**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 25 02:59:58 2009 Jan 25 03:00:23 * timeless sighs Jan 25 03:00:28 consistency Jan 25 03:00:40 the browser cache offers 1/2 mb, 1m, 2m, 4m Jan 25 03:01:00 feeed reader cache offers 1m, 2m, 4m, 8m Jan 25 03:01:17 can someone please explain why the feed reader's cache is bigger than the browser's? Jan 25 03:01:28 (is/can be) Jan 25 05:46:42 * timeless sighs Jan 25 05:46:45 anyone here alive? Jan 25 06:09:28 timeless: I'm alive Jan 25 06:29:45 * Jaffa too (now) Jan 25 06:29:48 Morning, all Jan 25 06:30:01 hi Jan 25 06:31:33 morning Jan 25 06:40:47 hi. does anyone know how I can (portably) tell if libXsp is avail on my build system? (pkg-config or somesuch?) Jan 25 06:41:05 How portably? Jan 25 06:41:49 my mistake.. I tried pkg-config Xsp --libs rather than pkg-config xsp --libs Jan 25 06:42:07 basically on any x11-based system Jan 25 06:51:46 Ha. Mike Cane's now moved on to being a Palm Pre evangelist Jan 25 07:03:21 Who is Mike Cane? Jan 25 07:04:41 A very vocal, and prominent blogger/troll who gets *really* excited and evangelical about a product, before becoming disillusioned and then starts trashing it. Jan 25 07:04:48 Before moving on to the Next Big Thing Jan 25 07:05:16 His posts on ITT probably make fascinating reading Jan 25 07:06:13 What happened to Darius BTW? Jan 25 07:08:13 Jaffa: KILL! Jan 25 07:08:39 qwerty: Currently undergoing his annual treatment in Warsaw bedlam. Jan 25 07:08:46 lol Jan 25 07:13:40 * RST38h can understand why people evanelize about unreleased products so maniacally though: the best product is the one in your mind Jan 25 08:16:17 Grr, auto-builder seems to be broken Jan 25 08:16:40 Yep, been like that since yesterday :(. Chinook builder is still working though Jan 25 08:16:57 * Jaffa pokes maemo-developers and X-Fade Jan 25 08:18:16 Time for breakfast (since I've just tidied up w,/Uploading_to_Extras Jan 25 08:39:47 http://www.wibrain.com/ <-- ah, here it is Jan 25 08:40:14 Looks chunky as shit :/ Jan 25 08:40:53 qwerty: You won't believe how clunky it is in the real life Jan 25 08:41:03 It is basically a metal brick. Jan 25 08:41:08 ha Jan 25 08:41:30 But cool looking, in some perverse sense, can't take that away from it Jan 25 08:41:53 http://www.raondigital.com/fnt_english/ev01.asp <-- also seen this one, less clunky, but feels cheesy Jan 25 08:42:26 That one reminds me of P1i a bit :/ Jan 25 08:43:14 Grossly gluttonous P1i =) Jan 25 08:43:30 hehe Jan 25 08:43:31 http://www.mobilewhack.com/fujitsu-lifebook-u2010-officially-released/ <-- and this one was on sale as well Jan 25 08:44:08 Looks boring but "alright" in a sense to me Jan 25 08:44:32 well, fujitsu... Jan 25 08:44:40 But the screen is way to small, you can just about make out the vista logon Jan 25 08:44:45 BTW, WiBrain is much smaller than pictures make you believe Jan 25 08:45:32 It is narrower (but longer) than N810 basically. With tiny keys and a little tiny touchpad the size of a thumb Jan 25 08:45:42 http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-12752-SPH-P9000,+the+Samsung+WiMAX+and+CDMA+EV-DO+PDA-PC.html <- This is my favourite :P Jan 25 08:50:40 umgh! Jan 25 08:50:49 cute Jan 25 08:52:12 I wonder if it could beat the N-Gage's record for making you look stupid when you talk on it... Jan 25 08:52:22 how do you guys generally transfer files to your nokia? I am trying to ssh in then scp'ing files over but the wifi keeps turning off Jan 25 08:52:47 qwerty: only if it has the mike at the edge =) Jan 25 08:53:11 Hehe, I'm glad to say that I never used my N-Gage for calling :P Jan 25 08:53:22 bradd: try a few more times and it will go back up Jan 25 08:55:44 * Jaffa thinks about pulling in additional RSS feeds into http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=qJEaF4Xp3RGPv3S1rLQIDg - e.g. p.m.o posts containing mer Jan 25 09:00:42 ~lart darkplaces engine Jan 25 09:00:43 * infobot pries darkplaces engine's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to darkplaces engine Jan 25 09:05:10 * timeless sighs Jan 25 09:05:17 help Jan 25 09:05:27 * timeless hates rss feed reader Jan 25 09:05:50 so, the rss feed reader is "clever" Jan 25 09:06:04 and has an error case for when you try to subscribe to two things at approximately the same "time" Jan 25 09:08:59 * timeless kicks planet maemo Jan 25 09:09:15 it makes it impossible for one to subscribe to people's blogs Jan 25 09:09:37 Even if the URL is wildly different? How is that useful? Jan 25 09:10:04 oh Jan 25 09:10:11 no, not that Jan 25 09:10:20 basically, Jan 25 09:10:27 1. load a page in the browser which has an rss icon Jan 25 09:10:31 2. click the rss icon Jan 25 09:10:37 3. switch back to the browser Jan 25 09:10:44 4. load another page in the browser which has an rss icon Jan 25 09:10:48 5. click the rss icon Jan 25 09:10:56 Don't use the rss reader. Jan 25 09:10:58 6. click ok a couple of times in the feed reader Jan 25 09:11:04 And it won't cause problems. Jan 25 09:11:12 at least, i *think* that'll give the right stupid error message Jan 25 09:11:51 it's hard to know, i don't have a testcase for each error string Jan 25 09:16:47 * timeless grumbles Jan 25 09:16:59 the comments can't even spell the names of the strings correctly Jan 25 09:26:25 * timeless consdiers Jan 25 09:26:32 would people be offended by a dialog which said Jan 25 09:26:42 "This dialog is here in case your finger slipped. Click OK to confirm" Jan 25 09:31:10 * timeless sighs Jan 25 09:31:36 does the rss reader really own text/xml on the device? Jan 25 09:32:58 right so... you really can get those errors approximately as i described Jan 25 09:33:52 oh gosh Jan 25 09:33:54 that's clever Jan 25 09:34:01 the change folder button jumps from slot 2 to slot 3 Jan 25 09:34:04 * timeless sighs Jan 25 09:34:28 mmnmornin Jan 25 09:34:39 11:30am Jan 25 09:34:45 and i'm not done cursing the rss feed reader Jan 25 09:34:47 hi lcuk Jan 25 09:35:40 anyone here have diablo and screenshot-tool? Jan 25 09:35:46 * timeless needs some pictures Jan 25 09:36:37 qwerty you might know, has thomas the tank engine moved from cbeebies? Jan 25 09:36:49 sorry timeless dont have either Jan 25 09:37:10 lcuk810, yeah, yeah... :P Jan 25 09:37:58 lol, im serious ive got an upset son, im sure thomas used to be on it Jan 25 09:38:06 and im not just giving him free reign on google Jan 25 09:38:35 heh Jan 25 09:38:37 lol, I've never watched it :P Jan 25 09:38:44 you my friend have a problem Jan 25 09:38:52 might i suggest ordering it from your local pbs affiliate? Jan 25 09:38:53 uh huh Jan 25 09:39:36 timeless, uk tv it was shown on bbc for years Jan 25 09:40:15 lcuk810, I've checked the weekly schedule for cbeebies (without my brother catching me) and I haven't found one mention of thomas the tank engine Jan 25 09:40:40 me neither, they have removed thomas from history Jan 25 09:41:05 timeless: i use the system load applet for screenshots Jan 25 09:41:08 underground ernie is the new hot, Jan 25 09:41:09 he must have done something! Jan 25 09:41:10 Make up a story about how it's changed into "Finley the Fire Engine" :P Jan 25 09:41:39 http://www.hitentertainment.com/portal/us/premium/ThomasSpecialDelivery/ Jan 25 09:41:40 he tips his head to the side and says dont be stupid Jan 25 09:41:48 qwerty: Try "Thomas and Friends" instead Jan 25 09:41:49 hehe Jan 25 09:42:55 lcuk810: you, dear sir, have an awesome son Jan 25 09:43:23 heh Jan 25 09:43:24 You can actually get the episodes on torrents >.<. Almost as fun as downloading the ikea catalogue for 2009 via torrent :P Jan 25 09:43:29 * aquatix thinks he should gather some more experience before starting on kids himself Jan 25 09:43:41 qwerty12: lol Jan 25 09:43:45 timeless, coool Jan 25 09:43:55 qwerty12: we got that catalogue in the mail already :P Jan 25 09:44:13 aquatix, hehe :P Jan 25 09:44:22 Anything new and exciting? :D Jan 25 09:44:29 we have ikea about 3 miles away Jan 25 09:44:32 dunno, don't read it ;) Jan 25 09:44:35 hah Jan 25 09:44:38 qwerty12: weird q, when you did your mer install, and wifi didnt work, was your root passwd set? Jan 25 09:44:51 but the girlfriend suddenly has new ideas now and then Jan 25 09:45:03 Stskeeps, nope, I just untarred the tar.gz to the partition. Didn't use the installer Jan 25 09:45:28 lcuk810, hah, my "nearest" one is in Thurrock >.< Jan 25 09:45:28 aquatiz, give your girlfriend one rule for ikea, if she can carry it she can have it Jan 25 09:45:53 you will watch your gf turn inot a packhorse Jan 25 09:45:59 into Jan 25 09:46:04 *g* Jan 25 09:46:23 well, she will get a trolley anyway i guess :/ Jan 25 09:46:26 i was amazed at how much she carried Jan 25 09:46:31 haha Jan 25 09:46:56 qwerty12: k, might be why - atm HAL just crashes randomly, heh Jan 25 09:47:07 lol aquatix, trolleys are for big hardware shopping, the danger with a trolley andjust browsing is the little stuff Jan 25 09:47:27 Stskeeps, so I should reinstall mer and chroot into it and do "passwd root"? Jan 25 09:47:35 "i just need a few bits" Jan 25 09:47:44 lcuk810: uh-huh :) Jan 25 09:47:46 lol Jan 25 09:48:09 qwerty12: ppossibly Jan 25 09:48:31 i cant promise it works Jan 25 09:48:43 mornin sts Jan 25 09:49:25 so... no takers on my feed reader? Jan 25 09:49:42 i dont have that one on Jan 25 09:49:53 timeless: it did something clever by ignoring you? Jan 25 09:50:08 oh, i just need some pictures Jan 25 09:50:14 the add dialog has: Jan 25 09:50:22 [ok][change folder][browse][cancel] Jan 25 09:50:34 the info has" Jan 25 09:50:39 (get the system load applet with the screenshot stuff build-in) Jan 25 09:50:49 [ok][unsubscribe ][change folder][cancel] Jan 25 09:50:58 note how both have change folder? Jan 25 09:51:02 but not in the same position Jan 25 09:51:15 fun Jan 25 09:51:18 aquatix: i'm not running official releases Jan 25 09:51:21 qwerty12: if wifi still doesnt, check if hald is in process list Jan 25 09:51:25 so i'm not going to use my device for pictures Jan 25 09:51:26 timeless: ah, check Jan 25 09:51:31 kk Jan 25 09:51:33 Stskeeps, k Jan 25 09:52:08 timeless: hmmm, looks like the total set is "[ok][unsubscribe ][change folder][browse][cancel]" Jan 25 09:52:39 `pick any 4' :) Jan 25 09:52:40 aquatix: you're thinking about it um... Jan 25 09:52:45 stop thinking about it :) Jan 25 09:52:49 timeless: but that's a bit non-consistent Jan 25 09:53:09 the code treats each dialog individually Jan 25 09:53:26 and based on the fact they're reversed, i'm fairly confident that the ui designer didn't think abotu it Jan 25 09:53:29 about Jan 25 09:53:39 yep Jan 25 09:53:39 3 cheers for the ui designer Jan 25 09:53:44 s/ch/j Jan 25 09:54:10 i would put the [change folder] one next to the [ok] in both i guess Jan 25 09:54:12 anyway. "please file a bug" Jan 25 09:54:15 to make it consistent Jan 25 09:54:19 heh, yeah :/ Jan 25 09:54:29 i'd actually put it in slot 3 Jan 25 09:54:35 i would slap the person who used a dialog box with too many buttons anyway Jan 25 09:54:43 since import (which is a better name for browse) is closer to add Jan 25 09:55:09 [save][delete|import][move][cancel] Jan 25 09:55:25 but all i ask for is consistency Jan 25 09:55:44 qwerty12: you're there? Jan 25 09:55:49 radic_, yes Jan 25 09:56:03 qwerty12: I need the URL to depmod again Jan 25 09:56:30 qwerty12: and a howto how I build a initfs-image Jan 25 09:56:42 timeless, consistency also makes it easier for translation Jan 25 09:56:49 radic_, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=depmod Jan 25 09:56:55 lcukx41: non lame strings help there too Jan 25 09:57:17 radic_, https://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image Jan 25 09:57:33 ok Jan 25 09:57:40 yeah your rant a couple of days ago is good, for most of the time we dont hear too much of a push towards it Jan 25 09:57:41 thx qwerty12 Jan 25 09:57:42 suppose the rss feed reader is "busy" Jan 25 09:58:04 and you try to use the add feed dialog Jan 25 09:58:08 you push a grayed out button Jan 25 09:58:14 if you got an info note that said: Jan 25 09:58:15 *put a cup of coffee in front of qwerty12* Jan 25 09:58:16 "Please wait until the ongoing subscription completes" Jan 25 09:58:23 would you understand it? Jan 25 09:58:31 radic_, hehe, I don't drink tea nor coffee :P Jan 25 09:58:31 radic, offer him ribena Jan 25 09:58:40 with a straw Jan 25 09:59:27 qwerty12: it starts with caffienated soft drinks.. Jan 25 09:59:29 qwerty12: you can call it tea ;) Jan 25 09:59:50 Stskeeps, oh, of course I drink them :P Jan 25 09:59:55 radic_, will do ;P Jan 25 10:00:23 It's cold in here Jan 25 10:00:45 i'm writing en-US atm Jan 25 10:01:18 * qwerty12 feels sorry for anyone who writes in false English Jan 25 10:01:36 * timeless feels sorry for anyone forced to read Nokia English Jan 25 10:01:45 hehe Jan 25 10:02:00 Nokia English? what'S that? Jan 25 10:02:07 it's what you get w/ every nokia product Jan 25 10:02:22 en_NO Jan 25 10:02:27 lol Jan 25 10:02:29 en_FI Jan 25 10:02:40 de_DE ftw! Jan 25 10:03:00 also einigen wir uns auf deutsch... Jan 25 10:03:02 i think formally en-FI-nok-engineering Jan 25 10:03:04 or something Jan 25 10:03:12 * timeless can't remember the proper way to tag such things Jan 25 10:03:57 http://static.maemo.org/static/6/6d5c1f9275df11dda02b69c9de3ac8bec8be_main_menu_of_the_applet.png <- is this on Mer? Jan 25 10:04:34 presumably Diablo-SDK Jan 25 10:06:48 hrm Jan 25 10:06:54 if you had 10 feeds Jan 25 10:06:56 damn have to get out of bed Jan 25 10:06:58 and 1 feed didn't update Jan 25 10:07:02 would Jan 25 10:07:16 "Couldn't update all feeds" be an ok message? Jan 25 10:07:39 "Not all feeds could be updated" Jan 25 10:07:43 (pick one) Jan 25 10:07:44 "could not update 1 or more feeds" Jan 25 10:08:05 that's too close to the nokia text for my taste Jan 25 10:08:25 "Use Google Reader instead" Jan 25 10:08:33 * timeless slapps rst38h Jan 25 10:08:39 * lcukx41 must be part finish Jan 25 10:08:42 RST38h: i use both actually Jan 25 10:08:43 "Click OK to start Google Reader in your web browser" Jan 25 10:08:57 rst38h: sadly, i have no code control Jan 25 10:08:59 aquatix: I honestly tried using built in Maemo reader but could not Jan 25 10:09:11 RST38h: i only use it for 3 or 4 feeds Jan 25 10:09:14 just daily news Jan 25 10:09:23 google reader for everything else Jan 25 10:09:36 aquatix: Gooreader's iPhone UI works like a charm Jan 25 10:09:50 i just open hundreds of tabs, i dont like feed readers because they lose the page style of the site i want Jan 25 10:09:58 RST38h: except that i don't have an iphone, not will i have one in the distant future :) Jan 25 10:10:06 lcukx41: ick Jan 25 10:10:12 aquatix: You did not understand :) Jan 25 10:10:22 RST38h: ah, now i do :) Jan 25 10:10:27 aquatix; iPhone Gooreader works perfectly well in MicroB ;) Jan 25 10:10:31 oh Jan 25 10:10:36 there is one? Jan 25 10:10:40 yep Jan 25 10:10:40 that's new for me Jan 25 10:10:47 i only know the normal mobile one Jan 25 10:10:47 a moment Jan 25 10:11:19 http://www.google.com/reader/i/ ? Jan 25 10:11:31 neat Jan 25 10:11:44 that's damn neat Jan 25 10:11:45 aquatix, i wonder if theres a way to keep the original format of the site whilst in the feedreader Jan 25 10:12:07 aquatix: http://www.google.com/reader/i/ Jan 25 10:12:09 yea Jan 25 10:12:38 and what about ancient sites which dont have decent feeds Jan 25 10:13:01 lcukx41: those i visit or ignore :) Jan 25 10:13:15 bloglines mentioned something about keeping the style, I'd rather they all look the same Jan 25 10:13:19 * RST38h would really like to have the Gooreader iPhone UI *minus* the MicroB Jan 25 10:13:22 should be able to open the page, highlight a template to grab and include it anyway Jan 25 10:13:30 But it probably isn't gonna happen any time soon Jan 25 10:13:31 but there aren't much that don't have a feed or have a third party scraping them Jan 25 10:13:40 lcukx41: google reader can do that btw Jan 25 10:13:48 cool Jan 25 10:13:53 loads the post inside the reader Jan 25 10:13:59 not that i care i just open browser and wander round Jan 25 10:14:16 prefer original sites mainly, but would accept floating articles cut from within Jan 25 10:14:20 there's 101 websites that make rss feeds out of websites for you, or email Jan 25 10:14:32 lcuk: Most sites are too heave for the tablet though Jan 25 10:14:41 s/heave/heavy/ Jan 25 10:14:41 RST38h meant: lcuk: Most sites are too heavy for the tablet though Jan 25 10:14:51 wow, that's annoying Jan 25 10:15:11 including ITT Jan 25 10:15:20 ITT has got a mobile UI Jan 25 10:15:37 Minimal, but there isn't much to want from ITT Jan 25 10:15:50 RST38h: agreed in part, but the tablet *can* handle them, just not in a reasonable time - and thats not anything against the browser, its a problem of the site designers going ott Jan 25 10:16:22 itt should use a light style by default, not just having a logged in mobile ui Jan 25 10:16:37 RST38h: that i version works quite well, thanks :) Jan 25 10:16:38 it should be geared top down to operate smoothly on devices without having an account Jan 25 10:16:42 its offputting to new users Jan 25 10:16:45 wonder how i overlooked it Jan 25 10:16:50 lcuk: that isn't sufficient consolation Jan 25 10:17:12 ITT also opens links in new windows, how can I stop that in microb? Jan 25 10:17:13 heh yeah i knpw Jan 25 10:17:23 aquatix: fwiw, the browser team uses the /i/ version Jan 25 10:17:36 we even talked about hacking the browser to auto get that version for people Jan 25 10:17:36 i hope the talk.maemo.org is better Jan 25 10:17:43 or whatever its called Jan 25 10:17:56 lcuk: naaah Jan 25 10:18:46 for unknown to me reasob, maemo.org pages do not seem to be designed for maemo Jan 25 10:18:59 timeless: or ask google to redirect with an option to get the regular one? Jan 25 10:19:22 they do something similar with mobile browsers and for example youtube Jan 25 10:19:32 and the search engine itself Jan 25 10:20:51 # Information note; FEed re3ader sucks Jan 25 10:21:05 why? Jan 25 10:21:06 aquatix: communicationi is hard Jan 25 10:21:36 mavhc: why what? Jan 25 10:21:50 why does it suck? Jan 25 10:22:01 timeless: what do you mean, 'communication is hard'? Jan 25 10:22:06 the complete list of whys will not fit in the margins of this chat Jan 25 10:22:11 completely offtopic, this thinkpad rocks Jan 25 10:22:24 lcukx41: :) Jan 25 10:22:31 * lcukx41 has never had a laptop which works before Jan 25 10:22:33 lcukx41: which one do you have? Jan 25 10:22:33 RST38bis, is fMSX compatible with Metal Gear 1? (or is my rom just corrupt... - metal gear 2 loads up fine) Jan 25 10:23:04 aquatix: lenovo x41 wacom touch based Jan 25 10:23:17 timeless: so there's a website? I quite like it for reading a few feeds, uses less ram Jan 25 10:23:43 mavhc: i'm trying to fix the translation of Diablo Jan 25 10:23:47 lcukx41: ah, nice :) Jan 25 10:23:50 which means i have to read each set of strings Jan 25 10:24:01 for each error case, i have to try to reproduce and understand the error Jan 25 10:24:10 in most cases the error is caused by a design flaw Jan 25 10:24:14 there are dozens of them Jan 25 10:24:24 and while the app is simple, it's really poorly conceived Jan 25 10:24:33 more error strings than correct flow strings Jan 25 10:24:46 which is technically the right way to do it Jan 25 10:24:48 most error strings are because of errors in flow Jan 25 10:24:51 qwerty: works perfvectly well Jan 25 10:25:10 there are dozens of errors because the app can't handle the case where the user tries to add 2 feeds from the browser Jan 25 10:25:19 RST38bis, ah, could be my rom then - fmsx is saying error loading file or somesuch. Thanks Jan 25 10:26:50 definitely rom problem then Jan 25 10:26:50 then there are cute things Jan 25 10:27:15 mahvc: wait, you use this app? Jan 25 10:27:19 "timessless, don't touch me there" Jan 25 10:27:28 can you tell me what 'ctrl-f' does? Jan 25 10:27:36 timeless: search? Jan 25 10:27:52 aquatix: a question like this is going to require a more technical answer Jan 25 10:28:05 still talking about the rss reader right? Jan 25 10:28:10 right Jan 25 10:28:25 hmmm, search for text in all posts in the feeds? Jan 25 10:28:34 'the feeds'? Jan 25 10:28:35 or only currently selected feed Jan 25 10:28:43 all subscriptions Jan 25 10:28:55 ok, i'll give you a free answer "no, it doesn't do that" Jan 25 10:29:01 i know Jan 25 10:29:03 (al subscriptions) Jan 25 10:29:10 so, what does it do? :) Jan 25 10:29:27 for people playing at home, i have a device in front of me, and i know what it does Jan 25 10:29:35 but i also know what the menu item says Jan 25 10:29:44 and that isn't what it does Jan 25 10:30:01 looks for the text in currently selected feed Jan 25 10:30:05 *feed's posts Jan 25 10:30:11 aquatix: fwiw, it doesn't precisely search in the selected feed Jan 25 10:30:14 for one amusing case Jan 25 10:30:29 (it can be searching in 'search results') Jan 25 10:30:36 huh? Jan 25 10:30:49 you can 'search' all feeds Jan 25 10:30:58 and then find within that resulting Jan 25 10:31:39 ah right Jan 25 10:31:52 ok, so. the next question is... Jan 25 10:31:58 what kind of 'thing' are we talking about? Jan 25 10:32:02 is it a 'folder'? Jan 25 10:32:05 is it an 'apple'? Jan 25 10:32:07 search results view? Jan 25 10:32:15 is it a 'web page'? Jan 25 10:32:33 well, it's either the unlost portion of a feed, or the search results Jan 25 10:32:39 so what describes *that* :) Jan 25 10:32:50 `everything we could find' Jan 25 10:32:59 :P Jan 25 10:33:07 "Find in everything we coudl find" Jan 25 10:33:10 yeah um... Jan 25 10:33:12 haha Jan 25 10:33:38 "Find in search results and cached news items"? Jan 25 10:33:45 or is that too technical? Jan 25 10:33:53 too technical, and technically wrong Jan 25 10:34:00 ah Jan 25 10:34:01 since it's only searching either search results Jan 25 10:34:04 "Global search*" *YMMV Jan 25 10:34:08 or one portion of cached news item Jan 25 10:34:17 lcukx41: yeah, something like that Jan 25 10:34:18 lcukx41: stick around, i'll get to insulting that later Jan 25 10:34:24 hahahahaa Jan 25 10:34:27 (it will take a while) Jan 25 10:34:44 lol Jan 25 10:34:50 my current favorite is Jan 25 10:34:54 i'm using 'search' for 'a' Jan 25 10:34:59 and then find for 'police' Jan 25 10:35:04 it finds police a few times Jan 25 10:35:09 and then helpfully says 'no matches ofund' Jan 25 10:35:12 (typos mine) Jan 25 10:36:09 ok... Jan 25 10:36:15 so, would "Find in pane" be ok? Jan 25 10:36:19 my eldest is being so nice to me :D he wants to go out today (was grounded yesterday) i have 2 brews now :D Jan 25 10:36:23 "what's a pane?" Jan 25 10:36:34 lcukx41: lol Jan 25 10:36:54 lcukx41, planning on grounding him more often? :P Jan 25 10:36:54 lcukx41: he/she knows you well ;) Jan 25 10:37:00 lcukx41: he was grounded for stealing beer? ;) Jan 25 10:37:02 erm, he Jan 25 10:37:04 yeah he does Jan 25 10:37:14 Stskeeps: lol Jan 25 10:37:49 lolol no Jan 25 10:37:51 aquatix: answer: a pane is described in the help :^b Jan 25 10:37:59 he was grounded because he had a detention on friday Jan 25 10:37:59 see 'Browse subscribed feeds' Jan 25 10:38:12 The RSS feed reader displays information in two panes. Jan 25 10:40:02 msgid "rss_me_full_screen" Jan 25 10:40:02 msgstr "Full screen" Jan 25 10:40:06 msgid "rss_me_fullscreen" Jan 25 10:40:06 msgstr "Full screen" Jan 25 10:40:19 anyone wanna guess what the localization comments have to say about those two? :) Jan 25 10:41:13 luke wants linerider in liqbase Jan 25 10:41:45 Shame the flash version runs like shit on tablets :( Jan 25 10:41:47 timeless: `gaaaah'? Jan 25 10:41:56 yeah qwerty, we know Jan 25 10:41:58 # Jan 25 10:42:02 but i know i could render it nicely Jan 25 10:42:10 it's very verbose :) Jan 25 10:42:14 without all the browser overheads Jan 25 10:42:19 timeless: ghehehe Jan 25 10:42:30 technically, one # for each of those two items :) Jan 25 10:42:35 is there an opensource linerider Jan 25 10:42:44 what's a line rider? Jan 25 10:42:45 even in actionscript Jan 25 10:42:52 yeah, what's linerider? :) Jan 25 10:42:54 * aquatix googles Jan 25 10:42:58 linerider is hand drawn sketch dynamics Jan 25 10:43:12 like numpty physics? Jan 25 10:43:13 little dude falls and interacts with the sketches Jan 25 10:43:21 different, simpler Jan 25 10:43:25 ah, k Jan 25 10:43:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=bcu8ZdJ2dQo&gl=US <- neat Jan 25 10:44:05 luke has just said "YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS" hwen i said we are looking :) Jan 25 10:44:27 awesome Jan 25 10:45:06 him and his mates all play at school :) and he tries on the tablet and is unhappy with performance Jan 25 10:45:17 the drawings are so simple though that liqbase could really shine with it Jan 25 10:46:27 hmmmm Jan 25 10:48:29 that could be a really intersting project for him, Jan 25 10:49:55 also for me, cos its unlimited page size Jan 25 10:51:10 says "find in page" here, which is apparently what it does Jan 25 10:54:25 mavhc: you're missing a key detail Jan 25 10:54:28 there's no 'page' Jan 25 10:55:01 a page is a certain form of document Jan 25 10:55:11 and the thing you're searching isn't that Jan 25 10:55:21 please note that i've filed bugs about find in page in mail Jan 25 10:55:33 someone else's bug on the same subject finally got it fixed for fremantlw Jan 25 10:55:41 ok, find in current view? Jan 25 10:55:41 but it was a bug when i first filed it Jan 25 10:56:02 i've picked 'find in pane' because 'pane' is listed in the help Jan 25 10:56:22 if you think 'find in current view' is ok as a menu item (lengthwise) and in meaning, i'm willing to use it Jan 25 10:56:38 i considered it but don't think it adds much value and don't like the extra width Jan 25 10:56:53 and just 'find in view' ends up being problematic Jan 25 10:56:54 I'm fine with page Jan 25 10:57:01 not quite picky enough :) Jan 25 10:57:16 translation is a bitch apparently Jan 25 10:57:29 but, in that case, i hope you enjoy your nokia(c) product :) Jan 25 10:58:02 * timeless sighs Jan 25 10:58:20 where's the warning label that the feed reader might not start if it has too many subscribed feeds? Jan 25 10:58:23 * lcukx41 offers timeless a shot of vodka Jan 25 10:58:38 * timeless declines Jan 25 10:58:53 a group of russians offered me money on friday Jan 25 10:58:54 * lcukx41 persists Jan 25 10:59:00 * timeless was very thankful for the offer Jan 25 10:59:04 * timeless had to decline Jan 25 10:59:04 I wish they'd fix videocenter to not corrupt its database Jan 25 10:59:07 heh Jan 25 10:59:17 any other day i'd have accepted Jan 25 10:59:20 it was just bad timing Jan 25 10:59:30 * lcukx41 iwll remember that for the next summit Jan 25 10:59:32 but i was just glad to help them and glad that they showed their appreciation Jan 25 10:59:52 mavhc: i'm not sure the video center people exist Jan 25 10:59:58 * timeless should check Jan 25 11:01:49 I've found only dl'ing one thing at a time helps Jan 25 11:02:03 yeah, but you probably don't have 250-300 subscriptions Jan 25 11:02:11 the feed reader isn't starting Jan 25 11:02:15 all i get is a white screen Jan 25 11:02:23 well, ok, "that's a start" Jan 25 11:02:29 MAD Magazine is about to put out its 500th issue, but starting with its April publication, the mag is cutting down to only four issues per year. The feedback we've gotten from readers,' quipped Editor John Ficarra, 'is that only every third issue of MAD is funny, so we've decided to just publish those.' MAD Kids and MAD Classics are ceasing publication entirely. Jan 25 11:02:32 * RST38h weeps silently Jan 25 11:02:32 but is it too much to hask for a toolbar? Jan 25 11:02:45 rst38h: you're slow, that's been on /. for minutes! :) Jan 25 11:03:25 moo johnx Jan 25 11:03:34 hola! johnx Jan 25 11:03:42 timeless: your reader finally showed your /. feed? ;) Jan 25 11:03:47 hi Jan 25 11:03:52 morning johnx Jan 25 11:03:54 hey johnx Jan 25 11:03:55 * johnx hates sundays O_o Jan 25 11:04:04 hi all :D Jan 25 11:04:11 * Stskeeps doesn't like hildon-input-method atm Jan 25 11:04:29 not treating you right? Jan 25 11:04:39 aquatix: i read /. in ff Jan 25 11:04:46 timeless: ah ;) Jan 25 11:04:47 I have 4 feeds in the rss reader Jan 25 11:04:51 my reader is showing me a perfect image of a white screen Jan 25 11:04:57 except for the uggly TN stuff :) Jan 25 11:05:02 the comments are better than the articles anyway, as usual Jan 25 11:05:04 timeless: that's not minutes, that's 1.5h Jan 25 11:05:20 eh, i'm reading the monty python comments atm Jan 25 11:05:23 johnx, sundays arent so bad, it means you got through another week Jan 25 11:05:24 mavhc: yeah, i have 4 feeds in the reader too Jan 25 11:05:26 i'd have to go back to check the time Jan 25 11:05:39 lcukx41, sundays are my biggest work day Jan 25 11:05:42 But was it an increase in African or European DVD sales? Jan 25 11:05:42 African DVDs are non-migratory. Jan 25 11:05:47 timeless: well, according to my personal homepage, which has the feed in a box :) Jan 25 11:05:53 johnx: not popping up Jan 25 11:06:02 african dvds are all pirate copies anyway Jan 25 11:06:07 Stskeeps, for osso-xterm? or anything? Jan 25 11:06:08 johnx, mine too but ive got the kids this morning Jan 25 11:06:27 sunday mornings are for sleeping, not picking "Mac" out of the bath after he fell in at 8am Jan 25 11:06:30 johnx: discovered i had forgotten to update HIM with fremantle versions Jan 25 11:06:35 of course they don't work correctly.. Jan 25 11:06:53 Mack! Jan 25 11:07:01 wtf @ Downadup Worm Jan 25 11:07:01 Stskeeps, the big question is "Are they supposed to work? -and- Do they work for people inside Nokia?" Jan 25 11:07:38 johnx: they probably have hw keyboards :P Jan 25 11:07:43 what do I need to restore from backup to get my homepage radio player applet channels back? Jan 25 11:08:38 johnx: add yourself onto http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People btw :P Jan 25 11:09:27 is what supposed to work? Jan 25 11:09:38 johnx, dont he will wikirevert you, you have to send him an email Jan 25 11:09:41 timeless, fremantle level h-i-m Jan 25 11:10:02 lcukx41: mostly formal to get people on jaiku :P Jan 25 11:10:05 Stskeeps, fine, fine. :P Jan 25 11:10:06 so you mean an osk? Jan 25 11:10:09 yes they work Jan 25 11:10:16 i know that lol Jan 25 11:10:17 where work means they crash less often than h-d Jan 25 11:10:34 (which is a useless statement, since h-d crashes constantly) Jan 25 11:10:43 * Stskeeps tries to recompile the vkb example Jan 25 11:11:08 mavhc: wanna try breaking your feed reader? Jan 25 11:11:38 johnx: at least it breaks both on x86 and armel :P Jan 25 11:11:43 it's always nice to be able to test that Jan 25 11:11:55 I do prefer those bugs, I must admit Jan 25 11:12:05 you like consistency? Jan 25 11:12:10 that's no fun Jan 25 11:12:16 where's the excitement? Jan 25 11:12:38 timeless: then again i want to strange pulseaudio.. Jan 25 11:12:54 strangle? Jan 25 11:13:02 yeah, strangle Jan 25 11:13:03 :P Jan 25 11:13:13 strange, why? :p Jan 25 11:13:16 has anyone seen these very expensive keyboards with lcd display in the middle for showing feeds and stuff Jan 25 11:13:32 lcukx41: i never got approval for the laser keyboard :( Jan 25 11:13:34 lcuk810, yeah, it's called a nokia n810, right? Jan 25 11:13:34 well, it starts having weird mutex errors on armel occasionally Jan 25 11:13:35 :P Jan 25 11:13:37 lcukx41: you mean those things called `laptops'? Jan 25 11:13:43 lol johnx Jan 25 11:13:49 Sts: Why not start by murdering ALSA first? Jan 25 11:13:53 gaming keyboards Jan 25 11:14:00 RST38h: alsa doesn't die through assertions constantly Jan 25 11:14:10 Sts: Dies for me. Jan 25 11:14:10 our tablets dont interact with desktop that often Jan 25 11:14:22 lcukx41: i saw one with an lcd on the right, but that was an Asus htpc-in-keyboard Jan 25 11:14:35 ill find the link once flash and stuff is installed Jan 25 11:15:52 hrm Jan 25 11:16:07 you can sort in the feed reader? Jan 25 11:16:35 lcuk810, some logitech thing, right? I actually have/had a laptop that had a screen under the touchpad, but it was kind of an awful laptop... Jan 25 11:16:38 apparently Jan 25 11:16:53 does it do something useful? Jan 25 11:16:58 lcukx41, a logitech g15? Jan 25 11:17:01 firefox is a look at te logitech g15, its not the exact model but thats the sort of thing Jan 25 11:17:11 the one i saw on friday had a 320*240 lcd in same location Jan 25 11:17:14 lol yeah Jan 25 11:17:18 * timeless wonders why software would look at hardware Jan 25 11:17:20 timeless: only if you want to sort news postings alfabetically Jan 25 11:17:28 on `name' no less :/ Jan 25 11:17:34 helps if i read Jan 25 11:18:16 * aquatix is off for a bit Jan 25 11:18:28 timeless: good luck Jan 25 11:18:40 g19 Jan 25 11:19:04 anyway, i have written numerous applications which interact with windows Jan 25 11:19:26 from little servers to fullblown desktop apps Jan 25 11:19:52 my n810 sits between keyboard and monitor just like that Jan 25 11:20:13 clicking on links on the tablet should be made to open windows in windows Jan 25 11:20:13 johnx: heads up, synaptics driver tries to steal your touchscreen input btw :P Jan 25 11:20:29 ah, cute Jan 25 11:20:35 yeah, saw that on jaiku Jan 25 11:20:44 was quite worried about what was meant by "harmfull" :P Jan 25 11:21:06 blows up your tablet ;P Jan 25 11:21:16 xsp driver eats input too Jan 25 11:21:48 lcukx41: this one thinks your touchscreen is a synaptics tablet Jan 25 11:22:10 ahh Jan 25 11:22:57 but the touch sensitivity of tablet is not right is it Jan 25 11:23:17 synaptics use a textured surface to ensure it knows you are touching it Jan 25 11:23:37 i can techncially stroke across tablet without registering Jan 25 11:24:04 also the tablet does not report pressure correctly Jan 25 11:24:04 well it shouldn't be touching the device at all :) Jan 25 11:24:56 RST38h: pressue isnt that big a deal re synaptics Jan 25 11:25:17 heh Jan 25 11:25:19 hrm, this outchpad is alps Jan 25 11:25:30 but yeah, there is an uneven distribution of pressure - same with most touch devices Jan 25 11:26:24 very difficult to get something calibrated and true Jan 25 11:27:51 "ouchpad" if you poke it too hard it cries Jan 25 11:29:11 lcuk: isn't uneven pressure distribution easy to calibrate for? Jan 25 11:29:24 I mean, it should still be relatively linear Jan 25 11:29:45 and will depend on how the display is bent Jan 25 11:29:51 johnx: think i'm reverting HIM, they don't seem to work sanely Jan 25 11:30:03 its not linear though, its gonna be roughly the same for each device due to the layout of the wiring) Jan 25 11:31:15 lcuk: for small bends (i.e. much smaller than the overall surface size) it is going to be close to lienar Jan 25 11:31:22 you need to map where you get interference and lower resolution for the same pressure pressed and create a pair of glasses for it Jan 25 11:31:33 aha Jan 25 11:31:55 a similar map is needed to fix the interference for the camera :) Jan 25 11:32:00 Stskeeps, yeah, seems totally reasonable. Jan 25 11:32:04 (they did the same for hubble as well) Jan 25 11:32:15 * RST38h is impressed now =) Jan 25 11:32:46 heh Jan 25 11:32:47 all right, TTG Jan 25 11:33:13 * RST38h made one more fix to the frame rate counter but not going to upload this version to extras for now Jan 25 11:33:22 :) cya later rst Jan 25 11:33:52 actually, two fixes, second one dealing with interpolating video buffers which have non-1:1 dimensions Jan 25 11:34:11 shouldn't the OS handle pressure compensation? Jan 25 11:34:18 hola Jan 25 11:34:24 pupnik: Should be handled in the driver but isn't Jan 25 11:34:57 pupnik: I do not think the pressure value was very important for Maemo guys - the OS UI has no use for it Jan 25 11:35:20 pupnik, yes but its very specific to the panel and device its situated within, the OS could allow a mapping file to be linked to each input device to smooth it out, but to be honest, its just not worth the extra hassle or complexity Jan 25 11:35:33 RST38h: pressure is useful in xournal for instance Jan 25 11:35:34 when writing Jan 25 11:35:38 the normal input does not use pressure so a gradient doesnt matter so much Jan 25 11:36:01 and thats coming from someone who had pressure in liqbase from the start :) Jan 25 11:36:47 ok thanks lcukx41 Jan 25 11:36:49 and even with a slightly uneven distribution of pressure gradients its just like now when drawing with pencil on paper, you will get uneven sections Jan 25 11:36:55 how do you like the x41 so far? Jan 25 11:37:19 i got lucky with my display Jan 25 11:37:33 :) well im in bed now, its the first proper laptop ive had and battery lasts amazingly well and its nice Jan 25 11:37:52 (battery lasts cos i am locked to 800mhz) Jan 25 11:38:24 or its just decent lol, am used to craptops which have bad bateries Jan 25 11:41:03 how good is the screen in moderate lighting (daylight, indoor) Jan 25 11:41:07 @ lcukx41 Jan 25 11:42:21 pupnik i havent noticed a problem with it, its just a screen Jan 25 11:42:32 Could someone please explain me how to build a single package of multi-source-package? for example: php5 => php5-mysql Jan 25 11:43:45 build entire thing :P Jan 25 11:44:00 you could build all the stuff seperately Jan 25 11:44:11 pupnik: how? Jan 25 11:44:12 then manually pack the stuff into one big .deb using dpkg Jan 25 11:44:44 but that violates how the debian packaging system is supposed to work Jan 25 11:45:15 using dpkg command, you can pack any tree of stuff into a .deb which will install Jan 25 11:45:42 but i won't assist further in doing bad things :P Jan 25 11:45:55 pupnik: no... "dpkg-buildpackage -h" wants to make lots of packages ... php5 and it's plugins but I just need php5 and one of the plugins Jan 25 11:46:05 ohhh Jan 25 11:46:09 jes Jan 25 11:46:28 thopiekar, it's easiest to just let it build all the packages Jan 25 11:46:44 then you can/must edit the buildfiles in the "debian" directory of the source package Jan 25 11:47:17 pull out unneeded deps from debian/rules etc Jan 25 11:47:30 but the exact steps can vary Jan 25 11:47:46 need to edit: debian/files debian/control and debian/rules Jan 25 11:47:47 at least Jan 25 11:48:56 johnx: but I don't need every plugin of the multipackage and solving all dependences is wasting time -.- Jan 25 11:49:29 johnx, pupnik: thanks Jan 25 11:49:43 * Stskeeps hugs Mer Jan 25 11:50:33 Stskeeps, :) Jan 25 11:50:41 is it just me or is the debmaster job saga feeling like "x factor" ? Jan 25 11:51:05 lcukx41, like x-men? Jan 25 11:52:05 lol no Jan 25 11:52:16 unless we have some super heroes Jan 25 11:52:25 * johnx wanted a mutant debmaster Jan 25 11:52:43 improper debian/changelog file! *laser eyes* Jan 25 11:52:57 i think the council should get themselves some lycra suits and become the powerrangers Jan 25 11:53:20 lcukx41: bad bad mental image Jan 25 11:53:25 i think i should get out of bed anyway Jan 25 11:53:38 Stskeeps: hahahaha yeah Jan 25 11:53:43 bbl Jan 25 11:54:15 they have something waaaay better than the power rangers here. They're like the power rangers, except instead of a secret base they drive a lunch truck Jan 25 11:56:32 johnx: only in japan.. Jan 25 11:56:44 :D Jan 25 12:00:03 hmm, am i the only one who think it's odd you can thumbs up both on planet and on a community council post? Jan 25 12:00:16 heh Jan 25 12:00:25 i sense karma corruption! Jan 25 12:00:54 cultural note: in some countries the thumbs down means "I'll kill you." Jan 25 12:10:19 and thumbs up? Jan 25 12:10:36 nah, that's safe everywhere :P Jan 25 12:10:36 i'll f**K you? Jan 25 12:10:49 don't be silly :D Jan 25 12:10:49 :D Jan 25 12:11:02 me? never .... Jan 25 12:13:08 * bongo will be back (time for ganja) Jan 25 12:14:07 bongo, FYI: publicly logged channel :) Jan 25 12:14:31 johnx, could be in acountry where it doesnt matter Jan 25 12:14:40 or he just doesnt care Jan 25 12:14:58 i don't care Jan 25 12:14:59 .de? tell that to the customs people i ran into back in 2002 Jan 25 12:15:02 hence the 'FYI' and not 'OHNOES!!!' Jan 25 12:15:32 * suihkulokki wonders when immigration people will start to google ones name before letting in Jan 25 12:15:55 I live 88 km Jan 25 12:16:05 suihkulokki, i have something like 7 billion google results Jan 25 12:16:08 the USA blocked Cat Steven's entry just recently Jan 25 12:16:11 8 km away from the netherlands Jan 25 12:16:32 so nobody cares about smoking here Jan 25 12:16:48 qwerty12_N800: did we figure out why nit-kernel-compat crashed btw? Jan 25 12:17:10 (benson tried it i think) Jan 25 12:17:36 Stskeeps, nope, I've never looked at it tbh Jan 25 12:18:14 k Jan 25 12:18:20 i'll look at it tomorrow i think Jan 25 12:18:58 anyone want anything from the shop while im there Jan 25 12:19:24 lcuk: bread Jan 25 12:19:31 lcuk, a good british beer Jan 25 12:20:18 Haha for lcuk -- your GBP in 3 years http://www.bitsofnews.com/images/graphics/economy/weimar.jpg Jan 25 12:20:36 "your turn!" - lolz Jan 25 12:20:49 johnx, do they exist? Jan 25 12:21:02 hehe pupnik Jan 25 12:21:04 lcuk, dunno, you're the one at the store :P Jan 25 12:21:32 not yet im not and i dont think my wifi will last Jan 25 12:21:37 suppose i need to find out Jan 25 12:22:00 wed shall see Jan 25 12:24:32 gah, editing wiki tables is ugly Jan 25 12:27:01 Stskeeps, er, wait, so did you want me to add myself directly to http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People or send you an email? Jan 25 12:27:44 yeah, just add yourself :P Jan 25 12:28:01 * johnx adds self, breaks the table Jan 25 12:30:50 qwerty12_N800: btw advanced power, gconf is in python-gconf Jan 25 12:33:12 there, fine. :P joined the Mer project finally Jan 25 12:33:32 hehe Jan 25 12:33:48 Stskeeps, ok. I'll fix it later Jan 25 12:33:58 qwerty12_N800: ta, sorry to be bugging you :) Jan 25 12:34:19 it's really impressive some of the gaps maemo has towards upstream :P Jan 25 12:34:23 heh, it's no problems :) Jan 25 12:34:52 johnx: btw was your hildon-desktop-env with root password and admins group ever built? Jan 25 12:35:00 (can't recall :P) Jan 25 12:35:06 nope. actually, I have time to test it now Jan 25 12:35:06 but don't delete the source packages now please, i don't have them available locally :p Jan 25 12:35:20 these last two days the real world was being rather time intensive Jan 25 12:35:33 hehe, i had that last week Jan 25 12:35:49 people! in my house! sleeping on my floor! Jan 25 12:35:50 i've sat so much time studying and writing on paper that my neck is complaining :P Jan 25 12:36:03 finally done though right? Jan 25 12:36:08 mmm Jan 25 12:36:08 will it last Jan 25 12:36:32 lcuk810, are you walking to the store connected to wifi? Jan 25 12:36:57 johnx: yeah, and courses starting again tomorrow Jan 25 12:37:01 only one course and exam in 1/2 a year Jan 25 12:37:09 and thesis exam in 3/4 year Jan 25 12:37:17 skeery Jan 25 12:37:24 at least you're free for now though Jan 25 12:37:32 and the first week of classes never counts Jan 25 12:37:34 yeah.. should start cleaning the house though Jan 25 12:37:40 as gf is coming home Jan 25 12:38:00 I don't just have to clean...I have to get ready to move O_o Jan 25 12:38:25 ick :P moving to another apartment in jp or? Jan 25 12:38:35 back to the US :) Jan 25 12:38:38 alright Jan 25 12:39:16 * Stskeeps glares at hildon input method Jan 25 12:39:24 sure will be fun trying to figure out what to do with the stuff we've accumulated over 2 years here Jan 25 12:39:49 hm Jan 25 12:39:58 Stskeeps: that thing still running slow for you? Jan 25 12:40:14 Macer: haven't been touching it to be honest, been so busy last week Jan 25 12:40:19 and then i've just been hacking away at Mer Jan 25 12:40:23 yes Jan 25 12:40:25 ah.. ok Jan 25 12:40:37 i think it dropped though Jan 25 12:40:48 i couldnt see any updates Jan 25 12:41:04 shall have to improvethat soon Jan 25 12:41:04 well.. let me know if you still use it or have problems with it Jan 25 12:41:25 if you do then i'll just give you a dedicated box here when i get the time to build it Jan 25 12:41:30 lcuk810, so are you switching APs as you go or just walking really slowly and haven't made it out of your front yard yet? Jan 25 12:41:47 * Stskeeps glares at hildon input method again Jan 25 12:41:52 walked about 200mts to the shop Jan 25 12:41:58 why doesn't it work in the old version now Jan 25 12:42:20 i need a better ap on my roof Jan 25 12:42:25 its like old cb Jan 25 12:42:32 ill put a big 22ft pole up there Jan 25 12:43:51 lcuk, then get busted by the UK equivalent of the FCC Jan 25 12:44:05 why? i wouldnt up the wattage Jan 25 12:44:20 i can use a large antenna and not do anything illegal :) Jan 25 12:44:28 unless of course its so large it gets in the flightpath Jan 25 12:44:44 yeah, I guess I was thinking a directional antenna Jan 25 12:45:06 directional or not, the problem is the power output Jan 25 12:45:48 but directional = more power output in a certain area Jan 25 12:46:15 yeah, but still only at most X watts whatever is being put out Jan 25 12:46:46 right, but the law is usually about wattage directed at a given space Jan 25 12:47:11 i could be living next door to someone with an omnidirectional rig outputting the same power and have the same problem Jan 25 12:47:53 yes, you're free to have your problems anywhere Jan 25 12:48:14 johnx: in ham radio, you can do those things. Jan 25 12:48:27 make your antenna as directional as you want. Jan 25 12:48:34 but HAM radio is licensed Jan 25 12:48:40 yah. Jan 25 12:48:50 I have a problem to build some debs from the apt-sources (of ubuntu).. to make a fresh debhelper .deb (for maemo) I need man-db but man-db requires debhelper, too...!! Jan 25 12:53:38 lcuk, (rereading) didn't mean to come off quite that snarky ... :( Jan 25 12:54:19 didnt think you were johnx :) Jan 25 12:54:55 I tend to worry about how I come across in a text only medium Jan 25 12:57:55 johnx: do you remember our strange h-d & pulseaudio problem? Jan 25 12:58:01 with the mutexes and mabob Jan 25 12:58:16 that magically went away with xorg vs xomap? Jan 25 12:58:48 or was this hildon input method.. Jan 25 12:59:01 ah, sorry. yeah, that was h-i-m Jan 25 12:59:14 didn't remember an h-d problem with pulse I thought... Jan 25 12:59:15 gah Jan 25 12:59:32 * johnx loses his mind Jan 25 12:59:34 hehe Jan 25 12:59:39 * Stskeeps did that last night Jan 25 13:00:02 I'm just really glad I take mondays off Jan 25 13:02:32 * timeless tries to decide which is a better localization comment Jan 25 13:02:51 # Main title of application menu: D Jan 25 13:02:56 msgstr "View" Jan 25 13:03:02 # Main title of application menu: Close Jan 25 13:03:06 msgstr "Help" Jan 25 13:03:11 anyone have a preference? :) Jan 25 13:03:28 Help going to 'Close' would be kinda ironic.. Jan 25 13:03:35 hmm why isn't debconf-utils not available in the diablo-sdk repo? Jan 25 13:03:55 thopiekar: because Maemo is werid Jan 25 13:03:56 :P Jan 25 13:03:59 * thopiekar needs it to make packages of openldap2 Jan 25 13:04:04 it's not for fun that we do Mer Jan 25 13:04:09 well, part of it is Jan 25 13:04:39 obviously the most helpful thing the app can do is run away Jan 25 13:04:44 johnx: i've lost hope in computers. old HIM packages breaks too Jan 25 13:04:44 and let you find some other app to run Jan 25 13:04:45 :) Jan 25 13:05:01 yeah, definitely h-i-m dying in xomap and/or pulseaudio Jan 25 13:05:09 * thopiekar is going crazy when looking at his mindmap to solve all dependences for php5 !! Jan 25 13:05:55 if my memory is going to keep going dowhill I'm going to need to get a lot better at grepping logs Jan 25 13:05:57 thopiekar, cant you just build everything Jan 25 13:06:51 lcuk, that's the problem :P he needs to build some dependencies for php5, and they have dependencies, etc Jan 25 13:06:57 lcuk: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot says that some packages are missing Jan 25 13:07:08 johnx: thats right Jan 25 13:07:23 Omegamoon, hey. I think I'm close to having an xserver-kdrive deb source package for ubuntu :) Jan 25 13:07:50 thopiekar, might be simpler starting with gentoo :D Jan 25 13:07:51 the best thing is that debhelper depends on man-db and man-db on debhelper -.-! Jan 25 13:07:55 thopiekar: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-php5-mysql.png <- and this is why i love Mer. Jan 25 13:08:19 have you ready packages? Jan 25 13:08:26 yup, most of ubuntu :) Jan 25 13:09:10 * thopiekar asks himself why on hell he is building the packages... Jan 25 13:09:21 Stskeeps: where can i find them? Jan 25 13:09:22 thopiekar: because you want it to work on Maemo? :P Jan 25 13:09:26 cos for now mer is not complete Jan 25 13:09:40 :( Jan 25 13:09:40 and what lcuk said Jan 25 13:09:44 people Jan 25 13:09:47 'll have to wait a bit :P Jan 25 13:09:49 Stskeeps: so these are not armel-packages? Jan 25 13:09:59 thopiekar: those are armel packages but im not confident they'd work on maemo Jan 25 13:10:13 I'm confident they won't work on maemo Jan 25 13:11:10 hmm should I continue my dirty work? Jan 25 13:11:22 thopiekar: it's good practice.. Jan 25 13:11:22 :P Jan 25 13:11:27 yes Jan 25 13:11:36 thopiekar: what are you trying to do exactly btw? Jan 25 13:12:13 build all packages of the multipackage php5-xy (the newest version of ubuntu) Jan 25 13:12:17 same as everyone else, take over the world one package at a time Jan 25 13:12:25 thopiekar: for what purpose, i meant Jan 25 13:13:22 aah someone wrote me yesterday on irc he would need php-mysql5 Jan 25 13:13:28 ah. Jan 25 13:13:34 thought so :) Jan 25 13:13:41 * lcuk giggles Jan 25 13:13:54 thopiekar, you're a more generous man than me :) Jan 25 13:14:25 i just ./configure;make:make install uploaded it to rapidshare and he gave me 4,55€'s^^ but than he said that he needs debs Jan 25 13:14:34 so i'm now working on it Jan 25 13:14:35 ^^ Jan 25 13:14:45 ah, and he wouldn't take my 27 euro rate :P Jan 25 13:14:55 lol Jan 25 13:15:09 ahaha...last time I sold homework was in school Jan 25 13:15:29 ;D Jan 25 13:16:02 how much will you charge not to tell his teacher? Jan 25 13:16:04 qwerty12_N800: bashism in advanced-power postinst btw Jan 25 13:16:33 (i'm testing it with hald-addon-bme :P) Jan 25 13:16:47 Stskeeps, the reboot part? Jan 25 13:16:52 yeah Jan 25 13:17:51 'twas taken from the original :), but unless the maemo-confirm-text exists, it shouldn't show Jan 25 13:18:03 johnx: maybe we should set up a consultant house for maemo matters.. Jan 25 13:18:03 :P Jan 25 13:18:18 huh...paid tech support for mer? Jan 25 13:18:21 hehe Jan 25 13:18:40 nah, just for strange things you can do with mer and maemo if people cant be bothered figuring it out ;> Jan 25 13:19:19 * thopiekar is building tcl8.4 packages Jan 25 13:19:49 if you wanna save time, they're in the debfarm repo Jan 25 13:20:08 (tcl + tk) Jan 25 13:20:17 johnx: for release versions we should consider chvt tricks to hide some of the nasty things hildon shows while booting.. Jan 25 13:20:21 hmm I should edit my sources.list Jan 25 13:22:33 Stskeeps, I'll add that to my auto-startx todo list. but, anyways, I'm too tired to be useful tonight. will test and build stuff tomorrow Jan 25 13:22:36 nothing wrong with a proper business consultancy service tbh Jan 25 13:23:30 wow, advanced-power is very maemoized :P Jan 25 13:23:55 good or bad thing? :) Jan 25 13:24:03 * lcuk is enjoying adding new widgets, starting to get comfortable with the api and how to manage it Jan 25 13:24:11 qwerty12_N800: as in, we don't have run-standalone.sh for instance Jan 25 13:24:52 Stskeeps, ah, should be added though imo Jan 25 13:24:52 advanced-power-monitor, that is Jan 25 13:25:15 Did the gconf schema import succeed? Jan 25 13:25:26 think so Jan 25 13:25:32 wicked Jan 25 13:25:44 qwerty12_N800: does AP require APMD? Jan 25 13:26:08 Stskeeps, since ap 0.3.5, yer Jan 25 13:26:11 k Jan 25 13:28:08 also, gconf problem is solved with import gconf instead of from gnome import gconf Jan 25 13:28:42 (your dependancies are correct) Jan 25 13:29:55 * thopiekar got a headache when seeing gcj as a dependency Jan 25 13:31:22 Stskeeps, cool, I'll fix in about 3 hours Jan 25 13:31:34 > Unmet build dependencies: gfortran | fortran95-compiler ..... Jan 25 13:31:34 means that I need gfortran or fortran95-compiler, right? Jan 25 13:41:31 * thopiekar has 'touched' the end of the dependency-tree Jan 25 13:41:41 hehe Jan 25 13:42:25 thopiekar, RMS is saying "bad touch! bad touch!" Jan 25 13:42:37 RMS? Jan 25 13:43:55 http://linux.ues.edu.sv/servidor/maracosas/bruno2d/richard-stallman.jpg Jan 25 13:44:19 dpkg-buildpackage @ gcc: needed packages: dpkg-dev (>= 1.14.15) debhelper (>= 5.0.62) autogen dejagnu lzma binutils (>= 2.17cvs20070426) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.17cvs20070426) gperf (>= 3.0.1) bison (>= 1:2.3) flex libmpfr-dev (>= 2.3.0) realpath (>= 1.9.12) graphviz (>= 2.2) gsfonts-x11 texlive-latex-base Jan 25 13:44:26 almost upgrades -.- Jan 25 13:46:28 Jaffa has done a wicked job with the Mer front page :) Jan 25 13:48:11 qwerty12_N800, hasn't he just :) Jan 25 13:48:27 heh Jan 25 13:48:37 hildon-statusbar-battery dies when you put in charger :> Jan 25 13:48:40 funky Jan 25 13:49:12 Take it that AP didn't go so well? :P Jan 25 13:49:31 qwerty12_N800: added the run-standalone thing to todo Jan 25 13:49:57 right now i'm just trying different things from maemo Jan 25 13:49:57 jook it from the sdk Jan 25 13:49:58 s/jook/steal/ Jan 25 13:49:58 qwerty12_N800 meant: steal it from the sdk Jan 25 13:50:14 qwerty12_N800: yeah, except our ways of dealing with maemo settings is a bit different :) Jan 25 13:50:45 :) Jan 25 13:53:44 * lcuk is constantly impressed by how this is progressing Jan 25 13:54:08 :) there will be a video as soon as all the pieces come together Jan 25 13:54:23 then code to play with Jan 25 13:58:18 pkg-config doesnt know where to find docs for specific libraries does it Jan 25 14:03:59 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-homeip.png Jan 25 14:03:59 ;) Jan 25 14:04:52 khertan_: you need to add 'eth0' option to homeip too ;) Jan 25 14:18:33 Stskeeps, are you active? Jan 25 14:18:49 Jake42-2: more than you can beleave^^ Jan 25 14:41:47 argh! could someone please tell me what happend? Jan 25 14:41:47 checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables Jan 25 14:42:41 hey pupnik Jan 25 14:43:51 re Jan 25 14:44:36 qwerty12_N800: ta for the nice comment about the homepage, btw Jan 25 14:45:37 Jaffa, no problem, thanks for the work you've put into it. (as an outsider) it really makes Mer look good :) Jan 25 14:47:04 thopiekar, if this is ubuntu, google scratchbox+mmap+sysctf.conf Jan 25 14:47:10 sysctl.conf Jan 25 14:47:14 meh, too late Jan 25 14:47:19 yep, thanks Jan 25 14:47:32 Jaffa: what's the mer homepage? Jan 25 14:47:49 ~mer Jan 25 14:47:50 extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Jan 25 14:47:58 That ---^ Jan 25 14:48:05 back, again.. Jan 25 14:50:15 Stskeeps: the "Latest Activity" will now include any planet posts talking about mer Jan 25 14:51:16 oki Jan 25 14:51:45 i'm searching for a terminal where i can position the cursor with the stylus - anything out there? Jan 25 14:52:20 roxterm maybe and the application understanding x terminal cursor stuff? :P Jan 25 14:52:41 Stskeeps, i'll get round to actually testing advanced-power myself in Mer and fixing any problems I see arising Jan 25 14:53:05 emma_goldstein, people commonly use window managers and GUIs for that :P Jan 25 14:53:22 qwerty12_N800: alright Jan 25 14:53:28 * Stskeeps should go down and take the dishes Jan 25 14:55:05 ***lcuk - ??? Jan 25 14:55:37 when they wanna use cursors and clicking things Jan 25 14:58:48 lcuk: and what terminal emulater can i use for that on maemo? i just added shortcuts for left and right keys but even this is annoying when you want to change anything in the beginning of the line Jan 25 15:02:01 i dunno emma, what about adding shortcuts for home and end? Jan 25 15:02:08 where can I find the usb-home-plugin? Jan 25 15:02:14 i assume the default one will work with it Jan 25 15:02:18 the dpad acts as arrow keys, just hold down one direction... Jan 25 15:06:26 lcuk: sure, i'm just used to it from my os to click in the line and type, it's really a saver Jan 25 15:07:22 i cant do that in mine Jan 25 15:07:58 i cant comment on whats provided in maemo, but iirc, bash and zsh have key combos that will take one back or forward a word at a time... Jan 25 15:08:05 emma_goldstein, you know you can use the dpad, right? Jan 25 15:09:37 ga: sure, i'm just a heavy stylus user (coming from the newton), so i got to get comfort with sliding the keys Jan 25 15:10:46 I couldn't find the damn usb home plugin... Jan 25 15:14:19 Jaffa: ah, check :) Jan 25 15:14:50 Jaffa: looks nice indeed Jan 25 15:24:43 qwerty12_N800: can you help me to find that plugin? Jan 25 15:43:30 * thopiekar is building perl more than 1hour long on sb1 -.-' Jan 25 15:54:28 Hi... Jan 25 15:55:29 wtf @ "underwater" scene mode Jan 25 15:56:25 ? Jan 25 15:56:32 in the camera modes :P Jan 25 15:56:35 of rx-51 Jan 25 15:57:42 Stskeeps, what you dont take your n810 with you when you go diving? Jan 25 15:57:51 lcuk: i don't have a n810 :( Jan 25 15:58:08 * lcuk has taken his n810 with him every time he has been diving in the last year.. Jan 25 15:58:20 that reminds, me i must actually go diving this year Jan 25 15:58:57 thought you had one of everything Jan 25 15:59:16 Stskeeps: for shooting at an aquarium? :) Jan 25 15:59:27 dob: maybe Jan 25 15:59:45 hi, Stskeeps Jan 25 15:59:54 afternoon b-man Jan 25 16:00:23 or maybe to give images that underwater feel? ;) Jan 25 16:00:25 Stskeeps, I see repository.mer.tspre.org got icons :P Jan 25 16:00:35 it does? Jan 25 16:00:40 yes Jan 25 16:00:47 where? :P Jan 25 16:00:51 http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/a/advanced-power/ Jan 25 16:00:56 lookie at the icons :) Jan 25 16:00:56 I'm betting t_s_o's right on this one. ;) Jan 25 16:01:02 qwerty12: ah Jan 25 16:01:14 qwerty12: i mirror it from the master repo s Jan 25 16:01:15 o Jan 25 16:01:23 Stskeeps, the snow_beach one is more like the n8x0 camera Jan 25 16:01:28 Need to fix my advanced-power package so I was in there so I could get my source packages again Jan 25 16:01:53 qwerty12: one reason why bzr is nice :P Jan 25 16:01:56 * Jaffa prods GeneralAntilles about interview questions, whilst packing up his (Jaffa's, not GeneralAntilles') kids Jan 25 16:02:19 Stskeeps, what modifications on general are required to maemo sources to get them compiled with the new hildon and mer in general Jan 25 16:02:22 * b-man just updated his ubuntu guide to include a new and improved rootstrap image - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 Jan 25 16:02:22 Stskeeps, I'll never turn to the dark side :P Jan 25 16:02:34 * Jaffa likes bzr (still not sure I prefer it to the simplicity of Subversion), but still not convinced about git Jan 25 16:02:44 lcuk: depends if you use libtool in a bad way or not Jan 25 16:03:01 lcuk: we do very minimal changes, often it involves adding libtool, autoconf and automake to build-dependancies Jan 25 16:03:09 as people are -spoiled- by scratchbox Jan 25 16:03:10 :P Jan 25 16:03:17 thats not a very useful answer, are you having to make actual code modifications to most things Jan 25 16:03:41 or are these patches mainly in the packaging Jan 25 16:03:44 lcuk: packaging Jan 25 16:03:46 lcuk, for xchat, all it required me was to remove conic code. Jan 25 16:04:13 lcuk: it varies how much we have to patch to bring maemo code to the future.. Jan 25 16:04:23 i mean, it's technically stuck back in 2005 some of it :) Jan 25 16:04:26 Anyone knows a good aplication to use chat with webcam? i use amsn but it is very buggy. Jan 25 16:04:49 lcuk: and patterns are emerging Jan 25 16:04:55 yes, understood - but for the right reasons, it worked Jan 25 16:04:59 Stskeeps, want me to add python-gconf as a dependency? Jan 25 16:05:00 i have n800 with os2008 Jan 25 16:05:01 arocs: depends on who you want to chat with Jan 25 16:05:17 normally msn windows Jan 25 16:05:18 Stskeeps, good, try to document them, it will help when the main push to upgrade comes Jan 25 16:05:21 qwerty12: it's already there Jan 25 16:05:40 qwerty12: as i could see Jan 25 16:05:46 is it possible? Jan 25 16:05:48 It's not there in the depends line of advanced power according to gedit Jan 25 16:05:56 qwerty12: hm, maybe python-gnome picks it up Jan 25 16:06:00 qwerty12: it's just that "from gnome import gconf" is not true anymore Jan 25 16:06:17 Yep, I'll use quilt to change that Jan 25 16:06:27 then amsn is your only option, as i dont think any other software wants to touch the required lib (it got some shakey reverse engineering behind it) Jan 25 16:06:56 what version of amsn for n800 ? Jan 25 16:07:09 Stskeeps, btw, is there a simple equivalent of `whatever` in python? Jan 25 16:07:19 `whatever`? :P Jan 25 16:07:35 Well, the sh feature where it takes output from that command :P Jan 25 16:07:43 ah. Jan 25 16:07:45 chav version of hello world! Jan 25 16:07:46 sec Jan 25 16:08:30 amsn with sound ..? Jan 25 16:08:39 qwerty12: http://docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html , search for backquote Jan 25 16:08:42 qwerty12, what does it do Jan 25 16:08:50 Stskeeps, wicked, thanks Jan 25 16:09:32 lcuk, run "echo `echo h` i" and run "echo echo h i" and you'll see Jan 25 16:10:53 ahhh i thought you meant an app called whatever Jan 25 16:11:04 * lcuk is illuminated Jan 25 16:11:17 lol Jan 25 16:12:03 Somone get amsn working with sound ? Jan 25 16:13:36 dob: did we try mkfs.ext3'ing all over again last night btw? :P Jan 25 16:13:54 just if it was a corrupted FS issue Jan 25 16:14:30 is amsn package been ported to maemo? Jan 25 16:15:22 google internettablettalk? :P Jan 25 16:15:26 / search it Jan 25 16:18:00 now i am trying the latest amsn modified version. but is very buggy Jan 25 16:19:08 so it goes Jan 25 16:20:47 Stskeeps, can you delete advanced-power package? I've changed the import gconf line and I think that's it? Jan 25 16:21:31 mm, can't you just up the version? *ducks* Jan 25 16:21:35 then it does it for you :P Jan 25 16:22:00 Hmm, I do up the version but the orig.gz has the same name Jan 25 16:22:33 ah, thought you just did -sd Jan 25 16:22:38 sure, i'll delete it Jan 25 16:22:39 sec Jan 25 16:22:48 -sd, -sa - doesn't make a difference :) Jan 25 16:22:57 k Jan 25 16:23:29 removed Jan 25 16:23:39 In advanced-power-monitor, it's run-standalone.sh that is the problem? Jan 25 16:24:00 Could someone please tell me what goes there wrong... http://pastebin.com/d7bf7d67e Jan 25 16:24:28 qwerty12: yeah, also, i don't understand why it's a init.d daemon :P Jan 25 16:25:08 Stskeeps, it's supposed to start for other programs that query it for info... without it starting at boot time anyway, it'd make the applet useless Jan 25 16:25:48 But soon as I get the hang of subprocess, I'll fix the run-standalone issue. It's only using it to get dbus variables from af-defines Jan 25 16:26:06 k Jan 25 16:26:10 mm, it should really spit it out on system dbus Jan 25 16:27:19 * Stskeeps doesn't totally agree with the architecture of this thing, but hm :P Jan 25 16:29:56 * slonopotamus understood one thing recently. python is slow. java is slow. only C and C++ are fast. Jan 25 16:30:13 fast in execution, but slow in development Jan 25 16:30:14 :P Jan 25 16:30:30 use distcc + cccache? Jan 25 16:30:45 s/cccache/ccache/ Jan 25 16:30:45 doesn't matter Jan 25 16:30:51 slonopotamus, python and java are only slow if you use entirely native java or python libraries Jan 25 16:31:02 slow in development = lots of lines of code for a task Jan 25 16:31:15 depending on the task, scripted languages can be almost indistinguishable from native Jan 25 16:32:00 lcuk, i'm java developer :) i know what i'm saying Jan 25 16:32:41 im a c developer, i know what i'm saying :) Jan 25 16:33:00 hehe Jan 25 16:33:29 * b-man senses a language war brewing Jan 25 16:33:42 not at all, ive got a lot of respect for scripted languages Jan 25 16:34:01 im hopeful that libliqbase can be embedded soon :) Jan 25 16:34:22 qwerty12: I've compiled the kernel without USB withelist but my hub dosn't work Jan 25 16:34:27 * lcuk curses the name again Jan 25 16:34:48 radic_, maybe the N800 just doesn't like that hub then. *shrug* Jan 25 16:35:24 * b-man wonders how to fix the wlan0 issue in ubuntu Jan 25 16:35:57 qwerty12: no, It worked few kernel-updates ago Jan 25 16:36:25 which brings up the question - has anyone analyzed the USB signal quality of the N8x0 hardware? Jan 25 16:36:43 b-man: is HAL running? Jan 25 16:36:50 check if hald is there Jan 25 16:37:50 i checked and it actually was not, so i decided to use hal from deblet instead and i'm getting a similar issue Jan 25 16:38:26 b-man: ok, so we're having similar problems right now Jan 25 16:39:22 i'm starting to think that somthing else is causing hal to have issues Jan 25 16:39:53 i thought so too but i downloaded my HAL and it helped.. try this package: Jan 25 16:42:37 ............... Jan 25 16:42:51 yeah, looking Jan 25 16:42:52 :P Jan 25 16:42:56 http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20004129/hal_0.5.12%7Erc1-0ubuntu2_armel.deb Jan 25 16:43:04 thanks Jan 25 16:45:00 btw, the nm applet iss fully functioning now. all i need is working wifi ;) Jan 25 16:45:08 edit: is Jan 25 16:46:38 and you have tablet-wireless and such? Jan 25 16:47:10 yes Jan 25 16:47:32 (wlan0 issue) - i believe Jan 25 16:49:19 Stskeeps, it's kinda hard to test when network manager refuses to believe that I have wireless and it insists in fucking up my usbnet connection :/ Jan 25 16:49:43 NetworkManager is very efficient at fucking up connections. Jan 25 16:49:47 hell yes Jan 25 16:50:18 fuck it, I'll mount the card on my computer and try and remove this piece of shit called network manager Jan 25 16:50:28 hehe Jan 25 16:50:53 qwerty12: it does have /etc/network/interfaces right? O_o Jan 25 16:51:22 Stskeeps, dunno, I haven't found a way of checking because up until now, I relied on usbnet... Jan 25 16:51:28 mmk Jan 25 16:51:45 check if it has etc/network/interfaces Jan 25 16:51:49 with usb0 info in it Jan 25 16:52:27 usbnet was working though before network manager started. I don't even like it, wireless doesn't even work, it's just plain easier if I remove it. Jan 25 16:52:32 k Jan 25 16:52:38 NM, qwerty's nemesis Jan 25 16:52:38 :P Jan 25 16:52:46 mine toooo Jan 25 16:53:09 Nah, I hate this horrible thing called Mer Jan 25 16:53:30 :P Jan 25 16:53:41 hehe :P, my interfaces file seems ok: http://pastebin.com/d186a8e2b Jan 25 16:53:59 yeah, it shouldnt even touch usbnet thne Jan 25 16:55:54 * RST38h wonders whether he should set up EMULib as a separate project at Maemo Jan 25 16:56:09 (the Maemo specific part, anyway) Jan 25 16:57:16 btw, is fMSX Maemo open source (not as in gnu free, but the code is there)? I saw that you have source for the unix fMSX so was just wondering out of curiosity Jan 25 16:57:45 Yes, it is Jan 25 16:58:18 The Unix source code package should have it all (albeit a bit outdated) Jan 25 16:58:51 ah, I wasn't looking carefully enough it seems :) Jan 25 17:00:26 Stskeeps, removed all traces of network manager and now I have working usbnet with hildon-desktop running Jan 25 17:00:30 * qwerty12 is happy :) Jan 25 17:00:32 hehe Jan 25 17:01:11 and i have working HIM on my vm again Jan 25 17:01:41 the virtualbox vm is really a blessing in terms of testing stuff Jan 25 17:01:56 no more fiddling with usbnet and such Jan 25 17:02:22 qwerty: All you need to do is cd fMSX/Maemo and sb2 make Jan 25 17:02:34 qwerty: Or cd fMSX/Maemo/Package and ./package Jan 25 17:03:46 RST38h, in your current source zip, there is no Maemo folder but I did see ifdef's for MAEMO in fmsx.c which shows I wasn't paying attention when opened last time :) Jan 25 17:04:10 qwerty: Weiird shit. Ok, it means I have forgotten to release it Jan 25 17:06:14 qwerty: No big deal, will pack things up today or tomorrow, if I have time Jan 25 17:06:27 Great, thanks :) Jan 25 17:08:50 Stskeeps, btw, will you be trying to push for a redistributable hald-addon-bme? Jan 25 17:09:05 qwerty12: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist Jan 25 17:09:09 distributable is just as good Jan 25 17:09:12 well Jan 25 17:09:14 for this purpose Jan 25 17:09:49 Heh, I was kinda not hoping to see "Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package,unless you have permission from Nokia Oyj." :( Jan 25 17:11:36 * Stskeeps watches HAM crash after enabling red pill mode and "show all packages" Jan 25 17:11:44 (on x86) Jan 25 17:11:55 wow, it worked Jan 25 17:12:04 So it rose back from the dead? Jan 25 17:12:58 qwerty12: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-redpill.png Jan 25 17:13:09 hah, wicked Jan 25 17:13:31 it is still ugly though =( Jan 25 17:13:50 RST38h, don't say that! you'll hurt its feelings Jan 25 17:14:20 I am purposely lowering its self esteem! Jan 25 17:14:59 Please don't make it go any more slower :( Jan 25 17:15:20 oh, F6 is full screen on x86 too Jan 25 17:15:22 that's good to know Jan 25 17:16:25 advanced-power-monitor needs fixing "No module named gobject" Jan 25 17:16:37 k Jan 25 17:16:41 python-gobject Jan 25 17:16:47 I've got that installed Jan 25 17:16:54 hmmm. Jan 25 17:16:56 I'll dig around and see if it needs a from Jan 25 17:16:58 from gnome import gobject? Jan 25 17:16:59 maybe Jan 25 17:17:04 as in, broken syntax Jan 25 17:19:09 qwerty12: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-wicked.png Jan 25 17:19:29 :O Jan 25 17:20:45 (sick, i know) Jan 25 17:21:23 Could someone please tell me here to find the mysql-packages? Jan 25 17:21:29 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mysqldatabase Jan 25 17:21:56 the downloadlink sends me to the homepage of mysql Jan 25 17:22:13 thopiekar: you better be charging a high fee for that work Jan 25 17:22:22 i would need at least 250 euro personally to go through that hell :P Jan 25 17:23:02 Jake42-2: did you heard that? Jan 25 17:23:40 thopiekar: did you ever succeed in a Mer install btw? i can't remember Jan 25 17:24:43 no but me and Jake42-2 are working on php5 + php5-mysql since yesterday.. Jan 25 17:24:52 ok :P Jan 25 17:25:01 to get it working on a maemo-device.. Jan 25 17:25:06 Stskeeps, how do I get advanced-power applet to show up, if you had to enable it manually? Jan 25 17:25:21 qwerty12: it really should be in add applet Jan 25 17:25:35 if you had to add it manually, .osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf Jan 25 17:25:36 i think Jan 25 17:25:51 Statusbar applets are enabled through control panel though on maemo Jan 25 17:25:55 but i'm at the end of my Latin.. (german saying) Jan 25 17:26:11 qwerty12: ah. that might explain it Jan 25 17:26:15 statusbar.conf it is then Jan 25 17:26:39 the control panel applet isn't OSS :) Jan 25 17:26:41 I've got [/usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/advanced-power.desktop] but it still isn't showing (this is after a restart) Jan 25 17:26:45 Stskeeps, it is Jan 25 17:26:50 .. where? Jan 25 17:26:54 I've seen the source for it somewhere, i'll find it Jan 25 17:28:15 Stskeeps, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-plugins-settings/ Jan 25 17:29:05 well i'm obviously blind :) Jan 25 17:29:25 It's weirdly named - what plugins :) Jan 25 17:29:31 Well, hildon plugins... Jan 25 17:29:38 i'll add it to the list Jan 25 17:29:41 Stskeeps: please explain me how to install mer.. (I know you love that question ;) ) Jan 25 17:30:06 thopiekar: ask me in 2 hours Jan 25 17:30:20 uch?^^ Jan 25 17:30:31 thopiekar: then i have a more friendly tar.gz :P Jan 25 17:30:37 oki Jan 25 17:30:59 Stskeeps: whats the size of all packages.. Jan 25 17:31:01 ? Jan 25 17:31:07 thopiekar: you need a 2gb SD card probably Jan 25 17:31:16 one you're willing to delete everything on :P Jan 25 17:31:17 straind, getting http://pastebin.com/d6c9f51d2 when running python2.5 on the advanced-power.py file manually Jan 25 17:31:22 Stskeeps sorry Jan 25 17:31:38 qwerty12: export DISPLAY=:0? :P Jan 25 17:31:58 * qwerty12 smacks himself, I thought it was automatically done :) Jan 25 17:32:03 maemo spoils you Jan 25 17:32:03 :P Jan 25 17:32:12 yes :P Jan 25 17:32:28 Ok, no errors now but that doesn't explain why I'm not seeing the applet Jan 25 17:32:51 * thopiekar thinks about a mirror for mer Jan 25 17:32:53 well applet is booted by h-d Jan 25 17:33:01 isnt it? Jan 25 17:33:27 it should be, entry is there in statusbar.conf and I've rebooted. maybe bindings are messing up Jan 25 17:33:29 qwerty12: check .xsession-errors Jan 25 17:33:51 one of the things that -does- slow mer down atm, is the fact we log things ;) Jan 25 17:34:21 No advanced-power or python references there Jan 25 17:34:26 hmm Jan 25 17:35:19 admittedly i've only added home applets in python Jan 25 17:35:37 i'll take a look later, leave an item in the tasks list and i'll get on it Jan 25 17:35:43 Ah, I know what it is. /home/faheem/.osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf was updated when installing advanced-power but not /root/.osso/hildon-desktop/statusbar.conf Jan 25 17:35:45 ah Jan 25 17:35:58 hm Jan 25 17:36:06 .. not sure that qualifies Jan 25 17:36:16 the .osso in your user is what should matter :P Jan 25 17:37:04 Dunno if it's reading it though, I've added it to /root's one, lets see if it shows up now :) Jan 25 17:38:36 Still no dice Jan 25 17:43:11 qwerty12: sucks :/ Jan 25 17:43:53 Heh, now it means I can work on apmd :) Jan 25 17:44:17 * Stskeeps does a little prayer HAL stopped segfaulting and boots mer. Jan 25 17:46:38 apmd is running, just had to remove mce references Jan 25 17:47:57 Stskeeps, ah-ha, now we're getting somewhere: http://pastebin.com/d73799a02 Jan 25 17:48:39 ah Jan 25 17:48:49 did you see the MCE stuff too? Jan 25 17:49:14 Yeah, I've removed the references to it in the daemon, now the daemon starts fine Jan 25 17:50:14 k Jan 25 17:50:42 It's because I did that that it isn't starting. I'll de-mce both AP and the daemon and reupload soon Jan 25 17:51:55 Stskeeps: do you think the wlan0 issue might be related to /etc/network/interfaces? Jan 25 17:52:33 because hal is now functional Jan 25 17:53:03 Stskeeps, yay! http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/bound4dareload.png Jan 25 17:53:33 qwerty12: cool Jan 25 17:53:39 thanks :) Jan 25 17:53:57 lets see if it starts when I reboot now Jan 25 17:54:06 b-man: no, 100% HAL speciifc Jan 25 17:54:20 hmm Jan 25 17:54:52 b-man: did you try the package i told you? Jan 25 17:54:59 yes Jan 25 17:55:01 qwerty12: looks good Jan 25 17:55:07 b-man: and hal worked then? k Jan 25 17:55:35 yes, i believe Jan 25 17:56:44 * b-man has confemed that from testing hw keys - witch did not work before Jan 25 17:57:08 Stskeeps, http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/ads.png Jan 25 17:57:16 qwerty12: \o/ Jan 25 17:57:46 I'll add the patches to quilt so they can be removed easily once you've got a mce clone running :) Jan 25 17:57:51 qwerty12: k Jan 25 18:01:55 ooooo, got a pm on ITT :) Jan 25 18:02:42 someone is complaining about my signiture Jan 25 18:03:10 heh Jan 25 18:03:26 it is rather long, but then again.. :P Jan 25 18:03:36 b-man, send him/her: http://pastebin.com/d1258943e :P Jan 25 18:04:11 the sender is daperl Jan 25 18:04:37 ok, don't, I quite like his posts :P Jan 25 18:04:44 hehe Jan 25 18:05:07 qwerty12; awsome Jan 25 18:05:46 Done quickly with figlet: http://www.schnoggo.com/figlet.html :) Jan 25 18:05:48 * b-man saves a copy for future reference Jan 25 18:06:28 sweet Jan 25 18:09:07 qwerty12: here's the pm he sent me :) - http://pastebin.com/m8926b43 Jan 25 18:09:48 b-man: hehe, at least he put it nicely :P Jan 25 18:09:48 Oh, I'd feel guilty about sending fuck off then :) Jan 25 18:09:57 lol Jan 25 18:10:31 hehe, google b-man and you get a .dk host as first result :P Jan 25 18:11:07 The lol bit is a bit excessive imho but the rest seems fine to me Jan 25 18:11:43 hehe Jan 25 18:11:49 :) Jan 25 18:11:55 don't google b-man16 Jan 25 18:12:27 ;) Jan 25 18:12:34 stskeeps has a lot of crap on him :P Jan 25 18:13:20 oh, you did :P Jan 25 18:13:42 no, searched myself Jan 25 18:13:54 lol Jan 25 18:14:10 I'm affiliated with a trojan or something :( Jan 25 18:14:28 what? Jan 25 18:14:38 oh, i practically facilitated the trojan boom and the death of sub7 bot Jan 25 18:14:39 :P Jan 25 18:14:55 If you google qwerty12, you get a lot of qwerty12.exe results :/ Jan 25 18:15:01 i'm not sure i'm getting off easy on that one in terms of karma Jan 25 18:15:04 Stskeeps, matrix feature in sub7 pwned Jan 25 18:15:39 dont go to the second result of b-man16 Jan 25 18:15:59 qwerty12: my ircd facilitated realname bans of sub7 in the example conf .. Jan 25 18:16:14 hence it got automatically banned on most new networks, less places for bot to hide Jan 25 18:16:23 :( Jan 25 18:16:53 on the other hand, my easy to use IRCd and great win32 port caused the trojan boom. Jan 25 18:17:05 :) Jan 25 18:17:51 by accident, really Jan 25 18:21:22 qwerty12: the lol in my signiture is what makes my profile unique Jan 25 18:21:33 True, true :) Jan 25 18:22:46 * b-man likes being unique, that's why he sometimes uses FireFox as a user name ;) Jan 25 18:23:14 Stskeeps, can you delete advanced-power & advanced-power-monitor packages off repo? These ones should work from the offset. Jan 25 18:23:48 (well, if the user has hald-addon-bme installed...) Jan 25 18:25:07 sec Jan 25 18:25:43 b-man: i think your main project of ubuntu and mer installer is quite unique though :P Jan 25 18:26:07 qwerty12: removed Jan 25 18:26:16 ta Jan 25 18:26:35 advanced-power-monitor is still there Jan 25 18:26:52 Stskeeps: true ;) Jan 25 18:27:25 * b-man multitasks a lot Jan 25 18:27:26 now its not :) Jan 25 18:30:51 * b-man updates signiture Jan 25 18:39:02 Hello guys... Jan 25 18:39:10 sorry.. maybe it is somehow.. web design releated channel ? Jan 25 18:39:59 no. Jan 25 18:40:07 my bad... Jan 25 18:40:15 mayeb you know any good web design channels ? ~~ Jan 25 18:41:14 no. Jan 25 18:41:24 But if you have a short question, ask. Jan 25 18:41:28 ok sorry for disturbing :P Jan 25 19:11:55 qwerty12_N800: wiche USB host controller drivers are you using? Jan 25 19:12:32 radic_, i've never used usb host ever on my tablet.. Jan 25 19:17:50 qwerty12_N800: I don't believe it^^ Jan 25 19:18:40 thopiekar, hehe, haven't found a use personally for it :p Jan 25 19:19:18 Has someone of you ever compiled libatomic-ops? Jan 25 19:20:18 I tried to package it via dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Jan 25 19:20:26 but i get this message.. Jan 25 19:20:37 patches: debian/patches/01_s390_include.patch debian/patches/02_mips.patch debian/patches/03_nodoc.patch debian/patches/04_m68k.patch debian/patches/05_powerpc_asm.patch debian/patches/06_double.patch debian/patches/07_pic_cmpxchng.patch Jan 25 19:20:37 Patch debian/patches/07_pic_cmpxchng.patch is not applied. Jan 25 19:20:37 Patch debian/patches/06_double.patch is not applied. Jan 25 19:20:37 Patch debian/patches/05_powerpc_asm.patch is not applied. Jan 25 19:20:38 Patch debian/patches/04_m68k.patch is not applied. Jan 25 19:20:40 Trying reverse patch debian/patches/03_nodoc.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure. Jan 25 19:20:42 make: *** [reverse-patches] Error 1 Jan 25 19:20:54 ~pastebin Jan 25 19:20:59 arg I should use pastbin Jan 25 19:21:09 qwerty12_N800: yes -.- stupid me Jan 25 19:22:26 ./configure is even possible when i'm in src.. and make fails on the folder above and in src Jan 25 19:22:49 * thopiekar never runned ./configure in src before.. Jan 25 19:24:23 http://pastebin.com/d29b06b9e Jan 25 19:24:48 its kinda interesting how webkit makes the input box in the minimalist forum theme larger then microb does... Jan 25 19:25:02 * Meiz_n810 notices there is no ppl alive in #mer Jan 25 19:25:42 heh, i was not aware there was a channel for it Jan 25 19:27:05 FireFox 3.1 beta 2 really surprised me Jan 25 19:27:18 it's as fast as midori i'd say Jan 25 19:27:27 but fingerscroll works :P Jan 25 19:27:50 hmm Jan 25 19:28:19 it takes a lot of memory, but is really usable Jan 25 19:29:35 i guess the browser speed these days hinges on its javascript engine Jan 25 19:36:44 Meiz_n810: is it /worth/ being in #mer? Jan 25 19:37:49 t_s_o: the webkit engine makes all the nform controls finger friendlyy. I love the checkboxes in gmail basic Jan 25 19:38:23 ah yes, i had forgotten about that Jan 25 19:39:00 Jaffa: no idea.. Jan 25 19:39:10 there's some discussion in #mer Jan 25 19:39:37 * qwerty12_N800 has a nosey Jan 25 19:39:45 Discussion about who you're going to spam next. :P Jan 25 19:40:24 Stskeeps, can you delete advanced-power again (sorry)? quilt fucked up Jan 25 19:40:41 Stskeeps: are you there? You told me to remember me how to install mer on my device.. Jan 25 19:43:14 * b-man leaves to mess around with ubuntu some more Jan 25 19:45:26 WhHatÞ ŢHeÉ HeÉĹĻ HaÀPpPeÉÑÉÐ ÞÒ MyÝ ĶÉÝBoÒÀÐŔÅ Jan 25 19:45:34 phew Jan 25 19:45:42 you held function down Jan 25 19:46:30 * RST38h yawns idly Jan 25 19:49:36 jaffa/gan: am i wrong in thinking that xx:yy is not an appropriate form for delta-time? Jan 25 19:50:45 oops Jan 25 19:51:07 timeless: an argument I'm having at work involving days, months and year offset :-/ Jan 25 19:51:17 heh Jan 25 19:51:20 try this Jan 25 19:51:22 open clock Jan 25 19:51:38 app menu>alarm>alarms Jan 25 19:51:41 set Jan 25 19:51:43 click ok Jan 25 19:51:47 watch the info banner Jan 25 19:54:47 thopiekar: sorry, my image is not ready, HAL is crashing constnatly Jan 25 19:54:51 qwerty12_N800: yes, sec Jan 25 19:55:18 qwerty12_N800: advanced power, monitor deleted Jan 25 19:55:25 Stskeeps, btw, i'm building the source package via a mer chroot, working beautifully :P Jan 25 19:55:33 qwerty12_N800: yes, that's what i do myself Jan 25 19:55:35 timeless: for display only I'd prefer it to say 1h 55min, or - if hours == 0, just 59min Jan 25 19:55:44 right Jan 25 19:55:45 qwerty12_N800: on x86 that is Jan 25 19:55:47 "please file a bug" Jan 25 19:56:00 Stskeeps, yeah, I'm trying on tablet :) Jan 25 19:56:08 jaffa: one other cool thing Jan 25 19:56:13 if there are two buttons Jan 25 19:56:14 will try to remember when I get home. just about to leave parents' Jan 25 19:56:16 and one is a close button Jan 25 19:56:25 will it be on the right or on the left? Jan 25 19:56:51 (anyone else is welcome to play along, obviously this is a trap) Jan 25 19:56:54 isn't that the GNOME argument? :P Jan 25 19:57:04 sts: realm: maemo Jan 25 19:57:19 so, what's the answer? :) Jan 25 19:57:23 timeless: yeah, but OK vs cancel.. :P Jan 25 19:57:32 Certainly "cancel" is a defined position. I'd guess it varies on maemo in which app you look in? ;-) Jan 25 19:57:46 Or which screen in the same app' Jan 25 19:57:47 * timeless rotfl Jan 25 19:57:52 too true Jan 25 19:58:01 there was one wizard which historically got that wrong Jan 25 19:58:03 but i got that fixed Jan 25 19:58:13 but wizards have 4 buttons Jan 25 19:58:20 this is a 2 button dialog Jan 25 20:00:40 so, no takers? :) Jan 25 20:00:45 ok, set an alarm for +2mins Jan 25 20:17:29 Through a decade of painstaking reverse engineering, trucker John Coster-Mullen built the first accurate replica of the Hiroshima bomb. Jan 25 20:17:51 Am I the only one crying "DETONATE!" in my mind? =) Jan 25 20:19:02 i'm wondering why he told anyone Jan 25 20:19:03 :P Jan 25 20:19:40 and `why'? Jan 25 20:19:52 RST38h: but indeed, `detonate, detonate!' Jan 25 20:19:52 Stskeeps: please let me know when you are ready.. Jan 25 20:20:02 Jan 25 20:20:36 Stskeeps: do you need some testers for the project? Jan 25 20:20:45 msgstr "Unable to perform operation. Try again." Jan 25 20:20:56 so... anyone have thoughts about this message? Jan 25 20:21:15 Sts: Probably wanted appreciation, just like the original Manhatten Project financiers Jan 25 20:21:19 Sts: "Philip Morrison, one of the physicists who helped invent the bomb, deemed it 'a remarkable job.'" Jan 25 20:21:25 the message basically means one of two unrelated operations failed Jan 25 20:21:33 (creating an alarm or settings its snooze value) Jan 25 20:21:51 and that it failed because of OOM, dbus failure, or bad params Jan 25 20:22:04 thopiekar: yes, but i'm trying to find a problem in HAL right now :) Jan 25 20:24:03 Stskeeps: If you want I will join the team for testing matters ;) Jan 25 20:25:47 anyone have opinions? Jan 25 20:27:00 * timeless ponders Jan 25 20:27:05 what's a HILDON_NOTE? Jan 25 20:27:10 is it a dialog w/ no title? Jan 25 20:29:14 timeless, http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonNote.html Jan 25 20:29:24 yeah yeah Jan 25 20:30:11 ~curse ALSA Jan 25 20:31:00 infobot is offline = ALSA is safe :) Jan 25 20:32:29 * RST38h has to manually sodomized ALSA with a toilet plunger. Jan 25 20:32:39 s/d// Jan 25 20:34:37 * thopiekar even don't understands these "s/d//" syntaxes on irc-channels... Jan 25 20:35:00 thopiekar: man sed Jan 25 20:35:04 thopiekar: Emacs user? Jan 25 20:36:07 no Jan 25 20:36:49 * thopiekar never understands the sense of emacs.. thats maybe why he was never a "user"... Jan 25 20:37:17 hi my name is Heinz_n810 Jan 25 20:37:19 oops Jan 25 20:37:30 s/Heinz/Meiz/ Jan 25 20:37:34 and i'm a meraholic Jan 25 20:37:34 :P Jan 25 20:38:17 :p Jan 25 20:38:45 hehe Jan 25 20:39:15 so "s" means replace? Jan 25 20:39:54 i always tought to Jan 25 20:40:00 so Jan 25 20:40:35 * Meiz_n810 is installing FF 3.1 Jan 25 20:41:56 Too late,Heinz! We know your true self now! Jan 25 20:42:14 s/FF/Firefox Jan 25 20:42:16 ^^ Jan 25 20:43:44 hehe Jan 25 20:44:11 what is emacs actually? (offtopic) Jan 25 20:44:46 an editor or an OS, the discussion is still there Jan 25 20:44:49 thopiekar: An evil artificial intelligence designed by Richard Stallman to take over the world and make everyone worship GPL Jan 25 20:45:02 thopiekar: It disguises itself as a text editor Jan 25 20:45:58 hmm Jan 25 20:45:59 http://pastebin.com/d71503c99 Jan 25 20:46:44 (21:42:00) RST38h: Too late,Heinz! We know your true self now! Jan 25 20:46:44 ^-- *g* Jan 25 20:51:55 Stskeeps, did you delete advanced-power-monitor btw? Jan 25 20:51:57 * timeless grumbles Jan 25 20:52:10 anyone here have diablo? Jan 25 20:52:29 can someone grep -r '!!Refreshing' in the LC_MESSAGES stuff Jan 25 20:54:23 qwerty12_N800: Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: advanced power, monitor deleted Jan 25 20:54:44 FUCK Jan 25 20:55:20 I don't have the monitor source package anymore nor time to debianize it again. Jan 25 20:56:19 thanks Meiz_n810, didn't catch the monitor part then Jan 25 20:57:26 The Mer builder really needs to fix its bullshit of not handling new orig.tar.gz files properly. Jan 25 21:08:17 hey there is someone? Jan 25 21:08:31 i'm trying to install mer on n800 Jan 25 21:08:40 qwerty12_N800: sorry :P when did you add it? i have backups from last night :P Jan 25 21:08:57 is here a german-englisch translator? Jan 25 21:09:04 right now Jan 25 21:09:11 Stskeeps, earlier today :> Jan 25 21:09:15 my english isn't actually the best so.. Jan 25 21:09:16 ^^ Jan 25 21:10:00 Stskeeps, but it shouldn't take me long to repatch the source if you've got a backup of the original package Jan 25 21:10:06 qwerty12_N800: sec Jan 25 21:10:20 but when i install de .deb file it says application package incompatible Jan 25 21:10:42 opengeekv2: put extras-devel repository on too Jan 25 21:10:49 it is done Jan 25 21:10:51 qwerty12_N800: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/advanced-power-monitor/ and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/advanced-power/ Jan 25 21:10:58 opengeekv2: dpkg -i it manually Jan 25 21:11:06 ok Jan 25 21:11:19 is bootmenu in extras-devel? Jan 25 21:11:34 Meiz_n810: the problem is that it's not in user/ Jan 25 21:11:37 b-man would fix that Jan 25 21:11:59 k Jan 25 21:12:17 qwerty12_N800: good enough Jan 25 21:12:19 ? Jan 25 21:12:42 qwerty12_N800: and isn't there an option "don't include orig.tar.gz in upload"? Jan 25 21:12:58 (also, you are starting to realize why SCM is good.) Jan 25 21:13:05 Stskeeps, yes, should be fine. Jan 25 21:13:41 Stskeeps, all i know is that maemo's autobuilder handles it beautifully fine, whatever option I use Jan 25 21:14:48 qwerty12_N800: mm Jan 25 21:16:58 anyone here use emacs23 on n810? Jan 25 21:17:13 qwerty12_N800: -sd really ought to work, but weird Jan 25 21:17:55 Stskeeps, I wish it did :(, but orig.gz was still referenced in my dsc :/ Jan 25 21:18:12 qwerty12_N800: dsc ofcourse, but changes? Jan 25 21:19:05 never checked there, but i cant imagine the importor still complaining then Jan 25 21:19:20 bbl Jan 25 21:19:31 we'll see :) Jan 25 21:20:02 Damn you, qwerty12. Jan 25 21:20:04 Hello. How can I start the email app from the terminal? (latest n810 OS). Because it crashes immediately after I start from the mnu Jan 25 21:20:05 menu Jan 25 21:20:15 I've plenty of free memory Jan 25 21:21:32 modest? Jan 25 21:25:55 Meiz_n810, thanks for this hint, when I try to run modest, nothing happens, no output, modest command keeps being active. Jan 25 21:26:07 when I ctrl-c it, and run ps xf|grep -i modest, nothing is listed Jan 25 21:26:15 there are some dependencies that could not be resolved i'm doing a dpkg -i of the second package with extras-devel Jan 25 21:26:26 how may I install scratchbox on ubuntu? Jan 25 21:26:43 opengeekv2: apt-get install e2fsprogs zenity gnutar Jan 25 21:26:53 ok Jan 25 21:26:55 thanks Jan 25 21:26:58 Jake42-2: tablets-dev.nokia.com i think Jan 25 21:32:51 SDK ? Jan 25 21:33:39 * RST38h feels deja vu Jan 25 21:40:35 Hello, Does maemo have any system-specific gcc macros to tell it apart from a compiler on a desktop system? Jan 25 21:46:56 even after a restart, running "modest" simply stalls. which is a different behavior than running mail from the menu. I conclude I need a different command to start it, any ideas? Jan 25 21:49:43 i guess you need to send a dbus event to modest? Jan 25 21:51:43 google helped me. "modest showui" Jan 25 21:51:50 that gives me "segmentation fault" :-/ Jan 25 21:52:11 but it's indeed the same behavior than running from menu. email window shows up for a second, then goes away Jan 25 21:53:36 mm, modest is a bit of a troubled child at times Jan 25 21:55:24 wb b-man Jan 25 21:55:48 b-man: found whatever kills HAL Jan 25 21:55:49 hello, Stskeeps Jan 25 21:55:55 compiling a version atm for mer Jan 25 21:56:02 sweet Jan 25 21:56:32 wb qwerty12_N800 Jan 25 21:56:41 hi Stskeeps Jan 25 21:56:46 qwerty12_N800: sorry about the broken repository software btw, best i have atm :P Jan 25 21:56:56 hi qwerty12_N800 Jan 25 21:57:12 Providing hald-addon-bme is installed, apt-getting advanced-power should just work Jan 25 21:57:14 * johnx wakes up, starts hacking Jan 25 21:57:17 hi b-man Jan 25 21:57:25 * timeless pokes someone Jan 25 21:57:31 gang's all here :) Jan 25 21:57:49 Stskeeps, np, I was just annoyed & apologise for taking it out on your work :) Jan 25 21:58:06 can someone grep -r '!!Refreshing' in the LC_MESSAGES stuff Jan 25 21:58:13 (diablo) Jan 25 21:58:22 hi johnx Jan 25 21:58:38 timeless: i think we have !!Stuff in mer still Jan 25 21:58:41 bloody annoying Jan 25 21:59:06 sts: it's kinda amusing Jan 25 21:59:12 i need to talk to someone tomorrow about it Jan 25 21:59:18 i thought nokia paid for translations Jan 25 21:59:20 timeless: i feel like poking someone's eye out about 4001, personally Jan 25 21:59:29 so the fact that diablo would have shipped w/ those... Jan 25 21:59:39 !! is by definition not a translation Jan 25 22:00:17 oh, interesting Jan 25 22:00:24 the real hildon desktop will come in the alpha Jan 25 22:00:36 it means "this isn't translated yet" Jan 25 22:01:02 anyway, can someone please run that grep for me? Jan 25 22:01:54 * timeless frowns Jan 25 22:01:57 something's odd Jan 25 22:02:05 it seems i'm not working from the right file Jan 25 22:02:15 * timeless wonders how that happened Jan 25 22:02:57 timeless, http://pastebin.com/dbbad5e0 Jan 25 22:03:17 ok Jan 25 22:03:20 so i screwed up Jan 25 22:03:20 thanks Jan 25 22:04:02 * Stskeeps glares at WONTFIX at 4001 Jan 25 22:04:31 the point wasn't the old hildon desktop, it was the pervasiveness of missing strings Jan 25 22:04:34 * timeless cries Jan 25 22:04:37 yep, i screwed up Jan 25 22:04:39 and badly Jan 25 22:05:14 I see an exciting community translation project in our future Jan 25 22:05:36 i feel like grabbing that bottle of wine downstairs. Jan 25 22:06:17 hey im nick, im 12 years old and im a pretty good hacker. iv got an n800 running 0s2007 and i was wondering if the kde installer deb works with that os Jan 25 22:06:36 and there is the next qwerty12.. Jan 25 22:06:41 yo Jan 25 22:06:49 hello Jan 25 22:06:54 fuzzybunny_444: i can recommend upgrading to os2008 instead Jan 25 22:07:37 im not going to just yet because it doesnt have all of the apps i need Jan 25 22:07:47 really? what's missing? Jan 25 22:07:57 also, where are you downloading the kde installer from? link? Jan 25 22:08:12 for example, i dont think it has any vnc apps Jan 25 22:08:35 Stskeeps, I'll replace some of the mce commands like mce's reboot with the standard unix equivalent in advanced-power tomorrow some time. I hate removing my battery ;) Jan 25 22:08:51 qwerty12_N800: hehe. apt-get install osso-xterm :P Jan 25 22:08:52 from penguinbait.com. o and the link isnt working Jan 25 22:09:16 Stskeeps, knew I was missing something! :) Jan 25 22:09:19 fuzzybunny_444, vnc viewer on the n800 or vnc server? Jan 25 22:09:35 johnx: i am seriously wondering if i'm going to get the record over tz1 on "WONTFIX" bugs. Jan 25 22:09:47 fuzzybunny_444, both are available Jan 25 22:09:58 viewer... i connect to my mac Jan 25 22:10:08 they are??? Jan 25 22:10:09 Stskeeps, ahaha. go for it. I think they're giving karma away for that kind of thing :> Jan 25 22:10:17 fuzzybunny_444, yup, right in extras :) Jan 25 22:10:31 i guess i havent checked lately Jan 25 22:10:32 not all the apps are listed on the website Jan 25 22:11:05 I see x11vnc (the server) and vncviewer Jan 25 22:11:12 i know but iv been searching for a repository or something Jan 25 22:11:37 fuzzy, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vncviewer/ Jan 25 22:11:37 thanks ill check it out Jan 25 22:11:47 johnx: i think the index on each sprint on the response from bugzilla is a good % of appreciation. Jan 25 22:12:07 anyway, does the installer work on os2008? Jan 25 22:12:32 sorry, os 2007 Jan 25 22:13:01 fuzzybunny_444: it's very difficult to get proper os2007 support for fancy new things.. upgrade to Diablo ideally :) Jan 25 22:13:19 do you have kde? Jan 25 22:13:35 no, i don't as i don't want to mess with hacks like that on top of Maemo :P Jan 25 22:13:38 hi fuzzybunny_444 Jan 25 22:14:09 it looks really cool though Jan 25 22:14:48 it's a pita to use. hard to use wih a stylus & watchdog would go crazy Jan 25 22:15:10 hey firefox Jan 25 22:15:30 johnx: i am so going to manually fix home_ap_home_view. Jan 25 22:15:55 once my HAL has compiled, that is Jan 25 22:16:10 kde might be a little hard but i like the linuxy feel Jan 25 22:16:42 i dont have it personally but iv seen it Jan 25 22:18:02 Stskeeps, well, at least yours will be for shittier reasons. :P Jan 25 22:18:03 i am a mac user myself: mac mini dual core 1.83ghz Jan 25 22:18:21 ya whatever Jan 25 22:18:42 hello Jan 25 22:18:49 fuzzybunny_444: kde takes quite a while to install and it is a bit power hungary - i've tryed Jan 25 22:19:10 GeneralAntilles: which, maemo hacks or #4001? :P Jan 25 22:19:16 is it worth it Jan 25 22:19:47 shure, but it will take quite a while to install ;) Jan 25 22:19:57 how long Jan 25 22:20:07 3-5 hours Jan 25 22:20:11 who are the responsible persons of the maemo.fremantle? Jan 25 22:20:32 ah thats ok. i could do it while im in school Jan 25 22:20:36 qwerty12_N800, LOL, s/easyroot/rootsh/g <_< Jan 25 22:21:06 it's better to fix scratchbox problems with sysctl vm.vdso_enable=0 and so on... Jan 25 22:21:27 fuzzybunny_444: also take note that you cannot uninstall it once it is installed ;) Jan 25 22:21:29 guest: bugs.maemo.org really if you want to help out those things :) Jan 25 22:21:39 really Jan 25 22:21:45 thanks Stskeeps.. Jan 25 22:21:51 GeneralAntilles, hell yes :P, I can't believe that becomeroot is still recommended sometimes for OS2008 :p Jan 25 22:22:14 Stskeeps, your bugs versus tz1's. Jan 25 22:22:28 Stskeeps, his are closed because he doesn't know how to file bugs. Yours are closed because Nokia is shit. ;) Jan 25 22:22:32 can you boot out of debian? /extras Jan 25 22:22:36 * FireFox will be back Jan 25 22:22:38 GeneralAntilles: mm Jan 25 22:23:36 bullshit!!! iv got school tomorrow Jan 25 22:24:34 should i upgrade to diablo Jan 25 22:24:39 yes, very recommended Jan 25 22:25:05 does it have most of the apps from debian Jan 25 22:25:19 it has Easy Debian.. :P Jan 25 22:25:21 cuz i need certain ones Jan 25 22:25:44 whats easy debian? like an app emulator Jan 25 22:25:56 www.internettablettalk.com/forums Jan 25 22:26:00 try to search that for easy debian Jan 25 22:28:06 GeneralAntilles: i'm definately looking forward to hunting strings Jan 25 22:29:02 ya i looked at it but does it include old os2007 apps Jan 25 22:30:06 answer? Jan 25 22:30:23 yes, i think so Jan 25 22:30:33 i never really used os2007, went straight to os2008 Jan 25 22:30:34 :P Jan 25 22:30:49 awesome!!!!!! im istalling Jan 25 22:31:31 oh and by the way, what button do you hold when booting through usb to install Jan 25 22:31:44 the 'home' key Jan 25 22:31:59 awesome!!!! Jan 25 22:32:32 * Stskeeps tries booting mer again Jan 25 22:32:44 * FireFox is back Jan 25 22:33:35 well, that fixed HAL Jan 25 22:33:37 that was nice Jan 25 22:33:48 im installing right now Jan 25 22:34:02 good luck! ;) Jan 25 22:34:30 im holding down the home key but nothing seems to be happening Jan 25 22:34:43 should i let go? Jan 25 22:34:51 yes Jan 25 22:35:12 now what? wait? Jan 25 22:35:55 you shuld press home+power for usb mode Jan 25 22:36:45 yeah. nothing happened. should i reboot and hold them down Jan 25 22:36:52 yes Jan 25 22:37:00 ~flashing Jan 25 22:37:30 freezing Jan 25 22:37:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jan 25 22:37:54 ok its fine now Jan 25 22:38:35 Stskeeps, the quick & dirty way to 'fix' docpurge would be to get it to recreate man8 folders et al Jan 25 22:38:42 qwerty12_N800: mm Jan 25 22:38:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Tasks/Missing_Localization_Strings Jan 25 22:38:53 3 minutes of strings Jan 25 22:38:58 i think i'm going to write a program for this. Jan 25 22:39:05 * FireFox leaves to get shot in a video - bye Jan 25 22:41:12 thanks bye Jan 25 23:14:03 lo neatojones Jan 25 23:14:45 hello Jan 25 23:27:27 was there recent any word about whether the browser ui stuff will be open sourced? Jan 25 23:29:04 i think it will, eventually Jan 25 23:29:45 now we just need to convince someone to finish the webkit engine for it... Jan 25 23:36:12 msggrep --escape -K -e home_ap_home_view maemo-af-desktop-l10n-public-5.0+r6160/po/en_GB.po | sed "s/msgid \"\"/msgid \"foo\"/g" | msggrep --escape -K -e home_ap_home_view Jan 25 23:36:15 i'm going to hell. Jan 25 23:37:17 ditto Jan 25 23:37:28 news flash: Stskeeps invents the universal auto-translator! Jan 25 23:38:03 * lcuk 's brain melts Jan 25 23:38:27 actually what would really seal your fate is only shipping the LOLcats locale by default Jan 25 23:38:32 OMGWTFhome! Jan 25 23:38:58 i can has password? Jan 25 23:39:38 i actually think pirate would make a cool default language Jan 25 23:40:09 evening wazd :) Jan 25 23:40:11 lcuk, mp3 pirate -or- CDs-off-the-boat pirate? Jan 25 23:40:15 Omg Im in the contest!) Jan 25 23:40:20 which contest? Jan 25 23:40:29 http://2009.nseries.com/competition/gallery.aspx Jan 25 23:40:29 wazd, link? your widget got accepted? Jan 25 23:40:37 Yeah!) Jan 25 23:40:38 * johnx looks Jan 25 23:40:39 wazd: woo! Jan 25 23:40:51 Hello everybody) Jan 25 23:41:10 wazd: voted for you ;) Jan 25 23:41:28 wazd, you mean you submitted the search applet from maemo default desktop? Jan 25 23:41:30 Stskeeps: thanks xD Jan 25 23:41:45 lcuk: read the description :) Jan 25 23:42:06 lcuk: It also searches localy\ Jan 25 23:42:25 lcuk: in contacts, files and so on Jan 25 23:42:40 ahhh, kinda the inverse of patent applications (which are invariably "on the internet") :D Jan 25 23:43:03 * lcuk voted Jan 25 23:43:48 One person can enter multiple times as I can see Jan 25 23:44:28 wazd, I'm sure no one would do that though. that would be wrong (!!) :> Jan 25 23:44:43 wazd, voted. Jan 25 23:45:00 hi all! Jan 25 23:45:09 wazd, voted for you Jan 25 23:45:20 looking for some information on bluettoth Jan 25 23:45:26 bluetooth Jan 25 23:45:34 any BT experts here? Jan 25 23:45:41 wazd, the competition is for filled in pictures of the widgets isnt it ? Jan 25 23:45:46 with no idea of implementation.. Jan 25 23:45:48 Thanks everybody :) Jan 25 23:46:17 lcuk: yep, no coding Jan 25 23:46:45 :) Jan 25 23:46:59 * lcuk wonders just how many widgets he can fit on screen Jan 25 23:47:01 hey Traveler6. I'm not an expert, but ask your question and someone might be able to answer Jan 25 23:47:26 Jaffa: pong?) Jan 25 23:47:28 i love how they give a picture showing a square widget in the "your widget here" competition header, but have a specification for a certain shape Jan 25 23:47:42 ok Jan 25 23:47:44 here goes: Jan 25 23:48:50 i'm using ARM9 platform (my own) and i'm having problem with bluez. Especially with 'hcitool scan'. it returns bogus numbers. send works. Jan 25 23:49:38 guys......problem Jan 25 23:49:47 at the final step of installing maemo SDK Jan 25 23:49:57 inside scratchbox Jan 25 23:49:59 I put Jan 25 23:50:02 af-sb-init.sh start Jan 25 23:50:06 and I got Jan 25 23:50:09 errors Jan 25 23:50:16 Jake42-2, put them up on pastebin Jan 25 23:50:45 Traveler6, you mean it returns incorrect bt MAC addresses? or ... ? Jan 25 23:51:04 i'm on it Jan 25 23:51:30 yes Jan 25 23:51:38 incorrect adddresses Jan 25 23:51:44 http://www.pastebin.ca/1318043 Jan 25 23:51:46 addresses that dont exist Jan 25 23:52:24 wazd, have you noticed none have got magical figures yet? theres nothing on 5stars. normally theres a clear frontrunner Jan 25 23:52:46 Traveler6, seeing anything interesting in dmesg? have you tried running hcidump? Jan 25 23:53:44 lcuk: they approved my widget after 1/5 weeks, what do you want from them :) Jan 25 23:54:13 lcuk: but I still think that 1st place is "for neighbors" :) Jan 25 23:54:26 no, i havent tried hcidump... Jan 25 23:54:30 johnx any ideas? Jan 25 23:54:32 johnx, Stskeeps, Jaffa: http://i029.radikal.ru/0901/f2/54ca783a15ad.png <- Mer logo png Jan 25 23:54:48 Jake42-2, try google. it looks like there are people with the same problem Jan 25 23:55:02 but did you hear about anything similar? Jan 25 23:55:14 strance, that i get addresses that do not exist... Jan 25 23:55:33 Traveler6, I've never heard of anything like that...but like I said, I'm not a bt expert, I just hack around with it from time to time Jan 25 23:56:01 wazd, highest is the quicknote one Jan 25 23:56:08 wazd, managed to confuse the heck out of myself viewing it in a web browser :) Jan 25 23:56:18 wazd: uhm, completely white? :P Jan 25 23:56:20 looks very nice Jan 25 23:56:21 transparent? ;) Jan 25 23:56:28 Stskeeps, white on transparent :P Jan 25 23:56:55 johnx, Stskeeps: yep, it's really strange looking in a browser :D Jan 25 23:57:14 lcuk: yep, nice idea Jan 25 23:57:38 yeah its what liqbase is good at :) Jan 25 23:58:17 ok, thanks anyway Jan 25 23:58:32 Traveler6, nothing at all in dmesg or hcidump? Jan 25 23:58:34 lcuk: I have something like that in prototype, combined with my copy/paste system Jan 25 23:58:48 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/foo.html :P Jan 25 23:59:22 lcuk: I'll try to find a screenshot but I think it's on the desktop Jan 25 23:59:30 didn't try yet Jan 25 23:59:40 i'll load tools on it soon Jan 25 23:59:46 problem is that it returns Jan 25 23:59:50 false addresses Jan 26 00:00:07 no addresses i'll live with Jan 26 00:00:08 but false ones? Jan 26 00:00:10 hmmm Jan 26 00:00:27 yeah, I think hcidump might give you some clues. I've found it really helpful in the past Jan 26 00:00:53 wazd, do you have an svg version? Jan 26 00:00:56 lcuk: well, the idea was to ad "+" button to clipboard row that should open "quicknote" window Jan 26 00:01:01 johnx, why permissions???? I am the right user... Jan 26 00:01:16 johnx: nope, but I can easily do one :) Jan 26 00:01:17 Jake42-2, try google. it looks like there are people with the same problem Jan 26 00:01:25 I try Jan 26 00:01:32 but it isn't as my case Jan 26 00:02:04 Jake42-2, did you read this: http://asilearnthem.blogspot.com/2008/05/maemo-armelx86-configure-problem.html ? Jan 26 00:02:07 johnx: you need any larger logo?) Jan 26 00:02:21 wazd, I was thinking of a desktop background :) Jan 26 00:02:36 * Stskeeps has a mer desktop background but lost the url Jan 26 00:05:04 johnx: http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0901/4f/43b5bd8ffae3.jpg Jan 26 00:05:16 nice :D Jan 26 00:05:54 johnx: If you have display resolution larger than 1920x1200 then do wallpaper yourself, rich bastard! xD Jan 26 00:06:19 ha! I have 1280x1024 on the cheapest 19" LCD I could find Jan 26 00:06:48 h-i-m doesn't love me :/ Jan 26 00:07:01 *&$% synaptics driver Jan 26 00:07:06 told you Jan 26 00:07:06 I wanted to buy good LCD (S-IPS or something) but they cost supermuch :( Jan 26 00:07:34 20" full-hd costs bout 1000 bucks Jan 26 00:08:12 I wish NOkia was doing an OLED for the next version of the IT. We'd pay more, but get killer battery life during use. Jan 26 00:08:25 i just installed os2008 on my n800 Jan 26 00:08:40 johnx, it fixed something Jan 26 00:08:50 I read they're dumping a ton of money into OLED research Jan 26 00:08:51 but another problem came to life....:S Jan 26 00:09:12 Jake42-2, google first this time Jan 26 00:09:30 no problem Jan 26 00:09:33 Jake42-2, that link I gave you was the first google result Jan 26 00:09:37 but I want to understand Jan 26 00:09:38 I can buy fucking 42" full-HD window for 1000 bucks :(( Jan 26 00:09:56 (I pasted the output of terminal) Jan 26 00:13:51 you got wifi working? :P Jan 26 00:14:14 also, looks like my first-boot-wizard tricked him into using a different username :> Jan 26 00:14:41 Stskeeps, yep :) Jan 26 00:14:46 qwerty12_mer: how? :P Jan 26 00:14:56 i'm getting without NM Jan 26 00:14:59 guessing Jan 26 00:15:10 I found a script Jan 26 00:15:14 https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-initscripts/af-sb-init.sh.in Jan 26 00:15:26 but where should Jan 26 00:15:31 I add it? Jan 26 00:15:59 Jake42-2, why do you want to use that script? Jan 26 00:16:09 A.... Jan 26 00:16:12 so simple????? Jan 26 00:16:15 Stskeeps, no, i reinstalled & chrooted in from maemo and dist-upgraded & set a root passwd Jan 26 00:16:23 k Jan 26 00:18:42 Thanks to jaffa's 'merizing' of h-a-m, hildonized xchat is installable straight Jan 26 00:20:17 guys, where can I read descent info bout "Maemo platform 5 steps plan or whatever"?) Jan 26 00:20:40 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle Jan 26 00:20:52 I think that's just about as detailed as we have Jan 26 00:21:36 * Stskeeps glares at msggrep Jan 26 00:21:40 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiijjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Jan 26 00:21:41 segmentation fault? :P Jan 26 00:22:02 yup. looks like fuzzybunny_348 crashed Jan 26 00:22:13 johnx: nono, not bout fremantle, but about steps themselves Jan 26 00:22:24 * Mousey reboots fuzzybunny_348 Jan 26 00:22:43 johnx, within the script Jan 26 00:22:51 should I change the DIR=@sysconfdir@/osso-af-init Jan 26 00:22:51 i suspect someone has put a #maemo chat client on their blog.. Jan 26 00:22:52 :P Jan 26 00:22:55 johnx: I heard that 4th step was skipped (elephanta) so I want some documental approvement :) Jan 26 00:23:12 the @....@ ??? Jan 26 00:23:28 Jake42-2, that is *not* the script you want Jan 26 00:23:41 Jake42-2, why are you trying to use it? Jan 26 00:23:54 :( Jan 26 00:24:08 wazd, aaah, I misparsed that earlier. I think everyone is largely in the dark about what step we're on...possibly even the people inside Nokia Jan 26 00:24:20 from previous talk I thought, that I "should" Jan 26 00:25:34 Does anybody know how many GB it would be to download the whole Google map tiles from 12 to 8 for a specific region of the US? Jan 26 00:25:36 Jake42-2, I just told you to google for the answer. I don't know why you're trying to use that script. that's why I asked you why you were trying to use it... Jan 26 00:26:05 neato_jones, I think maemo mapper gives an estimate before it starts, right? Jan 26 00:26:35 warning>> reboot failure_)©˙∆˚˚ÓÏÏˇÁÎ烩≈∂† panic!{{} operating manual shutdownDdxg˙∂˙ƒ∂∂ƒ˙∂∂˙˙©©©©©©©©©∆˙˚¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥comptr mlfunctinLDSFGsß˙∂©∆†¥ƒƒƒ Jan 26 00:26:50 * Stskeeps ignores fuzzybunny_348 Jan 26 00:26:51 Not for me. I tried using that auto-tile downloader for directions. But it didn't work. SEems to have save sin the wrong format. Jan 26 00:27:17 fuzzybunny_348, might want to cut down on the flooding... not a good way to make friends here Jan 26 00:27:25 HJhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjpanic!!! Jan 26 00:27:39 fuzzybunny_348, stop Jan 26 00:27:49 kernel error Jan 26 00:27:49 * GeneralAntilles foisted the banhammer. :P Jan 26 00:27:52 the spamming isnt cute. piss off. Jan 26 00:28:00 GeneralAntilles++ Jan 26 00:28:03 s/foisted/foists/ Jan 26 00:28:05 haha Jan 26 00:28:20 sry Jan 26 00:28:38 Stskeeps, that'd be penguinbait. <_< Jan 26 00:29:27 * Stskeeps mumbles something about a wall and the revolution Jan 26 00:30:10 Stskeeps, do you recall how hard I came down on qgil's jIRC suggestion? :D Jan 26 00:30:33 I was just asking, because I was thinking about the utility of posting a set of community database files. Basically, we could post a file it was reasonably sized with all of the tiles for a region to save people from having to download by hand. Jan 26 00:30:38 fuzzybunny_348: funny hint, any trouble you make here can be traced directly back to your home IP address :) Jan 26 00:31:02 neato_jones, there would be no license for us to do that Jan 26 00:32:39 lcuk: What is the license? I mean, their free to download. I'm not sure how posting a set of the same files would break their license. I'm not saying it wouldn't, I just don't understand how it would. Jan 26 00:32:58 neato_jones, they're not free to redistribute Jan 26 00:33:03 neato_jones: there's a terms of use thing on google maps Jan 26 00:33:12 ah. I thank you. Jan 26 00:33:14 and in fact even using an unauthorized tool to download them is kind of questionable Jan 26 00:34:04 This manual downloading is killing me. I just wish I could save everyone else from the same torture. Jan 26 00:34:05 http://maps.google.com/help/terms_maps.html Jan 26 00:34:13 What about the openstreetmap? Jan 26 00:34:19 different issue Jan 26 00:34:23 poop Jan 26 00:34:34 i believe osm are vector maps Jan 26 00:34:45 * lcuk might be wrong though Jan 26 00:35:27 something more... Jan 26 00:35:28 _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6002: Temporary failure in name resolution Jan 26 00:35:28 sapwood-server[11698]: GLIB WARNING ** Gdk - cannot open display: Jan 26 00:35:34 what is this? Jan 26 00:35:40 even google doesn't know :( Jan 26 00:35:57 Jake42-2, did you launch xephyr and set the DISPLAY variable? Jan 26 00:36:03 thanks for the feedback on that idea. Jan 26 00:36:09 I start scratch box Jan 26 00:36:14 and then Jan 26 00:36:16 neato_jones, I believe openstreetmap tiles should be redistributable Jan 26 00:36:28 af-sb-init.sh restart Jan 26 00:36:42 (previously set DISPLAY:=2 Jan 26 00:36:50 yes johnx, but maemo mapper isnt optimized yet for vector maps i think. someone please tell meim talking out of my arse Jan 26 00:36:56 (previously set DISPLAY=:2 Jan 26 00:36:58 * lcuk would like to use osm Jan 26 00:37:02 Jake42-2, you have to export DISPLAY=:2 every time you start scratchbox Jan 26 00:37:13 I did it Jan 26 00:37:21 and then restart the application Jan 26 00:37:22 lcuk, there are png versions of the OSM maps of course Jan 26 00:37:25 but still the same message Jan 26 00:37:29 johnx: Their ugly as sin, but I guess I could live with that if I found a reasonable way to pull it off so others could pull up a basic set of the maps and just manually download any specific tiles they needed from that base set. Jan 26 00:37:33 :D Jan 26 00:37:47 Jake42-2, did you run Xephyr? Jan 26 00:37:54 not yet Jan 26 00:38:00 (how???) Jan 26 00:38:02 Jake42-2, you need to *read* the directions Jan 26 00:38:07 I can't help you if you don't read Jan 26 00:38:27 xephyr is the window Jan 26 00:38:34 (tha simulates N8x0 \ Jan 26 00:38:36 ?) Jan 26 00:39:29 now I exited scratch box Jan 26 00:39:35 set to start xephyr Jan 26 00:39:38 but I get Jan 26 00:39:51 error Jan 26 00:39:55 (googling it) Jan 26 00:40:16 *cries because he has to drive 8 hours tomorrow through snow. Jan 26 00:40:25 neato_jones, trade you :) Jan 26 00:40:38 what's the trade? Jan 26 00:40:55 you get to work at my job, I get to drive around in the snow :) Jan 26 00:41:02 the error is Fatal server error:Could not create server lock file: /tmp/.X2-lock Jan 26 00:41:06 what's wrong Jan 26 00:41:13 previously it was ok... Jan 26 00:41:22 Jake42-2, is it still running? Jan 26 00:41:27 no Jan 26 00:41:33 delete the lock file Jan 26 00:41:47 johnx: That's tempting. But, I'd reconsider considering the current state of the economy and you're preference for keeping your job in the long term ;) Jan 26 00:42:15 neato_jones, heh...but driving around in the snow in someone else's car sounds fun :> Jan 26 00:42:41 Plus, I have to go through Michigan, and no offense to any of you out there from Mich, but apparently they don't believe in snow plows or snow trucks on the interstates. Jan 26 00:43:02 Which is probably related to the lack of money due to the collapse of detroit. Jan 26 00:43:21 johnx: about that... Jan 26 00:43:53 I'd let you take my 4x4, but even it doesn't drive so well on solid ice :) Jan 26 00:43:58 neato_jones, hey, if you promise not to crash my job I'll promise not to crash your car :D Jan 26 00:44:36 * johnx would really love to put some tire chains on his impreza and do some snow driving Jan 26 00:44:47 Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running Jan 26 00:44:54 how may I start it again? Jan 26 00:45:02 /etc/init.d/ ???? Jan 26 00:45:12 deal. I hope you like the frigid cold of Saginaw Michigan. I think you're gonna like the Emergency Medicine people. Their a reasonably fun croud. Jan 26 00:45:56 * Stskeeps watches his magic po string refresher do it's job Jan 26 00:46:29 neato_jones, oh, EMS and I go waaay back. Fun times :) Jan 26 00:48:09 johnx: I'm sure you'll do fine then. Jan 26 00:49:01 Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running .... any ideas? Jan 26 00:49:22 Jake42-2, ps auxc | grep -i xephyr Jan 26 00:49:43 Jake42-2, also: make sure you're running the right command Jan 26 00:50:11 Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -extension Composite Jan 26 00:50:18 isn't it correct? Jan 26 00:50:33 (this one started the xephyr few minutes ago) Jan 26 00:50:40 yeah, so run the other command I told you: ps auxc | grep -i xephyr Jan 26 00:50:47 I did Jan 26 00:50:52 and it says? Jan 26 00:50:53 but same error Jan 26 00:51:45 does anyone know where to get vnc viewer for os2008 Jan 26 00:51:55 fuzzybunny_660, it's in extras Jan 26 00:52:15 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Jan 26 00:53:24 johnx, recognize this? Jan 26 00:53:48 Jake42-2, when you type: ps auxc | grep -i xephyr Jan 26 00:53:51 what does it say? Jan 26 00:55:22 nothing Jan 26 00:55:32 then I have no idea Jan 26 00:55:41 actually shouldn't Jan 26 00:55:47 ps -auxc Jan 26 00:55:48 ? Jan 26 00:55:54 doesn't matter in this case Jan 26 00:56:55 I can't go on either Jan 26 00:57:01 if I use the scratchbox Jan 26 00:57:07 of the vmware Jan 26 00:57:12 would I be ok? Jan 26 00:58:06 hey guys im back!!! Jan 26 00:58:06 yes, it's already set up and ready to go. but if you can't figure out this problem, then other problems might be very difficult for you Jan 26 00:58:27 As maybe you inspected Jan 26 00:58:34 I want to compile the php5-mysql alone Jan 26 00:58:48 any good tutorial for armel???? Jan 26 00:58:50 does anyone know where to get a kde installer download Jan 26 00:59:42 hello Jan 26 01:00:31 does anyone know where to get a kde installer tool download Jan 26 01:00:40 fuzzybunny_292, you don't need to repeat yourself Jan 26 01:00:48 just wait for someone to answer Jan 26 01:00:55 well no one answered Jan 26 01:01:17 sure are a lot of fuzzy bunnies Jan 26 01:01:37 im very fuzzy for one bunny Jan 26 01:01:55 could be worse. you could be a monkey Jan 26 01:02:03 ha Jan 26 01:02:10 fuzzybunny_292, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20317 Jan 26 01:04:39 already tried that. no download.... or at least it was discontinued Jan 26 01:04:58 huh? http://penguinbait.com/kde-installer-v4.deb Jan 26 01:05:24 thats the installer, not the cloning deb Jan 26 01:05:33 you asked for the installer :P Jan 26 01:05:40 i need to clone my os Jan 26 01:05:56 no, i asked for the installer tools Jan 26 01:05:56 * Stskeeps passes johnx a beer Jan 26 01:06:05 [01:59] does anyone know where to get a kde installer tool download Jan 26 01:06:22 "TOOL" Jan 26 01:06:40 fuzzybunny_292, how about that big link that says "install tools" on penguinbait.com? is that not what you need? Jan 26 01:06:52 check on penguinbait.com Jan 26 01:07:04 fuzzybunny_292: "console tools" is the newest one. Jan 26 01:07:11 its what i need but its only Jan 26 01:07:26 its only text Jan 26 01:07:42 where can i get console tools Jan 26 01:07:52 search on ITT for it. there's a big thread Jan 26 01:07:54 * wazd wants beer too x( Jan 26 01:08:00 BTW, install-tools downloads fine here Jan 26 01:08:01 * Stskeeps passes wazd a beer as well Jan 26 01:08:12 :) Jan 26 01:08:20 where?? Jan 26 01:08:27 where?? Jan 26 01:08:36 sorry glitch Jan 26 01:08:39 omgkthxbye :) Jan 26 01:09:28 the big link that says 'install tools < 43-7' Jan 26 01:09:34 I'm very proud cause I've understood 70% of Obama's Inaugural Address Jan 26 01:10:31 And it was really tough speech to comprehend :) Jan 26 01:10:44 yeah but if you right click its only text or an html Jan 26 01:11:00 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-locale.png Jan 26 01:11:02 fucking finally Jan 26 01:11:05 shut up Jan 26 01:12:05 fuzzybunny_292, it works here. I think there's something wrong on your side Jan 26 01:12:29 what do you mean??? im on a mac Jan 26 01:12:45 fuzzybunny_292: have you tried left click, smarty pants?) Jan 26 01:12:46 I mean: I download it here, and it's definitely a working .deb file Jan 26 01:13:13 yeah iv tried left click dumbo Jan 26 01:13:35 are you sure it's html? Jan 26 01:13:55 johnx: oh, maybe safari interprents .deb as text file Jan 26 01:14:05 it should start with: !.debian-binary Jan 26 01:14:10 johnx: I had same stuff for some .rar archives Jan 26 01:14:18 opt-click Jan 26 01:14:30 wazd, yeah, I expect that is the problem Jan 26 01:14:31 Server's mimes aren't set up properly. Jan 26 01:14:57 GeneralAntilles: well, my FF3 handles it ok Jan 26 01:15:21 * wazd wonders how to rightclick on a mac :) Jan 26 01:15:30 hey im back, i had to force quit safari cuz it frose Jan 26 01:16:04 fuzzybunny_243: does safari have "save object as" option? Jan 26 01:16:18 fuzzybunny_243, when you say, it's html, does it start like this?: !.debian-binary Jan 26 01:16:39 yes it starts like that Jan 26 01:16:45 that's a deb file Jan 26 01:16:47 not html Jan 26 01:16:53 but its text Jan 26 01:16:55 yes Jan 26 01:17:06 and the binary data is after that Jan 26 01:17:11 it's called a header Jan 26 01:17:16 how do i install then Jan 26 01:17:22 fuzzybunny_243: does safari have "save object as" option? Jan 26 01:17:23 you right click and save Jan 26 01:17:35 opt-click Jan 26 01:17:52 ok Jan 26 01:18:05 and then import to my n800 Jan 26 01:18:09 GeneralAntilles: that's kinda rightclick I guess :) Jan 26 01:18:21 wazd, no, that's download object. Jan 26 01:18:27 ctrl-click is right click Jan 26 01:18:34 GeneralAntilles: oh Jan 26 01:18:37 ya Jan 26 01:18:49 GeneralAntilles: see, not all designers are using mac :) Jan 26 01:18:57 haha Jan 26 01:19:43 * Stskeeps generates a new snapshot image Jan 26 01:20:59 qwerty12-mer: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade has sortof proper l10n now Jan 26 01:21:02 just FYI Jan 26 01:21:27 ya but when i save it to the sd car, its a .txt file. is that ok Jan 26 01:21:55 fuzzybunny_243, what's the whole filename? Jan 26 01:22:12 Stskeeps, cool, thanks. btw, liberty looks so much better with droid fonts Jan 26 01:22:36 hmmm...are the droid fonts freely distributable? Jan 26 01:22:42 well, it saved it as kde.txt Jan 26 01:23:06 huh. is this install-tools or kde-installer? Jan 26 01:23:10 and how do i install i Jan 26 01:23:19 its install tools Jan 26 01:23:43 rename to install-tools.deb, then follow the directions on the post about KDE Jan 26 01:23:53 yeah, i know, it puzzles me to Jan 26 01:23:57 ok Jan 26 01:25:48 johnx: apache license Jan 26 01:26:22 hmm? thoughts about including them in mer? Jan 26 01:26:46 its in ttf-droid in ubuntu Jan 26 01:27:03 ah...well nevermind then :) Jan 26 01:27:18 Stskeeps, can I upgrade xserver packages w/out it messing up my touchscreen? Jan 26 01:27:19 task is on sprint list for altering h-t-liberty Jan 26 01:27:31 qwerty12-mer, avoid synaptiics Jan 26 01:27:50 i followed the instructions but i couldent install the .txt files Jan 26 01:27:57 if it gets in, remove it Jan 26 01:28:34 can any one help me?? Jan 26 01:29:23 fuzzybunny_735, try renaming them to .deb Jan 26 01:29:27 aaaaaaauuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jan 26 01:29:37 i did rename them Jan 26 01:30:30 they still wont install Jan 26 01:30:46 what message do you get? Jan 26 01:31:33 when i go into application manager and click "install from file" it doesnt even recognise them Jan 26 01:31:56 I bet the real name is: install-tools.deb.txt Jan 26 01:32:05 it doesn't show the real file extension Jan 26 01:32:12 i dont know Jan 26 01:32:24 It should change if you delete any extension then add your own. Jan 26 01:32:32 Even if extension hiding is on. Jan 26 01:32:42 since MD5 has been broken, maemo's bad cert dialog should show sha1 fingerprints, rather than the md5 fingerprint Jan 26 01:32:43 yeah i know Jan 26 01:32:58 if they don't show up when you look for them in application manager then the extension isn't right Jan 26 01:33:46 but when i changed the extension, it didnt give me any prompts Jan 26 01:34:07 did you rename on the mac or n800? Jan 26 01:34:20 mac Jan 26 01:34:33 i cant even find it on the n800 Jan 26 01:34:42 but its on the flash Jan 26 01:34:50 look at the file in the file manager on the n800 Jan 26 01:35:15 the file manager cant find the sd cards Jan 26 01:35:32 well, that's part of them problem then Jan 26 01:35:32 try a reboot. Jan 26 01:35:49 did they work in os2007? Jan 26 01:35:56 yes Jan 26 01:36:13 i just got a new sd today Jan 26 01:36:34 can you format it in the n800? Jan 26 01:36:47 Time to shoot some netbook flesh Jan 26 01:36:50 no, cant even find it. Jan 26 01:37:05 its really strange Jan 26 01:37:07 wazd, die! Jan 26 01:37:08 does it work on other devices? Jan 26 01:37:19 fuzzy: can you find it from terminal? Jan 26 01:37:20 yes Jan 26 01:37:37 iv actually got two Jan 26 01:38:04 one is internal one is external but it cant see either Jan 26 01:38:14 huh...pretty weird Jan 26 01:38:20 yeah Jan 26 01:38:29 occaisionally, I have to restart the device to get them to show up. Jan 26 01:38:46 Especially if I"ve formated or had it plugged into my computer at all. Jan 26 01:39:00 I was able to get my "modest crashes on starup" solved by deleting the contents of ~/.modest/cache/mail/ Jan 26 01:39:09 hey thanks!!!!! Jan 26 01:39:14 it works Jan 26 01:39:34 fuzzybunny_735, was it still plugged into your computer by USB? Jan 26 01:39:39 it was plugged into my mac the whole time!!!! Jan 26 01:39:45 omg Jan 26 01:39:46 ahaha :P Jan 26 01:39:47 im so stupid Jan 26 01:39:55 that's ok. no worries :D Jan 26 01:40:05 I was wondering that, but I didn't want to make you look bad if it was :D Jan 26 01:40:12 ha Jan 26 01:40:39 i clicked the sd but it sais that its corrupt Jan 26 01:41:22 Fuzzy: what is it formated as? Jan 26 01:41:31 fuzzybunny_735, can you access the site right from the taablet? Jan 26 01:41:44 iv got 3 items Jan 26 01:42:14 fuzzy: wait, it says the SD is corrupt, or the deb is? Jan 26 01:42:46 the sd Jan 26 01:43:05 it was working the last time i used it Jan 26 01:43:16 ill try another Jan 26 01:45:05 gotta go bye Jan 26 01:45:47 bye Jan 26 01:50:42 that was super ridiculous :D Jan 26 01:51:03 eh. gotta start somewhere Jan 26 01:51:19 johnx: I worship your patience xD Jan 26 01:51:22 I *dread* some of my mailing list postings from when I was 14 getting dug up Jan 26 01:51:33 I consider this penance Jan 26 01:52:28 I've read the manual and got everything pretty clear) Jan 26 01:52:53 to be fair I had some *really esoteric* ISA PNP hardware to deal with Jan 26 01:53:25 I even installed PB's KDE since it was packed for dummies Jan 26 01:54:22 I like to give the ones just starting out the benefit of the doubt Jan 26 01:54:34 I wouldn't put up with that from someone over 20 :) Jan 26 01:55:35 Gotta go to bed, 5 am :) Jan 26 01:55:45 'night Jan 26 01:55:49 c ya in 5 hours) Jan 26 02:00:32 johnx, ha, that makes me a bit tempted to go over the old Newton list archives. . . . Jan 26 02:02:45 I had some real dumb moments coming to grips with the idea that no single person was telling all the open source developers what to do ... Jan 26 02:04:04 oh, there is more than one person telling the devs what to do. Jan 26 02:04:09 Thank god they're ignored. Jan 26 02:04:23 ahaha. I was one of them for a couple weeks in 7th grade :) Jan 26 02:04:37 hmm...maybe 8th... Jan 26 02:09:56 Stskeeps, liberty using droid fonts: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/libdroid/ Jan 26 02:11:02 looks nice Jan 26 02:13:54 Perversion. :P Jan 26 02:14:06 yay, perversions! Jan 26 02:14:10 <_< Jan 26 02:14:12 >_> Jan 26 02:14:18 I mean ... errr ... Jan 26 02:53:06 ^_^ Jan 26 02:53:14 ? Jan 26 02:53:52 * Mousey shrugs Jan 26 02:54:06 just curious Jan 26 02:54:16 * Mousey is all about dead cats Jan 26 02:54:24 O_o Jan 26 02:54:38 ^_^ Jan 26 02:54:43 Stskeeps, can't you complain of Nokia providing support for the backport re: 4001? Jan 26 02:57:58 woo! Jan 26 02:58:08 ready to foist a new first-boot-wizard on the world Jan 26 02:58:24 ...almost **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 26 02:59:57 2009