**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 16 02:59:57 2009
Jan 16 03:30:40 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody else see Glaubert's mockup?
Jan 16 03:30:52 <GeneralAntilles> Who the hell decided that fixed-width that tight was appropriate.
Jan 16 03:31:16 <LopLiii> Hahhaa inflexibility is never good
Jan 16 03:31:23 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jan 16 03:31:30 <GeneralAntilles> Which I tried to argue when the discussion first came up
Jan 16 03:31:33 <GeneralAntilles> and was shot down.
Jan 16 03:31:39 <GeneralAntilles> It's gonna screw up a lot of the pages on the wiki.
Jan 16 03:31:41 <LopLiii> whoop
Jan 16 03:41:08 <TheFatal> can i set a ftp server in N8*0 ?
Jan 16 03:43:28 <LopLiii> yes you can
Jan 16 03:56:40 <Ipndrmath> Hope this is the right place: I've done some searching with no success. Can I set up the chat program on the n810 to send and receive sms. I know that gtalk can do it, but setting it up has been problemaic.
Jan 16 04:12:18 <TrueJournals> Ipndrmath: +1xxxyyyzzzz@sms.talk.google.com
Jan 16 04:12:35 <TrueJournals> It will show up as unauthorized, but you can still send and recieve sms messages
Jan 16 04:13:34 <Ipndrmath> thanks. I'll give it a try.
Jan 16 04:24:21 <Ipndrmath> TrueJournals: Hmm... that didn't seem to work. I put that as the im, yes?
Jan 16 06:04:44 <pupnik_> So alan greenspan goes into a pizza hut.  He orders a medium peperroni to go.  Boy behind the counter asks 'do you want that cut into 6 slices or 8?  Alan says "Eight, i'm feeling very hungry today"
Jan 16 06:08:31 <solmumaha> morning
Jan 16 06:12:10 <pupnik_> moinin
Jan 16 06:14:02 <RST38h> ehlo
Jan 16 06:18:13 <wazd> morning all
Jan 16 06:19:14 <wazd> RST38h: I'm about to finish Nes icon :)
Jan 16 06:46:25 <RST38h> wazd: moo!
Jan 16 06:46:56 <RST38h> wazd: GBA one is pretty decent, much better than I can ever hope to draw myself =)
Jan 16 06:59:07 <wazd> RST38h: it's not so hard as it looks :) You sure can draw like that, you'll just take a bit bore time)
Jan 16 06:59:45 <wazd> RST38h: there is nothing magical in outlining photos :)
Jan 16 08:24:01 <wazd> RST38h: ok, NES has gone to your e-mail :)
Jan 16 08:36:31 <Meiz_n810> http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/statusbar1.png
Jan 16 08:36:34 <Meiz_n810> http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/statusbar2.png
Jan 16 08:36:36 <Meiz_n810> http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/statusbar3.png
Jan 16 08:37:13 * Stskeeps looks
Jan 16 08:37:30 <wazd> woo
Jan 16 08:38:30 <wazd> poor titan is blown to hell :)
Jan 16 08:38:39 <Meiz_n810> heh
Jan 16 08:39:09 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: quite interesting - how did you do it?
Jan 16 08:39:40 <Meiz_n810> some changes to ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf
Jan 16 08:40:26 <Meiz_n810> and statusbar.conf too
Jan 16 08:41:20 <Stskeeps> good, so within realm of hildon-desktop-layout package then
Jan 16 08:43:18 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: good job :)
Jan 16 08:44:39 <Meiz_n810> thanks :) it's interesting to see how  much hildon can be modified :)
Jan 16 08:45:52 <Stskeeps> its quite flexible
Jan 16 08:49:53 <kynde> has anyone ported IPsec to maemo? e.g. strongswan?
Jan 16 09:03:34 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: ping
Jan 16 09:10:23 * Stskeeps ponders if he should bother taking frank.wagner's troll bait
Jan 16 09:20:02 <Stskeeps> heh, now that's a shot to the bow of people wanting to bitch about Windows not doing ODF and such..
Jan 16 09:20:09 <Stskeeps> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/3192316351_fa105d3a48_o.png
Jan 16 09:28:02 <gnuton> Hi there
Jan 16 09:28:06 <gnuton> X-Fade: ping
Jan 16 09:28:17 <X-Fade> pong
Jan 16 09:28:22 <gnuton> X-Fade: Hello :D
Jan 16 09:28:42 <gnuton> X-Fade: I uploaded qt 4.4.3 tarball last night
Jan 16 09:29:05 <gnuton> X-Fade: And this morning I've uploaded the diff.gz and .dsc
Jan 16 09:29:29 <gnuton> X-Fade: But I can't see anything on https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/
Jan 16 09:29:36 <gnuton> X-Fade: any hints?
Jan 16 09:30:52 <gnuton> I uploaded the .dsc and .diff. some hours ago
Jan 16 09:31:38 <X-Fade> gnuton: checking..
Jan 16 09:31:52 <gnuton> X-Fade: k
Jan 16 09:32:00 <X-Fade> gnuton: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php :)
Jan 16 09:32:09 <X-Fade> It is still in the build queue..
Jan 16 09:32:30 <X-Fade> gnuton: You can see the packages that are waiting there..
Jan 16 09:33:07 <gnuton> Ok, thank you! :D
Jan 16 09:33:21 <gnuton> So I need to wait
Jan 16 09:33:38 <gnuton> X-Fade: Have a nice day.. and good work.
Jan 16 09:33:55 <X-Fade> gnuton: Hmm but there are no other packages building atm.
Jan 16 09:34:48 <gnuton> X-Fade: So? What I need to do?
Jan 16 09:35:13 <gnuton> Do I need to upload the sources again?
Jan 16 09:35:42 <X-Fade> gnuton: Let me check. The md5sums look op..
Jan 16 09:35:59 <gnuton> X-Fade: k
Jan 16 09:41:28 <X-Fade> gnuton: Found it. The tarball has wrong permissions. 600
Jan 16 09:42:32 <X-Fade> gnuton: Group didn't have +r, I changed that now.
Jan 16 09:42:40 <X-Fade> Let's see if that helps.
Jan 16 09:42:53 <gnuton> X-Fade: Ok. So that's not a issue due to me.
Jan 16 09:43:08 <X-Fade> gnuton: How did you upload the files?
Jan 16 09:43:25 <gnuton> X-Fade: i uses scp
Jan 16 09:43:29 <gnuton> used
Jan 16 09:43:46 <X-Fade> gnuton: Then you need to make sure that you set the rights properly on your local file.
Jan 16 09:44:43 <X-Fade> gnuton: I guess the orig tarball has only rw for user at your end?
Jan 16 09:45:28 <gnuton> -rw-------   1 gnuton gnuton 108M Jan 11 12:37 qt4-x11_4.4.3.orig.tar.gz
Jan 16 09:45:40 <gnuton> that's true.
Jan 16 09:46:57 <X-Fade> It is building now.
Jan 16 09:47:17 <gnuton> X-Fade: thank you :D
Jan 16 09:48:13 <solmumaha> maybe builder should sanitize the permissions before trying to extract
Jan 16 09:48:50 <X-Fade> solmumaha: md5sum failed because it runs as an unprivileged user..
Jan 16 09:49:49 <X-Fade> I can run a script in cron to set perms. Although that is a bit ugly :)
Jan 16 09:50:01 <X-Fade> I think dput sets rights the right way.
Jan 16 09:50:17 <X-Fade> It is only direct scp that can trigger this.
Jan 16 09:50:31 <solmumaha> well, i still think it should be fixed at your end :)
Jan 16 09:50:52 <X-Fade> solmumaha: I think that is the only solution.
Jan 16 09:51:42 <GeneralAntilles> I think we should throw small bits of rubbish at X-Fade until it work correctly. :P
Jan 16 09:51:46 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, pong.
Jan 16 09:51:57 <Stskeeps> morning GA
Jan 16 09:52:04 * GeneralAntilles shivers.
Jan 16 09:52:09 <GeneralAntilles> It got cold last night. :(
Jan 16 09:52:11 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I'm with you on your design issues..
Jan 16 09:52:30 <solmumaha> GeneralAntilles: define cold
Jan 16 09:52:44 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: The content part is getting rediculously small.
Jan 16 09:53:06 <GeneralAntilles> solmumaha, I'm a weak Florida boy, it's in the low 30s outside (°F), but 57° in here right now.
Jan 16 09:54:18 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, I wasn't satisfied with the way the fixed/variable discussion ended.
Jan 16 09:54:40 <X-Fade> I think we need to go to a fixed sidebar, fluid content layout.
Jan 16 09:54:47 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure why at least a little variability is so bad.
Jan 16 09:55:02 <GeneralAntilles> Set a max-width and a min-width at either end to keep things from breaking.
Jan 16 09:55:03 <GeneralAntilles> Easy
Jan 16 09:55:05 <X-Fade> Min-width of the total page 780px, and scale up..
Jan 16 09:55:40 <X-Fade> Sidebar has no content that needs to grow.
Jan 16 09:55:50 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, fixed for that sounds good.
Jan 16 09:57:53 <X-Fade> I'm sure I can code up that idea without much changes from a fixed width one.
Jan 16 09:58:13 <GeneralAntilles> Nothing needs to be changed in the navbar
Jan 16 09:58:22 <X-Fade> But apart from that, the sidebar in these mockups just looks too wide.
Jan 16 09:58:29 <GeneralAntilles> So it's just changing some size parameters on the content.
Jan 16 09:59:11 <GeneralAntilles> The text rendering on these mockups makes my eyes bleed.
Jan 16 09:59:28 <solmumaha> link?
Jan 16 09:59:32 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/images/a/aa/Standard_Page.png
Jan 16 10:00:08 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: And things like planet and downloads don't look innovative to me?
Jan 16 10:01:18 <GeneralAntilles> I'd lop about 25% off the sidebar
Jan 16 10:01:44 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: It is this wide because it aligns with the searchbox and login form.
Jan 16 10:01:53 <X-Fade> But yeah, too wid.
Jan 16 10:01:58 <X-Fade> *wide
Jan 16 10:02:21 <GeneralAntilles> The giant subscriptions box has to go on Planet.
Jan 16 10:05:38 <GeneralAntilles> Debian has a long list along the right
Jan 16 10:05:51 <GeneralAntilles> GNOME has a big AJAX list down at the very bottom.
Jan 16 10:09:07 <Meiz_n810> http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepanel.png
Jan 16 10:09:09 <Meiz_n810> http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepane2.png
Jan 16 10:09:18 <X-Fade> Well, we have some content to add to the sidebar if needed. But it shouldn't need to be more than 150 or 200px wide..
Jan 16 10:09:26 <Meiz_n810> this time fun with marquee-plugins
Jan 16 10:10:03 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, at worst, it can always linebreak, no?
Jan 16 10:10:08 <GeneralAntilles> 'morning, lardman.
Jan 16 10:10:19 <lardman> hmm, /me sees people just noticing that Nokia are working on the next gen tablet on maemo-users!
Jan 16 10:10:25 <lardman> hey GeneralAntilles
Jan 16 10:10:40 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Sure, it all depends on the longest word we use ;)
Jan 16 10:10:50 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, -developers too. O_o
Jan 16 10:11:31 <wazd> screw the sidebar :)
Jan 16 10:11:47 <X-Fade> wazd: Well, that is also an option..
Jan 16 10:11:54 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, if we get to have a Antidisestablishmentarianism entry, then the whole site might just implode.
Jan 16 10:12:17 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: overflow: hide ;)
Jan 16 10:12:26 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 16 10:12:46 <wazd> And the applets should be 40px in width, but I guess that's not the main problem now :)
Jan 16 10:13:03 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, website sidebar. :P
Jan 16 10:13:51 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: whoops :)
Jan 16 10:14:06 <wazd> whatever :D
Jan 16 10:14:08 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, we should harass Freenode about the cloak again.
Jan 16 10:14:37 <timelyx> you guys have or want a cool cloak?
Jan 16 10:14:41 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Be my gues ;)
Jan 16 10:14:54 <X-Fade> Hmm I really have packetloss on my wireless kb..
Jan 16 10:15:02 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta hunt down kloeri . . . he stopped idling in my other channel.
Jan 16 10:15:15 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, trying to register maemo.org with Freenode.
Jan 16 10:15:25 <GeneralAntilles> Application was sent in about 8 months ago.
Jan 16 10:15:44 <wazd> RST38h: around?
Jan 16 10:16:03 <timelyx> hey
Jan 16 10:16:06 <timelyx> re Standard_Page
Jan 16 10:16:14 <timelyx> can you guys fix the sorting?
Jan 16 10:16:20 <timelyx> G, P, I, E, M
Jan 16 10:16:25 <timelyx> what kind of crazy sort is that?
Jan 16 10:16:37 <timelyx> of them, I is the most important
Jan 16 10:16:55 <wazd> why the hell my widget is not uploading to the nokia website...
Jan 16 10:16:56 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, content isn't indicative of anything in that mockup.
Jan 16 10:17:09 <timelyx> alright
Jan 16 10:17:12 <lardman> anyone Nokia Bluetooth related lurking here?
Jan 16 10:17:28 <timelyx> you want jbh iirc
Jan 16 10:17:40 <lardman> thanks timelyx
Jan 16 10:17:45 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, but, yeah, sorting should be looked at when we get to that stage.
Jan 16 10:18:45 <timelyx> i'd expect he's more likely to be in #bluez
Jan 16 10:19:36 * timelyx cries
Jan 16 10:20:57 * timelyx grumbles
Jan 16 10:21:29 <timelyx> ohloh's js crashed my safari1.x
Jan 16 10:21:39 <GeneralAntilles> Get a real OS.
Jan 16 10:21:52 <lardman> timelyx: no, not in there either
Jan 16 10:22:08 <lardman> timelyx: not to worry, I'll submit a bug
Jan 16 10:22:36 <timelyx> http://www.ohloh.net/p/bluez/contributors/19215683690006
Jan 16 10:22:45 <timelyx> that's the guy i'm talking about fwiw
Jan 16 10:23:24 <lardman> cool, thanks :)
Jan 16 10:23:37 <timelyx> i'm not certain about his irc handle
Jan 16 10:23:49 <timelyx> 99% certain it's 3 letters and which the first and last are :)
Jan 16 10:23:57 <lardman> jhe?
Jan 16 10:24:13 <lardman> jhe: are you Johan Hedberg?
Jan 16 10:24:35 <GeneralAntilles> NickServ would seem to indicate yes.
Jan 16 10:24:39 <Stskeeps> or just whois :P
Jan 16 10:24:59 <lardman> ah good stuff, never used that before
Jan 16 10:25:04 <lardman> jhe: ping
Jan 16 10:25:05 <timelyx> oops :)
Jan 16 10:25:16 <lardman> timelyx: np, close enough :)
Jan 16 10:25:19 <timelyx>  /whois jhe jhe
Jan 16 10:25:23 <timelyx> says 46min idle
Jan 16 10:25:25 <timelyx> not bad :)
Jan 16 10:25:46 <Stskeeps> a who's who of this channel would occasionally be useful still :P
Jan 16 10:25:59 <lardman> yep that's true, with pictures too
Jan 16 10:26:02 <timelyx> it's been mentioned
Jan 16 10:26:09 <timelyx> it got voted down at one point
Jan 16 10:26:11 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: We have an IRC nick field in maemo.org accounts..
Jan 16 10:26:38 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: yeah, true, but my lookup normally from nickname pov
Jan 16 10:26:41 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: So we could make a page listing all accounts with irc nick field not is null ;)
Jan 16 10:26:43 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 16 10:26:59 <lardman> in which case it would be nice to get a table view of that - name, nick, job, etc
Jan 16 10:28:11 <Meiz_n810> Sts: saw http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepanel.png ?
Jan 16 10:28:34 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: no, but whoa?
Jan 16 10:28:36 <timelyx> Meiz_n810: um
Jan 16 10:28:41 <timelyx> what locale / region is that?
Jan 16 10:28:43 <Meiz_n810> marquee-plugin gave me nice clock :)
Jan 16 10:29:11 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: didn't that mess up horridly? i couldn't get it to compile :)
Jan 16 10:29:16 <timelyx> (hint: i've been whacking the clock people over totally ****ing up fremantle's clock/region stuff)
Jan 16 10:29:36 <timelyx> Meiz_n810: bugs (not in order)
Jan 16 10:29:41 <timelyx> 1. row 6 of 5
Jan 16 10:29:41 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: i installed the ubuntu one
Jan 16 10:29:56 <timelyx> 2. unclickably miniscule arrows
Jan 16 10:30:06 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, row 6 has numbers in it.
Jan 16 10:30:13 <Meiz_n810> timelyx: i'm in finland, no idea how to set up that clock
Jan 16 10:30:20 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: ok.
Jan 16 10:30:28 <Stskeeps> timelyx: think this is a bastard child of marquee-plugins, Mer and hildon-desktop really :)
Jan 16 10:30:30 <timelyx> 3. nearly invisible items for next/prev month
Jan 16 10:30:43 <Stskeeps> timelyx: and the focus is on the marquee, not the calendar :P
Jan 16 10:30:47 <timelyx> 4. year/date should not typically be in the right/left position of a calendar
Jan 16 10:31:01 <timelyx> what's a marquee, other than something worse than <blink> ?
Jan 16 10:31:05 <GeneralAntilles> The world might end if Nokia manages a regression on #303.
Jan 16 10:31:20 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: "meltdown of internal nuclear reactor"?
Jan 16 10:31:29 <timelyx> Meiz_n810: so... seriously, what's your locale/region set for?
Jan 16 10:31:37 <timelyx> is it en-US/en-US, or en-UK/en-UK, or ?
Jan 16 10:31:40 <timelyx> because:
Jan 16 10:31:50 <timelyx> 5. first day of week is probably supposed to be Sun!
Jan 16 10:31:52 <GeneralAntilles> I'm pretty sure all tablets will turn into black holes and suck everything around them in.
Jan 16 10:32:21 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: btw when we say fixed in frem for 303
Jan 16 10:32:25 <timelyx> we mean "not really visibly fixed"
Jan 16 10:32:31 <timelyx> more like "totally broken first impression"
Jan 16 10:32:40 * timelyx spent a few weeks on that
Jan 16 10:32:43 <Meiz_n810> locale in en_GB
Jan 16 10:32:51 <timelyx> but i'm not going to add a comment to that bug
Jan 16 10:33:12 <GeneralAntilles> The comments in that bug will double in about 12 hours if you do.
Jan 16 10:35:06 <timelyx> you could comment "nokia engineers are rightfully scared of public bugs such as this one"
Jan 16 10:35:17 <Meiz_n810> http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepane2.png leafpad... it looks weird how windows are maximized, opening up h-i-m  seemed to crash X
Jan 16 10:35:37 <Corsac> just export a correct LC_TIME?
Jan 16 10:36:00 <timelyx> Corsac: the diablo and older stuff was 'clever'
Jan 16 10:36:11 <timelyx> it had localization strings for strftime
Jan 16 10:36:19 <timelyx> which meant that env vars weren't going to win
Jan 16 10:36:28 <timelyx> the stuff currently for fremantle is um...
Jan 16 10:36:31 <timelyx> also differently clever
Jan 16 10:36:40 <timelyx> it wasn't exporting enough env vars to get proper dates
Jan 16 10:36:48 <timelyx> that's supposed to get fixed RSN
Jan 16 10:36:55 <Corsac> orage clock in xfce panel respects the locale, but you can pass strftime format too
Jan 16 10:36:57 <timelyx> although i think they asked me to confirm the spec lang
Jan 16 10:37:02 <GeneralAntilles> Djesus. Freenode, apparently, has a 16 month group registration queue.
Jan 16 10:37:10 <timelyx> lol
Jan 16 10:37:21 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: it's even less efficient than the danish immigration service. lovely.
Jan 16 10:37:38 <Stskeeps> wazd: seeing Meiz's snapshots?
Jan 16 10:37:46 <timelyx> that reminds me
Jan 16 10:37:51 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Does paying help? :)
Jan 16 10:37:55 <timelyx> quick survey of living souls
Jan 16 10:38:02 <timelyx> SURVEY: what's the first day of your week?
Jan 16 10:38:05 <GeneralAntilles> So I might get 2 or 3 months of cloak if I run again in April.
Jan 16 10:38:07 <timelyx> (mine's Sunday)
Jan 16 10:38:10 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, Sunday.
Jan 16 10:38:11 <Stskeeps> timelyx: monday
Jan 16 10:38:11 <X-Fade> timelyx: Monday.
Jan 16 10:38:28 <Stskeeps> which is the sole reason we have locales
Jan 16 10:38:29 <timelyx> no takers for other days? :(
Jan 16 10:38:39 <Stskeeps> timelyx: i think the adventists have saturday
Jan 16 10:38:42 <Stskeeps> but i'm not sure
Jan 16 10:38:55 <GeneralAntilles> If I start my week on Tuesday, does it mean I get a 3-day weekend?
Jan 16 10:39:22 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, dunno, my supporter cloak expired a little while ago.
Jan 16 10:46:22 <timelyx> oh goody
Jan 16 10:46:26 <timelyx> Starting on Saturday
Jan 16 10:46:30 <timelyx> Swahili[7]
Jan 16 10:46:55 * timelyx is glad to see one group courageous enough not to start the week on sunday/saturday
Jan 16 10:46:59 <timelyx> err
Jan 16 10:47:02 <timelyx> sunday/monday
Jan 16 10:53:35 <wazd> Stskeeps: yep)
Jan 16 11:01:58 <timelyx> oh, back to first day of week
Jan 16 11:02:09 <timelyx> do any of you use a first day of week which disagrees w/ your region
Jan 16 11:04:27 <wazd> timelyx: well, there should be a "guest" option like for timezones
Jan 16 11:05:10 <timelyx> wazd: don't get me started on time zones
Jan 16 11:05:22 * timelyx grumbles at the finn who 'designed' the startup wizard
Jan 16 11:05:25 <timelyx> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle#Enhancement_requests_implemented
Jan 16 11:05:36 <timelyx> could someone explain the '+' near Add "Zooming to x%" messages to Modest ?
Jan 16 11:06:12 * timelyx decides it means there was an internal bug
Jan 16 11:06:40 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, the alias field is non-zero.
Jan 16 11:06:42 <Stskeeps> btw, maemo UI specs (not speaking fremantle, just in general), once the new shiny UI is released, are those specs public?
Jan 16 11:07:10 * timelyx rotlf
Jan 16 11:07:26 <wazd> ohmygod, the Onion movie is super hilarious :)
Jan 16 11:07:41 <timelyx> Stskeeps: start a campaign
Jan 16 11:07:48 <timelyx> there's imo no reason they shouldn't be
Jan 16 11:07:56 <timelyx> however, the default would almost certainly be 'no'
Jan 16 11:08:18 <Stskeeps> timelyx: it's just that people were trying to submit patches to let's say.. modest, and getting replies of it not fitting UI spec
Jan 16 11:08:25 * timelyx nods
Jan 16 11:08:30 <X-Fade> timelyx: I'm not so sure. At the summit there were some discussions about that.
Jan 16 11:08:32 <Stskeeps> not exactly something that contributes to developer willingness :)
Jan 16 11:12:19 * timelyx shrugs
Jan 16 11:12:35 <timelyx> fwiw, given spec length, no one in their right mind would (or does) read it/them
Jan 16 11:12:50 <timelyx> note: i'm not a spokesperson
Jan 16 11:12:56 <timelyx> i know nothing about plans for anything
Jan 16 11:12:58 <timelyx> i could be wrong
Jan 16 11:13:15 <timelyx> otoh, no one would want to read the browser ui spec <period>
Jan 16 11:13:25 <timelyx> i don't think anyone in the browser team has recently
Jan 16 11:13:38 * timelyx read some older versions (maybe from 2.0 or 3.0)
Jan 16 11:13:49 <Stskeeps> i'm just looking forward to tablet-browser-ui going open source again :P
Jan 16 11:13:53 <Stskeeps> personally
Jan 16 11:14:39 * timelyx wonders what it will look like
Jan 16 11:14:40 <timelyx> :)
Jan 16 11:14:44 <timelyx> seriously. i have no idea :)
Jan 16 11:23:16 <Stskeeps> timelyx: yeah.. i guess the old ui was pre-chinook times or something
Jan 16 11:32:25 <X-Fade> Lol, see the  AM broken mail on -users. That RBoS disclaimer is huge..
Jan 16 11:34:53 <timelyx> rbos?
Jan 16 11:35:08 <X-Fade> RBS, sorry. Royal Bank of Scotland.
Jan 16 11:36:15 <X-Fade> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2009-January/036251.html
Jan 16 11:37:10 <X-Fade> "please return the message to the sender by replying to it"
Jan 16 11:39:12 * lardman wonders, while sitting listening to his n810 while programming, if there are rss readers which parse messages and give a warning ping when something interesting appears
Jan 16 11:41:30 <lcuk> i wonder whether there is a way to have an app give overview of RSS but also when clicking headlines if connected to "big daddy" desktop at the time of clicking to actually open the main link up in the desktop window
Jan 16 11:41:59 <lcuk> so the RSS becomes an input device for the desktop :)
Jan 16 11:42:08 <lardman> sounds doable
Jan 16 11:42:14 <lardman> as does my idea
Jan 16 11:42:31 <lcuk> yeah eminently, but what is "interesting" you have subscribed to everything
Jan 16 11:42:40 <lardman> keywords
Jan 16 11:42:42 <lcuk> if you werent interested you wouldnt have subscribed
Jan 16 11:42:49 <lardman> hmm
Jan 16 11:42:58 <lardman> nah, i still think keywords would be good
Jan 16 11:43:25 <lcuk> ahhh subscanning within - have a wilhelm scream everytime a posting by the general posts to the blog :D
Jan 16 11:43:27 <lardman> things like "Nokia", "N810", "plague", "nuclear war declared", that sort of important stuff
Jan 16 11:43:46 <lcuk> bacon
Jan 16 11:43:54 <lardman> +bacon
Jan 16 11:44:00 <lcuk> :D
Jan 16 11:44:26 <lcuk> "miracle landing"
Jan 16 11:45:09 <lcuk> ok, so like you can do with x-chat - highlight extra special postings within the channel you are monitoring
Jan 16 11:48:05 <lcuk> quim mentioned something about haivng the feed reader doing more than just rss, its something ive always wanted to do :: enumerate "today" - show latest stories via rss, but also include localized work tasks and messages (from a database), new emails, new build logs and comments, irc feeds, sketches photos and other stuff which flies under the radar of rss as a specific medium
Jan 16 11:49:09 <lardman> hmm, I'd prefer the desktop was the "app" that did that, and you have various applets to handle the different bits of data
Jan 16 11:49:54 <lcuk> well a feed can be one of numerous types (one is RSS with params, another is from database with params, another is CSV with params etc
Jan 16 11:51:35 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, when can we start tasering people who send emails with stupid disclaimers like that to the list? :P
Jan 16 11:51:41 <lcuk> ie: database,"ccmwork-db/tasksdb","select * from tblTasks where username='gary'"
Jan 16 11:52:22 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: The people can't help it, it is the company lawyers who should be tased.
Jan 16 11:52:25 <lardman> lcuk: well that should be added into the rss feed reader then
Jan 16 11:52:52 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: As if that disclaimer will do any good if you mail your secret to the wrong person..
Jan 16 11:52:56 <lcuk> yeah agreed, the "feed reader" should simply cater for different classes of feeds
Jan 16 11:53:01 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, yeah, I know. :( But maybe when a high enough manager complains about being tased. :P
Jan 16 11:53:39 <lcuk> x-fade speaking of which, what should i do with all these mails you keep sending to me
Jan 16 11:54:32 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: There should be an RFC for automatically sending mails with disclaimers to the company postmaster. ;)
Jan 16 11:54:37 <X-Fade> lcuk: treasure them!
Jan 16 11:55:12 <lardman> lol
Jan 16 11:55:23 <lcuk> x-fade, how can i treasure them :'(, the pictures you keep including cannot be unseen.
Jan 16 11:55:40 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 16 11:55:48 <lardman> burned in hey?
Jan 16 11:56:01 <X-Fade> lcuk: I just forward GA's mails, sorry ;)
Jan 16 11:56:07 <lcuk> heh
Jan 16 11:56:15 <lardman> lolx2
Jan 16 11:56:28 <lcuk> right, suppose i need to run back along i only called by to grab a file
Jan 16 11:56:48 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, have you put any consideration into an autobuilder overview page?
Jan 16 11:57:13 <mavhc> I was asked to put a disclaimer on the company emails, so I just added a link to the disclaimer on the website, only 1 line then, 0 people have ever clicked that link
Jan 16 11:57:42 <GeneralAntilles> jott?
Jan 16 11:57:43 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I like something like: http://build.gnome.org/
Jan 16 11:58:11 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, oh, nice.
Jan 16 11:59:00 <GeneralAntilles> Something with more "wow"
Jan 16 11:59:02 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: But really, we need more people to help out coding features for the autobuilder etc.
Jan 16 11:59:04 <GeneralAntilles> Cool trend stats and such
Jan 16 11:59:14 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, I'm blaming lardman. :P
Jan 16 11:59:25 <lardman> X-Fade: like a debmaster?
Jan 16 11:59:39 <lardman> yeah, probably is my fault too :)
Jan 16 11:59:41 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I guess one of the tasks of the debmaster would be to gather more contributors to that too.
Jan 16 12:00:32 <GeneralAntilles> "gather"
Jan 16 12:00:46 <lardman> aaaargh, why can't I find the problem!?
Jan 16 12:00:52 <GeneralAntilles> "debmaster" is actually "press-gang leader"
Jan 16 12:02:10 <lardman> ~curse my adiabatic boundary which is getting cool for some unknown reason
Jan 16 12:17:44 <GeneralAntilles> X
Jan 16 12:17:56 <GeneralAntilles> er. X-Fade, what help do you need on the Downloads plan?
Jan 16 12:18:22 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Let me post the actual wiki page with ideas I have now.
Jan 16 12:18:37 <X-Fade> I have some notes that I should post..
Jan 16 12:25:23 <X-Fade> https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Downloads_catalog_improvements
Jan 16 12:25:41 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I have to step out for some time now, will improve it later today..
Jan 16 12:25:49 <GeneralAntilles> OK
Jan 16 12:37:25 <glass>  http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/318046/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-79-97-cl/ this already here?
Jan 16 12:37:35 <glass> 80� n810
Jan 16 12:37:46 <lardman> PC world?
Jan 16 12:37:57 <lardman> apparently out of stock pretty much everywhere
Jan 16 12:38:08 <glass> yeah i'd imagine
Jan 16 12:38:17 <glass> pretty nice deal for those who got it tho
Jan 16 12:38:19 <lardman> but even when the offer started
Jan 16 12:38:23 <lardman> yep
Jan 16 12:38:56 <Stskeeps> oh finally - a good data plan
Jan 16 12:39:26 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps: Who is the good data plan with?
Jan 16 12:41:29 <Stskeeps> 500mb / month, 5000 sms , 3.6mbit, 8 US cent per minute talk, for 26$ a month
Jan 16 12:42:39 <Andrewfblack> is that really that good? I guess it is if you send text messages
Jan 16 12:43:10 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: compared to my existing plan, yes
Jan 16 12:43:45 <glass> pretty meaningless that it's 3.6mbit, if it tops at 500mb
Jan 16 12:43:46 <Andrewfblack> does it allow teathering?  Because mine seems better I'm just not supose to tether it
Jan 16 12:43:52 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: yes, we aren't the US
Jan 16 12:44:03 <Andrewfblack> ahh yeah
Jan 16 12:44:25 <Andrewfblack> I hear data plans a cross the pond sucks
Jan 16 12:44:57 <Stskeeps> glass: it's fine for me since i paid 40$ per month in just simple data traffic
Jan 16 12:45:11 <GeneralAntilles> Funny thing is, the first carrier that actually prices their data plans reasonably will make a killing.
Jan 16 12:45:23 <glass> Stskeeps: yep but it fills up 500mb really fast, so not usable as a long term 3.6mbit connection really
Jan 16 12:45:36 <Stskeeps> glass: yeah, i know
Jan 16 12:45:42 <Stskeeps> i'm just happy saving money since i use tethering a lot
Jan 16 12:45:45 <Andrewfblack> I only pay $15 a month for unlimited but its not the fastest.
Jan 16 12:50:54 <Andrewfblack> wow kinda disencuraging when over 800 people look at my screenshots of latest theme and only 24 download it
Jan 16 12:51:14 <RST38h> bastards! can I look? url? =)
Jan 16 12:51:38 <Andrewfblack> Same from yesterday I think you saw it
Jan 16 12:52:12 <Andrewfblack> garage.maemo.org/projects/themehackers
Jan 16 12:53:35 <Andrewfblack> so I guess 24 would be about 3% of the 800 people didn't run when they saw the screenshot lol
Jan 16 12:54:06 <GeneralAntilles> Andrewfblack, your download rates would be much higher if you pushed them to Extras.
Jan 16 12:54:13 <timelE61i> tHat was cute
Jan 16 12:54:24 <Andrewfblack> yeah I was going to start working on how to do that today
Jan 16 12:54:28 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: that's the problem of theme maker really
Jan 16 12:54:32 <Stskeeps> it makes debs, not source debs
Jan 16 12:54:48 <timelE61i> One ui spec said monday or whatever default is specified by region
Jan 16 12:54:55 <RST38h> Andrew: Sorry, my nick is always here but I am not =(
Jan 16 12:55:19 <timelE61i> The' other spec said nothing on the subject
Jan 16 12:55:23 <Andrewfblack> ahh thats cool I thought you commented on it yesterday did you see the link I posted to my project
Jan 16 12:55:29 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, obviously it's time we harass konttori. :P
Jan 16 12:56:01 <RST38h> Ah, that one screenshot!
Jan 16 12:56:02 <RST38h> I did.
Jan 16 12:56:07 <Andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles:  I already harass him about it I got him to do the last 2 updates
Jan 16 12:56:32 <Andrewfblack> I did add the line you wanted just havn't updated screenshots or deb
Jan 16 12:57:01 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, anyway, for themes, non-free is an option.
Jan 16 12:57:11 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: yeah, but not a pretty one :P
Jan 16 12:57:37 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, well, there's no compiled code
Jan 16 12:57:45 <Andrewfblack> Ok, who wanted to help me with Extras I don't even know how to accept the invitation I got lol
Jan 16 12:58:02 <GeneralAntilles> and, arguably, some artists may want to retain rights to their art.
Jan 16 12:58:20 <GeneralAntilles> Andrewfblack, clearly you want X-Fade. ;)
Jan 16 12:58:20 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: mm
Jan 16 12:58:37 <GeneralAntilles> ~upload-extras
Jan 16 12:58:51 <GeneralAntilles> Speak of the devil!
Jan 16 12:58:54 <Andrewfblack> theres konttori jump him!
Jan 16 12:59:04 <GeneralAntilles> Andrewfblack, http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras
Jan 16 13:00:06 * Stskeeps waits on the online chat for changing subscription
Jan 16 13:00:49 <Stskeeps> this means i can finally start mucking around with my custom made positioning-using system that tries to connect to my work AUWLAN when it notices i'm in that cell network cell
Jan 16 13:01:11 <Stskeeps> or switches dynamically between cell plan and wlan :P
Jan 16 13:03:16 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: also, it's a savings my per-mb switches from 1.7 dollar to 0.17 ;)
Jan 16 13:03:48 <GeneralAntilles> $1.70 a MB?!
Jan 16 13:04:11 <Andrewfblack> yeah its not a bad plan
Jan 16 13:04:13 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not surprised it costs that much
Jan 16 13:04:22 <GeneralAntilles> But I am a bit that you'd continue paying that month-to-month. :P
Jan 16 13:04:42 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: i was waiting for the iphone binding period range to have its impact on danish mobile companies
Jan 16 13:05:03 <timelE61i> you didn't believe the internet was an addiction?
Jan 16 13:05:06 <Stskeeps> the company with monopoly on them, the binding period expired around now, so people start having sane data+sms plans
Jan 16 13:05:14 <Andrewfblack> ohh no I just booted into my ubuntu partition I'm going to have to drop out of college now!
Jan 16 13:05:24 <timelE61i> Ip - the drug of choice for a nw generation
Jan 16 13:06:47 <timelE61i> you can't get connected or run msword?
Jan 16 13:07:34 <Andrewfblack> timelE61i no I can do that I just thought I had to drop out if I use ubuntu
Jan 16 13:09:04 <GeneralAntilles> Andrewfblack, you probably missed the memo, but you're also going to have to kill yourself. Sorry.
Jan 16 13:09:15 <wazd> reallyh weird thing to draw a console that died before I was born :)
Jan 16 13:09:51 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, hey, at least you're not dying drawing a console. :P
Jan 16 13:09:56 <Stskeeps> wazd: how old are you, btw?
Jan 16 13:09:58 <Stskeeps> just curious
Jan 16 13:10:12 <Andrewfblack> GeneralAntilles: Dang can I alteast boot back to windows beforeI do?
Jan 16 13:10:13 <wazd> Stskeeps: 516
Jan 16 13:10:16 <lcuk> wazd, i have the same conceptual problem everytime i want to draw a dinosaur :)
Jan 16 13:10:17 <GeneralAntilles> Old. This is for RST38h's abacus emulator.
Jan 16 13:10:21 <Stskeeps> wazd: gandalf?
Jan 16 13:10:30 <wazd> Stskeeps: his father :)
Jan 16 13:10:32 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 16 13:10:41 <wazd> Stskeeps: 21 actually)
Jan 16 13:10:47 <Stskeeps> fair enough
Jan 16 13:10:50 <Stskeeps> <- 24 here
Jan 16 13:10:51 <GeneralAntilles> Woo, high-five!
Jan 16 13:10:56 <GeneralAntilles> (@ 21)
Jan 16 13:11:08 <wazd> :P
Jan 16 13:11:28 <RST38h> wazd: ColecoVision?
Jan 16 13:11:36 <wazd> RST38h: yep)
Jan 16 13:11:42 <Andrewfblack> all you kids I'm 25
Jan 16 13:11:49 <lcuk> RST38h, stop teasing him, but im sure hes seen one on antiques roadshow
Jan 16 13:11:49 <wazd> RST38h: that was really tough one)
Jan 16 13:14:54 <lcuk> Stskeeps, did you see the posting about debian on g1
Jan 16 13:15:09 <Stskeeps> lcuk: yeah
Jan 16 13:15:17 <thopiekar> hi
Jan 16 13:15:22 <GeneralAntilles> Poor johnx didn't get /. coverage for Deblet.
Jan 16 13:15:24 <lcuk> is it much of a jump to get mer on it?
Jan 16 13:15:25 <Stskeeps> my comment was that "why would i put anything on something i need to pay 300-400 usd to unlock"?
Jan 16 13:15:40 <wazd> RST38h: check your e-mail, hope it's nice enough :)
Jan 16 13:15:55 <thopiekar> hey luck^, are you there?
Jan 16 13:15:57 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, before its time :) but johnx the trailblazer is instrumental in helping with this
Jan 16 13:16:26 <lcuk> Stskeeps, sorry i had computers off and everything i lost followup
Jan 16 13:16:47 <GeneralAntilles> Maemo on Android would probably make /.
Jan 16 13:16:49 <lcuk> im just sick of android being pushed onto everything else (ie our $400 n810) and wanna give back the love
Jan 16 13:17:00 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: my plan is to slam out a wide range of Mer devices, wii, zaurus, netbooks, maybe freerunner etc
Jan 16 13:17:07 <Stskeeps> umpcs..
Jan 16 13:17:13 <GeneralAntilles> Mer on Android
Jan 16 13:17:15 <lcuk> toasters
Jan 16 13:17:16 * wazd wonders why the hell Nokia doesn't post his widget to the competition gallery
Jan 16 13:17:18 <lcuk> kettles fridges
Jan 16 13:17:20 * GeneralAntilles is a dumbass.
Jan 16 13:17:28 <GeneralAntilles> Mer on G1.
Jan 16 13:17:36 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, they hate you.
Jan 16 13:17:49 <wazd> GeneralAntilles: thats for sure :(
Jan 16 13:18:00 <Stskeeps> where are the hw specs for G1?
Jan 16 13:18:22 <Stskeeps> ah, MSM7201A
Jan 16 13:18:34 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_G1
Jan 16 13:19:19 <lcuk> Stskeeps, low res screen though, you would have trouble with theming
Jan 16 13:19:19 <Stskeeps> mm, wonder what arm version that is
Jan 16 13:19:23 <Stskeeps> lcuk: not really
Jan 16 13:19:32 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, ARM11
Jan 16 13:19:38 <lcuk> well themes are fixed res arent they?
Jan 16 13:19:42 <sampo> is it possible to run home-applets inside scratchbox?
Jan 16 13:19:55 <Stskeeps> lcuk: yeah, but since johnx can make zaurus ones..
Jan 16 13:20:01 <lcuk> sampo, is scratchbox your normal homescreen?
Jan 16 13:20:01 <Stskeeps> lcuk: also, with meiz's new discoveries..
Jan 16 13:20:08 <wazd> It reminds me one old PC game called "The Elder Scrolls: Arena". There were messages like "You can't enter this zone because you can't"
Jan 16 13:20:24 <wazd> You can't participate in the contest because you can't :)
Jan 16 13:20:32 <lcuk> *nod* Stskeeps, merely pointing out issues, if they are solvable all the better
Jan 16 13:21:00 <sampo> lcuk: what do you mean? if want to write my own applet, i'd like to test it inside scratchbox on emulator
Jan 16 13:21:01 <Stskeeps> wazd: new challenge for you.. mockup for Mer on a 320x480
Jan 16 13:21:05 <lcuk> wazd, you cannot enter this competition because: *DUPLICATE ENTRY, MICROSOFT POSTED FIRST"
Jan 16 13:21:10 <Stskeeps> sampo: i think it's possible yeah
Jan 16 13:21:43 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, buggiest game ever.
Jan 16 13:21:46 <lcuk> Stskeeps, resolution was one of the first things i looked at
Jan 16 13:21:50 <wazd> Stskeeps: lets port Mer to Gameboy :)
Jan 16 13:21:53 <Stskeeps> wazd: hehe
Jan 16 13:21:59 <Stskeeps> wazd: i'd rather say DS, but ok ..
Jan 16 13:22:04 <lcuk> 256*224
Jan 16 13:22:08 <GeneralAntilles> Too slow
Jan 16 13:22:15 <GeneralAntilles> What's it, 64MHz?
Jan 16 13:22:25 <lcuk> plenty
Jan 16 13:22:36 <wazd> Stskeeps: my previous mock up is pretty flexible I think
Jan 16 13:22:43 <Andrewfblack> how about porting it to my calculator watch?
Jan 16 13:22:55 <lcuk> Andrewfblack, theres a deb already
Jan 16 13:23:01 <wazd> Stskeeps: Just smaller number of items in a row
Jan 16 13:23:02 <Andrewfblack> lol
Jan 16 13:23:05 <Stskeeps> wazd: true
Jan 16 13:23:10 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, 4MB of RAM. :P
Jan 16 13:23:22 <sampo> well i keep getting all kinds of error messages when i try to add applet on emulator
Jan 16 13:23:31 <lcuk> anyway, back again later
Jan 16 13:23:41 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: wouldn't it do wonders for the Maemo platform if suddenly it was easily possible to put Maemo platform on a wide range of devices?
Jan 16 13:23:53 <sampo> hildon-desktop[20222]: GLIB WARNING ** default - hildon_help_dialog_help_enable: topic uiframework_home_select_applets is incorrect!
Jan 16 13:23:56 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, yes.
Jan 16 13:24:01 <sampo> hildon-desktop[20222]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Plugin desktop file not found, ignoring plugin
Jan 16 13:24:10 <Jaffa> re
Jan 16 13:24:30 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, Jaffa.
Jan 16 13:25:01 <wazd> Jaffa: hmmm)
Jan 16 13:25:31 <Stskeeps> sampo: you might have to edit the .confs in .osso
Jan 16 13:25:34 <wazd> Jaffa: re is one of standard greetings in ru-net :)
Jan 16 13:25:59 <Jaffa> wazd: and the old talkers I used to inhabit, oh so many years ago
Jan 16 13:26:29 <wazd> Jaffa: Kind of "Hi" typed in wrong language
Jan 16 13:26:39 <Stskeeps> wazd: ru-net.. what net is that?
Jan 16 13:27:06 <wazd> Stskeeps: russian part of the internet) you better know nothing bout it :)
Jan 16 13:27:35 <Andrewfblack> wish I knew why my ubuntu install keeps randomly changing work spaces
Jan 16 13:27:58 <Stskeeps> wrong button..
Jan 16 13:28:10 <RST38h> wazd: my guess is that they only post to the gallery stuff they consider very very good. OR they have not got to your submission yet
Jan 16 13:28:41 <Andrewfblack> RST38h: so your saying wazd's wasn't very very good :) JK
Jan 16 13:29:00 <wazd> Andrewfblack: well, mine is totaly un-original)
Jan 16 13:29:59 <wazd> RST38h:Mine was unuriginal, but RSS reader, for god sake :D
Jan 16 13:30:17 <RST38h> Andrew: Not exactly, I suspect Nokia's definition of very very good is somewhat eccentric =)
Jan 16 13:30:40 <RST38h> wazd: it sounds useful though, unlike most of the stuff in their gallery
Jan 16 13:31:04 <wazd> RST38h: don't you think it's already built-in the system?)
Jan 16 13:31:21 <wazd> RST38h: Then I can draw a clock for example)
Jan 16 13:32:03 <RST38h> wazd: I would go for something original instead =)
Jan 16 13:32:21 <wazd> In fact I don't much care bout the competition, but I want my widget to be shown cause there is "Coco de Mer" request on it :D
Jan 16 13:32:42 <Andrewfblack> also since they are going to make the widget work make sure its not something thats going to  take them 6 months to program lol
Jan 16 13:33:09 <wazd> Andrewfblack: "Hello, world!" widget is the best :)
Jan 16 13:33:45 <Andrewfblack> that would rock with black letters and white background
Jan 16 13:34:49 <RST38h> wazd: they promise an N97 to the winner
Jan 16 13:35:07 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh. Gender-neutral usage of "her" drives my insane.
Jan 16 13:35:09 <RST38h> wazd: it is a nice prise to try for =)
Jan 16 13:35:25 <wazd> RST38h: I've never won any serious competition in my life)
Jan 16 13:35:40 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ditto
Jan 16 13:35:52 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: +1 on the fixed width thing. Unfortunately, I get shouted at when raising it ;-)
Jan 16 13:35:54 <RST38h> wazd: there is always first chance and it is not a serious compo too
Jan 16 13:35:57 <jpt9> Hey.
Jan 16 13:36:10 <RST38h> General: Herstory!
Jan 16 13:36:11 <jpt9> Quick question... do you think this card: http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-SPH-V4400-SIEMENS-VOLTAGE-MULTIMEDIA/dp/B000H88VX8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1232112938&sr=8-1 would work on a 770?
Jan 16 13:36:11 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, yeah, so did I. :\
Jan 16 13:36:22 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, ohgod.
Jan 16 13:36:25 <jpt9> RST38h:Lol.
Jan 16 13:36:27 <Andrewfblack> is translution working in Mer now?
Jan 16 13:36:27 <wazd> RST38h: I can't even get my widget to the show :)
Jan 16 13:36:39 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: transparency you mean
Jan 16 13:36:48 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps: yeah
Jan 16 13:36:49 <RST38h> wazd: probably a delay in review (7:3 for that)
Jan 16 13:36:56 <GeneralAntilles> jpt9, should.
Jan 16 13:36:57 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: yessir, and you mean composite
Jan 16 13:37:11 <wazd> RST38h: hope so)
Jan 16 13:37:22 <wazd> RST38h: hows coleco?
Jan 16 13:37:48 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, when do we get to see wazd's cool new icons?
Jan 16 13:38:23 <Andrewfblack> Thinking about making the light gray border on MerEcho a little transparent
Jan 16 13:38:58 * Stskeeps decides to get at editing the mer blueprint and getting it up to date.
Jan 16 13:39:02 * johnx returns
Jan 16 13:39:06 <Stskeeps> wb johnx
Jan 16 13:39:26 <wazd> Stskeeps: btw, is there any way to add alpha channel for windows in Mer?
Jan 16 13:39:29 <johnx> was dealing with viruses on a friend's laptop O_o;
Jan 16 13:39:52 <wazd> Stskeeps: to use semi-transparency in window borders
Jan 16 13:39:54 <RST38h> wazd: About ColEm icon: too much detail (it will all be lost) and the colors are not contrast enough
Jan 16 13:40:12 <Stskeeps> wazd: i have no clue - qwerty12_N800 ?
Jan 16 13:40:20 <RST38h> General: Prbably tonight unless I fall asleep. Otherwise, some time until Monday
Jan 16 13:40:47 * jpt9 just ordered one.
Jan 16 13:40:50 * jpt9 hopes it works...
Jan 16 13:41:06 <jpt9> If not, it's only like $13.  Which was less than the last memory card I bought.
Jan 16 13:41:38 <wazd> RST38h: I'll try to reduce the details
Jan 16 13:42:06 <RST38h> wazd: make it lighter than the real thing is also ok
Jan 16 13:42:11 <RST38h> making
Jan 16 13:42:25 * wazd summons qwerty12_N800
Jan 16 13:42:31 <wazd> RST38h: ok
Jan 16 13:45:33 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, ping?
Jan 16 13:45:46 <dneary> yup?
Jan 16 13:46:00 <GeneralAntilles> You wouldn't happen to know how to change the url for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4010 ?
Jan 16 13:47:14 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: I suppose you could close that bug & open a new one, the URL would change
Jan 16 13:47:23 <dneary> Or do you mean the URL field in the bug?
Jan 16 13:47:40 <GeneralAntilles> I mean the URL for the bugzilla link in the bottom of the documentation pages.
Jan 16 13:47:51 <dneary> If you have the right level of rights (which I think you should have) you can do it yourself
Jan 16 13:47:56 <GeneralAntilles> It needs to be updated for the new product and component.
Jan 16 13:48:07 <dneary> Ah! Sorry
Jan 16 13:48:11 <dneary> Misunderstood you
Jan 16 13:48:12 <GeneralAntilles> I'm fairly certain I do, but I think it's buried in Midgard somewhere.
Jan 16 13:48:25 <dneary> I did look at that once, it was hairy Midgard stuff, I didn't understand it
Jan 16 13:48:28 <GeneralAntilles> I've been clicking through, but haven't seen it.
Jan 16 13:48:29 <dneary> I can try again, though
Jan 16 13:48:38 <GeneralAntilles> bergie left just in the nick of time. <_<
Jan 16 13:48:55 <dneary> What should it point at?
Jan 16 13:50:36 <GeneralAntilles> s/product=Website/product=Development%20platform/
Jan 16 13:56:05 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Still hunting
Jan 16 13:56:13 <dneary> Nothing in topic configuration that I can see
Jan 16 13:56:27 <dneary> I should probably check in midgard2maemo
Jan 16 13:57:24 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, don't worry over it too much unless you really want to spent the time getting dirty with Midgard. ;) I CCed X-Fade, so he can fix it whenever he gets back.
Jan 16 13:57:40 <dneary> I'd like to understand midgard more
Jan 16 13:58:02 <dneary> I'd like to at least have the tools to be able to figure out how to fix this kind of problem
Jan 16 14:06:06 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9682258&nav=menu1362_2
Jan 16 14:06:07 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 16 14:06:24 <GeneralAntilles> I like comment #2. Arguably the news article is more correct.
Jan 16 14:07:37 <johnx> linking to them does nothing but encourage them
Jan 16 14:07:48 <johnx> their ad revenues have to be through the roof
Jan 16 14:08:05 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, meh, I find the whole think amusing.
Jan 16 14:08:10 <GeneralAntilles> s/think/thing/
Jan 16 14:08:17 * GeneralAntilles is also a dumbass.
Jan 16 14:08:25 <glass> calling a user an idiot is an idiotical thing to do if you plan to promote your os, if you want to be an elitistic fucknut then it's of course the right way
Jan 16 14:08:51 <krutt> agrreed
Jan 16 14:08:53 <GeneralAntilles> glass, no, calling a user an idiot is redundant. :D
Jan 16 14:08:58 <wazd> RST38h: ok, 2nd version gone)
Jan 16 14:09:05 <johnx> glass, do you know how hard it is to unintentionally end up with an ubuntu laptop from dell?
Jan 16 14:09:35 <glass> johnx: dunno - not that hard apparently
Jan 16 14:10:02 <johnx> glass, last time I checked there were all sorts of warnings and notes about it not running windows software
Jan 16 14:10:08 <johnx> to avoid exactly this situation
Jan 16 14:10:08 <glass> johnx: it's not too hard for some folk to fill a petrol engine with diesel either
Jan 16 14:10:22 <johnx> glass, and it serves as a good lesson to them
Jan 16 14:10:22 <glass> johnx: maybe she ordered via phone?
Jan 16 14:10:43 <johnx> and if she ordered via phone she probably would have had to ask for ubuntu specifically
Jan 16 14:10:51 <wazd> whoa, crazy ubuntu users)
Jan 16 14:11:31 <glass> ubuntu is the fanboi distro of the season
Jan 16 14:11:41 <Corsac> “This is inaccurate. Ubuntu is a version of linux.”
Jan 16 14:11:49 <glass> johnx: minilappies around here are easy to buy with linux in 'accident'
Jan 16 14:11:50 <Corsac> well, that's wrong and the article is right :)
Jan 16 14:11:55 <Corsac> Ubuntu sure contains Linux
Jan 16 14:12:01 <glass> yeah
Jan 16 14:12:07 <GeneralAntilles> Corsac, yeah, I chuckled at that.
Jan 16 14:12:13 <RST38h> wazd: I am still afraid that at 40x40 or 26x26 the Coleco will look like a piece of unidentifiable gray stuff
Jan 16 14:12:31 <wazd> RST38h:
Jan 16 14:12:31 <RST38h> wazd: maybe worth trying it ix axonometric projection
Jan 16 14:12:51 <wazd> RST38h: crappy designed console indeed :D
Jan 16 14:13:10 <wazd> RST38h: Maybe just make a top view?
Jan 16 14:13:17 <RST38h> wazd: it was state of the art for those times :)
Jan 16 14:13:30 <RST38h> wazd: also a workable idea
Jan 16 14:13:54 <wazd> But 26x26 will still make it gray noise
Jan 16 14:14:16 <RST38h> wazd: better than the side view though
Jan 16 14:14:42 <wazd> RST38h: not so much in fact :)
Jan 16 14:15:10 <wazd> RST38h: Maybe just write "colem" for 26x26?)
Jan 16 14:15:54 <RST38h> wazd: you are proceeding along exactly the same path I have
Jan 16 14:16:13 <RST38h> wazd: the current icon does indeed show "ColEm" or "Coleco" (don't remember)
Jan 16 14:16:51 <GeneralAntilles> Just do the controller?
Jan 16 14:17:22 <RST38h> yep, especially considering how distinctive the controller is
Jan 16 14:17:25 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles, johnx: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Draft_Mer_Blueprint <- work in progress
Jan 16 14:17:40 * johnx reads, eats
Jan 16 14:18:01 <wazd> RST38h: Well, v2 is recognizable in 40x40
Jan 16 14:18:31 * RST38h can't check: even the original size I can only view in Google Chrome at the moment =)
Jan 16 14:18:32 <GeneralAntilles> Just make all the 26x26 icons middle fingers.
Jan 16 14:19:11 <wazd> RST38h: maybe use controller's "hat" for 26x26?)
Jan 16 14:19:29 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, nah, how about rude gestures from different countries. there are so many fun ones :D
Jan 16 14:19:34 <RST38h> wazd: there are similar looking things in other hardware
Jan 16 14:19:47 <wazd> RST38h: true(
Jan 16 14:19:53 * GeneralAntilles makes the ok sign at johnx.
Jan 16 14:19:57 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Google and ohloh to the rescue: https://www.ohloh.net/p/7485/commits/15347358
Jan 16 14:20:11 * johnx gives GeneralAntilles the thumbs down
Jan 16 14:20:34 <GeneralAntilles> Damn, dneary, nice find.
Jan 16 14:21:10 <dneary> So it was hard coded in a .php file
Jan 16 14:21:24 * GeneralAntilles gets another blanket.
Jan 16 14:21:27 <dneary> Now - what was that link you wanted?
Jan 16 14:21:45 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, you need an electric space heater for under your desk :)
Jan 16 14:22:12 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, just s/product=Website/product=Development%20platform/ in the bugzilla URL its got already.
Jan 16 14:22:23 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, got one, saving electricity.
Jan 16 14:22:42 <johnx> yeah, I only turn it on enough to heat my area of the room
Jan 16 14:23:03 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Component stays the same?
Jan 16 14:23:12 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, Documentation.
Jan 16 14:25:40 <dneary> Now it just needs to get deployed
Jan 16 14:25:43 <dneary> I can't do that
Jan 16 14:25:46 <dneary> But it's fixed
Jan 16 14:27:23 <GeneralAntilles> Awesome, thanks, dneary! :)
Jan 16 14:30:14 <zenvoid> johnx: I saw your picture in launchpad, absolutely love that funny face :-)
Jan 16 14:31:08 <johnx> yup, I was on a hiking trip and I kept taking pictures of everyone else, but I was the only one with a camera...so I figured I should take at least a couple of myself :)
Jan 16 14:31:57 <johnx> plus it distracts from my crappy packages :D
Jan 16 14:32:13 <zenvoid> hahaha :-D
Jan 16 14:34:03 <Stskeeps> johnx: saw meiz's succesful use of marquee earlier?
Jan 16 14:34:15 <johnx> !!
Jan 16 14:34:27 <Stskeeps> http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepanel.png
Jan 16 14:34:38 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps / johnx, it was missing statusbar...
Jan 16 14:35:03 <Meiz_n810> so, there was load-applet and adv-bkglight but no nm-applet
Jan 16 14:35:04 <johnx> Meiz_n810, we can sort that out. how did you get it installed?
Jan 16 14:35:28 <Meiz_n810> apt-get install marquee-plugins ;P
Jan 16 14:35:51 <Meiz_n810> i had to --force-overwrite one of it's depends
Jan 16 14:35:57 <Meiz_n810> libhildon
Jan 16 14:36:04 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 16 14:36:07 <johnx> aaah
Jan 16 14:36:11 <Stskeeps> so you actually used the libhildon of ubuntu ;)
Jan 16 14:36:19 <Meiz_n810> propably
Jan 16 14:36:46 <johnx> I had issues getting it to compile in mer, but actually I'm do for a new image install anyways. mine's pretty crufty
Jan 16 14:38:01 <Jaffa> Oh FFS, the Maemo documentation is absolute rubbish. I'm trying to find the icon sizes I should distribute in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ for a package. And there's no list *anywhere*
Jan 16 14:38:51 <johnx> yeah, there's often missing docs, but at least there are examples :)
Jan 16 14:39:04 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, I bet better docs would help get more people involved.
Jan 16 14:39:13 <Jaffa> I bet they would too.
Jan 16 14:39:15 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, goes without saying
Jan 16 14:40:01 <Jaffa> solmumaha:
Jan 16 14:40:05 <Jaffa> Eh?
Jan 16 14:40:10 <Jaffa> aha - http://thpinfo.com/2008/02/maemo-icon-sizes.html
Jan 16 14:40:55 <GeneralAntilles> Bastard won an N810 >:(
Jan 16 14:41:00 <Jaffa> Aye
Jan 16 14:41:28 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, huh? jealous or what?
Jan 16 14:41:41 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, a bit. :P
Jan 16 14:41:54 <wazd> who won?
Jan 16 14:42:03 <wazd> let me be jeloz 2 )
Jan 16 14:42:30 <GeneralAntilles> thp and Fred Chittenden
Jan 16 14:42:46 <wazd> who's that?)
Jan 16 14:43:09 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno who Fred is
Jan 16 14:43:28 <wazd> ok, won where?)
Jan 16 14:43:39 <GeneralAntilles> Thomas Perl is in every one of INdT's maemo.org mockups.
Jan 16 14:43:52 <GeneralAntilles> http://openbossa.andrecunha.com/maemo/
Jan 16 14:43:58 <Jaffa> It's a conspiracy
Jan 16 14:44:06 <GeneralAntilles> There's a bunch of clones grinning at you in the right column.
Jan 16 14:44:13 <Jaffa> He's the only community member - we're all just figments of his imagination
Jan 16 14:44:25 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, N810s from the Maemo/OpenMoko survey that got sent to -developers a month or two ago.
Jan 16 14:44:30 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 16 14:44:59 <mgedmin> why did you have to remind me about that?
Jan 16 14:45:21 <GeneralAntilles> About being a figment of thp's imagination?
Jan 16 14:45:41 <mgedmin> I'd forgotten I had a chance to win a n810
Jan 16 14:45:42 <johnx> *(#&$ it's cold
Jan 16 14:45:56 <GeneralAntilles> mgedmin, now you're disappointed? Yeah, me too. ;)
Jan 16 14:46:00 <mgedmin> -1°C here
Jan 16 14:46:23 <johnx> mgedmin, in your house?
Jan 16 14:46:40 <mgedmin> no, outside, thankfully
Jan 16 14:47:02 <johnx> it's about the same outside, but my insulation is crap it appears
Jan 16 14:48:15 <zenvoid> 24C here :-)
Jan 16 14:48:30 <johnx> impressive
Jan 16 14:48:37 <johnx> guess it's daytime there too :P
Jan 16 14:49:19 <zenvoid> you guys sleep during daytime?
Jan 16 14:49:32 <johnx> eh?
Jan 16 14:49:38 <johnx> I'm UTC+9
Jan 16 14:49:53 <johnx> though actually yes, I do sleep during the daytime when I work night shift
Jan 16 14:50:05 <wazd> I remember thoughtfix's n810 giveaway contest
Jan 16 14:50:24 <zenvoid> :D
Jan 16 14:50:48 <wazd> Was that lady someone's sister/cousin honestly?)
Jan 16 14:51:48 <TrueJournals> -14 F here O_o
Jan 16 14:52:00 <wazd> RST38h: btw, what other consoles should I draw? Gamegear?
Jan 16 14:52:04 * GeneralAntilles would die.
Jan 16 14:52:25 <TrueJournals> Pretty comfy in the house, though
Jan 16 14:53:00 <zenvoid> TrueJournals: wow, where are you?
Jan 16 14:53:10 <wazd> Behold! There is -49 C in Seymchan!
Jan 16 14:53:13 <TrueJournals> Northwest suburb of chicago
Jan 16 14:53:15 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, there's a point at which the rest of us suck it up and pay the electric bill :)
Jan 16 14:53:24 <wazd> So stop crying!)
Jan 16 14:54:16 <wazd> Damn, how people live in such cold climate :)
Jan 16 14:54:18 <zenvoid> -49C !!!
Jan 16 14:54:43 <wazd> yep
Jan 16 14:55:11 <wazd> and they will have -50 on monday night
Jan 16 14:55:29 <zenvoid> well... no need to put fans on your server
Jan 16 14:55:34 <zenvoid> :)
Jan 16 14:55:42 <wazd> just open the window))
Jan 16 14:55:46 <mgedmin> overclocking heaven ;)
Jan 16 14:56:37 <wazd> poor people(
Jan 16 14:57:10 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: targets/mer-armel-rootstrap will only make a basic roofs with no hildon stuff?
Jan 16 14:58:09 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: hmm? yes
Jan 16 14:58:17 <Meiz_n810> ok
Jan 16 14:58:18 <Stskeeps> it will set up pinning correctly though
Jan 16 14:58:28 <Stskeeps> i think
Jan 16 14:59:14 <Meiz_n810> ./imager: .: line 5: can't open foundations/mer-buildd
Jan 16 15:00:52 <Stskeeps> yeah, probably forgot to commit it
Jan 16 15:00:54 <Stskeeps> sec
Jan 16 15:01:01 <wazd> wow, we have 2 Wi-Max networks in Moscow)
Jan 16 15:01:02 <Stskeeps> what do you need it for? is not really that runnable :)
Jan 16 15:02:54 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: pushed
Jan 16 15:03:38 <Jaffa> mgedmin: rebuilding vim-7.2 as we speak :-)
Jan 16 15:03:47 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: i'm gonna try UME once :)
Jan 16 15:04:04 <Stslaptop> Meiz_n810: fair enough
Jan 16 15:04:12 <Jaffa> mgedmin: assuming the toddler & the baby stay asleep, there should be an extras-devel upload within an hour or so
Jan 16 15:04:27 <mgedmin> Jaffa: many thanks
Jan 16 15:04:48 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: what's the prefered place for documentation for Mer?
Jan 16 15:05:33 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: think we'll put it on the blueprint wiki for now and then slowly spread it out on wiki pages
Jan 16 15:05:38 <Stskeeps> what do you have in mind?
Jan 16 15:07:17 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: I want to get the instruction for 770 up in one place...
Jan 16 15:07:39 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: and try to keep up with status notes in the same place
Jan 16 15:12:35 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Draft_Mer_Blueprint , working on this atm, think that'll be the primary collaborative space
Jan 16 15:14:09 <rZr> r2d2rogers: how many MB is requiered to install mer on 770 ?
Jan 16 15:14:31 <r2d2rogers> rZr: I was about to check
Jan 16 15:14:49 <r2d2rogers> I'm talking to someone who just got a 1 gig card ...
Jan 16 15:14:56 <rZr> I may test it soon
Jan 16 15:15:03 <rZr> i have only 512
Jan 16 15:15:14 <r2d2rogers> I can tell you in a few minutes
Jan 16 15:15:31 <rZr> thank you r2d2rogers
Jan 16 15:16:10 <r2d2rogers> rZr: I have 560 MB used
Jan 16 15:16:27 <r2d2rogers> not counting the 256 MEG swap partition
Jan 16 15:16:52 <r2d2rogers> looks like you'll need at least a 1 gig card
Jan 16 15:16:55 <rZr> this may be shrinked in the future ?
Jan 16 15:17:14 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: hmm, think it would be possible to get a Mer component in bugzilla?
Jan 16 15:17:26 <r2d2rogers> rZr: I can get a link for a $13  card the other person just ordered I think
Jan 16 15:17:27 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, sure.
Jan 16 15:17:42 <Stskeeps> i just realized we're starting to get a decent pile of bugs noticed so
Jan 16 15:18:13 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, just find andre and throw things at him until he does what you want. :P
Jan 16 15:18:24 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: ponies would do the trick probably
Jan 16 15:19:59 <rZr> r2d2rogers: sure this will end on some wiki soon
Jan 16 15:21:47 <r2d2rogers> yup
Jan 16 15:21:50 <r2d2rogers> just talking about it
Jan 16 15:25:16 <Jaffa> mgedmin: adding all sorts of lovely mud features to enable this with me having to do the minimal amount of work for the vim package itself.
Jan 16 15:26:08 <keesj> Hi
Jan 16 15:26:49 <Jaffa> hi keesj
Jan 16 15:27:25 <Jaffa> keesj: adding package/pre-build and package/post-build directories to contain shell scripts to execute pre/post compile steps. Easiest way of adding wholly new files (especially binary ones)
Jan 16 15:29:45 <keesj> I did a few debian packages without mud in the mean time and it was once again a awfull experiance while reading the debian packaging guide
Jan 16 15:30:32 <keesj> How was the Qt new recieved around here?
Jan 16 15:30:57 <Jaffa> Mostly indifference, most people have GPL apps, so it's not much of a problem
Jan 16 15:32:26 <wazd> btw, if Qt is now opensource then Sony MyLo so too?
Jan 16 15:33:01 <Stskeeps> wazd: open source doesn't implicate having to open source your own program
Jan 16 15:33:02 <keesj> I makes me want to try it again(I always liked it)
Jan 16 15:33:02 <johnx> wazd, qt has been avaiable under a gpl and proprietary license since the late 90s
Jan 16 15:33:31 * Jaffa 's never liked the appearance of Qt apps
Jan 16 15:33:38 <johnx> Stskeeps, except with the GPL :)
Jan 16 15:33:58 <LopLiii> Hi all, johnx
Jan 16 15:34:00 <keesj> Jaffa: I do but I mainly liked the programming
Jan 16 15:34:08 <johnx> hi LopLiii
Jan 16 15:34:16 <LopLiii> :)
Jan 16 15:34:24 * mgedmin finds pygtk more pleasant to use than pyqt
Jan 16 15:38:54 <keesj> and FOSDEM anyone?
Jan 16 15:45:40 <Meiz_n810> mer-armel-roostrap fucked up dpkg >:(
Jan 16 15:45:49 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: i told you it was a bit special
Jan 16 15:46:38 <Meiz_n810> i'll try if installing the original libc6 helps...
Jan 16 15:46:49 <johnx> ag, were marquee plugins unthemed for you?
Jan 16 15:47:43 <Stskeeps> qwerty12, johnx, Meiz_n810, wazd, zenvoid, r2d2rogers, and others involved in Mer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint - Feel free to document your activities up till now, and commit to some of the tasks, or suggest new tasks we need to get a "proper" first image. and please update your activity logs so we can keep track of what Mer actually is right now, cos it's starting to be confusing :)
Jan 16 15:48:10 <Meiz_n810> johnx: i think theme-problem were my fault...
Jan 16 15:48:51 <lcuk> mgedmin, i find putting head in a blender a more pleasurable activity than either of your options ;)
Jan 16 15:50:24 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, re "Modern kernels, get newer kernels working with the 770, N8x0," - I've booted into diablo before with 2.6.28-rc9-omap1 - but it was little weird...
Jan 16 15:50:26 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: sweet, I just managed to see I havethe date working correctly now
Jan 16 15:50:47 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: yeah, it's also to figure out how much is needed to switch, etc
Jan 16 15:51:07 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: and just augment the page with your documentation on there and point to it in tasks / activity log
Jan 16 15:51:10 <wazd> qwerty12: freeze!
Jan 16 15:51:21 * qwerty12 puts his hands up. Now he can't type
Jan 16 15:51:29 <r2d2rogers> r2d2rogers: will do :)
Jan 16 15:51:35 <wazd> qwerty12: :P
Jan 16 15:51:40 <qwerty12> hehe :P
Jan 16 15:51:53 <keesj> Jaffa: and doing Mer Stuff?
Jan 16 15:51:56 <wazd> qwerty12: is it possible to add alpha-channel to windows borders in Mer?
Jan 16 15:52:01 <johnx> Stskeeps, alright. I'll start adding something to the activity log as I make changes
Jan 16 15:52:17 <wazd> qwerty12: to use semi-transparency, not stupid .gif-alike
Jan 16 15:52:28 <qwerty12> wazd, I have no idea sorry, theming & graphics are not my area :/
Jan 16 15:52:44 <wazd> Stskeeps: liar! :)
Jan 16 15:52:59 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, the property manager wants everybody to leave their faucets on a little so the pipes don't freeze tonight. 8°F. :(
Jan 16 15:53:00 <Stskeeps> wazd: damnit :P i would be really surprised if it isn't possible
Jan 16 15:53:41 <johnx> Stskeeps, wait, you mean the matchbox part?
Jan 16 15:53:43 <qwerty12> Do you mean hildon borders, btw?
Jan 16 15:53:47 <johnx> as in the title area?
Jan 16 15:53:48 <wazd> Stskeeps: it will add 500% coolness to Mer as we could do shadows and stuff
Jan 16 15:53:50 <Stskeeps> johnx: think so
Jan 16 15:54:07 <wazd> johnx: yep
Jan 16 15:54:12 <wazd> qwerty12: yep
Jan 16 15:54:16 <johnx> not that I've seen in matchbox
Jan 16 15:54:26 <qwerty12> ah
Jan 16 15:54:53 <johnx> that's not a hard and fast rule and also keep in mind that nokia is planning to use matchbox in maemo 5
Jan 16 15:54:59 <johnx> it's possible they're working on it
Jan 16 15:55:20 <johnx> wazd, so you want compositing, right?
Jan 16 15:55:53 <wazd> Johnx: I wan't smooth edges of the windows
Jan 16 15:56:29 <johnx> hmm
Jan 16 15:56:49 <johnx> so you want partial transparency in the parts that are rendered by matchbox, correct?
Jan 16 15:59:57 <lcuk> wazd, wouldnt that kind of compositing slow things down as a general rule?
Jan 16 16:00:20 <Stskeeps> lcuk: there's already some degree of compositing going on though
Jan 16 16:01:22 <lcuk> yeah i know some occurs
Jan 16 16:04:28 <wazd> lcuk: Well I definitely don't want it "at all costs" but if it's possible)
Jan 16 16:05:33 <lcuk> yeah
Jan 16 16:05:34 <wazd> lcuk: this trick will add much adore to the UI so if it won't add terrible lags then why not :)
Jan 16 16:06:16 <wazd> lcuk: you can finaly do proper shadows'n'stuff, not "hello win95" like in maemo now
Jan 16 16:06:46 <lcuk> i just thought window borders were minimal sized (due to low res)
Jan 16 16:12:06 <wazd> ok, gone to the pub, have fun everybody :)
Jan 16 16:12:14 <Stskeeps> have fun
Jan 16 16:12:17 <Stskeeps> my god, it's friday
Jan 16 16:12:35 <GeneralAntilles> Party!
Jan 16 16:12:36 <wazd> Stskeeps: yep, I got it when friend called :)
Jan 16 16:19:23 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: so you wanted to work on open system sounds?
Jan 16 16:22:23 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: oh, yes... sorry for being quiet, I'm busy in this moment...
Jan 16 16:22:34 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: hehe, it's fine :)
Jan 16 16:22:52 <zenvoid> I'm looking at the instructions to set up Mer in my computer (the tarbat image and sdk)
Jan 16 16:22:54 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: i put up a list of sounds and such on the mer blueprint, so just edit the tablet to show you're doing that part then, when you have time :)
Jan 16 16:23:13 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: k, - you can also do x86 chroot
Jan 16 16:24:46 <Stskeeps> using the imager
Jan 16 16:28:22 <zenvoid> ok, lets see if I understand correctly: all Mer packages are in launchpad, they are built with the autobuilders from bzr branches and uploaded into the repository...
Jan 16 16:29:18 <GeneralAntilles> Good lord FBReader's new icons are horrifying.
Jan 16 16:29:32 <Stskeeps> yeah, okay, that's the old one :P Most mer packages are in launchpad (except the very simple ones), all source is in repository. They are build by you making a source package for them and uploading them to the repository, and running a command on the repository server. Then, you to to #merbuilder on jaiku, write "build sourcepackage=version", and it builds and keeps the jaiku channel uploaded
Jan 16 16:29:33 <johnx> hmm?
Jan 16 16:29:39 <Stskeeps> -> zenvoid
Jan 16 16:29:40 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, it's a long tradition
Jan 16 16:30:04 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=258077#post258077
Jan 16 16:30:07 <GeneralAntilles> :shudder:
Jan 16 16:30:09 <Stskeeps> uploaded/updated
Jan 16 16:30:24 <Stskeeps> the built packages are put on the repository by the builder
Jan 16 16:30:34 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, you missed the 'yellow books' icons for the zaurus
Jan 16 16:31:01 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, not an aesthetically gifted bunch, then? :P
Jan 16 16:31:11 <GeneralAntilles> I'm going to have to accost MishaS nexttime he stops by.
Jan 16 16:31:30 <johnx> why not make some nice icons :P
Jan 16 16:31:31 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: ah, ok... supose that I want to build all of them (for armv4, for example)
Jan 16 16:31:51 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, the ones they've had since forever looked great to me.
Jan 16 16:31:54 <zenvoid> what I would need to do?
Jan 16 16:32:13 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: apt-get source each package, build in scratchbox, i guess
Jan 16 16:32:24 <zenvoid> ok
Jan 16 16:32:41 <Stskeeps> it wouldn't be my first project, but that's me
Jan 16 16:32:58 <zenvoid> :_)
Jan 16 16:33:14 <johnx> zenvoid, but keep in mind that ubuntu jaunty is armv5te and it's toolchain is probably setup to build armv5te binaries by default
Jan 16 16:33:37 <Stskeeps> johnx: SBOX_COMPILER_ARGS can handle that
Jan 16 16:33:50 <johnx> good to know :)
Jan 16 16:34:01 <johnx> zenvoid, is it an armv4 or armv4t?
Jan 16 16:35:54 <Stskeeps> sometimes i wonder if i speak more to the pizza guy than to some of my friends
Jan 16 16:36:07 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: targetting the freerunner? ;)
Jan 16 16:36:22 <johnx> Stskeeps, maybe it would just be more efficient to be friends with the pizza guy?
Jan 16 16:36:36 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 16 16:36:42 <zenvoid> yes, freerunner... sorry for my lag in the responses
Jan 16 16:36:56 <johnx> zenvoid, ah, ok armv4t I believe. thankfully
Jan 16 16:37:16 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: hehe, don't worry, sometimes there's half days lag on me and johnx's conversations when he is having a normal timezone ;)
Jan 16 16:37:51 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, so you're paying for friendship, then. ;)
Jan 16 16:38:08 <zenvoid> I just have a flood of conversations in pidgin (why all people always start talking at the same time????)
Jan 16 16:38:29 <GeneralAntilles> zenvoid, lag is normal. ;)
Jan 16 16:38:30 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: warming up for drinking tonight
Jan 16 16:38:46 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: well since my fianc�e isn't home to cook for me..
Jan 16 16:39:00 <johnx> Stskeeps, they're a little late. I'm already thinking about after-drinking snacks
Jan 16 16:39:28 <zenvoid> some time ago mentioned about porting mamo to the freerunner in the spanish openmoko mailing list
Jan 16 16:39:29 * GeneralAntilles ponders how good the INdT guys have it right now.
Jan 16 16:39:37 <zenvoid> many people there was interested
Jan 16 16:39:59 <johnx> zenvoid, should be doable with the mer packages. I was thinking about that, but I have no openmoko phone :)
Jan 16 16:40:09 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: can only be better than openmoko..
Jan 16 16:40:15 <GeneralAntilles> zenvoid, can you just yank the phone functionality out of whatever OpenMoko ships?
Jan 16 16:40:27 <zenvoid> johnx: I could try, I have one
Jan 16 16:40:29 <Stskeeps> yeah, is the phone driver redistributable?
Jan 16 16:40:42 <GeneralAntilles> I'd assume so.
Jan 16 16:40:42 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, you can just ignore it. it's connceted by serial port IIRC
Jan 16 16:40:59 <GeneralAntilles> Since open source and redistributability is a large part of why the hardware sucks so goddamn much. :P
Jan 16 16:41:27 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, well, I assume people might want to use the phone functionality of their phones. :P
Jan 16 16:41:45 <zenvoid> the FSO people work in something similar to maemo
Jan 16 16:41:59 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, aaah, you mean yank the software out of their distro, not yank the GSM module out of their hardware. got it
Jan 16 16:42:16 <zenvoid> thay have dbus and daemos for events, too bad it is not the same effort
Jan 16 16:42:33 <johnx> zenvoid, anyways, if I were you, I'd get debian booting on your openmoko (since ubuntu targets armv5), then just start compiling mer packages and seeing where they need to be changed to work in debian / armv4t
Jan 16 16:42:39 <johnx> sapwood is going to be a pain I bet
Jan 16 16:42:49 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, yes, brain surgery. :P
Jan 16 16:43:13 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, well I know you don't like hardware with GSM modules... :P
Jan 16 16:43:20 <zenvoid> most of them seem to compile
Jan 16 16:43:27 <zenvoid> at least from maemo diablo
Jan 16 16:43:32 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, rawr
Jan 16 16:43:47 * GeneralAntilles ponders chicken quesadillas for dinner.
Jan 16 16:44:01 <zenvoid> the freerunner needs its own xserver, though
Jan 16 16:44:19 <johnx> you could use a different computer for testing
Jan 16 16:44:24 <johnx> xephyr on the desktop for example
Jan 16 16:44:48 <zenvoid> take a look at this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO
Jan 16 16:44:52 <johnx> do they use something based on xfbdev?
Jan 16 16:45:24 <zenvoid> FSO is the base software for the freerunner (distro + daemons)
Jan 16 16:46:46 <zenvoid> look at software architecture and software components: very close to maemo/mer
Jan 16 16:46:59 <zenvoid> the have similar goals
Jan 16 16:47:13 <zenvoid> but different implementations :(
Jan 16 16:47:46 <johnx> very close to desktop linux, or angstrom.GPE, or poky linux, but in the end maemo has apps written for it, and they work well
Jan 16 16:48:03 <lardman> urgh, Friday afternoon meetings
Jan 16 16:48:38 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, sounds like an excellent opportunity to beat your Mahjong time.
Jan 16 16:48:46 <johnx> what we need is one popular platform that spans multiple devices, not multiple platforms on one device...
Jan 16 16:48:55 <zenvoid> johnx: yes, the openmoko software does not work very well, indeed
Jan 16 16:49:20 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, we'd be two years ahead of where we are now if that were the case. :(
Jan 16 16:49:42 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, yeah, but I don't see how we could have done it until right about now
Jan 16 16:50:08 <GeneralAntilles> If only we could get Nokia behind the idea.
Jan 16 16:50:23 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: nah, just been in one, and now have lots of Friday afternoon work to get done
Jan 16 16:51:28 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, meh. they've done enough. :) the n8x0 community hasn't splintered and now there is some real momentum behind maemo and it has a proper amount of mature bindings for toolkits and languages
Jan 16 16:51:52 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, well, get them to push Maemo for other manufacturers.
Jan 16 16:51:58 <zenvoid> I could help with the port to the freerunner... but first, let's try to do it in nokias ;-)
Jan 16 16:52:14 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, they won't. they're in the hardware game. :)
Jan 16 16:52:30 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, can vte be compiled on device (in Mer) fine?
Jan 16 16:52:51 <johnx> zenvoid, good, that's why I'm focusing on the n8x0 first, but I must say it works just fine on my zaurus. shouldn't be much porting, just making some ubuntu-targetted packages work right on debian
Jan 16 16:53:10 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, yeah, I know (Apple user, remember :P), but still. ;)
Jan 16 16:53:17 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: not libvte9 :/
Jan 16 16:53:23 <Stskeeps> and libvte4 is too old
Jan 16 16:53:28 <GeneralAntilles> Is johnx|zaurus running Mer?
Jan 16 16:53:32 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, "Apple should make the IPhone OS for my HTC Touch and it would be awesome." :D
Jan 16 16:53:48 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, ubuntu command line, but yes, from there I can get into mer
Jan 16 16:53:56 <zenvoid> johnx: what is the plan for alternative packages? For example, when a particular xserver is required in an architecture
Jan 16 16:54:08 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I want to compile vte9 with maemo changes. If I can't do it in your SDK or on device, it kinda makes "Working X-terminal with hildon input method working " sound like a far away dream.
Jan 16 16:54:25 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: well. the problem is a GDK thing we dont have
Jan 16 16:54:33 <Stskeeps> in maemo gtk
Jan 16 16:54:41 <Stskeeps> im not sure its cos we are 2.12 and not 2.14
Jan 16 16:54:50 <johnx> zenvoid, I think maybe a large mer-zaurus, mer-n8x0, mer-freerunner meta package might make sense. what do you think?
Jan 16 16:55:08 <zenvoid> johnx: OK
Jan 16 16:55:12 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: i do that kind of selection in imager really
Jan 16 16:55:25 <Stskeeps> and then using Provides:
Jan 16 16:55:33 <Stskeeps> (i have Mer on x86 going already, so)
Jan 16 16:55:50 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: right, sorry, - libvte4 compiles but crashes
Jan 16 16:56:03 <Stskeeps> libvte9 didn't compile when i tried
Jan 16 16:56:08 <Stskeeps> there's probably a logical reason why
Jan 16 16:56:16 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i'll gladly help you out with it though
Jan 16 16:56:17 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: could you please point me to the url to imager? :P
Jan 16 16:56:29 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: bzr checkout lp:~mer-committers/m-r/imager
Jan 16 16:56:40 <Stskeeps> i'm putting up a guide right now on wiki
Jan 16 16:56:46 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: thanks!
Jan 16 16:57:30 <zenvoid> (I will be away during an hour or so...)
Jan 16 16:59:27 <b-man> Stskeeps: how can i create a new directory with scp on http://trac.tspre.org/bman?
Jan 16 16:59:55 <johnx> b-man, login with ssh and mkdir
Jan 16 17:00:45 <b-man> how do i log in?, is it a similar prosess with scp?
Jan 16 17:01:02 <Stskeeps> yes
Jan 16 17:01:09 <Stskeeps> ssh bman@trac.tspre.org :)
Jan 16 17:01:18 <b-man> thanks :)
Jan 16 17:01:44 <Stskeeps> johnx: a zaurus target script could be useful too
Jan 16 17:01:46 * b-man writes that down on a note ;)
Jan 16 17:02:02 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Using_the_imager
Jan 16 17:02:59 <johnx> Stskeeps, agreed. I'll poke at it later tonight or tomorrow. trying to get my wii networked ... :/
Jan 16 17:03:55 * Stskeeps waits for the pizzaa
Jan 16 17:07:08 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, why doesn't NITboot work outright as "nit-kernel-compat" for Mer?
Jan 16 17:07:19 <qwerty12> (minus the paths which can be changed easily)
Jan 16 17:09:50 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: looking
Jan 16 17:11:37 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: two things, one - packaging ;), two - mnt/initfs/tmp needs to be bound to a tmpfs on /boot/tmp for the other scripts to pick it up
Jan 16 17:11:49 <Stskeeps> besides that..
Jan 16 17:11:59 <Stskeeps> also, dsmetool --root-mounted seems to be missing
Jan 16 17:12:32 <Stskeeps> besides that, that's it. it's basically i havent had time to do that so
Jan 16 17:12:54 <qwerty12> I guess the stlc45xx section will need to be changed too
Jan 16 17:13:06 <Stskeeps> yeah, just remove
Jan 16 17:13:17 <qwerty12> Do you set up wlan yourself later on?
Jan 16 17:13:21 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 16 17:13:25 <qwerty12> done ;)
Jan 16 17:14:04 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: oh, and it needs to be /sbin/tablet-init or whatever we decided, and then run init
Jan 16 17:14:31 <qwerty12> ok :)
Jan 16 17:15:07 <qwerty12> I'll probably do the basics and package it and then pass it over to someone who wants to check it and finish off anything I may have missed.
Jan 16 17:15:31 <Stskeeps> fair enough
Jan 16 17:22:59 <konttori> Andrewfblack: what's going on?
Jan 16 17:23:13 <konttori> you were asking something 4 hours ago
Jan 16 17:27:14 <b1ackdeath> whats the current status w/ mer if you dont mind me asking?
Jan 16 17:28:06 <GeneralAntilles> konttori, theme-maker generating source packages.
Jan 16 17:28:31 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, does http://pastebin.com/db48d91b look correct?
Jan 16 17:29:00 <qwerty12> oops, that should be /mnt/initfs/tmp instead of /mnt/tmp
Jan 16 17:29:03 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 16 17:29:06 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: mount --bind
Jan 16 17:29:12 <Stskeeps> i use normally
Jan 16 17:29:33 <qwerty12> Ah, I'll use  that but it shouldn't make a difference.
Jan 16 17:29:36 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 16 17:30:25 <Stskeeps> b1ackdeath: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=257883&postcount=900
Jan 16 17:30:30 <Stskeeps> remember to read the text
Jan 16 17:31:06 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, do you think -n option is necessary?
Jan 16 17:31:12 <konttori> GeneralAntilles: what about those?
Jan 16 17:31:36 <Stskeeps> konttori: basically that theme maker makes debs, not source packages :)
Jan 16 17:32:00 <konttori> Stskeeps: yeah. so, please tell me how to make source package for themes.
Jan 16 17:32:06 <konttori> I really don't know how.
Jan 16 17:32:49 <konttori> And also why it should make a source package.
Jan 16 17:32:56 <qwerty12> So you can upload to extras.
Jan 16 17:33:12 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Jan 16 17:33:19 <konttori> You can upload it to the non-free
Jan 16 17:33:55 <konttori> And anyway it's too difficult for a windows UI designer to upload it there.
Jan 16 17:34:06 <Stskeeps> true
Jan 16 17:34:12 <konttori> So, it's not like I would expect that to be any solution (the source package)
Jan 16 17:34:46 <qwerty12> Well, I presume the web uploader can be used instead of dput but I do see your point re source packages & windows.
Jan 16 17:34:54 <konttori> So, I would say that we should instead think of a nice way for a windows theme designer to be able to upload a deb to extras
Jan 16 17:35:01 <b1ackdeath> thanks Stskeeps iv already seen that post nvm i answered my own quistion
Jan 16 17:35:07 <konttori> you would still need the pgp key, right?
Jan 16 17:35:18 <konttori> and signed changes file
Jan 16 17:35:22 <Stskeeps> konttori: source package signing isnt needed anymore, i believe
Jan 16 17:35:25 <qwerty12> yep
Jan 16 17:35:45 <konttori> ok, well, that would be just fine then. So, how do I make the source package?
Jan 16 17:35:52 <qwerty12> With web interface, you need to have keys generated and put into garage profile but you aren't asked for the keys when uploading
Jan 16 17:36:00 <GeneralAntilles> konttori, you still need to move UKMP to free.
Jan 16 17:36:05 <konttori> I mean, currently I'm making the deb pretty much manually in theme maker.
Jan 16 17:36:20 <konttori> GeneralAntilles: I don't know how to make the source package of ukmp
Jan 16 17:36:36 <konttori> I did try once to figure it out, but ran out of patience.
Jan 16 17:37:03 <Stskeeps> i guess it might be problematic to construct a proper source package on windows
Jan 16 17:37:11 <Stskeeps> that's what i get for being a unix geek :)
Jan 16 17:37:15 <GeneralAntilles> konttori, plenty of knowledgeable people here. ;) Some, even, that I bet you could get to do it for you.
Jan 16 17:37:20 <konttori> qwerty12: getting pgp keys should then be optionally also be done at server side.
Jan 16 17:38:05 <konttori> Stskeeps: well, if you can instruct me properly on what to have in the file, I can surely make the java code that constructs the source package
Jan 16 17:38:15 <konttori> it's really not that different from the deb package, right?
Jan 16 17:38:27 <konttori> just the creation scripts are beyond me.
Jan 16 17:38:33 <Stskeeps> konttori: the "easy" way of a source package is a simple template tar.gz filling in some pieces that simply takes the contents of the theme and installs it
Jan 16 17:38:53 <Stskeeps> let me find a simple one..
Jan 16 17:39:20 <konttori> I mean, I'm now creating the deb pretty much that way in theme maker by using a tar library and the constructing the surrounding envelope of the two tar files.
Jan 16 17:39:57 <konttori> So, what is the difference from my POV from the full debian package and the source package.
Jan 16 17:40:24 <konttori> I will need to create both at the same time anyway, as devs need to be able to test out the theme as well.
Jan 16 17:41:47 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: easiest way to avoid my Makefile install thing and just install the contents?
Jan 16 17:41:50 <Stskeeps> in packages
Jan 16 17:41:53 <Stskeeps> kinda like your links stuff
Jan 16 17:42:55 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, yes, make a <packagename>.install with what you want to install and destination and place the file in debian and make sure dh_install is there in rules
Jan 16 17:43:54 <qwerty12> (worked for me before with solmumaha's knots but I left the folder it got the files from as usr/ etc)
Jan 16 17:44:05 <Stskeeps> konttori: i'll return to you at some point with a template package you can use to make it :)
Jan 16 17:44:19 <Stskeeps> then you just search for certain strings and replace them with contents, and dump in the theme contents
Jan 16 17:44:27 <Khertan_n810_98> Hello
Jan 16 17:44:39 <konttori> Sounds doable. I'll definitely try to investigate that possibility.
Jan 16 17:44:42 <Andrewfblack> so we get this theme maker extra thing figured out yet?
Jan 16 17:44:53 <Stskeeps> the "right" way is taking a hildon-layout-4 and basing on that, but im not sure if that is how your theme maker is designed :)
Jan 16 17:44:54 <konttori> Andrewfblack: not yet.
Jan 16 17:45:10 <Khertan_n810_98> 1/ Someone know a web irc client better than mibbit ?
Jan 16 17:45:16 <konttori> Stskeeps: what do you mean basing on that?
Jan 16 17:45:50 <Stskeeps> konttori: well, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/ , look at wallpaper/ and template/
Jan 16 17:46:00 <konttori> Well, getting to know the structure of the package, what is the format, what kind of checksums of the internal files I need to create and so on.
Jan 16 17:46:02 <Khertan_n810_98> konttori: do you autorize me to fork your theme NuvoPearl ?
Jan 16 17:46:11 <konttori> Khertan_n810_98: be my guest!
Jan 16 17:46:15 <konttori> that's the idea.
Jan 16 17:46:25 <Khertan_n810_98> :)
Jan 16 17:46:39 <Andrewfblack> Khertan_n810 if you want to host it there are some good ones but mibbit is really the best
Jan 16 17:46:48 <Khertan_n810_98> i don t use theme maker :) just changing some things i found annoying
Jan 16 17:47:00 <konttori> Khertan_n810_98: sure.
Jan 16 17:47:20 <Khertan_n810_98> Andrewfblack: mibbit is really slow on nit
Jan 16 17:47:22 <Andrewfblack> I would say just about all of my themes have a little Nuvo in them still
Jan 16 17:47:57 <Khertan_n810_98> konttori: of course it ll be gpl:)
Jan 16 17:48:09 <konttori> nuvo is not gpl
Jan 16 17:48:16 <konttori> cc
Jan 16 17:48:22 <Andrewfblack> Khertan_n810 you can look up CGI:IRC and there is one you can hold on your web server it used to be real good
Jan 16 17:48:22 <Khertan_n810_98> ? public ?
Jan 16 17:48:29 <Stskeeps> Khertan_n810_98: creative commons
Jan 16 17:48:32 <Khertan_n810_98> so it ll stay cc
Jan 16 17:49:16 <Khertan_n810_98> andrewfblack cgi:irc have bug ... when i m disconnected it never disconnect tghe irc session
Jan 16 17:49:48 <Khertan_n810_98> so many clone stay :)
Jan 16 17:49:51 <konttori> Stskeeps: are the deb src packages also AR envelopes?
Jan 16 17:50:36 <qwerty12> a source package is basically a tar.gz with a debian folder inside with the rules etc
Jan 16 17:50:48 <Andrewfblack> Khertan_n810 the bad thing is most the web irc clients have gone Java now so out of luck on tablet
Jan 16 17:50:50 <Khertan_n810_98> for example Khertan_n810 is a clone he is here since 1 months
Jan 16 17:51:08 <Khertan_n810_98> andrewfblack yep
Jan 16 17:51:53 <konttori> so, does it have data.tar.gz inside and a debian.tar.gz?
Jan 16 17:52:00 <qwerty12> no
Jan 16 17:52:12 <Stskeeps> konttori: it's more like a recipe on how to make one
Jan 16 17:52:16 <Khertan_n810_98> nope
Jan 16 17:52:17 <Andrewfblack> is the name registered?  Most servers have a way to kick a clone if you have the name registered
Jan 16 17:52:31 <konttori> Ah, so it's only the data.tar.gz and inside it is the debian folder with the rules?
Jan 16 17:52:40 <konttori> And there is no control.tar.gz
Jan 16 17:53:01 <qwerty12> konttori, here's a source package I made for a simple game I ported: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/p/pipepanic/
Jan 16 17:53:12 <Khertan_n810_98> if you want to make src package for autobuilder you can try py2deb :k
Jan 16 17:53:33 <qwerty12> ignore the use of quilt, just look at the structure etc
Jan 16 17:54:13 <Khertan_n810_98> or just look at the code to port it in java for theme maker
Jan 16 17:54:26 <konttori> so, the rouce package is *JUST* the tar file?
Jan 16 17:55:52 <konttori> ok, now I see the tar file and it contains tons of stuff in the debian folder. what is the bare minimun amount of files in there?
Jan 16 17:56:14 <lcuk> thank f**k its friday
Jan 16 17:56:30 <b-man> hehe
Jan 16 17:56:30 <qwerty12> lcuk, seconded :)
Jan 16 17:57:02 <b-man> day off for me :D
Jan 16 17:57:58 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm quesadillas.
Jan 16 17:58:14 <konttori> and how can I recycle my data.tar.gz file? Can I use the rules to just directly install that as-is to the debian file?
Jan 16 17:59:06 <johnx> konttori, bare minimum is: control, rules and changelog
Jan 16 17:59:39 <konttori> and the control file content is the same as the binary packages control file, right?
Jan 16 17:59:53 <konttori> (as is preinst, postinst)
Jan 16 18:00:11 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/d1a503f59 (and diff - http://pastebin.com/d58318c53). Let me know what's wrong and missing and I'll fix that and package the script up.
Jan 16 18:00:16 <johnx> konttori, control is not quite the same, because it has a source section that tells the build depends
Jan 16 18:00:35 <konttori> well, this doesn't have any depends
Jan 16 18:00:40 <johnx> in your case you won't have build depends
Jan 16 18:00:52 <lcuk> konttori, dont let qwerty make your postinst
Jan 16 18:00:55 <qwerty12> minus debhelper
Jan 16 18:00:58 <johnx> why not look at the debian package for the plankton theme from debian
Jan 16 18:01:04 <konttori> sure, but I would still need to add that section to the control file?
Jan 16 18:01:14 <johnx> yes
Jan 16 18:01:28 <johnx> and qwerty12 is right, debhelper is a build-depend you need
Jan 16 18:01:41 <konttori> ok, so can I keep the source section on the binary file as well?
Jan 16 18:01:51 <qwerty12> Stslap, did you get the pastebin links?
Jan 16 18:02:05 <johnx> no, they'll use different control files, dpkg-buildpackage does this
Jan 16 18:02:18 <johnx> right, but you want to do this on windows...hmm
Jan 16 18:03:08 <konttori> Well, I looked at the pipepanics control file and that does not have any source section
Jan 16 18:03:25 <johnx> there is a top part and a bottom part separated by a newline
Jan 16 18:03:47 <johnx> the top part is the source part, the bottom part is the info about the binary package to be created
Jan 16 18:03:47 <qwerty12> The first 6 lines of the control file is the source section in pipepanic
Jan 16 18:03:48 <konttori> Well, I can create two different control files, not a problem.
Jan 16 18:04:03 <konttori> I just wanted to take a shortcut if it was possible to keep the same file for binary and source
Jan 16 18:04:06 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: does root-mounted actually do anything?
Jan 16 18:04:30 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, hah, I have no idea. I just added it in because you said to do so.
Jan 16 18:04:31 <johnx> you can derive the binary one from the source one
Jan 16 18:04:50 <konttori> well, I have the binary one already, so that's not an issue
Jan 16 18:05:07 <johnx> but you want to make it automatically from now on, right?
Jan 16 18:05:18 <johnx> s/it/both/
Jan 16 18:05:31 <konttori> yeah, both from now on.
Jan 16 18:05:52 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i just wonder what it does
Jan 16 18:06:11 <johnx> konttori, http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/h/hildon-theme-plankton/
Jan 16 18:06:19 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, If you really want to find out, I could run a strace from initfs.
Jan 16 18:06:29 <johnx> that should be what you need, or close enough
Jan 16 18:07:06 <johnx> you may need to tweak versions of dependencies to match diablo
Jan 16 18:07:40 <konttori> johnx: so, what should I do with the rules file?
Jan 16 18:07:56 <konttori> I only want to install the data.tar.gz that I have as it is.
Jan 16 18:08:39 <johnx> konttori, the rules file tells dpkg-buildpackage how to arrange the files for the data.tar.gz
Jan 16 18:09:13 <johnx> normally it also has compiling instructions like './configure --disable-foo ; make'
Jan 16 18:09:16 <konttori> so, as it is already just fine, what do I need to do?
Jan 16 18:10:00 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, but anyway, disregarding the root-mounted stuff, is there anything wrong?
Jan 16 18:10:32 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: missing call to init
Jan 16 18:10:49 * johnx looks at the link he pasted
Jan 16 18:10:55 <konttori> I would definitely figure it out by myself with enough time, but I'm really stretched thin atm.
Jan 16 18:11:05 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, Yeah, forgot about that one. Can I just call /sbin/init straight or do I need special foo?
Jan 16 18:11:18 <Stslap> qwerty12: use 'exec'
Jan 16 18:11:22 <johnx> konttori, source packages for themes will help mer too, so give me a sec :)
Jan 16 18:11:31 <qwerty12> Stslap, yep, just thought of that one :)
Jan 16 18:11:51 <qwerty12> Stslap, but apart from that, init doesn't need any arguments?
Jan 16 18:12:48 <johnx> konttori, ok, hildon-theme-plankton was not a great example if you want the quick way
Jan 16 18:13:00 <konttori> johnx: thanks. And this is a good time to make the change before I branch to make the fremantle changes
Jan 16 18:14:04 <konttori> It would actually be pretty nice to add the option to theme maker to just directly upload the package to the web form.
Jan 16 18:14:17 <konttori> but that's probably not worth the time to code it
Jan 16 18:14:19 * Stskeeps dls theme maker to actually try it
Jan 16 18:14:32 <johnx> konttori, so if I was doing this, here's what I'd do: have two folders at the same level: data/ and debian/
Jan 16 18:15:00 <johnx> under data will be data/usr/share/themes/theme-foo/*
Jan 16 18:16:01 <konttori> well, I'm writing the stuff slightly differently on the file system, but I'm fixing the urls when creating the tar file (manually of course).
Jan 16 18:16:26 <johnx> ok, but I'll just use this as an example
Jan 16 18:16:42 <konttori> johnx: sure, I can fake that structure anyway when I make the tar, so yeah, good start. thanks.
Jan 16 18:16:52 <Stslap> qwerty12: '2'
Jan 16 18:16:53 <Stslap> as parameter
Jan 16 18:16:58 * b-man starts making a Ubuntu-9.04-N8x0-rootfs.tar.gz tarball to make things simpler for everyone
Jan 16 18:17:01 <qwerty12> Stslap, ok.
Jan 16 18:17:03 <johnx> in your debian/rules file just have the install part be:
Jan 16 18:17:06 <johnx> mkdir -p debian/hildon-theme-foo/
Jan 16 18:17:15 <Stslap> b-man: just dont put it on trac if its ok :) low bw
Jan 16 18:17:26 <johnx> mv data/usr debian/hildon-theme-foo/
Jan 16 18:17:31 <b-man> hehe
Jan 16 18:18:06 <johnx> konttori, do you have access to a debian/ubuntu machine or vm to make an initial copy of the package structure?
Jan 16 18:18:12 * b-man needs to think of a different mirror for ubuntu :)
Jan 16 18:18:28 <konttori> johnx: I can boot ubuntu in vmware
Jan 16 18:18:52 <johnx> konttori, great. are you working on this right now? or just looking for ideas right now?
Jan 16 18:19:05 <b-man> enyone have plenty of server space? :)
Jan 16 18:19:27 <konttori> I'm taking notes to a txt file
Jan 16 18:19:36 <b-man> 140mb*
Jan 16 18:20:00 <konttori> I'm having a bad cold so I might not have the strength to actually pull this off today
Jan 16 18:20:04 <johnx> konttori, if you have the time it might be quicker if I walk you through it, that way you can be sure it will actually work too, instead of me saying things I think work
Jan 16 18:20:17 <johnx> ah, then no worries
Jan 16 18:20:45 <konttori> so, on the rules file, how much can I clean it up?
Jan 16 18:21:01 <johnx> you can clean out most of it
Jan 16 18:21:14 <konttori> as in actually everything but those two lines?
Jan 16 18:21:36 <johnx> hmm
Jan 16 18:21:55 <johnx> probably not
Jan 16 18:22:16 <johnx> actually, why don't I start you with a dummy package and you can drop files into it. even if things are a little different it should give you a good place to start
Jan 16 18:23:35 <konttori> johnx: if you can make a package that just puts one file to certain folder. I can take the script the further to install the icons, themes and such.
Jan 16 18:24:05 <konttori> johnx: that would be so great. thanks!
Jan 16 18:24:18 <johnx> alright, I'll just go with my example from earlier. should be quicker to do then trying to explain over IRC :)
Jan 16 18:24:30 <konttori> true enough!
Jan 16 18:24:47 <johnx> and once you see how it's structured you'll have an idea of what's going on I think
Jan 16 18:24:50 <qwerty12> Stskeeps,  nit-kernel-compat packaged.
Jan 16 18:24:50 <konttori> and expecially to a non debian guy like me.
Jan 16 18:24:54 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: thanks!
Jan 16 18:24:57 <konttori> yeah, should not be an issue
Jan 16 18:25:06 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, I'll need you to test out the script properly though :)
Jan 16 18:25:22 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: hehe, yeah, i have a flashable tablet at work
Jan 16 18:25:46 <Stskeeps> konttori: so what your theme maker basically does is take a png, slice all the icons into the right pngs and such, possibly edit some things in gtk, and output a zip with the compiled theme?
Jan 16 18:25:47 <konttori> johnx: can I actually put a tar inside that source tar and just untar that?
Jan 16 18:26:01 <Stskeeps> gtkrc, i mean
Jan 16 18:26:19 <johnx> technically yes...but why? why not just have the right fs structure in the source tar?
Jan 16 18:26:55 <Stskeeps> johnx: more clean maybe
Jan 16 18:27:06 <konttori> Stskeeps: essentially that
Jan 16 18:27:27 <johnx> just drop it under data/ or similar
Jan 16 18:27:39 <konttori> johnx: well, I have the correct structure in the binary debian files data tar file.
Jan 16 18:27:48 <konttori> so, I'm just considering recycling it as-is.
Jan 16 18:28:03 <johnx> right, so when I give you this source package, just untar into it and then tar it back up
Jan 16 18:28:07 <konttori> so, I'll first build the binary package and then use that to create the source package
Jan 16 18:28:07 <Stskeeps> konttori: ah :) the source package i showed you earlier does exactly that using hildon-theme-layout-4 when compiled
Jan 16 18:28:54 <konttori> Stskeeps: so that which contains the data folder.
Jan 16 18:29:22 <Stskeeps> konttori: btw, Icon-Template.png in your theme maker, is that CC too?
Jan 16 18:29:30 <qwerty12> konttori, btw, here's an example of a very simple package I just did: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/%20nit-kernel-compat-0.1.tar
Jan 16 18:29:33 <konttori> yeah, except that it assumes that the data folder is a fs , but I suggested it to be a data.tar, that will get extracted then in rules file as the file structure
Jan 16 18:29:47 <konttori> thanks!
Jan 16 18:30:38 <qwerty12> In that one, I get dh_install to do the work so it reads the install file to see where the files should be read from and placed
Jan 16 18:30:57 <konttori> qwerty12: thanks!
Jan 16 18:31:54 <Stskeeps> johnx: seems like we can basically do a cp of the .png in a thememaker deb and shove it into a hildon-layout btw
Jan 16 18:32:07 <Stskeeps> er, hildon-theme-4 using source package
Jan 16 18:32:31 <konttori> Hmm.... ok. so, if I'll put all the data into the data folder, in the form of data/usr/share... like johnx suggested. and then I take your base tar qwerty, then that should do the trick, right? (well, and add postinst, prerm files)
Jan 16 18:32:51 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, nit-kernel-compat sent to builder. Only disclaimer I have is that I leave the script testing to you :)
Jan 16 18:32:53 <Stslap> and edit the debian/install file listing where the files should do
Jan 16 18:32:57 <Stslap> qwerty12: fair enough
Jan 16 18:33:50 <konttori> Stslap:  so, I'll just need to iterate the file locations to the install file. Sure. WIll do. thanks!
Jan 16 18:33:52 <qwerty12> konttori, yep, like Stslap said. I assume that you will have the files under data/usr so the debian/install file should look something like "data/usr /usr"
Jan 16 18:34:13 <johnx> qwerty12, ah, neat trick. I always did that in rules :)
Jan 16 18:34:38 <johnx> debhelper has been teaching me poorly
Jan 16 18:36:06 <johnx> so if this is sorted out then I guess I'll stop working on this for now and actually get some sleep for once :)
Jan 16 18:37:04 <Andrewfblack> Konttori you see my message on Google?
Jan 16 18:38:03 <konttori> Andrewfblack: not yet. it's on my n800
Jan 16 18:38:08 <konttori> i'll take a look
Jan 16 18:42:06 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: btw, your themes, how do your configuration settings look for them, within theme maker?
Jan 16 18:42:32 <Stskeeps> for example MerEcho
Jan 16 18:52:45 <Stslap> qwerty12: source code looks fine, feel free to mark it 90% at some point and write Needs Testing :P
Jan 16 18:53:15 <qwerty12> Stslap, cool. I fell into the binary-arch trap, I need to fix that so that the builder will produce a deb :)
Jan 16 18:53:21 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 16 18:53:47 <Stskeeps> being able to flash rootfs and kernel will be a bonus :)
Jan 16 18:56:14 <qwerty12> damn, I fixed it but the builder produced a deb anyway (despite saying there's been errors in the logs :P)
Jan 16 18:56:43 <qwerty12> Ah well, a correct rules file can't hurt :)
Jan 16 18:56:50 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 16 18:59:58 <konttori> Stskeeps: check teh
Jan 16 19:00:07 <konttori> the about.txt
Jan 16 19:00:17 <konttori> NuvoPearl template image is copyright Urho Konttori under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 - <urho.konttori@gmail.com>
Jan 16 19:00:46 <gnuton> Hi people
Jan 16 19:00:50 <Stskeeps> konttori: oh, i wasn't talking about NuvoPearl-template.png, i was speaking of Icon-Template.png
Jan 16 19:01:00 <Stskeeps> cos those look very like the ones we have on the tablets
Jan 16 19:01:00 <konttori> Oh. Lemme have a look
Jan 16 19:01:26 <konttori> oh, the icon template is as illegal as it gets
Jan 16 19:01:32 <Stskeeps> just checking ;)
Jan 16 19:01:51 <konttori> I'll make a proper cc version of it.
Jan 16 19:02:00 <Stskeeps> sounds good :)
Jan 16 19:02:11 <konttori> don't you just hate when companies won't release all the art under creative commons
Jan 16 19:02:37 <Stskeeps> i kinda understand it sometimes.. until i see the themes and imagery people can come up with, just in this channel
Jan 16 19:03:59 <konttori> Anyway, I'll try to render a globe in some 3d app. and then I'll take a look if I can use ubuntu iconography for the connecting people part
Jan 16 19:04:10 <konttori> the contacts icons I mean.
Jan 16 19:04:29 <konttori> Hmm... I could as well just make those in 3d as well though.
Jan 16 19:04:45 <Stslap> we have the very pretty plankton icons currently, so ;)
Jan 16 19:14:38 <Stskeeps> wtf @ itt
Jan 16 19:14:39 <Stskeeps> For Sale: 770 for parts; bad LCD. Dog tried to eat it.
Jan 16 19:16:08 <qwerty12_N800> I like the selling the dog line :)
Jan 16 19:19:11 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps Just got back what about my config files were you asking?
Jan 16 19:19:23 <zenvoid> I think the dog is not included in the pack :)
Jan 16 19:19:41 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: well, what settings you use in theme maker
Jan 16 19:20:25 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps One sec let me boot into my wnidows partition and I'll tell you
Jan 16 19:20:47 <Andrewfblack> want me to just screenshot the screen?
Jan 16 19:20:49 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: btw, providing mer x86-generic target for insane people wanting to try and make it bootable
Jan 16 19:20:56 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: yeah - its just if you even change anything
Jan 16 19:21:22 <Andrewfblack> well I keep my top bar at 60 for both home view and appication view for one thing
Jan 16 19:21:53 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, hehe :P
Jan 16 19:22:20 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: (i have it booting at work. we just demoed a mer-based system at a hospital thursday)
Jan 16 19:22:50 <Andrewfblack> dang i forgot I can open theme maker from my windows drive in linux ohh well 5 more mins of booting lol
Jan 16 19:23:20 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, wow, that is an exciting use of Mer :)
Jan 16 19:23:59 <Stskeeps> it doesnt use hildon (but it does use gtk + themes) but we exploit the small size and complete control over the distro
Jan 16 19:24:28 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps Basicly I use Top Bar Height 60 and for font sizes I normally use system 12.75 Large 16 and Title 14.75 only one I change is Large for the most part
Jan 16 19:24:38 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: alright
Jan 16 19:25:12 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: mer-x86 generic is 489m
Jan 16 19:25:17 <Andrewfblack> Also I check maximize application view size
Jan 16 19:25:29 <LinuxCode> Stskeeps, sell your dog mate
Jan 16 19:25:30 <LinuxCode> hehe
Jan 16 19:25:35 <Stskeeps> LinuxCode: not my dog
Jan 16 19:25:38 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 16 19:25:41 <Andrewfblack> Khertan_n810_98 you here
Jan 16 19:25:45 <LinuxCode> I know..i know!
Jan 16 19:25:53 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, shit. i always knew x86 was a whore compared to arm :p
Jan 16 19:26:27 <LinuxCode> Stskeeps, wait for the x52 or whatever the model is
Jan 16 19:26:43 <LinuxCode> before you buy something else new
Jan 16 19:26:53 <LinuxCode> but I bet you got a n8x0 as well ?
Jan 16 19:26:57 <Stskeeps> i have a n8x0..
Jan 16 19:27:15 <LinuxCode> k
Jan 16 19:27:43 <LinuxCode> btw any of you know what happened to the uae4all project ?
Jan 16 19:27:54 <LinuxCode> is that still alive ?
Jan 16 19:28:22 <LinuxCode> somebody was making a port
Jan 16 19:28:32 <LinuxCode> to N8x0
Jan 16 19:28:35 * lcuk tells Chuck Norris that LinuxCode spat in his drink
Jan 16 19:29:14 * LinuxCode smears cat smell on lcuk and lets Stskeeps' dog take a sniff
Jan 16 19:29:19 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Jan 16 19:29:21 <Stskeeps> i don't have a dog!
Jan 16 19:29:26 <LinuxCode> Stskeeps, ohh
Jan 16 19:29:26 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 16 19:29:33 <LinuxCode> so it wasnt your n7xx then
Jan 16 19:29:43 <LinuxCode> lcuk, come to Bristol zoo please
Jan 16 19:29:48 <LinuxCode> they have lions...
Jan 16 19:29:53 <LinuxCode> that will do the trick
Jan 16 19:30:06 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 16 19:30:07 <LinuxCode> hi lcuk ;-D
Jan 16 19:30:07 * lcuk goes to kenya
Jan 16 19:30:12 <LinuxCode> haha
Jan 16 19:30:19 <LinuxCode> that might be even better yes!
Jan 16 19:30:32 <r2d2rogers> \o/ just made my first bzr commit to lp!
Jan 16 19:30:35 <lcuk> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/
Jan 16 19:30:41 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: woo
Jan 16 19:30:42 <lcuk> how you doin lc
Jan 16 19:30:53 <LinuxCode> lcuk, im fine thanks...yourself ?
Jan 16 19:31:12 <LinuxCode> lcuk, remember the badger stuff ?
Jan 16 19:31:17 <LinuxCode> thats the same voice
Jan 16 19:31:22 <LinuxCode> probably the same dev too
Jan 16 19:31:33 <lcuk> im ok, had a long week  gonna have a long weekend as well, but hoping to get this lib into good enough shape to start alpha testing it
Jan 16 19:31:39 <lcuk> yeah tis
Jan 16 19:31:51 <LinuxCode> lcuk, for your project ?
Jan 16 19:31:56 <LinuxCode> how is that going anyway ?
Jan 16 19:33:00 <lcuk> it stopped entirely whilst i did a load of learning about libraries and apis and stuff :) ive broken it up and am putting everything into nice little stand alone apps - the idea being i can write my apps and others can use/modify/take the lib and use for their things as well :)
Jan 16 19:35:34 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps: You seen anything in MerEcho you want to change?
Jan 16 19:35:48 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: i didn't try it on Mer recently
Jan 16 19:36:04 <Andrewfblack> ok
Jan 16 19:36:07 <Stskeeps> the reason i asked was because of how to include themes sanely
Jan 16 19:38:42 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps How are you going to include them?
Jan 16 19:38:59 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: there's two ways. did you ever see the source package for the plankton theme?
Jan 16 19:39:41 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps Nope
Jan 16 19:40:46 <Stskeeps> basically, based on a layout package, the source package, when compiled, slices the template.png into all the .pngs and such
Jan 16 19:40:54 <Stskeeps> and generates the gtkrc files and such
Jan 16 19:41:01 <Stskeeps> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-theme-plankton/
Jan 16 19:41:18 <Stskeeps> then there's the lazy way where we do it once and just have a deb package storing it all
Jan 16 19:41:21 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 16 19:42:33 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps ok
Jan 16 19:43:31 <Stskeeps> wb b-man
Jan 16 19:43:43 <b-man> hello
Jan 16 19:45:20 * Stskeeps builds dsme-tools
Jan 16 19:45:24 * b-man is still  looking for a place to upload 140mb ubuntu rootfs to
Jan 16 19:45:52 <Stskeeps> b-man: give me a place to dl it from and i'll put it somewhere nice
Jan 16 19:45:58 <Stskeeps> but just this version
Jan 16 19:46:28 <b-man> ok, thanks! :D
Jan 16 19:46:38 <zenvoid> b-man, I have space
Jan 16 19:47:22 <b-man> ok, how can i send it? (in a fast, sain way)
Jan 16 19:47:34 <Stskeeps> b-man: rapidshare and then i can grab it
Jan 16 19:47:37 <Stskeeps> i guess
Jan 16 19:47:51 <Stskeeps> maybe too big file
Jan 16 19:48:00 <b-man> yes :)
Jan 16 19:48:08 <Andrewfblack> b-man I can give you access to the ftp server that hosts Easy Debian if you want
Jan 16 19:48:18 <b-man> shure
Jan 16 19:48:30 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: how big is that tar.gz these days?
Jan 16 19:48:52 <b-man> but i'll need to figure out how to upload/acsess it :)
Jan 16 19:49:09 <Andrewfblack> I think around 150mb not sure I don't keep up with how much space qole uses anymore lol
Jan 16 19:49:14 <Andrewfblack> you got an ftp client
Jan 16 19:49:21 <Stskeeps> b-man: i like UltraFXP
Jan 16 19:49:25 <Stskeeps> for ftp purposes
Jan 16 19:49:30 <b-man> maemo ftp
Jan 16 19:49:40 <zenvoid> b-man: try this http://www.sendspace.com
Jan 16 19:49:58 <Stskeeps> b-man: true, you use your tablet exclusively
Jan 16 19:50:07 <Andrewfblack> pm me a user name and password and I'll set you up with about 500gb of HD space and 6TB of Transfer a month lol
Jan 16 19:50:22 * qwerty12_N800 pimps hildonized gftp
Jan 16 19:50:24 <b-man> yes, for now, untill i get my laptop :)
Jan 16 19:50:41 <Andrewfblack> qwerty12_N800 Yeah I got gftp lastnight it rocks
Jan 16 19:51:11 <qwerty12_N800> Andrewfblack, hehe, yerga did some wicked stuff with it :)
Jan 16 19:52:45 <Andrewfblack> btw Qwerty I'm not shutting maemobox all the way down just scaled it back.  You can keep using it now new people just have to tell me what project its for so they don't use it for personal websites and suck
Jan 16 19:53:17 * b-man starts looking for his maemoftp deb somewhere on one of several partitions on his mmcs
Jan 16 19:53:19 <Andrewfblack> Going to setup a donation thing for it to only costs be about 30 dollars a month but any donations people make would help lol
Jan 16 19:53:33 <Stskeeps> b-man: there's also gftp it seems like
Jan 16 19:53:52 <qwerty12_N800> Andrewfblack, w00t! Thanks :)
Jan 16 19:54:05 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps if you need any hosting for any Mer stuff let me know also and i'll set you up
Jan 16 19:54:18 <b-man> can i get it va apt? or do i need to look for it :)
Jan 16 19:54:34 <qwerty12_N800> it's in extras
Jan 16 19:54:37 <Stskeeps> Andrewfblack: hehe, i have a good contact in reverse.net :)
Jan 16 19:55:33 <Andrewfblack> lol ok
Jan 16 19:56:38 <Andrewfblack> qwerty12_N800 every since I shut down that ad site someone was running on Maemobox I'm using aton less resources
Jan 16 19:57:03 <b-man> ah, finally found it :) installing...
Jan 16 19:57:12 <qwerty12_N800> Andrewfblack, urgh, what a way to take advantage :(
Jan 16 19:57:52 <Andrewfblack> yeah and I was only watching peoples transfer and storage but his script was killing my system memory.  Which is why we couldn't get on ftp for a litte while
Jan 16 19:58:34 <Andrewfblack> I'll put it this way I took it from over 200 members to 5 members including you and now new people are going to have to explain why they want access kinda like garage
Jan 16 19:59:07 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Jan 16 20:01:55 <Andrewfblack> one day I'll get off my lazy but and make a new site.
Jan 16 20:03:08 <Andrewfblack> btw if anyone has use for the doamin tabletos.org I have given up on that project and would allow you use to use the domain until it expires
Jan 16 20:03:58 <ian_at_synth> hi all.
Jan 16 20:04:03 <Stskeeps> wello
Jan 16 20:04:12 <qwerty12_N800> hi
Jan 16 20:04:28 <ian_at_synth> i hear you guys need some themes w/ source packages or something?
Jan 16 20:04:47 <ian_at_synth> have you seen the new ones we put on extras-devel
Jan 16 20:04:53 <qwerty12_N800> Are you one of the LCARS guys? :)
Jan 16 20:05:02 <ian_at_synth> yes, i do the graphics, leif does packaging
Jan 16 20:05:21 <qwerty12_N800> Wicked, I'm using platinum atm
Jan 16 20:05:28 <ian_at_synth> tritanium you mean? heh
Jan 16 20:05:43 <Stskeeps> ian_at_synth: so you use theme maker or hildon-theme-layout-4 and slicers?
Jan 16 20:05:46 <Andrewfblack> you guys released some new themes?
Jan 16 20:06:12 <qwerty12_N800> ian_at_synth, Hehe, I knew I got it wrong >.<. thanks for the theme!
Jan 16 20:06:23 <ian_at_synth> we use a modified version of hildon-theme-layout-4, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-theme-layout-4-synth/
Jan 16 20:06:32 <ian_at_synth> no thememaker
Jan 16 20:06:43 <Stskeeps> synth, interesting
Jan 16 20:06:46 <Stskeeps> what are the changes?
Jan 16 20:07:20 <ian_at_synth> we added graphics for browser controls, so that they don't have to use the graphics used throughout the rest of the theme
Jan 16 20:07:36 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Jan 16 20:07:52 <ian_at_synth> also, we have different graphics for the home statusbar thing, so that our themes identify the device. i.e. rx-34, rx-44 etc
Jan 16 20:08:28 <ian_at_synth> anyhow, i'd love to see my stuff used in mer
Jan 16 20:08:49 <ian_at_synth> and i think these new themes would be more suited for that, as opposed to the lcars colors :D
Jan 16 20:09:02 <Stskeeps> aw, i had thought about making LCARS the main theme.. ;)
Jan 16 20:09:27 <Stskeeps> we welcome any contributions :)
Jan 16 20:09:43 <ian_at_synth> well we have source up, so have at em if you want
Jan 16 20:09:50 * qwerty12_N800 loves tritanium. A theme that doesn't burn out my eyes when using my tablet in the dark :)
Jan 16 20:10:09 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i usually use turning the brightness up to wake up in the mornings :P
Jan 16 20:10:14 <b-man> Andrewfblack, hold on, allmost done packing up the rootfs (98.3% done)
Jan 16 20:10:32 <ian_at_synth> that was the goal. i've heard the general say that the lcars themes are the greatest themes for any device ever, except he can't be seen w/ them in public. so i made these :)
Jan 16 20:10:42 <Andrewfblack> ok just give me some ftp login info for you in PM and I'll set you up
Jan 16 20:11:04 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, hehe, I wish this had vibration for that :)
Jan 16 20:11:45 <Stskeeps> ian_at_synth: so, tritanium, meta, okuda, kobayashi?
Jan 16 20:12:12 <Andrewfblack> ian_at_synth I will as a theme designer admit you guys blow me out of the water
Jan 16 20:13:12 <ian_at_synth> yep, those are the three new ones, sts. all 7 of our themes are on extras-devel tho. anyhow, we're actually going to rebuild the 3 new themes before promoting to extras-proper, but the only change will be the package icons (right now they still have the starfleet logo, even though they aren't really trek themes)
Jan 16 20:13:37 <ian_at_synth> thanks andrew :) nice to have options tho, glad i'm not the only one doing this stuff
Jan 16 20:14:20 <Andrewfblack> shit I like tritanium better then I like my MerEcho
Jan 16 20:14:30 <Stskeeps> ian_at_synth: did you happen to see some of wazd's recent mockups btw?
Jan 16 20:14:46 <Andrewfblack> ian_at_synth yeah some times I feel I'm only one working on themes to lol even though I know I'm not just not alot of us
Jan 16 20:14:58 <ian_at_synth> no i don't think so sts. hey, try out the 3 desktops i included with the new themes. especially the transparent sidebar one
Jan 16 20:15:26 <Stskeeps> desktops?
Jan 16 20:15:35 <ian_at_synth> wallpapers
Jan 16 20:15:36 <ian_at_synth> lol
Jan 16 20:15:37 <Stskeeps> ah ;)
Jan 16 20:15:45 <Stskeeps> in my world desktop = hildon desktop configuration files :)
Jan 16 20:15:57 <ian_at_synth> yeah i'm a recovering mac user
Jan 16 20:16:58 <b-man> done packing rootfs, now to just upload :)
Jan 16 20:17:02 <b-man> only 10mb off my estimation, 150mb
Jan 16 20:17:16 * Andrewfblack now knows why only 24 out of 800 people downloaded MerEcho lol
Jan 16 20:17:26 <Stskeeps> we're playing a little so, http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/marqueepanel.png (experiment), http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0901/9d/c13ce1d0ee25.png (wazd mockup)
Jan 16 20:17:33 <Stskeeps> -> ian_at_synth
Jan 16 20:18:15 <Andrewfblack> Stskeeps I really like wazd's mockup
Jan 16 20:18:46 <Stskeeps> ian_at_synth: i've added a task to include your themes on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Sprint_January_2008_and_before:_Basic_installable_image
Jan 16 20:19:19 <Stskeeps> if you'd like to participate in Mer in any way, you're more than welcome :)
Jan 16 20:19:24 <b-man> Andrewfblack: it's going to be quite a while before it's fully uploaded - (2-3 hours) :p
Jan 16 20:19:53 <ian_at_synth> to anyone who has our new themes: each theme has one wallpaper which uses transparency, so after you select that image, you can select the background color as well. kinda confusing, but i was stoked when i realized i could do it that way
Jan 16 20:20:00 <ian_at_synth> that mockup looks great
Jan 16 20:20:20 <Andrewfblack> b-man you uploading it straight to my ftp server or somewhere else first?
Jan 16 20:21:28 <b-man> i'm uploading to http://www.sendspace.com/
Jan 16 20:21:58 <Stskeeps> ian_at_synth: we also have plans to include zenvoid's theme (http://zenvoid.org/tmp/ ) , see screenshots)
Jan 16 20:22:05 <Andrewfblack> ok well you can upload it right to my ftp server if you want
Jan 16 20:23:29 <b-man> ok, i'll use your server :)
Jan 16 20:23:59 <Stskeeps> wb ian_at_synth_
Jan 16 20:24:49 <ian_at_synth_> wb?
Jan 16 20:24:57 <Stskeeps> welcome back :)
Jan 16 20:25:07 <ian_at_synth_> ah yeah, not sure why i dropped
Jan 16 20:26:52 <Stskeeps> ian_at_synth: are there any screenshots of your new themes btw?
Jan 16 20:26:57 <Stskeeps> (i've been kinda buried in exams)
Jan 16 20:27:46 <ian_at_synth_> no, not yet. hopefully we'll update our wiki with screenshots, and promote our packages to extras proper later today. school is taking up all my time as well tho
Jan 16 20:28:55 * Meiz_n810 is installing Mer back...
Jan 16 20:29:30 * Stskeeps is writing guide on how to make a boot device bootable and run x86 mer
Jan 16 20:29:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 16 20:31:25 * r2d2rogers is trying to figure out why his touch screen doesn't work, but he can use synergy to mouse and type over the network
Jan 16 20:31:45 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: what tslib package do you have?
Jan 16 20:31:49 <Stskeeps> also
Jan 16 20:31:54 <Stskeeps> actually
Jan 16 20:32:00 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: is /etc/pointercal there?
Jan 16 20:32:19 <r2d2rogers> pointercal ... no
Jan 16 20:32:30 <Stskeeps> well then
Jan 16 20:32:31 <Stskeeps> sec
Jan 16 20:32:54 <Stskeeps> apt-get install nokia-tablets-pointercal
Jan 16 20:32:56 <Stskeeps> and reboot
Jan 16 20:33:04 <Stskeeps> feel free to edit that in imager
Jan 16 20:33:07 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: wilco
Jan 16 20:33:08 <r2d2rogers> k
Jan 16 20:34:00 * r2d2rogers watches gmail load in midori
Jan 16 20:37:01 <Stskeeps> i'm waiting for dsme-tools to go through builder
Jan 16 20:37:08 <Stskeeps> i should really apt-get dist-upgrade those images
Jan 16 20:37:14 <Stskeeps> would cut build time 50%
Jan 16 20:38:25 <b-man> i'm back, my tablet crashed :p
Jan 16 20:39:52 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 16 20:40:07 <Meiz_n810> b-man: you got your ubuntu back?
Jan 16 20:40:22 <Meiz_n810> it the keyboard working? :P
Jan 16 20:40:33 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: MUCH better
Jan 16 20:40:58 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: i just recalled the 770 file didnt have them :)
Jan 16 20:40:59 <Andrewfblack> b-man you get message about how to login?
Jan 16 20:41:41 <b-man> yes, but i wanted to ask a nother question (privetly)
Jan 16 20:41:49 <Andrewfblack> ok
Jan 16 20:41:50 <r2d2rogers> looks like it could be useable if I can get the wireless working next, checking h-i-m now
Jan 16 20:42:05 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: i'm going to tear my hair out if backspace crashes your xorg too
Jan 16 20:42:22 <r2d2rogers> Woot! verified the  LOL  backspace issue...
Jan 16 20:42:32 <Stskeeps> damnit
Jan 16 20:42:33 <Stskeeps> ok.
Jan 16 20:42:34 <Stskeeps> sec
Jan 16 20:42:36 <r2d2rogers> k
Jan 16 20:42:38 <Stskeeps> dpkg -l | grep xkbdata
Jan 16 20:42:57 <b-man> Meiz_n810; yup :), but i havn't booted it yes (don't have gnome installed yet)
Jan 16 20:43:08 <b-man> edit: yet
Jan 16 20:43:10 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: no es aqui, no results
Jan 16 20:43:41 <Meiz_n810> k
Jan 16 20:43:59 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: I have moved the sapwood .so lib to make it useable without having to kill sapwood immediatly
Jan 16 20:44:05 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 16 20:44:24 <Meiz_n810> UME is'n as nice as i tought...
Jan 16 20:44:33 <Stskeeps> isn't?
Jan 16 20:44:43 <Meiz_n810> s/is'n/isn't/
Jan 16 20:44:59 <Stskeeps> any reasons why?
Jan 16 20:45:50 <Meiz_n810> it does not look any better than maemo
Jan 16 20:46:02 <Stskeeps> heh
Jan 16 20:46:02 <Stskeeps> e
Jan 16 20:46:12 <Meiz_n810> UME is just maemo, with no sidebar...
Jan 16 20:46:36 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint#Making_a_x86_Mer_bootable <- for the people interested, btw
Jan 16 20:46:44 <Meiz_n810> ta
Jan 16 20:48:18 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: when you have mer installed, apt-get install dsme-tools will you?
Jan 16 20:48:34 <Meiz_n810> yep
Jan 16 20:48:45 <Stskeeps> should give you backlight dimming and turning off and wifi power saving
Jan 16 20:48:55 <Meiz_n810> good
Jan 16 20:49:54 <Meiz_n810> but i'm sorry, i might have to wait for tomorrow... imager is now only about 40% far and i have to go to sleep soon :(
Jan 16 20:50:57 <Meiz_n810> tomorrow i'll start messing with x86-mer :P
Jan 16 20:51:18 <Stskeeps> install on to a usb stick really :P
Jan 16 20:51:28 * b-man starts to worry about apt-pin collisions again with mer/deblet repo
Jan 16 20:51:46 <Stskeeps> b-man: yeah..
Jan 16 20:51:55 <b-man> hehe
Jan 16 20:52:00 <Stskeeps> b-man: perhaps with the Andrewfblack space you can build a mini repository
Jan 16 20:52:02 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: no way :) my computer is so old it does not support booting from usb
Jan 16 20:52:02 <Stskeeps> so you dont collide
Jan 16 20:52:07 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: how old?
Jan 16 20:52:12 <b-man> shure :)
Jan 16 20:52:16 <Meiz_n810> old
Jan 16 20:52:26 <Stskeeps> .. specs
Jan 16 20:52:33 <Meiz_n810> 98? not sure...
Jan 16 20:52:51 <b-man> mine has a pentium 3 :)
Jan 16 20:53:02 <b-man> win98
Jan 16 20:53:03 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: RAM/CPU i meant
Jan 16 20:53:05 <Meiz_n810> 800mHz duron, 512mb sd-ram
Jan 16 20:53:13 <Stskeeps> pft. it'll run mer fine
Jan 16 20:53:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 16 20:53:37 <Meiz_n810> yep, but from hard-disk for sure :P
Jan 16 20:53:40 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 16 20:53:46 <Stskeeps> not floppy certainly..
Jan 16 20:53:47 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 16 20:54:23 <Meiz_n810> :P
Jan 16 20:54:48 <Meiz_n810> switching to 154th floppy now...
Jan 16 20:54:54 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: could you test dsme-tools too?
Jan 16 20:55:05 <Stskeeps> i think wifi power saving might not work too well
Jan 16 20:55:12 <Stskeeps> but i'm uncertain
Jan 16 20:56:33 <rghosh> I'm experiencing a problem on diablo where librsvg2-bin won't install, complaining that I don't have package python, but python is installed.  console output is here: http://pastebin.com/f21c4c40
Jan 16 20:56:53 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps:  willco, was about to reboot anyhow, had to add the symbolic link to /dev/fb0 again
Jan 16 20:57:38 <r2d2rogers> swiki
Jan 16 20:57:41 <r2d2rogers> oops
Jan 16 21:00:00 <Meiz_n810> rghosh: it depends on package python but there is only package for python2.5?
Jan 16 21:00:42 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: symbolic link?
Jan 16 21:01:49 <rghosh> Meiz_n810: yes
Jan 16 21:02:39 <rghosh> Meiz_n810: and the repository from which the librsvg libraries comes from has python2.5, but not python named as such
Jan 16 21:02:48 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: xorg is looking for /dev/fb1 and I have /dev/fb0 only
Jan 16 21:02:53 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 16 21:03:06 <Stskeeps> add that to imager i gues
Jan 16 21:03:06 <Stskeeps> s
Jan 16 21:03:44 <rghosh> I wonder if there's any way for me to enter in an alias so that "python" points to "python2.5" ?
Jan 16 21:03:45 <r2d2rogers> will do
Jan 16 21:04:01 <Stskeeps> i'll get at fixing kernel-770-modules so i can generate 770 images
Jan 16 21:04:06 <r2d2rogers> I'm taking notes as I plan to redo an install from maemo up
Jan 16 21:04:18 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: what needs fixing in it?
Jan 16 21:04:31 <qwerty12_N800> rghosh, install http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/p/python2.5/python_2.5.1-1osso4_all.deb
Jan 16 21:04:37 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: power saving for the backlight works on 770 with dsmetools apparently
Jan 16 21:05:11 <Meiz_n810> rghosh: if you really wanna use it, you can use dpkg -i --force-depends....
Jan 16 21:05:12 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: depmod change
Jan 16 21:05:24 <rghosh> qwerty12_N800: ok, will try
Jan 16 21:05:56 <lcuk> lardman|home, was this written just for you? http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Lard+man/
Jan 16 21:14:37 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: btw, do you have fbcon yourself or is it in kernel-modules-770?
Jan 16 21:16:44 <rghosh> qwerty12_N800: thanks, it worked!
Jan 16 21:17:00 <rghosh> Meiz_n810: thank you as well
Jan 16 21:17:04 <qwerty12_N800> no problem :)
Jan 16 21:18:12 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: I didn't grab it separate
Jan 16 21:18:19 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 16 21:22:53 * Meiz_n810 is installing dsme-tools...
Jan 16 21:25:19 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: apt-get update, apt-get install kernel-modules-770
Jan 16 21:25:21 <Stskeeps> does anything break?
Jan 16 21:30:34 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: installing, btw do you have a pgp key for the repo?
Jan 16 21:30:41 <r2d2rogers> rebooting
Jan 16 21:31:03 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: no, i didn't expect repo would last this long :P
Jan 16 21:31:10 <r2d2rogers> <G>
Jan 16 21:31:17 <Stskeeps> also the way we do it currently is contrary to how its really supposed to be
Jan 16 21:32:21 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: hope for a maemo.org dist?
Jan 16 21:33:17 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: yeah, but i wanted some things ready first so it wouldn't have to be every week bothering the maemo.org admins :)
Jan 16 21:34:05 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: seems to work  (kernel-770.....)
Jan 16 21:34:10 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: good
Jan 16 21:34:16 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps:  yeah I can understand that
Jan 16 21:34:44 <r2d2rogers> I see meiz has nice screen shots up on picasa
Jan 16 21:35:00 <Stskeeps> yeah quite a few
Jan 16 21:35:17 <r2d2rogers> do you know what bluetooth applet he's using?
Jan 16 21:35:34 <Stskeeps> bluez-gnome probably
Jan 16 21:35:42 <Khertan> Hello !
Jan 16 21:38:08 * Stskeeps starts x86, n770, n8x0 build
Jan 16 21:38:55 * Meiz_n810 boots to Mer
Jan 16 21:39:10 <r2d2rogers> odd, something is killing my symbolic link for /dev/fb0 => /dev/fb0
Jan 16 21:39:21 <Stskeeps> udev?
Jan 16 21:40:04 <r2d2rogers> wouldn't be surprised
Jan 16 21:40:26 <r2d2rogers> why is Xorg insisting on using /dev/fb1 if /dev/fb0 is in the xorg.conf
Jan 16 21:40:34 <Stskeeps> overlay stuff i think
Jan 16 21:40:42 <Stskeeps> for XV
Jan 16 21:41:40 * Stskeeps looks how many updates have come since last
Jan 16 21:42:50 <r2d2rogers> Meiz_n810: what bluetooth applet are you using?
Jan 16 21:44:32 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: i think there's a wide range of changes to xf86-xorg-video-omapfb since we branched, so you're welcome to try and patch it from http://gitweb.pingu.fi/?p=xf86-video-omapfb.git;a=summary
Jan 16 21:44:38 <Stskeeps> it might work better
Jan 16 21:45:13 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: got the note, will see if I can try it
Jan 16 21:45:57 <Stskeeps> only change i did was with update fb
Jan 16 21:47:35 <r2d2rogers> cool, I can see the notes in lp
Jan 16 21:48:18 <r2d2rogers> I'll install the SDK on a 32bit OS and try it there.
Jan 16 21:48:29 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: thanks
Jan 16 21:48:42 <Stskeeps> wb
Jan 16 21:48:54 <Meiz_n810> screen dimmimg worked well
Jan 16 21:49:05 <Meiz_n810> s/img/ing/
Jan 16 21:49:24 <Meiz_n810> infobot is turned off?
Jan 16 21:49:31 <Meiz_n810> :P
Jan 16 21:49:39 <Khertan> Someone have already do tunneling ip encapsulated in http on nit ?
Jan 16 21:49:51 <Khertan> ~seen Khertan_n810
Jan 16 21:49:55 <Khertan> yep :)
Jan 16 21:51:14 <Stskeeps> Khertan: are you able to access https on your data connection btw
Jan 16 21:51:14 <Stskeeps> ?
Jan 16 21:53:09 <r2d2rogers> Meiz_n810: what bluetooth applet are you using?
Jan 16 21:53:12 <Khertan> Stskeeps: nope
Jan 16 21:53:22 <Stskeeps> Khertan: thats silly.. i think in .dk that would be illegal to filter
Jan 16 21:53:25 <Meiz_n810> bluez-gnome
Jan 16 21:53:30 <Stskeeps> cos it is needed to access government services
Jan 16 21:53:42 <Khertan> Stskeeps: here it s not ... unfortunatly
Jan 16 21:54:01 <r2d2rogers> Meiz_n810: awesome, thanks
Jan 16 21:54:34 <Meiz_n810> np :)
Jan 16 21:54:39 * Khertan vote for mNotes integration in Mer by default :)
Jan 16 21:54:58 <qwerty12_N800> Khertan, I _think_ this is what you're asking for: http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html
Jan 16 21:55:24 <Khertan> ouch ... the look&feel of the site ...
Jan 16 21:55:48 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Jan 16 21:56:34 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: how can i get that battery-applet you said was working?
Jan 16 21:57:03 <Khertan> someone can compile it for me ?
Jan 16 21:57:21 <Khertan> as it s only depends on libc ... it s look like c code
Jan 16 21:57:54 <Jaffa> Khertan: also, see corkscrew for something similar.
Jan 16 21:57:56 <lardman|home> lcuk: thanks, just watching it :)
Jan 16 21:57:58 <Khertan> i ve just finishing compiling google desktop sidebar for my computer ...
Jan 16 21:58:11 <Jaffa> Khertan: Finally, PuTTY can SSH over HTTPS by default
Jan 16 21:58:16 <Khertan> and i m still downloading the vmware image for maemo :)
Jan 16 21:58:32 <Khertan> Jaffa: yep ... but putty is not something i want to use on my nit
Jan 16 21:58:44 <Raytray> Khertan, mind if I bother you about mcalendar with a short question? :D
Jan 16 21:58:59 <Khertan> héhé ... yep ask ...
Jan 16 21:59:20 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: we -so- need a putty/gtk port
Jan 16 21:59:27 <Stskeeps> (yes, it exists for unix)
Jan 16 21:59:29 * Khertan know that he should finish this log window !
Jan 16 21:59:49 <Raytray> Where's the file that mcalendar saves it's info too?
Jan 16 21:59:52 <Raytray> If there is one anyway
Jan 16 21:59:59 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, I've already packaged it for maemo (unhildonized) ;)
Jan 16 22:00:05 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: didn't know that part
Jan 16 22:00:05 <Khertan> which info ? data or prefs ?
Jan 16 22:00:07 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: Mer?
Jan 16 22:00:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 16 22:00:09 <Raytray> data
Jan 16 22:00:11 * Stskeeps ducks
Jan 16 22:00:15 <Khertan> anyway it s stored in a sqlite db
Jan 16 22:00:24 <Raytray> Ah I see.
Jan 16 22:00:26 <Khertan> in /home/user/.mPim/mcalendar.db
Jan 16 22:00:32 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: actually..
Jan 16 22:00:34 <Raytray> Alright thanks.
Jan 16 22:00:47 <Khertan> why are you asking ?
Jan 16 22:00:49 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: it's actually in universe.
Jan 16 22:00:52 <Raytray> And how often does autosynchro sync?
Jan 16 22:01:13 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, cool
Jan 16 22:01:25 * Stskeeps installs
Jan 16 22:01:30 <Raytray> I messed up my calendar and it doesn't really sync properly. >.> Like it pops up an error trying to delete something that's already gone on google cal.
Jan 16 22:01:31 <Khertan> hum ... don't remember for the sync, if the last release have preferences, but it s any in all version 4 hours by default
Jan 16 22:01:43 <Raytray> Ah alright.
Jan 16 22:01:44 <Khertan> and when get a network connection
Jan 16 22:02:29 <lcuk> Khertan, whats the chances of getting a LAN based sync (or simply an alternative server)
Jan 16 22:03:00 * lardman|home is once again stunned at the Pandora smoke and mirrors
Jan 16 22:03:02 <Khertan> lcuk: if you create a server supporting the gdata api ... it should work ...
Jan 16 22:03:28 <Khertan> lcuk: or provide me a real lib that can be use to do sync with syncml ...
Jan 16 22:03:38 <Khertan> with python
Jan 16 22:03:52 <lcuk> khertan, cool, how about a simpler approach, if i had filesystem connection and could see another instance of a mcal database could they be aligned?
Jan 16 22:04:08 <Khertan> the only things i found about syncml is really ... annoying ...
Jan 16 22:04:22 <Khertan> lcuk: HEY !!!! Do not reveal my secret feature !
Jan 16 22:04:45 <lcuk> :) we do it all the time at work
Jan 16 22:05:09 <Khertan> lcuk: yep this is planned ... a mCalendar version that run also on nunux, or windows and a small sync of database between
Jan 16 22:05:11 <lcuk> just getting up to speed with sqlite
Jan 16 22:05:23 <Khertan> getting up to speed ?
Jan 16 22:05:26 <Khertan> what you mean ?
Jan 16 22:05:29 <lcuk> yeah, the sqlite databases make that practical
Jan 16 22:05:55 <lcuk> i dont know the api :) im windows based.  sql server/mysql/access etc
Jan 16 22:05:57 <Khertan> hum ? i don't see any differences between sqlite db sync and other db sync ?
Jan 16 22:06:16 <Khertan> does sqlite have special api to do sync ?
Jan 16 22:06:31 <lcuk> no, but its cross platform data files which make it really nice
Jan 16 22:06:35 <lcuk> well sorry, dont know
Jan 16 22:06:38 <Khertan> ah yes :)
Jan 16 22:06:46 <lcuk> i hate automatic sync anyway
Jan 16 22:07:15 <Khertan> pfff
Jan 16 22:07:27 <Khertan> if it s well done ... it s perfect
Jan 16 22:07:40 <Khertan> hey i ve retrieved my lost data ...
Jan 16 22:07:45 <lcuk> yeah, but thats YOU setting up the sync manually and running it on a schedule
Jan 16 22:07:47 <lcuk> thats not what i mean
Jan 16 22:07:59 <konttori> I have now created default icons to replace the nokia ones (the 4)
Jan 16 22:08:19 <Khertan> a forgotten sync backup :)
Jan 16 22:08:39 <lcuk> cool, did your memory card get working again
Jan 16 22:08:43 <Khertan> yep
Jan 16 22:08:43 <lcuk> cool konttori :D
Jan 16 22:08:52 <lcuk> nice
Jan 16 22:09:11 <Khertan> temp is no more negative
Jan 16 22:09:14 <Stskeeps> konttori: woo :) something we can see?
Jan 16 22:09:14 <konttori> I'll blog tomorrow
Jan 16 22:09:18 <Stskeeps> hehe, alright
Jan 16 22:09:33 <konttori> hmm... Lemme see. I'll put a image to server.
Jan 16 22:10:32 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: wtf at it using libgtk1 though
Jan 16 22:11:30 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, there's a configure switch for gtk2. but debian devs don't believe in it... the maemo one i did uses gtk2
Jan 16 22:11:39 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 16 22:12:36 <Stskeeps> can't seem to find it
Jan 16 22:13:33 <qwerty12_N800> http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/putty-0.60-svn8069snap2008-06-12-1_armel.deb (hacked up package, before I knew how to package properly...)
Jan 16 22:13:36 <Stskeeps> ta
Jan 16 22:14:04 <qwerty12_N800> you need a xkbd or something when it comes to the actual session though :/
Jan 16 22:14:13 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 16 22:14:14 <konttori> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/5242/NuvoPearl.deb
Jan 16 22:15:04 <qwerty12_N800> konttori, did you ever bring NuvoBlack to os2008 by any chance?
Jan 16 22:15:04 <konttori> Anyway, just a quick test. I'll make a new release of TM in the weekend and blog a bit on icons at that time.
Jan 16 22:15:30 <konttori> nope. Should be easy.
Jan 16 22:15:42 <qwerty12_N800> ah
Jan 16 22:15:48 <konttori> nuvoblack was just invert colors version with a few fixes of the nuvopearl
Jan 16 22:16:28 <konttori> anyway, I could do a new theme if I ever had time to work on anything.
Jan 16 22:16:58 <konttori> I'll be spending weekend documenting harmattan content framework.
Jan 16 22:17:29 <sisto> hello
Jan 16 22:17:31 * lcuk gets ready to start hearing "Fixed in harmattan"
Jan 16 22:17:49 <konttori> lcuk: no comment
Jan 16 22:17:52 <lcuk> heh
Jan 16 22:17:57 <Stskeeps> lcuk: "fixed in Mer" ;9
Jan 16 22:17:57 <sisto> http://www.jr.com/sandisk/pe/SAD_SDSDQ016GA1/
Jan 16 22:18:04 <sisto> has anyone tried that with n810?
Jan 16 22:18:06 <lcuk> :)
Jan 16 22:18:23 <sisto> pretty awesome isn't it?
Jan 16 22:18:41 <konttori> actually, on the content side, we'll be moving tracker to a whole new direction. And we'll publish 0.6.9 to debian next week! wuhuu! all the power of fremantle tracker soon at your local ubuntu distribution.
Jan 16 22:19:00 <konttori> and the 0.6.9 series will be the exact same we'll have in fremantle as well
Jan 16 22:20:46 <konttori> well, we do have a set of patches on nokia side on top of the gnome svn version, but it's all just tuneups.
Jan 16 22:20:48 <Stskeeps> konttori: sounds good re tracker
Jan 16 22:22:31 <lcuk> konttori, is tracker scan to identify only, or can it be fed at content creation time?
Jan 16 22:23:31 <Khertan> how to test that i'm on a tablet in python without trying to import hildon ?
Jan 16 22:23:33 <konttori> sorry, what do you mean?
Jan 16 22:23:33 <x29a> is nupgrade.sh still the way to make a sd card bootable for endusers?
Jan 16 22:24:35 <lcuk> well i create sketches and images and postcards and things at an alarming rate, do i have a way to manually tell tracker which files or is it always scanning everywhere in the background
Jan 16 22:24:37 <Stskeeps> Khertan: check existence for /proc/component_version
Jan 16 22:24:50 <konttori> tracker first crawls the entire system and sets inotifys on all folders. then it feeds each new item to the extractors, which then return the metadata of the files and fulltext representation of the files. this is then fed to the database
Jan 16 22:24:57 <qwerty12_N800> Khertan, check for the presence of the file /proc/component_version
Jan 16 22:24:58 <Raytray> x29a, that's the way I did it.
Jan 16 22:25:06 <Khertan> hum right ...
Jan 16 22:25:07 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps beat me :)
Jan 16 22:25:08 <Khertan> thanks
Jan 16 22:25:22 <konttori> lcuk: and in addition to that, apps can push any additional data into tracker
Jan 16 22:25:26 <x29a> Raytray: and worked ok? i want to first get things running and use it a bit before i digg into the fiddling
Jan 16 22:25:45 <Raytray> Yup. :) Though I can't seem to get it to boot the right sd card by default :(
Jan 16 22:25:50 <konttori> and they can create virtual objects (so you can define any URI as the object)
Jan 16 22:25:54 <lcuk> konttori, cool, thats the bit i was looking for :) i can hopefully forget me needing my own DB :)
Jan 16 22:26:12 <lcuk> ill read up more then
Jan 16 22:27:09 <konttori> http://live.gnome.org/Tracker/ contains some info
Jan 16 22:27:20 <x29a> Raytray: thats the chmodline where you setup the bootloaderconfig or?
Jan 16 22:27:22 <Stskeeps> konttori: i just hope tracker does not get as hated as metacrawler at least :)
Jan 16 22:27:33 <lcuk> yeah i found it thanks :)
Jan 16 22:27:44 <Raytray> Yeah, but it doesn't work for me oddly enough. Not sure what I'm screwing up but I don't reboot too often so I'm not stressing it.
Jan 16 22:27:59 <lcuk> Stskeeps, as long as it can get fed on creation and doesnt lag it shouldnt matter from a content creation/inspection POV
Jan 16 22:28:01 <x29a> yeah, true
Jan 16 22:28:05 <lcuk> but im betting some will disable
Jan 16 22:28:06 <konttori> well, it's around 100 kloc and it's the default indexer in ubuntu as well, so, it gets its share of review on the upstream as well
Jan 16 22:28:38 <Stskeeps> konttori: yeah, - except upstream isn't running on a battery all the time :)
Jan 16 22:28:46 <lcuk> konttori, what works on desktop doesnt always work well on device - ie theres things like hot swap to cater for
Jan 16 22:28:52 <konttori> And it runs nice 19. On usb cable attach, it pauses and detaches from any files its reading so that you can mount properly
Jan 16 22:28:58 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Jan 16 22:29:04 <x29a> Raytray: how did you partition your card? little vfat partition, rest ext2 or ext3?
Jan 16 22:29:20 <konttori> we are so freaking fast you don't really become concerned of battery
Jan 16 22:29:35 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: we still have to do the on usb cable connect choose mode thing
Jan 16 22:30:08 <lcuk> konttori, how do you get on indexing sqlite databases?
Jan 16 22:30:10 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, get johnx to do usb-connect-wizard :p
Jan 16 22:30:13 <Raytray> Only two partitions, 1 gig for the system partition, the rest for storage
Jan 16 22:30:20 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i hope powerlaunch will do that really
Jan 16 22:30:29 <konttori> we don't index sqlite dbs. well, we could, but we don't
Jan 16 22:30:36 <Raytray> Not sure what kind of partition I used for the bootable part. But vfat for the storage I think.
Jan 16 22:30:41 <lcuk> but thats default file format for lots of apps
Jan 16 22:30:50 <Raytray> ext3 probably for the boot thing, maybe the reverse. >.>
Jan 16 22:31:00 <lcuk> lots of quicy meta data inside all lovingly normalized already :)
Jan 16 22:31:03 <konttori> sqlite actually would allow it quite well these days, as you can just ask nicely for the most recent changes, but really, not too much point.
Jan 16 22:31:04 <lcuk> juicy
Jan 16 22:31:08 <qwerty12_N800> x29a, go for ext3, much less headaches
Jan 16 22:31:19 <x29a> no fsck ;)
Jan 16 22:31:25 <konttori> if tracker doesn't know the schema of the db, there is not much point
Jan 16 22:31:37 <lcuk> depends on the app konttori - khertan has his calendar thingy, and theres all the notes in maemopad and stuff
Jan 16 22:31:44 <konttori> and if it knows the schema, usually there is some nicer api to keep the data syched.
Jan 16 22:31:51 <x29a> Raytray: i dont get the partitionlayout, the vfat will get mounted by maemo, the ext3 is where the rootfs goes?
Jan 16 22:32:12 <konttori> e.g. what pvanhoof was writing about : http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2009/01/15/the-evolution-dbus-metadata-api
Jan 16 22:32:15 <x29a> but when i install software from within maemo, itll go into the vfat partition?
Jan 16 22:32:20 <lcuk> i dont mean for sync, i mean for retrieval and extraction
Jan 16 22:32:37 <konttori> lcuk: yeah, as said, if you know the schema, then it's a different thing
Jan 16 22:32:43 <lcuk> :) fair enough
Jan 16 22:32:52 <ciroip> buona sera people
Jan 16 22:32:57 <konttori> ok, anyway, I'll hit the deck now. see you tomorrow!
Jan 16 22:32:57 <Jaffa> Perhaps Tracker should support some kind of schema enrichment alongside an SQLite db
Jan 16 22:33:01 <ciroip> mh, good night
Jan 16 22:33:25 <Raytray> I wouldn't really be the one to ask. But what I did was put the bootable one on partition 2. vfat looks to be your sd and regular storage and ext3 looks to be the one where it boots from
Jan 16 22:33:36 <lcuk> jaffa, maybe it does
Jan 16 22:33:38 <Raytray> which is where software installs to.
Jan 16 22:34:41 <lcuk> im off as well
Jan 16 22:34:44 <x29a> Raytray: ah ok, so vfat is for what shows up as 'external storage card'?
Jan 16 22:35:01 <x29a> ill just give it a shot
Jan 16 22:35:03 <Raytray> Yeah.
Jan 16 22:35:10 <x29a> 8gb sdhc, so 50/50?
Jan 16 22:35:20 <x29a> or is 4 gb for system overkill?
Jan 16 22:35:22 <Raytray> Heh, you must have a ton of stuff to install :p
Jan 16 22:35:43 <Raytray> I stuck it at 1gig and still have about 200 mb left of space to install random stuff on.
Jan 16 22:35:51 <x29a> 2 and 6 it is then
Jan 16 22:35:53 <x29a> ;)
Jan 16 22:42:05 <lcuk> catch you later folks
Jan 16 22:42:29 <x29a> cya lcuk
Jan 16 22:43:09 * Stskeeps ponders if nitdroid stalled again
Jan 16 22:43:15 <x29a> Raytray: so if i changed the partition of the internal mmc card to lets say ext3, it wouldnt automount and therefore save writecycles and disables it or?
Jan 16 22:43:41 <x29a> cause i only want to use my external card
Jan 16 22:43:55 <Raytray> You wouldn't be able to use it as far as I know.
Jan 16 22:44:01 <Raytray> Unless you mounted it yourself?
Jan 16 22:45:07 <x29a> great, thats my intention
Jan 16 22:45:20 <x29a> sorry to bug you with my questions and thanks a lot for your patience
Jan 16 22:46:21 <Raytray> It's fine, but I'm just a random guy who had to ask pretty similar ones (and ask twice in some cases) to other people. :D
Jan 16 22:46:52 <x29a> i like random guys that are able to help =)
Jan 16 22:50:12 <Jaffa> Is there a wiki page on using maemo-select-location on first install, but not upgrade?
Jan 16 22:50:18 <Jaffa> I can't remember the recipe
Jan 16 22:51:01 <qwerty12_N800> the general put it in one of his blog posts
Jan 16 22:52:14 <Khertan> http://khertan.net/poubelle/mcalendar_desktop.png
Jan 16 22:52:17 <Khertan> :)
Jan 16 22:59:34 <x29a> Raytray: any idea if the vfat must be FAT16 or can be FAT32 as well?
Jan 16 22:59:50 <Stskeeps> Khertan: hehe :)
Jan 16 23:00:09 <Raytray> Not a clue.
Jan 16 23:00:41 <x29a> hm, anybody else?
Jan 16 23:00:45 <x29a> ill just try FAT32
Jan 16 23:02:39 <Raytray> Quite a large picture.
Jan 16 23:03:15 <x29a> pardon me?
Jan 16 23:03:21 <Raytray> @ Khertan 's link.
Jan 16 23:03:26 <x29a> ah lol
Jan 16 23:04:16 <||cw> x29a: fat32
Jan 16 23:05:11 <sisto> has anyone tried a 16 gb microsd with the n810???
Jan 16 23:05:45 <x29a> a friend of mine claims he as a 16gb one in his N800
Jan 16 23:05:58 <x29a> so id assume it works
Jan 16 23:12:40 <Khertan> Raytray: large enough to see that it s run on a desktop too and not only on the nit
Jan 16 23:13:09 <Khertan> Raytray: i ven't include the second screen but if you want a larger picture this is possible :)
Jan 16 23:13:29 <Khertan> so ...
Jan 16 23:13:39 <Khertan> good night everybody !
Jan 16 23:16:46 * Jaffa builds a wonderful new vim packages, tests it on x86 & armel - and then realises his modifications to debian/rules won't work in the auto-builder.
Jan 16 23:16:49 <Jaffa> Time for bed, methinks.
Jan 16 23:21:58 * oli is sharing Internet from pc to n800 via bluetooth (pand)
Jan 16 23:22:35 <oli> how to use microb with it? it has to use wlan/bt-mobile connection
Jan 16 23:25:07 <Stskeeps> oli: there's a dummy connection thing
Jan 16 23:27:44 <oli> Stskeeps: i don't get what you mean
Jan 16 23:28:13 <Stskeeps> oli: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/38171
Jan 16 23:28:32 <Stskeeps> and http://pycage.blogspot.com/2008/08/bluetooth-pan-fixed-for-diablo.html
Jan 16 23:31:29 <x29a> hmm, the internal flash doesnt suffer from read/write operations or? so would it make a perfect place for a swappartition?
Jan 16 23:31:45 <ShadowJK> eh
Jan 16 23:31:56 <ShadowJK> what do you mean "suffer from read/write operations"?
Jan 16 23:32:04 <x29a> like mmc cards do?
Jan 16 23:32:12 <x29a> oh wait
Jan 16 23:32:16 <x29a> brainfart
Jan 16 23:32:17 <ShadowJK> What exactly do you mean?
Jan 16 23:32:37 <ShadowJK> If you're asking whether the internal flash will eventually wear out, then yes, yes it will
Jan 16 23:32:47 <x29a> i just realized that the internal flash is not a ramdisk, but a normal flashcard just like the other ones
Jan 16 23:32:50 <ShadowJK> If you're asking whether it has a high write amplification, then yes, yes it does
Jan 16 23:33:49 <x29a> ShadowJK: so putting the bootloader in the internal flash, disabled the internal mmc and putting swap and rootfs and data on the external mmc is the way to go?
Jan 16 23:34:21 <ShadowJK> If you're worried, yeah
Jan 16 23:47:58 <Stskeeps> http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5493/1001067lx6.jpg <- Very interesting Mer photo.. :)
Jan 16 23:48:10 <Stskeeps> a bit blurry but yeah
Jan 16 23:50:28 <Stskeeps> (it is mer x86 on a laptop, after just installing a filesystem image)
Jan 16 23:53:29 * Andrewfblack thanks about what to work on next since MerEcho is almost done
Jan 16 23:55:29 <oli> Stskeeps: i've installed maemo-pan 1.0.1 and theres dummy connection on the connections list, but not in the choose conn. box
Jan 16 23:55:44 <Stskeeps> oli: hmm.
Jan 16 23:55:47 <Stskeeps> interesting
Jan 16 23:57:08 <oli> now my n800 thinks i'm using ad-hoc (ifc wlan0 down so traffic is routed via BT)
Jan 16 23:57:59 <b-man> Ubuntu jaunty rootstrap uploaded to http://www.bman.maemobox.org/Ubuntu-9.04-N8x0-rootfs.tar.gz  :D
Jan 16 23:58:09 <Stskeeps> woo
Jan 16 23:58:23 <b-man> hehe
Jan 16 23:59:25 <x29a> whats the advantage of using ubuntu instead of maemo? does it compare speedwise?
Jan 16 23:59:40 <wazd> k, I'm back)
Jan 17 00:00:40 <Stskeeps> wb waz
Jan 17 00:00:41 <Stskeeps> d
Jan 17 00:01:12 <Stskeeps> wazd: http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5493/1001067lx6.jpg
Jan 17 00:01:40 <b-man> x29a: more software compatibility, flexible, powerful, and fun :)
Jan 17 00:02:09 <b-man> it also can be produtive)
Jan 17 00:02:17 <x29a> b-man: hows the powermanagement and hardwaresupport?
Jan 17 00:02:50 <x29a> i guess, in principle i could just make an extra partition (how big?), extract the tar to it and boot it or?
Jan 17 00:04:14 <b-man> x29a: dsme, hal, wifi, bluetooth, sound (if you install closed-sorce drivers), screen diming, ect mostly works
Jan 17 00:04:34 <Stskeeps> but, it will work as a desktop distro, and not for 10 days
Jan 17 00:04:35 <b-man> x29a: yes
Jan 17 00:04:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 17 00:05:14 <x29a> Stskeeps: so i have to hibernate it everytime im done with work?
Jan 17 00:05:24 <x29a> no just 'lock the screen and put in bag'?
Jan 17 00:05:48 <wazd> Stskeeps: evil magic! :D
Jan 17 00:05:50 <x29a> b-man: how much storage would you suggest i give the ubuntupartition?
Jan 17 00:05:51 <Stskeeps> x29a: it isn't very power saving :) a desktop distro means act like if its on a laptp
Jan 17 00:05:54 <oli> b-man: would it fit on 1gb mmc?
Jan 17 00:05:55 <Stskeeps> wazd: this is a x86 laptop btw
Jan 17 00:06:25 <x29a> Stskeeps: isnt there an ubuntu mobile edition which puts emphazise on power saving?
Jan 17 00:07:13 <b-man> x29a, oil, shure, if you were to install a light desktop env, but i'd suggest 2-3 gb for ubuntu-desktop.
Jan 17 00:07:16 <Stskeeps> x29a: yes, but it doesn't do that well. UME is basically hildon with another theme and no external daemons..
Jan 17 00:07:19 <Stskeeps> wazd: http://irczilla.net/mer/Screenshot-1.png
Jan 17 00:09:50 <wazd>  I knew I should make desktop wallpaper :)
Jan 17 00:09:59 <x29a> gee, i love the N810, i wonna get involved! whats that mer thing you guys seem to be working on?
Jan 17 00:10:24 <x29a> ah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint
Jan 17 00:10:55 <b-man> an experimental os base on maemo and ubuntu.
Jan 17 00:12:03 <x29a> so combining to great pieces of software to eliminate the flaws each have and result in the perfect operating system?
Jan 17 00:12:08 <x29a> sounds like a great plan
Jan 17 00:12:15 <Stskeeps> x29a: more like the perfect mobile OS
Jan 17 00:12:25 <Stskeeps> oh, b-man, read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer_Blueprint
Jan 17 00:12:27 <x29a> what about androids *duck and cover*
Jan 17 00:12:29 <Stskeeps> we've updated it
Jan 17 00:12:39 <Stskeeps> x29a: you'd be surprised how closed it is
Jan 17 00:12:39 * b-man added article about ubuntu jaunty on http://b-manspot.blogspot.com/
Jan 17 00:12:50 <b-man> Stskeeps: ok :)
Jan 17 00:13:09 <x29a> Stskeeps: honestly, im not expecting too much from google
Jan 17 00:13:46 <x29a> allthough there filter will find this in a weblog 10min from now, im sure that google will take over the world, eventually
Jan 17 00:14:32 <b-man> Stskeeps: 0_o verry cool!!! :D
Jan 17 00:15:00 <x29a> b-man: how much swap should i enable for ubuntu?
Jan 17 00:15:02 <x29a> 512?
Jan 17 00:15:22 <b-man> shure, but i have 356
Jan 17 00:16:30 <x29a> my ubuntu 8.10 on this laptop here (2gb) eats already 250mb of swap
Jan 17 00:16:36 <Stskeeps> b-man: which also means you should keep your task with the installer updated when you progress in it, and note in your activity log when you do something
Jan 17 00:17:12 <b-man> ok :)
Jan 17 00:18:52 <b-man> i'm guessing that i'll have to update that diagram also? :)
Jan 17 00:19:11 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 17 00:19:55 <x29a> b-man: why is the link in your blogpost not clickable?
Jan 17 00:20:35 <b-man> if you are using your N810, just tap and hold.
Jan 17 00:20:44 <b-man> in xchat
Jan 17 00:21:10 <x29a> na i mean where you link over to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975
Jan 17 00:21:56 <b-man> oh, i'll have to make that a link :) sorry :p
Jan 17 00:22:36 * b-man updates post
Jan 17 00:22:50 <x29a> no problem, just figured that taking another self-effort barrier will encourage more people to actually go there and get involved ;>
Jan 17 00:23:46 <b-man> yeah :)
Jan 17 00:23:52 <LinuxCode> nn
Jan 17 00:27:48 <b-man> grrrrr, blogspot crashes microb when trying to edit posts >:(
Jan 17 00:28:25 <Stskeeps> b-man, wazd: http://irczilla.net/mer/  - some more high resolution Mer screenshots
Jan 17 00:28:38 <b-man> sweet
Jan 17 00:29:16 <Stskeeps> showing the need for a 1280x800 theme ;)
Jan 17 00:29:51 <b-man> hehe
Jan 17 00:31:07 <x29a> so if im intrested in mer, do i need to get a special mer rootfs or do i get the jaunty tarball and configure it to 'have' mer?
Jan 17 00:31:46 <b-man> special mer rootfs
Jan 17 00:31:51 <b-man> :)
Jan 17 00:32:00 <Stskeeps> x29a: we will provide (for tablets) installer that gets a tar.gz and untars it on your mmc (made by b-man) or a kernel zImage and rootfs jffs2
Jan 17 00:32:15 <x29a> yeah i read that its about 70% done
Jan 17 00:32:24 <b-man> yes
Jan 17 00:32:26 <Stskeeps> it is generated from a jaunty debootstrap though
Jan 17 00:33:46 <x29a> im used to setting up systems with a stage1 gentoo tarball, so i guess i could somehow get it to work
Jan 17 00:34:26 <x29a> is there a desktop manager in mer? so i could choose between a mer session and a gnome session?
Jan 17 00:35:30 <Stskeeps> you can install gdm if you so want. i'm not sure if there's any more stupid gnome conflicts
Jan 17 00:35:43 <b-man> hehe
Jan 17 00:36:18 * b-man checks if dsme has conflicts in ubuntu jaunty
Jan 17 00:37:46 <b-man> Stskeeps: mer has it's own exclusive kernel now?? :)
Jan 17 00:38:22 <Stskeeps> b-man: it will have one that boots straight into rootfs, not initfs
Jan 17 00:38:30 <Stskeeps> we do this until we can distribute our own initfs
Jan 17 00:38:43 <b-man> k
Jan 17 00:39:57 * b-man wishes that initfs was open
Jan 17 00:40:08 <Stskeeps> mm, it is in progress
Jan 17 00:40:10 <x29a> hows the booting handled btw? does the bios of the N810 always look at a special area in the internal flash for some binary?
Jan 17 00:40:44 <b-man> from a series of init scripts
Jan 17 00:40:59 <Stskeeps> x29a: board boots NOLO which loads x-loader which loads 2nd, which loads linux kernel (i think), linux kernel mounts something, runs init on that
Jan 17 00:41:01 <x29a> no i mean, how do they get started
Jan 17 00:41:11 <x29a> ah ok
Jan 17 00:41:13 <Stskeeps> x-loader, 2nd, linux kernel is in flash, except when kernel is provided through USB
Jan 17 00:42:16 * b-man is shocked when weather forcast claims it will be -11 tonight
Jan 17 00:42:33 <x29a> fahrenheit or celsius?
Jan 17 00:42:34 <b-man> toooo cold!!
Jan 17 00:42:38 <b-man> F
Jan 17 00:42:40 <x29a> ouch
Jan 17 00:43:30 <x29a> b-man: where you from? alaska? siberia? greenland?
Jan 17 00:43:41 <b-man> ohio
Jan 17 00:43:47 <b-man> united states
Jan 17 00:43:56 <b-man> Bowiling Green
Jan 17 00:44:00 <b-man> 43402
Jan 17 00:44:07 <x29a> hehe ok ok
Jan 17 00:44:26 <b-man> (google earth it ;) )
Jan 17 00:45:09 <x29a> nah, i was just curious, where it would get that cold
Jan 17 00:45:38 <x29a> then again, who trusts weather fc?
Jan 17 00:45:50 <b-man> i isn't suppose to be this cold here, even for january
Jan 17 00:46:14 <b-man> average low; 18
Jan 17 00:46:41 <b-man> average high; 26
Jan 17 00:46:48 <b-man> current high; 3
Jan 17 00:48:31 <Stskeeps> wazd: http://irczilla.net/mer/Screenshot-6.png :>
Jan 17 00:48:47 <x29a> which repo do i need to apt-get install binutils?
Jan 17 00:51:59 <Stskeeps> wazd: just imagine what you can do on a 1280x800 touchscreen..
Jan 17 01:14:38 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: imager can now build 770 images btw
Jan 17 01:20:30 <x29a> do i need to use cal-tool to change the bootloaderconfig or is there a file somewhere?
Jan 17 01:20:44 <Stskeeps> bbl sleep
Jan 17 01:20:57 <x29a> i want to reduce the amount of seconds it waits until boot2default
Jan 17 01:21:01 <x29a> Stskeeps: gn8
Jan 17 01:37:48 <x29a> weird, now im running maemo from external sdcard and just gut a random reboot
Jan 17 01:39:48 <x29a> and again
Jan 17 01:40:25 <x29a> Raytray: is your system running ok? without sudden reboots?
Jan 17 01:40:40 <Raytray> Yeah it runs fine.
Jan 17 01:40:47 <Raytray> Though it has crashed a bit more recently
Jan 17 01:41:44 <x29a> did you clone a clean image to the card or the image you were using already
Jan 17 01:42:01 <x29a> like should i flash the phone, clone, then install apps or does it not matter
Jan 17 01:56:29 <x29a> hmm, where can i tell maemo not to try to mount the internal card and tell it to swap on 1p4? thought thats what /etc/fstab is for
Jan 17 01:56:50 <sisto> is the n810 wimax edition ever going to be released?
Jan 17 01:57:04 <sisto> or are they just going to skip it and release a 3g version?
Jan 17 02:04:06 <sisto> it seems the wimax version was canceled: http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2009/01/08/n810-wimax-edition-pulled-by-nokia
Jan 17 02:09:13 <Macer> wow
Jan 17 02:09:18 <Macer> it is cold here
Jan 17 02:09:41 <Macer> i think we are at -11F
Jan 17 02:09:56 <Macer> sucks
Jan 17 02:10:21 <Macer> cars arent starting because i am thinking the gasoline is freezing
Jan 17 02:39:15 <x29a> tightvnc with resolution scaling would be nice
Jan 17 02:43:06 <b-man> updated ubuntu jaunty guide to include rootstrap image; http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254256#post254256
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