**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 15 02:59:57 2008
Nov 15 03:04:15 <lcuk> damn! thats the most sensible thing ive heard goron brown say in a long time http://othernews.uk.myway.com/article//20081114/B142323291226670321A0.html
Nov 15 03:09:51 <woglinde> lcuk get om sleep
Nov 15 03:10:03 <woglinde> I will do the same now
Nov 15 03:10:12 <lcuk> im thinking :)
Nov 15 03:10:28 <lcuk> very peacefully actually
Nov 15 03:10:29 <woglinde> about what?
Nov 15 03:11:37 <lcuk> parsing and trees and recursion and journeys :) ive stripped liqbase down to a raw core
Nov 15 03:12:43 <lcuk> its going to be rebuild extremely cleanly using only the components that worked and adjustments to those which didn't
Nov 15 03:13:44 <woglinde> yes
Nov 15 03:13:49 <woglinde> good way
Nov 15 03:13:55 <woglinde> for software engeneering
Nov 15 03:14:08 <woglinde> crictical commits only by 2 acks from devs
Nov 15 03:14:09 <woglinde> haha
Nov 15 03:14:40 <lcuk> heh
Nov 15 03:16:06 <woglinde> okay
Nov 15 03:16:10 <woglinde> just joking
Nov 15 03:16:13 <woglinde> good nite
Nov 15 06:10:14 * johnx returns!
Nov 15 06:42:27 <johnx> ok, osso-af-startup is full of "do not want" :P
Nov 15 07:22:33 <Meiz_n810_> Stskeeps installer worked great
Nov 15 07:23:39 <Meiz_n810> But after debootstrapping apt-get asked Y/n.
Nov 15 07:24:22 <johnx> what did it want to do?
Nov 15 07:25:11 <Meiz_n810> just install packages normally, but i tought it would not ask. Deblet installer uses -y and --force-yes options
Nov 15 07:25:34 <Meiz_n810> but i think it is better when it aska
Nov 15 07:25:39 <Meiz_n810> *asks
Nov 15 07:26:21 <Meiz_n810> because i loose sometimes my internet connection...
Nov 15 07:59:32 <RST38h> yaen
Nov 15 07:59:36 <RST38h> yawn, sorry
Nov 15 08:00:49 <johnx> love to stay around of the yawning but I have beer to drink :D 'later
Nov 15 08:03:52 <hahlobit> beer  is better
Nov 15 08:14:29 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: yeah
Nov 15 08:18:47 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps, is usb host mode enabled in m-r for default
Nov 15 08:19:19 <Stskeeps> if usbnet isn't enabled i guess it is in whatever standard mode it is wihout gadget loaded
Nov 15 08:21:08 <RST38h> Sts: Is SB2 broken again? After the last update, it can no longer package stuff
Nov 15 08:21:21 <Meiz_n810> If i add host mode command in rc.local, will i be able to use usb-keyboard?
Nov 15 08:21:38 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: possibly, i never tried usb host stuff on my tablet
Nov 15 08:21:45 <Stskeeps> RST38h: no clue, haven't used it for a wihle
Nov 15 08:21:45 <RST38h> Reports a broken assert() in xargs at the dh_fixperms stage
Nov 15 08:21:54 <Stskeeps> i'm at my trusty qemu + distcc to crosscompiler
Nov 15 08:22:06 <RST38h> Sts: I thought you were using sb2 as a model? =)
Nov 15 08:22:28 <Stskeeps> i was
Nov 15 08:22:45 <Stskeeps> right now we're just going for the OS running and having sufficient packages and developing for it
Nov 15 08:22:50 <Stskeeps> and then when that's stable, make a rootstrap for it
Nov 15 08:23:34 <ryoohki> anyone here use maemo mapper?
Nov 15 08:23:45 <RST38h> ryoohki: yes. your question?
Nov 15 08:23:52 <Stskeeps> i will eventually return to sb2 though
Nov 15 08:24:01 <Stskeeps> since we discovered why the X server died in the emulator
Nov 15 08:24:18 <RST38h> Looks like sb2 goes into some kind of an infinite directory traversal
Nov 15 08:24:18 <ryoohki> how do i set the start address, then end address, and have it plot a trip so i use the download maops along route feature?
Nov 15 08:24:29 <RST38h> ryoohki: You don't, it does not work well.
Nov 15 08:25:44 <hahlobit> if usb host mode in use can luser crank up more voltage to usb port somehow?
Nov 15 08:26:06 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps, usb-host mode worked with deblet, but i don't know is it possible tu use usb-keyboard in fb-console. (why not)
Nov 15 08:26:07 <Stskeeps> isn't it like max 200mA without powered usb hub on n800/n810s?
Nov 15 08:26:13 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: try? :P
Nov 15 08:26:29 <Meiz_n810> yep, when i get back to home
Nov 15 08:26:56 <Stskeeps> pft, i've seen people stare at me when i've popped a mattery in the bus ;)
Nov 15 08:27:10 <hahlobit> usb powered fan doesn't run well
Nov 15 08:28:19 <Meiz_n810> get mugen battery, and hack tablet to give fan a lot power?
Nov 15 08:28:40 <GeneralAntilles> hahlobit, USB OTG is limited to 100mA
Nov 15 08:29:09 <GeneralAntilles> ryoohki, see the help, but, download the route (from the menu), then do the normal manage maps steps except pick along route instead of area.
Nov 15 08:29:20 <Meiz_n810> fan will drain a lot battery :p
Nov 15 08:30:14 <qwerty12> hahlobit, just get a normal pocket fan, round here, practically any shop selling them sells them for £1 :P
Nov 15 08:31:21 <ryoohki> but the problem is, how do i say "From the current gps coordinates, i'm going to "123 Address Pl, Town, ST 95123"?
Nov 15 08:32:09 <ryoohki> also, does nayone know if a new rom image has been made available for the n810 wimax edition?
Nov 15 08:32:11 <Stskeeps> hahlobit: are you trying to make your tablet fly? :P
Nov 15 08:32:33 <ryoohki> GeneralAntilles: i read help but it doesn't really say very much\
Nov 15 08:32:39 <GeneralAntilles>  ryoohki, from the menu.
Nov 15 08:32:46 <GeneralAntilles> In the "Route" menu, appropriately enough.
Nov 15 08:33:50 <RST38h> http://exiledonline.com/raymond-%E2%80%9Cchuck%E2%80%9D-foster-imperial-wizard-of-the-kkk/
Nov 15 08:34:07 <RST38h> do kkk members qualify as geeks?
Nov 15 08:34:44 <ryoohki> GeneralAntilles: yes i see but there is only Open/Download/Save/Show Distance to Next Waypoint/Show Distance to End of Route/Reset/Clear there is no "Enter Start Addres" or "Enter End Address"
Nov 15 08:35:45 <GeneralAntilles> Tap Download
Nov 15 08:35:50 <GeneralAntilles> then use the dialog that pops up. . . .
Nov 15 08:38:40 <ryoohki> is there a way to use google maps?
Nov 15 08:38:50 <GeneralAntilles> Um?
Nov 15 08:39:10 <Meiz_n810> yes, there is
Nov 15 08:39:32 <GeneralAntilles> ryoohki, take 15 minutes and just tap through the dialogs a bit.
Nov 15 08:39:39 <Stskeeps> RST38h: the prosecutor said "It's kind of impressive for a group with a pretty small IQ to be able to cleanse that site so well," - after the people who did it went to a local shop and asked how to get blood stains out of their clothes.. and the shop keeper then called the cops
Nov 15 08:39:40 <GeneralAntilles> Everything you need is fairly easy to get to. :)
Nov 15 08:44:29 <RST38h> Sts: yea, not the brightest bunch
Nov 15 08:46:25 <RST38h> Sts: they make late Pvt. Lynndie England look bright.
Nov 15 08:46:48 <RST38h> [and cute too, as horrible as it may sound]
Nov 15 08:49:29 <jagernot> where can i find dh_make?
Nov 15 08:49:38 <jagernot> dh_make command not found in scratchbox
Nov 15 08:49:43 <jagernot> or on my local machine
Nov 15 08:50:24 <ryoohki> GeneralAntilles: thanks! working now!
Nov 15 08:50:45 <RST38h> dh_make is a step in packaging process, right?
Nov 15 08:51:05 <qwerty12> yeah, makes a debian folder with sample rules etc
Nov 15 08:51:27 <jagernot> yes RST
Nov 15 08:52:02 * RST38h remembers typing something to this effect in sb1 but it wasn't dh_make
Nov 15 08:52:07 <RST38h> weird
Nov 15 08:53:45 <jagernot> i have a whole bunch of dh_ files except dh_make in scratchbox
Nov 15 08:54:13 <qwerty12> jagernot, post the contents of "echo $PATH" on a pastebin
Nov 15 08:55:01 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody else think the profile link in the maemo.org header should link to the profile proper instead of the edit page?
Nov 15 08:55:19 <jagernot> what is a pastebin qwerty?
Nov 15 08:55:25 <GeneralAntilles> ~pastebin
Nov 15 08:55:26 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Nov 15 08:55:40 <RST38h> GAN: I do
Nov 15 08:55:52 <RST38h> GAN: Suggested that months ago, too
Nov 15 08:56:10 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, did you file a bug?
Nov 15 08:56:21 <RST38h> Don't remember. A moment.
Nov 15 08:56:37 <jagernot> http://pastebin.com/m7fd74548
Nov 15 08:56:50 <jagernot> qwerty12: http://pastebin.com/m7fd74548
Nov 15 08:57:10 <qwerty12> jagernot, yep. That isn't complete. Are you in diablo armel target?
Nov 15 08:57:41 <jagernot> qwerty: what does that mean? im in scratchbox
Nov 15 08:58:00 <qwerty12> jagernot, does it say [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL:?
Nov 15 08:58:18 <jagernot> qwerty: yep...only CHINOOK_ARMEL
Nov 15 08:58:27 <jagernot> sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL >
Nov 15 08:59:07 <RST38h> GAN: I did not.
Nov 15 08:59:15 <RST38h> But you seem to have filed one already, I am voting for it.
Nov 15 08:59:44 <GeneralAntilles> Have I?
Nov 15 09:00:08 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, that one's different
Nov 15 09:00:11 <RST38h> no, it is different
Nov 15 09:00:18 <RST38h> ok, I will file one for edit profile
Nov 15 09:00:24 <qwerty12> jagernot, run "sudo gedit /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/CHINOOK_ARMEL.config" and where it says SBOX_DEVKIT_NAMES, add :debian-etch to the end
Nov 15 09:00:27 <GeneralAntilles> That's modifying the breadcrumb in the profile view to let you get to the list view
Nov 15 09:00:33 <GeneralAntilles> bug 3861, RST38h.
Nov 15 09:00:40 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3861
Nov 15 09:01:18 <qwerty12> jagernot, then restart scratchbox and see if dh_make shows up then
Nov 15 09:01:35 <RST38h> ack. voted.
Nov 15 09:01:51 * GeneralAntilles wins the karma-whoring skirmish. :P
Nov 15 09:02:40 <jagernot> qwerty12: cant do that says SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set
Nov 15 09:03:07 <RST38h> me throws a laurel leaf in General's direction
Nov 15 09:03:09 <qwerty12> jagernot, I'd reinstall scratchbox. I don't know how you installed it but clearly, it's not been done right.
Nov 15 09:03:35 <jagernot> i installed from the automated scripts
Nov 15 09:04:17 <qwerty12> Then the targets should have been set up properly with SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD set to the right qemu etc. you should have debian-etch as a devkit already
Nov 15 09:04:53 <qwerty12> jagernot, for reference, here's my diablo_armel config : http://pastebin.com/m9bab027
Nov 15 09:05:30 <jagernot> ok thanks will check
Nov 15 09:07:19 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, thanking Texrat but not me. Too ranty? ;) :P
Nov 15 09:08:21 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: you quoted yourself :P
Nov 15 09:08:50 <GeneralAntilles> Only to illustrate where bugs entered into the discussion. ;)
Nov 15 09:08:52 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 15 09:14:27 <Stskeeps> thanked now :P i read the post when i was just waking up :P
Nov 15 09:16:14 <GAN800> I'm going to have to start whoring by quoting clever things I've said in the past in reply to vaguely related posts. :D
Nov 15 09:16:49 <Stskeeps> i'm just waiting for your postings to become sentient and start replicating themselves..
Nov 15 09:16:52 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 15 09:16:52 <jagernot> qwerty12: what is a rootstrap and how do i install 1
Nov 15 09:17:55 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: pop quiz, does setting performance cpu governor while booting decrease boot time, and is it noticable on battery?
Nov 15 09:18:14 <Stskeeps> as in, start from rootfs booting till hildon has started
Nov 15 09:18:33 <GAN800> I need a karma-whoring bot
Nov 15 09:18:58 <qwerty12> jagernot, a rootstrap is like a base (afaik) and installing one, i have no idea how to (except when making a new target). The scripts should have installed the rootstrap for you.
Nov 15 09:19:12 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I've never tried setting performance on boot
Nov 15 09:19:27 <qwerty12> (though it's a one liner in linuxrc...)
Nov 15 09:19:30 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: could be interesting to see if it improves anything
Nov 15 09:21:46 <Stskeeps> http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2008/11/11/license_hacking/ <- and this is why I don't like GPL and friends.
Nov 15 09:33:10 <RST38h> gan: if you continue at this rate, your karma will exceed quim's and that will be unmodest!
Nov 15 09:33:16 <RST38h> =0
Nov 15 09:34:24 <GAN800> Does that mean I have to eat his heart? :P
Nov 15 09:34:58 <RST38h> yes but only if we get to watch it on video
Nov 15 09:35:21 <Stskeeps> battle to the death in the circle of karma? :P
Nov 15 09:36:12 <GAN800> pistols at dawn
Nov 15 09:39:13 <RST38h> ok, xargs is broken in sb2
Nov 15 09:39:38 <RST38h> the weird thing is that typing "sb2 xargs" works but going into sb2 and then running xargs does not
Nov 15 09:41:21 <qwerty12> Check which xargs it's running.
Nov 15 09:41:30 <hahlobit> Stskeeps: ok probably something wrong in the fan. in laptop it runs well only one usb-port which gives more power.
Nov 15 09:42:58 <hahlobit> increasing voltage could be useful in the other things too.
Nov 15 09:45:20 <GAN800> USB OTG is rated for 100mA
Nov 15 09:45:47 <GAN800> You may be able to increase it, but say goodbye to battery life.
Nov 15 09:46:04 <GAN800> No guarantees that you wont damage the interface, either.
Nov 15 09:49:55 <RST38h> [SB2 devel chinook40_armel] fms@ubuntu NXC2600 $ which xargs
Nov 15 09:50:06 <RST38h>   /usr/bin/xargs
Nov 15 09:50:57 <qwerty12> What about when you run "sb2 which xargs"? Still the same?
Nov 15 09:52:13 <Stskeeps> and sb2 -e which args
Nov 15 09:52:15 <Stskeeps> xargs
Nov 15 09:53:36 <RST38h> sb2 -e which xargs does not print anything
Nov 15 09:53:57 <RST38h> sb2 which args prints /usr/bin/cargs
Nov 15 09:54:01 <RST38h> xargs sorry
Nov 15 09:54:14 <Stskeeps> no xargs in the rootstrap?
Nov 15 09:54:23 <GNUton> gmorning guys
Nov 15 09:54:58 <RST38h> Sts: why should it run rootstrap's xargs? I am using host tools
Nov 15 09:55:18 <Stskeeps> mm
Nov 15 09:58:07 * Stskeeps thinks iTT should have a "i went for device Y instead of n8x0 because of" thread, instead of the constant new threads..
Nov 15 09:58:10 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 15 09:58:43 <RST38h> Sts: The shorter title would be "I am bitter now"
Nov 15 09:58:47 <Stskeeps> yes, that too
Nov 15 10:00:10 <GAN800> 'I think people actually care what I spend my money on.'
Nov 15 10:03:09 * Stskeeps glances at gplv3
Nov 15 10:03:46 <GAN800> Actually, that's really not a bad plan.
Nov 15 10:03:53 <Stskeeps> hm?
Nov 15 10:03:59 <GAN800> I may post a Comment/Suggest later.
Nov 15 10:04:43 <GAN800> 'My self-importance is so overwhelming that I think everybody needs to know what device I used.'
Nov 15 10:04:48 <GAN800> s/used/use/
Nov 15 10:04:48 <infobot> GAN800 meant: 'My self-importance is so overwhelming that I think everybody needs to know what device I use.'
Nov 15 10:04:56 <GAN800> Device y thread
Nov 15 10:05:01 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 15 10:05:12 <GAN800> Much easier to ignore one thread instead of dozens.
Nov 15 10:09:45 <hahlobit> is there much diffrence between tablets? some say 770 was better built.
Nov 15 10:11:29 <qwerty12> Yep, they were built so well, the WSOD is a myth
Nov 15 10:11:48 <Stskeeps> so, license discussion of the day. does GPLv3 software on a mobile device pose problems for a open platform, open device (as in, non-tivo like restrictions on replacing software/gaining root)?
Nov 15 10:12:24 <Stskeeps> just something i'm pondering after reading through gplv3 highlights
Nov 15 10:13:16 <hahlobit> i only have n800, most have all three
Nov 15 10:15:33 * Stskeeps only has a n800 as well
Nov 15 10:27:07 <lcuk> Stskeeps, how do you get input to your 800
Nov 15 10:27:32 <Stskeeps> lcuk: touchscreen
Nov 15 10:27:43 <Stskeeps> which is why i type slowly when im on it :P
Nov 15 10:28:05 <lcuk> what about when you are faffing with all this reinstallation stuff and you dont have touchy keyboard
Nov 15 10:28:14 <Stskeeps> sshing in
Nov 15 10:28:21 <Stskeeps> or telnet through usb
Nov 15 10:28:47 <lcuk> ok, so you are used to using your big computer keyboard as an input device for n800 :)
Nov 15 10:28:50 <Stskeeps> yeah
Nov 15 10:28:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 15 10:28:51 <lcuk> great!
Nov 15 10:30:34 <Stskeeps> right, i'm off to pick up my dad at the station
Nov 15 10:31:13 <lcuk> have fun
Nov 15 10:42:03 <StsN800> n800, the best travel device
Nov 15 10:42:37 <hellwolf-n810> what about n810
Nov 15 10:42:42 <StsN800> 3g tethering, xchat, music, etc:)
Nov 15 10:43:00 <StsN800> well, n8x0 then
Nov 15 10:43:15 <hellwolf-n810> :D
Nov 15 10:47:56 <StsN801> until microb freezes up the ui obviously.
Nov 15 10:59:39 <StsN801> qwerty12, what interesting apps have you had to give up on cos of lack of proper unix base/gtkmm/dependancies?
Nov 15 11:00:13 <StsN801> give up trying to port that is
Nov 15 11:01:01 <lcuk> StsN801, opengl-es
Nov 15 11:01:35 <StsN801> yeah, ok, but thats hw support?
Nov 15 11:01:44 <qwerty12> StsN801, gparted, aptitude, aircrack-ng (although I got this one to compile with cs2008 toolchain)
Nov 15 11:02:32 <StsN801> k
Nov 15 11:03:35 <StsN801> im thinking to start an itt thread asking what apps people didn't manage to port and why
Nov 15 11:03:57 <StsN801> to show theres room for improvement
Nov 15 11:04:09 <qwerty12> StsN801, -developers rather?
Nov 15 11:04:21 <StsN801> maybe
Nov 15 11:05:15 <mikkov_> flamerobin, netpanzer, audacity
Nov 15 11:06:16 <StsN801> qwerty12, and primary issues were?
Nov 15 11:06:25 <StsN801> (mikkov too
Nov 15 11:07:03 <mikkov_> compiler or something else crashing in scratchbox ARMEL target
Nov 15 11:07:43 <qwerty12> StsN801, for aircrack-ng, default c/c++ compilers shipped with sbox are too shit for gparted/aptitiude, a load of errors which I can't remember at all
Nov 15 11:09:45 <mikkov_> hedgewars because I haven't accomplished in compiling a working free pascal compiler
Nov 15 11:15:53 <StsN801> ta
Nov 15 11:21:27 <guysoft42> hey, how do i know if i have diablo or not?
Nov 15 11:29:55 <aquatix> guysoft42: look at the version in Settings > Control Panel > About Product
Nov 15 11:30:40 <guysoft42> aquatix, should it say diablo/
Nov 15 11:30:42 <guysoft42> ?
Nov 15 11:31:06 <aquatix> it should say something about the version os OS2008
Nov 15 11:31:13 <aquatix> s/os/of
Nov 15 11:31:30 <guysoft42> i serr version 4.2008.36-5
Nov 15 11:31:38 <aquatix> that's the latest
Nov 15 11:31:42 <aquatix> so that's surely diablo
Nov 15 11:31:58 <guysoft42> mamo linux based os2008
Nov 15 11:32:27 <guysoft42> um, aquatix i seem to be missing software repositories
Nov 15 11:32:39 <qwerty12> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7730018.stm 0_o
Nov 15 11:32:48 <aquatix> guysoft42: ah, which?
Nov 15 11:32:55 <aquatix> qwerty12: yeah, awesome story :)
Nov 15 11:33:05 <guysoft42> let me paste the sources.list
Nov 15 11:33:08 <aquatix> qwerty12: the guts to just mail yourself away
Nov 15 11:33:20 <aquatix> guysoft42: sources.list is empty
Nov 15 11:33:30 <aquatix> it's in the subdir
Nov 15 11:33:41 <qwerty12> aquatix, made me laugh :D. Well, who *wants* to be in prison :p
Nov 15 11:33:59 <aquatix> ;)
Nov 15 11:34:17 <aquatix> guysoft42: take a look at /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Nov 15 11:34:17 <Proteous> At the end of his shift, the inmate climbed into a cardboard box and was taken out of prison by express courier.
Nov 15 11:34:21 <Proteous> they make it sound so easy
Nov 15 11:34:27 <aquatix> Proteous: well, it was i think
Nov 15 11:34:31 <Proteous> haha
Nov 15 11:34:37 <aquatix> later on, a guard says she needs a lot more people
Nov 15 11:34:51 <aquatix> because the inmates wheren't guarded well
Nov 15 11:37:18 <qwerty12> http://www.readnrock.com/?p=22 - best jail in the world
Nov 15 11:37:23 <guysoft42> wont let me pastebin :-S it thinks its spam
Nov 15 11:38:48 <guysoft42> aquatix, http://rafb.net/p/wBfyzL95.html here are the sources
Nov 15 11:40:47 * lcuk scratches his screen
Nov 15 11:40:58 <guysoft42> id would be nice if you can recommend software repositories.. i am brand new here..
Nov 15 11:41:58 <lcuk> maemo extras :)
Nov 15 11:44:10 <aquatix> guysoft42: actually, i think you have more in there then me :)
Nov 15 11:44:18 <aquatix> i have the claws-mail one
Nov 15 11:44:21 <aquatix> but that's about it
Nov 15 11:44:46 <aquatix> ah, and packages.collabora.co.uk for more IM stuff
Nov 15 11:45:29 <guysoft42> aquatix, what does packages.collabora.co.uk have?
Nov 15 11:46:06 <aquatix> telepathy haze and such
Nov 15 11:46:16 <aquatix> more IM networks for the build-in IM client
Nov 15 11:46:46 <guysoft42> aquatix, i have pidgin there at the moment
Nov 15 11:47:07 <aquatix> that also works of course, but i liked the integratedness
Nov 15 11:47:24 <guysoft42> aquatix, i use quite a lot of im networks- msn, gtalk,jabber, icq, yahoo and facebook-plugin
Nov 15 11:47:48 <guysoft42> aquatix, do those work like in pidgin?
Nov 15 11:48:24 <aquatix> it lists AIM, Google Talk, ICQ, Jabber, MSN, SIP and Yahoo
Nov 15 11:48:39 <guysoft42> no facebook?
Nov 15 11:48:50 <aquatix> not sure why it doesn't do others, as it uses libpurple too
Nov 15 12:00:47 <lcuk> my brain hurts
Nov 15 12:05:49 * towo shoot lcuk in the head.
Nov 15 12:06:03 <towo> Call me pain killer.
Nov 15 12:06:07 <lcuk> thanks, that feels so much better
Nov 15 12:06:39 <lcuk> plus, now ive got space to slot in a nokia tablet
Nov 15 12:06:55 <towo> Yay \o/
Nov 15 12:10:52 <lcuk> havin half my brain splattered on the wall isnt exactly condusive to going on an adventure is it
Nov 15 12:19:48 <inz> Arrg, maemo's poll() bites
Nov 15 12:20:15 <inz> poll(..., INT_MAX - 1) works pretty much like poll(..., 0)
Nov 15 12:27:19 <lcuk> holy!! http://www.creepygif.com/image.php?i=524
Nov 15 12:35:51 <aquatix> *g* @ ``(wait up to few minutes while animation fully loads)''
Nov 15 12:50:28 <guysoft42> um, i installed  the lcars, but the damn thing wont switch back to any other themes, the splash screen and sound effects remain
Nov 15 12:51:58 <guysoft42> is there a way to get rid of it?
Nov 15 12:55:31 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: can you add "testing" component to mrrepo? Johnx said test his hildon-desktop before adding to repo but it would be nice to have it installable via apt. The users that don't want to use testing packages would only have main, contrib and non-free in their sources.list :)
Nov 15 13:08:05 <guysoft42> is there a way to install/remove multiple packages? like in synaptic?
Nov 15 13:10:36 <Meiz_n810> in xterm it is possible
Nov 15 13:11:07 <Meiz_n810> just become root, and run "apt-get install package1 package2"
Nov 15 13:11:59 <guysoft42> Meiz_n810, yes, just done that now
Nov 15 13:12:27 <Jaffa> Afternoon, all
Nov 15 13:12:34 <guysoft42> why carn't we just cross-compile synaptic?
Nov 15 13:12:55 <Meiz_n810> thanks, i can't wait to get back to home..
Nov 15 13:28:06 <Meiz_n810> umm, sorry i tought you were Stskeeps saying he added tasting component to repo :)
Nov 15 13:37:41 <sp3000> gah, navicore switches maps by moving files around?
Nov 15 13:37:50 <sp3000> that's ...awesome for backups
Nov 15 13:38:23 * sp3000 sighs
Nov 15 13:44:47 <RST38h> hehe
Nov 15 16:07:10 * lcuk puts 10p in the internet to make it go faster
Nov 15 16:07:34 <woglinde_> haha
Nov 15 16:08:01 <lcuk> woglinde, it took me about 10 minutes last night to realise what you meant by your comment
Nov 15 16:08:12 <woglinde_> uh
Nov 15 16:08:12 <johnx> at least those sprint-cogent issues have cleared up
Nov 15 16:08:20 <woglinde_> but I only had one beer
Nov 15 16:08:23 <lcuk> there were issues?
Nov 15 16:08:34 <woglinde_> and I know my english isnt the best
Nov 15 16:08:38 <lcuk> heh, i dunno how many i had had
Nov 15 16:08:51 <lcuk> one nokia thing: which of the phones are touchscreen
Nov 15 16:08:56 <johnx> a while ago they stopped transferring data to each other, and blackholed routes to the other's network
Nov 15 16:09:01 <woglinde_> none?
Nov 15 16:09:31 <qwerty12> lcuk, Nokia 5800
Nov 15 16:09:39 <lcuk> but thats a lot later
Nov 15 16:10:03 <qwerty12> lcuk, apart from that then, none.
Nov 15 16:10:04 * lcuk just felt like a pollock then :)
Nov 15 16:10:10 * lcuk knows that now
Nov 15 16:10:17 <guardian> hi
Nov 15 16:21:54 <RST38h> moo again
Nov 15 16:22:20 <johnx> hey :D
Nov 15 16:22:38 <RST38h> johnx: Any idea why would xargs fail in the latest sb2?
Nov 15 16:22:54 <johnx> define "fail"
Nov 15 16:23:10 <johnx> there's a lot of ways to use xargs incorrectly depending on the input of the program handed to it
Nov 15 16:23:16 <RST38h> I have found a similar problem report from somebody upgrading from hardy to Intrepid and there it was traced down to libc incompatibility
Nov 15 16:23:26 <RST38h> johnx: oh believe me, it is not the input. look:
Nov 15 16:23:45 <RST38h> fms@ubuntu:~/EMUL8/SlideRule/Maemo/Package$ sb2
Nov 15 16:23:45 <RST38h> [SB2 devel chinook40_armel] fms@ubuntu Package $ xargs
Nov 15 16:23:45 <RST38h> xargs: xargs.c:450: main: Assertion `bc_ctl.arg_max <= (131072-2048)' failed.
Nov 15 16:23:45 <RST38h> Aborted
Nov 15 16:23:51 <johnx> hot
Nov 15 16:25:35 <RST38h> Actual problem occurs with /opt/maemo/dists/etch/usr/bin/xargs
Nov 15 16:26:21 <johnx> is it an i386 program? what happens if you back up and copy the host's xargs in its place?
Nov 15 16:26:25 <RST38h> it is
Nov 15 16:26:37 <RST38h> I can try. Although I have already told sdk to use HOST TOOLS
Nov 15 16:26:44 <RST38h> Don't even know why I need etch
Nov 15 16:27:11 <johnx> don't look at me
Nov 15 16:27:33 * johnx gets back to compling on a machine with 64MB of RAM just to avoid all this cross compile weirdness
Nov 15 16:28:40 <RST38h> johnx: it is too-smart-for-their-own-good-engineers weirdness
Nov 15 16:29:03 <johnx> cross compiling in a world where native compiling is the norm is not easy
Nov 15 16:30:25 <lcuk> then dont cross compile
Nov 15 16:30:47 <lcuk> *yes, i know you will be waiting till the end of days for something large :P but the principle exists
Nov 15 16:30:58 <RST38h> ok, replaced xargs and it kind of worked
Nov 15 16:31:02 <RST38h> not completely...
Nov 15 16:31:14 <johnx> RST38h, what now?
Nov 15 16:31:33 <RST38h> dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code
Nov 15 16:31:33 <RST38h>  signfile sliderule_1.0.1-1_armel.changes
Nov 15 16:31:33 <RST38h> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libsb2.so.1' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
Nov 15 16:31:34 <johnx> lcuk, I use the best of all worlds :) native host and distcc to a fast x86 machine
Nov 15 16:31:45 <RST38h> but it did create the package
Nov 15 16:31:47 <lcuk> johnx, sounds nice
Nov 15 16:31:56 <RST38h> and .changes file too
Nov 15 16:32:00 <johnx> so configure runs natively, c gets compiled in a cross environment and linking happens on the native device
Nov 15 16:32:26 <lcuk> but it sitll requires a scratchbox install somewhere along the way
Nov 15 16:32:30 <johnx> nope
Nov 15 16:32:39 <johnx> just on cross toolchain on a unixy host
Nov 15 16:32:47 <johnx> s/on/one/
Nov 15 16:32:48 <infobot> johnx meant: just one cross toolchain on a unixy host
Nov 15 16:33:00 <johnx> no headers on the x86 host even
Nov 15 16:33:03 <lcuk> i thought that was what scratchbox was
Nov 15 16:33:37 <johnx> it's a whole build environment, toolchain+other stuff
Nov 15 16:33:51 <johnx> the other stuff is what causes the problems most of the time, (as in RST38h's case)
Nov 15 16:33:55 <StsN800> johnx, how's hildon doing?
Nov 15 16:34:27 <RST38h> ~curse Etch for being the fifth wheel
Nov 15 16:34:28 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Etch for being the fifth wheel !
Nov 15 16:35:32 <johnx> StsN800, attempting to bring debian's hildon-desktop package to trunk's hildon-desktop.
Nov 15 16:35:49 <StsN800> k
Nov 15 16:37:14 <johnx> hildon-initscripts and osso-af-startup are definitely not harmless
Nov 15 16:39:25 <johnx> dealing with all these env setting scripts must be an insane amount of work
Nov 15 16:41:10 <RST38h> Anybody wants a fresh Slide Rule to test?
Nov 15 16:41:37 <johnx> ya know, I don't think I ever used one
Nov 15 16:44:00 <RST38h> Now is your chance =)
Nov 15 16:44:52 <RST38h> http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/sliderule_1.0.1-1_armel.deb
Nov 15 16:45:45 <johnx> a chance relive a facsimilie of the past I never experienced in the first place? sure, why not :D
Nov 15 16:50:11 <johnx> well it's certainly colorful
Nov 15 16:50:51 <johnx> and the graph is really nice
Nov 15 16:52:02 <johnx> heeey, don't think you can trick me. this isn't a slide rule! this is one of them new fangled calcumalators isn't it?
Nov 15 16:52:32 <lcuk810> rst, link plz
Nov 15 16:54:01 <lcuk> http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/sliderule_1.0.1-1_armel.deb
Nov 15 16:54:07 * lcuk is impatient ;)
Nov 15 16:55:19 <lcuk> arghhh any reason why my browser is stuck on "Updating"
Nov 15 16:56:17 <johnx> some problem with browserd? or it's coming back from being paged out
Nov 15 16:56:42 <qwerty12> lcuk, if it's still not coming, as root: /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon force-reload
Nov 15 16:57:50 <lcuk> thanks once again qwerty, what screwed up there?
Nov 15 16:57:55 <lcuk> and why doesnt it run this itself
Nov 15 16:57:57 <lcuk> \@/
Nov 15 16:58:05 <qwerty12> lcuk, Hrm, is this on a fresh reboot?
Nov 15 16:58:19 <lcuk> nahh i havent rebooted in yonks for this one
Nov 15 16:58:42 <qwerty12> hehe, it's probably just browserd being a-retentive then
Nov 15 16:58:57 <lcuk> its eaten my console though
Nov 15 16:59:11 <qwerty12> just open a new console or close that one
Nov 15 16:59:17 <lcuk> bleugh
Nov 15 16:59:30 <johnx> wasted consoles! think of where it all goes!
Nov 15 16:59:41 * lcuk ctrl-ced it
Nov 15 17:00:01 <RST38h> johnx, lcuk: does it work?=)
Nov 15 17:00:19 <lcuk> yeah! uptime is a whole 10 days!
Nov 15 17:00:30 <johnx> RST38h, works nicely. a couple minor nitpicks
Nov 15 17:00:33 <lcuk> i dunno rst
Nov 15 17:00:37 <lcuk> sidetracked ;)
Nov 15 17:00:51 <lcuk> it was waiting on folder select -  its installed correctly
Nov 15 17:00:53 <RST38h> johnx: which ones?
Nov 15 17:01:32 <StsN800> johnx, so you neutered the init scripts or?
Nov 15 17:02:33 <johnx> RST38h, doesn't cut+paste from hildon apps, window not refreshed after home menu is popped up, would be nice to have drag to scroll on the graph (but that's a personal preference I think)
Nov 15 17:02:52 <johnx> StsN800, it seems debian gets away without them
Nov 15 17:02:53 * lcuk was thinking about the scrolling mechanism
Nov 15 17:02:57 <lcuk> is there a reason its not?
Nov 15 17:03:29 <RST38h> johnx: some of these can be granted =)
Nov 15 17:05:11 <StsN800> johnx, k
Nov 15 17:05:42 <lcuk> RST38h, numbers
Nov 15 17:06:07 <RST38h> lcuk: ?
Nov 15 17:06:08 <lcuk> on my n810 keyboard i cannot type numbers
Nov 15 17:06:14 <RST38h> weird
Nov 15 17:06:24 <RST38h> you should , really...
Nov 15 17:06:24 <StsN800> johnx, so it doesnt depend on initscripts?
Nov 15 17:06:28 <lcuk> i have to have pressed Fn
Nov 15 17:06:43 <RST38h> ah, but this is default behaviour
Nov 15 17:06:50 <lcuk> ahhh, it works if its hed down whilst pressing,but thats not normal
Nov 15 17:06:54 <johnx> StsN800, nope. They have a 30 line start-hildon script. It looks very manageable, but has some defaults hardcoded (such as theme)
Nov 15 17:07:17 <johnx> but it lets you use hildon-desktop as a session inside X, as opposed to something started by init
Nov 15 17:07:55 <StsN800> johnx, so in m-r hildon desktop it will not depend on initscripts?
Nov 15 17:08:02 <lcuk> RST38h, i cant complain, i probably have same thing
Nov 15 17:08:38 <johnx> StsN800, if I have my way, yes. Does that sound reasonable?
Nov 15 17:09:36 <StsN800> yes
Nov 15 17:10:01 <StsN800> what about run-standalone.sh?
Nov 15 17:10:05 <RST38h> lcuk: it is normal if you process keydowns rather than keyclicks
Nov 15 17:11:26 <johnx> it would be nice to have I think. but from what I understand there are advantages to having things be launched the normal hildon way (something about fork?)
Nov 15 17:11:55 <StsN800> k
Nov 15 17:13:17 <Happy0ne> hi I just got a nokia 810 yesterday and trying to setup rtcomm but can't get one of the dependencies to work
Nov 15 17:13:27 <Happy0ne> it says im missing telepathy-haze
Nov 15 17:13:34 <StsN800> johnx, we should strive towards a sane hildon startup
Nov 15 17:14:04 <Happy0ne> i got the telepathy-haze but it was version 0.1.4 and it needs 0.2.0
Nov 15 17:14:15 <johnx> StsN800, sane as in "closer to a normal DE's launch" or sane as in "close to maemo/os2008"
Nov 15 17:14:23 <StsN800> johnx, hildon is a session not the os.. think we will go by that rule
Nov 15 17:14:36 <johnx> great. I fully agree.
Nov 15 17:14:48 <GeneralAntilles> Good thinking. ;)
Nov 15 17:14:52 <johnx> those $*&%ing scripts even ate my locale settings
Nov 15 17:15:07 <GeneralAntilles> That's a god question, when are the rtcomm beta dependencies actually going to be uploaded?
Nov 15 17:15:11 <GeneralAntilles> Robot101?
Nov 15 17:15:35 <johnx> in that case, user switching can actually be handled externally to hildon with no pain
Nov 15 17:16:22 <Happy0ne> hmm, so it requires an update on the repository?
Nov 15 17:16:53 <qwerty12> Happy0ne, use this link to the installer instead of the one on the rtcomm website: http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/deb/rtcomm-beta-installer-os2008_0.7_armel.deb
Nov 15 17:17:07 <Happy0ne> thank you
Nov 15 17:17:08 <Happy0ne> will try it
Nov 15 17:17:30 <StsN800> johnx, we should investigate dm vs startx too
Nov 15 17:18:37 <johnx> StsN800, sure, but that's a fairly minor question. A low overhead "startx" init.d script that conflicts with kdm and gdm seems workable, rght?
Nov 15 17:18:43 <StsN800> deblets startx vs gdm wasnt pretty
Nov 15 17:19:04 * RST38h gets a feeling johnx and Sts have finally got to resolving the xephyr madness
Nov 15 17:19:27 <johnx> what xephyr madness?
Nov 15 17:19:31 <StsN800> hildon madness rather
Nov 15 17:20:46 <RST38h> johnx: Necessity to specifically configure and run xephyr and then use some really weird scripts to run hildon on it and run your app inside that hildon
Nov 15 17:21:07 <RST38h> ideally, it should look like typing "n810 <appname> [enter]"
Nov 15 17:21:20 <GeneralAntilles> I'm hoping hrw's emulation pans out.
Nov 15 17:21:25 <johnx> RST38h, that will still be necessary, but the scripts will be a lot more sane hopefully
Nov 15 17:21:32 <RST38h> GAN: It has already, hasn't it?
Nov 15 17:21:44 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, well, officially supported and bundled.
Nov 15 17:21:57 <RST38h> johnx: if possible, hide all this crap under a single program or script
Nov 15 17:22:01 <RST38h> That takes app name
Nov 15 17:22:24 <johnx> sorry RST38h, but I don't even use sb any more :/
Nov 15 17:22:26 <RST38h> I do not want to know anything about xephyr, just want a magical window with my program.
Nov 15 17:22:54 <johnx> I stopped seeing a reason to bother fighting with it
Nov 15 17:22:57 <RST38h> GAN: That is more unlikely than not ...
Nov 15 17:23:02 <StsN800> start-hildon, run-standalone
Nov 15 17:23:46 <StsN800> RST38h, with their focus on devel envs they might
Nov 15 17:23:49 <RST38h> start-hildon is know to shit all over the console you run it from
Nov 15 17:23:55 <RST38h> known
Nov 15 17:24:31 <johnx> that's like 10 well placed &> /dev/null away from being fixed. why not have at it?
Nov 15 17:31:15 <StsN800> RST38h, you're welcome to try and write a blueprint for a sb2 sdk
Nov 15 17:38:48 <RST38h> sts:sb2 sdk already exists
Nov 15 17:39:08 <RST38h> maemo sdk+ at garage
Nov 15 17:39:35 <johnx> debian packaging is surprisingly not that hard, just totally arcane and unintuitive
Nov 15 17:48:00 <johnx> StsN800, building hildon-desktop using the debian packaging. I'm gonna leave it overnight and get some much deserved sleep
Nov 15 18:52:26 <zakkm> If i have a motorola charger that fits into the usb part of the nokia
Nov 15 18:52:35 <zakkm> will it break my nokia to try and charge it that way?
Nov 15 18:52:53 <zakkm> says input 100V-240V -50/60Hz 0.1A
Nov 15 18:52:54 <GeneralAntilles> The tablets don't charge over USB. . . .
Nov 15 18:53:01 <zakkm> output : 5.0V -- 550mA
Nov 15 18:53:06 <zakkm> i lost my charger :(
Nov 15 18:53:21 <GeneralAntilles> Amazon sells them for something like $1.50 a piece.
Nov 15 18:53:53 <zakkm> someone from school said he'll sell me one for $10 on monday, but i need some way to charg ebefore then
Nov 15 18:54:01 <zakkm> my battery is dead and i gotta show my nokia to someone
Nov 15 18:54:27 <mikkov_> around here nokia chargers are so common that you can probably find one from the street
Nov 15 18:54:54 * RST38h would suggest against plugging motorola charger into random gadgets: Motorola is known for "special" chargers
Nov 15 18:55:10 <zakkm> k i wont try
Nov 15 18:57:05 <LinuxCode> you dont plug random bodyparts into random sockets
Nov 15 18:57:09 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Nov 15 18:57:31 <LinuxCode> <-- plugged his fingers into a power socket when he was a kid
Nov 15 18:57:35 <LinuxCode> lesson for life
Nov 15 18:57:39 <LinuxCode> lol
Nov 15 18:57:57 * zakkm touched the metal part of the plug.. while inserting a gadget
Nov 15 18:57:59 <zakkm> to a outlot
Nov 15 18:58:01 <zakkm> outlet*
Nov 15 18:58:12 <RST38h> weaklings! =)
Nov 15 18:58:16 * zakkm with his fingers
Nov 15 18:58:19 <LinuxCode> RST38h, lol
Nov 15 18:58:38 * RST38h tried to straighten out an oscilloscope power cable pins once while the other end of the cable was plugged into 220V
Nov 15 18:58:48 <LinuxCode> RST38h, lol
Nov 15 18:58:50 <RST38h> had burn marks for the next 3 months or so
Nov 15 18:59:06 <LinuxCode> no proper fuse box ?
Nov 15 18:59:32 <RST38h> the definition of "proper" was different that time and place
Nov 15 18:59:49 <zakkm> 1901? :P
Nov 15 19:00:20 <Meiz_n810> ~bitchslap Segmentation Fault
Nov 15 19:00:20 * infobot beats the sh*t out of Segmentation Fault
Nov 15 19:00:21 <RST38h> a bit later than that
Nov 15 19:01:03 <Meiz_n810> Why i got segmentation fault when i try to use lxde.
Nov 15 19:01:26 <Meiz_n810> (okay i know the reason: i compiled it)
Nov 15 19:01:32 <RST38h> Hehehehehe: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081110/tv_nm/us_fcc_digitalcrash
Nov 15 19:02:00 <RST38h> Meiz: compile with -g, make it drop core dump, load into gdb and type "bt"
Nov 15 19:02:15 <RST38h> you will get a stack backtrace of function calls that led to the crash
Nov 15 19:02:26 <StsN800> Meiz_n810, lxde or?
Nov 15 19:03:07 <zakkm> whats the point in compiling for it?
Nov 15 19:03:12 <zakkm> if theres already a binary
Nov 15 19:03:21 <zakkm> for nokia's...
Nov 15 19:03:28 <Meiz_n810> StsN800: i compiled lxlauncher for m-r, everytime i try to start i got Segmentation Fault
Nov 15 19:04:06 <StsN800> zakkm, we're doing experimental work
Nov 15 19:04:10 <Meiz_n810> compiled it from debian sources using dpkg-buildpackage -b
Nov 15 19:04:23 <zakkm> i wanna join in sometime :)
Nov 15 19:05:14 <Meiz_n810> zakkm: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/m-r
Nov 15 19:05:14 <StsN800> Meiz_n810, using lxsession?
Nov 15 19:05:30 <Meiz_n810> no, i first tried it in chroot
Nov 15 19:05:41 <Meiz_n810> could that be it?
Nov 15 19:05:50 <StsN800> yeah
Nov 15 19:05:55 <Meiz_n810> ookay
Nov 15 19:06:00 <Meiz_n810> thanks :)
Nov 15 19:06:24 <Meiz_n810> i fail to compile lxpanel
Nov 15 19:06:38 <zakkm> wow, getting close
Nov 15 19:07:20 <zakkm> i can make you guys a compile slave out of my old atom 1.6ghz if it'll help progress
Nov 15 19:07:58 <zakkm> not much, but all i got. ( high school student )
Nov 15 19:08:55 <Meiz_n810> Sts and johnx are devenlopers, ask them for more information, i am now training some compiling =P
Nov 15 19:10:23 <RST38h> 1.6ghz atom is considered old now?
Nov 15 19:10:25 <RST38h> hm
Nov 15 19:10:30 <zakkm> lol
Nov 15 19:10:32 <zakkm> old pc of mine..
Nov 15 19:10:35 <zakkm> not old pc in general
Nov 15 19:10:42 <zakkm> its the d945gclf :P
Nov 15 19:10:51 <zakkm> mini-ITX :D
Nov 15 19:11:44 <zakkm> i was going to turn it into a media server for my nokia, but that still leaves alot of unused cpu and stuff
Nov 15 19:12:06 <zakkm> oh yeah, does ssh -X work on the nokia?
Nov 15 19:13:06 <StsN800> try to look into n8x0 emulation, always helpful, zakkm
Nov 15 19:13:44 <zakkm> StsN800, would it be helpful to make a "server" for you guys?
Nov 15 19:14:17 <zakkm> base install whatever you want, with ssh access
Nov 15 19:14:29 <StsN800> well experimental work is what really helps
Nov 15 19:14:50 <zakkm> im no good at too tech stuff work
Nov 15 19:15:41 <StsN800> sec
Nov 15 19:17:00 <zakkm> how is Poky on the n800?
Nov 15 19:17:42 <GeneralAntilles> Last time I tried it really wasn't all that exciting.
Nov 15 19:17:55 <zakkm> is it worth trying?
Nov 15 19:18:21 <zakkm> functional, battery lasts long in it?
Nov 15 19:18:43 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, it wasn't day-to-day usable last time I tried.
Nov 15 19:18:50 <StsN800> i think only maemo gets battery life cirrect
Nov 15 19:19:01 <StsN800> ok. how
Nov 15 19:19:05 <RST38h> the only day-to-day usable setup on n8x0 is Maemo
Nov 15 19:19:09 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder about Poky as a DE option on top of m-r.
Nov 15 19:19:25 <StsN800> do you paste in xchat?
Nov 15 19:19:26 <zakkm> how "hard" is it to dualboot poky?
Nov 15 19:19:36 <GeneralAntilles> StsN800, vkb menu?
Nov 15 19:19:48 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think the kernels are compatible
Nov 15 19:19:49 <StsN800> oh there
Nov 15 19:20:11 <RST38h> Sts: menu option or Ctrl+V
Nov 15 19:20:11 <jagernot> would anybody like to try the latest version of my audio synth http://www.poojyum.com/boxar ; comments/feature requests welcome :)
Nov 15 19:20:26 <Meiz_n810> updated?
Nov 15 19:20:37 <zakkm> Is poky hard to install?
Nov 15 19:20:42 <jagernot> mei: yep fixed multiple notes
Nov 15 19:20:51 <Meiz_n810> okay
Nov 15 19:20:52 <jagernot> and also added rhythmic strumming
Nov 15 19:21:02 <StsN800> zakkm, http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/armel/ - try to get this emu image running
Nov 15 19:21:22 <zakkm> im on mac currently ;p
Nov 15 19:21:28 <jagernot> Rhythm menu doesnt work yet..u have to use keyboard short cuts ...press esc key to change rhythm, press - and + to change bpm
Nov 15 19:21:34 <jagernot> Scale menu works
Nov 15 19:21:42 <StsN800> zakkm, your atom :P
Nov 15 19:21:52 <zakkm> yeah thats sitting on the floor under my bed
Nov 15 19:21:57 <StsN800> k
Nov 15 19:21:59 <zakkm> as a motherboard alone
Nov 15 19:22:13 <zakkm> i was going to just build it.. attach to wall outlet, install debian or whatver you wanted
Nov 15 19:22:22 <zakkm> and ssh .. and give you root access
Nov 15 19:22:25 <zakkm> that was all..
Nov 15 19:22:37 <zakkm> and leave it to do "whatever" you wanted
Nov 15 19:22:40 <Meiz_n810> jagernot: you are doing great work, i love it!
Nov 15 19:23:02 <zakkm> my idea wasnt to get involved in developing, just offer my pc as a "slave" for you guys
Nov 15 19:23:13 <jagernot> thanks mei: you can hide the menu if u like by pressing top left corner key...F6 i think
Nov 15 19:23:15 <RST38h> zakkm: We all have PCs
Nov 15 19:23:29 <StsN800> zakkm, k - though you are more than welcome to participate in testing such
Nov 15 19:23:39 <zakkm> i know, but this way it could all be centered on my pc
Nov 15 19:23:44 <zakkm> which everyone will have access
Nov 15 19:23:46 <RST38h> Although the idea of having one for quick collaborative compiles is probably not that bad
Nov 15 19:23:50 <zakkm> rather than sending eachother files,
Nov 15 19:24:20 <zakkm> the whole "maemo-reconstuct" lets say could be on it.. and you guys could edit at the same times, multiple files
Nov 15 19:24:28 <RST38h> Where multiple people can log in under the same account and work on some quick project ( like "recompiling qalculate")
Nov 15 19:24:33 <zakkm> and download backups, from a cron script
Nov 15 19:24:43 <jagernot> Mei:press the direction pad button turns off the menu
Nov 15 19:24:50 <zakkm> rather than being like ohh i edited qaculate.c and im going to send to you now.. oo wait guys who has ___
Nov 15 19:25:16 <jagernot> Mei: press the Esc button to get urself a new strumming pattern, then use - and + to change its bpm to speed it up or slow it down
Nov 15 19:25:36 <Meiz_n810> ok
Nov 15 19:26:00 <zakkm> RST38h: yeah
Nov 15 19:27:26 <Meiz_n810> jagenot: when i press esc, the only thing happens is that sound starts lagging.
Nov 15 19:28:18 <lcuk2> *rolleyes* at lost missus
Nov 15 19:28:49 <GeneralAntilles> TrayTray needs a TrayTray?
Nov 15 19:28:49 <lcuk2> she has n810, she has map license, she has lock
Nov 15 19:28:56 <lcuk2> she got to destination
Nov 15 19:29:15 <lcuk2> she left the fudging thing switched on all afternoon guiding her round the conference centre in her handbag
Nov 15 19:29:25 <lcuk2> now shes lost
Nov 15 19:29:35 <StsN800> hehe
Nov 15 19:29:43 <jagernot> Mei: no that is a rhythm pattern...now press + to speed it up..for trance like effect :)
Nov 15 19:29:47 <lcuk2> actually, shes not that far off, just an extra 30 or so miles
Nov 15 19:29:56 <lcuk2> hi there jager
Nov 15 19:29:57 <jagernot> lcuk: hi i have a new version that u might like :)
Nov 15 19:30:13 <jagernot> lcuk: its got scales and rhythm patterns
Nov 15 19:30:24 <jagernot> lcuk: http://www.poojyum.com/boxar
Nov 15 19:30:27 <lcuk2> i didnt like the one you made the other day :P it was too warbly oooh ill try the shiny errrrr whiny?
Nov 15 19:31:02 <lcuk2> i havent done anything at all with liqbase in the last couple of days, just spent time thinking aobut everything
Nov 15 19:31:30 <jagernot> lcuk: im soldiering on with gtk/gdk at the moment
Nov 15 19:31:36 <Raytray> ?
Nov 15 19:31:39 <lcuk2> yeah
Nov 15 19:31:55 <Raytray> antilles?
Nov 15 19:32:05 <GeneralAntilles> Raytray, what the hell is your problem?
Nov 15 19:32:08 <GeneralAntilles> Everybody hates you.
Nov 15 19:32:12 <GeneralAntilles> Go away.
Nov 15 19:32:18 <Raytray> :(
Nov 15 19:32:22 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Nov 15 19:32:35 <lcuk2> GeneralAntilles, :S as the head of the community thats a very poor attitude
Nov 15 19:32:49 * GeneralAntilles pats Raytray on the shoulder.
Nov 15 19:32:54 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk2, we know eachother. ;)
Nov 15 19:33:08 <Raytray> Who the hell are you?
Nov 15 19:33:12 <Raytray> :p
Nov 15 19:33:23 <GeneralAntilles> Not a quitter like you. :P
Nov 15 19:33:36 <RST38h> A decider then?
Nov 15 19:33:38 <Raytray> Pssh, you don't even play anymore.
Nov 15 19:33:46 <GeneralAntilles> I played yesterday.
Nov 15 19:33:56 <Raytray> :p
Nov 15 19:46:06 <GeneralAntilles> Ahaha
Nov 15 19:46:17 <GeneralAntilles> Asus R50A == $1878
Nov 15 19:48:55 <GeneralAntilles> The problem with portable devices that expensive is that you can't take them out of the house.
Nov 15 19:49:12 <GeneralAntilles> Having a $400 tablet lost or stolen is one thing. . . .
Nov 15 19:53:41 <Meiz_n810> StsN800: where can i get perl 5.x for m-r? lxpanel won't compile without it...
Nov 15 19:54:06 <StsN800> Meiz_n810, should be part of base system
Nov 15 19:54:41 <shapr> Hey, how do I remap a bluetooth keyboard? Can I use .xmodmap files from my desktop?
Nov 15 19:54:44 <disco_stu> GeneralAntilles: not to mention that here in my country
Nov 15 19:54:45 <Meiz_n810> perl is newest version, but that seems to not be enough
Nov 15 19:55:12 <disco_stu> where people stole even your shoes if they are fancy
Nov 15 19:56:45 <shapr> Aha, I found what I need: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/
Nov 15 19:57:26 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: "configure: error: perl 5.x required for intltool" I have 5.8 so what can i do?
Nov 15 19:58:27 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, ping.
Nov 15 19:59:59 <StsN800> Meiz_n810, perl-dev maybe
Nov 15 20:00:09 <Meiz_n810> ok
Nov 15 21:50:44 <jagernot> hello..im trying to debianise my package and running into trouble..
Nov 15 21:51:57 <jagernot> ive gotten this far: http://pastebin.com/d5c0af55b
Nov 15 21:56:39 <woglinde_> jagernot copy the original.tar from one dir above to another place
Nov 15 21:56:44 <woglinde_> aeh move
Nov 15 22:00:12 <jagernot> woglinde: will try thanks
Nov 15 22:13:16 * Stskeeps stretches and yawns
Nov 15 22:14:01 <Guysoft42> hey. i seem to be having a bug this instant, where the load cursor is stuck on the normal cursor
Nov 15 22:14:19 <Guysoft42> its useful!!
Nov 15 22:14:28 <Stskeeps> thewhat?
Nov 15 22:15:01 <qwerty12_N800> Guysoft42, you know the normal arrow cursor can be enabled right?:p
Nov 15 22:15:33 <Guysoft42> the cursor is visable
Nov 15 22:15:49 <Guysoft42> ah, just stoped
Nov 15 22:16:30 <Guysoft42> qwerty how?
Nov 15 22:16:39 <Guysoft42> q
Nov 15 22:17:23 <Guysoft42> and i still miss the tab button here
Nov 15 22:17:29 <qwerty12_N800> Guysoft42, as root, open /home/user/.icons/default/index.theme in a text editor and comment out the inherits line and reboot
Nov 15 22:17:52 * Guysoft42 wants to complete nicknames on irc
Nov 15 22:25:38 <Guysoft42> qwerty12_N800, ah got it..
Nov 15 22:38:12 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: will a reflash wipe out lock code?
Nov 15 22:38:27 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, merely disables it
Nov 15 22:38:48 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 15 22:43:42 <LinuxCode> the hildon lock code ?
Nov 15 22:46:18 <jagernot> im trying to make a .deb out of my program and running into trouble.
Nov 15 22:46:26 <jagernot> ive gotten this far: http://pastebin.com/d5c0af55b
Nov 15 22:46:53 <jagernot> woglinde: if i removed those orig.tar.gz files..the .deb file builds but cant install in app manager
Nov 15 22:46:58 <woglinde> jagernot I told you hat to do
Nov 15 22:47:15 <woglinde> jagernot not right
Nov 15 22:47:26 <woglinde> provide a sane .desktop file
Nov 15 22:47:49 <qwerty12_N800> jagernot, what's the section in control?
Nov 15 22:47:53 <jagernot> where can i find a .desktop file
Nov 15 22:47:56 <jagernot> user/other?
Nov 15 22:48:30 <woglinde> qwerty12_N800 args right
Nov 15 22:48:32 <woglinde> sorry
Nov 15 22:48:34 <qwerty12_N800> oh, that's fine
Nov 15 22:48:38 <woglinde> desktop was only for menu
Nov 15 22:48:53 <woglinde> yeah control file for app manager
Nov 15 22:52:07 <jagernot> ?
Nov 15 22:52:16 <jagernot> any ideas pls
Nov 15 22:52:42 <woglinde> put the right section in control file
Nov 15 22:52:51 <woglinde> as qwerty says
Nov 15 22:53:11 <jagernot> i have user/other is that wrong?
Nov 15 22:53:42 <qwerty12_N800> user/other is fine.
Nov 15 22:54:28 <GeneralAntilles> For now
Nov 15 22:54:44 <jagernot> i can install it within scratchbox itself
Nov 15 22:55:02 <jagernot> with fakeroot dpkg -i boxar_1.0-1.armel.deb
Nov 15 22:55:34 <woglinde> jagernot right
Nov 15 22:55:46 <woglinde> you can do dpkg -i on the tablet too
Nov 15 22:55:58 <jagernot> wont i need root?
Nov 15 22:55:58 <woglinde> yi you are root
Nov 15 22:56:04 <woglinde> args
Nov 15 22:56:19 <woglinde> hehe my keys seems to change at random
Nov 15 22:56:27 <jagernot> i am root when i run that command?
Nov 15 22:57:35 <GeneralAntilles> user/other is technically invalid and the moment and will be totally invalid once the new Application Manager ships.
Nov 15 22:57:48 <GeneralAntilles> s/and/at/
Nov 15 22:57:49 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: user/other is technically invalid at the moment and will be totally invalid once the new Application Manager ships.
Nov 15 22:58:18 <GeneralAntilles> So, nobody around who can provide no_NO, pt_PT, or sv_SE?
Nov 15 23:00:07 <woglinde> GeneralAntilles haha grep it from your host system
Nov 15 23:00:15 <woglinde> grap
Nov 15 23:01:56 <jagernot> ok wow now i have it installed but i cant see it on extras or any other section :(
Nov 15 23:02:07 <jagernot> and if i type the command name on xterm it says not found
Nov 15 23:02:21 <woglinde> ?????
Nov 15 23:02:31 <woglinde> did you copy it to the tablet?
Nov 15 23:02:50 <woglinde> whats dpkg -L yourpackagename saying?
Nov 15 23:02:51 <jagernot> yes copied the .deb to the internal memory card
Nov 15 23:03:03 * Stskeeps sends off the "What apps did you have to give up on trying to port to maemo" post and eagerly awaits results.
Nov 15 23:03:20 <Stskeeps> either that or a huge flame war about surveys..
Nov 15 23:03:59 * GeneralAntilles pours lighter fluid on Stskeeps for good measure.
Nov 15 23:04:22 <Stskeeps> yay inflammable
Nov 15 23:04:53 <Stskeeps> but anyway, it might highlight some generic issues
Nov 15 23:05:16 <Stskeeps> and may answer the question "why is there a lack of apps for maemo" :P
Nov 15 23:05:46 <GeneralAntilles> Because of the secret Nokia conspiracy to keep the community down.
Nov 15 23:06:19 <GeneralAntilles> Dude, grammar check. :P
Nov 15 23:06:22 <Stskeeps> ..
Nov 15 23:06:23 <Stskeeps> sorry
Nov 15 23:06:26 <jagernot> woglinde: it shows its installed in /boxar
Nov 15 23:06:35 <woglinde> what?
Nov 15 23:06:37 <Stskeeps> i need a secretary
Nov 15 23:06:49 <woglinde> jagernot you screwed up something
Nov 15 23:06:58 <woglinde> and didnt understand how packaging wokrs
Nov 15 23:06:59 <jagernot> woglinde: yeah i can sense that :)
Nov 15 23:07:04 <woglinde> and where to install stuff
Nov 15 23:07:29 <jagernot> uninstalling should undo that?
Nov 15 23:08:16 <woglinde> jagernot right
Nov 15 23:08:24 <woglinde> thats the sense of a package
Nov 15 23:08:28 <woglinde> clean remove of stuff
Nov 15 23:09:25 <jagernot> nice
Nov 15 23:09:32 <jagernot> how on earth could i have put it in /boxar
Nov 15 23:09:34 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: which is why i'm not that good at the community interaction, i prefer to do insane things in my lab and leave the external discussion to others to fend for my insane ideas ;)
Nov 15 23:10:13 <jagernot> what is the $DESTDIR
Nov 15 23:10:21 <jagernot> hmm yes i think $DESTDIR was null
Nov 15 23:10:30 <jagernot> so it installed in /boxar
Nov 15 23:10:30 <Stskeeps> not when dpkg-buildpackageing
Nov 15 23:10:57 <jagernot> what should i set the $DESTDIR to? where can i set it?
Nov 15 23:11:13 <woglinde> jagernot look into an othr package
Nov 15 23:11:14 <Stskeeps> DESTDIR is set when calling your Makefile..
Nov 15 23:11:21 <woglinde> apt-get source packageyoulike
Nov 15 23:11:59 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, just one re-read. It'll do wonders. :P
Nov 15 23:12:03 <jagernot> ok i have picked up hello world
Nov 15 23:12:57 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: i did one =P
Nov 15 23:13:08 <Stskeeps> my english has really been slipping lately, dunno why
Nov 15 23:13:09 <GeneralAntilles> OK, four. ;)
Nov 15 23:15:01 <Stskeeps> fine, next time i'll send it by you :P
Nov 15 23:15:11 <Stskeeps> (a local grammar nazi is always good to have.)
Nov 15 23:15:16 <jagernot> man im struggling with this...one can write an app but to not get it installed this sucks
Nov 15 23:15:57 <GeneralAntilles> I'm always up for copy-editing. :)
Nov 15 23:16:47 <Stskeeps> anyway, i think it might be interesting to see the results/answers to this.. atleast it will help document there is a need for some change in some areas of the platform
Nov 15 23:17:03 <Stskeeps> +if
Nov 15 23:19:58 * Stskeeps heads to bed
Nov 15 23:20:13 <GeneralAntilles> 'night
Nov 15 23:20:17 <woglinde> nite Stskeeps
Nov 15 23:36:50 <jagernot> wow i have now installed my app in /usr/bin but it wont show up in extras from the menu..i can only launch from the cmd line. how do i bring it up in the menu?
Nov 15 23:38:32 <GeneralAntilles> Need a .desktop file.
Nov 15 23:40:04 <jagernot> dpkg will use that if i provided one?
Nov 15 23:41:07 <woglinde> jagernot no hildon will used it
Nov 15 23:41:12 <woglinde> dpkg only installs
Nov 15 23:41:16 <woglinde> or deinstalls
Nov 15 23:42:19 <jagernot> where should that file be for hildon to use it. who will put that file. sorry for newbie questions
Nov 15 23:43:37 <qwerty12_N800> You make the file. it goes in /usr/share/applications/hildon
Nov 15 23:46:19 <woglinde> jagernot apt-get source qtnx
Nov 15 23:46:30 <woglinde> there is an desktop file I wrote
Nov 15 23:46:51 <jagernot> thanks woglinde
Nov 15 23:46:52 <woglinde> you should copy it over tune for your programm
Nov 15 23:47:51 <jagernot> woglinde: unable to find source package qtnx says the program
Nov 15 23:48:17 <woglinde> ah
Nov 15 23:48:27 <woglinde> because my package is in extras-devel
Nov 15 23:49:02 <jagernot> hmm
Nov 15 23:49:05 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints
Nov 15 23:49:06 <jagernot> so how do i get it?
Nov 15 23:49:16 <GeneralAntilles> Can somebody read through that quickly and tell me what needs detail?
Nov 15 23:49:38 <GeneralAntilles> I'm going to expand the IRC outline a bit.
Nov 15 23:51:53 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800 is such an evil haxer. :P
Nov 15 23:53:20 <qwerty12_N800> :P. Austin Che even wrote a program to do it which does it using a cleaner method then what I done in that initfs :P
Nov 15 23:54:27 <GeneralAntilles> I'm with Qole
Nov 15 23:54:31 <GeneralAntilles> ban qwerty12.
Nov 15 23:55:33 <qwerty12_N800> I'll come back... players like me don't die, we multiply :P
Nov 15 23:55:57 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12 the hydra
Nov 15 23:56:00 <qwerty12_N800> I doubt Reggie cares anyway.
Nov 15 23:56:51 <qwerty12_N800> (*hopeful*)
Nov 16 00:00:45 <lcuk2> GeneralAntilles, do you believe in open source and ensuring public access to code and processes?
Nov 16 00:01:10 <lcuk2> or would you prefer a prorietary locked down system with secrets?
Nov 16 00:01:14 <woglinde> lcuk I do
Nov 16 00:01:24 <GeneralAntilles> I believe in banning qwerty12. :P
Nov 16 00:02:09 <GeneralAntilles> Odd timing, lcuk2, I was just poking at https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com#Introduction_to_open_source
Nov 16 00:02:19 <lcuk2> heh
Nov 16 00:02:30 <GeneralAntilles> What provoked the question?
Nov 16 00:02:48 <GeneralAntilles> I'd've figured my beliefs would be fairly clear.
Nov 16 00:02:57 <lcuk2> you wanting to ban qwerty for posting open source documentation for resetting a password
Nov 16 00:03:14 <GeneralAntilles> You missed the big giant KIDDING tags. :)
Nov 16 00:03:16 <lcuk2> (if it is open anyway)
Nov 16 00:03:26 <qwerty12_N800> how can i be banned if the only rule is no personal attacks? :p. And i remember the sd_proto stuff (and we are still here)
Nov 16 00:03:43 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk2, don't take things I say so seriously.
Nov 16 00:04:18 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk2, text2screen -t `strings /dev/mtd1ro | grep [0-9] | grep -v [a-zA-Z@] | tail -c 7` -s 5 - the "magic" line
Nov 16 00:04:22 <lcuk2> i try not to GeneralAntilles, must be extra grottyness and tiredness from mey side
Nov 16 00:04:30 <lcuk2> :O
Nov 16 00:04:35 <GeneralAntilles> If something seems extreme or out of character, it's usually because I'm joking and you either missed the humor or don't know the full story.
Nov 16 00:04:46 <lcuk2> :O / ignore qwerty12 my eyes, the goggles they do nothing
Nov 16 00:05:00 <qwerty12_N800> lol *grin*
Nov 16 00:05:04 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800, YOU knew I was kidding, right?
Nov 16 00:05:30 <qwerty12_N800> GeneralAntilles, No. i thought you meant it :(. *cries*
Nov 16 00:05:50 <woglinde> GeneralAntilles do you ban now all who did read the line qewerty was posting?
Nov 16 00:06:00 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk2, I was poking fun fun at Qole for http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242288&postcount=14
Nov 16 00:06:55 <GeneralAntilles> woglinde, dunno, did you? ;)
Nov 16 00:06:57 <lcuk2> yes and my reply was in part to qole
Nov 16 00:07:08 <lcuk2> tso just summed it up :)
Nov 16 00:07:52 <qwerty12_N800> easy-deb-chroot gives me access to cracking tools that i haven't bothered to compile :p. should he be nominated for a ban? :P
Nov 16 00:07:55 <lcuk2> i surprise myself at how much of an OSS mindset ive gotten this year
Nov 16 00:08:21 * GeneralAntilles raises his iced tea to lcuk2.
Nov 16 00:08:41 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you's been spiking your food with mood-altering drugs. :P
Nov 16 00:08:45 <lcuk2> lol
Nov 16 00:09:11 <GeneralAntilles> "Transparency, flexibility, diversity, emancipation..."
Nov 16 00:09:25 * qwerty12_N800 before I had a tablet. Open source is nice but i like commercial apps more.
Nov 16 00:09:25 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not loving the use of emancipation
Nov 16 00:09:40 * qwerty12_N800 now. open source everything!
Nov 16 00:09:50 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Nov 16 00:09:50 <lcuk2> the source does not matter
Nov 16 00:10:00 <GeneralAntilles> That confused me greatly until you added the second line.
Nov 16 00:10:12 <GeneralAntilles> s/./:/
Nov 16 00:10:14 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: That confused me greatly until you added the second line:
Nov 16 00:10:24 <GeneralAntilles> Die, infobot, die.
Nov 16 00:11:02 <GeneralAntilles> Sourciness doesn't matter to most people until they actually benefit from it directly.
Nov 16 00:11:30 <woglinde> ~snackbot
Nov 16 00:11:31 * infobot gobbles up tarzeau.
Nov 16 00:11:36 <woglinde> fine
Nov 16 00:11:43 <GeneralAntilles> Just like the vast majority of people don't care what language a program is written in.
Nov 16 00:12:49 <qwerty12_N800> I know :(. I have to admit, not a lot (release wise) gets done with the source that is released :/
Nov 16 00:13:00 <qwerty12_N800> infobot, eat woglinde
Nov 16 00:13:01 * infobot eats woglinde and falls over dead
Nov 16 00:13:09 <lcuk2> the source is most useful after an app becomes stale
Nov 16 00:13:24 <GeneralAntilles> It's tough to reach that critical mass.
Nov 16 00:14:03 <GeneralAntilles> The people with the skills to dive into a project and contribute something useful to its code are few and far between
Nov 16 00:14:16 <GeneralAntilles> and usually already occupied by their own projects.
Nov 16 00:14:24 <lcuk2> it was this part which marius taught me whilst i was in berlin.  he wants the source just so he can poke and try to fix something rather than sitting there with futile bemusement at why a problem is occuring
Nov 16 00:14:34 <jagernot> has anybody seen that ironical ad from ibm? stop talking. start doing. :)
Nov 16 00:15:50 <lcuk2> GeneralAntilles, agreed about own projects - its just not worth the extra hassle to dive in and take over
Nov 16 00:16:16 <GeneralAntilles> Quim's got 3 days to finish up https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Texts_for_maemo.nokia.com
Nov 16 00:16:20 * GeneralAntilles wishes him luck. <_<
Nov 16 00:27:08 <lcuk810> why am i here?
Nov 16 00:27:17 <woglinde> dontknow
Nov 16 00:27:28 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Nov 16 00:27:35 <GeneralAntilles> I suppose that wasn't an existential question.
Nov 16 00:27:36 <lcuk2> i just picked it up
Nov 16 00:28:23 <lcuk> noticed the little icon was flashing
Nov 16 00:44:12 <lcuk> oh pussbagged tossed salad lite mayonnaise beggin strips
Nov 16 00:44:30 <GeneralAntilles> OK then
Nov 16 00:44:31 <lcuk> komodo edit lost my settings
Nov 16 00:44:35 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Nov 16 00:44:57 <lcuk> my code looks pants
Nov 16 00:45:15 <lcuk> i spent a good long time crafting the settings for that to work nicely
Nov 16 01:46:26 * lcuk watches terminator
Nov 16 01:48:12 <qnr-lt> is there a way to turn the boot splash screen off so I can see what is causing my n800 to reboot continuously on power-up?
Nov 16 01:48:35 <lcuk> qnr-lt, the splash is not just a cover
Nov 16 01:49:01 <lcuk> i think its possible to replace it with bootmsgs, but its quite an indepth thing i believe, so never followed the thread
Nov 16 01:49:01 <qnr-lt> ok
Nov 16 01:49:16 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting
Nov 16 01:49:17 <qnr-lt> I see
Nov 16 01:49:45 <qnr-lt> thanks, I'll check it out, but I kind of doubt it will help if I can't boot in the first place
Nov 16 01:50:20 <qnr-lt> well, technically, I can boot, to the internal flash, but not to mmc2
Nov 16 01:50:28 <GeneralAntilles> Then mount mmc2 and fix it.
Nov 16 01:50:47 <GeneralAntilles> I'd start by fscking
Nov 16 01:51:22 <qnr-lt> that's on the agenda, I was just on this computer trying to ssh over to it, so I thought I'd ask
Nov 16 01:52:15 <qnr-lt> unlikely TBH (the fsck) - I probably screwed up and caused a confict (ran apt-get update and was rebooting)
Nov 16 01:54:38 <qnr-lt> actually, I mean I ran apt-get upgrade
Nov 16 02:02:01 * qnr-lt isn't too worried anyway, getting a 16gb class 6 in Monday, destined for use as mmc2
Nov 16 02:39:55 <mdg_> hello!
Nov 16 02:40:43 <mdg_> I have a 770 with OS2007, trying to set it up with WPA - cannot connect
Nov 16 02:42:03 <mdg_> Is there a screen timeout setting I need to adjust or something?
Nov 16 02:43:10 <mdg_> local-link ip somthing .....?
Nov 16 02:51:04 <camel_liu> hi, everyone
Nov 16 02:53:19 <camel_liu> I want to control gstreamer stream playing in my SDL app. Can I receive EOS message in the SDL loop?
Nov 16 02:55:52 <camel_liu> If I don't run g_main_loop_run, can my callback of gst_bus_add_watch receive thenmessage?
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