**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 03 02:59:57 2009
Jan 03 03:00:45 <b-man> wow, i did not know i could doo that in irc 0_o
Jan 03 03:00:52 <b-man> with /me
Jan 03 03:02:03 <alterego> I thought it would be nice to write a small desktop applet that showed GPS information
Jan 03 03:02:10 <AStorm> new to this whole interne stuff, eh?
Jan 03 03:02:33 <alterego> Nice little exercise for experimenting with ruby-maemo development.
Jan 03 03:13:49 <b-man> born2wonder_n810; what's the status?
Jan 03 03:14:44 <born2wonder_N810> yah , just had to fix my apt-get
Jan 03 03:14:48 <born2wonder_N810> done with that
Jan 03 03:15:35 <born2wonder_N810> apt-get problems sometimes get very annoying
Jan 03 03:15:54 <b-man> depenency issues?
Jan 03 03:16:48 <born2wonder_N810> yah, solved most now down to adblock
Jan 03 03:17:14 <born2wonder_N810> have to edit to commet a line in its postrm script
Jan 03 03:25:05 * b-man is pondering on how he can fix the xserver-xorg/vertual-keyboard issue in Ubuntu
Jan 03 03:30:37 <alterego> NOLOCK lat: 0.000000 lon: 0.000000 alt: 0.000000
Jan 03 03:30:40 <alterego> Useful .. ^_^
Jan 03 03:30:47 <AStorm> not
Jan 03 03:30:56 <b-man> lol
Jan 03 03:31:06 <AStorm> rip out starmap code from maemo-mapper
Jan 03 03:31:14 <AStorm> now that's nice
Jan 03 03:31:18 <alterego> Why? I've wrote my parser now :P
Jan 03 03:31:28 <alterego> It's in Ruby too :P
Jan 03 03:31:32 <AStorm> parser for what?
Jan 03 03:31:37 <alterego> NMEA
Jan 03 03:31:45 <AStorm> mhm
Jan 03 03:31:53 <AStorm> so draw the starmap :)
Jan 03 03:32:13 <alterego> Stars?
Jan 03 03:32:18 <AStorm> sats
Jan 03 03:32:27 <alterego> Ah, right. I was going to do that.
Jan 03 03:32:42 * b-man decided that it is a good time to start writing a tortal for installing ubuntu on the tablets.
Jan 03 03:32:56 <alterego> It is a good time. DO IT NOW!
Jan 03 03:33:07 <b-man> heh, ok
Jan 03 03:33:38 <alterego> Well, appearantly there are 8 satellites in view. Though that's the maximum the chip can handle.
Jan 03 03:34:15 <alterego> Now to write something that can plot azimuth and elevation onto a nice circle.
Jan 03 03:34:30 <AStorm> chip can handle 11
Jan 03 03:34:37 <b-man> if born2wonder_n810 shows up, tell him i'll be back in a while ;)
Jan 03 03:34:45 <alterego> That's not what I'm seeing.
Jan 03 03:34:48 <AStorm> and I sometimes see as much
Jan 03 03:35:00 <AStorm> probably not that many in view right now :)
Jan 03 03:35:00 <alterego> 11 .. Odd number.
Jan 03 03:36:07 <alterego> It's 3:30am I'm in the bath, and I'm hacking a GPS program. This is the life :)
Jan 03 03:36:13 <AStorm> better than 43 of others :P
Jan 03 03:36:15 <lcuk> is it simply accepted that gtk is not the fastest tool in the book
Jan 03 03:36:40 <alterego> No, not the fastest, but performance to weight ratio is good :P
Jan 03 03:36:54 <AStorm> nah
Jan 03 03:37:02 <AStorm> fltk's better at that
Jan 03 03:37:17 <alterego> Gtk is awesome ..
Jan 03 03:37:21 * alterego hugs Gtk.
Jan 03 03:37:38 <alterego> Bit of a pig if you're not using a high level language though.
Jan 03 03:37:52 <AStorm> nah
Jan 03 03:38:07 <AStorm> it is extremely paining
Jan 03 03:38:12 <alterego> Nope.
Jan 03 03:38:13 <lcuk> i come from vb, i think in c - im kinda used to (dare i say it) speed with my core widgets
Jan 03 03:38:31 <alterego> Gtk is easy as pie in Ruby
Jan 03 03:38:35 <AStorm> alterego, it's too low level at times
Jan 03 03:38:47 <AStorm> you haven't done any fun stuff with it then
Jan 03 03:38:57 <lcuk> AStorm, i dont mind low level - i expect to do that for performance
Jan 03 03:39:03 <alterego> Except Gtk::TreeView, that boggles the mind no matter what language you use.
Jan 03 03:39:25 <AStorm> meh
Jan 03 03:39:36 <AStorm> it's just enforced MVC
Jan 03 03:39:44 <AStorm> like in stupid swing
Jan 03 03:40:02 <alterego> I know what it is ..
Jan 03 03:41:04 <lcuk> ok, next question - can i poke an xv window through a widget sized hole if i had to?
Jan 03 03:41:44 <AStorm> yes
Jan 03 03:41:54 <AStorm> even opengl
Jan 03 03:42:22 <lcuk> im thinking throw away 50% of my code by simply using gtk, but keep the things which need speed (sketching/bookreader/graffitiwall)
Jan 03 03:43:13 <lcuk> oh crap, that still doesnt work because i would still need to keep my tile class to handle the graffiti sketches
Jan 03 03:43:27 <alterego> lcuk: I'll be interested to see how your software evolves with hardware accelerated graphics ;)
Jan 03 03:43:35 <alterego> That is if you plan on obtaining the next tablet.
Jan 03 03:45:01 <lcuk> alterego, in lieu of an omap3, i ported and compiled liqbase 0.1.5 to a pentium m tablet pc running enforced in powersave mode at 798mhz and screen res 1024*768
Jan 03 03:45:16 <lcuk> it runs like a dream
Jan 03 03:45:23 <alterego> I meant bringing in the 3D eye candy :P
Jan 03 03:45:54 <lcuk> tell me where i need eye candy :) i seem to have done pretty well so far
Jan 03 03:46:52 <AStorm> 3D is useless :)
Jan 03 03:47:02 <AStorm> we need compositing instead
Jan 03 03:47:07 <lcuk> we have never needed 3d for presentation and in many ways gets in the way.  opengl hardware accel will be utilised for texture rendering and glitz effects rather than for 3d
Jan 03 03:47:13 <lcuk> yeah
Jan 03 03:47:41 <AStorm> and for Quake :P
Jan 03 03:48:04 <lcuk> gaming is different though :P UT ftw!
Jan 03 03:48:14 <alterego> With OGL and S-Video out, I'm going to hook up a wii mote and have some serious fun O_O
Jan 03 03:48:17 <lcuk> actually, nowadays its Portal!
Jan 03 03:48:44 <AStorm> crysis? call of duty?
Jan 03 03:49:11 <lcuk> nahh not for me
Jan 03 03:49:23 <johnx> lcuk++
Jan 03 03:49:27 <johnx> mornin' all
Jan 03 03:49:37 <johnx> very good taste in games sir :)
Jan 03 03:49:47 <lcuk> i want new tablet for the camera, i want to snap a pic and write a message on the back
Jan 03 03:50:34 <lcuk> if i could get this n800 flashed i would feel better
Jan 03 03:50:38 <johnx> that would be kind of a neat interface. Do JPEGs have a "Notes" or "Comments" field?
Jan 03 03:50:38 <AStorm> mmmh
Jan 03 03:50:39 <lcuk> i could model the UI
Jan 03 03:50:50 <AStorm> EXIF has
Jan 03 03:50:55 <johnx> ah, right
Jan 03 03:50:59 <johnx> was forgetting the name
Jan 03 03:51:09 <lcuk> yeah and as part of the flickr api you can send up tags and notes
Jan 03 03:51:37 <johnx> I can imagine a really slick 3D UI for it too
Jan 03 03:51:43 <lcuk> damn tags
Jan 03 03:51:50 <johnx> tags are awesome :P
Jan 03 03:52:05 <lcuk> no, i keep thinking about the file format for liqbase tagging
Jan 03 03:52:30 <johnx> ah, ok
Jan 03 03:53:07 <AStorm> johnx, no, cubes are bling
Jan 03 03:53:18 <born2wonder_N810> b-man, i fanially tried to install using dpkg but ran into dependency problems requiring zenity and bootmenu
Jan 03 03:53:20 <AStorm> and usability nightmare
Jan 03 03:53:45 <johnx> AStorm, not cubes. just touch the corner of the pic, it flips and on the reverse side are your notes
Jan 03 03:54:13 <AStorm> what do you need 3D for?
Jan 03 03:54:14 <johnx> lcuk, have you tried f-spot on linux? I thought it had a pretty nice interface for tagging photos
Jan 03 03:54:42 <johnx> AStorm, to make it look snazzy while flipping. it only needs to be an optional dependency
Jan 03 03:54:57 <AStorm> meh
Jan 03 03:55:06 <AStorm> you can do that in 2D
Jan 03 03:55:18 <AStorm> wolfenstein 3D did that
Jan 03 03:55:20 <AStorm> :P
Jan 03 03:55:29 <johnx> ok, snazyy, not retro :P
Jan 03 03:55:35 <alterego> I'm going to write a snazzy 3D satellite view.
Jan 03 03:55:39 <AStorm> still snazzy
Jan 03 03:55:46 <AStorm> alterego, hehe
Jan 03 03:55:54 <alterego> Maybe something in a similar vein to the Elite scanner ^_^
Jan 03 03:56:08 <AStorm> johnx, I mean, you don't need hardware accel for that
Jan 03 03:56:14 <lcuk> johnx, just looking now - same problem there as with anything desktop, the ui is too complex for smallscreen
Jan 03 03:56:25 <lcuk> i think ive got it right
Jan 03 03:56:28 <johnx> AStorm, prove it to me. code it up :D muahaha
Jan 03 03:56:30 <lcuk> but i was in a code freeze
Jan 03 03:56:43 <lcuk> on the branch i couldv tried it on
Jan 03 03:56:45 <AStorm> johnx, sorry, unless you pay for it
Jan 03 03:57:08 <johnx> lcuk, right, but the tagging interface. drag your most used tags from the bar on the left to a photo or a selection of photos
Jan 03 03:57:10 <lcuk> which phone has the gps radar?
Jan 03 03:57:22 * AStorm is a greedy bastard
Jan 03 03:57:26 <lcuk> yeah i think i posted something similar
Jan 03 03:57:30 <alterego> GPS radar?
Jan 03 03:57:36 <alterego> That sounds kind of cool ^_^
Jan 03 03:57:40 <AStorm> see, the next Nokia device can't pay for itself
Jan 03 03:57:45 <AStorm> meh, radar?
Jan 03 03:57:59 <AStorm> it's not a radar, but a normal radio
Jan 03 03:58:16 <AStorm> same as the one we have in n810, but less sucky
Jan 03 03:58:55 <alterego> What are you talking about AStorm?
Jan 03 03:59:05 <alterego> You mean a GPS receiver?
Jan 03 03:59:36 <alterego> I don't think that's what lcuk was talking about.
Jan 03 03:59:53 <lcuk> johnx, theres the other problem of people wanting to keep visual tags as well as textual ones, but thats a bit easier to overcome
Jan 03 03:59:59 * alterego was thinking about a satellite view that looked like a stereotypical radar screen ..
Jan 03 04:00:07 <lcuk> yeah me too
Jan 03 04:01:18 <AStorm> meh, ui
Jan 03 04:01:18 <johnx> lcuk, the f-spot UI had that dealt with as well. you could associate an "emblem" with a tag
Jan 03 04:01:36 <lcuk> yeah, like i can in liqbase ;) easier
Jan 03 04:02:11 <johnx> lcuk, but yes, that sounds like an awesome program for taking pics, tagging and uploading, inside one app :)
Jan 03 04:02:35 <AStorm> lcuk, ah, and improve scribbling
Jan 03 04:02:45 <AStorm> make it multipage with smooth scrolling
Jan 03 04:02:49 <AStorm> :)
Jan 03 04:02:57 <lcuk> whats wrong with scribbling
Jan 03 04:03:21 <orifice> are there any midi tracking apps for maemo ?  I did a quick search but only one thread came up on ITT and there weren't any results
Jan 03 04:03:34 <AStorm> that xournal has it done better :>
Jan 03 04:03:51 <AStorm> (except its file format, which sucks
Jan 03 04:04:02 <AStorm> and that it loads all pages at once)
Jan 03 04:05:18 <lcuk> ok, a bit slower, whats wrong with scribbling - speed thickness options priority?  its a simple pen based tool at present
Jan 03 04:05:48 <AStorm> apart from hard pages, nothing
Jan 03 04:05:49 <AStorm> :)
Jan 03 04:05:49 <lcuk> file format, which sucks mine or xournal?  tell me what you would like
Jan 03 04:05:56 <AStorm> xournal's sucks
Jan 03 04:06:11 <lcuk> ahh pdf, mines worse - at least xournal is documented
Jan 03 04:06:11 <AStorm> and I'd love to have easy smooth page switching
Jan 03 04:06:18 <lcuk> ill add svg output to this one
Jan 03 04:06:19 * alterego doesn't think AStorm likes a anything.
Jan 03 04:06:23 <AStorm> not pdf
Jan 03 04:06:30 <AStorm> it can export to pdf
Jan 03 04:06:42 <AStorm> default temp format is something other
Jan 03 04:06:53 <AStorm> and esp. xournal's handling of it
Jan 03 04:07:27 <alterego> 4am and I'm still in the bath coding O_O
Jan 03 04:07:39 <lcuk> johnx, ill look more carefully tomorrow, theres a reason you are mentioning ill find out why
Jan 03 04:07:46 <AStorm> Waterproof n810? gimme :)
Jan 03 04:07:57 <alterego> Laptop actually :P
Jan 03 04:08:11 <alterego> Not really water proof, I do worry about the humidity ..
Jan 03 04:08:23 <lcuk> does it have a floating point processor? or did it sink
Jan 03 04:08:29 <alterego> :D
Jan 03 04:08:30 <johnx> lcuk, no rush :) it mostly has a good workflow and I could imagine it working well on a tablet with most of the features cut out :)
Jan 03 04:08:57 <lcuk> well ill dig into it properly
Jan 03 04:09:13 <alterego> $PNOKU .. That looks like a Nokia proprietary sentence
Jan 03 04:09:48 <born2wonder_> srry got d/c so i will ask again. does any1 know where to get the bootmenu that is required as a dependency by the mer deb installer
Jan 03 04:11:00 <johnx> born2wonder, one sec
Jan 03 04:11:13 <born2wonder_> sure
Jan 03 04:11:18 <alterego> Heh "magnetic variation" ^_^
Jan 03 04:13:44 <johnx> born2wonder, it might be simplest to install the "deblet installer" from here: http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet#InstallationguidefortheNokiaN8x0s
Jan 03 04:14:23 <johnx> that won't install deblet, just the installer for it
Jan 03 04:14:33 <johnx> then you will have bootmenu and anything it depends on
Jan 03 04:15:16 <born2wonder_> yah google was returning deblet results. well easy enough solution thank you. yah i aware about the installer , i had deblet b4.
Jan 03 04:15:35 <johnx> ah, ok. :) just wanted to prevent confusion
Jan 03 04:15:36 <lcuk> heres the b-man himself, he could tell you
Jan 03 04:15:53 <born2wonder_> appreciated :)
Jan 03 04:15:53 <b-man> heh, hello
Jan 03 04:16:09 <lcuk> b-man, how do you recover data off an mmc after ...   only joking, easy one for you
Jan 03 04:16:38 <b-man> hehe
Jan 03 04:17:17 <johnx> ah, the wonderful world of data recovery
Jan 03 04:17:39 <b-man> am i missing something here?
Jan 03 04:17:46 <lcuk> <born2wonder_N810> b-man, i fanially tried to install using dpkg but ran into dependency problems requiring zenity and bootmenu
Jan 03 04:18:13 <b-man> you need to add the deblet repo.
Jan 03 04:18:40 <lcuk> :D
Jan 03 04:19:21 * alterego tests his console based GPS logger.
Jan 03 04:19:29 <alterego> 11 satellites already :)
Jan 03 04:19:59 <lcuk> b-man, hes just gone to do that - note as part of install instructions or before starting?
Jan 03 04:21:30 <alterego> Woo! It's got a lock ^_^
Jan 03 04:21:36 <alterego> LOOK AT THAT DATA!
Jan 03 04:22:19 <alterego> In theory, if I shift the decimal point two places, I should be able to input the lat/lon straight into google maps.
Jan 03 04:24:26 <AStorm> mapper does that :P
Jan 03 04:24:58 <b-man> johnx, could you help with this? When ever i try to type anything with xkbd or matchbox-keyboard, my ubuntu desktop keeps restarting. i think it has somthing to do with xorg not being able to find system keymaps. could you help?
Jan 03 04:25:00 <alterego> I'm sure it does lots of things. That's really not interesting.
Jan 03 04:25:15 <alterego> This is written in Ruby, which means it's infinitely better :P
Jan 03 04:25:18 * alterego chuckles.
Jan 03 04:25:44 <johnx> b-man, let's see. I think you need more stuff from mer :) let me find the package name
Jan 03 04:26:20 <lcuk> gnite fellas :) have fun
Jan 03 04:26:27 <johnx> 'night lcuk
Jan 03 04:26:27 <alterego> g'night
Jan 03 04:26:44 <b-man> see you tomorrow lcuk
Jan 03 04:27:05 <cars__> Happy New Year, #maemo!
Jan 03 04:27:31 <b-man> happy new year to you too
Jan 03 04:27:33 <johnx> happy new year's cars__ :)
Jan 03 04:28:10 <alterego> Happy New Year .. Though I'm back at work on Monday O_O
Jan 03 04:28:23 <alterego> After four weeks it's going to be a bit weird going back ^_^
Jan 03 04:28:39 <b-man> i'm back in school monday :P
Jan 03 04:28:48 * b-man growns
Jan 03 04:30:31 <b-man> johnx, find it yet? :)
Jan 03 04:30:39 <johnx> should be hal- something
Jan 03 04:31:35 * b-man looks in mer repo
Jan 03 04:32:25 <cars__> My N810 is like a new machine with all the gobs of space I have thanks to the clone to SD and Debian.
Jan 03 04:32:47 <AStorm> and then your SD will die
Jan 03 04:32:54 <AStorm> and you can't switch cards
Jan 03 04:33:21 <johnx> cars__, just make sure to backup your filesystem on sd :)
Jan 03 04:33:34 <johnx> AStorm, nah, haven't had that issue much with reliable cards
Jan 03 04:33:55 <AStorm> with switching a cardin use?
Jan 03 04:34:14 <alterego> Interesteing, I never created virtual memory after the last reflash O_O
Jan 03 04:34:41 <johnx> huh, nah, cards dying. and I can switch cards in the external slot just fine while booted to internal :P
Jan 03 04:35:47 <Vulcanis> mmc2 is internal, right?
Jan 03 04:35:52 <johnx> yeah
Jan 03 04:36:29 <alterego> highly confusing.
Jan 03 04:36:52 <johnx> yes. it is.
Jan 03 04:36:59 <cars__> the only thing is the SD boot doesn't seem to touch the swap partition I made for it.
Jan 03 04:37:04 <johnx> mmcblk0 -> mmc2, mmcblk1 -> mmc1
Jan 03 04:38:19 <b-man> johnx; no luck in finding enything with hal* :(
Jan 03 04:38:38 <johnx> hang, on. booting into mer
Jan 03 04:38:50 <AStorm> johnx, n810 :P
Jan 03 04:38:53 <AStorm> so?
Jan 03 04:39:09 <johnx> AStorm, so what? :P
Jan 03 04:39:18 <AStorm> 1 slot only
Jan 03 04:39:36 <johnx> no, he can't swap cards. my first point is still valid
Jan 03 04:39:53 <johnx> and it does make recovery from a bad package reboot loop worlds easier
Jan 03 04:40:17 <AStorm> not than a nice initfs
Jan 03 04:40:53 <johnx> AStorm, so you think hacking around on the command line is easier than just restoring from a nightly rsync or tar.gz ?
Jan 03 04:41:11 <AStorm> sftp
Jan 03 04:41:16 <AStorm> use it :)
Jan 03 04:41:36 <johnx> dropbear for initfs doesn't have it
Jan 03 04:41:39 <johnx> IIRC
Jan 03 04:41:53 <AStorm> it does support scp at least
Jan 03 04:42:19 <johnx> I'd like to see someone else try and restore their rootfs from a backup that way *first* before I trusted it
Jan 03 04:42:46 * johnx will just be happy moving my $HOME off of /
Jan 03 04:46:01 <johnx> I mean, will scp handle /dev entries correctly? what about symlinks and hardlinks?
Jan 03 04:48:14 <AStorm> yes
Jan 03 04:48:23 <AStorm> symlinks... hmm
Jan 03 04:48:38 <AStorm> no, it can't do symlinks and hardlinks
Jan 03 04:48:51 <AStorm> but you can send a tarball with it
Jan 03 04:48:58 <johnx> rsync in a card reader will always be easier
Jan 03 04:51:16 <b-man> johnx, have you found it yet??? :)
Jan 03 04:51:45 <johnx> b-man, no I haven't!!! :)
Jan 03 04:51:54 <b-man> hehe
Jan 03 04:52:38 <b-man> welcome back born2wonder
Jan 03 04:54:44 <johnx> b-man, I'm not even 100% sure it works on mer actually
Jan 03 04:55:26 <b-man> it did when i first installed mer...
Jan 03 04:56:19 <b-man> unless stskeeps changed something...
Jan 03 04:59:01 <johnx> sorry, b-man, no idea right now
Jan 03 04:59:49 <b-man> ok :( :( :(
Jan 03 05:00:17 * b-man goes nutz
Jan 03 05:00:35 <GAN800> igor's comment is a bit depressing.
Jan 03 05:01:04 <johnx> b-man, why not base this on mer instead of ubuntu?
Jan 03 05:02:15 <b-man> because mer uses an ubuntu base? :)
Jan 03 05:02:32 <johnx> yes, and it has all the tablet hardware nicely working
Jan 03 05:02:44 <johnx> instead of trying to hack things out of mer into vanilla ubuntu
Jan 03 05:03:14 <alterego> Damn American date format O_O
Jan 03 05:03:49 <johnx> ahaha....awesome isn't it alterego? though I prefer year-month-day-hours-minutes-etc in UTC
Jan 03 05:03:53 <johnx> makes for better file names
Jan 03 05:03:59 <alterego> :)
Jan 03 05:04:01 <alterego> Me too ..
Jan 03 05:04:03 <alterego> Me too ..
Jan 03 05:05:34 <GAN800> Woo, I broke MicroB again!
Jan 03 05:06:24 <b-man> double post :)
Jan 03 05:06:25 <b-man> mabe i will contact stskeeps on how he got the keyboard working correctly tomorrow...
Jan 03 05:06:27 <b-man> hehe
Jan 03 05:08:31 <andrewfblack> Hey I'm working one something for tablets using javascript is it possible to make a installer for a html file that will give you a menu shortcut for the file?
Jan 03 05:09:29 <alterego> Hmm, I think it's definitely bed time .. (05:00)
Jan 03 05:09:43 * GAN800 also broke Maemo
Jan 03 05:09:53 <johnx> andrewfblack, yes, should be. you can package plain html files in a deb no problem and to launch it send a command to the browser with dbus
Jan 03 05:11:58 <andrewfblack> johnx thanks
Jan 03 06:24:17 <fauxmight> Hey guys, where do I look to get a mer image and a brief what-to-do-with-it doc? (Google's not being my friend today.)
Jan 03 06:25:11 <johnx> fauxmight, one sec, let me find it
Jan 03 06:25:43 <fauxmight> thanks johnx (if you remember helping me out with the gentoo project, I'm normally christendoc)
Jan 03 06:26:00 <johnx> ah, yeah, the gentoo guy :)
Jan 03 06:27:03 <johnx> latest: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=253801#post253801
Jan 03 06:27:09 <fauxmight> many thanks.
Jan 03 06:27:26 <johnx> hopefully soon, I'll get some stuff wrangled and that'll be 0.5 :)
Jan 03 06:28:33 <ds3> a
Jan 03 06:29:14 <johnx> b
Jan 03 06:29:18 <fauxmight> c
Jan 03 06:48:04 <johnnyjohnjohn> has anyone ever heard of an iphone theme for maemo?
Jan 03 06:48:29 <johnx> someone was working on a launcher that looks like an iphone for a while
Jan 03 06:48:32 <johnx> called itablet I think
Jan 03 06:48:45 <johnx> not sure if it works in the latest OS
Jan 03 06:49:05 <johnx> and there was a keyboard demo that looked like an iphone as well
Jan 03 06:49:30 <johnnyjohnjohn> thanks johnx
Jan 03 06:49:41 <johnnyjohnjohn> have you heard of any projects working on new themes?
Jan 03 06:50:43 <johnx> nope
Jan 03 06:50:58 <johnx> are you thinking about trying to make a them?
Jan 03 06:51:28 <johnx> theme*
Jan 03 07:02:24 <johnx> Stskeeps, where would hildon-desktop-env = 0.1-mer5 be found? is it in a bzr repo somewhere?
Jan 03 07:04:32 <johnnyjohnjohn> yeah, I'd like to make a theme
Jan 03 07:05:12 <johnnyjohnjohn> at the moment I'm just looking at what themes have been designed for maemo and other open source mobile platforms
Jan 03 07:05:29 <johnx> theme-maker will help you
Jan 03 07:05:58 <johnx> Also, just a note: There are some people who feel pretty strongly about the iPhone, so just be ready for that :)
Jan 03 07:06:21 <johnnyjohnjohn> yeah, I'm not interested in making an iphone clone
Jan 03 07:06:39 <johnnyjohnjohn> just interested to see if someone rearranged the menus and such
Jan 03 07:06:58 <johnx> ah, that sort of thing.
Jan 03 07:07:34 <johnnyjohnjohn> the close and minimize button in the far right corner is something I want to change as an example
Jan 03 07:07:56 <johnnyjohnjohn> and changing the left sidebar
Jan 03 07:08:00 <johnx> That would be hard to do at the "theme" level for Maemo. To do that you'd need to write your own home layout
Jan 03 07:08:34 <johnnyjohnjohn> how would that be done?
Jan 03 07:08:40 <johnx> what you'd want to do is compare ubuntu-mobile's hildon-desktop layout to Maemo's
Jan 03 07:09:22 <johnx> and look around in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop
Jan 03 07:09:56 <johnx> so you'll need a new layout for the panels, new pictures and a new matchbox window manager theme
Jan 03 08:31:14 * RST38h moss
Jan 03 08:31:14 <RST38h> moos, sorry
Jan 03 08:33:34 <t_s_o> heh, as long as you dont try to start some kind of virtual mosh pit...
Jan 03 08:35:02 <Stskeeps> johnx: apt-get source
Jan 03 09:02:21 <johnx> Stskeeps, ah, ok, I'll push it back into a bzr repo after that
Jan 03 09:03:01 * johnx makes beef curry. w00!
Jan 03 09:05:49 <johnx> mmm...jawa curry
Jan 03 09:06:39 <Stskeeps> on tablet so cannot immediate see if i put it in bzr or not
Jan 03 09:06:56 <johnx> I can see you didn't. that's why I asked :)
Jan 03 09:07:10 <johnx> m00f RST38h
Jan 03 09:17:50 * Stskeeps grabs his morning cup of coffee and tries to catch up
Jan 03 09:19:10 <johnx> not much to catch up on. The internet has been quiet these days I think
Jan 03 09:22:05 <Stskeeps> mm
Jan 03 09:23:23 <Stskeeps> so how's 0.5 going? ;)
Jan 03 09:24:06 <johnx> about to see if I did update-alternatives right :)
Jan 03 09:24:25 <johnx> any luck with osso-xterm?
Jan 03 09:24:42 <Stskeeps> no, the libtool fucks up consistently. not sure i understand why
Jan 03 09:25:16 <Stskeeps> ah. maybe it's cos it's  /bin/dash.
Jan 03 09:26:25 * Stskeeps tries with /bin/bash instead
Jan 03 09:26:25 <johnx> I'll try the hildonized roxterm
Jan 03 09:28:12 <Stskeeps> nah, didn't help :(
Jan 03 09:29:26 <johnx> I wonder if nokia tried to do things this way back in 2005
Jan 03 09:30:10 <Stskeeps> with sardine or?
Jan 03 09:31:10 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, <reading scrollback>, I've sucessfully restored a flash blackup I made using mkfs.jffs2 using nokia flasher
Jan 03 09:31:46 <qwerty12_N800> Hildonized roxterm uses vte too
Jan 03 09:32:00 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, I expected that method was possible. :) I had my doubts about using dropbear scp though
Jan 03 09:32:02 <johnx> gah
Jan 03 09:33:24 <msh> johnx: what doesn't work with dropbear scp?
Jan 03 09:33:42 <johnx> symlinks and hardlinks?
Jan 03 09:34:08 <johnx> but that's just a general scp thing
Jan 03 09:34:14 <msh> ah right, yeah
Jan 03 09:34:33 <msh> rsync the go?
Jan 03 09:34:51 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, yeah, kotczarny was odd like that too... we had an argument over what was better: mkfs.jffs2 or restoring a tarball (of course mkfs.jffs2 was simpler and a lot faster at restoring but no...)
Jan 03 09:35:25 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, heh...I much prefer to just change the problem. :) rsync to card reader = win
Jan 03 09:35:44 <qwerty12_N800> hehe :p
Jan 03 09:38:07 * RST38h is attaching touch screen processing to the Symbian code
Jan 03 09:38:38 <RST38h> (in other words, S60e5 is here!)
Jan 03 09:39:04 <johnx> you can keep it there then. no real interest :)
Jan 03 09:39:36 <RST38h> johnx: it is actually pretty decent, albeit butt-ugly
Jan 03 09:40:09 * RST38h vaguely remembers that johnx is an Apple guy
Jan 03 09:40:29 <johnx> only when other people are buying me things :P
Jan 03 09:40:44 <johnx> made a nice work computer because I had no interest in hacking it :)
Jan 03 09:40:49 <RST38h> johnx: Any idea why an iMac would lose wifi connection (DLink DI-624) and never try to reacquire it?
Jan 03 09:41:06 <johnx> because you're not using apple's wireless card
Jan 03 09:41:23 <RST38h> I am using apple wireless card. DI-624 is a router.
Jan 03 09:41:44 <johnx> ah, fair enough. have you looked at the logs?
Jan 03 09:41:54 <RST38h> Yep - loses connection, that is all
Jan 03 09:42:02 <johnx> huh
Jan 03 09:42:14 <RST38h> I have not looked at apple logs though
Jan 03 09:42:58 <johnx> why it wouldn't try to reacquire, I don't know. what gen imac? g3, g4, g5, intel old, intel new?
Jan 03 09:43:10 <RST38h> Intel New
Jan 03 09:43:18 <RST38h> The one in a huge aluminium display
Jan 03 09:44:10 <johnx> if you have no luck with apple's logs, I'd trawl the official apple forums
Jan 03 09:44:42 <johnx> but apple doesn't have a great record with wireless stuff in my book
Jan 03 09:45:09 <johnx> and the right answer is definitely not buying an airport base station. contrary to popular suggestion
Jan 03 09:45:14 <RST38h> sounds ominous...
Jan 03 09:45:18 <johnx> no end of pain with those things
Jan 03 09:45:41 <RST38h> that much I suspected...the machine isn't mine though and it is kinda remote at the moment
Jan 03 09:45:51 <RST38h> oh well, will try fixing it in March
Jan 03 09:46:21 <johnx> heh. I think there's a nice menu option to save the logs to the desktop for easy emailing
Jan 03 09:46:38 <johnx> but it's been two years since I've touched a mac outside a store
Jan 03 09:46:54 * RST38h only had a brush with a Mac for a few days
Jan 03 09:47:39 <RST38h> (if we forget those old MacOS8 and MacOS9 based Macs back at the university long time ago)
Jan 03 09:47:47 <johnx> yes, please forget them
Jan 03 09:47:48 * qwerty12 used a macbook once, for a few hours, and knew they were not for me
Jan 03 09:48:17 <johnx> it's a decent tool, but it's not as comfy as a linux box
Jan 03 09:49:49 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, are you compiling vte under your builder or under your (odd) sbox sdk? Because I really can't get vte do anything under the sbox sdk, forget any libtool problems
Jan 03 09:50:15 * t_s_o recall reading about the supposed followup to os8-9 and thinking it would have been really impressive if they had gotten it to work...
Jan 03 09:50:36 * johnx misses nextstep, but never actually used it
Jan 03 09:51:08 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: odd sbox sdk
Jan 03 09:51:23 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yes. I'm deadly truthful.
Jan 03 09:51:32 <Stskeeps> define "do anything"?
Jan 03 09:52:06 <Stskeeps> perl error? :P
Jan 03 09:52:45 <qwerty12> "configure.in:3: error: Autoconf version 2.60 or higher is required", I can't even get autoconf2.60 - I thought this was meant to be ubuntu >.< :P
Jan 03 09:53:06 <Stskeeps> hmm.
Jan 03 09:53:14 <Stskeeps> fakeroot apt-get install autoconf?
Jan 03 09:53:34 <qwerty12> I've even done fakeroot apt-get install --reinstall autoconf* for fun
Jan 03 09:53:47 <Stskeeps> ii  autoconf                          2.61-7ubuntu1            automatic configure script builder
Jan 03 09:54:02 <johnx> qwerty12, apt-cache policy autoconf
Jan 03 09:54:04 <qwerty12> Yep, Version: 2.61-7ubuntu1
Jan 03 09:54:19 <Stskeeps> installed or not installed?
Jan 03 09:54:34 <qwerty12> installed, that was from dpkg -s
Jan 03 09:54:39 <qwerty12> Lemme reinstall
Jan 03 09:54:51 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: do you have the mer devkit?
Jan 03 09:54:58 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yep
Jan 03 09:55:03 <Stskeeps> and debian-etch?
Jan 03 09:55:18 <qwerty12> yep, "Devkits:          debian-etch cputransp mer"
Jan 03 09:55:20 <Stskeeps> cos autoconf is in scratchbox tools in my 'which'
Jan 03 09:55:43 <Stskeeps> you have any cancel-redirection env variables? :P
Jan 03 09:55:47 <qwerty12> Same, let's see what that version is, or I may just end up redirecting
Jan 03 09:56:12 <qwerty12> I had some a long while back for diablo but I commented those out in my .profile
Jan 03 09:56:22 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Jan 03 09:56:34 <qwerty12> Yep, /scratchbox/tools/bin/autoconf is 2.59. I'll just set up redirection...
Jan 03 09:56:35 <Stskeeps> i'm really stumped by the error im having though
Jan 03 09:56:47 * RST38h used NeXTstep a lot
Jan 03 09:56:48 <Stskeeps> ah, may have to upgrade scratchbox :P
Jan 03 09:57:05 <RST38h> On the second-gen pizzabox hardware from NeXT
Jan 03 09:57:13 <johnx> RST38h, what'd you think of it? especially objc?
Jan 03 10:00:26 <qwerty12> Meh, vte is a shitpile. autoconf --version "autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61", vte : "configure.in:3: error: Autoconf version 2.60 or higher is required"
Jan 03 10:00:55 <johnx> think it's failing to find things >2.60?
Jan 03 10:01:45 <qwerty12> Yeah, probably, let me redirect the rest...
Jan 03 10:05:10 * Stskeeps really doesn't like autoconf and friends. :P
Jan 03 10:06:26 <johnx> does anyone?
Jan 03 10:06:37 <johnx> I've never heard anyone say "autoconf is totally awesome."
Jan 03 10:07:16 <RST38h> johnx: Was a very nice system, pleasure to use, great file browser (still miss it)
Jan 03 10:07:17 <qwerty12> It makes things a *little bit* easier if I'm using an cross compiling toolchain but that's about it
Jan 03 10:07:27 <RST38h> johnx: Never used objc on it, just used plain gcc
Jan 03 10:07:54 <RST38h> johnx: It was already getting somewhat slow for its time (used 68030) and had a b/w display
Jan 03 10:09:16 <johnx> RST38h, yeah, the file browser style was one of the nice things in mac os x as well. Recently when I saw videos of it being demoed in the early 90's my initial reaction was: whack a modern rendering engine in that web browser and sign me up: looks totally usable
Jan 03 10:10:05 <RST38h> MacOSX Finder can actually be coerced into NeXT-like mode
Jan 03 10:10:29 <johnx> right, aka, "not a PITA mode"
Jan 03 10:38:35 <Stskeeps> morning Meizirkki
Jan 03 10:38:43 <Meizirkki> morning
Jan 03 10:39:04 <Meizirkki> how can i set the screen timeout in Mer?
Jan 03 10:39:15 <Meizirkki> it's now very long
Jan 03 10:39:25 <Meizirkki> *laptop optimized
Jan 03 10:43:25 <Stskeeps> you mean screen blanking?
Jan 03 10:43:35 <Stskeeps>  / turning off backlight
Jan 03 10:43:46 <Meizirkki> yes
Jan 03 10:43:58 <Stskeeps> dsme-tools package from deblet, and edit the /etc/init.d file for it
Jan 03 10:44:09 <Stskeeps> 30 is dim time, 60 is turn off time
Jan 03 10:44:32 <Meizirkki> it does it now, even when dsme-tools is not installed
Jan 03 10:44:39 <Meizirkki> but it's long
Jan 03 10:44:45 <Meizirkki> 5min i guess
Jan 03 10:46:09 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 03 10:46:17 <Stskeeps> just adjust it with dsme-tools then
Jan 03 11:31:21 <Jaffa> Mornin'
Jan 03 11:31:29 <Stskeeps> morning Jaffa
Jan 03 11:44:09 <konttori> morning
Jan 03 11:44:40 * konttori is about to leave for a week in spain! (1 h)
Jan 03 11:44:48 <konttori> see you all later!
Jan 03 11:45:02 <johnx> later konttori. have fun :D
Jan 03 11:45:06 <konttori> thanks!
Jan 03 11:45:18 <qwerty12> hehe, enjoy konttori :D
Jan 03 11:45:44 * qwerty12 starts grumbling about the UK and its cold winters*
Jan 03 11:46:06 <Stskeeps> it snowed outside here today :P
Jan 03 11:46:41 <johnx> nice. still about 5C here or so? (40F)
Jan 03 11:47:00 <Stskeeps> just hope its not too slippery when my fiancée drives to berlin tomorrow
Jan 03 11:47:25 <johnx> ah, yeah. driving on ice is never good unless the purpose of your trip is to drive on ice :)
Jan 03 11:48:31 <Stskeeps> she has winter tires so it ought to help a bit :P
Jan 03 11:48:52 <johnx> studded ones?
Jan 03 11:49:08 <Stskeeps> no clue, but ones that are very good to have in nordic/european countries when its winter :P
Jan 03 11:49:40 <johnx> yeah, wasn't much nicer for drivers in the Seattle are until a couple days ago :)
Jan 03 11:49:54 <johnx> and that's only at ~48N
Jan 03 11:50:24 <Stskeeps> most useless map ever.. marking roads with "slippery" and "normal road state based on the season"
Jan 03 11:50:38 <Stskeeps> slippery -is- the normal road state in winter :P
Jan 03 11:51:00 <johnx> "floor is slippery when wet"
Jan 03 11:51:02 <Meizirkki> -11 C here :)
Jan 03 11:51:10 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: snowed in yet? :P
Jan 03 11:51:14 <Meizirkki> a lot
Jan 03 11:51:29 <Meizirkki> comparing to last two winters
Jan 03 11:52:45 * Stskeeps ponders the fact the road directorate information web page isnt responding
Jan 03 11:52:46 <Meizirkki> maybe around 6-10 cm :P
Jan 03 11:53:21 <johnx> Stskeeps, they'd reboot the server, but they want to check the roads before they drive into work...
Jan 03 11:53:59 <Stskeeps> probably :P
Jan 03 12:14:07 <Meizirkki> grr.. ports.ubuntu.com down?
Jan 03 12:14:42 <johnx> looks that way
Jan 03 12:14:45 <johnx> or very lagged
Jan 03 12:15:58 <Stskeeps> as i said, ports.ubuntu.com really needs mirrors
Jan 03 12:16:32 <johnx> timed out :/
Jan 03 12:16:51 <johnx> heh...not exactly equipped to offer to mirror it sadly...
Jan 03 12:17:49 <gladiac> wow, the browser with webkit backend is significant faster
Jan 03 12:17:50 <Meizirkki> grr.. i just destroyed my mer installation. and now ports.ubuntu.com is down. this is my luck
Jan 03 12:18:03 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: you're in luck, i need you to test b-mans mer installer anyway :P
Jan 03 12:19:52 * Meizirkki is looking forward to test it. :)
Jan 03 12:20:02 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merinstaller1.2.1-1.armel.deb
Jan 03 12:20:15 <Stskeeps> you might want to take out any SD cards that you dont potentially want erased
Jan 03 12:20:37 <Stskeeps> and i need test of the 'simple' install first and foremost
Jan 03 12:20:45 <Stskeeps> it needs zenity and deblet bootmenu
Jan 03 12:20:50 <Meizirkki> how do i remove n810 internal card ??
Jan 03 12:20:51 <Meizirkki> :P
Jan 03 12:20:53 <Stskeeps> hmm. :P
Jan 03 12:21:39 <johnx> maybe use a hammer?
Jan 03 12:22:35 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: his code -looks- safe, but with all testing.. :P
Jan 03 12:22:44 <Meizirkki> k
Jan 03 12:22:47 <Stskeeps> (simple does automatic partitioning)
Jan 03 12:23:04 <Meizirkki> is there already a name for the current mer release? like, current version of Ubuntu for arm is "jaunty"..
Jan 03 12:23:15 <Meizirkki> or can i call it just "alpha"
Jan 03 12:23:37 <Stskeeps> we just call it alpha for now. when things get a little more sane the unstable release will have codename 'brick' probably :P
Jan 03 12:23:45 <Meizirkki> ok
Jan 03 12:23:48 <Stskeeps> as it has the potential to completely brick your tablet ;)
Jan 03 12:24:37 <Meizirkki> installer will erase all data on external card or? if i make a empty partition, will the installer use it
Jan 03 12:24:39 <Meizirkki> ?
Jan 03 12:25:30 <Stskeeps> well there's two modes
Jan 03 12:25:32 <Stskeeps> simple and advanced
Jan 03 12:26:06 <Stskeeps> simple makes you choose internal or external card and it then partitions that card
Jan 03 12:26:12 <Stskeeps> advanced lets you have some choices
Jan 03 12:26:16 <Meizirkki> ok
Jan 03 12:26:34 <Meizirkki> i'll take look at advanced
Jan 03 12:26:36 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 03 12:27:01 <Meizirkki> rootsh needed...
Jan 03 12:27:24 <Stskeeps> that too, yeah :P
Jan 03 12:27:41 <Meizirkki> i used --force-depends :P
Jan 03 12:27:47 <johnx> crap. bent the pin on my charger >_<
Jan 03 12:27:48 <Stskeeps> it is needed though :P
Jan 03 12:27:49 <Meizirkki> i don't have much space left
Jan 03 12:27:51 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 03 12:27:55 <Stskeeps> johnx: hate when that happens
Jan 03 12:27:56 <qwerty12_N800> rootsh is the shit :p
Jan 03 12:28:01 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: rootsh is very bloody small :P
Jan 03 12:28:13 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: whatever :P
Jan 03 12:28:29 <johnx> guess I can just head down to the Nokia store ... nearest one can't me more than a continent away
Jan 03 12:28:53 <Stslaptop> they really pulled completely out of japan?
Jan 03 12:29:00 <Stslaptop> with chargers and everything?
Jan 03 12:29:05 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, I hope that you don't have to go through as much n800 chargers as me (hint, ac-5x owns)
Jan 03 12:29:40 <johnx> Stskeeps, nah. NTT still sells Nokia phones. just have to see if they sell chargers too.
Jan 03 12:29:48 <Stslaptop> .. probably
Jan 03 12:29:56 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, is that a Nokia brand charger or 3rd party
Jan 03 12:30:27 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, a nokia one, it's been my longest working charger
Jan 03 12:30:34 <johnx> UK though
Jan 03 12:30:41 <Stslaptop> ac-5
Jan 03 12:31:16 <Stslaptop> +variant
Jan 03 12:31:16 <Stslaptop> :P
Jan 03 12:31:41 <johnx> seem to have an ac-4u
Jan 03 12:31:52 <johnx> 100-240v / 50-60Hz
Jan 03 12:32:14 <Meizirkki> Stslaptop: Cancel button does not work :P
Jan 03 12:32:24 <Meizirkki> installer just keeps going
Jan 03 12:32:31 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, 4u should be fine, just NEVER get a 3u
Jan 03 12:32:41 <johnx> I'll keep that in mind
Jan 03 12:34:07 <qwerty12_N800> 3u's are too underpowered for the tablets, you'll think it's charging but in reality...
Jan 03 12:35:01 <Meizirkki> Stslaptop: I selected mmcblk0p4 for swap, in terminal it says: mkswap: can't open '/dev/mmcblk1p4': No such file or directory
Jan 03 12:35:07 <johnx> maybe I should just build one out of parts :/
Jan 03 12:36:38 <Meizirkki> Stslaptop: what's a userspace-partition??
Jan 03 12:37:08 <johnx> oooh, got a line on a US/JP plug AC-5U :D
Jan 03 12:37:18 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: hmm.
Jan 03 12:37:20 <Meizirkki> Stslaptop: NOOO!!
Jan 03 12:37:28 <qwerty12_N800> wicked :D
Jan 03 12:37:41 <Meizirkki> partition select thing uses wrong card :(
Jan 03 12:38:12 <Meizirkki> I just mkdosfs my cloned diablo
Jan 03 12:38:22 <Stskeeps> which then proves fanoush's internal/external code doesnt work sanely under maemo
Jan 03 12:38:55 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: sorry to hear that :(
Jan 03 12:38:55 <qwerty12_N800> which proves nokia fucked things up with the int. 2gb :P
Jan 03 12:39:02 <Meizirkki> hmm... trying again..
Jan 03 12:40:06 <Meizirkki> Stskeeps: no problem.. i can always clone it again
Jan 03 12:40:30 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: but "good" to know that the internal external code fucks up immensely..
Jan 03 12:40:50 <Meizirkki> it fucked up with deblet installer too
Jan 03 12:41:00 <Meizirkki> but only with n810
Jan 03 12:41:35 <Stskeeps> do me a favour..
Jan 03 12:41:36 <Stskeeps> sec
Jan 03 12:42:30 <Meizirkki> ok
Jan 03 12:43:37 <Stskeeps> cat  /sys/block/mmcblk0/device/../slot_name
Jan 03 12:43:39 <Stskeeps> cat  /sys/block/mmcblk1/device/../slot_name
Jan 03 12:43:47 <Stskeeps> (and tell me which one you think is which)
Jan 03 12:45:42 <Meizirkki> is says: external for mmcblk0
Jan 03 12:45:56 <Meizirkki> internal for mmcblk1
Jan 03 12:46:15 <johnx> ah, so the kernel lies. cute.
Jan 03 12:46:19 <Stslaptop> is that correct or not? :P
Jan 03 12:46:28 <Meizirkki> not correct in maemo
Jan 03 12:46:32 <Stslaptop> lovely
Jan 03 12:46:58 <Meizirkki> in Mer, mmcblk0 is external and mmcblk1 is internal
Jan 03 12:46:58 <johnx> eh?
Jan 03 12:47:16 <johnx> on n810? think it's the same as maemo on an n800
Jan 03 12:47:28 <Meizirkki> in maemo mmcblk0 in internal
Jan 03 12:48:00 <Stslaptop> so the output lies? :P
Jan 03 12:48:15 <Meizirkki> in maemo: when i take external card off, i can still mount partitions in mmcblk0
Jan 03 12:48:26 <Stslaptop> also, this output is from maemo, right?
Jan 03 12:48:46 <Meizirkki> yes, the output lies
Jan 03 12:49:03 <Meizirkki> in Mer/deblet/ubuntu: mmcblk1 is the internal
Jan 03 12:49:14 <Meizirkki> sorry about the confusion i made :P
Jan 03 12:50:20 <Stslaptop> k
Jan 03 12:50:37 <Meizirkki> installer won't work as it should
Jan 03 12:50:52 <Meizirkki> it fails to mount
Jan 03 12:51:03 <Stslaptop> k, ta
Jan 03 12:51:08 <Stslaptop> any other people with N810s around?
Jan 03 12:51:51 <Stslaptop> Meizirkki: what does sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 say?
Jan 03 12:52:29 <Meizirkki> sec
Jan 03 12:56:14 <Meizirkki> !!
Jan 03 12:56:36 <Meizirkki> my tablet is so full i can't save terminal output of installer into a text file
Jan 03 12:58:28 <Stskeeps> neat
Jan 03 13:00:29 <Meizirkki> installer output with small description @ trac.tspre.org
Jan 03 13:01:23 <Stslaptop> thanks, you might want to remove the mer-armel-n8x0-image-v0.4.tar.gz
Jan 03 13:01:23 <Stslaptop>  from your internal flash
Jan 03 13:01:23 <Stslaptop> :P
Jan 03 13:02:04 <Meizirkki> yep, i removed it
Jan 03 13:02:07 <Stslaptop> i'll pass that on to b-man
Jan 03 13:02:12 <Meizirkki> k
Jan 03 13:03:21 <johnx> lulz. looks like the nokia charging solution in Japan is "buy an ac adapter for a normal ntt phone, then buy a little converter plug to plug it into your nokia phone"
Jan 03 13:04:21 <qwerty12_N800> You should have stocked up on chargers  :p
Jan 03 13:04:34 <Meizirkki> Stslaptop: sfdisk output uploaded
Jan 03 13:04:35 <qwerty12_N800> seriously through, kinda sucks :/
Jan 03 13:04:40 <Meizirkki> it looked weird
Jan 03 13:05:08 <johnx> it is kinda cool, because they make cheap "emergency power packs" for NTT phones that take AAs
Jan 03 13:05:38 <qwerty12_N800> hehe, N800 + AA batteries... :p
Jan 03 13:06:25 <johnx> good in an emergency
Jan 03 13:06:53 <johnx> and I have plenty of rechargeables floating around
Jan 03 13:07:15 <qwerty12_N800> Looking at the size of the N800 battery, I just couldn't imagine it lasting long on AA's
Jan 03 13:07:22 <RST38h> go for the car battery!
Jan 03 13:08:54 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, only if you agree to carry it around for me :P
Jan 03 13:09:09 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, 1500mAh x 3.7v = 5.5Wh, 1.5v * 2000mAh * 2 = 6Wh
Jan 03 13:09:17 <johnx> unless my math is off?
Jan 03 13:09:37 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: sfdisk -uM -l /dev/mmcblk0
Jan 03 13:09:59 <johnx> granted the voltage conversion is probably ~80% efficient on something so small and cheap
Jan 03 13:10:25 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: actually, sfdisk -uM -s /dev/mmcblk0
Jan 03 13:17:16 <ShadowJK> and you're probably better off using 1.2V for that calculation if you're using nimh
Jan 03 13:17:26 <ShadowJK> (and 1.0 with alkaline because they're so weak ;-)
Jan 03 13:18:01 <johnx> still, it's the right order of magnitude
Jan 03 13:18:18 <johnx> it should give me at least another 50% runtime
Jan 03 13:24:35 <johnx> wow...canola-cleanup is not my favorite application :(
Jan 03 13:26:05 <johnx> just removed osso-software-version-rx34 and mplayer and bluemaemo
Jan 03 13:26:39 <RST38h> wow
Jan 03 13:26:47 <RST38h> mplayer I can understand but why the rest?
Jan 03 13:27:04 <johnx> they depended on some "canola" libs
Jan 03 13:27:09 <johnx> like the libe** stuff
Jan 03 13:27:15 <qwerty12_N800> bluemaemo depends on python efl stuff, same as canola
Jan 03 13:27:45 <johnx> as for osso-software-version-rx34...and flash-and-reboot, and diablo-kernel-flasher...not so sure there :/
Jan 03 13:28:19 <johnx> ah well. certainly have more space now
Jan 03 13:29:11 <RST38h> but this basically means that your system update is gone?
Jan 03 13:29:46 <qwerty12_N800> osv  doesn't take long to install back
Jan 03 13:29:57 <RST38h> umgh
Jan 03 13:30:09 <johnx> yeah, I can just apt-get by hand, but I wouldn't call this "optimal behavior"
Jan 03 13:31:29 <RST38h> looks like some guy has just done a non-python sensors applet for the desktop
Jan 03 13:36:57 <johnx> Meiz_n810, Meizirkki, ports.ubuntu.com is back
Jan 03 13:42:22 <Stslaptop> b-man: internal/external card lookup fails to work properly on N810, and http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/output
Jan 03 13:42:56 <b-man> hmmm
Jan 03 13:42:59 <Stslaptop> there should probably be some warnings "are you absolutely damn sure you want to format mmcblk1 etc :P" and showing current partition table etc
Jan 03 13:43:22 <Stslaptop> and error checking, maybe set -x once interactive part is over
Jan 03 13:44:53 <b-man> oh, i see, that funny little bug showed up again; it tryes to download to root instead of /mnt/mer. :P
Jan 03 13:45:15 <b-man> i'll fix that :)
Jan 03 13:46:17 <Stslaptop> alright
Jan 03 13:47:40 <b-man> it looks like it failed at creating a bootmenu item and /mnt/mer directory also. :( how much free space did you have before using the installer?
Jan 03 13:48:26 <b-man> edit; never mind
Jan 03 13:48:33 <Stslaptop> Meizirkki did the testing, so :)
Jan 03 13:49:06 <RST38h> Am I missing something or is 5800 display 24bpp only?
Jan 03 13:49:15 <b-man> it looks like he's missing /mnt/mer and /etc/bootmenu.d ;)
Jan 03 13:49:24 <Stslaptop> mkdir -p :P
Jan 03 13:49:31 <Stslaptop> (make sure its there)
Jan 03 13:49:50 <b-man> i thaught it was there ;p
Jan 03 13:50:18 * b-man revuews some code
Jan 03 13:52:16 <RST38h> In case anybody still needs it, "Developing Applications in the Maemo Platform Training Course" has been published by Nokia on Dec 29th
Jan 03 13:52:47 * RST38h is looking for the S60e3->S60e5 migration guide though
Jan 03 13:55:33 <b-man> the target directory creation section is there, but the mkdir -p /etc/bootmenu.d section is not. :p
Jan 03 13:56:04 <Stslaptop> fair enough :P
Jan 03 13:56:05 <b-man> fixed that :)
Jan 03 13:56:16 <b-man> hehe
Jan 03 13:57:00 <b-man> i'll update the deb in s sec, hold on
Jan 03 13:57:19 <Stslaptop> remember to up the version
Jan 03 13:57:46 <Stslaptop> also, we should probably do something about the check for internal/external card :P
Jan 03 13:57:52 <Stslaptop> i'm not sure what though
Jan 03 13:58:28 <b-man> done :)
Jan 03 13:59:04 <Stslaptop> since the kernel lies to us :P
Jan 03 13:59:45 <johnx> May:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/mmci-omap.1/mmc_host\:mmc0/slot_name
Jan 03 13:59:45 <johnx> internal
Jan 03 13:59:58 <johnx> seems it really is lying on the N810?
Jan 03 14:00:03 <johnx> pretty crazy
Jan 03 14:00:10 <Stslaptop> or the internal card is wired as the external slot? :P
Jan 03 14:00:16 <Stslaptop> b-man: n800 or n810?
Jan 03 14:00:25 <b-man> n800
Jan 03 14:00:32 <johnx> that'd do it :)
Jan 03 14:00:54 <johnx> heh. reverse the check on n810?
Jan 03 14:01:20 <johnx> could someone else here with an n810 run that command and paste the output?
Jan 03 14:02:34 <cityL3> hi
Jan 03 14:02:40 <johnx> hello
Jan 03 14:02:56 <cityL3> how can I ask maemo to open .java files with the geany editor not notes?
Jan 03 14:03:13 <b-man> new installer; http://rapidshare.com/files/179360448/merinstaller-1.3.1-1.armel.deb.html
Jan 03 14:03:31 <Stslaptop> b-man: let me just give you a place to upload to with scp
Jan 03 14:03:49 <Stslaptop> much easier really :P
Jan 03 14:03:58 <qwerty12_N800> cityL3, You could try pipeline's dbus-switchboard but you may have to add geany to the list manually
Jan 03 14:04:08 <RST38h> Ok, happy to see that the poor critter behaves in the expected fashion. In fact, the whole migration guide is just a few screens.
Jan 03 14:04:27 <RST38h> This thing is no iPhone by any measure (fortunately)
Jan 03 14:06:50 <alterego> RST38h: where's the new training material you mentioned earlier?
Jan 03 14:07:14 <Meizirkki> sfdisk -uM -s /dev/mmcblk0 uploaded
Jan 03 14:07:37 <cityL3> qwerty12_N800: when I run file test.java I get: ASCII C++ program text
Jan 03 14:08:24 <alterego> Oh found it :)
Jan 03 14:08:28 <cityL3> qwerty12_N800: I want to edit /usr/share/applications/defaults.list to add it
Jan 03 14:08:31 <alterego> RST38h: nevermind ^^
Jan 03 14:08:49 <cityL3> what is dbus-switchboard?
Jan 03 14:09:00 <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: what size is your real external card?
Jan 03 14:09:17 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: 4gb
Jan 03 14:09:32 <alterego> cityL3: http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/utils/dbus-switchboard.htm
Jan 03 14:09:40 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: but remember... mmcblk0 is the internal
Jan 03 14:09:46 <Meiz_n810> in maemo
Jan 03 14:09:47 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 03 14:09:56 <Stskeeps> that's really awkward. the kernel directly lies to us
Jan 03 14:10:09 <Stskeeps> on a N810 at least
Jan 03 14:10:18 <Meizirkki> but i have now faster internet :P
Jan 03 14:10:27 <RST38h> alterego: Maemo training at Forum Nokia
Jan 03 14:10:34 <johnx> Stskeeps, it seems that way. I'd like to get a couple points of reference on that though...
Jan 03 14:10:41 <alterego> RST38h: yeah, I found it. It just wasn't under the maemo section ;)
Jan 03 14:10:48 <Stskeeps> johnx: poll on iTT? :P
Jan 03 14:10:59 <RST38h> yes, it seems to be for S60 developers, almost an invitation to migrate :)
Jan 03 14:12:46 <cityL3> alterego and qwerty12_N800 thanks
Jan 03 14:12:55 <alterego> np
Jan 03 14:19:03 <johnx> so, any way to see if the battery is charging under Mer?
Jan 03 14:35:14 <RST38h> johnx: you can cat the /proc file
Jan 03 14:36:32 <johnx> munch on retu values manually you mean?
Jan 03 14:36:40 <johnx> nah, kcbatt works just fine :)
Jan 03 14:37:42 <RST38h> semi-manually, as it is already in ascii there
Jan 03 14:37:54 <b-man> Stskeeps; my f*cking pos computer crashed and i lost the password >:( what was the password again?, sorry. :(
Jan 03 14:40:48 <Meizirkki> johnx: Stskeeps used statusbar-battery from nokia repo while ago
Jan 03 14:40:56 <Meizirkki> it worked fine, he said.
Jan 03 14:41:24 <johnx> not in maemo right now, but qwerty12_N800 reminded me about kcbatt, so I'm good for now
Jan 03 14:41:35 <johnx> stupid fragile charger pin
Jan 03 14:44:40 * b-man hacks the deblet splash screen to work in Ubuntu :)
Jan 03 14:48:08 <Meizirkki> b-man: say the output of the mer-installer i uploaded when you were not here?
Jan 03 14:48:15 <Meizirkki> s/say/saw
Jan 03 14:48:56 <b-man> yes, i saw it, and hopfuly fixed the problem ;)
Jan 03 14:49:16 <Meizirkki> have you uploaded new version?
Jan 03 14:49:23 <Meizirkki> *wanna try*
Jan 03 14:49:34 <b-man> hold on..
Jan 03 14:50:16 <b-man> http://rapidshare.com/files/179360448/merinstaller-1.3.1-1.armel.deb.html
Jan 03 14:50:26 <Meizirkki> thanks
Jan 03 14:50:59 <b-man> i haven't uploaded it to my ftp just yet, but eventually will :)
Jan 03 14:54:26 <Meizirkki> it's here too: http://personal.inet.fi/surf/deweb/evo/merinstaller-1.3.1-1.armel.deb
Jan 03 14:54:40 <b-man> thank you
Jan 03 14:56:15 <Meizirkki> i uploded it just because i want to have way to wget it to my tablet. :P
Jan 03 14:56:40 <b-man> heh
Jan 03 14:56:50 <b-man> ok :p
Jan 03 14:57:53 <RST38h> Hmmm...minor problem. 5800 does not know anything about 16bpp mode
Jan 03 14:58:35 <Meizirkki> b-man: still same happens..
Jan 03 14:58:45 <johnx> RST38h, wow...that's not gonna help performance
Jan 03 14:58:48 <Meizirkki> should i remove the earlier version first?
Jan 03 14:59:08 <RST38h> johnx: no, it won't help =(
Jan 03 14:59:20 <RST38h> especially considering that the phone switched into 12bpp instead
Jan 03 14:59:46 <lcuk> gcc params, i have created libliqpaint.so.1  how do i link that with an app, its stored in same place as source for now
Jan 03 15:00:26 <b-man> Meizirkki, do you have /etc/bootmenu.d and /mnt/mer?
Jan 03 15:00:28 <lcuk> it keeps telling me it cant find it when i use -llibliqpaint.so.1 param
Jan 03 15:01:02 <Meizirkki> b-man yes
Jan 03 15:01:55 <johnx> lcuk, maybe gcc foo.c -L./ -llibliqpaint.so.1 -o foo
Jan 03 15:01:59 * johnx guesses
Jan 03 15:02:00 <b-man> it might still be downloading to the wrong directory. what's in your /root directory?
Jan 03 15:02:31 <lcuk> johnx, ive done the compilation part, ive got liqstars.o - ill try
Jan 03 15:02:48 <Meizirkki> b-man: it downloads to /mnt/mer there is just nothing mounted to it
Jan 03 15:04:05 <b-man> oh, ok, i'll take a nother look. i had this same problem, but (had) it fixed.
Jan 03 15:04:24 <lcuk> ahhhh, ive created a dynamic lib
Jan 03 15:04:29 <lcuk> different kettle of fish
Jan 03 15:08:13 <johnx> shouldn't matter, IIUC
Jan 03 15:08:40 <johnx> it's just -l in either case, but it won't look in ./ by default
Jan 03 15:13:17 <b-man> Meizirkki, hmmm... it looks like the target partition variable is not regestering. does the installer provide you a list of partitions to install mer to?, it shuld.
Jan 03 15:14:25 <Meizirkki> i did not
Jan 03 15:15:03 <Meizirkki> I selected:
Jan 03 15:15:03 <Meizirkki> advanced
Jan 03 15:15:03 <Meizirkki> external
Jan 03 15:15:03 <Meizirkki> skip partitioing (i have already done it)
Jan 03 15:15:03 <Meizirkki> ext3
Jan 03 15:15:04 <Meizirkki> no userspace partition (i already have fat-partition)
Jan 03 15:15:06 <Meizirkki> it never asked me witch partition to format or use for mer and it failed to mount.
Jan 03 15:15:08 <Meizirkki> Root shell enabled
Jan 03 15:15:10 <Meizirkki> obtaining product information...
Jan 03 15:15:12 <Meizirkki> product version RX-44
Jan 03 15:15:14 <Meizirkki> scanning available memory cards...
Jan 03 15:15:16 <Meizirkki> /mnt/mer available
Jan 03 15:15:18 <Meizirkki> starting internet...
Jan 03 15:15:20 <Meizirkki> select-connection[1934]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x1a800, e4e04b7e-acb9-4e1e-a239-077d01831cf1, WLAN_INFRA, 0)
Jan 03 15:15:25 <Meizirkki> select-connection[1934]: GLIB DEBUG default - connection_cb(0x1a800, 0x139a0, 0xacdcacdc)
Jan 03 15:15:27 <Meizirkki> select-connection[1934]: GLIB DEBUG default - CONNECTED (e4e04b7e-acb9-4e1e-a239-077d01831cf1, WLAN_INFRA, 0, 0)
Jan 03 15:15:30 <Meizirkki> advanced installer selected
Jan 03 15:15:32 <Meizirkki> ext3
Jan 03 15:15:34 <Meizirkki> Usage: mkfs.ext3 [-c|-t|-l filename] [-b block-size] [-f fragment-size]
Jan 03 15:15:36 <Meizirkki>         [-i bytes-per-inode] [-j] [-J journal-options] [-N number-of-inodes]
Jan 03 15:16:06 * b-man starts planning a rewrite of the installer :(
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki>         [-m reserved-blocks-percentage] [-o creator-os] [-g blocks-per-group]
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki>         [-L volume-label] [-M last-mounted-directory] [-O feature[,...]]
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki>         [-r fs-revision] [-R options] [-qvSV] device [blocks-count]
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> /usr/libexec/mer/merinstall.sh: line 415: ext2: not found
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> mmcblk0p4 selected for swap
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 254979584 bytes
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Veggen> Weizirkii: pastebin is a good invention
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> skiping user-space
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> writing bootmenu item...
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> /usr/libexec/mer/merinstall.sh: line 415: cannot create /etc/bootmenu.d/mer-advanced-int.item: No space left on device
Jan 03 15:16:06 <qwerty12_N800> ~pastebin
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> target directory available
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> mounting to /mnt/mer...
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko': File exists (-1): File exists
Jan 03 15:16:06 <Meizirkki> insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko': File exists (-1): File exists
Jan 03 15:16:07 <Meizirkki> insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/jbd.ko': File exists (-1): File exists
Jan 03 15:16:08 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Jan 03 15:16:09 <Meizirkki> insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko': File exists (-1): File exists
Jan 03 15:16:11 <Meizirkki> mount: can't find /mnt/mer in /etc/fstab
Jan 03 15:16:13 <Meizirkki> checking for md5sum
Jan 03 15:16:15 <Meizirkki> md5sum is allrety available
Jan 03 15:16:17 <Meizirkki> running mirror options...
Jan 03 15:16:18 <qwerty12_N800> ~pastebin
Jan 03 15:16:19 <Meizirkki> /usr/libexec/mer/merinstall.sh: line 415: cannot create /usr/libexec/mer/
Jan 03 15:16:19 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Jan 03 15:16:21 <Meizirkki> after "ext3" there is something weird
Jan 03 15:16:25 <Meizirkki> it is here too http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/output
Jan 03 15:16:27 <Meizirkki> yea i know _P
Jan 03 15:16:28 <b-man> qwerty12 lol
Jan 03 15:16:29 <Meizirkki> s/_P/:P/
Jan 03 15:16:29 <infobot> Meizirkki meant: yea i know :P
Jan 03 15:16:45 <qwerty12_N800> Meizirkki, so, why flood?
Jan 03 15:16:51 <Meizirkki> sorry
Jan 03 15:16:51 <b-man> lol
Jan 03 15:16:54 <lcuk> well it stopped moaning now i made it as a .so but it wont link
Jan 03 15:18:42 <lcuk> can i list the exports in a library?
Jan 03 15:19:55 <b-man> Meizirkki, how much free space do you have on your device, i noticed a "no space left on device" error.
Jan 03 15:20:13 <b-man> for /etc/bootmenu.d
Jan 03 15:20:48 <Meizirkki> 11,5mb before it begins to download
Jan 03 15:21:14 * b-man has a headache
Jan 03 15:22:26 <b-man> hmmm
Jan 03 15:26:42 <b-man> it looks like i'll need some time to work this problem out, i'll be back in a while.
Jan 03 15:49:49 <b-man> Meizirkki; http://rapidshare.com/files/179391102/merinstaller-1.4.1-1.armel.deb.html
Jan 03 15:52:44 <lcuk> oooh
Jan 03 15:53:04 <lcuk> i has liqstars running via libliqpaint
Jan 03 15:53:18 <johnx> that was *fast* O_o
Jan 03 15:53:25 <johnx> I mean in terms of separating it out into a lib
Jan 03 15:53:34 <lcuk> ive been thinking about whats needed for a while
Jan 03 15:53:45 <alterego> Anyone know what osso_cp_plugin_* is all about?
Jan 03 15:53:45 <lcuk> its not right and its not the new code
Jan 03 15:53:58 <lcuk> but its enough to use - its what all of liqbase released version works from
Jan 03 15:54:40 <lcuk> im unhappy with most of it, but it works
Jan 03 15:55:23 <lcuk> in terms of classes, there is : liqapp,   liqcanvas,       liqimage,liqfont,liqdraw,     then everything is actually drawn onto a liqcliprect
Jan 03 15:56:07 <lcuk> ok, lemme try and clean this up today and see whether everything works
Jan 03 15:56:16 <lcuk> im gonna make a load of stand alone example modules
Jan 03 15:56:30 <lcuk> then get back onto my actual app
Jan 03 15:57:25 <bakarat> i'm trying to sync my gpe-* apps with evolution
Jan 03 15:57:36 <bakarat> but i can only seem to track down an ancient tutorial for the n770 while i have the n810
Jan 03 15:57:43 <bakarat> i have installed the opensync plugin for evolution
Jan 03 15:57:51 <bakarat> but it makes little sense without a decent how to :D
Jan 03 15:58:05 <bakarat> i indicated "network" as the type (since i'm connection to wifi with the pda)
Jan 03 15:58:10 <bakarat> but i don't have to enter an ip or anything?
Jan 03 15:59:24 <qwerty12> alterego, dunno if you got an answer so, osso_cp_plugin_* are about manipulating control panel plugins. osso_cp_plugin_exec will run an control panel applet
Jan 03 15:59:40 <qwerty12> s/applet/plugin/
Jan 03 15:59:40 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: alterego, dunno if you got an answer so, osso_cp_plugin_* are about manipulating control panel plugins. osso_cp_plugin_exec will run an control panel plugin
Jan 03 15:59:45 <alterego> qwerty12: oh, cool :) Thanks.
Jan 03 15:59:48 * qwerty12 stops thinking in windows
Jan 03 16:00:38 <Pavlz> hi
Jan 03 16:01:01 <qwerty12> s/osso_cp_plugin_exec/osso_cp_plugin_execute/
Jan 03 16:01:01 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: alterego, dunno if you got an answer so, osso_cp_plugin_* are about manipulating control panel plugins. osso_cp_plugin_execute will run an control panel applet
Jan 03 16:01:04 <qwerty12> np alterego :)
Jan 03 16:01:36 <Pavlz> i found the definitive charge battery for nokia 770
Jan 03 16:02:13 <Pavlz> an old charger battery for cellular phone
Jan 03 16:02:59 <Pavlz> an LG model TA-25GR3
Jan 03 16:03:32 <Pavlz> it's an input 100-240 Volt
Jan 03 16:04:11 <Pavlz> Output 4.6 Volt and 800 mAmpere
Jan 03 16:05:27 <Pavlz> it's necessary to remove the cable of cellular phone
Jan 03 16:05:58 <Pavlz> and mount the cable of nokia 770
Jan 03 16:06:03 <lcuk> ok johnx, so what now, its api isnt perfect, i know nothing about versioning theres a load of cruft, but basically libliqpaint exists :) should i apply for a new garage project
Jan 03 16:06:38 <johnx> don't you already have an scm you use?
Jan 03 16:06:43 <lcuk> or should i keep it in liqbase
Jan 03 16:06:48 <lcuk> thats what i was thinking
Jan 03 16:07:01 <johnx> just as long as it's public
Jan 03 16:07:35 <lcuk> of course :)
Jan 03 16:08:09 <lcuk> but for now liqbase itself doesnt use the library
Jan 03 16:08:40 <Pavlz> then if you want you can too put a heatsink on the shell of charger battery as i did and now works fine
Jan 03 16:08:48 <lcuk> it just and i think mangling it so it does would be wrong
Jan 03 16:09:19 <lcuk> i will create liqsketch and liqreader nice and fresh and cleanly ontop of the library :)
Jan 03 16:09:19 <Pavlz> without any problem and charge well the battery
Jan 03 16:10:02 <Pavlz> happy hacking
Jan 03 16:10:11 <Pavlz> Pavlz
Jan 03 16:10:20 <Meizirkki> b-man: it still refuses to ask me what partition to use
Jan 03 16:10:25 <Meizirkki> :(
Jan 03 16:10:38 <Pavlz> and happy GNU Year
Jan 03 16:12:05 <johnx> thanks for the info Pavlz
Jan 03 16:12:10 <Meizirkki> b-man, also, when i select swap partition: mmcblk0p4, it shows "mkswap: mmcblk1p4 no such file or directory"
Jan 03 16:13:28 <Meizirkki> oh, he's not online o_0
Jan 03 16:17:17 <lcuk> should i call the lib libliqbase
Jan 03 16:19:06 <lcuk> mmm other considerations, i will need to change the license to lgpl
Jan 03 16:20:41 <marcels> hey guys, I just flashed my 770 to the OS2008 version using SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin and it went all well and it is quitte stable, but it is very slow, using the browser is working very slow (I have to wait at least 10 sec. after each click with 100 percent CPU usage)
Jan 03 16:21:10 <marcels> I already made an extra swap partition on the flash drive
Jan 03 16:21:31 <marcels> but are there any other speed improvements I can make?
Jan 03 16:21:48 <bakarat> hmm ok, i got my computer & the pda to sync over the network, but i can't seem to distinguish between calendars on the pda?
Jan 03 16:21:59 <bakarat> as in, if i have 2 calendars on my computer and i sync, they get synced into a single one?
Jan 03 16:22:08 <bakarat> (which could pose a problem for reverse syncs?)
Jan 03 16:25:43 <johnx> marcels, maybe try a webkit based browser? such as tear? or midori?
Jan 03 16:25:56 <RST38h> Aaaaargh!
Jan 03 16:26:01 * RST38h found what is wrong
Jan 03 16:26:11 <RST38h> holy crap =(
Jan 03 16:27:56 <marcels> johnx, are these in the repo's?
Jan 03 16:30:04 * qwerty12 sighs about the joys of packaging...
Jan 03 16:35:28 <RST38h> All right, everybody stop eating unless you feel like throwing up
Jan 03 16:36:54 <nico_> navicore bug !!  can't calc my way when i use different map for src/desr
Jan 03 16:37:17 <nico_> hi !! happy new year
Jan 03 16:42:22 <RST38h> Because in its infinite wisdom, Nokia introduced a new pixel format in 5800 and REUSED the id from the old 12bpp format
Jan 03 16:48:05 <johnx> marcels, might not be. check on itt. also no guarantees how they'll work with OS2008HE
Jan 03 16:48:08 <alterego> Hmm, what's the package name for libgpsmgr?
Jan 03 16:48:32 <qwerty12> libgpsmgr_0.2-21_armel.dev
Jan 03 16:48:35 <alterego> Ah, it's in mameo explit.
Jan 03 16:48:39 <qwerty12> s/dev/deb/
Jan 03 16:48:40 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: libgpsmgr_0.2-21_armel.deb
Jan 03 16:48:42 <alterego> ~Maemo explicit
Jan 03 16:49:00 <qwerty12> /scratchbox/users/$USER/home/$USER/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.1/pool :P
Jan 03 16:49:25 <alterego> Yes, I've found it :P
Jan 03 16:49:49 <qwerty12> :D
Jan 03 16:54:30 * qwerty12 grins as his dirty hacks to the genlocalepkgs script works
Jan 03 16:54:58 <alterego> groovy.
Jan 03 16:55:07 * alterego writes libgpsmgr-ruby
Jan 03 16:56:10 <qwerty12> Although I'll have the en_GB locale installed in the main package, can't have real English being left out now, can we? :P
Jan 03 16:56:39 <alterego> It should be the only English!
Jan 03 16:56:59 <qwerty12> For sure! :D
Jan 03 16:58:35 <crashanddie> ~ping
Jan 03 16:58:36 <infobot> ~pong
Jan 03 17:02:22 <alterego> pang
Jan 03 17:08:53 <alterego> "No, we don't support Windows — get a better operating system." -- gpsd.berlios.de ^_^
Jan 03 17:21:24 <lcuk> ooooh
Jan 03 17:23:09 <RST38h> moooo?
Jan 03 17:23:21 <qwerty12> baaaa
Jan 03 17:23:23 <lcuk> liqliqpaint is alive!
Jan 03 17:23:35 <alterego> Heh
Jan 03 17:23:37 <qwerty12> Teh goggles! They do nothing!
Jan 03 17:24:06 <RST38h> liqliq would be a good name on its own =)
Jan 03 17:24:10 <lcuk> its written in an obscure variant of C though, northern99
Jan 03 17:24:26 <qwerty12> damn, guess I won't be looking at it then
Jan 03 17:24:42 <lcuk> with such wonderful constructs as:
Jan 03 17:24:57 <lcuk> aye up lad : fetch thee font definitions()
Jan 03 17:25:32 <lcuk> write that fancy scribble to th' wall over thar()
Jan 03 17:26:44 <lcuk> i cant just drop it under liqbase as it stands though, cos i had to strip some fancy stuff out to make it a clean liqbrary
Jan 03 17:27:56 <lcuk> RST38h, i decided to do the one thing: i dropped entirely the definition of my widget for now, people using sdl or pygame or (hint hint alterego) rubygame dont need it, they just need a way to draw pictures in places and write text and stuff
Jan 03 17:28:26 <alterego> :P
Jan 03 17:29:18 <qwerty12> While python SDL bindings have the exciting name of pygame, the imaginative ruby developers went for the equally exciting Ruby/SDL name :P
Jan 03 17:29:49 <RST38h> lcuk: yep.
Jan 03 17:30:10 <lcuk> my apps will still use my liqtile/vcell classes which allows things
Jan 03 17:30:18 <lcuk> but then other ppl can use it for whatever they want
Jan 03 17:32:24 <lcuk> it will need a change of license
Jan 03 17:32:32 <lcuk> i cant use the liqbase garage project :(
Jan 03 17:33:07 <lcuk> lgpl for libraries usually isnt it
Jan 03 17:33:34 <qwerty12> yeah, it's less stricter
Jan 03 17:33:52 <qwerty12> I think it allows it to be used in commercial things too - not sure
Jan 03 17:35:05 <Stslaptop> *nod*
Jan 03 17:35:23 <qwerty12> Thanks
Jan 03 17:37:57 <lcuk> do you think Stskeeps actually gives a hearty physical *nod* when he does that
Jan 03 17:40:16 <lcuk> ok, this is progressing quite nicely
Jan 03 17:40:37 <johnx> good question. usually I am actually grinning like a maniac when I type :D
Jan 03 17:41:40 <Stslaptop> lcuk: think of me of a long bearded man who nods in approval while sitting with his pipe in a leather chair :P
Jan 03 17:42:05 <lcuk> why think, you left your webcam on one night.    MY EYES! THE GOGGLES, THEY DO NOTHING!
Jan 03 17:42:23 <lcuk> why dont you do things like
Jan 03 17:42:24 <alterego> Okay, maemo-mapper has a nice use case of gpsmgr :)
Jan 03 17:42:26 <lcuk> *strokes beard*
Jan 03 17:42:49 <Stslaptop> a full beard is one of the best things of being an adult man
Jan 03 17:42:50 <Stslaptop> :P
Jan 03 17:43:15 <lcuk> and a fullbeard is useful for keeping a suppertime snack in
Jan 03 17:43:34 <lcuk> just find odd bits from lunch lurking away, you know like a chicken leg or caserole
Jan 03 17:44:00 * alterego is reminded of "The Twits"
Jan 03 17:44:40 * johnx fails at beards
Jan 03 17:44:58 <Stslaptop> you had some asian blood or how was it?
Jan 03 17:45:24 <johnx> nah, mostly Irish, somewhat Norwegian
Jan 03 17:45:50 <Stslaptop> ah
Jan 03 17:48:27 * Stskeeps thinks he has a bit of swedish, danish and german, but thats about it.
Jan 03 17:49:14 <johnx> my beard comes in all patchy. Can grow a fierce mustache though
Jan 03 17:49:29 * qwerty12 just resorts to a shaver
Jan 03 17:51:32 <Stslaptop> johnx: so what are you hacking on atm?
Jan 03 17:51:48 <johnx> trying to find out why update-alternatives doesn't love me
Jan 03 17:52:07 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 03 17:55:12 <Meiz_n810> hmm.. zenity (in Mer) depends on some gnome stuff...
Jan 03 17:55:27 <johnx> zenity in mer so far is just ubuntu's zenity
Jan 03 17:55:34 <qwerty12> I'm packaging zenity for Maemo
Jan 03 17:55:34 <Meiz_n810> yep
Jan 03 17:56:24 <Meiz_n810> nm-applet is weird ... it shows all near by ap:s buut is unable to connect :(
Jan 03 17:56:30 <Meiz_n810> (in Mer agn)
Jan 03 17:56:42 <johnx> I blame cx3110x
Jan 03 17:56:49 <Stslaptop> Meiz_n810: i had same problem though
Jan 03 17:57:01 <Stslaptop> it doesnt show connection or attempt at it
Jan 03 17:57:07 <johnx> even ifup wlan0 is kind of shakey
Jan 03 17:58:25 <Stslaptop> evening GAN800
Jan 03 17:59:04 <johnx> ok, update-alternatives will let me do x-window-manager but not x-session-manager
Jan 03 17:59:15 <Stslaptop> that's odd
Jan 03 17:59:27 <Stslaptop> you provide the alternative first, and then config to set it?
Jan 03 17:59:45 <qwerty12> ok, for zenity, I've split the packages like this: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/zenity.png . Any problems?
Jan 03 18:00:11 <johnx> update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-session-manager x-session-manager /usr/bin/start-hildon 50
Jan 03 18:00:22 <johnx> if I s/session/window/ it works
Jan 03 18:01:15 <lcuk> this feels so much better as a library :)
Jan 03 18:01:16 <Stslaptop> and if not, it does what?
Jan 03 18:01:19 <johnx> got it :)
Jan 03 18:01:24 <Stslaptop> ah
Jan 03 18:01:52 <johnx> one of my earlier attempts must have set it to manual mode, so when I ran it in auto mode it was politely deferring to me :)
Jan 03 18:02:32 <GAN800> Howdy
Jan 03 18:03:11 <lcuk> hiya gan
Jan 03 18:04:17 <johnx> how goes the war general?
Jan 03 18:06:46 <lcuk> johnx, not good by the looks of things, he apparantly still has his fingers but his eyes have been removed
Jan 03 18:07:20 <johnx> lcuk, I choose to believe he's typing me up a detailed status report on his onscreen keyboard :)
Jan 03 18:08:38 <lcuk> not on your nelly, he is a general, he is dictating a detailed status report and some female soldier lass is typing up his notes onto his onscreen keyboard
Jan 03 18:09:41 <GAN800> johnx, last day at work.
Jan 03 18:10:10 <lcuk> damn, i cant get my makefile to work, i want a simple file which for each *.c file will produce a same named binary (this is for examples folder)
Jan 03 18:10:51 <lcuk> RST38h, did you say you had something similar
Jan 03 18:12:09 <Stslaptop> GAN800: regarding mer & maemo.org sprint for january - we're getting closer to initial image, but think the only proposal i'd like to propose for jan 09 is discussion on mer repositories/builder and get the details down and such, and more discussion on redistribution
Jan 03 18:12:21 <Stslaptop> er, distribution, not redistribution
Jan 03 18:12:35 <Stslaptop> xmas holidays took a little more out of my time than expected :)
Jan 03 18:13:17 <johnx> you can say that again
Jan 03 18:13:21 <RST38h> lcuk: with the makefile?
Jan 03 18:13:27 <lcuk> yeah
Jan 03 18:13:37 <RST38h> Here is how you do it:
Jan 03 18:13:42 <RST38h> target: target.c
Jan 03 18:14:07 <RST38h>     $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -o $@ $<
Jan 03 18:14:13 <RST38h> for each example
Jan 03 18:14:38 <RST38h> For CFLAGS:
Jan 03 18:14:54 <GAN800> Stslaptop, don't have to tell me twice. <_<
Jan 03 18:15:25 <RST38h> CFLAGS = -Wall -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 gconf-2.0 libosso hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 --cflags --libs`
Jan 03 18:15:27 <lcuk> yeah i can get cflags and ldflags RST38h , thanks
Jan 03 18:15:30 <Stslaptop> GAN800: i said this already? :P my mind is messed up these days :)
Jan 03 18:15:42 <RST38h> where the line after pkg-config contains the Maemo libraries you are going to use
Jan 03 18:15:43 <Stslaptop> (or did you mean that xmas holidays took up more time for you too)
Jan 03 18:16:04 <johnx> Stslaptop, I think that was agreement from him :)
Jan 03 18:16:07 <lcuk> yeah rst, i already have: CFLAGS      = -fPIC -DUSE_MAEMO -Wall `freetype-config --cflags` `pkg-config --cflags  $(LIBRARIES)`
Jan 03 18:16:08 <johnx> I'm gonna have to start gearing up for next christmas soon if it's gonna be like this one O_o
Jan 03 18:16:23 <GAN800> Stslaptop, maybe an Americanism. But I mean that I know exactly what you're saying. ;)
Jan 03 18:16:30 <lcuk> and a list of libraries in LIBRARIES
Jan 03 18:17:48 <lcuk> RST38h, do i have to specify each *.c file or can i enumerate from the folder (like i said i didnt want to do for the main code :D lol)
Jan 03 18:19:26 <RST38h> lcuk: If you want to create separate binaries from them, you should specify such a rule for each .c file
Jan 03 18:19:32 <RST38h> lcuk: at the top, add this line:
Jan 03 18:19:44 <RST38h> all:<tab><list of all binaries>
Jan 03 18:20:10 <lcuk> people like simple examples instead of monolithic ones im gonna just put a few together :$
Jan 03 18:20:10 <RST38h> this way, when you type "make" or "make all", it will know to compile all binaries
Jan 03 18:20:42 <lcuk> well this is the examples folder, i thought there was a way to just basically run gcc on everything
Jan 03 18:21:00 <lcuk> but if not ill just list all of them
Jan 03 18:23:25 <johnx> haha! auto-startx and hildon-desktop-env play nice :)
Jan 03 18:26:03 <johnx> next step: trim the init script out of maemo-launcher ... tomorrow
Jan 03 18:26:14 <johnx> 'night all
Jan 03 18:26:28 <GAN800> night
Jan 03 18:27:46 <lcuk> johnx, see you in a few minutes
Jan 03 18:28:55 <johnx> lcuk, just because of that little remark I won't be responding to any more comments tonight ... oh wait :P
Jan 03 18:29:01 <lcuk> :D heh
Jan 03 19:08:59 <Meiz_n810> hello b-man
Jan 03 19:09:11 <b-man> hello
Jan 03 19:09:34 <b-man> how did merinstaller-1.4.1-1 go?
Jan 03 19:09:44 <b-man> eny errors?
Jan 03 19:09:54 <Meiz_n810> installer still doesn't want to ask me about partition to install
Jan 03 19:10:05 <Meiz_n810> :(
Jan 03 19:10:25 * b-man is flabergasted
Jan 03 19:10:32 <Meiz_n810> i used imager to get my Mer back
Jan 03 19:11:12 <b-man> it did not work even with 1.4.1-1??
Jan 03 19:11:24 <zs> is there any info how to create .deb package step by step?
Jan 03 19:11:41 <b-man> i tested it and it worked fine with me
Jan 03 19:11:54 * b-man is bewildered
Jan 03 19:12:05 <Meiz_n810> b-man n800 or n810?
Jan 03 19:12:09 <b-man> n800
Jan 03 19:12:21 <Meiz_n810> might be about it
Jan 03 19:13:32 <b-man> hmm, perhaps i could get someone with an N810 to help fine-tune the installer...
Jan 03 19:15:34 <b-man> Meiz_n810, you want to help in fine-tuneing? :)
Jan 03 19:15:50 <Meiz_n810> okay
Jan 03 19:16:01 <Meiz_n810> i'll help :)
Jan 03 19:16:09 <b-man> i'll upload the sorce :)
Jan 03 19:16:15 <Meiz_n810> k
Jan 03 19:18:02 <b-man> http://rapidshare.com/files/179451932/merinstaller-1.4.1-1.tar.gz.html
Jan 03 19:19:52 <Meiz_n810> !!
Jan 03 19:19:59 <Meiz_n810> i know what's wrong
Jan 03 19:20:09 <b-man> what!?!?!?
Jan 03 19:20:25 <Meiz_n810> when it asks me: would you like to partition, i selected no
Jan 03 19:20:48 <Meiz_n810> then it skipped the target selection
Jan 03 19:20:55 <Meiz_n810> (too)
Jan 03 19:22:01 <AI6PG> me
Jan 03 19:22:09 <b-man> i thaught i fixed that.... i guess it was the wrong script ;p
Jan 03 19:22:31 * b-man fells stupid
Jan 03 19:23:12 <b-man> zs; http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ - will tell you everything you need to know.
Jan 03 19:28:10 <qwerty12_N800> Hmm, would zenity be better if it used a hildon file selector? hmm, guess I'll have to make it do so anyway as gtk file selector is making zenity go crazy...
Jan 03 19:30:06 <b-man> i'd suggest hildon file select :)
Jan 03 19:30:35 <b-man> a lot easer to manage.
Jan 03 19:32:22 <qwerty12_N800> Yeah, I'm sending it to extras-devel tomorrow after spending an hour or two packaging it properly so getting in some hildonizations will be good :)
Jan 03 19:35:08 <b-man> i'm allmost done with the Ubuntu Jaunty on N8x0 guide :D expect to see it sometime tonight in the Debian thread. ;)
Jan 03 19:35:33 <b-man> it's verry long. :p
Jan 03 19:42:54 <Meiz_n810> why debian thread?
Jan 03 19:45:06 <b-man> because i just thaught that it would be a good place, unless you want me to contact Reggie and have a ubuntu thread :)
Jan 03 19:46:52 <Meiz_n810> i suggest to not use the subforums, then just say in your message, that it would be great to have ubuntu/mer subforums :P
Jan 03 19:47:27 <Stskeeps> i'd wait personally with mer forums until its more established
Jan 03 19:47:57 <Meiz_n810> k
Jan 03 19:54:38 <b-man> Stskeeps, how did you get the vertual keyboard to work in mer? because my ubuntu-desktop keeps restarting every time i try to use xkbd or matchbox-keyboard.
Jan 03 19:55:02 <Stskeeps> b-man: it's hildon-input-method
Jan 03 19:55:18 <Stskeeps> and requires matchbox so
Jan 03 19:55:24 <Stskeeps> but its weird it restarts O_o
Jan 03 19:56:18 <b-man> it claims that xorg restarts because hal can't find proper keymaps.
Jan 03 19:56:30 <Stskeeps> not impossible i guess
Jan 03 19:56:44 <Stskeeps> xkbdata or the likes maybe
Jan 03 19:56:54 <Stskeeps> i dunno what hal is up to
Jan 03 19:56:58 <Stskeeps> google the error? :P
Jan 03 19:57:20 <b-man> it trys to look for kernel-keymaps... i think
Jan 03 19:57:37 <b-man> but can't find them, so it fails
Jan 03 19:57:43 <Stskeeps> console-data? :P
Jan 03 19:57:56 <b-man> i'll check.
Jan 03 20:07:38 <b-man> just installed it, hope my kb works..
Jan 03 20:08:06 * lcuk shakes his head @ make - my god its powerful but nothing at all like vb ;)
Jan 03 21:01:36 <solmumaha> any dbus-experts around?
Jan 03 21:02:34 <Proteous> I'm a shortbus expert
Jan 03 21:03:00 <solmumaha> anyone know if it's possible to somehow give a commandline argument to an app when started from the menu but not when started by dbus?
Jan 03 21:03:56 <x29a> hmm, apt-get says it cant find e2fsprogs, should i use the .deb that does it all instead?
Jan 03 21:04:07 <solmumaha> it works if i remove X-Osso-Service from the .desktop so that it uses the Exec, but then i don't get the "Starting app" banner
Jan 03 21:05:54 <qwerty12_N800> In your service file, you have an Exec option there too
Jan 03 21:07:04 <solmumaha> yes, but when started from the menu, it uses dbus which then uses that exec?
Jan 03 21:09:01 <qwerty12_N800> Yes, X-Osso-Service takes priority over the Exec line in the desktop file but I don't think I read your question properly
Jan 03 21:09:01 <x29a> hmm, is the 480MB really enough for the system?
Jan 03 21:09:08 <x29a> i want to boot from external, which is 8GB, i want to install a lot of appz, which will then go on / right?
Jan 03 21:10:55 <solmumaha> qwerty12_N800: when the app is started from the menu, it needs a commandline argument, but when it's started by an rpc call (dbus), it shouldn't get that argument
Jan 03 21:11:13 * alterego cheers.
Jan 03 21:11:24 <alterego> context = GPS.start; context.stop;
Jan 03 21:11:33 <alterego> That's all you need to do in ruby to start and stop the GPS daemon :)
Jan 03 21:11:46 <solmumaha> sounds complicated
Jan 03 21:11:48 <alterego> No more starting Nokia Maps just to read GPS data now ^_^
Jan 03 21:12:41 <qwerty12_N800> solmumaha, hmm, where else would it be launched via dbus apart from the menu?
Jan 03 21:12:55 <solmumaha> from a desktop applet
Jan 03 21:13:06 <x29a> folks, why is e2fsprogs not in apt-get?
Jan 03 21:13:27 <alterego> x29a: have you tried enabling the extras repository?
Jan 03 21:13:46 <x29a> alterego: yes, im in xterm
Jan 03 21:14:04 <alterego> How does being in xterm mean you've enabled the extras repository?
Jan 03 21:14:05 <x29a> i do have extras, but im trying to follow the guide to boot from external
Jan 03 21:14:27 <stelleg> hey anyone know how to kernel debug over usb?
Jan 03 21:14:40 <stelleg> the fading nokia sign isn't particularly helpful
Jan 03 21:15:06 <x29a> alterego: is there more then one 'extra repo'? i enabled the one which gives me a lot of apps to install via the graphical interface, but now im using apt-get
Jan 03 21:15:20 <alterego> Hmm
Jan 03 21:15:31 <alterego> Well, maybe it's not there then.
Jan 03 21:15:40 <x29a> hehe
Jan 03 21:18:26 <solmumaha> x29a: try enabling chinook extras
Jan 03 21:19:30 <x29a> hm, my sources.list is empty
Jan 03 21:19:42 <stelleg> oops
Jan 03 21:24:27 <x29a> solmumaha: adding the extra-devel helped
Jan 03 21:54:19 <born2wonderN810> hi everyone, can i run the mer bootmenu and flashing setup (deb package) without having to go through the required steps of downloading and extracting the rootfs?
Jan 03 22:00:54 <lcuk> \o/ i have test cases using the library for: grey font rendering, color font rendering, image blitting with and without blending, sketch blitting :D
Jan 03 22:00:56 <born2wonderN810> after installation of mer finished and the flashing seemingly done correctly , there is no bootmenu and NIT loads to flash automatically
Jan 03 22:01:27 <Mousey> hi
Jan 03 22:01:34 <Mousey> will minigpsd make my gps aquire faster?
Jan 03 22:03:06 <lcuk> no
Jan 03 22:03:35 <Mousey> ;_;
Jan 03 22:03:46 <lcuk> sure, they are here http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_204824.lib.scr.png
Jan 03 22:03:46 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_213257.lib.scr.png
Jan 03 22:03:46 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_213341.lib.scr.png
Jan 03 22:03:46 <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/liq.20090103_215839.lib.scr.png
Jan 03 22:03:49 <lcuk> balls
Jan 03 22:05:21 * qwerty12_N800 gets out his northerner to southerner converter
Jan 03 22:05:55 <lcuk> oi, i need something which doesnt come back to different chans when im talking
Jan 03 22:09:16 <Proteous> something which doesn't come back to different chans?
Jan 03 22:09:35 * Proteous boggles on lcuk's sentence
Jan 03 22:10:19 <qwerty12_N800> Proteous, don't worry about it, i just pretend to understand northerner
Jan 03 22:10:31 <qwerty12_N800> -er
Jan 03 22:11:07 <lcuk> at least my code isnt written in rabcnesbitt
Jan 03 22:11:42 <qwerty12_N800> see? who else understands that?
Jan 03 22:13:00 * qwerty12_N800 cackles loudly
Jan 03 22:13:47 <x29a> hm, i dont get it, when booting from external card, what goes in the 480MB dospartition and what in the rest of the sd card? i want to use my sdcard instead of flash/internal mmc
Jan 03 22:45:09 <rm_you> what happened to maemo-recorder?
Jan 03 22:45:29 <qwerty12_N800> still should be in extras iirc
Jan 03 22:45:33 <rm_you> hrm
Jan 03 22:48:45 <mib_ibbfeo> So I heard it's now possible to install Debian on an N810
Jan 03 22:48:53 <mib_ibbfeo> It's about time =) I've been waiting for that forever
Jan 03 22:50:23 <oli> qwerty12_N800: has anyone made anyremote script set for tablets yet?
Jan 03 22:52:52 <qwerty12_N800> oli, nope, only thing ever done was http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=209643&postcount=25 which I don't think is what you are looking for...
Jan 03 22:55:15 <oli> qwerty12_N800: yes, i've seen that post. I will try to modify it by myself. however it's nice to control mpd with my n6230i via bt :)
Jan 03 22:55:39 <qwerty12_N800> bemused mpd? :D
Jan 03 22:56:44 <oli> eee? no, normal mpd from maemo garage + anyremote bulit-in script
Jan 03 22:57:44 <qwerty12_N800> ah, thanks! Didn't know anyremote could do that, i built bemused mpd but it has an annoying disconnection problem
Jan 03 22:59:07 <oli> anyremote+mpd is excellent, but it's the only script that works OK
Jan 03 23:00:06 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, mplayer one gave me a funky double press problem last time iirc
Jan 03 23:00:09 <oli> other ex. file browsing need change, busybox ls has got other parameters than ls from gnu coreutils
Jan 03 23:00:59 <qwerty12_N800> busybox's one sucks, i use http://nitapps.com/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/color_ls_1.0-1_armel.deb
Jan 03 23:01:18 <qwerty12_N800> replaces ls safely with an coreutils one
Jan 03 23:01:31 <oli> i must have it, colors are really useful for me :)
Jan 03 23:02:01 <qwerty12_N800> yep, I can't live without ls with colour on tablet now :D
Jan 03 23:18:16 <b-man> ubuntu for nit's; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257 - have fun!
Jan 03 23:34:38 <lcuk> standard gtk, what do i use if i want just a small (100x100pixel) area
Jan 03 23:34:51 <lcuk> (with a backing x11 window)
Jan 03 23:35:09 <AStorm> DrawingArea
Jan 03 23:36:10 <lcuk> excellent, thank you :)
Jan 03 23:36:28 <lcuk> (was just clicking onto the page as well :D)
Jan 03 23:42:25 <b-man> born2wonder; http://rapidshare.com/files/179521540/merinstaller.deb.html
Jan 03 23:51:34 <b-man> lcuk, Astorm; http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254257#post254257 - take a look :D
Jan 03 23:52:11 <AStorm> meh ubuntu
Jan 03 23:52:24 <AStorm> I want a build of Gentoo :P
Jan 03 23:54:41 <b-man> someone is allrety working on Gentoo :)
Jan 03 23:57:06 <AStorm> I know
Jan 03 23:57:23 <AStorm> it should be simple really
Jan 03 23:57:32 <AStorm> I'm just strapped for time right now
Jan 04 00:07:47 <lcuk> ok, so i have a gtk window, it has a drawingarea on it, its kinda correctly refreshing in the frame, BUT, it is drawing itself, then gtk is drawing as well
Jan 04 00:08:19 <lcuk> how do i block refresh of the gtk drawingarea thing? make it completely ignorant of the gtk actions
Jan 04 00:08:58 <AStorm> uhm?
Jan 04 00:09:13 <AStorm> you are supposed to handle the expose event
Jan 04 00:09:33 <AStorm> blit to the window in it
Jan 04 00:10:42 <lcuk> no can do, like opengl, its a different layer
Jan 04 00:11:01 <AStorm> hmm
Jan 04 00:11:07 <AStorm> then handle it blank
Jan 04 00:11:13 <AStorm> or just block the event
Jan 04 00:11:56 <AStorm> actually, you could handle it anyway
Jan 04 00:11:56 <AStorm> redrawing nothing, only changing the overlay shape
Jan 04 00:13:33 <AStorm> handle it returning True
Jan 04 00:13:56 <AStorm> (sorry, talking pygtk, but it's the same in normal gtk)
Jan 04 00:39:02 <lcuk> ok, now im really confused
Jan 04 00:39:22 <lcuk> the xv overlay is infact being ummm overlayed by gtk still
Jan 04 00:43:19 <nomis> lcuk: xv "overlay" works by a key color. At least on a regular desktop X11.
Jan 04 00:43:38 <lcuk> o.O
Jan 04 00:43:52 <lcuk> but it shows if i draw outside of the expose event
Jan 04 00:44:09 <lcuk> if i do it in the expose event of the drawing_area it doesnt show at all
Jan 04 00:44:13 <AStorm> because it's an overlay!
Jan 04 00:44:33 <AStorm> you're supposed to redraw the key color in expose event
Jan 04 00:44:34 <lcuk> yeah AStorm agreed, then why is gtk drawing over part of it
Jan 04 00:44:52 <lcuk> the 2 areas are both the same color
Jan 04 00:44:55 <lcuk> white
Jan 04 00:45:27 <lcuk> i think the overlay part is not as we expect from desktop
Jan 04 00:45:39 <lcuk> nomis, i would expect what you said if it was a hardware overlay
Jan 04 00:46:26 <lcuk> i think its just the order things occur in, the LCD just blits rectangles over the top of each other with no specific hardware overlay - thats just a software abstraction within omapfb
Jan 04 00:46:28 <nomis> lcuk: quite possible. I have no real clue how it is implemented on the Devices.
Jan 04 00:46:45 <lcuk> yeah me neither, im not even sure i need to get head too far into this at this point
Jan 04 00:46:54 <lcuk> its beyond what i was thinking about earlier this morning
Jan 04 00:58:40 <pupnik_> As the sun set, I drank a guinness and looked at the stream.  http://pupnik.de/IndigoStream01.jpg
Jan 04 01:05:41 <Grackle> That looks awesome.
Jan 04 01:08:04 <b-man> i tryed to make my ubuntu anouncment over at #ubuntu - way too crazy over there. :p
Jan 04 01:10:29 <pupnik_> thanks Grackle
Jan 04 01:10:36 <b-man> e.g. 5 posts per second - i got buried
Jan 04 01:29:14 <lcuk> oooooooooooooh it works if i just have a window and a drawing_area
Jan 04 02:08:32 <lcuk> how in holy hell do i make gtk listen to and let me know about strange events
Jan 04 02:31:03 <alterego> What kind of strange events?
Jan 04 02:31:27 <alterego> Basically you add event masks to the widget you're connecting the signal handler to.
Jan 04 02:34:14 <lcuk> alterego, there is a ShmCompletionEvent which is sent to x11 when the data has been sent all the way to the lcd.  if i touch the data before this point it tears.  in native x11 i can see it, in gtk i have no way of seeing it
Jan 04 02:35:33 <lcuk> i can listen for things like "realize" "expose_event" but there doesnt seem to be a catchall for the events outside of GTKs knowledge
Jan 04 02:39:26 <alterego> You'll have to go straight to X11 via GDK then I'd imagine.
Jan 04 02:45:47 <derf> lcuk: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdk/stable/gdk-Windows.html#gdk-window-add-filter
Jan 04 02:46:35 <alterego> Yes, remember that Gtk actually uses Shm Completion Event too I believe.
Jan 04 02:46:36 <lcuk> :D thanks derf
Jan 04 02:46:56 <lcuk> i only wanna listen for it, not doing anything
Jan 04 02:47:42 <alterego> Fair nuff
Jan 04 02:48:08 <lcuk> anything drastic*
Jan 04 02:48:28 <alterego> ;)
Jan 04 02:49:37 <derf> Note that you may also need to call gdk_x11_register_standard_event_type()
Jan 04 02:50:14 <derf> E.g., gdk_x11_register_standard_event_type(display, XShmGetEventBase(display), ShmNumberEvents);
Jan 04 02:54:37 <lcuk> heh, this is taking much longer than i had considered :)
Jan 04 02:55:18 <lcuk> i was on such a roll today, built libliqbase, made a load of tests actually seem to have it running without the house crashing down.  expanded to see if i could pass in an existing window..
Jan 04 02:57:22 <pupnik_> good job lcuk
Jan 04 02:58:05 <robink> My BeagleBoard came
Jan 04 02:59:22 <Grackle> whee
Jan 04 02:59:36 <nomis> robink: which revision?
Jan 04 02:59:47 <nomis> (are they shipping rev. C1 yet?)
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