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Dec 01 03:00:09 <l7> hmm, what is the short explanation of how it works?
Dec 01 03:01:14 <dmsuperman> First it defines some variables to be used for later
Dec 01 03:01:51 <dmsuperman> Line 10 searches the backup directory for the newest one (simply by ordering the directory names, I named them by date in such a way that they return in chronological order)
Dec 01 03:02:19 <l7> ah, i like how it creaaaaates a date based directory for the destination
Dec 01 03:02:24 <dmsuperman> Line 16 defines the folders to exclude from the backup, mostly just stuff that you wouldn't want to back up /proc and /sys and hte like
Dec 01 03:03:05 <zakkm> do you all leave many apps running on nokia, even if your not particularly using it for like 30min or so?
Dec 01 03:03:14 <zakkm> or do you open apps and close them as you use them
Dec 01 03:03:22 <dmsuperman> Then the if statement checks if there is already a backup, if not it creates a backup
Dec 01 03:03:33 <dmsuperman> If one already exists, it hardlinks the entire thing into the new backup dir
Dec 01 03:03:47 <dmsuperman> And in both cases it uses rsync to copy all modified files from the current / to the backup one
Dec 01 03:04:24 <dmsuperman> Then the bottom just creates the mountpoints so when you restore the backup it'll boot
Dec 01 03:06:20 <l7> oh, neat it's bootable
Dec 01 03:07:46 <l7> line 10 has me confused slightly
Dec 01 03:08:44 <dmsuperman> That's the one that finds the newest backup
Dec 01 03:09:07 <dmsuperman> It lists all of the directories in the backup directory, in reverse order, and returns the last one
Dec 01 03:09:27 <dmsuperman> Since they're written like YYYY.MM.DD.HH.MM.SS they'll return newest last
Dec 01 03:10:06 <l7> oh, so this is what allows the incremental backup to work properly
Dec 01 03:10:13 <dmsuperman> Right
Dec 01 03:10:25 <dmsuperman> To avoid having to store them in a database or anything
Dec 01 03:10:47 <dmsuperman> I just use the directory name as the backup date so I can easily determine the newest
Dec 01 03:11:42 <l7> doesn't this nest every new backup inside the last one?
Dec 01 03:11:54 <dmsuperman> No
Dec 01 03:12:18 <dmsuperman> dmsuperman@blitzkrieg:/backups/incremental$ ls
Dec 01 03:12:18 <dmsuperman> 2008.11.04.02.30  2008.11.11.02.30  2008.11.18.02.30  2008.11.25.02.30
Dec 01 03:12:36 <l7> oh right $DESTDIR is always constant
Dec 01 03:12:47 <dmsuperman> Right
Dec 01 03:13:12 <l7> my battery level must be low
Dec 01 03:14:36 <l7> does rsync copy any symlinks over exactly?
Dec 01 03:15:01 <dmsuperman> I forget what each argument means, but with the arugments I pass it copies them as symlinks
Dec 01 03:15:18 <l7> ah cool
Dec 01 03:15:57 <l7> last time i messed around with rsync i ran into some problems with symlinks and used tar instead
Dec 01 03:16:32 <dmsuperman> Yeah it's all about telling it the right arguments
Dec 01 03:16:58 <dmsuperman> -v is verbose backup, --delete deletes files from the backup that no longer exist in the source dir
Dec 01 03:17:08 <l7> one thing i like about using tar is that it creates one big file which copies between filesystems much quicker
Dec 01 03:17:28 <dmsuperman> That is good
Dec 01 03:17:37 <soap> where do I set persistent aliases in the N810's shell?  .bash_aliases?
Dec 01 03:17:45 <dmsuperman> With rsync you can use sshfs though
Dec 01 03:18:07 <l7> maybe it would be possible to put each of these backups inside a gzipped tar file
Dec 01 03:18:31 <dmsuperman> You could do that, add it to the script
Dec 01 03:18:46 <dmsuperman> So after it rsyncs, you could maybe tar it up
Dec 01 03:19:11 <l7> yeah, i guess it could be done by storing it /backups/incremental/, then tar it
Dec 01 03:19:16 <dmsuperman> The whole reason I like mine though is by using hardlinks it makes it incremental and barely any more storage used
Dec 01 03:19:31 <dmsuperman> I have 4 backups of my 7GB /, totalling 10GB
Dec 01 03:20:11 <l7> do you put it into a cron job to run regularly?
Dec 01 03:20:26 <dmsuperman> Yeah, I run it once a week
Dec 01 03:20:31 <dmsuperman> I have a very similar one for my ~
Dec 01 03:20:38 <l7> i've been trying to figure out the easier way to avoid backing up my huge media files
Dec 01 03:20:42 <dmsuperman> Then I have another one that runs once a month to delete all backups older than 2 months
Dec 01 03:21:05 <l7> moving media files out of the home dir seems like one way to go
Dec 01 03:21:16 <dmsuperman> Yeah my ~ only has configuration
Dec 01 03:21:33 <dmsuperman> ~/Music and the like are symlinked to /media/Media which is a hard drive just for media
Dec 01 03:21:34 <infobot> okay, dmsuperman
Dec 01 03:21:42 <l7> heh
Dec 01 03:21:55 <dmsuperman> ?
Dec 01 03:22:18 <johnx> ~/Music
Dec 01 03:22:29 <dmsuperman> Oh haha
Dec 01 03:22:50 <johnx> but I don't know what infobot is thinking of it internally
Dec 01 03:22:50 <l7> er infobot records any "~$foo is" statements into it's memory
Dec 01 03:23:08 <johnx> I didn't know it would pick up a foo and bar are though
Dec 01 03:23:15 <l7> how to you tell infobot to forget things?
Dec 01 03:23:22 <l7> s/to/do/
Dec 01 03:23:23 <infobot> l7 meant: how do you tell infobot to forget things?
Dec 01 03:23:33 <johnx> well, first you figure out what it thinks is the name, then tell it forget foo
Dec 01 03:23:57 <johnx> ~/Music and the like
Dec 01 03:23:58 <infobot> /music and the like are symlinked to /media/Media which is a hard drive just for media
Dec 01 03:24:05 <l7> infobot: forget ~/Music
Dec 01 03:24:06 <infobot> i didn't have anything called '~/music' to forget, l7
Dec 01 03:24:10 <l7> infobot: forget /Music
Dec 01 03:24:11 <infobot> l7: i didn't have anything called '/music' to forget
Dec 01 03:24:20 <johnx> give it the whole line
Dec 01 03:24:26 <johnx> er
Dec 01 03:24:35 <johnx> infobot, forget ~/Music and the like
Dec 01 03:24:35 <infobot> i didn't have anything called '~/music and the like' to forget, johnx
Dec 01 03:24:45 <dmsuperman> Hahahha
Dec 01 03:24:45 <johnx> infobot, forget /Music and the like
Dec 01 03:24:46 <infobot> johnx: i forgot /music and the like
Dec 01 03:24:54 <l7> heh
Dec 01 03:25:02 <johnx> infobot, go cry in a corner
Dec 01 03:25:14 <dmsuperman> Anybody know the easiest way, in a bash script, to determine 2 months ago? Like, I want September 2008.
Dec 01 03:25:17 <dmsuperman> For today
Dec 01 03:25:18 <l7> infobot: forget remove-osso-toolbar and the like
Dec 01 03:25:18 <infobot> l7: i didn't have anything called 'remove-osso-toolbar and the like' to forget
Dec 01 03:25:30 <l7> infobot: forget remove-osso-scrollbar and the like
Dec 01 03:25:31 <infobot> l7: i didn't have anything called 'remove-osso-scrollbar and the like' to forget
Dec 01 03:25:56 <johnx> it was "/Music and the like" because it picks up everything before the is/are
Dec 01 03:26:04 <johnx> forget remove-osso-scrollbar
Dec 01 03:26:09 <johnx> infobot, forget remove-osso-scrollbar
Dec 01 03:26:09 <infobot> johnx: i forgot remove-osso-scrollbar
Dec 01 03:26:42 <johnx> of course, every time I correct someone I must also make a mistake. that's how the universe balances :)
Dec 01 03:26:52 <l7> heh
Dec 01 03:27:06 <l7> dmsuperman: maybe there's a date command for it, but i need to learn more unix to know it
Dec 01 03:27:31 <johnx> why not just keep x backups
Dec 01 03:27:35 <dmsuperman> I know how to do date, but I'm not sure how to do like -2 months
Dec 01 03:27:46 <dmsuperman> johnx: Just in case I make an extra backup for whatever reason
Dec 01 03:27:54 <l7> you could try touching a file to creat a file, then using touch to subtract two months from that file
Dec 01 03:28:00 <l7> then get the date from that file
Dec 01 03:28:05 <l7> rather convoluted though
Dec 01 03:28:11 <johnx> you could number them in seconds since the epoch. that would make the math better
Dec 01 03:28:44 <dmsuperman> I'm doing that
Dec 01 03:28:52 <dmsuperman> But I'm not sure how to subtract 2 months from today in seconds
Dec 01 03:28:58 <dmsuperman> -60 days doesn't always work
Dec 01 03:29:15 <dmsuperman> Because months aren't all 30 days
Dec 01 03:29:39 <johnx> well, you only want to delete things that are *older* than two months, right? so just make it the worst case: 62 days
Dec 01 03:29:47 <l7> yeah, our calender system is terribly imprecise there
Dec 01 03:30:05 <johnx> much easier to do it by weeks
Dec 01 03:30:20 <l7> hmm, good point
Dec 01 03:30:26 <dmsuperman> Well basically
Dec 01 03:30:41 <dmsuperman> I want to determine 2 months ago, then I can do rm 2008.09.*
Dec 01 03:31:36 <dmsuperman> I dunno, I'm just trying to create a script to delete everything from >= 2 months ago
Dec 01 03:31:53 <dmsuperman> I have one but for instance I ran it today and it deleted 2008.10.*
Dec 01 03:32:03 <dmsuperman> So it's wrong.
Dec 01 03:32:19 <johnx> you know about cut, right?
Dec 01 03:32:23 <dmsuperman> :O
Dec 01 03:32:37 <dmsuperman> Oh, no that's not what I want
Dec 01 03:32:48 <dmsuperman> How is that helpful?
Dec 01 03:33:09 <johnx> thinking, hang on
Dec 01 03:33:18 <johnx> this is an interesting problem :)
Dec 01 03:33:22 <dmsuperman> :)
Dec 01 03:33:58 <johnx> so once it's december, get rid of anything from september?
Dec 01 03:34:03 <l7> that's a laudable attitude
Dec 01 03:34:13 <l7> i would just find it aggravating usually
Dec 01 03:34:24 <dmsuperman> johnx: Yeah
Dec 01 03:34:24 <l7> on december 1st i assume
Dec 01 03:34:29 <dmsuperman> I'll run it on the 1st of each month
Dec 01 03:34:40 <dmsuperman> And delete everything that's not from the previous month or the one before it
Dec 01 03:34:51 <dmsuperman> I don't want to trust the modification time, I just have a bad feeling about that
Dec 01 03:35:00 <dmsuperman> If I ever moved or copied it and forgot to preserve times or something
Dec 01 03:35:50 <johnx> so really on the last day of november it should delete september?
Dec 01 03:36:02 <dmsuperman> Sure, or the first of december
Dec 01 03:36:07 <johnx> errr
Dec 01 03:36:16 <johnx> that makes things difficult
Dec 01 03:36:23 <dmsuperman> Why?
Dec 01 03:36:55 <dmsuperman> I'd actually prefer anything September and older, that way it catches old stuff in case the cycle script doesn't run on time
Dec 01 03:36:59 <l7> there's a linux program called "time" something that uses this system too iirc
Dec 01 03:37:02 <dmsuperman> But if not Just deleting september is fine
Dec 01 03:37:04 <l7> hardlinking that is
Dec 01 03:37:19 <l7> and of course apple's time machine
Dec 01 03:59:34 <johnx> dmsuperman, http://pastebin.ca/1271936
Dec 01 03:59:50 <johnx> I'm sure there's a better way to do this, but this made the most sense to me
Dec 01 03:59:58 <johnx> maybe some clever use of find or somesuch
Dec 01 04:01:01 <johnx> is that more or less what you want?
Dec 01 04:04:39 <dmsuperman> johnx: I actually just finished writing my own
Dec 01 04:04:44 <johnx> ah
Dec 01 04:04:50 <dmsuperman> johnx: PHP has a string math function
Dec 01 04:05:03 <dmsuperman> johnx: So I wrote a little thing that takes the strings and prints dates
Dec 01 04:05:10 <dmsuperman> dmsuperman@blitzkrieg:~$ php-date 'Y.m' '-2 months'
Dec 01 04:05:10 <dmsuperman> 2008.09
Dec 01 04:05:36 <johnx> seems fine
Dec 01 04:05:39 <johnx> it's your script after all
Dec 01 04:06:20 <johnx> I tend to stick with things available on all Unix systems (or at least GNU systems) when I script, but if you know you'll have php you might as well use it
Dec 01 04:06:27 <dmsuperman> Right
Dec 01 04:06:35 <dmsuperman> I would generally agree
Dec 01 04:06:42 <dmsuperman> But this is a very specific script anyway
Dec 01 04:06:47 <dmsuperman> Just to help me manage my stuff :P
Dec 01 04:06:50 <johnx> exactly :)
Dec 01 04:07:12 <johnx> and I just wanted to make sure my sh wasn't getting rusty
Dec 01 04:07:16 <dmsuperman> Heh
Dec 01 04:07:33 <johnx> and to make sure I was right about cut
Dec 01 08:32:05 <aquatix> morning all
Dec 01 08:32:33 <StsN800> morn
Dec 01 08:33:59 <johnx> mornin'
Dec 01 08:41:13 * StsN800 ponders setting up a betting pool on when alpha sdk comes out
Dec 01 08:42:29 <johnx> if so, be sure to add that to the offical Mer roadmap
Dec 01 08:42:55 <johnx> ex: "Step 2: Funding will be accumulated through a betting pool" :)
Dec 01 08:43:11 <StsN800> hehe
Dec 01 08:44:59 <StsN800> shouldn't be long though
Dec 01 08:45:32 <StsN800> and im curious what effect it will have on svn
Dec 01 08:45:48 <StsN800> and how much come out
Dec 01 09:26:50 <lardman> morning
Dec 01 09:27:07 <Meiz_n810> hi
Dec 01 09:27:20 <johnx> hallo
Dec 01 09:28:29 <Stskeeps> lo
Dec 01 09:34:47 <timely> hi
Dec 01 09:34:55 <timely> did anyone try my sketch hack package?
Dec 01 09:35:53 <aquatix> timely: did you repackage it?
Dec 01 09:35:59 <timely> no
Dec 01 09:36:01 <aquatix> it depended on perl before, not perl-base
Dec 01 09:36:02 <aquatix> ah
Dec 01 09:36:05 <aquatix> well
Dec 01 09:36:06 <timely> oh
Dec 01 09:36:09 <timely> perl-base?
Dec 01 09:36:12 <timely> yeah, i thought i refixed that
Dec 01 09:36:13 <timely> lemme check
Dec 01 09:36:20 <aquatix> if you want, please let it depend on perl-base :)
Dec 01 09:36:25 <aquatix> maybe you already did
Dec 01 09:36:35 <aquatix> i only tried your very first version i think
Dec 01 09:36:50 <timely> the source claims to depend on perl-base
Dec 01 09:36:53 <timely> can you try it?
Dec 01 09:37:07 <timely> sorry, i never version my packages :)
Dec 01 09:37:15 <aquatix> sure, url?
Dec 01 09:37:16 <aquatix> same?
Dec 01 09:37:39 <timely> yep
Dec 01 09:38:55 <aquatix> hm
Dec 01 09:39:14 <aquatix> the mime type in /usr/bin/osso_sketch.launch did not match the expected results
Dec 01 09:39:35 <aquatix> post-removal script returned error exit status 1
Dec 01 09:39:47 <timely> oh, you're in trouble :)
Dec 01 09:39:54 <aquatix> oh?
Dec 01 09:40:00 <timely> does sketch still run atm?
Dec 01 09:40:20 <aquatix> yes
Dec 01 09:40:24 <timely> you can view application manager log i suppose
Dec 01 09:40:29 <timely> it should explain what it didn't like
Dec 01 09:40:39 <aquatix> this was with dpkg -i
Dec 01 09:40:55 <timely> oh, did it not say what it didn't like?
Dec 01 09:41:15 <aquatix> hm, no
Dec 01 09:41:22 <timely> anyway, you should be able to delete /var/lib/dpkg/info/sketch-png* iirc
Dec 01 09:41:27 <aquatix> only that it did not match the expected results
Dec 01 09:41:30 <timely> but that may or may not help matters
Dec 01 09:41:55 <aquatix> well, it also gave the error with the post-removal script of the new package
Dec 01 09:42:04 <timely> yeah, the script hasn't changed :)
Dec 01 09:42:04 <aquatix> sec
Dec 01 09:42:17 <timely> the code basically asserts that removing it should undo a change
Dec 01 09:42:26 <timely> it doesn't understand what to do if the change isn't present
Dec 01 09:42:34 <timely> that's too complicated for my tiny little mind
Dec 01 09:43:44 <aquatix> meh
Dec 01 09:43:48 <aquatix> can't remove it either
Dec 01 09:44:04 <aquatix> `package is in a very bad inconsistent state, needs reinstall'
Dec 01 09:44:06 <timely> yeah
Dec 01 09:44:12 <timely> do the rm i suggested
Dec 01 09:45:15 <aquatix> sec
Dec 01 09:46:06 <aquatix> huh
Dec 01 09:46:10 <aquatix> now it installs :)
Dec 01 09:46:10 <RST38h> moo, all
Dec 01 09:46:12 <aquatix> weird shit
Dec 01 09:46:15 <aquatix> moo RST38h
Dec 01 09:46:52 <aquatix> hm
Dec 01 09:47:00 <aquatix> timely: i now see png's in the open dialog
Dec 01 09:47:09 <aquatix> but if i try to open one, it says file not found
Dec 01 09:47:18 <timely> yeah
Dec 01 09:47:26 <timely> you need to rename the file to foo.sketch
Dec 01 09:47:29 <timely> then it'll open
Dec 01 09:47:42 <timely> i don't think i can fix that w/o serious hackery
Dec 01 09:47:51 <timely> i haven't quite tried, perhaps it's possible
Dec 01 09:47:57 <timely> the code is very evil/broken
Dec 01 09:48:20 <timely> basically it for some reason decides to append .sketch.png to some "file name"
Dec 01 09:48:37 <timely> (a file name isn't something on the file system, it's its own strange concept)
Dec 01 09:48:59 <timely> i'm trying to do my hacks w/o reading the source. i.e. i could have written the hack you have w/o seeing the source
Dec 01 09:49:10 <timely> the .sketch.png info comes from running sketch from a terminal
Dec 01 09:49:19 <timely> (or using strace)
Dec 01 09:49:19 <aquatix> ah
Dec 01 09:51:56 <timely> anyway, if you want to try grepping for '.sketch.png'
Dec 01 09:52:03 <timely> you could see how often it turns up in the file
Dec 01 09:52:20 <timely> (if you do plan to do binary hacks, i highly recommend you make a copy of the binary first :)
Dec 01 09:52:59 <timely> assuming it only turns up once, you could replace it w/ .png\0sketch
Dec 01 09:54:14 <hellwolf> how to support flac file in youamp
Dec 01 12:05:57 <dneary> Hi all
Dec 01 12:06:05 <dneary> I just made my first arm .deb :)
Dec 01 12:06:11 <dneary> Very proud of myself
Dec 01 12:06:16 <florian> hi dneary
Dec 01 12:07:48 <timely> dneary: what's it do?
Dec 01 12:07:53 * timely only makes evil debs
Dec 01 12:07:55 <timely> hrm
Dec 01 12:08:27 <dneary> It's only maemopad
Dec 01 12:13:57 <murrayc> dneary: It's surprisingly simple when you know the incancations, isn't it.
Dec 01 12:14:32 <timely> murrayc: dpkg-deb -b foopy
Dec 01 12:14:39 <timely> simple, but useless
Dec 01 12:14:59 <timely> the rest of the incantations are cp -r foopy barpy
Dec 01 12:15:16 <timely> perl -pi -e 's/foopy/barpy/g' barpy/DEBIAN/*
Dec 01 12:15:33 * timely doesn't think the incantations have any value
Dec 01 12:15:43 <murrayc> I think I use other incantations.
Dec 01 12:15:48 <timely> i'm sure you do
Dec 01 12:15:56 * lardman wonders if dneary is looking for a new job... ;)
Dec 01 12:15:58 <murrayc> And a chicken.
Dec 01 12:16:04 <timely> very few people (and fewer still in their right mind) would use dpkg-deb
Dec 01 12:16:46 <dneary> murrayc: Or when you're following the tutorial
Dec 01 12:16:56 <dneary> "a maze of dpkg commands, all the same"
Dec 01 12:17:18 <dneary> Plus, following the tutorial, there was a step missing (or maybe not?)
Dec 01 12:17:26 <dneary> I did an apt-get source maemopad
Dec 01 12:17:49 <murrayc> There are various tutorials of varying quality, each recommending various ways. I've been lucky to have some helpful experts to lead me.
Dec 01 12:17:49 <timely> dneary: missing steps from a maemo.org item?
Dec 01 12:17:52 <timely> impossible!
Dec 01 12:18:25 <dneary> followed by a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b
Dec 01 12:18:38 <murrayc> That's the moment of truth.
Dec 01 12:18:48 <dneary> Which failed for lack of an intltool-update.in (which is generated by intltoolize)
Dec 01 12:19:18 <dneary> So I ran autogen.sh which went through fine, and reran the buildpkg, all was well
Dec 01 12:19:35 <dneary> but I was lucky I knew how :)
Dec 01 12:19:37 <murrayc> autogen.sh really shouldn't be necessary.
Dec 01 12:20:17 <murrayc> The package might have a dist or clean problem.
Dec 01 12:31:19 <dneary> I'm still working things out in my head - and the training plan will end up being roughly the contents of the Wiley book proposal, if that ever comes to pass
Dec 01 12:35:04 <timely> wiley?
Dec 01 12:47:46 <rjelari> where can i get the sample source code for task navigator plug-in ?
Dec 01 12:48:06 <timely> isn't there a Gnu thinger?
Dec 01 12:49:02 <johnx> rjelari, the code for the main menu should be open and so is personal menu
Dec 01 12:49:23 <johnx> or are you referring to the "open program" list?
Dec 01 12:49:53 <timely> johnx; the main menu is open source?
Dec 01 12:50:11 <johnx> well, it's in debian's hildon-desktop...
Dec 01 12:50:19 <johnx> let me verify, have a copy right here :)
Dec 01 12:50:50 <timely> http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hello-world-app-2.1/
Dec 01 12:51:28 <timely> http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hello-world-app-2.1/hello-world-tn.h
Dec 01 12:51:33 <rjelari> johnx,  I admit myself i am new to maemo!.    i just want to execute a sample program for  navigator plug-in  !
Dec 01 12:51:46 <timely> rjelari: that should be what you want
Dec 01 12:51:57 <timely> it seems to ship as part of some diablo thing
Dec 01 12:52:00 <timely> probably the sdk
Dec 01 12:52:14 <rjelari> timely, let me check with that  :).
Dec 01 12:52:26 <timely> if you look at /source/ it should have a *sources*list file
Dec 01 12:52:38 <timely> which you could use to get the same packages
Dec 01 12:53:34 * timely frowns
Dec 01 12:54:14 * timely looks to see who actually includes that file ..
Dec 01 12:54:33 * timely tries not to choke
Dec 01 12:55:09 <rjelari> timely,  is .tar.gz  available for that?
Dec 01 12:55:23 <rjelari> i mean which has all hello world source code.
Dec 01 12:55:31 <timely> it came from a package
Dec 01 12:55:43 <timely> copy the sources.list file and do apt-get source
Dec 01 12:55:47 <timely> for hello-world
Dec 01 12:56:21 <johnx> or: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/h/hello-world-app/
Dec 01 12:56:34 <johnx> keywords: hellow world dsc site:maemo.org
Dec 01 12:56:40 <timely> ify ou browse to the root, the file is http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/diablo.sources.list
Dec 01 12:56:44 <johnx> s/hello/hellow of course
Dec 01 12:56:58 <timely> johnx: cheater
Dec 01 12:57:11 <timely> :)
Dec 01 12:57:12 <johnx> just sharing the love
Dec 01 12:57:21 <timely> johnx: anyway, mxr should be your friend :)
Dec 01 12:57:46 <rjelari> timely, thank you very much. I got .tar.gz file! ;)
Dec 01 12:57:48 <johnx> yeah, I should actually start abusing it more given the re-packaging efforts of mer :)
Dec 01 12:58:04 * timely needs to try to pull in whichever garage projects have updated in the past 6months
Dec 01 12:58:16 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:]
Dec 01 12:58:46 <camel_liu> hi, all
Dec 01 12:58:55 * timely tries to remember how to update garage
Dec 01 12:59:02 <johnx> hi camel_liu
Dec 01 12:59:46 <camel_liu> hi, johnx
Dec 01 13:00:09 <camel_liu> I wrote a SDL app, but I met something wrong
Dec 01 13:00:53 <camel_liu> When I minimize the SDL app, Task Navigator shows it as unknown
Dec 01 13:01:31 <Stskeeps> johnx: is application menu in h-d a plugin?
Dec 01 13:02:02 <camel_liu> do you know why TN cannot display the app's title? johnx
Dec 01 13:03:26 <camel_liu> gtk app is shown normal, but SDL app's title cannot be shown
Dec 01 13:05:54 <johnx> Stskeeps, ah, maybe it isn't?
Dec 01 13:05:58 <johnx> I didn't really consider that
Dec 01 13:06:18 <johnx> well, in that case personal menu is a good example
Dec 01 13:33:46 * RST38h moos evilly
Dec 01 13:34:42 <johnx> m00f
Dec 01 13:37:34 * aquatix maws a bit
Dec 01 13:39:45 <johnx> so when I bzr push really minor changes to launchpad and it takes multiple minutes, is that a bzr thing or a launchpad thing?
Dec 01 13:44:18 <camel_liu> Does anyone know why Application Switcher shows SDL app as ''unknown" or "unnamed"?
Dec 01 13:55:13 <oli> anyone got n800 camera flipping problem too?
Dec 01 13:56:02 <johnx> lots of people. I haven't used it recently enough to even remember if I have it
Dec 01 13:59:53 <johnx> Stskeeps, you're right. launchpad does not make me feel warm and fuzzy
Dec 01 14:13:28 <GAN800> Quim's CCing me on bugs now. <_<
Dec 01 14:13:52 <GAN800> I don't CC since I track all changes anyway. :/
Dec 01 14:15:19 <X-Fade> GAN800: Heh ;)
Dec 01 14:15:35 <X-Fade> Well, at least I seem to have fixed the wiki login problem today :D
Dec 01 14:16:32 <GAN800> Yeah, I see that
Dec 01 14:16:56 <GAN800> We may finally have a 100% functional wiki! :D
Dec 01 14:34:31 <`Mace> hi
Dec 01 14:34:56 <johnx> hi `Mace
Dec 01 14:35:00 <`Mace> sup johnx
Dec 01 14:35:07 <johnx> not too much
Dec 01 14:35:13 <`Mace> snow sucks
Dec 01 14:35:15 <`Mace> :)
Dec 01 14:35:25 <johnx> ah, for driving or shoveling reasons?
Dec 01 14:35:25 <`Mace> i think i drove 15mph all the way home
Dec 01 14:35:28 <`Mace> driving
Dec 01 14:35:41 <johnx> I like it once or twice a year
Dec 01 14:36:04 <johnx> it helps me bond with my otherwise slow and un-interesting vehicle :)
Dec 01 14:36:22 <`Mace> haha
Dec 01 14:36:39 <lardman> rather than you bonding your vehicle with others parked along the side of the road I take it?! ;)
Dec 01 14:36:41 <`Mace> i gave sts the info for the box i made for mer
Dec 01 14:36:45 <`Mace> he's on his own with it now ;)
Dec 01 14:37:00 <johnx> sounds good
Dec 01 14:37:17 <`Mace> although i'll need to set up apache on my webserver to redirect vhosts to the box
Dec 01 14:37:32 <`Mace> shouldn't be that big of a deal to do tho
Dec 01 14:37:50 <johnx> I'm brainstorming ideas for it, but right now we'll be in somewhat of a holding pattern until the fremantle sdk comes out
Dec 01 14:38:32 <johnx> I suppose I should try and setup a qemu image I can upload to it that we could remote control
Dec 01 14:39:35 <johnx> do you mind if we use it for CPU intensive things? or were you thinking more lightweight web-hosting?
Dec 01 14:40:28 <`Mace> naw.. that's fine
Dec 01 14:40:49 <`Mace> it SHOULDN'T max out the box.. i gave you guys 4000MHz in esx for it
Dec 01 14:41:03 <`Mace> i just need enough on that box for my zimbra VM to run.. and it really doesn't need THAT much
Dec 01 14:41:09 <johnx> lardman, so far this car has not attempted to mate with any moving or stationary objects. :) I do enjoy laughing at cars and drivers not equipped to travel when it snows :D
Dec 01 14:41:49 <`Mace> maybe later i'll give you guys a dedicated box for it if it works out well
Dec 01 14:42:10 <`Mace> too bad i can't get more bandwidth from comcast :) i tried when i ordered the business line but i guess 2mbit was the best they can do
Dec 01 14:42:12 <johnx> Stskeeps, is there a queue on the builder right now?
Dec 01 14:42:22 <`Mace> i guess anything past that and you need something a little more .... commercial
Dec 01 14:43:53 <`Mace> well.. knock yourselves out with it. let me know if you have any problems with it
Dec 01 14:44:39 <`Mace> if you guys want a xxx@rancorous.net zimbra acct let me know too.. i still have a lot of modding to do to it but it at least runs pretty well. the rest is cosmetic
Dec 01 14:45:07 <`Mace> good luck with your project ;) ttyl
Dec 01 14:45:12 <johnx> thanks again
Dec 01 14:45:26 <`Mace> np.. just make sure it doesn't suck ;)
Dec 01 14:45:27 <`Mace> haha
Dec 01 14:45:28 * johnx rubs his hands together at the thought of more clock cycles to use
Dec 01 14:46:08 <`Mace> i'll do whatever i can do to help you guys out
Dec 01 14:46:12 <`Mace> ok... ttyl
Dec 01 14:50:16 <lardman> ~lart firefox for not allowing me to type '
Dec 01 14:50:16 * infobot tries to shut firefox up for not allowing me to type '
Dec 01 14:52:25 <johnx> it won't let you type an apostrophe?
Dec 01 15:13:56 <fiferboy> mikkov_: I see serialization in extras-devel!
Dec 01 15:14:11 <fiferboy> Thank you so much for getting that to work, it is an immense help!
Dec 01 15:14:34 <fiferboy> And for i386, too!  Very, very nice.
Dec 01 15:22:59 <l7> hey, links is an incredibly fast browser for maemo
Dec 01 15:26:19 <l7> links2 seems to render better though
Dec 01 15:27:08 <Stskeeps> johnx: no queue
Dec 01 15:27:20 <johnx> sounds good, I'll work on changing that soon
Dec 01 15:27:26 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 01 15:27:54 <johnx> I'm investigating what's needed to get maemo-launcher and hildon-desktop started without started as part of a session instead of from init
Dec 01 15:31:03 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 01 15:35:18 <GAN800> I think I'm gonna liberate my sister's N800 to use for testing.
Dec 01 15:35:46 <johnx> heh
Dec 01 15:36:07 <johnx> I have liberated practically every device here capable of running linux to any extent
Dec 01 15:37:27 * Stskeeps tries to think of any device he hasn't had linux going on
Dec 01 15:37:43 <GAN800> It was in the principal's office for a while, and she got a new Sony phone.
Dec 01 15:38:16 <johnx> as in she played on it in class, got it taken and got a shiny new phone for her trouble?
Dec 01 15:38:28 <GAN800> Hehe
Dec 01 15:38:44 <GAN800> Well, she bought the phone with her own money.
Dec 01 15:38:58 <GAN800> and they were kinda making an example.
Dec 01 15:39:08 <johnx> well, that's much more admirable then
Dec 01 15:39:36 <Stskeeps> if i was in primary school, they would definately take my n800.
Dec 01 15:39:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 01 15:39:38 <johnx> just one step down from the guy with gameboy color guts hacked into a ti-84
Dec 01 15:40:10 <johnx> I cut my teeth on programming on a Ti-83+ in math/science classes
Dec 01 15:41:07 <GAN800> The TI graphing calculators are fun
Dec 01 15:41:11 <Stskeeps> johnx: think i'll untaint hildon thumbnail, new tag came out so
Dec 01 15:41:21 <GAN800> <3 my TI-89ti
Dec 01 15:41:34 <johnx> Stskeeps, seems good
Dec 01 15:41:38 <Veggen> johnx: I think actually my programming interest was started by programmable HP-calculators. HP 10C and later 15C.
Dec 01 15:41:47 <johnx> is there a reason we shouldn't use ubuntu's hildon-icons package?
Dec 01 15:42:21 <Stskeeps> mm, are they really hildon icons? i took debian's last time
Dec 01 15:42:31 <GAN800> There are fun things afoot these days. . . .
Dec 01 15:42:38 <johnx> well, it's debian's package :)
Dec 01 15:43:08 <johnx> hildon-icons_2.1.debian-2
Dec 01 15:43:30 <Stskeeps> well, only worry is that ubuntu one is UM-tained, but yeah
Dec 01 15:43:53 <Stskeeps> i guess ubuntu's should be fine
Dec 01 15:44:44 <johnx> hmm, it depends gnome-icon-theme
Dec 01 15:45:02 <johnx> but, yes, it is the pkg-maemo version
Dec 01 15:45:32 <Stskeeps> that's fine
Dec 01 15:45:35 <Stskeeps> gnome-icon-theme is needed anyway
Dec 01 15:45:41 <Stskeeps> (it's hicolor)
Dec 01 15:45:56 <johnx> well, that was painless then :)
Dec 01 15:46:07 <johnx> now, to make maemo-launcher launch things...
Dec 01 15:46:27 <Stskeeps> did you progress any with sapwood?
Dec 01 15:46:37 <johnx> on zaurus? nah
Dec 01 15:46:39 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 01 15:46:43 <johnx> I'm putting it on hold though
Dec 01 15:46:52 <Stskeeps> we'll figure it out eventually
Dec 01 15:47:05 <johnx> it's sucked up too much time for a platform that might not ever be able to support fremantle level apps
Dec 01 15:48:09 <johnx> I never did manage to get a noopt build of maemo gtk+ done though
Dec 01 15:48:11 <Stskeeps> hehe, the interesting part is if we will be able to make a mmc version for 770 ;)
Dec 01 15:48:30 <Stskeeps> in-flash we might as well give up on straight away
Dec 01 15:48:56 <johnx> maybe provide a rescue system in flash?
Dec 01 15:48:59 <Stskeeps> possibly
Dec 01 15:49:07 <Stskeeps> 128mb rescue menu, yay
Dec 01 15:49:07 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 01 15:49:17 <johnx> it's proved wonderfully useful on my zaurus
Dec 01 15:49:32 <johnx> but then again it has a keyboard :P
Dec 01 15:49:36 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 01 15:49:59 <lopz> hola
Dec 01 15:50:03 <GAN800> lol
Dec 01 15:50:20 <GAN800> 'rescue menu' can be OS2006. :P
Dec 01 15:50:36 <johnx> hi lopz
Dec 01 15:50:52 <lopz> heya johnx !!
Dec 01 16:01:02 <mikkov_> fiferboy: serialization package for i386 is actually empty
Dec 01 16:03:17 <fiferboy> Ah
Dec 01 16:03:18 <fiferboy> Tricky
Dec 01 16:18:00 <GAN800> Weird, I'm pretty sure my Thanks count just dropped by 16. . . .
Dec 01 16:18:15 <johnx> I thought mine went down too, but I wasn't sure
Dec 01 16:18:32 <Stskeeps> GAN800: you get subtracted for the thanks on the post that badmouthed you
Dec 01 16:18:32 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 01 16:18:49 <qwerty12> The force is strong in the people who want fremantle on N8x0
Dec 01 16:18:53 <Stskeeps> # Total Thanks: 96
Dec 01 16:18:54 <Stskeeps> # Thanked 162 Times in 78 Posts
Dec 01 16:18:56 <Stskeeps> eh.
Dec 01 16:18:59 <Stskeeps> oh, nm
Dec 01 16:18:59 <GAN800> Stskeeps, hehe
Dec 01 16:19:24 * qwerty12 couldn't personally give a shit about the bugs or fremantle
Dec 01 16:19:44 * Stskeeps wonders why the heck most people don't just recompile the debs in svn..
Dec 01 16:19:52 <johnx> qwerty12, happy enough just to hack on whatever's out there?
Dec 01 16:19:54 <GAN800> qwerty12 is gonna run Android on an N-gage
Dec 01 16:19:59 <Stskeeps> they do actually publish the fixes
Dec 01 16:20:05 <qwerty12> johnx, yep :)
Dec 01 16:20:17 <qwerty12> GAN800, Well, seeing as I smashed the screen on mine... :P
Dec 01 16:20:33 <GAN800> headless
Dec 01 16:20:37 <qwerty12> hehe
Dec 01 16:21:02 <qwerty12> If fremantle is available for N800, great. If not, I'm not going to go into cardiac arrest.
Dec 01 16:22:10 <johnx> well that sounds strangely reasonable
Dec 01 16:23:01 <johnx> heh, actually if you said that it would probably make a lot of people feel better given how many packages you release :)
Dec 01 16:24:24 <johnx> actually, if nokia does say "no official fremantle for n8x0" it will free up people to stop worrying about their osso-software-version...
Dec 01 16:25:05 <johnx> Stskeeps, so, for the tained branches, they're safe to export, right?
Dec 01 16:25:12 <qwerty12> hehe, I just edit the dependencies of osso-software-version when I need to remove something :P
Dec 01 16:25:47 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah, export, but you loose revision log and ability to merge new things
Dec 01 16:25:54 <Stskeeps> it's better to just re-merge them
Dec 01 16:26:05 <Stskeeps> as in, re-branch then
Dec 01 16:26:13 <Stskeeps> and apply the diff
Dec 01 16:26:28 <Stskeeps> me finding out late about branching schemes kinda fucked up things :)
Dec 01 16:26:31 <johnx> so branch from maemo tags, apply diff, commit, push?
Dec 01 16:26:45 <johnx> I have no idea what those even mean :)
Dec 01 16:28:00 <Stskeeps> johnx: .. or asking me to clean it up :P
Dec 01 16:28:16 <Stskeeps> and yes, that'd be the order
Dec 01 16:28:37 <johnx> alright
Dec 01 16:29:04 <Stskeeps> which one do you have in mind?
Dec 01 16:29:35 <johnx> I might as well try my noopt build of gtk again since my ARM machines are sitting idle, and if it works out, I'll push it
Dec 01 16:30:04 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 01 16:30:17 * Stskeeps is setting up an armel builder on macer's machine
Dec 01 16:30:24 <johnx> ah :)
Dec 01 16:30:29 <johnx> sounds great
Dec 01 16:30:51 <johnx> I figured that would be most logical use for 4000MHz :)
Dec 01 16:32:05 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 01 16:33:25 <Stskeeps> getting sb2 going sanely wouldn't be bad either
Dec 01 16:34:32 <johnx> do you think it's possible?
Dec 01 16:35:22 <suihkulokki> it should be possible
Dec 01 16:36:00 <suihkulokki> as long as you don't try to use for things it's not meant for (system emulation, native compilation, ..)
Dec 01 16:36:20 <Stskeeps> apt-get considered system emulation? :P
Dec 01 16:36:34 * Stskeeps is trying to get his head around some of the errors postinsts come up with, so
Dec 01 16:36:41 <johnx> does building arbitrary debian packages seem reasonable at this point?
Dec 01 16:36:51 <Stskeeps> (yes, i've /bin/true'd invoke-rc.d and start-stop-daemon)
Dec 01 16:37:12 <Stskeeps> johnx: problems i usually run into is apt-get build-dep related
Dec 01 16:37:28 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: are you using apt-get with sb2 -e ?
Dec 01 16:37:33 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 01 16:38:11 <suihkulokki> hmm
Dec 01 16:38:20 <Stskeeps> lemme drag out my sb2 rootstrap, sec
Dec 01 16:38:46 <Stskeeps> this is btw with a ubuntu jaunty armel underneath as rootstrap
Dec 01 16:39:02 <Stskeeps> but had similar issue with hasty
Dec 01 16:39:42 <suihkulokki> it should certainly be possible - or made possible :)
Dec 01 16:40:18 <Stskeeps> yeah, which is why i'm looking for people with more sb2 knowledge than me :P
Dec 01 16:41:42 <z4chh> hi
Dec 01 16:42:00 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: do you have a writeup how you created the rootstrap?
Dec 01 16:44:03 <Stskeeps> rootstrap's a buildd debootstrap variant of jaunty armel,  PATH=$HOME/mr-sdk/sb2/bin:$PATH $HOME/mr-sdk/sb2/bin/sb2-init -c $HOME/mr-sdk/sb2/bin/qemu-arm -d -A armel m-r-sdk $HOME/mr-sdk/toolchain/arm-2008q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc
Dec 01 16:44:31 <Stskeeps> i'm running as a user though, not root, should this be a problem?
Dec 01 16:44:39 <Stskeeps> (i do sb2 -R -e apt-get )
Dec 01 16:44:52 <Stskeeps> rootstrap is unpacked as user too
Dec 01 16:48:29 <suihkulokki> running at user could cause problems, but for heavens name never try to use sb2 as root :=)
Dec 01 16:49:31 <Stskeeps> heh
Dec 01 16:49:39 <Stskeeps> .. so i run it as the middle path, a vista user? :P
Dec 01 16:50:20 <johnx> I think bzr is choking on the + in gtk+ O_o
Dec 01 16:50:39 <Stskeeps> bzr-svn or?
Dec 01 16:50:42 <johnx> yeah
Dec 01 16:50:58 <Stskeeps> remembered the branching schemes thing?
Dec 01 16:51:11 <johnx> forgot it of course
Dec 01 16:51:34 <Stskeeps> always good to do before you screw up 16 branches like i did
Dec 01 16:51:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 01 16:52:05 <johnx> er, actually forgot to install bzr-svn
Dec 01 16:52:15 <johnx> I think this means I'm close to done for tonight :)
Dec 01 16:52:30 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 01 17:04:51 * Stskeeps ponders idly how much it would cost producer-wise to produce a tablet with omap3
Dec 01 17:05:40 <johnx> for Nokia? or for someone doing it on a small production run?
Dec 01 17:06:08 <Stskeeps> i guess small production run
Dec 01 17:06:20 <Stskeeps> just pondering the economics of tablets
Dec 01 17:06:48 <johnx> well, the pandora goes for ~$330 and they're not making terribly much money on it
Dec 01 17:07:10 <johnx> I guess the size of the production run makes all the difference though
Dec 01 17:07:13 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 01 17:07:21 <johnx> and how much of the R&D is actually shared with other products
Dec 01 17:09:33 <Stskeeps> and i guess we're speaking pure hw
Dec 01 17:13:06 * Stskeeps notes to himself he needs to move mer repo to somewhere sane
Dec 01 17:13:51 <Stskeeps> bw management box seems to have taken a dislike to it
Dec 01 17:14:38 <johnx> launchpad ppa maybe?
Dec 01 17:14:59 <johnx> though as I expressed earlier launchpad does not fill me with a warm and fuzzy feeling
Dec 01 17:16:05 <Stskeeps> ppa has own builders so it's complicated
Dec 01 17:16:23 <johnx> ah, but, they're building for ARM now right?
Dec 01 17:16:35 <Stskeeps> yeah, but the builders need to include our packages too, so :P
Dec 01 17:16:41 <Stskeeps> gtk dependancy, for instance
Dec 01 17:16:47 <johnx> ah
Dec 01 17:17:01 <johnx> If you say it's complicated I'll take you at your word that I don't even want to know :)
Dec 01 17:17:24 <Stskeeps> well, at my immediate thought it's not trivial, but i havent looked close enough at the ppas
Dec 01 17:18:36 <johnx> I'm sure we could beg a little donated web space
Dec 01 17:19:07 <Stskeeps> i should pull some old contacts
Dec 01 17:19:11 <Stskeeps> being an ircd coder does have benefits
Dec 01 17:19:33 <johnx> posting screenshots here did wonders for me with the "debian beta3" thing
Dec 01 17:19:47 <johnx> but hosting a one-off image file is a little different than a repository I guess
Dec 01 17:21:21 <Stskeeps> yeah.. or i can reduce number of deblet repos and use one of them for mirror for mer
Dec 01 17:27:27 <johnx> so, hildon-desktop, even the one you built depending on maemo-launcher is an executable while it's a shared object on OS2008
Dec 01 17:28:32 <johnx> I think that means it can't possibly work with maemo-launcher, but I'm not sure why it gets built that way if you haven't changed the package much
Dec 01 17:28:53 <Stskeeps> that's awkward
Dec 01 17:29:03 <Stskeeps> maybe they changed it for fremantle?
Dec 01 17:29:14 <qwerty12> If built with maemo-launcher, you should have a <name of program>.launch. You get shared object because stuff built using maemo launcher has "-shared -fPIC"  CFLAGS.
Dec 01 17:29:42 <johnx> the -fPIC is unrelated to maemo-launcher I think
Dec 01 17:29:44 <Stskeeps> johnx: maybe it has both .launch and non-launch?
Dec 01 17:29:51 <Stskeeps> fPIC is needed for shared objects :P
Dec 01 17:30:27 <johnx> ok, I'll make sure it's using that
Dec 01 17:30:50 <qwerty12> johnx, if your program is using pkg-config, use pkg-config --cflags maemo-launcher-app
Dec 01 17:31:04 <johnx> but the .launch version appears because of something like this "if maemo-launcher ; the mv hildon-desktop hildon-desktop.launch"
Dec 01 17:31:14 <johnx> I am already :/
Dec 01 17:31:18 <johnx> that's the weird part
Dec 01 17:31:23 <johnx> this is nokia's package
Dec 01 17:31:32 <johnx> I'll do a vanilla checkout and build just for fun
Dec 01 17:31:50 <qwerty12> If it really is using maemo launcher, "maemo-invoker <name of program>.launch" should work
Dec 01 17:32:17 <johnx> right, but for that to work it has to be a shared object and somehow my debian/rules looks like it should do the right thing, but isn't obviously
Dec 01 17:32:25 <johnx> since it makes an executable instead of so
Dec 01 17:32:40 <qwerty12> johnx, mind pastebinning the rules?
Dec 01 17:33:02 <johnx> one sec, I'm going to try a vanilla checkout from tags
Dec 01 17:33:06 <qwerty12> k
Dec 01 17:41:34 <ShadowJK> is building it as shared .so some trick to increase amount of shared memory pages?
Dec 01 17:42:07 <lardman> yes
Dec 01 17:42:14 <lardman> and to ensure that most stuff is preloaded too
Dec 01 17:42:20 <lardman> I think
Dec 01 17:43:29 <suihkulokki> and IIRC to reduce the time used parsing themes/gtkrc/icon themes/etc
Dec 01 17:44:05 <qwerty12> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/maemo-launcher/README explains it well
Dec 01 17:44:18 <Proteous> no one wants to RTFM
Dec 01 17:44:30 <qwerty12> ORLY
Dec 01 17:44:35 <Proteous> YARLY
Dec 01 17:44:42 <qwerty12> Damn
Dec 01 17:44:47 <Proteous> heh
Dec 01 17:45:29 <lardman> am off to a meeting, cu all later/tomorrow
Dec 01 17:45:59 <Proteous> lardman the whole meeting
Dec 01 17:47:28 <johnx> ok, sanity check: Nokia's debian/rules fails to build it as a shared object as well
Dec 01 17:47:54 <johnx> so qwerty12, if you're interested: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-desktop/2.0.19-1/debian/rules
Dec 01 17:48:04 <johnx> better than pastebin
Dec 01 17:48:06 <qwerty12> hehe
Dec 01 17:49:11 <qwerty12> Hrm, I've got builds of the version that is shipped with diablo, let me check if that is the same version and if so, is it an shared object
Dec 01 17:49:49 <qwerty12> Nope, 2.0.18 comes with diablo. Let me build 2.0.19 in sbox for shits and giggles
Dec 01 17:50:34 <johnx> I wonder if some magic intersection between CFLAGS containing -fPIC if $DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=thumb lets this work for Nokia for ARM, but not for me on x86
Dec 01 17:51:14 <johnx> but pkg-config --libs maemo-launcher-app *is* returning -shared -fPIC -export-dynamic
Dec 01 17:51:24 <johnx> so that means I have no more ideas for tonight
Dec 01 17:51:28 <Stskeeps> binaries can be shared objects too though
Dec 01 17:51:33 <Stskeeps> what does 'file' say?
Dec 01 17:51:43 <johnx> executable
Dec 01 17:51:44 <Stskeeps> er, .. ok, -shared is there too
Dec 01 17:51:52 <johnx> on diablo it says shared object
Dec 01 17:51:55 <Stskeeps> hm :P
Dec 01 17:52:00 <johnx> file is what I tested with first :)
Dec 01 17:52:09 <Stskeeps> maybe they did it with a prelinker or something like that on diablo?
Dec 01 17:52:48 <johnx> and just failed to notice that their released version isn't actually workable?
Dec 01 17:53:14 <johnx> they did have -Werror in their turned on preventing it from even compiling. I guess it works for them on whatever compiler they use though
Dec 01 17:53:18 <johnx> anyways, really off to sleep
Dec 01 17:53:20 <Stskeeps> nini
Dec 01 17:53:31 <Stskeeps> we're on gcc3, they're on 4 :P
Dec 01 17:53:40 <Stskeeps> er
Dec 01 17:53:41 <Stskeeps> reverse.
Dec 01 17:53:58 <johnx> maybe you should get some sleep too :P :D
Dec 01 17:54:47 <Stskeeps> it's 7pm, i'll get there
Dec 01 17:54:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 01 18:05:58 <qwerty12> johnx, built 2.0.19-1 and "file ~/my_projects/hd/2.0.19-1/debian/build/usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch : /home/faheem/my_projects/hd/2.0.19-1/debian/build/usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped"
Dec 01 18:06:38 <johnx> qwerty12, would you mind trying an x86 build?
Dec 01 18:06:46 <qwerty12> johnx, sure
Dec 01 18:07:09 <qwerty12> (2nd time I've used the X86 target :P)
Dec 01 18:07:32 <johnx> sorry to mess up your statistics :P
Dec 01 18:07:39 <qwerty12> :P
Dec 01 18:08:02 * qwerty12 searches for a nodocs rule
Dec 01 18:09:02 <qwerty12> bollocks, I'm still using that newer cp I compiled for arm. a few seconds while I revert it
Dec 01 18:13:12 <qwerty12> johnx, "/home/faheem/my_projects/hd/2.0.19-1/debian/build/usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped"
Dec 01 18:13:53 <johnx> well, that's quite interesting then
Dec 01 18:14:18 <johnx> thanks for confirming that. let's me narrow down where to look
Dec 01 18:14:32 <johnx> anyways, really off to sleep now :) thanks again :D
Dec 01 18:14:40 <qwerty12> heh, night johnx
Dec 01 18:17:46 <cars__> This sounds silly, but my n810 sometimes hangs for a long period of time (the UI is unresponsive except for the power button menu) - is there any way to access a virtual console to kill the offending processes, or add such functionality to the power button menu? :)
Dec 01 18:18:48 <Stskeeps> powerlaunch might help out ther
Dec 01 18:18:49 <Stskeeps> e
Dec 01 18:19:25 <z4chh> cars__, i get that to, i sometimes reboot if it is bad enough
Dec 01 18:19:38 <qwerty12> cars__, you can enable the power button menu to be able to start up an xterm: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15223 but as to getting an actual virtual console,the process is long and you need an xterm to switch anyway (chvt)
Dec 01 18:22:17 <cars__> qwerty12, does the power button menu run at a higher priority than normal apps?  If so, would the launched xterm also run at the higher priority?
Dec 01 18:23:42 <qwerty12> cars__, I think it does (at least mce is running at one afaik) but I don't know if the xterm will be launched at an higher priority. If you are around a computer, ssh may be worth a bet.
Dec 01 18:26:14 <Ro9u3oR> can you test code on the n800
Dec 01 18:26:46 <lcuk> Ro9u3oR, not only can you test things on the n800, but you can run them live as well ;)
Dec 01 18:27:17 <RST38h> Nokia teases major new product launching tomorrow
Dec 01 18:27:21 <RST38h> Any guesses?
Dec 01 18:27:53 <Ro9u3oR> lcuk can i pm you
Dec 01 18:28:29 <lcuk> no
Dec 01 18:29:04 <lcuk> RST38h, dunno, but is ted stevens involved?
Dec 01 18:29:05 <GAN800> RST38h, surely not Maemo-relaated if it's getting an advertising push. ;)
Dec 01 18:29:54 <lcuk> hey GAN800 i heard about my n810 through advertising
Dec 01 18:30:36 <GAN800> The N810 launch was something like 'OK, here it is'
Dec 01 18:31:12 <lcuk> isnt that like eveyrones advertising
Dec 01 18:31:24 <Stskeeps> RST38h: fremantle alpha sdk better be a major new product launching.. :P
Dec 01 18:31:24 <lcuk> apart from recent microsoft adverts (were they for shoes?)
Dec 01 18:32:14 <GAN800> lcuk, Maemo doesn't get advertising
Dec 01 18:32:21 <qwerty12> lcuk, oh those adverts make me laugh. in my school, pc = plastic cock.
Dec 01 18:33:13 <lcuk> your school sounds like its in need of government "special school" funding :P
Dec 01 18:33:27 <qwerty12> lol :P
Dec 01 18:34:55 <qwerty12> Damn, I just killed the conversation. I'm sorry. Yes, Maemo doesn't get advertising.
Dec 01 18:35:32 <Stskeeps> word-by-mouth advertisement seems to work quite well
Dec 01 18:35:36 <RST38h> GAN: Yea
Dec 01 18:35:55 <RST38h> most likely a touch version of N95
Dec 01 18:36:29 <Ro9u3oR> lcuk what program on the N800 is used to write apps
Dec 01 18:37:47 <lcuk> what kind of apps?
Dec 01 18:38:44 <Ro9u3oR> developement app
Dec 01 18:39:08 <GAN800> khertan.net
Dec 01 18:39:22 <lcuk> so you want to write an app which creates apps? but you want to know what to write the app creator app in?
Dec 01 18:40:02 <Ro9u3oR> i just wanted to know the name of the program on the n800 that allows you to write apps
Dec 01 18:40:14 <lcuk> gcc
Dec 01 18:40:29 <Ro9u3oR> gcc?
Dec 01 18:40:43 <lcuk> yes
Dec 01 18:40:44 <RST38h> foot-in-the-mouth advertising...
Dec 01 18:40:53 <lcuk> that is the app which converts your source codei nto object code
Dec 01 18:41:18 <lcuk> source code is written in a language that gcc can understand and it produces a file which a computer can understand
Dec 01 18:42:00 <sp3000> ...producing effects which the developer does not understand, thus completing the circle
Dec 01 18:42:58 <Ro9u3oR> is gcc already on the n800 or do i need to download it from somewhere other
Dec 01 18:49:21 <qwerty12> lcuk, transparent liqbase: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/20081129_0420(1).JPG (awful pic quality :P)
Dec 01 18:50:00 <lcuk> now THATS interesting
Dec 01 18:50:34 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, just arbitrary overall transparent or keyed?
Dec 01 18:51:38 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, no idea :/
Dec 01 18:52:01 <lcuk> you are the one with it
Dec 01 18:52:52 <lcuk> curious how the palette looks like its behind the other icons
Dec 01 18:53:25 <qwerty12_N800> yer but i don't know any artistic vocabulary :p (with handwriting as awful as mine, you tend not to be as interested in drawing)
Dec 01 18:53:47 <lcuk> lol
Dec 01 19:20:08 <t_s_o> heh, i found my workaround for small file dialogs. GPE filemanager and dbus-switchboard ;)
Dec 01 19:34:30 <Mousey> i know i asked this yesterday, but
Dec 01 19:34:45 <Mousey> anyone know where i can get something to rotate my wallpapers every hour?
Dec 01 19:35:02 <Mousey> i'd be happy to script it if there was like xbg or something out there
Dec 01 19:35:08 <Mousey> or feh or something
Dec 01 19:35:09 <GAN800> lol, rotate. . . .
Dec 01 19:35:16 <Mousey> not xrandr
Dec 01 19:35:20 <Mousey> just cycle thru
Dec 01 19:35:23 <GAN800> I though you meant degrees. :/
Dec 01 19:35:31 <Mousey> hence my clarification =P
Dec 01 19:35:37 <GAN800> There's no interface for it.
Dec 01 19:35:46 <Mousey> I CRY TEARS OF SADNESS!
Dec 01 19:35:56 <GAN800> There's a bug if you want to vote for it.
Dec 01 19:36:04 <Mousey> url?
Dec 01 19:36:23 <GAN800> 'programmatically change background' or something.
Dec 01 19:36:28 <Stskeeps> isn't it just hacking up backgrnd-manager?
Dec 01 19:36:55 <GAN800> h-d
Dec 01 19:37:12 <Stskeeps> b-m is part of h-d
Dec 01 19:37:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 01 19:41:27 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, I knew I loved the camera feature of liqbase  :) : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/20081129_0506.JPG
Dec 01 19:42:12 <t_s_o> the focus stinks tho...
Dec 01 19:46:56 <anddamEshva> hello
Dec 01 19:54:12 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 01 19:54:41 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N801: what the devil is "usbflasher" mentioned in initfs?
Dec 01 19:56:07 <qwerty12_N801> Stskeeps, not sure. it does use usb gadgets though..
Dec 01 19:56:23 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 01 19:57:19 <Stskeeps> maybe a linux-mode flasher
Dec 01 19:57:40 * Stskeeps wonders if there's such a thing like flashing for netbooks..
Dec 01 19:59:07 <qwerty12_N801> "Nokia internet tablet (userspace updater), Support only mmc image flashing"
Dec 01 19:59:44 <Stskeeps> uh.
Dec 01 19:59:57 <Stskeeps> that's interesting
Dec 01 20:00:48 <Stskeeps> take image from mmc block device and flash it maybe?
Dec 01 20:01:46 <qwerty12_N801> could be, i know dell's pocket pc's can do that
Dec 01 20:07:13 <Stskeeps> hm, maybe that webcast tomorrow may be interesting anyway
Dec 01 20:07:55 <Stskeeps> "Be the first to find out the latest from Nseries in 2009 »"
Dec 01 20:08:16 <Stskeeps> and tag line of "Desktop. Laptop. Pocket"
Dec 01 20:09:58 <RST38h> hmmm
Dec 01 20:10:12 <RST38h> My guess is, it wil be an N-series unified with 5800 in hw design
Dec 01 20:10:24 <Stskeeps> we'll see
Dec 01 20:10:33 <RST38h> 5800 has a tv out
Dec 01 20:10:38 * Stskeeps is just excited about fremantle sdk :P
Dec 01 20:10:48 <Stskeeps> Desktop. Laptop. Pocket doesn't implicate a phone, though
Dec 01 20:11:07 <RST38h> Nokia is a phone company, whatever they make will look like a phone
Dec 01 20:11:37 <Stskeeps> didn't they make tires too or how was it, back then? :P
Dec 01 20:12:33 <RST38h> NokiaN
Dec 01 20:13:02 <derf> So... an NIT that looks like a tire?
Dec 01 20:13:25 <lcuk> qwerty12_N801, how fast is the refresh on that, is it normal?
Dec 01 20:13:49 <qwerty12_N801> lcuk, for the camera one?
Dec 01 20:13:53 <lcuk> and i agree with t_s_o, its doubly bad focusing - from the nokia and the other one
Dec 01 20:13:55 <lcuk> yeah
Dec 01 20:14:24 <qwerty12_N801> it's actually pretty much normal speed
Dec 01 20:14:26 <lcuk> cos being able to display a lower resolution completely dynamic background like that might come in handy
Dec 01 20:14:30 <Stskeeps> http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/12/01/nokia.tablet.tip.at.ubs/ <- 10 inch in my pocket
Dec 01 20:14:45 <Stskeeps> heh
Dec 01 20:14:57 * RST38h imagines collective hard-on at this channel if the mysterious N-series device does end up to be a tablet
Dec 01 20:15:08 <Stskeeps> i'd go drinking, probably
Dec 01 20:15:20 <lcuk> what if its not linux though
Dec 01 20:15:48 <RST38h> not linux one is already out and known as 5800
Dec 01 20:15:50 <Stskeeps> best campaign of misinformation and wasted work by nokia contractors then and marketing
Dec 01 20:17:12 <lcuk> qwerty12_N801, what are you actually using for that overlay stuff?
Dec 01 20:17:18 <lcuk> and wheres the info on this new thing
Dec 01 20:19:09 <qwerty12_N801> lcuk, a sec
Dec 01 20:22:50 <Stskeeps> heh, RX-11: http://www.nokiaphoneblog.com/?p=115
Dec 01 20:23:41 * Stskeeps ponders if FCC has anything on the RX-51
Dec 01 20:24:11 <woglinde> hi
Dec 01 20:28:49 <Meiz_n810> hi
Dec 01 20:29:59 <Mousey> hi
Dec 01 20:42:04 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, sorry. liqbase won't do it for me anymore :'(. you may have more success over ssh (I was using sleep & osso-xterm). install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/composite/libxcomposite1_0.4.0-3_armel.deb , http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/composite/xcompmgr_1.1.1-0.zuh2_armel.deb , http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/composite/transset-df_6_armel.deb and set processor to performance, run xcompmgr from menu (it's a toggle so running it again wil
Dec 01 20:42:06 <qwerty12_N800> l stop xcompmgr (thanks to movial who i stole the script for the bora version from)) and with liqbase running, do a su - user and run transset-df -a over ssh
Dec 01 20:42:27 <qwerty12_N800> fuck. longer than i was expecting.
Dec 01 20:49:48 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, did you get  that last message by any chance? :-)
Dec 01 20:50:01 <lcuk> nope, i was busy blowing up my system
Dec 01 20:52:17 <qwerty12_N800> damn. install ). install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/composite/libxcomposite1_0.4.0-3_armel.deb , http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/composite/xcompmgr_1.1.1-0.zuh2_armel.deb , http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/composite/transset-df_6_armel.deb. run xcompmgr & then liqbase and minimise  liqbase. open an xterm and run "sleep 10 ; transset-df -a"  and switch back to liqbase and wait ~8 secs
Dec 01 20:53:23 <lcuk> :D you are nothing if not complete, i only asked you what it was :D
Dec 01 20:54:19 <qwerty12_N800> oh, looks like i misinterpreted " what are you using" :D
Dec 01 20:54:48 <lcuk> nm, better to be complete
Dec 01 20:54:57 <lcuk> :D ty for info
Dec 01 20:55:02 <lcuk> im gonna have a play
Dec 01 20:55:07 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Dec 01 20:55:41 <lcuk> firefox is still bein a cow on practically every page. i should never have updated it
Dec 01 20:56:26 <qwerty12_N800> running transset-df -a over ssh (after doing "su - user" ) may be easier if you can ssh in and liqbase is still on the screen
Dec 01 20:56:45 <lcuk> yeah was thinking about that
Dec 01 20:56:52 <Meiz_n810> qwerty12_N800: this is so great, i really like it a lot
Dec 01 20:56:54 <lcuk> ive got mandelbrot set in internal build ;)
Dec 01 20:57:36 <qwerty12_N800> Meiz_n810, yeah, it's good fun :D. seen the pic where i made the camera the background? :)
Dec 01 20:57:51 <Meiz_n810> no
Dec 01 20:58:27 <Meiz_n810> transparent windows are good looking and useful
Dec 01 20:58:50 <qwerty12_N800> Meiz_n810, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/20081129_0506.JPG (camera phone alert)
Dec 01 20:59:05 <Meiz_n810> thanks
Dec 01 20:59:24 <Meiz_n810> transparent = i can see trough irc-window what is happening on messenger etc...
Dec 01 21:00:01 <Meiz_n810> not bad!
Dec 01 21:00:06 <Meiz_n810> that pic
Dec 01 21:04:02 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Dec 01 21:16:35 <ShadowJK> What time is the webcast?
Dec 01 21:18:28 <Stskeeps> 9 CET or something
Dec 01 21:20:07 <ShadowJK> gnyaah, what geeks can get up at that hour
Dec 01 21:20:57 <BULLE> ShadowJK: a true geek will of course just record the webcast, and watch it 20:00 CET while having breakfast with a pizza and coca cola
Dec 01 21:21:40 <ShadowJK> oh, is there an url to it?
Dec 01 21:22:00 <ShadowJK> like, a straight url to the media stream would be awesome, then you could record it effortlessly
Dec 01 21:25:29 * lcuk curses at javascript
Dec 01 21:25:47 <woglinde> he you can write 3d engines with javascript
Dec 01 21:26:13 <lcuk> yeah it can also make internet access slow
Dec 01 21:26:47 <lcuk> this page http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap081129.html  - clicking the picture was taking much longer to show than i expected
Dec 01 21:27:15 <lcuk> as in, itsj ust a picture - firefox 3 takes almost 2 seconds to show it (even from in cache)
Dec 01 21:27:41 * lcuk hates slowdowns \@/
Dec 01 21:27:55 <ds3> wheeeeeee back to chinook and now the tablet is useful again
Dec 01 21:28:05 <lcuk> heh ds3, what was wrong
Dec 01 21:28:09 <woglinde> ds3 hm?
Dec 01 21:28:23 <woglinde> mine is useful with diablo too
Dec 01 21:28:51 <ds3> lcuk: let see... bluetooth keyboard didn't work for me; static address handling is broken n diablo... modest made osso-mail look like perfection....
Dec 01 21:29:20 <ds3> woglinde: we are apparently doing very different things
Dec 01 21:30:04 <ds3> oh and mogg w/media player is more broken then in chinook
Dec 01 21:30:06 <lcuk> ds3, reasonable enough
Dec 01 21:30:41 <ds3> lcuk: I gave it 1 full month of real usage before reflashing back this weekend
Dec 01 21:30:42 * ShadowJK has static IP address working in diablo
Dec 01 21:31:17 <lcuk> actually, yeah i use static as well, never touched email and bt keyboard works (even when in my bag whilst giving a presentation)
Dec 01 21:31:27 <ds3> ShadowJK: the bug I ran into is the netmask handling... say I want to use 10.254.254.254/24 as my static IP... diablo sets that up as 10.254.254.254/8
Dec 01 21:31:38 <ShadowJK> hm
Dec 01 21:31:49 * lcuk has 10.0.0.x
Dec 01 21:32:01 * lcuk is only upto 5 :$
Dec 01 21:32:03 <ShadowJK> I have 192.168.42.0/24
Dec 01 21:32:03 <ds3> lcuk: apparently the bt keyboard works for some people only; there is a bugzilla entry for that bug
Dec 01 21:32:23 <ds3> ShadowJK: you won'tsee that problem as the default, "natural" mask for 192.168.x.x is a /24
Dec 01 21:32:54 <ShadowJK> I have a vague memory of some things suggesting /16
Dec 01 21:33:20 <ds3> 172.16.x.x should default to /16
Dec 01 21:33:41 <ds3> anyways...claws works so much better then modest or osso-mail
Dec 01 21:34:06 <lcuk> can you install claws on diablo
Dec 01 21:34:24 <lcuk> not that it matters of course
Dec 01 21:34:36 <ds3> think so
Dec 01 21:34:38 * lcuk would ignore most email programs 
Dec 01 21:35:01 <lcuk> unless of course i could unleash the power of outlook express!
Dec 01 21:35:13 <ds3> I use the tablet as a 95% laptop replacement so working email and being able to see stuff on the screen (OSK takes up too much room) is important
Dec 01 21:35:34 <lcuk> i want my tablets to become information access points
Dec 01 21:36:19 * lcuk keeps picking up the wrong damned tablet
Dec 01 21:36:41 <ds3> and even if you do use an odd netmask, you won't see the problem unless you have another local network; they will fail to talk
Dec 01 21:37:12 <lcuk> anyway, gotta reboot bbl
Dec 01 21:37:18 <ds3> wireless on 10.x.y.z/24 and wired on 10.a.b.c/24 will have problems if then netmask isn't right
Dec 01 21:37:38 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk = typical windows user :p
Dec 01 21:54:08 <derf> ds3: Does claws support large folders?
Dec 01 21:54:44 <ds3> AFAIK, yes
Dec 01 21:55:00 <ds3> it is an MH front end
Dec 01 21:58:38 <derf> I don't have any experience with MH.
Dec 01 21:59:39 <derf> Its FAQ suggests that it barely supports IMAP at all.
Dec 01 21:59:59 <RST38h> Vietnamese hackers do it with iPhone: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/12/vietnamunlock.JPG
Dec 01 22:00:36 <derf> (of course, that entry was last updated in 1999)
Dec 01 22:02:01 <GAN800> Claws' issue is that it's absolutely attrocious to use with a finger.
Dec 01 22:02:14 <timeless> GAN800: see query:GeneralAntilles
Dec 01 22:02:27 <derf> Well, right now the only client I can actually use is webmail.
Dec 01 22:02:36 <ds3> I donno about imap, I just use pop
Dec 01 22:02:40 <derf> So, you know, that's not tough to beat in terms of finger-friendliness.
Dec 01 22:02:48 <GAN800> timeless I'm 250 miles away from my desktop with no easy VNC access at the moment.
Dec 01 22:03:05 <ds3> yes, Claws has cosmetic issues but so far it has been consistant
Dec 01 22:03:27 <ds3> modest seems to randomly notify about new mails and likes eatting some of it in the process
Dec 01 22:03:55 <timeless> ok
Dec 01 22:04:24 <ds3> in the 1 month of usage, it has eatten at least 3 messages
Dec 01 22:04:46 <derf> ds3: That's one of the reasons I don't use POP.
Dec 01 22:04:54 <ds3> and fails to sound a tone or flash the blue LED 80% of the time
Dec 01 22:05:07 <ds3> derf: I have no problems elsewhere with POP
Dec 01 22:05:49 <derf> I also collect mail from many places... so always wound up with "Leave mail on server" checked on whatever client I was using.
Dec 01 22:06:01 <ds3> same here
Dec 01 22:06:13 <ds3> that's how I found out I was loosing mail
Dec 01 22:06:18 <ds3> losing
Dec 01 22:06:18 <derf> And, of course, lots of clients would occasionally get confused and insist on re-downloading 20,000 messages.
Dec 01 22:06:46 <ds3> heh... that's what the Treo mail client did
Dec 01 22:06:48 <derf> At which point I figured I might as well just be using IMAP.
Dec 01 22:20:29 <RST38h> this brings me to a question
Dec 01 22:20:38 <RST38h> Is ANYONE at all using Modest regularly?
Dec 01 22:21:11 <timeless> does it do something?
Dec 01 22:21:11 <GAN800> I do when I'm mobile
Dec 01 22:21:24 <ds3> I was til I got fed up with it
Dec 01 22:21:47 <RST38h> GAN: Is it actually losing messages as ds3 says?
Dec 01 22:23:08 * RST38h can't say, with Modest mail check hanging hard several times a day
Dec 01 22:23:33 <ds3> oh yeah,that's another problem ;)
Dec 01 22:24:01 <GAN800> I haven't lost any that I've noticed.
Dec 01 22:25:10 <RST38h> the hangups should get fixes with the next ssu, or so nokia people say
Dec 01 22:29:01 <GAN800> We're due
Dec 01 22:29:17 <GAN800> When was the last one? Week 40
Dec 01 22:31:28 <RST38h> this one will be the last
Dec 01 22:31:56 <GAN800> How do you know?
Dec 01 22:32:07 <GAN800> Magic crystal ball?
Dec 01 22:32:16 <RST38h> No magic this time
Dec 01 22:32:22 <RST38h> Someone from Nokia said that
Dec 01 22:32:59 <RST38h> One more Diablo SSU and then it is Fremntle
Dec 01 22:33:04 <GAN800> Who and where?
Dec 01 22:33:22 <RST38h> This I do not remember but will try looking up
Dec 01 22:33:40 * RST38h 's long term memory has got fully replaced with Google
Dec 01 22:33:55 <GAN800> I still need to find out who the hell integration@maemo.org is. . . .
Dec 01 22:35:45 <ds3> is Fremntle going to support the 800?
Dec 01 22:35:50 <Stskeeps> we dunno
Dec 01 22:35:50 <lcuk> GAN800, if its like the rest of maemo.org X-Fade will rolleyes at you :D
Dec 01 22:36:09 <soap> it has been days since I signed up @ garage,maemo.org and my username / password still don't work on the rest of the site.
Dec 01 22:36:39 * lcuk karate chops the BLT out of lardmans hand
Dec 01 22:37:00 <GAN800> ds3, uknown, but a community backport will be much easier this time around.
Dec 01 22:37:37 <lardman> lcuk: ah, no-fair!
Dec 01 22:37:39 <lcuk> whens the n910 comin out anyway
Dec 01 22:37:51 <lardman> week on thursday
Dec 01 22:37:57 * Stskeeps looks forward to rx-51
Dec 01 22:38:10 <lardman> Stskeeps: is that the code name?
Dec 01 22:38:33 <Stskeeps> yeah, it's in various linux-omap patches and source on stage.*
Dec 01 22:38:55 <lardman> cool, anything interesting from the patches, etc.?
Dec 01 22:38:56 <Stskeeps> so i'm quite assuming so
Dec 01 22:38:58 <Stskeeps> not really
Dec 01 22:39:11 <lardman> likewise any curious browser idents been seen yet...? :)
Dec 01 22:39:39 <ssvb> lardman: you might want to check this link - http://marc.info/?t=122787922200005&r=1&w=2 (16 bit multiplies should be much faster on C55x DSP)
Dec 01 22:40:37 <lardman> ssvb: looking now
Dec 01 22:41:07 <derf> soap: I had to wait, months, I think. You might want to try being less patient.
Dec 01 22:41:16 <lcuk> ssvb, \o
Dec 01 22:41:37 <soap> just can't file official bug reproduction recipes w/o one  :(
Dec 01 22:41:40 <ssvb> lcuk: hi
Dec 01 22:41:43 * lcuk broked liqbase
Dec 01 22:41:52 <lardman> ssvb: why should that be quicker? fixed point mac?
Dec 01 22:42:35 * lardman can't remember what variable size the guts were using
Dec 01 22:43:31 <ssvb> lardman: C55x DSP has only 16-bit multiplier, 32-bit multiplies are emulated using several 16-bit multiplies and additions unless I'm mistaken
Dec 01 22:43:51 <lardman> ssvb: ah ok, I can't remember tbh
Dec 01 22:44:14 <lardman> but iirc some of the guts were certainly longs if not long longs
Dec 01 22:44:22 <ssvb> lardman: but that patch is probably not the final one, it's better to keep an eye on this thread
Dec 01 22:44:33 <lardman> ssvb: I will do, thanks for the pointer :)
Dec 01 22:44:48 <lardman> ssvb: what are you doing, free-time-wise these days?
Dec 01 22:44:59 <lcuk> the loopunrolling will have had a large effect as well
Dec 01 22:45:06 <lardman> ssvb: still thinking of freeing the 770?
Dec 01 22:45:09 <ssvb> lardman: IIRC, it can do 16x16 multiplies, accumulating result in 40-bit accumulator
Dec 01 22:45:19 <lardman> lcuk: yeah, I think the C55 compiler does that pretty well anyway
Dec 01 22:45:47 <lcuk> heh, i prefer to give hints anyway
Dec 01 22:45:59 * lcuk hits stupid pooter
Dec 01 22:46:27 <lardman> well improvements to sbc are always a good thing anyway :)
Dec 01 22:46:51 <lardman> hmm, /me can't access webmail...
Dec 01 22:49:48 <ssvb> lardman: I'm doing different stuff, still can't get into the right mood and finally implement support for setting arbitrary resolutions for SDL :)
Dec 01 22:56:09 <ssvb> lardman: have been moving to another apartment during the last weeks, but finally it's over
Dec 01 22:59:36 <lcuk> ssvb, sounds interesting
Dec 01 22:59:49 <lcuk> i mean the sdl thing..
Dec 01 23:00:12 <lcuk> but i have to vanish
Dec 01 23:00:13 <lcuk> bbl
Dec 01 23:02:04 <lardman> ssvb: yeah I've been busy recently, missing coding
Dec 01 23:02:43 <lardman> ssvb: baddu's opengl-on-dsp looks interesting though, so I think I'll spend some time hacking on that
Dec 01 23:03:18 * lardman wants some new hardware to get excited about
Dec 02 01:16:17 * ljp too
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