**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 01 02:59:57 2009 Jan 01 03:46:57 2009 woo-hoo ;D Jan 01 03:58:22 yup. any future with coffee is a good future :D Jan 01 05:03:11 Hello from the future! Jan 01 07:06:27 anyone know how to get canola to play youtube videos on nokia 800? Jan 01 07:52:04 nokia_800: Install YouTube Canola plugin from Extras Jan 01 08:16:58 zakkm, happy Nyear!! Jan 01 08:17:11 you too Jan 01 08:17:18 disco_stu: do anything nice? Jan 01 08:17:59 its 5am and im programming in python Jan 01 08:18:40 i meant like at midnight Jan 01 08:19:53 well i drink some alcohol Jan 01 08:20:14 thats nice Jan 01 08:20:17 andd hanged out with my gf for a while Jan 01 08:20:26 :) Jan 01 08:20:30 that sounds fun Jan 01 08:20:43 yeah Jan 01 08:21:03 sorry, im half asleep here Jan 01 08:21:11 im writing with my n800 so, forgive me for the spelling Jan 01 08:21:19 wow you type fast Jan 01 08:21:26 me too!! Jan 01 08:21:32 i type way too slow on nokia Jan 01 08:21:47 wanted to get a bluetooth keyboard but i think it was GeneralAntilles that said it wasnt worth it Jan 01 08:21:49 lags too much Jan 01 08:21:50 you need to practice then Jan 01 08:22:26 lol i just use it for basic stuff Jan 01 08:22:34 it was me not general Jan 01 08:22:39 oh Jan 01 08:22:40 sorry Jan 01 08:22:47 it is still worth it but you will not type faster Jan 01 08:23:00 its alot of money though, im not very rich Jan 01 08:23:13 also i could do with a bigger SD card, if i was going for a upgrade Jan 01 08:24:12 i type soo slow with n800 Jan 01 08:24:19 i type fast when theres a keyboard involved Jan 01 08:24:20 Microsoft to lay off 15000 people (17%) Jan 01 08:24:25 yeah i heard :) Jan 01 08:24:40 RST38h: it hasnt happened yet, its just a rumor ;p Jan 01 08:25:06 but what a sweet rumor it is... Jan 01 08:25:21 well lol it is doing worse, everybody is Jan 01 08:25:32 opensource is rising too Jan 01 08:25:46 of course microsoft is lowering Jan 01 08:26:04 zakkm, RST38h see you later Jan 01 08:26:14 i'll go to bed now Jan 01 08:26:17 :) Jan 01 08:26:18 goodnighttt Jan 01 08:26:19 bye Jan 01 08:26:20 sweet dreams Jan 01 08:26:24 thx Jan 01 09:06:42 ;> Jan 01 09:39:56 Morning, all Jan 01 09:40:10 morning Jaffa, had a good new years? Jan 01 09:43:53 http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00p47hpw.jpg Jan 01 09:44:50 Stskeeps: fairly quiet - I was the only one up at midnight Jan 01 09:45:31 mm, think i staggered home with the gf at around 2am or so Jan 01 09:46:04 Hello, happy new year maemo ;) Jan 01 09:46:12 thanks, and to you too ;) Jan 01 09:48:49 moo Sts Jan 01 09:49:25 moo RST38h Jan 01 10:15:24 wow, these home* applets waste a lot of resouces Jan 01 10:16:05 some of them i guess Jan 01 10:20:58 devs = commands.getoutput("cat /proc/meminfo | grep 'Cached' | awk '{print $2}' | head -1") Jan 01 10:21:35 4 unix processes to get one line? Jan 01 10:21:37 awk '$1 ~ /^Cached/ {print $2}' /proc/meminfo Jan 01 10:21:42 does the same Jan 01 10:21:47 send a patch? :P Jan 01 10:21:58 I have already one Jan 01 10:22:05 but I'm rewriting it in python Jan 01 10:22:07 *nod* Jan 01 10:22:11 there is no need to use awk Jan 01 10:22:29 which home applet in this case? Jan 01 10:23:03 hometools Jan 01 10:23:12 http://www.cynapses.org/tmp/patches/maemo/hometools.patch Jan 01 10:23:28 that's the patch to use only awk Jan 01 10:23:36 but I've started to use python now Jan 01 10:23:52 I wonder from where ifconfig reads the ip address Jan 01 10:25:16 ioctl Jan 01 10:25:26 gladiac: khertan comes by here occasionally at least Jan 01 10:25:29 (hometools) Jan 01 10:25:47 SIOCGIFADDR ioctl Jan 01 10:26:44 http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2000-August/047939.html Jan 01 10:26:48 to get it with just python Jan 01 10:27:23 thanks Jan 01 10:27:35 (didnt test myself) Jan 01 10:27:54 works :) Jan 01 10:28:42 a happy and healthy 2009 everyone! Jan 01 10:28:56 yeah, that too, happy newbyear :D Jan 01 10:37:06 happy newyear qwerty12 Jan 01 10:37:21 happy new year Stslaptop :) Jan 01 10:37:58 happy newbear Jan 01 10:43:49 in maemo mapper, how can i enter a route that is more specific then the "town"? Jan 01 10:43:54 like street etc? Jan 01 11:25:44 hi, can I manipulate the LED in the N810 directly? I would like to find out interesting colors without restarting mce everytime Jan 01 11:26:13 prometoys, http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsse2.net%2Fledcolor.py&ei=UahcSbv1HIzFjAfP96TBDw&usg=AFQjCNFDcD942D8LK_mcfOAPlseOO-Hn0A&sig2=aLOi6laUCzS5QbRNw11d9A Jan 01 11:26:18 sse2.net/ledcolor.py Jan 01 11:26:22 motherfucking google Jan 01 11:27:46 qwerty12 thanks, i will try it out Jan 01 11:29:16 hm, wasn't there a version of the screenshot applet (the system monitor one) that flashed the led instead of hiding its icon? Jan 01 11:29:49 Yes, the dodgy version I made for you. I don't have the source anymore though :/ Jan 01 11:30:27 bright and nice colors are rare... :) Jan 01 11:32:52 never a truer word spoken, but the n810 is like a solar flar, you miss it when its not on, and singe your hair and are blinded when its there Jan 01 11:32:57 flare Jan 01 11:33:34 new years resolution failed: i was gonna spell check everything i said Jan 01 11:33:50 heh Jan 01 12:13:27 happy gnu year! Jan 01 12:14:30 happy gnuy too.... Jan 01 12:55:22 morning all Jan 01 12:59:25 morn, happy newyears Jan 01 13:15:15 happy new year sts :) Jan 01 13:15:27 heres a nice little extra since last night http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_131251.gary.scr.png Jan 01 13:15:34 oh crap, im in wrong chan Jan 01 13:22:32 Urgh .. Jan 01 13:22:40 I have the hang over of a century. Jan 01 13:23:13 can't be that bad, managed to get here Jan 01 13:23:14 Drink more water. Jan 01 13:23:25 * towo is free of hangovers. ;) Jan 01 13:23:28 I've had 2 pints of water already :P Jan 01 13:23:41 I'm drinking ginger ale and orange juice now. Jan 01 13:24:01 alterego: try drinking it before you go to bed (or where you slept) Jan 01 13:24:28 Yes, I had a pint of water before I went to bed too. Jan 01 13:24:48 My hang over would probably have been a lot worse otherwise :) Jan 01 13:24:54 solmumaha: http://pastie.org/349618 Jan 01 13:25:33 http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/projects/ruby-maemo/home-plugin.png Jan 01 13:25:43 That example made that screen shot :) Jan 01 13:25:54 that complicated?! :( Jan 01 13:26:17 What do you mean "that complicated"? Jan 01 13:26:26 just kidding Jan 01 13:26:29 :P Jan 01 13:26:39 You should see how the Pythoners do it :P Jan 01 13:28:03 alterego, that example made a whole linux compositing desktop and included functionality to take a screenshot? Jan 01 13:28:17 lcuk: yes. Ruby is awesome :P Jan 01 13:28:22 * alterego chuckles. Jan 01 13:28:35 ahhh right, i thought you were using a normal language :P Jan 01 13:28:42 :) Jan 01 13:28:43 * lcuk chuckles also :D Jan 01 13:29:05 omg the pupnik clones have started Jan 01 13:29:11 My laptop hasn't been restarted in about a week. Jan 01 13:29:19 And neither has my studio VM .. Jan 01 13:29:21 yeah my comment is on that screenshot Jan 01 13:30:26 Still no word on my extras access :( Jan 01 13:30:49 heh, what a difference icons make. look at these two images and flip between em: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_052923.gary.scr.png http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_131251.gary.scr.png Jan 01 13:31:40 Are you trying to implemented that UI improvement? Jan 01 13:31:56 m00f Jan 01 13:32:06 some of it yeah, its well in line with what liqbase can do Jan 01 13:32:20 and the dragging around various scaled icons is fun :) Jan 01 13:32:29 mornin johnx :D i got icons working Jan 01 13:32:40 just saw Jan 01 13:32:44 It would be nicer if the icons were SVG ;) Jan 01 13:32:45 * johnx waits for his hands to warm up Jan 01 13:32:56 I think it looks kind of aweful with those pngs scaled :P Jan 01 13:33:10 I imagine you're just grabbing the low res icons? Jan 01 13:33:18 alterego, but once we have svg we will have users who want to put mona lisa there, better to KISS and let them make liqsketches ;) Jan 01 13:33:42 woo! My karma has risen to 101 :) Jan 01 13:33:43 no, thats using descending scale, it looks bad on desktop because its much lower dpi Jan 01 13:34:31 i check scalable, 40x40, 26x26 Jan 01 13:35:18 but you're getting the high res one for media player, but not the high res one for mauku Jan 01 13:35:24 lo johnx Jan 01 13:35:29 hey Stskeeps Jan 01 13:35:40 just back from a day of visiting. been on the train all day O_o Jan 01 13:35:44 I'm starting to feel like a human again now I've woken up :) Jan 01 13:35:49 heh Jan 01 13:35:58 you guys hit it harder than me last night I bet :) Jan 01 13:36:23 added 64x64 into the checking Jan 01 13:36:26 I didn't get home until 4am :/ Jan 01 13:36:50 And I've been awake for about half an ahour, it's 01:36 at the moment. Jan 01 13:36:57 whats the key for the default icon? Jan 01 13:37:11 key? Jan 01 13:37:16 name Jan 01 13:37:35 ah the four blue blocks and one green block or whatever? Jan 01 13:37:41 johnx: bad hangover here Jan 01 13:37:41 yeah Jan 01 13:37:55 Stskeeps, tsk tsk Jan 01 13:38:07 saw you talking about how drunk you were in the scrollback :) Jan 01 13:40:32 mm, can't remember that part Jan 01 13:40:47 :D Jan 01 13:42:22 that's why they invented IRC logs Jan 01 13:42:33 timeless, you are one of the ancient gods :D if i was wanting the default menu icon for applicaitons, how would i find it Jan 01 13:43:06 irc.changelog: "added logs and scrollback for january 1st 2009 pisstake of stskeeps Jan 01 13:49:04 I have this nasty feeling I'm going to lose my domain name O_O Jan 01 13:49:10 eh? Jan 01 13:49:13 why? Jan 01 13:49:20 It says "Pending Expiration" and I can't renew it .. Jan 01 13:49:24 Crappy GoDaddy website. Jan 01 13:49:30 aaah, godaddy Jan 01 13:49:40 canceled that inside the first month Jan 01 13:49:58 even I'm not stingy enough to put up with it Jan 01 13:50:40 thats better: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_134910.gary.scr.png Jan 01 13:50:49 timeless, doesn't matter ;) solved it Jan 01 13:51:46 * lcuk has godaddy :$ Jan 01 13:51:58 for hosting? Jan 01 13:51:59 gah Jan 01 13:52:00 the pain Jan 01 13:52:24 never bothered me so far, im gonna get a dedi box one day soon, i need to run my code up there asap :) Jan 01 13:52:51 I had personalsites for a while but then they got absorbed and had reliability issues so I canceled Jan 01 13:53:21 anyone know a cheap host for basically a personal blog? Jan 01 13:53:30 looking for ~$5 a month Jan 01 13:53:32 slashdot Jan 01 13:53:48 errr...not something pre-setup. I want to run drupal on it Jan 01 13:54:00 http://www.maemopeople.org/ Jan 01 13:54:03 ahh Jan 01 13:54:07 then you want a personal site Jan 01 13:54:39 I didn't realise you were a brit lcuk :) Jan 01 13:54:40 web, php, mysql Jan 01 13:54:59 I should have guessed from the name really O_O Jan 01 13:55:02 alterego, yeah, why how did you find out Jan 01 13:55:10 which name? lcuk? Jan 01 13:55:16 The video on the liqbase :) Jan 01 13:55:20 ahhh yes :) Jan 01 13:55:21 Yes, lc(uk) ;) Jan 01 13:55:34 lc==liquidcoooled==slashdot nick Jan 01 13:55:41 Ah :) Jan 01 13:55:54 it was never meant to stay, but i kinda like it Jan 01 13:55:59 In that video, who are you giving the talk to? Jan 01 13:56:18 which video, the big one with people near me? that was at the summit in berlin Jan 01 13:57:04 :) the first time ive stood up infront of my peers and delivered a presentation, i'd tried a coupel of times before this year but that one i managed it Jan 01 13:57:10 * lcuk was shitting bricks Jan 01 13:57:32 It's the first one on the website, where you're using the projector. Jan 01 13:57:40 yeah Jan 01 13:57:52 Well, you seem to be doing very well :) Jan 01 13:57:55 maemo summit, c-base Jan 01 13:58:09 i found the trick, im not presenting to 200 people, im talking to 1 Jan 01 13:58:42 if i focus on one person and speak directly to them it works and doesnt matter whats happening behind me (as you can see at the start when i dont notice im off Jan 01 13:58:52 I'm gonna watch the other maemo summit videos now :) Jan 01 13:59:09 yeah Jan 01 13:59:31 lcuk, aaah...I finally get what screenie from the tabletui blog you're implementing :D Jan 01 13:59:49 heh Jan 01 13:59:50 :) Jan 01 13:59:57 digging through my rss feeds Jan 01 14:00:15 lcuk's a proper Lancashire lad Jan 01 14:00:20 What language is liqbase written in lcuk? Jan 01 14:00:24 northern Jan 01 14:00:32 Whippet++ Jan 01 14:00:35 :D Jan 01 14:00:47 Heh Jan 01 14:00:49 Oooh, there must be a programming language called Whippet. Jan 01 14:00:54 If not, there soon will be ;-) Jan 01 14:00:59 Heh Jan 01 14:01:00 if not, there will be soon, my dialect of c Jan 01 14:02:04 jaffa, what do you think of this as a first attempt - im reading the default menus http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_134910.gary.scr.png Jan 01 14:03:30 lcuk: if you implemented it outside of liqbase, you could make a navigator plugin .. Jan 01 14:03:39 Replace the _actual_ application menu .. Jan 01 14:05:44 alterego, who gives a fuck about that, seriously? Jan 01 14:05:54 me Jan 01 14:05:56 theres some other things i need to put in, having quick access to certain tablet features will be essential, maybe you are right though Jan 01 14:06:22 crashanddie: sorry? Jan 01 14:06:37 "who gives a fuck" about what crashanddie? Jan 01 14:06:56 crashanddie, go nurse your hangover Jan 01 14:07:10 oh ffs, alterego, step down from your pedestal and see sarcasm Jan 01 14:07:21 O_o Jan 01 14:07:23 *happy new year* Jan 01 14:07:40 crashanddie: sarcasm doesn't transmit well over the internet. Jan 01 14:07:42 yeah, my sarcasm detector failed to ping too Jan 01 14:07:47 today is meant to be holding head and moaning softly, dont fight :'( Jan 01 14:07:57 I'm not fighting :) Jan 01 14:08:03 I just don't know what he was talking about. Jan 01 14:08:06 who's fighting? Jan 01 14:08:11 And it was obviously directed right at me .. Jan 01 14:08:16 alterego, replacing the "actual" application menu Jan 01 14:08:18 sorry, suckerpunching Jan 01 14:08:31 yeah it will be good to replace the default one Jan 01 14:08:40 Right. Jan 01 14:08:59 I kinda like the default layout except with drag-to-scroll instead of those stupid buttons Jan 01 14:09:04 Well, I "give a fuck" about it. I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. Jan 01 14:09:28 the only thing i need since we are in tablet format are things like quicksketch and camera and stuff, those are essential to using tablet in new places and situations Jan 01 14:09:53 yeah johnx i do agree Jan 01 14:10:07 now i have the data i can look at manipulating it and seeing which works Jan 01 14:10:29 and I think I'd love a mac-style (column-based) file manager as well :) Jan 01 14:10:32 maybe a single continuous list of all apps with kinetics, highlighting one of the menus on the left will scroll to the top of that bit of list Jan 01 14:10:55 johnx: re blog, just go for blogspot or something :P Jan 01 14:10:58 at least now i have a dataset :) Jan 01 14:11:25 Stskeeps, yeah, I know. but I have delusions of grandeur: forums and galleries and some fancy custom bits :/ Jan 01 14:11:43 does anyone have any idea what icon i should have for liqsketch? Jan 01 14:12:03 I can picture it :) Jan 01 14:12:22 your site or the icon? Jan 01 14:12:28 the icon Jan 01 14:12:29 :D Jan 01 14:12:35 oooh, sketch it then Jan 01 14:12:40 a stylized tablet with ls written on it in cursive Jan 01 14:12:43 Heh Jan 01 14:13:29 qwerty12_N800, just the man, this should make you smile on new years day: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_134910.gary.scr.png Jan 01 14:14:04 by the way, i cant believe how much better liqbase looks with a sane desktop image behind it Jan 01 14:14:12 the whole menus are pretty now Jan 01 14:14:18 lcuk, shit! Jan 01 14:14:30 Looking good :) Jan 01 14:15:21 You don't happen to have a *cough* beta testing programme by any chance? :D Jan 01 14:15:23 now, how do i fire off an executable if i have its .desktop file? Jan 01 14:15:52 not yet, theres no kinetics or anything - couple of days to work out specifics, ive also gotta make liqbase hide when i run an app Jan 01 14:16:25 I don't get you, does it actually run apps? Jan 01 14:16:40 it will once i answer the problem just there ^ Jan 01 14:16:44 now, how do i fire off an executable if i have its .desktop file? Jan 01 14:17:14 do i just run the exec= line and hope for the best? Jan 01 14:17:20 or do i need to do osso type stuff Jan 01 14:17:42 Happy New Year all Jan 01 14:17:52 yeah, you need to hildonize it Jan 01 14:17:54 happy new year linuxcode :) Jan 01 14:17:57 If there is an osso service line, it has prority over the exec line Jan 01 14:18:02 ;-D Jan 01 14:18:15 qwerty12_N800, i would rather just call some api to say "run liqbase.desktop" Jan 01 14:18:26 or whatever it is Jan 01 14:18:44 lcuk, double click on it, or select it from the menu :D Jan 01 14:18:48 lcuk: so you're doing the tabletui one? Jan 01 14:19:35 kindof, its been in mind for ages since i did the physics view images thing, ive always wanted to fire off things you lot have made. Jan 01 14:20:25 the tabletui one has resparked interest because i knew liqbase could handle it, and ive parsed the default menu tree to see how it looks Jan 01 14:20:51 i dont need to reinvent the wheel, theres already a controlpanel UI for setting up menus - might as well use whats there :) Jan 01 14:21:03 *nod* Jan 01 14:21:06 same goes for the desktop background Jan 01 14:22:47 lcuk, like this, but less ugly: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Sketch0sketch.png Jan 01 14:22:55 lcuk: The idea seems to be going to the right direction. Kudos. and good luck on taking it to the end. Jan 01 14:22:57 well, it seems a bit like they're going away from hildon-desktop Jan 01 14:23:06 as we know it, at least Jan 01 14:23:13 konttori, :) Jan 01 14:23:45 johnx, please, please, please make a program to go with that concept :P Jan 01 14:23:47 Stslaptop, should I do liqbase-desktop-env? Jan 01 14:24:01 johnx, cool Jan 01 14:24:01 qwerty12_N800, hmm? what concept? Jan 01 14:24:02 johnx: hehe Jan 01 14:24:30 johnx, the picture but I think I misread >.< Jan 01 14:24:34 qwerty12_N800, it's an icon for lcuk's liqsketch Jan 01 14:24:43 there's already a program :) Jan 01 14:24:45 i hate building things in old liqbase though, i wish i had finished the new cell/tile class properly Jan 01 14:24:48 johnx: i wonder if it would be possible to have liqbase as backend for matchbox2.. :P Jan 01 14:25:06 johnx, oh, I thought that was your idea of a launcher :) Jan 01 14:25:25 aah, just write in cursive to launch an app? Jan 01 14:25:41 now...hmm...that's kinda interesting Jan 01 14:26:06 qwerty12_N800, thats an icon for liqsketch (note, specific app instead of all in one, i *MUST* split this lot off soon. my mind hurts with the brainfuck i have to go through to do complex stuff in it Jan 01 14:26:26 :/ Jan 01 14:26:28 stroke recognition should do it Jan 01 14:26:55 lcuk: looking good Jan 01 14:27:01 lcuk, good to hear it's being split up a little. hopefully on nice logical divisions Jan 01 14:27:05 by the way, in a kinetic editor, if you do a stroke up down it should scroll, but if you do a side to side stroke it should start to select. does that sound reasonable Jan 01 14:27:12 yes Jan 01 14:27:55 yeah, makes sense Jan 01 14:28:00 johnx, ive got half of a new build of liqbase here with clearly defined library files and all the media and style and cell classes usign reference counting Jan 01 14:28:34 so i dont have to explicitely define allocate and free things, they can just be created shared linked and unlinked without messing Jan 01 14:28:55 johnx: fatalsaint played around a bit and start-hildon works fine as x-session-manager Jan 01 14:29:08 of course :) Jan 01 14:29:12 I expected as much Jan 01 14:29:36 "x-session-manager" does far less than people think it does Jan 01 14:29:45 he made a good startx script too for init.d Jan 01 14:29:48 http://rafb.net/p/2WKc2k55.html Jan 01 14:30:01 ah, great Jan 01 14:30:19 any possibility of wrapping those two bits into a deb package? Jan 01 14:30:31 (S99startx) Jan 01 14:30:31 yeah, definitely later tonight :) Jan 01 14:30:40 alright Jan 01 14:31:00 things should be a lot easier once we've moved things into 'user', so :P Jan 01 14:31:29 you mean $user I hope, not 'user' :| Jan 01 14:31:56 you sound more and more like kot every day :P Jan 01 14:32:04 me? Jan 01 14:32:09 well, starting initially as 'user' and then making a username rename i guess Jan 01 14:32:20 and doing ln -s /home/user /home/realuser, or something Jan 01 14:32:35 all good questions Jan 01 14:32:36 :P Jan 01 14:32:39 ugh Jan 01 14:33:01 (feel free to come up with a way. im hungover and can not be relied on for information :P) Jan 01 14:33:11 a startup wizard is ok too :P Jan 01 14:33:20 I'll do the basics and then play with zenity for "first run" Jan 01 14:33:33 I can basically picture how it will work Jan 01 14:33:38 alright Jan 01 14:33:40 yes johnx :D Jan 01 14:34:22 lcuk, if you say so... Jan 01 14:34:31 heh Jan 01 14:35:15 certainly not a bad thing: the conscience thinking about best practices Jan 01 14:35:55 ah, that. that's an entirely a practical PITA that I've been fighting for a while. :P Jan 01 14:36:34 heh Jan 01 14:37:41 grrr...stupid cheap sd cards Jan 01 14:39:33 dead sd again? Jan 01 14:40:17 might have already kvetched about this one before. it came back to life briefly after I switched from the 48MHz kernel back to the Nokia one, but now it's really out Jan 01 14:41:14 and I'm out my copy of HHGttG :( Jan 01 14:41:37 book, radio show or? Jan 01 14:41:43 radio show Jan 01 14:41:51 adata-- Jan 01 14:41:54 transcend++ Jan 01 14:43:01 and as for the 'or' I'll never let any copy of the movie near any of my devices Jan 01 14:44:00 :) Jan 01 14:44:06 * aquatix loves the books Jan 01 14:44:13 didn't listen to the show yet Jan 01 14:44:21 the books are great and the radio show is a lot of fun Jan 01 14:44:58 I kept trying to like audiobooks and kept hating them, but the radio show is quite well done Jan 01 14:45:07 really a different thing altogether Jan 01 14:45:08 hehe Jan 01 14:46:18 :) Jan 01 14:46:31 * aquatix generally only listens to music when doing audio Jan 01 14:50:06 * Stskeeps tries to build vte and osso-xterm Jan 01 14:51:07 Build vte from the osso-xterm trunk, unless you're building a fremantle version Jan 01 14:52:02 there isnt a fremantle version though :P Jan 01 14:52:12 and got a source package for that? Jan 01 14:52:17 what's the difference? Jan 01 14:52:53 Arr, the diablo version has a bug in it where it cannot discern from grey + black properly Jan 01 14:52:57 ah Jan 01 14:53:30 no src package, svn export and make one yourself :P (it's already debianized) Jan 01 14:53:34 mm Jan 01 15:00:44 god, new libtool stuff really messes up maemo things.. Jan 01 15:01:00 more -shared stuff? Jan 01 15:03:53 johnx: http://rafb.net/p/ZlHDdD84.html Jan 01 15:05:06 some kind of horrible substitution fail? Jan 01 15:05:52 not sure Jan 01 15:06:37 qwerty12_N800: any clue on those errors? Jan 01 15:07:32 that stuff with the X prefixed reminds me of what you do in an sh script to see whether a var is empty Jan 01 15:07:37 Stskeeps, no idea, if the same happens in MER-ARMEL target in sbox, i can take a look in an hour Jan 01 15:08:15 k Jan 01 15:08:18 yeah, it does Jan 01 15:18:51 -- probably because libtool is libtool 1.5 in scratchbox, and libtool 2 in rootstrap.. Jan 01 15:22:47 Hmm, I think I'll setup a temporary debian repository for ruby-maemo .. Jan 01 15:22:53 Until I get extras access. Jan 01 15:25:07 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_152419.gary.scr.png Jan 01 15:25:13 $*%^ the ridiculous lack of central heating in my apartment O_o Jan 01 15:25:25 johnx, ive added a bit of color to the icon and made the edges transparent Jan 01 15:25:35 oh no :P I didn't mean for you to use that unmodified Jan 01 15:25:38 * johnx kries Jan 01 15:25:46 I'll make you a better one later Jan 01 15:25:49 promise Jan 01 15:25:55 its fine, its better than a blank square :) Jan 01 15:26:14 dont fret, 1000000% better than mine, i wouldv just drawn a stickman as usual Jan 01 15:26:37 the icons look better done to aspect Jan 01 15:27:08 ooops, can be 10% bigger Jan 01 15:27:10 definitely. you're still not ending up with the same mauku icon as in the hildon main menu Jan 01 15:28:08 with white border? Jan 01 15:28:26 lcuk: that last screeny looks much better :P Jan 01 15:28:48 Oh, I see what you've done. Jan 01 15:29:08 aaah, I didn't even notice Jan 01 15:30:13 The rows of icons are actually from the listed groups :) Jan 01 15:30:27 I thought you were doing it just like the ui improv. blog article. Jan 01 15:30:30 yeah, but thats not gonna stay, im just trying to see what things look like with real data Jan 01 15:30:59 the icons will end up as a kinetic list, clicking a menu item on the left will just scroll to Jan 01 15:31:11 Cool Jan 01 15:31:13 if you look in liqbase at the graffitiview, it has resizable tiled list Jan 01 15:31:20 I'm gonna order a pizza. :) Jan 01 15:31:41 sounds reasonable, hawaiian for me Jan 01 15:31:58 wow here pizzeria are closed Jan 01 15:32:15 here everything is closed O_o Jan 01 15:33:00 im thinking of breaking in the restauarant and make myself the meal Jan 01 15:34:08 or borrow their oven Jan 01 15:34:30 mm. bacon chips. Jan 01 15:35:25 tuna sandwich for me :) Jan 01 15:36:33 why on earth does the compiler provide its own libtool.. Jan 01 15:37:15 because the world is out to get you Jan 01 15:37:27 didn't you figure that out fighting scratchbox? Jan 01 15:37:30 mm. Jan 01 15:37:51 question no 2 is however .. why doesn't vte build under this libtool then? :P Jan 01 15:38:51 * Stskeeps gives up for now Jan 01 15:39:03 gah! i wanna actually start the items off in the menu Jan 01 15:39:38 lcuk, steal fiferboy's code :P. he launches programs really well Jan 01 15:39:53 good idea, and he also gets the menu list from same place doesnt he Jan 01 15:40:19 yeah, it has an option to add desktop items Jan 01 15:40:45 + he lets you launch via dbus if the program haz a service file Jan 01 15:44:37 yeah, reading fn now Jan 01 15:46:32 huh...google street view came within 5 blocks of my apartment O_o Jan 01 15:46:50 hehe Jan 01 15:46:56 they're getting closer to finding you, johnx ;> Jan 01 15:47:01 yeah Jan 01 15:47:04 they then realised you lived nearby and hotfooted it out of there before the cameras broke Jan 01 15:47:06 I'll have to move O_o Jan 01 15:47:27 ahaha...before I hax0red their cameras Jan 01 15:48:01 they got to the bus stop down the street though. madness. they've seen my car parked at my parents' house more recently than I have :D Jan 01 15:51:04 if they had this earlier I could have just sat in the states and visited Japan with streetview :P Jan 01 15:59:27 Stskeeps, think the init.d startx thing should Provides: x-display-manager ? Jan 01 16:00:43 Hildon-input-method works now in midori too Jan 01 16:01:13 * Meiz_n810 is chatting from Mer :) Jan 01 16:01:16 moo all Jan 01 16:01:20 moo Jan 01 16:01:35 johnx,lcuk,meiz,qwerty: reMOO Jan 01 16:01:47 hey RST38h :) Jan 01 16:02:03 very cool Meiz_n810 :) using a hildonized xchat? or what? Jan 01 16:02:05 hi RST38h :) Jan 01 16:02:19 johnx: qwerty compiled xchat for mer Jan 01 16:03:06 what controls hw-keymap in maemo? Jan 01 16:03:11 RST38h, HNYmoo Jan 01 16:03:18 h-i-m? Jan 01 16:03:50 * RST38h is just back from the downtown Jan 01 16:04:02 Stskeeps: network-manager-gnome shoud work? Jan 01 16:04:33 it stays scrolling... and after a minute, it gives up Jan 01 16:05:02 johnx: yeah, guess so Jan 01 16:05:06 Meiz_n810, new one is somewhere Jan 01 16:05:20 Meiz_n810: no clue. /etc/network/interfaces should :P Jan 01 16:05:20 wlan works with iwconfig at least Jan 01 16:05:23 I've 2.8.6 Jan 01 16:05:24 k Jan 01 16:05:25 or iwconfig Jan 01 16:05:26 Stskeeps, hmm...or maybe better to conflict with x-display-manager :) Jan 01 16:05:34 provides, conflicts Jan 01 16:05:38 or something Jan 01 16:05:38 :P Jan 01 16:05:42 Stskeeps, what abt wpa-supplicant? Jan 01 16:05:46 AStorm: works too Jan 01 16:06:13 great Jan 01 16:06:16 but that's worked for a loooong time :P Jan 01 16:06:31 in other news, my gfx code is finally working well Jan 01 16:06:34 resizing and all Jan 01 16:06:44 and obviously I had to implement a Canvas Jan 01 16:06:54 as GTK is broken in this regard Jan 01 16:07:14 no back-buffered canvas in default GTK Jan 01 16:07:24 does libsexy have one? Jan 01 16:10:02 ok, no reason to provide x-display-manager: nothing depends on it :) but conflicting with it is probably "the right thing" Jan 01 16:14:41 huh? Jan 01 16:14:51 johnx: k Jan 01 16:15:22 Stskeeps, btw, do you know how to run WPA2 adhoc with wpa-supplicant? Jan 01 16:15:26 AStorm, Mer stuff. we have an init script to run startx...but it's not really providing the same thing as a display manager Jan 01 16:15:37 uhm...isn't that impossible? Jan 01 16:15:47 to use wpa1 or 2 w/ ad-hoc? Jan 01 16:15:56 maybe it is... Jan 01 16:16:05 no idea myself Jan 01 16:16:12 AStorm: i have wpa2 and it's simple with /etc/network/interfaces Jan 01 16:16:13 :P Jan 01 16:16:19 oh Jan 01 16:16:20 adho Jan 01 16:16:21 c Jan 01 16:16:22 no clue Jan 01 16:25:36 humm, bug in fiferboy's launcher - i think hes not freeing memory created when executing. Jan 01 16:33:50 Happy New Year, everybody. Jan 01 16:34:00 happy new year GAN8001 Jan 01 16:34:07 HNY, GAN Jan 01 16:34:08 happy new year GAN8001 ! Jan 01 16:34:16 happy new year GAN8001 Jan 01 16:34:17 * lcuk makes a macro Jan 01 16:34:22 * GAN8001 had the best night's sleep ever. Jan 01 16:34:34 I will tonight Jan 01 16:34:46 that was my resolution: "get a really good night's sleep on the 2nd" Jan 01 16:35:41 After a 10-hour day on the 31st, I wasn't going to be able to go out last night. Jan 01 16:35:55 my resolution was spell check everything and make stuff look pretty, 1/2 aint bad ;) Jan 01 16:36:04 GAN8001: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_152419.gary.scr.png :) Jan 01 16:36:15 Ha Jan 01 16:36:18 liqos Jan 01 16:36:57 gan, ive been wondering about what you said about pretty backgrounds, and thought why not just find out what background the user has :) Jan 01 16:37:11 Ha! Perfect! Jan 01 16:37:12 hey Jan 01 16:37:22 hiya AStorm Jan 01 16:37:26 Happy New Year! Jan 01 16:37:30 do you know where I can get micro USB a plug to USB A socket? Jan 01 16:37:44 *micro USB A Jan 01 16:37:51 you know, for n810 Jan 01 16:37:54 HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!! Jan 01 16:38:19 ~usb-host Jan 01 16:38:24 ~usb-host is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode Jan 01 16:38:25 okay, GAN8001 Jan 01 16:38:33 GAN800, host mode is simple Jan 01 16:38:37 but I need a cable Jan 01 16:38:57 and I don't want to make one myself Jan 01 16:39:06 though if forced, I can do that Jan 01 16:39:15 the wiki has the cable :) Jan 01 16:39:28 AStorm, read the link before you dismiss it. :) Jan 01 16:39:47 how do i free a g_string thing allocated with something like g_strjoin Jan 01 16:39:59 but you need two it seems: micro-a -> mini-a then a mini-a -> full-sized A Jan 01 16:40:00 g_free Jan 01 16:40:03 ta :) Jan 01 16:40:10 johnx, meh Jan 01 16:40:27 then I'll make one myself Jan 01 16:40:36 will be much more compact Jan 01 16:41:22 and I can make OTG one too Jan 01 16:42:26 guess I'll just cut that micro-mini adapter and usb A "extender" Jan 01 16:42:41 or just buy a USB A socket Jan 01 16:43:21 I keep remembering the little things that make me keep waiting on a pandora even after all the pain :) Jan 01 16:44:49 like what things? Jan 01 16:45:01 full sized usb A port w/ 500mA Jan 01 16:45:18 johnx, meh, pandora will be too large for my pockets Jan 01 16:45:27 get bigger pants Jan 01 16:45:31 I want micro SDHC in n900 Jan 01 16:45:38 johnx, mwhaha Jan 01 16:45:54 that won't help if it's large Jan 01 16:46:00 you don't skip new gadgets because they won't fit your current case, do you? Jan 01 16:46:03 AStorm <-- heretic Jan 01 16:46:13 I am sure you also want just ONE MicroSDHC? ;) Jan 01 16:46:21 no Jan 01 16:46:28 possibly many Jan 01 16:46:32 two full sized SDHC cards wins :) Jan 01 16:46:36 4 for example :) Jan 01 16:46:43 nah Jan 01 16:46:52 full sized is too large Jan 01 16:46:55 AStorm: See? Wanting a MicroSDHC will not get you any friends here =) Jan 01 16:47:05 and as for the scale of the pandora: it's about the length and width of an n800 and thickness of a zaurus or so Jan 01 16:47:07 nobody uses full sized anymore Jan 01 16:47:11 Seriously though, I do not think full SDHC is that large Jan 01 16:47:15 find me a cell phone that does Jan 01 16:47:27 Digital cameras all use it Jan 01 16:47:29 AStorm, find a camera that uses microSDHC Jan 01 16:47:35 meh Jan 01 16:47:40 upsizing is easy Jan 01 16:47:41 I'd go for 2 or 3 MicroSD over fullsize Jan 01 16:47:45 and cameras have usb Jan 01 16:47:46 :P Jan 01 16:47:52 exactly Jan 01 16:48:01 you'll get one microSDHC :P Jan 01 16:48:10 one is meh Jan 01 16:48:11 johnx, Eye-Fi! :D Jan 01 16:48:11 I'd go for slots that actually work. Jan 01 16:48:13 that I can say with 80% certainty Jan 01 16:48:16 Yeah, Nokia is stupid. Jan 01 16:48:17 two are best for switching Jan 01 16:48:28 it's like with dual sim phones Jan 01 16:48:31 The internal slot on my N800 could never actually keep the card in the slot. Jan 01 16:48:31 At least we can hope for a lot of built-in storage Jan 01 16:48:37 that is really a moot point to discuss - an n810 could easily accommodate either full or micro SDHC Jan 01 16:48:43 derf, er? Jan 01 16:48:46 derf, mechanical failure Jan 01 16:48:48 fixable Jan 01 16:48:53 well the flipside is 32GB builtin :) Jan 01 16:48:54 derf, both of mine work perfectly. Jan 01 16:49:00 RST38h, yes Jan 01 16:49:17 and I think these 10€ more wouldn't hurt Jan 01 16:49:23 the only reason for nokia to choose micro sdhc is to keep it standard across their product line Jan 01 16:49:28 (for card + second slot) Jan 01 16:49:31 And the miniSD slot on my N810 won't stay closed. Jan 01 16:49:42 (instead of bulk chips) Jan 01 16:49:47 So the card comes loose. Jan 01 16:49:48 * johnx kinda hates those adapter cards Jan 01 16:49:51 derf, what did you do to it? Jan 01 16:50:00 mine is all fine Jan 01 16:50:02 I didn't do anything to it. Jan 01 16:50:06 derf: lock it with the kick stand and forget about it Jan 01 16:50:18 it does feel flimsy to me too Jan 01 16:50:18 RST38h: I can barely get the kick stand closed with a card in it. Jan 01 16:50:25 wow Jan 01 16:50:28 Yes. Jan 01 16:50:32 minisd is dead anyway Jan 01 16:50:34 something is wrong. Jan 01 16:50:35 derf, inco mpliant card then Jan 01 16:50:49 your card is probably not pushed all the way in Jan 01 16:50:54 sell it and buy a compliant one :) Jan 01 16:51:03 My card is pushed all the way in. Jan 01 16:51:04 yes, or that Jan 01 16:51:08 it has to click in Jan 01 16:51:19 der: it is weird, should not happen really Jan 01 16:51:22 (a bit deep) Jan 01 16:51:29 It can be read just fine. Until it gets jostled, and then it can't. Jan 01 16:51:29 even if it is broken it can't be broken this way Jan 01 16:51:39 yup Jan 01 16:51:53 derf, you really haven't pushed it all in Jan 01 16:51:58 Yes, I really have. Jan 01 16:52:02 it goes very deep Jan 01 16:52:37 I think your card is just a different size. Jan 01 16:52:47 about 0.5 mm deeper than edge of socket Jan 01 16:53:10 compliant SDHC miniSDHC adapter by kingston :) Jan 01 16:53:24 Micro to mini Jan 01 16:53:35 And mine is an adapter from Sandisk. Jan 01 16:53:45 sounds safe enough Jan 01 16:53:50 You would think, wouldn't you. Jan 01 16:53:55 derf, hmmh? Jan 01 16:54:13 if it's the one I know, you didn't push it all the way in Jan 01 16:54:25 it goes *really* deep Jan 01 16:54:34 Okay, telling me the same thing over and over again is not really helpful. Jan 01 16:54:36 hard to push it w/o fingernails Jan 01 16:54:45 I have fingernails. I know how to push on something. Jan 01 16:54:54 weird Jan 01 16:54:59 then your slot is damaged Jan 01 16:55:14 probably the spring is broken Jan 01 16:55:19 Quite possibly. But it wasn't by me. Jan 01 16:55:21 does it "click"? Jan 01 16:55:25 No, it doesn't. Jan 01 16:55:34 ok, so that's broken Jan 01 16:55:40 Which was my original point. Jan 01 16:55:57 The slots are all well and good, but if they don't actually work, they're useless. Jan 01 16:56:08 uhm? Jan 01 16:56:13 yours are broken Jan 01 16:56:15 mechanically Jan 01 16:56:47 Tear in Mer: *** glibc detected *** tear: free(): invalid pointer: 0x000c10f4 *** Jan 01 16:56:51 And a mechanical failure is worse than some other kind of failure? Jan 01 16:56:54 Or better? Jan 01 16:57:13 you have to take the device apart to attempt fixing Jan 01 16:57:31 a worse one would be electrical failure frying your cards :P Jan 01 16:57:46 or send it back to Nokia and make them fix it :) Jan 01 16:57:48 or bent pins Jan 01 16:57:54 johnx++ :\ Jan 01 16:57:59 johnx: Probably a bit late for that. Jan 01 16:58:02 uhm, connections Jan 01 16:58:18 anyway, surgery is necessary Jan 01 16:58:27 it's been not working for a whole year? would have driven me nuts inside a week Jan 01 16:58:53 The 2 GB internal card was fine for a while. Jan 01 16:58:59 nothing duct tape can't fix Jan 01 16:59:01 :P Jan 01 16:59:04 I didn't bother buying a new one until it was cheap. Jan 01 17:00:01 Meiz_n810: mm, was it built using vala or? Jan 01 17:00:13 mmmh. vala Jan 01 17:02:22 Stskeeps, had any luck with vte? Jan 01 17:02:31 Stskeeps. ask benson :P Jan 01 17:05:00 Stskeeps, btw, are there vala GTK bindings? Jan 01 17:05:10 also, can I write a vala kernel? :P Jan 01 17:05:42 well, you can write anything you want :) Jan 01 17:05:50 ~ping Jan 01 17:05:50 ~pong Jan 01 17:07:23 Khertan_n810: ping Jan 01 17:07:44 qwerty12: no sorry, seems like there's a bit of libtool confusion, though i'm not sure how Jan 01 17:08:06 you're welcome to investigate O_o Jan 01 17:08:14 i had to give up as my head started hurting Jan 01 17:08:22 :/. May as well try here for fun while my N800 untars metasploit :) Jan 01 17:08:24 if someone runs hildon hometools -> http://www.cynapses.org/tmp/patches/maemo/hometools.patch Jan 01 17:08:24 hehe Jan 01 17:08:33 johnx, it uses glib Jan 01 17:08:47 I want a real separate language Jan 01 17:09:14 like Haskell Jan 01 17:09:14 compilability to C is ok, but it has to be standalone Jan 01 17:09:25 I was more referring to the fact that you can write anything you want...but it might not necessarily run :) Jan 01 17:14:15 Stskeeps, meh, it's whining about wanting autoconf 2.60. can't find any mention of 2.60 in the source so I can at least change it so fuck it (trunk version btw) Jan 01 17:14:47 * GAN8001 still needs to write blogs posts. Jan 01 17:17:59 qwerty12: grab the build dependancies? :P Jan 01 17:18:05 Stskeeps, have done so. Jan 01 17:18:42 its awfully tiresome to open and close liqmenu - takes on the order of 2 whole seconds to bring up a menu from cold start Jan 01 17:18:46 thats pisspoor Jan 01 17:19:26 (btw, it opens things for me now :P) Jan 01 17:21:10 lcuk: scanning .desktop files? Cache the data in an SQLite db and use a quick date stamp check to see if any are new/different Jan 01 17:21:45 nahhh jaffa, its combination of everything, no point in more complex than it needs to be Jan 01 17:22:30 at present im just opening liqbase, showing menu and closing fully to let the app through, no point in doing that forever, you've seen the speed internal run modules work, ill just keep liqmenu around Jan 01 17:22:42 fair nuf Jan 01 17:22:52 it just adds even more complexity Jan 01 17:22:58 cos theres also things like icon files Jan 01 17:34:15 alright, I have an init script that should now run a (yet-to-be-written) first-run-wizard, then startx normally. will finish and upload tomorrow Jan 01 17:34:24 qwerty12: and it's gnome-pkg-tools that does the autoconf stuff Jan 01 17:35:09 Stskeeps, yeah, I had that installed. The trace file it left me with showed where it was getting 2.60 from. edited the files in question to no avail Jan 01 17:40:02 Community Highlight: December pt. 2 - Fremantle pre-alpha, Mer, Hardware rumors (maybe?), . . . Jan 01 17:40:05 What am I missing? Jan 01 17:41:45 ~ping Jan 01 17:41:46 ~pong Jan 01 17:41:54 Not a connection, apparently. :P Jan 01 17:53:11 GAN8001: Nothing springs to mind Jan 01 17:53:25 what does libmatchbox2 do? Jan 01 17:53:48 Jaffa, think I should do the hardware section? Jan 01 17:54:07 Yes Jan 01 17:55:14 * Jaffa foods Jan 01 17:59:42 Meiz_n810: stuff for matchbox window manager 2.. Jan 01 17:59:59 k Jan 01 18:00:24 is the m-w-m 2 available? Jan 01 18:01:01 yeah, should be installable Jan 01 18:01:33 feel free to experiment with it Jan 01 18:02:30 what packagename? Jan 01 18:03:09 is there a battery monitors available yet? Jan 01 18:03:37 not yet, tested hildon-statusbar-battery from nokia update repositories though Jan 01 18:03:38 worked fine Jan 01 18:04:17 i'll try to test it too Jan 01 18:04:35 Anyone worked with ALSA? Jan 01 18:04:39 there's a bit of oddity with gconf we have to work a little with, though Jan 01 18:05:14 Stskeeps: is m-w-m 2 in repo? Jan 01 18:05:32 what's packagename? Jan 01 18:05:54 matchbox-window-manager-2 Jan 01 18:06:19 not found Jan 01 18:08:54 eh Jan 01 18:13:45 Meiz_n810: http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/m/matchbox-window-manager-2/ Jan 01 18:13:46 is there Jan 01 18:19:33 ok, i'll dpkg -i it. Jan 01 18:19:41 apt does not find it Jan 01 18:19:53 i have ran update... Jan 01 18:23:37 that's odd Jan 01 18:24:06 ok, you're right, there's packages missing Jan 01 18:24:20 .. if there even -is- a binary Jan 01 18:24:28 really look likes there's not Jan 01 18:24:35 is matchbox wm 2 a library? :P Jan 01 18:24:47 Stskeeps, matchbox window manager, is that a repalcement for x11 or something that sits ontop Jan 01 18:24:55 on top Jan 01 18:25:08 so then you also sit gnome ontop of that? Jan 01 18:25:13 if desired Jan 01 18:25:27 or sugar Jan 01 18:25:52 a window manager is exactly what it sounds like :P Jan 01 18:26:01 it manages windows, placements, etc :P Jan 01 18:26:09 x11 does that though doesnt it Jan 01 18:27:17 tis ok, i see Jan 01 18:27:29 apt-check that runs automatically every 10 min. is annoying :( Jan 01 18:27:51 eh? :P Jan 01 18:28:12 its ok Jan 01 18:29:55 Stskeeps, ive always thought x11 was the window manager, since like umm you create windows in it and it manages the events and stuff Jan 01 18:30:06 now i see its just a generic core Jan 01 18:30:56 yeah Jan 01 18:34:25 lcuk: if matchbox window manager 2 is a library.. then you could probably write liqwm ;> Jan 01 18:34:43 the problem i have is the display layer Jan 01 18:35:07 apt-check eats a lot of memory Jan 01 18:35:07 thats always been the heel and ivek nown it since i started this damned project :) Jan 01 18:35:30 but im learning and shall evolve :) Jan 01 18:36:17 * alterego burps Jan 01 18:36:30 I decided to have steak instead of pizza :) Jan 01 18:36:32 It was nice :D Jan 01 18:36:37 Meiz_n810: the update notifier is active in mer? .. Jan 01 18:38:20 Stskeeps: i don't know but there is apt-check that run automatically, and it makes the whole tablet laggy (it eats memory...) Jan 01 18:38:37 really annoying Jan 01 18:40:45 Meiz_n810: interesting Jan 01 18:40:53 figure out where it gets run i guess Jan 01 18:44:39 definately not a thing we want running :) Jan 01 18:46:55 again! Jan 01 18:47:03 i have no idea why it happens Jan 01 18:48:35 cron? Jan 01 18:50:15 when it runs next time, i'll kill cron Jan 01 18:50:23 and see if it stops Jan 01 18:50:58 k Jan 01 18:53:39 hi Jan 01 18:53:52 hi Jan 01 18:56:54 hmm.. it might be cron Jan 01 18:57:34 Do these "micro host usb otg cables" short out the required connection to allow the N8X0 to switch USB modes? Jan 01 18:58:14 what are "micro host usb otg cables"? Jan 01 18:58:32 isnt the cable independent from the mode? Jan 01 18:59:11 It's a micro usb connector on one end, and a USB socket on the other. allowing you to plug peripheral devices into your N8x0 tablets. Jan 01 18:59:47 I've been using a gender bender, but I'm thinking of purchasing a proper cable like that. Jan 01 18:59:59 better by a hub Jan 01 19:00:06 O_o Jan 01 19:00:06 alterego, depends on which one. http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_67&products_id=2043 say they do Jan 01 19:00:20 woglinde, how do you plan on connecting the hub? Jan 01 19:00:38 ????????? Jan 01 19:00:47 I have a mini hub that has a power connector. Jan 01 19:00:48 Eh. Jan 01 19:00:58 I am too Jan 01 19:01:06 and the n810 cable fit Jan 01 19:01:12 so I do not understand it Jan 01 19:01:47 In fact, the hub I have is almost identical to the one at the bottom of that page you just posted :) Jan 01 19:01:57 What don't you understand woglinde? Jan 01 19:02:16 why I need a special cable Jan 01 19:02:30 Well, you probably don't then .. Jan 01 19:03:44 Generally, if you don't understand something enough to know whether you want it or not. You don't need it. Jan 01 19:04:04 "Nokia N810: How to install Windows Mobile on N810?" omg .. Jan 01 19:04:17 hi rst Jan 01 19:04:45 ehlo Jan 01 19:05:23 Test Jan 01 19:05:56 qwerty uh this shop you mentioned seems really up to date Jan 01 19:06:07 the know about mokofreerunner and beagleboard too Jan 01 19:06:10 surprising Jan 01 19:06:23 XChat on the tablet, full screen, BT keyboard Jan 01 19:06:36 and Jan 01 19:06:47 how is the bt keyboard working? Jan 01 19:06:51 wit lag? Jan 01 19:06:54 alterego, yes, the one qwerty12 linked is OTG. Jan 01 19:07:17 woglinde, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode Jan 01 19:07:23 lag and evil repeats :( Jan 01 19:07:33 ~OTG Jan 01 19:07:40 Worth a try :) Jan 01 19:07:47 no key drops so far though Jan 01 19:08:03 ~usb-otg is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode Jan 01 19:08:04 GAN8001: okay Jan 01 19:08:14 ~otg is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go Jan 01 19:08:15 okay, GAN8001 Jan 01 19:09:03 hm the otg plugin never worked for me Jan 01 19:09:20 The adaptor is the way to do it. Jan 01 19:09:34 The software-only solutions are obnoxious. Jan 01 19:09:48 * RST38bis wonders if some linux kernel setting would fix the keyboard lag Jan 01 19:09:54 hm I never thought its cable depend Jan 01 19:10:00 It doesn't' Jan 01 19:10:06 s/doesn't'/isn't/ Jan 01 19:10:07 Jaffa meant: It isn't Jan 01 19:10:32 woglinde, the OTG cable has a pin grounded which tells the device to switch to host-mode. Jan 01 19:10:33 The cable shorts out some pins which indicates to the device that it should automatically switch itself into host mode Jan 01 19:11:03 Grr, rtcomm doesn't work :/ Jan 01 19:11:25 More detail please? Jan 01 19:11:44 It's failing to connect to my MSN messenger account. Jan 01 19:12:11 Do you use pidgin on the tablet? Jan 01 19:12:15 No Jan 01 19:12:17 jaffa/gan80001 but I can use the normal cable and plugin into a hub and will work too? Jan 01 19:12:28 I want to use rtcomm beta because I don't want to install Pidgin :P Jan 01 19:12:42 woglinde, if you switch to host mode manually. . . . Jan 01 19:12:47 okay Jan 01 19:12:49 yes Jan 01 19:12:58 alterego, install http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/libpurple0_2.4.3-1collabora1_armel.deb - qole found the solution but i edited the deb not to install the whorish pidgin-data :P Jan 01 19:13:03 luckily I know how echo is working Jan 01 19:14:46 The version I installed didn't install pidgin data either .. Jan 01 19:14:54 ~curse ALSA thrice Jan 01 19:14:55 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ALSA thrice ! Jan 01 19:15:06 alterego, But that version isn't working... Jan 01 19:15:15 rst whats wrong with alsa? Jan 01 19:15:18 Yeah, that's why I'm going to try your link :P Jan 01 19:19:52 woglinde: does not work. locks up the kernel. Jan 01 19:20:14 damnit, now I've lost the link to the diablo rtcomm package .. Jan 01 19:21:25 Thank god for browser history ^_^ Jan 01 19:27:01 woglinde, do you get pms? Jan 01 19:28:10 jepp Jan 01 19:28:52 qwerty12_N800: getting "Network error" now :/ Jan 01 19:29:23 alterego, same deb worked for me & disco_stu :/ Jan 01 19:29:46 Can you briefly tell me the steps you took please? Jan 01 19:31:12 Holy crap, it seems to run now Jan 01 19:31:58 alterego, i installed rtcomm from http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/deb/rtcomm-beta-installer-os2008_0.7_armel.deb (the site has the link to 0.5), installed http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/libpurple0_2.4.3-1collabora1_armel.deb & fixed avahi (optionally) http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2008/11/get-avahi-working-on-maemo.html Jan 01 19:32:01 On the more ominous note, New MaemoSDK+ has just arrived. Gonna break everything Jan 01 19:32:26 qwerty12_N800: thanks :) Jan 01 19:33:19 np :) Jan 01 19:36:34 YAY! Jan 01 19:36:41 * alterego gives qwerty12_N800 a smoochkiss. Jan 01 19:37:02 hehe :D Jan 01 19:37:16 I want my N800 running diablo to mount an ext3 partition on boot. putting the filesystem in /etc/fstab doesn't work because the required kernel modules aren't loaded. Is using a startup script the next-best method? Jan 01 19:37:40 i need to get back to university :$ Jan 01 19:37:57 I'm back at work on Monday, after having 4 weeks holiday ^_^ Jan 01 19:39:30 boo alterego, im back in work as well on monday Jan 01 19:39:32 that'll hurt :) Jan 01 19:39:41 * aquatix too :( Jan 01 19:41:40 * RST38bis is off until 11th of January Jan 01 19:42:01 Boo on all of you! I have to be back at work tomorrow. I had Xmas eve through today off, but Friday isn't a holiday, :P Jan 01 19:42:13 a few years ago the government has figured out that nobody gets sober enough until at least Jan 10, so they made it a big holiday Jan 01 19:42:18 * aquatix got 2nd of January off from the boss Jan 01 19:42:26 RST38bis: nice Jan 01 19:43:18 Heh Jan 01 19:43:23 aquatix: it is actually kinda hard on families Jan 01 19:43:44 Is avahi used for XMPP? Jan 01 19:43:54 aquatix: nobody works, all children at home, -15oC outside Jan 01 19:43:55 yep Jan 01 19:44:06 Ah, I guess I do want it then :) Jan 01 19:44:16 That "link-local" thing sounds groovy. Jan 01 19:44:24 I bet it's a laugh at maemo meets ^_^ Jan 01 19:44:32 i think this might be the first year ever ive not worked through xmas Jan 01 19:45:46 RST38bis: ah :/ Jan 01 19:55:34 * alterego tries to think of a use for erb in maemo .. Jan 01 20:05:33 Umgh, it clicks when it underruns the buffer Jan 01 20:07:10 * RST38bis hates alsa with passion now Jan 01 20:08:12 if your in host mode can you still install apps Jan 01 20:08:30 you can. Jan 01 20:08:50 O_O Jan 01 20:10:25 i was just trying to install a game application and got an error msg saying contact server admin Jan 01 20:12:37 Ro9u3oR, um, why would installing applications depend on USB? Jan 01 20:16:07 Some peoples ignorance makes me feel stupid O_O Jan 01 20:17:18 alterego: Never worked in user support? ;) Jan 01 20:17:45 My users are generally tech savvy ;) Jan 01 20:18:29 "Know what they are doing" savvy or "Thinking they know" savvy? Jan 01 20:18:54 Hehe Jan 01 20:19:03 Well, if they completely knew what they were doing they wouldn't be after support would they :P Jan 01 20:19:04 alterego, that's nothing. ;) Jan 01 20:20:58 ok, ive got a graphic design problem, i have an image: liqbase.net/sun.png its got transparency, but everytime i try to edit and save this with my psp it loses the transparency - i want just a glowing circle icon solid in the centre and fading at the edges (like the sun does, but as a specific circle) Jan 01 20:21:22 lcuk: Ok. You should have a Colors menu Jan 01 20:21:30 eh? Jan 01 20:21:35 i tried Jan 01 20:21:35 lcuk: And in that menu there will be a Set Transparent Color option Jan 01 20:21:40 it has transparent in psp itself Jan 01 20:21:49 i can see the grid through the edges Jan 01 20:21:53 And when you SAVE it, check save options Jan 01 20:22:03 lcuk: Check the save options then Jan 01 20:22:12 yeah i tried all the variations, from "take picture alpha" to "use single color" to fuck me in the ass Jan 01 20:22:19 i spent about 2 hours on it last night trying Jan 01 20:22:28 just switch to gif then Jan 01 20:22:31 screw png Jan 01 20:22:36 ummm :$ i cant load gif Jan 01 20:22:40 oh Jan 01 20:22:58 the sun does it right and is transparent, i just dont want the sun i just want a glowing orb Jan 01 20:23:03 so i can highlight stuffs Jan 01 20:24:13 i even managed to make my own icon transparent edged, but i cant get the fading thing to work Jan 01 20:28:24 I have got PSP now, a moment Jan 01 20:28:35 where is your png? Jan 01 20:28:46 liqbase.net/sun.png Jan 01 20:31:04 lcuk: this file already has transparent background Jan 01 20:31:20 what is the problem with it? Jan 01 20:31:43 its a sun shape Jan 01 20:31:52 i just want a blob Jan 01 20:32:20 same principle, totally see through at the edges, but in the centre fully solid Jan 01 20:32:31 have you got the blob png online? Jan 01 20:32:56 no, it wouldnt save properly Jan 01 20:33:18 save it as you can and give me the url - will see what's going on Jan 01 20:33:48 oh cripes ill have to retry it again then i vaped it in disgust Jan 01 20:34:22 it was just a soft circle brush centred over the sun Jan 01 20:34:24 Right, well. My packages are now all ready for the extras repository. Jan 01 20:34:33 I wrote my own little auto-builder to test all the deps :) Jan 01 20:38:27 alterego hehe Jan 01 20:40:55 Now all I need is access O_O Jan 01 20:41:10 lol Jan 01 20:41:26 args Jan 01 20:41:33 hm Jan 01 20:41:50 I had access within 15 minutes Jan 01 20:42:07 What do you develop? Jan 01 20:42:16 lol Jan 01 20:42:27 the admin was here Jan 01 20:42:27 woglinde: found and nudged XFade? Jan 01 20:42:31 so it was fast Jan 01 20:42:33 right Jan 01 20:42:37 Ah Jan 01 20:42:37 hehe Jan 01 20:42:41 So, what do you develop? Jan 01 20:42:45 qtnx Jan 01 20:42:51 I ported Jan 01 20:43:15 ? Jan 01 20:43:19 What did you port then .. Jan 01 20:43:29 I proted qtnx Jan 01 20:44:35 No idea what that is. Jan 01 20:44:54 you do not know the nx protocol? Jan 01 20:45:14 Should I? Jan 01 20:45:25 *g* Jan 01 20:45:32 its compressed x Jan 01 20:45:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology Jan 01 20:45:41 Oh Jan 01 20:45:43 so you have fast x connections over the inet Jan 01 20:46:01 and you can suspend and resume this x sessions Jan 01 20:46:08 How does it compare to rdesktop and VNC? Jan 01 20:46:12 faster Jan 01 20:46:24 Cool. Jan 01 20:46:35 and you can use nx as proxy for rdesktop and vnc *g* Jan 01 20:46:45 we tested over utms Jan 01 20:46:51 and it works okay Jan 01 20:46:51 Does it handle hardware acceleration? Jan 01 20:46:53 laggy Jan 01 20:46:57 Can you use OpenGL over the network? Jan 01 20:46:57 nope Jan 01 20:47:02 Oh well. Jan 01 20:47:02 not really Jan 01 20:47:12 "not really"? Jan 01 20:47:22 you can run opengl Jan 01 20:47:29 but I didnt see the output yet Jan 01 20:47:36 So, you can't then .. Jan 01 20:47:39 hm maybee I should try it Jan 01 20:47:45 some time Jan 01 20:47:57 no I meant I didnt test it yet Jan 01 20:47:59 OpenGL renders directly to video memory Jan 01 20:48:07 so you can't run it remotely Jan 01 20:48:18 you can suspend NX, but what happens if your wifi connection just dies, does it resume OK? because that's the major problem with remote X stuff Jan 01 20:48:32 Heh Jan 01 20:48:48 So it doesn't quite do what "screen" does then? :) Jan 01 20:49:48 mavhc hm should be a problem Jan 01 20:49:55 shouldnt Jan 01 20:49:59 but I didnt test yet Jan 01 20:50:11 same with umts, drops all the time Jan 01 20:50:39 hm depends where you are Jan 01 20:52:27 hi crashanddie Jan 01 20:54:05 hey woglinde Jan 01 20:58:49 RST38bis, i think i did it :$ i added a mask and stuff liqbase.net/blob.png Jan 01 21:02:40 I can't believe I didn't include libcairo bindings before .. Jan 01 21:03:06 ok Jan 01 21:03:20 * lcuk hates graphic design Jan 01 21:04:20 hehe Jan 01 21:04:21 me too Jan 01 21:04:32 lcuk: this one looks ok transparency wise Jan 01 21:04:37 * alterego likes it :P Jan 01 21:05:07 yeah it does Jan 01 21:05:25 happy new year Jan 01 21:05:51 hny, pupnik Jan 01 21:06:03 hi pupnik Jan 01 21:09:08 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090101_210813.gary.scr.png Jan 01 21:09:13 im off for a bit :) Jan 01 21:10:26 lcuk, you should make it look in more places for icons :) Jan 01 21:10:48 hello everyone Jan 01 21:10:51 yeah i should but that will come with time :) Jan 01 21:11:04 im not here though Jan 01 21:11:07 lcuk: it does not load Jan 01 21:11:19 ok it does now Jan 01 21:12:06 my rss reader seg faults when i try to open it Jan 01 21:12:19 open it with a web browser Jan 01 21:16:11 i went to a websitte clicked the rss icon told it to goto rss fead reader and now the feed handler screen is stuck open Jan 01 21:19:44 when i goto terminal and launch osso rss reader it segaults Jan 01 21:20:08 Damnit, what's the command to take a screenshot on device? Jan 01 21:20:16 "1100 vehicles have been burned in France this NY night, 30% more than the last year" Jan 01 21:20:22 osso-screenshot-tool aha :) Jan 01 21:20:34 alterego: cat /dev/fb0 >file ? Jan 01 21:20:59 Hmm, what repo is that in .. Jan 01 21:23:05 any idea why i am getting segfaults Jan 01 21:23:09 I wish people would sort out their packages in extras .. It's a mess. Jan 01 21:23:11 anything i can do Jan 01 21:23:37 Shadow_M: Don't click on RSS icons? Jan 01 21:23:48 alterego use personal menu Jan 01 21:24:03 rst but i want to use the rss reader Jan 01 21:26:23 alterego, email the maintainers if there's a package with a problem. Jan 01 21:28:37 i do no recall making any changes to the rss reader other than taking it off the desktop menu Jan 01 21:34:01 GAN8001: they probably wouldn't agree with me. I'm basically talking about how people stick libraries and stuff undier the user category so it shows up in the application manager. Jan 01 21:34:21 People should only stick things that a user _uses_ under the user category. Jan 01 21:35:53 libs and command line utilities shouldn't be in there I don't think. Jan 01 21:36:08 Well, maybe some command line utilities. Jan 01 21:36:51 alterego, well, that's enforceable. Jan 01 21:37:02 How do you mean? Jan 01 21:37:03 If they don't comply, we can simply drop the package. ;) Jan 01 21:37:20 But people aren't complying .. Jan 01 21:37:49 I've been pestering most of the maintainers about that stuff, and they've all been very agreeable. Jan 01 21:38:05 I think the application manager would be a lot better if the extras repo was stricter. Jan 01 21:38:16 Cool, well. Keep up the good work then :) Jan 01 21:38:17 alterego, we're moving in that direction Jan 01 21:38:51 So I'm not just being a pedantic bastard then :) Jan 01 21:39:00 But we've got to balance not driving people to their own repos and maintaining QA. Jan 01 21:39:42 So it's something we've got to move towards slowly Jan 01 21:39:55 Okay Jan 01 21:39:57 http://maemo.org/community/council/1225812124/ Jan 01 21:39:58 what file maintains the rss feeds in rss reader so i can change it see if it will run again Jan 01 21:40:49 Oh, so user/programming has been ditched? Jan 01 21:40:59 Anyway, the categories will be enforced at the application-level once h-a-m is updated. Jan 01 21:41:00 * alterego updates a couple of control files .. Jan 01 21:41:13 user/* enforcement will be coming eventually. Jan 01 21:41:22 Cool. Jan 01 21:41:31 Our goal is to have things clear by Fremantle. Jan 01 21:42:02 Okay, where would you stand on a category for the ruby interpreter? Considering it's just a means to allow people to run ruby programs? Jan 01 21:42:08 One problem that we will have to address, though, are the edge-cases for user/* Jan 01 21:42:33 Arguably, OpenSSH doesn't belong in user/* because it doesn't have a UI Jan 01 21:42:41 Yeah Jan 01 21:42:53 GAN: It belongs there more than dropbear does... Jan 01 21:42:54 Maybe I should remove erb, irb and ruby from user/* then .. Jan 01 21:42:56 But in the end you'll end up hurting people more than helping by moving it out of there. Jan 01 21:43:15 alterego, copy whatever Python does. ;) Jan 01 21:43:15 Though, with ruby people can write scripts on the device and run them .. Jan 01 21:43:44 Screw it, I'll keep them under user :P Jan 01 21:43:53 Yeah, I'm not too worried. Jan 01 21:44:13 It's more the libs I have issues with :P Jan 01 21:44:13 As long as it's something the user can actually use, it's mostly OK. Jan 01 21:44:21 libs are the real issue. Jan 01 21:44:56 It'll probably be something we need to discuss at some point. Jan 01 21:45:01 anyone else have seg faults in rss reader Jan 01 21:45:20 i have an n810 and am running os 2008 Jan 01 21:45:35 Shadow_M the latest update? Jan 01 21:45:37 Hey. stop removing OpenSSH from the maemo installer! Jan 01 21:45:50 RST38h, huh? Jan 01 21:46:15 More packages using maemo-display-name would be nice, imho even having the same name but the first letter capitalized makes it look a lot neater Jan 01 21:46:18 alterego, you should try to attend the Sprint meeting. Jan 01 21:46:21 woglinde i always update when it tells me too how do i make sure i am on the latest updatte Jan 01 21:46:36 GAN: Removing user/ will effectively hide OpenSSH from maemo installer list Jan 01 21:46:37 GAN8001: details? Jan 01 21:46:39 qwerty12_N800, I'm gonna make another big push if Nokia ever updates h-a-m. :( Jan 01 21:46:45 or package manager, whatever it is called Jan 01 21:47:03 So, user/utilities it is Jan 01 21:47:12 GAN8001, cool, shame on Nokia :( Jan 01 21:47:21 alterego, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-December/002848.html https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints Jan 01 21:47:41 RST38h, it was only a hypothetical. :) Jan 01 21:48:05 GAN8001: I'll stick a note in my calendar :) Jan 01 21:52:52 Wow, my first spam message through my blog ^_^ Jan 01 21:53:11 * alterego feels privileged. It's obviously made it's way to the spider-sphere. Jan 01 21:53:22 Time to break out the champagne? :p Jan 01 21:53:52 Cool, My blog is #3 on google for "ruby maemo" :D Jan 01 21:54:05 hehe Jan 01 21:54:10 what are the 2 frist? Jan 01 21:54:22 first Jan 01 21:54:56 The first is the entry in the product catalogue on maemo.org and the second is an ITT post about how my website died early this year Jan 01 21:55:05 died? Jan 01 21:55:45 Yeah, I was moving my dedicated servers to a new data centre. I then reinstalled them all and didn't have time to setup all the ruby-maemo stuff after that :/ Jan 01 21:56:05 hm ah Jan 01 21:56:05 So ruby-maemo was basically inaccessible from Febuary until about a week ago O_O Jan 01 21:56:11 hehe Jan 01 21:56:17 and now we will have it in extras Jan 01 21:56:35 Eventually .. Hopefully ;) Jan 01 21:58:12 (random information) - it looks like i have a full, bootable ubuntu jaunty install :D, with ubuntu-desktop, usplash, firefox, and a lot of mer-base packages ;) - i'm getting ready to fire it up! - wish me luck! Jan 01 21:58:30 hehe Jan 01 21:58:30 Heh Jan 01 21:58:33 good luck Jan 01 21:58:42 :D Jan 01 21:59:36 I'm loving havinga blog though, it's pretty useful :) Jan 01 22:02:01 woglinde 5.2008.43-7 thats what i am running Jan 01 22:02:13 hm thats the latest Jan 01 22:02:49 yeah the seg faults happened maybe a day or two ago last time i used it it was running fine Jan 01 22:04:10 Shadow_M I would suggest file a bugreport if there is nt already one Jan 01 22:05:13 * pupnik thinks more female programmers are in order Jan 01 22:05:27 pupnik where? Jan 01 22:05:41 on earth. for linux. Jan 01 22:05:44 etc Jan 01 22:06:04 hmm is there a way to reset the file it reads from i have no problem losing my rss feeds if i can use the reader Jan 01 22:25:36 pupnik: Will you accept life partners from other professional groups? =) Jan 01 22:25:52 rst *g* Jan 01 22:26:10 woglinde: have you had your rss reader seg fault Jan 01 22:26:27 shadow I do not use it Jan 01 22:26:47 oh ok Jan 01 22:30:23 SHADOW__X, you could blow the content of /home/user/.osso_rss_feed_reader/ Jan 01 22:30:36 but before get me a nice coredump please and file a bug :) Jan 01 22:31:14 install the "sp-rich-core" package from the tools repository (see http://maemo.org/development/tools/ ) and create a "core-dumps" directory to the memory card with at least few megabytes of free space. Jan 01 22:31:59 RST38h: maybe. but it helps if she likes Baldurs' Gate Jan 01 22:34:46 pupnik: This SELECT ... WHERE will return an empty set. Jan 01 22:35:25 rst *g* Jan 01 22:38:01 andre___, I dunno how you use canned answers. Jan 01 22:38:05 SHADOW__X: What feeds were you subscribed to? Jan 01 22:38:08 They just don't work for me. Jan 01 22:38:25 GAN8001, haha. why don't the work for you? Jan 01 22:38:30 lifehacker digg slashdot Jan 01 22:38:35 i believe thats all of them Jan 01 22:38:48 andre___, dunno. I guess I prefer the "personal" touch. :P Jan 01 22:39:08 funny guy. as if i was human and not a bot! Jan 01 22:39:55 Vulcanis: lifehacker digg slashdot Jan 01 22:39:57 thats about it Jan 01 22:41:47 andre___, mostly, though, they're not snarky enough. :D Jan 01 22:42:00 haha, ok :) Jan 01 22:42:07 It looks like Ubuntu jaunty booted without eny errors! :D Jan 01 22:42:16 but..... Jan 01 22:42:40 it doesn't start gdm and puts me in a login Jan 01 22:42:42 SHADOW__X: Do any of them embed flash? I forget if LH does Jan 01 22:42:50 because I know that has caused problems with my other RSS readers Jan 01 22:43:09 hmm i dont think so the only last thing i remember changing was not enabling images Jan 01 22:44:22 i had been using all of tose for awhile Jan 01 22:44:27 though and it was wroking fine Jan 01 22:44:45 does enyone know how to fix the gdm problem?, i'm using xserver-xorg and the gdm config file is /etc/gdm/gdm.cong-costom. Jan 01 22:46:22 edit gdm.conf-costom :p Jan 01 22:52:48 andre___, what's our next blocker for #630? Jan 01 22:54:30 i fixed my own problem Jan 01 22:54:37 i believe it was the feeds Jan 01 22:54:49 they must of tried to update on a flaky connection Jan 01 22:55:13 removed only the cache from within the osso-feed-reader dir and blam it fired right up Jan 01 23:01:46 * pupnik feels hungry Jan 01 23:01:50 qwerty12_N800, any idea of the actual API required to lookup icons Jan 01 23:02:12 drive to burger king Jan 01 23:02:29 woglinde, yeah i could do, but how do i get icons from there? Jan 01 23:02:36 I meant pupnik Jan 01 23:02:47 why would i get a pupnik from burger king? *g* Jan 01 23:03:33 lcuk, no, sorry. Icons are usually in /usr/share/pixmaps or /usr/share/icons/hicolor Jan 01 23:03:48 have you *seen* whats in hicolor Jan 01 23:04:01 its like a twisty maze with many different sized exists Jan 01 23:04:06 exits Jan 01 23:05:14 limit it to 64x64 and scalable then, icons tend to be in the apps or hildon sub dirs. you should know the file name by looking at the icon= tag Jan 01 23:06:26 i am already scanning scalable, 64, 40, 32, 24 Jan 01 23:06:44 in descending order to try to use the largest one i can Jan 01 23:07:55 hi. can i forward audio from windows PC to my n800? Jan 01 23:08:38 ex. I am using winamp via rdesktop and i want to listen to the music from n800 speakers Jan 01 23:09:51 If winamp can stream, sure. Jan 01 23:09:53 l Jan 01 23:10:17 I mean also listening to other sources, which rather cannot stream Jan 01 23:11:39 Yes, if Winamp can stream, then sure. Jan 01 23:12:12 there's probably an output plugin for winamp Jan 01 23:12:27 i can just use shoutcast plugin... Jan 01 23:12:45 Yes Jan 01 23:12:47 but what if I want to listen to my friends talking on ventrilo (voip app) Jan 01 23:12:50 shoutcast plugin would do it. Jan 01 23:13:00 <@PlagueRat> Whereas Detroit is developing a car that runs completely on taxpayer money Jan 01 23:13:01 Yes, what if. Jan 01 23:13:03 lol Jan 01 23:14:09 is there any daemon which can stream out all the system outbound audio? Jan 01 23:16:18 pupnik, I like how they're giving money to reduce the credit requirements for buying a car. <_< Jan 01 23:16:41 Is that to help fuel the car economy? Jan 01 23:16:55 alterego, something like that. Jan 01 23:16:57 the solution to borrowing too much is to borrow more Jan 01 23:17:14 the government should probably join gamblers anonymous Jan 01 23:17:19 mavhc hehe yes Jan 01 23:17:24 "but I can win it all back with one more go!" Jan 01 23:17:24 and if you the boss Jan 01 23:17:25 Heh Jan 01 23:17:27 you cant loose Jan 01 23:55:38 (Asia) Silver: Bid: 11.37 Ask: 11.47 Change: +0.05 (+0.44%) Gold: Bid: 886.80 Ask: 889.80 Change: +6.00 (+0.68%) Platinum: Bid: 929.00 Ask: 939.00 Change: +1.00 (+0.11%) Palladium: Bid: 187.00 Ask: 193.00 Change: +2.00 (+1.08%) (updated: Jan 01 @ 18:42.53 ET) Jan 01 23:55:42 oops Jan 01 23:57:26 <`Mace> gr Jan 01 23:58:07 can't even paste properly, how do you expect to make money on stocks :) Jan 01 23:59:23 you accidentally bought stock! Jan 02 00:06:18 Hey guys Jan 02 00:06:20 I got a quick question Jan 02 00:06:31 * lcuk starts the clock Jan 02 00:06:31 I want to update my nokia Jan 02 00:06:43 using the nokia update software Jan 02 00:06:57 Can I leave the adapter plugged in while its updating? Jan 02 00:07:03 cause i dont think it has enough battery power Jan 02 00:07:05 sure Jan 02 00:07:10 alright thanks Jan 02 00:07:14 instructions are clear : have a fully charged up battery and disconnect the charger Jan 02 00:07:22 lol Jan 02 00:07:26 I know thats why my question Jan 02 00:07:31 can i or not? Jan 02 00:07:45 this is the internet - dont believe anything without checking : my answer is veryfiable with the documentation Jan 02 00:07:57 ok.. Jan 02 00:07:59 verifiable Jan 02 00:08:21 if unpluging it can damage it, i would be very disappointed in nokia Jan 02 00:08:42 I just wanna know if I can have the adapter plugged in while its flashing/updating Jan 02 00:08:46 anyone? Jan 02 00:09:35 what made you ask this question? Jan 02 00:09:42 how much battery life do you have now Jan 02 00:09:49 I was downloading and Jan 02 00:09:57 (diablo update) Jan 02 00:10:03 i say do it whats the worst that can happen you brick it Jan 02 00:10:05 ? Jan 02 00:10:06 and the screen turned to black and it didnt update Jan 02 00:10:13 so I'm thinking no more battery life Jan 02 00:10:19 hmm Jan 02 00:10:23 so I thought, maybe i should plug the adapter Jan 02 00:10:24 or you need to reslash Jan 02 00:10:40 plug it in and wait to see if the charging screen comes up Jan 02 00:10:43 and go from there Jan 02 00:10:51 so what you are saying is you have gone thru 1 failed update attempt? Jan 02 00:11:03 yes and possibly because the battery life went to 0 or something Jan 02 00:11:09 so I'm wondering if I can just plug the adapter and update Jan 02 00:11:23 but the instructions make it difficult Jan 02 00:11:27 cause it says to disconnect it Jan 02 00:11:28 why? Jan 02 00:12:11 is that the part where you have to turn it off? Jan 02 00:12:21 no... Jan 02 00:12:29 It was downloading from the Nokia Software Updater Jan 02 00:12:35 from my PC to nokia (usb connection) Jan 02 00:12:48 it was going to be done but the screen on my nokia turned off (battery probably) Jan 02 00:12:57 and it interrupted the process Jan 02 00:13:09 then you hadnt followed instructions the first time ? Jan 02 00:13:26 I did but my connection disconnected like 35131 times Jan 02 00:13:26 3. Make sure the battery of your tablet is fully charged. Jan 02 00:13:28 so I had to redo it Jan 02 00:13:44 but my question is if I can use the charger or not Jan 02 00:14:35 easy answer is follow the instructions :) Jan 02 00:14:52 ok Jan 02 00:14:58 well Jan 02 00:15:05 I was going to anyway, just making sure. Jan 02 00:15:51 Running out of battery power during an update or connecting/disconnecting a connected charger during an update CAN RESULT IN AN UNRECOVERABLE TABLET. Jan 02 00:17:42 well I'm recharging my tablet Jan 02 00:17:48 so it can be full for when i redo the update Jan 02 02:13:22 has anyone been able to get google chat working with the default brows? Jan 02 02:14:05 oops, default browser Jan 02 02:14:18 the default browser? I just use the default chat client... Jan 02 02:15:33 can you use it to send sms msgs? Jan 02 02:15:41 aah, good point Jan 02 02:15:45 I think there's a trick Jan 02 02:15:56 +1xxxyyyzzzz@sms.talk.google.com Jan 02 02:16:03 thank you TrueJournals :D Jan 02 02:16:10 that's the trick Jan 02 02:16:19 No problem Jan 02 02:16:22 thats US only isnt it Jan 02 02:16:30 Yup Jan 02 02:16:30 cos you guys pay to recv? Jan 02 02:16:42 lcuk: Depends on the cell plan you have Jan 02 02:16:54 Text messages are RIDICULOUSLY expensive Jan 02 02:16:57 over here we pay to send, the person gettin it has it for free Jan 02 02:17:28 great news, will give it a try Jan 02 02:18:35 lcuk, yes. like any sane system should be Jan 02 02:19:15 well, for the qty of actual data its still insane Jan 02 02:19:22 I do wonder what happens if you prefix the phone number there with an international dialing code :) Jan 02 02:19:48 Very interesting article on the subject of expensive text messages: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/business/28digi.html Jan 02 02:19:58 if there was real competition between cell phone providers it would probably be free Jan 02 02:20:34 well thats what your contract makes it really, they *do* have to pay employees and buy stock and stuff Jan 02 02:20:34 lcuk, it's free for them, as it's sent on a sideband anyway Jan 02 02:21:10 however, on general principle i will say: a pair price for a fair service Jan 02 02:21:32 i have 2 19 year old girls that average about 10,000 texts per month. we have unlimited texting Jan 02 02:21:32 lcuk, I mean if there was real competition they'd be charging for the things that cost money and figuring out how to give out any value adds they could afford Jan 02 02:22:39 Kurtis318, O_o I don't even think my younger sister hits much over 1,000 Jan 02 02:22:43 of course johnx, but most users until recently never used that many texts Jan 02 02:23:07 Kurtis318, they must text 24/7 Jan 02 02:23:08 johnx, im over phonewire :: think gossiping girls Jan 02 02:23:19 10k is probably normal Jan 02 02:23:26 Hardly Jan 02 02:23:26 think how many irc lines you push out in a month Jan 02 02:23:45 depending on the crowd and handsets its very easy Jan 02 02:23:49 lcuk, I dunno about in the UK, but in the US the price of text messages got doubled from 10c to 20c recently...all across the board Jan 02 02:23:53 and with full qwerty and computerlike experience Jan 02 02:24:01 highly doubt they have qwerty phones Jan 02 02:24:05 My sister pushes only about 1200 a month and is pretty much texting all the time Jan 02 02:24:05 those are for geeks like us Jan 02 02:24:14 iphone Jan 02 02:24:28 iPhone isn't much faster than T9 Jan 02 02:24:30 twitter Jan 02 02:24:34 I'd just like to throw in that my sister who is by all means NOT a geek has a phone with a qwerty keyboard Jan 02 02:24:59 tj, its getting more normal now Jan 02 02:25:04 LG has a new qwerty handset that everybody seems to have purchased Jan 02 02:25:12 As does Samsung, actually Jan 02 02:25:19 ah, I'm missing western trends these days. update me from early 2007 :) Jan 02 02:25:53 i thought you would be ahead of the trend Jan 02 02:25:57 openjazz engine (to play Jazz Jackrabbit) should be an easy port to ITOS Jan 02 02:26:09 Maemo. :P Jan 02 02:26:20 liqos Jan 02 02:26:25 emacs Jan 02 02:26:29 lol Jan 02 02:26:41 i think thats the first time ive suggeste3d it like that :P Jan 02 02:27:04 3d? Freudian slip? ;) Jan 02 02:27:06 lcuk, I don't think that this is the "real" future here, just a possible future. It's all numeric phones with a certain contingent of iphone users Jan 02 02:27:11 i am waiting for sprint to figure out how much money they are loosing on unlimited text service Jan 02 02:27:22 0 Jan 02 02:27:32 as gan said, its a sidechannel to voice Jan 02 02:27:41 It doesn't cost them anything to sent texts Jan 02 02:27:44 Yeah, text messages really don't cost carriers anything Jan 02 02:27:47 s/sent/send/ Jan 02 02:27:47 GAN800 meant: It doesn't cost them anything to send texts Jan 02 02:28:08 you are paying them a fixed monthly fee and their usage is no way able to overload anything Jan 02 02:28:26 well, when you are talking about millions of texts in a dense populated area it can start to clog up the control channel Jan 02 02:28:29 " But text messages are not just tiny; they are also free riders, tucked into what’s called a control channel, space reserved for operation of the wireless network. ... The channel uses space whether or not a text message is inserted." Jan 02 02:28:37 its not quite the same as broadband overuse Jan 02 02:29:01 the control channel also has to take care of initiating and ending calls Jan 02 02:29:17 Proteous, has that ever become a problem in the real world? Jan 02 02:29:18 so when it gets laggy things can start to freak out Jan 02 02:29:30 johnx, have you ever tried to place a call and had it just fail? Jan 02 02:29:36 Proteous, sending a text from one phone cannot jam the lines, but just like now - london midnight new years, the phone system cannot cope with billions of texts from billions of users all at the same time Jan 02 02:29:37 that's what happens Jan 02 02:29:46 (reduce by factors as required) Jan 02 02:30:09 I'm not saying that the phone companies are right in charging ludacris ammounts :P Jan 02 02:30:15 just saying that there is a limit Jan 02 02:30:24 interesting. We have really small "cells" here so I guess it's not as big a problem Jan 02 02:30:26 Proteous, a few times when I had almost no signal. :P Jan 02 02:30:39 yeah, it depends a lot on that too Jan 02 02:30:50 in my town ATT doesn't have very many cells Jan 02 02:30:58 Stupid plaster and lead paint house. Jan 02 02:31:03 with big cells it would be a nightmare here O_o Jan 02 02:31:06 chicken wire is the worst Jan 02 02:31:17 the stuff they put down under stucko Jan 02 02:31:25 GAN800, lulz. think mine's a steal frame :P Jan 02 02:31:32 Proteous, but still, you are one user, your fingers cannot physically type fast enough to jam up the lines of an entire phone company Jan 02 02:31:52 lcuk, don't tempt him. :D Jan 02 02:32:07 add in a teathered n810 and anything is possible!! MUHAHAHAHAA Jan 02 02:32:20 no cos then you are on a different channel Jan 02 02:32:48 I can autosend texts from my phone with my n810 through bluetooth Jan 02 02:33:08 or send them programatically :) Jan 02 02:33:12 exactly Jan 02 02:33:24 go for it, remember there is only as much bandwidth in the cell packet as would normally go Jan 02 02:33:40 don't worry, I'm not going to do it Jan 02 02:33:41 it wont send bigger packets Jan 02 02:34:18 lcuk, no one is saying that one person alone could take down the system with just texts messages Jan 02 02:34:32 one person, many phones Jan 02 02:34:36 well, unless those are exploit texts and you have a vunerable s60 phone Jan 02 02:34:40 Actually... I'm curious about the whole "not being able to make a call" argument... Jan 02 02:34:42 many contracts Jan 02 02:34:50 much money, im sure the phone company will be happy Jan 02 02:35:01 TrueJournals, no space on the control channel, no way to make a call initiation request Jan 02 02:35:16 that sounds like the voice of experience Jan 02 02:35:17 The NY Times article says " The channel uses space whether or not a text message is inserted." which makes it sound like there's extra space on the channel for a text message whether or not one is there Jan 02 02:35:33 johnx, have you got any grass in your backgarden? Jan 02 02:35:41 lcuk, ahahaha Jan 02 02:36:20 TrueJournals, but text messages and call initiation requests share that space Jan 02 02:36:36 http://blog.clintecker.com/post/67253912/what-carriers-arent-eager-to-tell-you-about-texting-or Jan 02 02:36:49 RF engineer blog about the issue Jan 02 02:37:53 Yeah, that makes it sound more like a text message would TAKE UP the control channel Jan 02 02:38:15 lcuk, I live in an apartment building the size of a normal two story house. it has 6 apartments. the "back garden" is a cement walkway :) Jan 02 02:38:20 The NY Times article (to me) seems to more imply that they can share the channel Jan 02 02:38:26 (at the same time) Jan 02 02:38:41 right, and the RF blog is addressing the NYT article :) Jan 02 02:38:54 Regardless... 20 cents is NOT the price one should pay for that :-P Jan 02 02:39:14 100% agreed Jan 02 02:39:46 I understand charging for texts, but... 5 cents is reasonable... 20 cents is not Jan 02 02:39:49 if there was competition it would probably be free, and they'd just make up the cost somewhere else Jan 02 02:40:10 johnx, you got the idea at least ;) btw, have you still got your whistle Jan 02 02:40:53 whistle? Jan 02 02:41:09 yeah, 2600 hz one Jan 02 02:42:03 ah. heh :P Jan 02 02:42:12 even the payphones here are ISDN :D Jan 02 02:42:28 * johnx whistles down the ethernet line Jan 02 02:42:41 does explain why its in http://obsoleteskills.com/Skills/Whistling2600Hz Jan 02 02:43:32 wow, that site is cool Jan 02 02:46:15 another question, can you tell i'm new, i try to play avi movies some work, some don't. can someone explain why? Jan 02 02:46:41 AVI is a container. the video inside can be encoded in many ways. Jan 02 02:46:45 or how i can conver,them Jan 02 02:47:00 what kind of desktop computer are you on? PC, Mac, Linux? Jan 02 02:47:09 linux Jan 02 02:47:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding Jan 02 02:47:47 guess I should have just linked that to begin with :) Jan 02 02:47:57 tablet-encode is very nice. Jan 02 02:49:45 and mplayer is recommended as well Jan 02 02:51:36 johnx, thanks. looking at wiki now Jan 02 02:59:10 anyone know how i send an x11 window to the back? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 02 02:59:56 2009