**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 12 02:59:57 2008
Dec 12 03:23:42 <disco_stu> ~curse Newton
Dec 12 03:23:59 <disco_stu> lol
Dec 12 03:55:58 <FrankB_TX> How does one add a page to the maemo.org wiki?
Dec 12 03:56:38 <GeneralAntilles> FrankB_TX, just go to the page name you want to create.
Dec 12 03:56:48 <FrankB_TX> Ah thanks
Dec 12 04:02:06 <hugo33> I'm porting a Java app (written w/ NetBeans) to run on the N810. Eclipse will generate a SWT-based app whereas NetBeans uses Swing. Has anyone in here written apps that should run on multiple platforms (Maemo being one, Windows the other)? Have you any comments re: languages, GUI toolkits etc.? WxWindows looks promising, so does Qt, ...
Dec 12 04:08:39 <timeless> xul :)
Dec 12 04:10:30 * hugo33 laughs
Dec 12 04:12:57 <FrankB_TX> So i made a page that would have saved me some time
Dec 12 04:13:15 <FrankB_TX> Accessing this channel with rtcomm
Dec 12 04:13:42 <FrankB_TX> IRC_rtcomm
Dec 12 04:14:04 <FrankB_TX> Worth putting in user topics?
Dec 12 04:14:25 <GeneralAntilles> XChat's an easier option. ;)
Dec 12 04:14:58 <Robot101> :;(
Dec 12 04:15:02 <Robot101> er, :'(
Dec 12 04:15:11 <FrankB_TX> I tried that
Dec 12 04:15:17 <GeneralAntilles> Robot101, can I install the beta from Extras-devel yet?
Dec 12 04:15:17 <FrankB_TX> Wouldn't install
Dec 12 04:15:24 <FrankB_TX> Not in extras
Dec 12 04:15:28 <GeneralAntilles> FrankB_TX, yes it is.
Dec 12 04:15:33 <GeneralAntilles> Extras-devel anyway
Dec 12 04:15:46 <FrankB_TX> That's not quite the same
Dec 12 04:15:59 <FrankB_TX> I suppose rtcomm's not either
Dec 12 04:16:05 <FrankB_TX> Or is it now
Dec 12 04:16:21 <FrankB_TX> Any way i'd rather reuse what i have installed
Dec 12 04:16:40 <FrankB_TX> But it wasn't obvious to me how to join a channel
Dec 12 04:17:27 <FrankB_TX> So i can trash the page or add some screen shots to improve it
Dec 12 04:17:41 <GeneralAntilles> Why trash it?
Dec 12 04:17:57 <FrankB_TX> Well if xchat is better...
Dec 12 04:18:51 <FrankB_TX> How do you add it to users?
Dec 12 04:19:43 <FrankB_TX> Sorry
Dec 12 04:20:03 <FrankB_TX> How do you add it to user docs?
Dec 12 04:21:51 <FrankB_TX> Never mind i see
Dec 12 04:23:41 <Navi> Just keep the page
Dec 12 04:23:47 <FrankB_TX> Thanks for the help General
Dec 12 04:23:59 <FrankB_TX> Navi, I left it
Dec 12 04:24:15 <Navi> Add a disclaimer somewhere that if the person goes with rtcomm, they are a loser
Dec 12 04:24:21 <FrankB_TX> Hah
Dec 12 04:24:26 <Navi> :)
Dec 12 04:24:33 <FrankB_TX> I'm a loser baby
Dec 12 04:25:50 <Navi> hugo33: timeless will always suggest his baby
Dec 12 04:26:04 <hugo33> ah
Dec 12 04:26:21 <Navi> hugo33: I haven't heard anything about wxwindows on the tablets since it was hildonized
Dec 12 04:26:34 <Navi> I don't suggest depending on that for the tablets
Dec 12 04:27:07 <Navi> Support is shaky and nothing uses it, so it's another dep to install
Dec 12 04:27:12 * hugo33 nods
Dec 12 04:28:22 <hugo33> Because of the requirements of the project, it's coming down to a choice between H2(database)+Hibernate+Java+Eclipse and GTK+SQLite+(some IDE). The app has to run on Windows and Linux (one binary per platform is fine) and has to access an embedded SQL database that resides in the same folder as the app.
Dec 12 04:28:59 <hugo33> That's why Java is so appealing. Cross-platform language, cross-platform graphical toolkit (SWT), cross-platform database (SQL) accessed with a cross-platform SQL engine (H2).
Dec 12 04:29:47 <hugo33> ...but Jalimo is relatively new, whereas hildonized GTK would not only run on Maemo but also on Ubuntu Linux (i386) and Windows.
Dec 12 04:30:38 <Navi> heh
Dec 12 04:31:52 <hugo33> If Maemo supported Swing then I would stick with NetBeans... but since SWT is what Jalimo currently supports (and since the efforts to recompile OpenJDK w/ IcedTea to run on the N810 have met with mixed results), I'm looking hard at Eclipse. Eclipse also has Maemo plug-ins of some kind.
Dec 12 04:32:13 <Navi> Mmm
Dec 12 04:33:39 <Navi> Well, the Eclipse plugin that has to do with Maemo is for use with scratchbox
Dec 12 04:34:01 <Navi> I think there might be another one that was python-related
Dec 12 04:35:45 <Navi> But uh, does the tablets have a nicely running jalimo port/build?
Dec 12 04:37:51 <hugo33> Nokia N810 has been running Jalimo reasonably well for about a year now, I gather. I'm still tempted to try to run IcedTea on the N810, just to see if I can build a native .deb package for it. :) I know it'll take ages (it's not a fast CPU) but why not?
Dec 12 05:21:15 <hugo33> PyMaemo looks good.
Dec 12 05:32:27 <Proteous> icecream sundays look good too
Dec 12 05:33:40 <Navi> used frequently
Dec 12 06:00:02 <pupnik> i'd like to see a graph of cvs commits globally in the last year
Dec 12 06:00:19 <pupnik> betcha they took a dive
Dec 12 06:06:06 <Navi> pupnik: why?
Dec 12 06:06:49 <pupnik> open-source work is a luxury
Dec 12 06:06:53 <Proteous> because no one likes CVS
Dec 12 06:07:06 <Navi> Proteous: :)
Dec 12 06:07:07 <Proteous> if you were using subversion or git things would be differnt
Dec 12 06:27:08 <rwhitby> pupnik: alternate view is that those who loose jobs have lots of time for open source work ...
Dec 12 06:27:18 <rwhitby> s/loose/lose/
Dec 12 06:27:18 <infobot> rwhitby meant: pupnik: alternate view is that those who lose jobs have lots of time for open source work ...
Dec 12 06:28:00 <pupnik> good point rwhitby
Dec 12 06:28:24 <rwhitby> I thought you were talking about CVS -> SVN/GIT transition :-)
Dec 12 06:58:30 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cVeBOmf93E  check out one of my soundtracks
Dec 12 07:37:12 <Sargun> the word is in: http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssITServicesConsulting/idUSL251396920081202
Dec 12 08:28:20 <RST38h> moo all
Dec 12 08:28:36 <X-Fade> Morning.
Dec 12 08:30:56 <korgoth> mornings
Dec 12 08:31:17 <korgoth> anyone know where (if) i can find 'locate' for maemo?
Dec 12 08:32:54 <Meiz_n810> mm.. What would fennec be in Mer ...
Dec 12 09:16:48 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 12 09:17:07 <qwerty12> Morning Jaffa, feeling better I hope?
Dec 12 09:17:16 <Jaffa> Getting there
Dec 12 09:34:16 <StsN801> morning
Dec 12 09:34:36 <qwerty12> morning StsN800
Dec 12 09:36:28 * StsN801 tries to catch-up on new stuff
Dec 12 09:50:29 <StsN801> hm, pnatd mention in ke-recv
Dec 12 09:50:40 <StsN801> in assocation with g_nookia
Dec 12 09:50:45 <StsN801> -o
Dec 12 09:51:07 <StsN801> tether -to- your tablet?
Dec 12 09:53:18 <qwerty12> Probably, as it does have a radio in it and pc suite lets you easily connect to your nokia phone to tether
Dec 12 10:25:38 <lardman> morning all
Dec 12 10:25:53 <qwerty12> morning lardman
Dec 12 10:26:22 <lardman> hi qwerty12
Dec 12 10:27:20 <StsN800> morn lardman
Dec 12 10:27:21 <qwerty12> lardman, when you used SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE to compile gmp, did it take you massively long ; out of question? :D
Dec 12 10:27:45 <lardman> ah, don't think so
Dec 12 10:28:01 <lardman> hi StsN800
Dec 12 10:28:13 <lardman> qwerty12: I do have a half decent machine though
Dec 12 10:28:18 <qwerty12> hehe, trying it with aptitude and it seems to be stuck on one file :/
Dec 12 10:28:23 <qwerty12> lardman, ah, probably why :D
Dec 12 10:31:48 <lardman> trying with aptitude?
Dec 12 10:31:52 <lardman> to install it?
Dec 12 10:32:18 <qwerty12> no, trying to compile aptitude
Dec 12 10:33:23 <qwerty12> it's a shame that ubuntu stopped providing a gcc++-3.4 package for intrepid, I had to take the hardy one and butcher the deb to remove the dependencies line but I can't expect them to keep on supporting old stuff I suppose :/
Dec 12 10:33:42 <lardman> ah, I see
Dec 12 10:40:40 <Meiz_n810> haha, i have never had this much fun.. sending faxes to all my frends in the classroom
Dec 12 10:40:58 <Meiz_n810> the fax service calls 3 times in a  row =P
Dec 12 10:41:23 <StsN800> meiz the script kiddie:P
Dec 12 10:42:31 * StsN800 waits for meiz' n810 to be confiscated
Dec 12 10:46:55 <Meiz_n810> Sts: gimme your number, you'll get some faxes
Dec 12 10:46:58 <Meiz_n810> :P
Dec 12 10:47:00 <Meiz_n810> not really
Dec 12 10:48:12 <StsN800> pfft :p
Dec 12 10:48:30 <Meiz_n810> hmm, how can i build fennec ?
Dec 12 10:48:33 <Meiz_n810> for mer
Dec 12 10:49:38 <StsN800> blood sweat and tears
Dec 12 10:51:21 <StsN800> sb2 really needs documentation
Dec 12 10:52:02 <GeneralAntilles> StsN800, actually, tethering was something I hadn't considered.
Dec 12 10:52:09 <GeneralAntilles> For some reason I was thinking it wouldn't be possible.
Dec 12 10:52:29 <GeneralAntilles> Which'd be problematic when the cable goes out (as it often does :\) since tethering is my fallback then.
Dec 12 10:52:48 <StsN800> sure is, just as g_ether + nat + hsdpa
Dec 12 10:53:19 <StsN800> or bluetooth pan instead of g_ether
Dec 12 10:55:38 <StsN800> pcsuite has one touch connect too so
Dec 12 11:04:44 <StsN800> wb
Dec 12 11:05:01 <qwerty12> thanks StsN800
Dec 12 11:09:41 * StsN800 ponders if sb2 works better with a huge rootstrap than a minimal one
Dec 12 11:20:48 <Meiz_n810> i can install nothing to Mer: dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statoverride file
Dec 12 11:21:29 <Meiz_n810> it appeared when i ran dist-upgrade (it upgraded openjdk-6)
Dec 12 12:09:18 <kost-bebix> Hi. I am doing apt-get update and it says something like (it's in russian, so I'm translating): "Reading packages list...done \n W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org chinook Release: next signatures cannot be checked, because general public key is unavailable: NO_PUBKEY AE384AC3584BD4D6 \n W: you can do 'apt-get update' to fix those errors
Dec 12 12:17:53 <kost-bebix> I've disabled that mozilla repo and everything looks fine
Dec 12 12:19:27 <GeneralAntilles> kost-bebix, it's a non-critical error anyway
Dec 12 12:19:29 <GeneralAntilles> You can ignore it.
Dec 12 12:30:02 <lardman> http://felipec.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/gst-openmax-demo-on-the-beagleboard/ cool :)
Dec 12 12:30:21 <kost-bebix> GeneralAntilles: apt should have some key to ignore it, right?
Dec 12 12:30:40 <GeneralAntilles> kost-bebix, I dunno, but it doesn't actually mean anything.
Dec 12 12:34:13 * Stskeeps sips his coffee
Dec 12 12:35:38 * GeneralAntilles wonders if they're waiting on the beta SDK to start working on the Fremantle Stars
Dec 12 12:36:10 <Stskeeps> mm, not entirely unfair though - stars might look crap in the new UI
Dec 12 12:36:39 <lardman> has all gone quiet hasn't it
Dec 12 12:36:42 <kost-bebix> GeneralAntilles: you're right. Now I'm trying to do apt-get -f update
Dec 12 12:36:45 <lcuk> alpha blended luminous stars maybe
Dec 12 12:37:08 * lardman wants galaxy simulator
Dec 12 12:37:13 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, last I heard a few weeks ago when it was brought up on itT was that they were still looking at the candidates
Dec 12 12:37:35 * lcuk wrote "universe contains lots of worlds" last night :)
Dec 12 12:37:37 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, well, there's always back-end work to be done.
Dec 12 12:37:48 <lcuk> then promptly started thinking about a universe class :)
Dec 12 12:37:50 <GeneralAntilles> Say they pick up lardman's barcode reader
Dec 12 12:38:06 <GeneralAntilles> The UI is only a part of the bigger picture and I'm sure he'd appreciate some db help in the meantime. ;)
Dec 12 12:38:16 <lardman> yeah, you seen my code hey?
Dec 12 12:38:19 <lardman> :)
Dec 12 12:38:23 <lcuk> lardman, galaxy sim would be cool actually, and with a accel built in we could really shake things up
Dec 12 12:38:40 <lardman> I think the db stuff is pretty much finished now, untested mind you; now I need to read my gtk+ book and get a working ui
Dec 12 12:39:03 <lardman> give me another day or so and I hope to start trying to compile, and iron out the bugs
Dec 12 12:39:07 * lcuk wants to help lardman and everyone as much as possible, whoever gets stars needs assistance :)
Dec 12 12:39:17 <lardman> but the web parsing bit I will probably need help with
Dec 12 12:39:19 <lcuk> its beneficial for all of us if we pull together and help all our projects
Dec 12 12:40:29 <lardman> yep for sure
Dec 12 12:41:01 <lardman> once I have something that shows the structure I'm looking for I'll do a call out for people to improve, etc
Dec 12 12:41:12 <lcuk> the more i think about this 2d clutter idea, the more i like it - i really need a linux slate to get a feel for clutter
Dec 12 12:41:19 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: curious, how many people does maemo.org employ?
Dec 12 12:41:33 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, directly?
Dec 12 12:41:42 <lcuk> unknown - perhaps every person at nokia is involved, or perhaps quim wears many hats
Dec 12 12:41:46 <Stskeeps> as in people working full-time for maemo.org
Dec 12 12:42:14 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, dneary, andre___, and eventually the debmaster
Dec 12 12:42:16 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 12 12:42:35 <Stskeeps> and the usual structure is hired by a contractor i guess
Dec 12 12:42:49 <GeneralAntilles> There are lots of people at Nokia whose job description involves a lot of maemo.org work
Dec 12 12:43:09 <GeneralAntilles> then there's Nemien
Dec 12 12:44:03 <GeneralAntilles> People like tekojo and _marcell_ are Nokia people that are basically working on maemo.org
Dec 12 12:44:07 <GeneralAntilles> tekojo in particular
Dec 12 12:44:09 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Dec 12 12:44:43 <GeneralAntilles> All told probably a little over a dozen
Dec 12 12:44:54 <zhaozhou> Anyone here got the GPS working on the n810?
Dec 12 12:45:50 <lardman> zhaozhou: yes
Dec 12 12:46:18 <wiza> yes
Dec 12 12:46:34 <zhaozhou> Hmm, so it's only mine then... odd.
Dec 12 12:46:45 <wiza> wayfinger doesn't work?
Dec 12 12:46:52 <wiza> *finder
Dec 12 12:47:02 <lardman> doesn't work as in no lock, or doesn't start up?
Dec 12 12:48:00 <zhaozhou> I cant find any satellites, ever. Even if i let it sit at the window for an hour it just stays at "searching"
Dec 12 12:48:14 <zhaozhou> Don't have wayfinder, so i cant try that one
Dec 12 12:48:17 <andre___> zhaozhou, does it work outdoors, without any buildings around?
Dec 12 12:48:55 <zhaozhou> I've tried at the park outside the house, clear skyes and everything, no go.
Dec 12 12:49:07 <zhaozhou> there were buildings around, but not close
Dec 12 12:49:15 <GeneralAntilles> zhaozhou, did you install A-GPS?
Dec 12 12:49:18 <lcuk> is this too cheeky: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25548
Dec 12 12:49:34 <Stskeeps> lcuk: meh, if it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't:P
Dec 12 12:49:39 <zhaozhou> GeneralAntilles, Uhm, no. Do i need it?
Dec 12 12:49:53 <GeneralAntilles> zhaozhou, if you want fast locks, yes.
Dec 12 12:49:56 <lcuk> yeah Stskeeps thats what im thinking
Dec 12 12:50:04 <lardman> zhaozhou: where fast <age of universe
Dec 12 12:50:08 <zhaozhou> GeneralAntilles, I'll try searching for it then. :-)
Dec 12 12:50:09 <zhaozhou> haha
Dec 12 12:50:14 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, Asus has shipped that touch computer, haven't they? :P
Dec 12 12:50:22 <gomiam> lcuk: no, not really. I've seen worse. If I wasn't still using my old laptop I would probably consider sending it :-P
Dec 12 12:50:22 <lardman> it should be in the standard updates repo
Dec 12 12:50:30 <lcuk> lardman, age of universe is a bit off - it overflows before then
Dec 12 12:50:51 <gomiam> it's not a computer I can sell, anyway.
Dec 12 12:50:59 <Stskeeps> time is constrained in a unsigned 64-bit integer.
Dec 12 12:51:03 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, yeah but cashflow got a bit worse with things happening
Dec 12 12:51:10 <Stskeeps> (new religion item.)
Dec 12 12:51:26 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, what's wrong with your Windows machine, anyway?
Dec 12 12:51:30 <GeneralAntilles> Can't you dual-boot Linux?
Dec 12 12:51:36 <lcuk> i cant touch the screen
Dec 12 12:51:47 <RST38h> Can't you use mouse instead?
Dec 12 12:51:49 <lcuk> well, i can but its not the same
Dec 12 12:52:01 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, you can't touch the screen of a laptop, either. :P
Dec 12 12:52:34 <kost-bebix> is there tcl/tk in maemo's repos?
Dec 12 12:52:35 <lcuk> tthats why i ask for a touchscreen laptop
Dec 12 12:52:42 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right.
Dec 12 12:52:43 <lardman> Stskeeps: yeah, but we can go fixed point with the 64bit number for the case of GPS locks, 1 bit of mantissa and 63 bytes of exponent, no sign needed
Dec 12 12:53:08 <gomiam> oh, touchscreen laptop... that I have none of.
Dec 12 12:53:26 <gomiam> lardman: 1 bit of mantissa and 63 bits of exponent?
Dec 12 12:53:26 <lardman> s/63 bytes/63 bits
Dec 12 12:53:33 <lardman> yeah, sorry, typo
Dec 12 12:53:43 <gomiam> you mean sign and mantissa, right? :)
Dec 12 12:54:02 <lardman> could probably round that anyway, no need for a mantissa, assume it's 1, then use all 64bits for exponent
Dec 12 12:54:21 <lardman> gomiam: no, this is GPS time to lock, so we need large numbers ;)
Dec 12 12:54:50 <gomiam> XD
Dec 12 12:54:52 <zhaozhou> Odd applikation this, A-GPS
Dec 12 12:55:08 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, alternatively, just ship a liqbase update that holds people's tablets for ransom. ;)
Dec 12 12:55:14 <lardman> probably best to raise a googleplex to the power of the 64bit exponent too, just to add some extra range
Dec 12 12:55:14 <zhaozhou> How does it work? Does it add a GPS driver too or is it just a front-end?
Dec 12 12:55:40 <Stskeeps> it helps by getting the information about sattelite positions from an online source afaik
Dec 12 12:55:44 <lcuk> heh GeneralAntilles i keep tihnking about a beowulf cluster of tablets
Dec 12 12:55:49 <lardman> zhaozhou: it downloads almanac/ephemeris data from online for your location and feeds it to the chipset when it starts
Dec 12 12:56:12 <lardman> zhaozhou: make sure you close down the agps-ui before starting up the gps
Dec 12 12:56:16 <lardman> so it will update
Dec 12 12:56:17 <zhaozhou> Aah. Do i need to restart the device or is the info already there?
Dec 12 12:56:24 <zhaozhou> lardman, oh, okay, thanks
Dec 12 12:56:26 <lardman> restart the gps, yes
Dec 12 12:57:15 <lcuk> a-gps is  a psychological tool designed to sidetrack you into doing the things people say in the forums ("restart device, wait for a bit, think about stuff, feed the cats")  etc
Dec 12 12:57:39 <lardman> lcuk: :p
Dec 12 12:57:48 <zhaozhou> haha
Dec 12 12:59:10 <RST38h> lcuk: sounds like maemo sdk
Dec 12 12:59:17 <RST38h> on a smaller scale at least
Dec 12 12:59:35 * Stskeeps is still in a love-hate relationship with sb2
Dec 12 13:00:50 <RST38h> Sts: it is better than my hate-hate relationship with sb1
Dec 12 13:00:56 <Stskeeps> yeah, agree
Dec 12 13:03:06 <lardman> hmm, I have a working wifi connection, but the agps cache isn't being updated
Dec 12 13:03:11 <lardman> no wonder people have troubles
Dec 12 13:03:40 <zhaozhou> Sweet, it worked!
Dec 12 13:04:28 <Stskeeps> woo, i reached the 200th thanking on iTT
Dec 12 13:04:46 <zhaozhou> One more thing though, i wont always have a wifi-connection, if i'm on the road for example... what would i use for maps?
Dec 12 13:04:47 <Stskeeps> 200 thanks in 85 posts, 232 posts in total. :P
Dec 12 13:05:29 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Dec 12 13:05:59 <Stskeeps> so far ratio shows me it's worth doing what i'm doing :P
Dec 12 13:08:27 <Stskeeps> lo meiz
Dec 12 13:09:00 <lcuk> Stskeeps, you only got that thanks because you STOPPED posting naked pictures of yourself and promised to release the squirrels you had been "abusing"
Dec 12 13:09:20 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 12 13:09:46 <Stskeeps> .. in a previous open source project we had a coder that took countless pictures of squirrels on his campus
Dec 12 13:09:46 <Meiz_n810> hi
Dec 12 13:10:13 <lardman> zhaozhou: download them in advance?
Dec 12 13:10:25 <lardman> zhaozhou: or use a GPRS/other mobile connection?
Dec 12 13:11:34 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: i'm really starting to ponder if there's even OS-on-internal-flash in new device
Dec 12 13:11:44 <zhaozhou> It seems maemo mapper isn't in the repos anymore though..
Dec 12 13:12:18 <zhaozhou> Oh wait, yes it is, i had a repo disabled
Dec 12 13:12:21 <zhaozhou> nvm.
Dec 12 13:12:21 <Stskeeps> ah, nm
Dec 12 13:12:40 * Stskeeps ponders what the hell fremantle needs a 4mb linux partition for.
Dec 12 13:12:55 <Stskeeps> with a 2gb one just after it
Dec 12 13:12:59 <Stskeeps> initfs? :P
Dec 12 13:13:43 <GeneralAntilles> Who knows
Dec 12 13:13:53 <lardman> 2Gb?
Dec 12 13:13:58 <lardman> that's quite a bit of memory
Dec 12 13:13:59 <GeneralAntilles> I really hope it's a 32GB eMMC with an *GB rootfs
Dec 12 13:14:16 <GeneralAntilles> Actually
Dec 12 13:14:24 <GeneralAntilles> They've got OneNAND listed in the kernel
Dec 12 13:14:26 <Stskeeps> lardman: internal mmc partitioning layout is 768mb swap, 4mb linux, and 2gb linux, and rest FAT
Dec 12 13:14:40 <lcuk> holy moly @ desktop sized swap
Dec 12 13:14:56 <lardman> perhaps the kernel is flashed in the separate partition?
Dec 12 13:15:20 <lcuk> nahhh with that much space, its stored as source, as unicode
Dec 12 13:15:29 <lardman> Stskeeps: how large is "the rest"?
Dec 12 13:15:40 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, ,,
Dec 12 13:15:45 <Stskeeps> lardman: no clue, it doesn't reveal that. it uses sfdisk notation for the rest
Dec 12 13:15:49 <lcuk> isnt this kind of discussion like quim was saying yesterday?
Dec 12 13:15:51 <lardman> lcuk: future proofing, esp with so much space avaulable
Dec 12 13:16:01 <Stskeeps> lcuk: sure, but hope is good
Dec 12 13:16:04 <lcuk> yeah lardman understood totally,
Dec 12 13:16:32 <lcuk> the 3x performance boost will get eaten by the 1`0x media requirements
Dec 12 13:16:36 <lcuk> 10x
Dec 12 13:17:03 * Stskeeps ponders to sleep in his office tonight
Dec 12 13:17:12 <Stskeeps> got a xmas lunch up here at campus
Dec 12 13:17:19 <lardman> hm
Dec 12 13:17:26 <lcuk> wont the night workers disturb you
Dec 12 13:17:35 <lardman> I've got one next wed lunchtime, so that afternoon will be interesting :)
Dec 12 13:17:49 <lardman> lcuk: he should be passed out, doubtful ;)
Dec 12 13:18:03 <Stskeeps> lcuk: not many people on this floor work at night
Dec 12 13:18:10 <Stskeeps> and my office is quite sound proof
Dec 12 13:18:40 <lcuk> yeah, forward thinking, they know you snore
Dec 12 13:18:46 <Stskeeps> backside however is i don't have a sofa.
Dec 12 13:19:22 <lcuk> always an ouchy, waking up with YTREWQ on your forehead is such a good thing
Dec 12 13:19:49 <Stskeeps> given it's the last xmas lunch while most of us are at university, i suspect i will end up duct-taped to the wall somewhere.
Dec 12 13:19:53 <lcuk> anyway, must dash,  theres a problem with romans
Dec 12 13:19:53 <lardman> they turn the heating off at night here, would get bloody cold
Dec 12 13:20:10 <lardman> s/romans/barbarians ?
Dec 12 13:20:12 <Stskeeps> lardman: i have my heating off. 3 towers in the room keep it warm
Dec 12 13:20:12 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 12 13:20:21 <lardman> Stskeeps: :)
Dec 12 13:20:53 <lcuk> you wll have to biverwack down behind the desk and burn books to stay alive
Dec 12 13:22:16 <lcuk> "omg electrical engineering second edition 1976, a timeless classic"   page by page
Dec 12 13:22:39 <lcuk> i should be gonen ow shouldnt i
Dec 12 13:33:48 <webustany> hi there
Dec 12 13:34:16 <Stskeeps> hi
Dec 12 13:34:19 <webustany> has somebody here managed to run diablo in qemu ? I read the slides about that, created the image with poky image, but all I get is a white screen in qemu...
Dec 12 13:34:32 <webustany> there's something happening behind, I see logs about mmc and touchscreen
Dec 12 13:34:34 <Stskeeps> i think chinook runs but not diablo, though i'm not sure
Dec 12 13:34:41 <Stskeeps> looked at hrw's posts?
Dec 12 13:34:45 <webustany> yep
Dec 12 13:35:14 <Stskeeps> admittedly i didn't have it booting myself either, except for kernel and initial initfs
Dec 12 13:35:14 <webustany> I followed these slides http://www.slideshare.net/hrw/maemo-in-qemu-presentation/
Dec 12 13:35:22 <Stskeeps> what's your purpose for it?
Dec 12 13:35:33 <webustany> scratchbox is a pain to install on fedora
Dec 12 13:35:39 <webustany> I wanted to test it as a possible build env
Dec 12 13:35:50 <qwerty12_N800> diablo runs but you have to edit the source to reflect new flash layout
Dec 12 13:35:58 <webustany> qwerty12_N800: yep, I applied the patch
Dec 12 13:36:05 <webustany> because the initfs is larger
Dec 12 13:36:05 <Meiz_n810> What was the command to download imager?
Dec 12 13:36:25 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: update or download from scratch?
Dec 12 13:36:37 <Meiz_n810> from scratch
Dec 12 13:36:40 <Stskeeps> bzr branch lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager
Dec 12 13:36:45 <Meiz_n810> thanks
Dec 12 13:38:54 <qwerty12_N800> webustany, what mtd dump are you using? it has to be taken from a device with the rd flag no-lifeguard-reset set
Dec 12 13:39:34 <webustany> qwerty12_N800: yep, I ran the flasher with --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset or something like that on my n810 running diablo
Dec 12 13:39:45 <webustany> then I did as root dd if=/dev/mtd1 of=dump
Dec 12 13:39:56 <webustany> (not sure if it's the right way to do it)
Dec 12 13:41:15 <qwerty12_N800> i used 'cat /dev/mtd1ro > /media/mmc2/dump' but dd seems fine afaik. hrw linked me to  a patch that supresses those errors but it seems it's been deleted from the pastebin :(
Dec 12 13:42:06 <webustany> hmm, is there a difference between /dev/mtd1 and /dev/mtd1ro ?
Dec 12 13:42:19 <webustany> I didn't apply the kill debugs patch, but it doesn't bother me
Dec 12 13:42:54 <qwerty12_N800> no, I just used mtd1ro for a tiny bit of added safety incase i messed something up :)
Dec 12 13:43:03 * Stskeeps ponders what to use the beagleboard in his office for.
Dec 12 13:43:53 <webustany> qwerty12_N800: any hint on how I could guess where it fails ? Like hooking a gdb, or having verbose output...
Dec 12 13:43:59 <Stskeeps> serial console?
Dec 12 13:44:00 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 12 13:44:18 <qwerty12_N800> webustany, no idea, sorry
Dec 12 13:44:27 <Stskeeps> that's what i did personally
Dec 12 13:44:34 <webustany> np, thanks anyway :)
Dec 12 13:44:36 <Stskeeps> (there's command line things for that)
Dec 12 13:44:38 <webustany> Stskeeps: the serial console ?
Dec 12 13:44:42 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 12 13:44:47 <Stskeeps> maemo kernel likes ttyS2 i think
Dec 12 13:45:35 <Stskeeps> there's a qemu thing to set ttyS2 to be stdio for instance
Dec 12 13:45:52 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: what is the package called "matchbox-window-manager-maemo" in jaunty repo?
Dec 12 13:45:53 <suihkulokki> if you try some other serial port, you might end up putting login prompt to talk to some unexpecting hardware like gps ;)
Dec 12 13:46:11 <webustany> ok, I'm gonna try that
Dec 12 13:46:18 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: probably the custom patches in new matchbox
Dec 12 13:46:24 <Stskeeps> er
Dec 12 13:46:26 <Stskeeps> in old
Dec 12 13:46:28 <Stskeeps> i'm not sure really
Dec 12 13:46:45 <Meiz_n810> k
Dec 12 13:47:29 <Stskeeps> i wonder if there's any videos of clutter & matchbox-window-manager-2
Dec 12 13:47:47 <webustany> hmm, I can access the serial console using ctrl alt n, but it's all empty
Dec 12 13:48:02 <webustany> does hrw hang here sometimes ?
Dec 12 13:48:08 <Stskeeps> he used to i think
Dec 12 13:48:10 <Stskeeps> ~seen hrw
Dec 12 13:48:11 <infobot> hrw is currently on #oe. Has said a total of 44 messages. Is idling for 5m 40s, last said: 'great'.
Dec 12 13:48:25 <webustany> I could try to catch him...
Dec 12 13:48:30 <webustany> Stskeeps: thanks
Dec 12 13:51:17 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: heading to work, but I was able to go through the entire imager run with a kingston card.
Dec 12 13:51:46 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: alright
Dec 12 13:51:58 <r2d2rogers> will check logs and upload later today, looks like behavior is about the same
Dec 12 13:52:08 <Stskeeps> i'm going to be coporiously drunk the next two evenings, so we'll see how i function during the day
Dec 12 13:52:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 12 13:52:15 <r2d2rogers> \o/
Dec 12 13:52:22 <r2d2rogers> be safe <G>
Dec 12 13:52:35 <r2d2rogers> I'm out.
Dec 12 13:53:46 * Stskeeps waits on imager to make a proper image for him.
Dec 12 13:54:01 <Stskeeps> for rootstrap
Dec 12 13:55:24 <Stskeeps> we so need a more portable way for distingusing hardware types than /proc/component_version.
Dec 12 13:55:49 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, run a benchmark suite on boot. :P
Dec 12 13:55:55 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 12 13:58:44 <Stskeeps> trying to get a sdk set up of some kind
Dec 12 14:00:31 <qwerty12_N800> odd that the omap_rng & rng_core modules are shown as being shown as inserted on my N800
Dec 12 14:00:47 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: they're OSS right? never quite cleared that up
Dec 12 14:01:34 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, i don't think they are, at least i can't remember seeing source for them in the 2.6.21 kernel
Dec 12 14:03:20 <Stskeeps> omaP_rng seems to be in 2.6.25 and above, at least
Dec 12 14:04:19 <Stskeeps> would suck to have more closed blobs
Dec 12 14:04:25 <Stskeeps> i'm already worried about g_nokia
Dec 12 14:05:14 <GeneralAntilles> Well, it seems likely to be functionality that's more or less optional, right?
Dec 12 14:05:20 <GeneralAntilles> more optional than WiFi, anyway
Dec 12 14:05:21 <qwerty12_N800> if it communicates with pc suite, i'm erring on th side of it being closed
Dec 12 14:05:23 <Stskeeps> yeah, true
Dec 12 14:06:01 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, no sorry, omap_rng can be found in 2.6.21 according to mxr
Dec 12 14:06:22 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, and there's more inertia behind opening stuff up these days than there was a year ago
Dec 12 14:07:02 <GeneralAntilles> At worst, it'll probably be simpler to talk Nokia into updating in when an API break comes around.
Dec 12 14:07:09 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Dec 12 14:10:14 <lardman> am heading off now, should see you chaps later on today
Dec 12 14:10:19 <GeneralAntilles> I think as long as the closed stuff isn't 3rd-party we're fairly well off
Dec 12 14:10:21 <GeneralAntilles> Bye, lardman.
Dec 12 14:12:46 * Stskeeps begins to seriously think about qemu + distcc again.
Dec 12 14:24:37 <ccooke> hmm. Been looking around the forums... I'm trying to see what the consensus is for when we can start to expect the next tablet (yes, I realise the consensus could be "somewhere in the next year or two")
Dec 12 14:24:53 <ccooke> anyone got a better feeling for it?
Dec 12 14:24:59 <GeneralAntilles> Summer 2009
Dec 12 14:25:27 <AStorm> is that official?
Dec 12 14:25:35 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, of course not.
Dec 12 14:25:42 <AStorm> ah.
Dec 12 14:25:42 <GeneralAntilles> But it's a reasonable conclusion based on the SDK timeline
Dec 12 14:26:06 <ccooke> Huh. Slightly better than I was expecting, then. I hope that works out correct :-)
Dec 12 14:29:45 <AStorm> but it means there will be o mind-reading interface ;)
Dec 12 14:29:50 <AStorm> *no
Dec 12 14:31:23 <RST38h> ccooke: Just yesterday we were promised a huge deadly laser in the next tablet
Dec 12 14:34:09 <ccooke> RST38h: really? Damn, that sucks. I was hoping for a chainsaw :-(
Dec 12 14:34:52 <Stskeeps> RST38h: would a chroot with binary emulation be more sane for a SDK, with some binaries being native (compiler, sh, etc)?
Dec 12 14:34:52 * aquatix wants both
Dec 12 14:35:04 <Stskeeps> it would sadly need binfmt stuff in kernel :P
Dec 12 14:35:12 <Stskeeps> then it's no bullshit after that
Dec 12 14:35:25 <ccooke> aquatix: now, that's just unreasonable. the vibration from the chainsaw would prevent you from aiming the laser, for a start.
Dec 12 14:36:05 <ccooke> Stskeeps: you might be able to do it with the binfmt misc support
Dec 12 14:36:11 <GeneralAntilles> ccooke, that's what the stabilizer chip they put in there is for
Dec 12 14:36:18 <Stskeeps> ccooke: yeah, that's what i'm thinking
Dec 12 14:36:39 <Stskeeps> admittedly it probably would just evolve into scratchbox.
Dec 12 14:36:40 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 12 14:36:46 <ccooke> GeneralAntilles: ah, I should have thought. I do apologise
Dec 12 14:36:58 <GeneralAntilles> AD5820 :P ;)
Dec 12 14:37:13 <aquatix> ccooke: excellent point
Dec 12 14:37:34 <aquatix> ccooke: maybe a chainsaw extension then
Dec 12 14:37:40 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: um, sorry, there is no matchbox-window-manager-maemo in jaunty repo... :P
Dec 12 14:37:49 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 12 14:42:31 <Stskeeps> right, im going to go get horridly drunk
Dec 12 14:42:32 <Stskeeps> bbl
Dec 12 14:49:56 <dneary> Any sign of Tim about?
Dec 12 14:50:37 <qwerty12_N800> ~seen timsamoff
Dec 12 14:50:39 <infobot> timsamoff <i=cfa0a5b4@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3867854df3830ce8> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 17h 42m 25s ago, saying: 'w/ a Q.'.
Dec 12 14:50:49 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, email's your best bet.
Dec 12 15:17:52 <ddenis> did anyone see these errors when flashing a maemo device? "usb_bulk_write: No such device" ?
Dec 12 15:18:43 <Oli-n800> hey, i've just installed screen rotator on my n, it works ok but is there any key shortcut to turn the screen?
Dec 12 15:21:56 <webustany> Oli-n800: AFAIR you need an applet to do that
Dec 12 15:22:06 <webustany> (or you can use the xrandr command line utility)
Dec 12 15:22:58 <Oli-n800> i've got advanced backlight applet but i want to use keys
Dec 12 15:23:39 <Oli-n800> to change screen orientation
Dec 12 15:23:46 <webustany> I don't know how to do that...
Dec 12 15:25:14 <qwerty12_N800> Oli-n800, you want sliderotate
Dec 12 15:26:39 <Oli-n800> it's what i was thinking about, thanks qwerty12_N800 !
Dec 12 15:36:06 * lcuk calls for an airstrike of 40,000 banana skins near qwerty12_N800's house
Dec 12 15:36:44 <qwerty12_N800> Shit, it's raining bananas!
Dec 12 15:37:33 <lcuk> no, im saving the bananas themselves until the go black n mouldy, then im gonna pour em through your letter box :P
Dec 12 15:37:57 <lcuk> (carefully navigating the skins of course)
Dec 12 15:38:08 <inherited> wheee
Dec 12 15:38:19 * inherited is proud owner of a new 8gb sdhc card
Dec 12 15:38:25 <qwerty12_N800> I see, you want to start a North v South war (and then cry as you lose) :P
Dec 12 15:39:54 * lcuk gives qwerty a chinese burn
Dec 12 15:40:08 <lcuk> now whos cryin b1tch :P
Dec 12 15:40:10 <qwerty12_N800> Mercy!
Dec 12 15:40:24 <Meizirkki> what package contains dhclient?
Dec 12 15:41:14 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, you, as i kick you in the zone and run off :P
Dec 12 15:42:40 <qwerty12_N800> Meizirkki, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dhclient&mode=exactfilename&suite=jaunty&arch=any
Dec 12 15:42:47 <Meizirkki> thanks
Dec 12 15:47:17 <RST38h> EHLO, gentlemen. It is your SENDMAIL speaking.
Dec 12 15:47:43 <RST38h> lcuk,qwerty: moo
Dec 12 15:47:45 <RST38h> whaZZZup?
Dec 12 15:48:01 <qwerty12_N800> kill -9 `pidof sendmail`
Dec 12 15:48:05 <qwerty12_N800> moo RST38h
Dec 12 15:49:29 * RST38h is a zombie sendmail. kill -9 will not work.
Dec 12 15:49:43 <qwerty12_N800> damn
Dec 12 15:50:05 <RST38h> Release the lock! RELEASE THE LOCK!!!
Dec 12 15:50:21 <qwerty12_N800> NO!!!!
Dec 12 15:50:32 <RST38h> Too bad.
Dec 12 15:50:38 * RST38h deletes the lock file.
Dec 12 15:50:59 <qwerty12_N800> What have you done?! :O
Dec 12 15:52:32 <RST38h> Too late.
Dec 12 15:52:35 <mgedmin> applied a shotgun to the lock, hollywood-style
Dec 12 15:52:48 <lcuk> you bastard, you should never kick a guy in the zune.  i might lose my DRM protected media content
Dec 12 15:53:11 <mgedmin> serves you right for paying actual money for DRM-ed content
Dec 12 15:53:21 <qwerty12_N800> and then you will cry?
Dec 12 15:53:34 <RST38h> lcukL You never owned it anyway, why bother?
Dec 12 15:54:25 <lcuk> it was qwertys fault, he kicked mei n it
Dec 12 15:54:52 * lcuk will return later and unleash a devistating northerner attack
Dec 12 15:55:31 <qwerty12_N800> Omg, I'm.gonna.be.hit.with.snow.
Dec 12 15:59:12 <Meizirkki> ARRgH
Dec 12 15:59:16 <Meizirkki> Mer boot stops
Dec 12 15:59:34 <Meizirkki> at DSP pausing failed, skipping OP change
Dec 12 15:59:51 <Meizirkki> :(
Dec 12 16:01:54 <zakkm> qwerty12_N800: may i pm you?
Dec 12 16:03:07 <qwerty12_N800> zakkm, sure, give me some minutes as i'm connecting via my computer as soon as ndiswrapper gets its act together
Dec 12 16:03:21 <qwerty12_N800> and I see it has :)
Dec 12 16:23:13 <zakkm_> Can anyone help me install Nitdroid on my n800 please
Dec 12 16:23:35 <zakkm_> I run Mac OSX on my computer by the way
Dec 12 16:51:47 <lfelipe> Hey, I'm upgrading some packages for maemo, and I've a new dependency that needs to be installed as part of this upgrade, and application manager is not showing this as a possible update (most likely because of the new package requirement).
Dec 12 16:52:59 <lfelipe> (i.e. apt-get upgrade keeps the packages back because of the new dependency, and apt-get dist-upgrade marks everything to be upgraded)
Dec 12 16:53:14 <lfelipe> anyone has any idea of how to solve this ?
Dec 12 16:54:54 <Meizirkki> I thinks you should not use upgrade or dist-upgrade on maemo, only hildon-app-mgr :P
Dec 12 16:55:04 <Meizirkki> s/thinks/think
Dec 12 16:57:01 <Meizirkki> try apt-get install <package>
Dec 12 16:57:36 <Meizirkki> app-mgr is annoyin it naggs about depends, even if they are available
Dec 12 16:58:19 <lfelipe> Meizirkki: I'm not using, I just mentioned it because it shows a possible cause for the situation
Dec 12 16:58:29 <lfelipe> I'm trying to fix it to work with application manager
Dec 12 16:58:30 <Meizirkki> yup
Dec 12 16:58:55 <lfelipe> apt-get install package works fine as well
Dec 12 17:00:29 <r2d2rogers> hello maemo <G>
Dec 12 17:00:36 <Stskeeps> hvlo r2d2rogers
Dec 12 17:00:49 <Stskeeps> back to beer!
Dec 12 17:00:53 <r2d2rogers> different card boots faster
Dec 12 17:01:06 <r2d2rogers> got a usb network connection working out to the interweb
Dec 12 17:01:29 <r2d2rogers> trying to figure out where to go from there
Dec 12 17:04:42 <r2d2rogers> Meizirkki: did you say you have wlan up with mer using deblet packages?
Dec 12 17:04:56 <r2d2rogers> or am I mistaking you for another nick?
Dec 12 17:06:30 <Meizirkki> yep, wlan works :P
Dec 12 17:06:43 <Meizirkki> How is mer now on 770?
Dec 12 17:07:17 <Meizirkki> r2d2rogers: Meiz_n810 = Meizirkki
Dec 12 17:08:21 <Meizirkki> some pics about mer on n810 with wlan are on my picasaweb
Dec 12 17:17:11 <r2d2rogers> Meizirkki: still trying to get the X up like it should be
Dec 12 17:17:21 <r2d2rogers> but performance looks good
Dec 12 17:18:27 <r2d2rogers> I am trying to get locale-gen to run right now
Dec 12 17:18:43 <AStorm> hey
Dec 12 17:18:46 <r2d2rogers> howdy
Dec 12 17:18:57 <AStorm> skype is broken with diablo apparently
Dec 12 17:18:58 <r2d2rogers> Meizirkki: what packages should I look for?
Dec 12 17:19:05 <AStorm> it has a "sound recording error"
Dec 12 17:19:10 * r2d2rogers has 770s
Dec 12 17:19:22 <AStorm> log msgs in console tell that it can't find a GstBin
Dec 12 17:19:35 <AStorm> should I report this as a bug?
Dec 12 17:19:35 <Meizirkki> r2d2rogers: For wlan?
Dec 12 17:20:04 <r2d2rogers> Meizirkki: yup
Dec 12 17:20:57 <Meizirkki> add deblet repo, normal + source. then install tablet-hw-n810-nonfree
Dec 12 17:21:06 <r2d2rogers> hmm
Dec 12 17:21:09 <r2d2rogers> k
Dec 12 17:21:35 <Meizirkki> You need to have the source-repo to get umac-module deblet-way.
Dec 12 17:21:59 <Meizirkki> http://packages.tspre.org/ sid main contrib non-free
Dec 12 17:23:10 <Meizirkki> after installing nonfree, mount /mnt/initfs to /<chroot-dir>/mnt/initfs/ and run /usr/libexec/tablet-nonfree/make-repo
Dec 12 17:23:39 <Meizirkki> (run /usr/libexec/tablet-nonfree/make-repo at Mer side)
Dec 12 17:24:25 <r2d2rogers> thanks
Dec 12 17:24:34 <r2d2rogers> I'm part way there I think
Dec 12 17:25:52 <Meizirkki> when you have the nonfree repo you can just install tablet-hw-n8x0-support and tablet-wireless with apt :P
Dec 12 17:26:12 <webustany> AStorm: skype works here
Dec 12 17:29:20 <AStorm> webustany, on diablo?
Dec 12 17:29:29 <AStorm> it dooesn't here... for some reason
Dec 12 17:29:40 <webustany> yep
Dec 12 17:29:48 <webustany> I use it almost daily
Dec 12 17:30:04 <AStorm> any idea why
Dec 12 17:30:09 <webustany> AStorm: can you pastebin the log ?
Dec 12 17:30:36 <AStorm> I get some assertions (null) os not GstBin
Dec 12 17:30:36 <AStorm> yes, in a sec
Dec 12 17:30:43 <StsN800> Meizirkki, doesnt work that easily d
Dec 12 17:30:43 <StsN800> wi 770
Dec 12 17:30:43 <Meizirkki> k
Dec 12 17:31:28 <Meizirkki> mm.. i forgot 770.. of course n8x0-support sounds like it's not for 770
Dec 12 17:31:33 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: yeah I was planny on looking
Dec 12 17:31:39 <r2d2rogers> no worries
Dec 12 17:32:01 <r2d2rogers> I thought I had messed up by running the apt-get upgrade, but hildon desktop is up now
Dec 12 17:32:22 <AStorm> webustany, later, now dling a lot and connection is sloooow...
Dec 12 17:32:30 <webustany> ok
Dec 12 17:32:34 <r2d2rogers> getting funky terminal errors due to the locale issues I think
Dec 12 17:33:49 <r2d2rogers> hmm
Dec 12 17:33:56 <r2d2rogers> double spaceed top
Dec 12 17:34:13 <StsN800> beer is good
Dec 12 17:34:41 <r2d2rogers> sapwood server is the theme engine right?
Dec 12 17:34:52 <Meizirkki> gtk2 engine
Dec 12 17:34:59 <Meizirkki> whatever :P
Dec 12 17:36:39 <r2d2rogers> when hildon desktop dies it hits 98 percent of the cpu
Dec 12 17:48:33 <r2d2rogers> where is the xsession started in mer?
Dec 12 18:05:20 <gnuton> hi there! :D
Dec 12 18:06:02 <thopiekar> hi
Dec 12 18:12:21 <AStorm> hey... is there a way I could have system-wide eq on maemo?
Dec 12 18:12:39 <AStorm> like, use pulseaudio with ladspa?
Dec 12 18:12:53 <AStorm> (and hope it's fast enough)
Dec 12 18:14:29 <AStorm> has anyone got pulseaudio running here?
Dec 12 18:14:45 <AStorm> (it should be fast with speex integer resamplers)
Dec 12 18:17:09 <StsN800> r2d2rogers, rc.local
Dec 12 18:17:11 <pupnik> AStorm: pulse on NIT?
Dec 12 18:17:34 <AStorm> pupnik, yup
Dec 12 18:17:48 <AStorm> possible definitely, but fast enough?
Dec 12 18:18:02 <AStorm> (yes, it's possible to have ALSA on NIT)
Dec 12 18:18:10 <AStorm> (with kernel config change)
Dec 12 18:18:36 <AStorm> the modded esd uses some trick to send sound over dsp
Dec 12 18:18:42 <AStorm> probably faster that way
Dec 12 18:19:10 <pupnik> any young scruffs show up with interest in working on games?
Dec 12 18:19:26 <pupnik> i can help ppl get started
Dec 12 18:20:05 <AStorm> pupnik, does it involve ai? :>
Dec 12 18:21:50 <lcuk> heh pupnik you have to be nice to your proteges
Dec 12 18:22:30 <lcuk> sure, some might actually be scruffy, but aren't you meant to say things like "urban ambience" or "disadvantaged youth"
Dec 12 18:23:06 <pupnik> i want to start a compound of disadvantaged youth, feed them gruel, and tell them what to program
Dec 12 18:23:41 <AStorm> mwhahaha
Dec 12 18:23:49 <AStorm> pupnik, forgot about salaries
Dec 12 18:24:00 <AStorm> gruel and housing is not enough nowadays
Dec 12 18:24:46 <pupnik> wait a few months
Dec 12 18:25:02 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: thanks, I have the firmware from my maemo install moved over now
Dec 12 18:26:55 <lcuk> AStorm, housing as well?  in my day we were thankful of a place out of the rain for a few hours a day.
Dec 12 18:27:52 <lcuk> ballsack
Dec 12 18:28:02 <lcuk> my wifi is bein arsy
Dec 12 18:28:15 <qwerty12> quake1 on the n800 is being a pita :(
Dec 12 18:28:30 * qwerty12 gives lcuk a router
Dec 12 18:28:44 <lcuk> thanks :D got a tablet pc nearby as well?
Dec 12 18:29:05 <qwerty12> actually, my brother does but I don't think he would be too happy if I took it...
Dec 12 18:29:43 <lardman> have a nice weekend chaps, am away I'm afraid
Dec 12 18:29:45 <lardman> bye
Dec 12 18:29:55 <lcuk> what about one of those touchscreen whiteboards you have lying around your house?
Dec 12 18:30:03 <lcuk> yeah, cya speedy
Dec 12 18:30:23 * lcuk never gets time to say bye to lardman 
Dec 12 18:30:25 <qwerty12> lcuk, as tempting as it would be, I'm not the one who steals those from my school :P
Dec 12 18:30:32 <lcuk> its like musical bumps
Dec 12 18:30:41 <lcuk> you just fence them for others
Dec 12 18:30:46 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: bluetooth working
Dec 12 18:30:52 <r2d2rogers> cli anyhow
Dec 12 18:30:54 <lcuk> "sorry ociffer it was my mates"
Dec 12 18:30:58 <qwerty12> :P
Dec 12 18:31:17 * lcuk nearly walked into a policeman today
Dec 12 18:31:30 <lcuk> he craftily avoided a situation by walking in the mud
Dec 12 18:31:42 * lcuk felt guilty afterwards
Dec 12 18:32:48 <lcuk> brb tea anyway
Dec 12 18:33:24 <lcuk> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_UumpQtp5wU
Dec 12 18:33:43 * qwerty12 shoves a pizza in the microwave
Dec 12 18:34:38 <AStorm> lcuk, :P
Dec 12 18:35:34 <AStorm> lcuk, these whiteboards suck
Dec 12 18:35:50 <AStorm> most are far too unresponsive
Dec 12 18:40:49 <konttori_> http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news.aspx?id=47624&fragment=&SearchType=&terms=
Dec 12 18:40:54 <konttori_> nokia music store cracked
Dec 12 18:42:11 <pupnik> somebody needs to work on mypaint
Dec 12 18:44:49 <qwerty12_N800> konttori_, now tunebyte needs to be cracked (though i don't have tracks with drm)...
Dec 12 18:49:36 <Navi> pupnik: I disagree
Dec 12 18:49:59 <Navi> someone needs to stab it with a fork
Dec 12 18:51:06 <pupnik> Navi: wut?  it's the closest thing to usable sketch i found
Dec 12 18:51:44 <pupnik> as far as approaching sketching with charcoal/pencil at least
Dec 12 18:54:33 * Navi wonders what the best way to maximize screen space with mypaint is
Dec 12 18:55:02 <AStorm> by moving tools into fewer buttons?
Dec 12 18:55:32 <AStorm> btw, I'd like a non-sucky combo of maemopad+ and xournal
Dec 12 18:56:04 <Mousey> you mean liqbase?
Dec 12 18:56:06 <Navi> Maybe a toggleable tool bar
Dec 12 18:56:06 <AStorm> as xournal is extremely bad at handling large documents, while mp+ lacks a few nice drawing tools
Dec 12 18:56:16 <Mousey> oh, nm
Dec 12 18:56:28 <AStorm> Mousey, liqbase has next page as sucky as mp+
Dec 12 18:56:38 <AStorm> continuous is better
Dec 12 18:56:38 * lcuk agrees
Dec 12 18:56:41 <Mousey> i just want one of those that saves to opendoc format
Dec 12 18:56:59 <AStorm> Mousey, is pdf not enough?
Dec 12 18:57:01 * lcuk has things in his shed to deal with this
Dec 12 18:57:16 <Mousey> AStorm: no, not editable
Dec 12 18:57:25 <Navi> Has Abiword officially been released yet?
Dec 12 18:57:25 <AStorm> marker tool of xournal was nice
Dec 12 18:57:43 <Mousey> Navi: i have it installed, from a repo. does that count?
Dec 12 18:57:56 <lcuk> i would like to save the markings as side overlays to any arbritary document
Dec 12 18:57:59 <AStorm> lcuk, now, when I'm done with text recognition, might help you with liqbase
Dec 12 18:58:07 <Navi> Abiword has some open document compatibility in the works
Dec 12 18:58:12 <lcuk> :) astorm, excellent!
Dec 12 18:58:30 <Navi> but the ODT spec supports more features than Abiword supports
Dec 12 18:58:35 <Mousey> Navi: i thot the regular version already handled odf
Dec 12 18:58:35 <AStorm> e.g. putting the recognition into it :>
Dec 12 18:58:41 <lcuk> you are interested cos of the strokes :p i saw your eyebrows raise when i mentioned that
Dec 12 18:58:48 <Navi> Mousey: it's not done
Dec 12 18:58:49 <Mousey> ah, that's how it is eh
Dec 12 18:58:55 <AStorm> lcuk, :>
Dec 12 18:59:10 * Mousey achieves enlightenment
Dec 12 18:59:13 <Navi> Nested shtick, column sizes for tables
Dec 12 18:59:14 <AStorm> hopefully the code isn't too much of mess
Dec 12 18:59:20 <AStorm> Mousey, e17? :P
Dec 12 18:59:25 <Navi> anchored frames
Dec 12 18:59:43 <Mousey> AStorm: ha, no the traditional kind..
Dec 12 18:59:46 <Mousey> e16r7
Dec 12 18:59:48 <Mousey> ^_^
Dec 12 19:00:06 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: responsive desktop acheived, killed sapwood-server and the x session unfroze
Dec 12 19:00:22 <AStorm> r2d2rogers, :>
Dec 12 19:00:55 <r2d2rogers> now to figure out what else to do
Dec 12 19:01:38 <lcuk> astorm, pm
Dec 12 19:08:35 <r2d2rogers> anyone know how to get the gpe-screenshot tool to upload?
Dec 12 19:11:46 <pupnik> damn
Dec 12 19:11:51 <r2d2rogers> got it!
Dec 12 19:12:07 <r2d2rogers> Mer on 770 http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.22298.png
Dec 12 19:13:05 <AStorm> r2d2rogers, a bit... empty :>
Dec 12 19:13:22 <r2d2rogers> yeah
Dec 12 19:13:25 <AStorm> also, forgot to install l10n files
Dec 12 19:13:26 <r2d2rogers> I need to install some apps
Dec 12 19:13:30 <r2d2rogers> is that it?
Dec 12 19:13:31 <r2d2rogers> k
Dec 12 19:14:15 <r2d2rogers> little bit better http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.22359.png
Dec 12 19:14:33 <StsN800> AStorm, got a weird problem after upgrading to hildon fremanrtle
Dec 12 19:14:58 <qwerty12_N800> r2d2rogers, i see the cpu usage :(
Dec 12 19:15:09 <AStorm> hm?
Dec 12 19:15:17 <r2d2rogers> qwerty12_N800: not constant
Dec 12 19:15:31 <r2d2rogers> only during the capture or other ops
Dec 12 19:15:37 <qwerty12_N800> r2d2rogers, ah, good news
Dec 12 19:15:37 <r2d2rogers> it idles down nice
Dec 12 19:17:04 <r2d2rogers> I installed hildon-input-method, trying a restart with sapwood commented out of start-hildon
Dec 12 19:18:03 <AStorm> btw, what does sapwood do?
Dec 12 19:18:18 <r2d2rogers> not sure...
Dec 12 19:18:24 <r2d2rogers> messes me up ?
Dec 12 19:18:50 <qwerty12_N800> 'tis a theme engine, open source anyway
Dec 12 19:22:55 <StsN800> r2d2rogers, good to know progress
Dec 12 19:23:38 <r2d2rogers> worked on reboot BTw looks like it was sapwood keeping the desktop unresponsive before
Dec 12 19:25:24 <r2d2rogers> So, what l10n packages? <G>
Dec 12 19:33:22 <r2d2rogers> midori loads, but I have no text input yet
Dec 12 19:33:30 <AStorm> r2d2rogers, hmm, let me check apt
Dec 12 19:33:50 <r2d2rogers> midori loads google!
Dec 12 19:34:01 <AStorm> any with l10n in name
Dec 12 19:34:23 <AStorm> a lot of them
Dec 12 19:34:54 <AStorm> I have 58 just for en_US
Dec 12 19:35:01 <r2d2rogers> Mer on 770 with midori at google http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.22970.png
Dec 12 19:35:52 <StsN800> r2d2rogers, how is speed?
Dec 12 19:36:00 <AStorm> StsN800, tell me when all the important features are in
Dec 12 19:36:09 <AStorm> then I might install it
Dec 12 19:36:14 <r2d2rogers> great
Dec 12 19:36:19 <r2d2rogers> some lag on witing to load
Dec 12 19:36:25 <AStorm> StsN800, btw, do enable accessx for x server
Dec 12 19:36:27 <r2d2rogers> but less than maemo
Dec 12 19:36:34 <StsN800> accessx?
Dec 12 19:36:38 <AStorm> +accessx option and some xset
Dec 12 19:36:45 <AStorm> for stickykeys
Dec 12 19:36:49 <StsN800> ah
Dec 12 19:36:49 <r2d2rogers> browsing and scrolling are fine, some refresh issues with images on scroll
Dec 12 19:36:58 <AStorm> (unlike h-i-m works everywhere)
Dec 12 19:37:40 <StsN800> AStorm, its xorg, should be trivial
Dec 12 19:37:49 <AStorm> yup
Dec 12 19:37:58 <AStorm> I mean, mod the init script
Dec 12 19:38:06 <AStorm> and build xset :)
Dec 12 19:38:30 <r2d2rogers> http://www.handhelds.org/scap/port.23149.png
Dec 12 19:39:40 <lcuk> r2d2rogers, "warning, you are using a superuser account!"       "why yes, I am a super user!"
Dec 12 19:39:45 <r2d2rogers> <G>
Dec 12 19:39:49 <r2d2rogers> ty ty <G>
Dec 12 19:39:56 <lcuk> thats a badge of honour :D
Dec 12 19:40:03 <lcuk> can i get a toolbar like that for mine
Dec 12 19:40:45 <AStorm> StsN800, and build firefox 3.1b2 while you're at it
Dec 12 19:41:19 <AStorm> lcuk, I'd like one telling "Hackers may take over your machine"
Dec 12 19:41:38 <AStorm> I actually think an invitation might be in order
Dec 12 19:42:41 <lcuk> what happens if i am myself a hacker
Dec 12 19:44:27 <AStorm> oh, then you know what I mean :D
Dec 12 19:45:14 <lcuk> :D
Dec 12 19:46:12 <StsN800> AStorm, im not sure why anyone would run it on tablet
Dec 12 19:47:03 <AStorm> for ease of building packages?
Dec 12 19:47:14 <AStorm> and modding
Dec 12 19:47:15 <lcuk> excuse me
Dec 12 19:47:29 * lcuk wafts frantically and opens a window
Dec 12 19:48:16 <Mousey> ...that reminds me
Dec 12 19:48:45 <Mousey> does fsck EVER run at boot on the partitions on the n810?
Dec 12 19:49:01 <Mousey> i set the mount count to 38457287345628793465289734659287346528734651287346582710934650128934 and it still didn't fsck at boot
Dec 12 19:49:05 <Mousey> now my drives are ;_;
Dec 12 19:50:08 <AStorm> Mousey, no, it doesn't
Dec 12 19:50:17 <Mousey> rats
Dec 12 19:50:19 <AStorm> no fsck being done
Dec 12 19:50:38 <Mousey> so i have to periodically usbconnect and fsck, OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES
Dec 12 19:50:42 <AStorm> does jffs2 have a working fsck anyway?
Dec 12 19:51:01 <Mousey> well i'm more concerned with the internal and external flash
Dec 12 19:51:02 <AStorm> why usbconnect?
Dec 12 19:51:12 <AStorm> ah, well
Dec 12 19:51:17 <AStorm> these can be unmounted
Dec 12 19:51:22 <Mousey> so i can address them and fsck them
Dec 12 19:51:41 <AStorm> and you'd need dosfsck and the one for immc
Dec 12 19:51:58 <AStorm> do we have a dosfstools package?
Dec 12 19:51:59 <Mousey> nope, i've reformatted my internal mmc ext2
Dec 12 19:52:21 <Mousey> since ext2libs and utils exist, it works fine, ext3 too
Dec 12 19:52:28 <AStorm> yup
Dec 12 20:00:45 <zakmm> can anyone help me install nitdroid ? on Linux currently ( Clone to SD )
Dec 12 20:02:42 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: should I upgrade omap-fb-tools and utelnetd from deblet?
Dec 12 20:03:44 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: and I see the tablet-hw-su-18-nonfree and support now also
Dec 12 20:11:16 <StsN800> no
Dec 12 20:11:39 * lcuk bangs head against chanwall
Dec 12 20:11:43 <StsN800> mm
Dec 12 20:12:23 <r2d2rogers> k, still looking good otherwise, trying to make headway on input,
Dec 12 20:12:24 <t_s_o> hmm, now what?
Dec 12 20:12:29 <r2d2rogers> midori shows up on the menu now
Dec 12 20:13:59 <zakmm> As a workaround enable R&D mode to prevent turn off crash: sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode
Dec 12 20:14:03 <zakmm> should i do that?
Dec 12 20:14:08 <zakmm> when installing Nitdroid?
Dec 12 20:18:16 <zakmm> -Flash the NITdroid kernel with 'flasher -f -k zImage-nitdroid-n8x0 -R'.
Dec 12 20:18:22 <zakmm> where should i do that? on pc or nokia?
Dec 12 20:18:26 <zakmm> from the mountpoint?
Dec 12 20:18:35 <zakmm> how should i do the flash nitdroid kernel
Dec 12 20:19:36 <r2d2rogers> zakmm: wish I could help, but I know nothing about nitdroid
Dec 12 20:21:47 <zakmm> Suitable USB device not found, waiting
Dec 12 20:21:57 <r2d2rogers> sudo ?
Dec 12 20:22:08 <zakmm> ... that would give me permission not found
Dec 12 20:22:16 <zakmm> or w.e permission related
Dec 12 20:22:18 <r2d2rogers> true
Dec 12 20:22:22 <r2d2rogers> plugged in?
Dec 12 20:22:23 <zakmm> but yes i did sudo
Dec 12 20:22:25 <zakmm> yes plugged in
Dec 12 20:22:29 <zakmm> i can see it on desktop
Dec 12 20:22:32 <r2d2rogers> AH
Dec 12 20:22:35 <zakmm> /dev/sdc1-3
Dec 12 20:22:38 <r2d2rogers> turn it off
Dec 12 20:22:43 <r2d2rogers> and then back on
Dec 12 20:22:47 <zakmm> ohh right flash mode?
Dec 12 20:22:52 <r2d2rogers> Yup
Dec 12 20:22:52 <zakmm> how do i achieve that?
Dec 12 20:22:54 <zakmm> i forgot
Dec 12 20:23:04 <r2d2rogers> might just does when it's plugged in on boot
Dec 12 20:23:11 <r2d2rogers> but you might need to hold down menu or home
Dec 12 20:23:36 <zakmm> uh oh
Dec 12 20:23:43 <r2d2rogers> ?
Dec 12 20:23:50 <zakmm> apparnatly it worked before
Dec 12 20:23:53 <zakmm> but now my nokia is all black?
Dec 12 20:23:59 <zakmm> nothings happening
Dec 12 20:25:06 <r2d2rogers> you sure it's on?
Dec 12 20:25:19 <zakmm> yeah
Dec 12 20:25:20 <r2d2rogers> not plugged into the charger on reboot was it?
Dec 12 20:25:20 <zakmm> nokia goes
Dec 12 20:25:22 <zakmm> and the backlight is on
Dec 12 20:25:26 <r2d2rogers> k
Dec 12 20:25:26 <zakmm> nope
Dec 12 20:25:32 <zakmm> ohh there
Dec 12 20:25:32 <r2d2rogers> no clue...
Dec 12 20:25:33 <zakmm> nitdroid
Dec 12 20:25:37 <r2d2rogers> tada
Dec 12 20:25:39 <r2d2rogers> good
Dec 12 20:25:41 <zakmm> just took a long time, first time i guess
Dec 12 20:26:03 <zakmm> (The first boot takes longer populating cache)
Dec 12 20:26:09 <zakmm> according to nitdroid page
Dec 12 20:26:34 <zakmm> heard nitdroid is faster than maemo, so i thought id try it out :)
Dec 12 20:27:39 <r2d2rogers> I'm on a 770, so there's a limit to what fast can be fore me ;)
Dec 12 20:27:52 <zakmm> my 770 WSOD'd within like two weeks of buying
Dec 12 20:28:03 <zakmm> and i bought it on ebay for $85.. and it went past the persons warranty
Dec 12 20:28:06 <zakmm> so i was screwed
Dec 12 20:28:18 <r2d2rogers> I ahve 2
Dec 12 20:28:23 <zakmm> got nokia n800 for $145 though, nicee condition and a nice case and all for it too
Dec 12 20:28:27 <zakmm> and he came to me.. :P
Dec 12 20:28:33 <zakmm> so i didnt pay shipping or anytihng.. paid cash
Dec 12 20:28:38 <r2d2rogers> one original price, and one second hand from same age, 475
Dec 12 20:29:42 <r2d2rogers> for $75...
Dec 12 20:30:40 <solca> zakmm: still there?
Dec 12 20:35:13 <r2d2rogers> what's the name of the network applet for maemo?
Dec 12 20:35:26 <StsN800> r2d2rogers, not oss
Dec 12 20:35:34 <r2d2rogers> doh
Dec 12 20:35:35 <r2d2rogers> thanks
Dec 12 20:36:01 <zakmm_> StsN800: you try nitdroid?
Dec 12 20:36:16 <StsN800> not interested in it
Dec 12 20:37:12 <StsN800> i believe its something that should be as easy to put on your tablet as maemo and mer however
Dec 12 20:37:16 <zakmm_> it keeps rebooting my n800
Dec 12 20:37:30 <zakmm_> i get animation booting
Dec 12 20:37:35 <zakmm_> and it just takes forever and then reboots
Dec 12 20:38:30 <zakmm_> is it safe to unplug battery
Dec 12 20:38:38 <zakmm_> while nokia is on
Dec 12 20:38:42 <StsN800> prolly
Dec 12 20:40:07 <zakmm_> i heard nitdroid was faster
Dec 12 20:40:20 <zakmm_> and it would be cool to show ppl .. hey look at my new nokia phone.. it runs android :P
Dec 12 20:40:32 <zakmm_> have no service, so i cant call ppl though ;p
Dec 12 20:43:00 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: any thoughts on getting the 770 online through wlan or even bt?
Dec 12 20:45:18 <zakmm_> Debugging kernels have the console output redirected to screen and serial.
Dec 12 20:45:27 <zakmm_> would that mean i would get to see error
Dec 12 20:45:34 <zakmm_> why it wont boot/restarts
Dec 12 20:49:26 <`0660> can anyone else use facebook with microb?
Dec 12 20:49:41 <zakmm_> works for me?
Dec 12 20:49:45 <StsN800> r2d2rogers, bluetooth pan is easy. look at deblet hack challenges
Dec 12 20:49:46 <zakmm_> what error you get?
Dec 12 20:49:59 <`0660> it tries to offer me wap version :p
Dec 12 20:50:10 <StsN800> r2d2rogers, wlan: patched cx3110x
Dec 12 20:50:20 <zakmm_> StsN800: finally got wifi at home ;p
Dec 12 20:51:33 <`0660> that's the address i use: http://www.facebook.com/
Dec 12 20:51:37 <lcuk> fffffffffffffkn freezing
Dec 12 20:51:42 <`0660> weird
Dec 12 20:52:08 <zakmm_> lcuk: you try nitdroid?
Dec 12 20:52:11 <lcuk> 0660, they are scanning browser key thingies
Dec 12 20:52:23 <lcuk> no, is it contagious?
Dec 12 20:52:35 <zakmm_> it keeps rebooting for me
Dec 12 20:52:36 <zakmm_> -.-
Dec 12 20:52:59 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: patched?
Dec 12 20:53:04 <lcuk> then use a stable system :)
Dec 12 20:53:09 <lcuk> like maemo
Dec 12 20:53:24 <zakmm_> ppl keep saying nice phone... so i want to have android
Dec 12 20:53:31 <zakmm_> plus it sounds like a cool alternate
Dec 12 20:53:44 <`0660> lcuk, they don't do it very well :)
Dec 12 20:53:51 <lcuk> but its a phone os, and as far as i recall, the 810 isnt a phone
Dec 12 20:54:05 <lcuk> unless you know something i dont
Dec 12 20:54:12 <zakmm_> i know
Dec 12 20:54:24 <zakmm_> but now i can be like yeah i know eh? :P
Dec 12 20:54:35 * lcuk cant personally see the point in installing something designed primarily for use as a phone on something that isnt one
Dec 12 20:54:38 <zakmm_> plus alot are like like android right
Dec 12 20:54:42 <zakmm_> lol
Dec 12 20:54:50 <zakmm_> i just want it working :(
Dec 12 20:54:58 <lcuk> then buy a phone
Dec 12 20:55:05 <zakmm_> no money?
Dec 12 20:55:39 <lcuk> thats a reasonable point - i have less than no money
Dec 12 20:55:50 <lcuk> infact i have interest owning on the lack of money i have
Dec 12 20:56:14 <lcuk> but even if i had a zillion quid i still couldnt make a proper call using android on n810
Dec 12 20:56:28 <zakmm_> lol
Dec 12 20:56:29 <Navi> lol
Dec 12 20:56:35 <zakmm_> i just want android OS .. not the calling part
Dec 12 20:56:50 <Navi> There's nothing good running on Android at the moment anyways :P
Dec 12 20:57:01 <lcuk> but your mates will all go "oh cool, android, ARHGHGHGHGHGHH I HAVE FALLEN AND BROKEN MY LEG, CALL ME AN AMBULANCE!"
Dec 12 20:57:03 <zakmm_> Navi: you tried nitdroid?
Dec 12 20:57:12 <lcuk> you would look like a right wally
Dec 12 20:57:57 * lcuk gets off his high horse and gets on with code
Dec 12 20:58:08 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: there's a bunch of patches around for mamona etc that fixesproblems and amongst others gives WPA and wireless extesisons
Dec 12 20:59:38 <r2d2rogers> awesome
Dec 12 20:59:53 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: thanks, I'll see if I can dig around for those tomorrow
Dec 12 21:00:14 <lcuk> zakmm_, having said all that, hows perforance, or havent you got it runnin at all yet
Dec 12 21:00:42 <zakmm_> it shows the bootscreen
Dec 12 21:00:46 <zakmm_> of nitdroid
Dec 12 21:00:51 <zakmm_> and then it just reboots the nokia
Dec 12 21:00:52 <zakmm_> and it loops
Dec 12 21:01:11 <zakmm_> apparantly performance beats maemo significantly
Dec 12 21:01:44 <Stskeeps> yes, but does power usage? :P
Dec 12 21:02:03 <zakmm_> i dont know
Dec 12 21:02:05 <lcuk> that sounds like quite significant speedups, i doubt maemo could ever reboot that fast
Dec 12 21:02:06 <zakmm_> i want it workinggg
Dec 12 21:02:17 <zakmm_> lol
Dec 12 21:02:33 <Stskeeps> lcuk: some of it is right probably but i haven't seen anything regarding hw interfacing to produce power savings so..
Dec 12 21:02:55 <qwerty12_N800> you did make sure that the userspace was on the *3rd* partition right?
Dec 12 21:03:11 <lcuk> power savings arent an issue personally, 9)% of time its tethered
Dec 12 21:03:22 <zakmm_> qwerty12_N800: the uhh
Dec 12 21:03:23 <lcuk> 3 partitions? :O
Dec 12 21:03:27 <zakmm_> filesystem extracting?
Dec 12 21:03:35 <qwerty12_N800> yeah
Dec 12 21:03:39 <zakmm_> yes
Dec 12 21:03:42 <zakmm_> sdc3 it was
Dec 12 21:03:45 <qwerty12_N800> also, was it done as root?
Dec 12 21:04:08 <zakmm_> i copied the tar to /mnt
Dec 12 21:04:13 <zakmm_> mounted sdc3 to /mnt
Dec 12 21:04:23 <zakmm_> and then extracted the tar.. to the /mnt...
Dec 12 21:04:26 <zakmm_> from /mnt
Dec 12 21:04:37 <zakmm_> and then umount'd .. and then did the flasher...
Dec 12 21:05:23 <qwerty12_N800> i'd bet my right ball, that if you did get it working, that there would be no touchscreen anyway
Dec 12 21:05:45 <zakmm_> according to nitdroid.. touchscreen works?
Dec 12 21:05:55 <zakmm_> The good: Latest Linux 2.6 kernel (2.6.28-rc8-omap). Touchscreen.
Dec 12 21:06:06 <qwerty12_N800> yes, for a patched N810 touchscreen driver
Dec 12 21:06:24 <zakmm_> isnt it the same driver?
Dec 12 21:06:26 <zakmm_> for n800
Dec 12 21:06:34 <qwerty12_N800> i'm pretty sure that solca didn't do the modifications for the N800
Dec 12 21:06:36 <qwerty12_N800> no
Dec 12 21:07:34 <zakmm_> so im out of luck?
Dec 12 21:07:56 <zakmm_> should i flash back diablo?
Dec 12 21:08:16 <qwerty12_N800> well, you could get the kernel source and get to patching yourself ;P
Dec 12 21:08:52 <zakmm_> difficulty level?
Dec 12 21:08:54 <zakmm_> i cant program .
Dec 12 21:09:01 <zakmm_> know linux quite well though
Dec 12 21:09:27 <qwerty12_N800> so can't I but I managed for the old android
Dec 12 21:10:06 <zakmm_> so should i reflash with diablo?
Dec 12 21:10:13 <zakmm_> since it doesnt look like android will work
Dec 12 21:10:27 <zakmm_> wont even boot.. let alone touchscreen
Dec 12 21:11:16 <qwerty12_N800> probably easiest for now :/ but you just have to flash back the diablo kernel, not the whole thing
Dec 12 21:11:30 <zakmm_> how do i do that?
Dec 12 21:11:33 <zakmm_> i use clone to sd... btw
Dec 12 21:11:44 <zakmm_> i got 2 SD cards though .. and i installed android to the other one
Dec 12 21:11:48 <Stskeeps> heh
Dec 12 21:12:00 <Stskeeps> you know the closed devices stuff is shit when a new word in the danish language is "jailbreak
Dec 12 21:12:51 <qwerty12_N800> zakmm_, flasher-3.0 has a --flash-only option but I prefer to unpack the fiasco image and use flasher with -f -k options to flash just the zimage
Dec 12 21:13:28 <zakmm_> i used -f -k when doing android?
Dec 12 21:13:49 <qwerty12_N800> yeah
Dec 12 21:13:59 <zakmm_> so what would i do?
Dec 12 21:14:01 <zakmm_> guide me please :)
Dec 12 21:14:38 <zakmm_> meizirkki: you here?
Dec 12 21:16:12 <thoughtfix> Good afternoon
Dec 12 21:16:20 <qwerty12_N800> zakmm_, probably easiest to do sudo flasher-3.0 -F RX-34<tab> --flash-only=kernel
Dec 12 21:16:29 <zakmm_> oh cool :P
Dec 12 21:16:38 <qwerty12_N800> evening thoughtfix
Dec 12 21:16:40 <zakmm_> so i need diablo image?
Dec 12 21:16:47 <qwerty12_N800> yep
Dec 12 21:18:00 <thoughtfix> tabletblog is still down. Grr @ Google/Blogger
Dec 12 21:18:14 <thoughtfix> Apparently they're working on (i.e. breaking) custom domains
Dec 12 21:41:50 <Stskeeps> home sweet home
Dec 12 21:44:07 <Stskeeps> heh, took 15 mins for my tablet to time out :P
Dec 12 21:44:27 <lcuk> i was just gonna ask how much you pay for roamin
Dec 12 21:45:24 <Stskeeps> mm, pay too much for data, but its only choice i have atm
Dec 12 21:45:50 <lcuk> heh, good job you dont use your NIT as repo
Dec 12 21:46:07 <Stskeeps> yeah
Dec 12 21:46:17 <lcuk> anyway, its friday night
Dec 12 21:46:22 <Stskeeps> mm indeed
Dec 12 21:46:26 * lcuk raises a beer to the hardworking guys around maemo
Dec 12 21:46:33 <lcuk> all 2 of us :P :D
Dec 12 21:46:41 * Stskeeps had a bit too much of socializing so
Dec 12 21:46:48 <Stskeeps> am a bit odd like that
Dec 12 21:47:20 <badw00t> you're not drunk enough, carsten
Dec 12 21:47:21 <lcuk> Stskeeps, :) we do what makes us comfortable
Dec 12 21:47:30 <badw00t> your typing is still comprehensible
Dec 12 21:47:33 <Stskeeps> badw00t: that's true.
Dec 12 21:47:34 * badw00t passes the vodka
Dec 12 21:47:47 <Stskeeps> i had beer tonight, not vodka, so :P
Dec 12 21:47:52 <Stskeeps> vodka's tomorrow
Dec 12 21:47:56 <lcuk> thats your problem then
Dec 12 21:48:01 <badw00t> it is never too early to start
Dec 12 21:48:07 <Stskeeps> badw00t: and you so need to come to .dk for a good night out
Dec 12 21:48:11 <lcuk> why put off till tomorrow what you can drink tonight
Dec 12 21:51:13 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: ++ on the screenshots btw
Dec 12 21:51:35 <r2d2rogers> Meiz_n810: Stskeeps thanks
Dec 12 21:51:40 <r2d2rogers> oops
Dec 12 21:51:44 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: thanks
Dec 12 21:51:53 <r2d2rogers> no luck witht he BTpan yet
Dec 12 21:52:04 <r2d2rogers> script fails without saying why
Dec 12 21:52:13 <r2d2rogers> suspect password
Dec 12 21:52:45 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: if you can make a scrshot showing cat /proc/component_version and uname -a, it'd be a nice touch
Dec 12 21:52:49 <Stskeeps> (from terminal)
Dec 12 21:52:55 <Stskeeps> i think lxterminal might do the trick
Dec 12 21:54:35 <r2d2rogers> lxt... k
Dec 12 21:55:05 <r2d2rogers> what's the keyboard from deblet called?
Dec 12 21:55:19 <r2d2rogers> xvkbd didn't quite work out
Dec 12 21:55:29 <Stskeeps> matchbox-keyboard
Dec 12 22:00:57 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: enter on the keyboard seems not to work
Dec 12 22:01:06 <r2d2rogers> same as the read foo issue
Dec 12 22:01:16 <Stskeeps> physical or virtual?
Dec 12 22:01:20 <r2d2rogers> either
Dec 12 22:01:27 <Stskeeps> that's awkward :P
Dec 12 22:02:00 <Stskeeps> stick key maybe or something
Dec 12 22:02:37 <r2d2rogers> stick key?
Dec 12 22:02:38 * Stskeeps ponders if there's any obvious sys info applets
Dec 12 22:02:43 <Stskeeps> some stuck key
Dec 12 22:02:45 <r2d2rogers> ahh
Dec 12 22:02:51 <r2d2rogers> but I can type the rest?
Dec 12 22:03:11 <Stskeeps> well since you can't press enter you can't really execute in an x-term.. :P
Dec 12 22:03:28 <r2d2rogers> nope
Dec 12 22:03:42 <r2d2rogers> bluetooth hid is a project I'm digging at though
Dec 12 22:03:57 <Stskeeps> k
Dec 12 22:04:52 <r2d2rogers> I have a stowaway keyboard
Dec 12 22:05:02 <jakemaheu> rage
Dec 12 22:05:31 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: is there a keymap for matchbox keyboard I can check?
Dec 12 22:05:37 <r2d2rogers> the enter key is blank
Dec 12 22:05:46 <Stskeeps> should work from scratch
Dec 12 22:06:12 <jakemaheu> did anyone notice that in xTerm in diablo, when you close and then reopen the keyboard, that your previous entry disappears?
Dec 12 22:06:44 <jakemaheu> er, that is, you can no longer edit it in fullscreen keyboard mode?
Dec 12 22:09:44 <jakemaheu> also, can I get a hand with the linux flasher?
Dec 12 22:10:51 <lcuk> r2d2rogers, Stskeeps this enter key problem, when i had a keyboard plugged in it didnt respond the same with ENTER and CR
Dec 12 22:12:10 <r2d2rogers> I remember seeing keycodes in some script, I don't suppose they'd be different from 770 to n8x0?
Dec 12 22:12:55 <Stskeeps> shouldn't be.. i dont think there's 770 specific code in the software
Dec 12 22:12:57 <Stskeeps> at least i hope not
Dec 12 22:13:00 <lcuk> dunno
Dec 12 22:13:53 <lcuk> im just looking at a whole host of interfaces for phones - do these invisible swipe methods work? (to change between apps and rotate desktop etc)  do you end up accidentally hitting wrong buttons in app you are swiping over?
Dec 12 22:14:45 <r2d2rogers> poutting my screenshots on picasa
Dec 12 22:14:57 <r2d2rogers> http://picasaweb.google.com/r2d2rogers/Mer770
Dec 12 22:15:00 <r2d2rogers> taht work for you guys?
Dec 12 22:15:35 <lcuk> r2d2rogers,  yes, and you are still a superuser
Dec 12 22:16:02 <r2d2rogers> no new ones yet :0
Dec 12 22:16:28 <r2d2rogers> when I get the bt keyboard working I'll make a user and try to break something else
Dec 12 22:16:32 <Stskeeps> yeah, theming not showing is cos you launch from shell i presume?
Dec 12 22:16:40 <r2d2rogers> right
Dec 12 22:16:49 <r2d2rogers> I'll update those now that that is fixed
Dec 12 22:16:54 <r2d2rogers> rebot for items to show in the menu
Dec 12 22:17:35 <Stskeeps> true
Dec 12 22:22:06 <Stskeeps> that that is fixed?
Dec 12 22:22:10 <Stskeeps> what'd you do?
Dec 12 22:24:49 <r2d2rogers> just ran from within instead of from the telnet
Dec 12 22:25:23 <r2d2rogers> should the action for the matchbox-keyboard be return or enter
Dec 12 22:25:30 <r2d2rogers> I found the xml key layouts
Dec 12 22:26:13 <Stskeeps> return i guess
Dec 12 22:26:20 * Stskeeps puts on a good House episode.
Dec 12 22:26:49 * jakemaheu has 42 episodes of house on his computer-- 11.2 gb
Dec 12 22:28:03 * Stskeeps ponders how to contiue with the sdk saga
Dec 12 22:32:25 * r2d2rogers know now how the people he usually copies solutions from through google must have felt...
Dec 12 22:40:53 <zakkmm> how do i fix the resource not avaliable .. when using flasher?
Dec 12 22:41:02 <zakkmm> Sending kernel image (139055 kB)...
Dec 12 22:41:02 <zakkmm> Write failed after 0 bytes
Dec 12 22:41:02 <zakkmm> usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable
Dec 12 22:41:23 <jakemaheu> lemme guess-- nitdroid?
Dec 12 22:42:02 <zakkmm> i failed nitroid
Dec 12 22:42:06 <zakkmm> trying to re put on diablo
Dec 12 22:42:13 <jakemaheu> don't worry, i had the same problem
Dec 12 22:42:21 <zakkmm> how do i fix?
Dec 12 22:42:21 <jakemaheu> do you have a terminal open?
Dec 12 22:42:25 <zakkmm> yes
Dec 12 22:42:36 <zakkmm> jakemaheu:yes
Dec 12 22:42:38 <jakemaheu> alright, are you in root?
Dec 12 22:42:40 <jakemaheu> sudo -s
Dec 12 22:42:43 <zakkmm> yes
Dec 12 22:42:45 <jakemaheu> then your password
Dec 12 22:42:49 <jakemaheu> alight
Dec 12 22:42:49 <zakkmm> of course
Dec 12 22:42:52 <jakemaheu> *alright
Dec 12 22:42:58 <zakkmm> im not new to the linux world ;p
Dec 12 22:43:03 <jakemaheu> ok
Dec 12 22:43:06 <zakkmm> just not an tablet expert ;p
Dec 12 22:43:19 <jakemaheu> are you just reflashing the kernel, or the whole system?
Dec 12 22:43:23 <zakkmm> the kernel
Dec 12 22:43:32 <jakemaheu> alright, and you've extracted it then?
Dec 12 22:43:33 <zakkmm> i added --flash-only=kernel
Dec 12 22:43:37 <zakkmm> no?
Dec 12 22:43:43 <zakkmm> i got uhh
Dec 12 22:43:51 <zakkmm> ./flasher-3.0 -f -k RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.36-5_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --enable-rd-mode
Dec 12 22:44:10 <jakemaheu> the easier way to do it is this:
Dec 12 22:44:34 <jakemaheu> ./flasher -u diablo.bin
Dec 12 22:44:51 <jakemaheu> that will extract all components of the image, and you will have a separate kernel
Dec 12 22:45:16 <jakemaheu> -u unpacks the image
Dec 12 22:45:24 <zakkmm> didnt do anything?
Dec 12 22:45:26 <jakemaheu> diablo.bin is just the name of mine
Dec 12 22:45:36 <jakemaheu> didi you enter your filename?
Dec 12 22:45:37 <zakkmm> i know
Dec 12 22:45:39 <jakemaheu> *did
Dec 12 22:45:39 <zakkmm> i renamed -.-
Dec 12 22:45:43 <jakemaheu> ok
Dec 12 22:46:01 <jakemaheu> just a sec
Dec 12 22:46:34 <jakemaheu> sorry, the command is:
Dec 12 22:46:48 <jakemaheu> ./flasher - F diablo.bin -u
Dec 12 22:46:53 <jakemaheu> er, -F
Dec 12 22:47:37 <zakkmm> k
Dec 12 22:47:38 <zakkmm> it worked
Dec 12 22:47:39 <zakkmm> now what
Dec 12 22:47:51 <jakemaheu> alright, now you'll have a bunch of file, plus "zImage"
Dec 12 22:47:55 <jakemaheu> that is your kernel
Dec 12 22:48:53 <zakkmm> sweet
Dec 12 22:48:54 <zakkmm> fixed :)
Dec 12 22:48:56 <zakkmm> thankkk you
Dec 12 22:49:02 <jakemaheu> no prob
Dec 12 22:49:07 <zakkmm> btw, did you have a n800?
Dec 12 22:49:07 <jakemaheu>  is it booting up now?
Dec 12 22:49:09 <zakkmm> yeah
Dec 12 22:49:10 <jakemaheu> yup
Dec 12 22:49:11 <zakkmm> perfectly ;p
Dec 12 22:49:14 <zakkmm> im in maemo already
Dec 12 22:49:15 <jakemaheu> schweet
Dec 12 22:49:19 <jakemaheu> nice boot time
Dec 12 22:49:29 <jakemaheu> don't forget to do a reboot
Dec 12 22:49:37 <zakkmm> when?
Dec 12 22:49:40 <jakemaheu> if you didn't already
Dec 12 22:49:58 <zakkmm> damn it has a weird bootloader display now
Dec 12 22:50:02 <zakkmm> for like 0.5s
Dec 12 22:50:05 <jakemaheu> really?
Dec 12 22:50:07 <jakemaheu> huh
Dec 12 22:50:12 <zakkmm> yeah
Dec 12 22:50:15 <zakkmm> it tells me some info
Dec 12 22:50:17 <zakkmm> -.-
Dec 12 22:50:31 <jakemaheu> it's because you're in R&D mode still, remember?
Dec 12 22:50:35 <zakkmm> ya
Dec 12 22:50:56 <jakemaheu> to remove it, run ./flasher --disable-rd-mode
Dec 12 22:51:00 <jakemaheu> as root
Dec 12 22:51:03 <jakemaheu> of course
Dec 12 22:51:26 <zakkmm> sweet thanks
Dec 12 22:51:33 <jakemaheu> no prob, man
Dec 12 22:53:32 <jakemaheu> lol to reflash mine, I had to enable the serial port to keep it from rebooting, wtf
Dec 12 22:53:39 <jakemaheu> bacon\
Dec 12 22:53:46 <lcuk> pardon?
Dec 12 22:53:48 <jakemaheu> bacon is frigging delicious
Dec 12 22:54:07 <lcuk> +1
Dec 12 22:54:09 <jakemaheu> also, i love you lcuk
Dec 12 22:54:10 <jakemaheu> liqbase is one of my top apps
Dec 12 22:54:23 <lcuk> :D
Dec 12 22:54:30 <lcuk> bacon is one of my favorite foods
Dec 12 22:54:40 <jakemaheu> any new changes coming?
Dec 12 22:54:42 <jakemaheu> mine too
Dec 12 22:54:49 <lcuk> infact, if i put it on my favorite food it would make it even better
Dec 12 22:54:59 <jakemaheu> bacon+bacon is epic
Dec 12 22:55:20 <lcuk> hmmm, yeah lots actually, but ive had to do some major internal shuftying to do stuff
Dec 12 22:55:47 <lcuk> and cleaned out the crap i needed whilst learning :) (but kept the best bits)
Dec 12 22:56:42 <jakemaheu> yay
Dec 12 22:57:04 <jakemaheu> hey, did anyone ever figure out why the camera is screwy in diablo?
Dec 12 22:57:44 <AStorm> it works here?
Dec 12 22:57:45 <jakemaheu> the whole "a batch had a hardware problem" is bs, and so is them "not being able to reproduce the problem"
Dec 12 22:57:54 <jakemaheu> well, sometimes it does
Dec 12 22:58:05 <AStorm> most of the time
Dec 12 22:58:10 <jakemaheu> if you do a clean diablo flash, it will work
Dec 12 22:58:19 <jakemaheu> er, the chat app will open
Dec 12 22:58:26 <AStorm> like, more often than in chinook
Dec 12 22:58:34 <jakemaheu> if you install videocamera or gpscamera, it will work
Dec 12 22:58:38 <jakemaheu> until you reboot
Dec 12 22:58:39 <AStorm> like, all the time :)
Dec 12 22:58:43 <AStorm> hm
Dec 12 22:58:57 <jakemaheu> then it won't flip and chat won't open
Dec 12 22:59:33 <jakemaheu> the solution (totally lame) is to take out the battery and start it again, and it will work-- until the next reboot, and so on and so forth
Dec 12 23:00:08 <jakemaheu> knips works no matter what
Dec 12 23:00:16 <lcuk> liqbase doesnt crash the camera
Dec 12 23:00:16 <jakemaheu> because it is based off of gstreamer
Dec 12 23:00:30 <jakemaheu> does liqbase flip it?
Dec 12 23:00:31 <lcuk> but  did notice if i tried pushing it to full 640*480 it was not stable
Dec 12 23:00:46 <lcuk> no, but it will in next release as required
Dec 12 23:01:13 <jakemaheu> sweet, what does liqbase use for camera control?
Dec 12 23:01:25 <AStorm> v4l :P
Dec 12 23:01:30 <jakemaheu> also, no offense, but knips is really unstable
Dec 12 23:01:39 <jakemaheu> isn't it v4l2?
Dec 12 23:02:30 <AStorm> yes
Dec 12 23:02:37 <lcuk> gstreamer
Dec 12 23:02:43 <jakemaheu> ok
Dec 12 23:02:44 <lcuk> i think its v42 underneath
Dec 12 23:02:46 <AStorm> ah
Dec 12 23:02:49 <jakemaheu> yeah
Dec 12 23:03:02 <AStorm> so not v4l2 directly? :|
Dec 12 23:03:23 <lcuk> heh
Dec 12 23:05:06 <jakemaheu> you should add more bacon in the next iteration of liqbase
Dec 12 23:05:26 <AStorm> nah, it should be fat-free
Dec 12 23:05:29 <lcuk> MORE, theres already galaxies full of it
Dec 12 23:05:37 <jakemaheu> lol galaxies
Dec 12 23:05:38 <jakemaheu> nice
Dec 12 23:06:39 <jakemaheu> there's this great restaurant in Frankenmuth, Michigan
Dec 12 23:06:44 <jakemaheu> i can't recall the name
Dec 12 23:07:13 <jakemaheu> but if you order bacon, they literally bring you a PILE of bacon
Dec 12 23:07:29 <jakemaheu> like, 10 in plate with a 7 in stack
Dec 12 23:07:41 <lcuk> when you look up at the heavens towards pisces and consider that a full arc of the universe is a pig you have to ponder just how much bacon that is
Dec 12 23:07:56 <jakemaheu> 42
Dec 12 23:08:00 <jakemaheu> tonnes
Dec 12 23:08:14 <jakemaheu> or, 10 shit-loads
Dec 12 23:08:48 <AStorm> 10 decimal or binary?
Dec 12 23:08:49 <jakemaheu> it's a lot of bacon nonetheless
Dec 12 23:09:09 <jakemaheu> decimal, isn't 10 in binary 2 in decimal?
Dec 12 23:09:32 <jakemaheu> oh yeah, there are only 10 types of people in this world, those who can read binary and those who can't
Dec 12 23:10:19 * Stskeeps hums along to chicane - saltwater and ponders to look more at sb2 code
Dec 12 23:11:22 <jakemaheu> is there a good guide to using scratchbox on ubuntu?
Dec 12 23:11:38 <lcuk> if you find one, send it to sts ;)
Dec 12 23:11:54 <jakemaheu> i will
Dec 12 23:12:13 <Stskeeps> sb2, sb1 is more understandable
Dec 12 23:12:27 <AStorm> I want one distro-unrelated
Dec 12 23:12:34 <AStorm> generic sb2 guide
Dec 12 23:12:37 <jakemaheu> that would be good
Dec 12 23:12:55 <Stskeeps> AStorm: i would really like sb2 documentation
Dec 12 23:13:06 <Stskeeps> i'm starting to see why it's cool and how it's made, but the tiny bugs are .. big
Dec 12 23:13:08 <Stskeeps> when using it effectively
Dec 12 23:13:08 <jakemaheu> there are some apps i'd like to just try getting on the tablet (in b4 deblet)
Dec 12 23:14:03 <Stskeeps> AStorm: i can pretty much explain some of the inner workings or point to interesting pieces
Dec 12 23:14:17 * jakemaheu wonders when I'll get around to working on getting nitdroid to work again
Dec 12 23:14:21 <jakemaheu> oh
Dec 12 23:14:34 <Stskeeps> jakemaheu: mm. deblet is pretty much dead
Dec 12 23:14:41 <jakemaheu> really?
Dec 12 23:14:43 <jakemaheu> how so?
Dec 12 23:14:53 <jakemaheu> i know that there's kde4 soon
Dec 12 23:14:56 <Stskeeps> mer is really the successor
Dec 12 23:15:11 <jakemaheu> and easy-charged turbo debian is even in extras
Dec 12 23:15:23 <jakemaheu> you see, i can't find much info about mer
Dec 12 23:15:30 <Stskeeps> right, sec
Dec 12 23:15:42 <jakemaheu> i scrape tidbits, but i can't find real info
Dec 12 23:16:05 <Stskeeps> basically it's a continuation of a proof of concept we had regarding a bunch of thoughts i had about reconstructing Maemo
Dec 12 23:16:18 <Stskeeps> after working hard with deblet and observing some trends
Dec 12 23:16:32 <jakemaheu> is it based off another distro (other than debian)
Dec 12 23:16:38 <Stskeeps> yes, ubuntu arm
Dec 12 23:17:24 <jakemaheu> ok
Dec 12 23:17:30 <jakemaheu> any releases of that yet?
Dec 12 23:17:37 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed <- old thoughts, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint , previous work, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint_New transformation
Dec 12 23:17:51 <jakemaheu> ty
Dec 12 23:18:04 <Stskeeps> we have an imager/installer but it's quite early on
Dec 12 23:18:27 <Stskeeps> but interesting stuff is already possible. http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/ , http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2860444474240852735&ei=GlxBSdmQN4qGiQLr2e38Cw&q=n810+Mer
Dec 12 23:18:38 <jakemaheu> it ticks me off that an old compaq armada e500 with ubuntu runs comparably to my amd athlon xp 2200 with a gig of ram and xp
Dec 12 23:18:39 <Stskeeps> (midori under mer)
Dec 12 23:18:43 <jakemaheu> neat
Dec 12 23:18:48 <jakemaheu> i'll check those out
Dec 12 23:19:00 <Stskeeps> midori video is impressive
Dec 12 23:19:47 <jakemaheu> kewl
Dec 12 23:20:09 <jakemaheu> can you run the newest 2.6 linux kernel on maemo 4.1?
Dec 12 23:20:21 <Stskeeps> dont think they intermix that nicely right now
Dec 12 23:20:29 <jakemaheu> i think the open-source wifi driver needs a newer one
Dec 12 23:21:05 <jakemaheu> i guess solca got the 2.6.18 kernel running for his android port
Dec 12 23:21:14 <jakemaheu> that is the version, right?
Dec 12 23:21:14 <Stskeeps> 2.6.28, yeah
Dec 12 23:21:35 <Stskeeps> it's the idea in mer to have a common kernel project though that can support booting different kernesl
Dec 12 23:21:41 <jakemaheu> alright
Dec 12 23:21:44 <jakemaheu> nice
Dec 12 23:22:05 <Stskeeps> (no more need for reflashing, for instance)
Dec 12 23:22:07 <Stskeeps> of kernels
Dec 12 23:23:02 <jakemaheu> would any of you be interested in a portal-themed theme?
Dec 12 23:23:08 <jakemaheu> as in the game
Dec 12 23:23:25 <Stskeeps> i'm interested in any hildon themes if they're CC/SA or OSS :P
Dec 12 23:23:49 <jakemaheu> if i make one, i'll release it under that
Dec 12 23:24:01 <jakemaheu> actually, maybe CC/SA/NC
Dec 12 23:24:32 <Stskeeps> mm
Dec 12 23:24:34 <Stskeeps> fair enough
Dec 12 23:24:52 <jakemaheu> actually, by-nc-sa
Dec 12 23:24:54 <lcuk> forgive my innocence, is there a GUI available to allow me to setup and configure my booting and cloning options for NOT
Dec 12 23:24:55 <jakemaheu> 2.0
Dec 12 23:25:07 <Stskeeps> lcuk: not?
Dec 12 23:25:08 <lcuk> NIT even
Dec 12 23:25:11 <lcuk> ffs
Dec 12 23:25:15 <Stskeeps> lcuk: not yet
Dec 12 23:25:25 <Stskeeps> lcuk: or maybe penguinbaits tools
Dec 12 23:25:26 <lcuk> ok, do we have a page discussing whats needed?
Dec 12 23:25:28 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles keeps pushing me to write one though
Dec 12 23:25:28 <jakemaheu> that would be neat
Dec 12 23:25:32 <lcuk> yeah i recall those
Dec 12 23:25:40 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i would recommend waiting for solca's chooser
Dec 12 23:25:45 <Stskeeps> that's next generation bootmenu
Dec 12 23:25:51 <lcuk> alright, but a chooser is only one part
Dec 12 23:25:55 <jakemaheu> @stskeeps: those are cmdline utils though, right?
Dec 12 23:26:11 <Stskeeps> jakemaheu: hmm?
Dec 12 23:26:17 <lcuk> Stskeeps, i keep thinking i might have a selection of OSes handy on different memory cards - old style floppy disk style
Dec 12 23:26:29 <Stskeeps> lcuk: well then there's my .item system..
Dec 12 23:26:50 <jakemaheu> .item system?
Dec 12 23:26:56 <Stskeeps> deblet bootmenu
Dec 12 23:26:59 <jakemaheu> ah
Dec 12 23:27:08 <Stskeeps> instead of a static bootmenu.conf
Dec 12 23:27:12 <jakemaheu> ok
Dec 12 23:27:41 <jakemaheu> interesting
Dec 12 23:28:18 <lcuk> is the password lock thing at BOIS level, or part of the default maemo stack?
Dec 12 23:28:24 <lcuk> BIOS as well
Dec 12 23:28:29 <Stskeeps> lcuk: maemo thing really. mce and systemui
Dec 12 23:28:31 <lcuk> my fingers are cold tonight
Dec 12 23:28:33 <Stskeeps> it's in CAL
Dec 12 23:29:05 <AStorm> yup, but isn't the code stored somewhere fairly safe?
Dec 12 23:29:07 <lcuk> so using an alternative would bypass the bootpass
Dec 12 23:29:10 <Stskeeps> AStorm: nop
Dec 12 23:29:14 <Stskeeps> AStorm: CAL
Dec 12 23:29:50 <Stskeeps> lcuk: yeah, but against the average non-qwerty12, it's not trivial
Dec 12 23:30:33 <lcuk> yeah but if theres a big "insert workbench disk" coming up on everyboot, its not rocket science for someone to follow the breadcrumbs
Dec 12 23:30:46 <jakemaheu> we really need to get penguinbait, qwerty12, solca and lcuk working on the same android project
Dec 12 23:31:04 <jakemaheu> we have one that doesn't work with apps
Dec 12 23:31:25 <lcuk> excuse me? android
Dec 12 23:31:34 <jakemaheu> one that doesn't work without partitioning and tablet-threatening situations
Dec 12 23:31:35 <jakemaheu> yeah
Dec 12 23:31:41 <jakemaheu> you're good, lcuk
Dec 12 23:32:18 <lcuk> why thank you :)
Dec 12 23:32:34 <jakemaheu> also GeneralAntillies (sp?)
Dec 12 23:32:44 <jakemaheu> plus qole, duh
Dec 12 23:32:51 <jakemaheu> it's like a super dev team
Dec 12 23:34:52 <Stskeeps> jakemaheu: though.. there's no way in hell nokia would back an android project, other than maybe making room for the existence
Dec 12 23:35:10 <jakemaheu> we don't need nokia's help
Dec 12 23:35:10 <Stskeeps> and same generic kernel driver stuff
Dec 12 23:35:21 * lcuk holds his hand up
Dec 12 23:35:23 <jakemaheu> we have an open-source driver
Dec 12 23:35:26 <Stskeeps> trust me.. if you want to work seriously on the tablets, you do
Dec 12 23:35:28 <jakemaheu> yes, lcuk?
Dec 12 23:35:37 <Stskeeps> you still need to redistribute wifi firmware, talk with BME, etc
Dec 12 23:36:00 <lcuk> my nokia isnt a phone, its a computer.  whats the point in having a phone OS when you can't use its primary function?   (im repeating myself)
Dec 12 23:36:23 <jakemaheu> android is cool-- have you ever played with a G1?
Dec 12 23:36:29 <Stskeeps> 'reboot'
Dec 12 23:36:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 12 23:36:32 <glass_> androids app model is certainly not cool
Dec 12 23:36:33 <jakemaheu> i have-- it's magic even on edge
Dec 12 23:36:52 <jakemaheu> some of the apps I would kill for on maemo, though
Dec 12 23:36:59 <glass_> androids as magical as a sidekick
Dec 12 23:37:17 <jakemaheu> what is the reason for your opinions?
Dec 12 23:37:27 <lcuk> maemo.org is magic too :) and im really looking forward to having a full powerful computer in my hand :)
Dec 12 23:37:35 <glass_> dunno. people sorta pay me for my opinions
Dec 12 23:37:45 <jakemaheu> interesting, brb
Dec 12 23:37:48 <Stskeeps> jakemaheu: my opinion is based on hard work getting alternative distro working on tablets.
Dec 12 23:37:48 <glass_> the reason is that android is actually a lot like sidekick as a platform
Dec 12 23:38:05 <glass_> and that app model isn't cool in my opinion
Dec 12 23:38:08 <suihkulokki> probably better than replacing the whole system with android is to make android just another app launched from maemo
Dec 12 23:38:11 <lcuk> it is
Dec 12 23:38:15 <glass_> suihkulokki: exactly
Dec 12 23:38:20 <Stskeeps> suihkulokki: indeed
Dec 12 23:38:26 <lcuk> but its not everything
Dec 12 23:40:00 * Stskeeps continues burying himself in sb2 code.
Dec 12 23:40:10 <jakemaheu> nice
Dec 12 23:40:24 <jakemaheu> i miss spending this much time on irc
Dec 12 23:40:29 <jakemaheu> stupid high school
Dec 12 23:41:17 * jakemaheu is cooking grilled cheese
Dec 12 23:42:00 <Stskeeps> it's really awkward how symlink /foo/bar/baz -> ../abc/cde, rm /foo/bar/baz will not work, but rm foo/bar/baz will. that really screws up a lot of postinst scripts
Dec 12 23:42:17 <lcuk> lol sts you keep pushing that bug, move on :P
Dec 12 23:42:26 <Stskeeps> sorry, it's just close to heart :P
Dec 12 23:42:40 <jakemaheu> is there a radio api?
Dec 12 23:42:46 <Stskeeps> fm radio?
Dec 12 23:42:59 <jakemaheu> yeah, it'd be neat to have in canola
Dec 12 23:43:13 <Stskeeps> fairly easy to use, think i saw a fmradio python module
Dec 12 23:43:25 <jakemaheu> interesting
Dec 12 23:43:46 <jakemaheu> first, of course, i have to figure out sb2 and then coding, lol
Dec 12 23:44:20 <lcuk> jake :) i compile directly on device
Dec 12 23:44:28 <jakemaheu> guess what movie i'm seeing at 9:05?
Dec 12 23:44:31 <jakemaheu> ah, neat
Dec 12 23:44:31 <lcuk> cuts out a big step of messing
Dec 12 23:44:38 <jakemaheu> how do you do it?
Dec 12 23:44:54 <lcuk> install compiler and libraries and build my code
Dec 12 23:45:07 <jakemaheu> huh, do you use the sb compiler?
Dec 12 23:45:18 <lcuk> no, i use gcc
Dec 12 23:45:41 <lcuk> its obtained from the same SDK repository that scratchbox uses for armel though
Dec 12 23:46:45 <jakemaheu> cool
Dec 12 23:47:20 <jakemaheu> i bet it takes a while though: http://xkcd.com/303/
Dec 12 23:47:43 <jakemaheu> it's true, though
Dec 12 23:48:14 <lcuk> no actually, if i recompile each modified file and work like i normally do, compilation and running is very similar to compiling in scratchbox and then transfering and executing the binary
Dec 12 23:48:38 <lcuk> full rebuild gives me a chance for a cuppa, but its certainly workable
Dec 12 23:48:48 <jakemaheu> nice
Dec 12 23:49:06 <lcuk> faster than .net building ever was
Dec 12 23:49:07 <lcuk> brb
Dec 12 23:49:33 <jakemaheu> kk
Dec 12 23:51:48 <jakemaheu> brb, grilled cheese + tomato soup
Dec 12 23:53:28 <jakemaheu> back
Dec 12 23:54:43 <jakemaheu> i like that approach, though-- only compiling the modified files
Dec 12 23:57:55 <jakemaheu> what language does sb compile in?
Dec 12 23:58:02 <jakemaheu> isn't it just c?
Dec 13 00:19:57 <jakemaheu> hey b-man
Dec 13 00:20:11 <Stskeeps> lo b-man
Dec 13 00:20:20 <jakemaheu> sups?
Dec 13 00:20:24 <b-man> Hello!
Dec 13 00:21:16 <jakemaheu> how ya doin?
Dec 13 00:22:10 <b-man> Well, i'm trying this client for the first time, it's REALLY COOL! :D
Dec 13 00:22:47 <Stskeeps> hehe. there's probably better clients out there :)
Dec 13 00:23:00 <Stskeeps> but referred to that one to open the barn wide enough for people to get in
Dec 13 00:23:01 <jakemaheu> you're using mibbit?
Dec 13 00:23:55 <b-man> Yes, i'm using mobbit.
Dec 13 00:24:31 <jakemaheu> nice, on anothern sever i was on, they ended up banning it because of the anon spammers
Dec 13 00:24:46 <jakemaheu> then i had to steal mirc
Dec 13 00:25:22 <jakemaheu> hurk, so many packages updating on ubuntu to get to 8.10
Dec 13 00:25:23 <b-man> Im currently using my tablet for this chat.
Dec 13 00:25:26 <jakemaheu> ah
Dec 13 00:25:39 <jakemaheu> i think there's a client for it
Dec 13 00:25:43 <jakemaheu> anyone?
Dec 13 00:25:59 <Stskeeps> b-man: hehe, then try xchat
Dec 13 00:26:00 <Stskeeps> much nicer
Dec 13 00:26:13 <b-man> Thanks!!!
Dec 13 00:26:18 <jakemaheu> yes, that's it, thanks you sstskeepss
Dec 13 00:26:23 <jakemaheu> *stskeeps
Dec 13 00:26:59 <jakemaheu> lol apt is replacing apt
Dec 13 00:27:09 <jakemaheu> 1/0
Dec 13 00:28:23 <jakemaheu> i've got a problem with xterm
Dec 13 00:33:08 <jakemaheu> can anyone give me a hand?
Dec 13 00:37:00 <b-man> attempting to install xchat - wish me luck!
Dec 13 00:37:27 <Stskeeps> hehe
Dec 13 00:38:10 <jakemaheu> good lcuk
Dec 13 00:38:14 <jakemaheu> lol
Dec 13 00:38:44 <b-man> Ah, incompatible application package - nothing that a little hacking won't fix. :)
Dec 13 00:38:55 <jakemaheu> really?
Dec 13 00:39:13 <jakemaheu> just force it
Dec 13 00:39:22 <b-man> Yes. :P
Dec 13 00:41:12 <jakemaheu> get the deb, run dpkg -i xchat.deb --force
Dec 13 00:41:14 <jakemaheu> i think
Dec 13 00:41:26 <jakemaheu> that "should" work
Dec 13 00:41:41 <Stskeeps> b-man: eh, getting it from maemo extras?
Dec 13 00:42:22 <jakemaheu> speaking of maemo extras, i added extras-devel, and wow
Dec 13 00:42:31 <jakemaheu> there's some cool stuff in there
Dec 13 00:43:39 <b-man> from bora extras - it was the first item on my google search. :P
Dec 13 00:43:51 <jakemaheu> oops
Dec 13 00:43:52 <Stskeeps> ah. you run bora? :P
Dec 13 00:43:52 <jakemaheu> lol
Dec 13 00:44:06 <jakemaheu> diablo is so worth it
Dec 13 00:44:22 <Stskeeps> b-man: .. you do run diablo or? :P
Dec 13 00:44:34 <b-man> No, i run Diablo.
Dec 13 00:44:39 <jakemaheu> oh
Dec 13 00:44:57 <jakemaheu> yeah, then you might just want to fire up app mugger
Dec 13 00:45:16 <Stskeeps> yeah, get it from application manager then :P
Dec 13 00:45:27 <Stskeeps> it's there when maemo extras repo is activated
Dec 13 00:46:18 <jakemaheu> it's already entered, just uncheck it
Dec 13 00:46:18 <jakemaheu> er, uncheck disabled
Dec 13 00:46:59 <b-man> app mugger?? - what is this?
Dec 13 00:47:18 <jakemaheu> it's a nickname for the application manager
Dec 13 00:47:30 <jakemaheu> i mostly see General use it
Dec 13 00:47:39 <Stskeeps> ¤"
Dec 13 00:47:42 <b-man> oh
Dec 13 00:54:58 <b-man> I can't wait to try out Mer, it's looking really cool!
Dec 13 00:55:15 <Stskeeps> hehe.. right now i'm fighting with scratchbox 2
Dec 13 00:58:04 <`Mace> hi
Dec 13 00:58:06 <Stskeeps> a sdk / cross compilation suite is important for the project :P without it, everything falls apart. or, goes very slow.
Dec 13 00:58:09 <Stskeeps> lo mace
Dec 13 00:58:17 <`Mace> sup sts
Dec 13 00:58:32 <`Mace> still no sdk?
Dec 13 00:59:00 <b-man> I'll be getting a Dell studio 15 for christmas, it will be my new maemo/mer/android/deblet development machine.
Dec 13 00:59:38 <Stskeeps> `Mace: fightin'
Dec 13 01:00:11 <`Mace> fighting?
Dec 13 01:00:34 <`Mace> problems with nokia or something?
Dec 13 01:00:55 <Stskeeps> oh, no - just fighting with the program scratchbox v2
Dec 13 01:01:01 <b-man> ???
Dec 13 01:01:05 <`Mace> wish n800 had built in 3G modem
Dec 13 01:01:26 <Stskeeps> to get it to do what i want it to, not what it does;)
Dec 13 01:01:29 <`Mace> no wimax in chicago =/
Dec 13 01:01:38 <Stskeeps> 3g will come in rx-51
Dec 13 01:01:41 <b-man> N900?
Dec 13 01:01:52 <Stskeeps> yeah.. we call it rx-51 cos it doesn't have a N-name yet
Dec 13 01:02:04 <Stskeeps> and there's hints laying about
Dec 13 01:02:58 <b-man> It will probably be my christmas gift for next year.
Dec 13 01:03:49 <`Mace> how much $?
Dec 13 01:04:41 <b-man> i'm guessing $400-$500
Dec 13 01:04:57 <`Mace> wish chicago had wimax
Dec 13 01:05:09 <`Mace> id get wimax n810
Dec 13 01:05:44 <Stskeeps> b-man: think prices may drop cos of competition with netbooks, but we'll see
Dec 13 01:05:55 <mavhc> free with a 2 year contract
Dec 13 01:06:18 <mavhc> is wimax cheaper than 3g?
Dec 13 01:06:25 <b-man> i hope so..
Dec 13 01:06:25 <Stskeeps> people won't pay 3x for better battery life, smaller form factor and general deliciousness..
Dec 13 01:06:29 <Stskeeps> or, atleast in my world..
Dec 13 01:06:29 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 13 01:07:46 <mavhc> I got an n810 because things with wireless data cost too much to run/too much initially, a smartphone costs twice as much without a contract
Dec 13 01:08:26 <`Mace> netbooks are still too big
Dec 13 01:08:55 <`Mace> 10" screen = smaller laptop
Dec 13 01:09:10 <b-man> I got my N800 because i wanted a pc in my pocket. :)
Dec 13 01:09:23 <`Mace> me too
Dec 13 01:09:26 <mavhc> it's not a laptop with ssd, because you can throw it around, physically you're not worried about a head crash
Dec 13 01:09:30 <`Mace> works good
Dec 13 01:09:40 <`Mace> want n810 for qwerty
Dec 13 01:10:00 <`Mace> i ha tired of pecking on this thing
Dec 13 01:10:15 <mavhc> oddly the one screen keyboard is faster than the physical keyboard
Dec 13 01:12:39 <b-man> yah, but it has it's advantages.
Dec 13 01:14:14 <mavhc> not using up screen space mainly
Dec 13 01:15:03 <b-man> and you can use Android.
Dec 13 01:27:29 * Stskeeps heads to bed
Dec 13 01:30:16 <Stskeeps> wb b-man, succeeded in getting xchat installed?
Dec 13 01:30:40 <`Mace> lol
Dec 13 01:30:45 <`Mace> This holiday, connect in more places, more often, anywhere XOHM has coverage.
Dec 13 01:30:50 <`Mace> so......
Dec 13 01:30:55 <b-man> yes, in fact, i'm using it right now!
Dec 13 01:30:56 <`Mace> baltimore?
Dec 13 01:31:21 <`Mace> www.xohm.com
Dec 13 01:31:24 <b-man> ?
Dec 13 01:31:31 <`Mace> that cracks me up
Dec 13 01:31:34 <Stskeeps> `Mace: think he's talking about xchat
Dec 13 01:31:48 <`Mace> i know
Dec 13 01:31:51 <Stskeeps> b-man: http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/ btw, some other screenshots of mer
Dec 13 01:32:03 <`Mace> was talking about their web site
Dec 13 01:32:12 <Stskeeps> but now i'm really going to bed
Dec 13 01:32:20 <`Mace> anywhere xohm has coverage
Dec 13 01:32:40 <`Mace> which is ONLY Baltimore =)
Dec 13 01:32:47 <b-man> l love IRC!
Dec 13 01:34:12 <Stskeeps> yet another person turned to the dark side. my daily count has been reached.
Dec 13 01:34:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Dec 13 01:34:53 <b-man> haha!
Dec 13 01:39:26 <b-man> Stskeeps- have you ben working on an installer for mer yet??
Dec 13 01:43:57 <StsN800> b-man, an imager yeah
Dec 13 01:44:31 <StsN800> i'll make a tar.gz of a mer image later saturday
Dec 13 01:44:41 <b-man> thanks!
Dec 13 01:49:12 <r2d2rogers> g'night StsN800
Dec 13 01:49:42 * r2d2rogers goes back to working on getting mer looking pretty on his 770
Dec 13 01:50:19 <b-man> see ya tomorrow stsN800
Dec 13 01:51:31 <b-man> Btw, what time is it in Denmark?
Dec 13 01:51:42 <r2d2rogers> GMT +1
Dec 13 01:52:10 <r2d2rogers> where are you b-man ?
Dec 13 01:52:21 <r2d2rogers> it's about to be 20:00 here
Dec 13 01:52:53 <b-man> i'm in Bowling Green Ohio, united states
Dec 13 01:53:05 <mavhc> http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=what+time+is+it+in+Denmark%3F
Dec 13 01:53:22 <r2d2rogers> lol @ mavhc
Dec 13 01:53:37 <b-man> 8:52 pm here
Dec 13 01:54:12 <r2d2rogers> so you're 6 hours different from Sts
Dec 13 01:54:13 <mavhc> r2d2rogers: aww, don't laugh at me, laugh with me
Dec 13 01:54:19 <r2d2rogers> oops
Dec 13 01:54:26 <r2d2rogers> sorry mavhc
Dec 13 01:54:26 <b-man> yes....
Dec 13 01:54:32 * r2d2rogers laughs with mavhc 
Dec 13 01:55:06 <r2d2rogers> b-man: I'm GMT-6 and you are GMT-5
Dec 13 01:55:29 <b-man> wait... Stskeeps was up at 2:00 am ?!?!
Dec 13 01:55:31 <r2d2rogers> GMT being london
Dec 13 01:55:36 <r2d2rogers> nearly 3
Dec 13 01:55:41 <r2d2rogers> it is friday <G>
Dec 13 01:56:51 * r2d2rogers has a brilliant and installs xev to find out what his keypresses are doing
Dec 13 01:57:45 <b-man> It's also verry, verry cold here, 20 F.
Dec 13 01:58:05 <r2d2rogers> only 43 here in Louisiana
Dec 13 01:58:14 <b-man> your lucky
Dec 13 01:59:23 <b-man> I wish i lived somewhere warm, like california or florda.
Dec 13 02:00:35 <r2d2rogers> I don't get it
Dec 13 02:00:36 <Mousey> i lived in california all my life
Dec 13 02:00:42 <Mousey> it's win
Dec 13 02:00:56 * r2d2rogers start muttering about keycodes
Dec 13 02:04:47 <zetheroo> just in case someone here knows ... how do I download GPS routes on my N95 ?
Dec 13 02:05:11 <mavhc> first install linux on it...
Dec 13 02:05:16 <zetheroo> ha
Dec 13 02:05:32 <zetheroo> you joking right? ...
Dec 13 02:05:51 <mavhc> yes
Dec 13 02:15:53 <b-man> Hay check out my new blog! - http://www.b-manspot.blogspot.com/  - i haven't created any posts yet, it's only a fuew days old.
Dec 13 02:17:06 <`0660> what's the point of checking out a blog that has no posts? :)
Dec 13 02:17:23 <`0660> can you even call it a blog before it has posts?
Dec 13 02:17:28 <mavhc> css porn?
Dec 13 02:18:23 <b-man> just to show what it will look like :)
Dec 13 02:22:30 <b-man> what!?!?, no!        @0660  - shure :p
Dec 13 02:37:50 <disco_stu> something new?
Dec 13 02:39:26 <disco_stu> someone can point me to webkitlib for diablo?
Dec 13 02:43:09 <b-man> wait, what do you mean by (css) porn?
Dec 13 02:43:10 <b-man> never mind- let's get off this subject.
Dec 13 02:51:06 <mavhc> your css may be sexy to some
Dec 13 02:51:40 <GeneralAntilles> Who's good at finding part numbers that don't show up on Google searches? :P
Dec 13 02:52:01 <mavhc> yahoo?
Dec 13 02:52:15 <GeneralAntilles> Nope.
Dec 13 02:55:39 <r2d2rogers> anyone used a bt keyboard with a regular PC that they normally use with their NIT?
Dec 13 02:55:48 <r2d2rogers> Linux desktop prefered?
Dec 13 02:56:45 <GeneralAntilles> BT keyboards are just HID devices
Dec 13 02:56:50 <GeneralAntilles> (non-shitty ones, anyway)
Dec 13 02:57:08 <r2d2rogers> and latest ubuntu does hci by default...
Dec 13 02:57:19 <r2d2rogers> :(
Dec 13 02:57:38 <r2d2rogers> trying that though
Dec 13 02:57:39 <r2d2rogers> thanks
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