**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 31 02:59:58 2008 Dec 31 03:00:17 we need good games.. Dec 31 03:02:16 too bad we don't have OpenGL... Dec 31 03:02:50 what did game designers do before opengl? did games not exist? Dec 31 03:02:58 untill RX51 hardware is available... Dec 31 03:03:18 lol - woops Dec 31 03:03:41 heh Dec 31 03:07:30 i think i'm addicted to my tablet, i've been using it for 5+ hours straight. Dec 31 03:08:20 for the past 2 days.. Dec 31 03:09:59 ruining my eyes... :) Dec 31 03:10:25 ive just got a large format tablet as well as my nokia now Dec 31 03:11:04 lcuk: software renderers. Dec 31 03:11:12 what kind? Dec 31 03:11:41 yes towo Dec 31 03:15:24 lcuk, x86 mini-notebook tablet? Dec 31 03:16:11 no, 12 inch lenovo, pentium m 1.6 (running at powersave 798) Dec 31 03:16:31 its sweet, loads of power and liqbase is wicked on it Dec 31 03:17:06 its sidetracked me somewhat with the future thoughts, and brought me back to coding in the trunk Dec 31 03:17:52 theres talk about the app menu and stuff, and a mockup on the tabletui, i think i can bring that mockup to life Dec 31 03:18:21 ive spent the night following the threads of what the app manager currently uses to build its menus Dec 31 03:19:03 i think i can knock something up that will look cool and work well Dec 31 03:20:25 hmm Dec 31 03:20:44 so it's an x86 mini-notebook tablet, by lenovo Dec 31 03:27:26 pupnik: http://psp.wijou.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=86&st=0 --- provides information about DBS in dosbox, and provides download links for W98/95/3.1 - if your curious. Dec 31 03:28:03 nice Dec 31 03:31:33 just extract it to your mmc, copy over the dosbox.conf file to /usr/share/dosbox and change the E and M drives to mount m /media/mmc2/PSP/GAME/ mount e /media/mmc2/PSP/GAME/DOSBox/ and make autolock=false Dec 31 03:32:23 and extract the images to /PSP/GAMES/DOSbox/ Dec 31 03:37:05 that rocks Dec 31 03:37:31 would you like a much faster dosbox b-man ? Dec 31 03:38:11 shure Dec 31 03:39:10 is rtcomm a replacement for the default 'presence' im application ? Dec 31 03:39:27 me too Dec 31 03:39:39 heh :) Dec 31 03:40:22 theorifice: I think the presence stuff is called galgo Dec 31 03:40:58 sorry galago Dec 31 03:42:05 I'm actually trying to get it working with the facebook plugin for libpurple Dec 31 03:43:25 but I've now managed to install a version of something that borked the msn and aim connections, and it doesnt seem to see the facebook stuff, so I'm going backwards... Dec 31 03:44:04 so, anybody know how I can debug this a little more? ie, I can get a debug window in pidgin, is there such a thing with libpurple? Dec 31 03:46:16 pupnik; windows 98 mirrors: http://gu1337.com/psp-hacks/1298-run-windows-3-1-wiindows95-windows98-your-psp.html Dec 31 04:00:51 arvo. Dec 31 04:01:45 anyone know, can you see dl stats for an extras repo package that doesn't have a garage page? Dec 31 04:01:54 theorifice: heres the specifics on rtcom http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 31 04:28:41 has anyone experienced having the external mmc detected as corrupted on boot but detected fine one removed and inserted (without rebooting) ? Dec 31 04:29:52 nope Dec 31 04:30:06 how do you know its corrupt at boot? Dec 31 04:30:15 It's not. I just get a message that it is. Dec 31 04:30:27 it tells you? Dec 31 04:30:30 on maemo or pc? Dec 31 04:30:38 I don't even have to remove it to have it redetected and automounted. I just need to jiggle the cover Dec 31 04:30:41 on maemo n810 Dec 31 04:31:11 that is weirdd Dec 31 04:31:16 sorry. I assumed that since we're on #maemo that I was talking about maemo .... Dec 31 04:31:26 I'll never do that again geez ... Dec 31 04:31:29 :p Dec 31 04:31:32 no , i didnt know anything would appear at boot Dec 31 04:31:37 its just a GUI ? Dec 31 04:32:07 you get a popup message after maemo has booted, similar to the one that tells you that you've connected to a network, etc. Dec 31 04:32:40 o Dec 31 04:32:52 you sure the partitioning is right on it? Dec 31 04:33:22 yep. Dec 31 04:33:40 well, It's a single vfat partition on the external mmc Dec 31 04:34:04 and again, it's detected fine, once I re-insert it (without rebooting) Dec 31 04:34:41 which cover do you jiggle to make it work? Dec 31 04:34:47 is it me or is battery life much shorter lately? Dec 31 04:34:55 n810, recently updated Dec 31 04:35:02 that external cover. Dec 31 04:35:05 solarion: 43-7 vs 36-5? Dec 31 04:35:18 the battery cover? or the mmc cover Dec 31 04:35:25 There's probably a switch in there that tells maemo that the cover is open. Dec 31 04:35:25 zakkm: what are those numbers? Dec 31 04:35:28 The mmc cover. Dec 31 04:36:06 ya, could be a switch in there, or could be intermittent contact in the socket with the card Dec 31 04:37:23 I also notice that ogg support that I installed seems to no longer be effective. Is this a known problem? Dec 31 04:39:20 zakkm: ah, I grok. Lemme check. Dec 31 04:39:35 do the N8x0 batteries allow us to see their 'health'? charge capacity in mAh? Dec 31 04:39:40 It seems that post-upgrade, it needs recharged every day Dec 31 04:40:01 my battery on n810 has been losing juice faster = but before i upgraded Dec 31 04:40:12 i also left it in the cold for a while Dec 31 04:40:22 23-14 Dec 31 04:41:47 zakkm: am I just way behind the times somehow? Dec 31 04:42:24 oh wow thats old Dec 31 04:42:32 yeahh update Dec 31 04:42:53 zakkm: what in particular needs updating? Dec 31 04:43:21 what determines that version number (displayed in the control panel ("About")) Dec 31 04:43:35 solaris: Diablo Image Dec 31 04:43:45 this should be diablo tmk Dec 31 04:43:47 wait isnt there a update waiting in application manager? Dec 31 04:43:53 it is diablo Dec 31 04:43:55 old diablo though Dec 31 04:43:55 just maemo Dec 31 04:44:03 erm, mediacenter Dec 31 04:44:18 I may have horked something with apt-get, iirc Dec 31 04:44:25 there were a few packages it wanted to autoremove Dec 31 04:44:26 i dont know Dec 31 04:44:30 your using a very old version though ;p Dec 31 04:44:32 i know that much Dec 31 04:45:47 there was some package or packages that I should re-install Dec 31 04:45:58 but I forgot what the packages are/were Dec 31 04:46:22 you use Garnet VM? Dec 31 04:46:29 yes Dec 31 04:46:37 you know any good games for it? :) Dec 31 04:46:46 yeah Dec 31 04:46:46 i waited simcity but apparantly it doesnt exist for palm os? Dec 31 04:46:52 space trader is classic Dec 31 04:46:53 wanted* Dec 31 04:47:10 monopoly sucks my life away Dec 31 04:47:54 i was hoping for like tycoon/ simulation/ strategy Dec 31 04:48:02 or something Dec 31 04:49:21 [23:46:35] i waited simcity but apparantly it doesnt exist for palm os? Dec 31 04:49:22 there's a mercenary game I can't remember Dec 31 04:49:22 it does Dec 31 04:49:25 it was shareware Dec 31 04:49:29 but I'm sure you could steal a serial Dec 31 04:49:40 you remember name? Dec 31 04:49:43 anyone know what the packages that want to be autoremoved are? Dec 31 04:50:07 zakkm: Sim City Dec 31 04:50:09 solarion just do apt-get .. and it would tell you Dec 31 04:50:10 it was from maxis Dec 31 04:50:25 theres no palm os version? Dec 31 04:50:28 this was Dec 31 04:50:37 ? Dec 31 04:50:39 what was name Dec 31 04:50:41 it came from them, and also on the 'games' SD card that palm sold Dec 31 04:50:45 it was called Sim City Dec 31 04:50:54 it was an official port, as far as I remember Dec 31 04:51:10 ahh simcity classic Dec 31 04:51:16 ahh its black and white Dec 31 04:51:16 Yeah Dec 31 04:51:19 nope Dec 31 04:51:20 color version Dec 31 04:51:23 somewhere Dec 31 04:52:30 hes retarded, AND sheltered. Dec 31 04:52:40 ? Dec 31 04:56:01 wrong window Dec 31 04:56:24 zakkm: It was a while ago; the packages are already gone. Dec 31 05:04:20 rootsh apt-get install osso-software-vesion-rx44-unlocked was the package I was thiknking of Dec 31 05:06:13 hmm Still not showing any updates Dec 31 05:06:32 maybe you have to reflash? Dec 31 05:06:55 probably. Don't know how to trigger that, though Dec 31 05:07:44 ah, now it's claiming 43-7 Dec 31 05:08:10 maybe version is on reload. I didn't see anything that looked like a flashing Dec 31 07:26:17 moo all Dec 31 07:35:11 anyone know why maemo wont let me delete the virtual memory/ swap Dec 31 07:39:01 because it is being used? Dec 31 07:45:11 oh uh Dec 31 07:45:20 should i use fat16 or fat32? Dec 31 07:46:22 zakkm: you should use ext2 Dec 31 07:46:25 :P Dec 31 07:46:33 for external sd? Dec 31 07:46:50 fat32 is fine for external sd Dec 31 07:47:40 its 5am here Dec 31 07:47:46 its 2;47am here Dec 31 07:47:51 i'll better stop coding and go to sleep Dec 31 07:48:09 see you tomorrow zakkm , happy new year if i dont see ya Dec 31 07:48:16 you too Dec 31 07:48:21 :) Dec 31 07:48:25 good night Dec 31 07:49:52 good night Dec 31 08:14:05 qwERTY Dec 31 08:14:22 rsT38H Dec 31 08:14:26 uiop Dec 31 08:15:19 Terrible truth is out: http://www.securitylab.ru/upload/iblock/30a/30a6901177b3113e84a7cce560874aa0.jpg Dec 31 08:15:51 what, that Ronald is really a woman? Dec 31 08:17:55 And a cannibal. Dec 31 08:18:25 ... You thought she was human? Dec 31 08:58:43 hmm ... just trying out rtcomm now. It's definitely better integrated than pidgin .... Dec 31 09:01:19 ll Dec 31 09:01:26 but pidgin actually works for me and rtcomm stuff doesn't Dec 31 09:01:42 what have you had trouble with? Dec 31 09:02:20 pidgin supports encryption *nodnod* Dec 31 09:02:36 johnx, rtcomm works for me fine :/. less features but the interface is so much better Dec 31 09:02:41 Ive always loved pidgin and the only reason im moving away from it now is because it appears to eat my battery life Dec 31 09:02:49 Except for the contacts program nokia included Dec 31 09:05:40 /msg theorifice hah Dec 31 09:05:44 Hmmm Dec 31 09:06:07 I guess that does not work ... Dec 31 09:06:29 You need to be identified to services iirc to /msg Dec 31 09:06:52 johnx Dec 31 09:07:03 * RST38h also prefers pidgin Dec 31 09:07:07 Im pretty sure i registered this nick and identified on lpogin Dec 31 09:07:13 *Login Dec 31 09:07:17 And I like pidgin ui better Dec 31 09:07:47 Does anyone else find pidgin eats battery life? Dec 31 09:09:44 Looks like pm only works through the menu: chat - new Dec 31 09:11:16 back for real in an hour :P Dec 31 09:13:00 hmmm adding a channel (i.e. #maemo) as a buddy to an irc account appears to crash rtcomm Dec 31 09:13:23 probably tries to add all the people in the channel... Dec 31 09:13:30 rtcomm sucks for irc though, xchat ftw Dec 31 09:15:01 and apparently there are zero bugs for rtcomm at bugs.maemo.org .... Dec 31 09:15:08 Ok, I'm about done with rtcomm. Dec 31 09:15:42 oriifice: netierh rtcomm norpidgin are good irc clients Dec 31 09:15:45 neither Dec 31 09:15:56 I've found pidgin to be usable. Dec 31 09:16:03 install xchat and forget about those two for irc Dec 31 09:16:10 Barely (it does not crash) Dec 31 09:35:49 From: horrorcommunityhospital.com Dec 31 09:35:59 (and it is another link exchange site) Dec 31 09:42:04 geezus c. Dec 31 09:42:12 i got a microSDHC instead of a miniSDHC Dec 31 09:42:57 now i need an adapter from micro->mini Dec 31 09:53:32 $3 Dec 31 09:53:41 and you will get an extra 1GB card Dec 31 09:54:30 Citing "three independent sources close to Apple," one who has "actually held the device," TechCrunch says Apple is planning to release a giant iPod touch device with a seven- or nine-inch screen next fall. Dec 31 09:54:49 Be afraid. Dec 31 09:54:58 ... Dec 31 09:55:06 9 inch screen... Dec 31 09:55:08 so its like Dec 31 09:55:11 ______________________________________________________ Dec 31 09:55:12 ______________________________________________________ Dec 31 09:55:13 ? Dec 31 09:55:29 doesnt fit well in a pocket? Dec 31 09:55:35 fits well in my pants Dec 31 09:55:46 I think they're going for the UMPC market Dec 31 09:55:54 probably Dec 31 09:56:04 or lightweight tablet market, really Dec 31 09:56:12 isn't that what a UMPC is? Dec 31 09:56:18 depends Dec 31 09:56:22 an expensive, underpowered, lightweight tablet? Dec 31 09:56:40 I mean, if its apple, it will be a pretty, expensive, underpowered, lightweight tablet Dec 31 09:56:44 true Dec 31 09:57:37 still, if it was a simple slate tablet, i could consider it as part of my desk/whatever Dec 31 09:57:56 except it will be good for nothing but music Dec 31 09:58:00 web browsing will be slow Dec 31 09:58:05 everything else will be slow Dec 31 09:58:07 it will crash Dec 31 09:58:11 just like the fscking touch :( Dec 31 09:58:37 true Dec 31 09:58:57 Hi all, I've got a problem with osso_initialization Dec 31 09:59:16 A 9" iPodwill be aimed squarely at the tablet market Dec 31 09:59:19 reflash Dec 31 09:59:20 Same as NIT Dec 31 09:59:24 wait, what? Dec 31 09:59:32 RST: Yeah, but 9" doesn't fit in my pocket Dec 31 09:59:46 Vulcanis: that is diagonal size, not thickness Dec 31 09:59:54 I know Dec 31 10:00:12 It will fit into your backpack too Dec 31 10:00:38 if its going in my backpack, something that closes, so it doesn't get scratched to hell by everything else, is preferred Dec 31 10:00:40 I launch my app from menu, and it just stayed for serveral seconds Dec 31 10:00:42 esp. if it has a keyboard Dec 31 10:01:06 screensize is 3.5in for the touch, I thought? Dec 31 10:01:08 diag Dec 31 10:01:35 Apple does not care if you scratch it after paying them the money Dec 31 10:01:52 yes Dec 31 10:01:53 but I do Dec 31 10:02:01 which is why I would not buy it to shove in my fscking backpack Dec 31 10:02:07 but art students might, I guess Dec 31 10:02:09 You won't Dec 31 10:02:24 But a gazillion of world metrosexuals will. Dec 31 10:02:36 And that is all that matters really Dec 31 10:02:39 see! I told you, its not going to be the type of screen we think Dec 31 10:02:43 its going to be long and thin Dec 31 10:02:45 _______________ Dec 31 10:02:49 _______________ Dec 31 10:02:56 so they can look like men after they shove it down their pants Dec 31 10:02:59 It will be 16:9. Your next question? Dec 31 10:03:31 If you want the exact dimensions, solve this system of equations: Dec 31 10:06:54 w/h = 16/9 Dec 31 10:07:09 w^2 + h^2 = 81 Dec 31 10:26:50 ~seen johnx Dec 31 10:26:51 johnx was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 15m 34s ago, saying: 'back for real in an hour :P'. Dec 31 10:30:18 Haha, wicked. zenmap has an hildon interface, I need to put out working packages soon :) Dec 31 10:33:04 the outside world is a terrible cold place O_o Dec 31 10:33:30 you're late Dec 31 10:33:39 [05:26:54] johnx was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 15m 34s ago, saying: 'back for real in an hour :P'. Dec 31 10:33:40 fashionably late Dec 31 10:35:03 hey RST38h :D Dec 31 10:45:07 hey johnx Dec 31 10:45:10 had a good xmas? Dec 31 10:45:15 ahaha Dec 31 10:45:55 not so much. but I'm good now Dec 31 10:46:30 *nod* Dec 31 10:46:43 http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.4.tar.gz btw Dec 31 10:46:50 repository is down until i go and restart it .. :P Dec 31 10:47:11 (boots into hildon without rescue menu needed, wifi drivers OK) Dec 31 10:47:14 fsck bug fixed Dec 31 11:28:38 X-Fade: what time were you proposing the sprint meeting for? 1900 or 2000 UTC? Dec 31 12:14:33 http://pastie.org/349618 Dec 31 12:16:51 alterego: nice Dec 31 12:17:03 What's the performance of Ruby like? Dec 31 12:17:15 Yeah, I think it's a little more friendly than the Python loader :) Dec 31 12:17:33 It's comparable to Python. Dec 31 12:17:36 * Jaffa is still searching for the perfect dev environment for Maemo. It's probably somewhere between Java, Vala, Python and (now) Ruby Dec 31 12:17:45 Hah Dec 31 12:17:46 alterego: you got anything like the python-launcher yet? Dec 31 12:18:03 No, that is next on my list. Dec 31 12:18:09 cool Dec 31 12:32:23 back Dec 31 12:32:58 so when's the snow gonna hit you guys? Dec 31 12:33:33 saturday Dec 31 12:33:40 our most snowy periods are really in feb-mar-april Dec 31 12:34:15 wow. into april? Dec 31 12:34:24 I wonder if I'll even see snow this year Dec 31 12:34:49 its moist and cold enough there i guess Dec 31 12:34:59 nah, not cold enough Dec 31 12:35:05 10C+ so far Dec 31 12:35:15 errr...wait, that's not right. Dec 31 12:35:27 * johnx still thinks in fahrenheit Dec 31 12:35:52 ah, well nevermind, down to 1C by friday Dec 31 12:35:54 hmm Dec 31 12:35:56 hehe Dec 31 12:36:02 * Stskeeps runs the import packages script Dec 31 12:36:25 awesome. I'll grab that new image and unpack it Dec 31 12:36:47 * qwerty12_N800 hopes his hacks to xchat source to build in sb work on your builder :) Dec 31 12:39:21 * johnx sighs contentedly. beer+chips+real computer+hacking = relaxing christmas eve Dec 31 12:39:29 s/christmas/new year's/ Dec 31 12:39:41 <- fails Dec 31 12:44:41 * Stskeeps rebuilds him Dec 31 12:44:46 * alterego contemplates what to do now. Dec 31 12:45:06 Jaffa, python isn't fast enough, ruby is rudimentary-ishly useless, vala is a joke, and java lacks decent support Dec 31 12:45:12 I can continue making the packaging better, improve the plugin loader, write documentation or write examples. Dec 31 12:45:43 O_o Dec 31 12:46:11 crashanddie: did openjdk work better under debian on tablets? what is the big issue about openjdk on tablet anyway? :P Dec 31 12:46:12 Ruby is useless? Dec 31 12:46:19 So I've wasted all this time for nothing?! Dec 31 12:46:24 * alterego weeps. Dec 31 12:46:32 hate when that happens, eh :P Dec 31 12:46:38 C++ is so slow during compilation (on the device) that it's ridiculous, only C is a decent competitor :P Dec 31 12:46:53 you dont want to compile on device Dec 31 12:47:15 * alterego remote compiles on a server and scp's to device. Dec 31 12:47:16 say that to lcuk :P Dec 31 12:47:21 That's cloud computing for you :D Dec 31 12:47:23 Stskeeps, definitely not with c++ :) Dec 31 12:47:42 alterego: i got convinced after waiting for gtk to compile.. Dec 31 12:47:45 alterego, not an option without connectivity Dec 31 12:47:59 gtk is plain C, not C++ Dec 31 12:48:01 :P Dec 31 12:48:02 c++ soaked up the rest of 1GB of RAM and 512MB of swap on my desktop and triggered the OOM killer Dec 31 12:48:11 ...when compiling qt 4.5 Dec 31 12:48:22 yeah Dec 31 12:48:24 * Stskeeps has problems getting gconf2-6 going Dec 31 12:48:30 but that's because there's a loophole johnx Dec 31 12:48:32 on sdk Dec 31 12:48:57 while [ $USER -eq "johnx" ] memplusplus; Dec 31 12:49:12 do done!! Dec 31 12:49:14 Where's solmumaha I want to show him how easy it is to write Ruby home plugins now. Dec 31 12:49:18 heh...does that install more RAM to my machine? Dec 31 12:49:21 aaaawesome Dec 31 12:49:33 johnx, nope, just uses one meg at each iteration Dec 31 12:49:39 don't know mempluplus? Insane app ;) Dec 31 12:50:33 anyway, I'm out, take care, have a good one tonight everyone Dec 31 12:50:35 Hmm, BRB Dec 31 12:50:52 bye crashanddie Dec 31 12:50:56 'night crashanddie. Dec 31 12:52:22 can anyone explain to me why the bloody hell nokia has a libgconf2-6 instead of libconf2-4? :P Dec 31 12:52:25 oh, sad. the thread titled "viewing websites is painful" isn't actually talking about physical discomfort :( Dec 31 12:52:42 err...hmm Dec 31 12:52:46 Hah Dec 31 12:52:58 Yes, I find that too. Especially when laying in bed. Dec 31 12:53:04 crashanddie, if you catch this, you may find http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=220028#post220028 useful. but stop being a lazy bastard & setup sbox :p Dec 31 12:53:31 Stskeeps: note that the gconf N uses is based on dbus, while the common one uses corba Dec 31 12:54:07 alterego, I was hoping for: "when I view websites my tablet stabs a small syringe into my hand. is this normal?" Dec 31 12:54:24 johnx: :) Dec 31 12:54:36 Yes, my problem is posture :) Dec 31 12:54:51 johnx, Nokia has a Heroin tablet? Dec 31 12:55:08 I imagine that'd be a strong seller Dec 31 12:55:33 WolfSage, yeah, free trial included. ask your local dealer :D Dec 31 12:55:39 Sweet Dec 31 12:55:55 "Nokia. the first one's always free." Dec 31 12:56:02 suihkulokki: ah. that explains it Dec 31 12:56:04 Hahah Dec 31 12:56:11 suihkulokki: thanks for that tidbit :) Dec 31 12:56:24 "Nokia. Hooked. For life." Dec 31 12:56:28 johnx: the tablets do have a addictive property.. Dec 31 12:56:34 alterego, yeah, I prefer reading in bed with fbreader set to 90degree rotation Dec 31 12:56:37 i'm astonished my gf hasn't thrown mine into the wall yet Dec 31 12:56:45 Lol, that bad Sts? Dec 31 12:56:54 .. then again, she has quite a bad "the west wing" addiction Dec 31 12:57:00 heh. I'm lucky. my wife enjoys watching hacking as a spectator sport :D Dec 31 12:57:01 Heh Dec 31 12:57:10 That is lucky. Dec 31 12:57:16 just as long as she gets to heckle me :P Dec 31 12:58:15 "no, you fool, nmap -sS!" Dec 31 12:58:18 I just can't picture it... Dec 31 12:58:21 Hah Dec 31 12:59:16 I think she just enjoys my frustration and cursing when I mess up Dec 31 12:59:26 really, I don't get it either. I just know I'm keeping her :) Dec 31 13:00:01 Hehehe, good call Dec 31 13:02:03 i was sold after my gf suggested we should have surround sound in our new apartment Dec 31 13:02:06 :P Dec 31 13:02:14 Hell yeah :D Dec 31 13:02:27 "oh i saw this thing in the commercials.." Dec 31 13:02:37 I have a tiny bedroom and I hooked it up with speakers on the walls in each corner and a sub in the center under the TV Dec 31 13:02:48 's like being in a theatre Dec 31 13:03:27 lulz. I can't even figure out where on my floor speakers would go Dec 31 13:03:38 I guess I could hang them from the wall or something, but I'm renting :/ Dec 31 13:04:21 I'm renting a room in a house of a friend right now, as long as I fix it when I'm done, she basically is letting me do what I want with it Dec 31 13:04:41 * johnx can't be bothered to put in the effort Dec 31 13:04:41 Wasn't in there a week and I was screwing shelves into the walls for the speakers... Dec 31 13:05:13 the people doing these dorms came up with the solution of wooden bars nearby the roof, so they can easily replace those, and allow people to drill into it and stuff Dec 31 13:05:46 ahaha...so that was what those things were in college O_o Dec 31 13:05:46 Nice Dec 31 13:10:59 anyone here speak fr-CA ? Dec 31 13:11:04 (or sympathize with those who do) Dec 31 13:11:25 Hah Dec 31 13:11:41 I have a fiend who speaks a little. but I think his primary language is en-CA Dec 31 13:11:54 he'll do Dec 31 13:12:01 supposing he buys a device in Quebec Dec 31 13:12:06 ok. should I hand him my n800? Dec 31 13:12:08 and configures it to fr-CA Dec 31 13:12:22 and supposing the device can automatically setup a secondary keyboard layout Dec 31 13:12:28 (in addition to the primary fr-CA) Dec 31 13:12:35 should it be: Dec 31 13:12:36 it-IT Dec 31 13:12:41 es-ES Dec 31 13:12:52 pt-BR Dec 31 13:12:56 en-GB Dec 31 13:12:58 en-US Dec 31 13:13:00 ru-RU Dec 31 13:13:04 .. Dec 31 13:13:11 obviously only two of those might make sense Dec 31 13:13:14 for him? jp-JP Dec 31 13:13:20 but try to pretend i'm not biased Dec 31 13:13:22 johnx: bah Dec 31 13:13:27 for his average neighbors Dec 31 13:13:33 like me? Dec 31 13:13:35 jp-JP Dec 31 13:13:36 the question is what would a reasonable expectation be Dec 31 13:13:42 .... grr Dec 31 13:13:49 if you were in Quebec Dec 31 13:13:53 and you saw someone buying a device Dec 31 13:13:58 and the someone was from Quebec Dec 31 13:14:08 and didn't speak jp or anything similarly "interesting" Dec 31 13:14:20 which secondary layout should it pick? Dec 31 13:14:22 yar, en-CA and fr-CA seem to make the most sense unless I'm missing something subtle Dec 31 13:14:24 en-us Dec 31 13:14:37 is there an en-CA? Dec 31 13:15:19 no Dec 31 13:15:26 your only choices are en-US and en-GB Dec 31 13:15:33 if there was an en-CA, i wouldn't be asking :) Dec 31 13:15:36 that's a good one. I'll ask him tomorrow Dec 31 13:16:08 I'd be tempted to say en-GB though Dec 31 13:16:23 You think they'd be more familiar with en-GB than en-US? Dec 31 13:16:38 keep in mind, this is keylayout Dec 31 13:16:44 not ui text Dec 31 13:16:45 True. Dec 31 13:16:53 i'm not saying which is the right answer Dec 31 13:16:55 i honestly don't know Dec 31 13:17:03 but i suspect that just guessing wrong Dec 31 13:17:10 aaah Dec 31 13:17:27 I'd say en-us, because of their proximity to the US... but that may not be a good enough reason Dec 31 13:17:31 s/wrong/is wrong/ Dec 31 13:17:31 keylayout, right...tough, but guess in that case en-US Dec 31 13:17:31 timeless meant: but i suspect that just guessing is wrong Dec 31 13:17:53 yeah, that's my barely educated guess Dec 31 13:18:06 note that i have no idea what the distinctions are between the two layouts Dec 31 13:18:09 he's never bitched about his US qwerty laptop Dec 31 13:18:18 most likely they're approximately the ones you'd see in your n800 Dec 31 13:18:28 you're welcome to actually give him the n800 to confirm Dec 31 13:19:01 ok, my wireless AP was stolen from my old dorm.. 3 months later, it calls back from my friggen hometown Dec 31 13:19:08 in terms of physical fullsize keyboards en-US and en-GB have a couple really odd little differences Dec 31 13:19:12 i so feel like going with a bat.. Dec 31 13:19:37 it took 3 months for them to set it up? Dec 31 13:19:41 seems so Dec 31 13:19:44 O_o Dec 31 13:19:50 they sound dumb enough to be dangerous Dec 31 13:20:04 it called back on 2nd of dec though, and i couldn't ssh to it, sadly Dec 31 13:20:16 (as in, it's not active right now) Dec 31 13:20:31 ah, sad Dec 31 13:20:52 pondering to set up a trap though Dec 31 13:21:22 Calls back? Was that the intended purpose of whatever you set up to do that? Dec 31 13:21:53 yes, it was intentionally set up like that Dec 31 13:22:18 it did dyndns and it calls a web server for initialization commands :P Dec 31 13:22:48 ah, but not intentionally setup to catch potential thieves, right? Dec 31 13:23:58 not intentionally, but the new ap i set up has :P Dec 31 13:24:32 I mean, was that the intended purpose of the application as you used it ;) Dec 31 13:24:34 Neat though Dec 31 13:24:47 so..."go over there with a bat"...you got an address out of it? Dec 31 13:25:19 You can barely get within 15k of my place by the IP I'm pretty sure Dec 31 13:25:26 km that is... Dec 31 13:25:42 Good enough for a nuke! Dec 31 13:25:58 it's *his own* hometown :P Dec 31 13:27:39 Sometime sacrifices must be made. Dec 31 13:28:14 I want to see mer final first though :p Dec 31 13:28:52 a dead man's switch that eventually runs on an imaging reversing/blurring proxy seems like about the right level of annoyance for a stolen $50 AP Dec 31 13:29:26 johnx: was a 100$ ap in this case, so im kinda annoyed :P Dec 31 13:29:37 johnx: i got an IP out of it, and the definate area of the IP.. my brother used to live there Dec 31 13:30:01 Stskeeps, if you can ssh into it, play with the iptables rules so it redirects the thief to goatse Dec 31 13:30:17 qwerty12_N800: sadly i can't ssh into it right now, don't think it's active Dec 31 13:30:23 Sts, send me a plane ticket, I own a few bats, and I can possibly get out of the country before anyone finds out ;) Dec 31 13:30:35 Stskeeps, damn :( Dec 31 13:30:38 qwerty12_N800, so which is better? every image on every page replaced with goatse? or every 10th image? Dec 31 13:30:58 Stskeeps, if it comes up, I suppose you can SSH in, get the MAC, then drive around with a laptop and locate it? Dec 31 13:31:43 dont use goatse, use a nice big red "Heylp, Heylp I has been catnapped" Dec 31 13:31:50 if it was setup with WPA I bet they haven't even got a computer connected to it. that's probably why they unplugged it and either 1) reflashed it or 2) sold it/pawned it Dec 31 13:32:18 johnx, i'm thinking http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html :) Dec 31 13:32:19 lcuk, people leeching inet get da cat. people stealing APs get the goat :P Dec 31 13:32:36 qwerty12_N800, I don't want to click on that, do I? Dec 31 13:32:50 I dunno, I'd just proxy everything through my own server and get all their info Dec 31 13:32:52 Then destroy them. Dec 31 13:33:03 johnx, it's fine, you have my word (if you trust it :)) Dec 31 13:33:13 hahahaha qwerty Dec 31 13:33:22 qwerty12_N800, ah yeah. that's the one I was thinking of Dec 31 13:33:35 johnx, its fine Dec 31 13:35:57 Shame my new router sucks, with my old one, i could exec iptables :D Dec 31 13:36:15 mmm...wrt54g w/ tomato firmware Dec 31 13:36:48 lulz...up since the last time my wife knocked out the power :) Dec 31 13:37:29 Huh, never tried Tomato, would you recommend it? Dec 31 13:37:40 yes. so much yes. really slick web interface Dec 31 13:37:49 and fast and stable Dec 31 13:38:02 No wrt supports my old one but netgear let you make your own images + a toolchain is available for it :). It took me a week but i got snmpd with integration in the web interface :) Dec 31 13:38:27 huh...wonder why it's not supported by openwrt or similar Dec 31 13:38:44 I may have to try that then. Dec 31 13:39:06 I don't really have any complaints with linksys' firmware... minus the AP going down in the middle of my gaming sessions lately... Dec 31 13:39:17 johnx, don't think there is support for the broadcomm chip it uses :/ Dec 31 13:39:53 hmm...hasn't stopped openwrt on the wrt54g/gl. I think they're stuck on 2.4 Dec 31 13:40:06 they might not want to pick up any more lost causes though and I wouldn't blame them Dec 31 13:40:51 lost causes? Dec 31 13:41:00 yeah, if i really need something done, I just compile it myself and get to hacking on qwerty12.cgi :) Dec 31 13:41:43 ShadowJK, lost causes: 1) trying to run a modern distro on 2.4 or 2) trying to reverse engineer close drivers and make new ones for 2.6 Dec 31 13:42:02 ah Dec 31 13:42:31 I didn't know it needed binary drivers Dec 31 13:42:32 Ahhh, doesn't look like tomato will work with my WRT300N =\ Dec 31 13:42:48 Tomato is so much better than ddwrt. For a variety of technical and political reasons. ;) Dec 31 13:42:49 Option 1) is a good way to go insane. And option 2) is a good way to spend a couple years of weekends Dec 31 13:48:30 heh, openwrt webpage claims the wireless is supported now Dec 31 13:49:04 wireless? who'd 'ave thought it? Dec 31 14:00:29 should I take pride in beating a 6 year old at "cars" racing :D Dec 31 14:00:59 ahaha...yes Dec 31 14:01:15 but if you do, he won't sleep until he's good enough to beat you Dec 31 14:01:29 no, he just cried and turned off the wii \@/ Dec 31 14:01:40 ah sad :( Dec 31 14:01:46 where's that fighting spirit? Dec 31 14:01:50 not really hes a grump for no good reason Dec 31 14:02:17 he'll be back later practicing though I bet :) Dec 31 14:02:24 he is already Dec 31 14:03:02 momentary lapse for him, hes racing a more worthy challenger now (tracy) Dec 31 14:03:02 ahahaha Dec 31 14:03:56 hows your xmas gone so far john, did you get mega drunk and pass out in a gutter somewhere Dec 31 14:04:16 ahahah...I didn't have the best christmas ever. but I'm making up for it Dec 31 14:04:24 good good Dec 31 14:04:44 you shouldv dressed up as santa and terrorized the locals Dec 31 14:08:09 that's what he meant by "didn't have the best xmas ever", he got nicked by the army whilst trying to steal a policecar for the 52nd time Dec 31 14:09:43 crashanddie, taken in by the foreign legion Dec 31 14:10:07 heh...I'd rather steal a taxi here than a police car Dec 31 14:10:31 any high speed chase is doomed to fail with those FWD eco-boxes Dec 31 14:10:38 lol Dec 31 14:10:49 you're better off stealing a car from a 20yo in a dark alley Dec 31 14:12:04 20yo here don't even own cars except maybe in the country Dec 31 14:12:24 so the fast and furious was a liiiiiiiiiiiie??? Dec 31 14:13:53 ah, no of course not. and I highly recommend that you come over here and drive like that. :) Dec 31 14:14:14 Just tell me in advance so I can video tape it :D Dec 31 14:14:28 I might actually come over before the year is oer Dec 31 14:14:29 over** Dec 31 14:14:33 well Dec 31 14:14:36 2009 that is Dec 31 14:15:32 anyway, off again Dec 31 14:15:43 fun fun. if you're in the tokyo area before april. look me up :) Dec 31 14:16:53 johnx, will do Dec 31 14:30:11 * Stskeeps sends off an abuse email with no hope of it being answered. Dec 31 14:30:30 cu chaps, have a nice New Year's Eve Dec 31 14:30:35 see you next year :) Dec 31 14:39:58 Nice. I've setup a ftp server on my n800 and I'm transferring content to it not at 400 KB/s. Dec 31 14:40:20 pretty decent. Has anyone tested what's the theoretical throughput of n800/n810? Dec 31 14:40:40 i think i've seen it at maybe a mb, but not sure Dec 31 14:40:47 and I wonder if it depends on wireless encryption Dec 31 14:41:00 yeah, it isn't likely to be accelerated is it? Dec 31 14:41:06 probably true johnx Dec 31 14:41:35 could swear I've seen it just about as fast over scp/sftp Dec 31 14:41:39 * konttori has no clue whether it's the processor or some dsp doing the decryption/encrption of wlan traffic Dec 31 14:43:00 unless lardman has been mucking about I'd bet it's on the CPU :) Dec 31 14:45:07 Hmm... anyway, I'm wondering on whether I should publish the ftp server. I know all devs us scp, but the rest of people are probably using usb connection to transfer all files. Dec 31 14:45:44 johnx: do you think it would be worth it? Dec 31 14:46:04 I think solmumaha has posted proftpd somewhere Dec 31 14:46:34 konttori, I have no idea. :) that's why I said "I wonder if ..." Dec 31 14:46:38 I was checking from maemo.org, but didn't find any Dec 31 14:46:44 I'm interested, but it's fast enough for me Dec 31 14:48:13 I'll be going (naturally) to a new years ball soonish, but I'll write up some UI to the server tomorrow and then publish it (you know, like setting username / pass, setting read or readwrite access, and telling user the IP of the device (again, most people probably don't know that) Dec 31 14:49:06 it's nice to have it all in one place Dec 31 14:49:14 johnx: new hildon-desktop-env and him up Dec 31 14:49:17 ever since I installed avahi-daemon, i've kissed goodbye to remembering my N800's ip :) Dec 31 14:49:17 any time I avoid the terminal on the n800 is a happy time Dec 31 14:49:29 the gui sounds cool Dec 31 14:49:38 Stskeeps, awesome, will get moving on that stuff...maybe after midnight :) Dec 31 14:49:44 hehe Dec 31 14:50:04 hey, anyone want to know what 2009 is like? I can get you guys a sneak peak :D Dec 31 14:50:12 Any brighter? Dec 31 14:50:22 it's "sleepy hollow" foggy outside right now Dec 31 14:50:31 Snowing here Dec 31 14:50:41 brighter...it's uh...midnight Dec 31 14:50:43 yesterday both my home ISP and my mobile ISP was down. that freaked me out. Dec 31 14:50:54 qwerty12_N800: ah, true. avahi rocks Dec 31 14:51:00 heh...and people's zunes are dying en masse Dec 31 14:51:08 lemmings? Dec 31 14:51:32 johnx, not what I meant =P Dec 31 14:51:42 qwerty12_N800, ah, for that I stick with static DHCP :) Dec 31 14:51:59 back in 10, after midnight :) Dec 31 14:52:14 johnx, on my old router I had static ip's set... Dec 31 14:52:20 konttori: what throughput do you get with ftp? Dec 31 14:52:26 roughly Dec 31 14:52:30 409 KB/s Dec 31 14:53:04 johnx, sorry for running, more tantrums (little one is so over tired today, ive told him he can sleep for a whole year soon) Dec 31 14:53:11 hiya konttori Dec 31 14:53:14 hi Dec 31 14:53:23 good xmas? Dec 31 14:53:30 oh i thought you were *not* getting 400kb/s.. nm Dec 31 14:54:39 lcuk: I did, how about you? Dec 31 14:54:48 I still have 2 weeks of vacation. sweet. Dec 31 14:55:33 jammy git! had a great time trying with family n stuff, thought about a lot of code Dec 31 15:02:24 woowoo! happy new years to anyone in JST! Dec 31 15:03:39 happy new year johnx! hope this ones good for you Dec 31 15:03:57 yeah, counting on some better luck :D Dec 31 15:04:25 happy new year :) Dec 31 15:04:30 thanks :D Dec 31 15:04:43 * johnx cracks open another beer and looks at the new mer stuffs :D Dec 31 15:04:55 /who *.jp lists a lot :D Dec 31 15:05:32 * konttori loves flex: http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/media/flexapp/ Dec 31 15:08:11 oooh konttori Dec 31 15:09:31 konttori: I'm of the opinion that binary browserplugins are mostly bad. Dec 31 15:11:29 Veggen: idea behind flex is that you can also build apps with it. Dec 31 15:11:50 Looks perfect for writing video playing apps *cough* Dec 31 15:11:59 and flex is 100% opensource Dec 31 15:12:01 veggen, what if it was a binary runtime without the browser? Dec 31 15:12:33 and also, the idea is of course that the apps run the same on windows, osx and linux. Dec 31 15:12:47 lcuk: as I said - most cases :) There are exceptions, and browser plugins - open ones, that is - are often a good alternative to binary runtimes. Dec 31 15:13:05 what if you want something *like* coverslow, but not quite the same, im sure its not quite as simple to breakdown and modify Dec 31 15:13:15 konttori: it's open source? Dec 31 15:13:27 Jaffa: yeah Dec 31 15:13:43 http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/?promoid=BPDEQ Dec 31 15:13:43 heh @ freudian, i meant "coverflow" Dec 31 15:14:14 Linux/mac/Windows are not much better than just Mac/Windows. I'm not satisfied with just getting the closed stuff for Linux too. Dec 31 15:14:26 * konttori is planning - you see - to also slightly check out other dev envs on this vacation period. Dec 31 15:14:43 good for you konttori :) thats exactly what ive been doing Dec 31 15:15:40 * lcuk does anyone have any experience with opengl and lines by the way, theres an inbuilt limitation in clutter which means i cannot draw anything Dec 31 15:16:02 Yes. Dec 31 15:16:24 oooh Dec 31 15:17:07 derf, thats very good to know, over the next few days could i bend your ear about a few matters and possibly tease a few examples from you Dec 31 15:17:15 because my googling came up lacking Dec 31 15:17:17 Sure, if I'm here. Dec 31 15:17:59 theres also an opengl in gtk library somewhere which gives a direct opengl surface within a standard gtk widget Dec 31 15:18:18 i half spotted something when i was talking to pippin the other day Dec 31 15:18:32 gtkglext Dec 31 15:18:57 thats the one :D, thanks derf Dec 31 15:19:25 now i wonder whether those will be compatible to drop in m5, i should be able to test with the pre-alpha kit shouldnt i Dec 31 15:19:54 Gekk if I know :). Dec 31 15:20:20 its worth a look anyway, if i can get really really fast line drawing by using gl then im 90% of the way there Dec 31 15:20:30 gtkglext isn't using anything more than the glx extensions for X11. Dec 31 15:20:40 I don't actually know if OpenGL ES provides those in a normal manner. Dec 31 15:20:58 yeah ill find out Dec 31 15:21:33 thats something that can be worked round though, as long as the GL used is minimal and simplistic its not unrealistic to allow targeting to both libraries Dec 31 15:22:56 lcuk: you might also be able to check out the qgraphicsview as that does have opengl accelerated rendering of pretty much the same stuff cairo has. Dec 31 15:23:32 The answer, apparently, is no. Dec 31 15:23:56 but the performance in cairo on 8x0 isnt up to snuff. its the same problem im finding with any variation in library im trying. time and again liqbase routines beat the pants of things Dec 31 15:24:06 It uses something called EGL instead of GLX. Dec 31 15:24:16 ooooer Dec 31 15:24:20 thats not good Dec 31 15:24:37 do we think mplayer will run on the new device? Dec 31 15:25:05 ie another native xv drawing application Dec 31 15:27:05 if someone doesn't implement xv, whether it's the pandora guys or the beagle guys or the Nokia guys I will leave IRC and cry in the corner of my apt O_o Dec 31 15:27:16 you can count on having a decently fast xv implementation Dec 31 15:29:16 and if things like autorotation or some funky ogl app switcher is needed it can be done in the same way it currently is in linux main. ie automatic offscreen rendering and texturization and blitting wherever by the OS Dec 31 15:29:58 yeah, I'm really eager to see whether they're really planning to composite the whole GUI Dec 31 15:30:06 nah. midway. Dec 31 15:30:09 MIDAS/gstreamer'll need xv, won't it? Dec 31 15:30:13 sec Dec 31 15:31:02 well theres a lot of apps which will write to xv, theres simply no benefit in media codecs decoding movie to YUV, then converting to RGB for display by clutter, then rendering to the screen Dec 31 15:31:13 your battery would drop like nobodies business Dec 31 15:31:30 johnx: it'll do window manager, task launcher, task switcher, home view, status menu/area, desktop notifications Dec 31 15:31:41 basically replacing matchbox (with mb2) and replacing hildon-desktop Dec 31 15:31:49 that's the clutter part Dec 31 15:32:07 Stskeeps: you seen some packages for it already? Dec 31 15:32:25 Jaffa: not yet, but this is on fremantle maemo roadmap.. Dec 31 15:32:36 by qgil, so pretty authorative Dec 31 15:32:56 and everything in source i've seen points to the same Dec 31 15:33:27 ah, well, ok Dec 31 15:34:06 and it makes sense on a mobile device :P Dec 31 15:34:53 you mean to not composite everything? Dec 31 15:35:32 well, X apps render into some area anyway :P Dec 31 15:35:44 * Stskeeps generates v0.5 Dec 31 15:36:35 * johnx drinks beer 2.0 Dec 31 15:36:46 future beer? ;> Dec 31 15:37:08 heh, think someplace is ahead of me Dec 31 15:37:12 Australia maybe? Dec 31 15:37:47 yeah, I give up on useful code output for tonight. sorry to disappoint ... Dec 31 15:37:55 hehe, it's fine Dec 31 15:38:00 * lcuk keeps an eye on johnx Dec 31 15:38:40 i'm going to take some time out of the loop the next 10 days at least Dec 31 15:39:12 yeah, I'll come up to speed tomorrow night, but for now I'm decompressing from the whole damn month of december O_o Dec 31 15:39:30 hehe, i know, been rough for me too Dec 31 15:54:09 * r2d2rogers finally gets around to trying the handwriting calculator in OS2008HE on his 770 Dec 31 16:06:37 johnx: oh btw, i finally got mb-2 compiling Dec 31 16:07:01 ah, fun stuff Dec 31 16:07:06 was it something interesting? Dec 31 16:07:40 didn't try it yet honestly, but the issue was mostly that the libraries it needed wasn't in jaunty just yet at the first point Dec 31 16:08:37 ji Dec 31 16:08:39 jo Dec 31 16:08:44 it has clutter abilities, which is what tipped me off to why it was there, so Dec 31 16:08:45 hi johnx Dec 31 16:08:59 johnx how many hoors at your side? Dec 31 16:09:06 hey woglinde Dec 31 16:09:16 'til midnight? -1:09 :) Dec 31 16:09:26 ahaha Dec 31 16:09:29 sorry Dec 31 16:09:31 I'm in the future :) Dec 31 16:09:41 ask me what it's like if you're curious Dec 31 16:09:55 I should be able to make some predictions Dec 31 16:09:58 hm 7 to go here Dec 31 16:10:12 johnx: did the world go under financially yet? ;> Dec 31 16:10:31 Stskeeps, I haven't even been *out* in the world for 12 hours yet :P Dec 31 16:10:38 hehe Dec 31 16:10:49 I just know the zunes are jumping ship from this mortal coil Dec 31 16:11:00 like rats from a 19th century ship Dec 31 16:11:06 yeah, which is hillarious Dec 31 16:11:17 it's a bad sign Dec 31 16:11:20 i would be pretty pissed if retu chip started dying on newyears too though Dec 31 16:11:31 heh...but they didn't Dec 31 16:11:37 they died before the 31st Dec 31 16:11:49 they committed prospective suicide Dec 31 16:12:23 hehe Dec 31 16:12:43 it's the "rats jumping a sinking ship" theory :D they'd rather be dead than on in their users' hands Dec 31 16:13:24 anyways, I should catch some sleep, got some traveling and visiting to do tomorrow. so happy new year's to all :D Dec 31 16:13:30 nini Dec 31 16:13:37 'night Dec 31 16:13:40 * johnx sleeps Dec 31 16:17:14 nite johnx Dec 31 16:24:13 hi qwerty Dec 31 16:24:20 hi woglinde Dec 31 16:24:29 qwerty no party? Dec 31 16:25:02 woglinde, nope :). Don't think people like a qwerty who is pissed off at his rootfs not mounting :) Dec 31 16:25:32 qwerty nah Dec 31 16:25:53 celebrate new year and it will fix it self Dec 31 16:26:11 :D. I'm in windows atm anyway, forget linux :P Dec 31 16:26:13 if anyone is in contact with KotCzarny please pass on new year tidings from me. hes been dark since he went home Dec 31 16:37:26 f*king powersupply Dec 31 16:37:31 is all hw dying today or something? Dec 31 16:40:32 wireless is crummy for me today :p Dec 31 16:40:37 ;) Dec 31 16:41:54 Thank god for subtitle synchers... Dec 31 16:42:20 qwerty? Dec 31 16:42:51 hm I will watch some episodes of one piece today Dec 31 16:43:17 woglinde, watching the Matrix again on my tablet and the volume sucks and all the subtitles out there aren't synched with the sound. found a program and it did the job in only a few clicks :) Dec 31 16:43:19 one piece? Dec 31 16:43:38 i think i know that show :) Dec 31 16:43:43 b-man yeah a popular anime series Dec 31 16:47:56 i use to watch it all the time.... Dec 31 16:48:47 hehe Dec 31 16:49:28 I need to convert my PDF ebooks to PDB Dec 31 16:49:48 google didnt find it? Dec 31 16:49:56 actually no Dec 31 16:50:00 all the ways didn't work Dec 31 16:50:08 it was pdf to html or pdf to text Dec 31 16:50:10 your pdf has drm? Dec 31 16:50:12 but no way to convert to palmdoc Dec 31 16:57:24 ahhhh, i keep getting a damn network timeout when trying to acsess repository.mer.tspre.org, wifi sucks today. >:( Dec 31 17:01:02 Stslap: mer repo down? Dec 31 17:10:43 any python guy around ? Dec 31 17:11:53 not really Dec 31 17:12:25 heh Dec 31 17:12:33 try #python .... Dec 31 17:12:58 its a pymaemo question.. but i think i found the answer.. Dec 31 17:14:06 hehe Dec 31 17:14:09 enlight us too Dec 31 17:15:12 wow.. maemowordpy is 4300 lines of code Dec 31 17:15:36 yerga must be one dedicated python coder : Dec 31 17:15:38 ) Dec 31 17:16:09 i talked to him.. it helped me with maemo menus Dec 31 17:16:40 r2d2rogers: power supply problems Dec 31 17:16:56 going to replace it tomorrow Dec 31 17:17:00 cdeb2 i believe has over 5,000 lines.... if i can recall. Dec 31 17:17:16 i worked on it for months... Dec 31 17:17:33 from the good developer techniques that is shit Dec 31 17:17:34 Stslap: cool, been there before Dec 31 17:17:41 the hole thing should me modular Dec 31 17:18:51 disco_stu; meh, it was a learn-sa-you-go kinda thing so :P Dec 31 17:18:56 r2d2rogers: got full backup of everything though, so im not -that- worried :P Dec 31 17:19:13 edit; as Dec 31 17:19:17 b-man: i know.. with pymaemo im on the exact same position Dec 31 17:20:13 Stslap: that's good, I hated it when I lots my backup drive, but I wasn't treating it smart... USB enclosure in backpack knocked around too much Dec 31 17:20:18 the problem with cdeb2 is that it relyed on permissions wayyyy too much. Dec 31 17:20:22 but doing small things.. once you get over 200 lines.. you need to do some engineering Dec 31 17:20:46 r2d2rogers: i lost pictures since 2003 when i moved my backup disk (while remaking my file server), from one building to another.. and dropped it on the sidewalk Dec 31 17:20:50 cos the bag broke Dec 31 17:21:10 after that, i put up very sane backup :P Dec 31 17:21:10 ouch Dec 31 17:21:11 yeah Dec 31 17:21:30 I should have when I dropped a HDD on getting out of my car at work in 2000 Dec 31 17:21:31 on the other hand, it made me able to forget about some memories with some ex gfs/flames :) Dec 31 17:21:40 bonus ;) Dec 31 17:22:59 re qwerty Dec 31 17:23:11 hi woglinde Dec 31 17:23:55 I've never had a dvd drive before that refuses to open unless you press the eject button ~20 times 0_0 Dec 31 17:24:57 disco_stu; it was way to dependent on cdeb2.conf on being root:root and that was it's downfall - allmost every line of code depended on cdeb2.conf. But i admit, it was shitty. ;) Dec 31 17:26:08 b-man: thats a bad design Dec 31 17:26:26 qwerty12: pressing 20 times or pressing and hold for some seconds ? Dec 31 17:26:32 mm. it will definately be interesting to see what ways there'll be to use "standard" apps in hildon, when suddenly the non-hildon app repository explodes Dec 31 17:26:43 disco_stu, pressing Dec 31 17:26:45 i know :P, i could have done way better. ;p Dec 31 17:27:12 b-man: of course.. we are so lazy in terms of designing Dec 31 17:27:17 we just want to code Dec 31 17:27:28 heh :) Dec 31 17:29:41 * Stslap ponders idly how to convince the gf to watch some sci-fi tonight Dec 31 17:30:59 Stslap: pick scio fi that's not obvious? Dec 31 17:31:05 what does she like? Dec 31 17:31:17 * r2d2rogers just got Dr. Horrible for Christmas Dec 31 17:31:27 lol Dec 31 17:32:13 re qwerty Dec 31 17:32:20 hi again :D Dec 31 17:32:37 laggy connecntion Dec 31 17:51:51 on maemo (n810), when i do "sudo" it asks for a pass, what is the default pass? Dec 31 17:52:19 There isn't one. Dec 31 17:52:24 sudo gainroot Dec 31 17:52:24 ~root Dec 31 17:52:25 from memory, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. Dec 31 17:52:27 hi jaffa Dec 31 17:52:30 ~gainroot Dec 31 17:52:37 ~becomeroot Dec 31 17:52:38 extra, extra, read all about it, becomeroot is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Dec 31 17:52:39 i don't want to use root as an account, but i would like sudo ;) Dec 31 17:52:46 install rootsh. Dec 31 17:52:49 bakarat: see that URL in the wiki Dec 31 17:53:10 having a look :> Dec 31 17:54:18 once you have become root, you can always modify /etc/sudoers to your liking. dvs. add, not a good idea to remove the system added stuff :) Dec 31 17:54:49 but, time for new year party :) Dec 31 17:57:31 HAPPY NEWYEAR!!!! 2009!!!! Dec 31 18:05:54 i knew intrepid was a pos, booted hardy off a live cd and it mounted the rootfs fine, onetime. Now i've got a clean maemo on my mmc :) Dec 31 18:09:01 heh, i'm trying to jet jaunty to boot on my tablet using mer components. :) Dec 31 18:09:09 edit; get Dec 31 18:21:43 What is the default password for the 'user'? Dec 31 18:22:41 For ssh Dec 31 18:23:03 There is no password Dec 31 18:24:49 So i can only ssh in via root account? Dec 31 18:28:17 you can passwd user as root Dec 31 18:30:06 Hi, yerga. :) Dec 31 18:30:22 hey, evening! Dec 31 18:30:28 hellwolf: Hi Dec 31 18:30:32 y mean.. Dec 31 18:30:35 yerga: Hi :) Dec 31 18:50:13 I'd rather not ssh using root account; can i adduser a user, put him in users group, log in and expect full access? Dec 31 18:59:44 Anyone? Dec 31 19:00:18 bakarat root access or normal acces? Dec 31 19:01:04 Well mostly regular access Dec 31 19:01:24 ssh user@moo Dec 31 19:01:27 before Dec 31 19:01:30 sudo gainroot Dec 31 19:01:33 passwd user Dec 31 19:01:39 on the tablet Dec 31 19:02:05 Ah setting a password for user doesnt change anything? Dec 31 19:02:14 no Dec 31 19:02:21 you have no login manger Dec 31 19:02:28 x is started as user user Dec 31 19:02:30 Ah k Dec 31 19:02:46 Is root ssh automatically disabled? Dec 31 19:02:58 seems so Dec 31 19:03:09 didnt remeber how the sshd.conf looks Dec 31 19:03:20 Sweet, thanks a bunch Dec 31 19:03:50 One more thing maybe, how do i reflash when things get hairy? Dec 31 19:04:25 ~flasher Dec 31 19:04:26 from memory, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Dec 31 19:07:57 Thanks Dec 31 19:12:11 Hmm, from say the note editor, how do i access home? It saves to some vague documents dir i cant track down in home? Dec 31 19:12:52 /home/users/.documents Dec 31 19:13:03 ups Dec 31 19:13:06 /home/user Dec 31 19:14:38 HNY everyone Dec 31 19:14:42 O right hidden folders hehe Dec 31 19:14:47 Thanks again Dec 31 19:14:55 At least anyone in GMT+5 Dec 31 19:17:41 rst hehe Dec 31 19:17:47 we have 4 hours to wait Dec 31 19:18:00 and johnx is sleeping now Dec 31 19:26:27 1.5 hours here Dec 31 19:26:37 the fireworks already started Dec 31 19:28:55 How do i bring up the touch keyboard? Dec 31 19:29:30 bakarat3 n810? Dec 31 19:29:47 Yes Dec 31 19:29:56 hm Dec 31 19:30:05 I always use the hw keyboard Dec 31 19:30:11 and the chr key Dec 31 19:30:18 for | Symbol Dec 31 19:30:43 O Dec 31 19:37:02 Odd, my text editor [who mysteriously saves in html format] can see my samba share, but file manager can not Dec 31 19:37:02 Ah now i opened the share in editor, it pops up in file manager Dec 31 20:11:05 anyone knows what mips 4kc is? Dec 31 20:11:46 rst isnt wiki saying something? Dec 31 20:12:26 nope Dec 31 20:12:36 I am interested to know what its instruction set is Dec 31 20:14:22 ah, I see: it supports R4000 + conditional moves from r5000 Dec 31 20:26:40 * r2d2rogers is looking for posts about using the NIT for a wireless USB adapter for a desktop PC Dec 31 20:27:16 never happened so far, afaik Dec 31 20:27:24 darn Dec 31 20:27:41 I guess I need to get the in-laws a wireless router one of these days Dec 31 20:31:10 oh, by wireless usb adapter you mean usb wifi adapter? Dec 31 20:31:59 What exactly prevents you from buying a standalone USB Wifi adapter for their pc? Dec 31 20:34:26 nothing Dec 31 20:34:36 I was just trying to use what I have on hand... Dec 31 20:34:48 two 770's and a wired connection to the PC Dec 31 20:35:18 they have no use for wireless, so it would only be for my benefit Dec 31 21:07:04 NOW, HNY Dec 31 21:10:35 RST38h, happy new year Dec 31 21:10:43 i dont think im meant to be a developer Dec 31 21:15:50 lcuk hehe Dec 31 21:18:16 woglinde, my problem is that I don't know what APIs exist in the big wide world Dec 31 21:18:50 lcuk hm we are in the luck Dec 31 21:18:54 to have google Dec 31 21:19:02 and mailinglists Dec 31 21:19:07 and even irc Dec 31 21:19:14 ask ask ask Dec 31 21:19:31 not really, i could spend a week making a tiny function work using the standard api Dec 31 21:20:05 sure in the long run it will be more beneficial, but if i did that with everything i would still be sat with sdl wondering how to render text quickly Dec 31 21:20:30 so i write things which work and leave big todos Dec 31 21:21:17 (i'm only moaning now because ive just made an xml parser which i know exists but didnt have energy to search and find Dec 31 21:22:42 whahaha Dec 31 21:22:46 libxml2 Dec 31 21:22:53 nooo! Dec 31 21:22:56 why didnt you ask Dec 31 21:24:00 cos everything takes longer :$ and i always have stupid trouble setting up libraries in the make file and stuff and it always breaks. cos im technically shit with linux or windows or os'es. Dec 31 21:24:08 lcuk: Why don't you ASK what APIs exist then? Dec 31 21:24:21 cos theres a new one every night Dec 31 21:24:22 rst thats what I said Dec 31 21:24:42 Why don't you take my makefiles which make library inclusion simple? Dec 31 21:24:43 im always looking at how things work and needing to extract stuff out of them Dec 31 21:25:11 cos i cant read a damned makefile either, its all foreign, i found one way to add new source files as required Dec 31 21:25:19 you gotta remember, i came to all this from visual basic Dec 31 21:25:26 yeah Dec 31 21:25:34 but thats not an excuse Dec 31 21:25:46 Why don't you learn about makefiles then? =) Dec 31 21:25:46 it takes my mind away from making stuff though Dec 31 21:25:46 learning autotools istnt that hard Dec 31 21:25:53 hehe Dec 31 21:25:56 autotools should die Dec 31 21:25:57 ive spent the entire year learning :$ Dec 31 21:26:03 then team up with one Dec 31 21:26:10 thats what community is for Dec 31 21:26:11 every single day theres been something new ive needed to do Dec 31 21:26:19 and the community has helped ever so much Dec 31 21:26:31 i *do* ask a lot of the time Dec 31 21:26:32 lcuk: an explanation how makefiles work took whole 2 pages at the beginning of our CS class back at UMD Dec 31 21:26:32 yeah thats the fun Dec 31 21:26:36 give and take Dec 31 21:27:29 BTW, my Maemo makefile is 20 lines long Dec 31 21:27:40 YOu will need about 10 of them Dec 31 21:27:45 the problem i have is my cathederal model dev, i dont want people latching onto half complete code and using it fulltime because then i have to maintain it or be pushed in a direction i know wont stay Dec 31 21:28:05 hm????? Dec 31 21:28:35 lots of features within liqbase are transitional, they evolve and dont stay Dec 31 21:28:37 Library configuration: pkg-config gtk+-2.0 gconf-2.0 libosso hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 --cflags --libs Dec 31 21:28:42 read an article about theo de raadt from openbsd Dec 31 21:28:43 people expect things to stay same :$ Dec 31 21:28:44 That is all you have to do Dec 31 21:28:58 lcuk lol Dec 31 21:29:00 lcuk no Dec 31 21:29:13 lcuk: Well, remember what I said? "Stop experimenting, make it a proper product first" Dec 31 21:29:18 even freesoftware users can hold pain Dec 31 21:29:48 yes RST38h, thats it - but my nighttimes are when i try things and examine and play around Dec 31 21:29:49 and changing api and break lot of stuff is common Dec 31 21:29:54 so dont worry Dec 31 21:29:58 stop trying things Dec 31 21:29:59 your app is cool Dec 31 21:30:01 thats all Dec 31 21:30:09 By now, you KNOW what the core functionality is Dec 31 21:30:10 what its need Dec 31 21:30:28 It is a huge canvas where you can make notes. Dec 31 21:30:39 i know what some of it is, you have seen my list - theres things which it cant do yet which need doing Dec 31 21:30:50 no rst, thats only a tiny fraction Dec 31 21:30:54 Make sure that this core functionality works perfectly, has UI, and generally has appeal of an iPhone Dec 31 21:30:59 lcuk: It is ok Dec 31 21:31:04 rst hehe Dec 31 21:31:05 teeny tiny minute miniscule glimpse Dec 31 21:31:06 lcuk: Just make it work. Dec 31 21:31:11 shitty iphone Dec 31 21:31:13 it does - i use it every day Dec 31 21:31:20 lcuk: You can add the rest as an experiment Dec 31 21:31:25 hehe thats it is Dec 31 21:31:29 the personal itch Dec 31 21:31:57 But it is VERY important that the core functionality looks like a product Dec 31 21:32:08 RST38h, i wanted to have my widget ready by now, i wanted a new year video. that was my "target". i havent reached it Dec 31 21:32:20 btw, for yourself too - this way you will feel like you have accomplished somethign Dec 31 21:32:43 heh, well i havent :P Dec 31 21:32:57 lcuk you have my honor Dec 31 21:33:21 for what you achieve until now Dec 31 21:34:31 RST38h, i made 30 different stand alone modules for liqbase, each one an example of some area or other doing something different. the framework was too crappy to want to share. i want a better more documented core widget to build my apps from so others can also build from them Dec 31 21:35:53 (btw, the framework "works", im just personally unhappy with it, i really need some daytime to spend turning it into a clean library api of its own) Dec 31 21:36:10 lcuk hehe Dec 31 21:36:15 this will come Dec 31 21:36:16 thanks woglinde :) Dec 31 21:36:22 take your time Dec 31 21:37:02 heh woglinde would love to Dec 31 21:37:24 no one expect that you finish it tomorrow Dec 31 21:38:33 i would :) ive been thinking about this for the last 10 years. i've always wanted to intuitively interact with my computer. Dec 31 21:41:09 Mind Reading Interface? Dec 31 21:42:10 no AStorm until this year i did most of my thinking on paper Dec 31 21:42:22 but as soon as i turned the page it was gone Dec 31 21:42:45 hmmmm Dec 31 21:43:17 1st point: modes are bad ;) Dec 31 21:43:52 I hate vim, but emacs needs E-M-A-C-S keys Dec 31 21:43:55 :> Dec 31 21:44:00 hi Dec 31 21:44:03 and still has modes Dec 31 21:44:26 i have dell x51v, is any one managed to install and make it work Dec 31 21:44:36 heh AStorm, gimme a visual gui editor anyday Dec 31 21:44:36 ????? Dec 31 21:44:49 what has the dell todo with maemo Dec 31 21:44:54 chandoo, install what and get what to work? Dec 31 21:44:55 lcuk, hmm, eclipse? Dec 31 21:45:05 ewww no, too visual ;) something fast Dec 31 21:45:08 (which sucks in other ways) Dec 31 21:45:17 it is slow due to java Dec 31 21:45:21 and featuritis Dec 31 21:45:36 hmm, gedit was good Dec 31 21:45:39 and kate Dec 31 21:45:44 i like komodo Dec 31 21:45:53 I don't remember komodo Dec 31 21:46:00 kdevelop? Dec 31 21:46:07 its the only one ive tried that "felt" like the vb6 code editor Dec 31 21:46:18 (and now looks like it as well) Dec 31 21:46:32 lcuk: maemo image Dec 31 21:47:07 lcuk, that one was nice, yup Dec 31 21:47:15 chandoo, the default nokia supplied maemo os image is targeted at the nokia devices. Dec 31 21:47:15 but I prefer Delphi one Dec 31 21:47:45 chandoo, yes, you might want to try maemo SDK instead Dec 31 21:47:56 there is talk about getting a community distro together which may at some point allow installation on other devices (its already got an x86 target i believe) Dec 31 21:48:11 checkout the Mer project Dec 31 21:48:39 but that is not in any way shape or form nearly complete Dec 31 21:49:03 so, to answer your question properly ;) no, come back and ask in 12 months Dec 31 21:53:03 AStorm: try what Dec 31 21:53:20 maemo SDK Dec 31 21:53:29 on laptop? Dec 31 21:53:34 ... Dec 31 21:53:44 it's not a full distro Dec 31 21:53:51 just a chroot and build system Dec 31 21:54:09 can run maemo apps Dec 31 21:55:09 okay Dec 31 21:55:57 i very much want to buy nokia N810, cos it has gps, but with no applications Dec 31 21:58:26 i'm currently installing Ubuntu jaunty on my N800... Dec 31 21:58:35 :D Dec 31 21:59:56 chandoo??? Dec 31 22:00:02 there are plenty gps apps Dec 31 22:00:32 i tihnk hes looking for a discount if he doesnt pay the penguin tax Dec 31 22:00:35 it was long time ago, i came to know maemo few days back Dec 31 22:00:46 i am exploring the maemo.org site Dec 31 22:04:00 hm nice ice wine Dec 31 22:07:59 chandoo, there's maemo-mapper and wayfinder Dec 31 22:08:16 astorm speed o meter Dec 31 22:08:46 woglinde, ? Dec 31 22:08:53 gps app too Dec 31 22:08:59 ah, that Dec 31 22:09:03 it's basic :> Dec 31 22:09:06 showing your acttual speed Dec 31 22:09:07 he Dec 31 22:09:55 woglinde, grrrr \@/ "Package libxml2 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Dec 31 22:09:55 " Dec 31 22:10:15 hm Dec 31 22:10:19 "libxml2-dev is already the newest version." Dec 31 22:10:33 dpkg -L libxml2 Dec 31 22:10:42 does that just check it? Dec 31 22:10:57 shows you the content of this package Dec 31 22:11:50 ah Dec 31 22:11:51 pkg-config libxml-2.0 --cflags Dec 31 22:11:54 sorry Dec 31 22:11:57 cool thanks, right - it wasnt libxml2, it was libxml2-dev i needed the check. in there it shows i need "libxml-2.0" to have it found, why cant these things be consistent ;) Dec 31 22:12:04 the .pc is named little bit diffrent Dec 31 22:12:21 ah hehe Dec 31 22:12:24 found it yourself Dec 31 22:12:27 fine :) Dec 31 22:13:34 much better to try to help self, thanks for pointers Dec 31 22:14:43 lcuk sure the day will come where I will question you about something Dec 31 22:15:03 hmm, how can i play an mkv file on nokia n810? Dec 31 22:15:10 (can it handle x264?) Dec 31 22:15:19 cool, well anything you need to know about the breast sized of dwarfs and midgets, i'm your man Dec 31 22:15:21 it will choke with h264 Dec 31 22:15:51 ahah Dec 31 22:15:59 bakarat, I don't think anyone has built a filter for mkv just yet Dec 31 22:16:06 gah, this xml thingy appeared to work kindof sortof, its given me a list of the nodes Dec 31 22:16:07 the mickael jackson imitation in one piece rockz Dec 31 22:16:21 but i had my function returning a tree of tiles Dec 31 22:16:23 AStorm, what's the easiest way to view movies on it? (most of mine are in mkv) Dec 31 22:16:25 * lcuk ponders Dec 31 22:18:11 bakarat, hmm Dec 31 22:18:20 repack them into ogm with mencoder Dec 31 22:18:28 should be quick Dec 31 22:18:34 although h264 is no-no Dec 31 22:18:41 cpu will choke and die Dec 31 22:18:41 hm Dec 31 22:18:44 dsp Dec 31 22:18:45 dsp Dec 31 22:18:47 yell yell Dec 31 22:18:51 you'll have to reencode Dec 31 22:19:15 crap Dec 31 22:19:48 is there a nice utility to auto-convert? (nokia seems to have one but only win/mac edition) Dec 31 22:20:13 ffmpeg, mencoder Dec 31 22:20:24 and nifty scripts (google for them) Dec 31 22:21:21 mm. alcohol and new years eve. always good Dec 31 22:22:23 :) Dec 31 22:22:32 about 46min to go Dec 31 22:22:36 48 Dec 31 22:22:41 grrr Dec 31 22:22:42 38 Dec 31 22:22:45 astorm 38 Dec 31 22:22:51 hihi Dec 31 22:29:40 Stslap, i'm experimenting with pure Ubuntu Jaunty and am applying some of the base packages from mer and i have one question; do i still need mer-rescue-menu installed in order for it to boot properly? - because in mer that's prity much the only way to boot into mer... at least for me :P Dec 31 22:30:33 b-man: no, but it certainly helps with console mode and stuff :P Dec 31 22:31:03 don't be tricked by the dark side, there's no future for a straight-through desktop distribution on the tablets :) Dec 31 22:31:29 heh :) Dec 31 22:32:24 seems like fatalsaint's been busy, he got sound working :P Dec 31 22:32:30 someone really ought to get him on irc.. Dec 31 22:32:34 .. or her, i'm actually not sure.. Dec 31 22:32:35 :P Dec 31 22:33:05 god, im drunk.. Dec 31 22:33:06 :P Dec 31 22:33:37 i was just trying to convince him about irc yesterday Dec 31 22:34:35 Stslap, how many beers have you been drinking? :) Dec 31 22:43:54 waw ok, that was annoying :| Dec 31 22:44:04 i started up a movie with mplayer, i closed the app but it kept playing Dec 31 22:44:21 had to ps -ef | more my way through the processes until i found it (and killed 2 processes that were innocent :'() Dec 31 22:44:31 is there a better way to solve something like that? Dec 31 22:44:40 no Dec 31 22:45:03 i assume "reboot" is safe? :> Dec 31 22:45:10 or is everything stored in ram? :> Dec 31 22:45:18 no Dec 31 22:45:22 its not win ce Dec 31 22:45:27 hehe Dec 31 22:45:28 i figured as much Dec 31 22:45:32 but still...i rather ask :D Dec 31 22:45:36 then reboot and notice something is off ;) Dec 31 22:46:14 reboot: not found :| Dec 31 22:46:15 ic :| Dec 31 22:47:27 some app is keeping my internal flash busy and "lsof" doesn't indicate which one Dec 31 22:47:29 and i can't reboot :'( Dec 31 22:47:38 any ideas? Dec 31 22:48:21 unscrew the case and remove the flash memory? Dec 31 22:48:27 why can't you reboot? Dec 31 22:48:36 well i don't know how :| Dec 31 22:48:41 "reboot" doesn't seem to exist :> Dec 31 22:49:03 short of holding the power key for a number of sec (does that work?) i don't see a way of shutting down? Dec 31 22:49:07 or am i missing something obvious? :D Dec 31 22:49:17 pressing the power key will bring up a menu Dec 31 22:49:22 o Dec 31 22:49:30 with a shutdown option Dec 31 22:49:37 Proteous, sweet thanks :> Dec 31 22:49:41 np Dec 31 22:49:52 btw, when i'm disconnected from wifi, is the antenna still active? Dec 31 22:49:59 cause for battery reasons...it would be nice to turn it off Dec 31 22:50:44 when your are not connected to wifi it doesn't use any battery Dec 31 22:50:50 sweet Dec 31 22:51:35 i'm loving the nokia tbh :D Dec 31 22:53:29 bakarat you can configure it Dec 31 22:53:34 in the wifimanager Dec 31 22:53:53 why should an antenna drain battery>? Dec 31 22:53:55 having a look Dec 31 22:54:02 well not the antenna itself.... :| Dec 31 22:54:11 heh Dec 31 22:55:36 is there some sort of remoting software for maemo? Dec 31 22:56:07 remote? Dec 31 22:56:47 i just walk away from it when i dont wanna be near it Dec 31 22:57:00 lol :> Dec 31 22:57:05 i mean like "anyremote" or something like that Dec 31 22:57:15 I ported nx Dec 31 22:57:17 and qtnx Dec 31 22:57:21 b-man: vodka, and champagne Dec 31 22:57:23 having a look Dec 31 22:57:23 and package it Dec 31 22:57:54 btw, i'm experiencing something odd, when i transfer "large" files (say 100+ meg) to the flash disk, the copy never actually ends Dec 31 22:57:58 it stalls right at the end or very near the end Dec 31 22:58:09 i have to cancel the copy (though it still seems to succeed) Dec 31 22:58:24 you are running out og space ? Dec 31 22:58:35 ps. happy new year Dec 31 22:58:36 2 minutes Dec 31 22:59:35 1:59 here Dec 31 22:59:46 rst still awake? Dec 31 22:59:48 sleep time. Dec 31 22:59:51 hehe Dec 31 22:59:54 sleep well Dec 31 22:59:56 watching the fireworks Dec 31 23:00:00 ah Dec 31 23:00:01 hm Dec 31 23:00:13 Happy new year! Guttes Neues! Gelukkig Nieuwjaar! 2009! Dec 31 23:00:30 yes Dec 31 23:00:33 happy new Dec 31 23:00:53 but time to continue watching one piece Dec 31 23:01:00 have seen enough fireworks Dec 31 23:04:02 With an hour to go to 0000 GMT MMIX, I'm the only one up - now watching Jools Holland (with Martha Reeves & the Vandellas!) Dec 31 23:04:09 happy new years from .dk :) Dec 31 23:04:20 suihkulokki, no, enough space Dec 31 23:14:46 Is there any way to force the wayfinder map program to download maps to the external card or the home partition? Dec 31 23:16:43 From what I remember, yes. Can't remember if it's exposed in the UI, though. Dec 31 23:16:55 Looking through a disassembly suggests it should be possible, tho Dec 31 23:18:44 jaffa you decompiled the java stuff? Dec 31 23:18:45 hihi Dec 31 23:19:44 woglinde: I put some of the Java stuff through jad, but mostly concentrated on an ARM disassembly of the C wrapper (for, err, interest's sake). Dec 31 23:20:04 Last few releases it's been easier to buy a 20 quid 3 year licence for the old 770 version than bother to work around any protection methods. Original version had a single word you could change to bypass stuff Dec 31 23:22:39 happy newyear people Dec 31 23:22:46 timless to you too Dec 31 23:24:43 timeless... that is, for him, new year is all the time Dec 31 23:24:48 ;) Dec 31 23:38:35 is there anyway to mount the internal memory via the usb cable on my desktop? Dec 31 23:38:59 this is the n810... Dec 31 23:39:04 hmm, is there a slightly more advanced alarm clock then the default one? Dec 31 23:39:05 yes Dec 31 23:39:14 it is exported as usual Dec 31 23:39:19 if not mounted Dec 31 23:39:28 "as usual"? Dec 31 23:39:29 so you have to unmount it Dec 31 23:39:38 as usual usb storage Dec 31 23:39:39 :) Dec 31 23:39:47 the default one only seems to allow for a "daily" setting (without specifying for instance different wake-up calls for different days or none for the weekend etc) Dec 31 23:39:54 so, with power off, I just plug the device in? Dec 31 23:40:11 no Dec 31 23:40:25 with power on and after umount /media/mmc2 Dec 31 23:40:41 or maybe Dec 31 23:40:46 well, i can't run umount, as hildon refuses to start Dec 31 23:40:47 it just has to be unused Dec 31 23:40:52 hehe Dec 31 23:40:58 hi all Dec 31 23:41:00 it has to be unmountable at least Dec 31 23:41:59 how can i access the file system if hildon isn't running, and i cant ssh into the device (as I need hildon for this)? Dec 31 23:42:14 uhm? Dec 31 23:42:21 why would hildon hog immc? Dec 31 23:42:26 it doesn't Dec 31 23:42:43 disable swap, obviously Dec 31 23:42:50 ok, so, I start the device. Dec 31 23:42:55 (it's made on immc by default) Dec 31 23:43:08 then it gets to the point where hildon would start, but it doesnt, it's just a white screen instead Dec 31 23:43:15 so, then i plug in usb Dec 31 23:43:24 my desktop mounts the external memory, as normal Dec 31 23:43:44 but i need to access / Dec 31 23:43:59 so i can modify the session to start hildon (or whatever) Dec 31 23:44:20 / is not immc Dec 31 23:44:23 it's flash Dec 31 23:44:33 roger Dec 31 23:44:38 anyway I can mount that? Dec 31 23:44:40 you will have to use sftp Dec 31 23:44:48 and/or sshfs Dec 31 23:44:55 or maybe nfs Dec 31 23:44:56 what if i cant start the ssh client though? Dec 31 23:45:04 ie, i cant configure the device at all Dec 31 23:45:09 hmmm Dec 31 23:45:15 no interface to be able to Dec 31 23:45:24 sounds tricky Dec 31 23:45:30 i assume it's not going to get a network connection either, and I cant use usbnet Dec 31 23:45:36 flash some own initfs? Dec 31 23:45:47 e.g. the one from fanoush Dec 31 23:46:03 it has dropbear in it Dec 31 23:47:04 hmmm Dec 31 23:47:12 I may just reflash Dec 31 23:47:44 yup, why not Dec 31 23:48:37 is there like an apt auto-clean thingy in maemo? Dec 31 23:48:59 (and autoremove) Dec 31 23:52:24 bakarat, yes, use apt in terminal :) Dec 31 23:52:39 AStorm, okies :> Dec 31 23:53:02 trying "battle for wesnoth" atm hehe Jan 01 00:13:17 * Jaffa beds. Jan 01 00:36:14 =] Jan 01 00:42:00 running ssh@localhost verifies that sshd daemon is running on tablet (n800/diablo) but when i attempt to use scp cmd from my linux box, the cmd just sits like a deadlock or something Jan 01 00:42:59 Can you ssh from your tablet to a different host? Jan 01 00:44:11 qwerty12_N800 : same problem when i connect to my fedora (fc10) box from tablet; again ssh@localhost works on that box as well Jan 01 00:44:34 happy new year folks Jan 01 00:44:43 my missus says happy new year to you lot as well Jan 01 00:45:35 sin18, your router is teh suck, my old router did the same so I fixed openssh and recompiled it, but it seems my host (http:// qwerty12.maemobox.org/openssh_badrouter_fix/) is down :) Jan 01 00:45:56 lcuk, happy new year to you and your missus :) Jan 01 00:46:41 happy new year to everyone Jan 01 00:46:58 happy new year kpel :) Jan 01 00:47:01 Happy 2009 all! Jan 01 00:47:12 qwerty12_N800 : thanks, will try rebooting it for now since its not like it never worked Jan 01 00:48:15 sin18, no wait, it's up : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/openssh_badrouter_fix/ :) Jan 01 00:49:35 if you can't get other stuff to work, install the debs from there. they worked when my old router hated ssh with tablet and would cause connections to hang forever after entering pw Jan 01 00:50:17 qwerty12_N800: great, will try it right now :) Jan 01 00:55:17 happy new year everyone!!! :D Jan 01 00:55:35 b-man: you too! Jan 01 01:00:24 :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 01 02:59:57 2009