**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 23 02:59:57 2008
Nov 23 03:00:40 <z4chh> soap?
Nov 23 03:38:44 <soap> yes?
Nov 23 03:38:55 <soap> z4chh, I only ask because I am in Columbus.
Nov 23 03:47:27 <bef0rd> hi
Nov 23 03:53:37 <z4chh> i live near Dayton, Ohio
Nov 23 03:56:12 <makak> Hi !
Nov 23 03:59:29 <GeneralAntilles> Hello
Nov 23 04:14:39 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right, it's our fault for the flamewar.
Nov 23 04:14:52 <GeneralAntilles> Hopefully that'll end it, anyway.
Nov 23 04:18:04 <jmspeex> can anyone tell me what "usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable" means (from flasher-3.0) and why that left me with a bricked N800?
Nov 23 04:18:28 <GeneralAntilles> Actually bricked?
Nov 23 04:18:35 <GeneralAntilles> Or just "bricked"?
Nov 23 04:18:40 <jmspeex> "bricked"
Nov 23 04:18:48 <GeneralAntilles> Try flashing again?
Nov 23 04:19:07 <jmspeex> same result
Nov 23 04:19:17 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Nov 23 04:20:12 <jmspeex> Just after the sending initrf, I get "Write failed after 0 bytes" and then the "usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable"
Nov 23 06:01:37 <qnr-lt> <sigh> I'm wasting way too many hours on this, I hope I don't get pissed and throw my N800 against the wall
Nov 23 06:02:06 <qnr-lt> I just can't figure out what is causing the stupid thing to continually reboot
Nov 23 06:03:42 <qnr-lt> stupid in an "it's frustrating" sense, I don't really think it's stupid
Nov 23 06:05:58 <GeneralAntilles> Reflash?
Nov 23 06:06:02 <GeneralAntilles> Clearly there's something wrong
Nov 23 06:06:35 <qnr-lt> well, actually the flash works ok, it's mmc2
Nov 23 06:06:49 <GeneralAntilles> Then re-clone
Nov 23 06:07:41 <qnr-lt> I've done it about 18 times, and used known good backups.... it works fine until I install "something" either manually or from the backups
Nov 23 06:08:13 <qnr-lt> and I never know what does it, because it doesn't start until the first power up after the installs
Nov 23 06:08:24 <GeneralAntilles> Sure it's not a broken SD card?
Nov 23 06:09:00 <qnr-lt> well, it could be, but fsck doesn't show anything
Nov 23 06:10:44 <qnr-lt> I'll give that a try, but IIRC, this is actually the second SD Card I've tried (it gets jumbled after 18-20 time
Nov 23 06:10:46 <qnr-lt> s
Nov 23 06:12:02 <qnr-lt> part of the confusion is due to the fact that I've also repartitioned and reformatted the a couple of times, just in case - might have been one card or two <shrug>
Nov 23 08:55:29 <citylights> hi , I am taking a java course and wanted to use my N800
Nov 23 08:55:40 <GeneralAntilles> jalimo
Nov 23 08:55:41 <citylights> I downloaded cacao
Nov 23 08:55:57 <citylights> when I run javac Main.java I get an error
Nov 23 08:56:13 <citylights> sorry I downloaded jailmo
Nov 23 08:57:14 <citylights> /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected
Nov 23 08:57:39 <qwerty12> You can't run a "pc" program on the N800's processor.
Nov 23 08:57:51 <citylights> hi qwerty
Nov 23 08:57:55 <qwerty12> hi citylights
Nov 23 08:58:08 <citylights> hi qwerty
Nov 23 08:58:29 <citylights> hi qwerty I really like to do the chores on my device
Nov 23 08:58:54 <makak> hi
Nov 23 08:59:00 <qwerty12> I'd like to help you but I know jack all when it comes to java on the tablets :/
Nov 23 08:59:00 <RST38h> citylight: please do "file /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao" and tell us what it prints
Nov 23 09:00:03 * RST38h asks the Great Cthulhu to harvest the last remaining Java fanatics and eat their brains...wait, what? No brains? Go for the liver then.
Nov 23 09:00:12 <citylights> file not found ...
Nov 23 09:00:38 <citylights> btw I am at the java class NOW
Nov 23 09:01:12 <RST38h> citylights: Please, relay my prayer to your instructor. It will make him feel better, trust me.
Nov 23 09:01:43 <citylights> ok, I will try to reinstall and have cacao on my device.
Nov 23 09:01:48 <RST38h> Anyways, you can't have a "syntax error" message from a file that does not exist, so something is wrong
Nov 23 09:02:03 <qwerty12> RST38h, the program file isn't installed
Nov 23 09:02:04 <citylights> we are at double=5.0/2.0
Nov 23 09:02:09 <RST38h> Are you typing "file /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao" on the same device where you tried running it?
Nov 23 09:02:20 <citylights> yes I m
Nov 23 09:02:25 <RST38h> qwerty: He can't be getting syntax errors from it then
Nov 23 09:02:40 <qwerty12> RST38h, no no, /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao exists, /usr/bin/file doesn't
Nov 23 09:02:53 <RST38h> qwerty: Well it exists on my tablet
Nov 23 09:02:59 <qwerty12> RST38h, that's because you installed it
Nov 23 09:02:59 <RST38h> just checked before telling him
Nov 23 09:03:04 <RST38h> No I did not
Nov 23 09:03:17 <qwerty12> Installed emelfm2 or midnight commander?
Nov 23 09:03:24 <RST38h> yea
Nov 23 09:03:27 <RST38h> that was it?
Nov 23 09:03:30 <qwerty12> You installed file.
Nov 23 09:03:39 <RST38h> citylights: ok, install mc
Nov 23 09:04:09 <citylights> min
Nov 23 09:08:34 <citylights> cafe break brb
Nov 23 09:10:06 <citylights> /opt/cacao-static/bin/cacao: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, statically linked, stripped
Nov 23 09:10:30 <qwerty12> Not going to run on the N800, the N800 uses an ARM processor
Nov 23 09:10:55 <RST38h> citylights: Ok, does this answer your question about why it does not run?
Nov 23 09:14:57 <citylights> ovcourse
Nov 23 09:15:07 <citylights> was a bit lazy I guess
Nov 23 09:16:19 <citylights> brb
Nov 23 09:25:33 <konttori_> GeneralAntilles: (if you are not sleeping), do you have any idea why my blog post still hasn't been aggregated?
Nov 23 09:25:55 <GeneralAntilles> konttori_, well, the other option is that Planet could simply be broken. :P
Nov 23 09:26:04 <konttori_> wow, you never sleep!
Nov 23 09:26:26 <konttori_> do you have idea whom to contact about the planet?
Nov 23 09:26:26 <GeneralAntilles> It's that horrible college thing, it does bad thing to your schedule. ;)
Nov 23 09:26:39 <konttori_> Oh! Yeah. That thing!
Nov 23 09:27:06 <konttori_> enjoy the college reality distortion field!
Nov 23 09:27:34 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Nov 23 09:30:57 <RST38h> while you can, yes
Nov 23 09:31:03 <GeneralAntilles> konttori_, well, your feed seems fine, so it's probably planet. http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/atom.xml
Nov 23 09:33:47 <GeneralAntilles> konttori_, either file a bug or harass X-Fade or bergie about it I guess.
Nov 23 09:50:32 <Jaffa> Morning, al
Nov 23 09:50:34 <Jaffa> +l
Nov 23 09:53:35 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, Jaffa.
Nov 23 10:55:10 <t_s_o> there are times i wish that there was a notification when the wifi was turned of based on the timeout. specifically when im writing up a forum post or similar only to discover it after i have hit reply...
Nov 23 10:56:08 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Nov 23 10:56:15 <GeneralAntilles> A banner might not be terrible.
Nov 23 10:56:18 <GeneralAntilles> Enhancement request?
Nov 23 10:56:26 <GeneralAntilles> (with a preference setting, hopefully)
Nov 23 10:57:28 <t_s_o> will probably only show up in fremantle anyways...
Nov 23 10:57:40 <konttori_> X-Fade: Any chance you could run the planet synchronisation ? My blog isn't getting aggregated (well, latest post isn't)
Nov 23 11:18:52 <lcuk> konttori_, mornin, any chance you can post the .deb to ukmp, your pic last night might have encouraged me about something ;)
Nov 23 11:19:37 <konttori_> Sure. the link is on the blog post
Nov 23 11:19:50 <konttori_> I'm adding the exit button at the moment.
Nov 23 11:20:01 <konttori_> So, I'll release and update later today
Nov 23 11:20:26 <konttori_> and I'll try to also add a bit to the unstability issue.
Nov 23 11:20:38 <lcuk810> heh, ill go the long way then and pm myself
Nov 23 11:20:40 <konttori_> (which is gstreamer releated)
Nov 23 11:20:56 <konttori_> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4906/ukmp-1.80_all.deb
Nov 23 11:22:08 <qwerty12> konttori_, Why do you copy the files with a .py extension to ones without?
Nov 23 11:22:35 <konttori_> umm... because my build scrip sucks so bad?
Nov 23 11:23:04 <qwerty12> :/
Nov 23 11:23:23 <konttori_> I could take a look at fixing that at some point.
Nov 23 11:23:39 <konttori_> actually, I think I have solved it already, just not fixed to the postinst.
Nov 23 11:24:09 <konttori_> I always find something more interesting / fun to do than fix the scripts.
Nov 23 11:24:36 <qwerty12> Heh, you haven't seen my changelog for gftp...
Nov 23 11:25:03 <konttori_> fix the scripts or take out the garbage? ... tough one... let's take out the garbage. Then wash the dishes
Nov 23 11:26:41 <lcuk> mmmm still same issue as last time ;) i havent got enough albums to be kinetic
Nov 23 11:26:58 * qwerty12 goes for tracks more rather than albus
Nov 23 11:27:01 <lcuk> i like the portraitness
Nov 23 11:27:03 <qwerty12> *albums even
Nov 23 11:27:27 <lcuk> and the large gutter around the tracklisting lets you use it without accidentally clicking :D
Nov 23 11:28:48 <konttori_> Ah. I'll try to fix today also the support to work better when user has only a few albums
Nov 23 11:28:59 <lcuk> it works
Nov 23 11:29:15 <lcuk> and dont fix the gutter ;)
Nov 23 11:29:19 <konttori_> Ah. does it position the items correctly / in a way that makes sense
Nov 23 11:29:29 <konttori_> nope, I planned to leave gutter
Nov 23 11:29:44 <konttori_> I've been thinking about leaving it only on one side though
Nov 23 11:29:49 <konttori_> but, let's see.
Nov 23 11:31:08 <lcuk> heh i've been thinking about it for other things
Nov 23 11:31:19 <lcuk> rotation angle is 180deg from what i expect
Nov 23 11:31:47 <konttori_> Hmm... Now shuffle looking as it should, close button is in the right place (and works).  Next I need to add the kill any previous lingering instances of ukmp on startup.
Nov 23 11:32:03 <lcuk> good thing though about your rotation (apart from a coding perspective) is that it doesnt require a kernel update
Nov 23 11:33:01 <GeneralAntilles> Screen updates take place in the wrong direction, though.
Nov 23 11:33:11 <GeneralAntilles> Everything would be so easy if Nokia would just ship two small patches.
Nov 23 11:33:21 <GeneralAntilles> They don't even need to expose anything in the UI
Nov 23 11:33:32 <GeneralAntilles> Just one small kernel patch and one small Xomap patch. . . .
Nov 23 11:34:23 <lcuk> you know the tearing "grain" rotates when you use xrandr rotation it changes this and the grain then tears along with it (less noticable)
Nov 23 11:34:49 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, exactly what I said. :P
Nov 23 11:35:18 <lcuk> yes :P but you didnt explain why
Nov 23 11:35:37 <lcuk> konttori_, it doesnt run rotated (can't talk, libase doesnt either ;))
Nov 23 11:42:41 <oli-n800> hi, can maemo mapper calculate routes?
Nov 23 11:43:14 * aquatix loves http://wiki.maemo.org/TabletDeath#Reasons_Why_Internet_Tablets_Will_Die
Nov 23 11:47:24 <oli-n800> anyone? can i enter 2 cities and get route
Nov 23 11:47:41 <GeneralAntilles> oli-n800, presumably you're on an N800, no?
Nov 23 11:47:44 <GeneralAntilles> Tap the menu in Maemo Mapper.
Nov 23 11:47:47 <GeneralAntilles> Tap Routes
Nov 23 11:48:22 <oli-n800> yep, i am
Nov 23 11:51:06 <oli-n800> GeneralAntilles, but can it work like google maps ex. from paris to berlin and i get complete route with description
Nov 23 11:51:25 <GeneralAntilles> There's an option to download a route in the menu.
Nov 23 11:52:47 <lcuk> tabletdeath needs real reasons
Nov 23 11:52:53 <lcuk> flying zombie death
Nov 23 11:53:06 <GeneralAntilles> We should add a section on the zombie apocalypse.
Nov 23 11:53:10 <lcuk> i have done
Nov 23 11:54:30 <lcuk> Why Is Everything In Proper Case?
Nov 23 11:56:08 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, RST38h has apparently got a bad habit about that. :P
Nov 23 11:56:12 <GeneralAntilles> Feel free to fix it.
Nov 23 11:56:23 <lcuk> konttori_, using ukmp with 810 on its stand reminds me of this:    http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/125/image001fo8.gif
Nov 23 11:56:31 <lcuk> ive just added my own :)
Nov 23 11:56:58 <oli-n800> GeneralAntilles, thanks a lot ;) I'm owner of tablet for 3 days so I'll ask some more obvious questions ;)
Nov 23 11:57:30 <GeneralAntilles> oli-n800, bookmark this: http://fragostech.com/MaemoMapper/
Nov 23 11:58:23 <aquatix> any idea why maemo mapper does not find my n810 gps receiver?
Nov 23 11:58:36 <qwerty12_> Bluetooth with no address
Nov 23 11:58:47 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Nov 23 11:59:41 <aquatix> ...bluetooth?
Nov 23 11:59:43 <aquatix> it's built-in
Nov 23 11:59:54 <GeneralAntilles> That's how gpsd has to be started.
Nov 23 12:00:03 <GeneralAntilles> Inelegant and weird, but so it goes.
Nov 23 12:00:23 <konttori_> lcuk: very nice poem. I love it!
Nov 23 12:01:11 <konttori_> luck: you can run it in rotated mode by changing the variable: DISPLAY_ROTATE
Nov 23 12:01:26 <konttori_> The, it *should* run in X rotated canvas
Nov 23 12:01:30 <lcuk> thank digg for finding it, i dunno where it was originally http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Neck_Care
Nov 23 12:01:42 <konttori_> (or, e.g. in scratchbox)
Nov 23 12:02:19 <lcuk> my python hacking skills are about the same as my fighting way out of a wet paper bag skills
Nov 23 12:02:44 <lcuk> ill wait for you to add a few more opts ;)
Nov 23 12:02:51 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: so, to be sure, i have to choose gpsd host 127.0.0.1 in the gps settings?
Nov 23 12:02:57 <konttori_> well, it's on line 28. the first variable in MediaCenter.py
Nov 23 12:02:58 <GeneralAntilles> Bluetooth
Nov 23 12:03:00 <GeneralAntilles> No MAC
Nov 23 12:03:05 <aquatix> oh
Nov 23 12:03:15 <konttori_> lcuk: Yeah, I'll add the command line opts for it.
Nov 23 12:03:27 <GeneralAntilles> GNUite really should add a layer of UI abstraction, but so it goes.
Nov 23 12:03:38 <aquatix> yay
Nov 23 12:03:42 <lcuk> no rush, ill just get used to changing the orientation of my neck to compensate :D
Nov 23 12:03:42 <aquatix> now it somehow works
Nov 23 12:03:47 <aquatix> it didn't last time i tried
Nov 23 12:04:13 <lcuk> everything else rotatets the other way, i prefer my escape button at the bottom
Nov 23 12:04:18 <qwerty12_> yerga, ping
Nov 23 12:04:18 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: thanks :)
Nov 23 12:04:38 <yerga> qwerty12_, pong!
Nov 23 12:04:40 <GeneralAntilles> :P qwerty12.
Nov 23 12:05:01 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, sure thing.
Nov 23 12:05:27 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_, we should keep totals on these things. I'd be interested in the result. :P
Nov 23 12:06:14 <qwerty12_> yerga, I've "hildonized" the main window, hildonised the menu but it seems I suck at adding a callback event to make the window fullscreen. I've also fixed the packaging and made it integrate with dbus: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/gftp/gftp-2.0.18.tar.bz2
Nov 23 12:06:18 <qwerty12_> GeneralAntilles, On what? :P
Nov 23 12:06:40 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_, who wins the double-team "thanks" of course. ;)
Nov 23 12:06:59 <yerga> qwerty12_, cool, I will take a look
Nov 23 12:07:00 <GeneralAntilles> We frequently seem to double up on these things, and it's interesting to see who ends up getting the thanks.
Nov 23 12:07:33 <qwerty12_> Oh, heh :D. I gave a quick answer, you went more in depth with it
Nov 23 12:09:15 <fiferboy_n810> Is anyone using the home screen applet drag lock patch?
Nov 23 12:09:24 <qwerty12_> me me me
Nov 23 12:09:33 <qwerty12_> I built his latest version the other day
Nov 23 12:10:51 * lcuk "upgraded" sketch editing, it now saves upto 36 at one time now
Nov 23 12:11:52 <Stskeeps> what kind of devices/specific models would be good to test a x86 mer/maemo alike dist on?
Nov 23 12:11:53 <fiferboy_n810> It's pretty good.  I built the latest veersion, too
Nov 23 12:12:15 <fiferboy_n810> I'm trying to improve it by storing the state in a conf file
Nov 23 12:12:27 <qwerty12_> Woot, go fiferboy!
Nov 23 12:12:30 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, buy a Samsung Q1.
Nov 23 12:12:32 <GeneralAntilles> Then ship it to me. :P
Nov 23 12:12:40 <qwerty12_> Then I can rob GeneralAntilles
Nov 23 12:12:43 <qwerty12_> :P
Nov 23 12:12:56 * GeneralAntilles sets out some landmines.
Nov 23 12:13:05 <GeneralAntilles> Or that Sony UMPC
Nov 23 12:13:36 <fiferboy_n810> I think it should go in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf
Nov 23 12:13:51 <GeneralAntilles> You guys remember that R50A everybody on itT was saying was going to kill the N810?
Nov 23 12:14:22 <Stskeeps> another q, - think maemo would be good on a tv screen?
Nov 23 12:14:26 <fiferboy_n810> But the files that have been edited only use home.conf, which is not appropriate
Nov 23 12:14:33 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, with a Wiimote?
Nov 23 12:14:33 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Nov 23 12:14:38 <Stskeeps> k
Nov 23 12:14:47 <Stskeeps> cos that's what we're thinking about doing :P
Nov 23 12:14:49 <GeneralAntilles> Not so much with a dpad on a remote, though.
Nov 23 12:15:05 <GeneralAntilles> How's actual Wii Linux these days? :P
Nov 23 12:15:06 <Stskeeps> we will have bt keyboard with trackpad :P
Nov 23 12:15:17 <konttori_> Could someone perhaps add to the current wiimote code the support for the tv screen?
Nov 23 12:15:34 <konttori_> I did take a  look at it at some point and it might not be so terribly hard
Nov 23 12:15:54 <konttori_> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/wiicontrol
Nov 23 12:15:59 <konttori_> could be a starting point.
Nov 23 12:16:25 <GeneralAntilles> TV screen?
Nov 23 12:16:26 <lcuk> what do you mean support
Nov 23 12:16:27 <konttori_> I have a slightly improved version of the code if anyone is willing to give it a shot.
Nov 23 12:16:46 <konttori_> umm... well, wiimote infra tracking capabilities
Nov 23 12:16:58 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right.
Nov 23 12:17:03 <konttori_> if e.g. you are using n800 that you have connected to telly
Nov 23 12:17:18 <GeneralAntilles> How, exactly? :P
Nov 23 12:17:24 <konttori_> with usb
Nov 23 12:17:29 <GeneralAntilles> Alternatively, does that mean the N900 will have TV out? :P
Nov 23 12:17:39 <konttori_> No clue
Nov 23 12:17:51 <GeneralAntilles> Well, current USB-to-VGA support isn't fast enough to track a Wiimote
Nov 23 12:17:58 <GeneralAntilles> It takes about 10 seconds to render FBReader's interface.
Nov 23 12:18:08 <lcuk> btw konttori_ as a user who raves about liqbase (or as a raving user) could you comment and rate it on the product page please :$ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/
Nov 23 12:18:14 <konttori_> I thought it was possible to get 2 fps
Nov 23 12:18:25 <konttori_> I've seen much better usb support then inside nokia.
Nov 23 12:18:29 <lcuk> konttori_, the tv control aspect, do you mean the candles thing
Nov 23 12:18:39 <konttori_> We've had the targus usb dock stations for n800.
Nov 23 12:18:39 <lcuk> \o/ w000t 2fps
Nov 23 12:18:43 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, yes, the sensor bar.
Nov 23 12:18:49 <konttori_> and the users were claiming they work just as well as desktop use
Nov 23 12:19:07 <GeneralAntilles> If only Nokia had shipped a couple of IR LEDs behind the speaker grille on the N800. ;)
Nov 23 12:19:16 * Stskeeps wouldn't mind a docking system for tablets
Nov 23 12:19:17 <lcuk> i keep wanting to just hold a barcode over my 810 and using that as input device
Nov 23 12:19:22 <konttori_> well, 2 fps makes it e.g. usable as slide show thingy.
Nov 23 12:19:23 <GeneralAntilles> konttori_, Graham needs to get with those guys. . . .
Nov 23 12:19:41 <konttori_> And, whatever the case it with the future devices, they will be faster
Nov 23 12:19:45 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, powered USB hub? ;)
Nov 23 12:19:52 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: well a stand is a good thing too
Nov 23 12:20:00 <Stskeeps> with ethernet, ec
Nov 23 12:20:13 <Stskeeps> i would buy one of those, really
Nov 23 12:20:25 <konttori_> targus docking station has it all, usb hub, keyboard inputs, vga out, serial port, whatnot
Nov 23 12:20:32 <konttori_> even ethernet
Nov 23 12:20:56 <lcuk> konttori_, wouldnt it be better to incorporate the actual code thats within the wiimote itself for detecting the IR blobs.  ie point your actual 8x0/9x0 at the screen itself and process where the dots are ourselves
Nov 23 12:21:07 <qwerty12_> psst, konttori_ , what are your smuggling rates?
Nov 23 12:21:24 * Stskeeps passes qwerty12_ a beagleboard
Nov 23 12:21:41 <qwerty12_> Yum, these taste good
Nov 23 12:22:05 <konttori_> yeah, well, beagleboard is really cool dev platform. interesting to test.
Nov 23 12:22:12 <lcuk> ill electrocute myself ifi try touching the beagleboard, it needs a touchscreen
Nov 23 12:22:16 <konttori_> I wonder if maemo is running on any of those
Nov 23 12:22:30 <GAN800> konttori, check Flickr
Nov 23 12:22:42 <lcuk> just give him your link gan :P
Nov 23 12:22:43 <Stskeeps> it's trivial to get maemo work but not in a clean way
Nov 23 12:22:54 <konttori_> lcuk: yeah, well, the n800 would need an infrared filter on the camera, but sure, it's doable like that
Nov 23 12:23:26 <konttori_> So, e.g. the cool multitouch display they had in berlin is doable with n800, projector, some infra lamps.
Nov 23 12:23:28 <lcuk> heh, just display a color coding on the corners of the tv screen ;)
Nov 23 12:23:32 <konttori_> might be actually a really cool test.
Nov 23 12:23:50 <konttori_> lcuk: yeaw, theoretically even with that
Nov 23 12:24:05 <lcuk> hmmmm
Nov 23 12:24:44 <lcuk> can some1 dig out a shop link for the kind of USB cable ill need to update my n800 to diablo
Nov 23 12:24:54 <lcuk> i have one but no usb and i dunno what i need to buy
Nov 23 12:25:16 <Stskeeps> isn't it a typical mini A/B one?
Nov 23 12:25:21 <Stskeeps> look at your  digital camera maybe?
Nov 23 12:25:21 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Nov 23 12:25:31 <Stskeeps> that's where i got mine originally
Nov 23 12:25:42 <GeneralAntilles> The one bundled with practically every consumer electronics device sold over the past few years. :P
Nov 23 12:26:00 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, the cable that came with mine is a nokia dke-2 but any generic one should work fine
Nov 23 12:26:31 <GeneralAntilles> konttori_, http://flickr.com/photos/jadon/2295700120/ http://flickr.com/photos/jadon/2290280255/ http://flickr.com/photos/jadon/2414674548/
Nov 23 12:26:39 <lcuk> well ive looked through the rats nest and i dont have any
Nov 23 12:27:42 <konttori_> GeneralAntilles: thanks. looks good.
Nov 23 12:27:56 <konttori_> lcuk: didn't you get a cable with your device?
Nov 23 12:28:09 <lcuk> ummm well no
Nov 23 12:28:22 <GeneralAntilles> He stole it from some jerk on the bus.
Nov 23 12:28:34 <lcuk> :O
Nov 23 12:32:40 <Stskeeps> now if this targus had s-video too..
Nov 23 12:36:37 <Stskeeps> hmm, what other themes are there of freely-licensable ones for maemo?
Nov 23 12:37:09 <Stskeeps> i mean, there's plankton obviously, but others?
Nov 23 12:37:19 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, LCARS?
Nov 23 12:37:25 <qwerty12_N800> ^
Nov 23 12:37:26 <GeneralAntilles> Probably not, actually. :P
Nov 23 12:37:29 <Stskeeps> (that does not need OS2008 parts?
Nov 23 12:38:45 <Stskeeps> heh, yeah, lcars looks like it is
Nov 23 12:38:52 <Stskeeps> even has own sounds
Nov 23 12:39:06 <Stskeeps> lcars as default theme for mer it is
Nov 23 12:39:07 <Stskeeps> (...)
Nov 23 12:39:26 <GeneralAntilles> Oh lord
Nov 23 12:39:43 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Nov 23 12:40:45 <GeneralAntilles> "Hey, Nokia managers, this is a proof of concept of an upstream-compliant Maemo. We'd really like you to look at this when planning Maemo's future. Also: Star Trek."
Nov 23 12:41:15 <Stskeeps> i think that would only work on software engineers
Nov 23 12:42:11 <Stskeeps> heh, http://web.mac.com/sonicjunki/770/770_files/screenshot00.png
Nov 23 12:42:19 * Stskeeps would like to thank konttori_ for theme maker
Nov 23 12:42:37 <GeneralAntilles> There were a lot of terrible themes for the 770.
Nov 23 12:42:46 <konttori_> hey, looking good Stskeeps
Nov 23 12:42:47 <GeneralAntilles> Most notably the default ones. <_<
Nov 23 12:42:54 <Stskeeps> konttori_: hehe, i didn't do that one, just found it
Nov 23 12:43:53 <Stskeeps> but there seriously needs to be some better themes than plankton for hildon use :P
Nov 23 12:44:05 <Stskeeps> that are OSS/distributable
Nov 23 12:44:42 <GeneralAntilles> I want the old Plankton back.
Nov 23 12:45:04 <konttori_> ah, added the ukmp 1.81
Nov 23 12:45:05 <konttori_> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/4910/ukmp-1.81_all.deb
Nov 23 12:45:13 <suihkulokki> you can probablt make the plankton look better by just switching the background pic and some other minor tweaks
Nov 23 12:45:57 <GeneralAntilles> I want this back: http://mg.pov.lt/osso-xterm-buttons1.png
Nov 23 12:46:49 <qwerty12_N800> If I was on os2007, i'd probably be using the appleenvy theme
Nov 23 12:47:43 <GeneralAntilles> Ha . . . the guy complaining about MicroB's js performance turns out to be using Opera on OS2007. <_<
Nov 23 12:49:12 <lcuk> ive gotta vanish again, ww3 just erupted downstairs, konttori_ nice chatting, cyas all later
Nov 23 12:49:39 <GeneralAntilles> Zombie apocalypse is starting at lcuk's
Nov 23 12:50:01 <lcuk> not really i took the wiimote off jake until he picks up his orange peel ;)
Nov 23 12:50:28 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 23 12:51:25 <Stskeeps> hm, new company in the maemo sphere, blumsoft.eu
Nov 23 12:51:30 <Stskeeps> haven't seen those before
Nov 23 12:53:29 <GeneralAntilles> NoBounds?
Nov 23 12:53:46 <Stskeeps> no clue, saw code from them in gtkhtml and hildon-control-panel
Nov 23 12:54:31 <Stskeeps> you know, with all those different companies actually maintaining the components of maemo, the generic-platform by community and nokia contracting people to contribute to components inside it, does not seem so far off
Nov 23 13:09:36 <oli> is there any way to make an video call from n800 to a PC?
Nov 23 13:09:49 <GeneralAntilles> Gizmo or aMSN
Nov 23 13:10:03 <lcuk> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbbaksn_vk
Nov 23 13:10:33 <lcuk> so fitting and true
Nov 23 13:10:40 <oli> GeneralAntilles: gtalk won't do it?
Nov 23 13:10:56 <GeneralAntilles> oli, don't think the clients use the same video format
Nov 23 13:10:59 <GeneralAntilles> or something like that.
Nov 23 13:11:59 * GeneralAntilles sighs again at the mailing list.
Nov 23 13:15:39 <Stskeeps> m-u?
Nov 23 13:15:49 <GAN800> Yeah
Nov 23 13:15:56 <Stskeeps> ah :P
Nov 23 13:15:59 <GAN800> email spam about the wiki. . . .
Nov 23 13:16:35 <Stskeeps> yeah, you obviously banned this guy :P
Nov 23 13:16:44 <Stskeeps> he's probably not using https
Nov 23 13:16:44 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 23 13:17:44 <GAN800> An anonymous edit ban would be less confusing. . . .
Nov 23 13:21:10 * Stskeeps isn't sure what to think of launchpad yet.
Nov 23 13:22:00 <Stskeeps> bzr seems to be neat though
Nov 23 13:22:10 <GAN800> Stskeeps, let me know when you figure it out, I'd like to know. :)
Nov 23 13:23:38 <Stskeeps> so far it isn't on the directly positive side, but we haven't started using the collaboration just yet
Nov 23 13:23:47 <Stskeeps> mer is an experiment in this area too so
Nov 23 13:24:02 <qwerty12_N800> ffs, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/thefuck.png
Nov 23 13:24:32 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: your hildon desktop is trying to be a larger resolution
Nov 23 13:25:20 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, I blame python applets :P
Nov 23 13:26:12 <Stskeeps> mm, i look forward to my armel builder coming online monday, got a lot of stuff in queue for it
Nov 23 13:43:51 * Stskeeps ponders why his nokia just chose to reboot.
Nov 23 13:47:40 <lcuk> flying zombies
Nov 23 13:48:09 <towo> The Day Of The Glorious Reboolution.
Nov 23 13:49:04 <lcuk> its only the start, the apocalypse is upon us.  all electronic equipment will fail (but nokia tablets will last longer)
Nov 23 13:53:15 <Stskeeps> ~seen johnx
Nov 23 13:53:17 <infobot> johnx <n=john@p2172-ipbf2302hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 14h 46m 8s ago, saying: 'heh...easy enough to go off grid. I just climb a 1200 and bam, no geolocation :)'.
Nov 23 13:54:13 <GAN800> Maybe the zombie apocalypse started in Japan?
Nov 23 13:55:00 <Stskeeps> with those nukes dropped on it, no surprises..
Nov 23 13:55:15 <lcuk> yeah, but they were trying to save the world
Nov 23 13:55:21 <lcuk> nothing else would kill godzilla
Nov 23 13:56:25 <lcuk> einsteins desk looks like my work dask, and his chalkboard looks like my nokia http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=einstein+source:life&imgurl=f24fb48539799666
Nov 23 13:56:59 <lcuk> i wonder how he wouldv coped with a multitouch interactive board
Nov 23 13:57:22 <Stskeeps> he would have smashed it in anger occasionally probably
Nov 23 13:57:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 23 13:58:14 <lcuk> nahhh, he would have been able to assemble his equations better
Nov 23 13:58:26 <lcuk> and rejig them about without using a board rubber
Nov 23 13:59:10 <lcuk> but his achievements are all the more impressive purely because he did it all without computers :)
Nov 23 13:59:47 <Stskeeps> "Internet Tablet Will Die Because a flying zombie attack will take out all the wind farms! "
Nov 23 13:59:51 <Stskeeps> hahahaa
Nov 23 14:01:10 <lcuk> i thought we needed a sensible reason why they should die ;)
Nov 23 14:01:52 <Stskeeps> i'd go for the magnetic poles shifting or something
Nov 23 14:02:58 <lcuk> well a magnetic flip wouldnt instantly kill the tablets
Nov 23 14:03:17 <lcuk> unless it caused the penguins to begin a mass migration across the planet breeding along the way
Nov 23 14:03:55 <lcuk> march of the penguins - at least it would be year of tux on the desktop, and on the fridge and in your kitchen and on your roof and crushing you underfoot
Nov 23 14:04:30 <lcuk> perhaps you could use your tablet as a penguin beating device, they have sharp edges
Nov 23 14:04:52 <lcuk> or reflect the sunlight from the screen and dazzle the marching penguins of death
Nov 23 14:05:58 <lcuk> i might make an animated gif of this scenario, it would highlight the dangers to the world of a magnetic pole reversal
Nov 23 14:06:11 <Stskeeps> yes, you should
Nov 23 14:06:32 <lcuk> warn people before its too late
Nov 23 14:06:58 <lcuk> whats the gestation period for migrating penguins?
Nov 23 14:07:33 <lcuk> and once they reach a certain threshhold would they begin to die out due to overpopulation and not enough food?
Nov 23 14:07:57 <lcuk> would the southern penguins fight with the northern penguins when they reached the equator?
Nov 23 14:08:18 <lcuk> and can we breed anything which will stop this impending doom?
Nov 23 14:09:46 <lcuk> do penguins prefer to move through water or waddle through grassland? ie would we be safer running for the hills or finding a small unpopulated island somewhere?
Nov 23 14:10:17 <lbt> multiouch ... http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/
Nov 23 14:10:38 <lbt> oh wait, multi-ouch is something different
Nov 23 14:11:29 <lcuk> multi-ouch is what happens when disoriented flying zombie penguins attack
Nov 23 14:11:44 <lcuk> BE PREPARED!
Nov 23 14:12:19 <lcuk> hiya lbt
Nov 23 14:12:23 <lbt> afternoon
Nov 23 14:12:41 <lbt> not been around much... work and stuff
Nov 23 14:12:58 <lbt> plus I reinstalled my PC
Nov 23 14:13:08 <lbt> so I'm about to setup scratchbox again
Nov 23 14:14:18 <Stskeeps> afernoon lbt
Nov 23 14:14:19 <lcuk> ewww, i want a faster tablet, i hate thinking about boxes inside boxes
Nov 23 14:14:45 <lcuk> full native on device compilation, Stskeeps you have a beagle, how much faster is gcc on that than gcc on n8x0
Nov 23 14:14:55 <lbt> hi Stskeeps
Nov 23 14:15:48 * Stskeeps continues buildin'
Nov 23 14:17:09 <lcuk> Stskeeps, have you not tried compilation on your beagle?
Nov 23 14:17:18 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i have
Nov 23 14:17:35 <lcuk> how well does it work
Nov 23 14:17:40 <Stskeeps> lcuk: but it's sitting in front of me instead of it's rightful place on top of the server
Nov 23 14:17:52 <Stskeeps> it works quite well
Nov 23 14:18:05 <Stskeeps> i have had some MMC troubles though, but that might just be because i've abused them
Nov 23 14:18:18 <lcuk> hopefully it will mean i can jump to c++ easily, i still wonder how long it would take to build something like qt
Nov 23 14:18:45 <Stskeeps> mm
Nov 23 14:26:47 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: btw Mer is going a little slow these days while we get things running sanely :) just so you dont think we gave up :P
Nov 23 14:27:48 <Meiz_n810> ok
Nov 23 14:28:40 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: you are building with BB?
Nov 23 14:29:00 <Stskeeps> beagleboard?
Nov 23 14:29:02 <Stskeeps> i will from tomorrow
Nov 23 14:29:05 <Meiz_n810> yep
Nov 23 14:29:07 <Meiz_n810> ok
Nov 23 14:29:09 <Stskeeps> right now i'm getting things working on i386 firsst
Nov 23 14:29:15 <Meiz_n810> ok
Nov 23 14:29:35 <Meiz_n810> do you have hasty or jaunty on BB?
Nov 23 14:30:52 <Stskeeps> it'll be a jaunty chroot im building out of
Nov 23 14:31:16 <sp3000> hmm, nitapps is down and has some stuff not in extras(-devel) and it's not on the pls to be migrating to extras list
Nov 23 14:32:18 <sp3000> X-Fade: ^ ?
Nov 23 14:32:28 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: why chroot?
Nov 23 14:33:18 <sp3000> then again most of the stuff is tiny command line status tools, but, interesting
Nov 23 14:33:38 <qwerty12_N800> sp3000, the  guy doesn't listen to extras requests. GeneralAntilles asked a lot for the maintainer of that repo to put easyroot in extras but got ignored so I just made rootsh for example
Nov 23 14:34:23 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: well. the way packages ought to be built is through a --variant=buildd, where you build the source inside and you know it won't conflict with other things
Nov 23 14:34:39 <sp3000> hmm, the wiki page doesn't have any examples of fail status does it ;)
Nov 23 14:34:39 <Stskeeps> so each time you compile it extracts a snapshot and compiles inside the chroot
Nov 23 14:34:44 <sp3000> oh well
Nov 23 14:35:16 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: and you're sure that way that the package has right build dependancies, etc
Nov 23 14:35:24 <Meiz_n810> ok
Nov 23 14:36:14 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: saw http://merbuilder.jaiku.com/?
Nov 23 14:36:36 <Meiz_n810> yep
Nov 23 14:37:14 <Stskeeps> with http://trac.tspre.org:8000/libhildonmime_jaunty-i386-1227450257.log as an example of a build log
Nov 23 14:39:59 <Meiz_n810> ok
Nov 23 14:52:42 * Stskeeps notes that nokia has done quite an effort in translations as well
Nov 23 14:55:30 <gnuton> Hi
Nov 23 14:58:38 <Stskeeps> hi gnuton
Nov 23 15:08:11 <gnuton> hey Stskeeps
Nov 23 15:18:53 * Stskeeps wonders idly when he will get banned from stage.maemo.org for checking so much out..
Nov 23 15:34:46 <t_s_o> ley lcuk, cheers! ;)
Nov 23 15:34:54 <lcuk> :D
Nov 23 15:35:46 <t_s_o> as for being so drunk that one wonder how one got home, been there, done that, woke up in the garage...
Nov 23 15:36:28 <lcuk> heh
Nov 23 15:36:46 <lcuk> ive never actually gotten lost, ive got a good homing signal
Nov 23 15:36:51 <lcuk> even if i cant walk
Nov 23 15:37:03 <pupnik> afternoon lcuk :)
Nov 23 15:37:21 <lcuk> RST38h, why have you removed my flying zombie death scenario?
Nov 23 15:37:24 <lcuk> hi pupnik
Nov 23 15:37:29 <pupnik> and RST38h et al
Nov 23 15:38:25 <pupnik> i wonder if anyone will discover the wonderful world of internet tablets now, by googling 'flying zombie death'
Nov 23 15:39:01 <lcuk> i was gonna expand upon it and explain that when the magnetic poles invert it will be flying zombie penguin death
Nov 23 15:39:16 <lcuk> year of linux on the desktop and everything else
Nov 23 15:41:51 <pupnik> today is the last sunday of the christian calendar year, the day of the dead
Nov 23 15:42:08 <lcuk> o rly?
Nov 23 15:43:34 <pupnik> yeh.  what U up to?
Nov 23 15:44:08 <lcuk> just idling, gonna go n clean the fishtank in a minute
Nov 23 15:46:06 <Proteous> mmmmm, fish poo
Nov 23 15:46:23 <pupnik> hi qwerty12 !
Nov 23 15:46:32 <qwerty12> hey, hi pupnik
Nov 23 15:48:04 * Stskeeps groans over hildon-1 not being updated publically
Nov 23 15:48:11 <Stskeeps> hildon-pannable-area.h is missing it seems
Nov 23 15:50:05 * qwerty12 curses at the top of his voice at his mpd build not working and gdb for being a pita
Nov 23 15:50:59 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: sb nightmares?
Nov 23 15:51:12 <Proteous> mmm, pita
Nov 23 15:51:46 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I'm actually running gdb on the device (and I've made sure the debug symbols were not stripped) but I get zilch when doing a backtrace
Nov 23 15:55:31 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 23 16:07:06 <qwerty12> Ha, mpd 0.14~alpha3-2 is shit. I just built mpd-0.13.0 and it works fine
Nov 23 16:20:03 <Stskeeps> heh, neat, mesh support in stlc45xx
Nov 23 16:20:07 <Stskeeps> this could be fun at a summit
Nov 23 16:21:50 <Stskeeps> and for many interesting tech demos
Nov 23 16:22:12 <pupnik> indeed
Nov 23 16:22:42 <pupnik> Stskeeps: have the OLPC devs done anything useful with mesh that we could drop into tablets?
Nov 23 16:23:34 <Stskeeps> not sure, maybe
Nov 23 16:25:52 <RST38h> moo all
Nov 23 16:26:02 <qwerty12> ello RST38h
Nov 23 16:26:12 <RST38h> pupnik: Where are you gonna get a usable mesh of NITs?
Nov 23 16:26:59 <Stskeeps> maemo summit ;>
Nov 23 16:27:03 <RST38h> BTW http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4232/nkarts001mn9.jpg
Nov 23 16:27:19 <Stskeeps> lecture hall in the future..
Nov 23 16:27:19 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 23 16:27:28 <Stskeeps> the bus
Nov 23 16:27:29 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 23 16:28:52 <pupnik> or perhaps future other portable devices with mesh support?
Nov 23 16:28:55 * Stskeeps ponders why the hell nokia didn't put some of the stuff in HAL instead, like, backlihght
Nov 23 16:29:45 <error_developer_> how to change the umask in maemo?
Nov 23 16:30:01 <RST38h> chmod ?
Nov 23 16:30:07 <error_developer_> so all files user creates are writeble by the group?
Nov 23 16:30:25 <RST38h> pupnik: you have to have enough of them
Nov 23 16:30:43 <RST38h> error: Afaik this gets inherited from the directory permissions
Nov 23 16:31:16 <Stskeeps> RST38h: if nokia phones start having wifi with mesh..
Nov 23 16:31:24 <Stskeeps> then the % certainly goes up in my country
Nov 23 16:31:52 <Andy80> mesh would be a great thing :)
Nov 23 16:31:52 <RST38h> They already have wifi
Nov 23 16:32:03 <RST38h> And wifi can be used in mesh mode with some effort
Nov 23 16:32:04 <inherited> hm?
Nov 23 16:32:05 <inherited> what?
Nov 23 16:32:13 <RST38h> Yet do you see anyone use that?
Nov 23 16:32:14 <inherited> ahhhhwww screw you RST38h
Nov 23 16:32:27 <Stskeeps> stop using words as nicks, it's sily
Nov 23 16:32:27 <RST38h> hehehe
Nov 23 16:32:29 <Stskeeps> +l
Nov 23 16:32:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 23 16:32:44 <Stskeeps> Andy80: stlc45xx has a mesh patch for it
Nov 23 16:33:11 <RST38h> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/23/1447251&from=rss  === hehehe, finally people start seeing that "open source business model" only works in Eric Raymond's mind
Nov 23 16:33:25 <Andy80> Stskeeps, what is stlc45xx?
Nov 23 16:34:30 <Stskeeps> Andy80: the open source driver for the wifi chip in n8x0
Nov 23 16:34:51 <Andy80> oh right. I didn't remember the name
Nov 23 16:36:05 <Stskeeps> RST38h: yeah, but on the other hand there's no such thing as a free meal.. it's slightly less costly for open source developers to copy an existing design, that was spent time on designing and developing
Nov 23 16:36:16 <Stskeeps> than
Nov 23 16:37:40 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Doesn't matter from the point of view of a developer making money on the design
Nov 23 16:38:16 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Once event occurs (i.e. somebody copies his stuff in a free product), the original guy loses his business, whatever the reasons for that initial copying are
Nov 23 16:38:36 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: have you tested xserver-xfbdev?
Nov 23 16:38:39 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: nop
Nov 23 16:38:42 <RST38h> The only real "open source business model" is to take open source software and use it to make money, that's all
Nov 23 16:39:43 <Stskeeps> and focus on service instead and individual user requests?
Nov 23 16:39:55 <Stskeeps> (and hw)
Nov 23 16:40:41 <RST38h> Yes
Nov 23 16:41:01 <RST38h> Focus on whatever, as long as it is not sw development
Nov 23 16:41:33 <RST38h> You can go SUSE or Redhat road by compiling lots of OSS onto a CD and selling it
Nov 23 16:42:01 <RST38h> Or you can do service stuff (like using Asterisk to do VoIP)
Nov 23 16:42:30 <Stskeeps> how does that work with bread on table for the workers? (developers), though? :P
Nov 23 16:42:51 <RST38h> It does not
Nov 23 16:42:57 <RST38h> That is the whole point.
Nov 23 16:43:22 <Stskeeps> heh
Nov 23 16:43:24 <RST38h> Developers are basically left with enabling and/or customization
Nov 23 16:43:49 * Stskeeps is getting paid for oss work that enables higher level solutions, and is fairly happy about that.
Nov 23 16:46:03 <pupnik> nice Stskeeps
Nov 23 16:46:37 <RST38h> Stskeeps: The problem with enabling/customization stuff is that it is often intermittent
Nov 23 16:47:16 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i did custom coding for a while when i was a teen, on top of my oss product.. it was good as a teen but when you have to pay rent, food, etc, it doesn't work out
Nov 23 16:47:36 <Stskeeps> i make more sitting in my office for a day than i got in a month usually
Nov 23 16:47:37 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 23 16:52:38 <RST38h> Sts: yep
Nov 23 16:53:24 <RST38h> Sts: Actually, custom development pays off pretty well but it is not permanent
Nov 23 16:53:24 <pupnik> reminds me of that classic dilbert
Nov 23 16:54:31 <pupnik> http://www.cs.umu.se/~dva00nco/ubicomp/bilder/dilbert3.jpg
Nov 23 16:54:47 <Stskeeps> i wonder if there's a idea of open source but not distributing publically
Nov 23 16:54:48 <error_developer_> is anyone using ext2 on a flash card around now?
Nov 23 16:55:09 <Stskeeps> pupnik: hehe :P
Nov 23 16:55:39 <pupnik> error_developer_: i have ext2 on flash on my 770
Nov 23 16:56:09 <error_developer_> pupnik: i 'm figuring out how to get the file permissions sorted
Nov 23 16:56:36 * konttori_ updated his latest blog post to point to ukmp 1.81 version. http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/
Nov 23 16:56:39 <error_developer_> so the user can write to it when it's connected to the linux pc
Nov 23 16:57:14 <error_developer_> and then it could be deleted when it's disconnected from the pc
Nov 23 16:57:55 <error_developer_> pupnik: you know what i mean ..
Nov 23 16:58:15 <error_developer_> i added a gorup and a user with id 29999 on the linux pc
Nov 23 16:58:32 <error_developer_> they can read it now..
Nov 23 16:58:39 <pupnik> yeah was going to suggest that
Nov 23 16:58:54 <error_developer_> but still it's a bit messy
Nov 23 16:58:59 <pupnik> not sure where umask gets set on ITOS
Nov 23 16:59:09 <pupnik> used to be in .login / .cshrc back in.. oh 1988
Nov 23 16:59:17 <pupnik> :/
Nov 23 16:59:27 <error_developer_> yeah ..i use csh actually
Nov 23 16:59:32 <error_developer_> tcsh
Nov 23 16:59:52 <error_developer_> but it's on my production machine
Nov 23 17:00:32 <error_developer_> i could sort it out vwith NFS
Nov 23 17:00:56 <error_developer_> but there is no network there, only USB
Nov 23 17:01:04 <pupnik> looks pretty konttori_
Nov 23 17:01:27 <konttori_> thanks. I like it quite a bit.
Nov 23 17:02:10 <error_developer_> konttori_: how about ukmp and uktube on x86 linux?
Nov 23 17:04:29 <zakkm_> where would system icons and program icons be kept?
Nov 23 17:04:32 <zakkm_> what directory?
Nov 23 17:04:37 <zakkm_> (Diablo)
Nov 23 17:06:59 <qwerty12> /usr/share/icons/scalable/hildon (something like that)
Nov 23 17:07:24 <zakkm_> k thanks, missed the /icons
Nov 23 17:12:04 <zakkm_> cant find system icons?
Nov 23 17:12:11 <zakkm_> the browser, chat, programs.. one
Nov 23 17:15:11 <pupnik> i recall there being a number of directories where they could be
Nov 23 17:16:41 <zakkm_> this would do for now isuppose
Nov 23 17:16:53 <zakkm_> making them all grayscale
Nov 23 17:23:48 <pupnik> it might be nifty if one could someday do color-adjustment on-the-fly of themes
Nov 23 17:24:02 <pupnik> but that's quite 'verspielt'
Nov 23 17:28:55 <RST38h> if NIT themes were all done in 4 colors like Amiga desktop, it would be possible
Nov 23 17:51:46 <Stskeeps> penguinbait: the new stuff looks good, thumbs up
Nov 23 17:52:20 <penguinbait> thanks, did you install it?
Nov 23 17:52:51 <Stskeeps> nop, not yet
Nov 23 17:53:03 <Stskeeps> busy working on Mer package building :P
Nov 23 17:55:38 <penguinbait> Its working great, you can backup any partition to any partition, including usb disk.
Nov 23 17:55:50 <penguinbait> I need to figure out how to get usb boot working next
Nov 23 17:55:57 <Stskeeps> any way that you could be convinced to maybe start employing bootmenu items? it's in bootmenu svn so
Nov 23 17:56:21 <Stskeeps> quite easy to work with if you know which is internal and which is external
Nov 23 17:56:51 <Stskeeps> makes different combinations of clone/alternate OS/etc much easier
Nov 23 17:56:59 <konttori_> error_developer_: you can use both on x86 linux
Nov 23 17:57:03 <konttori_> they are python
Nov 23 17:57:26 <konttori_> however, the latest ukmp needs a small change to work on non-rotated mode
Nov 23 17:57:47 <penguinbait> not sure what your getting at sts?
Nov 23 17:58:05 <penguinbait> what do you mean? "any way that you could be convinced to maybe start employing bootmenu items?"
Nov 23 17:59:54 <Stskeeps> penguinbait: ah - basically, instead of regenerating bootmenu.conf with new stuff all the time, we have a system where you on maemo write a bootmenu item to /etc/bootmenu.d/<file>.item, with the info about what needs to be booted
Nov 23 18:00:12 <Stskeeps> and then run refresh_bootmenu.d to update the bootmenu item list in initfs
Nov 23 18:00:34 <Stskeeps> so you wold make a maemo-cloned.item for example
Nov 23 18:00:38 <penguinbait> Sts thats a great idea, but you should talk to Fanoush about that
Nov 23 18:00:40 <Stskeeps> which would then appear in the bootmenu
Nov 23 18:00:48 <Stskeeps> penguinbait: .. it's in bootmenu garage svn
Nov 23 18:00:48 <Stskeeps> :P
Nov 23 18:00:54 <Stskeeps> trust me, i've talked to him about this :)
Nov 23 18:01:02 <penguinbait> hehe
Nov 23 18:01:37 <Stskeeps> in the coming months we will definately see more alternative OS'es as everyone and their brother is porting to ARM
Nov 23 18:02:01 <Stskeeps> so it's just looking at the problem preemptively :)
Nov 23 18:02:09 <Stskeeps> svn also has a bootmenu .deb builder
Nov 23 18:02:38 <Stskeeps> well, a package that actually builds :P
Nov 23 18:02:50 <penguinbait> Well my new tools, allow you to have 6 partitions per SD card right now, and it allows you to select the items to include bootmenu
Nov 23 18:03:31 <Stskeeps> yeah - and in this case you wouldn't have a limit as you can add items easily, and don't have to scan every time for partitions and such
Nov 23 18:03:55 <Stskeeps> as when your tool adds a cloned OS, it simply adds the item
Nov 23 18:04:32 <penguinbait> or at least a check mark to decide to include it
Nov 23 18:04:55 <penguinbait> I agree it would be cool, but I am not the "one" ;)
Nov 23 18:05:22 <Stskeeps> hm? :P
Nov 23 18:06:33 <penguinbait> so what does Fanoush say when you talk to him?
Nov 23 18:08:19 <Stskeeps> .. i have commit to the bootmenu garage svn, the patch has been there for ages now, works for deblet, and we're discussing a bit how to include bootmenu in extras and such currently as part of a possible community edition of maemo where clone to SD, etc would be a part of the community edition..
Nov 23 18:08:57 <Stskeeps> the problem isn't so much the bootmenu.d system, the problem is that we haven't had a good reason to release a new tar.gz/deb yet
Nov 23 18:10:21 <penguinbait> so what still needs to be done?
Nov 23 18:10:25 <hahlobit> btw if bootmenu.conf found instead bootmenu.d can i add item there?
Nov 23 18:10:59 <Stskeeps> penguinbait: i'm asking if you're interested in using the bootmenu.d item system in your scripts for cloning, etc
Nov 23 18:11:22 <penguinbait> If you build it they will come
Nov 23 18:11:31 <penguinbait> absolutely
Nov 23 18:11:33 <Stskeeps> as in them generating bootmenu.d items instead of rebuilding bootmenu.conf
Nov 23 18:11:36 <penguinbait> its way cleaner
Nov 23 18:11:43 <Stskeeps> .. it is built
Nov 23 18:12:12 <penguinbait> I gotta run, send me pm, or I talk later
Nov 23 18:12:13 <Stskeeps> hahlobit: yeah, bootmenu.conf is a script itself, in svn it loads items from /etc/bootmenu.d/ on initfs
Nov 23 18:12:16 <Stskeeps> alright..
Nov 23 18:12:27 <hahlobit> ok
Nov 23 18:12:35 * Stskeeps hammers his head into the table several times
Nov 23 18:18:31 <Stskeeps> who was the local valac wizards here? :P
Nov 23 18:18:55 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, juergbi's one of the creators if I remember correctly :P
Nov 23 18:19:03 <Stskeeps> mmk
Nov 23 18:19:03 <qwerty12> Jaffa knows vala too afaik
Nov 23 18:19:13 <qwerty12> Bye!
Nov 23 18:19:15 <Stskeeps> or maybe it's just my packaging fu that's bad
Nov 23 18:19:41 <VDVsx> just for curiosity, the Fremantle Stars are already chosen by nokia ?
Nov 23 18:21:16 <juergbi> Stskeeps: what's the issue?
Nov 23 18:25:10 <Stskeeps> juergbi: ah. think it's just me, fighting with bzr and realizing it's a matter of make acting the way it should when .vala and .c is same timestamp, and we are bootstrapping valac.. :P
Nov 23 18:25:14 <Stskeeps> sorry for the highlight
Nov 23 18:27:35 <lcuk> VDVsx, friendview seems bare :( i dont know anyone almost
Nov 23 18:27:45 <Proteous> you are just a loser
Nov 23 18:27:47 <lcuk> and i dunno whos selected for what or where
Nov 23 18:27:59 <lcuk> yes Proteous i am
Nov 23 18:28:02 <Proteous> heh
Nov 23 18:28:15 <lcuk> but what exactly have i lost?
Nov 23 18:28:37 <Proteous> your disillusionment?
Nov 23 18:29:06 <lcuk> im fully allusioned though
Nov 23 18:29:16 <lcuk> is that even a word? :D
Nov 23 18:29:18 <Proteous> heh
Nov 23 18:29:48 <Proteous> disillusioned: To free from illusion
Nov 23 18:30:01 <Proteous> illusioned is a word
Nov 23 18:31:26 <lcuk> not according to the dictionary its not
Nov 23 18:32:07 <Proteous> that's just an illusion
Nov 23 19:03:44 <RST38h> mooooo
Nov 23 19:03:50 <Proteous> baaaaaa
Nov 23 19:04:19 <Stskeeps> mææh
Nov 23 19:04:21 <RST38h> Prouteous,lcook: ehlo
Nov 23 19:04:36 <RST38h> Sts: that looked like m}|{}|{h
Nov 23 19:04:37 <Proteous> suer
Nov 23 19:04:49 <Proteous> I saw mææh
Nov 23 19:05:08 <Proteous> woof
Nov 23 19:05:50 <Stskeeps> am i the only one annoyed about that maemo seems to think it needs to reboot when it's showing the charger window and you press power on?
Nov 23 19:05:56 <Stskeeps> .. it is -actually- booted, and has X up and everything
Nov 23 19:06:31 <RST38h> It has to restart all the needed services
Nov 23 19:06:48 <RST38h> It's easier to reboot than do it gracefully
Nov 23 19:06:52 <Stskeeps> heh
Nov 23 19:07:15 <Stskeeps> i don't actually think it needs to restart them - they don't care if it's on charger, boots anyway :P
Nov 23 19:07:17 <ShadowJK_> does it really use X for the charger window?
Nov 23 19:07:33 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK_: yeah, well, first one is a framebuffer image
Nov 23 19:08:46 <Stskeeps> (where splash normally would be)
Nov 23 19:19:38 <Stskeeps> if you people want to know stuff about CAL, https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/stlc45xx-devel/2008-November/000081.html seems to have figured the data strucure etc out and meanings of calibration etc :P
Nov 23 19:20:46 <Stskeeps> .. and quote of the year from igor, "hell, why wasting time with Lotus Notes and schematics when you can rape a battery"
Nov 23 19:41:34 <NesTnokiafreak_0> anyone helpfull here
Nov 23 19:42:12 <RST38h> No.
Nov 23 19:42:46 <NesTnokiafreak_0> i c dat
Nov 23 19:49:37 <josef|samba> does anyone have KDE 4 running on maemo so I could get a screenshot?
Nov 23 19:50:35 <lcuk> i think theres a screenshot available on google
Nov 23 19:50:48 <Stskeeps> think meiz had one.. sec
Nov 23 19:51:22 <josef|samba> well, I'd need a specific one, hence the question... the KNS2 download dialogue in particular, and how well it fits into the rather small resolution
Nov 23 19:52:01 <Stskeeps> ah
Nov 23 20:18:48 <b1ackdeath> has anyone been able to make there own nokia image/back up.... for example with an xp cd you can slipstream an update to it so when you install it you don't have to do an update. but in this case like install certain packages, so there already to be used ?? or am asking something thats crazy?
Nov 23 20:19:05 <Stskeeps> nop, not really crazy
Nov 23 20:19:49 <b1ackdeath> practical yes, difficult yes, can it be done it done know
Nov 23 20:31:24 <Stskeeps> damnit, why must a new ARG come out when i'm in the midst of my most stressy week ever.
Nov 23 20:32:03 <b1ackdeath> im sorry but about the image for nokia
Nov 23 20:32:48 <b1ackdeath> did any one replie to my comment?
Nov 23 20:32:58 <Stskeeps> yes, i did, and it is possible :P
Nov 23 20:33:09 <Stskeeps> you can dump your NAND and reflash using the flasher
Nov 23 20:33:50 <b1ackdeath> so if i can a clean install  with the stuff i wanted i could dump it and make a .bin back up?
Nov 23 20:34:02 <Stskeeps> yeah, technically
Nov 23 20:34:06 <lcuk> b1ackdeath, people make duplicates of their running system all the time onto different MMC cards, its just a slight sidestep to take that duplicate and use it as a source image
Nov 23 20:34:57 <lcuk> Stskeeps, arg?
Nov 23 20:35:12 <Stskeeps> lcuk: alternate reality game
Nov 23 20:35:17 <lcuk> yeah, which
Nov 23 20:35:28 <Stskeeps> lcuk: http://thisismymilwaukee.com/ (watch it through if you enjoy a good scifi, it is not what it seems like)
Nov 23 20:35:42 <b1ackdeath> i under stand the cloneing to the mmc cards it just making it into a .bin file for a back up on my computer is the hard part im trying to figure out
Nov 23 20:36:51 <Stskeeps> b1ackdeath: you'd have a better chance of doing the cloning to mmc and then taring it up on a computer
Nov 23 20:37:25 <b1ackdeath> ok but then how could i reflash it
Nov 23 20:38:27 <b1ackdeath> for the mmc cards  that would work but, what about the interal flash?
Nov 23 20:38:27 <Stskeeps> put mmc in your computer, untar it onto the fresh new filesystem, instantly done
Nov 23 20:39:14 <b1ackdeath> ok thanks
Nov 23 20:40:13 <oli> hey, Ive got an movie with black stripes (16/9 + stripes = 4/3) and when i play it on my n800 with mplayer i get an box with movie and black border around. Any suggestions how to zoom that movie? : )
Nov 23 20:40:24 <b1ackdeath> any one got a usb wireless adapter working on any of the tablets
Nov 23 20:41:47 <lcuk> no1 really bothers, especially since theres a perfectly good enough internal one
Nov 23 20:42:03 <lcuk> and usb wireless adds wires..
Nov 23 20:42:25 <b1ackdeath> but the internal one dosent suport packet injection
Nov 23 20:42:33 <lcuk> and?
Nov 23 20:43:12 <lcuk> b1ackdeath, are there any usb wireless adapters which can run on <100ma?
Nov 23 20:43:57 <oli> btw, can a 200ma device run with n800?
Nov 23 20:44:04 <lcuk> no
Nov 23 20:44:08 <lcuk> not without a hub
Nov 23 20:44:15 <lcuk> or other power injection method
Nov 23 20:44:15 <b1ackdeath> thats what i would use the exteral one for, by the way good job on liqbase
Nov 23 20:44:38 <oli> i've got an old flash drive and it works, lsusb tells me it's current == 200ma
Nov 23 20:46:08 <lcuk> well the usb otg spec says 100ma
Nov 23 20:46:19 <lcuk> max
Nov 23 20:46:26 <b1ackdeath> mhmhmhmh
Nov 23 20:46:30 <b1ackdeath> thanks tho
Nov 23 20:46:47 <lcuk> your old device is probably working because the label on it is wrong, OR the 200 is worst case scenario..
Nov 23 20:46:49 <lcuk> like this:
Nov 23 20:47:50 <lcuk> ive got a usb keyboard thats rated at 100ma, it works if i press one key at a time, if i do chording or make it display all the LEDs it crashes and wont work anymore until a full total battery popping reboot
Nov 23 20:48:47 <lcuk> if i do the same with a hub its fine
Nov 23 20:49:28 <oli> i am able to watch divx from that drive so information stored into chip must be fake ;]
Nov 23 20:49:42 <oli> and it's real current <100ma
Nov 23 20:49:42 <lcuk> b1ackdeath, :) thanks liqbase is a decent first crack
Nov 23 20:50:54 <lcuk> never said info wasnt fake, go read up on the usb OTG spec and make your own mind up
Nov 23 20:51:12 <lcuk> was fake ^
Nov 23 21:14:53 <lcuk> which rotated orientation do people use for their NITs
Nov 23 21:15:05 <lcuk> do you prefer buttons at the top or the bottom
Nov 23 21:15:19 * qwerty12_N800 rotates right
Nov 23 21:16:29 <lcuk> ok, so you have buttons at the base
Nov 23 21:18:42 <Stskeeps> habit from pda and easier to operate :P
Nov 23 21:21:21 * konttori_ rotates buttons top.
Nov 23 21:21:35 <konttori_> easier to access with holding device in left hand.
Nov 23 21:22:03 <lcuk> balls he left
Nov 23 21:22:08 <lcuk> i had a whole thing about that
Nov 23 21:22:53 <lcuk> Stskeeps, its the logical way, kontorris app is the first ive ever seen that way round
Nov 23 21:23:04 <lcuk> (ie backass) ;)
Nov 23 21:23:07 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 23 21:23:14 <lcuk> reminded me of a guy who would hold his mouse upside down
Nov 23 21:23:18 <lcuk> buttons towards him
Nov 23 21:23:21 <lcuk> +wire
Nov 23 21:23:36 <lcuk> freaked the feck out of everyone, but that was just the way his brain was wired
Nov 23 21:24:55 <lcuk> is async networking much more difficult than sync
Nov 23 21:25:10 <lcuk> errr sockets i mean
Nov 23 21:25:59 <Sargun> I can't wait until the new tablet is announced.
Nov 23 21:26:09 <Stskeeps> ways to discover your neighbours are home: see if they are visible on bluetooth.
Nov 23 21:26:10 <lcuk> you are gonna have to
Nov 23 21:26:21 <lcuk> i can hear em through the walls
Nov 23 21:26:27 <qwerty12_N800> ^
Nov 23 21:26:35 * lcuk wants a bigger house
Nov 23 21:26:43 * Stskeeps wonders wtf kind of format .amr is
Nov 23 21:27:00 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, mobile phone recording
Nov 23 21:27:01 <lcuk> music
Nov 23 21:27:49 * qwerty12_N800 phone records in amr. the tablet can play it back in default media player (though i did build mplayer with amr support)
Nov 23 21:27:51 <Stskeeps> scary, and the tablets plays it
Nov 23 21:35:13 <Stskeeps> lcuk: saw the weird video?
Nov 23 21:35:41 <lcuk> some of it, im not wasting 10+ minutes for an outline
Nov 23 21:35:50 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 23 21:36:04 <lcuk> "welcome to blah"    "stay away from blah"   "blah"
Nov 23 21:36:05 <Stskeeps> yeah, it is a bit of a drag to enter, think they had to fill out for clues :P
Nov 23 21:36:16 <lcuk> have you ever played original half life
Nov 23 21:36:54 <Stskeeps> think so, for a bit :P
Nov 23 21:37:19 <lcuk> that video reminded me of the opening sequence, except half life was actually good :P
Nov 23 21:37:20 <Stskeeps> i'm a sucker for alternate realities :P
Nov 23 21:37:44 <lcuk> (spend about 20 minutes on a train going round the complex, nothing to shoot kill hack maim destroy or anything
Nov 23 21:37:56 <Stskeeps> hehe
Nov 23 21:38:16 <lcuk> i cant even play portal at the moment :(
Nov 23 21:38:32 <lcuk> last time i tried my steam files were corrupt and wanted to redownload the whole lot
Nov 23 21:39:03 <`0660> portal was so good :)
Nov 23 21:39:21 <lcuk> was? it IS the single best concept for a game ever
Nov 23 21:39:36 <lcuk> executed so cleanly
Nov 23 21:39:50 * qwerty12_N800 deleted his steam folder when all of his gcf's were too old and i had no time to get new ones :(
Nov 23 21:40:04 <lcuk> same here qwerty, but i paid for mine :P
Nov 23 21:40:14 <qwerty12_N800> :P
Nov 23 21:40:42 <lcuk> shite! steam wont even startup
Nov 23 21:40:57 * Stskeeps swears by civilization3, red alert 2
Nov 23 21:41:47 <Stskeeps> though i don't play that often anymore
Nov 23 21:42:01 <lcuk> "Steam.exe (main exception): CMultiFieldBlob(pSerialized): Bad field - extends past end of blob"
Nov 23 21:42:13 <lcuk> damn, that was meant for google
Nov 23 21:42:38 <qwerty12_N800> get a offline emulator for now :p
Nov 23 21:42:50 <lcuk> nahh
Nov 23 21:43:12 <lcuk> not risking my account, ep3 better be good
Nov 23 21:43:30 <qwerty12_N800> yeah :/
Nov 23 21:47:05 * qwerty12_N800 wonders why asound.conf on the tablets can be found as /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf instead of /etc/asound.conf as it should be :\
Nov 23 21:48:36 <qwerty12_N800> No it shouldn't be, i'm hyped
Nov 23 21:56:21 <lcuk> sssppppppppaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmm man
Nov 23 22:13:57 <lcuk> w000t, got portal running
Nov 23 22:14:03 <lcuk> bbnextweek ;)
Nov 23 22:23:40 <RST38h> http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/24375710/requiem_for_a_maverick
Nov 23 22:28:12 <Mousey> anybody know a cool new toy i should totally have on my NIT?
Nov 23 22:30:52 <RST38h> This depends on what toys you already have
Nov 23 22:31:04 <mavhc> all the cool old toys
Nov 23 22:31:09 <GeneralAntilles> Clearly he should buy more Nokia merchandise
Nov 23 22:33:17 <sp3000> RST38h: "Posted Nov 27, 2008"
Nov 23 22:33:39 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, he's fetching from the future now.
Nov 23 22:36:53 <RST38h> sp3000: gazing into crystal ball
Nov 23 22:37:18 <GeneralAntilles> sp3000, you could fetch from the future too, if only you were more awesome. :P
Nov 23 22:37:33 <sp3000> well clearly I'm doing it right now
Nov 23 22:43:05 <Mousey> gah
Nov 23 22:43:16 <Mousey> RST38h: talk about counting your chickens WAY before they hatch
Nov 23 22:43:32 <Oli-n800> any serious mobile control programme, instead phonelink? ;)
Nov 23 22:44:57 <Stskeeps> hmm. Tablet death and "these devices are not hard-wired to self-destruct" and then talking about 770s..? :P
Nov 23 22:45:03 <RST38h> Mousey: not really, more like burying the dead ones from the previous batch
Nov 23 22:45:17 <Mousey> heh
Nov 23 22:45:26 <RST38h> but give him time, he is known for laying feces on both sides of the road
Nov 23 22:45:53 <Mousey> well i find it amusing that soooooo many people, especially in the media are all but conviced he's the fucking second coming
Nov 23 22:46:27 <Mousey> i mean, i voted for him, but c'mon, he should really get into office and do some shit before people start writing hymns about him
Nov 23 22:46:47 <RST38h> Mousey: too much humiliation during the last 8 years, that's all
Nov 23 22:46:56 <guysoft42> hey, i plugged a mouse to my nokia n810 with a female-female adaptor. i got the LED of it on, but it does not seem to be recognised yet, what module do i need to probe to get it working?
Nov 23 22:47:00 <RST38h> will evaporate in the first 6 months
Nov 23 22:47:02 <Mousey> i guess..
Nov 23 22:50:40 <crashanddie> sometimes I don't understand why the fuck people have to be middle-meddling-arses
Nov 23 22:51:15 <crashanddie> Why the fuck is it such a big deal the council is getting a private email address?
Nov 23 22:52:01 <guysoft42> does anyone know what i need to do to get that mouse working? the device seems to think its a storage device and says something about a bad filesystem..
Nov 23 22:52:33 <sp3000> crashanddie: I don't know, but let's talk about PIMs
Nov 23 22:53:00 * sp3000 channels -users
Nov 23 22:53:10 <RST38h> guysoft: find HID driver and load it
Nov 23 22:53:24 <guysoft42> RST38h, i thaught it was psmosue..
Nov 23 22:53:30 <guysoft42> thought*
Nov 23 22:53:50 <RST38h> should be, yes
Nov 23 22:53:56 <crashanddie> you obviously have a hard time spelling 7 letter words correctly? :P
Nov 23 22:54:38 <guysoft42> i seem to get : modprobe: unable to parse modules.dep
Nov 23 22:54:46 <guysoft42> RST38h, ^
Nov 23 22:55:56 <Oli-n800> use insmod , sweetie ;(
Nov 23 22:56:04 <Oli-n800> ;) *
Nov 23 22:56:58 <guysoft42> Oli-n800, where are all the modules? :S
Nov 23 22:57:04 <guysoft42> /lib/modules is empty
Nov 23 22:57:54 <qwerty12_N800> /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/`uname -r`
Nov 23 22:58:09 <Oli-n800> qwerty12_N800, faster one ;p
Nov 23 22:58:17 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie! :D
Nov 23 22:58:26 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, is GPLv2 acceptable for your translation?
Nov 23 22:58:42 <crashanddie> my translation?
Nov 23 22:58:51 <crashanddie> oh
Nov 23 22:59:03 <GeneralAntilles> I see how important it is to you. :P
Nov 23 22:59:07 <crashanddie> my translation is offered to the public domain
Nov 23 22:59:25 <crashanddie> otherwise known as "I don't honestly give a fuck"
Nov 23 22:59:27 <GeneralAntilles> OK, thanks.
Nov 23 22:59:42 <GeneralAntilles> Work still fun and exciting?
Nov 23 22:59:55 * lcuk would be surprised at anyone offering any other license
Nov 23 22:59:56 <guysoft42> Oli-n800, ok. lets ssee
Nov 23 22:59:56 <crashanddie> yeah, minus getting robbed in the hotel room
Nov 23 23:00:01 <crashanddie> actually
Nov 23 23:00:03 <GeneralAntilles> Ouch
Nov 23 23:00:05 <crashanddie> my translation is BSD
Nov 23 23:00:06 <crashanddie> :D
Nov 23 23:00:14 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Nov 23 23:00:15 <GeneralAntilles> <_<
Nov 23 23:00:15 <crashanddie> nha, jk
Nov 23 23:00:33 <Oli-n800> sooo.. is there any tool for mobile sms sending and contact browsing and similar?
Nov 23 23:00:41 <lcuk> i can offer to translate those options into northern if you are interested
Nov 23 23:00:49 <GeneralAntilles> Oli-n800, only phonelink so far
Nov 23 23:00:57 <GeneralAntilles> I wish there were a nicely integrated one that didn't suck
Nov 23 23:01:04 <lcuk> Oli-n800, sounds like you need one of those mobile phone thingies
Nov 23 23:01:17 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, that's the point.
Nov 23 23:01:19 <lcuk> they let you send smss on the go
Nov 23 23:01:23 <crashanddie> I saw a northern keyboard was
Nov 23 23:01:28 <GeneralAntilles> The same situation I elaborated on a few days ago.
Nov 23 23:02:15 <Oli-n800> don't laught ;) nobody ported wammu yet?
Nov 23 23:02:32 <crashanddie> the escape key was labelled "cock", backspace was "noooooooo", and ctrl + alt + del was "time + for + beer" (locking windows)
Nov 23 23:03:13 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, I'm n810-less now
Nov 23 23:03:25 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, what'd you do to it?
Nov 23 23:03:39 <guysoft42> Oli-n800, does it make sense that the module is not there?
Nov 23 23:03:42 <crashanddie> it got stolen in the hotel... keep up will ya?
Nov 23 23:03:48 <GeneralAntilles> Oooh
Nov 23 23:03:49 <GeneralAntilles> Ouch. :(
Nov 23 23:04:05 <crashanddie> I actually fucking regret I never got to writing the anti-stealing daemon with gps localising
Nov 23 23:04:09 <lcuk> so who was in your hotel room
Nov 23 23:04:27 <crashanddie> one of the maids probably
Nov 23 23:04:28 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, somebody else has been working on it.
Nov 23 23:04:30 <lcuk> cos ive never had any luck breaking into the wrong room (even though ive carded/keyed quite a few in a drunken stuor)
Nov 23 23:04:36 <Oli-n800> i've no idea, only mod i've been using was g_ether and cx....
Nov 23 23:04:47 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk was there to get his second N810. :P
Nov 23 23:05:05 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, you'll probably be more pissed to fibd phonehome in extras...
Nov 23 23:05:13 <lcuk> shurrup gen, its not funny, the missus thinks they are breeding
Nov 23 23:05:15 <lcuk> theres 3 now
Nov 23 23:05:16 <qwerty12_N800> *find
Nov 23 23:05:26 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, I'm back down to 3.
Nov 23 23:05:32 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, sod a dog
Nov 23 23:05:46 <crashanddie> well, not you
Nov 23 23:05:46 <lcuk> i finally have a decent screen on primary though now :)
Nov 23 23:05:55 <crashanddie> just an expletive
Nov 23 23:05:56 <qwerty12_N800> heh :)
Nov 23 23:05:57 <lcuk> its good to touch and not have a mess
Nov 23 23:06:08 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, well, the goodnews is that you can get a new one now that you're gainfully employed, right? ;)
Nov 23 23:06:34 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, I'm wondering if I shouldn't wait for the new version
Nov 23 23:06:37 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, any news on that?
Nov 23 23:06:37 <lcuk> he can get a new one after throttling the manager of the hotel (if they didnt supply a safe)
Nov 23 23:06:48 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, next summer
Nov 23 23:07:12 <GeneralAntilles> Besides, I bet you can rack up enough karma to net yourself a discounted one. :P
Nov 23 23:07:35 <crashanddie> fuck that, the karma points going to come and fuck up my mood again?
Nov 23 23:08:00 <crashanddie> but yeah, I had a travel insurance and shit, and the hotel should be paying things back
Nov 23 23:08:11 <crashanddie> so I should get a new one
Nov 23 23:08:21 <GeneralAntilles> Good
Nov 23 23:08:25 <crashanddie> but well, the n810's GPS is shite, truth be told
Nov 23 23:08:32 <crashanddie> I wouldn't mind a little update
Nov 23 23:09:52 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, your itT thanks more than doubled your karma. :P
Nov 23 23:10:21 <crashanddie> seriously?
Nov 23 23:10:27 <crashanddie> what thanks?
Nov 23 23:10:29 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/profile/view/crashanddie/
Nov 23 23:10:31 <crashanddie> Because I thanked people?
Nov 23 23:10:45 <crashanddie> holy crap, 37 karma?
Nov 23 23:12:43 <crashanddie> wow
Nov 23 23:13:19 <crashanddie> [Joins fingers in a Mr. Burns manner] Eeeexcellent [/]
Nov 23 23:13:40 <GeneralAntilles> 'course, I picked up 300 karma from that one. :P
Nov 23 23:14:01 <crashanddie> can't believe you actually get karma because people thank you
Nov 23 23:14:13 <crashanddie> karma is so ridiculous
Nov 23 23:14:13 <lcuk> hmmm i have no itt thanks
Nov 23 23:14:25 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, is your profile in your maemo.org profile?
Nov 23 23:14:26 <crashanddie> I should introduce it to the company
Nov 23 23:14:35 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, hey, we might add IRC lines some day. :D
Nov 23 23:14:41 <crashanddie> nha
Nov 23 23:14:43 <crashanddie> don't care about that no more
Nov 23 23:14:46 <GeneralAntilles> karma is just community participation
Nov 23 23:14:51 <crashanddie> I'm not an IRC pimp anymore
Nov 23 23:14:58 <crashanddie> so that ain't gonna help me
Nov 23 23:15:14 <lcuk> ok gen, which itt page do i put on my profile
Nov 23 23:15:22 <lcuk> or do i just give it my usernick
Nov 23 23:15:22 <crashanddie> You wanna know the sad part of my job?
Nov 23 23:15:31 <lcuk> none of it
Nov 23 23:15:43 <crashanddie> I haven't written a line of code since the 15th of october
Nov 23 23:15:56 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15861
Nov 23 23:16:35 <sp3000> iow, "sober for 39 days"
Nov 23 23:17:14 <crashanddie> You know how during the first few weeks of a new job
Nov 23 23:17:20 <crashanddie> it's like you're going to AA all the time?
Nov 23 23:17:38 <crashanddie> Every meeting you have to introduce yourself "Hi, my name is Sebastian" ALL: "Welcome Sebastian"
Nov 23 23:17:43 <guysoft42> yay, usb keybaord working :)
Nov 23 23:18:10 <crashanddie> though, it's pretty good nobody at work knows my internet moniker
Nov 23 23:18:18 <crashanddie> I'd be so fucked if they ever found the logs in this channel
Nov 23 23:18:48 * GeneralAntilles sends an email.
Nov 23 23:19:40 <lcuk> why
Nov 23 23:19:42 <crashanddie> (wilx) http://codepad.org/IBMKiiIL <-- does anyone else read "IBM KILL" in that hyperlink?
Nov 23 23:20:16 <crashanddie> lcuk, cuz i've said some pretty fucked up stuff :P
Nov 23 23:20:49 <lcuk> yes, but your noise to unruly signal ratio isnt that bad
Nov 23 23:20:58 <doc|home> crashanddie: yep
Nov 23 23:21:30 <crashanddie> lcuk, yeah well, it's not like I'm one of the driving forces behind #maemo or anything
Nov 23 23:21:44 <crashanddie> I'm just one of the in-house trolls we keep for amusement
Nov 23 23:22:59 <lcuk> yeah :P but you were bought out in a corporate coup
Nov 23 23:23:09 <crashanddie> anyway, at some point my manager introduces me to the whole company, he asked me to write a small biography, sent an email to EVERYONE with a biography that had nothing to do with what I had sent him in the first place
Nov 23 23:23:41 <crashanddie> I get a few replies, one asking "what Open Source projects did you work on, as said in your biography?"
Nov 23 23:24:14 * lcuk is confused
Nov 23 23:24:21 <lcuk> i thought you were there to do security?
Nov 23 23:24:29 <crashanddie> I am
Nov 23 23:24:33 <crashanddie> it was just an introduction
Nov 23 23:25:51 <crashanddie> "err... CarbonPHP? liqbase? Well, to be honest, I did more consulting for liqbase than real work", the bloke replied "never did anything for significant Open Source projects?", I'm quite cross, I reply "I'm very sorry, but I think you'll find liqbase bloody well is a significant project"
Nov 23 23:26:27 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Nov 23 23:26:43 <lcuk> well tyvm for support, but even i know in the grand scene liqbase is piddly
Nov 23 23:26:48 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie's a poser open source contributor.
Nov 23 23:27:16 <crashanddie> that evening, at the pub, one of the guys asks "So Seb, I get the feeling you like to swear quite a bit?" me: "fuck yeah", him: "no, cuz your 'bloody open source project' email was copied to the whole company"
Nov 23 23:27:34 <GeneralAntilles> Ahaha
Nov 23 23:27:36 <GeneralAntilles> Poor bastard
Nov 23 23:27:54 <lcuk> :D nice
Nov 23 23:27:57 <lcuk> ill check for hits
Nov 23 23:28:19 <crashanddie> The thing is
Nov 23 23:28:33 <crashanddie> Yeah, I actually might be an open source contributor poser
Nov 23 23:28:43 <crashanddie> in a sense, for the past 6 months that's all that I've been
Nov 23 23:29:19 <GeneralAntilles> Well, there's only one solution for that. Use your remaining 7 hours a day to provide patches to Maemo.
Nov 23 23:29:31 <crashanddie> what remaining 7 hours?
Nov 23 23:29:50 <GeneralAntilles> The sleeping ones.
Nov 23 23:29:53 <crashanddie> I want to sleep a bit
Nov 23 23:29:58 <crashanddie> fuck it
Nov 23 23:30:01 <lcuk> nothing major on the radar, but there is one hit from google that came to me "liqbase sebastian bloody"
Nov 23 23:30:02 <lcuk> :D
Nov 23 23:30:14 <crashanddie> wtf?
Nov 23 23:30:17 <lcuk> heh
Nov 23 23:30:18 <lcuk> jk
Nov 23 23:31:12 <crashanddie> lcuk, coming down to london any time soon?
Nov 23 23:32:27 <lcuk> technically no reason not to, but missus would moan at me and i cant handle the flack
Nov 23 23:33:03 <crashanddie> well
Nov 23 23:33:06 <crashanddie> if you ever do
Nov 23 23:33:07 <lcuk> i wanna do some travelling before xmas
Nov 23 23:33:09 <crashanddie> be sure to hit me
Nov 23 23:33:16 <crashanddie> I'll be in the south of france for xmas though
Nov 23 23:33:22 <lcuk> yeah will be before
Nov 23 23:33:28 <crashanddie> I'm taking two weeks off
Nov 23 23:33:29 <lcuk> really hit you or come for a beer?
Nov 23 23:33:46 <crashanddie> you're skinny, you can always try to hit me but you'll probably break your first
Nov 23 23:33:47 <crashanddie> fist**
Nov 23 23:33:55 <crashanddie> :P
Nov 23 23:34:21 <crashanddie> So I guess I'll be taking off from London around the 16th of december or something
Nov 23 23:34:27 <crashanddie> and coming back around the 5th
Nov 23 23:34:34 <lcuk> oi big guy
Nov 23 23:34:36 * lcuk would kick you in the shins, knee you in the face then fart on your head before you even get a chance to move :P
Nov 23 23:34:51 <crashanddie> whatever ninja kid
Nov 23 23:34:54 <crashanddie> :P
Nov 23 23:34:58 <lcuk> :D
Nov 23 23:35:06 <crashanddie> anyway
Nov 23 23:35:08 <crashanddie> time to do some PR
Nov 23 23:35:09 <lcuk> you managed to get a decent holiday already?
Nov 23 23:35:20 <crashanddie> how is liqbase coming down?
Nov 23 23:35:30 <crashanddie> What is new, what you working on, what are the next milestones?
Nov 23 23:36:26 <crashanddie> (yeah, well the whole company is closing down for a whole week, so taking an extra week really isn't a bad thing... It's like company spirit to really bust your nuts off the whole year, but it's complete lockdown for christmas... my coworker takes a whole month off)
Nov 23 23:36:56 <lcuk> ahh
Nov 23 23:37:43 <lcuk> liqbase is in pieces :) ive stripped self right back and im trying to decide something, either make liqtile widgetset properly, or drop liqtile and do everything inside sketches (which are already recursive)
Nov 23 23:37:57 <lcuk> ive created the core networking and database code
Nov 23 23:38:13 <crashanddie> packaging doing fine now?
Nov 23 23:38:15 <crashanddie> is that fine tuned?
Nov 23 23:38:22 <lcuk> i can now talk either directly over ip at main desktop machine sending streaming strokes and points
Nov 23 23:38:36 <lcuk> yeah - its as smooth as its gonna be
Nov 23 23:38:45 <lcuk> i just stripped eeverything right back
Nov 23 23:38:52 <crashanddie> do you have a testing cycle before releasing to public?
Nov 23 23:39:02 <lcuk> there were a few things i didnt like implemntionation wise and have to document and deal with better
Nov 23 23:39:07 <crashanddie> Or do you just release on the fly with a "fuck it I'm just playing around" licence?
Nov 23 23:39:11 <lcuk> yes a very long drawn out one ;)
Nov 23 23:39:20 <lcuk> no, same as before
Nov 23 23:39:36 <lcuk> nice and quiet until it grows again
Nov 23 23:39:52 <crashanddie> ok
Nov 23 23:39:59 <lcuk> ill get things right first, then it will come through #liqbase and then into -devel then extras
Nov 23 23:39:59 <crashanddie> maybe you don't want to talk about this in public
Nov 23 23:40:02 <crashanddie> news from Nokia?
Nov 23 23:40:05 <lcuk> tlaking isnt a problem
Nov 23 23:40:14 <lcuk> no
Nov 23 23:40:33 <crashanddie> so no big contract, no big talks?
Nov 23 23:41:05 <lcuk> there is one app i wanted you to see, its nice as well - from a guy called jagernot, hes done his version of pyano with sitar, but its in c and very quick feeling and touchfriendly
Nov 23 23:41:06 <lcuk> no
Nov 23 23:42:05 <crashanddie> bugger
Nov 23 23:42:36 <crashanddie> you still don't have a phone up there?
Nov 23 23:43:06 <lcuk> even worse i left it at dayjob on friday - ive been bare all weekend
Nov 23 23:43:18 <crashanddie> cock
Nov 23 23:53:32 <Guest69449> got a n810 wimax and wondering if anyone knows how to use the key bindings to get to the menus
Nov 23 23:54:37 <GeneralAntilles> Guest69449, could you go into a little more detail?
Nov 23 23:55:08 <Guest69449> yes, using the slide keyboard is there a way to access the menuing system
Nov 23 23:55:13 <GeneralAntilles> Ah
Nov 23 23:55:23 <GeneralAntilles> I think there is, but I don't have an N810 so I couldn't say for sure.
Nov 23 23:55:36 <GeneralAntilles> There's a keyboard applet in Control Panels that has some shortcuts
Nov 23 23:55:38 <GeneralAntilles> That might help.
Nov 23 23:55:57 <lcuk> Guest69449, why cant u use the screen?
Nov 23 23:56:11 <Guest69449> i can, just lazy
Nov 23 23:56:29 <Guest69449> wanted to try and config to use just keyboard for all actions
Nov 23 23:57:06 <Guest69449> its probably running X so maybe theres a default key binding or maybe some
Nov 23 23:57:21 <Guest69449> has a software tool to overide?
Nov 23 23:59:56 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, but I'm blanking on the name.
Nov 24 00:00:56 <Guest69449> would it be on maemo.org?
Nov 24 00:01:49 <GeneralAntilles> Probably, but not sure.
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