**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 13 02:59:57 2009 Jan 13 03:22:08 anyone around Jan 13 03:25:35 Hey Jan 13 03:25:47 Latest release version of maemo is 4.1 'diablo' I think Jan 13 03:25:53 It's what I'm running on my N810. Jan 13 03:25:55 5.2008.43-7 Jan 13 03:25:59 Right. Jan 13 03:30:06 how long it been out I still got 35-7 Jan 13 03:33:34 AFBN810, 43 is the week number Jan 13 03:33:41 Sargun: Have you had your vi today? Jan 13 03:34:00 infobot, die Jan 13 03:34:01 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. Jan 13 03:34:19 AFBN810, about a month, though. Jan 13 03:35:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Release_history Jan 13 03:46:40 I though os updates showed up in app manager Jan 13 03:47:00 AFBN810, they do. Jan 13 03:47:02 ~ssu Jan 13 03:47:03 somebody said ssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Jan 13 03:47:06 See the troubleshooting Jan 13 03:47:37 wonder why I don't see it Jan 13 04:17:24 someone with python and 5 minutes free to test how I can make hildon sound a wav? Jan 13 04:30:00 holy shit tropic thunder is a fucking riot Jan 13 04:31:19 lame Jan 13 04:31:25 you think? i think it's pretty fucking funny Jan 13 04:49:37 the webkit browser tear, is it like tear from your eye or tear paper? Jan 13 04:49:51 ok, just saw logo. It's eye tear :) Jan 13 04:51:18 I'm still going to call it tear as in paper Jan 13 04:51:51 hehe Jan 13 04:51:52 perhaps it's badly written tar Jan 13 04:52:09 I'm going to call it tear as in a tear from my eye because it's not working :( Jan 13 04:52:28 dispose of it and you can call it tear as in tear paper Jan 13 04:52:57 doc|home, try webkit-eal? Jan 13 04:53:29 doc|home, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/webkit-eal/ Jan 13 04:54:28 hmmm, ok Jan 13 05:04:31 GeneralAntilles: no difference, gtk_container_ad: assertion'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed Jan 13 05:06:18 Huh Jan 13 05:06:18 Restart? Jan 13 05:06:33 anyone using both 770 and 8x0? Jan 13 05:06:34 ok Jan 13 05:07:40 is performance of them is very far? Jan 13 05:08:34 LopLiii, N8x0 is way faster. Jan 13 05:12:20 GeneralAntilles: hmmm, no difference Jan 13 05:13:10 doc|home, weird. . . . Jan 13 05:16:59 thats weird Jan 13 05:17:14 anyone using them both? Jan 13 05:17:49 maybe to get a good bench is using mplayer to play some video Jan 13 05:18:33 Not really Jan 13 05:18:35 I have both Jan 13 05:18:39 N800 is so much faster. Jan 13 05:19:00 Browsing is worlds better. Jan 13 05:26:44 so0browsing is much faster and thus better on n800 but not much on multimedia perf. is that correct GeneralAntilles? Jan 13 05:27:51 Multimedia is a little better Jan 13 05:27:58 If im not wrong you have too tried zaurus, hos that compared for performance and capabilty? Jan 13 05:28:03 LCD bandwidth is limited, so there's more overhead on the N8x0 Jan 13 05:28:15 Haven't tried Zaurus Jan 13 05:28:22 But everybody I know who has says the tablets are waaay faster. Jan 13 05:28:59 anybody want to comment bout this? Jan 13 05:29:47 The Zauruss are ould Jan 13 05:29:55 and the XScale just doesn't stack up against ARM11 Jan 13 05:30:06 so the z with pxa is behind omap? Jan 13 05:30:13 Waaay behind Jan 13 05:31:13 someone told me , os200x is still using arm5 optimization for the code, any comment? Jan 13 05:33:01 lies Jan 13 05:37:29 LopLiii, OS2005 and OS2006 are, because the 770 is ARM9 Jan 13 05:37:36 But OS2007/OS2008 are armv6 Jan 13 05:38:48 thx for correct this Jan 13 05:40:02 do you have any difficulty regarding of the performance of 770 and 8x0 while running emulator such palm and games? Jan 13 05:40:35 N8x0 is way better Jan 13 05:41:05 useful/playful ? Jan 13 05:41:36 i mean so n8x0 will be usefull for that task? Jan 13 05:42:38 i think palm will be emulated fast enough. But donk know bout game emulator? Jan 13 05:44:35 Do you using tablets for reading a large pdf doc (size more than 40mb)? Is that opened and habdled properly (fast enough/usable)? Jan 13 05:45:16 sory bout mistyped word, keyb is just too small Jan 13 05:47:07 Evince is fine for PDFs Jan 13 05:47:12 Game emulation is pretty good Jan 13 05:47:16 GBA and GB work great Jan 13 05:50:36 morning Jan 13 05:51:21 GeneralAntilles: hi Jan 13 06:08:22 Hi, disco_st. Jan 13 06:08:25 s/./u/ Jan 13 06:08:27 GeneralAntilles meant: Hi, disco_stu Jan 13 06:08:33 Check out the woot description this morning. Jan 13 06:09:42 Check out the woot description this morning. <-- did not understand Jan 13 06:10:33 disco_stu, http://www.woot.com/ They're satirizing twitter Jan 13 06:11:10 i see. Jan 13 06:11:29 i created my fisrt twitter account a few hours ago Jan 13 06:11:33 i like it Jan 13 06:11:40 im using mauku Jan 13 06:13:56 hi have anybody use os2008he on 770, usable ? i mean with that not so fast system? Jan 13 06:14:40 LopLiii: not that usable imo Jan 13 06:15:57 LopLiii, depends very much on your use-case. Jan 13 06:16:02 and you shouldn't consider getting a 770 Jan 13 06:26:01 yeah im offered 770 and 800 with price diff about 100usd so i need to make a wise decision :) Jan 13 06:26:01 thanks god i can ask veterans here to gather a reliable answer Jan 13 06:26:22 when you see the 770 just RUN AWAY!!! Jan 13 06:26:42 any answer to use n8x0 series as pdf ebook reader (large size with images)? Jan 13 06:26:44 NO QUESTIONS JUST RUN!!! Jan 13 06:26:57 OK :) Jan 13 06:27:00 HEH Jan 13 06:27:03 er, heh Jan 13 06:27:05 Im running now :) Jan 13 06:27:24 pdf == slow to render even on fast hardware Jan 13 06:28:25 will it load then ? some pda just wont load it up or have a proper handle to make it readable.... Jan 13 06:28:36 for large size ebook Jan 13 06:28:55 I've read PDFs on my old 770 before it WSODed Jan 13 06:29:00 was slow but it worked ine Jan 13 06:29:02 er, fine Jan 13 06:29:08 haven't tried it on my n810 Jan 13 06:29:30 I wasn't loading multi hundered meg PDF files Jan 13 06:29:42 hundred Jan 13 06:29:54 man, me = !spell Jan 13 06:32:48 loading time is not to much concern ... but needs usable one ... and not that hundred megs .... only a half hundred :) ..... that command line is still not supported Proteus .... :) .. by me Jan 13 06:33:24 os1999 .... sory .... Jan 13 06:34:03 using some damaged language pack .... so here i am :) Jan 13 06:37:11 heh Jan 13 07:45:13 <`Mace> yawn Jan 13 07:54:16 <`Mace> hi Jan 13 07:54:48 hi Jan 13 07:54:52 keytool: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jan 13 07:55:03 how can i get libjli.so? Jan 13 08:07:49 morning all Jan 13 08:09:48 morning Jan 13 08:19:32 Children are pure evil. http://i39.tinypic.com/2d0jlma.jpg Jan 13 08:21:24 rofl Jan 13 08:21:33 now there's a cute picture Jan 13 08:36:49 awesome jpg heh Jan 13 08:55:22 ok turns out she is a meme... http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/disaster-girl Jan 13 08:55:35 *grin* Jan 13 08:58:02 the beer truck disaster... Jan 13 09:01:18 blah Jan 13 09:01:31 i am watching babylon 5 Jan 13 09:01:46 * aquatix is at work Jan 13 09:01:49 wow they just don't make good shows liket his anymore Jan 13 09:01:54 heh Jan 13 09:02:04 season 4 was spectactular Jan 13 09:02:11 season 5 was rather shitty Jan 13 09:03:35 * aquatix wants more time to watch serie Jan 13 09:03:37 *series Jan 13 09:10:35 * mgedmin got bored and gave up early in season 5 Jan 13 09:11:27 same here Jan 13 09:11:34 but I gave up much earlier Jan 13 09:11:42 * aquatix never started Jan 13 09:11:50 don't Jan 13 09:28:19 10:18 <@la**o> watching her [my girlfriend playing Crayon Physics] is like watching a monkey try to open a vault that has the combination painted right on the door. Jan 13 09:29:00 lol Jan 13 09:30:20 I watched all of babylon 5 Jan 13 09:30:32 the crusades movies were shit though Jan 13 09:30:43 wazd: ping? Jan 13 09:48:27 Morning Jan 13 09:48:31 wazd: ping Jan 13 09:56:45 morning all Jan 13 09:56:58 MOURNING, LARDMAN Jan 13 09:57:04 (sorry, caps was on) Jan 13 09:57:19 :) Jan 13 09:57:27 morning RST38h Jan 13 09:57:48 speaking of mourning, see the movie 'Harold and Maude' Jan 13 10:01:21 is it mournful enough? lots of tragic deaths? cemeteries? rainy scenes? Jan 13 10:01:49 fog too Jan 13 10:01:56 in the graveyards Jan 13 10:02:08 maybe, just maybe, a few good panoramas of the total destruction of humanity? Jan 13 10:02:53 (please! we are all tired of watching those Independence Day scenes) Jan 13 10:04:55 lardman: not only on graveyards here Jan 13 10:17:34 Well th emovie starts with a funeral so it should satisfy the requirements Jan 13 10:21:47 Hal Ashby was the director. Also did 'Being There' starring Peter Sellers Jan 13 10:35:39 Hehe, Quim's thread continues its spectacular eruption Jan 13 11:02:28 http://www.microsoft.com/tag/ <- should one worry, or just ignore? Jan 13 11:02:56 Aren't there already 20 variations of that idea already? Jan 13 11:03:33 probably, and none will catch on... Jan 13 11:08:13 yeah, it'd need major collaboration Jan 13 11:08:19 even M$ doesn't have enough power to do that Jan 13 11:09:12 Seems like most people on Planet don't click through. Jan 13 11:09:45 My community highlights post (which is arguably the much juicier post) has significantly more hearts than the wiki articles post. Jan 13 11:09:58 Which is shown in full while the highlights post is abbreviated. Jan 13 11:22:27 GeneralAntilles: did you know ahead of time which was going to be abbreviated? Perhaps more of a content summary than an introduction in future on the summarised ones? Jan 13 11:22:46 Jaffa, no, I'm sure it's a character count, but I don't know the number. Jan 13 11:22:52 I'm also sure X-Fade could tell me. Jan 13 11:23:05 Or maybe the abbreviation could be less severe. Jan 13 11:23:20 I'm loath to change my writing style for a stupid feed aggregator. ;) Jan 13 11:24:15 Yesterday I changed the length of the article cut-off. Jan 13 11:24:24 So maybe you see this? Jan 13 11:26:09 On the planet it cuts of at 1000 words. The news page at something like 250 orso. Jan 13 11:26:52 X-Fade, well, compare "Wiki articles you're missing out on" to "Community Highlights" http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ Jan 13 11:27:15 Noon everybody) Jan 13 11:27:52 GeneralAntilles: 6 words above the cut off ;) Jan 13 11:28:21 X-Fade, well, could we make the abbreviated posts less . . . abbreviated? Jan 13 11:28:36 If 1000 is the cutoff, then show 1000 words? Jan 13 11:28:59 GeneralAntilles: yes, the code now only takes the first paragraph if it is longer than the max number of words. Jan 13 11:29:00 Or allow the abstract to be written separately Jan 13 11:29:28 Which is easier to implement ;) Jan 13 11:30:04 But it would be a lot better to count until the max word is reached and show every paragraph before that. Jan 13 11:30:54 I trimmed 6 words for the time being. Jan 13 11:30:58 You want an enhancement request? Jan 13 11:31:26 Enhancement request or patch against: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/style/maemo2007/planet/index-item.php?revision=945&root=maemo2midgard :) Jan 13 11:33:05 wazd: Are you limiting the number of chars of content in your feed by intent or because it is the default setting? Jan 13 11:35:35 Whose gonna nab bug #4000? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 Jan 13 11:35:41 s/Whose/Who's/ Jan 13 11:35:41 GeneralAntilles meant: Who's gonna nab bug #4000? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 Jan 13 11:36:36 ooh Jan 13 11:45:15 hmm, looks like my Discussion karma has recovered a bit - I now have 38, but in comparison to my itt post karma (30) and indeed the itt thanks (133) do people think the weighting is a bit wrong? Jan 13 11:46:25 * Jaffa only has 19 for ITT posts :-( Jan 13 11:46:28 Nah, we're just punishing you. Jan 13 11:46:32 lol Jan 13 11:46:46 well I think mailing list posts should have higher weighting than itt posts Jan 13 11:46:55 They do. Jan 13 11:46:56 Agreed Jan 13 11:46:58 1 karma per Jan 13 11:47:23 hmm, well the karma is still broken I imagine Jan 13 11:47:33 I think I've sent one or two more than 38 emails Jan 13 11:47:37 back to the bug..... Jan 13 11:47:46 lardman: .3 was released yesterday. And we are planning to upgrade asap. Jan 13 11:48:01 Just need to plan a nice time for the outage ;) Jan 13 11:48:02 ah ok, no worries Jan 13 11:48:22 X-Fade: is there a debug mode where you can see how your karma's been calculated (i.e. n maemo-* emails = ...)? Jan 13 11:48:26 If it is still present after that upgrade, do complain :) Jan 13 11:48:29 Might make it easier to game the system Jan 13 11:48:33 +,tho Jan 13 11:48:43 "We now have the SGX video drivers in their entirety. We're just waiting for a few documents to come back signed and then we can release both the binary part and the open source driver shim to the public. Expect OpenGL ES demos soon." Jan 13 11:48:44 Jaffa: Mails is 1 mail = 1 karma. Jan 13 11:48:55 pupnik: ? Jan 13 11:49:02 pandy news Jan 13 11:49:06 Beagle/Pandora Jan 13 11:49:07 pupnik: koen has already shown some opengl es demos on the beagleboard Jan 13 11:49:10 Ah Jan 13 11:50:14 X-Fade: will do Jan 13 11:50:48 X-Fade, I'm still truncated at 996 words. :( Jan 13 11:51:14 GeneralAntilles: Updates only once per hour? Jan 13 11:51:26 X-Fade, number gathered from planet.maemo.org Jan 13 11:52:01 GeneralAntilles: Maybe it counts html as words too? :) Jan 13 11:52:51 hey StsN800 :) Jan 13 11:52:52 Let me read the code.. Jan 13 11:53:43 Ah, counting before html stripping ;) Jan 13 11:53:50 heya johnx Jan 13 11:53:52 That should be an easy fix ;) Jan 13 11:53:56 lol Jan 13 11:54:00 bbl exam Jan 13 11:56:18 Hmm no it was stripping... Jan 13 11:58:04 Ah, it deducts the words for the first paragraph from the total. Jan 13 11:58:21 So you probably have about 1100 words in that article. Jan 13 12:01:59 Ah, that was my original suspicion. Jan 13 12:02:11 But you threw me when I first brought it up. :P Jan 13 12:02:13 GeneralAntilles: notice the _more_ in that link ;) Jan 13 12:02:51 Yeah, Mr. 6 words above the cut off :P Jan 13 12:02:57 But I agree that it needs to do a better job ;) Jan 13 12:03:39 But 1000 is just an arbitrary limit _I_ set. It is open for discussion of course.. Jan 13 12:03:50 1000 seems perfectly fine to me. Jan 13 12:04:20 The only thing that bothers me is how much is trimmed when that limit is breached. :P Jan 13 12:04:35 Yes, that should be enhanced. Jan 13 12:19:51 * lcuk starts kung fu fighting Jan 13 12:20:14 o/` It was a little bit scaring o/` Jan 13 12:20:21 *frightning Jan 13 12:20:22 dammit Jan 13 12:20:32 * aquatix types too fast Jan 13 12:20:34 * lcuk karate chops you Jan 13 12:20:48 you strikes back Jan 13 12:21:08 you knocks lcuk flat out Jan 13 12:21:08 hiya marius Jan 13 12:21:43 * lcuk swings nun chucks around trying to look tough until they clout him in the nuts Jan 13 12:22:45 http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/13/0213238 Jan 13 12:22:47 *grin* Jan 13 12:22:51 microsoft tag Jan 13 12:23:01 oh Jan 13 12:23:10 2004 called, they want their barcode back Jan 13 12:23:19 seriously, that has been done years ago Jan 13 12:23:27 those 2D ones Jan 13 12:23:34 heh Jan 13 12:23:51 but MS have leverage Jan 13 12:23:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_Code Jan 13 12:24:02 i think nokia tried it back then Jan 13 12:24:10 ah no Jan 13 12:24:13 it's japanese Jan 13 12:24:15 1994 Jan 13 12:24:22 serious question: i have a library - if i wanted python bindings and stuff (as well as a completed api) where might i look and who would i be best to talk to Jan 13 12:24:56 aquatix, the barcode stuff might work in the winmobile phones Jan 13 12:24:58 a C library, right? Jan 13 12:25:09 yeah Jan 13 12:25:10 lcuk: yeah, but it's nothing new Jan 13 12:25:12 a quick and dirty option is ctypes Jan 13 12:25:16 they are doing it already Jan 13 12:25:39 marius, whats ctypes - does it just drag over the stuff? Jan 13 12:26:02 im looking for a bit of instant gratification, i wanna see if its possible to init and run libliqbase from python without any serious devkit Jan 13 12:26:04 ctypes is a way to convert Python data types to C types and invoke C functions Jan 13 12:26:08 with no safety belts Jan 13 12:26:23 i..e. you pass an int instead of a char*, you get memory corruption you asked for Jan 13 12:26:24 ahhh no, this is the other way round, i have the c lib already Jan 13 12:26:31 well, yes Jan 13 12:26:54 ctypes is a python module that lets people quickly whip up something that looks like a python binding for a c lib Jan 13 12:27:01 there are other bindings generators Jan 13 12:27:03 like swig Jan 13 12:27:15 I think pyrex/cython can also be used for that Jan 13 12:27:25 I'm not very familiar with generating bindings Jan 13 12:27:30 I'm more of a user of generated bindings ;) Jan 13 12:28:08 yeah mgedmin thats the thing, if i can create the bindings it gives you the option of using the lib which is at this point out of bounds Jan 13 12:28:32 binds Jan 13 12:28:35 bindings Jan 13 12:28:37 ffs Jan 13 12:28:52 I think you must be using the phrase 'python bindings' in a way other than what it normally means Jan 13 12:29:02 do you want python code to invoke your stuff Jan 13 12:29:09 or do you want your stuff to be scriptable with python code? Jan 13 12:29:23 i dont know how to describe it, the whole library thing is new to me as well :$ Jan 13 12:29:33 the first thing is bindings Jan 13 12:29:38 the second one is embedding a python interpreter Jan 13 12:29:52 i want to be able to (in python) open_liqbase_window() load_picture() draw_pterry_stuff() Jan 13 12:29:54 http://docs.python.org/c-api/index.html may help Jan 13 12:30:01 then you want bindings Jan 13 12:30:14 and you can build them with pyrex (or cython), or with swig, or with ctypes Jan 13 12:30:27 ctypes is the simplest & quickest way, but it's not the "right" or "safe" way Jan 13 12:30:46 ok, ill do some investigation later then :) thanks Jan 13 12:30:59 then there's the manual way of doing it in C, as described in http://docs.python.org/c-api/index.html Jan 13 12:31:20 or maybe http://docs.python.org/extending/index.html#extending-index Jan 13 12:31:44 Morning Jan 13 12:31:55 heh starting to look like embedding python interpreter inside - i know thats a different issue Jan 13 12:32:20 (though i once did that with vbscript in one of my apps :) ) Jan 13 12:39:16 lcuk: Looks familiar? http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/12/video-coder-whips-up-working-multitouch-demonstration-on-t-mobi/ Jan 13 12:43:08 phew, that exam over with Jan 13 12:43:29 waiting for grade Jan 13 12:44:20 johnx, xchat on mer on zaurus? Jan 13 12:54:33 Edinburgh librarians are apparently "seething" after the powers that be decided they should henceforth be known as audience development officers as part of a plan to drag libraries kicking and screaming into the 21st century Jan 13 12:54:39 Umgh Jan 13 12:57:29 hey stsn800 you there Jan 13 13:00:32 StsN800 which minimize/close buttons do you like better for this theme? http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/ss1.png is the old http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/ss2.png is the new ones Jan 13 13:02:39 X-Fade, looks interesting, its using the synaptic pad code which is 1d, just ran over both axis, its very cube oriented and does not allow rotation in the way my testing does Jan 13 13:02:55 Andrewfblack: the new ones look more consistent to the rest Jan 13 13:03:06 but i'm not too enthousiastic about the sharp arrow Jan 13 13:03:14 lcuk: yeah, it is exactly the same thing we can do.. Jan 13 13:03:37 aquatix thanks for the input Jan 13 13:04:03 yeah - nnot a true solution (which is why i never pushed it) is it the fact its android that ppl are making a fuss of his? Jan 13 13:04:37 lcuk: Multitouch is a nice marketing thing. Creates hype. Jan 13 13:05:29 Andrew: why not made the arrow of the same elements you made the close button of? Jan 13 13:05:45 yeah Jan 13 13:05:53 X-Fade, ZOMG TOO FINGRS! Jan 13 13:05:54 blunt points Jan 13 13:05:58 yep Jan 13 13:05:58 yeah of course, but its not though and because you have to be very mechanical and balanced in your use its not at all like the fruity things Jan 13 13:06:02 more like a v Jan 13 13:06:26 if it becomes awkward, you can make it a downward pointing triangle Jan 13 13:07:13 screw this :) Jan 13 13:07:24 aquatix you guys talking about the menu icon arrow? Jan 13 13:07:37 anyway, shall read more later :) Jan 13 13:07:41 Andrew: no, the minimize arrow Jan 13 13:07:43 * aquatix wasn't Jan 13 13:07:48 yeah, minimise Jan 13 13:07:53 hi, is there somewhere on maemo.org a list of devices which run the maemo platform? Jan 13 13:07:57 the menu icon arrow is... weird Jan 13 13:08:05 it looks out of place Jan 13 13:08:09 RST38h, you are here, any chance you have an optimized 8bit bitmap rotation algo anywhere? Jan 13 13:08:11 minimise arrow is same arrow as the scroll bar arrows just bigger Jan 13 13:08:32 Andrewfblack: i don't quite like those either :) Jan 13 13:08:37 mxttie|work, 770, N800, N810, N810 WiMAX Edition Jan 13 13:08:42 http://i042.radikal.ru/0901/26/eea82b512f1d.jpg < some crazy insomnia stuff Jan 13 13:08:46 but smallish like them and with a circle they are ok Jan 13 13:09:12 wazd_hp: insomnia? Jan 13 13:09:24 nice font btw Jan 13 13:09:31 which is it? Jan 13 13:09:33 lol I guess you wouldn't like the menu arrows either then whats wrong with them? Jan 13 13:09:39 aquatix: well, that was made at 5am so)) Jan 13 13:09:51 aquatix: homebrew Jan 13 13:10:26 GeneralAntilles: thanks. a lot less than I thought :) I then assume there isn't any list anywhere because it is just so short :) Jan 13 13:10:56 mxttie|work, it may expand at some point through unofficial support (some are working on Pandora support), but Nokia doesn't license it. Jan 13 13:10:59 Andrewfblack: not sure, i think they're a bit sharp Jan 13 13:11:19 oh, menu arrows Jan 13 13:11:20 erm Jan 13 13:11:31 aquatix so you think some rounder arrows would match the theme better Jan 13 13:11:34 well, the menu arrow in the title bar looks out of place Jan 13 13:11:56 GeneralAntilles: oh, ok. didn't realise it is nokia only Jan 13 13:12:01 Andrewfblack: i like the arrow in the gray circle in the middle, for example Jan 13 13:12:08 but that's almost a v Jan 13 13:12:20 it can be filled a bit more, like the current ones Jan 13 13:12:35 mxttie|work, personally, I don't agree with the decision and would like to see it positioned as the "de-facto" mobile Linux, but what can you do? ;) Jan 13 13:14:04 aquatix you saying you like the arrow in the applet section better Jan 13 13:14:27 what arrow are you discussing guys? Jan 13 13:14:47 http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/ss2.png Jan 13 13:15:00 RST38h, ill talk to you later Jan 13 13:15:19 wazd_hp working on my Mer theme Jan 13 13:15:36 Andrewfblack: yes Jan 13 13:15:42 the one from skype or something? Jan 13 13:16:13 aquatix its the standard Nokia arrow thats why you like it so much lol Jan 13 13:16:17 i'm not a fan of too sharp arrows, or at least not how the minimise button is drawn now Jan 13 13:16:26 cross copied from x-chat s bad Jan 13 13:16:35 Andrewfblack: nah, it's the other way around: they chose one that i like :) Jan 13 13:16:36 it's cropped at the bottom Jan 13 13:17:10 Andrewfblack: but maybe blunting the top 2 pieces of the sharp arrow will suffice Jan 13 13:17:22 you know what i mean? Jan 13 13:17:38 wazd_hp cross is coppiedfrom xchat just simular also fixed cut off bottom allrady Jan 13 13:18:01 andrewfblack: good :) Jan 13 13:18:48 I think you should move left border of statusbar to the right Jan 13 13:19:04 so it would be same border as on the right Jan 13 13:19:11 now it';s way wider Jan 13 13:19:54 wazd_hp ok Jan 13 13:20:19 And you should do minimize and close icons smaller, then it's block will have same padding as statusbar Jan 13 13:20:58 Andrewfblack: are we allowed to use Tango? Jan 13 13:21:10 or would you rather do something new Jan 13 13:21:13 wazd_hp these are old minimize/close buttons liek them better? http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/ss1.png Jan 13 13:21:41 aquaatix Tango? Jan 13 13:22:24 Andrewfblack: well, it's standart photoshop arrows)) Jan 13 13:22:55 Andrewfblack: the Tango icon project Jan 13 13:22:58 I rather like it Jan 13 13:23:10 almost every linux distro uses it nowadays Jan 13 13:23:19 wazd_hp yep I suck at drawning arrows always lop sided on one side Jan 13 13:23:21 ubuntu's Human is a variation on it I think Jan 13 13:23:38 Andrewfblack: yeah, the sharp arrow is slightly lopsided too right? Jan 13 13:23:44 Andrewfblack: I think minimize arrow should be the same size as the cross Jan 13 13:23:45 * aquatix was modifying it Jan 13 13:23:52 wazd_hp: that too Jan 13 13:24:55 * aquatix fires up inkscape Jan 13 13:25:09 Widest part of arrow is same as widest part of cross I beleave Jan 13 13:25:33 hehe, it's nice to see so much theme cooperation :) Jan 13 13:25:55 hey Stskeeps Jan 13 13:26:27 Stskeeps: I've made some "loading..." stuff for Mer, not sure you'll like it :) Jan 13 13:26:28 the arrow is seriously ugly, really Jan 13 13:26:34 GeneralAntilles: hehe :) yeah, it looks very neat and certainly looks like an appealing candidate for general mobile linux. maybe one day in the future ;) (forgot to press enter =)) Jan 13 13:26:52 Anyone want to make new arrows for the theme? Jan 13 13:27:02 wazd_hp: hehe, we'll see :) Jan 13 13:27:13 wazd_hp: we can use ".ani" files too it seems like though Jan 13 13:27:14 http://i042.radikal.ru/0901/26/eea82b512f1d.jpg Jan 13 13:27:14 mxttie|work, well, Ubuntu Mobile is using Hildon Jan 13 13:27:19 and the UI is really the most interesting part Jan 13 13:27:46 wazd: that font...it is not from FreeRunner phone by any chance? Jan 13 13:28:12 RST38h: well, it was hand maded this night :) Jan 13 13:28:28 RST38h: Haven't seen FreeRunner font actually :) Jan 13 13:28:35 * aquatix sucks at arrows too Jan 13 13:28:44 but why not look at Tango stuff, for example? Jan 13 13:28:54 GeneralAntilles: thanks for the tip. looks like I need to read up a bit Jan 13 13:28:55 there are a *lot* of icons already done Jan 13 13:29:27 wazd_hp: i like the font Jan 13 13:29:31 can i have it? :) Jan 13 13:30:02 RST38h: Btw, your gameboy icon proves my point bout .svg icons for now :) Jan 13 13:30:14 RST38h: they suck at detalization Jan 13 13:30:31 detalization? Jan 13 13:30:33 RST38h: pretty solid icon though, I had nothing to change) Jan 13 13:31:16 oh Jan 13 13:31:16 aquatix: level of details I mean :) Jan 13 13:31:20 yeah Jan 13 13:31:25 well Jan 13 13:31:35 you can put a lot of details in svg's :) Jan 13 13:31:48 but that'll make rendering slow i think Jan 13 13:31:52 aquatix: and nothing would render it :) Jan 13 13:32:09 the reason why most icons are png's are because they are rendered specifically for that size Jan 13 13:32:18 source is generally svg even Jan 13 13:32:30 if i read Tango's stories right :) Jan 13 13:33:14 you might want to contact Hylke Bons for example (http://www.bomahy.nl/hylke/blog/) Jan 13 13:33:19 did the pidgin icons too Jan 13 13:33:22 you can even do photorealistic graphics with straight hands like that http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2006-08/photorealistic-vector-art.jpg Jan 13 13:33:23 mxttie|work: http://daimi.au.dk/~cvm/DSC00007.JPG <- Mer (+ hildon) on a x86 on a TV screen ;) Jan 13 13:33:48 Stskeeps: :) Jan 13 13:33:52 lol Jan 13 13:33:55 wazd_hp: nice Jan 13 13:34:28 but just showing that image in realtime would kill the CPU softly :) Jan 13 13:36:04 depends on the cpu ;) Jan 13 13:36:38 but using svg on maemo might not work that nicely Jan 13 13:36:55 but for source files, it's fine Jan 13 13:38:15 http://www.bomahy.nl/hylke/blog - that designer definitely has 2 suns on his earth Jan 13 13:39:55 why? Jan 13 13:40:14 i only see a shadow coming from that setting sun Jan 13 13:40:37 but the house itself is lighten from the other side Jan 13 13:40:39 but the house is lighted weirdly from `our' side indeed Jan 13 13:40:54 sun is on the back, light is on the front Jan 13 13:41:01 yeah Jan 13 13:41:07 file a ticket ;) Jan 13 13:41:37 maybe there is a street light you can't see in image Jan 13 13:41:57 * aquatix sniggers from behind his large flashlight Jan 13 13:42:18 Andrewfblack: or it's some crazy xenon flash :) Jan 13 13:42:24 heh :) Jan 13 13:44:27 details are everything in our world :) Jan 13 13:47:00 * aquatix loves details Jan 13 13:53:54 wazd: Ugly? Large? Slow to render? Jan 13 13:55:12 * Jaffa pfffts at texrat getting the hump at him. Jan 13 13:55:48 whoa, my blog's QR code :) http://mojiq.kazina.com/temp/1231854901_22289.png Jan 13 13:56:26 Jaffa: did you see my patch to mud-builder's vim.xml? Jan 13 13:56:30 Jaffa, it's a day of strong emotions on itT. Jan 13 13:56:41 RST38h: no, it's totaly fine but it too low-detailed to my mind Jan 13 13:57:01 mgedmin: I did, indeed. Thanks. Haven't had a chance to apply it yet Jan 13 13:57:15 RST38h: maybe I can make one icon for S60 and other for rendering? Jan 13 13:57:32 Oh. Joy. Sv's stopped working (Intrepid issue?) Jan 13 13:58:18 GeneralAntilles: I've got a lovely PM telling me off for making things personal. Jan 13 13:58:57 Jaffa, :roll: Jan 13 13:59:12 lo etrunko Jan 13 13:59:36 Jaffa, drama city. I wonder if he's running on sleep deprivation. . . . Jan 13 13:59:52 GeneralAntilles: it's a fine excuse, I tell you :) Jan 13 14:00:26 Jaffa, we should add a "[ ] Sleep deprived" checkbox to every post Jan 13 14:00:26 I havn't goten to tell anyone off yet today Jan 13 14:00:48 AFB|Away: shout at me, I can take it Jan 13 14:01:06 GeneralAntilles: Just a 20 second delay and then 'Are you still sure?' Jan 13 14:01:13 Jaffa: too sleep deprived to care? ;) Jan 13 14:01:28 Jaffa To tired or I would Jan 13 14:01:45 Stskeeps: most likely Jan 13 14:01:57 Oh, the sound of illusions breaking. Got a mail from a customer, Cc'ed to our new boss, who promptly asks "And this goes directly in mail, without being reported according to the correct process?" Jan 13 14:01:58 wazd: That is possible but Maemo alone requires three differently sized icons Jan 13 14:02:36 wazd: and Windows is kinda color-limited when it comes to icons Jan 13 14:03:52 RST38h: what I want is to do 2 different .svg's Jan 13 14:04:03 RST38h: less detailed and more detailed Jan 13 14:04:07 wazd: Fully detailed and simple? Jan 13 14:04:11 Yea, this will work Jan 13 14:04:16 RST38h: good) Jan 13 14:04:54 Veggen: Wait until he starts implementing his policies... Jan 13 14:05:50 Nah, she is the fourth boss I've had in this department. Noone has so far managed to change me ;P Jan 13 14:06:32 (or anyone, for that matter :) Jan 13 14:08:54 hey Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, X-Fade Jan 13 14:09:06 Welcome back, etrunko. :P Jan 13 14:09:18 already time Jan 13 14:13:09 * wazd wishes to be xhtml guru that codes mulibilliondollar startups in the notepad :( Jan 13 14:15:06 Veggen: lemme guess, they all got fired after trying to implement proper email accounting policies and shutting down ALL communicaiton with customers? Jan 13 14:16:42 RST38h: nah. The two first one got tired of being boss and ended up project leaders, the third one moved upwards. Jan 13 14:17:31 RST38h: All of them have done a decent job, and *at least* not stopped us from doing our work :) Jan 13 14:18:50 Veggen: the last one is 90% of theyir job really Jan 13 14:19:16 Agreed. Jan 13 14:20:03 but the former one was unable to do any sort of prioritizing. If we said we had two tasks that was gonna take the whole week, he'd say "ok. Then you need to finish first one in a half week, second one in the last half". Jan 13 14:20:15 hehe Jan 13 14:20:58 and two peopel should be able to finish it in half the time? :) Jan 13 14:21:32 A boss once, in an info-meeting, said, on talking about work moral etc., that he hoped we did do the boring tasks also. Jan 13 14:21:53 So I promptly raised my hand, and said "No, I don't". Jan 13 14:21:57 Him: "?!?" Jan 13 14:22:40 "No. Noone can tell me what is important, and I have *more* than enough to do. And if it's up to *me* to prioritize, I can and *will* choose the fun stuff" Jan 13 14:23:52 luckily, we don't have to have that much respect for authorities in this country. Jan 13 14:24:09 I once told my boss to hang up the phone and *don't* call again, ever! Jan 13 14:24:45 oh thank god nokia Jan 13 14:24:47 some sanity Jan 13 14:24:49 https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/osso-af-startup/services/af-defines.sh?sortby=date&root=maemo&r1=17101&r2=17100&pathrev=17101 Jan 13 14:25:00 store MyDocs on MMC Jan 13 14:25:14 the internal one Jan 13 14:25:14 hmm Jan 13 14:25:28 my previous n810 periodically corrupted the internal mmc Jan 13 14:25:40 I'm overjoyed knowing nokia thinks it's safe for my documents Jan 13 14:25:56 Veggen <--- basically aspiring to be fired with prejudice =) Jan 13 14:26:14 mgedmin: there's hints that it is a huge internal mmc, so Jan 13 14:26:42 RST38h: nah, he deserved it. He'd been calling me and bothering me with questions about whether or not I was gonna finish (as I had *said* I would), every half hour all day. Jan 13 14:27:14 Veggen: "I promise you to finish before you quit!: Jan 13 14:27:26 Did you finish before he quit btw? Jan 13 14:27:57 RST38h: oh, I was finished by the day after, because he *did* actually not call me again that day, so that I was finally able to concentrate on the job :) Jan 13 14:28:00 Stskeeps: I've already set MYDOCSDIR to /media/mmc2/MyDocs. No backup worries on reflash Jan 13 14:28:33 Jaffa: Is this sufficient for all the apps or should I symlink it instead ? Jan 13 14:29:43 It's sufficient for everything which uses Hildon's file chooser. Jan 13 14:30:18 There seems to be an odd side-effect that it no longer goes to the correct subcategory (e.g. Images when selecting File > Open in the Images app), but other than that, no problems. Jan 13 14:30:50 ah...but stuff like Maemo Mapper won't heed it... Jan 13 14:31:18 If something has a hard-coded path to /home/user/MyDocs, it's a bug. If an existing config file references it, it'd need updating Jan 13 14:32:08 itt Jan 13 14:32:16 (stupid focus bugs) Jan 13 14:32:47 I wonder if the person s/Scratchbox/Sandbox/g is the same on both itT and the lists. <_< Jan 13 14:32:56 probably Jan 13 14:34:13 troll? Jan 13 14:34:26 wazd: ever saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h24f2YjzWBE btw? Jan 13 14:35:31 RST38h, no, I don't believe so. Probably just willfully ignorant. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=257211 Jan 13 14:39:26 "willfully ignorant" is a good term Jan 13 14:43:08 Stskeeps: nope Jan 13 14:43:50 wazd: think it's a place that needs to be styled? i did it rather engineer like :) it's the place you go when you've messed up your tablet and want to go into safe mode, connect through USB; whatever ;) Jan 13 14:44:37 Stskeeps: well, maybe :) Jan 13 14:44:54 Stskeeps: can it show a row menu to select items? Jan 13 14:45:06 wazd: well it's a rather simple script :) Jan 13 14:45:13 "row menu"? Jan 13 14:45:35 Stskeeps: simple row of icons Jan 13 14:45:45 ah Jan 13 14:45:52 Stskeeps: like canola or whatever) Jan 13 14:46:08 Stskeeps: with same d-pad selection Jan 13 14:46:18 well the issue is that the thing i use for it is the same as splash screen, so it shows one image at a time :> Jan 13 14:46:39 Stskeeps: Ah, that's even easier Jan 13 14:47:11 Stskeeps: I have to just draw row and respective selections on it) Jan 13 14:47:17 ah Jan 13 14:47:44 * Stskeeps wonders why the bloody hell hildon input method stopped working Jan 13 14:48:45 Stskeeps: what options does this menu have? Jan 13 14:49:58 wazd: right now, "Start Mer normally", "Activate console on framebuffer" "Act as a ethernet USB gadget with telnetd open" "Act as a serial USB gadget with shell" "Reboot" Jan 13 14:50:38 i just wonder if it even needs styling, since its pretty clear when you use it :P Jan 13 14:50:44 except it looks a bit 80s like :> Jan 13 14:52:46 Stskeeps: definitely yes :)) Jan 13 14:53:04 Stskeeps: It really looks like "Hello 80s" :D Jan 13 14:53:09 i liked the 80s.. Jan 13 14:53:10 :P Jan 13 14:56:18 can image be 800x480 for that menu?) Jan 13 14:56:44 well, if you lay in the text too, yes, but there's a bit of stuff in the bottom as you might see Jan 13 14:56:53 we abuse the splash screen program for this so Jan 13 14:58:15 so it's for Mer now, not deblet?) Jan 13 14:58:26 yeah, i took it from deblet, Mer's deblet successor :) Jan 13 14:59:01 we were able to reuse a lot of things so Jan 13 14:59:19 also it can be both png and jpg Jan 13 14:59:49 okay, i gotta catch my bus Jan 13 14:59:52 be back in 30 mins Jan 13 15:16:32 cold cold cold :( Jan 13 15:16:39 hey Stskeeps Jan 13 15:24:16 has anyone done any status bar app work in python? Jan 13 15:26:03 stephen_, there's pybattery (I tihnk it's called) Jan 13 15:26:07 let me find you a link Jan 13 15:26:28 thank you Jan 13 15:26:42 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24905&highlight=pybattery Jan 13 15:27:11 thanks :) Jan 13 15:27:15 sure :) Jan 13 15:27:25 what kind of applet are you planning to make? Jan 13 15:27:55 something that allows me to give status updates Jan 13 15:28:47 like libnotify Jan 13 15:29:12 oh, isn't there a libnotify client already? Jan 13 15:29:17 used for "Battery full" and such Jan 13 15:29:28 i'll need to take a look :) Jan 13 15:30:02 AStorm, it receives those events over dbus Jan 13 15:30:14 oh really? Jan 13 15:30:32 so if I publish a message to the notifier, over the dBus, it will display it on screen? Jan 13 15:30:56 I think the battery applet is only configured to listen out for battery events Jan 13 15:31:20 But, yes, you can use dbus signals to trick the applet Jan 13 15:32:32 qwerty12, but there's other ways to print little notifcation bubbles than just tricking battery applet, right? Jan 13 15:33:03 johnx, yes, http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonBanner.html Jan 13 15:33:18 stephen_, ^^probably what you want :) Jan 13 15:33:39 is there a python wrapper? Jan 13 15:34:22 Yes, I think it has the same name but with "hildon." in front. advanced-power uses it a lot to my knowledge so search for banner in the adv-power python file and you'll see it there Jan 13 15:34:48 great thanks :D Jan 13 15:34:57 np Jan 13 15:37:47 johnx: i'm still baffled why h-i-m stops working Jan 13 15:37:48 stephen_, this may help: http://lovebug356.blogspot.com/2007/08/hildon-banner-in-pymaemo.html Jan 13 15:37:50 hooking it up with usb now Jan 13 15:38:16 thanks :) Jan 13 15:38:19 Stskeeps, will poke at it in a sec. I worked on a 640x480 layout BTW. might be easier than I thought Jan 13 15:39:08 hehe, so you were on a zaurus with mer earlier or? Jan 13 15:39:21 yeah, on the train :) Jan 13 15:39:38 ah, but the keymap is all wonky in xorg on a zaurus, so I was on irssi Jan 13 15:40:11 err...IRC at my desk, layout on the train Jan 13 15:40:11 hehe Jan 13 15:40:28 I guess I should sort out tethering over USB or IRDA to my phone Jan 13 15:41:12 if those clamshell zauri had had bluetooth, i would have had a zaurus Jan 13 15:42:06 mm. there's nothing like a good drink after an exam Jan 13 15:42:27 aquatix: and wifi too, there were no cf wifi cards that fitted flush Jan 13 15:42:34 aquatix, actually, I'll probably be switching out my cf wifi card for a cf bluetooth card after I get a phone capable of tethering over BT Jan 13 15:42:36 Stskeeps: something alcoholic Jan 13 15:42:38 lardman: yeah Jan 13 15:43:16 * aquatix once specced out an order for a zaurus with wifi card, extra battery and such and came at a price of about 1kEUR Jan 13 15:43:22 which was a tad... much ;) Jan 13 15:43:31 definitely :) Jan 13 15:43:34 aquatix: of course Jan 13 15:43:57 I dropped <$400USD on my C1000 and probably $150+ on various CF wifi cards as they failed over the years :/ Jan 13 15:44:12 but that was the 6GB one i think Jan 13 15:44:17 heh Jan 13 15:44:34 myeah, i would've had to use the UK importer or something Jan 13 15:44:37 yeah, I'm starting to wish I had one with a microdrive Jan 13 15:44:40 or that japanese one Jan 13 15:44:56 I ordered when the prices were at an all time low I think Jan 13 15:45:03 nice Jan 13 15:46:33 johnx: btw, is non-dependence on first-boot-wizard intentional? Jan 13 15:46:45 in auto-startx? Jan 13 15:46:50 yes Jan 13 15:46:52 k Jan 13 15:47:08 I can see using auto-startx with a different desktop. Jan 13 15:47:43 in that case people might want to remove hildon-desktop, and gtk. but first-boot-wizard->zenity->gtk Jan 13 15:47:59 yep Jan 13 15:48:23 didn't I have it as a recommend? Jan 13 15:48:58 Stskeeps: is something like this appropriate?) http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/f7/a993f813f2c8.jpg Jan 13 15:49:24 aquatix, aaaah. time softens all memories! I just looked up my order info in my mail archvie. $575 for a C1000 O_o Jan 13 15:49:30 WTF was I thinking? Jan 13 15:49:33 wazd: Did I miss your answer about your feed or did you miss my question? :) Jan 13 15:49:39 o/` Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger, Badger! o/` Jan 13 15:49:41 johnx: :) Jan 13 15:49:47 same here Jan 13 15:49:50 almost bought it Jan 13 15:49:50 Jaffa, I think someone needs to tell the author of Boxar about Build-Depends :). He's already tried to get it into Extras Jan 13 15:49:54 then sanity kicked in Jan 13 15:50:01 X-Fade: I guss I've missed the question, sorry) Jan 13 15:50:29 wazd: hehe, looks cool :> and replacing the mer logos with other icons? Jan 13 15:50:31 * mgedmin hands aquatix two mushrooms Jan 13 15:50:32 wazd: Is the content length limit of your feed intentional or is it just the default setting? :) Jan 13 15:50:46 Stskeeps: yep Jan 13 15:51:15 johnx: we so need something to set the background in first-boot-wizard though Jan 13 15:51:27 even if a dialog box on top of a console is kinda cool Jan 13 15:51:46 X-Fade: well, I'm adding "more" tag to enlight main page, haven't used any other limitations) Jan 13 15:52:10 Stskeeps, you could tell the x server to give you a black background on startup, but there are also plenty of lightweight root-setting programs. let me get some dinner and I'll start looking at stuff again :) Jan 13 15:52:18 johnx: alright Jan 13 15:52:45 wazd: Then you might want to look in the configuration of your blog software. As you only seem to publish an excerpt. Jan 13 15:52:53 is first-boot-wizard working OK BTW? I know it's not exactly elegant or bulletproof, but does it at least run for you from current packages? Jan 13 15:53:13 johnx: well i can't really type anything yet Jan 13 15:53:13 wazd: Unless you want people to click through to your site.. Jan 13 15:53:23 johnx: and you need to change theme to 'default' :P Jan 13 15:53:34 will do Jan 13 15:53:39 X-Fade: I'm using simple wordpress.com account Jan 13 15:53:48 johnx: besides that, the repeat-on-error is working ;) Jan 13 15:54:00 wazd: I'm sure that is in your account settings.. Jan 13 15:54:12 X-Fade: I have to add "more" tag or there will be too much heavy images on the ain page Jan 13 15:54:43 not sure what happens if you put "bobby ; rm -rf /" as a username though Jan 13 15:54:55 wazd: Well the [...] isn't added by us. It is wordpress which does that. Jan 13 15:55:01 johnx: "; DROP TABLE? Jan 13 15:55:07 exactly :) Jan 13 15:55:27 johnx: gainroot for hackers Jan 13 15:55:27 :P Jan 13 15:55:33 it was like that on fonera routers.. Jan 13 15:55:34 drop table to get ikea-table Jan 13 15:55:38 X-Fade: I'll check the settings, thanks) Jan 13 15:56:03 wazd: Wordpress has partial or full feed support. Jan 13 15:58:15 johnx: i suspect HIM is crashing Jan 13 15:58:17 checking why Jan 13 15:58:34 http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8999.png Jan 13 15:58:35 johnx: any way to make the title not be "Add a new entry"? Jan 13 15:59:02 r2d2rogers: hehe, sapwoodless Jan 13 15:59:09 yessir Jan 13 15:59:20 but it works otherwise Jan 13 15:59:21 For each article in a feed, show Full Text Jan 13 15:59:25 I have that one Jan 13 15:59:30 even h-i-m Jan 13 16:00:25 Actually my blog engine lives it's own private life and I can't affect him :) Jan 13 16:00:36 wazd: Lol ;) Jan 13 16:00:36 is there a wayt o get the categgory names to show right? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9073.png Jan 13 16:00:50 It deletes controls when it wants so what can I do)\ Jan 13 16:02:38 Stskeeps, yes :) Jan 13 16:03:36 right, definately HIM crashes Jan 13 16:03:39 it cores Jan 13 16:07:32 Sargun: Have you had your vi today? Jan 13 16:08:48 johnx: did we have some strange Xomap related hildon-input-method things? Jan 13 16:09:17 I still have Xorg Jan 13 16:09:23 * johnx boots mer, tests h-i-m Jan 13 16:10:13 is there a wlan analyzer for n810 ? Jan 13 16:10:42 just saw the bootsplash for the first time on my n800 Jan 13 16:10:45 hehe Jan 13 16:10:47 looks gorgeous! Jan 13 16:11:05 then you probably want to hold down the rescue menu button and select console Jan 13 16:11:07 since you run Xorg Jan 13 16:11:28 just noticed that Jan 13 16:11:51 what's the best way to get wesnoth installed on diablo? Jan 13 16:12:18 it looks like there used to be a package for wesnoth 1.2, but it's not in the repo anymore Jan 13 16:13:49 i have a problem Jan 13 16:13:55 maemo-mapper does not start Jan 13 16:14:08 in terminal says Segmentation failure Jan 13 16:14:08 :S Jan 13 16:15:46 johnx: if i didn't know better.. it dies in pulseaudio Jan 13 16:16:11 pulsecore/mutex-posix.c Jan 13 16:16:32 h-i-m ... dies in pulseaudio? Jan 13 16:17:20 makes sense doesn't it? audio when getting up keyboard Jan 13 16:18:43 really? there's a sound? Jan 13 16:18:45 I must have it off Jan 13 16:19:00 not active Jan 13 16:19:00 is there a wayt o get the categgory names to show right? http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9802.png Jan 13 16:19:15 I haven't had much sound since OS2008HE Jan 13 16:21:06 Don't think locales work atm Jan 13 16:22:36 Stskeeps, h-i-m works here. need to see if I have the latest version of everything though Jan 13 16:24:07 any1 can help me :S Jan 13 16:24:23 ping Jan 13 16:24:26 upgrade of libpulse.. Jan 13 16:24:28 interesting Jan 13 16:24:45 stemosco, poooong Jan 13 16:26:22 TheFatal: which OS, which version of maemo-mapper? Jan 13 16:26:32 which device? Jan 13 16:27:05 maemo-mapper last, N810 OS2008 Jan 13 16:27:12 2.5.3 of maemo mapper Jan 13 16:27:37 TheFatal, you have the latest version of OS2008, right? Jan 13 16:27:43 * Stskeeps wonders why pulseaudio needs avahi Jan 13 16:27:47 yes Jan 13 16:28:08 Stskeeps, think it advertises itself to the network as a sound client... Jan 13 16:28:18 can be the conf of the maemo-mapper is lost or change folder ? Jan 13 16:28:32 when i try to start the terminal say me Segmentatino fault Jan 13 16:29:01 qwerty12: could be handy for fancy demos :P Jan 13 16:29:28 Hehe, I'm just wondering about the pranking possibilities :P :) Jan 13 16:30:28 qwerty12, drop a n800 with wifi in a corner of the room under some clothes and have it scream for help and respond to questions? Jan 13 16:31:02 johnx: :) Jan 13 16:31:11 I can't let go of my N800 :P Jan 13 16:31:41 what you want to do is put a speaker inside someone's bed, and play them whale music every night :) Jan 13 16:32:22 i wouldnt waste it with whale music Jan 13 16:32:35 Hehe, IRC'ing every night from N800 is showing its toll on me when I dream about XChat 0_o :P Jan 13 16:32:36 "you will go to the bank in the morning and transfer all your money to..." Jan 13 16:32:43 gentle whale music for 4 hours and then the sound of a jackhammer Jan 13 16:32:52 lcuk, says the person who told the bank about a problem that they had :P Jan 13 16:33:43 that wasnt my problem, i never did follow up on that Jan 13 16:33:54 now ive laid low for a while i should go and draw on all those funds Jan 13 16:34:33 can someone find a nice simple best practice way for me to continue developing this library but more in the open Jan 13 16:34:52 put your VCS somewhere out there Jan 13 16:35:00 google code, launchpad, github, somewhere Jan 13 16:35:08 add a mailing list Jan 13 16:35:09 i need big banners and guard dogs to keep ppl from stomping on the code im thinking about whilst dreaming Jan 13 16:35:13 find some people interested in it Jan 13 16:35:19 the last bit is the most important one Jan 13 16:35:22 theres plenty i think :) Jan 13 16:35:32 who wants libliqbase? Jan 13 16:36:09 * lcuk cries as the crickets chirping Jan 13 16:36:16 :) makes my life simpler Jan 13 16:36:21 nobody ever puts anonymously world-writable repositories, so stomping is usually not an issue Jan 13 16:36:29 unless you consider patches sent via email to be stomping Jan 13 16:36:56 but usually it's more of a problem to get someone to get interested enough to send a patch Jan 13 16:37:58 yeah mg i know Jan 13 16:38:22 its not a problem of patches though, its being afraid of getting stuck in one direction based on feedback Jan 13 16:38:55 lcuk, look. publishing code on a VCS != doing everything people tell you to Jan 13 16:38:56 you could always put your hands over your ears and go o/` la la la o/` Jan 13 16:39:03 mgedmin++ Jan 13 16:39:26 until you've finished coding what you wanted Jan 13 16:39:35 ok, ill use my current liqbase svn and create all this in a branch Jan 13 16:40:11 * mgedmin tends to ignore wishlist requests for the software he maintains, and lets them fester in the bug tracker, occasionally feeling guilty about that Jan 13 16:40:14 lcuk, here's some boilerplate: "That's an interesting idea, but I'm taking this in a different direction. If you can send me a patch that keeps the default behavior intact and adds your new idea as a runtime option, I'd be very interested." Jan 13 16:40:34 im just frustrated i didnt get my core widget in place before now, i wanted a new year video :'( Jan 13 16:41:02 easy Jan 13 16:41:06 just build a time machine Jan 13 16:41:14 or wait 11 months ;) Jan 13 16:41:20 hehehehehe Jan 13 16:41:23 would it be possible to have both Deblet and Ubuntu Jaunty on the same sd card if it was 8gigs? Jan 13 16:41:24 can i have a pony as well? Jan 13 16:41:31 * mgedmin once specified his timezone in roundup as +0300 Jan 13 16:41:37 lol Jan 13 16:41:46 * mgedmin later noticed that roundup interpreted that as "2 weeks after UTC" Jan 13 16:41:48 anyway back soon, ill get it together tonight i hope Jan 13 16:41:54 b1ackdeath, sure, just have to partition it Jan 13 16:42:20 what kind of software thinks "three hundred hours" is a reasonable timezone offset? Jan 13 16:42:28 mgedmin, that's awesome Jan 13 16:42:44 mgedmin, someone in Japan who has built a time machine :) Jan 13 16:43:01 *cough* Jan 13 16:43:21 :O. This is not the Johnx from 2009? Jan 13 16:43:24 qwerty12, icks-nay on the ime-tay achine-may Jan 13 16:43:30 yeah i figured im justing asking , to see if any one had done it yet Jan 13 16:43:38 hehe Jan 13 16:43:53 qwerty12, er, uhm, wait...of course this is the johnx from 2009!! who else would it be? Jan 13 16:44:38 johnx, I don't want to say anything incase I blow the secret :P Jan 13 16:44:57 But then again, I don't think I was thinking that before... Jan 13 16:45:16 qwerty12, ever watched "Primer"? Jan 13 16:45:23 good movie :) Jan 13 16:45:51 johnx, nope. I think you are from the future because I was just about to ask "is it good?" :P Jan 13 16:46:22 UTC+9 :) Jan 13 16:46:34 hehe :) Jan 13 16:46:38 s/9/0900/ Jan 13 16:46:38 johnx meant: UTC+0900 :) Jan 13 16:53:01 has any one tryed x11 forwarding to the n810 with out peguien baits air-x? Jan 13 16:57:29 johnx: still at a loss why this error happens Jan 13 16:57:33 it's definately PA related Jan 13 16:57:36 still plenty of people offering to sell me an n810 wimax. guess they didn't get the memo Jan 13 16:58:26 running apt-get upgrade now. I'll see if the latest versions play nice with xorg Jan 13 16:59:47 in good news, gconf is playing nice again Jan 13 17:00:11 after you beat it until it stores values in $HOME ? Jan 13 17:00:22 yeah Jan 13 17:00:22 I really hope Nokia eventually picks up some of these changes Jan 13 17:00:40 we'll write a book Jan 13 17:00:40 :P Jan 13 17:02:07 how about a tv movie? Jan 13 17:02:12 hehe Jan 13 17:02:17 there can be car chases and explosions and a murder to solve! Jan 13 17:05:42 anyone know why my n810 wouldn't have the newest Version of OS but no update is showing? Jan 13 17:06:41 Andrewfblack, is it diablo or something older? Jan 13 17:06:49 johnx: wtf Jan 13 17:06:51 it works with xorg Jan 13 17:07:13 Stskeeps, ah, another special bug. we have all the luck Jan 13 17:07:32 johnx Diablo Jan 13 17:07:48 Andrewfblack, did you remove osso-software-version-rx44? Jan 13 17:08:14 johnx: then again Xomap is a bit of a scary thing Jan 13 17:08:17 don't think so Jan 13 17:09:13 Andrewfblack, can you check if it's installed from x terminal? apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx44 Jan 13 17:09:32 WOOOHOOO!!! Jan 13 17:09:41 I've found my 8Gb SDHC!!!1 Jan 13 17:09:43 woo Jan 13 17:09:57 johnx: seems to work flawlessly under xorg Jan 13 17:10:20 woo! now that is what I like to hear Jan 13 17:10:22 says its not installed Jan 13 17:10:37 Andrewfblack, is it available? Jan 13 17:10:38 or Installed: (none) Jan 13 17:11:05 I don't see where it says anything avout available Jan 13 17:11:41 Does it say "candidate" somewhere? Jan 13 17:11:48 yeah Jan 13 17:11:55 that's the available version Jan 13 17:12:01 do you have root access? Jan 13 17:12:07 wonder why its not showing in my app manager Jan 13 17:12:13 it's not a user package Jan 13 17:12:25 it's a system thing, but it can be installed if something conflicts with it Jan 13 17:12:35 maybe rotation support or something else like that Jan 13 17:12:46 s/installed/uninstalled Jan 13 17:13:21 I don't have rotation on here anymore but that might be it I used to Jan 13 17:13:52 well, just get root access and type: apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44 and see what it wants to do Jan 13 17:14:24 johnx: i guess this means back on the xorg bandwagon again Jan 13 17:14:40 Stskeeps, I really wonder what the problem is... Jan 13 17:14:59 johnx: weird X replies or something prolly Jan 13 17:15:00 that's good, the xorg bandwagon is where all the tasty grub is Jan 13 17:15:58 johnx says I have unmet depenencies Jan 13 17:16:53 Andrewfblack, maybe just dependency issues :P Jan 13 17:18:54 Stskeeps: http://s45.radikal.ru/i107/0901/4e/bf8bdbb120d0.jpg Jan 13 17:19:22 wazd, nice logos :) Jan 13 17:19:34 wazd: <3 Jan 13 17:20:07 wazd: now we just need those 5 pngs i guess :> Jan 13 17:20:32 yep Jan 13 17:20:33 johnx says Depends: libxm12 (=2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4) but 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 is to be installed Jan 13 17:21:00 johnx: you should definately see that jpg too Jan 13 17:21:05 wazd, that looks gorgeous Jan 13 17:21:24 johnx: thx :) Jan 13 17:21:29 Andrewfblack, apt-cache policy libxml2 Jan 13 17:21:39 Stskeeps: maybe write text right on pngs? Jan 13 17:22:11 wazd: yeah, is a possibility Jan 13 17:22:23 Stskeeps: It will look prettier I guess :) Jan 13 17:22:31 hehe, yeah Jan 13 17:22:39 remember to keep the raw material Jan 13 17:22:46 we might want to do 6 options at some point :P Jan 13 17:22:49 johnx tells me I have 2.6.27.dfsg-1.maemo1 installed Jan 13 17:23:08 Stskeeps: sure, all my work lives as .psd's on my PC :) Jan 13 17:23:10 Andrewfblack, and where is it from? Jan 13 17:23:16 what repository? Jan 13 17:23:34 httP;//repository.maemo.org diablo/free Jan 13 17:23:50 Stskeeps: post me the text for each tab so I can insert it Jan 13 17:24:12 Andrewfblack, if you type: apt-get install libxm12=2.6.27.dfsg-1osso4 Jan 13 17:24:16 what does it say? Jan 13 17:25:05 wazd: Start Mer normally - Activate console on framebuffer - Act as a USB ethernet gadget with open telnetd - Act as a Serial USB Gadget with shell - Restart tablet Jan 13 17:25:14 Stskeeps, could you try hitting backspace on the h-i-m keyboard? and tell me if it crashes xorg for you too? Jan 13 17:25:16 tablet/device Jan 13 17:25:41 says it will downgrade the package Jan 13 17:25:46 Stskeeps: ok, and what size should .png's be to fit fullscreen? Jan 13 17:25:48 and asks me if I want to do it Jan 13 17:25:52 wazd: 800x480 Jan 13 17:26:08 johnx: nop Jan 13 17:26:26 Andrewfblack, should be fine Jan 13 17:26:54 Stskeeps: ok Jan 13 17:27:03 wazd: thanks for all the good work so far btw :) Jan 13 17:27:20 Andrewfblack, I mean, should fine to downgrade if nothing is depending on the later version. however you might want to backup just to be on the safe side. :) Jan 13 17:28:36 I keep an upto date backup all the time lol Jan 13 17:29:01 Stskeeps: It's good to help if you can :) Jan 13 17:29:06 beleave it or not a few of my themes have made me have to restore before Jan 13 17:29:24 Andrewfblack, then downgrade it and after that install osso-software-version-rx44 Jan 13 17:29:29 johnx: xf86-video-omap-fb is on your bzr? Jan 13 17:30:15 yup Jan 13 17:30:22 xserver-xorg-video-omapfb Jan 13 17:31:02 how long does the warranty last on the n810? Jan 13 17:31:18 Sargun, 1 year I think Jan 13 17:32:58 johnx: i'm adding in functionality of fb_update_mode into the x driver Jan 13 17:33:27 sounds great, I'll fix those things in first-boot-wizard Jan 13 17:33:40 is it possible to have rotation enabled with the last ssu ? Jan 13 17:40:20 johnx: pushed to ~mer-committers Jan 13 17:40:26 anyone want to help me with arrow for MerEcho theme? Jan 13 17:42:03 johnx: weird question, is the cursor supposed to be blinking in applications? Jan 13 17:42:19 i question. where are the conf files of maemo mappers ? Jan 13 17:42:51 Stskeeps, ... blinking? Jan 13 17:43:06 johnx: yeah, like, in a text field Jan 13 17:43:09 TheFatal, it stores settings in gconf Jan 13 17:43:29 and where is gconf ? Jan 13 17:43:34 Stskeeps, good question. only thing I ever run is roxterm Jan 13 17:43:56 TheFatal, to edit settings stored in gconf you should get gconf-editor Jan 13 17:44:27 johnx: successful hack with update mode btw Jan 13 17:44:43 TheFatal, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gconf-editor/ Jan 13 17:44:53 Stskeeps, awesome! did it turn out to be pretty simple? Jan 13 17:44:54 http://i033.radikal.ru/0901/dd/e14d95901e1f.png | http://i001.radikal.ru/0901/b5/451f59144db9.png | http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/0901/73/50f61d30e225.png | http://s55.radikal.ru/i147/0901/dc/67299b8389ab.png | http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0901/48/2f491466201d.png Jan 13 17:45:03 johnx: oneliner Jan 13 17:45:18 Stskeeps: I thought if I can use jpg to reduce overall size Jan 13 17:45:41 wazd: are the jpgs smaller or? Jan 13 17:45:42 Stskeeps: Since five pics costs more that 1 meg Jan 13 17:45:57 Sskeeps: jpgs are way smaller Jan 13 17:46:07 then go for that instead Jan 13 17:46:24 space is a factor i guess :) Jan 13 17:46:30 still, looks bloody brilliant Jan 13 17:46:52 Stskeeps: check the text, I'll just resave pngs Jan 13 17:47:07 Stskeeps, imagine me or you trying to do art for this? *shakes his head* Jan 13 17:47:16 johnx: 80s style Jan 13 17:47:19 but yes Jan 13 17:47:24 that would be loathsome Jan 13 17:47:46 a mix of foojacked icons and pictures drawn with a mouse in gimp Jan 13 17:48:47 johnx: well, actually all of that stuff was made with netbook trackpad :D Jan 13 17:48:55 + cat /usr/share/first-boot-wizard/host-template Jan 13 17:48:55 cat: /usr/share/first-boot-wizard/host-template: No such file or directory Jan 13 17:48:58 -> johnx Jan 13 17:49:00 wazd: that looks great, I was thinking I was missing out by not getting to look at the great splash screen when I zig through the rescue menu Jan 13 17:49:03 johnx: so mouse is not big deal) Jan 13 17:49:19 Stskeeps, typo :) Jan 13 17:49:22 r2d2rogers: apt-get upgrade and you can see splash again Jan 13 17:49:22 fixing... Jan 13 17:49:40 r2d2rogers: (xf86-video-omapfb update) Jan 13 17:49:43 r2d2rogers: gotta unbreak my apt-get first Jan 13 17:49:47 oooo Jan 13 17:50:05 Stskeeps: is text alright?) Jan 13 17:50:51 wazd: i suspect the font is better on tablet screen Jan 13 17:50:56 I can see Mer's ad: "Mer's rescue screen is so cute that you will atually want to break your device to see it!" Jan 13 17:51:17 lol Jan 13 17:51:28 is solca's boot selector thing capable of using a similar front end? Jan 13 17:51:51 johnx: there's some kexec problems atm so that is kinda put in the grave temporarily Jan 13 17:52:03 johnx: can you make me a favor ? Jan 13 17:52:12 it requires the r&d serial mode on Jan 13 17:52:17 TheFatal, sure Jan 13 17:52:41 Stskeeps, in the grave only to rise again hungering for the brains of innocent developers? Jan 13 17:52:43 can u send the poi.db file of maemo-mapper to this mail :: guido.rugo@gmail.com Jan 13 17:52:54 TheFatal, I don't have one Jan 13 17:52:55 * Stskeeps tries to install network-manager-gnome Jan 13 17:53:13 do you hace N810 ? Jan 13 17:53:17 have** Jan 13 17:53:38 Stskeeps: well, looks pretty sexy on tablet :) Jan 13 17:53:55 TheFatal, I have an N800, and it's not booted to OS2008 right now. if you delete it or a move it maemo-mapper will probably create a new one Jan 13 17:56:07 :S Jan 13 17:56:36 Stskeeps: Jpgs are 4 times smaller than png without visual quality loss Jan 13 17:56:38 no, it does not create new one Jan 13 17:57:22 grr @ update-notifier Jan 13 17:57:35 that thing -really- needs to go Jan 13 17:57:47 except that breaks NM Jan 13 17:57:48 that's lovely Jan 13 18:01:01 johnx: plugdev, netdev as part of first-boot-wizard? Jan 13 18:01:22 http://s61.radikal.ru/i171/0901/c5/6d882d7139b3.jpg | http://s42.radikal.ru/i096/0901/a4/c49a6447bae8.jpg | http://s40.radikal.ru/i087/0901/7a/8c8572d2b348.jpg | http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0901/de/0abbc991b295.jpg | http://s53.radikal.ru/i140/0901/33/99c87c8407b8.jpg Jan 13 18:01:39 Stskeeps, roger Jan 13 18:02:48 hey anyone know if there is a dc++ client for maemo Jan 13 18:03:00 nm-applet so needs to be hildonized.. Jan 13 18:03:13 or does one need to be ported Jan 13 18:03:59 Shadow_M: never heard of that, but the port would be awesome, since I've searched for it too) Jan 13 18:05:14 hmm yeah it would be nice what would have to get ported the gui right if compiled from source Jan 13 18:07:19 I can actually test "rescue menu" in image viewer :P Jan 13 18:07:35 hehe :> Jan 13 18:08:52 * r2d2rogers tries to find out what dies in hildon on first load Jan 13 18:08:59 Hellone !oyreve Jan 13 18:08:59 sapwood? Jan 13 18:09:12 hadn't triggered it yet Jan 13 18:09:13 wazd: awesome pics, and I don't notice any jpg artefacts Jan 13 18:09:17 but probable Jan 13 18:09:47 mgedmin: well, they are there, but too small to see them without magnify :) Jan 13 18:09:48 Stskeeps: still using the start-hildon? Jan 13 18:10:12 r2d2rogers: i'll answer later, adding pics to rescue menu atm :) Jan 13 18:10:12 someone have some snippet code about inserting image in a sqlite database from a gtk.Image to sqltie and vice and versa ?; Jan 13 18:10:17 Hey Khertan :) Jan 13 18:10:28 r2d2rogers: and i should -really- get to make that lassagna tonight i have been wishing for all week ;) Jan 13 18:10:58 pixbuf will make me crazy with their poor docs Jan 13 18:11:39 Khertan_n810_12: no, but maybe http://blogs.gnome.org/vivien/2007/01/14/storing-pictures-in-a-database-with-libgdalibgnomedb/ will help Jan 13 18:11:59 Stskeeps: cool, lunch here too, catch ya in an hour or so... Jan 13 18:12:25 Stskeeps, you done with all your exams? Jan 13 18:12:30 other question : do you have problem displaying the output of the n810 camera ... ? i get a freeze for 10 to 15s every minutes Jan 13 18:12:33 johnx: 1 down, 2 to go Jan 13 18:13:10 thx for the link Jan 13 18:13:17 last time I played with the nokia 'camera' app, it used so much CPU that the device became unresponsive and eventually rebooted Jan 13 18:13:29 Khertan_n810, for the images and database thing wouldnt it be more usable to save it alongside the DB and have only the name in the db Jan 13 18:13:58 that way the system thumbnailer can access and handle it Jan 13 18:14:07 and you could at a later stage use that info :) Jan 13 18:14:14 how can i delete a gconf file Jan 13 18:14:29 let's see: first-boot-wizard: default theme, add titles, add user to netdev and plugdev. was there anything else? Jan 13 18:14:37 johnx: background Jan 13 18:14:41 righ Jan 13 18:14:43 t Jan 13 18:14:58 this goes for both hildon-desktop-env and first-boot-wizard :P Jan 13 18:15:04 the dark color is depressing Jan 13 18:15:06 Khertan_n810, also, camera wise try setting gstreamer to send down smaller images and lesser framerate :: liqbase is rock solid at 320*240*15 Jan 13 18:15:44 at full speed i think you run out of bandwidth to do everything Jan 13 18:16:32 * lcuk speaks to a blank wall :P Jan 13 18:17:28 yeah, I thought the camera app seemed to be having bandwidth issues instead of CPU issues Jan 13 18:17:34 johnx, dunno if you got the armel zenity built in Mer already but it builds fine if I do : "export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python ; export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH" (albeit slowly when it comes to the docs) in scratchbox Jan 13 18:17:48 lcuk, if the wall answers, you have problems Jan 13 18:17:48 qwerty12: wtf redirects python? O_o Jan 13 18:18:07 Stskeeps, ? Jan 13 18:18:09 is there any application client already running on maemo that is similar of sofia sip client? Jan 13 18:18:12 what devkit overrides python? Jan 13 18:18:17 johnx, internally its usb and stuff and between the omapfb and the camera and gtk needing copies of buffers and sending over x11 and everything its gotta starve it Jan 13 18:18:17 ah Jan 13 18:18:17 qwerty12, thanks. I'll try that in a sec Jan 13 18:18:56 johnx: you can (but i usually dont like it), dpkg-buildpackage -B and /import-indep-packages instead btw Jan 13 18:18:59 lcuk, reminds me of my PCI TV tuner card saturating the PCI bus :) Jan 13 18:19:03 i do it when i dont want to wait for builder Jan 13 18:19:12 Stskeeps, sbox uses python internally afaik, the weird shell thing it uses on top of bash uses python iirc Jan 13 18:19:16 or the builder sdk is stupid Jan 13 18:19:22 Stskeeps, I'd like to get this building. it's a core package... Jan 13 18:19:23 yeah sounds reasonable - im just gonna test something.. Jan 13 18:20:27 lovely Jan 13 18:20:30 NM requires dhclient Jan 13 18:20:51 doesn't udhcp have issues anyways? What's the size difference? Jan 13 18:21:09 http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/01/13/palms-mojo-sdk-for-webos-in-pictures/ Jan 13 18:22:16 wazd so you never found a dc++ client for maemo would one for debian work if you booted debian on it Jan 13 18:22:26 hi, do we have a german irc channel too? Jan 13 18:23:22 johnx: in other good news NM works Jan 13 18:23:38 Stskeeps, w00t! What was the magic? Jan 13 18:23:58 johnx: dhcp3-client, gweather, possibly missing icons in theme Jan 13 18:24:37 johnx: oh, when start-hildon starts, it should mkdir -p MyDocs/.images Jan 13 18:24:40 (for easy screenshots) Jan 13 18:24:51 Shadow_M: nope( Jan 13 18:25:44 hmm how do we change that Jan 13 18:27:50 Stskeeps, it should just make the whole group right? Jan 13 18:27:57 .images, .sounds, etc, etc Jan 13 18:27:58 johnx: hmm? Jan 13 18:27:59 yeah Jan 13 18:28:57 running liqbase at 640*480 + taking pictures at 640*480 obtains realistic screen refresh, as soon as i run through the stretchblit routine (usually drops 2-3fps) it changes the camera to take about 3 seconds per frame (i see it drawing - its actually multiple screen frames per camera image) Jan 13 18:30:16 johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-nm.pngh Jan 13 18:30:24 s/pngh/png/ Jan 13 18:30:24 Stskeeps meant: johnx: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-nm.png Jan 13 18:30:40 ahaha! that's a neat notification Jan 13 18:30:41 the difference between blits is that copyblit uses 32bit longs, the stretchblit uses 8 bit bytes and hogs the bus for longer Jan 13 18:31:03 libnotify :) Jan 13 18:31:32 imagine walking in and out of wifi range all day :) Jan 13 18:31:42 there'd be a nice pile when you finally looked at your tablet Jan 13 18:32:38 * RST38h cackles evilly ((C)Angband) and suggests a semitransparent xterm with dmesg output instead Jan 13 18:32:50 johnx: nm-applet[3465]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Icon nm-device-wwan missing: Icon 'nm Jan 13 18:32:59 .. not present in theme Jan 13 18:33:53 or anywhere, for that sake Jan 13 18:36:03 640*480*8fps is STABLE Jan 13 18:36:17 and does not slugup Jan 13 18:38:09 qwerty12_N800, are you ok if the camera updates at 8fps instead of the current 15? Jan 13 18:38:36 ie its a bit more jerky, but benefits include better signal to noise and also 640*480 is stable :) Jan 13 18:38:52 wazd: rescue screen looks awesome :) Jan 13 18:39:02 i have a bit of green in the bottom by accident, but, awesome Jan 13 18:39:12 lcuk, I have no problems, the camera sucks anyway - any attempt to make it more stable = win for me :) Jan 13 18:39:23 heh Jan 13 18:39:27 http://www.steffenvogel.de/2009/01/11/selfmade-nokia-n810-micro-usb-otg-kabel/ Jan 13 18:39:35 sorry just in german Jan 13 18:40:05 have a look to the picturtes ;) Jan 13 18:41:37 Stskeeps: I didn't have virtual memory on again... missing part of the line in fstab... Jan 13 18:41:48 Stskeeps: but maemo-launcher is hanging up now, eating ram Jan 13 18:42:09 recent imaging or? Jan 13 18:42:45 yup Jan 13 18:42:55 missing "none" for mount point Jan 13 18:43:06 does tapioca supports sip? Jan 13 18:43:12 i've a avm fritzbox router with an usb port. how can i access to a usbdrive connected to this usb port? Jan 13 18:43:29 the router shares the hdd as a samba share Jan 13 18:44:12 unfortunatly the router isn't part of a windows workgroup, so the router does'nt appear in maemos filebrowser Jan 13 18:44:40 stv0: wizard mounter maybe Jan 13 18:45:01 do you have some additionals infos or an url? Jan 13 18:45:08 its totally new to me Jan 13 18:45:38 google wizard mounter maemo Jan 13 18:46:10 johnx: our watchdog crash screen should be a fish floating to the top.. Jan 13 18:46:10 :P Jan 13 18:46:29 ahaha Jan 13 18:46:47 ouch...pretty psycologically damaging O_o Jan 13 18:47:28 in style of the sad mac Jan 13 18:48:05 how many maemo-lanucher processes should there be? Jan 13 18:48:22 depends on time of day and location in the world Jan 13 18:48:34 Jan 13 18:50:10 lcuk's scaringily right though Jan 13 18:50:11 :P Jan 13 18:50:55 oi, its not that rare Jan 13 18:51:51 so I'm up to wondering why one of them seems to be a run away Jan 13 18:54:04 r2d2rogers, kill all of them and restart X and start-hildon Jan 13 18:56:57 X auto restarts Jan 13 18:57:00 but wilco Jan 13 18:57:29 killall maemo-launcher, done Jan 13 18:57:50 have set my user to login after timeout so I can get logged back in Jan 13 18:58:10 * r2d2rogers needs to find more locales Jan 13 18:58:29 perl keeps complaining Jan 13 18:59:10 johnx: it loops back to the greeter Jan 13 19:00:43 r2d2rogers, can you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors ? Jan 13 19:00:49 now I have the hildon screen up, same as earlier screen shot, but with a white box in the desktopo Jan 13 19:02:04 johnx: http://pastebin.com/m237e8c19 Jan 13 19:02:43 http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/sony_dsc_g3_camera_has_wi_fi_and_linux Jan 13 19:02:51 o_O Jan 13 19:04:29 johnx: it restarts X after droppiong a segmentation fault into the .xsession-errors Jan 13 19:04:32 lcuk, lots of things run linux that you don't know about. now if it would run mer I'd sign up :) Jan 13 19:05:05 r2d2rogers, so it gets to the desktop, prints those lines. does it crash on its own after a while? Jan 13 19:05:13 yes Jan 13 19:05:38 a camera? wazzit do with an OS Jan 13 19:05:58 cpu maxed, top indicates it's maemo-launcher tying up the processor Jan 13 19:06:01 with or without sapwood running Jan 13 19:06:44 CutMeOwnThroat, I would assume the OS runs programs? like maybe a flickr uploader. might even handle some post processing Jan 13 19:07:13 it's obviously there for the wifi-part... funny thing to have in a camera, though Jan 13 19:07:27 it has a browser :) Jan 13 19:08:01 things more and more become what is known as "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" in Germany Jan 13 19:08:40 things become unpronounceable to foreigners? :) Jan 13 19:08:43 haha... not sure I could translate this, but there's a wikipedia article on it Jan 13 19:08:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eierlegende_Wollmilchsau Jan 13 19:09:19 actually the article claims I can use it in English as well :) Jan 13 19:10:05 CutMeOwnThroat, i thought the same, but if its a decent camera and a reasonable touch device running linux then its ticking lots of good boxes for me, shame it lacks a keyboard Jan 13 19:10:21 depends on if it's hackable or not Jan 13 19:10:32 don't underestimate that very important point Jan 13 19:11:15 is there any sip client for maemo? Jan 13 19:11:16 brand new Samsung vacum cleaner with linux onboard :) Jan 13 19:11:34 StOrM_NW: Gizmo actually Jan 13 19:11:56 StOrM_NW: and even built in stuff Jan 13 19:11:59 StOrM_NW, included with the OS Jan 13 19:12:12 OS 2008.? Jan 13 19:12:21 yes. internet call Jan 13 19:12:21 now where was it i could get a 770 kernel.. Jan 13 19:12:22 StOrM_NW: OS whatever it is Jan 13 19:12:43 k Jan 13 19:13:10 let me guess you can use the vacuum cleaner for phoning, keeping your addresses, emailing and making coffee? Jan 13 19:13:58 CutMeOwnThroat: sure! Also you can install Ubuntu on it! Jan 13 19:14:12 eek Jan 13 19:15:11 does it make eggs? Jan 13 19:15:12 r2d2rogers: any clue where to grab a os2008he kernel from? Jan 13 19:15:38 I usually head to fanoush, Jan 13 19:16:00 source? :P Jan 13 19:16:27 the URL or source code? Jan 13 19:16:35 source Jan 13 19:16:54 I actually wanted to ask you about this little chappie here: http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/tech-data/B000Y4AH3C Jan 13 19:17:02 Stskeeps: digging Jan 13 19:17:56 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/free/source/k/kernel-source-2.6.16/ Jan 13 19:18:14 plus fanoush's patches http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/n770-49-mmc-2.6.18-osso55-sdhc.diff Jan 13 19:18:24 Stskeeps: ^^^ Jan 13 19:18:27 k Jan 13 19:19:44 * RST38h wonders. Jan 13 19:19:53 I was never in for pdas, heck, I don't even have a mobile, but this thing looks like a sort of micro-laptop that runs linux... Jan 13 19:19:56 eh? Jan 13 19:20:01 wtf Jan 13 19:20:38 CutMeOwnThroat: sure is Jan 13 19:20:50 did I (or my xchat) really change the topic, or did xchat just make that up.... (if yes, sorry) Jan 13 19:20:56 make it up i think Jan 13 19:21:17 ok... good :) Jan 13 19:21:51 CutMeOwnThroat: it's about one of the most open mobile devices on the market that works Jan 13 19:22:18 Stskeeps, so do you have full control over it from start on, or do you have to break into your own device? Jan 13 19:22:45 enable maemo extras in application, install rootsh, and you can sudo gainroot Jan 13 19:23:06 application manager Jan 13 19:23:18 that translates into... you don't have by default, but it's easy? Jan 13 19:23:24 as easy as eating pie. Jan 13 19:23:48 * CutMeOwnThroat considers it can be pretty hard eating a huge, overly sweet pie Jan 13 19:23:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Jan 13 19:23:50 :-P Jan 13 19:24:25 there's even a X terminal :) Jan 13 19:25:04 The DSC-G3 comes with a Zeiss lens with 4x zoom, a large 3.5" touch display, and 4GB of internal memory. Most interesting is the camera's software that includes, among other things, face and scene recognition, based on Busybox and Kernel 2.6.11 for the Access Linux Platform. Jan 13 19:25:16 Sts: How about running MeR on a Cybershot? =) Jan 13 19:25:24 r2d2rogers: i was just thinking of it Jan 13 19:25:26 CyberMer :) Jan 13 19:25:28 er Jan 13 19:25:30 RST38h: Jan 13 19:25:31 heh Jan 13 19:25:41 RST38h: i highly doubt it's a open device though Jan 13 19:25:42 Mer Shot Jan 13 19:26:13 Sts: well, for each keyhole... Jan 13 19:26:46 RST38h, you're late. lcuk linked it before :P Jan 13 19:27:03 johnx: ehhh...why am I always late? Jan 13 19:27:31 * r2d2rogers upgrades to the new rescue menu Jan 13 19:27:35 no worry, the next teacher-crucified-for-installing-linux story is all mine. Jan 13 19:27:52 RST38h, and yes, if I saw a strong hacking community around that camera I'd be saving up the money already Jan 13 19:28:16 johnx: Sony's ebook has been hacked already btw Jan 13 19:28:44 lcuk: do you want a fast images scaler (though with crappy quality)? Jan 13 19:28:51 johnx: as for the camera, it seems to be an average p&s, so not sure if it is worth the money Jan 13 19:29:34 RST38h: Well, for 500$ I can buy beginner DSLR, without linux though :) Jan 13 19:29:46 RST38h, but the hack-value is very high. :) Jan 13 19:30:19 johnx: yes, but it is of not much use if it can't make good photos Jan 13 19:30:31 wazd: I would rather go for a G10 or something Jan 13 19:30:34 Stskeeps, sounds like fun... could probably use sshfs over the wireless as well :) Jan 13 19:30:56 RST38h, how much do you use the emulators you write? how many hours a day? Jan 13 19:31:04 RST38h: btw, do you know, if it's possible to patent hardware design in Russia? Jan 13 19:31:05 wazd: still pocketable, less danger to catch the photographer disease, etc Jan 13 19:31:06 lcuk: it's here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/mozilla/tags/stable_171108/microb-engine/microb-engine/1.0.4-60.20/debian/patches/820_browser-fast-image-scaling-v2.diff?revision=3729&root=browser&view=markup Jan 13 19:31:28 wazd: it is possible all right, but nobody will care anyway Jan 13 19:31:31 CutMeOwnThroat: tablet can run mer, maemo, ubuntu, gentoo, debian, android, etc Jan 13 19:31:35 it's really a very versatile device Jan 13 19:31:37 hw stuff is patentable anywhere Jan 13 19:32:01 johnx: Used VGBA today to play some weird Japanese Nethack clone Jan 13 19:32:09 johnx: Very cute btw Jan 13 19:32:27 lcuk: 'scale_image_16' is an ARM optimized nearest neighbour scaler implementation, probably the same as 'stretchblit' Jan 13 19:32:35 RST38h: So if I'll have russian patent other world wouldn't care bout it? Jan 13 19:32:39 johnx: 15 minutes total Jan 13 19:33:08 RST38h, :) right, and I like futzing around with strange hardware. in this case the photo functionality is pretty secondary Jan 13 19:33:12 wazd: Well, if I understand things correctly, in US I will be able to use your idea and you will have real trouble suing me Jan 13 19:33:16 also, I'm a crappy photographer anyways Jan 13 19:33:25 Stskeeps, well, "disk" (flash) space is limited... but I just see you can extend to up to 32GB... that would indeed be enough for Debian... how amazing :) Jan 13 19:33:28 wazd: So, it is greatly suggested to get a US patent Jan 13 19:33:48 wazd: Submitting an application costs around $750 afaik (may be wrong) Jan 13 19:34:12 RST38h: Even if they will deny it?) Jan 13 19:34:33 CutMeOwnThroat: 256mb internal flash, 2gb internal mmc, 32gb external mmc Jan 13 19:34:34 so Jan 13 19:34:36 wazd: Yes. But it usually takes 2 years or so to process it and all that time your rights will be already protected Jan 13 19:34:47 wazd: tme counts since you submit the application Jan 13 19:35:03 RST38h: hm, that's good news) Jan 13 19:35:43 so when that sony linux-cam says the 3.5" display is 921k pixels, that would be 1024x900 or so, huh? Jan 13 19:35:47 re Jan 13 19:35:51 RST38h: I think I should search FCC if it has similar submissions or so Jan 13 19:36:15 ... although I don't see a lot of 32gb micro sd cards around, yet Jan 13 19:36:35 wazd: FCC is not a patent office Jan 13 19:37:07 wazd: Patent office is USPTO Jan 13 19:37:07 RST38h: oh, they're like russian RST Jan 13 19:37:21 wazd: FCC is American Inspekciya Elektrosvyazi Jan 13 19:37:35 RST38h: :) Jan 13 19:37:52 www.uspto.gov/ for patents Jan 13 19:38:34 johnx: digital camera displays are not always built like computer displays Jan 13 19:38:41 johnx: sounds way too much Jan 13 19:38:55 johnx: I think they count rgb components separately Jan 13 19:39:07 RST38h, that would be sad :/ Jan 13 19:39:24 johnx: well, the sensor resolutions are counted like that Jan 13 19:39:26 johnx: they may have diagonal pixels orientation, not rows and coloumns Jan 13 19:39:41 maybe Sony decided to bend reality a little and do the same with the display resolution Jan 13 19:39:50 RST38h, yup, 640x480 :) Jan 13 19:40:03 Wow. ITT's gone... quiet. Jan 13 19:40:26 wazd: naah, pixels are still arranged rectangularly, it is the update that is done diagonally sometimes Jan 13 19:40:45 wazd: mostly in cheap portable dvd players Jan 13 19:41:08 they posted their linux source :) Jan 13 19:41:40 RST38h: I have such a screen on my Nikon D70. "For sharper image" it's said :) Jan 13 19:42:09 lie, terrible lie Jan 13 19:42:29 johnx: it will only be a few weeks now, before someone breaks it =) Jan 13 19:42:50 RST38h, no one ever bothered with Sony's COM1 or COM2 Jan 13 19:43:09 but that was probably since the N800/N810 were out and open Jan 13 19:43:37 also called mylo Jan 13 19:44:06 johnx: I think somebody tried to couple with them but later said they weren't forthcoming Jan 13 19:44:16 Stskeeps, well, thanks, that has been interesting to know :) Jan 13 19:44:25 let's see what the interweb says Jan 13 19:44:45 RST38h, from what I've seen there was one hack for the very first firmware version and then sony clamped it down and no one with knowledge stepped up Jan 13 19:45:03 BTW, think that sony camera has usb host support Jan 13 19:45:08 johnx: Sony is really stupi in this regard Jan 13 19:45:48 johnx: they should let copyright lawyers rule so totally, even in the areas which they shouldn't be present in Jan 13 19:46:23 ssvb, can i just compile that asm up with the normal code, because every time i tried (when i was first working on blitter) it always failed Jan 13 19:46:51 my stretchblit is exceedingly poor, but theres pathways for normal and for blended and blend+alpha Jan 13 19:47:19 lcuk: are you using assembly? Jan 13 19:47:54 no, i could never get it to work Jan 13 19:48:08 i think though i have to concentrate more on the front end side of things Jan 13 19:48:15 ~60M of RAM, / is a ramfs Jan 13 19:48:16 johnx: what are you talking about? Jan 13 19:48:22 i have to get this last class into the lib Jan 13 19:48:34 infobot, things beyond your comprehension my little friend Jan 13 19:48:55 infobot knows everything Jan 13 19:48:56 Yes, I do, lcuk. Jan 13 19:49:22 sadly I'm pretty sure that camera doesn't have any way to access the actualy camera part from linux :/ Jan 13 19:49:32 infobot, what colour is green? Jan 13 19:49:34 Meiz_n810: what are you talking about? Jan 13 19:49:40 that makes it much less cool in my book Jan 13 19:49:41 hehee Jan 13 19:49:58 infobot, do you copy? Jan 13 19:49:58 yes, I copy. Jan 13 19:50:08 johnx: http://www.myloforums.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37 Jan 13 19:50:09 infobot, good :) Jan 13 19:50:10 Good :), good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! Jan 13 19:50:21 lcuk: Need help with assembly? Jan 13 19:50:56 RST38h, i was asking earlier, it would be beneficial if we could get libliqbase core functions even faster Jan 13 19:51:18 now im almost ready with the api any help to that end would be great (so i can get on with buildign the examples for the lib) Jan 13 19:51:32 Damn, so much crappy designs are patented! Jan 13 19:51:46 lcuk: Well, I probably won't be able to write the whole thing for you but I can show you how to get started Jan 13 19:52:06 RST38h, ssvb, the only problem i see with asm is that currently the code works and is v fast on both arm and x86 Jan 13 19:52:30 yeah rst, well ssvb has just pasted a nice looking stretchblit that can probably be moulded Jan 13 19:52:45 lcuk: but you said your stretchblt and blend are slow? Jan 13 19:52:52 i was wondering though earlier how to do rotation blits Jan 13 19:52:57 yeah they are Jan 13 19:53:02 slower than i would like Jan 13 19:53:07 but certainly not slouches :) Jan 13 19:53:15 mmm ok Jan 13 19:54:06 Anyway, if you want to get started with assembler on Maemo let me know Jan 13 19:54:28 RST38h, terrifying! there's progress since the last time I checked in on those guys Jan 13 19:54:37 i most certainly will, when i put this stretchblit func in ill prob start tearing my hair out :) ill make sure everything is on svn before i start so we can coordinate Jan 13 19:55:21 * lcuk is pleased hes spent time making the lib, its going to be easier to work with from different angles :) Jan 13 19:56:23 ok, spoke too soon: no progress on the mylo2 at all Jan 13 19:56:29 like I told you lcuk: for a good programmer quality is not an option :) Jan 13 19:56:47 lcuk: rotation blits need to be cache friendly, this way they can be fast Jan 13 19:57:53 heh yeah ssvb, i know its entirely possible to get them fast(ish) - i just want to use the multitouch to better effect ;) Jan 13 19:59:43 So good to have 10 gigs instead of 2 again Jan 13 20:00:35 Guys, is there any way to pair win explorer with ssh? Jan 13 20:00:43 lcuk: this scaler code should work fine as-is on both ARM and x86, it automatically uses assembly optimizations when you compile it for ARM Jan 13 20:00:55 wazd, no freeware ways Jan 13 20:01:30 im just reading through it now, its optimized for 16bit pixels Jan 13 20:01:31 lcuk: there is one pitfall - stride is measured in bytes, so you may spend some time figuring how to call it right Jan 13 20:02:15 lcuk: yes, it is used for 16 bit pixels, what implementation do you need? Jan 13 20:02:31 8bit - ive got the 3 planes (1full + 2half) Jan 13 20:02:38 wazd: dokan sshfs Jan 13 20:03:00 i considered looking around the demo scene for their mode 15h blit routines from vga days Jan 13 20:03:03 wazd: if you're wanting to mount ssh as a drive in windws Jan 13 20:03:12 lcuk: hmm, I see, it may need some modification to work with 8-bit pixels, but nothing too complex Jan 13 20:03:45 qwerty12_N800: dokan is free Jan 13 20:03:50 yeah ill probably extract it all out, make sure the asm ops themselves build in and work for single pixel then unroll Jan 13 20:03:53 also for 64bit windows Jan 13 20:04:18 glass, wicked, didn't know it existed :). thanks Jan 13 20:04:44 Ah, it wasn't around when I googled for the same Jan 13 20:04:53 qwerty12_N800: i just found it like 2 weeks ago :p Jan 13 20:05:04 qwerty12_N800: while googling for that commercial one actually.. Jan 13 20:05:13 glass, I wasn't looking a few weeks ago :D Jan 13 20:05:14 glass: whoa, thanks! Jan 13 20:05:44 No, i'm bs'ing, my google fu sucks Jan 13 20:06:24 ssvb, probably easier for me to get the lib out first and then we can see what needs doing Jan 13 20:07:28 im gonna vanish and get some more done Jan 13 20:08:17 * johnx gets sidetracked, looks at other hackable linux machines Jan 13 20:08:35 zipit z2 w/ 32MB of RAM for $45 O_o Jan 13 20:08:45 advanced backlight question... does anyone have the png files that have 5 in the following x spot? adv-backlight-icon-6.x.u.png Jan 13 20:10:04 http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1360/microstcew092if1.jpg - lol Jan 13 20:10:45 well, wazd, I was waiting to meet someone who noticied that Jan 13 20:11:03 wazd, i knew win 7 was new - but not that new :) Jan 13 20:11:41 damn, now I hate ms( Jan 13 20:11:43 wazd: that your wallpaper or theirs? ;) Jan 13 20:11:49 hi Jan 13 20:11:59 hi woglinde Jan 13 20:12:18 stsk: it came with windows 7 Jan 13 20:12:23 hehe Jan 13 20:12:28 there is a version with the swimming fish too Jan 13 20:12:37 actually pretty cute :) Jan 13 20:13:22 ciroip: well.. did you see the Mer artwork? Jan 13 20:13:35 not at all Jan 13 20:13:45 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer/ Jan 13 20:13:50 im disstracted in my own world for now Jan 13 20:13:51 which explains why wazd hates MS ;) Jan 13 20:14:09 that's a real fuck up Jan 13 20:14:17 well, I saw that wallpaper :) Jan 13 20:14:22 uber fuck up Jan 13 20:14:27 goddamn( Jan 13 20:14:34 I laugh for 10 minuts when I saw the windows 7 installation Jan 13 20:14:48 it uses that wallpaper? :P Jan 13 20:14:51 because Im pretty sure is in the installation progress, not a simple wallpaper Jan 13 20:15:00 yep stks Jan 13 20:15:05 sue mickeysoft! Jan 13 20:15:12 well, think about the midori guy Jan 13 20:15:27 well, we should analyze the pixelby pixle comparison Jan 13 20:15:39 Corsac: hm? Jan 13 20:15:42 how the heck should a knew bout that( Jan 13 20:15:46 aquatix: OMG, you here@! Jan 13 20:16:00 Corsac: are you following me around? Jan 13 20:16:00 aquatix: midori is the codename for windows7 iirc Jan 13 20:16:04 aquatix: sure Jan 13 20:16:05 oh lol Jan 13 20:16:28 wazd: hehe.. i think we can continue with the artwork though :) Jan 13 20:16:49 Stskeeps: i don't see why not indeed Jan 13 20:16:59 too bad if it's seen as art ripoff by users though Jan 13 20:17:11 there's been plenty of artwork like that on christian postcards Jan 13 20:17:18 with the sun reaching through the dark skies Jan 13 20:17:19 ;) Jan 13 20:17:28 *g* Jan 13 20:17:42 how.. enlightening Jan 13 20:18:00 someone know Andrew Zhilin? Jan 13 20:18:13 yes :p Jan 13 20:18:20 ciroip: Sure ;) Jan 13 20:18:39 no Jan 13 20:18:42 he x-fade Jan 13 20:18:42 xD Jan 13 20:18:43 * X-Fade watches ciroip getting in a fun situation now ;) Jan 13 20:18:53 hehe Jan 13 20:18:58 well, I didnt know was here around... Jan 13 20:19:15 I think that Andrew Zhilin just copied stuff! Jan 13 20:19:23 Bastard Jan 13 20:19:28 Im used to found myself in funny situations without know how Jan 13 20:20:34 But whatever, it's the sea, it's nice, fuck off MS!) Jan 13 20:20:59 And it looks way better btw :D Jan 13 20:21:00 a person with a z and an h in the surname cant be trust Jan 13 20:21:34 ciroip: true Jan 13 20:21:42 i m trying to add a new account using the control panel for sip service and for all sip provider that i put on the account setup ... i m always getting the message "Unable to connect to one or more accounts" ... is the Account manager in maemo only working with gtalk? or i can use it also with sip Jan 13 20:22:08 do exist an higher resolution on web? Jan 13 20:22:53 I have 1920x1200 Jan 13 20:23:16 And I have .psd :P Jan 13 20:24:02 fuck, that's a real shame( Now everybody thinks that it's a copycat( Jan 13 20:24:02 ok wazd is not a wallpaper, is on the ctrl=alt+del login page Jan 13 20:24:02 and is scary similar Jan 13 20:24:03 yep\ Jan 13 20:24:10 I thinked your was the copy Jan 13 20:24:57 ciroip, well, actually theres only "light from above" concept that's simmilar Jan 13 20:25:16 lol, is freaking similar Jan 13 20:26:30 mine's more detailed) Jan 13 20:28:35 fuck, what a shame Jan 13 20:28:56 add in a nokia tire on the bottom.. ;) Jan 13 20:29:49 Sts: with the Crazy Fish (tm) Jan 13 20:29:54 or a gravestone with "fuck ms web designers" Jan 13 20:30:03 s/web// Jan 13 20:30:04 Stskeeps meant: or a gravestone with "fuck ms designers" Jan 13 20:34:09 ok, let's try another one Jan 13 20:34:29 hehe, i hope you don't have to reconstruct every single artwork though Jan 13 20:34:50 Actualy I have) Jan 13 20:38:48 wazd: as revenge we can always go with andrewfblack's XP theme,, ;> (http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22641) Jan 13 20:39:34 stsk............. Jan 13 20:39:48 ciroip: just call me sts :) Jan 13 20:39:51 It's actualy not so difficult to make another wallpaper, maybe even better than the current one Jan 13 20:40:20 whatever, sts, it seem pidgin dont have the tab complete things so sorry for f the name all the time Jan 13 20:40:29 ciroip: hehe, it's fine :) friends call me sts Jan 13 20:40:38 The weirdest thing is this fucking similarity and that I haven't seen Win 7 before Jan 13 20:40:48 and his girlfriend calls him "sweetiepie" Jan 13 20:40:51 * w00t runs Jan 13 20:41:11 stsexy? :P Jan 13 20:41:20 * qwerty12_N800 joins w00t in running Jan 13 20:41:27 yes, wazd, no ashame on me to think u were mocking up Jan 13 20:42:19 wazd: it isn't unreasonable that great minds think alike :) Jan 13 20:42:33 qwerty12_N800: :) Jan 13 20:42:47 SCO Group has announced plans to auction off its Unix and mobile products to ensure their survival while continuing its long-running fight over alleged violations of its IP in Linux. Jan 13 20:42:54 Stskeeps: you say they have great minds at mickeysoft? Jan 13 20:43:14 It's alive, IT'S ALIVE! Jan 13 20:43:17 RST38h, does anyone still use SCO Unix after all this? Jan 13 20:44:05 * qwerty12_N800 remembers when caldera was seen as decent.. Jan 13 20:44:34 qwerty12_N800, yup. they really played this one wrong though :/ Jan 13 20:45:26 johnx, definatly :/ Jan 13 20:45:33 ~spell definatly Jan 13 20:45:35 possible spellings for definatly: defiantly definitely definably definable Jan 13 20:46:41 johnx: Someone probably does... Jan 13 20:46:57 johnx: in a universe far far away Jan 13 20:47:21 RST38h, yeah, but that was long ago Jan 13 20:47:45 johnx: The important thing now is to sue everyone using Linux! Jan 13 20:47:51 i'd like to kick anyone running windows in the god damn teeth Jan 13 20:48:04 RST38h, heh... even MS stopped making noises about doing that Jan 13 20:48:16 johnx: This will be the mighty holy grail from which SCO executives will drink the elixir of the eternal youth Jan 13 20:48:34 pupnik, I would take it as a kindness if you didn't kick my wife in the teeth Jan 13 20:48:45 pupnik, I have dual boot, does that mean i'll only get kicked in the balls instead :) Jan 13 20:48:56 johnx: And live forever, nauseating us all with their poisonous farts Jan 13 20:49:25 RST38h, the elixir known as "transparent pump n' dump scheme gone horribly out of control" Jan 13 20:50:47 johnx: I can amost bet that at least some of their top managers will end up in an asylum eventually Jan 13 20:51:21 RST38h, that would be a disgrace to dangerous lunatics everywhere Jan 13 20:52:18 dangerous lunatics would be a nice band name Jan 13 20:52:27 johnx: no, the "kill Linus Torvalds for taking my business model away" thing isn't that bad as far as manias go Jan 13 20:53:00 i feel like the soup nazi sometimes Jan 13 20:53:20 NO SOUP FOR YOU Jan 13 20:53:26 pupnik, soup nazi and the dangerous lunatics! Jan 13 20:54:15 soup nazis? Jan 13 20:54:53 RST38h, it's not the plan so much as the stubbornness that pegs them as more than run of the mill psychos Jan 13 20:55:24 pupnik: BTW, I once wondered, is Fatherland the movie allowed for showing in .DE? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109779/) Jan 13 20:55:25 RST38h, the RIAA trials began and ended inside the time that it took SCO to keep up their random flailing Jan 13 20:55:27 ok, beware microsoft Jan 13 20:55:34 Act 2\ Jan 13 20:55:35 pupnik: it is kind of a border case Jan 13 20:56:07 woglinde, from Seinfield, an American comedy show Jan 13 20:57:54 johnx: curious. maemo doesn't have /usr/share/icons/hildon Jan 13 20:58:45 Stskeeps, yeah, I wonder if that folder was adopted in an attempt to debian-ify things Jan 13 21:03:12 johnx: ah. the magic solution to all life's problems Jan 13 21:03:23 gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor Jan 13 21:03:56 * Stskeeps takes nice screenshots Jan 13 21:03:57 ah yes, the panacea Jan 13 21:04:04 you'll wanna specify -f Jan 13 21:04:27 * johnx wonders if he can assume all maemo themes will include a wallpaper Jan 13 21:05:20 yeah Jan 13 21:06:01 network-manager-gnome so needs a good hildonizing Jan 13 21:06:29 it will be a huge asset on other platforms too :) Jan 13 21:08:26 so, we decided to go back to xorg Jan 13 21:08:59 * Stskeeps ponders what else to change in imager Jan 13 21:09:23 if we need to hack stuff up to play nice with xomap then I don't see a point in using it Jan 13 21:09:30 yeah Jan 13 21:09:44 if better omapfb support fails to materialize we can go back later, but for now it works Jan 13 21:11:40 Stskeeps: got the fstab change for the 770? Jan 13 21:11:50 no, but i'll change it now Jan 13 21:11:58 thanks Jan 13 21:13:13 johnx: should i include network-manager-gnome in next image then? Jan 13 21:13:34 Stskeeps, yes, I think so Jan 13 21:13:41 any reason not to? Jan 13 21:13:47 "gweather" Jan 13 21:13:47 :P Jan 13 21:13:55 r2d2rogers: i think it's in the 770 one Jan 13 21:14:21 r2d2rogers: sure we want swap line in there or do we just assume they will have swap on p2? Jan 13 21:14:40 Stskeeps, it crashes without that huh? Jan 13 21:14:44 johnx: probably. Jan 13 21:14:54 blargh Jan 13 21:14:57 I think we sould require it for the 770 Jan 13 21:15:00 I wonder when mer is switching to ubifs Jan 13 21:15:01 *g* Jan 13 21:15:23 woglinde: when we can have sound on n800 and the agreement on distributing initfs images comes through Jan 13 21:15:27 basically Jan 13 21:15:29 Hey. Jan 13 21:15:33 wello Jan 13 21:15:35 I have a 770 running 2007HE... Jan 13 21:15:47 I also have a Palm with a terminal app that can use Bluetooth serial... Jan 13 21:16:09 Is there any way to rig up a virtual serial port on the Nokia so I can use the shell remotely? Jan 13 21:16:15 (Yeah, I know. It's silly.) Jan 13 21:16:19 does Palm do PAN? Jan 13 21:16:22 also a possibility Jan 13 21:16:24 Not sure. Jan 13 21:16:40 jpt9: should be doable, you have root ? Jan 13 21:16:48 via ssh, yes. Jan 13 21:17:09 if nothing else, pair and hcitoolll to get a /dev/rfcom0 etc Jan 13 21:17:16 should be a serial terminal link Jan 13 21:17:41 bey9ond that.,.. which way you want to have the terminal log show up? Jan 13 21:17:49 needs getty? Jan 13 21:17:54 What do you mean? Jan 13 21:18:00 johnx: i think i'll have it in the nokia tablet targets for now Jan 13 21:18:14 * r2d2rogers needs a nap and is probably rambling... Jan 13 21:18:20 looks like spammers will never give up on itT I wonder if anyone ever really buys stuff from them they must or they would stop lol Jan 13 21:18:28 johnx: oh, one thing, nm-applet needs to be run in hildon-desktop-env :/ Jan 13 21:18:29 jpt9: do you want to be typing from thepalm or the 770? Jan 13 21:18:44 I want to be typing from the palm. Jan 13 21:18:47 johnx: before hildon-desktop Jan 13 21:18:53 k Jan 13 21:18:59 Basically, a remote terminal. Jan 13 21:19:11 jpt9: got it... thinking Jan 13 21:19:24 r2d2rogers: Mer? ;> Jan 13 21:19:43 Stskeeps: yup Jan 13 21:19:49 jpt9: got an extra MMC laying around? 1 gig or larger? Jan 13 21:19:59 nope :-( Jan 13 21:20:06 Just the original 64MB one full of ebooks. Jan 13 21:20:07 why? Jan 13 21:20:30 you stumbled into some active work on a community edition OS for the NITs called Mer Jan 13 21:20:37 based on Ubuntu Jan 13 21:20:41 including the 770s :P Jan 13 21:20:45 Ah. Jan 13 21:20:47 Stskeeps: am I right so far? Jan 13 21:20:58 * jpt9 does a doubletake... UBUNTU?! Jan 13 21:20:59 yeah I'm the 770 tester so far Jan 13 21:21:03 on an n770?! Jan 13 21:21:04 uh huh Jan 13 21:21:18 jpt9: it's not the full gnome desktop, but we run a hildon desktop on top Jan 13 21:21:18 Well, I kind of have it set up how I like it... and I'm not sure how many of the repositories are still up... Jan 13 21:21:21 Ah. Jan 13 21:21:22 LXDE has worked in the past though Jan 13 21:21:34 If it's non-destructive, I have been meaning to get another card... Jan 13 21:21:42 yup Jan 13 21:21:49 If I did want a bigger memory card, what would I want? 1GB MMCmobile? Can I get a bigger one? Jan 13 21:21:57 grab a 2 gig or hack up a microsd to mmc adapter Jan 13 21:22:30 I plan on grabbing some of these at some point: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5091 Jan 13 21:22:49 cut off the USB part and it's a dandy adapter with no hacking on your 770 Jan 13 21:22:49 * jpt9 has really gotta get a Linux box... Jan 13 21:23:00 I mean, I have a 770, an OLPC... Jan 13 21:23:02 jpt9: where you from? Jan 13 21:23:15 well, I'm at RPI right now. Jan 13 21:23:52 Would this work: http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-TS1GRMMC4-Volate-Multimedia-Mobile/dp/B000E40RBO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231881729&sr=8-1 Jan 13 21:24:08 wait a sec... Jan 13 21:24:11 the pic is wrong... Jan 13 21:24:31 I have a kensington I think Jan 13 21:24:43 if it's the half size then that'd work Jan 13 21:25:04 i wish i could put more space on my n810 than an 8 gig minisd Jan 13 21:25:19 I'm trying to find some on Amazon... I'm also getting an 8GB microSDHC card for my Sansa e250R... Jan 13 21:25:22 Shadow_M: eh, doesn't it fit 32gb? or is that just n800 SD? Jan 13 21:25:39 does anyone happen to know if you can stop gnome-keyring from being so bloody obnoxious? Jan 13 21:25:56 and ask you to password your keyring and all that stuff Jan 13 21:26:27 jpt9: the advantage of the adapter is more availability and capacity for the microsd cards Jan 13 21:26:32 Stskeeps, thats the 800 n810 has 2 gig internal and one mini sd Jan 13 21:26:34 Ah. Jan 13 21:26:49 jpt9: are you running the kernel from Fanoush? Jan 13 21:26:58 prolly not of you just have the 64 meg card? Jan 13 21:27:30 no. Jan 13 21:27:35 It's full of ebooks. Jan 13 21:27:58 FBReader is awesome. Jan 13 21:28:01 if you puch that kernel on the 770 you could go up to the 8 or more gig cards you can get as microsd Jan 13 21:28:06 jpt9: yessir Jan 13 21:33:04 johnx: curious fact Jan 13 21:33:16 fremantle SDK seems like it has the locales screwed up too Jan 13 21:33:29 just looking at yerga's widgets Jan 13 21:33:37 mhm, nowadays is it needed to use binary only modules on n810? Jan 13 21:34:32 Corsac: there are various blobs (battery handling, wifi firmware), but no, there's a open source wifi driver Jan 13 21:35:43 so one can use whatever kernel he wants and still have a usable device? Jan 13 21:37:43 Corsac, we're very close to that :) Jan 13 21:37:56 wow, that's cool Jan 13 21:39:01 45fps! Jan 13 21:39:06 With almost perfect sound! Jan 13 21:39:27 RST38h, what is? Jan 13 21:39:33 I can actually do 62-71fps if I disable display ipdates Jan 13 21:39:38 GBA emulation Jan 13 21:39:46 on the n8x0?! Jan 13 21:39:59 ARMonARM enabled, 360MHz clock set Jan 13 21:40:20 johnx: I kinda suspect that it does the same or better on n8x0 but have to measure Jan 13 21:41:00 !! Jan 13 21:41:13 I would also like to add "fuck yes" Jan 13 21:41:32 there goes your need for a pandora, or? :P Jan 13 21:42:05 you can measure yourself - turn fps display on, turn input cues off, turn all special effects off and go full screen Jan 13 21:42:13 $330 for a real d-pad... Jan 13 21:42:17 multiply fps count you see by 3 Jan 13 21:42:27 johnx: make a usb one? Jan 13 21:42:27 :P Jan 13 21:42:31 Sts: I never needed Pandora Jan 13 21:42:33 RST38h, yeah, should be 30+ at any rate Jan 13 21:42:39 RST38h: was to johnx :) Jan 13 21:45:37 * Stskeeps boots mer up again and hopes he can ssh into it on wireless Jan 13 21:47:29 root@carsten-tablet Jan 13 21:47:30 woo Jan 13 21:47:43 hehe Jan 13 21:48:12 Stskeeps: how bout that: http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/0901/47/8ff3940bdd62.jpg Jan 13 21:48:26 not finished ofcourse Jan 13 21:48:42 wazd: hehe, at least it doesn't look like Windows 7 ;) Jan 13 21:49:00 :( Jan 13 21:49:17 (i like it) Jan 13 21:49:32 wazd, i'd take that as a compliment :p Jan 13 21:49:34 at least, since it's sea.. we have endless possibilities for wallpapers Jan 13 21:50:14 * wazd started to search for fucking wallpapers of that fucking OSes Jan 13 21:51:31 next to the regular ones Jan 13 21:52:10 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer0.6b/ <- new screenshots Jan 13 21:52:12 Sts,wazd: better fix that ugly titan theme Jan 13 21:52:22 ah, no way, I will not try to prove anybody anything Jan 13 21:52:26 metal-gray rectangles suck Jan 13 21:53:12 RST38h: what's wrong with Titan?) Jan 13 21:53:14 RST38h: hehe, for now it works Jan 13 21:53:25 compared to other themes Jan 13 21:53:37 wazd: ugly, remind me of Motif Jan 13 21:53:41 reminds Jan 13 21:54:16 Stskeeps, that's badass. Here's to hoping that nm works better on my tablet then it does on my desktop ;) Jan 13 21:54:29 qwerty12_N800: figure out how to get gnome-keyring out of my face.. Jan 13 21:54:39 i dont want to have something asking me about a bloody keyring password on my tablet.. Jan 13 21:54:44 RST38h: whoa, didn't know it's that bad actualy :) Jan 13 21:54:54 Stskeeps: change it to the login password Jan 13 21:55:00 the login keyring Jan 13 21:55:16 r2d2rogers: except we don't have a login password.. ;) Jan 13 21:55:22 hmmmm Jan 13 21:55:23 wazd: check the screenshots =) Jan 13 21:55:34 well, then it's rather unpossible i think Jan 13 21:55:59 Stskeeps, is hackzoring gnome-keyring a option? :) Jan 13 21:56:10 qwerty12_N800: gconf is a way too Jan 13 21:56:22 RST38h: I know what's Motif :) Jan 13 21:56:50 RST38h: Well, that's really not the best example of using gray color) Jan 13 21:57:04 gconf worked well in deblet with gksu being anal retentive, is there a option in gconf for -keyring? Jan 13 22:00:02 * qwerty12_N800 needs keeps reminding himself to gtfo maemo-users Jan 13 22:05:09 * Stskeeps notes cutting internet connection when X dies is not cool. Jan 13 22:06:06 Is that what happens with networkmangler? Jan 13 22:06:31 i don't like NM but we dont have ICD, so Jan 13 22:07:15 you can set it to be system wide, then it does some daemon-y thing Jan 13 22:07:30 and ICD would be awesome...if it wasn't closed source. yay Nokia! Jan 13 22:08:45 * qwerty12_N800 wishes that they would. at least, open icd1. in some respects, it performed better than icd2. Jan 13 22:09:51 *g* I think ICD2 is souch a bad codebase they dont want to show it Jan 13 22:10:32 lulz...I'll write my own based on zenity and wirelesstools Jan 13 22:10:57 disturbingly I can picture how it would work O_o Jan 13 22:11:13 yeah, better than nm :) Jan 13 22:13:22 maybe a python statusbar applet to control it... Jan 13 22:13:39 needs like 6 .png icons and a dropdown menu Jan 13 22:16:29 gahhhh i could really do with kot Jan 13 22:16:58 ifup/down with guessnet and wpa_supplicant rockz Jan 13 22:18:42 ~summon KotCzarny for lcuk Jan 13 22:18:43 apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing KotCzarny for lcuk's coordinates Jan 13 22:21:40 :) if only. hes the only person so far thats had his head deep enough into the code that we can discuss technicalities and get a decent response :) Jan 13 22:22:12 isn't he still around on freenode? Jan 13 22:22:13 do nokia have helicopter gunships and extraction teams? Jan 13 22:22:23 lol Jan 13 22:22:45 qwerty, he went home to poland, there was a lady involved i think :) Jan 13 22:23:23 :) Jan 13 22:23:26 lcuk, left freenode for poland? Jan 13 22:23:30 lol Jan 13 22:23:37 does poland have fewer netsplits? Jan 13 22:23:51 poland has vodka :p Jan 13 22:24:14 * johnx settles for good kirin beer and freenode/#maemo :) Jan 13 22:28:04 are there multiple passwords to sipphone accounts? Jan 13 22:28:07 my web password isn't working on my ATA Jan 13 22:33:57 Good morning. Jan 13 22:34:04 ... or some other time of day. Jan 13 22:34:29 Evening. Jan 13 22:35:34 night) Jan 13 22:35:39 wazd: sorry, I'm with RST38h - I think Titan looks a bit too Windows 3.1ish, and doesn't fit with the coolness of the mer logo/background/loading screen Jan 13 22:36:00 wazd: was my choice to take in titan :) Jan 13 22:36:08 as it was first and best theme that actually worked fully Jan 13 22:36:15 but yes, there might be a replacement Jan 13 22:36:29 Plankton's open source, isn't it? Or does it not work in the fremantle hildon-desktop? Jan 13 22:36:39 anyone have a gizmo account? Jan 13 22:36:43 Jaffa: plankton is plankton.. Jan 13 22:37:49 but yes, it's open source and all, but definately fitting worse into the artwork than titan ;) Jan 13 22:38:31 Personally, I think http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/374514916/ looks better than Titan; but dunno how well it'll work with your compositing stuff. Jan 13 22:38:41 Making any headway on the i18n issue, btw? Jan 13 22:38:58 sitting and looking on it Jan 13 22:39:23 cool Jan 13 22:39:40 Jaffa: the problem is really - some locales work Jan 13 22:39:44 and majority doesn't Jan 13 22:40:13 any way to show the password in the voip accounts? Jan 13 22:41:35 ping Jan 13 22:41:43 is there a page that talks about F key mapping in maemo? Jan 13 22:42:05 timeless: i.e. full screen = F6, home = F5 etc? Jan 13 22:42:17 yes Jan 13 22:42:21 Jaffa: I was thinking to make Mer theme Jan 13 22:42:28 wazd: cool Jan 13 22:42:38 timeless: I'm sure it's in one of the official docs under maemo.org Jan 13 22:42:38 Jaffa: Titan is temporary I suppose Jan 13 22:42:41 http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howto-setupkeyboard/ Jan 13 22:42:48 is something that comes up Jan 13 22:42:53 but calling that 'official' is um... Jan 13 22:43:47 http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf Jan 13 22:43:55 a pdf is not what i'd call useful documentation Jan 13 22:43:59 Jaffa: Never knew that Titan looks like win 3.1... Everybody says (and it was concerned to be) pretty modern sleek theme Jan 13 22:44:01 its perfect Jan 13 22:44:24 timeless: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_bora_3-x_tutorial/#user_content_Hardware-keys Jan 13 22:44:49 bora? Jan 13 22:44:51 .... Jan 13 22:44:59 timeless: I know. Finding official Maemo documentation is a nightmare since someone had the "bright" idea of making them all PDFs with no HTML equivalent. Jan 13 22:45:02 *user content* ? Jan 13 22:45:28 wazd: Just my IMHO. I know some people like it, and that's absolutely fine. Just not my cup of tea, I'm afraid. Jan 13 22:46:04 themes are user customizable for a reason, you will never ever have a one size fits all Jan 13 22:46:08 timeless: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch02s03.html is a handy chart Jan 13 22:46:12 lcuk: absolutely Jan 13 22:46:14 Jaffa: btw wazd is a bit touchy about any of his stuff being compared with windows ;) Jan 13 22:46:28 (today) Jan 13 22:46:31 Stskeeps: OK, how about it's very OS/2 Warpey? ;-) Jan 13 22:46:31 heh Jan 13 22:46:48 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer/ <- look at post 10, click in post 11 Jan 13 22:47:32 heh wazd and microsoft up a tree Jan 13 22:47:48 Stskeeps: indeed, was here earlier :) Jan 13 22:47:52 Jaffa: true :) Jan 13 22:48:07 but being perfectly honest :: wow at his simple lines :) Jan 13 22:48:09 stskeeps: thats not a problem with MS, I'm just kidding Jan 13 22:48:17 wazd: hehe, i'm kidding too :> Jan 13 22:48:35 stskeeps: I've just got in a real bad situation with that copycat wallpaper Jan 13 22:48:37 hi Jan 13 22:48:43 anyone change their gizmo password before? does it take a long time for the account to start working again? Jan 13 22:49:50 wazd, of course you have but how else can you show underwater scenes Jan 13 22:50:05 lcuk: pitch black! Jan 13 22:50:50 (which was the uncreative first background of mer) Jan 13 22:52:47 Jaffa: okay, so, the problem is that the locale strings are not there at all Jan 13 22:52:55 previous versions had them Jan 13 22:53:04 in the fremantle pre-alpha SDK packages Jan 13 22:53:18 there are -some-, but definately not all Jan 13 22:54:29 Ah, translation teams will be late in the plan. Jan 13 22:54:40 Jaffa: not even engineering english is there though Jan 13 22:54:45 and the strings used to be there Jan 13 22:55:31 * Stskeeps ponders hotpatching maemo-af-desktop just so it stops saying home_ap_home_view Jan 13 22:55:36 Stskeeps, its not a big deal as long as we document it as we notice them Jan 13 22:56:38 Is there a basic heuristic for >50% of the time turning the key into something sensible enough? Jan 13 22:56:45 Jaffa: google for key Jan 13 22:56:57 (i'm not kidding) Jan 13 22:57:48 (try google sfil_li_modified_today) Jan 13 22:58:51 with filetype:po Jan 13 23:00:52 anyhow. i actually anticipated this - if anyone wants to join in and add some strings, there's a mer-translations group on launchpad. Jan 13 23:01:16 it's pretty obvious to figure out what to add to the .po files when you google, and which branch to check out Jan 13 23:01:55 Any further missing ones could be filled in with something like: s/^.*?_\w\w_(.*)/$1/; then _ -> ' ' and capitalise every word. Jan 13 23:02:17 Stskeeps: ah, so they exist in maemo svn not just any of the packages yet? Jan 13 23:02:24 Jaffa: they exist in older versions Jan 13 23:02:34 i have utterly no idea why they're no part of the new .po's Jan 13 23:02:37 +t Jan 13 23:05:30 let's take home_ap_home_view as example. it's not there for some silly reason. google home_ap_home_view filetype:po , it suggests it's maemo-af-desktop-l10n , so you 'bzr branch lp:~mer-translations/m-r/maemo-af-desktop-i10n' add in the 3 lines of translation from your google match, bzr commit with a commit message, bzr push Jan 13 23:06:02 or, we ask nokia where they went, which could take a while, instead of a couple of hours of work of the immediate things we can see are missing Jan 13 23:09:23 Fairly drudgerous work, tho' Jan 13 23:09:32 yeah Jan 13 23:09:48 think i'll file a bug and see what they say Jan 13 23:10:15 +1 :) seems like a sensible option Jan 13 23:10:52 fixed in fremantle / wait for the production release :p Jan 13 23:11:05 qwerty12_N800: that'd send me into a raging fit Jan 13 23:11:47 hehe Jan 13 23:13:00 it would be cool if the gettext "id's" looked pretty "normal" Jan 13 23:13:09 i think it's okay they stand out Jan 13 23:13:16 forces the developer to do something about it Jan 13 23:14:36 Stskeeps: what font are you using in your screenshots at the moment? Jan 13 23:14:52 Jaffa: i'm actually not sure Jan 13 23:14:55 it's not nokia, for certain Jan 13 23:15:12 hello Jan 13 23:15:13 The Android ones look pretty sweet and have a compatible licence, FWIW Jan 13 23:15:25 yeah, but are they compatible with X? :P Jan 13 23:15:30 They're just TTFs Jan 13 23:15:31 how do I install soappy into maemo? Jan 13 23:15:59 Stskeeps: I use 'Droid Sans' in Notes in diablo as a nicer font (and maybe even Droid Sans Mono in Terminal, I forget) Jan 13 23:16:53 Stskeeps, We're probably using fonts derived from the Vera Bitstream collection Jan 13 23:17:47 Bingo: http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender Jan 13 23:18:21 damnit, i didn't hit bug 4000 Jan 13 23:18:24 ...and the git versions (including ttf binaries) http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree;f=data/fonts Jan 13 23:18:24 4001 :/ Jan 13 23:18:51 Stskeeps, don't worry. There's always 5000 ;) Jan 13 23:19:09 qwerty12_N800: betcha #5000 will be resolved "fixed in harmattan" ;-) Jan 13 23:19:32 lol Jan 13 23:19:49 wtf Jan 13 23:20:02 my Mer actually discovers my two machines in file chooser Jan 13 23:20:03 jaffa: is that a good thing? Jan 13 23:20:14 that we only get 1000 bugs between today and harmattan's release? Jan 13 23:20:26 Fremantle seems, to me, to be the "Oh shit!" release. I wonder what Harmattan will be like :) Jan 13 23:20:49 did you paste the string i mentioned into the top field? Jan 13 23:20:54 oops, wrong window Jan 13 23:20:57 timeless: No, only 1000 bugs between today and when bugs are only dealt with in a release which is still ~6 months away ;-) Jan 13 23:21:03 whos gonna be the first to pitch up a tent in Fremantle WA ? Jan 13 23:21:22 lcuk: next summit, eh? Jan 13 23:21:28 would be nice :) Jan 13 23:21:31 qwerty12_N800: "oh shit, everyone's UI's better than us" or "oh shit, we need to rejig some things" or "oh shit, we haven't released something for a while, better do something"? ;-) Jan 13 23:22:08 should we start naming apps after attractions in the area ;) Jan 13 23:22:26 Jaffa, I choose 2) :) Jan 13 23:24:32 * Jaffa would like to hope it's 1 *and* 2. And that the Fremantle UI'll get us further away from desktop computer metaphors which just don't work on a device this size. Jan 13 23:26:34 huh? WA as in Washington State, USA? Jan 13 23:26:42 western australia? :P Jan 13 23:27:38 ah, sad, yeah it's OZ Jan 13 23:28:09 johnx: saw the explanation for home_ap_home_view? Jan 13 23:28:38 Stskeeps, we don't localizations (a .po file) that works with it right now? Jan 13 23:28:56 johnx: more like we have the .po files but they are missing some things :) Jan 13 23:29:09 some things are there but some are not - some that -used- to be there Jan 13 23:29:13 ah, I assume Nokia is working on some new translations? Jan 13 23:29:23 i guess Jan 13 23:29:27 but english translations? :P Jan 13 23:29:35 well, for now we can release for people who speak gettext Jan 13 23:29:40 true Jan 13 23:30:06 * Stskeeps notes to himself NM isn't that stable at connections and ponders what it was he fixed in deblet Jan 13 23:30:07 Gettext version: download link - US English: coming soon Jan 13 23:30:10 http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/0901/ad/c84bde26b6a2.jpg Jan 13 23:30:51 johnx, en_GB version: download link - English: coming soon :p Jan 13 23:31:01 wazd: any particular reason for the big white stripe? Jan 13 23:31:04 wazd, i like it. I'm not sure about the bubbles though Jan 13 23:31:32 wazd: Nice. I always get concerned about relatively large edges/changes in wallpaper backgrounds. Although, I suppose the coral, the white light and the bubbles could be more subdued in the wallpaper version Jan 13 23:31:40 wazd: looks great though, like all your work :) Jan 13 23:32:13 johnx: did you try out the new rescue menu yet? :> Jan 13 23:32:43 not yet, still finishing off f-b-w and h-d-e after some interruptions :) Jan 13 23:32:47 hehe Jan 13 23:33:17 i'll take a look at hildon-icons then Jan 13 23:33:19 well, white stripe is kinda ray of light :) Jan 13 23:33:29 maybe it's too bright Jan 13 23:33:39 wazd: works on a startup screen, I think. Jan 13 23:34:28 It still needs a lot of light'n'shadow work so it's just fyi :) Jan 13 23:42:59 But I still think that Mer should leave current wallpaper as default Jan 13 23:43:28 I bet that there are thousands more such pics and photos, so what Jan 13 23:43:36 wazd, I agree Jan 13 23:43:55 wazd: I think there should be a shiny mer start-up screen, a shiny mer wallpaper (the default if any nokia-provided wallpaper is currently selected, say) and a shiny mer theme Jan 13 23:44:06 wazd, I know I've seen wallpapers similar to that one for quite a long time Jan 13 23:44:08 Yep, thats pretty confusing for me, but whatever, it's great wallpaper anyway Jan 13 23:44:29 s/shiny/cool/ to avoid any confusion :) Jan 13 23:44:54 Cause corals are really bad stuff for wallpaper Jan 13 23:45:03 much detail noise Jan 13 23:45:17 wazd: agreed 100%. But if it was faded out to be more subtle, it might work Jan 13 23:45:28 And if I remove corals, then (It's magic!) it appears to be Win 7 Jan 13 23:45:54 Howdy. Jan 13 23:46:44 Life was so great without Win 7 :) Jan 13 23:46:54 hello there Jan 13 23:46:58 Without? Jan 13 23:47:01 Hello, wazd. Jan 13 23:47:02 yep Jan 13 23:47:06 w7 is quite nice Jan 13 23:47:11 Why? Jan 13 23:47:13 tehforum, they foojacked his wallpaper idea Jan 13 23:47:56 I haven't used torrents to download it yet, because the download speeds were crappy from the ms servers Jan 13 23:48:14 Anyway, I should bed since the kids(!) are asleep Jan 13 23:48:18 understandable really with 3gb file, thousands of people wanting it at any given time Jan 13 23:48:28 But, what is the wallpaper idea? Jan 13 23:48:43 tehforum: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/repos-a-la-mer/#comments Jan 13 23:49:06 Jaffa: aw, I forgot to congratulate you :) Jan 13 23:49:15 wazd: no probs; thanks :-) Jan 13 23:49:26 Jaffa: hope they doesn't look like win7 xD Jan 13 23:49:43 Jaffa, glad to hear everything went so smoothly that the kids are even willing to sleep :) Jan 13 23:50:03 Someone fill me in? :p Jan 13 23:50:10 wazd: nah, just each other (http://tinyurl.com/kathrynflegg <-- proud father :-)) Jan 13 23:50:40 'Gratz! Jan 13 23:50:55 ta Jan 13 23:50:57 Anyway, g'night Jan 13 23:51:04 Good night Jan 13 23:51:10 you're from England? Jan 13 23:51:11 Jaffa: superqute :) Jan 13 23:51:25 Jaffa: gnite Jan 13 23:51:27 tehforum: aye Jan 13 23:51:33 Same :) Jan 13 23:52:01 Quite a few of us are. Some of us are proper Brits from up north too :) Jan 13 23:52:16 From north Jan 13 23:52:22 How about the center? Jan 13 23:52:36 * Jaffa 's in the centre atm. Jan 13 23:52:57 North? Nah, it's all about the South :p Jan 13 23:53:11 North vs Center vs South Jan 13 23:53:17 Bring it on :p Jan 13 23:53:29 /ignore birmingham Jan 13 23:53:34 Boo. Jan 13 23:53:37 hehe Jan 13 23:53:39 * Jaffa is from the north (nr. Manchester), lives in the centre (Rugby) and works in the south (London) Jan 13 23:54:02 You'll have to beat yourself up in that case Jan 13 23:54:21 * Jaffa applies the NP-complete Travelling Salesman problem to his life. I'll go offline for a non-polynomial amount of time to compute it. Jan 13 23:55:27 There's a maemo uk channel I think Jan 13 23:55:31 maemo-uk? Jan 13 23:57:42 Why is it that when you switch from an mplayer window to something else it just "freezes" Jan 13 23:58:07 and you have to click on the three green one blue square thing to get rid of the "freezing" Jan 13 23:58:45 tehforum, mplayers uses neat hacks to get the display updates as fast as possible Jan 14 00:00:43 Twas fast Jan 14 00:00:49 Thank you, johnx Jan 14 00:00:52 johnx: we so need dsme-tools and the wifi power saver.. Jan 14 00:00:58 can feel my tablet getting hot Jan 14 00:01:17 heh...my "new charger" barely keeps up with battery drain in mer right now Jan 14 00:01:22 Is there anyway that I could see the gmplauncher window switching from a video? Jan 14 00:05:11 Stskeeps, ok, just submitted h-d-e and f-b-w to builder. don't care if they even build right now, just need sleep. Jan 14 00:05:13 'night Jan 14 00:05:25 nini Jan 14 00:05:26 <- moved to London time O_o Jan 14 00:05:39 nite sts Jan 14 00:06:25 can somebody explain how to setup tablet -> desktop ssh connection?) Jan 14 00:06:46 I've installed openssh to the tablet and can't locate it Jan 14 00:09:07 What are peoples wpm's on their n810 keyboard, or n800 touch? Jan 14 00:09:16 I say I'm pretty fast after a year of use Jan 14 00:09:23 Using proper capitalization Jan 14 00:09:31 Amd all that other stuff Jan 14 00:09:31 :p Jan 14 00:10:08 .. Jan 14 00:10:10 brb Jan 14 00:11:16 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26157&highlight=ssh Jan 14 00:11:24 ssh from tablet to linux bos? Jan 14 00:11:26 box. Jan 14 00:11:31 Would that help? Jan 14 00:22:13 wazd: regarding mer theme, we could maybe draw inspiration from modern "smartphone" uis, .. what thoughts do you have on this topic? Jan 14 00:30:25 back for a while Jan 14 00:30:40 tehforum: thanks, I'll check it Jan 14 00:30:42 hehe.. im prolly going to bed soon. actually. already there :P Jan 14 00:31:50 Stskeeps: well, right now I haven't got any specific ideas bout theme, but I think I can still make something unique :) Jan 14 00:31:59 alright :) Jan 14 00:35:13 And as for wallpaper: if somebody thinks that I'm such a dumbass that I'll consciously copycat windows wallpaper and claim that I did it on my own, well, bad for him :) Jan 14 00:37:03 wazd :D Jan 14 00:37:41 I actually can't even google it in descent resolution) Jan 14 00:38:29 hah Jan 14 00:39:13 wazd, here you go, i found one http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mer_9.jpg?w=800&h=480 Jan 14 00:40:58 lcuk: bastard :) Jan 14 00:41:11 * lcuk tips his hat Jan 14 00:41:18 http://viennaos.net/uploads/posts/2008-12/1228820445_1-.png Jan 14 00:41:20 you want a beer Jan 14 00:41:41 I already got mine :) Jan 14 00:41:49 cool, you did more to mer ;) Jan 14 00:42:21 Well, microsoft has very special point of view at how water looks :) Jan 14 00:43:11 i personally feel the brightness is too great on any of these images Jan 14 00:43:25 i dont like having hotspots in backgrounds Jan 14 00:43:31 it draws the eye Jan 14 00:43:32 http://viennaos.net/uploads/posts/2008-10/1225266118_01.jpg <- here it is Jan 14 00:44:05 lcuk: yep, hete them too Jan 14 00:44:13 havign said that ive got a massive image of earth on mine at the moment Jan 14 00:44:13 hate Jan 14 00:44:27 * Stskeeps notes to himself that the nokia hands logo is creepy Jan 14 00:45:06 * qwerty12_N800 coughs & points towards Benson's mod... Jan 14 00:45:14 http://rolandvb.topcities.com/Weather/image65.htm Jan 14 00:45:35 lcuk: nice :) Jan 14 00:47:25 Stskeeps: have you implemented my loading screen for Mer? Jan 14 00:48:16 gah! ive implemented font caching at the wrong level Jan 14 00:49:39 the font object returned from the cache holds the name and size and specific render scale, a user app shouldnt have to know its rendering at scale 0.2 of a 12 point font Jan 14 00:49:48 :'( Jan 14 00:50:00 (font scaling is new but required) Jan 14 00:50:13 wazd: i implemented the rescue menu, and the splash screen is your wallpaper + the logo Jan 14 00:52:12 Stskeeps: you didn't like "loading..." image?) Jan 14 00:52:56 sec Jan 14 00:55:22 wazd: it's basically the splash screen at here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPP2BGsY4BM , but with white line instead, and with the wallpaper one + logo Jan 14 00:56:38 this logo: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-logo.jpg Jan 14 00:56:42 works quite well actually Jan 14 00:59:46 Stskeeps: I was posting http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0901/36/72caee1ee4ea.jpg image, but whatever) Jan 14 01:00:22 yeah - that might come in handy for one of the places though Jan 14 01:00:31 like the first boot wizard Jan 14 01:02:50 Stskeeps: nice :) Jan 14 01:03:48 Stskeeps: what's the current mer tar.gz rootstrap mirror?, i'll be adding it to the updated installer. Jan 14 01:05:04 b-man: i'm generating a new one atm but the new one will be 0.6 Jan 14 01:05:15 but we miss a few things before that is 100% done Jan 14 01:05:26 k Jan 14 01:05:49 we have network-manager working, which helps a lot :P Jan 14 01:06:07 sweet :) Jan 14 01:06:31 anyhow Jan 14 01:06:33 bedtime Jan 14 01:06:43 gnite Stskeeps Jan 14 01:07:02 g'night lcuk Jan 14 01:07:22 edit: stskeeps Jan 14 01:07:28 sorry :p Jan 14 01:09:35 * b-man gos back to tweeking/debugging installer Jan 14 01:49:41 is there a way to get man on maemo Jan 14 01:51:15 ~maemo-man Jan 14 01:51:16 somebody said maemo-man was http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/ Jan 14 01:55:52 thanks Jan 14 02:04:17 and maemo-man for n80 ? Jan 14 02:04:21 n8*0 ? Jan 14 02:17:50 johnx: whit cfdisk, etx3 is number 83 ? Jan 14 02:18:38 whit cfdisk, etx3 is number 83 ? Jan 14 02:18:47 qwerty12_N800, nice, didn't notice MyPaint in Extras. Jan 14 02:33:46 TheFatal, what are you trying to do Jan 14 02:38:14 Are someone online ?? Jan 14 02:41:59 :-$ Jan 14 02:44:59 :-/ Jan 14 02:45:05 TheFatal I guess is pretty late in europe Jan 14 02:47:32 I have no idea what times in europe Jan 14 02:47:52 6 hours from ny Jan 14 02:47:57 5 in uk Jan 14 02:48:00 more or less Jan 14 02:48:12 :) Jan 14 02:48:21 TheFatal_, a couple hours ahead of Argentina. Jan 14 02:49:32 So if here are 1 am, there ... Mmm... 5 am? Jan 14 02:52:02 Ok, then probably i'll make an experiment Jan 14 02:52:05 see u later Jan 14 02:57:36 People wonder why Nokia does poorly in the States Jan 14 02:57:43 You can't buy their freaking phones. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 14 02:59:57 2009