**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 04 02:59:57 2008 Dec 04 03:02:35 deblet-installer makes one for you Dec 04 03:03:40 but it said something about if i use clone to SD Dec 04 03:03:42 it will screw it up Dec 04 03:03:46 the bootmenu Dec 04 03:04:04 it will replace, and not add my clone to sd entry Dec 04 03:05:28 Install Bootmenu first, say yes to removing test stuff and such, say yes to including bootmenu.conf (important). Reboot when done flashing. This is a special boot menu where boot menu items are made in /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item and refresh_bootmenu.d will flash this to initfs. If you are cloning or booting other OS'es, you'll need to make such .item files Dec 04 03:07:49 Stskeeps or Johnx: you here? Dec 04 03:34:22 how can i make a text list of all the apps have installed? Dec 04 03:59:20 InteliWasp, apt-cache pkgnames Dec 04 03:59:37 going from memory on that one.. Dec 04 04:09:23 My N800's almost 2 years old. Dec 04 04:09:26 I'm ready for a new tablet. . . . Dec 04 04:10:37 I think he meant 'installed', which would've been dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections Dec 04 04:10:57 Only I further think he meant things that are classified as "applications" by the application manager. Dec 04 04:19:19 GeneralAntilles: do you get tables for free, huh ? Dec 04 04:19:42 Full price for my first 770 and N800. Dec 04 04:19:56 Half off for my second of each Dec 04 04:20:14 why ? Dec 04 04:20:23 But, no, I've never received any special discounts. Dec 04 04:20:52 Because I got one from woot more than a year after release and another from buy the same. ;) Dec 04 04:21:39 well if you get one free of charge you can give one to me :P Dec 04 04:22:21 Shipping down South there is, what, $300? :P Dec 04 04:23:00 i paid 300 for my n800 6 months ago Dec 04 04:24:19 GAN800: what are you buying now ? Dec 04 04:24:32 Nothing for the moment Dec 04 04:24:58 i saw the n97 Dec 04 04:25:05 Will get an N900 when it comes out Dec 04 04:25:19 Cellphones do nothing for me Dec 04 04:25:31 The software sucks Dec 04 04:25:32 GAN800: what is the n900 like ? Dec 04 04:25:39 GAN800: thats true Dec 04 04:25:51 HD camera, 3g data, OMAP3430 Dec 04 04:26:00 That's all we know Dec 04 04:26:19 wow Dec 04 04:26:30 hw kbd ? Dec 04 04:26:54 I wish I had the money to buy a supercharger for my Camry. Both for the idiotic thrill and to sate my consumerist tendencies. Dec 04 04:27:12 Likely, but there's no details available beyond those 3 Dec 04 04:27:52 toyota ? Dec 04 04:28:17 Yeah Dec 04 04:28:21 you look like the average nerd guy who doesnt care about cars Dec 04 04:28:30 now youre talking about turbos Dec 04 04:28:32 The Scion super apparently fits Dec 04 04:28:59 Hehe, I care about lots of things. ;) Dec 04 04:29:05 * disco_stu never say a scion car Dec 04 04:29:13 saw** Dec 04 04:29:34 They're Toyotas for teenagers Dec 04 04:29:58 i own a peugeot Dec 04 04:30:10 wich takes me to college every day Dec 04 04:30:16 Toyota pushes them for the youth market in the States, but I don't know about anywhere else Dec 04 04:30:32 Hehe, don't sell those here. Dec 04 04:30:49 peugeot 206 ? Dec 04 04:31:03 No Peugeot Dec 04 04:31:06 i thought it was sold in usa Dec 04 04:31:14 Nope Dec 04 04:31:48 You really only see BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, VW/Audi, Ferrari Dec 04 04:31:57 * bef0rd drools Dec 04 04:31:58 wow Dec 04 04:32:41 The Japanese basically own the economy market Dec 04 04:32:56 With the US companies picking up whatever's left Dec 04 04:33:14 GAN800: so your tablet is 2 years old Dec 04 04:33:26 VW's really the only one pushing economy Euro cars Dec 04 04:33:35 Got it one day before release Dec 04 04:33:48 and pre-ordered the 770 before that Dec 04 04:34:10 did it have any problems ? Dec 04 04:34:14 I kinda wish I remembered exactly what turned me on to the 770 Dec 04 04:34:28 Hardware or software wise? Dec 04 04:34:32 HW Dec 04 04:34:50 Never had a single hardware issue Dec 04 04:35:35 and bat life ? Dec 04 04:37:44 The first 770's battery is pretty much shot Dec 04 04:37:54 The rest are holding up OK-ish Dec 04 04:39:37 GAN800: are you studying ? Dec 04 04:41:17 Not right at this moment. :P Dec 04 04:42:00 working ? Dec 04 04:43:07 Nah, I'm watching TV and chatting on IRC. ;) Dec 04 04:43:24 But, yeah, I'm in school Dec 04 05:28:51 hello, looking for help setting up cellular provider manually. I'm a backpacker and in places like thailand and cambodia i can pick my mobile service from the menu. But nothing listed for vietnam. Do I need special info about service (in this case VN Mobifone) to get things working? I have tried just putting in the name as it appears in my N80's (mobile) connection list and the N800 (tablet) attempts the connection but it fails Dec 04 05:31:13 i have Mobi-gprs-wap as access point name and selected gprs. Dec 04 05:49:52 Supposedly the U.S. is going to get the 107 in Aygo form sometime post-2009 Dec 04 06:33:52 So i need to have ubuntu-box to flash the android kernel or can i flash it on tablet Dec 04 07:03:34 c'mon guys wake up! Dec 04 07:03:42 the android work now Dec 04 07:03:56 can i flash the kernel in diablo? Dec 04 07:04:26 * qwerty12 wants to know how they changed the logo Dec 04 07:21:23 no sprint wimax in chicago Dec 04 07:21:25 what bullshit Dec 04 07:21:56 Hello Dec 04 08:27:34 morning all Dec 04 08:44:15 Hi am trying to run my d-bus based application on emulator, on 86 platform when running it is giving me this error message " ERROR: osso_initialize failed: " Dec 04 08:52:54 try to run it with run-standalone.sh app Dec 04 08:59:49 hm, vagalume is pretty neat Dec 04 09:05:25 what about the itching and burning? Dec 04 10:24:55 * RST38h yawns Dec 04 10:27:24 m00f Dec 04 10:48:01 johnx: how did you make hildon stop segfaulting? Dec 04 10:48:21 I ran it on a real device Dec 04 10:48:28 I was wrong about icons Dec 04 10:48:38 it really is a dbus in a chroot thing from what I can tell Dec 04 10:48:49 hmm Dec 04 10:48:58 running it on jaunty+mer on an N800 I didn't have to muck with icons anymore at all Dec 04 10:49:24 just apt-get install hildon-icons and make sure maemo-launcher gets started in start-hildon or before it Dec 04 10:49:36 k Dec 04 10:50:09 i took the liberty of compiling some of your branches yesterday Dec 04 10:50:54 ah, thanks Dec 04 10:50:55 btw, merbuilder talks in #merbuilder from now on Dec 04 10:51:05 found out how to make python jaiku behave Dec 04 10:51:13 ah, fun Dec 04 10:51:25 I should add it to my RSS feed list too Dec 04 10:52:44 * RST38h opens his eyes and sees usual suspects Dec 04 10:52:49 moo all Dec 04 10:53:09 it's kinda weird there's a dbus problem in chroot.. how the heck does sb work then? :P Dec 04 10:53:23 that startup script must handle it Dec 04 10:53:31 the scratchbox one Dec 04 10:53:55 k Dec 04 10:54:05 I was almost gonna try it last night, but decided that I had enough of hildon-desktop for the day Dec 04 10:55:31 my qt4.5 build died with a signal 9 on my desktop: oom killer got it after it filled 1GB of RAM and 512MB of swap Dec 04 10:55:44 this might be a candidate for cross compiling Dec 04 11:02:12 morning Dec 04 11:02:17 mornin' Dec 04 11:02:23 hi lardman Dec 04 11:03:03 Stskeeps: where is that channel? Dec 04 11:03:22 it's a jaiku channel, not IRC Dec 04 11:03:26 ah Dec 04 11:04:17 mark "i know imap and pop" apparently also knows wearleving better than anyone else on the mk Dec 04 11:04:20 ml Dec 04 11:04:24 jaiku == web2.0 irc :P Dec 04 11:04:34 but im not here right now Dec 04 11:09:25 suihkulokki: s/ml/planet ? ;) Dec 04 11:20:05 yeah, he's mostly right though Dec 04 11:27:20 * Stskeeps decides to clean up his inbox Dec 04 11:27:53 johnx: you use our "old" packages for mer boot on n8x0 or? Dec 04 11:28:54 yeah, deblet boot basics and utelnetd and I got a linuxrc from deblet as well Dec 04 11:29:50 *nod* Dec 04 11:29:58 i'll make some repo packages tonight and a builder i think Dec 04 11:30:18 other than that, I'm not messing with wifi. it's happy enough calling itself 00:00:c0:ff:ee Dec 04 11:30:35 hehe Dec 04 11:31:04 you saw that the android guys have 2.6.25 booting happily, right? I wonder if they're going to bring the new wifi driver in too Dec 04 11:31:23 yes looked interesting didn't it Dec 04 11:31:23 s/android/nth something/ Dec 04 11:31:24 johnx meant: you saw that the nth something guys have 2.6.25 booting happily, right? I wonder if they're going to bring the new wifi driver in too Dec 04 11:31:24 johnx: solca was in here last night and he has 2.6.28-rc8 or something with new wifi driver Dec 04 11:31:30 what's the planner kernel for Mer? Dec 04 11:31:33 johnx: and android Dec 04 11:31:37 lardman: no specifics yet Dec 04 11:31:41 well, hot sauce Dec 04 11:31:42 Stskeeps: ok Dec 04 11:31:54 johnx: try scroll back about 12h30m on the convo me and him had there Dec 04 11:32:29 heh, I'll look at my logs. I don't think I have that much scrollback Dec 04 11:32:49 johnx: top of http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-12-04.log.html Dec 04 11:32:52 * johnx is still pissed that qt4.5 died building on a desktop with 1GB of RAM Dec 04 11:33:04 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-12-04.log.html , scroll to 'ping Stskeeps' Dec 04 11:33:11 thanks lardman Dec 04 11:33:11 .. what lardman said Dec 04 11:33:16 thanks Stskeeps :) Dec 04 11:34:30 well, man, he shows up the nth right smartly :) Dec 04 11:34:42 very impressive :) Dec 04 11:35:04 Stskeeps: any thoughts on the use of the DSP in Mer? Dec 04 11:35:58 lardman: didn't really do thoughts in that direction, - things could be provided as gstreamer modules i guess (for codec stuff) Dec 04 11:36:02 * Stskeeps doesn't have much experience with ds Dec 04 11:36:03 p Dec 04 11:36:07 how's the dsp-opengl stuff going? Dec 04 11:36:18 I was wondering more whether you wanted to remove the proprietary bits Dec 04 11:36:37 Stskeeps: I've not had any time in the past couple of days, and haven;t seen baddu about either Dec 04 11:36:50 I have a free weekend though so plan to do some general hacking on lots of stuff Dec 04 11:37:06 lardman: well. the idea is a open system, where vendors can differentiate (provide codecs for hw, hw specifics) Dec 04 11:37:20 even with properitary blobs Dec 04 11:37:34 but there should be possiblity to remix your system and such if need be for instance Dec 04 11:37:39 back to the DSP, ssvb was talking about (for the 770) removing the need to sink pcm data, and instead outputting that from the ARM kernel, then being able to remove the Nokia DSP kernel and provide our own Dec 04 11:38:27 does anyone know if there's an ARM-side driver for the N810 hardware audio codec? Dec 04 11:39:09 re 770 i expect we'll at least provide a tar.gz image or the likes of mer.. since we had debian working, mer shouldn't be far off Dec 04 11:39:40 but in -any case-, people are most welcome to work on aspects of mer i have absolutely no clue about (dsp, etc) :P Dec 04 11:39:44 yeah I wasn't thinking specifically of a platform, just that ssvb had mentioned if for that one Dec 04 11:40:00 Stskeeps: yeah, well what would you like me to do is the question of course? ;) Dec 04 11:41:40 looking at what we know about Fremantle from the summit, audio output is to be done from the ARM, and the DSP to be used to decode video, so wokring out how to output audio directly from the ARM would be worth while Dec 04 11:42:09 and then perhaps working out how to transfer data ARM<->DSP faster too :) Dec 04 11:43:41 well, if you have some ideas on things that should need an overhaul, things that could have OSS replacements, interfacing with pulseaudio and such, i'm all ears Dec 04 11:43:57 yes Dec 04 11:44:12 I'll do some hacking over the weekend, and we'll have a chat about it next week Dec 04 11:44:15 alright Dec 04 11:44:38 do you have pulseaudio working atm in your images? Dec 04 11:44:54 * lardman needs to catch up a bit and read the lists/wiki/etc Dec 04 11:45:33 well, not just yet, i'm about to start building the image builders, but pulseaudio as such is there, probably just needs a backend Dec 04 11:46:07 we decided to do everything by the book so we were a bit put back, so we're back at same level as before now :) Dec 04 11:46:07 cool Dec 04 11:46:28 where's the best place to catch up? ITT thread, mailing list? Dec 04 11:47:03 Summeli:=> Thanks Dec 04 11:47:12 lardman, well it's pretty boring. we basically have a blank hildon-desktop up Dec 04 11:47:22 Mer_Blueprint on wiki, #reconstructedPOC on jaiku, i guess Dec 04 11:47:49 and what johnx said.. but this does have potential :P Dec 04 11:47:58 ah that's a good point, lots off desktop applets are closed source are they not? Dec 04 11:48:15 and the ones that are open aren't packaged :P Dec 04 11:48:24 in which case we need to bend Nokia's ear as to releasing the source Dec 04 11:48:27 johnx: ok Dec 04 11:48:45 I mean, we finally *just* got hildon-desktop launching again yesterday after way too much time spent running down dead-ends Dec 04 11:49:21 but maemo-launcher is happy, which is important for any real progress to be made Dec 04 11:49:22 lardman: on the other hand status bar applets are slowly getting there, such as battery (pybattery), backlight/volume (advanced backlight) Dec 04 11:49:36 and people are getting a good feel of how to develop desktop applets Dec 04 11:50:44 replacements you mean? Dec 04 11:51:11 yeah Dec 04 11:51:22 cool Dec 04 11:51:28 johnx: btw seems we can also push to ~mer-committers/m-r/ Dec 04 11:51:34 and work together on branches Dec 04 11:52:04 be very afraid :) Dec 04 11:53:33 lardmann Dec 04 11:53:40 hey RST38h Dec 04 11:53:50 how are things? Dec 04 11:54:31 RST38h: not bad, lots of stuff to catch up on (hacking-wise) as I have a free weekend :) Dec 04 11:56:59 'eyup Dec 04 11:57:11 hi Dave Dec 04 11:58:12 andre__: what does "internal copy "INVALID"" mean from #305? Dec 04 12:05:24 So - can someone reassure me Dec 04 12:05:50 Am I the only one who doesn't "get" the boundaries between "Maemo X", "Y for Maemo" and "maemo.org Z"N Dec 04 12:05:55 That N was a ? Dec 04 12:06:17 lardman, it means that some Nokians don't get it :-P Dec 04 12:06:46 lardman, "If the user sets the proxy field to contain something, then the value is used as is and we will not try to guess what the user really wanted." Dec 04 12:07:00 Nokia likes 3rd party apps called Y for Maemo, doesn't like 3rd party apps called Maemo X and maemo.org Z is related to the website Dec 04 12:07:12 hi, is anyone familiar with updating libglade2-0 to 1:2.6.1? i'm using an N800 with the latest OS2008. Dec 04 12:08:23 * bergie needs to do something about MaemoPlazer then ;-) Dec 04 12:09:02 bergie, as far as I know Nokia hasn't filed any lawsuits yet :) so far the "dislike" comes from some words on the talk page of a wiki Dec 04 12:09:08 not exactly legal advice :D Dec 04 12:09:19 apt really needs a 'why' command Dec 04 12:09:22 "why does this not work" Dec 04 12:09:31 dislike isn't really a trademark-protecting term :-D Dec 04 12:09:45 andre__: hmm Dec 04 12:10:04 Stskeeps, solves all your problems with apt-get: apt-get moo Dec 04 12:10:12 johnx: why did you have haf-marketing-release in bzr btw? Dec 04 12:10:29 I thought it provided something I needed Dec 04 12:10:41 odd, cos i had it in repo already it looked like Dec 04 12:10:46 huh Dec 04 12:10:50 let me check what it provides Dec 04 12:10:57 lardman, feel free to add counter-arguments Dec 04 12:10:58 i'm just wondering cos i have an odd issue atm Dec 04 12:11:19 did you build and upload my haf-marketing-release? Dec 04 12:11:42 what's the problem with apt? Dec 04 12:11:46 yeah, but it refused entry cos of already existing Dec 04 12:11:48 johnx: Plus, there's "Maemo community", don't forget Dec 04 12:11:53 johnx: .. sec Dec 04 12:12:00 There aren't just apps, there's also subdomains Dec 04 12:12:11 Will talk.maemo.org continue to be known as ITt? Dec 04 12:12:18 Or perhaps Maemo Talk? Dec 04 12:12:28 johnx: nm, i'm being an idiot Dec 04 12:12:29 Or perhaps ljust "talk.maemo.org"? Dec 04 12:12:32 dneary: i vote for Talk Maemo Dec 04 12:12:32 :P Dec 04 12:13:17 johnx: forgot pinnin' Dec 04 12:13:21 I vote for tMo with some kind of weird specific capitalization to differentiate from T-Mobile (T-Mo) Dec 04 12:13:30 TM� Dec 04 12:13:30 :P Dec 04 12:13:32 (tm�) Dec 04 12:13:36 andre__: will do Dec 04 12:13:57 johnx: Yes - MoT Dec 04 12:14:05 or tm�o (t-mae-ohh) Dec 04 12:14:13 but then it's *never* Maemo.org Dec 04 12:14:20 it's maemo.org Dec 04 12:14:24 Stskeeps, now, you're getting somewhere:　tも Dec 04 12:14:27 and it's no æ, it's ae Dec 04 12:14:34 Nokia's always been clear on that Dec 04 12:14:41 andre__: though it looks like timeless has a better idea of the innards than I Dec 04 12:14:44 callit Taelkmo :-P Dec 04 12:14:50 s/callit/call it/ Dec 04 12:14:50 gomiam meant: call it Taelkmo :-P Dec 04 12:14:57 lardman, same here :-D Dec 04 12:15:11 or just Talk mo'? Dec 04 12:15:14 :) Dec 04 12:15:19 (as in, talk more) Dec 04 12:15:21 Moema. Dec 04 12:16:26 moema sounds like some kind of skin disease Dec 04 12:18:07 god, apt-proxy is a lifesaver Dec 04 12:31:59 Maemo then Dec 04 12:47:30 rehi RST38h Dec 04 12:49:34 heya pupnik! how is your maemo hacking? =) Dec 04 12:53:31 RST38h: need to do some housekeeping, then i'll try to pick something easy to start up on again RST38h Dec 04 12:55:57 ehehe Dec 04 13:08:16 how do i update libglade2-0 to 1:2.6.1 ? Dec 04 13:08:32 why you need this? Dec 04 13:09:00 this application apparently needs it: http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 04 13:09:20 hm then mmpc should write were you find it Dec 04 13:09:53 that would have been nice indeed... Dec 04 13:15:03 actually the problem is that there is already a llibglade2-0 installed but their are a lot of dependencies Dec 04 13:22:20 hmm, is there a good mail notifier for diablo that isn't modest? Dec 04 13:22:29 i don't want a full client, just one that pops up and highlights screen Dec 04 13:23:12 there's a gmail notifier I think Dec 04 13:23:14 extent tinymail? Dec 04 13:23:33 tinymail is half of the problems in modest Dec 04 13:23:47 lemme check though Dec 04 13:25:38 Sts: http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/ Dec 04 13:26:42 ooooh...that looks great Dec 04 13:26:51 RST38h: works on maemo? Dec 04 13:27:01 After porting, it should =) Dec 04 13:27:06 it's a systray app Dec 04 13:27:21 will probably work straight away, but might need some cleanup Dec 04 13:29:01 I wonder if it will keep the CPU running though... Dec 04 13:34:46 Depends on what you replace sleep() with :) Dec 04 13:35:22 sleep is for wusses Dec 04 13:36:15 real motherfuckers do gettimeofday(&TOD) while (TOD.seconds (like Flash plugin for MicroB does, evidently) Dec 04 13:37:11 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/DSC00488.JPG <- office after cleanup :> Dec 04 13:37:25 (ignore the mess on the other table..) Dec 04 13:39:03 Sts: So, all the rest got moved to the other table? =) Dec 04 13:39:09 hehe, that part isn't mine :P Dec 04 13:40:20 my usable desk space at home is from the left side of your coffee mug to the right of your mouse pad :P Dec 04 13:40:51 and imagine the left n800 replaced with a zaurus :) Dec 04 13:41:12 Enjoy: http://photo505.com/ Dec 04 13:42:07 that's a somewhat neat trick Dec 04 13:43:41 More themes at photofunia.com Dec 04 13:43:57 https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/ke-recv/src/fremantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh?revision=16812&root=maemo&sortby=date&view=markup Dec 04 13:44:00 interesting Dec 04 13:44:18 768mb swap partition sounds a bit extreme Dec 04 13:45:13 Stskeeps: Well, with the 32GB disk space we will have, it is ok ;) Dec 04 13:45:15 I guess they need it for native compilation of qt4 Dec 04 13:45:27 is it ok to let that slip? :P Dec 04 13:45:29 X-Fade: i'm actually not entirely uncertain that is so Dec 04 13:45:53 this file shows atleast 3gb internal mmc Dec 04 13:46:18 with a 2gb linux partition, rest being mkdosfs Dec 04 13:46:33 and running the system off of the internal MMC card...kind of odd Dec 04 13:46:41 Stskeeps: Suspend-to-disk? Dec 04 13:46:50 X-Fade: maybe Dec 04 13:47:03 i'm really curious about n900 specs now Dec 04 13:47:06 That would require at least the RAM size. Dec 04 13:47:08 though actually, untouchable / and unionfs is an interesting idea Dec 04 13:47:30 if they go for 512MB of RAM I'll be kind of amazed Dec 04 13:47:55 if they go for 768MB I'll be downright awestruck Dec 04 13:48:13 Seeing the N97 with 32 gb, I guess we will see the same. Dec 04 13:48:15 well, 1/3 * ram + ram, isn't that the rule? Dec 04 13:48:27 so 512mb ram, 768mb swap Dec 04 13:48:46 yeah, or RAM * 1.5 Dec 04 13:48:51 Stskeeps: Yeah, I think so. You need the RAM size for the dump and some space for housekeeping. Dec 04 13:49:06 excuse me for drolling. Dec 04 13:49:36 I was really betting on 128MB until the pandora got 256MB, but 512MB wasn't even on my radar Dec 04 13:50:13 heh...guess I better make sure I do something to get into the dev program next time around :) Dec 04 13:50:30 stirring up enough about Mer might do the trick :P Dec 04 13:50:44 Stskeeps: send_enable_pcsuite() Dec 04 13:50:53 X-Fade: yeah, i've seen the pc suite integration Dec 04 13:50:55 g_nokia Dec 04 13:50:55 So more integration with Nokia's tools.. Dec 04 13:51:16 * johnx looks at the avatars showing up on #reconstructedPOC...thinks that maybe he should actually get to work Dec 04 13:52:18 i'm just happy qgil finally caught the bait and joined :P Dec 04 13:52:37 lo meiz Dec 04 13:52:50 hi Dec 04 13:52:52 I am getting a black screen of death Dec 04 13:52:56 hmm? Dec 04 13:53:10 trying to boot android Dec 04 13:53:11 mer? remembered fb_update_mode manual? Dec 04 13:53:13 ah Dec 04 13:53:32 prod solca, he seems to have more insight and a later kernel Dec 04 13:53:41 (not sure if he published it) Dec 04 13:54:38 johnx: slowly starting on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/imager/files Dec 04 13:54:43 will make armel one tonight Dec 04 13:55:04 ok, I think I'll make a hildon-desktop-env so we have something to start with Dec 04 13:55:09 sounds good Dec 04 13:55:13 there's so many loose ends :P Dec 04 13:57:58 * Stskeeps ponders where the old mer packages went on his bootstrapper Dec 04 14:11:03 I'm starting to think hildon-desktop-env should have the startup script given that hildon-desktop doesn't actually depend on all the things mentioned in start-hildon... Dec 04 14:11:10 *nod* Dec 04 14:11:45 you pulling changes from ~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop? Dec 04 14:11:56 fixed some build problems last night Dec 04 14:12:39 ok, I'm mainly just putting together the meta package for it right now Dec 04 14:12:43 k Dec 04 14:13:09 new name for deblet-boot-basics, nit-bootmenu-compat Dec 04 14:13:24 building in a sec or two Dec 04 14:13:39 woo! Dec 04 14:13:46 getting close to an installable system again Dec 04 14:13:50 yeah Dec 04 14:14:00 gets faster doing this every time, huh? Dec 04 14:14:21 yeah, cos you know the pitfalls Dec 04 14:14:29 having deblet-boot-basics was excellent for booting other OS'es Dec 04 14:15:30 I think I'll avoid Recommends: and make a separate hildon-desktop-env-extras or something Dec 04 14:15:37 k Dec 04 14:15:50 we should seperate the confs from hildon-desktop at some point too Dec 04 14:16:01 they don't really belong in there. they're "hildon themes" Dec 04 14:16:19 ah, into a hildon-desktop-common or similar? Dec 04 14:16:48 does hildon-desktop have any hope of running without them? Dec 04 14:16:59 well it obviously needs one of them, but it's similar to themes Dec 04 14:17:10 it's the configuration with what goes where and such, like, status bar applets enabled Dec 04 14:17:23 which may be good to seperate from hildon-desktop Dec 04 14:17:55 yes, very likely Dec 04 14:18:06 hildon-desktop-layout? Dec 04 14:18:10 yeah, guess so Dec 04 14:18:20 hildon-desktop-layout-800x480 :) Dec 04 14:18:22 hildon-desktop-layout-diablo,mer,um, etc Dec 04 14:18:24 hehe, yeah Dec 04 14:19:36 so, ie, hildon-desktop-layout-800x480 Provides: hildon-desktop-layout Dec 04 14:19:41 yeah Dec 04 14:19:50 very doable Dec 04 14:20:12 i wonder if u-m would fit better on smaller resolution Dec 04 14:20:43 I was thinking that too, but just pulling the left navigator bar would really be fine Dec 04 14:21:00 though that might be what they did... Dec 04 14:21:08 it would still need some minor tweaking Dec 04 14:21:15 and a button to switch apps Dec 04 14:33:36 * Stskeeps ponders how to deal with the kernel modules Dec 04 14:33:48 proprietary or otherwise? Dec 04 14:34:05 well kernel-source-diablo i guess Dec 04 14:35:01 last time i had to compile it in sb Dec 04 14:35:43 well, you can always hope we won't launch mer with diablo's kernel :) Dec 04 14:36:01 true, true Dec 04 14:36:32 what was the problem that required sb? packaging? compiler dependency? Dec 04 14:36:46 odd compiler error really Dec 04 14:37:25 * johnx needs to find a package that provides one simple script and steal it's packaging... Dec 04 14:37:42 i use a simple Makefile :P Dec 04 14:37:49 look at the old deblet packages? Dec 04 14:37:57 you use dh_make? Dec 04 14:38:04 yeah Dec 04 14:38:38 i think with regards to kernel modules and everything i'm going behind the builder's back and upload straight to repo. Dec 04 14:38:49 we're going to be stuck forever in "doing it the right way" else Dec 04 14:39:08 I 2nd the motion. anyone object? no. good. Dec 04 14:39:12 motion passed Dec 04 14:39:26 see, bureaucracy isn't hard :) Dec 04 14:39:28 hehe Dec 04 14:45:46 so, let's see, I should do a bzr merge lp:~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop or something else? Dec 04 14:46:26 yeah, that sounds like a way Dec 04 14:46:57 and then you can push back changes after committing Dec 04 14:47:54 finished my meta package, so I'll pull out start-hildon from hildon-desktop Dec 04 14:47:57 k Dec 04 14:48:28 * Stskeeps waits on reprepro Dec 04 14:51:07 moo, zap Dec 04 14:56:02