnx: is dpkg-deb -x armelpack dir; dpkg-deb -e armelpackage.deb dir/DEBIAN; change architecture to arm from armel, dpkg-deb --build the easiest to rename arm? Nov 14 14:31:56 *nod* Nov 14 14:32:06 i don't expect a huge system, just one that boots sanely :P Nov 14 14:32:23 boots into Xorg/hildon-desktop, right? Nov 14 14:32:31 I haven't had hildon-desktop running yet O_o Nov 14 14:32:55 well boots into whatever really, as long as it boots ;) Nov 14 14:33:04 as a foundation Nov 14 14:33:14 boots into a white screen with no input possible? ok, done! :D Nov 14 14:33:41 yes, that's the quickest way to change architecture when you don't have a source package Nov 14 14:33:43 .. or rescue menu with console Nov 14 14:34:25 * Stskeeps ponders a little about the