**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 06 02:59:57 2008
Dec 06 05:43:48 <bef0rd> hi
Dec 06 05:47:44 <WormFood> anyone get all the way through hex-a-bop? that fuckin' game is so hard, playing it is like work
Dec 06 05:48:44 <disco_stu> WormFood: never played it, is it good ?
Dec 06 05:48:44 <WormFood> hey corq-FL, where abouts in florida are you from?
Dec 06 05:49:02 <WormFood> I find it rather enjoyable, for the most part, but some of the levels are just crazy hard
Dec 06 05:49:42 <WormFood> it appears there is 100 levels...I'm not 100% sure about that....but every level I complete, it says I'm that percentage done...20 levels = 20% finished
Dec 06 05:50:07 <WormFood> I like good logic puzzles
Dec 06 05:50:19 <disco_stu> i'll install it
Dec 06 05:51:39 <WormFood> I always enjoyed logic puzzles as a kid
Dec 06 05:52:03 <disco_stu> i rather prefer fps
Dec 06 05:52:05 <disco_stu> lol
Dec 06 05:52:25 <WormFood> I find most FPS boring
Dec 06 05:52:45 <disco_stu> numptyphysics is also good to play on NIT's
Dec 06 05:52:46 <WormFood> DN3D was fun, as was Unreal Tournament (the original one), and the first quake
Dec 06 05:52:58 <WormFood> yeah, that is fun too, but not enough levels
Dec 06 05:53:07 <GeneralAntilles> We need to start a tablet-only server for Q3 when the N900 comes out. . . .
Dec 06 05:53:41 <WormFood> also, I have creative ways win on numptyphysics, that isn't always what the designer envisioned
Dec 06 05:54:14 <disco_stu> yeah
Dec 06 06:03:12 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, ping.
Dec 06 06:11:52 <andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles whats up
Dec 06 06:12:05 <GeneralAntilles> So, about minimalist
Dec 06 06:12:16 <andrewfblack> yeah I want to redue it for new site
Dec 06 06:12:24 <andrewfblack> full features
Dec 06 06:12:27 <GeneralAntilles> The new maemo.org theme for itT is going to be a _LOT_ lighter than itT's existing theme.
Dec 06 06:12:41 <andrewfblack> light enough to only need one theme
Dec 06 06:12:46 <GeneralAntilles> INdT is currently working on the design right now
Dec 06 06:13:00 <GeneralAntilles> Well, probably, but choice doesn't hurt. ;)
Dec 06 06:13:10 <GeneralAntilles> Hang on, let me grab a link
Dec 06 06:13:28 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:HOME510.png
Dec 06 06:13:31 <andrewfblack> I just love 1 with no images at all for use over cell phone
Dec 06 06:13:33 <GeneralAntilles> That's the latest mockup.
Dec 06 06:14:14 <GeneralAntilles> So, if you either want to update minimalist's colors and header to match that
Dec 06 06:14:41 <GeneralAntilles> or get on maemo-community and discuss the changes
Dec 06 06:14:48 <GeneralAntilles> But, yeah, I think it should be an option.
Dec 06 06:14:56 <andrewfblack> cool
Dec 06 06:16:11 <andrewfblack> I'll work on a redesign I really don't like the menu I have for minimalist theme right now either
Dec 06 06:16:36 <GeneralAntilles> I'd recommend subscribing to maemo-community (if you aren't already) and discussing it some there
Dec 06 06:16:47 <andrewfblack> ok
Dec 06 06:16:49 <GeneralAntilles> As you'll likely get a lot of input.
Dec 06 06:17:08 <GeneralAntilles> But I definitely think it should be included.
Dec 06 06:19:04 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, actually, my initial thought when we first started talking about the move was "We should talk to andrewfblack for the new theme". :P
Dec 06 06:25:27 <andrewfblack> lol Its good to be though of I wish I could do more but for the community but my software programming skills are weak
Dec 06 06:26:04 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, so are mine. :P
Dec 06 06:26:41 <andrewfblack> and see how far you have come
Dec 06 06:28:53 <andrewfblack> I have been wanting to do a new minimalist theme for awhile just never could get Reggie into it
Dec 06 06:32:40 <AStorm> hehe
Dec 06 06:33:08 <AStorm> in the meantime, I'm still working on handwriting recognition
Dec 06 06:33:27 <acydlord> i forgot my n810 charger at work
Dec 06 06:33:58 <andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles When is new site going to launch
Dec 06 06:34:04 <AStorm> and I'd like to ask if you'd prefer a ui like epitext (the current one) or something with a standard textbox
Dec 06 06:34:51 <AStorm> with live correction too... (mouse-driven textbox :P)
Dec 06 06:35:10 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, no date, but it'll probably be January or February
Dec 06 06:35:14 <AStorm> I mean separate recognized text and written text, instead of replacing
Dec 06 06:35:18 <GeneralAntilles> Likely to coincide with the new site launch
Dec 06 06:35:46 <andrewfblack> cool
Dec 06 06:35:53 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, I want Newton-style where I can write anywhere. :P
Dec 06 06:36:11 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, hmm
Dec 06 06:36:40 <AStorm> possible, if you can hook up "showing" a window and hiding it
Dec 06 06:36:53 <AStorm> I could synthesize X input events
Dec 06 06:37:02 <AStorm> which should work anywhere
Dec 06 06:37:07 <GeneralAntilles> Probably not worth pursing
Dec 06 06:37:23 <AStorm> pity matchbox can't do proper window management
Dec 06 06:37:24 <GeneralAntilles> But replacing works for me
Dec 06 06:37:39 <AStorm> for me, it works so-so
Dec 06 06:37:58 <AStorm> hm
Dec 06 06:38:18 <AStorm> maybe I'll add "tap to pick next possibility"
Dec 06 06:39:11 <AStorm> letter and even maybe word
Dec 06 06:39:40 <AStorm> that would be more t9 or newton style, right?
Dec 06 06:39:59 <AStorm> the most important change is that now *you* add symbols :>
Dec 06 06:40:17 <AStorm> so, I will finally be able to recognize Polish diacritics
Dec 06 06:41:45 <zakkm> should hildon-desktop be tak 31mb ram?
Dec 06 06:41:48 <AStorm> that, and a better algorithm (already works better, w/o a dictionary :P)
Dec 06 06:42:18 <AStorm> zakkm, no, here it grabs 11M
Dec 06 06:42:29 <zakkm> for me its taking 31mb
Dec 06 06:42:54 <zakkm> Astorm: newest Diablo?
Dec 06 06:43:04 <AStorm> yes
Dec 06 06:43:28 <zakkm> uh oh
Dec 06 06:43:42 <zakkm> why is mine taking so much
Dec 06 06:43:45 <AStorm> 23-14
Dec 06 06:43:52 <GeneralAntilles> How many applets? :\
Dec 06 06:44:35 <AStorm> so, 2008.36-5 here
Dec 06 06:44:45 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles
Dec 06 06:44:48 <zakkm> on desktop , only 1
Dec 06 06:44:51 <zakkm> the normal clock
Dec 06 06:44:59 <AStorm> I have omweather, search, clock
Dec 06 06:45:01 <GeneralAntilles> Statusbar, taskbar?
Dec 06 06:45:02 <zakkm> at top thingy, just load-applet and advanced banklight
Dec 06 06:45:13 <AStorm> and in tray, adv backlight and load-applet
Dec 06 06:45:20 <GeneralAntilles> and is that "top"?
Dec 06 06:45:23 <zakkm> no
Dec 06 06:45:27 <zakkm> load-applet
Dec 06 06:45:29 <zakkm> list processes
Dec 06 06:46:40 <AStorm> here too
Dec 06 06:46:51 <AStorm> btw, who has htop for diablo?
Dec 06 06:47:05 <zakkm> probably would be the same as chinook?
Dec 06 06:47:08 <GeneralAntilles> Probably in the Tools repo
Dec 06 06:47:09 <zakkm> htop is very small :P
Dec 06 06:47:19 <zakkm> it doesnt compile i dont think
Dec 06 06:47:24 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, tools? where is that?
Dec 06 06:47:46 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/development/tools/
Dec 06 06:48:10 <AStorm> hmm, news
Dec 06 06:48:26 <zakkm> so Astorm: it says 11mb in load-applet for you?
Dec 06 06:48:28 <AStorm> I should subscribe to some feed to keep myself updated
Dec 06 06:48:29 <zakkm> for hildon-desktop?
Dec 06 06:48:34 <AStorm> zakkm, yes
Dec 06 06:48:40 <zakkm> damn
Dec 06 06:48:43 <zakkm> ill try rebooting
Dec 06 06:49:08 <zakkm> was thinking of reflashing
Dec 06 06:49:18 <zakkm> and just getting the stuff i want this time, rather than trying new stuff
Dec 06 06:49:33 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, 0ity there's no gvim in there
Dec 06 06:49:38 <AStorm> *pity
Dec 06 06:49:44 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles: you think LCARS could of caused the huge "memory leak"
Dec 06 06:49:53 <GeneralAntilles> Doubtful
Dec 06 06:49:56 <zakkm> hildon desktop is now 16mb
Dec 06 06:50:03 <zakkm> somethings leaking ;p
Dec 06 06:50:19 <AStorm> weird, here nothing is apparently
Dec 06 06:50:25 <AStorm> except microb
Dec 06 06:50:27 <AStorm> :P
Dec 06 06:50:34 <zakkm> its a browser though
Dec 06 06:50:37 <zakkm> i dont mind that
Dec 06 06:50:38 <AStorm> but that is fixed with restarting it
Dec 06 06:50:47 <zakkm> but hildon-desktop cant be restarted :P
Dec 06 06:50:55 <AStorm> pity it doesn't support sessions
Dec 06 06:51:14 * zakkm adds to wishlist for mer :)
Dec 06 06:51:28 <GeneralAntilles> Sure it can
Dec 06 06:51:32 <GeneralAntilles> killall hildon-desktop
Dec 06 06:51:37 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, haha
Dec 06 06:51:42 <AStorm> almost a reboot
Dec 06 06:52:05 <AStorm> and won't it enter "safe-mode" and disable all the applets?
Dec 06 06:52:06 <zakkm> killall -9 more like it ;p
Dec 06 06:52:12 <AStorm> zakkm, wrong
Dec 06 06:52:32 <zakkm> hell, why not just STOP it. ;p
Dec 06 06:52:37 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, there's a file that it deletes when it closes cleanly
Dec 06 06:52:48 <AStorm> mhm
Dec 06 06:52:53 <GeneralAntilles> if that file's there it start, it starts up with default applets
Dec 06 06:52:56 <AStorm> that I know
Dec 06 06:53:08 <AStorm> but will sigterm make it remove the file?
Dec 06 06:53:12 <zakkm> yeah
Dec 06 06:53:15 <zakkm> it says 17mb now
Dec 06 06:53:16 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Dec 06 06:53:17 <zakkm> theres a leak :P
Dec 06 06:53:25 <GeneralAntilles> They're easy enough to re-enable anyway
Dec 06 06:53:28 <zakkm> not if you killall -9 :D
Dec 06 06:53:48 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, not if you're running 10 or more:>
Dec 06 06:54:02 <zakkm> oh wow
Dec 06 06:54:06 <zakkm> you can kill hildon-desktop :D
Dec 06 06:54:12 <AStorm> :P
Dec 06 06:54:26 <GeneralAntilles> I wish it weren't so nastily put together
Dec 06 06:54:28 <zakkm> oh yeah its so memory-leaked
Dec 06 06:54:29 <AStorm> anyway, we need something less broken than matchbox too
Dec 06 06:54:38 <GeneralAntilles> hopefully the applets will move to their own processes soon.
Dec 06 06:54:39 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, oh, indeed
Dec 06 06:54:51 <AStorm> I can't figure out the init system
Dec 06 06:54:54 <GeneralAntilles> Which, I think they're planning on fixing at some point.
Dec 06 06:54:57 <AStorm> want to add a script
Dec 06 06:55:03 <AStorm> yet it doesn't work
Dec 06 06:55:21 <GeneralAntilles> upstart in Fremantle
Dec 06 06:55:44 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, wouldn't it be as easy as a system("some-applet")?
Dec 06 06:56:21 <AStorm> or are they done in a hacky plugin way?
Dec 06 06:56:49 <AStorm> (then it would be threading to fix it, or clone syscall)
Dec 06 06:58:03 <AStorm> (plus some signal watchdog)
Dec 06 06:58:21 <zakkm> how did you get yours to take 11mb
Dec 06 06:58:31 <zakkm> i think thats why my nokia is slow, goes into swap so fast
Dec 06 06:58:33 <AStorm> eh, why oh why can't I have unlimited time...
Dec 06 06:58:37 <AStorm> zakkm, nothing at all
Dec 06 06:58:56 <AStorm> exactly, I'm running xchat here, browser, terminal etc.
Dec 06 06:59:02 <zakkm> did you clone from sd ?
Dec 06 06:59:04 <AStorm> pidgin
Dec 06 06:59:07 <AStorm> no
Dec 06 06:59:10 <AStorm> it's jffs2
Dec 06 06:59:51 <AStorm> personally, I'd use device-manager instead if going to such a low level
Dec 06 07:00:03 <zakkm> ?
Dec 06 07:00:07 <zakkm> device-manager?
Dec 06 07:00:08 <AStorm> and raid0 the partitions
Dec 06 07:00:11 <AStorm> yup
Dec 06 07:00:43 <zakkm> i dont get it :(
Dec 06 07:00:51 <AStorm> get 512M of space (about) for system
Dec 06 07:00:58 <AStorm> and rest unraided for stuff
Dec 06 07:01:19 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, did you see: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ke-recv/src/fremantle-format-internal-memory-card.sh ?
Dec 06 07:01:44 <AStorm> I did reformat my card manually
Dec 06 07:02:07 <AStorm> as per ITT
Dec 06 07:02:34 <zakkm> where is {1}  < -- defined?
Dec 06 07:02:44 <AStorm> commandline
Dec 06 07:02:49 <AStorm> first arg
Dec 06 07:03:04 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, "o, they're now making partitions?
Dec 06 07:03:15 <AStorm> what for?
Dec 06 07:03:31 <AStorm> swap partitions are overrated and pointless
Dec 06 07:03:41 <GeneralAntilles> Well, more interesting is the size
Dec 06 07:03:43 <zakkm> ohh
Dec 06 07:03:44 <acydlord> swap partitions are so 1996
Dec 06 07:03:50 <zakkm> wanted to ask if you dont mind
Dec 06 07:03:52 <AStorm> swapfiles are just as fast... unless there is hibernation...
Dec 06 07:04:10 <zakkm> if i leave my nokia idle, does it matter that i leave stuff open much
Dec 06 07:04:14 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, hmm, indeed
Dec 06 07:04:19 <AStorm> a bit too large
Dec 06 07:04:19 <zakkm> or should i close everything, if leaving it for more than like 20min
Dec 06 07:04:32 <AStorm> zakkm, shouldn't
Dec 06 07:04:33 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, too large for what, though? 512MB of RAM? :P
Dec 06 07:04:42 <acydlord> i've left it idle with crap running for days
Dec 06 07:04:48 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, no, for the mmc chip
Dec 06 07:05:05 <AStorm> they must've added a new one...
Dec 06 07:05:24 <AStorm> so, the next device will have 3G internal mem and 512 MB ram
Dec 06 07:05:24 <acydlord> i'm sad my n810 doesnt have the epicly huge operating time on battery it had for the firt week after i got it back from repairs
Dec 06 07:05:28 <zakkm> cause im thinking its better to get things from systray
Dec 06 07:05:33 <zakkm> than to open them
Dec 06 07:05:34 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, well, that all adds up to 2.75GB, so it's certainly bigger than the N810's. :P
Dec 06 07:05:50 <zakkm> 512mb ram
Dec 06 07:05:51 <zakkm> wtf
Dec 06 07:05:53 <AStorm> n900? Ä:P
Dec 06 07:05:56 <zakkm> that would run maemo so well :P
Dec 06 07:06:00 <zakkm> 3420 and 512mb ram ;p
Dec 06 07:06:13 <AStorm> that would run full Xfce well
Dec 06 07:06:15 <zakkm> forget optimizations :)
Dec 06 07:06:20 <zakkm> screw xfce ;p
Dec 06 07:06:31 <AStorm> xfce is nicer for small screen
Dec 06 07:06:32 <GeneralAntilles> There's a variety of other plausible explanations, of course, but it does suggest more than 256MB
Dec 06 07:06:35 <AStorm> tested myself
Dec 06 07:06:37 <zakkm> hello ipod touch like interface :P lol
Dec 06 07:06:48 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, yup, like, hibernation
Dec 06 07:06:59 <AStorm> zakkm, nah, better
Dec 06 07:07:00 <acydlord> if i wanted an ipod touch like interface i'd buy an ipod touch :p
Dec 06 07:07:12 <zakkm> lol
Dec 06 07:07:14 <AStorm> ipod touch has a mediocre interface
Dec 06 07:07:16 <acydlord> i just need to afford the n97 to stuck in my pocket with my n810
Dec 06 07:07:33 <AStorm> n900 with gprs quad modem?
Dec 06 07:07:37 <AStorm> gimme!
Dec 06 07:07:51 <AStorm> (and don't lose wifi)
Dec 06 07:07:57 <AStorm> (or bluetooth)
Dec 06 07:08:01 <GeneralAntilles> N97 fails to excite
Dec 06 07:08:04 <GeneralAntilles> Symbian just plain sucks
Dec 06 07:08:15 <AStorm> welll... yes
Dec 06 07:08:45 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, a Nokia exec mentioned Linux as a possible alternative to Symbian for Nokia's high-end phones in the future
Dec 06 07:08:49 <acydlord> well it would be nicer with maemo
Dec 06 07:08:56 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE4B16IO20081202
Dec 06 07:08:56 <acydlord> but i still like the n97
Dec 06 07:09:12 <GeneralAntilles> Maemo as it stands right now will suck for phones
Dec 06 07:09:25 <AStorm> not suck enough
Dec 06 07:09:27 <acydlord> so does android, but that doesnt stop anyone
Dec 06 07:09:33 <AStorm> just need a good phone app
Dec 06 07:09:34 <RST38h> Why would it suck?
Dec 06 07:09:45 <AStorm> something for sms/mms
Dec 06 07:09:46 <RST38h> AStorm <-- correct
Dec 06 07:09:49 <AStorm> and calls
Dec 06 07:10:07 <AStorm> decent contacts app too
Dec 06 07:10:14 <AStorm> rest is already there
Dec 06 07:10:15 <acydlord> lol, even if it did sms and no calls i'ditch my phone
Dec 06 07:10:19 <RST38h> You can't suck harder as a phone than WinMobile. Yet, it is everywhere.
Dec 06 07:10:30 <AStorm> :>
Dec 06 07:10:33 <zakkm> microb javascript needs to be faster ;p
Dec 06 07:10:49 <AStorm> zakkm, next device will have OMAP 3
Dec 06 07:10:56 <AStorm> so, the point is moot :P
Dec 06 07:10:58 <zakkm> i cant afford it
Dec 06 07:10:59 <acydlord> RST38h, apple sure is trying hard
Dec 06 07:11:03 <zakkm> only got n800 cause i found it for $145
Dec 06 07:11:08 <AStorm> heh
Dec 06 07:11:19 <AStorm> then port a webkit broser
Dec 06 07:11:24 <AStorm> *browser
Dec 06 07:11:33 <RST38h> Webkit has been ported to Maemo already
Dec 06 07:11:39 <zakkm> theres tear or something
Dec 06 07:11:43 <RST38h> yep
Dec 06 07:11:49 <AStorm> hmm? oh... link?
Dec 06 07:11:55 <RST38h> google? =)
Dec 06 07:12:02 <GeneralAntilles> Or wait for MicroB to be upgraded to a recent Firefox release
Dec 06 07:12:22 <RST38h> General: People who tried the beta say it is not significantly better
Dec 06 07:12:24 <zakkm> should i wait for fennec/microb update?
Dec 06 07:12:25 <AStorm> and flash too?
Dec 06 07:12:28 <RST38h> Crashier - yes
Dec 06 07:12:39 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, er, which beta? :\
Dec 06 07:12:44 <RST38h> Fennec
Dec 06 07:12:47 <zakkm> i want to be able to use google docs, and it doesnt quite seem worth it the speed its at now
Dec 06 07:12:51 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, Fennec != MicroB
Dec 06 07:13:03 <AStorm> I haven't noticed Fennec crashing
Dec 06 07:13:06 <GeneralAntilles> and it's not beta yet
Dec 06 07:13:12 <GeneralAntilles> Fennec is just about to hit alpha 2
Dec 06 07:13:19 <GeneralAntilles> which should have a lot of performance improvements.
Dec 06 07:13:20 <AStorm> although its "springy" ui is annoying
Dec 06 07:13:23 <RST38h> General: Well, you asked about the most recent FF release and it does not get recentlier than fennec =)
Dec 06 07:13:33 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, I didn't "ask" anything
Dec 06 07:13:39 <AStorm> I enable the bars instead of scrolling often
Dec 06 07:13:39 <zakkm> i like microb :(
Dec 06 07:13:39 <RST38h> ok ok
Dec 06 07:13:43 <zakkm> except speed of course
Dec 06 07:13:49 <zakkm> but the buttons and all
Dec 06 07:13:51 <AStorm> microb could use autozoom
Dec 06 07:13:57 * RST38h won't argue semantic details with a wikipedian :()
Dec 06 07:14:01 <AStorm> other than that, it's fine
Dec 06 07:14:41 <RST38h> MicroB flash plugin times itself by busy-looping on gettimeofday()
Dec 06 07:14:52 <AStorm> yup
Dec 06 07:15:02 <zakkm> feature and ui, microb is fine :)
Dec 06 07:15:09 * zakkm hates speed of microb ;p
Dec 06 07:15:18 <AStorm> speed is ok
Dec 06 07:15:18 <RST38h> And, also, "fit to width" feature has to be fixed (but not removed, hopefully)
Dec 06 07:15:27 <GeneralAntilles> It's gone in Fremantle
Dec 06 07:15:28 <AStorm> your webpages just suck :>
Dec 06 07:15:28 <RST38h> Speed is fine withme
Dec 06 07:15:37 <RST38h> General: that will suck.
Dec 06 07:15:38 <zakkm> lol
Dec 06 07:15:46 <RST38h> Not generally, but for a few pages =(
Dec 06 07:15:49 <zakkm> would like to goto google docs on it, and engadget
Dec 06 07:15:52 <zakkm> and no im not rss reading
Dec 06 07:15:55 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, did they at least add fenneclike zoom?
Dec 06 07:16:00 <zakkm> whats with the android 1.0 on n800 ?
Dec 06 07:16:07 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, we don't have any UI details yet.
Dec 06 07:16:08 <AStorm> zakkm, engadget is ok
Dec 06 07:16:17 <GeneralAntilles> But, presumably, they're not stupid. :P
Dec 06 07:16:35 <RST38h> General: The main usage case for the fit-to-width is really zooming (for better readability) and still having the whole page
Dec 06 07:16:49 <RST38h> So, that one will be gone in Fremantle
Dec 06 07:17:09 * RST38h has some doubts about the "not stupid" part but will not elaborate.
Dec 06 07:17:34 <AStorm> hm
Dec 06 07:18:03 <AStorm> it was a nice, although slow, feature
Dec 06 07:18:30 * zakkm thinks there is too much hype about fremantle,
Dec 06 07:18:37 <RST38h> what hype?
Dec 06 07:18:56 <zakkm> i saw on itt forum how like how bugs supposely say like "fixed in fremantle"
Dec 06 07:19:05 <RST38h> if you mean "will be all fixed in fremantle" claims, they are neither hype nor right
Dec 06 07:19:05 <AStorm> it probably will be as nice as expected
Dec 06 07:19:08 <zakkm> and then like new browser for fremantle.. right now
Dec 06 07:19:12 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, right, that idiotic thread.
Dec 06 07:19:26 * RST38h is pretty sure a lot of things will actually get broken in fremantle with no recourse
Dec 06 07:19:35 <AStorm> yup
Dec 06 07:19:47 <zakkm> bugs have to happen with so many packages and even in one package
Dec 06 07:19:50 <AStorm> so, there will be a few bugfix releases
Dec 06 07:20:05 <RST38h> like...2? or 3? :)
Dec 06 07:20:18 <zakkm> i want performance improvements :)
Dec 06 07:20:20 <AStorm> releases, yes
Dec 06 07:20:24 <AStorm> upgrades, more
Dec 06 07:20:25 <zakkm> though i think mer will beat fremantle release
Dec 06 07:20:32 <zakkm> making fremantle release quite worthless lol
Dec 06 07:20:32 <AStorm> nah
Dec 06 07:20:42 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, Mer wont have Fremantle's UI.
Dec 06 07:20:43 <RST38h> zakkm: and you call fremantle "hype"?
Dec 06 07:20:57 <zakkm> they changing the ui?
Dec 06 07:20:58 <AStorm> I just hope they'll bash skype to make 2.x build for armel
Dec 06 07:21:06 <AStorm> some
Dec 06 07:21:12 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, quite radically
Dec 06 07:21:23 <zakkm> any screenshots
Dec 06 07:21:25 <zakkm> or mockups?
Dec 06 07:21:29 <GeneralAntilles> zakkm, no.
Dec 06 07:21:37 <zakkm> so hype? :P
Dec 06 07:21:45 <RST38h> zakkm: the best approximation is probably Moblin
Dec 06 07:21:47 <GeneralAntilles> :roll:
Dec 06 07:21:48 <AStorm> hm, so, stupid left bar going away finally?
Dec 06 07:21:55 <RST38h> How close approximation we do not know
Dec 06 07:22:00 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, likely.
Dec 06 07:22:16 <RST38h> Hey, leave that left bar alone!
Dec 06 07:22:25 <AStorm> it's pointless
Dec 06 07:22:33 <AStorm> app list is on button
Dec 06 07:22:44 <AStorm> only menus have to be moved
Dec 06 07:22:48 <zakkm> wow
Dec 06 07:22:52 <zakkm> moblin looks pretty cool
Dec 06 07:23:50 <zakkm> oh wow its so late
Dec 06 07:23:54 <zakkm> going to bed, night guys! :P
Dec 06 07:24:29 <RST38h> Oil <$40/barrel hehehehe
Dec 06 07:24:30 <AStorm> oh wow, it's so early here ;)
Dec 06 07:26:00 <AStorm> personally, I'd have the menus on some button
Dec 06 07:27:22 <AStorm> and hopefully n9xx will have the dpad in a more accessible place... or better kinetic scrolling
Dec 06 07:27:26 <Proteous> you and your button fetish
Dec 06 07:27:37 <Proteous> no buttons FTW
Dec 06 07:27:43 <Proteous> just put a button behind the screen...
Dec 06 07:27:58 <AStorm> hm? :P
Dec 06 07:28:03 <Proteous> mind controlled n9xx!!
Dec 06 07:28:29 <AStorm> heh, I at least tried to be serious
Dec 06 07:29:06 <Proteous> *interupting serious talk since 1995*
Dec 06 07:29:21 <AStorm> oh, and a hardware reset
Dec 06 07:29:37 <AStorm> it is unfortunately sometimes required
Dec 06 07:29:50 <Proteous> not as required as my need for doorstops
Dec 06 07:30:08 <Proteous> so many doors so little expensive electronic devices to hold them open
Dec 06 07:31:16 <AStorm> use books, they're cheaper
Dec 06 07:31:55 <Proteous> no no, I only use dead exspensive electronic devices
Dec 06 07:35:20 <AStorm> btw, are there some fennec nightly builds around?
Dec 06 07:35:54 <AStorm> in a nice .deb form
Dec 06 07:36:08 <Proteous> and a side of milk and cookies
Dec 06 07:36:23 <Proteous> oatmeal cookies would be a plus
Dec 06 07:37:54 <AStorm> are you off your meds or something? :p
Dec 06 07:38:09 <Proteous> heh, sorry
Dec 06 07:41:37 <Proteous> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430200
Dec 06 07:41:39 <Proteous> happy?
Dec 06 07:42:47 <AStorm> I noticed a google group thread too :>
Dec 06 07:46:44 <gnuton> 'morning
Dec 06 07:46:53 <Proteous> mornin
Dec 06 07:50:03 <jrayhawk> Once Linux acquires USB support for it, the Emotiv EPOC would enable mind control of your Nokia.
Dec 06 08:03:27 <AStorm> hmmhmm
Dec 06 08:03:44 <AStorm> fennec works better than I thought after ondemand fixes
Dec 06 08:09:57 <AStorm> and it crashed... oh well
Dec 06 08:09:59 <AStorm> :P
Dec 06 08:10:24 <qwerty12> as you say that, nautilus crashes...
Dec 06 08:12:53 <RST38h> Hildonized Nautilus?
Dec 06 08:13:09 <qwerty12> hehe, nautilus on my desktop
Dec 06 08:13:44 <AStorm> and another crash... drat
Dec 06 08:13:58 <AStorm> I really need a newer nightly
Dec 06 08:14:51 <AStorm> probably crashes due to malloc failure :P
Dec 06 08:16:20 <AStorm> it takes 31 MB and also enlarges Xomap
Dec 06 08:19:21 <RST38h> Subject: EnLaRGE YouR XoMAP!
Dec 06 08:30:29 <liri> heya
Dec 06 08:34:42 <AStorm> btw, where are fennec tinderbox builds stored?
Dec 06 08:45:31 * Stskeeps yawns
Dec 06 08:48:02 <Stskeeps> you know it's saturday morning when you start typing in your irc nickname as login for mail services instead
Dec 06 08:49:24 * qwerty12 jumps for joy as he fixes the stand on his n800
Dec 06 08:49:30 <Stskeeps> woo
Dec 06 08:49:35 <Stskeeps> glue and ducttape? :P
Dec 06 08:49:42 <liri> does kdepimpi supports sync'ing with google for calendar/contacts?
Dec 06 08:49:55 <FreeSoul> hi guys :) can anybody tell me the bogomips that Nokia N810 cpu has?
Dec 06 08:49:56 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, no, just forcing the screw down and turning the screw with my finger :D
Dec 06 08:50:40 <Stskeeps> FreeSoul: mine says 397.46 atm
Dec 06 08:50:43 <qwerty12> FreeSoul, 397.46 when it's running at its highest speed
Dec 06 08:50:55 <FreeSoul> qwerty12: perfect!!!!
Dec 06 08:51:15 <FreeSoul> and other question: does anybody of you knows who ported android to the N810?
Dec 06 08:51:34 * Stskeeps points to qwerty12, solca, .. other insane people
Dec 06 08:52:29 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I did the old port (with code that wasn't mine) :). I think freesoul is talking about the NthCode as that is the one that is talked about as I don't solca talked about his one much :/
Dec 06 08:52:33 <qwerty12> FreeSoul, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247259
Dec 06 08:55:05 <FreeSoul> guys I can explain my problem... maybe you can address me. I've a Benq MID S6 that runs on an Intel Atom (x86) cpu and it comes with Midinux. It's linux but as linux user I can't sopport to use such a bad designed software. It comes with kernel 2.6.18-22 and all drivers, kernel, and all software is opensource. I need someone to port drivers to a more recent kernel like 2.6.25 to run android or an decent linux distribution. Can anybod
Dec 06 08:55:30 <Stskeeps> please split up your sentences..
Dec 06 08:55:41 <FreeSoul> Stskeeps: ok sorry
Dec 06 08:56:18 <FreeSoul> the idea is this: i've kernel 2.6.18-22 and full drivers opensource. I need to port the drivers to a recent kernel like the 2.6.25
Dec 06 08:56:29 <AStorm> FreeSoul, android is for arm afaicr
Dec 06 08:56:40 <AStorm> which drivers?
Dec 06 08:58:03 <FreeSoul> AStorm: touchscreen, poulsbo, wifi, gsensor, and so on... some are allready supported... but wifi for example is not, neither the hsdpa module
Dec 06 08:58:23 <RST38h> FreeSoul: What is the problem then? Port the drivers and be happy
Dec 06 08:58:32 <AStorm> are these binary drivers?
Dec 06 08:58:42 <AStorm> RST38h, easier to say than do
Dec 06 08:58:48 <FreeSoul> AStorm: yes but I've also the source code
Dec 06 08:59:22 <AStorm> I could help you if I had time to spare :/
Dec 06 08:59:31 <AStorm> but, now, not
Dec 06 08:59:35 <RST38h> AStorm: well, that it a beauty of open source - he has all the source code so he can easily port it
Dec 06 08:59:42 <RST38h> ;)
Dec 06 08:59:49 <AStorm> s/easily//
Dec 06 08:59:50 <AStorm> :P
Dec 06 08:59:58 <AStorm> it's code for kernel 6 versions old
Dec 06 09:00:12 <Stskeeps> FreeSoul: did you check if someone else ported it? wouldn't surprise me
Dec 06 09:00:17 <FreeSoul> RST38h: i've never developed anything for the kernel... it's not all tat easy
Dec 06 09:00:18 <AStorm> sorry, 8 versions now
Dec 06 09:00:27 <FreeSoul> Stskeeps: yeah, nobody :(
Dec 06 09:00:32 <RST38h> AStorm: Whether he his professionally capable is a different thing
Dec 06 09:00:38 <RST38h> ;)
Dec 06 09:00:47 <RST38h> FreeSoul: Oh well, then use XP
Dec 06 09:01:02 <AStorm> on atom? mwhahaha...hahah
Dec 06 09:01:05 <FreeSoul> RST38h: i prefer to commit suicide instead of use xp
Dec 06 09:01:07 <AStorm> on a mid
Dec 06 09:01:17 <RST38h> The way I see it you have three options:
Dec 06 09:01:18 <AStorm> even xp mobile would be hard
Dec 06 09:01:20 <FreeSoul> RST38h: and I dunno what to do with a windows pc....
Dec 06 09:01:24 <Stskeeps> FreeSoul: how is your battery time on midlinux?
Dec 06 09:01:26 <Stskeeps> .. just curious
Dec 06 09:01:34 <RST38h> 1) port drivers to the newer kernel 2) use XP 3) commit suicide
Dec 06 09:01:43 <RST38h> Choose one
Dec 06 09:01:48 <AStorm> r) pay someone to port the drivers
Dec 06 09:01:55 <AStorm> 4)
Dec 06 09:01:58 <RST38h> Yea, correct
Dec 06 09:02:04 <Stskeeps> m) be test puppy for Mer on i386
Dec 06 09:02:04 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 09:02:14 * Stskeeps ponders why X doesn't start
Dec 06 09:02:24 <AStorm> nah, kernel doesn't have drivers
Dec 06 09:02:32 <AStorm> Stskeeps, did you change the kernel?
Dec 06 09:02:42 <FreeSoul> Stskeeps: if you keep touchscreen light down (low, i don't mean switched off) it can last for 5 hours i think... of course it depends on the usage of networking you do... it's not a really long charge... but it's acceptable
Dec 06 09:02:43 <Stskeeps> AStorm: not yet
Dec 06 09:02:48 <AStorm> if so, you have to rebuild Xomap vs its headers...
Dec 06 09:03:04 <AStorm> or at least video driver
Dec 06 09:04:14 <Stskeeps> AStorm: -omapfb driver
Dec 06 09:04:19 <Stskeeps> but i suspect i might know why now
Dec 06 09:04:43 <FreeSoul> brb sorry
Dec 06 09:05:03 <AStorm> Stskeeps, do you have a mer build env done in a nice download form?
Dec 06 09:05:17 <AStorm> like, click and build? :P
Dec 06 09:06:12 <Stskeeps> AStorm: sdk or image builder? :P right now it's a strange system of shell scripts, on bzr lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager :P
Dec 06 09:06:21 <AStorm> guess I'd have to revisit debian packaging
Dec 06 09:06:47 <AStorm> sdk
Dec 06 09:07:06 <Stskeeps> ah, then no - we need someone to tinker with sb2 properly
Dec 06 09:07:12 <Stskeeps> or sb1 for that sake
Dec 06 09:07:24 <AStorm> need to build a bunch of debs and sbox is horrible
Dec 06 09:07:28 <AStorm> hmm
Dec 06 09:08:05 <Stskeeps> we primarily native-build atm, but wouldn't mind sb2 going as well :P
Dec 06 09:08:50 <AStorm> native-build is ok
Dec 06 09:09:07 <Stskeeps> as armel builds are deadly slow
Dec 06 09:09:19 <AStorm> as long as the app is small enough... :/
Dec 06 09:09:52 <FreeSoul> AStorm: can i write you privately?
Dec 06 09:10:02 <AStorm> sure, /msg away
Dec 06 09:18:33 <Stskeeps> morning, lcuk
Dec 06 09:18:46 <lcuk> urgleburgle
Dec 06 09:19:16 <lcuk> hiya sts
Dec 06 09:19:50 * qwerty12 <3's his dirty hack to maemo-gtk for permanent wrap around menus
Dec 06 09:19:53 <qwerty12> hi lcuk
Dec 06 09:20:12 <lcuk> nice qwerty
Dec 06 09:20:44 <Stskeeps> what do you mean by wrap around menus, btw?
Dec 06 09:21:04 <qwerty12> by pressing up when at the top of a menu, it goes to the bottom and vice versa
Dec 06 09:21:15 <qwerty12> instead of staying stuck at the top when pressing up
Dec 06 09:21:40 <qwerty12> compare pressing up in a menu on the tablet and pressing up in a menu on a gtk program on the computer
Dec 06 09:21:47 <Stskeeps> ah
Dec 06 09:21:51 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 06 09:22:17 <lcuk> willy wonka menus.  theres more stuff past the top floor
Dec 06 09:22:55 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, seems nokia or gtk people have a thing against libtool too: "	 -e 's/^hardcode_libdir_flag_spec.*$$/hardcode_libdir_flag_spec=" -D__LIBTOOL_IS_A_FOOL__ "/' \" :P
Dec 06 09:23:53 <Stskeeps> mm, sortof
Dec 06 09:25:55 <Stskeeps> i have a weird screenshot on my hildon and i'm not 100% sure it's because of an error
Dec 06 09:26:29 <Stskeeps> cos it vaguely makes sense
Dec 06 09:27:01 <Stskeeps> sec, taking a scrshot :P
Dec 06 09:27:37 <lcuk> Stskeeps, ive been having that sort of feeling for months
Dec 06 09:27:59 <lcuk> widget number 1 is taking shape nicely
Dec 06 09:28:06 <Stskeeps> lo meiz
Dec 06 09:29:46 <lcuk> mmmm topless skydivers
Dec 06 09:34:31 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png
Dec 06 09:35:52 <lcuk> heh Stskeeps thats b0rkened
Dec 06 09:36:03 <lcuk> is part of it the default x11 core background
Dec 06 09:36:23 <Stskeeps> lcuk: it's broken yes, but it's funny how hildon puts the widgets
Dec 06 09:36:46 <Stskeeps> especially because the version we're basing on is for fremantle..
Dec 06 09:37:20 <lcuk> o.O
Dec 06 09:38:36 <Stskeeps> how does N97 interface look like again when on the side?
Dec 06 09:39:19 <aquatix> http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/nokia-unveils-flagship-n97-phone/
Dec 06 09:39:48 <lcuk> i dunno, but i have started keeping my nokia in portrait and all my tests are going for automatic rotations
Dec 06 09:40:25 <aquatix> Stskeeps: http://www.engadget.com/tag/N97/ has some more
Dec 06 09:40:42 <lcuk> http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-unveils-flagship-n97-phone/1196504/
Dec 06 09:40:44 <Stskeeps> AStorm: if i didn't know better these two screenshots are similar..
Dec 06 09:40:46 <Stskeeps> er
Dec 06 09:40:48 <Stskeeps> aquatix:
Dec 06 09:41:17 * Stskeeps tries to see where the difference is
Dec 06 09:42:07 <aquatix> Stskeeps: which two exactly?
Dec 06 09:42:34 <Stskeeps> aquatix: well i just ran a hildon-desktop which is tagged for fremantle
Dec 06 09:42:39 <Stskeeps> and the layout is different than usua
Dec 06 09:42:39 <Stskeeps> l
Dec 06 09:42:47 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png
Dec 06 09:42:59 <aquatix> yeah, saw it
Dec 06 09:43:00 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 06 09:43:16 <Stskeeps> with two desktop bars and an area below
Dec 06 09:43:24 <aquatix> and you mean that it looks like n97?
Dec 06 09:43:36 <Stskeeps> yeah, well, structure wise
Dec 06 09:43:40 <Stskeeps> obviously not as pretty right now :P
Dec 06 09:43:46 <aquatix> :)
Dec 06 09:43:47 <aquatix> indeed
Dec 06 09:43:51 <aquatix> interesting
Dec 06 09:44:14 * aquatix checks the videos from the 2nd of december
Dec 06 09:44:41 <lcuk> the ui looks bad - she keeps doing that horrid unintuitive side swipe http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/nokia-n97-video-hands-on/
Dec 06 09:45:01 <aquatix> looking at that now
Dec 06 09:45:12 <aquatix> that side swipe doesn't have an animation
Dec 06 09:45:16 <aquatix> which makes it weird
Dec 06 09:45:23 <aquatix> in the demo video there was an animation
Dec 06 09:45:36 <aquatix> then it suddenly makes sense
Dec 06 09:45:45 <RST38h> lcuk: this is not the final UI
Dec 06 09:46:06 <aquatix> i think they are still working on the transitions and such
Dec 06 09:46:07 <lcuk> mine isnt either, but its sensible
Dec 06 09:46:53 <RST38h> yours does not qualify for UI yet =)
Dec 06 09:47:13 <RST38h> unless I have missed some update =)
Dec 06 09:47:37 <lcuk> why? because i chose to build apps in it which interested me and decided not to do a media player?
Dec 06 09:48:27 <RST38h> you decided to skip the ui
Dec 06 09:48:38 <RST38h> implemented features but no ui
Dec 06 09:48:40 <lcuk> yes, and got on with using it
Dec 06 09:48:41 <aquatix> well, it doesn't have a UI environment, like for example a fixed menu or status bar or a small navigation bar
Dec 06 09:49:24 <aquatix> lcuk: if i want to do something else in liqbase, i have to go back to the main menu first
Dec 06 09:49:45 <aquatix> and there's no good way to see immediately in what app i'm in
Dec 06 09:49:47 <aquatix> just saying :)
Dec 06 09:49:48 <RST38h> a strip of icons (like in a digital camera) is all I have been asking for :)
Dec 06 09:49:52 * aquatix likes liqbase a lot
Dec 06 09:50:29 * lcuk would take notes, but liqbase is in pieces
Dec 06 09:50:37 <RST38h> context dependent and overlayed onto the screen
Dec 06 09:50:51 <aquatix> lcuk: :)
Dec 06 09:51:02 * aquatix gives lcuk some paper and a pencil
Dec 06 09:51:04 <lcuk> cant we just extend the screen so its not overlayed
Dec 06 09:51:05 * aquatix runs, hard
Dec 06 09:51:16 <aquatix> s/hard/fast
Dec 06 09:51:22 <lcuk> aquatix, no need, i have pad infront of me
Dec 06 09:52:11 * lcuk wants to replace that with a tablet
Dec 06 09:52:30 * lcuk also wants to replace his pinboard
Dec 06 09:53:18 * aquatix doesn't have a pinboard, and only now and then uses paper
Dec 06 09:53:35 <aquatix> maybe i should use my n810 more for drawing
Dec 06 09:53:44 <lcuk> i only use paper when i cant fit my ideas onto nokia
Dec 06 09:54:07 <lcuk> and even then when ive finished i copy whats on paper onto nokia - i wish it was automatic digital transfer tho
Dec 06 09:54:41 <aquatix> it'd need a semi-highres camera and some ocr
Dec 06 09:55:36 <lcuk> no, it just needs me havign a slate :)
Dec 06 09:55:47 <lcuk> and an asus top as my desktop monitor
Dec 06 09:55:52 <lcuk> and something else on the wall
Dec 06 09:56:13 * lcuk spits on bitmaps
Dec 06 09:56:22 * lcuk strokes ummm strokes
Dec 06 09:56:29 <aquatix> :)
Dec 06 09:56:33 <aquatix> vectors++
Dec 06 09:58:09 <lcuk> i see in the videos of the 97 its same kind of touchscreen as ours, ie not iphoneesq
Dec 06 09:58:34 <aquatix> yeah, resistive
Dec 06 09:58:50 <lcuk> the demo vids are done with fingernails - which makes me smile
Dec 06 09:58:56 <lcuk> cos that means stylus will work
Dec 06 09:58:58 <aquatix> :)
Dec 06 09:59:17 * lcuk ponders liqbase elsewhere
Dec 06 10:00:21 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: can you pastebin your /etc/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf for me?
Dec 06 10:00:33 <FreeSoul> which sw do you use if you need to hand write something? i mean, don't hand writing recognition, just drawing or writing... to use the touchscreen to take notes
Dec 06 10:01:05 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/d617737aa
Dec 06 10:01:18 <lcuk> FreeSoul, liqbase
Dec 06 10:01:27 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: yeah, definately different
Dec 06 10:01:36 <lcuk> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/       or  (and)     http://liqbase.net/
Dec 06 10:02:04 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: http://rafb.net/p/bfSLCg90.html (mers)
Dec 06 10:02:39 <FreeSoul> thanks lcuk
Dec 06 10:02:41 <aquatix> FreeSoul: liqbase works a lot better than the included Sketch
Dec 06 10:02:49 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, ooh. I guess the Rx-51 is getting a resolution upgrade...
Dec 06 10:03:15 * lcuk is so pleased he finally sussed out colored font rendering
Dec 06 10:03:25 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: what makes you think that?
Dec 06 10:03:59 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, X-Size-Width=480 from my N800 which has a res of 800x480 and X-Size-Width=800 from your file
Dec 06 10:04:10 <FreeSoul> aquatix: unfortnuately i've no a nokia tablet... i need a sw like this for my mid
Dec 06 10:04:12 <lcuk> orientation
Dec 06 10:04:18 <Stskeeps> yeah, orientation
Dec 06 10:04:26 <qwerty12> skeen
Dec 06 10:04:29 * qwerty12 hangs head in shame
Dec 06 10:04:39 <Stskeeps> still interesting though
Dec 06 10:04:43 <lcuk> FreeSoul, which OS are you using?
Dec 06 10:04:52 <Stskeeps> this one has been 17 months in making
Dec 06 10:05:08 <FreeSoul> lcuk: midinux (a mid version of red flag linux)
Dec 06 10:05:13 * lcuk publically flogs qwerty
Dec 06 10:05:22 <FreeSoul> lcuk: it runs on rpm
Dec 06 10:06:23 <lcuk> FreeSoul, i havent done much testing with liqbase on anything other than maemo (its developed entirely on device and VERY specific for it) theres an x86 build mode which removes the maemo specifics but im not sure it will work - are there no other general linux sketching tools arouns?
Dec 06 10:07:12 * lcuk will also make a note of looking in other communities for software in future ;)
Dec 06 10:07:51 <FreeSoul> lcuk: :)
Dec 06 10:10:47 <Stskeeps> Xournal
Dec 06 10:10:48 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 10:11:00 <lcuk> http://flickr.com/photos/jsmanrique/3086624756/sizes/o/
Dec 06 10:11:15 <Stskeeps> what's more important, horizontal space or vertical space?
Dec 06 10:11:23 <lcuk> mmm that address book looks familiar
Dec 06 10:11:32 <Stskeeps> for browsing, for instance
Dec 06 10:12:18 <lcuk> i cant use vnc or read things in widescreen
Dec 06 10:12:22 <lcuk> much
Dec 06 10:12:36 <lcuk> for some reason portrait is better for experience
Dec 06 10:12:44 <aquatix> Stskeeps: i like widescreen better for browsing
Dec 06 10:12:48 <aquatix> 480px is too narrow
Dec 06 10:13:40 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/newhildon2.png
Dec 06 10:13:53 <lcuk> ewww letterbox
Dec 06 10:14:15 <Stskeeps> lcuk: in their defense this doesn't have a proper theme on it
Dec 06 10:14:15 <aquatix> Stskeeps: that's a lot of chrome wasting screen real estate imho
Dec 06 10:14:22 <lcuk> but WOW you have a browser in there
Dec 06 10:14:43 <Stskeeps> aquatix: can always go fullscreen
Dec 06 10:15:04 <aquatix> Stskeeps: of course, but maemo by default already has more space available for it
Dec 06 10:15:06 <Stskeeps> aquatix: i'm on plankton theme though, so it might look ugly :P
Dec 06 10:15:23 <aquatix> i'm ignoring the looks :)
Dec 06 10:15:39 <aquatix> barely ;)
Dec 06 10:15:54 <lcuk> squint a bit and look past them
Dec 06 10:21:39 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: what version of hildon-desktop?
Dec 06 10:22:03 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, 1:2.0.18-1fix1
Dec 06 10:23:18 <Stskeeps> ok.. cos that's funny, the source package put out has different desktop.conf
Dec 06 10:23:48 <qwerty12> meh, maybe its been modified when hildon desktop runs in safe mode
Dec 06 10:24:29 <Stskeeps> mm, true
Dec 06 10:25:10 <Stskeeps> or that it was part of an SSU and hence everyone had proper themes already in .osso
Dec 06 10:26:16 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, well, here's the one from the latest ssu: http://pastebin.com/d511abe95
Dec 06 10:27:01 <Stskeeps> yeah, i just realized src package doesn't match deb on the repo
Dec 06 10:28:38 <Stskeeps> nm
Dec 06 10:38:02 <lardman> morning
Dec 06 10:38:14 <qwerty12> hi lardman
Dec 06 10:38:25 <lardman> hi qwerty12, how's things
Dec 06 10:38:37 <qwerty12> all good here, thanks :)
Dec 06 10:42:02 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: my worry is that it might not work sanely without BME (charging battery)..
Dec 06 10:42:19 <Stskeeps> "my nokia exploded in my pocket because i installed android on it!"
Dec 06 10:42:20 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 10:42:47 <lardman> Stskeeps: it probably just won't charge
Dec 06 10:43:01 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: My n810 did not blow up, it was charging many hourswith android running
Dec 06 10:43:05 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 06 10:43:06 <lardman> which might make forays into Android reasonably brief
Dec 06 10:43:16 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: solcas or?
Dec 06 10:43:52 <Meizirkki> Solcas
Dec 06 10:44:01 <Meizirkki> Solcas and roi
Dec 06 10:44:03 <Meizirkki> d
Dec 06 10:44:06 <Meizirkki> is better
Dec 06 10:45:25 <qwerty12> Did solca upload the patch set? The only thing stopping me from trying is that the touchscreen isn't functional unless you patch the ts2301 driver
Dec 06 10:45:33 <qwerty12> *functional for N800
Dec 06 10:45:39 * Meizirkki will flash back to diablos kernel... (waiting for solca to upload kernel with working wifi
Dec 06 10:47:05 <Meizirkki> Maemo did not boot...
Dec 06 10:47:07 <Meizirkki> ?
Dec 06 10:47:32 <Meizirkki>  not it boots :)
Dec 06 10:47:36 <Meizirkki> *now
Dec 06 10:48:09 <Stskeeps> with new oro ld kernel?
Dec 06 10:48:24 <Stskeeps> s/o ld/old
Dec 06 10:51:08 <lardman> hmm, maemo bugs has gone tu
Dec 06 10:51:15 <Stskeeps> yeah, downtime today
Dec 06 10:51:22 <lardman> ah
Dec 06 10:51:36 * lardman should remember to read the notices from time to time... :)
Dec 06 10:51:38 <lardman> thanks
Dec 06 10:52:28 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: I flashed back to diablos original kernel
Dec 06 10:53:05 <Meizirkki> it would be cool if solcas kernel would work with maemo
Dec 06 10:53:15 <Meizirkki> :P
Dec 06 10:55:05 <Stskeeps> with a bit of hacking it possibly could
Dec 06 10:55:10 <Stskeeps> but with the new wifi driver
Dec 06 10:55:49 <Meiz_n810> Is the new wifi driver better than the old one?
Dec 06 10:55:57 <Stskeeps> depends on definitiion
Dec 06 10:56:06 <Stskeeps> as stable? probably not
Dec 06 10:57:07 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 06 10:57:51 <Meiz_n810> what does the RD mode do?
Dec 06 10:58:08 <Meiz_n810> power up is "faster"
Dec 06 10:58:19 <Meiz_n810> one short click
Dec 06 10:59:00 <Meiz_n810> sun works
Dec 06 10:59:07 <Meiz_n810> su*
Dec 06 10:59:16 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 06 11:06:15 * Stskeeps seperates hildon desktop layout from hildon desktop program.
Dec 06 11:06:34 <Stskeeps> should make it easier to make custom desktop layouts
Dec 06 11:08:32 <Stskeeps> (want widescreen maemo? make a layout!)
Dec 06 11:09:26 <lardman> Meiz_n810: R&D mode also gives the blurb at boot and allows you to use gainroot to gain root
Dec 06 11:11:05 <lcuk> morning lardman
Dec 06 11:12:27 <lardman> hi lcuk
Dec 06 11:13:17 <lcuk> damn my phone being out of credit, the one time i actually really want a blt and have a chance of getting one and i cant txt and SOS to tracy
Dec 06 11:14:20 <lardman> lol
Dec 06 11:14:31 <lardman> sms from office to kitchen?
Dec 06 11:14:36 <lardman> couldn't you shout?
Dec 06 11:14:52 <lcuk> no, shes just finishing work at the shop now - if i wanted a blt i need supplies
Dec 06 11:15:11 <lardman> ah
Dec 06 11:15:34 <lcuk> :D do you wanna send a random text to her askin her to get me bacon? :D
Dec 06 11:15:50 <lardman> lol
Dec 06 11:15:54 <lardman> yeah, if you want
Dec 06 11:16:01 <lardman> why not just phone?
Dec 06 11:16:02 <lcuk> "bring home the bacon"
Dec 06 11:16:08 <lardman> yeah, to Bath!
Dec 06 11:16:12 <lcuk> cos thats miles away
Dec 06 11:16:13 <lardman> mmm, bacon!
Dec 06 11:16:27 <lcuk> and im lazy this mornin
Dec 06 11:16:54 <lardman> http://www.freebiesms.co.uk/ or similar ;)
Dec 06 11:17:03 <lcuk> oooh but wont i get spammed
Dec 06 11:17:07 <lcuk> umm she
Dec 06 11:17:17 <qwerty12> ~lart scratchbox for still requiring patching of check-lxdialog.sh even in linux omap tree to use make menuconfig
Dec 06 11:17:17 * infobot plops scratchbox into a giant vat of herring for still requiring patching of check-lxdialog.sh even in linux omap tree to use make menuconfig
Dec 06 11:19:18 <lcuk> lardman, :O " For Messages sent to O2,Orange,3, Vodafone, Virgin Mobile, Guernsey, Jersey, Manx and T-Mobile networks, the recipient will have the option to pay £5 to read the message. "
Dec 06 11:19:35 <lcuk> thats not free
Dec 06 11:19:50 <suihkulokki> qwerty12: you could just make HOSTCC=host-gcc HOSTCXX=host-g++ make menuconfig
Dec 06 11:19:56 <qwerty12> lcuk, what network is she on?
Dec 06 11:19:59 <Stskeeps> 5 pound to read a message? neat
Dec 06 11:20:12 <lcuk> errrrrr o2
Dec 06 11:20:14 <lcuk> i think
Dec 06 11:20:22 <qwerty12> suihkulokki, ah, nice, but my dirty hack seems to be working :D
Dec 06 11:20:23 <lcuk> yeah she is infact
Dec 06 11:20:26 <glass_> £5?? lol
Dec 06 11:20:32 <qwerty12> lcuk, damn, you can do it to t-mobile for free :/
Dec 06 11:20:50 <lcuk> damn
Dec 06 11:20:56 <glass_> lcuk: start hunting for some free sms site, they go down pretty quickly but new sites spring up
Dec 06 11:20:56 <lcuk> oh gawd
Dec 06 11:21:04 <lcuk> "dad i done a poo" :| brb
Dec 06 11:24:21 <lcuk> glass_, ive had exactly one use for them in recent years and that was 5 minutes ago
Dec 06 11:25:22 <lardman> oh sorry, there used to be some completely free ones in the old days
Dec 06 11:26:00 <glass_> lardman: there are sometimes now too, but they go down pretty quickly..
Dec 06 11:26:25 <glass_> lardman: theres idiots who don't read theis sms gw contracts well enough, or people who abuse some system for a while to pipe them
Dec 06 11:26:36 <lardman> glass_: ok, I just read you comment
Dec 06 11:30:57 <qwerty12> lcuk, you may be able to find an email to sms gateway. 44<number>@mobile.celloneusa.com supposedly sends texts to O2-Uk networks but i'd try it with your own number 1st to see if it works
Dec 06 11:33:32 <RST38h> http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/008/12/next_nokia_full_touchscreen_device_leaked.htm
Dec 06 11:33:37 <RST38h> Enjoy
Dec 06 11:34:44 <Stskeeps> N900?
Dec 06 11:35:07 <Stskeeps> or not
Dec 06 11:35:08 <lcuk> is a bit late now since im home ( is mrs lcuk)
Dec 06 11:35:59 <mavhc> weird url, suffers from the year 3000 problem
Dec 06 11:36:06 <lardman> lcuk: (Mrs) did you bring bacon?
Dec 06 11:36:11 <t_s_o> heh, looks like someone took the samsung ui and slapped it onto a N810 in vertical...
Dec 06 11:36:17 <lardman> lcuk: Gary will be most disappointed if not ;)
Dec 06 11:37:19 <lcuk> no i didnt had no cash on me for once but anyway he wants a blt which isnt a proper bacon butty
Dec 06 11:37:20 <Stskeeps> RST38h: looks interesting but im not sure if it's a tablet or not :P
Dec 06 11:37:33 <qwerty12> hehe
Dec 06 11:37:37 <lardman> hmm, /me needs a built-in keyboard!
Dec 06 11:38:23 <lardman> looks like a phone though, on the rh image you can see it says "calls" and "message"
Dec 06 11:39:17 <Stskeeps> lcuk: hah @ qole picture :P
Dec 06 11:53:10 <Stskeeps> so, people with n810s.. what would you prefer your internal MMC to be like?
Dec 06 11:53:16 <liri> did anyone try that pigdin facebook chat plugin for maemo?
Dec 06 11:54:18 <Stskeeps> would you like it to be a ext2 partition, have a swap partition, be the usual place the OS saves your documents, or?
Dec 06 11:54:59 <lcuk> i just want it to be for static pre-installed data - i prefer not to write to it often
Dec 06 11:55:08 <lcuk> ill use the external one for that
Dec 06 11:55:11 <Stskeeps> internal mmc, not flash :P
Dec 06 11:55:17 <lcuk> yes
Dec 06 11:55:28 <lcuk> my 2gb - im happy its for maps mainly
Dec 06 11:55:39 <t_s_o> liri: iirc, it works
Dec 06 11:55:42 <lardman> Stskeeps: not swap!
Dec 06 11:55:59 <lardman> Stskeeps: it can't be replaced
Dec 06 11:56:21 * Stskeeps is still wondering about nokia's 768mb swap partition on internal MMC
Dec 06 11:56:24 <Meiz_n810> 2gb internal: 8mb fat, 1gb ext2/3 maemo, 756mb android, 256 swap
Dec 06 11:57:12 <Stskeeps> so you would prefer the OS to be in internal flash, and /home on internal MMC?
Dec 06 11:57:18 <lardman> Stskeeps: really, I've never even tried to enable swap
Dec 06 11:57:38 <liri> t_s_o: good to know, I'll try it
Dec 06 11:57:59 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: i want to have OS in internal MMC, because flash is so small
Dec 06 11:58:00 <lardman> Stskeeps: that would be a reasonable solution
Dec 06 11:58:23 <lardman> Meiz_n810: normally the os stuff is small compared to the stuff in home
Dec 06 11:59:04 <liri> whats up with that global communication device
Dec 06 11:59:24 <liri> I always forget the name. the one that replaces the current communication suite with sip and other protocols
Dec 06 11:59:39 <Meiz_n810> lardman: 256 jffs2 is too small even if /home is in internal MMC
Dec 06 11:59:57 <lardman> ymmv ;)
Dec 06 12:00:05 <lardman> works for me anyway
Dec 06 12:00:11 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: so far we're stuffing 300m in 130mb flash :P
Dec 06 12:00:27 <Meiz_n810> yep
Dec 06 12:00:48 <Stskeeps> i would really love something like unionfs.. except that it would fill up internal jffs first, and then flowover to external
Dec 06 12:00:52 <Stskeeps> er, internal mmc partition
Dec 06 12:04:58 <lardman> Stskeeps: is that a problem?
Dec 06 12:05:12 <Stskeeps> hm?
Dec 06 12:05:13 <lardman> and also, I presume it could be told which is the primary partition
Dec 06 12:05:19 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 06 12:05:24 <qwerty12> liri, rtcomm
Dec 06 12:06:01 <Stskeeps> i guess something like raid striping, but for fs's :P
Dec 06 12:06:34 <Stskeeps> so you have flash which ideally shouldn't be touched much (taken care of OS to not wear it -too- much), and MMC external
Dec 06 12:06:37 <Stskeeps> or something
Dec 06 12:06:53 <lardman> Stskeeps: I really wouldn'ty worry about the wear thing
Dec 06 12:07:31 * Stskeeps glances at aufs
Dec 06 12:08:29 * qwerty12 will always prefer aufs over unionfs on the tablets as you don't need to reflash the kernel
Dec 06 12:09:45 <lardman> what sort of size jpeg image do you want to be able to decode?
Dec 06 12:09:58 * lardman must set a limit
Dec 06 12:10:26 <Stskeeps> doesn't people usually make quite big jpgs initially?
Dec 06 12:11:00 <lardman> probably
Dec 06 12:11:05 <lardman> 10Mb?
Dec 06 12:11:34 * lardman wonders how much memory is actually left
Dec 06 12:11:34 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 06 12:20:02 * lardman looks for a calc that does hex
Dec 06 12:23:12 * Stskeeps ponders stumbling to the shop and get some lunc
Dec 06 12:23:13 <Stskeeps> h
Dec 06 12:24:55 <lcuk> lardman ./calc 0x20*3
Dec 06 12:25:37 <lcuk> i was after something similar so me n kot made one with perl ;)
Dec 06 12:25:38 <lcuk> echo $*
Dec 06 12:25:38 <lcuk> pcom="print $*;"
Dec 06 12:25:38 <lcuk> echo `perl -e "$pcom"`
Dec 06 12:25:44 <lardman> lcuk: turns out the standard ubuntu one works nicely
Dec 06 12:25:50 <lcuk> not on device
Dec 06 12:26:03 <lardman> no, but dsp programming is hard on device ;)
Dec 06 12:26:08 <lcuk> agreed
Dec 06 12:26:13 <lcuk> it shouldnt be though
Dec 06 12:26:32 <lardman> no toolchain
Dec 06 12:27:07 <lcuk> :'(
Dec 06 12:27:22 <lardman> I'd prefer to code on a PC tbh
Dec 06 12:27:28 <lcuk> so do i
Dec 06 12:27:36 <lcuk> and i do
Dec 06 12:27:40 <lcuk> its just i build on device
Dec 06 12:28:00 <lardman> each to his own :)
Dec 06 12:28:12 <lcuk> yeah, but thats the good thing about linux
Dec 06 12:29:16 <lardman> hmm, I wonder how many free tlbs I have....
Dec 06 12:29:25 * lardman searches the list for an old post
Dec 06 12:30:00 <lcuk> tlb?  aint that an activex type library
Dec 06 12:30:50 <lardman> translation look-aside buffer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_lookaside_buffer
Dec 06 12:31:16 <lcuk> ahhh
Dec 06 12:33:33 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps what is the nit-bootmenu-compat?
Dec 06 12:34:26 <lardman> ~6 it seems
Dec 06 12:35:07 <lcuk> that doesnt sound like a lot, but considering you are already in the most constrained place on the device it doesnt surprise me
Dec 06 12:35:43 <lardman> well that could map 6MB of shared memory
Dec 06 12:36:04 <lardman> though from my previous emails it looks like I had problems mapping more than 1MB at a time
Dec 06 12:39:59 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: former deblet-boot-basics
Dec 06 13:00:50 <lardman> to the shops! bbl
Dec 06 13:01:32 <AStorm> back from the shops ;)
Dec 06 13:07:19 <Stskeeps> shops: so geeks don't have to hunt for food
Dec 06 13:07:20 <Stskeeps> ;)
Dec 06 13:38:02 <`Mace_> wow
Dec 06 13:38:06 <`Mace_> boswars is very interesting
Dec 06 13:38:30 <`Mace_> it actually runs haha
Dec 06 13:39:35 <`Mace> wtf
Dec 06 13:39:40 <`Mace> someone registered `mace? :)
Dec 06 13:41:00 <lopz> hola
Dec 06 13:42:11 <lcuk> `Mace, you perhaps?
Dec 06 14:09:19 <trenka> ssvb: alive? :)
Dec 06 14:13:11 <ssvb> trenka: yes :)
Dec 06 14:14:25 <`Mace> boswars is friggin awesome for being something you can play on the n800
Dec 06 14:14:35 <`Mace> i'm sure it will be a lot better onc ei figure out what all the units do :)
Dec 06 14:14:53 <`Mace> makes one wonder if starcraft 1 could be put on an n800
Dec 06 14:14:55 <`Mace> looks about the same
Dec 06 14:24:58 * pupnik apt-gets boswars
Dec 06 14:30:47 <Stskeeps> `Mace: that looks like a neat timewaster..
Dec 06 14:54:40 <andre__> maemo.org Bugzilla Reorganization progress update for those that are interested: Need two hours longer than announced (due to myself, due to Bugzilla code, and due to some Nokians this morning)
Dec 06 14:55:20 <AStorm> Nokians? sounds like aliens
Dec 06 14:55:25 <AStorm> :P
Dec 06 14:55:40 <qwerty12_N800> I can't live without my bugzilla fix, and you're telling me I have to wait two more hours?!?
Dec 06 14:56:11 <andre__> qwerty12_N800, basically: yes. relax, get a coffee, realize there's a world out there too. ;-)
Dec 06 14:56:41 <ShadowJK> qwerty12_N800, you should've known there was something fishy when the first hits were free
Dec 06 14:56:44 <solca> hi!
Dec 06 14:56:54 <qwerty12_N800> andre__, I don't drink tea (or coffee) and bugzilla is my world!!!!
Dec 06 14:57:05 <solca> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=247312
Dec 06 14:57:06 <qwerty12_N800> ShadowJK, lol
Dec 06 14:57:10 <andre__> qwerty12_N800, same here. But right now only I have access and you not :-P
Dec 06 14:57:26 <solca> Meiz_n810: ?
Dec 06 14:57:35 <qwerty12_N800> andre__, hater :P
Dec 06 14:57:41 <andre__> :-D
Dec 06 14:57:47 <ShadowJK> andre__, you could tease him by posting summaries
Dec 06 14:58:00 <qwerty12_N800> :D
Dec 06 14:58:03 <Meiz_n810> solca: hi, is wifi working on android?
Dec 06 14:58:10 <qwerty12_N800> solca, great work! thanks!
Dec 06 14:58:25 <andre__> gosh, summaries? no, i just want to get this done :)
Dec 06 14:58:41 <solca> Meiz_n810: for me yes but I notice some problems
Dec 06 14:58:45 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 06 14:58:50 <Meiz_n810> can i try?
Dec 06 14:58:51 <solca> Meiz_n810: maybe you can check and report
Dec 06 14:58:56 <solca> qwerty12_N800: thx :)
Dec 06 14:58:57 <Meiz_n810> sure
Dec 06 14:59:09 <qwerty12_N800> solca, arrgh, the stupid c****. any ideas why they are doing that for?
Dec 06 14:59:15 <Stskeeps> andre__: vodka? :P
Dec 06 14:59:35 <solca> qwerty12_N800: no idea but thats is sad for us
Dec 06 14:59:40 <andre__> Stskeeps, later, honey, later. :-P
Dec 06 14:59:59 <qwerty12_N800> solca, yeah :(
Dec 06 15:00:24 <solca> qwerty12_N800: but if those drivers were working in not a problem for now
Dec 06 15:00:33 <solca> s/in/is/g
Dec 06 15:00:33 <infobot> solca meant: qwerty12_N800: but if those drivers were workisg is not a problem for now
Dec 06 15:01:37 <qwerty12_N800> solca, i'm not entirely sure those touchscreen drivers being removed affects us
Dec 06 15:02:08 <solca> qwerty12_N800: really? I thought it was the ts for the n800
Dec 06 15:02:20 <solca> and n800 sound it seems
Dec 06 15:02:31 <qwerty12_N800> from  what I remember, we use ts2301_<something>.c
Dec 06 15:03:12 <qwerty12_N800> but i only know that from 2.6.21, i don't know if they moved things about :/
Dec 06 15:04:28 <qwerty12_N800> solca, yep, no 2301 references in input/touchscreen/omap/omap_ts.c
Dec 06 15:04:44 <solca> qwerty12_N800: uuf
Dec 06 15:06:24 <qwerty12_N800> i can't see them removing support for the touchscreen when the drivers for the n800 + n810 are so similar. as for sound, i have no idea
Dec 06 15:06:28 <solca> qwerty12_N800: hmm from reading the changes they remove mixer support from the sound of the tsc2301
Dec 06 15:07:25 <qwerty12_N800> yep, i don't get that part :/
Dec 06 15:08:21 <solca> qwerty12_N800: me neither but superficially I can say that if the code was needed is very easy to revert back those eliminations
Dec 06 15:08:42 <solca> hopefully those drivers compile in the first place
Dec 06 15:08:48 <qwerty12_N800> solca, cool :)
Dec 06 15:09:05 <Stskeep> ~curse internet connectio
Dec 06 15:09:06 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, internet connectio !
Dec 06 15:09:29 <qwerty12_N800> I'll have to format my sd card again (oh, why did i put so much xvids on it :()
Dec 06 15:10:09 <disco_stu> lol
Dec 06 15:10:34 <Stskeep> "old unused touchscreen drivers", wtf? :P
Dec 06 15:11:27 <solca> Stskeep: that is not very explanatory
Dec 06 15:11:45 <Stskeep> solca: the notice about ts removal in git
Dec 06 15:12:07 <solca> Stskeep: maybe that code didn't compile
Dec 06 15:12:28 <solca> Stskeep: hmm: I have the source code prior to the commits, will check if it compiles... :)
Dec 06 15:14:25 <qwerty12_N800> solca, I don't mean to bug, but I get a 404 on the kernel patch. I'd like to try a new android on the n800  with touchscreen :)
Dec 06 15:14:35 <solca> qwerty12_N800: can't find support for TSC2391
Dec 06 15:14:50 <solca> qwerty12_N800: let me fix it...
Dec 06 15:16:40 <solca> qwerty12_N800: was a typo in the filename, try again
Dec 06 15:16:41 <qwerty12_N800> :/. Call me nostalgic but when i have something with speakers, it is nice if they can be used :/. Damn linux-omap people
Dec 06 15:16:49 <qwerty12_N800> ah, ok, thanks
Dec 06 15:17:35 <solca> qwerty12_N800: can't find support for 230x on the touchscreen section
Dec 06 15:17:57 <solca> weird, maybe those drivers didn't were maintained all this time
Dec 06 15:18:18 <qwerty12_N800> yeah :/ 2.6.21 ftw!
Dec 06 15:18:30 * Meizirkki is untarring nitdroid
Dec 06 15:19:19 * Stskeeps wonders what power usage is like on nitdroid
Dec 06 15:19:30 <solca> Meizirkki: this time everything w'll work (nah just kidding)
Dec 06 15:19:41 <Meizirkki> solca: is rd_flags ftill needed
Dec 06 15:19:45 <Meizirkki> *still
Dec 06 15:19:51 <solca> Meizirkki: no, that is fixed
Dec 06 15:19:57 <Meizirkki> ok
Dec 06 15:20:07 <solca> Stskeeps: it was charging good
Dec 06 15:20:16 <Stskeeps> solca: yeah, well, im talking about battery life
Dec 06 15:20:16 <solca> Stskeeps: but I never measure how it last
Dec 06 15:20:44 <solca> Stskeeps: do you know how to get the battery meters
Dec 06 15:21:08 <solca> how is done that part on maemo currently?
Dec 06 15:21:10 <Stskeeps> kotczarny had a kcbatt
Dec 06 15:21:15 <Stskeeps> it's done through HAL current
Dec 06 15:21:17 <Stskeeps> hald-addon-bme
Dec 06 15:21:29 <Stskeeps> http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/
Dec 06 15:21:32 <solca> Stskeeps: is that a zekr3t binary?
Dec 06 15:21:42 <Stskeeps> hald-addon-bme is closed source, yeah
Dec 06 15:22:09 <Meizirkki> i am stucked to the screen with penguin at top corner...
Dec 06 15:22:21 <solca> Stskeeps: that sucks! that means I wil never fix the battery icon
Dec 06 15:22:30 <solca> Meizirkki: for how long?
Dec 06 15:22:40 <Stskeeps> solca: .. hence why we had our non-free repo
Dec 06 15:22:47 <Stskeeps> solca: look at kcbatt.c and make something up
Dec 06 15:23:00 <Meizirkki> solca: ~1min... the it shuts down
Dec 06 15:23:15 <solca> Stskeeps: I don't think so as it uses hal
Dec 06 15:23:17 <Meizirkki> rd-mode is disabled
Dec 06 15:23:22 <Stskeeps> solca: kcbatt.c doesn't
Dec 06 15:23:27 <solca> Meizirkki: hmm weird
Dec 06 15:23:28 <Stskeeps> it talks to tahvo/retu
Dec 06 15:23:45 <solca> Stskeeps: that is a good solution, will take a look
Dec 06 15:23:55 <Stskeeps> but this may not be 100% precise
Dec 06 15:24:04 <solca> Meizirkki: try again, maybe it crashed in the way
Dec 06 15:24:07 <ShadowJK> Somehow I think there's more beyond what kcbatt can extract
Dec 06 15:24:17 <Stskeeps> yeah, after seeing what ftd can drag out
Dec 06 15:24:22 <Meizirkki> solca: i have tried now 4 times...
Dec 06 15:24:22 <ShadowJK> exactly
Dec 06 15:24:33 <Meizirkki> i'll try reflashing the kernbel
Dec 06 15:24:54 <solca> Meizirkki: maybe try the debugging version to see what is going on
Dec 06 15:25:03 * Stskeeps waits on mer baking
Dec 06 15:25:28 <Meizirkki> solca: ok
Dec 06 15:25:42 <Meizirkki> solca: wait
Dec 06 15:25:50 <Meizirkki> solca: i'll remove the ext-sd
Dec 06 15:25:56 <Meizirkki> might be about it
Dec 06 15:26:25 <solca> Meizirkki: yes, that was the problem yesterday if I remember correctly
Dec 06 15:26:32 <Meizirkki> it boots
Dec 06 15:26:50 <Meizirkki> i wonder why it stucks when ext-sd is inserted...
Dec 06 15:26:50 <solca> Stskeeps: kcbatt reads directly from /dev/retu, that is nice
Dec 06 15:29:06 <Meizirkki> solca: i still fail booting
Dec 06 15:29:23 <Meizirkki> it reboots after a long time
Dec 06 15:29:44 <Meizirkki> android splash stops blinking and then... reboot
Dec 06 15:31:42 <qwerty12_N800> solca, hey, is where to boot from a kernel argument? I'm lazy, I don't want to make 2 new partitions :P :)
Dec 06 15:32:40 <solca> qwerty12_N800: no, they are currently wired in the kernel cmdline
Dec 06 15:32:47 <solca> Meizirkki: really?
Dec 06 15:32:53 <Meizirkki> solca: yes
Dec 06 15:32:53 <solca> hmm thats bad
Dec 06 15:33:06 <Meizirkki> sometimes i see hortizontal lines before booting
Dec 06 15:34:53 <solca> Meizirkki: do you try the debugging kernel?
Dec 06 15:34:59 <Meizirkki> i did
Dec 06 15:35:04 <solca> Meizirkki: what the console say?
Dec 06 15:35:35 <Meizirkki> there is nothing un-usual in console before android-splash comes up
Dec 06 15:36:15 <Meizirkki> it looks like the userspace refuses to start
Dec 06 15:36:29 <Meizirkki> i'll untar the rootfs again
Dec 06 15:36:41 <solca> Meizirkki: do you get to the A N D R O I D part?
Dec 06 15:36:46 <Meizirkki> yers
Dec 06 15:36:50 <Meizirkki> *yes
Dec 06 15:37:05 <solca> then to the animated splash?
Dec 06 15:37:16 <Meizirkki> instead of the main screen i get hortizontal lines
Dec 06 15:37:37 <Meizirkki> yes i see animated splash...
Dec 06 15:37:42 <Meizirkki> i'll untar again
Dec 06 15:38:19 <solca> Meizirkki: maybe I changed too much the blizzard timings
Dec 06 15:38:34 <solca> Meizirkki: will try build another kernel
Dec 06 15:38:49 <Meizirkki> it could be my bad
Dec 06 15:39:13 <solca> Meizirkki: no, it doesnt get to the main screen here too
Dec 06 15:39:19 <solca> wait a minute...
Dec 06 15:39:19 <Meizirkki> okay
Dec 06 15:45:52 <solca> Meizirkki: it crashed again, will remove my hacks
Dec 06 15:46:15 <solca> Meizirkki: this bug sucks!!!
Dec 06 15:46:32 <Meizirkki> yep
Dec 06 15:47:18 <Meizirkki> doesn't android recuire double/pageflipping framebuffer?
Dec 06 15:47:45 <solca> Meizirkki: yes
Dec 06 15:47:51 <solca> but that is working properly
Dec 06 15:48:01 <solca> what is crashing is the blizzard LCD controller
Dec 06 15:48:13 <solca> not the omapfb
Dec 06 15:48:20 <Meizirkki> ok
Dec 06 15:49:22 <Meizirkki> could the blizzard LCD controller be used with maemo
Dec 06 15:49:27 <Meizirkki> maybe mer?
Dec 06 15:49:39 <solca> it is used
Dec 06 15:49:44 <Meizirkki> ok
Dec 06 15:50:13 <qwerty12_N800> Meizirkki, when you watch a film and see it stuttering, you have proof that it's used :)
Dec 06 15:50:24 <Meizirkki> :P
Dec 06 15:50:26 <solca> :)
Dec 06 15:50:38 <solca> Meizirkki: do you have the yesterday kernel?
Dec 06 15:50:44 <Meizirkki> no..
Dec 06 15:50:59 <solca> hmm, thatm seems more stable that this ones
Dec 06 15:51:08 <Meizirkki> i cleaned up my home directory 2 minutes ago
Dec 06 15:52:16 <solca> too much pulchritude on your side ;)
Dec 06 15:53:14 <Meizirkki> sorry, i do not understand what pulchritude means
Dec 06 15:55:27 <solca> Meizirkki: somebody who demands cleaning very often
Dec 06 15:55:44 <solca> maybe a modism from my side thou...
Dec 06 15:55:51 <Meizirkki> well, thats not true ;P
Dec 06 15:56:47 <ssvb> qwerty12_N800: no, the problem is because good ARMv6 optimizations are missing in video decoder, blizzard is fast enough
Dec 06 15:56:51 <Meizirkki> even if iclean up, my home directory is still full of s*hit ;)
Dec 06 15:57:10 <Stskeeps> .. like my office
Dec 06 15:57:12 <qwerty12> ssvb, ah, learn something new every day :)
Dec 06 15:57:17 <solca> Meizirkki: :P
Dec 06 15:57:24 <qwerty12> I'm sorry epson for all the times I've insulted you
Dec 06 15:57:56 <Meizirkki> solca: i have the yesterdays kernel!
Dec 06 15:58:06 <Meizirkki> i downloaded it to my tablet
Dec 06 15:58:15 <solca> Meizirkki: phewww....
Dec 06 15:58:21 <solca> try it
Dec 06 15:58:30 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer/Screenshot-1.png <- now we're getting somewhere
Dec 06 15:58:51 * Meizirkki is flashing yesterdays kernel...
Dec 06 15:59:17 <solca> Stskeeps: it looks closer...
Dec 06 15:59:26 <solca> Stskeeps: by the wasy are there newer tars
Dec 06 15:59:46 <solca> s/wasy/way/g
Dec 06 15:59:46 <infobot> solca meant: Stskeeps: by the way are there newer tars
Dec 06 15:59:54 <Stskeeps> of mer? no, we have a image builder now
Dec 06 16:00:27 <Stskeeps> i'll make some tar.gz's eventually
Dec 06 16:00:35 <Stskeeps> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/imager/files
Dec 06 16:00:48 <Meizirkki> solca: android refuses to boot
Dec 06 16:00:53 <Meizirkki> wait
Dec 06 16:00:57 <Stskeeps> (look at targets/mer-n800-onlyfs, and look back)
Dec 06 16:01:00 <Meizirkki> i forgot the rd-mode
Dec 06 16:02:50 <solca> Stskeeps: so how is the installation now? manually download to a dir and then mass copy to the target?
Dec 06 16:03:29 <Stskeeps> solca: debootstrap required on device, run shellscript which then bakes everything together
Dec 06 16:03:47 * solca wonders how many more time he have left to flash his kernel partition
Dec 06 16:03:58 <solca> Stskeeps: ah
Dec 06 16:03:59 <Stskeeps> hehe, take out "too many flashes" insurance :P
Dec 06 16:04:08 <Stskeeps> in the mer-n800-Ãonlyfs it just puts everything in the dir you tell it to
Dec 06 16:04:14 <Stskeeps> another target will generate a rootfs.jffs2, etc
Dec 06 16:04:22 <Stskeeps> .. another will generate one for i386, and so on
Dec 06 16:04:24 <qwerty12> solca, don't worry about it, you don't want to know how many times I've flashed the kernel & initfs :PP
Dec 06 16:04:27 <qwerty12> *-P
Dec 06 16:04:56 <solca> qwerty12: belive me, I do at least 1 flash every 5 min
Dec 06 16:05:21 <qwerty12> hehe, I went through tons of flashes when I was testing the black bootmenu
Dec 06 16:08:54 <solca> Meizirkki: do you solve something
Dec 06 16:09:47 <Meizirkki> it did not boot with the old kernel and i cannot unmount partition cleanly after untarring because device is busy :(
Dec 06 16:11:01 <Meizirkki> finally it unmounted cleanly
Dec 06 16:12:54 <solca> Meizirkki: I finally got something stable (until now)
Dec 06 16:14:54 <Meizirkki> solca: maybe problem in rootfs?
Dec 06 16:15:06 <solca> no, the problem is the kernel
Dec 06 16:15:19 <Meizirkki> android does not boot with the kernel it booted yesterday
Dec 06 16:15:46 <Meizirkki> i have rd-mode on, no ext-sd inserted...
Dec 06 16:15:52 <Meizirkki> it worked testerday
Dec 06 16:16:24 <solca> Meizirkki: are you trying the rootfs from yesterday or tadays?
Dec 06 16:16:35 <Meizirkki> todays
Dec 06 16:16:58 <Stskeeps> btw, why is it that android always pop up when i start new projects? :>
Dec 06 16:17:05 <Stskeeps> happened with deblet too :>
Dec 06 16:17:11 <Meizirkki> i don't even get the ANDROID to left side of the screen
Dec 06 16:17:32 <solca> ok, display is working good now, will upload new kernels
Dec 06 16:17:35 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: :P
Dec 06 16:17:43 <solca> Stskeeps: :)
Dec 06 16:17:46 <Meizirkki> solca: great :P
Dec 06 16:18:00 * Stskeeps ponders recompiling the x server
Dec 06 16:18:46 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: Jauntys universe is now pretty big and most of the lxde packages are already built :)
Dec 06 16:19:54 <solca> Meizirkki: download the normal kernel again
Dec 06 16:20:03 <Meizirkki> okay
Dec 06 16:20:08 <solca> will upload the debugging
Dec 06 16:20:16 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: woo
Dec 06 16:23:26 * Meizirkki is waiting for android to boot
Dec 06 16:23:47 <solca> qwerty12 or Stskeeps: my kernels uses PREEMPT and NOHZ, that is good for batteries right?
Dec 06 16:24:13 <Stskeeps> nohz is the dyntick stuff?
Dec 06 16:24:20 <solca> Meizirkki: yep
Dec 06 16:24:22 <qwerty12> solca, no idea. I used a 2.6.21 kernel with preempt though fine with no adverse effects on battery
Dec 06 16:24:33 <solca> Stskeeps: *yep
Dec 06 16:25:09 <Meizirkki> solca: it boots and wifi goes on
Dec 06 16:25:23 <solca> Meizirkki: finally...
Dec 06 16:25:28 <Meizirkki> but it is unable to scan for networks
Dec 06 16:25:53 <Meizirkki> and i can't type ssid because the hw-keyboard does not work :(
Dec 06 16:26:11 <solca> Meizirkki: :(
Dec 06 16:26:39 <solca> it seems I heavy broke the kbd layout
Dec 06 16:26:42 <Meizirkki> nth:s android had working keyboard... but it was buggy comparing to yours
Dec 06 16:27:05 <solca> Meizirkki: but you can remove my kbd layout
Dec 06 16:27:07 <Meizirkki> i mean their android was buggy, not the keyboard
Dec 06 16:27:18 <Meizirkki> solca: what do you mean?
Dec 06 16:27:18 <solca> and it will fallback to normal qwerty
Dec 06 16:27:27 <Meizirkki> how can i remove that
Dec 06 16:27:30 <solca> you need to get into
Dec 06 16:28:14 <Meizirkki> into what?
Dec 06 16:28:16 <Meizirkki> rootfs?
Dec 06 16:28:46 <solca> you need to remove this file: /system/usr/keylayout/Internal_keyboard.kl
Dec 06 16:28:51 <Meizirkki> okay
Dec 06 16:28:58 <solca> you can get in with adb
Dec 06 16:29:09 <solca> and the usb cable
Dec 06 16:29:22 <Meizirkki> solca: btw: thanks for all the help!!! :P
Dec 06 16:29:57 <solca> Meizirkki: no prob, I'm excited that all this effort was not vane
Dec 06 16:38:38 <aquatix> hm, i have the maemo news feed in google reader, but it imports a lot of double articles; every time the score of an article changes, it gets added
Dec 06 16:38:54 <aquatix> some webmaster that can look at that?
Dec 06 16:48:04 <Meizirkki> solca: keyboard still not working :(
Dec 06 16:48:06 <Stskeeps> kulve: how are your manual updates on omapfb these days?
Dec 06 16:48:35 <solca> Meizirkki: do you remove that file
Dec 06 16:48:41 <Meizirkki> i did
Dec 06 16:48:49 <Meizirkki> wait
Dec 06 16:49:00 <solca> and reboot
Dec 06 16:49:02 <Meizirkki> i made some modifications :P
Dec 06 16:50:30 <Meizirkki> solca: where can i get ADB?
Dec 06 16:50:44 <Meizirkki> solca: found it
Dec 06 16:51:40 <solca> Meizirkki: just run it like this: sudo ./adb shell
Dec 06 16:52:21 <Meizirkki> i can not untar it
Dec 06 16:52:32 <Meizirkki> is it only 60kb?
Dec 06 16:53:13 <solca> its not in tar, it is just bzip2ed
Dec 06 16:53:14 <Meizirkki> untarred
Dec 06 16:53:23 <solca> bunzip adb.x86.bz2
Dec 06 16:53:24 <Meizirkki> that was it :P
Dec 06 16:53:28 <Meizirkki> thanks
Dec 06 16:53:32 <Meizirkki> (again)
Dec 06 16:54:36 <solca> Meizirkki: hey WiFi scanning is not working here!
Dec 06 16:54:52 * solca fixes less than what he brokes
Dec 06 16:55:08 <kulve> Stskeeps: we don't use manual updates I think
Dec 06 16:55:15 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 06 16:55:55 <Stskeeps> definately speeds things up, just noticed you had a manual_updates branch, but it seemed to be for xv stuff
Dec 06 16:57:50 <solca> Stskeeps: when trying to implement double buffering in the kernel I found that omapfb does have
Dec 06 16:57:53 <solca> variuos "planes"
Dec 06 16:57:56 <Meizirkki> solca: itold you that it does not work
Dec 06 16:58:07 <solca> for xv
Dec 06 16:58:12 <Meizirkki> solca: when i get kb to work i will manually add ssid
Dec 06 16:58:14 <Stskeeps> solca: yeah
Dec 06 16:58:50 <solca> Stskeeps: I'm getting crashes maybe because the LCD cant cope with double buffering
Dec 06 16:58:55 <Meizirkki> solca: even the qwerty.kl won't work
Dec 06 16:59:24 <Stskeeps> solca: no clue from here :P
Dec 06 16:59:44 <andre__> Maemo.org Bugzilla reorganization done. Will go live again in a few minutes.
Dec 06 17:00:00 <andre__> Should go and buy three kilograms of chocolate now.
Dec 06 17:00:12 <solca> Meizirkki: Stskeeps k, will keep investigating, maybe doing flipping with the planes could solve the whole thing
Dec 06 17:00:22 <solca> Meizirkki: *sorry
Dec 06 17:00:22 <Stskeeps> andre__: and a hello kitty tshirt?
Dec 06 17:00:33 <Meizirkki> solca: no problem
Dec 06 17:00:43 <solca> Meizirkki: there is another file
Dec 06 17:00:57 <andre__> Stskeeps, with sugar on top, please! YAY!
Dec 06 17:01:05 <solca> Meizirkki: /system/usr/keychars/Internal_keyboard.kcm.bin
Dec 06 17:01:07 <Meizirkki> solca: i should delete it?
Dec 06 17:01:10 <Meizirkki> ok
Dec 06 17:01:18 <solca> yea delete it
Dec 06 17:01:25 <solca> or move it
Dec 06 17:01:38 <solca> but you got to reboot
Dec 06 17:02:13 <Meizirkki> ok
Dec 06 17:02:15 <Meizirkki> thanks
Dec 06 17:02:31 <RST38h> andre: Buy it and use it to bribe female clerks
Dec 06 17:03:09 <andre__> RST38h, i already have a skirt, isn't that enough?
Dec 06 17:03:21 <Meizirkki> solca: is there a way to mount androids rootfs to one dir in my computer
Dec 06 17:03:29 <Meizirkki> with adb
Dec 06 17:03:30 <Meizirkki> ?
Dec 06 17:03:41 <qwerty12> whee: http://gitorious.org/projects/stlc45xx/repos/mainline/commits/6235c93f2bb3192364fc44e1819685382c86c428
Dec 06 17:04:02 <solca> Meizirkki: dunno, but you can push or pull files at will
Dec 06 17:04:14 <Meizirkki> ok
Dec 06 17:04:41 <Meizirkki> solca: i have had no fading away problems with this kernel :)
Dec 06 17:05:00 <RST38h> andre: No. Chocolate is just about the best bribing currency though
Dec 06 17:05:18 <solca> Meizirkki: I ocassionally get one when forcing to much redraws
Dec 06 17:05:19 <disco_stu> someone notices difference between class 4 and class 6 mem cards in their tablets ?
Dec 06 17:05:38 <solca> Meizirkki: so Wifi doesnt work
Dec 06 17:05:54 <RST38h> qwerty: This stuff looks suspiciously like firmware
Dec 06 17:05:57 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: \o/
Dec 06 17:06:00 <Meizirkki> solca: sure?
Dec 06 17:06:11 * andre__ writes down the words of wisdom from RST38h
Dec 06 17:06:41 <solca> qwerty12: that is good news
Dec 06 17:06:46 <qwerty12> RST38h, if it is, you won't hear a word of complaint from me ;P
Dec 06 17:06:54 * solca wonders how much performance drops from not calibrating
Dec 06 17:09:13 <RST38h> BTW, gPhone is now sold unlocked, for $400 + $25 for developer registration
Dec 06 17:09:52 <RST38h> In case anybody feels like writing Java apps at the cost of $425...
Dec 06 17:10:16 <AStorm> nah
Dec 06 17:10:31 <AStorm> I wouldn't want to write Java apps even if paid to do so
Dec 06 17:10:39 <AStorm> unless I'd be paid a lot :P
Dec 06 17:11:09 <RST38h> AStorm: There is plenty of people in Mumbai who will be willing to write 'em for less =)
Dec 06 17:11:18 <andre__> Yay, Bugzilla back up for public. Enjoy the party. I want flames!
Dec 06 17:11:30 <qwerty12> WOOT WOOT
Dec 06 17:11:41 * AStorm sets andre__ on fire
Dec 06 17:11:52 <AStorm> you wanted flames, right?
Dec 06 17:11:56 <andre__> w00t w00t, exactly :)
Dec 06 17:11:58 * RST38h feels more and more like "I don't give a fuck" when commenting on bugs recently
Dec 06 17:11:59 <t_s_o> burn the heretics! *moahahahahahaha!*
Dec 06 17:12:18 <RST38h> Not much is gonna happen anyway
Dec 06 17:12:25 <AStorm> RST38h, as to outsourcing, they'll do it worse
Dec 06 17:12:28 <AStorm> :P
Dec 06 17:12:39 <RST38h> AStorm: Ah, nobody cares how java apps are written =)
Dec 06 17:12:53 <RST38h> It is like VB - the standards are pretty low there
Dec 06 17:13:17 <AStorm> that's why I dislike it, with a passion :P
Dec 06 17:13:54 <x29a> cant wait for christmas
Dec 06 17:14:15 <disco_stu> RST38h: thats not true
Dec 06 17:14:20 <AStorm> uhm, no, no more bells
Dec 06 17:14:23 <RST38h> Nobody is gonna tap you to do it though. Eastern Europe prices are higher so the only reason to outsource to Eastern Europe is when you actually want a developer who can do stuff on his own and explain it in passable English
Dec 06 17:14:25 <AStorm> especially jingling
Dec 06 17:14:45 <AStorm> RST38h, indeed
Dec 06 17:15:03 <RST38h> Otherwise for each of you there are 5 Indians and 50 Chinese willing to do the work, cheaper
Dec 06 17:15:10 <AStorm> that's why I'm looking for a nice embedded soft coding job :>
Dec 06 17:16:11 * RST38h wonders how long those are gonna last, with so many people being fired stateside...
Dec 06 17:16:51 <AStorm> hehe
Dec 06 17:17:00 <AStorm> chinese can't write english
Dec 06 17:17:05 <x29a> AStorm: hehe, i hope my n810 will jingle the bells
Dec 06 17:17:11 <AStorm> most of them
Dec 06 17:17:52 <AStorm> RST38h, here they're still hiring
Dec 06 17:18:17 <AStorm> but there's a problem with lack of proper R&D centers
Dec 06 17:18:43 <AStorm> so really all the jobs are truly denigrating java orm...
Dec 06 17:18:47 <AStorm> or analysis
Dec 06 17:18:56 <AStorm> ehh
Dec 06 17:19:05 <AStorm> bad country for me
Dec 06 17:19:19 <AStorm> should move to Finland or somewhere
Dec 06 17:20:17 <AStorm> (prereq is learning Finnish)
Dec 06 17:20:43 <AStorm> or to Germany (prereq: improving my weak German)
Dec 06 17:20:46 <AStorm> so, meh
Dec 06 17:20:53 <AStorm> </rant>
Dec 06 17:20:55 <Stskeeps> isn't prereq practising on your vodka drinking skills?
Dec 06 17:20:58 <Stskeeps> for .fi
Dec 06 17:21:10 <AStorm> Stskeeps, I'm Polish
Dec 06 17:21:19 <AStorm> I can outdrink anyone who's not Russian
Dec 06 17:21:20 <Stskeeps> ah.
Dec 06 17:21:21 <AStorm> :P
Dec 06 17:21:22 <Stskeeps> well in shape then.
Dec 06 17:21:44 * Stskeeps has a polish gf and when he met his mother in law first time, i was welcomed with several vodka shots..
Dec 06 17:21:44 <RST38h> AStorm: Same here, although at a lower rate
Dec 06 17:21:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 17:21:52 <trenka> AStorm: competition? ;)
Dec 06 17:22:24 <AStorm> trenka, nah, I don't have any on me
Dec 06 17:22:28 <Meizirkki> solca: instead of fadeaways android sometimes power-offs
Dec 06 17:22:33 <RST38h> AStorm: Although they have started firing the office mice - bottom level managers, journalists, sales people
Dec 06 17:22:43 <AStorm> and a pointless management plan to write
Dec 06 17:22:52 <AStorm> RST38h, expecting recession?
Dec 06 17:22:59 <RST38h> AStorm: Apparently, you can survive in Fnland with English alone
Dec 06 17:23:02 <AStorm> they are acting as to make one :P
Dec 06 17:23:08 <RST38h> Germany - prolly need to learn German
Dec 06 17:23:11 <^Tux^> I'm .us, but I once broke a metacarpel in my hand after drinking > 1gal of tank-car vodka (heaven hill) and doing cart-wheels off a deck.. so I'll get in on this vodka challenge.. :P
Dec 06 17:23:12 <^Tux^> ;P
Dec 06 17:23:18 <AStorm> really? I'll try it then
Dec 06 17:23:19 <solca> Meizirkki: can you check if it happens when idle?
Dec 06 17:23:22 <RST38h> AStorm: entering recession already
Dec 06 17:23:56 <solca> Meizirkki: and how you feel it in speed compared to yesterdays version?
Dec 06 17:24:05 <AStorm> Tux: hmmm, then you were drunk
Dec 06 17:24:06 <RST38h> AStorm: construction slowing down, realty prices falling, etc
Dec 06 17:24:17 <AStorm> RST38h, yep, bad times
Dec 06 17:24:33 <RST38h> AStorm: The place is tied up to the oil/gas/ore prices and those are falling through the floor
Dec 06 17:24:35 <AStorm> and in this fun time I get to enter the marketplace
Dec 06 17:24:48 <AStorm> mah
Dec 06 17:24:51 <Meizirkki> solca: it happens randomly
Dec 06 17:24:55 <^Tux^> drunk was an understatement
Dec 06 17:24:55 <^Tux^> ;P
Dec 06 17:25:05 <Meizirkki> solca: i think the speed is mostly same
Dec 06 17:25:15 <Meizirkki> solca: not slower
Dec 06 17:25:21 <AStorm> Tux: 1gal = x liter?
Dec 06 17:25:33 <^Tux^> 	
Dec 06 17:25:33 <^Tux^> 1 US gallon = 3.78541178 liter
Dec 06 17:25:33 <RST38h> AStorm: Somehow I do not think embedded programmming stuff is going anywhere
Dec 06 17:25:36 <^Tux^> google
Dec 06 17:25:36 <^Tux^> ;D
Dec 06 17:25:43 <RST38h> It is akin to coffin making in that sense =)
Dec 06 17:25:46 <solca> Meizirkki: do you think the speed is to slow or is adequate?
Dec 06 17:25:49 <AStorm> RST38h, but demand will go up
Dec 06 17:26:03 <AStorm> the devices will always be needed
Dec 06 17:26:08 <RST38h> AStorm: For coffins or embedded devices? =)
Dec 06 17:26:10 <solca> Meizirkki: I can't figure out how to squeeze more speed thoug
Dec 06 17:26:14 <AStorm> heck, I could write code for washing machines too
Dec 06 17:26:20 <ShadowJK> heh
Dec 06 17:26:21 <AStorm> RST38h, both :P
Dec 06 17:26:21 <x29a> which devices do you guys have?
Dec 06 17:26:28 * RST38h wrote code for a hot dog making machine once
Dec 06 17:26:39 * x29a is getting hungry
Dec 06 17:26:47 <ShadowJK> If you think speed is too slow, well it's always going to be "too slow", because desktop will still be ahead of whatever you've got in your hand :P
Dec 06 17:26:56 <RST38h> and had to help designing the hw too
Dec 06 17:27:03 <AStorm> ShadowJK, :>
Dec 06 17:27:13 <AStorm> RST38h, fun, fun, fun
Dec 06 17:27:16 <lcuk> ShadowJK, psh, design to take these things into account and it wont be slow
Dec 06 17:27:21 <^Tux^> I hear JK has the problem of things being "too small" vs "too slow" when they're in his hand
Dec 06 17:27:21 <^Tux^> :(
Dec 06 17:27:34 <Meizirkki> solca: i think the speed is good enough for me, it is not too slow. at the end, n810:s hardware is not very fast
Dec 06 17:27:37 <AStorm> RST38h, unlike coding Java
Dec 06 17:27:39 <RST38h> AStorm: the way it cooked the sausage was almost erotic
Dec 06 17:27:50 * lcuk thinks the n810 is fast
Dec 06 17:28:02 <ShadowJK> And if you have a webpage with 10 CPU hogging flash applets that peak your quad core desktop but still works fine, obviously it's going to be horrible on any CPU that fits with a powersource in your hand
Dec 06 17:28:04 <RST38h> lcuk: When compared with my OMAP850 based E70 - yes
Dec 06 17:28:06 <AStorm> n810 is fairly fast
Dec 06 17:28:22 <AStorm> could use 2x ram and OMAP3
Dec 06 17:28:29 <solca> Meizirkki: ok, I'm getting tired of the keyboard malfunction, is the next thing I'll fix
Dec 06 17:28:30 <ShadowJK> E70 with opera mini loads reuters about 10 times faster than N810 :-)
Dec 06 17:28:31 <AStorm> and proper LCD controller
Dec 06 17:28:32 <RST38h> flash is just badly implemented, it is not supposed to hog CPU
Dec 06 17:28:36 <solca> I promise :)
Dec 06 17:28:43 <AStorm> heh
Dec 06 17:28:51 <t_s_o> hmm, a unlocked version of G1, just need to sign up for a dev account over at google. tempting ;)
Dec 06 17:28:56 <lcuk> AStorm, it would be faster if it could simply use all its limbs
Dec 06 17:28:56 <RST38h> Shadow: Unless the OS decides to terminate that Opera when the memory gets exhausted
Dec 06 17:29:06 <AStorm> lcuk, hmm?
Dec 06 17:29:27 <ShadowJK> RST38h, and on N810 instead of getting the browser terminated, the watchdog just reboots the entire device when it starts swapping too much, heh.
Dec 06 17:29:27 <AStorm> ShadowJK, sorry, not
Dec 06 17:29:30 <AStorm> I checked
Dec 06 17:29:34 <Stskeeps> t_s_o: "telnetd"
Dec 06 17:29:35 <Meizirkki> solca: from adb: # wlan_loader
Dec 06 17:29:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 17:29:35 <Meizirkki> fatal error opening "/sys/power/acquire_partial_wake_lock"
Dec 06 17:29:44 <AStorm> ShadowJK, haha, simple to fix
Dec 06 17:29:54 <RST38h> Shadow: Never happened to me
Dec 06 17:29:56 <t_s_o> Stskeeps?
Dec 06 17:30:00 <lcuk> powervr iva etc
Dec 06 17:30:05 <AStorm> sysctl -w vm.overcommit_memory=2
Dec 06 17:30:10 <lcuk> 2d accel
Dec 06 17:30:23 <ShadowJK> AStorm, it does it even if I have lots of swapspace free?
Dec 06 17:30:24 <Stskeeps> t_s_o: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=680
Dec 06 17:30:26 <AStorm> lcuk, well, yes
Dec 06 17:30:29 <solca> Meizirkki: no idea, wlan_loader is the tiwlan driver loader for the G1
Dec 06 17:30:35 <AStorm> still, lcd controller is junk
Dec 06 17:30:39 <solca> Meizirkki: (I presume)
Dec 06 17:30:48 <Meizirkki> solca: ok
Dec 06 17:30:48 <suihkulokki> yeah, knowing finnish is not a requirement for (tech) job in .fi
Dec 06 17:30:49 <AStorm> ShadowJK, that's old cpu sched for you
Dec 06 17:30:59 <suihkulokki> alcoholo consumpition skills are, however, a bonus :)
Dec 06 17:31:01 <solca> Meizirkki: logcat can tell you more things
Dec 06 17:31:08 <Meizirkki> ok
Dec 06 17:31:27 <t_s_o> Stskeeps: yep, i know about that bug...
Dec 06 17:31:27 <AStorm> ShadowJK, also, olld timing code using jiffies
Dec 06 17:31:35 <t_s_o> iirc, its patched now
Dec 06 17:31:50 <ShadowJK> I don't really believe much in the idea that giving more computing power will make things faster. People constnatly find new stupid things to waste CPU,GPU and whatever on to take you back to slowness again :)
Dec 06 17:31:51 <AStorm> ShadowJK, all fixed some time ago in linux-omap
Dec 06 17:32:06 <lcuk> ShadowJK, +1
Dec 06 17:32:11 <AStorm> ShadowJK, unless we go to full 3D
Dec 06 17:32:21 <lcuk> AStorm: farcry
Dec 06 17:32:30 <ShadowJK> AStorm, I imagine it's just because flash is so slow to swap to, that it takes more than 30 seconds for whatever daeemon that prods the watchdog to run?
Dec 06 17:32:32 <Meizirkki> solca: android settings says wlan is on, but netcfg says it is down...
Dec 06 17:32:33 <AStorm> in 2D, there's just so many things to waste power on
Dec 06 17:32:48 <AStorm> ShadowJK, yes
Dec 06 17:33:05 <AStorm> and watchdog isn't getting scheduled
Dec 06 17:33:15 <AStorm> thanks to O(1) sched
Dec 06 17:33:27 <Riiika> is there some lighter/faster flash to install to newest OS2007HE in Nokia 770 than flash9?
Dec 06 17:33:32 <solca> Meizirkki: yea something is not working right, as when I turn on is good but if I turn it off the on it doesnt get on until next reboot
Dec 06 17:33:45 <AStorm> Riiika, I don't think so
Dec 06 17:33:48 <Meizirkki> solca: yep
Dec 06 17:34:10 <t_s_o> its kinda funny how gpe file manager can scroll using dpad without input lag (release button, it stops) while app manger and other nokia made apps seems to scroll for 10 seconds after button is released...
Dec 06 17:34:17 <solca> well got to go, see you
Dec 06 17:34:19 <Meizirkki> solca: # netcfg wlan0 up action 'up' failed (No such file or directory)
Dec 06 17:34:21 <ShadowJK> Meizirkki, you can certainly slow things down with 3D too. Like, on my desktop I can use the gl output of MPlayer, the scaling and transform is accelerated by the GPU. This is however slower than Xv, which has a more direct 2D path to do the same. The GL approach starts performing better once you also have it do things liek sharpening, that you'd have to do in software with Xvideo..
Dec 06 17:34:42 <Meizirkki> k
Dec 06 17:34:48 <AStorm> t_s_o, it's the same code really... they need to switch the kernel
Dec 06 17:34:58 <AStorm> and check ondemand settings
Dec 06 17:35:09 <Meizirkki> solca: bye
Dec 06 17:35:14 <AStorm> set the threshold to 50 (it's 80 now)
Dec 06 17:35:19 <t_s_o> AStorm: sorry?
Dec 06 17:35:20 <ShadowJK> AStorm, the CPU scheduler can't do much if it's waiting for the watchdog to come back from swap... It'd need cleverer io scheduling and shorter io queues maybe..
Dec 06 17:35:45 <AStorm> ShadowJK, watchdog won't be swapped
Dec 06 17:35:58 <t_s_o> i was talking about gpe file manager in use on my N800 running diablo...
Dec 06 17:35:59 <AStorm> because it's an RT task
Dec 06 17:36:06 <GeneralAntilles> http://flickr.com/photos/jsmanrique/3086624756/sizes/o/
Dec 06 17:36:20 <ShadowJK> AStorm, which of the daemons is responsible for prodding the watchdog?
Dec 06 17:36:23 <AStorm> t_s_o, it's the same gtk code
Dec 06 17:36:43 <AStorm> ShadowJK, hmm, dsme afaicr
Dec 06 17:36:52 <t_s_o> in other words, its something internal to the other code thats the issue?
Dec 06 17:36:58 <AStorm> but you can also prod it manually via sysfs
Dec 06 17:37:01 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, i saw that, the contacts looks like mine damn them \@/ and the camera one isnt real
Dec 06 17:37:03 <t_s_o> GeneralAntilles: looks like someone is dreaming of a iphone...
Dec 06 17:37:05 <AStorm> t_s_o, yup
Dec 06 17:37:28 <ShadowJK> AStorm, dsme doesn't seem to have locked its memory? if you can at all trust the busybox 'ps'...
Dec 06 17:37:31 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, it really does
Dec 06 17:37:39 <lcuk> i wonder if the contacts are going to be floating like mine do
Dec 06 17:37:42 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting that they'd use an N810 for what appears to be phone interface mockups.
Dec 06 17:37:42 <AStorm> ShadowJK, sure
Dec 06 17:37:47 <AStorm> it should mlock
Dec 06 17:38:01 <ShadowJK> right, /proc/pid/status confirms that dsme's memory pages aren't locked, so it gets paged out like everything else too, even if its priority is set lower
Dec 06 17:38:06 <ShadowJK> and it's not RT priority?
Dec 06 17:38:11 <AStorm> but newer kernels won't swap out any RT priority tasks
Dec 06 17:38:54 <t_s_o> the top right image reminds me of samsungs latest phone interface, only that samsung have the menu on the left...
Dec 06 17:39:08 <t_s_o> all in all, meh...
Dec 06 17:39:11 <AStorm> ShadowJK, ooh, bug!
Dec 06 17:39:20 <AStorm> fix it, simple initfs change
Dec 06 17:39:29 <AStorm> mlock will be harder
Dec 06 17:39:47 <AStorm> alternatively, write a tiny daemon to prod the watchdog
Dec 06 17:40:04 <ShadowJK> bme_RX-44 on the other hand is running at RT priority...
Dec 06 17:40:14 <ShadowJK> dsme is just nice -1
Dec 06 17:40:26 <AStorm> I might have mixed them up
Dec 06 17:40:45 <AStorm> check which one is started in initfs
Dec 06 17:41:08 <qwerty12> They're both started from initfs iirc
Dec 06 17:42:21 <t_s_o> gah, i really would like a mark option in the edit menu of the browser, that would basically lock the scroll and allow me to mark text with a simple drag of the stylus rather then the somewhat silly double-tap and drag we have today...
Dec 06 17:43:03 <AStorm> yup, that would be nice
Dec 06 17:43:16 <AStorm> write a bug maybe?
Dec 06 17:43:24 <t_s_o> iirc, i may already have...
Dec 06 17:43:34 * GeneralAntilles doesn't recall one.
Dec 06 17:43:39 <t_s_o> probably will go "fixed in fremantle" if not tho...
Dec 06 17:43:44 <GeneralAntilles> Unlikely
Dec 06 17:43:54 <GeneralAntilles> I don't see them implementing something kludgy like that
Dec 06 17:44:05 <AStorm> one menu option? :P
Dec 06 17:44:15 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, pfft.
Dec 06 17:44:16 <t_s_o> well, thats the option alternative, GeneralAntilles
Dec 06 17:44:20 <GeneralAntilles> You know better than that.
Dec 06 17:44:24 <t_s_o> oops
Dec 06 17:44:26 <lcuk> if we have a keyboard we could have something like shift to lock
Dec 06 17:44:32 <AStorm> where's the kludge? it would be one step closer to vimperator :P
Dec 06 17:44:45 <AStorm> (modal browser)
Dec 06 17:44:48 <t_s_o> lcuk: sadly i only own a N800...
Dec 06 17:44:50 <ShadowJK> I'd like to have an option to lock to right click, for times when I don't want it to mistake a hold for left click
Dec 06 17:44:52 <GeneralAntilles> :shudder:
Dec 06 17:45:13 <GeneralAntilles> Just wait for Fremantle's fully open-source browser
Dec 06 17:45:31 <AStorm> heh
Dec 06 17:45:32 <t_s_o> meh, maybe we could get someone in the community to unofficially patch the brower ui. or was that proprietary code?
Dec 06 17:45:38 <AStorm> xul or gtk?
Dec 06 17:45:45 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, it's closed.
Dec 06 17:45:49 <t_s_o> figures...
Dec 06 17:45:55 <GeneralAntilles> Better off talking to Bundyo about his selection methods
Dec 06 17:46:02 <AStorm> t_s_o, fremantle will have that opened
Dec 06 17:46:19 <t_s_o> AStorm: at that point i may as well be using a pandora...
Dec 06 17:46:24 <ShadowJK> how does browser/browserd work, does browser just give a window ID for browserd to display to? is browserd opensource?
Dec 06 17:46:36 <AStorm> t_s_o, heh. yes
Dec 06 17:47:00 <RST38h> Pandora? Hehe :)
Dec 06 17:47:05 <AStorm> ShadowJK, no and no
Dec 06 17:47:10 <lcuk> people have their pandoras now don't they?
Dec 06 17:47:23 <RST38h> lcuk: delayed by 6 months
Dec 06 17:47:32 <lcuk> theres a surprise
Dec 06 17:47:39 * GeneralAntilles thinks pancake's a bit bitter.
Dec 06 17:47:54 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, and what prevents you from running Fremantle on that? :P
Dec 06 17:48:18 <t_s_o> on what? the pandora? nothing, but im not sure i would want to...
Dec 06 17:48:29 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, you can make the pancake sweeter by adding more memory to it
Dec 06 17:48:36 <StsN800> GeneralAntilles, pancake=0xffff guy or?
Dec 06 17:48:39 <t_s_o> as i suspect nokia will be sneaking in some elements of "differentiation"...
Dec 06 17:48:46 <GeneralAntilles> StsN800, yes, maemo-community post.
Dec 06 17:48:55 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, sneaking?
Dec 06 17:49:04 <AStorm> what for?
Dec 06 17:49:05 <GeneralAntilles> You do realize Fremantle will be significantly more open than Diablo, right?
Dec 06 17:49:17 <RST38h> AStorm: To sell more different devices
Dec 06 17:49:20 <ShadowJK> I wonder if they will kill icd
Dec 06 17:49:27 <RST38h> This has been their trademark behaviour for years
Dec 06 17:49:36 <AStorm> RST38h, different target audience?
Dec 06 17:49:44 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, supposedly the networking setup will be changing.
Dec 06 17:49:59 <ShadowJK> GeneralAntilles, icd is awesome, so it would be in line with big corporation behaviour to kill it :)
Dec 06 17:49:59 <RST38h> AStorm: Yes, basically the same hardware but some features (usually software like fast JVM or 3D API) disabled in some phones
Dec 06 17:50:01 <t_s_o> GeneralAntilles: i will continue to be sceptical until the i see screenshots of running software, downloaded and compiled by not working for nokia...
Dec 06 17:50:48 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, if the code is available. :\
Dec 06 17:50:51 <lcuk> t_s_o, they only need to release source once it goes on sale, before then they can stay in whatever cathederal they want
Dec 06 17:50:53 <AStorm> RST38h, actually, yes
Dec 06 17:51:02 <t_s_o> lcuk: bingo...
Dec 06 17:51:03 <lcuk> but clutter itself is already open and available
Dec 06 17:51:08 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, um, Fremantle beta?
Dec 06 17:51:14 * lcuk lives in a little chapel
Dec 06 17:51:35 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting to note that there's no mention of the delays on http://openpandora.org/
Dec 06 17:51:36 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, the fremantle beta is the core base with no applications
Dec 06 17:51:45 <lcuk> or thats what i read
Dec 06 17:51:53 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, none at all?
Dec 06 17:52:10 <GeneralAntilles> I believe you're confusing the beta with the alpha
Dec 06 17:52:19 <GeneralAntilles> Besides, h-a-m is shipping with the alpha.
Dec 06 17:52:19 <lcuk> im oging under the impression it will be like xepyhr is currently
Dec 06 17:52:24 <lcuk> core hildon with no apps
Dec 06 17:52:40 <GeneralAntilles> You'd be under the wrong impression.
Dec 06 17:52:51 <lcuk> then im in for a pleasant surprise then!
Dec 06 17:53:33 <GeneralAntilles> "Beta SDK released between March-May, ready for application development including support for Mozilla based browser and Greasemonkey add-ons."
Dec 06 17:53:42 <GeneralAntilles> Clearly that'll include the browser
Dec 06 17:53:51 <GeneralAntilles> So there's at least two applications, h-a-m and MicroB
Dec 06 17:54:51 <lcuk> no, it says support for, not includes
Dec 06 17:55:25 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, how do you plan on testing addons without a browser? :)
Dec 06 17:55:44 <lcuk> i dont plan on testing the browser, but i thought xul was universal
Dec 06 17:56:03 <suihkulokki> completly OT: what's the easiest way to provide some n00b a easy way to upload a huge file?
Dec 06 17:56:17 <qwerty12> root access to your server
Dec 06 17:56:29 <GeneralAntilles> How huge?
Dec 06 17:56:33 <lcuk> yes, i concur with qwerty12, post your passwords
Dec 06 17:56:38 <suihkulokki> 1+GB
Dec 06 17:56:44 <t_s_o> i have probably asked about this somewhere else, but why isnt the browser interface open source? are the opera binding still floating around in there?
Dec 06 17:56:58 <lcuk> suihkulokki, is it regular uploads?
Dec 06 17:57:09 <lcuk> and do you have control of the server
Dec 06 17:57:13 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, a variety of reasons, likely.
Dec 06 17:57:33 <lcuk> regular as in often
Dec 06 17:57:38 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, probably some having to do with availability of time, others to do with silly management thinking about differentiation.
Dec 06 17:58:01 <suihkulokki> lcuk: for now it's one-time case. yes, I have any full control.
Dec 06 17:58:04 <GeneralAntilles> Opera (closed everything) -> Diablo MicroB (open engine) -> Fremantle MicroB (open everything)
Dec 06 17:58:07 <GeneralAntilles> It's a progression. :P
Dec 06 17:58:23 <suihkulokki> I know apache/php is not going to be easy
Dec 06 17:58:31 <t_s_o> http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1700/fc01658.htm <- this kind of management i take it?
Dec 06 17:58:54 <lcuk> suihkulokki, if they are trusted users give them ftp account access, its resumable
Dec 06 17:59:45 <lcuk> (i think)
Dec 06 18:00:03 <suihkulokki> the problem with ftp is 1) firewalls 2) risk of becoming a international piracy hub
Dec 06 18:00:24 <Stskeeps> scp?
Dec 06 18:00:27 <lcuk> suihkulokki, not really, you can give upload perms only
Dec 06 18:00:41 <lcuk> firewalls mostly allow easy ftp through
Dec 06 18:01:01 <GeneralAntilles> Let's go simple, what about box.net or similar?
Dec 06 18:01:42 <lcuk> i still dont know how you get from an ftp account to international piracy hub
Dec 06 18:02:03 <lcuk> you have control of the users and access permissions and quotas and everything
Dec 06 18:02:26 <qwerty12> lcuk, I don't know about now, but pirates used to scan for dodgy ftp's and upload their warez there
Dec 06 18:02:35 <AStorm> public upload and download -> piracy
Dec 06 18:03:24 <lcuk> dodgy == fully open with silly permissions == granted.  but ftp is the still the usual way to transfer big files
Dec 06 18:03:29 <AStorm> that's why any public upload dir must not have download permissions
Dec 06 18:03:34 <StsN800> qwerty12, silly ones yeah
Dec 06 18:04:22 <lcuk> suihkulokki, you could write some kind of torrent tracker and let your users add their files to it
Dec 06 18:05:02 <lcuk> when you notice a new file has been added just start downloading yourself (after making sure it doesnt contain the words "britney" && "naked"
Dec 06 18:06:24 <AStorm> hehe
Dec 06 18:06:31 * suihkulokki grumbles about legacy protocols and starts reading vsftp docs
Dec 06 18:06:32 <AStorm> private tracker theen
Dec 06 18:06:39 <AStorm> *then
Dec 06 18:30:31 <t_s_o> hmm, is there a way to alter the font size of just the input boxes in the browser, or do i have to alter the fonts completely?
Dec 06 18:40:02 <lcuk> t_s_o, sounds like a sane usability upgrade, but ive never see na way to do it without hacks.  you oculd possibly do some css tweaking
Dec 06 18:41:54 <GeneralAntilles> He apparently wants comments, but there appears to be no way to register an account to post them. <_< http://omag.es/blog/2008/12/06/nokia-n97-the-n810-and-successors-killer/
Dec 06 18:42:37 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: indeed
Dec 06 18:42:41 <Stskeeps> i ran into the same
Dec 06 18:43:23 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png <- weird hildon layout i found dormant from 17 months ago in hildon-desktop :P
Dec 06 18:44:45 <AStorm> N97 is suck, yup
Dec 06 18:44:52 <AStorm> as is Symbian :P
Dec 06 18:46:05 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, lol
Dec 06 18:46:12 <GeneralAntilles> Looks like Ubuntu Mobile or Moblin
Dec 06 18:46:22 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, that's exactly the thing for me.
Dec 06 18:46:28 <Stskeeps> yeah, but widescreen wasn't that bad for browsing
Dec 06 18:46:46 <GeneralAntilles> Whatever may be cool for hardware-wise in a phone, the software kills it.
Dec 06 18:47:04 <GeneralAntilles> I just don't care about Symbion/WinMob/Palm/iPhone OS/whatever
Dec 06 18:47:09 <GeneralAntilles> They're all sucky and limiting
Dec 06 18:47:18 <GeneralAntilles> and I don't want to pay $500+ for "sucky and limiting"
Dec 06 18:48:21 <AStorm> of these, ... I'd pick Linux :P
Dec 06 18:48:31 <GeneralAntilles> Right
Dec 06 18:48:50 <GeneralAntilles> I want to be able to do stuff with a device that costs as much as a small laptop
Dec 06 18:48:57 <GeneralAntilles> Symbian doesn't let me do stuf
Dec 06 18:48:59 <GeneralAntilles> f
Dec 06 18:49:21 <ShadowJK> n97 costs more than a small laptop :)
Dec 06 18:49:54 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, let's not quibble lamely over degrees. . . .
Dec 06 18:50:24 <GeneralAntilles> I could pick out a small laptop which it is marginally less expensive than.
Dec 06 18:50:41 <t_s_o> lcuk: from what i can tell on the forum, altering the minium font size alters everything. but interestingly enough it can be done via bookmarks ;)
Dec 06 18:51:09 <t_s_o> so that one can bump the fontsize up while entering something by bluetooth keyboard and them bump it back down afterwards...
Dec 06 18:52:12 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: but we're finally on a sane level again now (http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer/Screenshot-1.png)
Dec 06 18:52:28 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, lol.
Dec 06 18:52:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 18:52:56 <GeneralAntilles> "Welcome to Mer/the Diablo SDK"
Dec 06 18:53:24 <Stskeeps> at least it's not LCARS.
Dec 06 18:53:28 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Dec 06 18:53:43 <Stskeeps> i've also seperated hildon desktop layout from hildon desktop app
Dec 06 18:53:52 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure if shipping LCARS as default would attract the right or wrong sort of people. :P
Dec 06 18:53:52 <Stskeeps> which means it is possible to tinker with the interface
Dec 06 18:54:21 <Stskeeps> so if you want a widescreen theme, or mess things up, it's easy :P
Dec 06 19:01:23 <GeneralAntilles> Awesome http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSWEN145820081206?rpc=64
Dec 06 19:01:53 <GeneralAntilles> Why can't we just let the losers go under and free up that capital for productive economic pursuits? :\
Dec 06 19:02:19 <Stskeeps> communism, my comrade
Dec 06 19:02:21 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 19:02:29 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, that. :/
Dec 06 19:02:44 <GeneralAntilles> Obama's bringing change my ass.
Dec 06 19:05:09 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles, except that loser will drop a bomb in unemployed people
Dec 06 19:05:10 <ShadowJK> It's a month or more until he becomes president?
Dec 06 19:05:15 <AStorm> :>
Dec 06 19:05:32 <^Tux^> a little over
Dec 06 19:06:44 <ShadowJK> The thing that puzzles me is
Dec 06 19:07:05 <ShadowJK> why do they need money to developer more efficient cars, when they already sell such cars in europe, heh
Dec 06 19:07:31 <^Tux^> probably because of .us epa laws
Dec 06 19:07:38 <AStorm> nah
Dec 06 19:07:38 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Dec 06 19:07:42 <^Tux^> the clusterfuck that it is
Dec 06 19:07:46 <AStorm> because of patents
Dec 06 19:07:58 <AStorm> they can't just steal some ideas
Dec 06 19:08:03 <RST38h> General: ever read Fred?
Dec 06 19:08:30 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, steal what ideas? ShadowJK is talking about the more efficient American cars that Ford, etc sell in Europe
Dec 06 19:08:34 <GeneralAntilles> Not European cars. :\
Dec 06 19:08:51 <RST38h> That "Ford" is actually Mazda =)
Dec 06 19:08:52 <GeneralAntilles> ^Tux^ is right, the EPA regulations are to blame.
Dec 06 19:08:58 <AStorm> ah these
Dec 06 19:09:03 <^Tux^> fuck it.. they'll have to pry my v8's from my cold dying foot
Dec 06 19:09:09 <AStorm> whatever
Dec 06 19:09:11 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Dec 06 19:09:12 <RST38h> General: Anyways, check out http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm
Dec 06 19:09:27 <GeneralAntilles> No, haven't read Fred, RST38h.
Dec 06 19:09:43 <RST38h> The guy is somewhat repetitive but usually fun to read
Dec 06 19:14:26 <Stskeeps> hm, didn't know iTT showed who voted for what
Dec 06 19:14:44 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, depends on the poll
Dec 06 19:18:58 <RST38h> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/12/dos-1.jpg
Dec 06 19:21:22 <lcuk> Stskeeps, wheres that
Dec 06 19:21:39 <Stskeeps> ah, it was the "going to buy n900" poll
Dec 06 19:21:42 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, the one where he voted for who he hates most.
Dec 06 19:22:56 <lcuk> i, for one, am also shocked the poll results are available - not for personal reasons merely because no other online site offers public stats like that
Dec 06 19:23:16 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, lol?
Dec 06 19:23:28 <GeneralAntilles> Lots of forums offer polls
Dec 06 19:24:05 <lcuk> yeah but most dont show who voted for what
Dec 06 19:24:35 <GeneralAntilles> It helps me put together shit lists. :P
Dec 06 19:24:54 * ^Tux^ hates Stskeeps
Dec 06 19:25:00 <Stskeeps> ^Tux^: i know
Dec 06 19:25:01 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 19:25:01 <^Tux^> oh wait.. shit.. I can do it annonymously?
Dec 06 19:25:03 * ^Tux^ runs
Dec 06 19:25:12 <GeneralAntilles> We ALL hate Stskeeps. :P
Dec 06 19:25:28 <^Tux^> if I really hated you.. would I have sat around harassing you for ummm...
Dec 06 19:25:34 <^Tux^> what like almost a decade now?
Dec 06 19:25:34 <^Tux^> :P
Dec 06 19:25:48 <lcuk> tux, love n hate relationship, you love to hate him
Dec 06 19:26:02 <^Tux^> I really love it when he hates me
Dec 06 19:26:02 <^Tux^> :D
Dec 06 19:26:09 <Stskeeps> ^Tux^: yeah, close to (a decade)
Dec 06 19:26:09 <^Tux^> like when the LRTF was in full force
Dec 06 19:26:11 <^Tux^> bwahaha..
Dec 06 19:27:00 * lcuk makes his fishy stop swimming now
Dec 06 19:27:25 <qwerty12_N800> :/
Dec 06 19:28:25 <lcuk> heh qwerty, its part of my rebuild i have a fishy sketch rendering continuously swimming around my screen
Dec 06 19:28:33 <RST38h> lcuk: ading salt, pepper, and boiling the tank?
Dec 06 19:28:48 <GeneralAntilles> lol, liquarium
Dec 06 19:28:55 <lcuk> :D
Dec 06 19:29:01 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, nice :D
Dec 06 19:29:17 <lcuk> actually, its a small shoal of overlapping fishies
Dec 06 19:31:51 * Stskeeps goes port advanced backlight to Mer.
Dec 06 19:32:13 <Stskeeps> (.. again)
Dec 06 19:32:44 * ^Tux^ slaps Stskeeps around a bit with a large trout
Dec 06 19:32:45 <pupnik> n900 should be very exciting device
Dec 06 19:32:49 <^Tux^> do it right the first time, beotch
Dec 06 19:32:49 <^Tux^> ;P
Dec 06 19:33:02 <pupnik> haha @ t-shirt
Dec 06 19:34:25 <sin18> my tablet (nokia n800/diablo) is sporadically updating and get 'rescuing software update please do not interrupt' message when it boots .... any ideas ?
Dec 06 19:34:31 <sin18> updating=rebooting*
Dec 06 19:36:59 <pupnik> wow
Dec 06 19:46:03 <t_s_o> never heard of that before...
Dec 06 19:46:45 * qwerty12_N800 has had it once but after rebooting, it started normally
Dec 06 19:48:05 <t_s_o> http://computershopper.com/feature/apple-computer-the-very-early-years
Dec 06 19:51:33 <GeneralAntilles> sin18, there's supposedly a recovery mode
Dec 06 19:51:39 <GeneralAntilles> I don't really have any details on it, though.
Dec 06 19:52:17 <sin18> GeneralAntilles : surprisingly i couldnt find any info on internetablettalk
Dec 06 19:53:05 <GeneralAntilles> sin18, I don't know what causes it to activate or what, exactly, it does.
Dec 06 20:01:38 * RST38h yawns widely
Dec 06 20:06:18 <pupnik> need to build dosbox with dynrec core...
Dec 06 20:27:38 <RST38h> More ugly iPhone-related shit: http://gizmodo.com/5103465/santa-live-iphone-app-pulled-due-to-even-more-controversy
Dec 06 20:31:18 <Stskeeps> heh
Dec 06 20:31:21 * Stskeeps hugs his tablet
Dec 06 20:32:08 <ssvb> pupnik: I heard that dosbox dynrec core for ARM is not so fast as it could be, what was your experience using it?
Dec 06 20:33:34 * qwerty12_N800 remembers Scary Movie 2 with "Santa Claus is coming to moms"
Dec 06 20:35:57 * ^Tux^ slaps Stskeeps around a bit with a large trout
Dec 06 20:37:50 <pupnik> haven't tried it yet ssvb
Dec 06 20:37:59 <ssvb> ok, i see
Dec 06 20:38:23 <ssvb> I just thought that it might be a good idea to try improving it
Dec 06 20:42:26 <b1ackdeath> i have the my n810 with the rotation stuff installed but, the applactation manager always wants to update the kernel flasher and destroy it, is there a way to tell the aplaction manager that its update
Dec 06 20:43:15 <qwerty12_N800> google something like apt-get pinning
Dec 06 20:43:31 <b1ackdeath> sorry about the spelling i have really bad dyslexia
Dec 06 20:43:34 <b1ackdeath> ok
Dec 06 20:43:47 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800, osv-u?
Dec 06 20:43:51 <GeneralAntilles> outpo.st/rotate
Dec 06 20:44:16 <qwerty12_N800> GeneralAntilles, ?
Dec 06 20:44:38 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800, osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked should solve it, right?
Dec 06 20:45:52 <qwerty12_N800> I think his problem is that the original kernel / xserver keeps showing up as an update. Jott installs his own version of osso-software-version
Dec 06 20:46:13 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800, jott just uses Nokia's osv-u
Dec 06 20:46:35 <GeneralAntilles> He just provides it himself since Nokia can't seem to wrap their heads around proper repository structures.
Dec 06 20:47:13 <qwerty12_N800> True, but with differences. Look at the ~rotate epochs with jott's version
Dec 06 20:47:17 <Stskeeps> mvo seems to be busy on documentation/making policy, atleast
Dec 06 20:47:40 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12_N800, either way, jott's method seems to be slightly easy to use than pinning.
Dec 06 20:47:48 <GeneralAntilles> "apt-get install rotation-support-n810"
Dec 06 20:49:09 <qwerty12_N800> I don't know how rotation was installed by b1ackdeath but back to the transporter 3 :)
Dec 06 20:51:06 <InteliWasp> is there any problems with canola beta 9 maemo3?
Dec 06 20:51:13 <b1ackdeath> qwerty12_N800,  i installed kernel-diablo-flasher_2.6.21-200823maemo3_all.modfied.deb,libxrandr2_1.2.1-1_armel.deb,rotate-sb-plugin_0.1-1_armel.deb,xserver-xomap_1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202_armel.modfied.deb
Dec 06 20:51:37 <qwerty12_N800> sounds like the old shit I put out. use GeneralAntilles's link
Dec 06 20:51:47 <b1ackdeath> ok
Dec 06 20:52:03 <GeneralAntilles> b1ackdeath, you can use adv-backlight for rotation, too.
Dec 06 20:52:13 <b1ackdeath> i do =p
Dec 06 20:52:34 <GeneralAntilles> b1ackdeath, http://outpo.st/rotate
Dec 06 20:52:42 <GeneralAntilles> Click the .install appropriate for your tablet
Dec 06 20:52:54 <GeneralAntilles> Application Manager will bitch at you, tap through its dialogs then close it
Dec 06 20:53:06 <GeneralAntilles> then run "apt-get install rotation-support-n810"
Dec 06 20:53:07 <ShadowJK> does wayfinder work rotated?
Dec 06 21:05:44 <InteliWasp> is there a way to make a text file of all the packages on my n800?
Dec 06 21:06:54 <qwerty12_N800> could try 'dpkg-query -l > /what/ever.txt'
Dec 06 21:11:00 <Stskeeps> evening m-vo
Dec 06 21:15:20 <m-vo> Evening!
Dec 06 21:15:54 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy, m-vo. :)
Dec 06 21:15:59 * m-vo is trying out ERC that he has installed using Tom Tromey's Elisp package manager.
Dec 06 21:16:44 <RST38h> Decoy fails to deploy, but missile test called 'success' <== umgh
Dec 06 21:16:52 <Stskeeps> RST38h: Star Wars project?
Dec 06 21:17:10 <m-vo> GeneralAntilles: I pushed the translations, did you try them?
Dec 06 21:17:15 <InteliWasp> qwerty12_N800, thanks
Dec 06 21:17:28 <RST38h> Sts: goddamn interceptor-based missile defense
Dec 06 21:17:33 <Stskeeps> RST38h: yup, SDI :P
Dec 06 21:18:00 <Stskeeps> it's not a good system when even a west wing episode deals with the topic..
Dec 06 21:18:01 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 21:18:12 <GeneralAntilles> m-vo, haven't looked yet, gearing up for finals next week. ;)
Dec 06 21:18:26 <Stskeeps> .. or even robocop
Dec 06 21:18:36 <RST38h> Sts: SDI was a little bit different animal
Dec 06 21:19:03 <RST38h> Sts: This one is based on intercepting a ballistic missile at the early stage (after launch)
Dec 06 21:19:12 <Stskeeps> true
Dec 06 21:19:44 <RST38h> Sts: Bush majorly pissed off the Russians by insisting on placing it in .PL and .CZ "to protect against Iran"
Dec 06 21:20:00 <RST38h> And the thing doesn't even work properly =(
Dec 06 21:20:12 <m-vo> GeneralAntilles: ahh, good luck!
Dec 06 21:20:49 <Stskeeps> RST38h: given his knowledge of geography, he probably thinks iran is a state within russia.
Dec 06 21:22:14 <RST38h> Sts: Whatever he thinks, his handlers definitely know what they are doing
Dec 06 21:31:25 * Stskeeps queues advanced-backlight for build
Dec 06 21:33:09 <RST38h> reminds me to make myself an empty project for the status bar applet
Dec 06 21:35:34 <Stskeeps> lo moontiger
Dec 06 21:35:52 <moontiger> yo!
Dec 06 21:35:54 <moontiger> :)
Dec 06 21:36:06 <moontiger> public internet in madrid sux
Dec 06 21:36:20 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 06 21:36:30 <Stskeeps> aren't there hordes of FON spots?
Dec 06 21:36:42 <moontiger> nope
Dec 06 21:37:03 <moontiger> ut i do have my 3g data plan and can connect thru that at reasonable speeds
Dec 06 21:37:07 <moontiger> +b
Dec 06 21:37:27 <moontiger> im on prepaid right now so its 1.39E per day
Dec 06 21:39:14 <RST38h> Not bad
Dec 06 21:43:06 <Meiz_n810> here i would be 1.39E per megabyte
Dec 06 21:46:07 <pupnik> those insane roaming costs should be ruled illegal
Dec 06 21:46:46 <GeneralAntilles> lol, pupnik. :p
Dec 06 21:46:52 <GeneralAntilles> they just need to kill the damn monopolies
Dec 06 21:47:08 <Meiz_n810> pupnik: it is not roaming :)
Dec 06 21:47:16 <Stskeeps> pupnik: yet when you're standing in the mountains of poland and you have no wifi nearby to catch with the tablet.. you pay it :(
Dec 06 21:48:47 <Meiz_n810> Ubuntu-MID is installable =P
Dec 06 21:49:12 <pupnik> Meiz_n810: on N8x0?
Dec 06 21:49:18 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: scary
Dec 06 21:49:18 <Meiz_n810> yes
Dec 06 21:49:31 <Stskeeps> flash or kourou?
Dec 06 21:50:05 <Meiz_n810> both are available but i have no idea what it will use
Dec 06 21:50:09 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 06 21:50:19 <Stskeeps> interesting anyway :)
Dec 06 21:50:35 * Stskeeps continues beating adv-backlight into submission
Dec 06 21:50:55 * GeneralAntilles comforts adv-backlight.
Dec 06 21:52:52 <Stskeeps> atleast with this build procedure we're sure the packages are clean and neat. :P
Dec 06 21:55:31 <pupnik> "24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case....   Coincidence?" --Stephen Wright
Dec 06 21:56:02 <t_s_o> :P
Dec 06 21:59:30 <^Tux^> slow drinkers
Dec 06 21:59:31 <^Tux^> :(
Dec 06 22:00:28 <t_s_o> smart drinkers ;)
Dec 06 22:02:58 <^Tux^> naw
Dec 06 22:03:08 <^Tux^> I'm suffering SNRI withdrawal and already had 19 today
Dec 06 22:03:17 <x29a> this seems to be a dev chan, is there a newbie/consumer chan as well?
Dec 06 22:03:25 <^Tux^> it takes the edge off of the work week
Dec 06 22:03:31 <GeneralAntilles> x29a, this is everything Maemo
Dec 06 22:03:59 <x29a> GeneralAntilles: ah ok, what device do you have?
Dec 06 22:04:08 <GeneralAntilles> Several
Dec 06 22:04:15 <x29a> i cant wait for my n810, so im trying to get all the information i can get
Dec 06 22:04:55 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org has a lot of good info
Dec 06 22:08:21 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: latest installer in svn?
Dec 06 22:08:36 <Meiz_n810> (mer installer/image builer)
Dec 06 22:09:57 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: it's on bzr now.. sec, lemme make you a tar.gz
Dec 06 22:10:17 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 06 22:14:34 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-imager-20081206-2311.tar.gz , cd mer-imager, sh imager targets/mer-n800-fs-only /your/mounted/partition
Dec 06 22:15:49 <Meiz_n810> ok
Dec 06 22:17:42 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps:
Dec 06 22:17:43 <Meiz_n810> + echo __ Bootstrapping into
Dec 06 22:17:46 <Meiz_n810> shit
Dec 06 22:17:52 <Stskeeps> forgotaparameter? :P
Dec 06 22:17:59 <Meiz_n810> wait, i'll pastebin
Dec 06 22:18:11 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 06 22:18:15 <Meiz_n810> yes i forgeo
Dec 06 22:18:18 <Meiz_n810> forgot
Dec 06 22:18:27 <Meiz_n810> my bad (again)
Dec 06 22:18:29 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 06 22:18:32 <Meiz_n810> =P
Dec 06 22:18:37 <Stskeeps> you have no idea how many times i've screwed up :)
Dec 06 22:19:17 <GeneralAntilles> We should really take away your license to hack at some point. :P
Dec 06 22:19:58 <Stskeeps> 10 years of hacking in public and it hasn't happened yet
Dec 06 22:20:06 <Stskeeps> .. even though i did have some hillarious bugs
Dec 06 22:20:30 <Stskeeps> like, an IRCd going on a killing spree and /kill'ing the entire network
Dec 06 22:20:34 <Stskeeps> cos of a parsing error
Dec 06 22:20:41 <Stskeeps> that was times..
Dec 06 22:20:42 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 22:20:51 <^Tux^> no
Dec 06 22:20:55 <Stskeeps> now i'm in pervasive healthcare instead. ponder that.
Dec 06 22:20:57 <^Tux^> times was when I found a bug in bahamut
Dec 06 22:20:59 <^Tux^> told devels
Dec 06 22:21:05 <^Tux^> they issued a "fix" that was shit
Dec 06 22:21:10 <^Tux^> then went back and started killing dalnet
Dec 06 22:21:11 <^Tux^> ;(
Dec 06 22:21:49 <^Tux^> I think I still have my "bahamut-fuck" alias bound
Dec 06 22:23:49 <Meiz_n810> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6988247315953961035
Dec 06 22:24:13 <Meiz_n810> nitdroid would be nice with dualboot and working wifi
Dec 06 22:24:56 <Stskeeps> mm, solca's selector will be nice to have
Dec 06 22:25:03 <Meiz_n810> yep
Dec 06 22:25:20 <Meiz_n810> we'll have it someday
Dec 06 22:25:46 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: got a new camera or a steady cam? you move it like a robot.
Dec 06 22:25:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 22:25:51 <Stskeeps> .. or just zoom
Dec 06 22:26:32 <Meiz_n810> not zoom, not robot, not my hand
Dec 06 22:26:36 <t_s_o> ah, no phone is complete without a snake game. thats what made those early nokia gsm's so hot ;)
Dec 06 22:26:50 <Meiz_n810> :P
Dec 06 22:27:05 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: pretty neat though
Dec 06 22:27:24 <Stskeeps> just goes to show how versatile this device is
Dec 06 22:27:29 <Meiz_n810> it is nice, but still not replacing maemo
Dec 06 22:27:52 <Meiz_n810> crashing at the end is cool :)
Dec 06 22:28:51 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: but yeah.. maemo needs to shape up similar to that to compete i guess
Dec 06 22:28:55 <t_s_o> heh, yellow out rather then white out, nice
Dec 06 22:29:31 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: wtf @ the last thing showing on screen
Dec 06 22:29:32 <Stskeeps> sec
Dec 06 22:29:43 <Meiz_n810> fadeout is always different color :)
Dec 06 22:30:02 <Stskeeps> 02:08 shows residue of the tiger and clock, pretty neat :P
Dec 06 22:30:46 <Meiz_n810> i did notg mean to crash it
Dec 06 22:30:50 <Meiz_n810> :)
Dec 06 22:30:59 <Stskeeps> yeah yeah ;)
Dec 06 22:31:04 <Meiz_n810> it crashed just the right time
Dec 06 22:31:28 <Meiz_n810> i had no idea what should i have done next
Dec 06 22:31:43 <Meiz_n810> fuck my english skills
Dec 06 22:31:55 <Meiz_n810> :0
Dec 06 22:31:57 <Meiz_n810> :P
Dec 06 22:32:41 <Stskeeps> you have better english than me at 13 :P
Dec 06 22:32:49 <Stskeeps> it did improve after several years on irc though
Dec 06 22:33:08 <Meiz_n810> what about when you were 14?
Dec 06 22:34:42 * Meiz_n810 hates his slow internet connection
Dec 06 22:35:13 <Meiz_n810> (the slowness, not the connection :P)
Dec 06 22:36:41 <Stskeeps> 14 wasn't much better. :P
Dec 06 22:37:06 <Meiz_n810> android itself does not die when fading away, the userspace just crashes
Dec 06 22:37:30 <Meiz_n810> i am able to run reboot from computer :)
Dec 06 22:37:30 <Stskeeps> a
Dec 06 22:37:31 <Stskeeps> h
Dec 06 22:38:08 <suihkulokki> t_s_o: they have a 3d snakes as a free downloadable game for current symbian phones
Dec 06 22:38:27 <Stskeeps> i think the main motivation for having a later kernel on n8x0s for me, is so RNDIS works.. :P
Dec 06 22:38:32 <t_s_o> not surprised ;)
Dec 06 22:40:20 <Meiz__n810> Stskeeps: mer installer stopped after Extacting :(
Dec 06 22:40:34 <Stskeeps> Meiz__n810: swap activated?
Dec 06 22:40:42 <Meiz__n810> no
Dec 06 22:40:51 <Meiz__n810> i'll try with swap
Dec 06 22:42:18 <Meiz__n810> debootstrap command has --variant=minbase two times
Dec 06 22:42:23 <Stskeeps> eh
Dec 06 22:42:29 <Stskeeps> will fix, shouldn't hurt
Dec 06 22:42:48 <Meiz__n810> k
Dec 06 22:52:47 <Meiz__n810> Stskeeps: works now :)
Dec 06 22:52:52 <Stskeeps> woo
Dec 06 23:20:56 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: you are aware the install will take .. ages?, right? :P
Dec 06 23:21:27 <Meiz_n810> it just failed again
Dec 06 23:21:45 <Stskeeps> ar fuck
Dec 06 23:21:46 <Stskeeps> how?
Dec 06 23:21:49 <Meiz_n810> apt-get nagged about depends
Dec 06 23:21:55 <Stskeeps> fine, i'd like to se
Dec 06 23:21:55 <Stskeeps> e
Dec 06 23:22:08 <Meiz_n810> how can i skip debootstrapping partg
Dec 06 23:22:33 <Meiz_n810> is there a log i can show you?
Dec 06 23:22:36 <Stskeeps> prefix with NO_DEBOOTSTRAP=1y
Dec 06 23:22:48 <Stskeeps> yeah, the nag about depends :P
Dec 06 23:23:06 <Stskeeps> also remember to umount /yourtarget/proc /yourtarget/dev/pts
Dec 06 23:23:19 <Meiz_n810> not workig
Dec 06 23:23:26 <Stskeeps> hm?
Dec 06 23:23:33 <Meiz_n810> it debootstrapps anybay
Dec 06 23:23:36 <Meiz_n810> way
Dec 06 23:23:39 <Stskeeps> ctrl-c it
Dec 06 23:23:57 <Meiz_n810> done it already
Dec 06 23:24:00 <Stskeeps> NO_DEBOOTSTRAP=1 sh imager targets/mer-n800-only-fs /yourtarget
Dec 06 23:24:35 <Meiz_n810> it starts debootstrapping as i said
Dec 06 23:24:41 <Meiz_n810> ah
Dec 06 23:24:44 <Meiz_n810> sorry
Dec 06 23:24:47 <Meiz_n810> wait
Dec 06 23:25:38 <Meiz_n810> now it failed to mount /proc because it is already mounted :P
Dec 06 23:25:43 <Meiz_n810> i'll umount i
Dec 06 23:25:45 <Meiz_n810> it
Dec 06 23:26:32 <Meiz_n810> now it seems to work
Dec 06 23:27:05 <Meiz_n810> failed
Dec 06 23:27:13 <Stskeeps> please to pastebin
Dec 06 23:29:14 <Meiz_n810> http://pastebin.com/m74eed2f5
Dec 06 23:29:52 <Meiz_n810> i will go to sleep...
Dec 06 23:30:06 <Stskeeps> alright, ta
Dec 06 23:30:10 <Stskeeps> i'll look at this.. weird error
Dec 06 23:47:06 <l7> is this the most recent version of streamripper for maemo? -> www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8306
Dec 06 23:50:06 <Knowledge> Still no word on the new tablet?
Dec 06 23:50:17 <Stskeeps> plenty of rumours
Dec 06 23:50:17 <GeneralAntilles> Knowledge, same as last time.
Dec 06 23:50:24 <GeneralAntilles> Trust me, you'll notice when it's announced.
Dec 06 23:51:21 <Knowledge> Damn it...I want to buy something
Dec 06 23:51:40 <woglinde> Knowledge bye some money
Dec 06 23:51:43 <Knowledge> I already have everything that I need...and most of what I want.
Dec 06 23:52:06 <GeneralAntilles> Knowledge, put the $500 in a 6 month CD and wait. :P
Dec 06 23:52:22 <Knowledge> 6 months?!...dude...that would blow
Dec 06 23:52:31 <GeneralAntilles> Summer 2009
Dec 06 23:52:36 <GeneralAntilles> Beta SDK is coming out in May
Dec 06 23:52:38 <Knowledge> you're not kidding are you...
Dec 06 23:53:30 <Knowledge> hmm...I'm hoping it'll be one HELL of a device
Dec 06 23:53:38 <Knowledge> but then again with nokia, how wouldn't it be
Dec 06 23:53:46 <^Tux^> they'
Dec 06 23:53:47 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP3430, HD camera, HDPA?
Dec 06 23:53:52 <GeneralAntilles> The signs are there.
Dec 06 23:53:55 <^Tux^> ve bought a bunch of old ipaqs
Dec 06 23:53:59 <^Tux^> and are rebranding them
Dec 06 23:54:01 <^Tux^> as the new tablets
Dec 06 23:54:11 <^Tux^> nokia tablet Stskeeps edition
Dec 06 23:54:13 <Knowledge> HDPA? as in GSM?
Dec 06 23:54:24 <Stskeeps> HSDÆA
Dec 06 23:54:27 <GeneralAntilles> 3G data
Dec 06 23:54:31 <Stskeeps> .. HSDPA
Dec 06 23:54:31 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 23:54:39 <Knowledge> yeah, hsdpa..that's right
Dec 06 23:54:56 <Knowledge> I already have EVDO...
Dec 06 23:55:08 <GeneralAntilles> Er, HSPA rather
Dec 06 23:55:15 <GeneralAntilles> But I didn't mean HSDPA
Dec 06 23:56:01 <Knowledge> wait, HSPA looks like a better HSDPA...
Dec 06 23:56:20 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be faster than EVDO, anyway.
Dec 06 23:56:44 <Knowledge> pfft...that would be wonderful, I think EVDO is awesome...granted my carrier just got it about a month ago
Dec 06 23:56:52 <Knowledge> sadly
Dec 06 23:56:54 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, right, OpenGL, too.
Dec 06 23:57:05 <GeneralAntilles> 720p decoding
Dec 06 23:57:13 <Knowledge> woah. so, it's going to basically be a netbook?
Dec 06 23:57:20 <GeneralAntilles> So, yeah, there aint much holding this tablet back.
Dec 06 23:57:30 <GeneralAntilles> Er, well, a netbook power in a tablet's formfactor
Dec 06 23:57:40 <Stskeeps> with battery life of a nokia cellphone
Dec 06 23:57:40 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 06 23:57:47 <Knowledge> that's going to be nuts...I can't wait
Dec 06 23:59:41 <Knowledge> wow man, technology has come a far way if you really think about it....from huge computers to something that fits in your pocket...
Dec 06 23:59:45 <soap> the trick will be to sell your current tablet exactly one day before the announcement.  ;)
Dec 06 23:59:58 <Knowledge> No word is what it's going to be called huh?
Dec 07 00:00:01 <GeneralAntilles> soap, why sell?
Dec 07 00:00:23 <GeneralAntilles> Knowledge, nope.
Dec 07 00:00:23 <Stskeeps> we'll be opening a betting pool on the announcement date
Dec 07 00:00:23 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 07 00:00:24 <Knowledge> right, I still have a 770, which is actually beeping at me because the battery is dying...my poor neglected 770
Dec 07 00:00:25 <GeneralAntilles> soap, I used my old ones as remotes, ebook readers or couch browsers
Dec 07 00:00:32 <soap> GeneralAntilles, I, for one, can not afford to own both at the same time.  (and suspect I am not alone in that situation.)
Dec 07 00:01:38 <soap> I already own too many DAPs.  Don't need to start compulsively collecting tablets as well.  ;)
Dec 07 00:02:57 <Knowledge> Man, I keep buying phones to get them to do what my 770 does, but I always end up going back to my 770. And even though I haven't touched my 770 in a long long time...I use my HTC Titan to browse the net, or do simple stuff and think "man, my 770 would whoop this things pitoot"
Dec 07 00:04:39 <GeneralAntilles> You think the 770 would kick something's ass, you need to try an OMAP2 tablet. . . .
Dec 07 00:04:48 <Knowledge> but I really think there should be a better way/place to get apps...
Dec 07 00:04:52 <Knowledge> OMAP2?
Dec 07 00:04:58 <Knowledge> let me joojle
Dec 07 00:05:03 <GeneralAntilles> N8x0
Dec 07 00:05:12 <GeneralAntilles> downloads.maemo.org and Extras. . . .
Dec 07 00:05:42 <Knowledge> oh, yeah...that...I dunno man, there's something about the 810 that I just don't dig...as for the 800, I sold it to go back to my 770
Dec 07 00:06:02 <GeneralAntilles> Um?
Dec 07 00:06:09 <GeneralAntilles> That's a . . . bizarre choice.
Dec 07 00:06:21 <Knowledge> I just couldn't stand looking at it...
Dec 07 00:06:51 <GeneralAntilles> That's an awful strong aesthetic hate. :\
Dec 07 00:06:53 <Knowledge> it looked toooooo.......I dunno how to describe it.....like it tried to hard to be main stream
Dec 07 00:07:48 <Knowledge> with the silver and shiny trim etc...
Dec 07 00:07:57 <GeneralAntilles> :/
Dec 07 00:08:44 <Knowledge> awww don't tell me the new one is going to resemble it...I gotta tell ya, I wouldn't care if that thing could spawn money for you, I wouldn't take it. I really hated the 800...weird I know...
Dec 07 00:09:24 <Stskeeps> Knowledge: people here are mostly maemo community, not getting revenue in any way ;)
Dec 07 00:09:42 <GeneralAntilles> We don't know what it'll look like.
Dec 07 00:09:43 <Knowledge> huh?
Dec 07 00:10:41 <soap_> as long as it looks like more flash, more RAM, and more CPU I'm happy.
Dec 07 00:10:57 <GeneralAntilles> More CPU it'll have. <_<
Dec 07 00:11:02 <GeneralAntilles> 2 or 3 times more.
Dec 07 00:11:46 <GeneralAntilles> There seems to be a remote chance of it having 512MB of RAM.
Dec 07 00:16:43 <Knowledge> Might even be able to run an actual distro...
Dec 07 00:17:18 <GeneralAntilles> Knowledge, well, you can do that now if you've got an N8x0
Dec 07 00:17:28 <Knowledge> what?!
Dec 07 00:17:41 <GeneralAntilles> http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet
Dec 07 00:17:45 <Knowledge> man, I've been out of the loop...I have to catch up
Dec 07 00:17:48 <GeneralAntilles> Should looked past the aesthetics. . . .
Dec 07 00:18:29 <Knowledge> you mean screen shots?
Dec 07 00:22:21 <Knowledge> Wow, 8GB SDHC for the 770? I've gotta dedicate a few hours tomorrow to catching up...
Dec 07 00:22:47 * Stskeeps hopes to target 770 with mer too
Dec 07 00:23:03 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, the 770 is fscking slow
Dec 07 00:23:07 <l7> man, the n97 looks so cool
Dec 07 00:23:31 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: yeah, but did you see the vid the guy who's 770 died to get deblet on it?
Dec 07 00:23:39 <Stskeeps> it wasn't directly bad
Dec 07 00:23:49 <l7> i wonder how many similiarities the n97 and n900 will have
Dec 07 00:23:50 <GeneralAntilles> l7, Symbian sucks.
Dec 07 00:24:06 <GeneralAntilles> l7, well, they wont be sharing a CPU anyway.
Dec 07 00:24:11 <Knowledge> yea, the 770 is slow...
Dec 07 00:24:24 <l7> GeneralAntilles: why? it seems like a decent choice if you want an open-ish phone environment
Dec 07 00:24:37 <l7> i suppose you could also try some of the Motorola Linux phones
Dec 07 00:24:47 <GeneralAntilles> l7, there isn't a single phone OS that interests me.
Dec 07 00:25:08 <GeneralAntilles> l7, I mean, if I'm paying $700 for a phone, it better be a helluva lot more interesting than Symbian. ;)
Dec 07 00:25:17 <l7> heh there is that
Dec 07 00:25:35 <l7> i couldn't find an openssh sever for symbian anywhere
Dec 07 00:26:19 <Stskeeps> symbian is a bit different creature is it? for openssh :P
Dec 07 00:26:35 <rukbat> openssh is not very portable
Dec 07 00:27:08 <l7> it's not the most important feature in a phone
Dec 07 00:27:10 <Knowledge> for 700 dollars, it better come with a bj...
Dec 07 00:27:14 <rukbat> even the linux version needs a good size library to make things look like bsd
Dec 07 00:27:24 <l7> but i have gotten used to shelling into my tablet for all sorts of stuff
Dec 07 00:27:25 <Knowledge> quick question...OS2007, BT PAN possible?
Dec 07 00:28:03 <Stskeeps> wasn't the something about BT version in 770?
Dec 07 00:28:11 <l7> 700 is about the same price as an unlocked iphone, though the n97's hardware does seem better
Dec 07 00:29:08 <l7> if only the n900 could function as a phone too
Dec 07 00:29:19 <GeneralAntilles> voip
Dec 07 00:29:45 <GeneralAntilles> I'd actually be interested to see how that might perform.
Dec 07 00:29:58 <l7> it's a little difficult to recieve calls with voip isn't it?
Dec 07 00:30:03 <Knowledge> damn it no BT PAN.
Dec 07 00:30:10 <GeneralAntilles> l7, how do you mean?
Dec 07 00:30:20 <l7> seems like it would almost always go to voicemail when someone calls you
Dec 07 00:30:23 <GeneralAntilles> VoIP can be 100% transparent to the user.
Dec 07 00:30:27 <GeneralAntilles> Er, why?
Dec 07 00:30:42 <l7> how would you answer unless you had a network connection?
Dec 07 00:30:51 <GeneralAntilles> 3g. . . .
Dec 07 00:31:56 <Knowledge> Simultanious Voice and Data?
Dec 07 00:32:05 <GeneralAntilles> VoIP over 3G
Dec 07 00:32:11 <l7> if 3g stays connected all the time, i guess it would work
Dec 07 00:32:14 <Knowledge> Simultaneous I meant
Dec 07 00:32:26 <GeneralAntilles> Knowledge, the N900 is data-only
Dec 07 00:32:29 <GeneralAntilles> VoIP is just more data
Dec 07 00:32:45 <Knowledge> Well, EVDO (tethered) you could do voice and data...
Dec 07 00:33:05 <l7> it is kind of a cool idea, if you could just get a good data only plan
Dec 07 00:33:18 <GeneralAntilles> l7, I've been wondering about that
Dec 07 00:33:21 <Knowledge> I have 2 phones with the same ESN (yes yes, I know illegal)....I tethered with one, and called with the other...and it worked....but incoming still doesn't work
Dec 07 00:33:25 <GeneralAntilles> I think you can get a $30/mo plan from AT&T
Dec 07 00:33:49 <l7> hrm, that's not a bad deal
Dec 07 00:34:20 <l7> i've heard AT&T's network coverage lags a bit behind Sprint and verizon
Dec 07 00:34:34 <l7> but if you in a metro area it should be okay
Dec 07 00:35:27 <Knowledge> Another question...2007 = diablo?
Dec 07 00:35:37 <GeneralAntilles> No
Dec 07 00:35:41 <Knowledge> damn it.
Dec 07 00:35:42 <GeneralAntilles> Diablo is Maemo 4.1
Dec 07 00:35:44 <GeneralAntilles> OS2008.1
Dec 07 00:35:48 <Knowledge> ohh...
Dec 07 00:35:49 <Knowledge> I see
Dec 07 00:37:37 <Knowledge> I can't remember what I flashed onto my 770
Dec 07 00:37:47 <Knowledge> I hope 08, since Bluetooth pan is possible
Dec 07 00:38:00 <Stskeeps> probably chinook HE
Dec 07 00:38:34 <woglinde> Knowledge hm there is one small error with pan and smartphones like htc
Dec 07 00:38:50 <Knowledge> ?
Dec 07 00:38:54 <l7> hmm, i wonder what kind of fancy tricks you could pull with an asterix server, voip and an n900
Dec 07 00:39:50 <Knowledge> woglinde: what is the error?
Dec 07 00:40:05 <woglinde> Knowledge maemo will think its pda
Dec 07 00:40:14 <Knowledge> hmm...
Dec 07 00:40:20 <woglinde> and will not allow you do make inet connection over it
Dec 07 00:40:34 <woglinde> but you can change this in the  gconf-reg
Dec 07 00:41:38 <Knowledge> hmm, I should try my other phone and see if I could tether...brb
Dec 07 00:46:45 <Knowledge> is there a repository list that I could download?
Dec 07 00:48:04 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: works for me (tm), did you remember to clean out your fs first before installing on top?
Dec 07 01:38:54 * rukbat sits in StsN800's lap
Dec 07 01:59:16 <zakkm> If i have transmission and i saved it to mmc-internal ... where would it save it to?
Dec 07 01:59:38 <zakkm> cant find it anywhere
Dec 07 01:59:56 <zakkm> "mmc-undefined-name-internal"
Dec 07 02:05:21 <zakkm> does anywhere know where mmc-undefined-name-internal is .. in /
Dec 07 02:06:36 <SmackPotat> i want sound input on a usb sound card on a 770 i have the hardware and the drivers loaded and its showing up as /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c  so what should i do next
Dec 07 02:07:55 <SmackPotat> its a file zakkm
Dec 07 02:07:59 <SmackPotat> ?
Dec 07 02:08:04 <zakkm> its a folder?
Dec 07 02:08:22 <zakkm> its a variable for a folder
Dec 07 02:09:04 <SmackPotat> in root try this find / -name mmc-und*
Dec 07 02:09:14 <inteliwasp> are there still any problems with diablo or can i move to that now?
Dec 07 02:09:27 <timeless> diablo's how many months old now?
Dec 07 02:09:43 <timeless> its only problem is that it doesn't get updated very often :)
Dec 07 02:09:50 <GeneralAntilles> inteliwasp, just upgrade.
Dec 07 02:10:03 <SmackPotat> on my 810 it has always worked great
Dec 07 02:10:46 <inteliwasp> b/c i saw on the canola site that they said that m player and other thigs are not ready yet...
Dec 07 02:11:09 <GeneralAntilles> They work fine
Dec 07 02:11:30 <GeneralAntilles> Chinook's now a year old.
Dec 07 02:11:39 <inteliwasp> oh nice... *begings flashing...*
Dec 07 02:12:48 <timeless> backup first?
Dec 07 02:13:54 * inteliwasp has a fit if he dies not back up, and besides nothing is on the n800 without being on other storage mediums first
Dec 07 02:14:08 <SmackPotat> using my 770 for audio project is coming a long i now have a 16g card mounted and a usb sound card
Dec 07 02:15:41 <inteliwasp> ....
Dec 07 02:16:06 <inteliwasp> my flasher does not like my predownloaded img...
Dec 07 02:16:11 <inteliwasp> oh well...
Dec 07 02:17:28 <zakkm> GeneralAntilles
Dec 07 02:17:38 <zakkm> where is mmc-undefined-name-internal
Dec 07 02:24:07 <oilinki> SmackPotat: what is the benefit of using usb sound card?
Dec 07 02:28:52 <timeless> external mic/line in?
Dec 07 02:29:05 <timeless> the 770 doesn't have a mic jack
Dec 07 02:29:18 <timeless> of an fm radio for that matter
Dec 07 02:30:19 <LiraNuna> any comparison of N97 vs N810
Dec 07 02:30:53 <GeneralAntilles> LiraNuna, the N97 isn't released yet
Dec 07 02:31:00 <oilinki> ah. I did not read well enough, sp did say 'sound input' .. sorry.
Dec 07 02:31:14 <LiraNuna> http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article5274882.ece
Dec 07 02:31:18 <LiraNuna> "launches" as keyword
Dec 07 02:31:20 <timeless> it's ok, i did a double take when i first read it a while ago
Dec 07 02:31:35 <LiraNuna> ah
Dec 07 02:31:59 <LiraNuna> I hate the iPhone and I want to either get the N810 WiMAX or N97
Dec 07 02:32:01 <GeneralAntilles> I'm wondering if the N900 will actually turn out to be Nokia's first OMAP3 device.
Dec 07 02:32:15 <timeless> who cares?
Dec 07 02:32:24 <benh> woul be nice to have a decent 3d engine
Dec 07 02:32:25 <timeless> if it is, that just means it'll be buggier :)
Dec 07 02:32:29 <benh> like some omap3 seem to have
Dec 07 02:32:43 <timeless> all things considered, as a customer, i'd rather have device #5
Dec 07 02:32:43 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, well, it'd represent a first for the tablets.
Dec 07 02:32:56 <timeless> bleeding edge?
Dec 07 02:33:02 <GeneralAntilles> benh, the next tablet is coming with OpenGL.
Dec 07 02:33:04 <oilinki> I'm mostly waiting for NXX which would have GSM chip inside
Dec 07 02:33:05 <timeless> is that really a first you want?
Dec 07 02:33:14 <benh> GeneralAntilles: have there been an announce or article yet ?
Dec 07 02:33:17 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, I didn't say I wanted anything. :P
Dec 07 02:33:22 <SmackPotat> oilinki,  the 770 doesnt have a audio in and i want to connmect a fm radio
Dec 07 02:33:27 <GeneralAntilles> It'd be an interesting change of pace, though.
Dec 07 02:33:47 <timeless> hey, the touch screen was a first
Dec 07 02:33:50 <GeneralAntilles> benh, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html
Dec 07 02:33:52 <timeless> we did bleed there :)
Dec 07 02:33:59 <oilinki> SmackPotat: undestood. I did not read your line well enough before :)
Dec 07 02:34:01 <benh> well, omap3 can have powervr in it, though i don't think the GL ES stack is open source
Dec 07 02:34:02 <timeless> (bleeding is like leading but with 2 spelling errors)
Dec 07 02:34:06 <benh> GeneralAntilles: thanks !
Dec 07 02:34:22 <GeneralAntilles> Either way, S60 doesn't really have much to do with Maemo.
Dec 07 02:34:30 <SmackPotat> cool im a bit behind on the conversation
Dec 07 02:34:35 <LiraNuna> "Nokia executive Ari Jaaksi revealed today in a keynote at the Open Source in Mobile show that Nokia will add 3G/HSPA capabilities to an OMAP3-optimized Maemo 5 release for the tablets" am I reading this right?
Dec 07 02:34:53 <timeless> stop reading, it's hazardous to your health
Dec 07 02:34:53 <GeneralAntilles> LiraNuna, that announcement is from months ago.
Dec 07 02:34:54 <pupnik> yeah :)
Dec 07 02:34:56 <zakkm> where is mmc-undefined-name-internal
Dec 07 02:35:00 <zakkm> in / ?
Dec 07 02:35:03 <pupnik> dunno
Dec 07 02:35:04 <timeless> how can you be an uninformed /. user
Dec 07 02:35:11 <timeless> if you actually read the articles...
Dec 07 02:35:11 <zakkm> ?
Dec 07 02:35:15 <timeless> tsk
Dec 07 02:35:17 <zakkm> what articles?
Dec 07 02:35:30 <timeless> zakkm /media/mmc1 or /media/mmc2
Dec 07 02:35:36 <zakkm> transmission said it downloaded to mmc-undefined-name-internal and i cant find it anywehre
Dec 07 02:35:43 <zakkm> thank you
Dec 07 02:36:05 <timeless> and file a bug
Dec 07 02:37:07 <GeneralAntilles> I'm a bit surprised that the N97 is gonna ship with an ARM11
Dec 07 02:39:17 * timeless wonders what an arm11 is
Dec 07 02:39:33 <GeneralAntilles> Slower than a Cortex A8
Dec 07 02:39:48 <timeless> slow is good, right?
Dec 07 02:39:55 <timeless> better battery life
Dec 07 02:40:02 <GeneralAntilles> Sorry, no.
Dec 07 02:40:18 <timeless> i'm in a strange mood
Dec 07 02:40:22 <timeless> i've been starving for hours
Dec 07 02:40:26 <GeneralAntilles> Cortex A8 is significantly more efficient than an ARM11 at the same performance level.
Dec 07 02:40:30 <timeless> and i filed ~5 security bugs
Dec 07 02:40:42 <GeneralAntilles> Go eat something then go to sleep. :P
Dec 07 02:44:58 <lcuk> timeless, i hope one of your bugs was "feeling hungry, nothing in stomach"  and that you actually managed to resolve it
Dec 07 02:50:25 <timeless> i failed to resolve it
Dec 07 02:50:49 <timeless> lcuk: have you read that bug?
Dec 07 02:51:40 <timeless> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102849 => lcuk
Dec 07 02:52:07 <lcuk> hahahahah
Dec 07 02:52:42 <lcuk> no, i hadnt :D
Dec 07 02:54:29 <lcuk> timeless, you areally are timeless
Dec 07 02:55:23 <timeless> it's 5til 5a
Dec 07 02:55:28 <timeless> food closes officially at 5a
Dec 07 02:55:35 <timeless> but they stop producing sooner
Dec 07 02:56:18 <lcuk> same everywhere - they dont want an order that will take 30 mins coming in 2 minutes before closing
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