**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 28 02:59:57 2009
Jan 28 03:04:48 <Pavlz> an lcd to 208x320 pixel how many inches is it ?
Jan 28 03:08:33 <Pavlz> for example the nokia 770 is 800x480
Jan 28 03:09:05 <Pavlz> if i rember well is something as 8 inches
Jan 28 03:09:58 <Pavlz> remember well is something as a 8 inches
Jan 28 03:11:26 <lamo> I just bought a Nokia n810 and I'm a little confused about Diablo, Is that the firmware? If so then I need to flash it? Running Os2008 version 2.2007.51-3 now. thanks.
Jan 28 03:14:55 <GeneralAntilles> Pavlz, Nokia hasn't shipped Opera since 2007.
Jan 28 03:31:14 <edrex> r2d2rogers: ever have spontaneous reboots with 770/os2008he/fanoush48hz kernel?
Jan 28 03:31:16 <edrex> :)
Jan 28 03:31:43 <edrex> hoping it's just os2008he wonkiness, lack of swap etc
Jan 28 03:32:03 <r2d2rogers> edrex: yup
Jan 28 03:32:15 <r2d2rogers> usually metacrawler... tak the card out and see if it happens.
Jan 28 03:32:30 <edrex> what's metacrawler?
Jan 28 03:33:33 <edrex> service that detects card insertions?
Jan 28 03:33:40 <r2d2rogers> edrex: yup
Jan 28 03:33:49 <r2d2rogers> metalayer-crawler
Jan 28 03:34:23 <r2d2rogers> detects new media files for the media playerlibrary
Jan 28 03:34:50 <edrex> problem though, is I want to format the card. can I murder metacrawler?
Jan 28 03:35:05 <r2d2rogers> ed yup
Jan 28 03:35:11 <edrex> yes! no write errors!
Jan 28 03:35:14 <edrex> :)
Jan 28 03:35:28 <edrex> (with mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1)
Jan 28 03:35:31 <r2d2rogers> in rc5.d can rename S99-metalayer.... to K99....
Jan 28 03:35:35 <r2d2rogers> and reboot
Jan 28 03:35:47 <edrex> k, thanks
Jan 28 03:37:13 <pupnik> would it be possible to get hildony-gtk libs into angstrom?
Jan 28 03:44:22 <edrex> os2008he application manager is broken?
Jan 28 03:44:35 <edrex> "operation failed" when refreshing
Jan 28 03:45:01 <r2d2rogers> edrex: it shouldn't be
Jan 28 03:45:02 <edrex> just want to use apt-get, but have to install ssh first :)
Jan 28 03:45:19 <r2d2rogers> check the repo list
Jan 28 03:46:03 <edrex> "operation already in progress". I think I have to reboot :)
Jan 28 03:46:18 <r2d2rogers> edrex: ::nods::
Jan 28 03:46:21 <r2d2rogers> try that
Jan 28 03:48:16 <r2d2rogers> that's a interesting story too
Jan 28 03:48:24 <r2d2rogers> darn wrong window...
Jan 28 03:51:50 <Pavlz> i think but i am not sure that on sony ericsson p900
Jan 28 03:51:51 <edrex> ok, what repositories should I have? comes with 3 nokia cats, and maemo extras disabled.
Jan 28 03:52:23 * r2d2rogers checkes
Jan 28 03:52:24 <Pavlz> is possible to mount GNU/linux Deb-Ian
Jan 28 03:52:26 <GeneralAntilles> ~extras
Jan 28 03:52:27 <infobot> extras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Jan 28 03:52:55 <edrex> don't need the nokia ones, right?
Jan 28 03:53:25 <GeneralAntilles> edrex, there's a reason they ship with them.
Jan 28 03:53:29 <GeneralAntilles> Enable Extras and you're done.
Jan 28 03:53:34 <Pavlz> why it is possible to program in c, c++ and is available the sdk
Jan 28 03:53:49 <edrex> k. i'm dense
Jan 28 03:53:51 <edrex> :0
Jan 28 03:54:04 <Pavlz> package to develop wap pages Xhtml 2.0
Jan 28 03:54:48 <GeneralAntilles> edrex, one's the update repository where you get your system updates
Jan 28 03:54:55 <GeneralAntilles> one includes some Nokia software
Jan 28 03:54:59 <GeneralAntilles> one is currently empty
Jan 28 04:14:21 <r2d2rogers>  /window hide
Jan 28 04:14:24 <r2d2rogers> blah
Jan 28 04:19:38 <edrex_> is there a wget/curl replacement in os2008he? wget from repos takes 2megs!
Jan 28 04:20:45 <r2d2rogers> I just use the one from the repos
Jan 28 04:21:03 <GeneralAntilles> maemo-mini-curl is included.
Jan 28 04:21:13 <r2d2rogers> I ws aout to kick off Mer imager run
Jan 28 04:21:19 <edrex_> GeneralAntilles: thx, that's what I was lookin for
Jan 28 04:21:54 <edrex_> r2d2rogers: improvements since the one from Stskeeps this aft?
Jan 28 04:22:17 <r2d2rogers> edrex_: probably not, I'm just more used to that process ;)
Jan 28 04:23:26 <edrex_> good to be in practice. I want to set up a dev enviroment if everything goes well with my 770. does the imager run cross-compile on x86?
Jan 28 04:23:54 <r2d2rogers> the imager is just a script, so I believe so
Jan 28 04:24:14 <r2d2rogers> I just installed 32 bit Ubuntu so I could install the SDK and get flash working properly
Jan 28 04:24:18 <r2d2rogers> was on 64 bit
Jan 28 04:25:09 <edrex_> mer sdk or itos sdk?
Jan 28 04:25:50 <r2d2rogers> mer
Jan 28 04:26:27 <edrex_> oh, found it
Jan 28 04:27:18 <edrex_> GeneralAntilles: couldn't find maemo-mini-curl. is it in a package?
Jan 28 04:31:50 <edrex_> hmm need to make room to install tear on os2008he, thinking to remove default browser which crashes anyway. anyone else messed with removing default packages from 2008he?
Jan 28 04:32:41 <edrex_> ah well, later. going to try Mer now!
Jan 28 04:34:19 <r2d2rogers> edrex_: cool
Jan 28 04:34:29 <r2d2rogers> no i have been focussing on Mer
Jan 28 04:46:52 <edrex_> is Stskeeps latest bootmenu in maemo-extras? this link in http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26310 is a 404
Jan 28 04:47:16 <edrex_> oops, wrong link
Jan 28 04:47:23 <edrex_> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22705&page=2
Jan 28 04:51:17 <r2d2rogers> edrex_: try http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.2-1_armel.deb
Jan 28 04:51:59 <edrex_> r2d2rogers: thx.
Jan 28 05:01:22 <r2d2rogers> edrex_: I'm off to bed, catch me online tomorrow if you can 8-5 CST
Jan 28 05:01:52 <edrex_> k, thanks for all the help!
Jan 28 05:29:44 <MaceN800> well
Jan 28 05:29:54 <MaceN800> guess i'm going to have to put osx back on the macbook
Jan 28 05:29:56 <MaceN800> lame
Jan 28 05:44:18 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, the voting guy's an odd one.
Jan 28 06:22:26 <shfkds> is there anyway to rename your home folder?
Jan 28 06:22:45 <shfkds> cant seem to find where its located in xterm
Jan 28 06:25:21 <MaceN800> damn
Jan 28 06:25:27 <MaceN800> should have charged this damn thing before i left
Jan 28 06:25:39 <MaceN800> how th ehell did it just go from half to almost empty
Jan 28 06:25:39 <MaceN800> what bullshit
Jan 28 06:25:57 <MaceN800> argh!
Jan 28 06:27:08 <shfkds> dont suppose you know how to rename the home folder?
Jan 28 06:27:26 <shfkds> im on a n810
Jan 28 06:27:48 <shfkds> damn already left
Jan 28 06:31:59 <edrex_> shfkds: why do you want to do that?
Jan 28 06:33:13 <shfkds> just wanna change the name is all cant figure out where its located tho since mydocs is it in bash
Jan 28 06:33:27 <edrex_> shfkds: home directories are assigned in /etc/passwd on a linux system. you can change that, and move your home.
Jan 28 06:33:41 <edrex_> shfkds: but you shouldn't. it's a bad idea
Jan 28 06:34:21 <shfkds> so im stuck with the current name?
Jan 28 06:35:07 <edrex_> shfkds: have you heard the adage, "if it aint broke don't fix it"?
Jan 28 06:35:47 <shfkds> whoever said that obviously wasnt a linux user
Jan 28 06:36:44 <edrex_> heh
Jan 28 06:46:43 <benson> shfkds: Control panel --> Bluetootk --> My device's name.
Jan 28 06:47:43 <shfkds> haha awesome
Jan 28 06:47:47 <shfkds> thanks
Jan 28 06:59:43 <edrex_> benson: that moves the home directory?
Jan 28 07:01:06 <timeless> hello world
Jan 28 07:01:17 <timeless> anyone here use backup to backup their application list?
Jan 28 07:06:32 <Mousey> timeless: sometimes people do that
Jan 28 07:06:47 <timeless> have you?
Jan 28 07:06:55 <Mousey> occasionally
Jan 28 07:07:47 <timeless> do you pay attn to application manager when you do it?
Jan 28 07:08:16 <benson> edrex_: It changes the name it shows up in the file manager.
Jan 28 07:08:44 <benson> I think that's what shfkds was after.
Jan 28 07:09:21 <shfkds> yeah i wanted the name changed
Jan 28 07:09:31 <shfkds> in the file manager
Jan 28 07:09:54 <shfkds> worked out fine
Jan 28 07:16:53 <timeless> unpronouncable nick
Jan 28 07:18:38 <solmumaha> morning
Jan 28 07:21:42 <pupnik> morning solmumaha
Jan 28 07:45:29 <solmumaha> sup pupnik?
Jan 28 07:51:24 <RST38h> moo all
Jan 28 08:05:18 <Jucato_padd> is it ok to be manually deleting .destkop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon?
Jan 28 08:07:26 <Jucato_padd> one is rhapsody and another is the rtcomm installer that I've already uninstalled
Jan 28 08:14:51 <RST38h> Jucato: I suggest you try uninstalling packages with dpkg -P first
Jan 28 08:25:24 <Alendit_> hey, guys, is there a solution for virtual keyboard not popping up when using midori?
Jan 28 08:25:56 <Alendit_> midori doesn't seem to register when i click on a form field on a website
Jan 28 08:26:40 <RST38h> n810 has got a physical keyboard
Jan 28 08:26:49 <RST38h> aside from that, not much
Jan 28 08:28:19 <Alendit_> ok, thx
Jan 28 08:32:49 <edrex_> anybody know how to mount rootfs (mtdblock4) from bootmenu usb networking rescue mode
Jan 28 08:33:54 <edrex_> think I need to insmod a fs driver
Jan 28 08:34:26 <edrex_> but there is no /lib/modules/current/jffs2.ko, so assuming it's builtin
Jan 28 08:35:10 <edrex_> nevermind got it, needed -t jffs2 param to mount
Jan 28 08:35:38 <StsN801> what are you trying to do?
Jan 28 08:47:19 <edrex_> StsN801: trying untar the image you gave me in rescue mode since I get input/output errors when trying to do it in os2008he
Jan 28 08:47:56 <StsN801> rescue mode of which?
Jan 28 08:48:13 <edrex_> but busybox won't run gtar: /tmp/rootfs/bin/gtar: not found
Jan 28 08:48:34 <AStorm> because it's not installed
Jan 28 08:48:35 <edrex_> StsN801: bootmenu initfs rescuemode
Jan 28 08:48:36 <AStorm> ;)
Jan 28 08:48:45 <StsN801> mmc proble, maybe
Jan 28 08:48:58 <edrex_> AStorm: but the file is there. it won't execute it.
Jan 28 08:49:32 <StsN801> edrex_, cos libc on initfs isn't the one on rootfs
Jan 28 08:49:53 <edrex_> StsN801: i've been through a few cards :( this one is a new kingston 2gb. i may have a bad mmc slot, hoping not
Jan 28 08:50:01 <edrex_> StsN801: ah, good call
Jan 28 08:50:34 <StsN801> edrex_, try 48mhz kernel maybe
Jan 28 08:50:35 <edrex_> too bad..
Jan 28 08:50:45 <edrex_> StsN801: already have it
Jan 28 08:51:14 <StsN801> ok, then flash original kernel
Jan 28 08:51:26 <StsN801> or lower hz
Jan 28 08:52:28 <StsN801> someone had similar issue
Jan 28 08:52:57 <edrex_> StsN801: ya, I fooled around with all that a few months ago when I was trying to test deblet. it seems nothing made much difference. it seems to me that there is some memory buffer which fills up, after which the io errors start. hmm, maybe a lower hz would help....
Jan 28 08:53:04 <edrex_> will try the lowest one
Jan 28 08:53:39 <StsN801> yeah, 12mhz from fanouah
Jan 28 08:53:43 <edrex_> k
Jan 28 08:56:49 <edrex_> StsN801: what part of the world are you in?
Jan 28 09:05:37 <edrex_> seems like I always get an unstable session or two after flashing a new kernel. might not bode well for the kexec thing, at least on 770
Jan 28 09:05:55 <edrex_> or maybe i just have a flaky device
Jan 28 09:14:42 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 28 09:14:58 <timeless> jaffa: someone just bluescreened my laptop :(
Jan 28 09:15:16 <Jaffa> Bastards :-/
Jan 28 09:15:45 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: yup, very odd. Any thoughts on a preferred voting method from you?
Jan 28 10:02:11 <gilles__> hi guys
Jan 28 10:02:49 <gilles__> i'm looking for help adding opencyclemap into maemo mapper
Jan 28 10:03:11 <gilles__> i can't figure url format
Jan 28 10:04:11 <gilles__> opencyclemap is great for offroad
Jan 28 10:23:09 <StsN801> edrex_, dk
Jan 28 10:24:21 <edrex_> ah, so you're not some crazy night-owl like me :)
Jan 28 10:25:29 <edrex_> i'm trying to do a badblocks scan with e2fsck -cck since it always fails in the same spots
Jan 28 10:25:43 <edrex_> but it takes forever
Jan 28 10:27:11 <Stskeeps> edrex_: i am but i have classes
Jan 28 10:31:22 <RST38h> how comes opencyclemap shows more data than openstreetmap? (and I do not mean bicycle routes)
Jan 28 10:31:57 <edrex_> ok, my mmc slot officially causes bad blocks. a second card with the disk label sectors fried
Jan 28 10:32:03 <edrex_> hmm
Jan 28 10:33:19 <edrex_> RST38h: you can see more one a bike -- everybody knows that!
Jan 28 10:34:26 <Stskeeps> edrex_: did you reduce mhz?
Jan 28 10:34:32 <RST38h> edrex: not THAT much area though
Jan 28 10:34:35 <edrex_> yes
Jan 28 10:36:50 <Stskeeps> edrex_: not good :/ mer id
Jan 28 10:36:55 <edrex_> both of my 2G cards are un-readable.. will check with usb card reader tomorrow, but I may be out of the game - sorry
Jan 28 10:37:11 <Stskeeps> is too big to fit in 770 flash so
Jan 28 10:37:45 <RST38h> Compare:
Jan 28 10:37:46 <RST38h> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?zoom=12&lat=58.16858&lon=33.27539&layers=B000
Jan 28 10:37:53 <RST38h> http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=12&lat=58.16858&lon=33.27539&layers=B000
Jan 28 10:38:03 <RST38h> Stunning, isn't it?
Jan 28 10:38:28 <edrex_> sleep becons - night all
Jan 28 10:38:38 <aquatix> edrex_: nn
Jan 28 10:40:50 <gilles__> for openstreetmap it works with
Jan 28 10:40:57 <gilles__> http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%0d/%d/%d.png
Jan 28 10:40:58 <lcuk> oink!
Jan 28 10:41:34 <gilles__> can you help me find it with opencyclemap ?
Jan 28 10:41:57 <gilles__> cyclemap is a sub project of osm
Jan 28 10:42:16 <RST38h> But why doesn't osm show the same layers?
Jan 28 10:42:38 <gilles__> it seem like a different layer
Jan 28 10:44:19 <gilles__> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.334&lon=5.27&zoom=10&layers=B000FTF
Jan 28 10:44:54 <RST38h> gilles: this link does not show a map
Jan 28 10:45:21 <gilles__> http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=9&lat=43.36433&lon=5.30759&layers=B000
Jan 28 10:45:49 <RST38h> wait, it works in FF
Jan 28 10:46:23 <gilles__> for osm i've got lat lon zoom
Jan 28 10:46:41 <gilles__> for ocm i've got zoom lat lon
Jan 28 10:46:45 <RST38h> B000FTF does not show any new layers in osm
Jan 28 10:47:28 <gilles__> andwhat %0d%d%d apply to ?
Jan 28 10:47:57 <gilles__> %0d
Jan 28 10:48:10 <RST38h> decimal number
Jan 28 10:49:23 <gilles__> i guess mapper is expecting lat first
Jan 28 10:50:41 * Stskeeps notes waiting for classes suck 
Jan 28 10:52:05 <lcuk> Stskeeps, i could get you some bamboo to  do your nails with whilst you wait
Jan 28 10:52:41 <RST38h> gilles: Most likely it does not matter
Jan 28 10:52:59 <RST38h> gilles: The CGI API does not require these arguments in any special order
Jan 28 10:53:04 <Stskeeps> lcuk: tablet is a godsend
Jan 28 10:53:50 <lcuk> Stskeeps, arent they just :)
Jan 28 10:54:14 <lcuk> apart from when you need them and you cannot use em cos you left something running all night (as happened to me yesterday)
Jan 28 10:54:23 <kossu50> hi, is there a way to get browser back without reboot?
Jan 28 10:54:56 <gilles__> i've tried this "http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=%d&lat=%d&lon=%d&layers=B000"
Jan 28 10:55:07 <gilles__> but no success
Jan 28 10:55:48 <Stskeeps> kossu50: load applet, kill browserd, browser
Jan 28 10:55:57 <lcuk> kossu50, there might be, but it wouldbe better for your time to just reboot and not stress everyone out tryingto diagnose ?
Jan 28 10:56:31 <lcuk> Stskeeps, we need a ctrl+alt+del screen specifically for this kind of thing
Jan 28 10:56:39 <lcuk> and it should use multitouch ;)
Jan 28 10:56:58 <kossu50> no posible to logout?
Jan 28 10:57:19 <Stskeeps> lcuk: worst part is im definately not at home - actua;lly on main campus
Jan 28 10:57:51 <kossu50> just reboot like windows
Jan 28 10:57:57 <lcuk> Stskeeps, heh thats a good thing, its rare i find decent wifi whilst mobile, i need to tether my tablet with my phone to do some testing
Jan 28 10:58:22 <Stskeeps> lcuk: only positive thing is there's actually women here
Jan 28 10:58:54 <lcuk> kossu50, stskeeps just suggested something reasonable if you have "load applet" installed, it will work
Jan 28 10:59:06 <kossu50> ok
Jan 28 10:59:57 <lcuk> Stskeeps, then why are you talking on the nokia and not interacting with the warm soft biological species ;)
Jan 28 11:00:16 <Stskeeps> lcuk: gf coming home today
Jan 28 11:01:19 <lcuk> as in not home yet? :D there is nothing wrong with looking at other models.  infact it is good to compare the market :P
Jan 28 11:01:34 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 28 11:01:47 <lcuk> im sure theres a female comparison website out there
Jan 28 11:02:43 * RST38h moos
Jan 28 11:03:15 <lcuk> oink oink! RST38h
Jan 28 11:03:22 * RST38h sees some bacon
Jan 28 11:04:47 <lcuk> OI!
Jan 28 11:05:01 <lcuk> lolol @ this : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090128/tuk-sniffer-dog-not-killed-by-cocaine-dba1618.html
Jan 28 11:05:42 <kossu50> Stskeeps: load-applet seems to work thanks
Jan 28 11:07:45 <RST38h> lcuk: Have you seen the story about a dog who got addicted to licking a cane toad?
Jan 28 11:08:18 <lcuk> no, but doesnt sound unreasonable,  we are addicted to numerous things
Jan 28 11:08:30 <RST38h> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/30/toad_licking_dog/
Jan 28 11:09:54 <lcuk> :D CLASS!
Jan 28 11:10:20 <lcuk> i must dash again, no doubt ill pop back later
Jan 28 11:31:56 <lardman> morning all
Jan 28 11:32:11 <Jaffa> lo lardman
Jan 28 11:32:41 <lardman> hey Jaffa
Jan 28 11:33:44 <woglinde> hi lardman
Jan 28 11:36:02 <lardman> hi woglinde
Jan 28 11:36:20 * lardman wonders if anyone has ever got trapped in a hello loop :)
Jan 28 11:38:34 * Jucato waves hello
Jan 28 11:52:20 <lcuk> lardman, that would require you to be exploitable, if you have installed wine on your system maybe its possible ;)
Jan 28 11:54:15 * timelE61i has seen bots in hello loops
Jan 28 11:54:35 <lcuk> heh timelE61i ive seen many bot battles
Jan 28 11:55:22 <lcuk> evilbot on dc was known for it
Jan 28 11:56:32 <RST38h> lcuk: When I was young, we did not use bots for battles!
Jan 28 11:56:46 * RST38h feels like an old fart now
Jan 28 11:57:36 <lcuk> thats cos u are :P
Jan 28 12:06:22 * LinuxCode selinux's lcuk 
Jan 28 12:06:26 * LinuxCode laughs at lcuk 
Jan 28 12:14:53 <lardman> aargh, left my mp3 microSD at home, only have Mer now
Jan 28 12:14:56 <wazd> hello everybody)
Jan 28 12:15:23 <florian> hi wanders
Jan 28 12:15:28 <florian> eh wazd
Jan 28 12:15:34 * florian shoots xchat
Jan 28 12:15:39 <wanders> Hi florian :)
Jan 28 12:15:48 <florian> :-)
Jan 28 12:20:15 <Stskeeps> lardman: mer>mp3;)
Jan 28 12:20:52 <lardman> Stskeeps: hmm, not sure about that listening to the bin files playing static ;)
Jan 28 12:21:40 <lcuk> lardman, you could listen to mer binaries - wouldnt be any different to half the modern music
Jan 28 12:22:08 <RST38h> ehlo wazd
Jan 28 12:22:37 * lcuk installs windows Me on LinuxCode
Jan 28 12:22:51 * LinuxCode bsods
Jan 28 12:23:57 <lardman> lcuk: leathal bizzle!
Jan 28 12:24:36 <lcuk> heh use it as a test case for your a2dp :D
Jan 28 12:24:47 <johnx|z> hey Stskeeps. did the image work out ok?
Jan 28 12:25:21 <lcuk> mornin johnx|z
Jan 28 12:27:31 <Myrtti> eenie meenie miney moe
Jan 28 12:27:40 <johnx|z> mornin' lcuk
Jan 28 12:27:54 <johnx|z> anyone try the latest mer image?
Jan 28 12:27:55 <lcuk> mornin Myrtti, are you home now or still in the uk?
Jan 28 12:28:21 <lardman> johnx|z: I'm willing to have another go :)
Jan 28 12:29:36 * lardman wishes he'd brought his n800 in so he could listen to the radio
Jan 28 12:29:50 <Myrtti> lcuk: still in UK
Jan 28 12:29:51 <lardman> or an n900 test machine would be fine, any Nokians about? ;)
Jan 28 12:30:15 <Jaffa> lardman: you can borrow mine, if you want
Jan 28 12:30:20 <lardman> :p
Jan 28 12:31:07 <lcuk> *everyone: party round at jaffas house!*
Jan 28 12:31:09 <Jaffa> http://virtualglen.blogspot.com/2005/04/what-i-tell-you-three-times-is-true.html is my plan here
Jan 28 12:31:20 <Jaffa> lcuk: My mother-in-law is there, I wouldn't....
Jan 28 12:31:38 <lcuk> n900 security, brought to you by M.I.L.
Jan 28 12:32:10 <RST38h> Hey, folks, who wanted OpenCycleMap tiles?
Jan 28 12:32:25 <LinuxCode> Jaffa, lcuk likes mature women
Jan 28 12:32:28 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 28 12:32:30 <LinuxCode> ;-]
Jan 28 12:32:38 <Jaffa> Covered in bacon
Jan 28 12:32:40 <lcuk> RST38h, <gilles__>
Jan 28 12:32:41 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 28 12:32:51 <lcuk> <gilles__> i've tried this "http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=%d&lat=%d&lon=%d&layers=B000"
Jan 28 12:32:51 <lcuk> <gilles__> but no success
Jan 28 12:32:54 <LinuxCode> baconator!
Jan 28 12:33:00 <lcuk> mmmmmmmmmmmm
Jan 28 12:33:02 <RST38h> lcuk: Is he still around?
Jan 28 12:33:05 <Stskeeps> johnx|z: been in classes all morn ng
Jan 28 12:33:10 <lcuk> i wondered why i got a double ping
Jan 28 12:33:16 <lcuk> how the heck should i know
Jan 28 12:33:18 * Jaffa his picturing that now. Not pleasant.
Jan 28 12:33:22 * lcuk is not the font of all knowledge
Jan 28 12:33:32 <lcuk> red dwarf is coming back \o/
Jan 28 12:33:34 <lcuk> red dwarf is coming back \o/
Jan 28 12:33:35 <lcuk> red dwarf is coming back \o/
Jan 28 12:33:44 <lardman> johnx: where's the new Mer then?
Jan 28 12:33:45 * lcuk gets a double polaroid thinking about it
Jan 28 12:33:45 <lardman> ;)
Jan 28 12:34:15 <Myrtti> hrmmmhh
Jan 28 12:34:40 <RST38h> gilles__: I have found it - the root URL is http://a.andy.sandbox.cloudmade.com/tiles/cycle
Jan 28 12:34:54 <RST38h> gilles__: Where "a" may also change, the same as with openstreetmap
Jan 28 12:35:26 <lcuk> jaffa: http://bash.org/?768409
Jan 28 12:36:11 <gilles__> great but i've got a 404 error*
Jan 28 12:36:28 <gilles__> when i open with browser
Jan 28 12:36:37 <Stskeeps> lardman: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-armel-n800-image-snap5.tar.gz
Jan 28 12:36:56 <gilles__> does it wroks if i put this on maemo mapper
Jan 28 12:37:08 <Stskeeps> lo zenvoid
Jan 28 12:37:08 <RST38h> gilles: it should
Jan 28 12:37:24 <RST38h> gilles: you should form the tile URL the same way you do it with openstreetmap
Jan 28 12:37:36 <gilles__> i'm trying it immediatly
Jan 28 12:37:42 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: hi :-)
Jan 28 12:37:54 <RST38h> gilles: i.e. it is http://%c.andy.sandbox.cloudmade.com/tiles/cycle/%0d/%0d/%0d.png
Jan 28 12:39:37 <lardman> Stskeeps: cool, is installing now
Jan 28 12:40:52 <zenvoid> any progress for Mer system sounds?
Jan 28 12:42:03 <Stskeeps> battery low so might vanish - guy who posted on itt about nokia internet call ringtones was very interested in helping out
Jan 28 12:42:06 <lcuk> LinuxCode, there is nothing wrong with mature ladies, especially when they show me their buspass
Jan 28 12:42:20 <gilles__> don't work :(
Jan 28 12:42:31 <Stskeeps> +also
Jan 28 12:42:31 <LinuxCode> lcuk, haha ;-D
Jan 28 12:42:47 <LinuxCode> lcuk, my mother is single
Jan 28 12:42:50 <gilles__> or perhaps i missed something
Jan 28 12:42:53 <lcuk> gilles__, if you are getting 404 on the tablet browser its showing the tablet cannot find the site - therefore it wont work until you sort that problem out
Jan 28 12:42:54 <LinuxCode> interested ?
Jan 28 12:43:09 <gilles__> can you pastebin it ?
Jan 28 12:43:13 <lcuk> lc, what other incentives are you willing to throw in
Jan 28 12:43:26 <lcuk> gilles__, pastebin what? the entire maps database?
Jan 28 12:44:09 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: we switched to droid sans in liberty btw
Jan 28 12:44:57 <gilles__> on my browser it wrote tiles/cycle was not found on this erver
Jan 28 12:45:11 <LinuxCode> lcuk, lol my mother doesnt need an incentive
Jan 28 12:45:19 <LinuxCode> you do mate
Jan 28 12:45:21 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 28 12:45:32 <Jaffa> zenvoid: I put some links to fx websites on http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Tasks/Open_System_Sounds - the task is owned by opengeekv2 in Sprints/0.7 but is at 0% progress
Jan 28 12:45:54 <LinuxCode> i gave you credit for doing liqbase
Jan 28 12:45:57 <lcuk> heh,maybe we need to change the subject
Jan 28 12:46:01 <LinuxCode> lol
Jan 28 12:46:02 <LinuxCode> yes
Jan 28 12:46:11 <LinuxCode> I was only kidding anyway
Jan 28 12:46:19 * lcuk wasnt :P
Jan 28 12:46:20 <Myrtti> what the hell is this discussion about...
Jan 28 12:46:23 <Myrtti> ew.
Jan 28 12:46:29 <zenvoid> Jaffa: thanks, I will look at the links
Jan 28 12:46:32 <lcuk> lol Myrtti
Jan 28 12:46:42 <Myrtti> :-|
Jan 28 12:46:45 * Myrtti is not amused
Jan 28 12:46:49 <gilles__> hurra it works now !
Jan 28 12:47:04 <gilles__> RST38h: you're my hero :)
Jan 28 12:47:05 <Myrtti> "just kidding" doesn't really make what was said away
Jan 28 12:47:14 <Myrtti> s/away/go away/
Jan 28 12:47:15 <infobot> Myrtti meant: "just kidding" doesn't really make what was said go away
Jan 28 12:47:48 <lcuk> Myrtti - i did not start this, linuxcode did and jaffa got me all excited with his bacon talk
Jan 28 12:47:55 <Myrtti> lcuk: I know you didn't
Jan 28 12:48:35 <LinuxCode> Myrtti, we are having a laugh
Jan 28 12:49:02 <lcuk> oooooooooh tracy bought me more bacon, no offer will be as good as tracy+bacon :)
Jan 28 12:49:08 <Myrtti> LinuxCode: weird that I'm not laughing...
Jan 28 12:49:16 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: I have too many things in my hands during this month, so almost no time to package things... at least I'll try to give a look at the systems sounds today
Jan 28 12:49:17 <LinuxCode> Myrtti, time to log out ?
Jan 28 12:49:49 <LinuxCode> if you cant have a laugh .... something isnt right
Jan 28 12:50:07 <LinuxCode> anyway, enough of that ;-}
Jan 28 12:50:09 <Stskeeps> ..
Jan 28 12:50:14 <Myrtti> Oh ffs...
Jan 28 12:52:44 <Myrtti> yeah, perhaps it's time to log off because I fail to see how your single mother relates to the topic of this channel which, last I checked, was maemo and everything that relates. I guess I'm too old and too grumpy to laugh at you talking about your mother like that. But hey, it's your mother. I know you know better would she appreciate being talked about like that here than I do.
Jan 28 12:53:09 <Myrtti> :-|
Jan 28 12:53:18 <Myrtti> enough of that, moving on
Jan 28 12:53:22 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: hehe, janusry is busy for me too, - could you read through wiki.maemo.org/Mer/People and /Mer/Sprints and send me an email as described - makes it easier to catch up and hop on/off the train
Jan 28 12:54:03 <Stskeeps> as you can check the backlog of activities and get an awareness whats going on
Jan 28 12:54:13 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: OK
Jan 28 12:54:36 <Stskeeps> (it helps me balance mer vs rl;)
Jan 28 12:54:44 <Macer> word
Jan 28 12:56:04 <b-man> g'morning everyone
Jan 28 12:56:22 <Stskeeps> morning bman
Jan 28 12:56:52 <lardman> Stskeeps: right, I ran installer, it asked for root passwd, then shutdown straight away - is that by design?
Jan 28 12:57:11 * b-man is stuck in a blizzard so i'll be here all day :)
Jan 28 12:57:30 <lardman> Stskeeps: might be worth adding in a final dialog to say "Right, we've installed, now reboot and hold down the menu key to start Mer!" or similar
Jan 28 12:57:46 <lardman> is generating ssh rsa key now in Mer
Jan 28 12:58:52 <b-man> lardman: /me ;)
Jan 28 12:59:44 <lardman> Stskeeps, johnx: it got past my strange name this time ;)
Jan 28 13:02:27 <lardman> yay, and the x-term even loads
Jan 28 13:02:32 * lardman is happy :)
Jan 28 13:03:47 <zenvoid> btw, I could not find an explicit license for Android systems sounds. I *think* they are under apache license, but unlike code, fonts, and other data, they have no license attached in the sources (weird!)
Jan 28 13:03:49 <lcuk> lardman, you didnt have to change your name?
Jan 28 13:04:35 <lcuk> zenvoid, i remember an amiga game has a sample played in its tracker saying "you will not copy this game"  i found out when i got the mod from a pirate disk
Jan 28 13:07:20 <Jaffa> Stskeeps/johnx: did you get a chance to test "Figure out why HAM doesn't work in snapshot images" (looking at Sprints/0.7)?
Jan 28 13:08:43 <zenvoid> lcuk: hehe, and some time ago I found the W95 system sounds in a package offically included in Debian repo :-)
Jan 28 13:08:55 <lardman> lcuk: nope, still the same old one, easier to remember that way ;)
Jan 28 13:10:10 <lardman> I note: no battery applet? hw on/off button doesn't respond; and key lock switch doens't work either
Jan 28 13:10:22 <lardman> so no mce replacement running?
Jan 28 13:10:22 <lcuk> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LQSsq7HCNHw&feature=related
Jan 28 13:10:32 <lcuk> thats the one - find the mod for that and you can hear it :D
Jan 28 13:12:12 <lcuk> lardman, thatsn o fun.  regarding names though it reminds me liqbase still cant do capital letters (no shift key)
Jan 28 13:12:50 <lcuk> but after the apple announce thing  im a bit nervous about putting  anything in (i wanted to try multitouch with shift key+letters)
Jan 28 13:12:53 <lardman> lcuk: ah, things to be done, always good to have a project
Jan 28 13:13:53 <lcuk> yeah deffo :) i hope to get my little project finished in the next couple of weeks max (or at least releasable) then i can get on with the best part :) making apps
Jan 28 13:14:17 <lcuk> anyway, bbl
Jan 28 13:15:22 * zenvoid added a link to olpc sounds in the wiki
Jan 28 13:16:23 <zenvoid> notice that tha license for sounds in freesound.org has some commercial restrictions
Jan 28 13:17:55 <Jaffa> zenvoid: That feeds into the CC NC question Stskeeps was asking on Jaiku.
Jan 28 13:18:06 <Jaffa> Perhaps sounds under CC NC (or a similar licence) would be OK, though?
Jan 28 13:18:29 <LinuxCode> zenvoid, freesound is under cc license
Jan 28 13:18:57 <zenvoid> LinuxCode: yes, under CC sampling plus, but it is not a good license
Jan 28 13:19:21 <zenvoid> LinuxCode: CC NC is better
Jan 28 13:20:01 <zenvoid> LinuxCode: sampling plus is really only useful to music production, it is not even recommended anymore by the Creative Commons
Jan 28 13:20:06 <LinuxCode> zenvoid, Im no lawyer, would have to check the fedora site
Jan 28 13:20:35 <LinuxCode> redhat's legal team takes care of all the questions regarding licensing
Jan 28 13:20:54 <LinuxCode> but it says freefor commercial and non-commerical use on their own website
Jan 28 13:23:31 <zenvoid> LinuxCode: has restrictions for advertising, sampling plus is a weird license
Jan 28 13:24:04 <Jaffa> But they're not going to be used in advertising, are tehey?
Jan 28 13:25:24 <LinuxCode> i would seek legal advice, if you are unsure
Jan 28 13:25:43 <RST38h> Urgh...Legal advice
Jan 28 13:25:50 <zenvoid> Jaffa: is not the only restriction. In fact, the license is so complicated than almost nobody (unless you are a lawyer) knows what is really forbidden or permitted
Jan 28 13:27:51 <zenvoid> the sampling plus was deprecated by the CC foundation. The CC NC seems to be OK
Jan 28 13:28:12 <zenvoid> it is really unfortunate that freesound.org used sampling plus
Jan 28 13:28:23 <Jaffa> zenvoid: licence isn't that hard to read. You can use the sounds in a derivative product. You can only use the sounds in advertising for that product, not to advertise something else. You can't use the sounds in a project for commercial advantage or private monetary compensiatoin.
Jan 28 13:29:02 <Jaffa> So, as a stand-alone package, should be fine for inclusion in Mer. If, in future, some company wants to use Mer as a base for thir commercial product, they can supply new sound package
Jan 28 13:29:43 <lcuk> but would they know to check everything and would we remember to put a footnote explicitely specifying this odd licensing term
Jan 28 13:30:09 <Jaffa> All the packages have their own licence. If a company ships something without knowing the licening, they're in deep do-do
Jan 28 13:30:52 <Jaffa> But on the "About/Legal" page - it could say @The majority of packages in Mer are under a GPL compatible licence. Some pacakges are under CC ... To see a full list of licences - and the packages which use them - run ...."
Jan 28 13:31:10 <zenvoid> Jaffa: well... if you think it is OK, then no problem
Jan 28 13:31:13 <lcuk> yes jaffa agreed
Jan 28 13:31:27 <Jaffa> *I* think it's OK. But IANAL, and IANStskeeps
Jan 28 13:33:10 * RST38h shudders at the last sentence
Jan 28 13:33:12 <Jaffa> http://www.freesound.org/legal.php - for reference
Jan 28 13:33:29 <Jaffa> RST38h: Of?
Jan 28 13:39:23 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: CC NC question on jaiku was http://jaiku.com/channel/mer/presence/52297083 btw
Jan 28 13:39:46 <Stskeeps> i just noticed it as i noticed CC sampling plus in some sample files :)
Jan 28 13:40:33 <Stskeeps> (i loathe license discussions, but for instance CC NC material would harm my direct involvement in mer as i do some mer stuff as part of work :P)
Jan 28 13:42:03 <Stskeeps> and it would practically impossible for potential vendors to use mer as a platform on actual devices otherwise :)
Jan 28 13:43:55 <Stskeeps> lardman: correct, no systemui running, or MCE
Jan 28 13:44:15 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: re HAM, i will test the new snapshot in a bit
Jan 28 13:44:48 <Stskeeps> lardman: and the installer quitting instantly is a bug fixed in next deb that i'll put up once this house is clean and the gf is properly welcomed
Jan 28 13:44:51 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 28 13:47:22 <lardman> cool
Jan 28 13:47:45 <lardman> so what's the plan re systemui and MCE
Jan 28 13:47:56 <Stskeeps> we're not sure. powerlaunch is a possibility but the language is fierce..
Jan 28 13:48:26 <lardman> language? what's it written in?
Jan 28 13:49:06 <Stskeeps> well, if you looked closer at powerlaunch, it isn't actually a UI and such, it's a event-based programming language
Jan 28 13:49:25 <lardman> ah, ok, I've not looked at it
Jan 28 13:49:35 <Stskeeps> i -think- it's one big state machine, but i'm not confident..
Jan 28 13:49:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 28 13:49:53 <Stskeeps> the idea is good but i'm not confident it's the user friendly way to g
Jan 28 13:49:55 <Stskeeps> o
Jan 28 13:49:57 <lardman> sooo, is there an intermediate step, something to make Mer usable?
Jan 28 13:50:32 <Stskeeps> to make it shut down or reboot? ;)
Jan 28 13:50:48 <Stskeeps> pop battery or xterm->su->shutdown, or a small daemon popping up a ui when power button is pressed
Jan 28 13:51:19 <lardman> yeah I can do those from the term, but locking the keyboard/screen is pretty important
Jan 28 13:51:34 <Stskeeps> yeah, agreed
Jan 28 13:52:09 <Stskeeps> well, something for 0.8 for sure
Jan 28 13:53:00 <lardman> hmm, so none of the Nokia stuff is running at all
Jan 28 13:53:12 <Stskeeps> DSME is running and BME
Jan 28 13:53:23 <lardman> oh, I can't see them in the process list
Jan 28 13:54:06 <Stskeeps> (from initfs)
Jan 28 13:54:40 <lardman> yeah, still couldn't see them
Jan 28 13:54:48 <lardman> will have another look when I get home using ssh
Jan 28 13:55:00 <lardman> enter key doesn't work on hw keyboard
Jan 28 13:55:03 <lardman> in xterm
Jan 28 13:55:49 <Stskeeps> yeah, same with x86 - it's a VTE patch we need to do
Jan 28 13:56:05 <Stskeeps> (i'm not sure why this is)
Jan 28 13:57:14 <lardman> looks like idling is not too hot either, I left it alone for an hour and the battery was warm and temp is showing ~35C
Jan 28 13:57:30 <lardman> s/hot/good
Jan 28 13:57:31 <Stskeeps> lardman: power saving is busted when python-gobject and some other things isn't installed
Jan 28 13:57:41 <Stskeeps> as in, wifi power saving
Jan 28 13:57:48 <Stskeeps> dsme-tools just needs some extra depends
Jan 28 13:57:56 <lardman> that was without wifi running
Jan 28 13:58:02 <Stskeeps> it still scans, so :P
Jan 28 13:58:08 <lardman> all the time
Jan 28 13:58:09 <lardman> ?
Jan 28 13:58:23 <Stskeeps> well, dunno, but NM is kinda agressive
Jan 28 13:58:33 <Stskeeps> it's something to look into, at least :P
Jan 28 13:58:41 <lardman> yep :)
Jan 28 13:58:52 <lardman> got to go to a meeting, back in a bit
Jan 28 13:59:02 <Stskeeps> (i'm not a fan of NM but it's what we have atm. maybe Moblin's comm-man or something would be useful)
Jan 28 13:59:09 <Stskeeps> so moblin actually gets a purpose
Jan 28 13:59:18 <Myrtti> hmmmm do I want more tea?
Jan 28 13:59:38 <Stskeeps> mm, which kind?
Jan 28 14:00:17 <lcuk> Myrtti, you are in the UK, there is no other answer to that question than "Yes!"
Jan 28 14:00:38 <lcuk> im actually surprised you had to ask your self - its almsot drip fed in some parts of the country
Jan 28 14:01:14 <t5vaha01> Is there some problem with updating repository.maemo.org/extras-devel?   Been waiting nearly 3 hours?
Jan 28 14:01:43 <Myrtti> lcuk: joys of working from home... the question had to be asked in liaison with the question "do I want to go to the kitchen to make tea with only two pairs of socks and slippers on my feet"
Jan 28 14:01:48 <X-Fade> t5vaha01: Updating on your device?
Jan 28 14:02:27 <lcuk> Myrtti, as long as your kitchen is not in the middle of an ikea store im sure you can walk around in just your slippers
Jan 28 14:02:36 <lcuk> mind you, even in an ikea store thats probably allowed
Jan 28 14:02:48 <t5vaha01> Not on device, using browser to check. I was throwing stuff there using autobuilder.
Jan 28 14:03:04 <Myrtti> lcuk: the problem is the temperature, not the eyes that might see what I'm wearing
Jan 28 14:03:14 <X-Fade> t5vaha01: What package did you upload?
Jan 28 14:03:22 <Myrtti> anyway
Jan 28 14:04:08 <t5vaha01> new version of irreco-core
Jan 28 14:06:48 <X-Fade> t5vaha01: Ok, I'll check what's up.
Jan 28 14:07:17 <t5vaha01> X-Fade Thanks
Jan 28 14:08:22 <X-Fade> t5vaha01: 0.6.9.5-7joniedition ?
Jan 28 14:09:47 <t5vaha01> X-Fade That's the latest, but hours ago uploaded irreco-core 0.6.9.5-5 isn't there yet either.
Jan 28 14:10:06 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: fresh image from last night looks great
Jan 28 14:10:27 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: alright, works without issue on 770?
Jan 28 14:10:30 <r2d2rogers> first boot process was smooth and uneventful
Jan 28 14:10:34 <r2d2rogers> yup
Jan 28 14:10:39 <Stskeeps> the tar.gz i pointed edrex on? good
Jan 28 14:10:45 <Stskeeps> i was worried there was /dev/fb1 problems
Jan 28 14:10:52 <r2d2rogers> not sure on the tar,
Jan 28 14:11:06 <r2d2rogers> but a fresh imager install ran fine
Jan 28 14:11:18 <r2d2rogers> I had to head to bed before he was done
Jan 28 14:11:22 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 28 14:11:31 <r2d2rogers> and I see no messages to me from him, so (fingers crossed)
Jan 28 14:12:22 <Stskeeps> well his MMC port was fried it seems
Jan 28 14:12:27 <Stskeeps> consistent broken mmcs
Jan 28 14:12:35 <Stskeeps> even with lower mhz
Jan 28 14:13:05 <r2d2rogers> Hmm, I think he did have better luck with the OS2008HE
Jan 28 14:13:12 <X-Fade> t5vaha01: Will be fixed soon. The repository mirror box has a out of disk space problem :)
Jan 28 14:13:16 <r2d2rogers> said no wrote errors anyhow
Jan 28 14:13:24 <Stskeeps> ok
Jan 28 14:13:35 <r2d2rogers> s/wrote/write/
Jan 28 14:13:35 <infobot> r2d2rogers meant: said no write errors anyhow
Jan 28 14:13:54 <t5vaha01> X-Fade ok
Jan 28 14:19:06 <X-Fade> t5vaha01: Better now?
Jan 28 14:20:54 <t5vaha01> X-Fade Yes, thanks, bye
Jan 28 14:23:01 * Stskeeps tries to eat his own dogfood with latest mer image
Jan 28 14:27:29 <sisto> i'm a little confused about what the different version names are right now...
Jan 28 14:27:31 <sisto> is diablo = os2008 and chinook = os2007?
Jan 28 14:27:53 <dob> sisto: http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames
Jan 28 14:28:12 <sisto> dob: thx will check that out
Jan 28 14:29:01 <pyfg> i have jaunty with gdm on n800. when I launch it from chroot (typing over ssh) everything works fine but the mouse is off a bit so i can't hit the panel. i would run tscalibrate but it says it can't open display.
Jan 28 14:29:03 <RST38h> Firefox Mobile 'Fennec' is on its way to an early February release for the Windows Mobile-powered HTC Touch Pro, according to a post on the project's developer wiki.
Jan 28 14:29:20 <pyfg> i have exported DISPLAY=:0.0 but it doesn't help
Jan 28 14:30:07 <sisto> dob: does the n810 come with diablo right now?
Jan 28 14:30:38 <pyfg> anyone can tell what's the next step to do?
Jan 28 14:31:22 <dob> sisto: I think so
Jan 28 14:31:49 <Stskeeps> pyfg: make sure you don't have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed
Jan 28 14:32:08 <pyfg> so not with that tslib thingy?
Jan 28 14:32:21 <Stskeeps> tslib is fine, synaptics just tries to do what tslib does, but fucks up miserably
Jan 28 14:32:29 <Stskeeps> it thinks the touchscreen is a synaptics touchpad
Jan 28 14:32:43 <pyfg> ok missed don't for do
Jan 28 14:32:59 <Stskeeps> (also delete xserver-xorg-input-all)
Jan 28 14:33:03 <pyfg> i'll check
Jan 28 14:33:11 <pyfg> thanks
Jan 28 14:35:57 <Zic> Are they some guys who own an Internet Tablet of Nokia *and* an OpenMoko phone? What do you do with both of them?
Jan 28 14:38:45 * RST38h blushes
Jan 28 14:39:55 <sisto> RST38h: there's no shame in that
Jan 28 14:39:59 <sisto> :)
Jan 28 14:40:41 <Stskeeps> oh, neat, it says "Please wait" while generating ssh keys O_o
Jan 28 14:43:07 <lardman> re
Jan 28 14:43:12 <Stskeeps> wb
Jan 28 14:43:14 <lardman> so what does NM stand for?
Jan 28 14:43:24 <Stskeeps> network-manager
Jan 28 14:43:33 <lardman> the Python job?
Jan 28 14:43:38 <Stskeeps> nah
Jan 28 14:43:41 <Stskeeps> you know, the devilish thing ubuntu has
Jan 28 14:43:49 * rm_you likes NM
Jan 28 14:43:51 <lardman> hmm, never used it
Jan 28 14:43:57 <rm_you> debian uses it too now BTW
Jan 28 14:44:20 <lardman> Actually I probably did use it once, then left it alone as it's a static ip
Jan 28 14:44:40 <rm_you> ack gotta shower and run, bbl
Jan 28 14:44:47 <lardman> bye rm_you
Jan 28 14:45:00 <rm_you> heh
Jan 28 14:45:04 * rm_you waves at lardman 
Jan 28 14:45:31 * b-man is curious to see what happens if he installs first-boot-wizard in ubuntu
Jan 28 14:45:39 <Stskeeps> b-man: horror, probably
Jan 28 14:45:46 <b-man> hehe
Jan 28 14:45:50 <lardman> closely followed by death and destruction
Jan 28 14:45:58 <b-man> lol
Jan 28 14:46:21 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: current image, HAM, works after a while (it needs some time to catch up the repositories it seems), but installing just says "Connecting.."
Jan 28 14:48:44 <lardman> So can I install something like hildon-status-bar-battery?
Jan 28 14:49:00 <Stskeeps> yeah, we need hald-addon-bme from nokia :)
Jan 28 14:49:10 <b-man> Stskeeps: i'm pritty shure that if i install it, it would probibly never launch or it would error out since it uses some things from maemo-launcher :P
Jan 28 14:49:13 <lardman> ah, so that's why it doesn't come pre-installed>?
Jan 28 14:49:29 <Stskeeps> lardman: correct, and the fact that advanced-power kills hildon when plugging in charger (.. not sure why)
Jan 28 14:49:48 <lardman> does advanced-power come installed?
Jan 28 14:50:00 <Stskeeps> no, is installable but requires hald-addon-bme
Jan 28 14:50:06 <Stskeeps> you can add it through adding the updates repository from nokia
Jan 28 14:50:48 <lardman> would it be worth including a menu icon to install these things with the image?
Jan 28 14:51:01 <lardman> as otherwise people won't really be able to use Mer
Jan 28 14:51:05 <Stskeeps> mmm. it's a bit borderline if we want cooperation from nokia
Jan 28 14:51:19 <Stskeeps> (which is the reason why i didn't do like i did in deblet)
Jan 28 14:51:28 <lardman> well not really, the user clicks on the icon, it gives them the blurb, it installs from the repo
Jan 28 14:51:35 <X-Fade> lardman: This is what Quim is talking to the legal guys about.
Jan 28 14:51:51 <Stskeeps> lardman: also there's some bad sideeffects to adding repository, so :P
Jan 28 14:52:01 <lardman> X-Fade: I thought he was asking about including the binaries in the image, not including a link to the binaries so the user can install them?
Jan 28 14:52:14 <X-Fade> lardman: Well, basically the same thing :)
Jan 28 14:52:25 <lardman> Stskeeps: ah, ok, well in that case a script to the files themselves
Jan 28 14:52:28 <X-Fade> If we get the go-ahead that should not be a problem.
Jan 28 14:52:30 <lardman> X-Fade: hmm
Jan 28 14:52:32 <Stskeeps> lardman: i'm just trying to do things by the book right now so
Jan 28 14:52:37 <lardman> X-Fade: I don't see the two as being the same
Jan 28 14:53:00 <X-Fade> lardman: No but if you get rights to distribute, then the upgrade thing doesn't matter ;)
Jan 28 14:53:02 <Stskeeps> to encourage a good relationship with this stuff, we're sending off a bad signal if we're making scripts to download nokia stuff :P
Jan 28 14:53:02 <lardman> Stskeeps: do you have a list of the things you recommend installuing to get a useful system?
Jan 28 14:53:16 <lardman> X-Fade: of course
Jan 28 14:53:48 <X-Fade> lardman: And last post from Quim seemed to suggest that it is not far away anymore.
Jan 28 14:53:55 <Stskeeps> lardman: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist
Jan 28 14:54:23 <Stskeeps> where the green ones are HW interfacing parts
Jan 28 14:55:04 <lardman> ok
Jan 28 14:56:39 <b-man> Stskeeps: btw, i've noticed merinstaller is in the red, don't worrie, i'll be making some more versions within a day or so, if not sometime today ;)
Jan 28 14:58:11 <Stskeeps> b-man: ah, it's for me, so i can package it up and put in extras-devel
Jan 28 14:58:35 <b-man> oh
Jan 28 15:02:44 <lardman> so lots of those components are in the initfs anyway, so not a major issue for the time being
Jan 28 15:02:59 <lardman> lack of DSP stuff is the blocker on audio out?
Jan 28 15:03:31 <Stskeeps> think so
Jan 28 15:03:37 <Stskeeps> people had it working on deblet so
Jan 28 15:03:41 <Stskeeps> with that package
Jan 28 15:03:48 <lardman> I was going to patch the kernel and see if we can get arm-side audio
Jan 28 15:03:54 <Stskeeps> also possible
Jan 28 15:04:12 <lardman> and probably what we want, to stay inline with Fremantle
Jan 28 15:08:42 <tekonivel> i was here a few days ago, pondering if maemo got any more usable (esp. the  browser) since the last time i checked, about ½ year ago
Jan 28 15:09:16 <Stskeeps> there's always webkit engine for it now too
Jan 28 15:09:27 <tekonivel> so i updated my n800 and installed some apps. and yeah, it's much better now. i'm postponing purchasing a minilaptop (asus eee 901+3g)
Jan 28 15:09:59 * Stskeeps wouldn't want a minilaptop. minilaptops are difficult to use in public transportation
Jan 28 15:10:02 * tekonivel wishes labyrinth (mindmapping on maemo) would work
Jan 28 15:10:27 <tekonivel> Stskeeps: normal laptops are worse :\
Jan 28 15:10:50 <Stskeeps> that's java though? labyrinth, that is
Jan 28 15:10:53 <X-Fade> tekonivel: http://labyrinth.garage.maemo.org/
Jan 28 15:10:58 <X-Fade> tekonivel: That one?
Jan 28 15:11:02 <tekonivel> X-Fade: yeah
Jan 28 15:11:24 <Stskeeps> tekonivel: it should work then :P i saw it in extras
Jan 28 15:11:45 * RST38h seconds Sts
Jan 28 15:12:41 <tekonivel> i need to figure this out
Jan 28 15:13:12 <Stskeeps> ~extras
Jan 28 15:13:13 <infobot> somebody said extras was http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Jan 28 15:14:09 <tekonivel> i fail to invoke the virtual keyboard with labyrinth
Jan 28 15:14:26 <Stskeeps> weird, if it's pygtk
Jan 28 15:14:36 <tekonivel> maybe inserting txt only works with the hardware kbd of n810
Jan 28 15:20:41 <Stskeeps> afternoon qwerty12
Jan 28 15:20:46 <qwerty12> hey Stskeeps
Jan 28 15:21:07 <tekonivel> pressing the "ok" -hardware button (in the middle of the 4axis thing) gives me a newline, verifying that i'm entering text. i guess the virtual keyboard just fails to get invoked
Jan 28 15:21:18 <tekonivel> oh well, i better make a bugreport to the porter
Jan 28 15:21:36 <Stskeeps> should be trivial to send a message to HIM to pop up :)
Jan 28 15:25:38 <tekonivel> aha, missing vkbd is a known bug, rated at high priority. i'll wait
Jan 28 15:25:40 <tekonivel> https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=2727
Jan 28 15:28:56 <johnx> m00f
Jan 28 15:29:13 <qwerty12> hi johnx
Jan 28 15:29:41 <johnx> hey qwerty12
Jan 28 15:30:16 * johnx is glad he finally got that script sorted
Jan 28 15:30:30 <aquatix> johnx: you can just do !sort in vim ;)
Jan 28 15:30:58 <johnx> aquatix, could have told me last night :P I had to alphabetize all the lines by hand
Jan 28 15:31:14 <qwerty12> Ooer :/
Jan 28 15:31:17 <aquatix> sorry, i wasn't here :)
Jan 28 15:32:06 <tekonivel> johnx: ouch!
Jan 28 15:32:33 <johnx> heh
Jan 28 15:32:57 <qwerty12> ~curse uimanager & key-press events
Jan 28 15:32:58 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, uimanager & key-press events !
Jan 28 15:33:01 <johnx> yeah, the script was ugly all sorts of weird commands and stuff and none of it was alphabetized! no wonder it was so slow :)
Jan 28 15:33:31 <aquatix> maybe an index would've helped too
Jan 28 15:36:30 <johnx> Jaffa, couldn't get it to run
Jan 28 15:38:08 <Stskeeps> johnx: weird question, did the first-boot-wizard ask me for username?
Jan 28 15:38:25 <johnx> yeah, should have
Jan 28 15:38:26 <johnx> why?
Jan 28 15:39:06 <Stskeeps> i must have pressed ok without seeing it conciously :)
Jan 28 15:39:21 <johnx> ah, yeah
Jan 28 15:39:31 <johnx> automagically takes your first name to fill in the blank
Jan 28 15:39:36 <Stskeeps> besides that, looks bloody good :)
Jan 28 15:39:40 <johnx> woo!
Jan 28 15:40:05 <johnx> man, i made the dumbest scripting mistake and it took me waaay too long to track it down in my sleep deprived state
Jan 28 15:41:05 <johnx> remember the startup line for matchbox wm? Meiz said to just pull the option for dialog placement ... so I stuck a # in front of that line and never thought about it again. see where I'm going? :)
Jan 28 15:41:17 <Stskeeps> ah.
Jan 28 15:41:33 <Stskeeps> it places it nicely in the bottom now too
Jan 28 15:41:38 <Stskeeps> but
Jan 28 15:41:42 <Stskeeps> johnx: no wallpaper showed
Jan 28 15:41:52 <johnx> someone moved the background! :P
Jan 28 15:42:02 <Stskeeps> i added background handling :P
Jan 28 15:42:02 <johnx> I asked but no one fessed up
Jan 28 15:42:03 <Stskeeps> sec
Jan 28 15:43:08 <Stskeeps> ok, my commit disappeared in the mist
Jan 28 15:43:28 <johnx> it happens. commits wander into the mist and never return </spooky voice>
Jan 28 15:45:10 <lcuk> ive not seen it here
Jan 28 15:45:23 <lcuk> (its very very foggy here in manchester right now)
Jan 28 15:46:30 <johnx> find ./mists 'Sts\' commit'
Jan 28 15:48:36 <Stskeeps> http://rafb.net/p/prBjIk84.html
Jan 28 15:50:46 <johnx> eep! did I accidentally revert something?
Jan 28 15:51:14 <Stskeeps> no clue, couldn't find it on LP either, so
Jan 28 15:51:17 <Stskeeps> just patch that eventually :)
Jan 28 15:51:40 <johnx> aaah background handling was taking from the default theme IIRC instead of somewhere else
Jan 28 15:51:57 <Stskeeps> i made a patch to grab it from the desktop file so
Jan 28 15:52:01 <johnx> anyways, I'll add that to my todo and get it in tomorrow
Jan 28 15:52:05 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 28 15:52:16 <johnx> about to get some sleep tonight
Jan 28 15:52:18 <Stskeeps> i'm largely inactive today too so
Jan 28 15:52:35 <johnx> slept like 4 hours in the last 40
Jan 28 15:52:42 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 28 15:52:48 <Stskeeps> get some well deserved sleep then
Jan 28 15:53:21 <johnx> heh...also. did f-b-w find swap for you? or do you not use swap?
Jan 28 15:57:11 <r2d2rogers> johnx: it found my swap...
Jan 28 15:57:43 <johnx> originally it was supposed to give you a choice...but somehow saying no isn't an option :)
Jan 28 15:58:15 <r2d2rogers> lol
Jan 28 16:01:42 <FunkyPenguin> could someone advise what provides pyversion in diablo?
Jan 28 16:02:20 <qwerty12> Nothing. Python is likely to be always "python2.5" in diablo.
Jan 28 16:03:00 <lardman> hey chaps, why are the dialogs so wide?
Jan 28 16:03:34 <FunkyPenguin> qwerty12: ok so to build a package using an ubuntu dsc i need to use python2.5 instead?
Jan 28 16:03:35 <johnx> lardman, I'm pretty sure that's an effect of changes Nokia made to matchbox wm 2
Jan 28 16:04:13 <qwerty12> FunkyPenguin, yeah, in your debian rules, just replace the python$(pyversion -something) equivalent with 2.5
Jan 28 16:04:24 <lardman> johnx: ok
Jan 28 16:04:32 <qwerty12> Or if it runs pyversions outright, just replace it with "python2.5"
Jan 28 16:04:36 <FunkyPenguin> qwerty12: thanks
Jan 28 16:04:49 <johnx> lardman, yeah, it looks pretty strange, but i think it does make things a little more thumb friendly
Jan 28 16:05:22 <lardman> the one bad looking bit is the notification messages
Jan 28 16:05:37 <lardman> bbiam
Jan 28 16:05:59 <johnx> I'm off to sleep actually. just popped by to make sure f-b-w was working right
Jan 28 16:06:57 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: without swap, does it boot up first time btw without swap (X+zenity)? if so, we could make the 770 image less partition layout dependant if so
Jan 28 16:07:42 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: it booted fine, ansd asked about the swap, but I don't know that the swap wasn't already enabled
Jan 28 16:07:51 <r2d2rogers> can check dmesg?
Jan 28 16:07:56 <r2d2rogers> still on that first boot right now
Jan 28 16:08:19 <johnx> it's been ok on a zaurus with 64MB of RAM. will be pretty tight until swap comes up, but not a big deal as long as it's done first thing
Jan 28 16:09:16 <johnx> r2d2rogers, yeah, dmesg will say when swap is added I believe
Jan 28 16:09:58 <qwerty12> cat /proc/swaps
Jan 28 16:10:07 <FunkyPenguin> qwerty12: um ok im slightly confused here, the dsc shows Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>= 5), python-central, python2.5, python2.5-setuptools
Jan 28 16:10:18 <johnx> qwerty12, but we're interested in *when* it came up :)
Jan 28 16:10:18 <qwerty12> FunkyPenguin, what package is this?
Jan 28 16:10:20 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: imager makes a fstab with swap in it
Jan 28 16:10:21 <r2d2rogers> johnx, Stskeeps: swap came up before the USB ethernet gadget
Jan 28 16:10:26 <qwerty12> johnx, ah, my bad. Sorry :)
Jan 28 16:10:41 <johnx> qwerty12, no problem :) just saying
Jan 28 16:10:41 <FunkyPenguin> qwerty12: trying to package gwibber on diablo
Jan 28 16:10:41 <r2d2rogers> so it was up Before the FBW
Jan 28 16:10:56 <FunkyPenguin> debian/rules has include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk
Jan 28 16:11:06 <qwerty12> eurgh. cdbs.
Jan 28 16:11:33 <r2d2rogers> I'm guessing it would be good without, but I can try again and check
Jan 28 16:12:13 <r2d2rogers> johnx: can I reset something to get the FBW again, or should I reimage?
Jan 28 16:12:23 <Stskeeps> rm /etc/default/autologin
Jan 28 16:12:27 <johnx> yup
Jan 28 16:12:29 <Stskeeps> and choose another username
Jan 28 16:12:29 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 28 16:12:35 <johnx> exactly
Jan 28 16:12:51 <johnx> also it will add swap to fstab again right now and make you some new ssh keys
Jan 28 16:13:19 * johnx wonders if he should think about the case where first-boot-wizard is run after first boot...
Jan 28 16:13:23 <r2d2rogers> tempted to use my other card
Jan 28 16:13:46 <qwerty12> FunkyPenguin, where's the source package from?
Jan 28 16:21:05 <lcuk> johnx, firstboot wizard is really "new user wizard" isnt it
Jan 28 16:21:30 <StsN800> also reegenerates ssh keys a
Jan 28 16:21:45 <qwerty12> lcuk, you could argue that it runs on the first boot...
Jan 28 16:22:39 <lcuk> i would argue that when you boot and detect no user then the wizard should run - whether it be first boot or not :P
Jan 28 16:23:01 * qwerty12 stands down :P
Jan 28 16:24:25 <lcuk> i like the pdf viewer doofer qwerty12, i took a glance, its in c++ :'(
Jan 28 16:25:13 <qwerty12> lcuk, heh, thanks anyway :). I'm more annoyed that it uses uimanager :)
Jan 28 16:28:48 <thopiekar> could someone please tell me how the email-engine in OS2008 is called?
Jan 28 16:28:55 <qwerty12> tinymail?
Jan 28 16:29:02 <thopiekar> is engine written right?
Jan 28 16:29:03 <qwerty12> Oh, how it's ran. sorry.
Jan 28 16:29:06 <thopiekar> no
Jan 28 16:29:33 <qwerty12> Hrm, if I understand you... The default email client in diablo (Modest) uses tinymail as its engine
Jan 28 16:29:39 <thopiekar> it was the additional email-client in chinook
Jan 28 16:29:41 <thopiekar> aah
Jan 28 16:29:42 <thopiekar> thanks
Jan 28 16:32:14 <FunkyPenguin> qwerty12: the source and everything is taken from https://launchpad.net/~gwibber-team/+archive
Jan 28 16:43:56 <zenvoid> I'm making some sounds
Jan 28 16:44:14 <zenvoid> for the user interface, I mean :D
Jan 28 16:45:23 <zenvoid> any Mer developer want to test the sounds???
Jan 28 16:47:32 <zenvoid> there is no need to use non-commercial sounds, they are really easy to create from scratch
Jan 28 16:47:50 <StsN800> sure:)
Jan 28 16:48:15 <StsN800> we can even have different sound themes
Jan 28 16:48:34 <zenvoid> I'm creating some beeps, noises, etc... some of them will fit to the UI sounds, and other will not
Jan 28 16:49:01 <zenvoid> different sound themes is a good idea
Jan 28 16:49:20 <StsN800> hehe, will take a while before we can truely enjoy it as part of mer
Jan 28 16:49:31 <zenvoid> for now I just creating something without a particular meaning.. just bettar than no sounds ;-)
Jan 28 16:50:06 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 28 16:51:40 <zenvoid> I copied the new startup theme to my tablet... rebooting (hope it sounds OK)
Jan 28 16:52:26 <zenvoid> ohh!!! fine :-) I'm happy
Jan 28 16:52:48 <zenvoid> low volume, but it can be fixed :)
Jan 28 16:53:00 <zenvoid> http://zenvoid.org/tmp/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav
Jan 28 16:53:37 <zenvoid> there are some other sounds here:  http://zenvoid.org/tmp/sounds/
Jan 28 16:54:50 <StsN800> hehe, cool
Jan 28 16:55:08 <zenvoid> I don't know how to test ui-wrong_charger.wav, what should I plug there? :-)
Jan 28 16:55:35 <StsN800> a digital scream?
Jan 28 16:56:49 <lardman> heading home, bbl
Jan 28 16:56:51 <StsN800> oh, the test
Jan 28 16:57:16 <zenvoid> I'm thinking to publish them under this license: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
Jan 28 16:57:21 <zenvoid> "Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License"
Jan 28 16:57:24 <zenvoid> hahaha :D
Jan 28 16:57:36 <qwerty12> Haha, that guy is a master with LMOS :p
Jan 28 17:01:23 <StsN800> zenvoid, stuff like your sound abilities, wazds artwork and so on really confirms theres loads of untapped potential in maemo community
Jan 28 17:04:25 <zenvoid> oh, compared to create music that was easy, no special ability is required to play a chord in a synth
Jan 28 17:04:54 <zenvoid> btw, they are created with free softsynths
Jan 28 17:06:26 <zenvoid> as most propietary (sample based) synthesizers retain the copyright in the sounds created by the user (they are "derivated work" from their copyrighted samples, funny)
Jan 28 17:16:01 <brdusr> nabend
Jan 28 17:16:21 <qwerty12> hi to you too
Jan 28 17:17:01 <brdusr> @thopiekar thx für die hilfe im Forum ... habs geschafft ;-)
Jan 28 17:26:48 <timeless> is there a bug saying that file manager (in diablo) doesn't show how much space messages are taking up?
Jan 28 17:32:14 <thopiekar> brdusr: keine ursache aber ab jetzt englisch bitte ;)
Jan 28 17:32:45 <brdusr> oh ... ok :-)
Jan 28 17:33:05 <thopiekar> kein ding
Jan 28 17:33:38 <brdusr> is there any chance to recive radio (audio/vido) internet strams like nsv on the n810?
Jan 28 17:36:07 <brdusr> NSV Videostream 500kBit/s any Player installed on Meamo that can handle that?
Jan 28 17:44:56 <Khertan_n810> Hello !
Jan 28 17:45:18 <Khertan_n810> Train driver is in strike again
Jan 28 17:45:20 <Khertan_n810> pffff
Jan 28 17:45:47 <Khertan_n810> if you go to france never rely on train !
Jan 28 17:46:14 <bilboed-pi> it will get you to the border at least :)
Jan 28 17:47:08 <Khertan_n810> 1 hour of late
Jan 28 17:47:58 <Khertan_n810> and the strike is for tomorrow
Jan 28 18:06:17 <brdusr> (18:59:27) brdusr: did you think now the n810 came with diablo update actually ???
Jan 28 18:11:35 <lardman> is solca about?
Jan 28 18:11:46 <qwerty12> ~seen solca
Jan 28 18:11:49 <infobot> solca <n=solca@solcadesk.galileo.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 20h 27m 32s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: good as the kernel stuff for NITs is being slowly eroding in latest kernels'.
Jan 28 18:12:18 * timelE61i pokes khertan_n810
Jan 28 18:13:31 <lardman> hmm, what is it with my connection?
Jan 28 18:13:48 <qwerty12> Your connection or router? :)
Jan 28 18:15:36 <timelE61i> qwerty: do you use modest?
Jan 28 18:15:44 <qwerty12> timelE61i, nope :)
Jan 28 18:18:29 <Proteous> qwerty11 was modest, qwerty12 is sort of a jerk
Jan 28 18:18:48 <qwerty12> lol :P
Jan 28 18:18:55 <Proteous> :P
Jan 28 18:20:42 <timelE61i> aNyone?
Jan 28 18:20:54 <lcuk> lol Proteous
Jan 28 18:29:53 <RST38h> ...[US Air Force] wants large artificial optically-correct diamonds for use as portholes through which to shoot electropulse microwave blaster cannons...
Jan 28 18:31:30 <lcuk> !!! RST38h
Jan 28 18:34:10 <Proteous> I want a diamond porthole
Jan 28 18:34:22 <lardman> hmm, am I actually connected?
Jan 28 18:34:31 <Proteous> and an electropulse microwave blaster cannon
Jan 28 18:34:35 <Proteous> yes
Jan 28 18:34:40 <lardman> thanks
Jan 28 18:34:40 <Proteous> I can seeeee youuuuu lardman
Jan 28 18:34:47 <Proteous> put on some cloths please
Jan 28 18:34:53 <lardman> ~lart my internet connection for being very very rubbish
Jan 28 18:34:53 * infobot cuts off my internet connection's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper for being very very rubbish
Jan 28 18:35:03 <lardman> Proteous: :p
Jan 28 18:35:37 <RST38h> ...said in an interview released by Austrian weekly Profil that drug money often became the only available capital when the crisis spiralled out of control last year...
Jan 28 18:35:50 <lardman> qwerty12_: you still here?
Jan 28 18:35:55 <qwerty12_> lardman, yep
Jan 28 18:36:24 <lardman> thanks for looking, sorry I didn't reply, my connection lagged out
Jan 28 18:36:44 <qwerty12_> Looking at what?
Jan 28 18:36:51 <lardman> ~seen solca
Jan 28 18:36:52 <qwerty12_> (if talking to me)
Jan 28 18:36:53 <infobot> solca <n=solca@solcadesk.galileo.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 20h 52m 36s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: good as the kernel stuff for NITs is being slowly eroding in latest kernels'.
Jan 28 18:36:59 <lardman> that
Jan 28 18:37:04 <qwerty12_> ah :)
Jan 28 18:37:10 <lardman> hmm, been gone a while
Jan 28 18:37:49 * lardman wonders if tlv320aic33 being eneabled and compiled in the diablo kernel .config means it's built into the kernel?
Jan 28 18:38:07 <r2d2rogers> StsN800: fail on imaging... docpurge fails looks like the card was remounted ro during the process
Jan 28 18:57:01 <lardman> when one compiles a kernel, debian-style, where does the .config live?
Jan 28 19:01:17 <lardman> hmm, no specific defconfig in the Fremantle kernel source for the n8x0 machines
Jan 28 19:02:17 <brdusr> maybe boot/config.26.27.**** ?
Jan 28 19:02:50 <lardman> I thought the .config was normally in the root dir
Jan 28 19:03:15 <lardman> and now that I say that, I see there is a defconfig for the n800 under debian/build/kernel/arch/arm/configs
Jan 28 19:03:37 <lardman> though I'm not sure if that's there by default, will have to clean it out
Jan 28 19:04:19 <des^> I wanted to install the python2.5 sdk dev environment but I alaways get a message that the package couldnt be found, anyone knows more about that?
Jan 28 19:04:48 <lardman> are you sure the name is correct?
Jan 28 19:05:22 * lardman notices that the n800 defconfig is for version 2.6.25-omap1 despite being in the 2.6.27 tarball
Jan 28 19:06:56 <des^> well I just did what was written on the nokia wiki thing for python
Jan 28 19:09:56 <lardman> ah, I see the defconfig is defined in debian/rules
Jan 28 20:11:51 <Stskeeps> lardman: solca's on #nitdroid
Jan 28 20:14:12 <r2d2rogers> StskeStsk Where should i put kernel modules ? I'm getting FATAL: Module not found when I try to use modprobe
Jan 28 20:14:24 * r2d2rogers hates lag
Jan 28 20:14:31 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: ^^^
Jan 28 20:15:28 <qwerty12_N800> modprobe doesn't work on tablets without some trickery. probably easier to use insmod for time being
Jan 28 20:16:28 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: lib/modules/kernelversion i think
Jan 28 20:16:36 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: if it's mer, modprobe does
Jan 28 20:16:39 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: and then depmod -a
Jan 28 20:17:02 <GeneralAntilles> Why are people still updating the itT wiki? :\
Jan 28 20:17:07 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, ah. Was thinking in terms of Maemo.
Jan 28 20:18:52 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: better, now it's FATAL: Error inserting cx3110x (/lib/modules/2.6.16.27-omap1/cx3110x.ko): No such device
Jan 28 20:19:56 <r2d2rogers> modprobe umac was a bad idea <G>
Jan 28 20:21:55 <r2d2rogers> oops I forgot to copy over the firmware <G>
Jan 28 20:25:54 * RST38h yawns
Jan 28 20:26:20 <RST38h> General:Why, they want to drive you mad of course! B)
Jan 28 20:36:41 <wazd> em
Jan 28 20:36:47 <brdusr> how i can make amazon faster to get my n810 NOW? :-(
Jan 28 20:36:51 <wazd> who has deleted my community page?
Jan 28 20:36:56 <wazd> hey everybody
Jan 28 20:37:06 <brdusr> oO
Jan 28 20:37:06 <qwerty12_N800> hi wazd
Jan 28 20:37:06 <timelE61i> hEy
Jan 28 20:38:26 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: wifi-radar shows me ssids <G>
Jan 28 20:38:40 <wazd> ah, no, it's ok)
Jan 28 20:39:16 <wazd> funny that Wiki address is case sensitive )
Jan 28 20:40:01 <wazd> nice door for phishing
Jan 28 20:40:07 <Lamo> no fm radio on the n810?
Jan 28 20:40:19 <qwerty12_N800> no, n800 only
Jan 28 20:40:27 <timelE61i> correct
Jan 28 20:40:40 <brdusr> narf
Jan 28 20:40:46 <brdusr> thats bad
Jan 28 20:41:02 <timelE61i> M
Jan 28 20:41:23 <timelE61i> Maybd
Jan 28 20:42:10 <timelE61i> Maybe you could buy an official nokia usb fmradio extension
Jan 28 20:42:15 <timelE61i> :)
Jan 28 20:42:50 <brdusr> *g* ok
Jan 28 20:43:19 <GeneralAntilles> brdusr, the next tablet has FM.
Jan 28 20:44:30 <brdusr> and the next tablet is comming out ???????? and it calls 830 or 900 ????????? :-)
Jan 28 20:46:10 <Meiz_n810> FM-radio is useless feature ...
Jan 28 20:46:34 <glass> not to many. but as afeature it costs about nothing to add
Jan 28 20:47:02 <GeneralAntilles> brdusr, it's not been announced yet.
Jan 28 20:47:11 <GeneralAntilles> The model code is RX-51
Jan 28 20:47:16 <GeneralAntilles> Summer 2009 is probably a safe bet.
Jan 28 20:47:34 <brdusr> :-D Thank You
Jan 28 20:47:45 <GeneralAntilles> ~rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html
Jan 28 20:47:46 <infobot> GeneralAntilles: okay
Jan 28 20:47:52 <GeneralAntilles> See those pages for more details.
Jan 28 20:49:57 <Lamo> ok heres one, how do you right click?
Jan 28 20:50:14 <Proteous> doulbe click and hold
Jan 28 20:50:24 * b-man is going crazy, dpkg-buildpackage refuses to build ubuntu-omap-fb-splash correctly, it keeps creating both 'mer-omap-fb-splash' and 'ubuntu-omap-fb-splash' in /debian and he doesn't have anything that specifies it to build mer-omap-fb-splash in /debian, so only half of the sorce actually gets packaged :P
Jan 28 20:51:11 <Lamo> proteous, thanks
Jan 28 20:52:35 <b-man> qwerty12_N800: have you ever had this problem with dpkg-dev?
Jan 28 20:55:01 <qwerty12_N800> if you can upload a tarball, I may be able to spot the problem. Kinda hard for me to say anything w/out me seeing anything.
Jan 28 20:55:07 <timelE61i> gan: fwiw model numbers are subject to change :)
Jan 28 20:55:43 <b-man> qwerty12_N800: thanks!
Jan 28 20:55:59 <timelE61i> b-man: dpkg-deB ?
Jan 28 20:56:17 <b-man> dpkg-dev
Jan 28 20:56:35 <b-man> witch has dpkg-buildpackage
Jan 28 20:56:56 <GeneralAntilles> timelE61i, well, it's what we've got to go on. . . .
Jan 28 20:57:13 <GeneralAntilles> timelE61i, and it's more likely than "N900" anyway.
Jan 28 20:59:32 <timelE61i> true
Jan 28 20:59:47 * timelE61i has no idea what it'll be called and doesn't care
Jan 28 21:00:22 * timelE61i pokes khertan
Jan 28 21:00:26 <GeneralAntilles> I'm pulling for "timeless's Folly". ;)
Jan 28 21:00:32 <b-man> qwerty12_N800: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/ubuntu-omap-fb-splash.tar.gz    ---fell free to take a look a look at the new splash btw ;)
Jan 28 21:00:42 <timelE61i> seems likely
Jan 28 21:01:23 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, hehe, so you want ubuntu-omap-fb-splash to be created?
Jan 28 21:02:53 <b-man> yes, but it keeps trying to build mer-omap-fb-splash at the same time for some strange reason and ends up not packaging the deb correctly
Jan 28 21:03:25 <lardman_> hmm, Fremantle code doens't compile well for the n800
Jan 28 21:03:30 <lardman_> two patches needed so far
Jan 28 21:03:34 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, k
Jan 28 21:03:43 <lardman_> s/code/kernel code
Jan 28 21:04:09 <qwerty12_N800> lardman_, heh, and i was about to say 'newer glib for one' :)
Jan 28 21:04:43 <lardman_> what's the deal with kernel modules? replace the ones in the initfs?
Jan 28 21:05:34 <qwerty12_N800> if replacing one already there, then i'd say yeah (backing up of course)
Jan 28 21:05:37 <lardman_> what glibc is Mer using?
Jan 28 21:05:48 <lardman_> qwerty12_N800: I was going to try a later kernel version
Jan 28 21:05:52 <samppa_> what is Mer ?
Jan 28 21:05:56 <lardman_> ~mer
Jan 28 21:05:57 <infobot> rumour has it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
Jan 28 21:06:43 <b-man> infobot: blow up
Jan 28 21:06:44 * infobot blows up
Jan 28 21:06:50 <samppa_> hehe
Jan 28 21:06:57 <b-man> XD
Jan 28 21:07:27 <samppa_> mer like in swedish it means "more" :D
Jan 28 21:08:41 <GeneralAntilles> Mer has so many appropriate translations.
Jan 28 21:08:47 <GeneralAntilles> A well-picked name. . . .
Jan 28 21:09:04 <samppa_> i guess so :)
Jan 28 21:09:20 <samppa_> but is there a future for mer.. ?
Jan 28 21:09:41 <qwerty12_N800> on n8x0, Mer is the future :p
Jan 28 21:09:45 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 28 21:09:54 <samppa_> hah ok :)
Jan 28 21:10:16 <samppa_> waste yard is a future for mine n8xx series
Jan 28 21:11:19 <lardman_> ~lart ff for locking up
Jan 28 21:11:19 * infobot overclocks ff until ff burns out for locking up
Jan 28 21:11:37 <b-man> ~ burn infobot
Jan 28 21:11:37 * infobot pours gasoline all over infobot, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
Jan 28 21:11:41 <lardman_> anyone running Mer atm? what version of glibc are you using?
Jan 28 21:11:45 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, http://pastebin.com/d51647cc3
Jan 28 21:12:25 <qwerty12_N800> lardman_, 2.9-0ubuntu9
Jan 28 21:12:36 <lardman_> 2.9! wow
Jan 28 21:15:36 <b-man> qwerty12_N800: hmm
Jan 28 21:15:38 * lardman_ downloads the Mer SDK stuff
Jan 28 21:15:50 * lardman_ changes his name too
Jan 28 21:20:37 <b-man> qwerty12_N800: that's the problem that i keep incountering but i'm not shure how to fix that - /debian/rules empty :(
Jan 28 21:20:40 <des^> is anyone using pluthon here?
Jan 28 21:22:23 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, same package?
Jan 28 21:29:59 <b-man> qwerty12_N800: yes, i made shure all of the files in /debian were updated to the new package name, and i created a new changelog
Jan 28 21:30:36 <brdusr> what kind of kernel use maemo?
Jan 28 21:30:46 <lcuk> a linux one
Jan 28 21:31:29 * b-man basicly re-built the sorce package allmost from scratch
Jan 28 21:33:11 <des^> is there a standard password for n810?
Jan 28 21:33:20 <b-man> no
Jan 28 21:34:02 <b-man> you need to make one using passwd
Jan 28 21:34:28 <lcuk> brdusr, 2.6.21
Jan 28 21:34:49 <brdusr> thx lcuk :-D
Jan 28 21:38:33 <StOrM_NW> anyone know what i have to do to bring usb0 on ubuntu host to get connect with the n810 using the usb cable
Jan 28 21:38:36 <StOrM_NW> i m using ubuntu 8.10
Jan 28 21:38:51 <StOrM_NW> any advice really appreciate
Jan 28 21:40:21 <b-man> qwerty12_N800: have you had any success with the package?
Jan 28 21:41:01 <qwerty12_N800> b-man, it built fine after doing that change I put in that patch which I put on pastebin
Jan 28 21:42:54 <lcuk> lardman, its your daily walk http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/16/Funny_Pictures_473.htm
Jan 28 21:45:09 <b-man> qwerty12_N800: did you apply that to makefile or rules?
Jan 28 21:45:26 <qwerty12_N800> rules, as said in the first 2 lines
Jan 28 21:45:37 <b-man> oh :P
Jan 28 21:47:56 <StOrM_NW> which usb mode is this (a_wait_bcon) that i m seeing when i cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode?
Jan 28 21:48:42 * b-man leaves to shovel snow - bye
Jan 28 21:52:08 <brdusr> is Maemo a DEB or RPG Linux ? sorry for this question cause i read different thinx in the rumours on the www
Jan 28 21:52:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's Debian-based.
Jan 28 21:54:11 <qgil> hi there
Jan 28 21:54:48 <brdusr> thx :-)
Jan 28 21:54:51 <qgil> http://twit.tv/FLOSS if you are interested
Jan 28 21:55:04 <qgil> I'm getting interviewed in few minutes, there is chat room and what not
Jan 28 21:55:20 <qgil> need to go now there, disconnecting here
Jan 28 21:55:25 <qgil> bye!
Jan 28 21:55:50 <qgil> ACTUALLY: http://live.twit.tv/
Jan 28 21:57:06 <r2d2rogers> ifconfig
Jan 28 21:58:38 <timelE61i> hi qgil
Jan 28 22:07:23 <GeneralAntilles> I can't figure out how to get an account to chat. <_<
Jan 28 22:07:33 <timeless> did you click in the bottom area?
Jan 28 22:07:43 <timeless> where it says click here to enter chat
Jan 28 22:07:51 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, gives me a login window
Jan 28 22:07:54 <GeneralAntilles> But no way to create an account
Jan 28 22:08:07 <GeneralAntilles> Also can't get the weird Google Calenda sidebar that's overlapping the video to go away. :\
Jan 28 22:09:17 <timeless> try entering a random password?
Jan 28 22:09:32 <timeless> oh
Jan 28 22:09:38 <timeless> you need a stickam account
Jan 28 22:09:43 <timeless> look below the applet
Jan 28 22:10:04 <timeless> there's also a lighter client
Jan 28 22:10:21 <timeless> http://twit.am/listen
Jan 28 22:10:35 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, I see.
Jan 28 22:10:36 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks
Jan 28 22:11:47 <des^> andyone got experience with pluthon?
Jan 28 22:12:05 <GeneralAntilles> Leo's gotten fat.
Jan 28 22:14:54 <GeneralAntilles> I'm failing at the internet today
Jan 28 22:17:32 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: working wifi, I think, using wicd, but I don't have an unsecure AP to try
Jan 28 22:19:00 <GeneralAntilles> LCARS!
Jan 28 22:19:04 <timeless> cute start screen
Jan 28 22:19:07 <timeless> lcars
Jan 28 22:19:11 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 28 22:19:14 <GeneralAntilles> Too bad Ian isn't here.
Jan 28 22:19:36 <timeless> i presume the stream is archived
Jan 28 22:19:46 <timeless> is that rss feed reader?
Jan 28 22:19:53 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jan 28 22:20:16 <brdusr> can we see this in the web? this startscreen?
Jan 28 22:20:26 <timeless> maps?
Jan 28 22:20:40 <GeneralAntilles> From http://live.twit.tv/ http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD
Jan 28 22:20:41 <timeless> brdusr: i believe you can get it from the lcars deb
Jan 28 22:20:44 <GeneralAntilles> "Map"
Jan 28 22:20:54 <timeless> yeah yeah
Jan 28 22:21:07 <timeless> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/thememaker/www/Themes_files/LCARS_PADD.jpg
Jan 28 22:21:23 <timeless> the start screen basically looked like the blue thing on the bottom right of the picutre
Jan 28 22:22:04 <brdusr> great links ... thank you guys :-D
Jan 28 22:22:52 <brdusr> you know i ordered my 810 yesterday at amazon ... and now i`m waiting and search for some infos
Jan 28 22:23:22 <jagernot> brdusr
Jan 28 22:23:31 <brdusr> yes?
Jan 28 22:23:33 <jagernot> try my app when u get it : http://www.poojyum.com/boxar :D
Jan 28 22:25:03 <brdusr> hahaha thats awesome :-D thanks for the url ... i will try it shure :-D
Jan 28 22:26:12 <brdusr> *bookmarket
Jan 28 22:26:21 <jagernot> good
Jan 28 22:26:45 <jagernot> who else hasnt tried it. pls lift my download count :D
Jan 28 22:26:55 <jagernot> boxar is a musical instrument for maemo
Jan 28 22:28:00 <brdusr> watching this stunning youtube clip about it .... absolutly great !!! i cant wait to test it :-D
Jan 28 22:28:45 <brdusr> oO
Jan 28 22:29:40 <timeless> "File already saved in this location"
Jan 28 22:29:42 <Guest23972> oO
Jan 28 22:29:42 <Guest23972> /nick brdusr
Jan 28 22:29:43 * timeless ponders
Jan 28 22:29:48 <Guest23972> oo
Jan 28 22:29:49 <lcuk> twit are comparing iphone and 800 :'( get liqbase on it \o/
Jan 28 22:30:44 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, hehe.
Jan 28 22:36:34 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, thats os2007 isnt it
Jan 28 22:36:39 <GeneralAntilles> No
Jan 28 22:36:44 <GeneralAntilles> That's OS2008 with LCARS
Jan 28 22:36:45 <lcuk> mmm small menus
Jan 28 22:36:48 <lcuk> i know its lcars
Jan 28 22:36:55 <timeless> gan?
Jan 28 22:37:07 <lcuk> hes crashed the browser
Jan 28 22:37:09 <timeless> lcuk: it's definitely 2008
Jan 28 22:37:12 <timeless> oops
Jan 28 22:37:16 <lcuk> lol
Jan 28 22:37:18 * timeless was opening sketch
Jan 28 22:37:25 <timeless> lcuk: when he opened the app menu
Jan 28 22:37:26 <Guest23972> how to copy firefox bookmarks on the 850 ??? any tools or apps for this job ?
Jan 28 22:37:28 <timeless> it was the two col form
Jan 28 22:37:35 <timeless> 850?
Jan 28 22:37:42 <timeless> bookmarks has an import feature
Jan 28 22:37:45 <Guest23972> oh sorry *ggg* 810 i mena
Jan 28 22:38:03 <timeless> firefox has an export feature (if it's new enough to use sqlite)
Jan 28 22:38:08 <timeless> the output is an html file
Jan 28 22:38:27 <Guest23972> yes this html file i have :-)
Jan 28 22:38:37 <timeless> the n810's bookmarks app has a menu item which lets you import that html file
Jan 28 22:39:22 <timeless> lol
Jan 28 22:39:38 <timeless> err, did he quit the browser?
Jan 28 22:39:44 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Jan 28 22:39:49 <GeneralAntilles> DSME spazzed
Jan 28 22:39:52 <lcuk> hes completely crashed it
Jan 28 22:39:52 <timeless> hrm, where did that charging picture come from?
Jan 28 22:40:00 <GeneralAntilles> He shut it down
Jan 28 22:40:02 <lcuk> he reset it but it wouldnt go :D
Jan 28 22:40:08 <timeless> heh
Jan 28 22:40:09 <GeneralAntilles> But the webcam triggered internet call.
Jan 28 22:40:10 <lcuk> ive said this happens
Jan 28 22:40:11 <Guest23972> thats good to know .... thank you
Jan 28 22:40:13 <Guest23972> :-D
Jan 28 22:40:24 <lcuk> apps run when its meant to be in ring0 or whatever it is
Jan 28 22:40:24 <Guest23972> uhhh
Jan 28 22:40:27 <timeless> webcam normally triggers internet call
Jan 28 22:40:56 <LinuxHack3r> I'm trying to figure this thing out. I installed bash2, from the repos...but it's odd. I cannot get it to work correctly and run a bash script.
Jan 28 22:43:03 <timeless> what dialog is that?
Jan 28 22:43:14 <timeless> is that a contacts wizard?
Jan 28 22:45:20 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jan 28 22:45:48 <timeless> gan: so...
Jan 28 22:45:51 <timeless> can you open sketch?
Jan 28 22:46:15 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, yes.
Jan 28 22:46:21 * Jaffa hmms at http://maemo.org/news/jobs/1233150339/
Jan 28 22:46:23 <Jaffa> I could do that.
Jan 28 22:46:28 <timeless> draw a curve, app menu>sketch>save
Jan 28 22:46:34 <timeless> give it a name, tap ok
Jan 28 22:46:41 <timeless> app menu>sketch>save
Jan 28 22:46:42 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, don't let the machine eat you. :P
Jan 28 22:46:54 * Jaffa wants new hardware :)
Jan 28 22:47:09 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, think of the NDAs. ;)
Jan 28 22:47:13 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, ok.
Jan 28 22:47:17 <Jaffa> Admittedly, it's not my job I'm right really pissed off with at this very second.
Jan 28 22:47:18 <lcuk> did quim just say "windows me"?
Jan 28 22:47:53 * RST38h wonders if he should jump the ship
Jan 28 22:48:23 <LinuxHack3r> I have a script designed to automatically determine my home IP and ssh into it...if I give it the password that is. It is stored in /home/user/Data/Scripts/Connect I cd'd to /usr/loca/bin/, and the ln -s to the connect script. If I manually run bash /path to script, it works, but I want to be able to type "Connect" from any directory and it run the script...that is how I do it on my linux machines...
Jan 28 22:48:50 <Jaffa> LinuxHack3r: You need to make sure /usr/local/bin is on PATH.
Jan 28 22:49:13 <timeless> gan: thoughts on the info note?
Jan 28 22:49:15 * timeless doesn't like it
Jan 28 22:49:19 <GeneralAntilles> Saved?
Jan 28 22:49:20 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid
Jan 28 22:49:22 <GeneralAntilles> Should go.
Jan 28 22:49:25 <LinuxHack3r> Jaffa: That is probably my problem...but I do not understand...how do I do that?
Jan 28 22:49:30 <timeless> i don't think i can delete info notes
Jan 28 22:49:31 <LinuxHack3r> on PATH?
Jan 28 22:49:31 <GeneralAntilles> All lame, unnecessary banners should die horribly. ;)
Jan 28 22:49:45 <timeless> the one that's bothering me is "File already saved in this location"
Jan 28 22:50:22 <Jaffa> LinuxHack3r: temporarily, if you did 'PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH' then it'd work.
Jan 28 22:50:28 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, yeah, that's pointless.
Jan 28 22:50:35 <Jaffa> LinuxHack3r: If you put that line into, say, /etc/profile it'd also work
Jan 28 22:50:36 <GeneralAntilles> I just want to make sure my latest changes are saved
Jan 28 22:50:38 <timeless> afaik, i can't simply delete the info banner
Jan 28 22:50:40 <GeneralAntilles> I don't care if they already are.
Jan 28 22:50:45 <timeless> suggestions for replacing the text?
Jan 28 22:50:52 <Jaffa> Get rid of it
Jan 28 22:50:58 <Jaffa> Notes does the same. Pisses me off.
Jan 28 22:50:58 <LinuxHack3r> Jaffa: So what is the exact line I'D ad to profile?
Jan 28 22:51:00 <timeless> i'm localizing diablo
Jan 28 22:51:27 <Jaffa> LinuxHack3r: 'PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH' (no quotes) and, for good measure - after it - 'export PATH'
Jan 28 22:51:31 * timeless rotf
Jan 28 22:51:33 * timeless cries
Jan 28 22:51:37 <Jaffa> The second should be unnecessary
Jan 28 22:51:38 <timeless> gan: so...
Jan 28 22:51:47 <timeless> after you've saved the file
Jan 28 22:51:53 <timeless> go to file manager and delete it
Jan 28 22:51:58 <timeless> then try to save it :)
Jan 28 22:52:01 <Jaffa> Ha
Jan 28 22:52:12 <Jaffa> Let me guess, it thinks you've not changed it so refuses to save and tells you off?
Jan 28 22:52:12 <timeless> anyone want to bet what it does before trying? :)
Jan 28 22:52:21 * timeless gives jaffa a prize
Jan 28 22:52:21 <LinuxHack3r> Jaffa: Is it just like the export path= line in profile?
Jan 28 22:53:00 <Jaffa> LinuxHack3r: it's case-sensitive, so needs to be 'PATH'. Is there a line already there?
Jan 28 22:53:05 * Jaffa sshes into his tablet to check
Jan 28 22:53:25 <LinuxHack3r> Jaffa: There is an export PATH='/USR/BIN:/BIN" LINE THERE...BUT I HAD CAPS LOCK ON ;(
Jan 28 22:53:49 <GeneralAntilles> timeless, lol . . .
Jan 28 22:53:50 <timeless> heh
Jan 28 22:53:50 <Jaffa> LinuxHack3r: OK, cool change: 'export PATH="/usr/bin:/bin"' to 'export PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin"' in /etc/profile
Jan 28 22:53:52 <lardman_> lcuk: re walk, no, we don't get snow in the South :p
Jan 28 22:53:59 <lcuk> lol
Jan 28 22:54:31 <LinuxHack3r> Jaffa: Ok....wish I could use nano on this thing.
Jan 28 22:54:31 <woglinde_> good nite
Jan 28 22:55:02 <Jaffa> timeless: is there any rational in any spec you have access to for justifying why it wouldn't just save it again over the top, rather than all this extra code to not save if there's no change (and show an infoprint)?
Jan 28 22:55:16 <timeless> um
Jan 28 22:55:24 <timeless> are you really going to make me open the spec?
Jan 28 22:55:25 <timeless> ok..
Jan 28 22:55:29 <Jaffa> s/rational/rationale
Jan 28 22:55:46 <Jaffa> timeless: If nothing else, it'd discourage me from ever contemplating working for Nokia ;-)
Jan 28 22:56:25 <RST38h> Jaffa: Ah, btw, I tried to make a runtime environment for running j2me apps on Maemo
Jan 28 22:56:57 <Jaffa> RST38h: are there any J2ME apps worth running? ;-)
Jan 28 22:57:08 <Jaffa> Maybe the Google Mail one, that's quite good (on a phone, at least)
Jan 28 22:57:17 <RST38h> Jaffa: Used Jalimo packages. It does include phoneme package which contains its own jvm (cvm) bound with the other j2me stuff. But it will not run without the API stuff and I could not find those
Jan 28 22:57:24 <RST38h> Jaffa: Opera is one everybody likes
Jan 28 22:57:36 <RST38h> Jaffa: then there is a bunch of games, some of them are even worth a look
Jan 28 22:57:56 <RST38h> Besides, I see no other use for Java than running j2me apps
Jan 28 22:58:12 <Jaffa> RST38h: ah, true. I've heard people raving about Opera Mobile; the capabilities of the games look interesting on the masses of locked demos I can't delete off my phone; but the controls suck
Jan 28 22:58:32 <RST38h> Jaffa: controls are usually ok for a phone
Jan 28 22:58:59 <RST38h> Anyways, I may try to do it one more time, this time installing whole classpath and binary tools
Jan 28 22:59:19 <lcuk> \o/ yayyyyyyyyyyy another summit on the roadmap
Jan 28 22:59:30 <RST38h> it is a lot of data though, not sure if I can do it with the remaining / space
Jan 28 23:00:23 * Jaffa notices that jaiku.com/channel/mer has gone quiet recently.
Jan 28 23:00:28 <Jaffa> lcuk: ?
Jan 28 23:00:39 <lcuk> http://live.twit.tv/
Jan 28 23:00:46 <lcuk> quim is just finishing on twit lol
Jan 28 23:00:46 <Guest23972> oO
Jan 28 23:01:04 <Jaffa> Oh, yeah - I saw his Facebook status and kinda went "hmm?"
Jan 28 23:01:24 <RST38h> mmm
Jan 28 23:01:29 <Jaffa> Someone at work suggested I get into following TWIT.
Jan 28 23:01:31 <lardman_> hmm, lots of OMAP3-isms in pm.c now
Jan 28 23:01:49 <timeless> ok, i broke my client
Jan 28 23:01:56 <RST38h> HE IS PULLING OUT AN N800!
Jan 28 23:02:16 <Jaffa> That video is really good quality.
Jan 28 23:02:17 <RST38h> Hasn't that been discontinued? =)
Jan 28 23:02:29 <mavhc> Jaffa: taking the 2 factors "people who know what they're talking about" and "people who know how to make radio shows", it's probably the best thing to listen to
Jan 28 23:02:32 <RST38h> yea...framerate is lagging a bit, but the picture is perfect
Jan 28 23:02:53 * RST38h has audio muted though :)
Jan 28 23:03:03 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Can you point out that in general, we prefer "Migh-moe"
Jan 28 23:03:22 <wazd> OMG)
Jan 28 23:03:26 <wazd> caps(
Jan 28 23:03:49 <mavhc> you can stream the audio version on your NIT too
Jan 28 23:03:50 <Jaffa> mavhc: I've not got a good workflow for podcasts. But I've got an always on PC so could do something with rsync and SSH to my tablet
Jan 28 23:03:54 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ta :)
Jan 28 23:03:58 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, I don't think they follow this chat. :\
Jan 28 23:04:02 <GeneralAntilles> There's a separate IRC channel, apparently.
Jan 28 23:04:07 <RST38h> Is that shitstream underneath a "discussion"? =)
Jan 28 23:04:10 <RST38h> heya, wazd
Jan 28 23:04:24 <Jaffa> Seems to be more of a "shoutbox" *cough*
Jan 28 23:04:41 <Jaffa> Oops. WiMAX. Yeeees
Jan 28 23:05:08 <RST38h> Jaffa: that is a really polite euphemism
Jan 28 23:05:18 <mavhc> the irc chat is where the intelligent people are
Jan 28 23:05:30 <GeneralAntilles> mavhc, evidently.
Jan 28 23:05:35 <GeneralAntilles> mavhc, I wish I had noticed earlier. :\
Jan 28 23:05:42 <lcuk> ahhhh internet calling works!
Jan 28 23:05:50 <wazd> omg they has LSCARS failure here))
Jan 28 23:05:54 <Lamo> trying  to find the repo list with no luck, /etc/apt/sources.list is blank?
Jan 28 23:06:14 <Lamo> trying to clean it up
Jan 28 23:06:16 <mavhc> but that's true in general, if you can't work irc I don't want to talk to you anyway
Jan 28 23:06:31 <GeneralAntilles> mavhc, I wish it were more obvious on the site.
Jan 28 23:06:40 <Jaffa> Can't find a reference to the IRC channel
Jan 28 23:06:42 <Lamo> but the app catalogue is unsearchable
Jan 28 23:07:07 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, "If you see me apparently talking to myself it's probably because I'm answering questions from our chat room. Point your browser or IRC client to irc.dslextreme.com - and /join #techguy to join the conversation!"
Jan 28 23:07:08 <Jaffa> "If you see me apparently talking to myself it's probably because I'm answering questions from our chat room. Point your browser or IRC client to irc.dslextreme.com - and /join #techguy to join the conversation!"
Jan 28 23:07:11 <GeneralAntilles> I googled twit.tv IRC
Jan 28 23:07:12 <GeneralAntilles> Haaa
Jan 28 23:07:18 * Jaffa dittos
Jan 28 23:07:29 <GeneralAntilles> Jinx! ;)
Jan 28 23:07:48 <mavhc> http://wiki.twit.tv/wiki/IRC_Chat you want #twitlive really
Jan 28 23:08:29 <wazd> RST38h: heya)
Jan 28 23:09:13 * lardman_ wonders what omap3_pm_off_mode_enable() does
Jan 28 23:09:40 <GeneralAntilles> The hyperspace engine?
Jan 28 23:09:49 <RST38h> lardman: enabled omap3 power management mode
Jan 28 23:10:04 <RST38h> lardman: actually, puts the tablet into off state, I guess
Jan 28 23:10:17 <lardman_> I also wonder what the equivalent for omap2 is
Jan 28 23:10:17 <mavhc> http://odtv.me/category/floss/ if you want to dl the video version, when it's up
Jan 28 23:10:31 <Jaffa> mavhc: ta
Jan 28 23:10:31 <LinuxHack3r> If someone is familiar with vim...how do I save it? I gotta learn vim...but right now all I want to do is save.
Jan 28 23:10:41 <Jaffa> LinuxHack3r: Press escape, :wq
Jan 28 23:10:45 <wazd> Oh, Quim will be next week
Jan 28 23:10:46 <Proteous> yeah, duh
Jan 28 23:11:04 <wazd> I thought today :(
Jan 28 23:11:05 <LinuxHack3r> Jaffa: :wq?
Jan 28 23:11:06 <RST38h> Lenux: :q!
Jan 28 23:11:16 <RST38h> Actually, :wq!
Jan 28 23:11:21 <Jaffa> LinuxHack3r: colon enters command mode, w writes, q quits
Jan 28 23:11:33 * lcuk closed the console last time he tried to use vim
Jan 28 23:11:39 <lardman_> or just a plain "ZZ"
Jan 28 23:11:42 <lardman_> then :q
Jan 28 23:11:54 <lardman_> assuming it's the same as vi
Jan 28 23:11:56 <Proteous> but watch out LinuxHack3r, colon also enteres you into confusions wtf how do I get out of this program mode
Jan 28 23:12:11 <lardman_> press esc until the screen flashes? ;)
Jan 28 23:12:22 <Jaffa> :)
Jan 28 23:12:46 <RST38h> Ok, I am going to say it
Jan 28 23:12:49 <mavhc> wazd: I thought it was live today, then put on the podcast in a few days time
Jan 28 23:12:52 <RST38h> Linux: Use PICO, stupid!
Jan 28 23:12:54 <RST38h> Here.
Jan 28 23:13:01 <lardman_> :D
Jan 28 23:13:06 * lcuk has done nothing tonight
Jan 28 23:14:08 <wazd> I'm really surprised that 1.2 Ghz VIA plays that stream flawlessly
Jan 28 23:14:11 <LinuxHack3r> Ok...none of this seems to be working...
Jan 28 23:14:34 <GeneralAntilles> wazd, better than a 1.2GHz Atom, arguably. ;)
Jan 28 23:14:53 * lcuk wonders what he would do with 1.2ghz
Jan 28 23:15:18 <RST38h> lcuk: make some bacon on it? =)
Jan 28 23:15:23 <lcuk> :D heh
Jan 28 23:15:28 <lcuk> i could cook some
Jan 28 23:15:35 <lcuk> with a mini frying pan over the cpu
Jan 28 23:15:43 <lcuk> excellent idea RST38h
Jan 28 23:15:50 <RST38h> wazd: framerate isn't that high, it is gated by the network
Jan 28 23:15:54 <mavhc> http://wiki.twit.tv/wiki/FLOSS_Weekly_54
Jan 28 23:15:55 <Hiisty> hello
Jan 28 23:16:17 <RST38h> wazd: but how about watching a 1024x768 Xvid-compressed video on it>
Jan 28 23:16:18 <RST38h> ?
Jan 28 23:16:28 <LinuxHack3r> Oh..I get it..sorta..you have to hit enter...just as if you were COMMANDING!
Jan 28 23:16:41 <RST38h> yes, you do have to hit enter!
Jan 28 23:16:43 <Hiisty> i'm thinking about buying n810, but i'm still suspicious, i haven't found any "killer" app for it
Jan 28 23:16:46 <RST38h> (or use PICO)
Jan 28 23:16:58 <RST38h> Hiisty: FBReader.
Jan 28 23:17:10 <Hiisty> anf i now have e90, which is really nice
Jan 28 23:17:14 <Hiisty> and*
Jan 28 23:17:26 <wazd> RST38h: Well, it played fine 1152x768 :)
Jan 28 23:17:28 <GeneralAntilles> Hiisty, VGBA, FBReader, Maemo Mapper, MicroB, Skype/Gizmo, Canola, Carman
Jan 28 23:17:34 <lcuk> Hiisty, inside app manager there is something called "how to murder your enemies"
Jan 28 23:17:35 <wazd> or 760
Jan 28 23:17:37 <GeneralAntilles> Hiisty, wait until buy.com has them back in the $200 range, though.
Jan 28 23:17:38 <mavhc> the killer app is linux
Jan 28 23:17:39 <wazd> something like this
Jan 28 23:17:41 <lcuk> i think that comes under "killer app"
Jan 28 23:17:48 <RST38h> wazd: woohoo!
Jan 28 23:18:03 <lardman_> so, presumably the omap3 now offers these clocks_off_while_idle_attr, enable_off_mode_attr and voltage_off_while_idle_attr in addition to the omap2's sleep_while_idle_attr
Jan 28 23:18:23 <RST38h> wazd: poor 2.4GHz P4 skips those like crazy
Jan 28 23:18:48 <LinuxHack3r> Thanks all.
Jan 28 23:18:54 <Hiisty> GeneralAntilles: here new costs 310e, but my friend will sell his for 250e
Jan 28 23:18:59 <Guest23972> no Problem *ggg*
Jan 28 23:19:01 <Guest23972> :-D
Jan 28 23:19:05 <LinuxHack3r> So..for the n810..does anyone know of an awesome case to use?
Jan 28 23:19:12 <Jaffa> Yay, vim_7.2-0maemo4 now in extras-devel with proper menu entry etc.
Jan 28 23:19:22 * RST38h uses BoxWave leather case
Jan 28 23:19:35 <wazd> RST38h: so what?)
Jan 28 23:19:51 <RST38h> Adds an extra centimeter to the tablet, but seems to work ok
Jan 28 23:20:07 <RST38h> wazd: Means that VIA must be really wicked
Jan 28 23:20:23 <RST38h> wazd: *or* I have a shitty codec
Jan 28 23:20:54 * Jaffa beds
Jan 28 23:20:55 <Jaffa> g'night
Jan 28 23:21:55 <wazd> RST38h: maybe there's the codec problem
Jan 28 23:22:06 <LinuxHack3r> Could someone please try to explain to me how this freaking thing's file system is setup? I love the device...but I cannot figure out how the documents and stuff are managed. When I go to the file manager, I don't get an actual filesystem...but instead "removable storage" and such.
Jan 28 23:22:07 <RST38h> using latest ffdshow
Jan 28 23:22:37 <RST38h> Linux: removable storage = external sd card = /media/mmc1
Jan 28 23:22:48 <RST38h> Linux: internal storage = internal sd card = /media/mmc2
Jan 28 23:22:58 <inz> LinuxHack3r, the documents are under ~/MyDocs/.documents etc
Jan 28 23:23:00 <wazd> RST38h: I had 720p videos that was really hard to play
Jan 28 23:23:11 <inz> Or whatever the dotdirs are named
Jan 28 23:23:17 <RST38h> Linux: and your home dir is under ~/MyDocs of course
Jan 28 23:24:17 <LinuxHack3r> Oh..that simplifies things a lot. So...am I free to edit fstab to make the removable card show up as /home/user/Data?
Jan 28 23:24:19 <RST38h> wazd: Oh, so you are having problems with some videos too?
Jan 28 23:24:32 <RST38h> Linux: I would not.
Jan 28 23:24:50 <LinuxHack3r> RST38h: Videos lag for me...such as youtube...if I created a larger swap...would that work better?
Jan 28 23:24:58 <RST38h> Linux: stuff like media scanner, running on your tablet by default, may well break up
Jan 28 23:25:10 <wazd> RST38h: yep
Jan 28 23:25:10 <RST38h> Linux: Not really. What do you use to play videos?
Jan 28 23:25:20 <lcuk> LinuxHack3r, a lot of specific maemo apps might "assume" default locations :) people often try symlinks but they have other issues
Jan 28 23:25:24 <wazd> RST38h: but some plays smooth
Jan 28 23:25:40 <RST38h> wazd: all the matroska and ogg stuff feels broken on mine
Jan 28 23:25:47 <LinuxHack3r> RST38h: I tried loading youtube...it works..but videos are somewhat skippy...I tried canola youtube...it worked but videos were skippy.
Jan 28 23:25:49 <lcuk> depends on the video itself about how smooth it runs, so one person might get a great experience and anotherm ight be poor
Jan 28 23:25:50 <wazd> RST38h: VIA C7 is pretty slow processor btw :) And old
Jan 28 23:26:00 <RST38h> wazd: skips and crashes when I try rewinding or fast forwarding
Jan 28 23:26:15 <RST38h> wazd: Yea, I know. But, on the other hand, P4 has got problems on its own.
Jan 28 23:26:30 <LinuxHack3r> wazd: Unfortunetly...I love the device...but seriously...I figued they could have put a little faster processor in it.
Jan 28 23:26:38 <wazd> RST38h: well, it rewinds fine but sometimes not skipping, but going slo-mo
Jan 28 23:26:41 <RST38h> Linux: Canola or MediaBox are probably the best choices to play Youtube
Jan 28 23:26:46 <lcuk> faster processor == pocket warmer == short battery life
Jan 28 23:27:01 <RST38h> Linux: They don't seem to skip for me (YouTube videos are lores and small to begin with)
Jan 28 23:27:03 <LinuxHack3r> RST38h: I'll try mediabox.
Jan 28 23:27:13 <lcuk> for the generation of processor of course, which is why the omap3 is gonna make life better
Jan 28 23:27:17 <RST38h> Linux: But they stutter a lot because of the network
Jan 28 23:27:32 <LinuxHack3r> The way it seemed to me...it was playing like every other frame so to say.
Jan 28 23:27:52 <RST38h> Linux: it may just be having hard time downloading it
Jan 28 23:28:16 <lcuk> was this just one try, have you gone back and tried since?
Jan 28 23:28:17 <LinuxHack3r> RST38h: Well the connection was fine...and it streamed over to my device fast...but actually playing it...
Jan 28 23:28:22 <wazd> omg, this live.tv is totaly hilarious)
Jan 28 23:28:22 <lcuk> you couldv had something else busy
Jan 28 23:28:25 <LinuxHack3r> lcuk: I'll try again.
Jan 28 23:28:36 <RST38h> Linux: do iinstall cpu load applet
Jan 28 23:28:43 <lcuk> not sure, but i know certainly on device video plays fine
Jan 28 23:28:50 <RST38h> this way you will always know your tablet;s load and the process list
Jan 28 23:28:56 * lcuk uses the video mode all the time because of this fact
Jan 28 23:29:00 <RST38h> lcuk: Not ALL video :)
Jan 28 23:29:10 <lcuk> all the stuff i want
Jan 28 23:29:12 <RST38h> lcuk: But Youtube should do just fine
Jan 28 23:29:13 <LinuxHack3r> RST38h: I'll do that...good idea.
Jan 28 23:29:20 <lcuk> i use the nokia video convertor thingy
Jan 28 23:29:33 <lcuk> take episodes from home pc and put em on tablet
Jan 28 23:29:55 <lcuk> apart from one bad episode (which wouldnt play at all for some reason) the rest have been great
Jan 28 23:30:24 * RST38h ended up using mencoder from the command line
Jan 28 23:30:27 <LinuxHack3r> lcuk: I've been meaning to setup a handbrake preset and try that route...the nokia video converter isn't for me *linux
Jan 28 23:30:35 <lcuk> speaking of which, i need to suss out how to play movies via gstreamer inside liqbase
Jan 28 23:30:48 <RST38h> Ok. SLEEP.
Jan 28 23:31:16 <lcuk> LinuxHack3r, you can use any convertor, just play around with small samples of movies until you find a codec size and rate that suits
Jan 28 23:31:20 <RST38h> sleep_enable() or whatever
Jan 28 23:31:36 <Guest23972> @LinuxHack3r http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=02339&dept_id=004&cat_id=0004
Jan 28 23:31:37 <LinuxHack3r> lcuk: That's what I mean with handbrake
Jan 28 23:31:43 <lcuk> or go find jaffas movie convertor
Jan 28 23:32:02 <LinuxHack3r> Guest23972: I've seen that...just wish I could examine in person.
Jan 28 23:33:36 <lcuk> LinuxHack3r, what else do you wanna use your tablet for
Jan 28 23:34:55 <Guest23972> LinuxHack3r http://www.amazon.de/Brando-Tasche-Nokia-N810-Side/dp/B0012K8K5E
Jan 28 23:35:01 <Guest23972> maybe this one is better
Jan 28 23:36:29 <LinuxHack3r> lcuk: Blogging...admin...stuff like that.
Jan 28 23:37:01 <LinuxHack3r> Guest23972: I like that one ok. But that is the only reason I wished I'd got an ipod touch...you could use a different case everyday of the year and still have some left over!
Jan 28 23:37:21 <LinuxHack3r> But I gotta go, l8r!
Jan 28 23:37:29 <Guest23972> bye ... cu
Jan 28 23:37:30 <Guest23972> :-D
Jan 28 23:37:35 * lardman_ corsses fingers that no more patches are needed
Jan 28 23:38:22 <lcuk> lardman, you know the gstreamer code in your barcode, any idea how to convert that to display video?
Jan 28 23:38:37 <lardman> vaguely
Jan 28 23:38:46 <lardman> you need to chose a different source
Jan 28 23:39:08 <lcuk> and if i choose a source which takes a filename im sorted? :D
Jan 28 23:39:15 <lcuk> or do i still have to specify the codec
Jan 28 23:39:37 <lardman> um, I think you can chose a source which will itself try to sort out the chain
Jan 28 23:39:42 <lcuk> this possibility raises certain possibilities :)
Jan 28 23:39:45 <lardman> as you can on the command line
Jan 28 23:40:00 <lardman> but, take a look at the gstreamer site, I guess they'll give you some basic code there
Jan 28 23:40:00 <lcuk> cool, ill take a look soon
Jan 28 23:40:17 <lardman> yeah, it being able to sort itself out is good :)
Jan 28 23:40:35 <lcuk> well i already drag in a video feed, just interested in seeing whats needed for movies
Jan 28 23:41:29 <lcuk> but first, events
Jan 28 23:41:43 <lardman> anyone happen to know what fs the initfs is?
Jan 28 23:41:50 <lardman> jffs2 I presume?
Jan 28 23:42:44 <lcuk> dunno simon
Jan 28 23:42:53 <lcuk> anyway, im vanishing :) catch you later
Jan 28 23:42:57 <lardman> yeah, looks like it
Jan 28 23:43:00 <lardman> ok, night
Jan 28 23:43:19 <lardman> Stskeeps: ping
Jan 28 23:43:46 <lardman> any Mer devs about?
Jan 28 23:43:48 <lcuk> thanks by the way, sorry to cut and run
Jan 28 23:43:53 <lardman> np :)
Jan 28 23:48:10 * lardman takes a big breath and remounts initfs rw
Jan 28 23:50:18 <lardman> any thoughts on whether /lib/modules/current needs to point to the current kernel directory?
Jan 28 23:56:10 <timeless> anyone here know how to trigger a background kill?
Jan 28 23:56:49 <lardman> no, sorry
Jan 28 23:58:02 <Proteous> I can give you the number of my friend Lenny, he takes care of that stuff for me.
Jan 28 23:58:11 <lardman> lol
Jan 28 23:58:22 <Proteous> not cheap though
Jan 29 00:02:20 <lardman> well, my kernel didn't boot
Jan 29 00:13:02 <Mousey> bleh
Jan 29 00:15:38 * timeless grumbles
Jan 29 00:46:15 <lardman> night all
Jan 29 01:09:41 * sisto can't wait to get his hands on a brand new n810
Jan 29 01:11:47 <brdusr> oO
Jan 29 01:12:39 * Jucato rubs his 5-day old N810...
Jan 29 01:15:55 <b-man> check out my new Ubuntu-rescue-menu i'm creating; http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-rescue-menu.jpg  <-- it's really awsome!! 8D
Jan 29 01:28:54 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody spammed the CrunchPad all over Wikipedia
Jan 29 02:24:53 <b-man> infobot: blow up
Jan 29 02:24:54 * infobot blows up
Jan 29 02:25:09 <b-man> lol XD
Jan 29 02:56:52 <Pavlz> hello
Jan 29 02:57:15 <Pavlz> i got a query for you
Jan 29 02:57:21 <bef0rd> who
Jan 29 02:57:45 <Pavlz> is possible to bypass the message on nokia 770
Jan 29 02:58:00 <Proteous> "the message" ?
Jan 29 02:58:20 <Pavlz> unable to connect via USB, no memory card ?
Jan 29 02:59:26 <Pavlz> i would transfer files on nokia 770
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