**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 05 02:59:58 2008 Dec 05 03:06:39 GAN800: GeneralAntilles: ping ? Dec 05 03:06:51 pong Dec 05 03:07:04 yo Dec 05 03:07:24 i have a question.. hoping your entire experience can help me out Dec 05 03:07:34 upgraded Canola to its latest version Dec 05 03:07:42 and now youtube plugin disappeared Dec 05 03:07:49 any hint ? Dec 05 03:08:49 "latest" Dec 05 03:08:56 Extras-devel latest or Extras latest? Dec 05 03:09:06 dunno :P Dec 05 03:09:46 b10 or b9? Dec 05 03:09:50 Either way, I don't know. Dec 05 03:09:57 2.0.0~beta10-maemo3 Dec 05 03:09:59 #canola should know tomorrow. Dec 05 03:10:09 Canola clean then reinstall b9 might help. Dec 05 03:10:35 i dont want to lose all my cd covers again .. Dec 05 03:14:22 * disco_stu is going to play CSS online Dec 05 03:20:28 disco_stu: what's CSS online? Dec 05 03:27:29 pupnik: i play counter strike source Dec 05 03:27:41 online, of course Dec 05 03:29:02 oh ok Dec 05 03:53:54 Is gnome worth it on Deblet? Dec 05 03:53:57 performance wise Dec 05 03:55:04 Khertan2: ping Dec 05 04:04:25 If i were to buy a bluetooth headset, would it work well on the n800 ? Dec 05 04:04:32 for speaker + mic ? Dec 05 04:36:53 Do we have a google calendar client that works yet? Dec 05 04:37:13 GPE Calendar + erminig is very buggy -- it repeats alarms for things that have already gone off quite regularly Dec 05 04:37:32 mcalendar doesn't sync with gcal properly, and almost never alarms right anyway Dec 05 04:44:34 * GeneralAntilles starts a new blog post about the repositories Dec 05 07:10:59 Hello all **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 05 07:45:09 2008 Dec 05 07:53:01 Man there's just so much going on in here Dec 05 07:53:22 I asked a question 3 hours ago, and since then there have been 2 lines Dec 05 07:53:35 And like 100 lines of joins, parts, and nickchanges Dec 05 07:53:56 * Stskeeps wonders if that guy thought this is a support channel Dec 05 08:16:54 * Stskeeps yawns loudly Dec 05 08:24:50 * Proteous farts in Stskeeps general direction Dec 05 08:27:29 morning Meiz_n810 Dec 05 08:29:12 morning Dec 05 08:31:57 * Stskeeps is working a bit on the installer for mer-armel Dec 05 08:32:06 ported the rescue menu and such last night Dec 05 08:33:48 ok Dec 05 08:34:38 does scim work properly on the n800? Dec 05 08:35:01 it totally fucked up my keyboard, and I couldn't even bring up the keyboard at all, after installing it Dec 05 08:35:17 Meiz_n810: any more luck with android? Dec 05 08:37:17 I got it working yesterday, but i flashed back to original kernel Dec 05 08:37:34 *nod* Dec 05 08:37:48 * Meiz_n810 still want's to use maemo (and Mer :P) Dec 05 08:38:00 solca's doing an interesting experiment, where he is able to boot different kernels without flashing or loading through usb Dec 05 08:38:21 so it boots up in a minimal linux kernel and then that kernel executes the other kernel Dec 05 08:38:24 which is quite neat Dec 05 08:38:40 sounds interesting... Dec 05 08:38:51 yeah, saves a lot of flashing :P Dec 05 08:38:58 will be interesting to see what comes of it Dec 05 08:40:14 meaning you can multiboot between maemo, android, etc Dec 05 08:42:31 even if android supports wlan and APM, i wont replace maemo with it Dec 05 08:42:51 but with multiboot it's fine :) Dec 05 08:43:32 hehe Dec 05 08:44:01 * Stskeeps would possibly replace maemo with mer, but we'll see Dec 05 08:44:59 nobody uses scim with the N800? Dec 05 08:45:31 WormFood: maemo-cjk does, I think Dec 05 08:45:41 but does it work for anyone? Dec 05 08:45:50 I can't get the god damn keyboard to work after installing scim Dec 05 08:46:35 actually it seems to to use UIM instead Dec 05 08:51:25 is there any way to make the application manager not ask if I'm sure to install 3rd-party applications (or update them)? Dec 05 08:52:18 the damned legal warning, heh Dec 05 08:52:27 yeah, it is rather annoying Dec 05 08:52:40 think there's patches laying around for it Dec 05 08:52:57 maybe there should be a check box to only check once or something for it Dec 05 08:53:11 "yes i understand the legal implications, now please leave me alone" Dec 05 08:53:11 :P Dec 05 08:53:53 more like "shut the fuck up, I know what I'm doing! I knew what I was getting into when I bough the N800 in the first place" Dec 05 08:54:15 You should be thankful to Nokia legal department that they do not require you to check this box while under lie detector. Dec 05 08:54:17 honestly, I wouldn't have bought the N800 if I couldn't install 3rd party apps for it Dec 05 08:54:30 WormFood: use apt-{get,cache} :) Dec 05 08:54:50 with my keyboard that does not work because I installed scim? Dec 05 08:55:20 See? You already broke standard system setup. Dec 05 08:55:27 WormFood: ssh from the desktop, unless you really need to do it on the spot Dec 05 08:55:35 So, when you checked that box, you did not really mean it. Dec 05 08:55:53 s/desktop/& or laptop, etc Dec 05 08:55:55 I didn't expect scim to break the god damn keyboard Dec 05 08:56:09 But Nokia warned you, right? Dec 05 08:56:12 now I need a new battery for my N800 Dec 05 08:56:29 WormFood: hmm, well someones cranky :) Dec 05 08:56:33 technically, yes RST38h, however, I'm not asking Nokia for help Dec 05 08:56:43 do you know where the term "cranky" originates from? Dec 05 08:57:05 WormFood: please enlighten me on its etymology Dec 05 08:57:09 But in case you ask, they will tell you "we warned you, what were you thinking, fuck off" =) Dec 05 08:57:16 it comes from the days when cars were started by a hand crank Dec 05 08:57:16 if you find it enjoyable Dec 05 08:57:23 imagine a car that is hard to start Dec 05 08:57:29 WormFood: oh, yes that makes a lot of sense Dec 05 08:57:33 indeed Dec 05 08:57:34 thank you Dec 05 08:57:39 I found it rather interesting Dec 05 08:58:00 very much Dec 05 08:58:02 and within a year, after the electric starter was invented, it was on every new car Dec 05 08:58:25 Morning. Dec 05 08:58:31 afternoon X-Fade Dec 05 08:58:37 it is almost 5pm here Dec 05 08:59:09 WormFood: We use UGT here ;) Dec 05 08:59:26 Here I use UTC+8 Dec 05 08:59:54 and it still boggles my mind, why omweather needs to reboot to work Dec 05 09:00:08 Morning, all Dec 05 09:00:42 ok, I'm going, chat with you guys later Dec 05 09:00:52 WormFood: I am getting a different etymology from http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=c&p=29 although the history on automobiles is very interesting nonetheless Dec 05 09:01:50 only the mechanical use, e.g. turning a crank seems to have such a short lived history Dec 05 09:01:53 but ? Dec 05 09:02:08 excuse me, "to crank X" Dec 05 09:02:11 crank as a verb Dec 05 09:02:56 Morning X-Fade Dec 05 09:03:09 Feeling better? Dec 05 09:03:29 tekojo: Yeah, much ;) Dec 05 09:03:59 moo, X-Fade Dec 05 09:04:03 anyone know of a tablet that is a little larger than the n8x0 and runs linux here and now or to be released in the near future ? Dec 05 09:04:26 larger == more display Dec 05 09:04:29 mentalmonkey: at www.google.com type in "MID tablet" and press enter Dec 05 09:05:16 * Stskeeps isn't terribly impressed over MIDs Dec 05 09:07:14 RST38h: "+MID +tablet +linux", just interested if someone is stoked about a product, that's all, sorry for the largely irrelvant discourse Dec 05 09:07:23 not so much found Dec 05 09:09:34 check umpcportal Dec 05 09:11:28 well I won't have $ for anything for a bit :), my n800 is good looking and I'm pleased to be able to use it for work and pleasure Dec 05 09:15:12 best to all Dec 05 09:34:11 Hi there Dec 05 09:37:29 Hi Dec 05 10:07:06 hi... anyone knows if SDL for Maemo is at mature stage? Dec 05 10:07:12 yes, it is Dec 05 10:07:38 vai__: It has been there from the beginning. Dec 05 10:11:10 morning# Dec 05 10:11:26 thanks Dec 05 10:14:24 mourning, lardman Dec 05 10:17:10 RST38h: no, quite happy actually ;) Dec 05 10:22:44 hmm, Pandora would-be users still don't have any info about a PowerVR driver Dec 05 10:22:57 I wonder if this is endemic to all Linux platforms Dec 05 10:23:30 Anyone got their Pandora yet? Dec 05 10:23:37 no chance :) Dec 05 10:23:45 the PowerVR isn't (afaik) integrated to X in any way, so it's quite useless (unless you want to play opengl es games with out X) Dec 05 10:23:50 still random arbitrary delays Dec 05 10:23:57 Colour me surprised Dec 05 10:24:17 kulve: well better than nothing, but with a driver one might at least start trying to integrate, assuming the stub is GPL Dec 05 10:25:00 Jaffa: some people have dev boards and the like, looks pretty damn quick (i.e. omap3 is quick, not specifically the Pandora) Dec 05 10:25:08 the kernel drivers should be open source but I'm afraid they might be just wrappers and the all the logic would be in user space (close source) libraries Dec 05 10:25:20 yeah, that's how it is for the omap2 Dec 05 10:25:35 but that's a step nearer anyway ;) Dec 05 10:25:49 the userspace libs are pretty huge too iirc Dec 05 10:26:00 * lardman searches his desktop Dec 05 10:26:21 lardman: :( (about the pandora) Dec 05 10:26:57 kulve: hmm, looks like the sdk came with a patched X server Dec 05 10:27:09 glass_: yeah, I'm wondering if that's a lost cause Dec 05 10:27:09 what SDK? Dec 05 10:27:15 OpenGL one Dec 05 10:27:25 from the img.tech. site? Dec 05 10:27:33 no, from Ti site originally Dec 05 10:27:55 what's the binary called? Or do you have sources for the x? Dec 05 10:28:11 no sources, still can't find the dir, give me a tick Dec 05 10:28:35 ticks tend to be quite fast nowadays.. Dec 05 10:29:07 I'm using dyntick ;) Dec 05 10:29:25 though so ;) Dec 05 10:29:42 well there are two, freedesktop/bin dir, called Xfbdev and Xmbx Dec 05 10:30:04 Xmbx.. Dec 05 10:30:26 yeah, name's a bit of a give away :) Dec 05 10:30:30 are you talking about that TI gaming site that provides some SDKs on request? Dec 05 10:30:43 yes Dec 05 10:31:08 though they used to be free downloads, not sure anyone's managed to request one since they were taken down Dec 05 10:32:47 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/untitled.jpg Dec 05 10:32:52 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12700&contentId=27458 Dec 05 10:32:57 requires a kernel driver? (xmbx) Dec 05 10:33:07 yes Dec 05 10:33:09 I've been mailing to them about that but I haven't got any replies lately Dec 05 10:34:17 pvr.ko is for what kernel? Dec 05 10:34:28 2.6.8 iirc Dec 05 10:34:42 k Dec 05 10:34:53 "OpenSource Kernel v2.6.10" says the URL I just pasted Dec 05 10:35:02 that info can be stripped, but it still does nothing Dec 05 10:35:15 I think the only one with binaries was the Montavista one Dec 05 10:35:39 also the version in the binary didn't match the version in the archive filename :S Dec 05 10:36:07 Anyway, we've done all this before, I was just showing the size of the userside libs Dec 05 10:36:34 k Dec 05 10:36:45 probably unstripped though, as is the kernel module, I'll have to check at some point Dec 05 10:37:02 caffeine time :) Dec 05 10:37:11 try gdb it and info functions Dec 05 10:37:22 if its unstripped Dec 05 10:37:37 and info types Dec 05 10:39:27 it usually gives off interesting results Dec 05 10:49:11 especially if kernel module is unstripped.. Dec 05 11:45:03 Hi Dec 05 11:45:37 Want to know, the built in media player in Nokia N810 device uses gstreamer on backend? Dec 05 11:45:45 Yes Dec 05 11:46:01 So the metadata is also extracted from media files through GstList? Dec 05 11:46:44 Don't know. Dec 05 11:47:25 ok Dec 05 11:47:55 Do you know if the file manager is using some plugin to extract metadata from files and storing them in local database or some xml file? Dec 05 11:49:25 File manager does not Dec 05 11:49:46 There is a metacrawler process for that Dec 05 11:50:25 hmm so the process name is metacrawler? Dec 05 11:51:16 metalayer-crawler? Dec 05 11:52:37 correct Dec 05 11:55:48 re Dec 05 11:56:10 So is this metalyaer-crawler responsible for all types of files metadata, i.e. you have to put media type to the metadata_lib.conf file Dec 05 11:59:40 StsN800: it contains dwarves ;) Dec 05 12:00:25 hmm. DWARF? Dec 05 12:00:37 yes Dec 05 12:01:00 interesting Dec 05 12:01:55 should be possible to drag stuff out of Dec 05 12:02:10 it is Dec 05 12:02:14 and has been done Dec 05 12:02:20 still a big effort to re-write Dec 05 12:02:30 best to hold our horses.... Dec 05 12:03:26 mm. well i was talking about structure definitions, etc Dec 05 12:04:02 yes, I seem to remember those Dec 05 12:04:18 any body knows if built in media player in Nokia N810 device uses , gstreamer to extract metadata information or libcrawler does it for it? Dec 05 12:04:50 Shezi: look at some of the threads about ogg support - should tell you whether it's GStreamer which does the parsing Dec 05 12:07:20 Shezi: I think the metalayer crawler uses gstreamer to extract the metadata Dec 05 12:08:13 Stskeeps: what to use to output the dwarf data? Someone sent me the original, not sure where I put it Dec 05 12:09:27 drawfdump Dec 05 12:09:34 dwarfdump even :) Dec 05 12:09:39 lardman: Well GStreamer has its own capability for geting meta data information, so i am thinking if metacrawler is also doing this. then :\? Dec 05 12:09:43 doesnt gdb take dwarf? Dec 05 12:10:03 Shezi: run ldd on the metacrawler binary and see if it uses gstreamer Dec 05 12:10:04 try gdb pvr.ko, info types Dec 05 12:10:24 StsN800: will have to wait till this evening when I have a Linux box available Dec 05 12:10:28 k Dec 05 12:10:44 prolly need a tablet with arm gdb Dec 05 12:10:48 StsN800: and I hope that it won't actually be necessary to reverse engineer it anyway Dec 05 12:10:58 yeah Dec 05 12:11:46 kulve: So you mean, that metalayer crawler is extracting information for media files through gstreamer, and for other files by itself? Dec 05 12:12:02 Shezi: cat /usr/share/libmetalayer/metadata_lib.conf Dec 05 12:12:05 or is it just extracting information for only media files, which are coming in and going out of the system Dec 05 12:12:19 ok let me chk for lardman and kulve Dec 05 12:15:26 its not even installed in my scratchbox Dec 05 12:15:44 it's probably on the device only Dec 05 12:15:56 oh Dec 05 12:17:24 well kulve : it shows extractors , as mp3 libmtext_mp3 Dec 05 12:17:30 amr libmtext_amr Dec 05 12:17:47 * lardman tidies his Council email folder Dec 05 12:17:48 so i think it uses some of its own features to extract the metadata from media files, instead of gstreamer Dec 05 12:18:19 run names on the binary Dec 05 12:18:31 Shezi: some of them have the word "gst" there (like ogg have) Dec 05 12:20:38 actually i dont have ogg entry Dec 05 12:21:16 so might be is that, that for ogg entry, metalayer crawler is using gstreamer Dec 05 12:22:56 i think the entry should be ogg libmtext_gst Dec 05 12:24:08 ogg-support adds that entry Dec 05 12:24:18 ogg libmtext_gst Dec 05 12:24:21 yeah, that one Dec 05 12:24:53 so are these some kind of libraries libmtext_xxx Dec 05 12:25:27 liek for mp3, metalayer crawler will be using libmtext_mp3 library ? Dec 05 12:25:38 I don't know what those actually are Dec 05 12:26:28 So, i think all the things are done by metalayer crawler, Dec 05 12:32:05 Jaffa: you about still? Dec 05 12:32:12 Ok i have found that, its all the responsiblility of metalayer crawler Dec 05 12:32:30 but what about file manager? what it uses to extract the meta information of files Dec 05 12:32:43 I'm not sure it does.... Dec 05 12:32:50 yeah, I don't think it does Dec 05 12:34:27 well actualy it doesnt extract the meta information i think so. just getting the mime type from /usr/share/mime folder to identify the file its access date etc Dec 05 12:35:50 gnomevfs does the mimetype fetching for it, I guess Dec 05 12:35:57 (not sure how gnomevfs digs it up) Dec 05 12:37:30 but if you have notice nautilus file manager, it extracts the file, its size, position, access date, attributes every thing in an xml file under $HOME/.nautilus/ *.xml file Dec 05 12:37:54 so i dont know the File Manager is doing the same, but have to see where it stores this metadata of file, Dec 05 12:38:51 I doubt FM caches any data Dec 05 12:39:42 and i have seen the .meta_storage, the metalayer crawler is also not storing any thing there, any idea? Dec 05 12:41:34 So is it like Gstreamer, who extracts the metadata and stores them in memory and shows it to the user and clear the memory Dec 05 12:41:37 ? Dec 05 12:42:01 any idea about metalayer crawler or FM that where it stores the metadata information? :) Dec 05 12:49:01 metalayer crawler is the one who creates the ~/.meta_storage. Dec 05 12:57:01 FM radio settings are in Gconf iirc Dec 05 12:59:34 hola Dec 05 13:27:24 "I want an implanted device connected in a mesh-network with fellow Nokians so we will be like the Borg. I hope Nokia reads this." Dec 05 13:27:27 talk about fanboys.. Dec 05 13:27:48 lol Dec 05 13:28:07 but using tablets and mesh network, could actually be interesting.. Dec 05 13:30:53 and mesh networking does pose interesting possibilities for hidden activities.. Dec 05 13:30:59 :P Dec 05 13:31:05 OLPC is your next target, eh? Dec 05 13:31:14 :P Dec 05 13:31:20 w00t: actually there's a patch for the tablet for mesh, i believe Dec 05 13:33:00 Atleast nokia's ICD is saner than NM so that it doesn't kill all tcp connections when I move from one end of the house to the other (2 APs) Dec 05 13:34:45 it actually does roaming? Dec 05 13:38:43 eh I dunno, but if you stick both APs into the Connectivity Settings and set the same static IP on both, it just works(TM) Dec 05 13:39:22 * RST38h just wants a StarTrek datapad Dec 05 13:39:46 RST38h, you can't. People will whine that they don't fit in their pockets. Nevermind that startrek people don't have pockets Dec 05 13:40:11 Shadow: StarTrek designrs took care of that by using several differently sized pads Dec 05 13:41:03 Ironically it is not that much to ask nowadays... Dec 05 13:41:44 Asus had this monstrous 12 page ad in a magazine, and there was something that looked like a big tablet.. Dec 05 13:42:09 Asus has no big tablets. Never will, as they have crappy designers. Dec 05 13:42:34 kinda hard to judge as there was no size reference next to the picture.. Dec 05 13:42:50 Well you don't even need designers Dec 05 13:42:55 Apple does fine without them Dec 05 13:43:04 You just pay Sony to do it :-) Dec 05 13:49:38 Apple designs its own gadgets Dec 05 13:50:10 Actually, their head designer started with toilet bowls ;) Dec 05 14:38:17 hi. i have os2008 on n800. it has been working great, but recently my video playback (media player) is green with a fuzzy display. almost like when video is digitally scrambled. yet if i open a menu in the media player or a system menu during the playback then the image is perfect, as i would expect. any ideas as to why this is happening and suggestions on how to fix it (outside of reinstall all)/ Dec 05 14:39:15 happens only with some exact files, or all of them? Dec 05 14:39:23 all Dec 05 14:39:29 have you rebooted? Dec 05 14:39:31 even the one from Nokia Dec 05 14:39:47 lardman: hehe.. "have you tried turning it off and on" Dec 05 14:39:47 :P Dec 05 14:39:52 yes. i am guessing something i installed must have conflicted with it? Dec 05 14:41:13 Stskeeps: one must ask ;) Dec 05 14:41:28 i rebooted Dec 05 14:41:28 yes Dec 05 14:41:29 hydester: just strange that it goes away when you open a menu Dec 05 14:41:42 yeah Dec 05 14:41:49 i'm pondering shift in color depth.. or something Dec 05 14:41:50 when bad, the image is smaller than the media player view port Dec 05 14:42:01 with wide green border on the bottom and right Dec 05 14:42:26 i agree with the color depth Dec 05 14:42:28 sounds resonable. Dec 05 14:42:35 i wish i could reinstall media player Dec 05 14:42:47 but it isn't on the app list because it is a system app? Dec 05 14:42:47 you can always reflash :P Dec 05 14:43:04 how reliable is the backup app? Dec 05 14:44:07 i mean, what will i lose if i reflash? the installed apps and internal memory (not mmc1 or mmc2) Dec 05 14:44:22 yeah, basically Dec 05 14:44:36 and settings obviously Dec 05 14:44:45 right, but backup/restore should fix that? Dec 05 14:44:58 yeah, it did for me when i upgraded chinook->diablo Dec 05 14:45:04 ~lart Google Maps for being really slow Dec 05 14:45:04 * infobot raises middle finger to Google Maps for being really slow Dec 05 14:45:15 * Stskeeps has waited two hours for a debootstrap Dec 05 14:45:22 (+ apt-get install) Dec 05 14:45:24 lardman, you use try maemo mapper? Dec 05 14:46:18 on WinXP Pc ;) Dec 05 14:46:20 but yes Dec 05 14:46:37 so if i backup, reflash, and restore.... wouldn't that theoretically put be back in the same state i am in? i.e. re-break the video? Dec 05 14:46:54 hydester: well it wouldn't keep the apps if you don't ask it to Dec 05 14:47:01 (afaik) Dec 05 14:47:40 perhaps i can reinstall media player via red pill Dec 05 14:47:48 feels very microsoftish to reinstall Dec 05 14:48:06 well. technically you can probably apt-get install --reinstall Dec 05 14:48:13 ph Dec 05 14:48:14 oh Dec 05 14:48:19 hydester: that won't do anything, more likely a GStreamer element Dec 05 14:48:38 lardman, what you mean not do anything? Dec 05 14:48:48 re-installing the player gui won't do anyting Dec 05 14:49:11 so can reinstall gstreamer library? Dec 05 14:49:25 you said the video was small when playing up, sounds like pixel doubling going wrong; does the player use that anyone? Dec 05 14:50:53 osso-mediaengine Dec 05 14:50:58 i guess that Dec 05 14:59:10 on another note, anybody use google reader for rss and know of a os2008 app to read offline/sync? Dec 05 15:00:05 I wonder if you could try playing the video from the command line using the playbin command, might give you some output of interest Dec 05 15:00:07 not sure really Dec 05 15:00:15 and got to go do some work now too :) Dec 05 15:00:26 ok, thanks Dec 05 15:00:45 trying simple restore to old backup to see if it is a setting that got munged Dec 05 15:00:47 you'll need to install playbin from the repo - in one of the gstreamer packages, do a Google, etc. Dec 05 15:00:51 ok Dec 05 15:00:59 ok, will try playbin next Dec 05 15:01:04 good luck, please do comment if you find anything and I'll have a look later on Dec 05 15:34:52 the reflash fixed the media player problem. but this may be a newer version of diablo, i am not sure. reinstalling apps now. although it appears the files in my home directory weren't restored. grrr Dec 05 15:36:13 lo qwerty12 Dec 05 15:36:19 hi Stskeeps Dec 05 15:37:58 * Stskeeps tries to boot mer. Dec 05 15:38:42 Stskeeps, btw, debian's bzr is newer :P Dec 05 15:38:52 k Dec 05 15:39:25 we use bzr extensively so :P Dec 05 15:39:35 * qwerty12 hopes mldonkey compiles meanwhile. I need my gnutella fix on the go :P Dec 05 15:39:58 hehe Dec 05 15:44:23 Stskeeps: how is the mer-installer going? Dec 05 15:44:57 Meiz_n810: forward, didn't boot at first - logo is ok but i was thinking more in the direction of something dealing with an ocean Dec 05 15:45:17 ookay Dec 05 15:45:35 I think that logo is kinda "messy" Dec 05 15:48:30 i suspect timsamoff might be able to be pulled into making one, but we'll see if we at all can get this ship going :P Dec 05 15:48:51 Stskeeps, do you prefer py files with your pyc files? Dec 05 15:49:10 :) Dec 05 15:49:14 not needed, but they're always good to have :P Dec 05 15:49:17 Stskeeps, 'cos so far, bzrlib = 17 MB Dec 05 15:49:21 neat Dec 05 15:49:21 :P Dec 05 15:49:39 I'll delete the py files :P Dec 05 15:51:39 Stskeeps: what kernel version are you using out of interest? Dec 05 15:51:50 lardman: right now, any there is Dec 05 15:52:04 same as Diablo in other words? Dec 05 15:52:07 yeah Dec 05 15:52:11 (for now) Dec 05 15:52:16 solca has some interesting activities going on Dec 05 15:52:25 yeah I saw :) Dec 05 15:54:00 Meiz_n810: i'll have install_mr committed in a couple of seconds Dec 05 15:54:12 okay Dec 05 15:54:20 (the old installer) Dec 05 15:54:32 then i'll start making on a more generic shell script imager Dec 05 15:56:32 Meiz_n810: svn checkout http://trac.tspre.org/svn/m-r/trunk/installer Dec 05 15:56:46 k Dec 05 15:56:59 you need the debootstrap from ubuntu and as usual the deblet installer installed and tried to run once, to get md5sum Dec 05 15:57:30 wb Dec 05 15:57:33 you need the debootstrap from ubuntu and as usual the deblet installer installed and tried to run once, to get md5sum :P Dec 05 15:57:48 * Stskeeps wishes someone would make a md5sum package. Dec 05 16:00:14 I don't have deblet installer right now, but all tools needed to install mer. BTW i will download md5sum from the link you have in deblet770wiki Dec 05 16:00:26 ah Dec 05 16:00:27 alright Dec 05 16:00:34 i forgot i had a link for that Dec 05 16:01:08 that works too Dec 05 16:01:08 :P Dec 05 16:04:29 * Stskeeps grabs a beer Dec 05 16:04:59 Stskeeps, what package provides the python tty module? Dec 05 16:05:05 er. Dec 05 16:05:13 i'll be fucked if I know :) Dec 05 16:05:16 Is subversion available in extras? Dec 05 16:05:21 it should be part of python Dec 05 16:05:24 Meiz_n810, yer, I uploaded Dec 05 16:05:25 it Dec 05 16:05:27 k Dec 05 16:05:57 Stskeeps, hrm, on the computer then but certainly not for pymaemo Dec 05 16:06:03 lovely Dec 05 16:07:22 ffs, it's part of the main python package. I don't have time to reinvent the wheel Dec 05 16:07:40 hehe, it's fine, just another point something is horridly wrong in the land of maemo Dec 05 16:07:44 :P Dec 05 16:11:52 Stskeeps, k, install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/bzr_1.10~rc1-1_armel.modfied.deb and place http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/tty.py in /usr/lib/python2.5 . Testing = me seeing if it runs :P Dec 05 16:12:44 ta Dec 05 16:12:47 i'll see if it breaks ;) Dec 05 16:13:07 well, "bzr log" : "bzr: ERROR: No module named getpass" Dec 05 16:13:13 getpass sounds important... Dec 05 16:14:40 Stskeeps, ...which means you want this too in ....../python-2.5 : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/getpass.py Dec 05 16:14:45 k Dec 05 16:14:48 thanks Dec 05 16:14:52 i owe you .. quite a couple Dec 05 16:14:52 :P Dec 05 16:14:58 :D Dec 05 16:15:51 * Meiz_n810 is installing mer with the installer... Dec 05 16:16:29 home! Dec 05 16:16:31 bbl Dec 05 16:16:42 qwerty12: .. i have no idea why, but it seems to try to execute the .py file Dec 05 16:16:45 on your http Dec 05 16:16:53 shitfuck, lol >.< Dec 05 16:17:25 haha, it did that too when I uploaded my router's web pages for testing Dec 05 16:17:28 I'll tar them up Dec 05 16:18:37 Stskeeps, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/bzr/libz.tar.gz Dec 05 16:19:38 <`Mace> hi Dec 05 16:19:45 lo mace Dec 05 16:19:53 <`Mace> hey Stskeeps .. still waiting on the sdk? Dec 05 16:20:11 `Mace: sortof. we're going about things slowly Dec 05 16:20:17 right now it's weekend. Dec 05 16:20:28 <`Mace> heh. not yet. still friday ;) Dec 05 16:20:40 <`Mace> well... at least here it is Dec 05 16:20:45 `Mace, some could argue that the weekend starts there :P Dec 05 16:21:17 qwerty12: seems to work so far :) Dec 05 16:22:13 Stskeeps, cool :). may I suggest trying it on a little branch so if in the case of it being dodgy, it doesn't effectively rm -rf your entire work :) Dec 05 16:22:42 qwerty12: it's a version control system, so damage is hard to accompolish :> Dec 05 16:22:53 hehe, good :D Dec 05 16:25:25 <`Mace> do e7400s have virtual machine instructions? Dec 05 16:25:33 which? :P Dec 05 16:25:49 <`Mace> i know certain intels are supposed to have virtualization instructions Dec 05 16:25:52 <`Mace> core2duo Dec 05 16:29:27 some c2ds... and it requires mainboard support Dec 05 16:29:31 use the wiki Dec 05 16:41:36 <`Mace> kinda sucks that ups doesn't deliver on saturdays anymore Dec 05 16:46:48 re Dec 05 16:49:35 wb Dec 05 16:49:54 ty Dec 05 16:50:20 ello lardman Dec 05 16:50:29 hey qwerty12 Dec 05 16:50:40 weekend at last :-) Dec 05 16:50:46 indeed :) Dec 05 16:53:22 and the question, what to do? :) Dec 05 16:54:42 I need rest :). Too much of me using the tablet and watching a good quality version of the dark knight y.day night :) Dec 05 16:54:55 * qwerty12 puts away his geek cap Dec 05 16:55:00 hmm, I've not seen that yet Dec 05 16:57:16 * Stskeeps ponders how the hell a ladybird has managed to survive in his apartment. Dec 05 16:57:24 I liked it. According to the BBC, they want to re-release it in US cinemas again. Dec 05 16:57:35 Stskeeps, on your love. YOUR LOVE!!! Dec 05 16:57:51 Stskeeps: aphid infestation? Dec 05 16:58:24 lardman: .. i think the plants here are dead Dec 05 16:58:33 random ot question, I've got 3 monitors, but when I first boot Linux only one is available, if I restart the X server all 3 work, and ideas? Dec 05 16:58:42 Stskeeps: very hardy aphids then! Dec 05 16:58:48 int10 stuff? :P Dec 05 16:59:02 lardman, give me 2 monitors and your problem will be gone :P Dec 05 16:59:09 qwerty12: lol Dec 05 16:59:10 for the record.. bug #1004.. after only 2 short years it might get fixed in the next release. now thats OSS at it's finest. :) Dec 05 16:59:38 Stskeeps: dunno, why would that do anything? Dec 05 17:00:15 (and its a whole 2 lines or so of patch :/ ..) Dec 05 17:00:29 lardman: .. i've had weird issues with multiple gfx cards and xorg Dec 05 17:01:05 I used to just ctrl-alt-del the login screen, but my computer was too sharp and started thinking it was crashing Dec 05 17:11:55 lardman, re bug #987, all you need to do is: sed -i s/'gtk-keynav-wrap-around = 0'/'gtk-keynav-wrap-around = 1'/ /usr/share//gtk-2.0/gtkrc Dec 05 17:12:10 ah, good stuff :) Dec 05 17:13:31 seems to be working with the hildon desktop & help program :) Dec 05 17:13:36 or just /'@@$ffs-yy*()))"""\'\\'''\\\\ = WTF%%12345-6-7-8-9=+-%qq==cqcq Dec 05 17:14:06 at least finish the statement, all I get from bash is ">" :( Dec 05 17:14:15 lol Dec 05 17:14:35 added an "'" and "-bash: /@@$ffs-yy*()))"""\\\\\\ = WTF%%12345-6-7-8-9=+-%qq==cqcq: No such file or directory" :P Dec 05 17:27:59 hmm, /me can't seem to find the jpeg decoder dsp pdfs Dec 05 17:33:26 * Stskeeps is having beer and making a image builder. Dec 05 17:34:24 hmm, lots of source in the jpeg tarball Dec 05 17:34:38 hi pH5 Dec 05 17:34:58 Hi Stskeeps! Dec 05 17:35:11 hej lardman Dec 05 17:35:12 ah, solca, the kernel man :) Dec 05 17:35:14 and Hi everybody Dec 05 17:35:19 hi lardman Dec 05 17:35:30 lo solca Dec 05 17:35:47 solca: good work Dec 05 17:35:55 solca: so how well does the newest kernel work? i mean, everything works including stlc45xx, or? Dec 05 17:36:03 Stskeeps: yea Dec 05 17:36:16 if you want to give it a try Dec 05 17:36:21 it is here: Dec 05 17:36:28 ttp://guug.org/nit/android/zImage-2.6.28-rc6-omap_android Dec 05 17:36:41 oops sorry: http://guug.org/nit/android/zImage-2.6.28-rc6-omap_android Dec 05 17:36:45 i might eventually Dec 05 17:37:04 solca: do you have a patch-set for that kernel? Dec 05 17:37:15 Meiz_n810 is helping me testing it Dec 05 17:37:25 lardman: sure Dec 05 17:37:36 give me a minute and I'll upload it Dec 05 17:37:41 thanks :) Dec 05 17:38:03 solca, hi, do you have an N800 or an N810? Dec 05 17:38:26 in the mean time I put this page for the kexec thingy: http://guug.org/nit/kexec/ Dec 05 17:38:33 Mer installer running... Dec 05 17:38:37 qwerty12: N810 Dec 05 17:38:41 have to wait a bit Dec 05 17:39:21 solca, ah :/. I was hoping you had an N800 so that the touchscreen worked in android on N800. I did a dodgy port and the kernel didn't boot (nthcode's stuff). Thanks for all your work here, looks great! Dec 05 17:39:48 solca: brilliant :) Dec 05 17:39:57 qwerty12: what's the difference between the touchscreens? Dec 05 17:40:03 Stskeeps: thx! Dec 05 17:40:34 solca: we can possibly put initrd inside the kernel i guess? Dec 05 17:41:12 Stskeeps: the 2.6 kernel ships with initrd and initramfs Dec 05 17:41:17 k Dec 05 17:41:24 Stskeeps: I guess initramfs is what we are looking for Dec 05 17:41:32 solca, N800 uses a tsc2301 and N810 uses an tsc2005. Driver wise, the two drivers are very similar but when I correctly applied the touchscreen modifications to tsc2301_ts.c, I was left with a kernel that didn't boot Dec 05 17:41:33 as it embedds in the zImage Dec 05 17:41:42 yeah Dec 05 17:41:54 hmm. was it possible to edit the kernel boot parameters? Dec 05 17:42:09 in CAL Dec 05 17:42:36 qwerty12: maybe you can check the modification I did to the tsc2005 and port it Dec 05 17:43:06 solca, cool, will do, but I don't want to erase my only remaining sd again :( Dec 05 17:43:08 qwerty12: I must say are minimal modifications, much minimal than the patch at Linux_on_omap site Dec 05 17:43:19 Stskeeps: witk kexec? Dec 05 17:43:43 Stskeeps: if so, yes, you can arbitrarily pass kernel parameters Dec 05 17:43:43 solca: well, i was thinking about how we can make a menu.lst type of thing without having to reflash the entire thing :P Dec 05 17:43:46 k Dec 05 17:44:28 Stskeeps: I was thinking that it scans all partitions for something like /etc/boot.conf or something Dec 05 17:44:35 maybe Dec 05 17:44:45 that would possibly be costly though Dec 05 17:44:53 time-wise Dec 05 17:44:53 yea Dec 05 17:45:22 which was one reason why i had one in initfs Dec 05 17:46:19 the good thing about scanning is that you don't need to put menu.lst on a static y authoritative place Dec 05 17:46:23 yeah Dec 05 17:46:27 so it is much flexible Dec 05 17:46:33 but if it adds 20-60 to boot time Dec 05 17:46:33 :P Dec 05 17:46:43 and we have to guess which fs type it is.. Dec 05 17:46:59 solca: i'll first try nth:s with your kernel. Dec 05 17:47:22 hmm I thought it will take just some seconds asynchoronously Dec 05 17:47:28 tried mounting jffs2 yet? Dec 05 17:47:36 lemme drag out a bootchart.. Dec 05 17:47:53 Stskeeps: yea, initfs mounts in less than a second Dec 05 17:48:02 cos it's small :P Dec 05 17:48:06 Meiz_n810: ok let me know so then you can test my android userspace Dec 05 17:48:18 solca: so maybe having a minimal conf partition isn't a directly bad thing Dec 05 17:48:28 with the kexec binary on it too Dec 05 17:48:43 Stskeeps: where and what size? Dec 05 17:48:45 solca: your u-space is 1.0 (the newer one) Dec 05 17:48:46 ? Dec 05 17:48:52 because that can solve a lot of things Dec 05 17:48:57 solca: i guess where we have our initfs already :P Dec 05 17:49:07 Meiz_n810: is 1.0 + devel stuff (android git) Dec 05 17:49:14 k Dec 05 17:49:43 Stskeeps: the things is that in initfs is where most of the proprietary stuff resides Dec 05 17:49:48 maybe not erase it Dec 05 17:49:53 but just add things Dec 05 17:49:54 solca: yeah, but we can always amend Dec 05 17:50:36 Stskeeps: but mmc and sd scanning is much faster, right? Dec 05 17:50:49 than mounting initfs? doubt it Dec 05 17:51:22 Stskeeps: yea you have convinced me, just mounting initfs read/only is very fast Dec 05 17:52:45 *nod* Dec 05 17:53:14 and then we have a configuration with the places to get kernels from, exec, etc Dec 05 17:54:05 Stskeeps: exactly Dec 05 17:54:50 better if it is something like boot.d/ so a distro installer just place it's file there Dec 05 17:54:55 yeah Dec 05 17:54:59 bootmenu.d :P Dec 05 17:55:17 Stskeeps: :) Dec 05 17:56:02 well, now without the constraints of space we can do neat things Dec 05 17:56:32 the kernel just needs to mount initfs and launch from there Dec 05 17:56:38 the ui Dec 05 17:56:48 kexec should be there too Dec 05 17:57:05 solca: nth android does not boot, only penguin at the top corner... Dec 05 17:57:18 then after a minute, it suffers Dec 05 17:57:36 Meizirkki: it reboots because nobody is handling the watchdog Dec 05 17:57:44 it does not reboot Dec 05 17:57:50 it just power off Dec 05 17:57:58 btw, what should i do now Dec 05 17:58:04 Meizirkki: and do you try the kernel with console output? Dec 05 17:58:14 no Dec 05 17:58:19 the "normal" Dec 05 17:58:31 Meizirkki: no, the one with console output Dec 05 17:58:34 i'll try the console-out next Dec 05 17:58:47 ok Dec 05 17:59:03 link? Dec 05 17:59:14 solca: qwerty12's the local initfs expert Dec 05 17:59:27 Stskeeps, meh, not really :) Dec 05 17:59:48 qwerty12 and Stskeeps: excellent! Dec 05 18:00:01 qwerty12: well we don't have fanoush in here, so you're next in line Dec 05 18:00:01 qwerty12: the initfs is based on ulibc? Dec 05 18:00:15 Stskeeps, hehe, true :) Dec 05 18:00:17 solca, yep Dec 05 18:00:18 /ulibc/uclibc/g Dec 05 18:00:35 solca, can you give me the link for your kernels? Dec 05 18:01:03 i was using irc from tablet minute ago Dec 05 18:01:18 Meizirkki: http://guug.org/nit/android/zImage-2.6.28-rc6-omap_android-console Dec 05 18:01:26 solca, we don't have a toolchain for the initfs so we have to use an generic toolchain for scratchbox that uses uclibc 0.9.28 (same version as the one in initfs but not the same if you get me) and compile binaries statically Dec 05 18:01:50 qwerty12: but we must link dinamically with the uclibc Dec 05 18:01:57 otherwise the bineries will be huge Dec 05 18:02:41 qwerty12: doesn't fanoush know? he seems to have made utelnetd Dec 05 18:02:56 solca, thankfully, a static compile with uclibc isn't that bad. an hello world example, unstripped, glibc: 400kb uclibc: 40kb. after stripping, uclibc makes it 12kb Dec 05 18:03:03 Stskeeps, he compiles statically too Dec 05 18:03:06 kk Dec 05 18:03:34 qwerty12: in that case is not a problem, I just statically compile the kexec and it was like 500KB Dec 05 18:03:58 it seems it use glibc instead of uclibc I presume :) Dec 05 18:05:00 solca, I use http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/stable/deb/scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.4-uclibc0.9.28_1.0.4_i386.deb for scratchbox 1 and set up a new target setting that as my toolchain Dec 05 18:05:20 solca, here are examples of binaries I've compiled: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/initfs/ Dec 05 18:05:34 !!!!! Dec 05 18:05:50 if both are the same versions why static? or are not fully compatible? Dec 05 18:06:10 Android will not boot if ext-card is inserted... Dec 05 18:06:18 did not know that Dec 05 18:06:21 solca, not compatible :(. I hoped it would be when I started but I always get symbol errors if I don't compile statically Dec 05 18:06:48 Well, it does not boot anyway... Dec 05 18:07:02 qwerty12: something to prod nokia about Dec 05 18:07:06 (uclibc) Dec 05 18:07:30 Stskeeps, fanoush opened a bug and the responses, to be frankly honest, have been shit Dec 05 18:07:32 Meizirkki: so what the console said? Dec 05 18:07:36 qwerty12: k Dec 05 18:07:38 solca: with your kernel, it shows me the messages and then the nth code splash comes up Dec 05 18:07:43 qwerty12: got one per chance? Dec 05 18:07:47 a # i mean Dec 05 18:08:08 Meizirkki: well time to try my userspace android Dec 05 18:08:16 when the ext card is inserted it will not even shoe the nthcode screen Dec 05 18:08:17 Stskeeps, #3373 Dec 05 18:08:23 solca: ok Dec 05 18:08:25 Stskeeps, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3373 Dec 05 18:08:27 Meizirkki: it's uploading now... Dec 05 18:08:46 Meizirkki: that behavior is weird, with the nth kernel the same thing? Dec 05 18:09:04 qwerty12: ta Dec 05 18:09:22 solca: my bsod might have been about that card... Dec 05 18:09:30 qwerty12: maybe we can create out own toolchain based on openwrt targetting exactly the same version Dec 05 18:09:40 s/out/our/g Dec 05 18:09:41 solca meant: qwerty12: maybe we can create our own toolchain based on openwrt targetting exactly the same version Dec 05 18:10:04 Meizirkki: probably it is damaged? Dec 05 18:10:14 qwerty12: he basically says it's cross-compiled without sb Dec 05 18:10:18 solca, I hope so :). I tried last time but failed dismally due to not having much experience with toolchains & uclibc making Dec 05 18:10:22 solca: it have always been a bit weird... Dec 05 18:10:32 maybe corrupted... Dec 05 18:10:37 Stskeeps, bullshit. I've seen a lot of scratchbox strings in the binaries Dec 05 18:10:43 qwerty12: hmm, ok Dec 05 18:10:57 qwerty12: prod council people to drag a bit at getting a resolution to this? Dec 05 18:11:31 is uclibc gpl? Dec 05 18:11:48 Stskeeps, I dunno what they can do, a bug was failed and that is the best we get... Dec 05 18:11:53 mm Dec 05 18:11:58 qwerty12: I was like a month ago porting n8x0 support for openwrt, I build successfully a toolchaing based on uclibc Dec 05 18:12:14 Stskeeps, lgpl Dec 05 18:12:19 solca, great! Dec 05 18:12:20 qwerty12: if you give me the exact version I can try targetting that Dec 05 18:12:35 solca, hrm, i'll try and figure it out Dec 05 18:12:58 qwerty12: good! Dec 05 18:14:00 solca: weird, nth-splash never comes up with your "normal" kernel (the one that does not show the boot msgs) Dec 05 18:14:29 with console kernel nth splash is shown Dec 05 18:15:02 Meizirkki: both kernel are the same just that the one with the console have an extra kernel parameter: console=tty0 Dec 05 18:15:38 they still behave differently... Dec 05 18:15:45 i'll try again Dec 05 18:16:29 Meizirkki: ok, i'll let you know when the android stuff finish landing in the webserver Dec 05 18:16:33 no, something is wrong with filesystem.. Dec 05 18:16:47 solca: ok Dec 05 18:17:07 Meizirkki: what is wrong? Dec 05 18:18:13 i have android rootfs in both mmcblk0p1 and 0p3, now any kernel i have tried will show me nth splash (even the nth kernel) Dec 05 18:18:48 okay, the nth one shows.. Dec 05 18:19:32 qwerty12: do you know if the same kernel can target N770, N800, N810? Dec 05 18:20:29 solca, for N800 and N810, you should be able to. for N770, most probably not Dec 05 18:21:13 qwerty12: ok Dec 05 18:21:20 qwerty12: do you have both n800 and n810? Dec 05 18:21:31 solca, no, just an N800 :) Dec 05 18:21:49 ok, at least we can test on this devices Dec 05 18:22:17 solca: you were talking about watchdog? Dec 05 18:22:38 your kernel shows me the bootmsgs and nth splash Dec 05 18:22:49 but not android splash or android Dec 05 18:22:49 Meizirkki: so? Dec 05 18:22:57 it power offs Dec 05 18:23:08 can it be about watchdog? Dec 05 18:23:40 Meizirkki: my userspace honours the watchdogs so the machine will not reboot Dec 05 18:23:49 Meizirkki: other thing is that my kernels boots to /init Dec 05 18:23:59 ok Dec 05 18:24:21 Meizirkki: and it can be that nth runs another script first before /init, maybe /linuxrc or something Dec 05 18:24:53 there is init.rc on nths rootfs Dec 05 18:25:17 i give up with nth:s rootfs... Dec 05 18:25:26 it only works with their kernel... Dec 05 18:26:42 solca, I'm pretty sure that the uclibc version is just 0.9.28. I've grepped and ran strings on all the libs and binaries and all I get back is 0.9.28. uclibc is compiled with gcc 3.4.4 which is part of the 2005q3-2 codesourcery toolchain Dec 05 18:35:53 qwerty12: openwrt have gcc 3.4.6 Dec 05 18:36:02 but not 3.4.4 Dec 05 18:36:34 solca, I don't know then, gcc 3.4.4 is the default for the diablo sdk too :) Dec 05 18:37:35 so we can pick the same compiler but we don't have the uclibc they use? Dec 05 18:37:49 yep Dec 05 18:39:06 Meizirkki: finally it is uploaded Dec 05 18:39:12 it wights 32MB Dec 05 18:39:20 weights Dec 05 18:40:04 http://guug.org/nit/android/rootfs-android_git20081205.tar.bz2 Dec 05 18:42:34 qwerty12: I can't find codesourcery's 2005q3-2 Dec 05 18:42:54 most near is 2005Q1B Dec 05 18:42:59 build your own cross Dec 05 18:43:02 solca: thanks Dec 05 18:43:05 there are even newer Dec 05 18:43:18 like, 2007 codesourcery Dec 05 18:43:20 solca, http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/releases/2005q3-2 Dec 05 18:43:48 Will there soon be ability to dualboot maemo/android? Dec 05 18:43:56 AStorm: we want to target the exact same versions used in the initfs Dec 05 18:44:01 qwerty12: thx! Dec 05 18:44:03 AStorm, we need to maintain compatibility. and nokia have deemed it so that they used the 2005q3-2 toolchain Dec 05 18:44:09 solca, :) Dec 05 18:44:22 ;) Dec 05 18:44:37 Meizirkki: yes, that is the idea, have a nice bootselector Dec 05 18:44:58 great :) Dec 05 18:46:24 qwerty12, uhm? Dec 05 18:46:29 it's standard eabi Dec 05 18:46:44 it will work with any version (excluding possible bugs) Dec 05 18:47:09 AStorm: eabi was introduced on gcc 4.1 Dec 05 18:47:22 AStorm: prior to that it depends Dec 05 18:47:28 AStorm, maybe so. but the point of this toolchain is to replicate the one nokia don't seem to be giving out as closely as possible. Dec 05 18:47:33 ... arm gnueabi :) Dec 05 18:47:45 2005q3 does it Dec 05 18:48:16 as does any other new gcc :) Dec 05 18:48:25 why do you care so much for them? Dec 05 18:48:50 they should be able to compile code for newer gcc too Dec 05 18:49:02 it works worse the other way around Dec 05 18:49:24 AStorm: not really, the best for many people is gcc-3.4.6 Dec 05 18:49:37 for me 4.2 is good but 4.3 sucks Dec 05 18:49:37 hmm Dec 05 18:50:44 Meizirkki: remember to put the android stuff in mmcblock0p3 in ext3fs Dec 05 18:55:09 solca: yep Dec 05 18:55:34 solca, isn't ext3 not the best fs for mmc? Dec 05 18:56:30 better than ext2 fucking up Dec 05 18:56:53 yeah, scanning takes a while Dec 05 18:57:03 but reiserfs should fare better Dec 05 18:57:35 (tree distributes data more equally over space) Dec 05 18:57:38 anyone know where I can find libqt3-mt? Dec 05 18:58:01 solca: stucks to the penguin in top cortner... Dec 05 18:59:13 qt3? no idea Dec 05 19:00:56 solca: with serial-console kernel, i get into android boot screen after waiting a bit, and then there is only screen with some horizontal lines on it, then it poweroffs Dec 05 19:01:41 !!! Dec 05 19:01:45 works now! Dec 05 19:02:27 WTF? Dec 05 19:03:08 i get into main screen, then after laggigng it shows me android splash and gets me back to the main Dec 05 19:03:33 X-Fade, I'm gonna harass integration about getting a real address. . . . Dec 05 19:03:44 evening GA Dec 05 19:03:50 Hi, Stskeeps. Dec 05 19:03:56 solca: unable to start Wi-Fi Dec 05 19:05:05 Meizirkki: hmm Dec 05 19:06:11 driver loads at boot Dec 05 19:06:13 Meizirkki: does it works for you? Dec 05 19:06:32 which kernel are you using? Dec 05 19:06:40 which driver? new open one? Dec 05 19:07:03 Android works even better than the nth one but i still get "unable to start wifi" your kernel with serial console Dec 05 19:07:28 ? Dec 05 19:07:33 it booted suddenly Dec 05 19:07:57 Stskeeps, you have the link handy for that internal card partitioning? Dec 05 19:08:00 should i try the kernel with no serial-console Dec 05 19:08:00 sec Dec 05 19:08:31 Meizirkki: yea I have running like from 3 hours ago android with wifi Dec 05 19:08:33 GeneralAntilles: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ke-recv/src/fremantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh Dec 05 19:08:42 Thanks Dec 05 19:08:43 Meizirkki: yea try the one without console Dec 05 19:08:47 k Dec 05 19:09:00 AStorm: yea the open source one Dec 05 19:09:43 Meizirkki: Android Debugger Bridge (ADB) works too and it is enabled Dec 05 19:09:50 Meizirkki: so you can get into Dec 05 19:09:59 mm. soup is good in winter. Dec 05 19:10:31 soup.io is good all the time. Dec 05 19:12:51 solca: android never comes up with the normal kernel (no boot msgs) :( Dec 05 19:13:45 Meizirkki: hmm I have a feeling that you need to --set-rd-flags=serial-console Dec 05 19:14:03 solca: with nokias flasher? Dec 05 19:14:14 Meizirkki: for some reason that I have the same problem when this flag is not set Dec 05 19:14:29 Stskeeps, qwerty12_N800, I bugged pancake the other day about Nokia opening the flasher. Dec 05 19:14:30 Meizirkki: yea with flasher-3.0 Dec 05 19:15:34 !!! Dec 05 19:15:39 it boots :) Dec 05 19:15:54 GeneralAntilles, cool, thanks. I'd love to see more improvments to 0xFFFF Dec 05 19:16:02 Meizirkki: good! lets see if everything else works for you Dec 05 19:16:23 Meizirkki: the wifi driver is loaded at early boot Dec 05 19:16:35 still unable to start wifi :( Dec 05 19:16:50 Meizirkki: get into with adb Dec 05 19:17:10 Meizirkki: download it from here: http://guug.org/nit/android/adb Dec 05 19:19:45 is it just me or is downloading from penguinbait's site slow Dec 05 19:20:12 it is dead slow Dec 05 19:20:37 what is he hosting it on his home computer? Dec 05 19:21:20 i think he's running it on a 770 qemu on the former maemo.org 770 cluster Dec 05 19:23:22 do you need a powered up for a full size sd reader? Anyone know? Dec 05 19:23:40 s/up/hub/ ? Dec 05 19:23:45 If so, usually. Dec 05 19:23:45 solca: how can i get the wifi info Dec 05 19:24:44 Meiz_5500: ifconfig -a Dec 05 19:24:55 Meiz_5500: /nit/bin/ifconfig -a Dec 05 19:25:09 Meiz_5500: do you get in with ADB? Dec 05 19:25:32 Abd? Dec 05 19:26:03 Meiz_5500: Android Debugger Bridge (or something like that :) Dec 05 19:26:16 Meiz_5500: get it from here: http://guug.org/nit/android/adb Dec 05 19:26:22 Meiz_5500: is a binary for x86 Dec 05 19:26:35 Meiz_5500: run it with: ./adb shell Dec 05 19:26:54 Meiz_5500: and it will give you a shell inside the Android OS on you NIT Dec 05 19:27:26 i can no more use computer, have to go to sleep... Dec 05 19:27:34 i am 14 Dec 05 19:27:44 :) Dec 05 19:28:09 Meiz_5500: ok, if you find any problems please tell me so I can fix it Dec 05 19:28:20 Meiz_5500, 16 and i have to get off mine 2 hours before you :P Dec 05 19:29:31 where do you live? Dec 05 19:29:42 London, UK :) Dec 05 19:30:43 i live in finland Dec 05 19:31:05 21.30 here :P Dec 05 19:31:27 13:31 here :) Dec 05 19:32:12 hehe, cool :). 7:31 pm here (yes, I <3 12-hour, don't hate me :P) Dec 05 19:33:43 solca: n810 keyboard seems to not work in androids built in terminal emulator :( Dec 05 19:34:29 "5500"? :P Dec 05 19:34:33 Qwerty12_N800: not gonna hate you :P Dec 05 19:34:49 Meiz_5500, *grin* :D Dec 05 19:35:09 Meiz_5500: it seems I put a wrong keymap Dec 05 19:35:18 will fix it Dec 05 19:35:32 Meiz_5500: do you have any stability issues? Dec 05 19:35:56 Meiz_5500: and what about speed? Dec 05 19:36:30 Solca: no stability probr this fap Dec 05 19:37:25 Speed is good, better than with nths Dec 05 19:37:42 Meiz_5500: how much better? Dec 05 19:38:43 Meiz_5500: so your only problems are that wifi is not working for you and my bad about the keymap layout? Dec 05 19:38:54 i haven't used the nth one a lot... It was crashy Dec 05 19:40:02 Meiz_5500: oh and do you enable wifi in the settings screen? Dec 05 19:40:11 Wait a bit... Dec 05 19:40:19 stlc45xx-cal? Dec 05 19:41:02 solca: notepad does not even start Dec 05 19:41:54 Meiz_5500: it starts for me but if I press any key it exits Dec 05 19:41:55 solca: hw keyboard does not work Dec 05 19:42:18 Meiz_5500: yea was a bad keymap layout I'm figuring right now Dec 05 19:42:31 Stskeeps: what about stlc45xx-cal? Dec 05 19:42:51 is it runned? :P Dec 05 19:43:35 * solca solca's english doesn't understand what runned means :( Dec 05 19:43:57 solca: just crashed weird way Dec 05 19:43:59 .. apologies, is it run on boot? :P Dec 05 19:44:12 slowly faded away Dec 05 19:44:45 Meiz_5500: I would need that you get into the NIT and get at least a dmesg Dec 05 19:44:51 Stskeeps: yes it runs on boot Dec 05 19:45:05 after there are 2 more interfaces Dec 05 19:45:38 wlan0 and wmaster0 Dec 05 19:46:47 Meiz_5500: maybe after I fix the keyboard thing you can use the terminal Dec 05 19:47:22 Meiz_5500: ohh and I need to figure out why just with rd-flag=serial-console works Dec 05 19:47:41 maybe because the kernel have a parameter console=ttyS1 Dec 05 19:48:38 solca: i have wpa security... Does that matter? Dec 05 19:49:16 Meiz_5500: yes it matters, in that case android have to setup wpa_supplicant but I have not tested Dec 05 19:49:25 that yet, just plain open wifi Dec 05 19:49:37 Ok Dec 05 19:49:48 Meiz_5500: so it actually sees the wifi networks? Dec 05 19:50:12 Not yet Dec 05 19:50:41 but solca said he got it working Dec 05 19:51:45 Shit Dec 05 19:51:51 Meiz_5500: yea, but I need to know if the module is loading in your end Dec 05 19:51:54 crashed again.. Dec 05 19:51:59 ok Dec 05 19:52:17 Meiz_5500: how it crashed? Dec 05 19:52:30 Meiz_5500: can you trigger it? Dec 05 19:52:58 The main screen slowly faded away Dec 05 19:53:19 hmm like a screensaver? Dec 05 19:53:46 Not screensaver.. Dec 05 19:54:49 Now there is only hortizontal lines on the screen Dec 05 19:55:06 Meiz_5500: can you trigger it or is random? Dec 05 19:56:15 Meiz_5500: can you load the console output kernel and check if some lines with stlc45xx show up in the screen Dec 05 19:56:49 that way we can figure out if the wifi module is loading Dec 05 19:58:59 Hmmm...Looks like both 5800 and N97 are based on OMAP2 Dec 05 20:01:06 interesting Dec 05 20:04:25 lardman|gone: pong Dec 05 20:04:50 Jaffa: not to worry, was wanting a CD translated from oo to m$ Dec 05 20:04:58 but found a pc with oo on it Dec 05 20:05:02 s/CD/CV Dec 05 20:08:09 lardman|afk: ah, cool. Dec 05 20:08:17 * Jaffa redownstairs for now then Dec 05 20:08:27 thanks Dec 05 20:10:56 how can i install man pages on my n800? Dec 05 20:10:58 bbl Dec 05 20:11:50 Solca: it have crashed now 3 times, but i have no idea why... Dec 05 20:12:18 and it loads the wifi driver at boot Dec 05 20:12:20 z4chh, just look at them on the website Dec 05 20:12:22 ~maemo-man Dec 05 20:12:23 i heard maemo-man is http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/ Dec 05 20:12:38 Meiz_5500: yea it crash for me too but it is very random Dec 05 20:13:01 Meiz_5500: the kernel with console crashes too? Dec 05 20:13:29 I have not tested yet Dec 05 20:13:36 GeneralAntilles, eww u Dec 05 20:13:43 i like cli man* ;p Dec 05 20:13:48 Meiz_5500: I can't figure what is going on here, maybe I'll compile a full debugging kernel Dec 05 20:15:48 z4chh, well, they're not exactly space-friendly. Dec 05 20:15:58 Do you really like CLI man more than an extra 20MB of flash? Dec 05 20:16:18 Solca: when i go to settings and click "start wifi" it says unable to start. When i click " airplane mode" it says unable to stop it. Weird. Dec 05 20:17:54 GeneralAntilles, yes :D Dec 05 20:20:30 Meiz_5500: ok, I'll fix the keyboard thing and ping you so we can find out was going in with the wifi Dec 05 20:20:47 Meiz_5500: BTW thanks for all your help!! Dec 05 20:21:31 Meiz_5500: hopefully the crash is not related with the wifi module Dec 05 20:21:55 I don't think so Dec 05 20:22:16 nth android crashed same way Dec 05 20:23:09 anyone experienced problems with 'pyversions not found' when creating debian packages of python apps? Dec 05 20:23:19 Meiz_5500: nth's crash exactly in the same way? (screen fading) Dec 05 20:23:31 GeneralAntilles: i tested my memcard and found i have 4mb/s for writing and 8mb/s for reading Dec 05 20:23:33 yes Dec 05 20:23:53 GeneralAntilles: is the n800 capable of using all that bandwidth ? Dec 05 20:23:56 solca: yes Dec 05 20:25:06 because im about to buy a new one, and class6 seems nice Dec 05 20:25:15 i dont know if is worth Dec 05 20:25:18 how do I get a list of files in all subdirectories without the subdirectory itself? Dec 05 20:25:32 ls -R dir Dec 05 20:25:48 that shows the subdirectory names Dec 05 20:25:52 I don't want that Dec 05 20:26:00 explainme again Dec 05 20:26:00 Meiz_5500: I mostly trigger it when moving the desktop with the finger Dec 05 20:26:42 Solca: now it faded to white! Dec 05 20:26:47 I have a directory that itself contains directories and files. I want a list of all the files without any directories Dec 05 20:27:00 even files IN those subdirectories Dec 05 20:27:43 so /example/ contains /example/test/, /example/test1.txt, /example/test/test2.txt Dec 05 20:28:09 I only want a result that shows test1.txt and test2.txt...NOT test/ Dec 05 20:29:12 solca: when i start android or try to switch wifi on, it shows me "sorry com.android.setting is not responding" Dec 05 20:30:30 Meiz_5500: on the screen? Dec 05 20:31:57 Meiz_5500: I found it: blizzard.c: s1d1374x: line buffer not ready Dec 05 20:32:05 but I don't know what it means Dec 05 20:32:22 then the screen fades Dec 05 20:33:28 it seems it is a timing issue Dec 05 20:33:47 jiffies + msecs_to_jiffies(30); Dec 05 20:34:52 the question is if 30ms is a too much or too little to wait for the line buffer Dec 05 20:35:09 w'll try waiting more time and see if it fixed the problem Dec 05 20:37:47 K Dec 05 20:38:41 Meiz_5500: I put 300ms to wait and the same error: omapfb omapfb: s1d1374x: line buffer not ready Dec 05 20:39:31 The app not responding seems to be related with wifi-driver Dec 05 20:40:06 dick-richardson: think i got it Dec 05 20:40:30 i'm still here :) Dec 05 20:41:14 dick-richardson: well not sure Dec 05 20:41:16 but Dec 05 20:41:40 try this: ls -R |cut -d : -f 2 Dec 05 20:42:26 hi lcuk Dec 05 20:42:35 hiya Dec 05 20:42:41 that's close enough! thank you! Dec 05 20:42:50 dick-richardson: no problem man :) Dec 05 20:44:11 Meiz_5500: I insert a micro delay in the blizzard driver and the crash seems to be gone Dec 05 20:44:15 Meiz_5500: can you test it? Dec 05 20:44:26 Meiz_5500: you need to download the kernel again Dec 05 20:47:10 stlc45xx: v0.1.3 loaded Dec 05 20:47:10 stlc45xx: config buffer 0x20200-0x2060b Dec 05 20:47:10 stlc45xx: tx 0x2060c-0x23917, rx 0x23918-0x27c5f Dec 05 20:47:17 dick-richardson: are you there ? Dec 05 20:49:20 if you want to remove blank lines you can try: ls -R |cut -d : -f 2|grep -E [a-zA-Z1-9] Dec 05 20:51:19 solca: maybe, but i think i have to wait for tomorrow... :( Dec 05 20:51:41 Meiz_5500: ok, no prob, thx for the help Dec 05 21:02:14 Meiz_5500: .. Nokia 5500, btw? Dec 05 21:06:40 Stskeeps: yes Dec 05 21:06:43 ah Dec 05 21:08:01 i have android with no wlan on n810, so i have to use this Dec 05 21:12:37 qwerty12_N800: no problems with bzr so far Dec 05 21:12:37 does wlan not work on android for n810? Dec 05 21:12:44 solca: android seems to fade away often when charger is plugged in. Dec 05 21:13:09 lack of BME maybe Dec 05 21:13:19 Stskeeps, great! I was gonna ask you :D Dec 05 21:15:14 qwerty12_N800: http://rafb.net/p/VdEbel44.html :> Dec 05 21:15:33 (image builder) Dec 05 21:16:06 it makes more sense when you see rest of files Dec 05 21:16:10 andrewfblack: when booten in to the new android, (the one used in G1) it is not working. It might work with the latest kernel by solca Dec 05 21:16:47 ahh does wlan work on the install on itT? Dec 05 21:17:28 Should work. Dec 05 21:17:29 Stskeeps, hehe, i still want my xephyr & af-sb-init clone thing for the x86 chroot :p Dec 05 21:18:23 qwerty12_N800: yea, i agree Dec 05 21:18:27 combined with xoo that'd help a lot Dec 05 21:18:34 Stskeeps, looks good though, i'd like to try out mer properly soon :) Dec 05 21:18:46 i just had it booting earlier, though i didn't test the hildon Dec 05 21:29:15 Stskeeps: does MER have a homepage? Dec 05 21:29:59 ~mer Dec 05 21:30:00 rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed , http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , http://launchpad.net/m-r , http://jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC , http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i/ (short summary) Dec 05 21:30:06 .. i gues Dec 05 21:30:06 s Dec 05 21:30:07 :P Dec 05 21:30:22 no, we don't have a direct homepage except the launchpad one Dec 05 21:31:28 which one would you like mentioned here? http://guug.org/nit/ Dec 05 21:32:20 mm, go for launchpad one for nw Dec 05 21:33:13 ok Dec 05 21:33:57 Stskeeps: do you have an idea about the name of the boot selector? Dec 05 21:34:04 nop, you're feel to choose Dec 05 21:34:22 Stskeeps: I just put it nitselector for now Dec 05 21:34:26 k Dec 05 21:34:52 Stskeeps: but I don't "feel it" apropriately Dec 05 21:35:37 The Selectorr. Dec 05 21:35:38 :P Dec 05 21:35:55 or, to follow in the recent trend in maemo apps.. Dec 05 21:35:59 "Advanced Bootmenu" Dec 05 21:36:24 but i guess the advanced prefix only counts for non-free non-advanced Dec 05 21:36:24 :P Dec 05 21:36:57 you should definately show your experiments to fanoush, he might be intruiged Dec 05 21:37:24 I don't know him, does he lurks here? Dec 05 21:38:00 fanoush is omnipotent Dec 05 21:38:05 by the way MER = Maemo Reconstructed, right? or it have a special meaning? Dec 05 21:38:27 solca: well, we can't call it Maemo. Mer is just ocean in french, or slang "More" in danish :P Dec 05 21:38:42 it was called M-R Proof of Concept.. and then we went for Mer Dec 05 21:38:47 go all the way and call it "meh!" Dec 05 21:38:56 fanoush is the guy who did bootmenu, and a load of other hacks, he's on iTT usually Dec 05 21:39:03 i found the dasterdly bug Dec 05 21:39:11 (http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/) Dec 05 21:39:54 Stskeeps: ok, so how can I call Mer? "Alternative Software for the NIT platform" ? Dec 05 21:40:13 Stskeeps: without angering Nokia ppl Dec 05 21:40:14 solca: for now it's just a research project / community distribution Dec 05 21:40:42 (read: a bunch of semi-insane people repackaging all the open source hildon+maemo platform stuff on top of ubuntu.) Dec 05 21:40:42 NIT? Can't we just say Maemo? Dec 05 21:40:54 andre___: well, hw vs sw Dec 05 21:41:01 maemo is the sw, hw is the nits :P Dec 05 21:41:06 hmm Dec 05 21:41:18 so you can't say mer is a alternative for maemo Dec 05 21:41:25 (.. depending on definition) Dec 05 21:41:28 anyhow. back to hacking. Dec 05 21:41:30 right :-/ Dec 05 21:41:32 * andre___ shuts up and goes back to preparing tomorrow's bugzilla reorg Dec 05 21:41:36 if GeneralAntilles was here im sure he would delight in telling you about trademakr positioning (hiya gan) Dec 05 21:41:43 Stskeeps: that's description is better Dec 05 21:41:59 lcuk: hehe Dec 05 21:43:54 Stskeeps, i can find one webhit for the dodgy file ive got Dec 05 21:44:21 targeted virus? :P Dec 05 21:44:24 and thats on legit mozilla russian dev forum \@/ Dec 05 21:44:52 maybe Dec 05 21:44:52 hmm, got hit by the greasemonkey trojan maybe? Dec 05 21:45:05 no, that was the first thing i started checking Dec 05 21:45:33 at first i put it down to specifically the 3.0.4 update and crappy JS new upgrade Dec 05 21:45:50 then i saw the gm thing and started investigating Dec 05 21:46:31 ahhh well ill reinstall as soon as i do a full backup Dec 05 21:48:31 at least one good thing has come out of all this Dec 05 21:48:42 i now know my wifi password Dec 05 21:48:52 lol :P Dec 05 21:50:44 * lcuk can see his code Dec 05 21:50:52 back tomorrow Dec 05 21:50:55 or later Dec 05 21:50:58 whichever comes first Dec 05 21:56:10 lcuk, somebody need educating? :P Dec 05 21:56:26 haha Dec 05 21:56:49 andre___, "NIT" refers to Nokia's product, calling Mer "Maemo" would be using a Nokia trademark for somebody else's product. Dec 05 21:57:22 On that note, andre___, do you need/want any help? Dec 05 21:57:27 I just wonder if anybody out there really know the term "NIT" Dec 05 21:57:37 GeneralAntilles, oh cool - thanks for the offer Dec 05 21:57:38 * lcuk scratches his head Dec 05 21:57:53 gah! i was meant to be gone Dec 05 21:57:54 right now just creating a few products in advance, because there's no batch mode for that Dec 05 21:58:18 and taking care that all products have the same versions and TMs so I don't run into problems tomorrow Dec 05 21:58:36 so I can't think of something were you can help, but really thanks for the offer, i appreciate that Dec 05 21:58:43 s/were/where Dec 05 21:59:27 so there's some noise in the query products field now for the next 12 hours. i think we can live with that Dec 05 21:59:31 andre___, yeah, I kinda figured. That's why I offered. :P :D Dec 05 21:59:47 hehehe Dec 05 21:59:49 ;-) Dec 05 22:00:33 GeneralAntilles, maybe you could stand at the bugzilla entrance tomorrow and tell everybody who wants to enter "come back with better clothing in 6 hours, you can't enter here looking like that" Dec 05 22:01:44 "We're trying to ritz up the place, GTFO." Dec 05 22:02:01 we're getting hello kitty theme for bugzilla? Dec 05 22:02:16 Oh god Dec 05 22:02:25 andre__, pleaaaase? :D Dec 05 22:02:31 That would make a fantastic april fools Dec 05 22:03:06 GeneralAntilles, yes. I'm backporting that from GNOME Bugzilla, see: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=112504&action=view Dec 05 22:03:06 old though Dec 05 22:03:16 omg ponies! beat everything Dec 05 22:03:27 he Dec 05 22:03:29 he lcuk Dec 05 22:03:49 andre__: hah Dec 05 22:03:51 hiya woglinde Dec 05 22:03:56 im not meant to be here Dec 05 22:04:10 * lcuk is sufferin withdrawal symptoms though Dec 05 22:04:44 I also plan to change the start page to look like this maybe: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=112524&action=view Dec 05 22:04:44 Hello Kitty would definitely send the message that maemo.org is no longer a Nokia site. :D Dec 05 22:04:49 Hiya, konttori! Dec 05 22:04:51 we all love MS Word, don't we? Dec 05 22:05:23 andre__: :> Dec 05 22:05:28 I don't think I've used Word in at least 3 years. Dec 05 22:05:33 me neither Dec 05 22:06:34 * GeneralAntilles wonders how we can con Nokia into paying INdT to put together a Hello Kitty theme. . . . Dec 05 22:06:55 GeneralAntilles, when they come through with the new page design it will be css anyway Dec 05 22:06:57 uwahaha Dec 05 22:06:59 you can skin it yourself Dec 05 22:07:02 n900 with hello kitty cover.. Dec 05 22:07:07 that'd sell. Dec 05 22:07:07 :P Dec 05 22:07:08 http://www.metlin.org/content/blog/omgponies.jpg Dec 05 22:07:16 that was slash a while back Dec 05 22:07:29 lcuk, the key words to pay attention to there are "Nokia" and "paying". :P Dec 05 22:07:48 shouldnt they be paying me or you to do it :P :D Dec 05 22:07:53 Maddox did a OMG ponies/Hello Kitty theme for April Fool's one year. Dec 05 22:08:00 mind you, you would do it for free Dec 05 22:08:39 I do everything for free. :( Dec 05 22:08:54 i know, you are a cheap date Dec 05 22:09:05 Maybe I'll get lucky like the French did for the N810s and get a free tablet. :P Dec 05 22:09:09 * lcuk buys gen another drink Dec 05 22:09:27 if oyu put your tablets close enough they mate Dec 05 22:09:49 Maybe if I leave the Beagle lying around it'll be an N900? :P Dec 05 22:09:56 so maemo summit, was actually an orgy, lcuk? Dec 05 22:10:18 im quite sure there was Dec 05 22:10:35 some of the nokians kept emerging from rooms looking very flustered Dec 05 22:10:36 if i could only remember anything from Maemo summit... :-P Dec 05 22:11:22 right, im goin for real now, but im not disconnecting Dec 05 22:30:03 Hello hackers -- I am trying to do the Easy Debian Turbo-Charged Edition, and the first step is getting easy-deb-chroot from Extras. This package is not showing up in my Application Manager, and when I try to click the link on the ITT forum, I get an error that the package is not found. I feel like I am missing something obvious - am I using an incorrect Maemo version? Or on the other hand, is it just not there? http://repository.m Dec 05 22:30:54 m-c-: feel free to split up in multiple lines :P Dec 05 22:31:05 :) Dec 05 22:31:12 i think its kinda cute how its a wall of text Dec 05 22:31:19 haha Dec 05 22:31:23 how cute Dec 05 22:31:29 Those damn ircd coders and their arbitrary limits ;) Dec 05 22:31:33 "http://repository." misses a verb. Dec 05 22:31:36 qtnx and nx are working on the freerunner Dec 05 22:31:49 and no problem with the illumne keyboard Dec 05 22:32:04 m-c-, the best person to ask would be qole, he is very regulat on internettablettalk and since easy debian is his he could guide you - but you have read the howto posting i gather Dec 05 22:32:14 w00t: get freenode to allow more than 512 characters in a message! Dec 05 22:32:14 :P Dec 05 22:33:11 lcuk: okay, I will shoot him a PM there - thanks!! Dec 05 22:33:24 freenode is 420 i believe Dec 05 22:33:25 m-c-: there's also long threads about easy debian, probably better to prod there Dec 05 22:33:44 lcuk: yeah, but when speaking ircd coder to ircd coder, a message is the entire thing :P Dec 05 22:33:53 m-c-, read the thread first, it would be inpolite to just pm him if you havent at least tried Dec 05 22:34:04 Stskeeps: 39 pages of messages in that thread! Dec 05 22:34:25 yeah.. Dec 05 22:34:26 :P Dec 05 22:34:26 Stskeeps: stop being so full of hot air! :P Dec 05 22:34:28 m-c-, i know that feeling, if you are still alive after that, you should try liqbase Dec 05 22:34:30 its only 25 Dec 05 22:34:41 w00t: but the fast food was so good.. Dec 05 22:35:08 mind you most people have fun by just watching the video here http://liqbase.net/ and then playing themselves Dec 05 22:35:15 w00t: you should fear my image builder.. Dec 05 22:35:45 but you dont think I am missing something obvious with failing to install easy-deb-chroot? I thought it was a popular package Dec 05 22:35:59 m-c-: there's nothing ordinary about the package, either Dec 05 22:36:00 :P Dec 05 22:36:10 :) okay, thanks for your responses. Dec 05 22:36:24 and thanks for splitting up the rest of your lines Dec 05 22:36:52 (incidentally, try liqbase if you just want to relax) Dec 05 22:41:15 39 pages isn't all that long. Dec 05 22:41:23 You can get through that in 10-15 minutes if you scan. Dec 05 22:42:24 I'd be nice if a page actually fit on the browser page, without having to scroll down. Would make it faster. Auto-pagination. Imagine. Dec 05 22:42:54 ;-) Dec 05 22:43:05 Then it'd be 390 pages Dec 05 22:43:42 Alternatively putting all the messages on one page... Dec 05 22:44:01 and using liqbase autoscrolling ;) Dec 05 22:45:03 you could probably make some autoscript to grab next page when you reach the bottom Dec 05 22:45:08 ive seen it on some sites Dec 05 22:45:27 http://www.dzone.com/links/index.html Dec 05 22:45:48 that has it - scroll down steadily when you get ~ 40 it loads the next set Dec 05 22:46:53 on vlc's changelog it mentions an official maemo port? Dec 05 22:47:00 Maemo Port: Dec 05 22:47:00 * New Maemo port with: Dec 05 22:47:00 - an interface based on Hildon framework. Dec 05 22:47:00 - scaler based on the swscale_nokia770 library. Dec 05 22:47:06 where abouts would i find that? Dec 05 22:47:23 what the hack is swscale_nokia770 library? Dec 05 22:47:40 software scaling? Dec 05 22:47:43 for nokia n770? Dec 05 22:47:58 no idea what that is.. but i believe swscale = software scaling Dec 05 22:48:23 I dont want to know what it is really doing Dec 05 22:48:30 but apparantly its official now? Dec 05 22:48:31 scales your porn for you Dec 05 22:48:31 :P Dec 05 22:48:56 Looks like other people are having problems getting the easy-deb-chroot, too, according to the message thread (ty, G.A. :) Dec 05 22:49:00 Stskeeps always knows how to get the most of his handheld devices Dec 05 22:49:37 garr... at least i find inconsistencies *before* running into problems tomorrow. good choice. Dec 05 22:49:56 zakkm: saw a funny thread on an iphone forum.. Dec 05 22:49:59 Stskeeps: installing deblet now by the way, use neighbors wifi and its barely on Dec 05 22:50:04 what it say? Dec 05 22:50:32 something about the success of any given smartphone depends on the feasibility of watching porn on it.. Dec 05 22:50:42 lol Dec 05 22:50:56 btw is "installing deblet " a bash script? Dec 05 22:51:03 nop, python script Dec 05 22:51:13 the new image builder for mer is shell though Dec 05 22:51:17 but less user friendly :P Dec 05 22:51:23 kept wanting to fail on me and i dont wanna keep starting from beginning ;p Dec 05 22:51:35 mm Dec 05 22:51:41 thought i could just edit, delete the top part of script.. and run * proper cutting * Dec 05 22:51:51 seems all good now though so far Dec 05 22:51:55 i chose keblet-basic ? Dec 05 22:52:02 no idea if keblet works Dec 05 22:52:06 is it usable? performance wise Dec 05 22:52:21 i only used lxde myself Dec 05 22:52:24 ah Dec 05 22:52:29 and our xfce back when we had it Dec 05 22:52:32 was so slow for me in easy debian ;p Dec 05 22:52:37 lxde Dec 05 22:52:40 well on nokia Dec 05 22:52:43 on pc... damn fast Dec 05 22:53:05 wow getting 352kb/s with neighbors wifi Dec 05 22:53:12 lxde was fast on deblet, i think Dec 05 22:53:28 can i just apt-get that later? Dec 05 22:54:21 technically yeah Dec 05 22:54:22 Stskeeps: Note, selecting tablet-hw-n8x0-support instead of tablet-hw-rx-34-support Dec 05 22:54:25 that's fine Dec 05 22:54:25 is it suppose to say that? Dec 05 22:54:27 yes Dec 05 22:54:34 rx-34 is n800 :P Dec 05 22:54:36 does it use xinitrc? Dec 05 22:54:40 i have n800 ? Dec 05 22:54:41 nop, kdm Dec 05 22:54:45 oh really Dec 05 22:54:49 full desktop manager? Dec 05 22:54:55 login manager* Dec 05 22:54:58 yeah, but you hardly see it Dec 05 22:55:10 * Stskeeps plans on having mer being a tad more sane. Dec 05 22:55:21 battery is most important :) Dec 05 22:55:28 yeah.. and there's hope in that area Dec 05 22:55:39 even maemo's battery life is okay Dec 05 22:55:44 andre__, watch the DB server's going down tomorrow. :P Dec 05 22:56:15 GeneralAntilles: you heard anything about the vlc official maemo port? Dec 05 22:56:25 GeneralAntilles, I hope that Nokia guy who will change the apache.conf really gets up at 11AM finnish time ;-) Dec 05 22:56:25 on their changelog, it mentions one Dec 05 22:56:56 zakkm, official from VLC? Dec 05 22:56:57 Dunno. Dec 05 22:56:59 yeah Dec 05 22:57:02 andre__: doesn't finnish people sleep in on saturdays after heavy vodka drinking the evening before? ;> Dec 05 22:57:10 http://www.videolan.org/developers/vlc/NEWS Dec 05 22:57:13 under mac osx interface Dec 05 22:57:19 andre__, he's in the process of getting more drunk than he's ever been in his life. Dec 05 22:57:21 Maemo Port: Dec 05 22:57:21 * New Maemo port with: Dec 05 22:57:21 - an interface based on Hildon framework. Dec 05 22:57:22 - scaler based on the swscale_nokia770 library. Dec 05 22:57:24 Stskeeps, exactly. but i plan the same for tonight ;-) Dec 05 22:57:34 He's gonna redirect to something horrible Dec 05 22:57:44 www.hello-kitty.com ? Dec 05 22:57:50 zakkm, interesting. Dec 05 22:57:57 neve rheard of it Dec 05 22:58:02 i cant seem to find a package or anything Dec 05 22:58:14 zakkm: it's in their git probably Dec 05 22:58:42 damn , i deleted linux Dec 05 22:58:48 is their git on mac, does anyone know Dec 05 22:59:02 like without messing with installing stuff Dec 05 22:59:25 wow deblet takes ages to install Dec 05 22:59:28 yup Dec 05 22:59:34 it really takes that time to debootstrap :P Dec 05 22:59:50 which is why firmware images aren't always such a bad thing.. Dec 05 23:00:04 zakkm: http://wiki.videolan.org/SoC_2008/New_VLC_interface_for_Maemo Dec 05 23:00:12 http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2008-videolan/downloads/detail?name=Antoine_Lejeune.tar.gz&can=2&q= Dec 05 23:00:31 ok, done. i think i'm prepared for tomorrow. now time to go to a drum'n'bass club :) gnight everybody! Dec 05 23:00:36 enjoy, andre__ Dec 05 23:00:36 Here are some quick ideas : Dec 05 23:00:36 * Interact with the built-in webcam easily Dec 05 23:00:36 * streaming Dec 05 23:00:36 * easy-playing of youtube video Dec 05 23:00:48 Yet Another Media Center for Maemo? :P Dec 05 23:03:16 i think canola might win Dec 05 23:03:38 i tried mediabox today.. it annoyed me a tiny bit with lacking "select random track", and stopping occasionally Dec 05 23:03:46 quite inventive user interface though Dec 05 23:04:11 is there a good way to make a media server on my home pc Dec 05 23:04:15 and then my nokia streaming video? Dec 05 23:04:20 not the orb method Dec 05 23:05:03 think there's some stuff mentioned on wiki Dec 05 23:05:31 ohgroup hal does not exist Dec 05 23:05:32 loll Dec 05 23:05:40 userdel: user hal does not exist Dec 05 23:07:14 that's ok usually Dec 05 23:07:18 as long as it doesn't die Dec 05 23:08:14 i know, its bad package managing though Dec 05 23:08:27 theres never a user hal ;p is there? Dec 05 23:09:33 Meanwhile: S&P Cuts Moto's Rating to Junk Dec 05 23:09:54 hey Dec 05 23:09:58 damn you RST38h, but it was something norty Dec 05 23:10:18 just not anything hijackthis could help with Dec 05 23:10:32 anyone experienced on how to install maemo sdk and scratchbox in ubuntu amd64 Dec 05 23:10:42 samd__ look in the wiki Dec 05 23:11:01 and there was latly a thread on ht mailinglist Dec 05 23:11:30 lcuk: Did you fix it? Dec 05 23:11:30 woglinde, ight, letme take a look, the worst case, ill just install it in a virtual machine Dec 05 23:11:58 zakkm: sure there is.. i think Dec 05 23:12:09 there could be a group hal Dec 05 23:12:11 but a user? Dec 05 23:12:15 you never know Dec 05 23:12:15 :P Dec 05 23:12:28 group hal would make sense, .. guest = wouldnt get hal .. keeps it very restricted Dec 05 23:12:28 there's also a 'nsa' user. Dec 05 23:12:28 :P Dec 05 23:12:36 but seems pointless as a user Dec 05 23:12:44 RST38h, yes, and the file class in question which was norty comes up with 1 hit in google Dec 05 23:12:49 and why would installing hal want to know if there is Dec 05 23:13:29 cos it needs to assign permissions probably Dec 05 23:13:30 it was hiding within my firefox program folder, it was not profile related but general chrome. it survived reinstalls and only vanished with an uninstall + delete/rename of the folder Dec 05 23:13:47 wow omg its still extracting .deb's Dec 05 23:14:02 lcuk : sandbox :) Dec 05 23:14:06 sandboxie :D Dec 05 23:14:30 zakkm: i'm glaring at a debootstrap, stop whining =P Dec 05 23:14:59 lol Dec 05 23:15:09 neighbor will shut off wifi soon, i want it finished tonight Dec 05 23:15:32 hehe Dec 05 23:17:21 * Stskeeps ponders if the gf left the bacon snacks at home or took them along to berlin. Dec 05 23:17:34 hehe Dec 05 23:17:49 * lcuk reconsiders having bacon as a highlight word Dec 05 23:17:55 excellent! Dec 05 23:18:00 didnt see any bacon snacks here Dec 05 23:18:01 * Stskeeps munches Dec 05 23:18:04 python 3.0 went stable! :P yay Dec 05 23:18:05 i was coding happily Dec 05 23:18:05 lol Dec 05 23:18:30 so next step is testing ubifs Dec 05 23:18:35 zakkm, do i still have to wait for service pack 3 Dec 05 23:18:40 once people start using it for real Dec 05 23:18:57 next thing you know, we will be playin duke nukem forever Dec 05 23:19:16 sp3 of what? Dec 05 23:19:31 woglinde: solca has new kernel for n8x0.. start playing? :P Dec 05 23:19:48 stskeep nope I will test it on my simpad Dec 05 23:20:02 but before I have to ported some patches to 2.6.27 Dec 05 23:20:08 zakkm, python Dec 05 23:20:14 dont kno Dec 05 23:20:20 i read the distrowatch package releases :P Dec 05 23:20:31 http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ Dec 05 23:20:31 anyway, back later Dec 05 23:20:42 lcuk see you Dec 05 23:20:50 is it worth using an alternate kernel, than the default NIT one? Dec 05 23:21:12 or alternately configured, i suppose Dec 05 23:21:52 not yet Dec 05 23:21:54 any recomendations on a irc for maemo? (nokia n810) Dec 05 23:22:09 xcha Dec 05 23:22:12 +t Dec 05 23:22:17 ^ Dec 05 23:22:24 ight, thanks Dec 05 23:22:48 how is babby formed? Dec 05 23:22:48 IRSSI Dec 05 23:22:50 :) Dec 05 23:28:47 he qwerty12_N800 how is andorid going? Dec 05 23:29:40 big announcement today about Android 1.0, huh? Dec 05 23:30:19 no wifi though -- Dec 05 23:30:36 woglinde, ask solca or Meizkki :). tried out nthcode's release and got pissed and put me off android :) Dec 05 23:31:04 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3641439368.html Dec 05 23:31:12 does not sound good qwerty12_N800 :) Dec 05 23:31:37 m-c-: they ought to pay some donations to qwerty12 Dec 05 23:31:53 m-c-, oh, nthcode's work us good if you have an N810, just not worth trying on an N800 Dec 05 23:32:08 s/us/is/ Dec 05 23:32:09 qwerty12_N800 meant: m-c-, oh, nthcode's work is good if you have an N810, just not worth trying on an N800 Dec 05 23:32:13 I emailed him that exact question earlier today qwerty12_N800 Dec 05 23:32:15 Is there any snes simulator available on maemo? Dec 05 23:32:29 got a response back on ITT from qole -- I was on the wrong version -- need to flash to latest firmware Dec 05 23:32:41 re: easy-deb-chroot Dec 05 23:32:43 alright Dec 05 23:33:35 qwerty12_N800: you should name yourself QWERTY-12 from now on Dec 05 23:33:36 :P Dec 05 23:33:58 Stskeeps, hehe :P Dec 05 23:34:35 why the hack they didnt use the opensource driver Dec 05 23:34:36 only if you call yourself STS-KEEPS :P Dec 05 23:34:37 cant understand Dec 05 23:34:44 stskeeps *g* Dec 05 23:34:55 qwerty12_N800: that'd get people to actually call me sts.. Dec 05 23:34:56 :P Dec 05 23:34:57 hm should I apply for linuxdevices too Dec 05 23:35:07 but he I have no blog Dec 05 23:35:17 woglinde, the kernel they ported the android patches doesn't support the oss wifi driver Dec 05 23:35:38 qwerty12????? Dec 05 23:35:48 because of the ugly pm google did? Dec 05 23:37:35 woglinde, no, i'm chatting shit, please ignore me :) Dec 05 23:54:36 take a look at this page (the content isnt important) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/146657/c-header-file-loops Dec 05 23:54:44 at the bottom its got a posting area just like itT Dec 05 23:54:59 but it has a tickbox to mark in community wiki Dec 05 23:55:05 this would be an excellent idea for itt Dec 05 23:55:41 to allow postings in the forum to be promoted and kept in sync with the real wiki topic Dec 05 23:55:49 mm Dec 05 23:57:25 * Stskeeps watches the black console Dec 05 23:58:26 watching Mer install isn't that horridly exciting Dec 05 23:59:03 you should install psdoom Dec 05 23:59:15 or something similar for package installation progress Dec 05 23:59:22 tetris.. Dec 05 23:59:22 :P Dec 05 23:59:32 but using console words Dec 06 00:00:52 Stskeeps Dec 06 00:00:53 problem Dec 06 00:01:03 i picked gtk and i couldnt select anything for tablet user/ password Dec 06 00:01:11 cause im on n800, and it didnt work for me to type Dec 06 00:01:51 "GTK gives you a pretty user interface for the questions (see http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/debconf-gtk.png), but if you don't own a keyboard for/on your tablet, don't use it." Dec 06 00:01:55 :P Dec 06 00:02:03 i know, but its too late Dec 06 00:02:06 lol Dec 06 00:02:09 (feel free to shout things at me :P) Dec 06 00:02:22 its too late Dec 06 00:02:25 :( Dec 06 00:02:32 i dont wanna restart the installer Dec 06 00:02:55 wait half a week when we start having mer more possible to play with :P Dec 06 00:03:15 im very impatient :) Dec 06 00:03:30 what happens in half a week? Dec 06 00:03:45 i expect to be a little further than just booting a console system :P Dec 06 00:03:59 * Stskeeps is a bit impatient himself, waiting for fremantle alpha sdk Dec 06 00:04:00 console works? Dec 06 00:04:12 got up to console ? Dec 06 00:04:25 we have X+hildon etc as well, in a previous iteration Dec 06 00:04:38 and yeah, i had console going earlier tonight Dec 06 00:04:51 install lxde ;p Dec 06 00:05:00 forget about hildon :P Dec 06 00:05:12 yeah, but then it'd just be a ubuntu port.. :P Dec 06 00:05:22 and run into same problems as deblet Dec 06 00:05:53 Desktop DEs make zero sense on the tablets. <_< Dec 06 00:05:57 and the idea is LXDE would run as well on Mer. as well as KDE, .. etc Dec 06 00:06:01 if people want it Dec 06 00:06:23 but default setup is hildon, obviously Dec 06 00:07:03 * GeneralAntilles bursts. Dec 06 00:07:26 heh Dec 06 00:07:41 * Stskeeps likes hildon better but for some things a desktop DE is "ok" Dec 06 00:07:44 Too much food. Dec 06 00:08:07 and there's always going to be people who want to paint the bikeshed a different colour Dec 06 00:08:08 lol Dec 06 00:08:23 Blue! Dec 06 00:08:27 BLUUUEEEEE! Dec 06 00:08:28 desktop DE's are fine :P Dec 06 00:08:32 hildon is too slow Dec 06 00:08:33 :D Dec 06 00:08:38 Erm? Dec 06 00:08:44 Desktop DEs are FASTER now? :\ Dec 06 00:08:47 lol Dec 06 00:08:52 i want fluxbox , honestly Dec 06 00:08:54 but yeah Dec 06 00:09:01 Er Dec 06 00:09:20 GeneralAntilles: speed vs functionality ratio probably is less than hildons :P Dec 06 00:09:47 hildon is slow for me Dec 06 00:10:04 think i bloated it too much Dec 06 00:10:20 GeneralAntilles: your beagle still dead btw? Dec 06 00:10:46 Stskeeps, I gave it another swing yesterday, was gonna ask you if you could give me a tarball to turn it into a build machine if I managed to revive it Dec 06 00:10:49 but no progress. :\ Dec 06 00:10:57 Well, it's probably not 'bloat', per se, but integration with a huge pile of helper programs. Dec 06 00:11:01 busted boot loader or, ? Dec 06 00:11:09 Yeah, busted bootloader Dec 06 00:11:14 and the Beagle documentation still sucks Dec 06 00:12:08 * Stskeeps is not 100% fond of beagle yet after weird problems with it Dec 06 00:12:14 it stands offline at my work atm too Dec 06 00:12:45 The software (kernel especially) really needs some time to stabilize. Dec 06 00:13:12 It's fantastic if you want to play with that sort of stuff, but not great for getting stuff done. Dec 06 00:13:22 ga hm? Dec 06 00:13:22 yeah Dec 06 00:13:29 how much was the beagle? Dec 06 00:13:34 $150 Dec 06 00:13:42 Which makes it about the cheapest ARM development kit around. Dec 06 00:13:44 * zakkm paid $145 for nokia Dec 06 00:14:02 i think i'm going to use my work's n800 for new kernel experiments & mer Dec 06 00:14:14 as i use my own actively Dec 06 00:14:19 * disco_stu thinks GeneralAntilles should donate one to disco_stu Dec 06 00:14:20 OMAP3530 processor delivers laptop-like performance at handheld power levels Dec 06 00:14:24 hm we have lot of stuff at work Dec 06 00:14:31 today a gumstick board arvies Dec 06 00:14:31 it has the new omap thats suppose to be in the new nokia's? Dec 06 00:14:35 yeah Dec 06 00:14:40 and I have to time to play with them Dec 06 00:14:54 zakkm, more or less. Dec 06 00:14:59 It'll be the OMAP3430 Dec 06 00:15:14 Which is for larger production runs, and includes some more proprietary stuff. Dec 06 00:15:33 you think it might make a good server? Dec 06 00:15:35 or should i just go x86? Dec 06 00:15:44 define "good" Dec 06 00:15:55 price vs performance Dec 06 00:16:08 not amount of dev work Dec 06 00:16:13 Well, storage interfaces are limited Dec 06 00:16:21 Connectivity can be a pain Dec 06 00:16:26 i saw a SD attached to it Dec 06 00:16:33 I mean, if you want something to invest a lot of time screwing around with Dec 06 00:16:34 i want a media server for my nokia, and some other stuff Dec 06 00:16:35 it's great Dec 06 00:16:36 zakkm: if i had it not eating MMC's for breakfast, and the ubuntu kernels providing OTG/pepherial for USBnet, i wouldn't mind.. Dec 06 00:16:48 but if you want something that just works, it's not the right answer. Dec 06 00:16:48 define "price" Dec 06 00:16:56 highschool student budget Dec 06 00:17:04 zakkm: atom board is probably more sane to get Dec 06 00:17:08 i have that Dec 06 00:17:12 the d945gclf Dec 06 00:17:19 okay, if you're not paying for power, x86 will always win out Dec 06 00:17:23 only recently upgraded my desktop from that Dec 06 00:17:29 i have gclf2 at work and i hate it. intel driver fucks up immensely on tv-out Dec 06 00:17:34 lol Dec 06 00:17:34 rolling picture Dec 06 00:17:37 never tried tv-out Dec 06 00:17:47 apparnatly the "2" is only like 15% faster ;p Dec 06 00:17:50 Yeah, ARM's advantage is power consumption Dec 06 00:17:57 So if you're not running it off a battery, just get x86. Dec 06 00:18:07 yeah, would be attached to wall Dec 06 00:18:31 ARM also has the Java advantage. Dec 06 00:18:38 which is? Dec 06 00:18:40 If you've already got the Atom, it sounds like you have what you need. ;) Dec 06 00:19:09 The fancier ARM instruction sets support native Java execution. Dec 06 00:19:10 the d945gclf suppose to take alot of power though Dec 06 00:19:20 despite being atom Dec 06 00:19:32 jrayhawk: what java advantage ? Dec 06 00:19:45 used to use it for mac osx x86 support, the d945gclf/lf2 , have perfect mac support Dec 06 00:19:48 zakkm, the chipsets that go with the Atom are the killers at this point. :\ Dec 06 00:19:51 made a nice mac box Dec 06 00:19:56 woo, "ubuntu jaunty (development branch) Nokia-N800-23-14" Dec 06 00:20:04 ? Dec 06 00:20:05 tty1, login: Dec 06 00:20:06 :P Dec 06 00:20:06 what that mean? Dec 06 00:20:10 ;o Dec 06 00:20:16 you already said you had console? Dec 06 00:20:17 means my image baker worked Dec 06 00:20:28 jrayhawk: n800 has it ? Dec 06 00:20:38 yeah, previously i reused my old installer for iteration 1, now i made a new more.. insane one Dec 06 00:20:38 stskeeps: suggestion,... use the + and - from volume Dec 06 00:20:42 to go from tty1-7 :P Dec 06 00:20:52 the hardware + and - Dec 06 00:20:54 hehe.. i don't intend to use console much Dec 06 00:21:04 got a n800 so Dec 06 00:21:07 yeah Dec 06 00:21:08 me too Dec 06 00:21:11 sounds nice though Dec 06 00:21:18 cause some might use console and like irssi and stuff Dec 06 00:21:30 would make it nice and barebone , or not even start X at all Dec 06 00:21:47 "fullscreen" does startx :P Dec 06 00:21:52 plus and minus = change tty Dec 06 00:22:05 I forget what the OMAP stuff is; cat /proc/cpuinfo and find out if it's ARMv5 or above. Dec 06 00:22:07 jrayhawk: n800 has java caps ? Dec 06 00:22:17 it says java Dec 06 00:22:38 jrayhawk: armv6 i think Dec 06 00:22:45 the nokia tablets Dec 06 00:22:53 GeneralAntilles: http://tinyurl.com/5vu3uk Dec 06 00:22:59 omap2420 has jazelle opcode mode, but no framework around it Dec 06 00:23:23 jrayhawk: its v6 and says java Dec 06 00:23:28 what does it mean ? Dec 06 00:23:37 (how to describe a firmware image target, in this file, targeting a folder) Dec 06 00:23:42 It means that there are execution modes for executing native JVM bytecode. Dec 06 00:24:01 wow Dec 06 00:24:09 its a shame we dont exploit that capabilites Dec 06 00:24:24 exploit.. lol Dec 06 00:24:24 disco_stu: trade secret stuff :P Dec 06 00:24:30 i can think of more visible things which could be exploited Dec 06 00:24:39 never heard of using cpu's ability, exploting Dec 06 00:24:56 so does that mean java apps will start appearing? :P Dec 06 00:25:02 MER java edition :P Dec 06 00:25:04 tell that to mey intel celeron 300a Dec 06 00:25:07 whatever Dec 06 00:25:09 .. openjdk and cacao Dec 06 00:25:21 ooo Dec 06 00:25:33 I do not know why you would bother since the majority of the Linux ecosystem already runs fine on native ARM instruction sets. Dec 06 00:26:06 terms of speed i guess Dec 06 00:29:36 * Stskeeps ponders idly how much power this blinking cursor takes on the tablet.. Dec 06 00:29:51 (on a non-blanking screen on a console.. :P) Dec 06 00:29:55 More than zero? Dec 06 00:31:18 i swear, the first thing i'm going to change in mer is the behaviour of when charger is inserted.. Dec 06 00:31:45 so it's possible to move from the animation to hildon in a buttonpush Dec 06 00:31:58 how can i get adbock ? Dec 06 00:32:01 on diablo? Dec 06 00:32:09 Don't bother Dec 06 00:32:10 IT sucks Dec 06 00:32:13 CSS/Hosts Dec 06 00:32:16 okay Dec 06 00:32:36 trying to think of ways to speed it up Dec 06 00:32:36 ;p Dec 06 00:32:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Ad_blocking Dec 06 00:33:57 GeneralAntilles: if you're bored eventually, a simple list of included apps for a community distribution.. where we exclude everything closed source from nokia Dec 06 00:34:05 like, in the initial firmware image Dec 06 00:34:08 is havaplayer any good? Dec 06 00:34:25 just so we have some kind of "goal" to work towards Dec 06 00:34:27 zakkm, there are some sync issues with long term viewing Dec 06 00:34:28 ohh how do i install garnet-vm? :P Dec 06 00:34:31 but it works really nicely otherwise Dec 06 00:34:43 Stskeeps, like the wiki page, but with everything? Dec 06 00:35:26 do one of you have a hava box for tv? Dec 06 00:35:26 (and apologies for any typos or weird sentences, i'm quite sleepy :) Dec 06 00:36:37 hm anyone know how to get packages into sdk? Dec 06 00:36:41 zakkm, yes, I have the Platinum Dec 06 00:36:48 wanna stream me live tv? :P lol Dec 06 00:36:50 Works great Dec 06 00:37:09 because I will start to get cacao with classpath into maemo Dec 06 00:37:20 GeneralAntilles: i forgot the url for the community edition again, what i'm seeking after is basically a list of apps/control panels/applets/etc that are OSS that should be on a community firmware image of Mer Dec 06 00:37:24 but some packages only needed for sdk Dec 06 00:37:35 within reasonable limits of flash space Dec 06 00:37:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_Community_distribution Dec 06 00:37:54 so we can use that list to see how close to acting like maemo we are Dec 06 00:37:56 thinks wget should be in this mer :D Dec 06 00:38:33 zakkm: think it is :P Dec 06 00:39:13 ok good :P Dec 06 00:40:08 ohh Dec 06 00:40:14 there is a way to do copy link .. from microb Dec 06 00:40:17 to clipboard Dec 06 00:42:36 is there a list of all maemo skins somewhere? Dec 06 00:44:48 would chinook apps work okay in diablo? Dec 06 00:47:11 I think emdebian is also working on the coreutils/busybox agnosticism problem in Debian Dec 06 00:48:09 It would probably be a good idea to look into their discussions and start stealing as many good ideas as your wiki can hold. Dec 06 00:49:20 jrayhawk: mm, for now we go with coreutils.. helps more than it hurts atm Dec 06 00:51:01 mm, bed. gnite Dec 06 00:53:27 anyone here heard of ettercap? Dec 06 01:23:37 does the menus have a "max" ? Dec 06 01:26:59 max number of items? Dec 06 01:27:52 like in extrax Dec 06 01:27:56 cause i keep adding it to go on forever **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 06 02:59:57 2008