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Jan 30 03:00:04 <Jucato> new n810 here as well. :)
Jan 30 03:01:26 <Jucato> I'm always paranoid that I'll immediately use up the 256mb space (only got around 70mb left)
Jan 30 03:01:39 <GeneralAntilles> ~boot-sd
Jan 30 03:01:40 <infobot> methinks boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Jan 30 03:02:54 <Jucato> hm.. I'm getting a timeout error... probably from my end though...
Jan 30 03:03:25 <Jucato> but 70mb is probably still a long way to go :)
Jan 30 03:03:37 <Jucato> (but then I have a lot of things in mind :D)
Jan 30 03:05:53 <Jucato> is it possible to use the internal 2GB memory for that though?
Jan 30 03:11:27 <LinuxHack3r> GeneralAntilles: In terms of the filesytem from a terminal...where should I be looking to free up files? mmc1 is the 8GB card I believe...isn't it? It sould be free. So where else?
Jan 30 03:14:46 <LinuxHack3r> GeneralAntilles: Helps! Where should I clean up space?
Jan 30 03:16:59 <sisto> LinuxHack3r: rm / -rf
Jan 30 03:17:04 <sisto> LinuxHack3r: kidding!!!
Jan 30 03:17:14 <LinuxHack3r> sisto: It works!
Jan 30 03:17:22 <sisto> LinuxHack3r: haha
Jan 30 03:17:24 <LinuxHack3r> Oh wait...now the screen is blank.
Jan 30 03:17:30 <LinuxHack3r> It won't turn on!
Jan 30 03:17:36 <LinuxHack3r> This sucks. ;)
Jan 30 03:21:08 <sisto> LinuxHack3r: i think this is what you're looking for: http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Jan 30 03:21:39 <sisto> "... Why would we want to boot from a flash card?   * For more space to install applications.  ...."
Jan 30 03:21:43 <LinuxHack3r> Not exactly..but I may have to do that later. Right now I am trying to find out where..in the File Manager, Nokia N810 is actually stored.
Jan 30 03:21:56 <LinuxHack3r> where is the "Nokia N810" file storage area?
Jan 30 03:24:59 * Jucato would want to permanently swap the roles of the 256mb and the internal 2gb memory...
Jan 30 03:25:48 <josh_949> hi room
Jan 30 03:26:05 * Jucato looks around
Jan 30 03:26:33 <josh_949> Do ya'll think the n900 will be released febuary 16th?
Jan 30 03:26:43 <LinuxHack3r> I love this device to death...but I sorta feel Nokia bombed when it came to the storage. Seriously...for the price...stick ONE 16GB card inside or something...I hate having to deal with "three" cards so to say.
Jan 30 03:27:01 <LinuxHack3r> josh_949: If so...I wonder how much it'll cost? I bet I cannot pick one of those up for 250!
Jan 30 03:27:16 <Jucato> gah!and I just bought my n810 6 days ago! :(
Jan 30 03:27:33 <Jucato> (after a year of waiting...)
Jan 30 03:27:37 <josh_949> tabletblog.com and  the price drops say it will be released very soon
Jan 30 03:28:01 <LinuxHack3r> Jucato: i BOUGHT it about a good week or so ago...ask sisto...but I just got it monday.
Jan 30 03:28:12 <benson> LinuxHack3r: The File manager shows things in MyDocs directory and below.
Jan 30 03:28:13 <josh_949> I miss my n810....
Jan 30 03:28:29 <josh_949> I sold it to get my eee pc 1002ha im using
Jan 30 03:28:54 <LinuxHack3r> benson: Where is the MyDocs directory located in the filesystem?
Jan 30 03:29:04 <josh_949> um
Jan 30 03:29:08 <Jucato> LinuxHack3r, hehe almost same as me... but I had a longer wait...
Jan 30 03:29:10 <benson> josh_949: Define "released"; we may get an announcement then, but produve is still a way out.
Jan 30 03:29:19 <josh_949> I think the ffolder is hidden
Jan 30 03:29:22 <benson> LinuxHack3r: /home/user/MyDocs
Jan 30 03:29:51 <josh_949> is anyone on an n810?
Jan 30 03:29:51 <benson> It's not hidden, though some of the subfolders are.
Jan 30 03:29:57 <josh_949> oh ok
Jan 30 03:30:25 <josh_949> is anyone on an n810?
Jan 30 03:30:33 <benson> Like .documents is the "Documents" folder, but by making it hidden, they can fake it in with a localized name.
Jan 30 03:30:33 <LinuxHack3r> benson: That might be my problem...I don't have a /home/user/MyDocs. Like I said...one failed command screwed something minor up.
Jan 30 03:30:40 <Jucato> but when you go to ~/MyDocs in the terminal and do ls, it's emptyh :)
Jan 30 03:30:41 <LinuxHack3r> josh_949: Right now?/
Jan 30 03:30:48 <josh_949> yea
Jan 30 03:30:55 <LinuxHack3r> Jucato: go into it and do ls .*
Jan 30 03:30:59 <benson> That's quite possibly the problem.
Jan 30 03:31:01 <Jucato> josh_949, me... chatting
Jan 30 03:31:09 <benson> Jucato: or ls -a
Jan 30 03:31:19 <Jucato> LinuxHack3r, er... hidden dirs
Jan 30 03:31:25 <sisto> Jucato: see the bright side, you got the n810 for half or third the price the n900 will come out with
Jan 30 03:31:32 <Jucato> why didn't I think of that...
Jan 30 03:31:48 <Jucato> sisto, guess again :)
Jan 30 03:32:17 <benson> ?
Jan 30 03:32:23 <Jucato> US$ 450 (converted)
Jan 30 03:32:32 <benson> Ouch.
Jan 30 03:32:41 <sisto> in that case you would get the n900 for 1000 or more
Jan 30 03:32:50 <benson> Probably.
Jan 30 03:32:59 <Jucato> it was a take it or leave it deal ;)
Jan 30 03:33:21 <sisto> Jucato: where do you live?
Jan 30 03:33:31 <sisto> (country)
Jan 30 03:33:36 <benson> Hmmm... maybe you should have left it, if you know anyone in the US.
Jan 30 03:33:42 <Jucato> there's only one store here that sells the N810, and thnat was after a year it was released!
Jan 30 03:33:48 <benson> We have them for $220.
Jan 30 03:33:49 <Jucato> Philippines
Jan 30 03:34:23 <Jucato> ironically, this is Nokia country
Jan 30 03:34:26 <LinuxHack3r> is there supposed to be anything majorly important in the mydocs?
Jan 30 03:34:49 <Jucato> "Nokia" is the local term for "cellphone"
Jan 30 03:34:51 * benson pokes around in MyDocs
Jan 30 03:35:20 <sisto> LinuxHack3r: no, just the kernel and other unimportant stuff
Jan 30 03:35:41 <LinuxHack3r> Oh...who cares about popcorn?
Jan 30 03:35:54 <Jucato> heh
Jan 30 03:36:52 <benson> I think you should be fine with just MyDocs, MyDocs/.documents, MyDocs/.images, MyDocs/.games, MyDocs/.sounds, MyDocs/.videos, all empty directories...
Jan 30 03:37:28 <sisto> benson: what are those for?
Jan 30 03:37:31 <Jucato> I keep no files in there.I immediately move files to mmc1 or 2
Jan 30 03:37:49 <benson> That's the directory tree LinuxHack3r blew away.
Jan 30 03:38:01 <LinuxHack3r> benson: indeed.
Jan 30 03:38:20 <Jucato> hehe
Jan 30 03:50:40 <LinuxHack3r> benson: Haha! After creating a dir for each..it works! Wonder why something like that makes such a difference?
Jan 30 03:51:15 <benson> Because it wanted to save a file there, and there was no there there?
Jan 30 03:52:26 <LinuxHack3r> benson: But a new repo for meamo-extras? where would it go? documents, images, games, sounds, or videos? ;)
Jan 30 03:53:12 <sisto> LinuxHack3r: what wasn't working that started working when you created the dirs?
Jan 30 03:53:12 <benson> No, the .install file that describes the repo. And I'm not sure, but probably documents...
Jan 30 03:54:12 * Jucato can't seem to see how to type angle brackets when the hardware keyboard is out....
Jan 30 03:54:23 <sisto> i'm looking at the n810 keyboard... there's no alt key, how do you zap X?
Jan 30 03:54:34 <Mousey> Jucato: hit the Chr key
Jan 30 03:54:48 <Mousey> you can map the [] {} keys to the bar under the terminal
Jan 30 03:54:54 <Mousey> which i find is the easiest way
Jan 30 03:55:07 <benson> sisto: you don't.
Jan 30 03:55:08 <Jucato> Those are square brackets...
Jan 30 03:55:25 <sisto> so there's no need for the alt key?
Jan 30 03:55:32 <benson> It's not Xfree86/Xorg, it's a kdrive derivative.
Jan 30 03:55:38 <Jucato> angle brackets = greater/less than
Jan 30 03:55:45 <benson> It doesn't even know about Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
Jan 30 03:55:53 <Jucato> no alt key... poor emacs...
Jan 30 03:56:01 * Jucato hides
Jan 30 03:56:05 <Mousey> yah, no alt. never solved that one myself =)
Jan 30 03:56:15 <Mousey> who uses emacs anyway? you only have 128M of ram!
Jan 30 03:56:20 * Mousey ducks!
Jan 30 03:56:43 <benson> I don't have one, but I think some people may bind another key for alt?
Jan 30 03:57:12 <benson> Anyway, can't emacs make do with meta?
Jan 30 03:57:21 <Jucato> <> is only there for the stylus keyboard  :;(
Jan 30 03:57:27 <LinuxHack3r> So tells me...the modest mail app...where in the conf do I enable images in gconf-editor?
Jan 30 03:57:29 <benson> So you can just hit Escape before the key?
Jan 30 03:58:09 <benson> LinuxHack3r: http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmasphere/2613776979/
Jan 30 03:58:23 <sisto> benson: is there an escape key?
Jan 30 03:58:41 <Jucato> heheh
Jan 30 03:58:50 <benson> Yes, it's got the "back" curlicue arrow.
Jan 30 03:59:00 <Jucato> esc button
Jan 30 03:59:14 <Jucato> http://jucato.org/gallery/v/photos/dreams-come-true-2009/
Jan 30 03:59:18 <Jucato> oops...
Jan 30 03:59:23 * Mousey clicks!
Jan 30 03:59:25 <Jucato> wrong window
Jan 30 03:59:29 <Mousey> wee!
Jan 30 03:59:40 <Jucato> hehe just n810 pics
Jan 30 03:59:57 <Mousey> rats
Jan 30 04:00:09 <LinuxHack3r> benson: Thanks...any other tips I may want to enable?
Jan 30 04:01:14 <benson> Probably bunches, but I don't have any to the top of my head...
Jan 30 04:02:19 <benson> Just cruise around gconf looking for interesting settings and change them. Just like the Windows registry.
Jan 30 04:02:34 <Jucato> gah! no fair!
Jan 30 04:02:58 <Jucato> even the finger kb has <>
Jan 30 04:03:05 <benson> (Actually, gconf has documentation for many of the settings, so cruising around can be helpful.
Jan 30 04:03:24 <benson> My N800 has <> on _all_ its keyboards. :p
Jan 30 04:04:00 <Jucato> you don't have a thumbboard anyway! :P
Jan 30 04:04:23 <benson> Actually, I do. A bluetooth thumbboard -- with <>!
Jan 30 04:04:31 <Jucato> heh
Jan 30 04:04:55 <benson> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16685
Jan 30 04:05:05 <Jucato> cheater :P
Jan 30 04:05:39 <Jucato> now if only I had 2 more arms so that I could do laundry *and* chat...
Jan 30 04:06:23 <LinuxHack3r> benson: I'll wait untill I get my other, first shipment from them. If I'm satisfied...that's an awfully cheap keyboard though.
Jan 30 04:06:58 <LinuxHack3r> This is what I want:
Jan 30 04:06:58 <LinuxHack3r> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6443
Jan 30 04:06:59 <benson> They're pretty decent, I've ordered ~$100 worth from them previously.
Jan 30 04:07:20 <benson> I actually put in a ~300 order with them last week.
Jan 30 04:08:27 * Jucato has yet to find one...
Jan 30 04:08:35 <Mousey> ~300
Jan 30 04:08:38 <Mousey> rats
Jan 30 04:08:41 <benson> That hardware's good, but not certain it's HID.
Jan 30 04:09:07 <benson> I have a Palm-branded one that's the same, but HID only.
Jan 30 04:09:32 <benson> That MSI one is either SPP only or SPP/HID, and I'm not sure which.
Jan 30 04:09:48 <LinuxHack3r> I don't have a clue what you just said...and I'm a full time geek.
Jan 30 04:10:05 <Jucato> I was  planning on something crazy, like a rollable keyboard...
Jan 30 04:10:13 <benson> They only mention SPP... but they don't always have complete (or accurate) descriptions.
Jan 30 04:10:19 <Jucato> but remembered it was a usb kb... :(
Jan 30 04:10:42 <benson> HID: Normal keyboard protocol, works straight up/
Jan 30 04:11:08 <benson> SPP: Used on some old palms, I think, but needs a daemon to interpret it.
Jan 30 04:11:31 <benson> Works fine, but you have to install kbdd, which would be annoying.
Jan 30 04:12:02 <benson> Jucato: USB keyboards work, lots of people use them.
Jan 30 04:12:54 <benson> I occasionally use a USB (regular, not rollup) on my N800.
Jan 30 04:12:55 <LinuxHack3r> Oh..so HID is good.
Jan 30 04:13:05 <Jucato> benson, I will need to find a regular USB to micro USB converter first...
Jan 30 04:13:26 <benson> Yeah, HID is also good for other devices, laptops etc.
Jan 30 04:14:16 <Jucato> ok so for bt keyboards, HID good, SPP not so much?
Jan 30 04:14:36 <benson> Jucato: Shipping may be an issue, but you can get them from:
Jan 30 04:14:40 <benson> http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=35_67
Jan 30 04:15:21 <benson> Otherwise, you can do software switching, and just an A-female / A-Female adapper, + the cable that came with your N810.
Jan 30 04:15:32 <Jucato> shipping is always the issue
Jan 30 04:15:44 <Jucato> yeah I found one like that :)
Jan 30 04:15:51 <Jucato> that's plan B
Jan 30 04:17:36 <LinuxHack3r> benson: With the right adapter and I think I saw a program for the n810..I can plug flashdrives and card readers up to this thing can't i?
Jan 30 04:17:39 <Jucato> although now I don't which is geekier: a foldable bt keyboard or a rollable usb one :)
Jan 30 04:18:28 <rwhitby> electronicproductonline.com shipped an OTG adapter to Australia for reasonable shipping costs.
Jan 30 04:18:30 <benson> LinuxHack3r: yeah, but no program. It just works.
Jan 30 04:18:33 <LinuxHack3r> Jucato: I almost bought a rollable one at staples..but then I saw it was pst.
Jan 30 04:18:51 <Jucato> pst?
Jan 30 04:19:26 <benson> ps2?
Jan 30 04:20:04 <LinuxHack3r> Jucato: Yes..it's an interface developed by the Soviets in the mid 60's to make data transfer as safe as possible...as the encryption protocol it uses hasn't been cracked to this day.
Jan 30 04:20:11 <Jucato> psx?
Jan 30 04:20:14 <LinuxHack3r> Jucato: Of course I meant ps2.
Jan 30 04:20:16 <Jucato> ah...
Jan 30 04:20:31 <Jucato> heheh
Jan 30 04:20:55 <LinuxHack3r> So where could I get a usb rollable?
Jan 30 04:21:32 <Jucato> dunno from where you are.a local store here sells lots of them...
Jan 30 04:21:41 <benson> http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.302
Jan 30 04:22:03 <benson> Or any local computer store may have them.
Jan 30 04:22:05 * Jucato reaches for his asthma meds...
Jan 30 04:23:16 <Jucato> although it's not a priority now for me...
Jan 30 04:23:35 <LinuxHack3r> Sweet!
Jan 30 04:23:36 <Jucato> my priority is finding those damned angle brackets!
Jan 30 04:23:45 <LinuxHack3r> Jucato: What?
Jan 30 04:23:47 <benson> ?
Jan 30 04:24:03 <benson> They're on both onscreen keyboards.
Jan 30 04:25:03 <Mousey> so what's it mean when i run badblocks on my internal flash and it comes back with a list of them???
Jan 30 04:25:30 <Jucato> i meant for the real kb :)
Jan 30 04:25:55 <benson> IDK, maybe your internal flash has a list of bad blocks?
Jan 30 04:26:28 <Mousey> ;_;
Jan 30 04:26:32 <Mousey> out of warranty! ;_;
Jan 30 04:26:38 <benson> Or maybe that  badblocks doesn't work on MTD?
Jan 30 04:26:43 <Mousey> oh, but it's not MTD
Jan 30 04:26:46 <Mousey> that'd be /
Jan 30 04:26:53 <Mousey> i mean the 2gb internal
Jan 30 04:27:54 <benson> Oh, then that just means Nokia's annoying for giving you onenand instead of an MMC slot.
Jan 30 04:28:12 <benson> But it shouldn't be a problem...
Jan 30 04:28:14 <LinuxHack3r> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3731
Jan 30 04:28:21 <LinuxHack3r> I like!
Jan 30 04:28:47 <benson> Unless you have killer many, your filesystem should keep a bad block list and work fine.
Jan 30 04:29:47 <benson> LinuxHack3r: I want (and have not found) a USB mini-B / mini-B cable for connecting N800 straight to stuff like that.
Jan 30 04:30:11 <benson> But nobody seems to make one that I've seen...
Jan 30 04:30:24 <benson> Especially retractable would be nice.
Jan 30 04:30:28 <LinuxHack3r> benson: That's not right . Perhaps you could custom make one?
Jan 30 04:31:01 <benson> Probably, but not retractable, or only with great difficulty.
Jan 30 04:31:15 <LinuxHack3r> That's true.
Jan 30 04:32:41 <benson> electronicproductonline has pre-wired mini-B OTG pigtails for retrofitting devices, but they're regular round cable, and retractable needs flat.
Jan 30 04:33:12 <Jucato> heh that's my 2nd kb choice.but only if it has bt heheh
Jan 30 04:33:50 <Jucato> otherwise if it's usb, I'd rather go rollable
Jan 30 04:34:37 <benson> But it's sold out. When dealextreme products go "temporarily sold out", they often don't come back...
Jan 30 04:34:44 <LinuxHack3r> benson: Here's a short version of what you want! http://www.trianglelaptops.com/p-459-new-usb-adapter-type-b-male-b-male-ad-ubbbb-mm.aspx
Jan 30 04:34:57 <benson> And the name brand (Targus) version is expensive.
Jan 30 04:35:38 <benson> LinuxHack3r: That looks like fullsize B, the squareish ones.
Jan 30 04:35:42 <benson> Not miniB
Jan 30 04:35:45 <LinuxHack3r> Oh...forgive me.
Jan 30 04:36:04 <LinuxHack3r> USB is one of the most confusing things on this world.
Jan 30 04:36:14 <benson> Beasides, I don't want my tablet jammed up onto the keyboard's USB port. :p
Jan 30 04:36:34 <Mousey> microusb
Jan 30 04:36:36 <Mousey> not miniusb
Jan 30 04:37:27 <benson> It _shouldn't_ be, but people started making retarded adapters (A-A, B-B), and _then_ people started making USB-OTG, which made them not-retarded. And now it's a muddle.
Jan 30 04:37:50 <benson> Mousey: No, miniUSB; I have a N800.
Jan 30 04:37:54 <Mousey> oh
Jan 30 04:38:03 <benson> 770 and N800 use mini, N810 uses micro.
Jan 30 04:38:15 <Jucato> usb's and memory cards... micro,mini, @_@
Jan 30 04:38:18 <Mousey> well the microUSB otg on the n810 is fail.. they gave us hostmode, yay!! but not enuff to power even a usb stick
Jan 30 04:38:19 <Mousey> boo
Jan 30 04:38:21 <benson> Which is another reason USB is crazy at times.
Jan 30 04:38:51 <benson> Same power as N800 I think, and I've done USB sticks fine.
Jan 30 04:39:05 <benson> Some of them are just too power-hungry, but some work finew.
Jan 30 04:39:17 * Jucato can't test that :)
Jan 30 04:39:51 <benson> I've also had a non-powered hub, joystick, and keyboard all hooked up. But that with my ethernet adapter was too much, and things went flakey.
Jan 30 04:40:41 <benson> But if you get a powered hub, all (well, most) USB problems go away.
Jan 30 05:08:30 <Shadow_M> hello everyone did anyone figure out the smba mounting permission issue
Jan 30 05:11:06 <Jari--> Hi. Has anyone managed to make Macromedia Flash objects work within QT's WebKit ?
Jan 30 05:11:39 <Jari--> actually meant for #qt :P (oops)
Jan 30 05:11:56 <Jucato> hehe
Jan 30 05:19:24 * b-man sleeps, g'night all
Jan 30 05:20:35 <Navi> Jari--: works with Arora
Jan 30 05:31:36 <Shadow_M> Navi, do you use mount -t cifs
Jan 30 05:36:03 <Navi> Shadow_M: I use mount.cifs
Jan 30 05:36:08 <Navi> same thing
Jan 30 05:36:17 <Navi> Why?
Jan 30 05:36:53 <Shadow_M> i am hzving permision problems
Jan 30 05:37:20 <Navi> What kinds of permission problems?
Jan 30 05:37:28 <Shadow_M> i am using noperm option but still doesnt work
Jan 30 05:38:10 <Shadow_M> like the user has permision to move files and edit but i am beingntreated as other
Jan 30 05:39:26 <qgil> Any impressions about the new Media Application Framework - https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/885/368/mafw-maemo-fremantle-draft.pdf ?
Jan 30 05:42:03 <Navi> Shadow_M: set the gid and umask when you mount it, I guess
Jan 30 05:43:52 <Shadow_M> sudo /bin/mount -t cifs "//(IP_ADDRESS)/(SHARE_NAME)" "/home/user/MyDocs/(DIRECTORY TO MOUNT TO)" -o username="(USERNAME_HERE)",password="(PASSWORD_HERE)",uid=29999,gid=29999
Jan 30 05:44:12 <Shadow_M> already do that then at the end ,noperm
Jan 30 05:44:50 <Navi> throw in umask=775 or something
Jan 30 05:44:54 <Navi> hax it up
Jan 30 05:45:26 <Navi> 777, even, if you're an other
Jan 30 05:50:56 <Shadow_M> so umask=777 where in that command
Jan 30 05:56:00 <Shadow_M> sudo /bin/mount -t cifs "//(IP_ADDRESS)/(SHARE_NAME)" "/home/user/MyDocs/(DIRECTORY TO MOUNT TO)" -o username="(USERNAME_HERE)",password="(PASSWORD_HERE)",uid=29999,gid=29999,umask=777 ?
Jan 30 05:56:03 <Shadow_M> like that
Jan 30 05:56:54 <Navi> yessir
Jan 30 05:58:44 * slonopotamus hates watchdog
Jan 30 05:59:34 <Shadow_M> alright gonna try not thanks
Jan 30 06:01:16 <slonopotamus> anyone has mer installed?
Jan 30 06:17:12 <Proteous> stupid interwebs
Jan 30 06:51:13 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: oh, thought johnx added assume connection already
Jan 30 07:23:26 <Stskeeps> morn qwerty12
Jan 30 07:23:45 <qwerty12> hi Stskeeps
Jan 30 07:24:11 <timeless> hello world
Jan 30 07:24:21 <timeless> sts: could i see a preview of 0.7(vmwarE)
Jan 30 07:24:46 <Stskeeps> timeless: sec
Jan 30 07:45:02 <timeless> nice... my e61i killed itself while plugged in
Jan 30 07:45:03 <Meiz_n810> how can i set my n810 in rd-mode on directly on it without flasher?
Jan 30 07:45:11 <Meiz_n810> cal-tool?
Jan 30 07:45:13 <qwerty12> You can't.
Jan 30 07:47:28 <timeless> does vmware send mail if you register?
Jan 30 07:48:09 <qwerty12> Bugmenot has a few logins for VMWare if you're trying to download
Jan 30 07:48:26 * timeless gave up and entered valid values
Jan 30 07:49:45 <Stskeeps> virtualbox works too if vmware is not applicable / anything that loads vmdk :)
Jan 30 07:49:54 <timeless> this is wXPsp3
Jan 30 07:50:15 <timeless> i'm planning to update my workstation to a newer OSOL
Jan 30 07:50:24 <timeless> when i do that, i'll need to use VirtualBox or something for it
Jan 30 08:31:40 <Stskeeps> morning GAN800
Jan 30 08:32:09 <GAN800> Drove home, now I'm sitting on the front porch locked out with a friend.
Jan 30 08:32:27 <Stskeeps> ah. i think there's a xkcd comic related to this
Jan 30 08:33:10 <timeless> locked out?
Jan 30 08:34:00 <GAN800> Waiting until my sister wakes to go to school and hoping we don't give her a heart attack.
Jan 30 08:34:21 <Stskeeps> doorbell doesn't work?
Jan 30 08:34:35 * Stskeeps is going together with gf in 30 minutes to print our her slides and then her having her masters thesis defense
Jan 30 08:34:36 <GAN800> The only key I have is for a lock that, apparently, no longer exists.
Jan 30 08:34:48 <timeless> at 3am, a doorbell isn't a good idea
Jan 30 08:35:26 <timeless> so...
Jan 30 08:35:37 <timeless> what's the logic for OK below Cancel in mer?
Jan 30 08:35:50 <GAN800> We're on the porch, the front door has a keypad, but the porch door has a deadbolt.
Jan 30 08:36:04 <Stskeeps> timeless: zenity does it like that, so that's what it was
Jan 30 08:36:22 <Stskeeps> feel free to note it somewhere, it probably shouldn't even have cancel :P
Jan 30 08:36:35 <timeless> it shouldn't
Jan 30 08:36:51 <timeless> The passwords don't match dialog sucks
Jan 30 08:37:12 <L0cutus> buongiorno
Jan 30 08:37:24 <Stskeeps> hehe, well, it's all made in shell script and zenity, not much to expect :)
Jan 30 08:37:43 <timeless> is it really expectin gme to log into a console?
Jan 30 08:37:54 <timeless> oh, it isn't
Jan 30 08:38:10 <Stskeeps> we expose the seams currently to debug and such so
Jan 30 08:38:12 <timeless> um, there should be a line on the text console telling me to "please wait while graphics loads."
Jan 30 08:38:15 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 30 08:38:20 <timeless> the OSOL login has a line like that
Jan 30 08:38:23 <Stskeeps> there's also a huge note over this release saying "don't expect too much of it"
Jan 30 08:38:25 <timeless> i can get it for you if you like
Jan 30 08:38:30 <Stskeeps> OSOL, btw?
Jan 30 08:38:34 <timeless> opensolaris
Jan 30 08:38:37 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 30 08:38:53 <timeless> also, the info banner for 'loading'
Jan 30 08:38:59 <timeless> seems wider than my screen
Jan 30 08:39:04 <timeless> it's like Fennec's find toolbar :)
Jan 30 08:39:15 <Stskeeps> yeah, the info banner is from hildon stuff
Jan 30 08:39:21 <Stskeeps> didn't add it intentionally, i loathe it :P
Jan 30 08:39:34 * timeless wonders how to fix the vmware screen res
Jan 30 08:39:55 <Stskeeps> but anyway, if you do find errors, usability, or any, feel free to note them on wiki somewhere
Jan 30 08:40:14 <timeless> if someone else could take notes from here, that'd be easier for me
Jan 30 08:40:20 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 30 08:40:41 <timeless> network connections is your network manager from ubuntu?
Jan 30 08:41:16 <Stskeeps> yeah, it was best choice currently (Network Manager), as ICD isn't open..
Jan 30 08:41:21 * timeless nods
Jan 30 08:41:22 <Stskeeps> i would love to use ICD, but so it goes
Jan 30 08:41:32 <timeless> fwiw, the editing auto eth0 dialog has issues at the bottom
Jan 30 08:41:40 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 30 08:41:47 <timeless> the available to all users checkbox and cancel/ok run over the tabgroup
Jan 30 08:42:14 <Stskeeps> we are looking a bit at intel's connman but it has a nice TODO notice saying it doesn't do wpa..
Jan 30 08:42:17 <Stskeeps> (2)
Jan 30 08:42:32 <timeless> heh
Jan 30 08:42:42 <timeless> fwiw, fremantle didn't do wpa2 last week iirc
Jan 30 08:42:47 <timeless> it might this or next
Jan 30 08:42:59 <timeless> it was great, since the primary internal net our testers use was wpa2
Jan 30 08:43:00 <timeless> iirc
Jan 30 08:43:09 <timeless> hrm
Jan 30 08:43:19 <timeless> why didn't application manager show my device name in the main screen?
Jan 30 08:43:29 <Stskeeps> it does that?
Jan 30 08:43:40 <timeless> um, get someone else to confirm?
Jan 30 08:43:41 <Stskeeps> device type or name?
Jan 30 08:43:52 <timeless> my devices are in pockets somewhere :)
Jan 30 08:44:04 <timeless> hey, can i switch to en-us? :)
Jan 30 08:44:11 <timeless> h-a-m bothers me :)
Jan 30 08:44:13 <Stskeeps> hehe, no locale stuff done just yet :P
Jan 30 08:44:25 <Stskeeps> we use en_GB almost straight from fremantle pre-alpha2
Jan 30 08:44:42 <Stskeeps> and if it wasn't for my hack to re-include some strings, it would look really crap
Jan 30 08:44:57 <timeless> heh
Jan 30 08:45:10 <timeless> ok, any idea why the cursor changed to 'x' in ham/browse/all?
Jan 30 08:45:42 <Stskeeps> probably because we use use_cursor yes and not a transparent cursor trick
Jan 30 08:46:01 <timeless> the home screen gives me a prettier cursor
Jan 30 08:46:06 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 30 08:46:11 <timeless> i'm only objecting to the X, not the presence
Jan 30 08:46:43 <Stskeeps> yeah - and it's related to lack of proper cursor handling just yet :)
Jan 30 08:46:46 <timeless> wait, is red pill mode not supported by ham?
Jan 30 08:46:50 <Stskeeps> sure it is
Jan 30 08:47:06 <Stskeeps> but HAM is a bit wonky in that snapshot
Jan 30 08:47:32 <timeless> it says enter web address first
Jan 30 08:47:38 <timeless> and i hae 'matrix' in there
Jan 30 08:47:48 <Stskeeps> try matrix and escape
Jan 30 08:47:48 <timeless> oh!
Jan 30 08:47:52 <timeless> it got behind the ...
Jan 30 08:47:54 <timeless> cute
Jan 30 08:48:17 <Stskeeps> be aware show all packages is a bit funny since we have entire ubuntu repository ;)
Jan 30 08:48:23 <Stskeeps> (it -does- work, after 3 minutes)
Jan 30 08:48:24 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 30 08:48:31 <Mousey> ^_^
Jan 30 08:48:34 <timeless> heh
Jan 30 08:49:23 <timeless> is there some trick to getting the screen dimensions correct?
Jan 30 08:53:30 * timeless wonders how to send <Enter> to xterm
Jan 30 08:54:44 * timeless wonders why hildon-desktop is using 114% for 'load'
Jan 30 08:55:41 <timeless> so, the cpu load thingy doesn't support sorting? :(
Jan 30 08:55:42 <Stskeeps> ctrl-m and load-applet is a bit odd.. and vmware doesn't do 800x480 i think
Jan 30 08:56:09 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 30 08:56:20 <Jaffa> timeless: press keypad-enter
Jan 30 08:56:26 <timeless> on my laptop?
Jan 30 08:56:32 * timeless looks
Jan 30 08:56:33 <Stskeeps> ctrl-m then :P
Jan 30 08:56:38 <timeless> nope, can't seem to find that key
Jan 30 08:56:45 <Stskeeps> i have no idea what causes it, i think it's a hildon specific thing
Jan 30 08:56:55 <timeless> yeah it's a feature
Jan 30 08:57:05 <timeless> it drives the internal devs nuts too fwiw
Jan 30 08:57:26 <timeless> so, does 'close' close the process list, or the selected app? :(
Jan 30 08:58:07 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 30 08:58:20 <Stskeeps> "Kill" ;>
Jan 30 08:58:34 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: can you test mer, new evdev, and see if Fn works now?
Jan 30 08:58:35 <timeless> though shalt not...
Jan 30 08:58:38 <timeless> oh that was murder
Jan 30 08:58:45 <Stskeeps> yeah, killing is OK, murder isn'
Jan 30 08:58:45 <Stskeeps> t
Jan 30 08:58:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 30 09:08:06 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: yes, when i get out of this classroom ;)
Jan 30 09:08:53 <GAN800> It pouring rain. :(
Jan 30 09:17:45 <trenka> ab: how is it going?
Jan 30 09:18:04 <ab> trenka: the train is tomorrow :)
Jan 30 09:32:50 <trenka> ab: hehe ;) Need orchestra on the station? ;)
Jan 30 09:33:03 <ab> trenka: :)
Jan 30 09:47:13 <X-Fade> Morning.
Jan 30 09:55:35 <lcuk> mornin X-Fade
Jan 30 09:56:21 <timeless> hey
Jan 30 09:56:39 <timeless> anyone here know of any 0/1 line xml files in the public diablo repo?
Jan 30 09:59:30 <timeless> stskeeps: will mer break if i update "Operating System" (3.2mb) ?
Jan 30 10:03:48 <GAN800> X-Fade, if I update repository.maemo.org, can you upload the new page?
Jan 30 10:04:10 <timeless> gan800: do you have a box that can build packages?
Jan 30 10:04:43 <GAN800> timeless, no.
Jan 30 10:06:01 <X-Fade> GAN800: No, but marcell can. ;)
Jan 30 10:06:31 <Stskeeps> timeless: we have an upgrade like that? O_o
Jan 30 10:06:35 <X-Fade> GAN800: But i'll ask him to update it..
Jan 30 10:06:54 <timeless> stskeeps: i was offered updateds for libtk2, libhildon, xserver-xorg
Jan 30 10:07:09 <timeless> l10ns for ham, control panel, fm, libs
Jan 30 10:07:30 <GAN800> X-Fade, I was a bit conservative with my changes last time around, but I think I'll make it match maemo-meeting etc this time.
Jan 30 10:08:35 <X-Fade> GAN800: Sure, no problem.
Jan 30 10:18:02 <Stskeeps> should be fine
Jan 30 10:18:12 <Stskeeps> , timeless
Jan 30 10:18:13 <timeless> gan:...
Jan 30 10:18:23 <timeless> "Connection name already in use"
Jan 30 10:19:09 <timeless> oh cool
Jan 30 10:19:17 <timeless> i got 'Operation failed' starting application manager :)
Jan 30 10:20:33 <StsN800> hehe. assume-connection issue
Jan 30 10:20:38 <timeless> no
Jan 30 10:20:46 <timeless> i have 0 catalogues
Jan 30 10:20:51 <timeless> which sounds 'bad'
Jan 30 10:22:50 <lcuk> timeless, should translation extend to logged error messages?
Jan 30 10:24:12 * lcuk hopes not because theres more logging in my system than visible UI labels
Jan 30 10:24:13 <StsN800> i will kill whoever makes syslog be in danish
Jan 30 10:24:20 <lcuk> lol
Jan 30 10:24:28 <timeless> technically they should
Jan 30 10:24:33 <timeless> gcc translates its error messages
Jan 30 10:24:34 <lcuk> im thinking of the northern->english
Jan 30 10:24:38 <timeless> in practice, doing it is usually stupid
Jan 30 10:24:44 <lcuk> thats because gcc is entirely console
Jan 30 10:24:54 <lcuk> its UI *is* the console
Jan 30 10:25:07 <timeless> hrm
Jan 30 10:26:10 <timeless> for logging, i'd prefer just english i suppose :)
Jan 30 10:26:15 <timeless> so um
Jan 30 10:26:25 <timeless> why don't i have any catalogs in application manager?
Jan 30 10:27:04 <lcuk> i dunno
Jan 30 10:27:18 <lcuk> bbiab, was just a ponderment
Jan 30 10:27:47 <timeless> could someone pastebin /var/lib/osso-application-installer/catalogues.backup ?
Jan 30 10:28:54 * timeless likes how there are both available_updates and available-updates
Jan 30 10:29:56 <timeless> oh, osso-application-installer is a symlink, oh well, doesn't matter
Jan 30 10:31:39 <RST38h> remoo all
Jan 30 10:32:03 <StsN800> timeless, mer/sprints/0.7 indicate an issue with not assuming connection, it uses libconic and we have no icd
Jan 30 10:32:35 <timeless> sts: yeah, but... before i had things in catalog, iirc
Jan 30 10:33:02 <StsN800> timeless, add assume-connection 1 to ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager i think
Jan 30 10:33:20 <timeless> i have that
Jan 30 10:33:24 <StsN800> yeah but they dont show up until first update
Jan 30 10:33:29 <StsN800> afaik
Jan 30 10:33:30 <StsN800> k
Jan 30 10:33:32 <timeless> can you check the catalogs list?
Jan 30 10:33:35 <timeless> in the ui
Jan 30 10:33:50 <StsN800> tools->catalogue i think
Jan 30 10:33:56 <timeless> yes
Jan 30 10:33:59 <timeless> what do you have there
Jan 30 10:34:01 <timeless> i have nothing
Jan 30 10:34:14 <yerga> X-Fade, ping
Jan 30 10:34:14 <StsN800> not in mer atm
Jan 30 10:34:24 <X-Fade> yerga: pong
Jan 30 10:34:32 <timeless> can i pull in stuff from diablo extras?
Jan 30 10:34:43 <StsN800> at gfs master thesis defense waiting for her outside:)
Jan 30 10:34:46 <yerga> X-Fade, could you look that rss feed from my blog is in the planet?
Jan 30 10:35:04 <StsN800> timeless, some might work some not
Jan 30 10:35:08 <X-Fade> yerga: I see your post?
Jan 30 10:35:18 <jaem> hello all
Jan 30 10:35:35 <yerga> X-Fade, yeah, it post shouldn't be in the planet
Jan 30 10:36:13 <X-Fade> yerga: You can see the url we use in the subscribtions column..
Jan 30 10:36:42 <yerga> X-Fade, ah thanks!
Jan 30 10:36:47 <timeless> lol
Jan 30 10:36:56 <timeless> apt-worker: too weak to get lock from 2735
Jan 30 10:37:04 <jaem> haha
Jan 30 10:37:12 <jaem> apt-crowbar?
Jan 30 10:37:16 <jaem> apt-thermite?
Jan 30 10:37:17 <jaem> much better
Jan 30 10:37:41 <RST38h> Sts: What is the topic?
Jan 30 10:38:07 <StsN800> RST38h, of?
Jan 30 10:38:22 <X-Fade> yerga: http://yerga.freehostia.com/blog/wp-rss2.php?cat=3
Jan 30 10:38:43 <RST38h> Sts: the master thesis
Jan 30 10:39:17 <yerga> X-Fade, yes, it's some problem in my part, it's redirected to the general feed
Jan 30 10:40:00 <StsN800> RST38h, migration from poland to old eu member states and effect of this on national labour market, economy .. i thnk
Jan 30 10:40:33 <yerga> X-Fade, I'll fix it before of shooting the planet with posts about cooking ;)
Jan 30 10:40:37 <RST38h> Sts: Heh
Jan 30 10:40:45 <X-Fade> yerga: Heh ;)
Jan 30 10:41:14 <StsN800> when done she'll have two masters degrees:)
Jan 30 10:41:36 <timeless> ok, killing the bogus lock fixed my catalog list
Jan 30 10:42:19 <jaem> I've discovered the true beauty of Linux
Jan 30 10:42:21 <StsN800> interesting
Jan 30 10:42:26 <jaem> ...cron job'd pizza ordering
Jan 30 10:43:04 <jaem> or maybe that's just me being bored without my N810
Jan 30 10:43:14 <StsN800> jaem, now think p
Jan 30 10:43:16 <StsN800> nm
Jan 30 10:43:16 <RST38h> jaem: Is it gonna pay and eat the ordered pizza too?
Jan 30 10:43:31 <jaem> RST38h: the site has to have your credit card number
Jan 30 10:43:47 <jaem> and it's only Domino's Pizza (wherever that may be aside from Canada/US)
Jan 30 10:43:58 <jaem> but ArchLinux has a package for CLI pizza ordering
Jan 30 10:44:05 <RST38h> umgh
Jan 30 10:45:18 <jaem> I don't have a credit card, but I'm tempted to configure it, just so I have a ~/.pizza_partyrc
Jan 30 10:46:01 <timeless> hrm
Jan 30 10:46:13 <timeless> someone should fix XChat to appear in communication or internet
Jan 30 10:47:04 <StsN800> i think it would ask if it could
Jan 30 10:47:28 <StsN800> not sure we have the menu chooser util atm
Jan 30 10:47:35 <timeless> why doesn't hildon application manager show me fennec?
Jan 30 10:47:39 <timeless> apt-cache offers it
Jan 30 10:47:57 <StsN800> user/
Jan 30 10:48:09 <timeless> mozilla.org -failed to refresh
Jan 30 10:48:50 <timeless> it's looking for binary-i386
Jan 30 10:49:05 <timeless> but mozilla.org's path is binary-x86
Jan 30 10:49:14 <StsN800> ah
Jan 30 10:49:25 <timeless> iirc that's a bug in mozilla.org's arch
Jan 30 10:49:29 <timeless> i'll file
Jan 30 10:50:22 <jaem> how's fennec coming along these days?  I haven't tried it in a while
Jan 30 10:50:57 <timeless> it's almost tolerable for basic testing (responsiveness)
Jan 30 10:51:04 <jaem> that's good
Jan 30 10:51:14 <jaem> it looked nice, but alpha1 was just painful to use
Jan 30 10:51:22 * timeless nods
Jan 30 10:51:22 <jaem> I hope they get it working nicely
Jan 30 10:51:38 <jaem> I was amused by the settings dialog
Jan 30 10:51:43 <timeless> why?
Jan 30 10:51:48 <jaem> the jokes
Jan 30 10:51:58 <jaem> you didn't notice?
Jan 30 10:52:04 <timeless> oh, phoenix had some when it first started
Jan 30 10:52:15 <timeless> cookies are delicious delicacies
Jan 30 10:52:20 <jaem> yes indeed
Jan 30 10:52:38 <jaem> I ate the last of mine this morning :(
Jan 30 10:52:54 <jaem> but I can't buy any more any time soon, because I go through a box far too fast
Jan 30 10:52:56 <jaem> lol
Jan 30 10:53:53 <timeless> http://www.squarefree.com/2004/07/24/cookies-are-no-longer-delicious-delicacies/
Jan 30 10:54:49 <timeless> https://www.squarefree.com/extensions/delicious-delicacies/
Jan 30 10:55:09 <jaem> ha
Jan 30 10:57:25 <lardman> morning all
Jan 30 10:57:41 * jaem is not sure why he chose to compile an app on his P4 that would have worked just as well compiled on his other box, and then cp'd over
Jan 30 10:57:45 <jaem> hey lardman
Jan 30 10:57:58 <lardman> hi jaem
Jan 30 10:59:34 <jaem> I'm a bit annoyed at the moment... I have to recompile VirtualBox because the Arch packager forgot to include the module I need
Jan 30 11:00:05 <jaem> I'm trying to get pfSense up and running for router awesomeness
Jan 30 11:00:31 <jaem> speaking of, does Mer run properly in VBox these days?
Jan 30 11:01:13 <Stskeeps> yup
Jan 30 11:01:18 <jaem> yay
Jan 30 11:01:19 <Jaffa> jaem: ran well last night for me :-)
Jan 30 11:01:28 <Stskeeps> did already in 0.6
Jan 30 11:01:40 <jaem> I haven't had a chance to try it yet, because my N810 died while booting it
Jan 30 11:01:45 <jaem> or immediately before
Jan 30 11:02:27 <Stskeeps> jffs or installer?
Jan 30 11:02:33 <jaem> installer
Jan 30 11:02:48 <jaem> I was wary about the jffs, given the warning, and the pre-release-ness
Jan 30 11:03:03 <jaem> I figured that if I was going to void my warranty, I probably shouldn't void it too much :P
Jan 30 11:03:06 <jaem> yet
Jan 30 11:03:17 <StsN800> understandable
Jan 30 11:03:34 <jaem> gah! my spacebar isn't working properly
Jan 30 11:03:48 <StsN800> rootfs/initfs is safe, nolo overwriting is not
Jan 30 11:03:51 <jaem> ...that might be becaues I haven't bothered putting the screws back in my kbd
Jan 30 11:04:05 <jaem> is nolo the bootloader?
Jan 30 11:04:40 <StsN800> yeah, before kernel and initfs
Jan 30 11:04:56 <jaem> okay - I'd heard it mentioned
Jan 30 11:05:22 <jaem> does it stand for anything?
Jan 30 11:06:47 <timeless> oh brother
Jan 30 11:06:51 <Stskeeps> nokia loader?:)
Jan 30 11:06:52 <timeless> they didn't build fennec ofr x86
Jan 30 11:07:02 <jaem> sts: oh, duh
Jan 30 11:07:40 <StsN800> timeless, well there's no proper x86 hildon env..
Jan 30 11:07:55 <Myrtti> nolo? it also means in Finnish http://www.sanakirja.org/search.php?q=nolo
Jan 30 11:07:59 <timeless> does the autobuilder not support it?
Jan 30 11:08:47 <jaem> Myrtti: hopefully Nokia isn't embarrassed by their bootloader ;)
Jan 30 11:09:15 <Stskeeps> mortified maybe
Jan 30 11:09:49 <Stskeeps> Myrtti: does 'mer' mean anything except for in swedish
Jan 30 11:11:53 <Stskeeps> jesus, 40 min exam so far
Jan 30 11:11:55 <timeless> "Device not locked"
Jan 30 11:11:56 * timeless grumbles
Jan 30 11:12:02 <timeless> anyone know what that means? :)
Jan 30 11:12:02 <Stskeeps> that must be brutal
Jan 30 11:12:17 <jaem> timeless: in what context?
Jan 30 11:12:23 <timeless> jaem: that's no fun
Jan 30 11:12:36 <timeless> but you saw a dialog that said 'enter lock code'
Jan 30 11:12:39 <timeless> and something happened
Jan 30 11:12:47 <timeless> now you see that as an info banner
Jan 30 11:13:11 <jaem> timeless: my brains! they be boggling!
Jan 30 11:13:34 <jaem> that was probably put in by a sadistic dev who just wanted to mess with you, personally and individually
Jan 30 11:13:37 <jaem> seriously
Jan 30 11:13:53 <timeless> would this make more sense: "Device lock not set"
Jan 30 11:14:09 <jaem> possibly
Jan 30 11:14:15 <jaem> have you set a lock code?
Jan 30 11:14:26 <timeless> it's trying to say that you decided not to set one
Jan 30 11:14:32 <timeless> and obviously it's failing miserably
Jan 30 11:18:29 <jaem> timeless: I've seen worse issues
Jan 30 11:18:33 <sandman> Does anyone have any idea as to when the next gen nokia tablet will come out?
Jan 30 11:18:40 <timeless> "Device left without lock code"
Jan 30 11:18:41 <timeless> ?
Jan 30 11:18:42 <sandman> The one that is supposedly going to use the OMAP3, etc?
Jan 30 11:18:52 <timeless> jaem: oh sure, but, strings are fixable, kinda
Jan 30 11:18:53 <jaem> like an error message in GNOME that basically said "Error: this error should not be shown in the GUI"
Jan 30 11:18:59 <timeless> lol
Jan 30 11:19:00 <jaem> true
Jan 30 11:19:16 <Jaffa> sandman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle
Jan 30 11:19:32 <jaem> I've also had an autoconf script that apparently thought it had stored a cache file in /dev/null, and was trying to retrieve it
Jan 30 11:19:38 <jaem> it had fun with that one :D
Jan 30 11:19:56 <timeless> jaffa: any thoughts on the last strings i've pasted?
Jan 30 11:21:10 <Jaffa> timeless: "Device left without lock code" - when's it appear?
Jan 30 11:21:22 <timeless> the first time you try to set the lock code
Jan 30 11:21:25 <timeless> if you cancel the dialog
Jan 30 11:21:49 <Jaffa> timeless: Or, presumably, any time you go into the dialogue box when it's not set and press cancel.
Jan 30 11:22:02 <timeless> sure
Jan 30 11:22:31 <Jaffa> timeless: "Device lock code remains unset" - all a bit fugly and clumsy
Jan 30 11:23:16 <sandman> Is the on-screen keyboard still available on the n810? I presume it is, of course
Jan 30 11:23:23 <timeless> yes
Jan 30 11:23:34 <timeless> jaffa: ok, you click the battery icon
Jan 30 11:23:37 <timeless> which is better:
Jan 30 11:23:44 <timeless> "%d days (of use)"
Jan 30 11:23:49 <timeless> "One day (in use)"
Jan 30 11:23:54 <timeless> "When in use: %d hours"
Jan 30 11:24:08 <timeless> note that i'm interested in style
Jan 30 11:24:22 <timeless> obviously people prefer 10 days of uptime under heavy use :)
Jan 30 11:24:50 <timeless> "One hour (active)"
Jan 30 11:25:15 <jaem> I'd vote for "One day (in use)"
Jan 30 11:28:29 <Jaffa> timeless: Hmm. Perhaps just "%d minutes use, %d days maximum" (or s/maximum/standby/)
Jan 30 11:28:50 <jaem> maximum seems a bit ambiguous to me
Jan 30 11:28:55 <timeless> it isn't
Jan 30 11:28:59 <timeless> i mean
Jan 30 11:29:09 <timeless> it's true in testing i once had idle time < active time
Jan 30 11:29:13 <timeless> but that was a bug :)
Jan 30 11:29:18 <timeless> it should never happen :)
Jan 30 11:30:14 <jaem> I just thought that "idle" sounds less ambiguous than "maximum", since it's the time you'll got get if it's *idle*, not just a general "best-case" under normal circumstances
Jan 30 11:30:20 <jaem> that said, it's just my two cents
Jan 30 11:31:14 <timeless> "%d minutes of use" or "%d minutes use"
Jan 30 11:31:17 <Jaffa> jaem: But what's idle? The user being idle?
Jan 30 11:31:31 <timeless> fwiw, i have 'idling' atm
Jan 30 11:31:34 <Jaffa> timeless: I'd prefer "use" to be a verb (i.e. the second), rather than the first where it's a noun.
Jan 30 11:31:36 <timeless> "%d days (idling)"
Jan 30 11:31:42 <jaem> Jaffa: I would interpret it as "the device sitting there not doing much"
Jan 30 11:32:00 <timeless> jaem: truth be told, user has no clue whether device is doing much
Jan 30 11:32:06 <jaem> fair point
Jan 30 11:32:08 <timeless> w/o my battery drain indicator
Jan 30 11:32:15 <timeless> which i haven't gotten them to impleemnt
Jan 30 11:32:21 <timeless> s/em/me
Jan 30 11:32:32 <jaem> my old English teacher has an N800... I could ask him what he thinks :D
Jan 30 11:32:37 * jaem is kidding
Jan 30 11:32:45 * timeless would really want that feedback
Jan 30 11:32:50 <jaem> seriously?
Jan 30 11:32:54 <timeless> seriously.
Jan 30 11:32:58 <jaem> I can ask him, but it's not a sane hour right now
Jan 30 11:33:03 <timeless> oh sure
Jan 30 11:33:05 <jaem> sure - I'll talk to him tomorrow
Jan 30 11:33:15 <jaem> anything else you'd like me to ask?
Jan 30 11:33:20 <timeless> anyway, i should have a package for testing in time for fosdem
Jan 30 11:33:36 <timeless> so i'm not sure how i'd want his feedback atm
Jan 30 11:33:55 <jaem> well, I'll ask him, and let you know on #maemo, when you're around
Jan 30 11:34:01 <jaem> and you can do with that what you will
Jan 30 11:34:30 <pupnik> wow, got a lock indoors with new OS
Jan 30 11:34:34 <pupnik> (!)
Jan 30 11:34:40 <timeless> jaffa: would "%d days max." be ok?
Jan 30 11:34:47 <timeless> i'd rather avoid writing out 'maximum'
Jan 30 11:36:09 <timeless> hrm
Jan 30 11:36:14 <timeless> "minutes max."
Jan 30 11:36:18 <timeless> looks really bad
Jan 30 11:39:58 <jaem> timeless: I sent him an e-mail - hopefully I can get back to you about that tomorrow
Jan 30 11:40:12 <timeless> or me that's ~+30h fwiw
Jan 30 11:40:51 <jaem> okay
Jan 30 11:58:20 <sandman> I don't suppose it's possible to install maemo on an iPod touch, is it
Jan 30 11:59:58 <Jaffa> sandman: No, it's not.
Jan 30 12:00:19 <Jaffa> I suppose a jailbroken iPod Touch *may* be able to run Mer at some long distant point, but I wouldn't hold your breath
Jan 30 12:11:46 <lcuk> when you have a translation item involving parameters (like the %d days, %d minutes thing) are you forced to use the original parameter order and what happens if the language reads right in a different order?
Jan 30 12:40:27 <Jaffa> lcuk: you're screwed, which is why Java translations use numbered inserts corresponding to argumetn order, eg. {0}, {1}, {2}, ...
Jan 30 12:41:22 <zap> Anybody knows where's the mtdblock partitioning information stored? Is it possible to repartition it using different partition sizes?
Jan 30 12:42:30 <b-man|grogy> /proc/partitions, i believe
Jan 30 12:45:24 <b-man|grogy> and you can use resize2fs for filesysm resizing
Jan 30 12:46:24 <b-man|grogy> allthough i'm not shure maemo has resize2fs :P
Jan 30 12:48:49 <timeless_mer> where do i go to report bugs on xchat for maemo/mer?
Jan 30 12:50:47 <b-man|grogy> bugzilla :)
Jan 30 12:51:31 <Jaffa> b-man|grogy: who's XChat port is it?
Jan 30 12:51:32 <timeless_mer> oh, cool
Jan 30 12:52:15 <b-man|grogy> jaffa: qwerty12's, i think
Jan 30 12:52:28 <Jaffa> Ah, OK
Jan 30 12:53:32 * b-man|grogy gets some coffie
Jan 30 12:53:52 <timeless_mer> Not all paths say /home/timeless
Jan 30 12:54:47 <AndrewFBlack> Morning
Jan 30 12:55:14 <b-man|grogy> g'morning AndrewFBlack
Jan 30 13:04:10 <timeless_mer> so... the existence of an 'x' button in the bottom left of xchat is really annoying
Jan 30 13:08:38 * b-man|grogy finishes up ubuntu-rescue-menu in gimp
Jan 30 13:09:02 <AndrewFBlack> b-man|grogy,  cool
Jan 30 13:09:14 <b-man|grogy> :)
Jan 30 13:14:30 <b1ackdeath> any one have tips on how i can monitor my bandwidth over bluetooth?
Jan 30 13:20:12 <wazd> hey everybody
Jan 30 13:20:21 <StsN800> lo wazd
Jan 30 13:22:26 <StsN800> timeless, so besides the quirks mentioned, what do you think of mer so far?
Jan 30 13:22:52 <b1ackdeath> any one know a altertive for bandwidthd for the n810
Jan 30 13:39:04 <lcuk> jaffa, thanks - i didnt think it would work (ive examined tran stuff in other languages a few times)  ...  mmm actually i think i can use the numbered parameters thing for printf as well, lemme dive in
Jan 30 13:41:23 <lcuk> ahhh no tis something else
Jan 30 13:46:20 <timeless_> it's pretty good
Jan 30 13:46:31 <timeless_> that enter doesn't work on my laptop is a show stopper though...
Jan 30 13:46:57 <timeless_> and i can't find a way to trigger the power button, so i can't safely shut down
Jan 30 13:52:48 <StsN800> hehe, yeah
Jan 30 13:54:33 * johnx returns
Jan 30 13:54:58 * RST38h returns too
Jan 30 14:00:26 <RST38h> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/30/american_stereotype/ =)
Jan 30 14:01:09 <johnx> RST38h, you're right. sometimes the register does manage a redeeming article of some sort
Jan 30 14:02:53 * RST38h does wonder what the redeeming quality of this article is though =)
Jan 30 14:03:04 <johnx> it's actually funny
Jan 30 14:03:10 <RST38h> heh
Jan 30 14:03:11 <johnx> and also I get to use it at work :D
Jan 30 14:03:19 <RST38h> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh =)
Jan 30 14:03:24 <johnx> can you say "example material"?
Jan 30 14:03:34 <RST38h> johnx: Yea, I see what you mean now...
Jan 30 14:04:38 <johnx> "Tell me about this picture."
Jan 30 14:05:11 <RST38h> "What do you see on it?"
Jan 30 14:05:26 <RST38h> "Would you have a beer with this man?"
Jan 30 14:05:39 <johnx> "What would you say to start a conversation with him?"
Jan 30 14:05:58 <RST38h> johnx: That is a trick question.
Jan 30 14:06:11 <johnx> those are the best kind :)
Jan 30 14:09:39 <johnx> I'm seriously going to figure out a way to use this. It's too perfect
Jan 30 14:11:55 <RST38h> are you teaching kids or adults?
Jan 30 14:12:06 <johnx> adults of various levels
Jan 30 14:12:29 <johnx> I wouldn't spring this on an old lady or something, but I bet a college student would find this quite awesome
Jan 30 14:13:09 <RST38h> just like in anime! =)
Jan 30 14:15:26 <johnx> I guess it's important to reinforce the stereotypes I try to dissolve, every so often
Jan 30 14:16:45 <RST38h> Not all stereotypes are wrong, statistically...
Jan 30 14:17:11 <johnx> yeah, but it's important that they get the idea of thinking about things at least a little flexibly
Jan 30 14:27:06 <Stskeeps> lo johnx
Jan 30 14:27:21 <johnx> hey Stskeeps
Jan 30 14:27:29 <RST38h> johnx: btw, how are they in terms of flexible/creative thinking?
Jan 30 14:27:53 <RST38h> johnx: is it like the stereotype says or is it different?
Jan 30 14:28:10 <johnx> RST38h, everyone is different, really. You can really see the difference in the people who were raised with an emphasis on being bilingual
Jan 30 14:28:31 <RST38h> johnx: Ah
Jan 30 14:29:26 * RST38h previously noticed that just about everyone working in a university (PhD students included) has more or less the same thinking style independently of the country
Jan 30 14:29:52 <RST38h> No idea what happens once you leave the ivory tower though
Jan 30 14:30:13 * suihkulokki you are unique - just like everyone else
Jan 30 14:31:06 <johnx> I think learning a second language probably makes the biggest difference in how well a person can communicate in general
Jan 30 14:31:41 <soap> I think learning a first language helps as well.  ;)
Jan 30 14:32:08 <johnx> but that second language is what really teaches you how to *use* a second language
Jan 30 14:33:08 <johnx> grrr..."how to *use* a first language"
Jan 30 14:33:12 * johnx fails at language
Jan 30 14:33:12 <soap> it forces you to pay attention to structure and grammar, yes.
Jan 30 14:33:27 <RST38h> johnx: But probably only if you can analyze trends
Jan 30 14:33:34 <soap> because you are removed from the "learning" of hearing casual usage your entire life.
Jan 30 14:34:09 <RST38h> soap: Actually, I tried taking an English grammar class in the US, for native speakers. Couldn't figure out what is going on.
Jan 30 14:34:09 <wiza> except if the second language is english what you pretty much hear all the time :)
Jan 30 14:34:44 <wiza> well, least in software industry :p
Jan 30 14:34:52 <johnx> I'm not sure it's the analysis so much as just figuring out how to say things a different way, how to explain around something you don't know how to say
Jan 30 14:35:06 <RST38h> soap: The concepts they teach are just completley different, not the highly structured approach taught in English classes in .RU
Jan 30 14:35:30 <RST38h> soap: But they do seem to be much easier to learn if you are already speaking English though
Jan 30 14:36:28 <RST38h> johnx: That is spoken, not written English, right?
Jan 30 14:36:39 <johnx> RST38h, true
Jan 30 14:37:09 <johnx> but, spoken english is the weakness here. they get reading & writing english from grade 6 onwards
Jan 30 14:37:30 <RST38h> johnx: Ah...do they write better than they speak though?
Jan 30 14:37:40 <johnx> RST38h, yup :)
Jan 30 14:37:46 <johnx> craziness no?
Jan 30 14:37:50 <RST38h> I mean, written Japanese has nothing to do with "normal" European languages?
Jan 30 14:38:07 <Veggen> johnx: grade 6? far too late...I think they start a bit even in grade 1 or 2, here.
Jan 30 14:38:09 <RST38h> johnx: Not crazy enough but unusual
Jan 30 14:38:31 <johnx> RST38h, oh, definitely no relation at all. but they learn written english in school and never get a chance to speak it
Jan 30 14:38:49 <johnx> Veggen, the new programs starting now are starting spoken English in 1st grade
Jan 30 14:39:18 <Veggen> mmm, that's better.
Jan 30 14:39:28 <Veggen> I think we started in 3rd or 4th in my time.
Jan 30 14:39:32 <RST38h> johnx: More jobs for laid off American workers! =)
Jan 30 14:40:29 <johnx> RST38h, heh. it's weird, but I think most Americans would barely even consider moving to a different country as an option...
Jan 30 14:41:05 <RST38h> johnx: Yes, it is somewhat of a step into the open space where be dragons :)
Jan 30 14:41:27 <RST38h> johnx: Most Americans who do go outside for prolonged periods of time come back different though
Jan 30 14:41:31 <johnx> RST38h, yeah. takes someone really weird to consider it I think :D
Jan 30 14:41:46 <johnx> RST38h, oh. very much so.
Jan 30 14:41:55 <RST38h> johnx: btw, US embassies rotate employees every 3 years or so
Jan 30 14:42:03 <AndrewFBlack> I did see where Bank of america moved alot of jobs out of usa but gave the workers the chance to go and alot of them did they said the cost of living there made it where it was like the made more money
Jan 30 14:42:24 <RST38h> Andrew: Not in EU though...
Jan 30 14:42:45 <johnx> there are tiers of foreignness I think :)
Jan 30 14:42:51 <AndrewFBlack> no I think it was inda or somewhere it was part of there phone help devision
Jan 30 14:43:01 <slonopotamus> hi
Jan 30 14:43:18 * RST38h wouldn't go to India. Would go to .TW though, if needed
Jan 30 14:43:19 <johnx> AndrewFBlack,  wow...quite impressive
Jan 30 14:43:48 <johnx> I'd like to visit India for sure
Jan 30 14:44:00 <johnx> In fact there are few places that I wouldn't visit if I had the chance
Jan 30 14:44:08 <slonopotamus> where i can get mer linuxrc file?
Jan 30 14:44:14 <RST38h> johnx: Ah, visiting wuld be no problem.
Jan 30 14:44:24 <slonopotamus> if it has it :)
Jan 30 14:44:33 <RST38h> johnx: But I would be kinda afraid to live there
Jan 30 14:44:48 <johnx> slonopotamus, one sec :)
Jan 30 14:45:27 <RST38h> johnx: Take 800+m population and this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/pharmawater_india;_ylt=AjTvb3tZ_3yylM5U6885MEQDW7oF
Jan 30 14:46:00 <RST38h> johnx: Add up. Mix. Involve evolution theory.
Jan 30 14:46:19 <johnx> RST38h, yeah, In India no one has the money to cover it up...or they don't bother.
Jan 30 14:46:33 <RST38h> johnx: Oh, it is not only that
Jan 30 14:46:55 <RST38h> johnx: India is one of the largest drug producers, so the amounts of this crap will be higher
Jan 30 14:47:32 <RST38h> johnx: It has got huge population in which little microbuggers can breed freely. And it is warm and wet, ideal for disease
Jan 30 14:47:34 <slonopotamus> johnx, i'm very patient :)
Jan 30 14:47:51 <lcuk> jaffa, re your mail, how do the kinetic hildon widgets work on device - are they default upgrades for existing apps or do existing apps need to reference the new controls to make em work?
Jan 30 14:48:43 <lcuk> (or anyone else with experience of mer on 810 itself)
Jan 30 14:48:58 <johnx> slonopotamus, I believe the linuxrc is contained in the mer.tar.gz image. here it is on pastebin though: http://pastebin.ca/1322777
Jan 30 14:49:27 <johnx> lcuk, haven't run into any kinetic widgets yet
Jan 30 14:49:37 <slonopotamus> johnx, hmm... i wonder how you built image then :)
Jan 30 14:50:05 <johnx> slonopotamus, with the imager
Jan 30 14:50:32 <RST38h> johnx: on the other hand, if we do get a geniune euroamerican plague, you can be sure that it will come from a chicken or pig farm ;)
Jan 30 14:50:40 <slonopotamus> but where it took linuxrc from?
Jan 30 14:51:05 <lcuk> johnx, jaffa just posted a message on the ML mentioning about them - i gather its the ones yerga showcased, would certainly be intering to see how they "feel" on device (i asked yerge a while ago, he hadnt either)
Jan 30 14:51:56 <johnx> slonopotamus, might be included with imager. let me check
Jan 30 14:52:39 <slonopotamus> johnx, i wanna track its updates, but didn't find it on lp
Jan 30 14:54:47 <johnx> nit-bootmenu-compat
Jan 30 14:54:55 <johnx> dpkg -S /linuxrc # :)
Jan 30 14:55:02 <AndrewFBlack> I wish there was a way to make my swap bigger then 128 without moving to my SD card
Jan 30 14:55:34 <johnx> AndrewFBlack, why don't you have the GUI make a swap file, then delete the file and make a new one manually that's bigger?
Jan 30 14:55:40 <slonopotamus> johnx, thanks
Jan 30 14:55:54 <lcuk> johnx, does that work? :D
Jan 30 14:56:18 <johnx> lcuk, it's worth a try. :)
Jan 30 14:56:23 <slonopotamus> swap: just run swapon?
Jan 30 14:56:24 * lcuk thinks swap is generated by magic
Jan 30 14:56:31 <lcuk> im still used to windows i think :D
Jan 30 14:56:47 <lcuk> crap, bbl again
Jan 30 14:56:48 <slonopotamus> lcuk, swap is an empty file initially
Jan 30 14:57:11 <slonopotamus> and then swapon is run on it
Jan 30 14:57:12 <lcuk> yeah slonopotamus but i thought it was a formatted fs
Jan 30 14:57:23 <slonopotamus> lcuk, nope
Jan 30 14:57:27 <lcuk> cool :)
Jan 30 14:57:33 <johnx> slonopotamus, you're forgetting a step :P
Jan 30 14:57:37 <johnx> mkswap /my-swap-file
Jan 30 14:57:48 <lcuk> there is so many little things to learn :)
Jan 30 14:57:50 <johnx> or mkswap /dev/hda6
Jan 30 14:57:50 <slonopotamus> johnx, hmm... ok
Jan 30 14:57:50 <lcuk> bbl
Jan 30 14:58:09 <AndrewFBlack> johnx how do I do that?
Jan 30 14:58:59 <slonopotamus> johnx, i think that just sets some magic bit, so you can't swapon on a useful file and corrupt it
Jan 30 14:59:34 <johnx> slonopotamus, yeah, but it's not 'just an empty file.' It's some marked file at least
Jan 30 14:59:38 <johnx> AndrewFBlack, one sec :)
Jan 30 15:00:48 <lcuk> apt-get install strength
Jan 30 15:01:14 <johnx> you need to first create an empty file of the right size: dd if=/dev/zero of=/my-swap-file count=256 bs=1M
Jan 30 15:01:27 <johnx> mkswap /my-swap-file
Jan 30 15:02:04 <johnx> but keep in mind you should be doing this to the file that the UI creates. I think this should be just fine...it doesn't regenerate the file on every reboot
Jan 30 15:03:27 <johnx> ~lart fremantle gtk or hildon for removing the cancel button from dialogs automagically
Jan 30 15:03:27 * infobot whips out a sword and chops fremantle gtk or hildon in half for removing the cancel button from dialogs automagically
Jan 30 15:05:21 <lcuk> johnx, really?
Jan 30 15:05:30 <johnx> seems so
Jan 30 15:05:32 <slonopotamus> hmm
Jan 30 15:05:34 <lcuk> i tohught you made your own screens
Jan 30 15:05:35 <johnx> only in certain cases I think
Jan 30 15:05:58 <slonopotamus> i use swapon on a separate sd card
Jan 30 15:06:11 <johnx> lcuk, well, in some cases it's definitely dropping the cancel button...
Jan 30 15:06:50 <lcuk> booo hiss
Jan 30 15:07:24 * slonopotamus gets his hands dirty with linuxrc magic
Jan 30 15:07:32 <johnx> AndrewFBlack, to create a blank file: dd if=/dev/zero of=./my-swap-file count=256 bs=1M
Jan 30 15:08:06 <johnx> lcuk, yeah, I'm not amused either. it breaks my 'use swap' 'don't use swap' dialog...
Jan 30 15:08:23 <rm_you> oh hey its a johnx/lcuk
Jan 30 15:08:27 <johnx> hey rm_you
Jan 30 15:08:42 <johnx> new mer image coming up on feb 1st :)
Jan 30 15:08:43 <lcuk> thats GNU/lcuk actually
Jan 30 15:08:50 <rm_you> you get around to doing anything on my server?
Jan 30 15:08:51 <johnx> after that we'll conscript you :)
Jan 30 15:08:51 <lcuk> :D
Jan 30 15:08:55 <rm_you> lol
Jan 30 15:09:01 <rm_you> i may have more time now...
Jan 30 15:09:08 <johnx> rm_you, ahaha. nope. I slept for 13 hours the other day and just got back from downtown
Jan 30 15:09:13 <rm_you> lol
Jan 30 15:09:30 <lcuk> i can has sleep too?
Jan 30 15:09:33 <rm_you> well have fun whenever you do it... i gotta run to class now unfortunately :(
Jan 30 15:09:38 <rm_you> lcuk: ya rly
Jan 30 15:09:47 <rm_you> i'm back to getting 6 hours
Jan 30 15:09:53 <rm_you> i guess that's not horrible...
Jan 30 15:09:57 <rm_you> anyway, LATER! :)
Jan 30 15:10:01 <lcuk> :D its caturday tomorrow
Jan 30 15:10:38 <AStorm> yeah!
Jan 30 15:10:46 <AStorm> moar cheezeburgerz
Jan 30 15:11:00 <lcuk> moar sleepinz
Jan 30 15:11:05 <AStorm> that too
Jan 30 15:11:14 <lcuk> then bacon :D
Jan 30 15:11:35 <lcuk> i have barely slept this week, i need to hibernate
Jan 30 15:11:58 <johnx> lcuk, yeah, felt that the other day
Jan 30 15:14:45 <sisto> where can you buy a microsd to minisd adapter?
Jan 30 15:15:05 <AStorm> lcuk: :>
Jan 30 15:15:15 <johnx> sisto, locally or over the internet?
Jan 30 15:15:34 <sisto> preferably in NYC?
Jan 30 15:15:35 <AndrewFBlack> wish there was a way to move Wayfinder maps to external card so I can swap that card out when I need the maps
Jan 30 15:15:52 <sisto> otherwise on the internet
Jan 30 15:16:23 <sisto> microsd cards seem to only come with SD adapters
Jan 30 15:17:12 <AndrewFBlack> sams club sells there micro sd card with mini and full adapters if you just need adapter 1gb micro card is only $9
Jan 30 15:19:10 <sisto> AndrewFBlack: thanks!
Jan 30 15:19:52 <AndrewFBlack> I have about half a dozen from the cards I have goten
Jan 30 15:21:25 <Grackle> http://code.google.com/p/blackgold/issues/detail?id=3 For your amusement.
Jan 30 15:23:50 <AndrewFBlack> johnx,  do I need to get root to make that file?
Jan 30 15:24:54 <johnx> AndrewFBlack, yes. but more importantly you need to find what file it is that the GUI makes when you enable swap
Jan 30 15:25:20 <AndrewFBlack> how do I find that out?
Jan 30 15:25:30 <qwerty12> /media/mmc2/.swap
Jan 30 15:25:31 <johnx> look on your SD card for it
Jan 30 15:27:40 <AndrewFBlack> so I would change my-swap-file with the name of the swap file?
Jan 30 15:28:29 <johnx> right, but first you should run: swapoff /media/mmc2/.swap
Jan 30 15:29:12 <AndrewFBlack> ok got that part done
Jan 30 15:29:48 <AndrewFBlack> what do I change to tell it how big to make the file?
Jan 30 15:30:01 <johnx> you change the '256' to the size in MB
Jan 30 15:30:36 <AndrewFBlack> whats a good size to make it?
Jan 30 15:30:55 <johnx> really, i'm surprised you're going through 128MB of swap
Jan 30 15:31:03 <johnx> Are you sure that's the problem in the first place?
Jan 30 15:31:18 <AndrewFBlack> not really but I tend to lock my tablet up alot
Jan 30 15:31:18 <johnx> if you really are running out of swap though, then maybe upping it to 256 would be a good start
Jan 30 15:31:28 <johnx> ah, not necessarily out of memory
Jan 30 15:31:44 <lcuk> johnx, some ummm special sites have problems with lots of large images
Jan 30 15:31:55 <qwerty12> To get a 256MB swap file: swapoff /media/mmc2/.swap ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/.swap bs=1024 count=256000 ; mkswap /media/mmc2/.swap ; swapon /media/mmc2/.swap
Jan 30 15:31:56 <AndrewFBlack> it might not be I just thought it was worth a try
Jan 30 15:32:07 <lcuk> AndrewFBlack, whats your problem?
Jan 30 15:32:42 <AndrewFBlack> my tablet runs slow all the time and I lock it up atleast once a day while running several windows of browser or other programs
Jan 30 15:32:51 <AndrewFBlack> I might just be maxing out the processor not sure
Jan 30 15:33:10 <johnx> nah, you're probably right about memory :)
Jan 30 15:33:21 <johnx> do what qwerty12 said :)
Jan 30 15:33:25 <AndrewFBlack> ok
Jan 30 15:36:58 <AndrewFBlack> opps forgot  a 0 first try lol
Jan 30 15:39:47 <AndrewFBlack> I wonder if i need to reflash there are days when the first bar on the Load Applet will be maxed out for a while but when I look at processes running I can't find anything using high %
Jan 30 15:41:36 <AndrewFBlack> now just hope I can fit my wayfinder maps back on there
Jan 30 15:45:47 <RST38h> Andrew: install and run htop
Jan 30 15:46:21 <RST38h> Andrew: make sure you run it in a large window over ssh connection, to get better view of the cf
Jan 30 15:48:49 <wazd_n800> woah, freenode is 12
Jan 30 15:48:57 <wazd_n800> 15 years
Jan 30 15:49:53 <wazd_n800> I was in the kindergarden when it started to worrk)
Jan 30 15:50:01 <StsN800> 94? eh
Jan 30 15:51:02 <StsN800> it started as a channel
Jan 30 15:51:15 <AndrewFBlack> RST38h, I installed it but how do I run it
Jan 30 15:52:39 <qwerty12> Any way of verifying if a binary uses maemo-launcher?
Jan 30 15:53:05 <qwerty12> Bollocks, figured it out.
Jan 30 15:53:16 <lardman> interesting method...
Jan 30 15:54:06 <RST38h> Andrew: "htop" form a terminal
Jan 30 15:54:31 * RST38h once again feels himself an old fart
Jan 30 15:54:44 <AndrewFBlack> got it running
Jan 30 15:59:11 <T3rmInAt0r> Hi guys, I would need some help
Jan 30 15:59:28 <T3rmInAt0r> How may I start building deb files for maemo?
Jan 30 15:59:38 <T3rmInAt0r> (I downloaded the vmware version)
Jan 30 15:59:45 <T3rmInAt0r> (of scratchbox)
Jan 30 15:59:53 <T3rmInAt0r> any tutorials?
Jan 30 15:59:59 <brad10432> can someone help me port vnstat
Jan 30 16:00:06 <T3rmInAt0r> (I can't find anything useful on google)
Jan 30 16:00:27 <slonopotamus> johnx, and what do you do to satisfy watchdog?
Jan 30 16:00:40 <qwerty12> Feed it?
Jan 30 16:00:57 <johnx> kick it
Jan 30 16:01:02 <slonopotamus> johnx, just point me to right package :)
Jan 30 16:01:14 <qwerty12> johnx, bad man.
Jan 30 16:01:19 <johnx> we leave stuff in initfs running
Jan 30 16:01:45 <johnx> there's a way to kick it through some interface in sys but I don't remember right now
Jan 30 16:01:56 <johnx> and I'm cleaning up my apartment right now :)
Jan 30 16:02:07 <slonopotamus> i see
Jan 30 16:02:25 <qwerty12> /sys/devices/platform/retu-watchdog/period?
Jan 30 16:03:13 * qwerty12 smiles in glee as he gets epdfview working with maemo-launcher. He also remembers to run automake as well as autoconf next time.
Jan 30 16:05:12 <slonopotamus> 63
Jan 30 16:05:15 <slonopotamus> hmm
Jan 30 16:05:16 <slonopotamus> why not 42?
Jan 30 16:05:16 <brad10432> can any one help me get vnstat working http://packages.debian.org/lenny/armel/vnstat
Jan 30 16:05:31 <slonopotamus> that would have some logic at least
Jan 30 16:05:53 <qwerty12> A lot of decisions by Nokia don't have logic behind them, why would this one be different? :)
Jan 30 16:06:53 <slonopotamus> qwerty12, heh. they're like ubuntu. maniacal patchers of everything
Jan 30 16:07:13 <qwerty12> hehe
Jan 30 16:07:15 <slonopotamus> qwerty12, and forkers :)
Jan 30 16:07:56 <slonopotamus> why not send busybox patchees upstream? no, nokia will fork another busybox
Jan 30 16:19:18 <slonopotamus> johnx, why do you mount rootfs?
Jan 30 16:19:29 <johnx> it's a remount isn't it?
Jan 30 16:19:57 <slonopotamus> oh, it's commented out
Jan 30 16:20:14 <johnx> honestly Stskeeps did the linuxrc stuff. I handled things ... differently ... in debian when I was doing that
Jan 30 16:20:38 <Stskeeps> it's a hack :P
Jan 30 16:21:14 <slonopotamus> crazy stuff
Jan 30 16:21:14 <slonopotamus> chroot ${INITFS} /bin/mount -n -t proc none /proc
Jan 30 16:21:24 <slonopotamus> you mount prooc inside initfs?
Jan 30 16:21:55 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 30 16:22:03 <Stskeeps> to be able to use the initfs stuff
Jan 30 16:22:22 <slonopotamus> hmm
Jan 30 16:22:28 <slonopotamus> like what?
Jan 30 16:22:49 <slonopotamus> maemo doesn't do that and is happy
Jan 30 16:23:28 <Stskeeps> which are you looking at, linuxrc?
Jan 30 16:23:45 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: linuxrc is second half of linuxrc in initfs
Jan 30 16:23:47 <slonopotamus> nope, tablet-init
Jan 30 16:23:50 <Stskeeps> ah
Jan 30 16:23:56 <Stskeeps> tablet-init is a bit wrong
Jan 30 16:24:12 <RST38h> Alaska's volcanoes are not like Hawaii's. 'Most of them don't put out the red river of lava,' said the observatory's John Power. Instead, they typically explode and shoot ash 30,000 to 50,000 feet high  more than nine miles  into the jet stream
Jan 30 16:24:15 <Stskeeps> don't use it as reference, slonopotamus
Jan 30 16:24:22 <Stskeeps> (it doesn't work currently)
Jan 30 16:24:24 <slonopotamus> i understand linuxrc. it doesn't do anything bad :)
Jan 30 16:24:25 <RST38h> Suprisingly, it is not DailyRotten but Slashdot
Jan 30 16:24:31 <slonopotamus> hehe
Jan 30 16:25:25 <slonopotamus> hmm
Jan 30 16:25:35 <slonopotamus> you do not use tablet-init?
Jan 30 16:25:44 <slonopotamus> they both call /sbin/init
Jan 30 16:25:49 <Stskeeps> we -will- but tablet-init is for kernel going straight to rootfs
Jan 30 16:25:51 <Stskeeps> without initfs
Jan 30 16:25:57 <Stskeeps> a temporary hack
Jan 30 16:25:59 <slonopotamus> don't tell me you have two inits
Jan 30 16:26:19 <Stskeeps> we sadly have to as upstart may fuck up long enough till watchdog expires
Jan 30 16:26:36 <slonopotamus> hmm
Jan 30 16:26:40 <Stskeeps> so we want to start DSME and such early enough and set time
Jan 30 16:26:43 <Stskeeps> it's not pretty
Jan 30 16:26:51 <Stskeeps> and not the permanent
Jan 30 16:27:18 <slonopotamus> what stops watchdog from killing device while we are in bootmenu?
Jan 30 16:27:30 <Stskeeps> dsme has started at that point
Jan 30 16:27:55 <slonopotamus> why do you need to start it again?
Jan 30 16:28:22 <qwerty12> No, dsme is not running at bootmenu time because the tablet gets shut off after 4 mins in usbnet mode
Jan 30 16:28:36 <slonopotamus> 4 mins != 63
Jan 30 16:28:43 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: eh?
Jan 30 16:28:59 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, without rd-mode enabled, the tablet does get shut off after about 4 mins.
Jan 30 16:28:59 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: that's the --root-mounted stuff
Jan 30 16:29:04 <Stskeeps> not hw wd
Jan 30 16:29:06 <slonopotamus> crazy stuff :)
Jan 30 16:30:12 <slonopotamus> i don't understand this crazy stuff :)
Jan 30 16:30:23 <qwerty12> So don't I evidently :)
Jan 30 16:30:46 <slonopotamus> does watchdog reboot tablet when in bootmenu or not?
Jan 30 16:30:53 <johnx> ahaha...I totally didn't understand it even when making debian boot for the first time :)
Jan 30 16:31:31 <slonopotamus> if not, then why it starts wanting to reboot later?
Jan 30 16:32:50 <Stskeeps> anyway. the DSME source code is out
Jan 30 16:32:52 <Stskeeps> go look at it!
Jan 30 16:32:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 30 16:33:04 <slonopotamus> :(
Jan 30 16:33:09 <slonopotamus> you're evil
Jan 30 16:33:16 <r2d2rogers> Should I have to add anything to get the wifi driver to load on boot on the 770/mer
Jan 30 16:33:31 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: no, hal will prolly help with it
Jan 30 16:33:40 <slonopotamus> heck, i'm just poor java programmer :)
Jan 30 16:35:13 <slonopotamus> does dsme do anything useful at all? :) or it is possible to be happy without it?
Jan 30 16:35:23 <Stskeeps> yes, hw wd and thermal checks etc
Jan 30 16:35:42 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: isn't hal running already?
Jan 30 16:35:46 <qwerty12> If I'm setting the hildon input mode for a password entry box to be HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_INVISIBLE, do I need to specify another mode to go with it?
Jan 30 16:36:27 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: well, does modprobe work?
Jan 30 16:36:43 <slonopotamus> dsmetool looks like ugly start-stop-daemon replacement + renice functionality. am i right?
Jan 30 16:37:04 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: yup
Jan 30 16:37:05 <slonopotamus> hw wd - ?
Jan 30 16:37:12 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: hardware watchdog kicker
Jan 30 16:37:13 <slonopotamus> ah
Jan 30 16:37:19 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: hmm, should modprobe then
Jan 30 16:37:28 <Stskeeps> i think
Jan 30 16:37:54 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, ok. but there isn't watchdog during bootmenu? :)
Jan 30 16:38:28 <slonopotamus> thermal... heh. anyone got his tablet turned off because of hot?
Jan 30 16:39:20 <Stskeeps> it is possible if wifi gets really warm
Jan 30 16:40:06 <slonopotamus> did you have that?
Jan 30 16:40:19 <Stskeeps> possible
Jan 30 16:40:40 <slonopotamus> you do not answer my answer :)
Jan 30 16:41:05 <slonopotamus> err... my question :)
Jan 30 16:41:48 <slonopotamus> hmm...
Jan 30 16:42:05 <slonopotamus> i know what inits watchdog
Jan 30 16:42:18 <slonopotamus> /usr/sbin/kicker in initfs
Jan 30 16:42:26 <Stskeeps> it kicks dsme
Jan 30 16:42:45 <slonopotamus> omg
Jan 30 16:42:53 <Stskeeps> there's a wide range of WDs really
Jan 30 16:43:00 <slonopotamus> who kills who? you messed up
Jan 30 16:43:13 <Stskeeps> there's SW and HW watchdog
Jan 30 16:43:23 <slonopotamus> do i need them enabled?
Jan 30 16:43:59 <slonopotamus> i don't wannt them
Jan 30 16:44:21 <slonopotamus> they shut down my tablet when they want it, not when i want
Jan 30 16:44:58 <slonopotamus> hw watchdog... i don't believe in it :)
Jan 30 16:45:44 <Stskeeps> it's that or popping battery constantly or potentially run down your battery fatally
Jan 30 16:47:05 <slonopotamus> ok, but that stuff doesn't require any software assistance, no? low battery - so what, poweroff
Jan 30 16:47:55 <slonopotamus> of course software could monitor power level and gracefully shutdown earlier
Jan 30 16:49:58 <slonopotamus> i bet _you_ start 63 wd when do --root-mounted
Jan 30 16:50:05 <slonopotamus> hehe
Jan 30 16:50:11 <slonopotamus> that will be funny
Jan 30 16:51:39 <slonopotamus> will open boot menu and wait. if it doesn't turn off they i don't need dsme at all
Jan 30 16:53:55 <crashanddie> slonopotamus: drugs are bad
Jan 30 16:54:17 <slonopotamus> crashanddie, uh?
Jan 30 16:55:27 <slonopotamus> gone for testing wd, see ya later
Jan 30 17:00:59 <herz1> has maemo.org just died?
Jan 30 17:01:16 <qwerty12> nope
Jan 30 17:01:20 <johnx> just slow
Jan 30 17:01:34 <johnx> though I've been having DNS problems for a while
Jan 30 17:01:52 <johnx> is that DDoS against Network Solutions still going on?
Jan 30 17:04:13 <slonopotamus> hmm
Jan 30 17:04:25 <slonopotamus> turned off after 4 minutes
Jan 30 17:05:12 <slonopotamus> ~curse the bad thing that turned it off
Jan 30 17:05:14 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, the bad thing that turned it off !
Jan 30 17:05:17 <AStorm> hey guys
Jan 30 17:05:31 <AStorm> I need a nice screenshot app for a lot of screenshots
Jan 30 17:05:37 <AStorm> easy to launch
Jan 30 17:07:05 <slonopotamus> AStorm, osso-statusbar-cpu?
Jan 30 17:07:09 * Stskeeps notes that facebook cheats you so much when asking to switch your relationship status that the other person needs to confirm
Jan 30 17:07:13 <Stskeeps> it switches without asking :>
Jan 30 17:07:17 <AStorm> slonopotamus: did I mention simple to run?
Jan 30 17:07:18 <Stskeeps> AStorm: load-applet
Jan 30 17:07:26 <AStorm> no, too hard
Jan 30 17:07:36 <AStorm> more like, press a button and have a screen
Jan 30 17:08:36 <slonopotamus> AStorm, press menu item and have a screen :)
Jan 30 17:08:41 <AStorm> too hard!
Jan 30 17:09:15 <johnx> AStorm, sounds like you need to write one yourself :)
Jan 30 17:09:42 <AStorm> heck, any "key launcher" + scrot util... please?
Jan 30 17:09:43 <slonopotamus> you need 'think about it and have a screen'?
Jan 30 17:10:07 <lcuk> astorm, i had the same problem (well mine was a bit more technical) liqbase does screenshots when you press fullscreen now :D its *too* easy, needs to be something similar for normal system (maybe with a bit more of a key combo
Jan 30 17:10:26 <johnx> AStorm, how about something you can ssh in and run from the command line?
Jan 30 17:11:09 <AStorm> ...
Jan 30 17:11:18 <AStorm> scrot would work
Jan 30 17:11:28 <AStorm> even imagemagick
Jan 30 17:11:39 <AStorm> but still need an actual app to launch it by pressing a key
Jan 30 17:11:39 <johnx> I use xwd in mer
Jan 30 17:11:55 <johnx> no idea about that kind of stuff since I have an n800
Jan 30 17:12:02 <johnx> all my keys are pretty busy :)
Jan 30 17:13:31 <AStorm> uhh
Jan 30 17:13:35 <Stskeeps> evening zenvoid
Jan 30 17:13:37 <AStorm> even a dpad enter
Jan 30 17:15:13 <johnx> AStorm, problem is that the focused app will get it. I wonder if our version of matchbox supports keyboard shortcuts...
Jan 30 17:15:23 <AStorm> hmmh
Jan 30 17:15:33 <AStorm> what about grabbing it from X directly?
Jan 30 17:15:43 <AStorm> you can do that with mouse, why not with keyboard?
Jan 30 17:15:45 <AStorm> :P
Jan 30 17:16:37 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: Hi, if you see opengeekv2 online, can you please tell him that I'm creating system sounds?
Jan 30 17:17:10 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: yep, sure
Jan 30 17:17:34 <Stskeeps> if you want you can probably take responsibility for the item and manage that part
Jan 30 17:18:16 <Stskeeps> to move it ahead
Jan 30 17:18:16 <zenvoid> uggg... I hate the word "responsability" :-)
Jan 30 17:18:22 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jan 30 17:18:31 <Stskeeps> whatever word fits :)
Jan 30 17:18:55 <zenvoid> just trying to do them ;-)
Jan 30 17:19:22 <lardman> Jaffa: any resolution?
Jan 30 17:20:43 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: I've copied the wavs to /usr/share/sounds in a normal maemo diablo, and I'm very happy with them, in fact like them more than the standard ones :)
Jan 30 17:20:54 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: for now commitments aren't that formal other than the person has indicated he would like to move them along, or something, i guess :P
Jan 30 17:22:22 <zenvoid> if anyone want to try, just backup your /usr/share/sounds dir and overwrite with this: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/sounds/
Jan 30 17:22:32 <zenvoid> ui-*.wav
Jan 30 17:23:08 <zenvoid> (have changed since yesterday, so download again)
Jan 30 17:23:17 <qwerty12> AStorm, do you have an aversion to dirty hacks?
Jan 30 17:24:37 <AStorm> qwerty12: not now
Jan 30 17:24:44 <AStorm> because I need to make a ton of screenshots
Jan 30 17:24:52 <AStorm> and I do mean *need*
Jan 30 17:25:04 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: all sounds are original, either synthesized from scratch or recorded in my personal sound studio
Jan 30 17:25:23 <AndrewFBlack> why whats that link called where you link on folder to another?
Jan 30 17:25:28 <lcuk> astorm, theres a vnc recorder somewhere
Jan 30 17:27:16 <qwerty12> AStorm, In gconf, change /apps/osso/keybindings/global/osso-global-search to the button you want to map the screenshot function to (I chose "left" for testing). After that, mv /usr/bin/osso-global-search /usr/bin/osso-global-search1 and then vi /usr/bin/osso-global-search and make a script that runs your favourite screenshot app (for me, it was "fbgrab /media/mmc2/`echo $RANDOM`.png") and chmod +x it
Jan 30 17:27:21 <AStorm> lcuk: uhhh
Jan 30 17:27:25 <AStorm> vnc on n810?
Jan 30 17:27:31 <qwerty12> When you press the button assigned, it will run the command in that script
Jan 30 17:27:43 <AStorm> qwerty12: thanks!
Jan 30 17:27:51 <AStorm> do we have a build of scrot?
Jan 30 17:28:03 <qwerty12> Coming up, my sbox is idle :)
Jan 30 17:32:40 <qwerty12> AStorm, http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/swagga/
Jan 30 17:33:05 <AStorm> qwerty12: btw, care to share your way of setting up sbox? (v1 or v2?)
Jan 30 17:33:29 <qwerty12> AStorm, I'm on Ubuntu so the script does the work for me :)
Jan 30 17:33:42 <AStorm> ahh
Jan 30 17:33:55 <AStorm> I'm going to grab a beefy laptop with VT
Jan 30 17:34:03 <AStorm> so might as well run Ubuntu in a kvm
Jan 30 17:38:40 <wazd> battery low sound is total overkill xD
Jan 30 17:39:13 <wazd> It's like "you'll be dead soon" :)
Jan 30 17:39:48 <zenvoid> haha, it was just my intention :)
Jan 30 17:40:57 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: I'm unable to post to jaiku mer channel
Jan 30 17:41:37 <lardman> I've got a gstreamer image sink widget in a notebook, after I change tab the image vanishes, any thoughts as to what I've setup wrongly?
Jan 30 17:41:41 <wazd> And there's no connection with Mer thematics
Jan 30 17:41:51 <wazd> Like sea or water
Jan 30 17:41:55 <wazd> or something else
Jan 30 17:42:15 <wazd> I thought sounds to be smooth, calm :)
Jan 30 17:43:35 <johnx> sounds like we should have more than one sound theme :)
Jan 30 17:43:54 <zenvoid> opengeekv2 was trying to record sea sounds...
Jan 30 17:44:33 <wazd> zenvoid: nice
Jan 30 17:45:17 <zenvoid> they will be probably lower quality since they will be recorded with a laptop
Jan 30 17:46:02 <zenvoid> unfortunately I can move the recording studio to the beach ;-)
Jan 30 17:46:20 <zenvoid> s/can/can't/
Jan 30 17:46:21 <infobot> zenvoid meant: unfortunately I can't move the recording studio to the beach ;-)
Jan 30 17:46:48 * zenvoid hates infobot
Jan 30 17:53:05 <AndrewFBlack> I wonder if http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXLauncher would work on tablet?
Jan 30 17:55:01 <johnx> AndrewFBlack, there should be a screenshot of it running in deblet
Jan 30 17:55:53 <AndrewFBlack> so I should be able to get it to work on easy debain as well
Jan 30 17:56:04 <johnx> yes, very likely
Jan 30 17:59:27 <ccooke> AndrewFBlack: looks like it should work
Jan 30 18:00:21 <AndrewFBlack> yeah i found some posts on it but can't find a deb for it and I suck and installing things from sources
Jan 30 18:01:02 <qwerty12> If your aim is to install this in easy debian, then apt-get install lxlauncher should work in the debian chroot
Jan 30 18:08:41 <AndrewFBlack> would I get best proformace from running Deblet or Easy Debian?
Jan 30 18:13:47 <AndrewFBlack> nice got it to work
Jan 30 18:14:02 <RST38h> Andrew: Have you resolved that 100% cpu load problem?
Jan 30 18:14:36 <AndrewFBlack> larger page file seemed to help some times i think i just have to many windows open
Jan 30 18:14:47 <AndrewFBlack> swap file I mean
Jan 30 18:15:08 * qwerty12 reprimands AndrewFBlack for thinking in windows
Jan 30 18:16:00 <AndrewFBlack> qwerty12, I can't help it windows is just to easy, I havn't been able to pry my self sway from it on my desktops/laptops
Jan 30 18:16:28 <qwerty12> hehe :p
Jan 30 18:16:34 <RST38h> Andrew: Personally, I am experiencing bad delays when scrolling in mediabox or canola
Jan 30 18:17:18 <RST38h> Andrew: 2-3 hours and the problem will resolve itself as battery runs out and windows laptop dies =)
Jan 30 18:17:38 <AndrewFBlack> RST38h, I don't use media players much mainly I surf the web but I tend to have 6 or so browers open lol
Jan 30 18:18:13 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: it messes up occasionally
Jan 30 18:18:22 <AndrewFBlack> well I have linux install on every computer I own but I just installed windows home server on my in house server and it got me hook to windows again
Jan 30 18:18:39 <qwerty12> Anyone have any examples of getting a program to run with a file when launched over DBUS (i.e opened when user pressed Open in download screen in Browser) like most cli programs do when running "program file.ext"?
Jan 30 18:19:02 <RST38h> Andrew: Should be harmless unless they are constantly running some JS
Jan 30 18:20:47 <AndrewFBlack> Normally I have itT, Gmail, and several other browers open pidgin and xchat and I seem to get alot of lag on the device I wonder if its because I havn't reflashed since i get diablo but I've been screwing with tablle talot
Jan 30 18:21:32 * Stskeeps yawns 
Jan 30 18:21:36 <lcuk> AndrewFBlack, that sounds like the windows way "I havent reformatted in a while"
Jan 30 18:22:00 <lcuk> i last installed my desktop os in 2005
Jan 30 18:22:20 <lcuk> but in your case, you might be right
Jan 30 18:22:26 <AndrewFBlack> well I've installed about 3 web servers and unstalled them, I installed rotate a few times and uninstalled them I thought that might mess it up
Jan 30 18:22:53 <lcuk> qwerty12, you mean binary execution or mime identification and "edit"
Jan 30 18:23:17 <lcuk> AndrewFBlack, do you have flash running
Jan 30 18:23:26 <lcuk> cos its a known killer on lots of tabs
Jan 30 18:23:36 <AndrewFBlack> in browers? Sometimes
Jan 30 18:23:52 <johnx> try disabling it except when you really need it
Jan 30 18:23:58 <lcuk> try disabling it for a while and see if it improves
Jan 30 18:24:00 <johnx> lots of ads use it
Jan 30 18:24:15 <AndrewFBlack> I have add block running so I don't see many adds
Jan 30 18:24:18 <AndrewFBlack> ads
Jan 30 18:24:25 <Stskeeps> johnx: how's it going?
Jan 30 18:24:38 <johnx> Stskeeps, pretty good. just building a new h-d-e and f-b-w
Jan 30 18:25:05 <johnx> then going to sleep and up early to look at robots downtown tomorrow :)
Jan 30 18:25:14 <johnx> early = weekend early = noon
Jan 30 18:25:42 <Stskeeps> alright
Jan 30 18:25:56 <Stskeeps> zenvoid: i got the #mer post
Jan 30 18:26:02 * johnx looks at the 0.7 sprint
Jan 30 18:26:23 <Stskeeps> it's looking good so far
Jan 30 18:26:42 <zenvoid> Stskeeps: oh, sorry, it was my fault, too many characters... it works ;-)
Jan 30 18:26:51 <johnx> I think I can close that top 'coral action item' in a sec :)
Jan 30 18:28:27 <Stskeeps> coral? tomato :P
Jan 30 18:28:35 <qwerty12> lcuk, thanks but I got it now :). I just need to add an handler for mime_open message :)
Jan 30 18:28:49 <johnx> Stskeeps, crappy 18bit monitor here. :P
Jan 30 18:29:03 <johnx> though I wouldn't eat a tomato that color...
Jan 30 18:29:27 <Stskeeps> true
Jan 30 18:29:50 <Stskeeps> was cursor detection added to f-b-w?
Jan 30 18:30:02 <johnx> yes, that's the latest reason for a rebuild :)
Jan 30 18:30:14 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 30 18:30:23 <johnx> I fixed swap and wallpaper and forgot it...but it's being built now
Jan 30 18:31:46 <lcuk> qwerty12, cool, keep the code in your mind when you get it - i might have a use for it later :)
Jan 30 18:31:46 <AndrewFBlack> you know whats funny is I really don't care about running debian apps I just hate the way hildon looks which is why I installed easy debian
Jan 30 18:32:03 * lcuk was just gonna get you the binary execute code
Jan 30 18:32:11 <Stskeeps> AndrewFBlack: after a while hildon makes sense on tablets though
Jan 30 18:32:11 <qwerty12> :)
Jan 30 18:32:37 <johnx> AndrewFBlack, from an aesthetic point of view or a usability point of view?
Jan 30 18:33:14 <AndrewFBlack> aestethic lol, but I think something like lxde with lxlauncher would be better then hildon in both aesthetic and usability
Jan 30 18:33:59 <johnx> AndrewFBlack, what type of situation do you use your tablet? and do you use your fingers or a stylus?
Jan 30 18:34:19 <AndrewFBlack> both but I tend to use stylus more I think
Jan 30 18:34:24 <johnx> (sorry for the 20 questions. just curious about this kind of stuff :) )
Jan 30 18:34:55 <AndrewFBlack> wife fusses at me because i keep my stylus in my mouth most of the time inbetween using it and typing
Jan 30 18:35:13 <Stskeeps> johnx: i'll quickly test f-b-w
Jan 30 18:35:21 <Stskeeps> for x86
Jan 30 18:35:27 <johnx> ah, great
Jan 30 18:36:05 <johnx> hmm...I should keep a clean x86 virtualbox image around for testing...
Jan 30 18:37:00 <Stskeeps> it makes things a hell lot easier
Jan 30 18:37:12 <Stskeeps> vmdk is good too
Jan 30 18:37:15 <Stskeeps> 182mb zipped :)
Jan 30 18:37:42 <AndrewFBlack> I guess running lxde in debian chroot shouldn't be any slower then having away to run it right on top of maemo
Jan 30 18:38:00 <Stskeeps> i would just apt-get install gdm or something and remove auto-startx :P
Jan 30 18:39:04 <Stskeeps> (.. in mer)
Jan 30 18:39:18 <Stskeeps> ow
Jan 30 18:39:22 <johnx> eep?
Jan 30 18:39:34 <Stskeeps> johnx: line 118 unterminated quoted string
Jan 30 18:39:37 <Stskeeps> in f-b-w
Jan 30 18:39:42 <johnx> aaaugh
Jan 30 18:40:07 <Stskeeps> ah.
Jan 30 18:40:09 <Stskeeps> swap detection
Jan 30 18:40:13 <Stskeeps> you rely on the machine having mmc
Jan 30 18:41:48 <Stskeeps> it fails at trying to find /dev/mmcblk?
Jan 30 18:42:38 <johnx> it shouldn't kill the script though
Jan 30 18:43:49 <johnx> hmm...I'd test but my n800 isn't charging ...
Jan 30 18:43:56 <Stskeeps> mm, i commented out the swap thing and it goes through
Jan 30 18:48:54 <johnx> nope. not the missing mmc device...just a missing "
Jan 30 18:48:57 <Stskeeps> k
Jan 30 18:51:58 <johnx> after .7 I'll change how it searches for swap to be more platform independent. any objections to it being mmc-only for 0.7?
Jan 30 18:52:11 <johnx> mainly swap is only needed for devices with 64MB of RAM
Jan 30 18:52:41 <Stskeeps> that's fine
Jan 30 19:00:53 <RST38h> Ooooohhh, finally: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/01/missile_silo_apple_logo2_01.jpg
Jan 30 19:01:51 <johnx> Who's iCBM?
Jan 30 19:02:01 <Stskeeps> commodore?
Jan 30 19:02:02 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 30 19:04:11 <Stskeeps> we so have to get OpenTTD going on Mer..
Jan 30 19:04:33 <Stskeeps> that said, i probably had quite a bit of wine tonight :P
Jan 30 19:04:42 <herz1> does anyone have issues logging in on maemo.org (eg. to add a new application)?
Jan 30 19:05:00 <johnx> Stskeeps, that'll be me tomorrow night :)
Jan 30 19:05:41 <Stskeeps> fiancée passed her masters thesis defense so :)
Jan 30 19:05:52 <johnx> ah, good news :)
Jan 30 19:06:10 <johnx> so, did she beat you to it?
Jan 30 19:06:17 <Stskeeps> yeah, she is 2 masters degrees ahead of me
Jan 30 19:06:24 <johnx> gah O_o
Jan 30 19:06:26 <johnx> insanity
Jan 30 19:06:46 <Stskeeps> sometimes i wonder how on earth i managed to get someone both cute and intelligent
Jan 30 19:06:49 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 30 19:08:49 <GAN800> Stskeeps, she's a spy.
Jan 30 19:09:02 <johnx> well, I think you're both insane, so I'm sure you'll be very happy together :)
Jan 30 19:09:02 <RST38h> johnx: Steve Jobs is probably preparing a will...of a kind
Jan 30 19:09:24 <RST38h> GAN: Spying for whom? =)
Jan 30 19:09:40 <johnx> RST38h, might not be a missile at all. Might just be his ticket off this rock to rejoin his brethren in space
Jan 30 19:10:02 <RST38h> johnx: ...who are gonna cure him and make him superhuman
Jan 30 19:10:03 <johnx> I mean that iMac 'puck' mouse should have been everyone's first clue
Jan 30 19:10:12 <RST38h> he isn't a scientolog, is he?
Jan 30 19:10:22 <wazd> Stskeeps:  fiancée <- do you have russian layout?)
Jan 30 19:10:28 <johnx> nope. probably just a scientologist
Jan 30 19:10:34 <Stskeeps> wazd: nah, dead ´
Jan 30 19:10:37 <Stskeeps> so i can do accents
Jan 30 19:10:47 <Stskeeps> (dk layout)
Jan 30 19:11:12 <wazd> Stskeeps: well, it shows é to me :)
Jan 30 19:11:19 <RST38h> wazd: He is European, American barbarians will just use "fiancee" =)
Jan 30 19:12:04 <Stskeeps> or i actually had british english and french in school
Jan 30 19:12:05 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 30 19:12:06 <slonopotamus_> what's mce?
Jan 30 19:12:34 <GAN800> machine control entity
Jan 30 19:12:59 <wazd> I don't know how to type accents so I'm a Barbarian I think xD
Jan 30 19:13:04 <slonopotamus> err... what's its main purpose?
Jan 30 19:13:20 <RST38h> johnx: Well, iMac was nothing compared to this: http://www.amazon.com/Harman-SoundSticks-II-Multimedia-Speaker/dp/B0001DBEM4/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_image_0
Jan 30 19:13:46 <RST38h> wazd: Europeans have got a special accented charset for that =)
Jan 30 19:13:51 <RST38h> cp1252 I think
Jan 30 19:13:58 <wazd> RST38h: ah)
Jan 30 19:14:01 <jaska> cp1252 is just the usual windows charset
Jan 30 19:14:27 <jaska> i never bother with accented chars beyond the finnish ä ö umlauts
Jan 30 19:14:54 <RST38h> johnx: Can you imagine all kinds of evil experiments that can be inflicted on a mac user with these?
Jan 30 19:15:08 <RST38h> jaska: not for everybody
Jan 30 19:15:12 <lcuk> meh! im too tired
Jan 30 19:15:24 <GAN800> slono, hardware control. Backlight, screen, touchscreen, keys, wifi, bt, leds.
Jan 30 19:15:26 <johnx> RST38h, subjecting them to crappy sounding music maybe? *shrugs*
Jan 30 19:15:27 <RST38h> jaska: as far as I am concerned, cp1251 is the usual
Jan 30 19:15:35 <jaska> ah.. i mix those two up
Jan 30 19:15:52 <RST38h> johnx: I can't believe that is ALL you can come up with =)
Jan 30 19:16:04 <johnx> RST38h, must be tired :P
Jan 30 19:16:04 <jaska> then again, im just a finnish barbarian :D
Jan 30 19:16:08 <RST38h> jaska: you are not
Jan 30 19:16:57 <RST38h> jaska: cp1252 is what EU generally gets. But it has no cyrillics, so most Russians (inside .RU and outside) use cp1251 instead
Jan 30 19:17:09 <slonopotamus> GAN800, via dbus?
Jan 30 19:17:46 <slonopotamus> GAN800, it is a dbus -> hardware bridge, right?
Jan 30 19:18:37 <johnx> eep...forgot build-x86 for h-d-e
Jan 30 19:18:50 <slonopotamus> RST38h, russians use unicode :) only russian windows uses cp1251
Jan 30 19:18:53 <johnx> luckily I was only competing for builder time with myself
Jan 30 19:19:16 <RST38h> slono: Even in the Unix console? :)
Jan 30 19:19:27 <slonopotamus> uh...
Jan 30 19:19:31 <RST38h> slono: and in your filenames too? =)
Jan 30 19:19:36 * johnx uses a UTF8 console :)
Jan 30 19:19:38 <slonopotamus> unix console is a pain
Jan 30 19:19:55 <RST38h> slono: naah, you set it to koi8 or cp1251 and it works like a charm
Jan 30 19:20:21 <slonopotamus> i mean alt+f1, etc. it's 8-bit
Jan 30 19:20:50 <slonopotamus> however who uses it these days...
Jan 30 19:21:36 <slonopotamus> and if someone does (for example, if x crashed), he doesn't need russian letters
Jan 30 19:21:52 * RST38h uses it, sshing to a remote host
Jan 30 19:21:57 <RST38h> From, heh, Windows!
Jan 30 19:22:01 <slonopotamus> no-no
Jan 30 19:22:08 <johnx> RST38h, he means the actual VT
Jan 30 19:22:16 <tekonivel> it seems to me that even idle programs consume battery power on my m800, am i hallucinating
Jan 30 19:22:17 <RST38h> Ah, he means the physical console
Jan 30 19:22:17 <slonopotamus> if you're in x, then all is utf-8
Jan 30 19:22:18 <tekonivel> ?
Jan 30 19:22:21 <slonopotamus> yees
Jan 30 19:22:24 <slonopotamus> physical
Jan 30 19:22:26 <johnx> RST38h, well, not that either :P
Jan 30 19:22:30 <RST38h> tekonivel: they well may
Jan 30 19:22:47 <RST38h> slono: there are also ssh users
Jan 30 19:23:07 <tekonivel> RST38h: i left pdf reader open, and the battery seemed to be depleting quite rapidly
Jan 30 19:23:21 <johnx> I think his point is that ssh and xterm are 'terminal emulators' not actually the 'linux console'
Jan 30 19:23:24 <RST38h> tekonivel: depending on whether the program is waiting for some event *or* waiting for timer and waking up every few seconds
Jan 30 19:23:28 <slonopotamus> everything but physical console is ok with utf-8
Jan 30 19:23:28 <tekonivel> bluetooth was off (it takes quite a bit of juice)
Jan 30 19:23:39 <RST38h> johnx: doesn't matter as far as charsets are concerned
Jan 30 19:24:00 <tekonivel> RST38h: i guess the pdf reader is waiting for input events, so that might be the reason
Jan 30 19:24:24 <r2d2rogers> Anyonw know the command line command for the network connections dialog in Mer?
Jan 30 19:24:32 <slonopotamus> rst38h, it does matter
Jan 30 19:24:41 <RST38h> tekonivel: only if it does so improperly :)
Jan 30 19:24:42 <johnx> r2d2rogers, nm-applet
Jan 30 19:24:59 <johnx> ah, or the dialog itself
Jan 30 19:25:01 <johnx> one sec
Jan 30 19:25:04 <RST38h> slono: utf-8 is pretty much broken for me, even on ssh
Jan 30 19:25:08 * tekonivel better learn to shut down programs
Jan 30 19:25:21 <tekonivel> or recharge daily
Jan 30 19:25:52 <r2d2rogers> yeah the dialog...
Jan 30 19:26:05 <r2d2rogers> it's not letting my hit apply, suspectiong permissions
Jan 30 19:26:07 <johnx> r2d2rogers, nm-connection-editor
Jan 30 19:28:55 <r2d2rogers> johnx: thanks
Jan 30 19:29:04 <r2d2rogers> seeing invalid setting for wireless security
Jan 30 19:29:48 <Stskeeps> yeah
Jan 30 19:29:55 <Stskeeps> WPA patch needed probabl
Jan 30 19:29:55 <Stskeeps> y
Jan 30 19:30:06 <r2d2rogers> but I think I have wireless mostly there now
Jan 30 19:30:18 <r2d2rogers> the modules from OS2008HE DO seem to work...
Jan 30 19:30:23 <r2d2rogers> I just wasn't using them right
Jan 30 19:30:54 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: k - prolly need to compile them to add properly wireless extensions and such
Jan 30 19:30:58 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/cx3110.txt is a patch i use to get WPA and such going
Jan 30 19:32:35 <r2d2rogers> am I right in thinking I need the kernel source available also?
Jan 30 19:33:03 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, smart patch :)
Jan 30 19:33:41 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: yeah and cx3110x source :P
Jan 30 19:33:48 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: i was astonished it worked
Jan 30 19:34:03 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: I do have that <G>
Jan 30 19:34:08 <r2d2rogers> and some patches..
Jan 30 19:34:30 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, that's what they name hacking :)
Jan 30 19:34:58 <johnx> that's a patch?
Jan 30 19:35:33 <johnx> looks more like a vague suggestion...
Jan 30 19:36:07 <Stskeeps> johnx: so are patches usually
Jan 30 19:36:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 30 19:36:31 <johnx> seriously though...you can apply that with /usr/bin/patch?
Jan 30 19:36:48 <woglinde> hi
Jan 30 19:37:00 <woglinde> hm I got openjdk compiled
Jan 30 19:37:50 <Stskeeps> johnx: nah
Jan 30 19:38:05 <brdusr> please anyone can help me to flash my 810 to diablo ???
Jan 30 19:38:08 <Stskeeps> with a bit of syntax, maybe
Jan 30 19:38:11 <johnx> Stskeeps, ah, ok. I feel better about the world
Jan 30 19:38:12 <Stskeeps> ~flashing
Jan 30 19:38:14 <infobot> flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jan 30 19:38:16 <Stskeeps> -> brdusr
Jan 30 19:38:20 <brdusr> thank you
Jan 30 19:40:02 <slonopotamus> woglinde, for arm?
Jan 30 19:40:18 <brdusr> hmm cant find a step by step how to for linux any known other links ???
Jan 30 19:40:52 <Stskeeps> brdusr: that is the most preciseone..
Jan 30 19:41:03 <Stskeeps> and "???"'s are so 90's.
Jan 30 19:41:47 <brdusr> hmm yes but im using ubuntu and dont know witch tool i have to use for flashing my tablet
Jan 30 19:42:00 <qwerty12_N800> ¿¿¿'s are 2009
Jan 30 19:42:36 <johnx> brdusr, you need flasher-3.0
Jan 30 19:42:47 <johnx> there is a link on the page to download it
Jan 30 19:42:54 <brdusr> ok thank you :-)
Jan 30 19:45:10 <woglinde> ~flasher
Jan 30 19:45:11 <infobot> it has been said that flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher
Jan 30 19:45:23 <johnx> I should knock together a GUI flasher for linux based on zenity...
Jan 30 19:47:56 <lcuk> johnx, if you do, couple ot with DSL and make a mini livecd for people :)
Jan 30 19:48:12 <lcuk> tablet recovery/assistance tools
Jan 30 19:48:27 <johnx> lcuk, for people who have computers but no operating system?
Jan 30 19:48:51 <lcuk> for people who have windows but want more control than the windows flasher
Jan 30 19:49:10 <johnx> if I make a flashing 'GUI' it will do one thing: flash whatever firmware image you select
Jan 30 19:49:11 <qwerty12_N800> For people who want to use the numerous features provided by the linux flasher that are not in the windows one
Jan 30 19:49:22 <lcuk> +1
Jan 30 19:49:38 <lcuk> mind you, those people are nearly at linux on desktop stage anyway
Jan 30 19:50:06 <johnx> I don't see any reason to make a GUI to do things that people who are afraid of the command line probably shouldn't be doing..
Jan 30 19:50:10 <brdusr> OS 2008 version 5.2008.43-7 <-- is this the last stable version?
Jan 30 19:50:28 <slonopotamus> what do i need to see text console on n8x0? fb_update_mode, chvt 1?
Jan 30 19:50:35 <qwerty12_N800> brdusr, yer
Jan 30 19:50:42 <brdusr> thx :-)
Jan 30 19:50:57 <johnx> slonopotamus, and some modules. search 'remove bootsplash' on itt
Jan 30 19:51:14 <slonopotamus> johnx, k
Jan 30 19:52:06 <RST38h> slono <-- got excited by the console talk earlier =)
Jan 30 19:52:37 <slonopotamus> nope, just trying to see what my gentoo is doing
Jan 30 19:52:48 <RST38h> ah
Jan 30 19:53:25 <slonopotamus> and i think it's doing
Jan 30 19:53:59 <slonopotamus> because otherwise i'd get 'could not boot from bla-bla-bla, booting from flash' from bootmenu
Jan 30 19:54:23 <slonopotamus> too many froms...
Jan 30 19:56:31 <slonopotamus> i bet needed modules are not avaiilable in initfs :)
Jan 30 19:56:40 <johnx> correct
Jan 30 19:56:45 <johnx> need to grab them or compile them
Jan 30 19:56:46 <slonopotamus> hehe
Jan 30 19:56:48 <qwerty12_N800> nope, you add them yourself
Jan 30 19:57:20 <slonopotamus> nokia becomespredictable :)
Jan 30 19:57:40 <slonopotamus> s/becomespredictable/becomes predictable/
Jan 30 19:57:40 <infobot> slonopotamus meant: nokia becomes predictable :)
Jan 30 19:59:54 <slonopotamus> why clear screen is white, not black? :)
Jan 30 20:00:53 <slonopotamus> hmm... instead of CONFIG_FB_MANUAL_UPDATE=y i can use fb_update_mode, right?
Jan 30 20:01:05 <johnx> yes
Jan 30 20:01:07 <qwerty12_N800> yp
Jan 30 20:01:15 <qwerty12_N800> s/yp/yep/
Jan 30 20:01:15 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: yep
Jan 30 20:03:50 <brdusr> ok i download the maemo image bin file and this file: flasher-3.0.amd64 ... how i use this file, because sudo flasher-3.0.amd64 dosnt work
Jan 30 20:04:05 <qwerty12_N800> chmod +x
Jan 30 20:04:18 <brdusr> ok
Jan 30 20:04:50 <qwerty12_N800> chmod +x flasher-3.0.amd64 I guess then...
Jan 30 20:06:00 <brdusr> i make this +x but nothing runs ... command not found oO
Jan 30 20:06:15 <johnx> are you sure you're using a 64-bit linux distro?
Jan 30 20:06:22 <brdusr> shure
Jan 30 20:06:31 <qwerty12_N800> ./flasher-3.0.amd64 ?
Jan 30 20:06:37 <brdusr> ubuntu 8.10 amd64
Jan 30 20:06:51 <brdusr> oh i try it mom
Jan 30 20:07:24 <brdusr> yes it runs ... thank you ery much
Jan 30 20:07:44 <Meiz_n810> Stskeeps: sorry it took so long..
Jan 30 20:07:49 <Meiz_n810> latest mer works great
Jan 30 20:08:02 <Meiz_n810> but still no Fn key..
Jan 30 20:08:13 <slonopotamus> does it run on chvt 1 in bootmenu? x switches to chvt 2, right?
Jan 30 20:08:48 <johnx> slonopotamus, the boot messages should be on vt 1
Jan 30 20:09:24 <slonopotamus> good
Jan 30 20:09:24 <slonopotamus> looks like i groked it :)
Jan 30 20:09:39 <slonopotamus> much simpler than crazy wd stuff
Jan 30 20:10:26 <andrewfblack4>  look there is two of me :)
Jan 30 20:12:18 * RST38h waits for someone to boot FreeBSD on NIT
Jan 30 20:12:44 <johnx> RST38h, goodluckwiththat
Jan 30 20:12:54 <slonopotamus> how i put files into initfs? hack initfs_flasher?
Jan 30 20:13:14 <johnx> mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs ; cp foo /mnt/initfs/
Jan 30 20:13:26 <brdusr> witch one is the "SWAP" Button on the 810 ???
Jan 30 20:13:26 <RST38h> sorry for a possibly stupid question but can't you mount initfs image?
Jan 30 20:13:27 <johnx> might need to free some space first
Jan 30 20:13:43 <RST38h> brduser: two intersecting squares
Jan 30 20:13:45 <johnx> brdusr, the button left of the screen with two boxes
Jan 30 20:13:51 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, yes, i've done it before & made new images
Jan 30 20:13:55 <brdusr> thank you :-)
Jan 30 20:15:40 <keesj> RST38h: I colleage of mine stated porting bsd kernel to beagle
Jan 30 20:15:50 <RST38h> qwerty: If you were the one who uploaded Othello port to Extras, check that it updates all the icons properly - it shows the default icon in the menu
Jan 30 20:15:53 <brdusr> """USB device not found, waiting""" how long i have to push the swap button because nothing happens
Jan 30 20:16:02 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, not mine
Jan 30 20:16:03 <RST38h> ~10-15 seconds
Jan 30 20:16:09 <RST38h> qwerty: ok =)
Jan 30 20:16:16 <slonopotamus> johnx, cheater!
Jan 30 20:16:19 <RST38h> keesj: Yes, yessssss!
Jan 30 20:16:20 <johnx> brdusr, does it show the usb icon on the n810 screen
Jan 30 20:16:34 <brdusr> the screen is black
Jan 30 20:16:44 <johnx> brdusr, is it on?
Jan 30 20:16:56 <brdusr> no Oo
Jan 30 20:16:58 <RST38h> brdusr: something is wrong then
Jan 30 20:17:00 <RST38h> got it?
Jan 30 20:17:12 <johnx> brdusr, did you press the 'on' button?
Jan 30 20:17:36 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, you want Till Haurbaum (Master of Gizmo on itt) :)
Jan 30 20:17:40 <brdusr> no the wiki says ... push the swap button
Jan 30 20:18:07 <johnx> brdusr, "switch on your tablet while holding the..."
Jan 30 20:18:44 <brdusr> oh ok ...
Jan 30 20:19:40 <johnx> RST38h, so what are you planning to run on BSD?
Jan 30 20:19:45 <brdusr> USB device found found at bus 001, device address 013
Jan 30 20:19:45 <brdusr> Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted
Jan 30 20:19:45 <brdusr> alpha@f7:~$
Jan 30 20:19:46 <brdusr> oO
Jan 30 20:19:51 <brdusr> what happend?
Jan 30 20:19:55 <qwerty12_N800> Run with sudo
Jan 30 20:20:21 <GAN800> crashanddie's new role is the ray of sanity on the lists.
Jan 30 20:22:09 <brdusr> yes it runs :-D your all Great --- thank you so much !!!
Jan 30 20:22:28 <qwerty12_N800> no problem :)
Jan 30 20:22:36 <johnx> brdusr, glad to hear :)
Jan 30 20:24:24 <brdusr> wow realy fast ... i believed it will takes min. 30minutes but all have done ... wow
Jan 30 20:24:31 <RST38h> qwerty: thanks, I will harass them next time I see him on itt =)
Jan 30 20:24:43 * GAN800 starts stabbing people using Freemantle.
Jan 30 20:24:47 <RST38h> johnx: just want a reliable kernel and userland I am used to
Jan 30 20:25:03 * RST38h installs Elephanta on GAN800
Jan 30 20:25:06 <johnx> RST38h, so you'll just stick with command line tools?
Jan 30 20:25:22 <RST38h> johnx: Naah, it should run all the gtk stuff just fine
Jan 30 20:25:30 * qwerty12_N800 W@Nt$ f®€€M@Ntle now
Jan 30 20:25:52 <johnx> RST38h, so you're going to do the 'mer' equivalent for bsd? :D
Jan 30 20:26:08 <RST38h> johnx: I *wish* for the mer equivalent of BSD
Jan 30 20:26:23 <johnx> GAN800, just be glad they skipped Elephants and went straight for Freemantle
Jan 30 20:26:35 * GAN800 stabs johnx
Jan 30 20:26:40 <RST38h> johnx: not going to do it though, haven't slept much for the last years as things are
Jan 30 20:26:50 * RST38h likes the E-word
Jan 30 20:27:16 <johnx> RST38h, you might be pleasantly surprised with the sanity level of a very cut-down ubuntu
Jan 30 20:27:31 <lcuk> :D elephanta wouldv been a phone.  we were destined to make trunk calls with it
Jan 30 20:27:41 <johnx> gaaah
Jan 30 20:27:43 * johnx dies
Jan 30 20:29:58 <woglinde> uh
Jan 30 20:30:00 <woglinde> ./openjdk-/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-o/bin/java -version
Jan 30 20:30:00 <woglinde> java version "1.6.0_0"
Jan 30 20:30:00 <woglinde> IcedTea6 1.3.1 Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_0-b12)
Jan 30 20:30:01 <woglinde> OpenJDK Core VM (build 1.6.0_0-b12, interpreted mode)
Jan 30 20:30:08 <woglinde> sorry for spam
Jan 30 20:30:11 <johnx> very cool :)
Jan 30 20:30:18 <lcuk> thats not spam
Jan 30 20:30:22 <johnx> so what kind of apps does that get us?
Jan 30 20:30:34 <woglinde> have to test
Jan 30 20:30:40 <woglinde> whats running
Jan 30 20:30:50 <woglinde> but the jre is around 80 mb
Jan 30 20:30:57 <lcuk> why does my mind not want to work tonight
Jan 30 20:30:59 <RST38h> johnx: Ubuntu is the first Linux I can use without throwing up at regular basis
Jan 30 20:31:36 <johnx> RST38h, You'd probably really like debian in that case
Jan 30 20:31:44 <RST38h> johnx: The weird part is, I could even TELL what was wrong with each previous distribution, down to very low level detail
Jan 30 20:31:53 <RST38h> johnx: Maybe, skipped over it
Jan 30 20:32:20 <RST38h> johnx: The first one I have ever seen was RedHat (circa 1996). It paniced on failed DNS lookup =)
Jan 30 20:32:20 <johnx> RST38h, imagine a version of ubuntu that didn't get in your way quite as much
Jan 30 20:32:49 <RST38h> johnx: Ubuntu does not, I am old now, not interested in borking operating system
Jan 30 20:32:50 <johnx> sorry to any RH fans...but, every version of redhat I tried was a disaster
Jan 30 20:33:05 <RST38h> johnx: Oh, yes, RedHat fucked me up pretty consistently
Jan 30 20:33:37 <RST38h> johnx: Ate parts of my PhD thesis once (enterprise version of redhat with corporate support contract had the latest kernel that was incompatible with nfs)
Jan 30 20:33:39 <johnx> me too. I admin'ed some RHCE4 server in a past life
Jan 30 20:34:01 <RST38h> johnx: it also had 3-4 different admin toolsets, none of them usable :)
Jan 30 20:34:10 <johnx> debuntu is the only thing I've found that can apply updates sanely
Jan 30 20:34:30 <johnx> and that's really debian more than ubuntu :)
Jan 30 20:34:40 <RST38h> johnx: Now, SuSE killed my MBR once. Had to edit it MANUALLY because neither Linux nor Windows FDISK could fix it
Jan 30 20:35:03 <RST38h> johnx: SuSE installation program had a mistake
Jan 30 20:35:15 <johnx> nice
Jan 30 20:35:25 <RST38h> johnx: Also, it copied audio drivers into /tmp but did not install them
Jan 30 20:35:41 <RST38h> johnx: and required full kernel sources just to compile Hello World
Jan 30 20:35:58 <RST38h> and did not install libg++ and appropriate headers
Jan 30 20:36:00 <woglinde> rst better stay with vms
Jan 30 20:36:13 <RST38h> woglinde: VMS was ok by comparison
Jan 30 20:36:55 <RST38h> woglinde: I hope you mean the DEC VMS, not similarly named IBM abomination
Jan 30 20:37:11 <woglinde> rst I meant vms from DEC yes
Jan 30 20:37:21 <GAN800> Hi, qgil
Jan 30 20:37:23 <woglinde> from ibm i5os rockz
Jan 30 20:37:35 <RST38h> woglinde: No problem at all. A little bit weird to see version numbers in file names, but pretty decent otherwise
Jan 30 20:38:01 <RST38h> woglinde: Just in case you wonder, preceding RT-11 was also fine.
Jan 30 20:38:33 <lardman> hi qgil
Jan 30 20:38:37 <lardman> hi chaps
Jan 30 20:38:47 <RST38h> moo lardman
Jan 30 20:38:53 <lardman> moooo
Jan 30 20:38:55 <qwerty12_N800> hi lardman
Jan 30 20:39:01 <woglinde> hi lardman
Jan 30 20:39:13 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: you saying candles and n900 doens't go? ;)
Jan 30 20:39:19 <lardman> hey woglinde
Jan 30 20:39:45 <j1nyc> has anybody here tried to use Squish on the maemo?
Jan 30 20:39:47 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, well, I was thinking more about the camera...
Jan 30 20:39:53 <qgil> hi there
Jan 30 20:40:28 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: I guess that mode will disable the LEDs and shutter sounds too ;)
Jan 30 20:40:46 <qwerty12_N800> One would hope so...
Jan 30 20:41:41 <lardman> qgil: what brings you lurking here at this time of the evening? :)
Jan 30 20:41:41 <lcuk> they wanna make silent cameras illegal in america.
Jan 30 20:41:44 <johnx> j1nyc, what is squish?
Jan 30 20:41:53 <lardman> lcuk: like in Japan?
Jan 30 20:42:02 <lcuk> yeah, but i wonder how it would work in video mode
Jan 30 20:42:17 <qgil> lardman: that's a good question, as if I wouldn't have enough Maemo at this point of the week.  :)
Jan 30 20:42:24 <johnx> it just yells "I'm taking a video of yoooouuuu!" over and over
Jan 30 20:42:28 <j1nyc> johnx: squish is an automated testing tool for Qt (among other things)
Jan 30 20:42:35 <lardman> lcuk: you have the 35mm reel noise, tick-a-tick-a-tick-a-tick-a-tick
Jan 30 20:42:39 * lcuk passes out beer and BLTs to the hardworking maemo ppl
Jan 30 20:42:46 <lcuk> heh yeah
Jan 30 20:42:49 <lardman> qgil: :)
Jan 30 20:43:44 <lcuk> quim, did you ever find a movie download service you liked?
Jan 30 20:45:41 <qgil> lcuk: well, no. I gues isohunt doesn't count but I can say I tried
Jan 30 20:45:56 <qgil> public library and videoclub keeps me in the bright side, I guess
Jan 30 20:46:00 <lcuk> lol
Jan 30 20:47:20 <lcuk> :) it would be good to have a favorite movies list for us all to pitch into and send dvds around
Jan 30 20:47:35 <GAN800> Netflix is good for streaming
Jan 30 20:47:36 <qgil> I was attempting to think on how to combine the selected Fremantle Stars with http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Collaboration_infrastructure and http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26147 to create a good collaboration environment about those projects - but my brain is only useful at this point for chats and microblogging
Jan 30 20:48:36 <t_s_o> this must be a silly thing im doing, copying everything from sd card in N800 via usb onto a new, larger sd card in a usb card reader...
Jan 30 20:48:53 <lardman> use the stars to demonstrate the use of the infrastructure/community coop?
Jan 30 20:49:04 <lcuk> qgil, i was thinking of expanding slightly and collaborating with another project i feel passionately about.  the barcode application is a natural extension to having the camera on (which liqbase will do quickly and freely) im wanting to open up dev on that aspect and get the barcode app integrated
Jan 30 20:49:19 <lardman> oi!
Jan 30 20:49:28 <lcuk> its you i want as part of it! :P
Jan 30 20:49:42 <lardman> ah :)
Jan 30 20:50:00 <johnx> crisis averted!
Jan 30 20:50:06 * lardman tells broker to stop buying up shares in barcode app
Jan 30 20:50:58 <lcuk> so qgil i was already thinking about your collab stuff, ill discuss with simon and we will open up the dev properly and hopefully all learn something from it
Jan 30 20:51:46 <qgil> well, Nokia is saying that if these projects are ready they will be showcased and promoted - this doesn't happen every day and I think it might represent an interesting challenge for the fans of those projects and the free/community software in general
Jan 30 20:51:55 <lardman> well it's for all the projects really, and each will have different aspects that can have a community aspect I guess
Jan 30 20:52:02 <lcuk> yeah
Jan 30 20:52:26 * lardman notes too many aspects; don't write prose after being in the pub
Jan 30 20:53:46 <qgil> lcuk: I won't tell you anymore that perhaps you need more focus in the core of liqbase: sketch, image caption + graffitti wall + the great UI (and the online component?)wrapping this up.
Jan 30 20:54:18 <brdusr> wow much thinks to lern on this little think
Jan 30 20:54:19 * RST38h gets a feeling of deja vu
Jan 30 20:54:38 <lcuk> qgil i 100% agree and my core library is coming on really nicely  there were a lot of things which i simply could not do before which are now possible
Jan 30 20:54:39 <RST38h> Haven't I said that once? =)
Jan 30 20:54:47 <wazd> qgil: can't wait to fire ideas foe new OMWeather :)
Jan 30 20:55:08 <brdusr> how i can reach all files on the 810 over USB ??? root and other folders ???
Jan 30 20:55:32 <johnx> brdusr, no. only files on the mini sd card and 2GB 'internal card'
Jan 30 20:55:33 <qgil> btw, any media developer around with first impressions about MAFW https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/885/368/mafw-maemo-fremantle-draft.pdf ?
Jan 30 20:55:34 <woglinde> brdusr nope
Jan 30 20:55:39 <lardman> brdusr: ethernet-over-usb
Jan 30 20:55:47 <lardman> brdusr: then sftp
Jan 30 20:55:53 <woglinde> scp
Jan 30 20:56:08 <qwerty12_N800> sftp, browsing is nice.
Jan 30 20:56:18 <woglinde> I always disable sftp support on sshd
Jan 30 20:56:21 <brdusr> sftp ... ok thank you
Jan 30 20:56:25 <lardman> qgil: not a media developer, but looks nice to remove the drudgery and allow people to focus on cool features/interfaces
Jan 30 20:56:40 <woglinde> hm
Jan 30 20:56:53 <qgil> hi wazd, the omweather lovers have now the opportunity to collaborate in a community widget beating the commercial alternatives face to face
Jan 30 20:57:01 <lardman> brdusr: but you need to do some fiddling with kernel modules to get ethernet rather than mass storage - you have been warned! ;)
Jan 30 20:57:05 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: errors on trying to compile cx3110x: make: *** SUBDIRS=/usr/src/cx3110x-0.8.1/src: No such file or directory.  Stop.
Jan 30 20:57:24 <brdusr> Oô
Jan 30 20:58:08 <lardman> insmod g_ether.ko
Jan 30 20:58:22 <lardman> or rather insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/g_ether.ko
Jan 30 20:58:48 <johnx> brdusr, you can install openssh on your n810 and access files using sftp with nautilus in gnome over wifi
Jan 30 20:58:57 <brdusr> crazy :-( my ubuntu is much easyler to use LOL
Jan 30 20:59:09 <johnx> no need to mess with usb ethernet unless you want to
Jan 30 20:59:14 <lardman> brdusr: as johnx says, why not use wifi?
Jan 30 20:59:16 <qgil> and about collaboration, ITt threads are getting quite <your adjective here> these days and some people could discover that there is actually lots of fun behind project centric discussions, bugs and wiki pages
Jan 30 20:59:35 <brdusr> yes, will try the openssh and wifi stuff
Jan 30 21:01:08 <wazd> qgil: we in OMW theam were really surprised to see Foreca on Maemo. Since it's commercial app on symbian
Jan 30 21:01:09 <brdusr> now with your help i have diablo .. earlyer i got some conection problems - hope with diablo runs better
Jan 30 21:02:36 <RST38h> qgil: comment: why not use URLs to specify source addresses?
Jan 30 21:03:12 <brdusr> btw how i can share my phone contacts with the 810 ???
Jan 30 21:03:16 <wazd> The only problem of open-source weather applet is that noone wants to provide info for free
Jan 30 21:03:21 <RST38h> qgil: another comment: this wonderful framework does not specify what I should do if I just want to synthesize and play my own audio stream
Jan 30 21:03:33 <qgil> wazd: almost same here, but this is just a proof of what I wrote this morning at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-January/054090.html
Jan 30 21:03:39 <RST38h> qgil: btw, the gstreamer framework does not specify this either
Jan 30 21:03:41 <johnx> brdusr, does your phone have bluetooth?
Jan 30 21:03:44 <lardman> RST38h: you use Gstreamer still for the backend
Jan 30 21:03:54 <brdusr> yes its the 6500 slider
Jan 30 21:03:57 <RST38h> lardman: currently I have to use ESD
Jan 30 21:04:03 <RST38h> lardman: Also not documented
Jan 30 21:04:07 <johnx> brdusr, try sending the contacts via bluetooth
Jan 30 21:04:09 <lardman> RST38h: I think you can use a fakesource object
Jan 30 21:04:19 <qgil> RST38h: are you commenting about MAFW? Don't ask me since your questions will be lost behind my lack of developer skills  :)
Jan 30 21:04:21 <RST38h> lardman: there is no documentation and no examples on this
Jan 30 21:04:25 <lardman> and use that to send a buffer into the pipeline
Jan 30 21:04:40 <RST38h> qgil: You asked for comments from developers a short while ago. I provided comments.
Jan 30 21:04:45 <lardman> well, of course always room for improvement ;)
Jan 30 21:04:58 <brdusr> johnx nothing on meamo will handle it. any tools i have to install?
Jan 30 21:05:09 <qgil> RST38h: and I thank you for that!
Jan 30 21:05:11 <RST38h> lardman: Basically, I do not quite understand why all this stuff focuses on playing files
Jan 30 21:05:22 <lcuk> RST38h, headless mediaplayer
Jan 30 21:05:29 <lardman> because that's normal, generating your own isn't - be realistic
Jan 30 21:05:30 <qgil> RST38h: I didn't expect such precise comments so soon and I encourage you to submit them as enhancement requests
Jan 30 21:05:49 <RST38h> lcuk: Yea, but doesn't anyone play his/her own sound? =)
Jan 30 21:05:50 <johnx> brdusr, I don't have bt on my phone so I don't know. have you searched on internettablettalk.com/forums and wiki.maemo.org ?
Jan 30 21:06:06 <lardman> RST38h: how do you make your own sound?
Jan 30 21:06:06 <RST38h> qgil; What kind of comments do you expect at this moment?
Jan 30 21:06:19 <johnx> anyways, I'm off to sleep for now. have fun everyone :)
Jan 30 21:06:26 <brdusr> thx for the link :-)
Jan 30 21:06:27 <RST38h> lardman: for(J=0;J<SoundBufSize;++J) { do stuff;SoundBuf[J]=sample; }
Jan 30 21:06:31 <lcuk> RST38h, yeah, jagernot has his boxar thing and got quite upset about esd maybe not existing, and i couldnt do sound effects as i wanted either if it was missing
Jan 30 21:06:33 <lardman> qgil: more info on the RDS transmission/reception sw? ;)
Jan 30 21:06:34 <qgil> whether you think this is a good move, something useful, to be perhaps used... or not
Jan 30 21:06:48 <lcuk> so it effects me as well but i always thought gstreamer could technically do it as well
Jan 30 21:06:49 <brdusr> thank you johnx and good evening
Jan 30 21:06:50 <RST38h> qgil: Ok
Jan 30 21:06:56 <lardman> RST38h: fakesource should work for that afaik
Jan 30 21:06:58 <lcuk> just setup a source of random samples and let it pipe through
Jan 30 21:07:04 <RST38h> qgil: Politically, it will be used in exactly 4 applications, maybe 5.
Jan 30 21:07:13 <RST38h> qgil; These will be:
Jan 30 21:07:39 <RST38h> qgil: Nokia's own media player (or whatever becomes of it), Canola, MediaBox, 1-2 other players.
Jan 30 21:08:09 <RST38h> qgil: Outside of the media player applications this stuff is pretty useless because it serves so specific purpose
Jan 30 21:08:31 <qgil> RST38h: no 3rd party plugins for the media player?
Jan 30 21:08:41 <RST38h> qgil: Oh, this one is very important
Jan 30 21:08:44 <lcuk> RST38h, but thats a good thing, we only need 1 way to play a movie or music normally, your request is lower level and something that this library itself must also know how to do - so it wont be missing
Jan 30 21:08:49 <lardman> yeah, but we could write our own if we so desired, and indeed we could write plugins for the upcoming Nokia one (I trust, from looking at the pdf anyway)
Jan 30 21:08:58 <RST38h> qgil: The *only* plugin for the media player you are going to have is going to be mplayer
Jan 30 21:08:59 <wazd> ookay, built-in mp will be pluginable)
Jan 30 21:09:07 <wazd> General, write this down)
Jan 30 21:09:20 <lardman> RST38h: visualisation plugins, different transfer types, etc
Jan 30 21:09:26 <RST38h> qgil: It is very important that mplayer gets integrated well, either as a whole thing (less desirable) or as a bunch of decoding algorithms
Jan 30 21:09:42 <wazd> RST38h: well, DSP plugins for example
Jan 30 21:09:45 <RST38h> qgil: Outside of mplayer business, I would not expect more plugins
Jan 30 21:09:50 <qgil> RST38h: what about plugins of online services, there are some nowadays and growing in popularity
Jan 30 21:09:58 <RST38h> wazd: yes but I do sincerely hope Nokia will cover a2dp this time :)
Jan 30 21:10:01 <lcuk> +1 movie streaming from desktop
Jan 30 21:10:34 <wazd> RST38h: there can be different audio-plugins aswell
Jan 30 21:10:45 <wazd> RST38h: eq, pitchers, so on
Jan 30 21:10:52 <lardman> RST38h: it works on the n8x0, on the next gen it should be able to handle all audio as it;s mixed on the arm now
Jan 30 21:10:59 <RST38h> qgil: Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I do not think there will be too many other plugins
Jan 30 21:11:20 <RST38h> wazd: "can" and "will" are not the same
Jan 30 21:11:23 <suihkulokki> there will be the ogg plugin ;)
Jan 30 21:11:36 <woglinde> hm cool
Jan 30 21:11:45 <woglinde> I got a small java app running
Jan 30 21:11:47 <lcuk> RST38h, but for the 9999999 hello world media players out there, it makes it easy to do
Jan 30 21:11:54 <qgil> RST38h: nor I have a crystal ball
Jan 30 21:11:55 <RST38h> wazd: I am trying to estimate the coolness/effort ratio and it does not come out very high
Jan 30 21:12:01 <lardman> RST38h: there's a difference between the media player plugins and codec plugins which belong with gstreamer/openmax
Jan 30 21:12:09 <RST38h> lcuk: we really only need one
Jan 30 21:12:15 <RST38h> lcuk: good one
Jan 30 21:12:15 <suihkulokki> s/ogg/any of the 100 other marginal audio/video formats/
Jan 30 21:12:21 <lcuk> yes but its a common project for people to build
Jan 30 21:12:29 <lcuk> to cut their teeth :)
Jan 30 21:12:34 <lardman> suihkulokki: as long as there's no 16bit type on the DSP ;)
Jan 30 21:12:41 <lcuk> this library makes that easy
Jan 30 21:12:43 <lardman> s/no/not a minimum
Jan 30 21:13:14 <RST38h> qgil: well, mine are not real crystal either, but we can make an educated guess based on the past development history for nits
Jan 30 21:13:16 <qgil> RST38h: Vagalume could be a candidate
Jan 30 21:13:26 <RST38h> qgil: vagalume already works pretty well
Jan 30 21:14:01 <lcuk> lardman, this library answers my question from yesterday :)
Jan 30 21:14:05 <wazd> It's good to have 1 extendable app for all media stuff
Jan 30 21:14:12 <lardman> +1
Jan 30 21:14:21 <RST38h> wazd: obviously, no argument here
Jan 30 21:14:32 <RST38h> wazd: how many people will extend it is a different question though
Jan 30 21:14:50 <lardman> at least it lowers the bar
Jan 30 21:15:03 <RST38h> lardman: for media players yes
Jan 30 21:15:03 <wazd> not like "gmplauncher for video, kmplayer for tv, mytube for youtube, canola for hooking" and so on :)
Jan 30 21:15:08 <lcuk> RST38h, better to have it as a library, that way we can have different interfaces to best suit the device its on, and still have the same high quality performance and expected behaviour
Jan 30 21:15:12 <qgil> these days I'm thinking about how captive are all we about "the past development history for nits"
Jan 30 21:15:22 <RST38h> lardman: if you want to do anything else (simple sound recording, sound synthesis, video recording) you are still fucked.
Jan 30 21:15:29 <lardman> lol @ nits
Jan 30 21:15:39 <RST38h> qgil: it is all we have to extrapolate from
Jan 30 21:15:55 <lardman> RST38h: the lib is only for the gui and interface stuff really, the rest is still gstreamer/openmax
Jan 30 21:15:57 <qgil> well, you can see trends out there
Jan 30 21:16:12 <lcuk> RST38h, i would rather have one point of failure for all movie stuff so a bug fix if required fixes it for everything
Jan 30 21:16:12 <RST38h> lardman: everybody will be doing his own UI
Jan 30 21:16:14 <lardman> qgil: no, nits are things children get in their hair
Jan 30 21:16:27 <RST38h> lardman: you have already seen MBox, Canola UKMP etc
Jan 30 21:16:56 <lardman> RST38h: yeah, this lib is the layer under the ui - playlists, linking together sources, etc
Jan 30 21:17:00 <RST38h> lardman: UI is a vanity thing. If you are just writing plugins for somebody else's UI, there is much less ego massaging going on
Jan 30 21:17:18 <lardman> I'd prefer to write something someone will use, personally
Jan 30 21:17:24 <lardman> so plugins work for me
Jan 30 21:17:31 <wazd> RST38h: well, not everybody is hunting for ego :)
Jan 30 21:17:49 <RST38h> wazd: actually, everybody, in the OSS world
Jan 30 21:17:57 <RST38h> wazd: if it is not money, it must be ego :)
Jan 30 21:17:58 <GAN800> RST38h, just because it's the only one doesn't make it a good one. ;)
Jan 30 21:17:59 <wazd> RST38h: me not :)
Jan 30 21:18:23 <wazd> RST38h: I'm not genuine OSSer though :)
Jan 30 21:18:31 <lardman> RST38h: even if I am searching for kudos, I'd prefer it to be backend not upfront stuff
Jan 30 21:18:42 <RST38h> wazd: But you are as kind as Mother Theresa!
Jan 30 21:18:44 <lcuk> lol @ lardman bein an ass man
Jan 30 21:18:48 <lardman> just as that interests me
Jan 30 21:18:50 <lardman> oops
Jan 30 21:18:55 <RST38h> lardman: You are very special kind
Jan 30 21:18:58 <lardman> :D
Jan 30 21:19:00 * lcuk prefers boobs
Jan 30 21:19:07 <b-man> Ubuntu-omap-fb-splash and ubuntu-rescue-menu is now available; http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/ubuntu-omap-fb-splash/ubuntu-omap-fb-splash_3.7.3ubuntu1_armel.deb -- http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/ubuntu-rescue-menu/ubuntu-rescue-menu_3.7.3ubuntu1_armel.deb
Jan 30 21:19:15 <RST38h> lardman: Very few people are willing to work on the backend, even for money :)
Jan 30 21:19:21 <RST38h> too complicated, they say :)
Jan 30 21:19:33 <lcuk> some surgeons promise to
Jan 30 21:19:39 <lardman> I don't like the airy-fairy front end stuff ;)
Jan 30 21:19:55 <qgil> one potential advantage of plugins version your-own-whole-stuff is that (in principle) you save a lot of potential risk of buggy code in the lower levels
Jan 30 21:20:00 <lardman> says he drinking wine....
Jan 30 21:20:02 * lcuk is a library man himself.  i get a buzz using something ive made
Jan 30 21:20:22 <lardman> qgil: quite, building on the shoulders and all that stuff
Jan 30 21:20:23 <RST38h> Anyways, I think that this media player API, just like most media APIs before it, will have limited use for developers, but will be used in about 4-6 products
Jan 30 21:20:30 <b-man> lcuk: did you see my new rescue menu? :) http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/Ubuntu-rescue-menu.jpg
Jan 30 21:20:43 <lardman> RST38h: perhaps, yes.
Jan 30 21:20:46 <lcuk> yes b-man, i love the chunky icons :)
Jan 30 21:20:54 <lardman> RST38h: but we live in hope :)
Jan 30 21:20:55 <b-man> hehe
Jan 30 21:21:07 <RST38h> qgil: And I also absolutely insist you have simple, non-glib based APIs for simple media tasks
Jan 30 21:21:28 <lcuk> RST38h, talk to the person implementing the very low level of this library
Jan 30 21:21:32 <RST38h> qgil: stuff lke playing ring buffers, recording audio, getting frames from the camera
Jan 30 21:21:33 <lcuk> and see how they are talking to the hardware
Jan 30 21:21:39 <lcuk> and get it integrated
Jan 30 21:21:39 <qgil> RST38h: well, at last will be useful for the official media player alone - and it has served the purpose also to open the backend that actually caused some of the annoyances that made (some) developers ask for openess
Jan 30 21:21:49 <brdusr> Oo never seen this before ... is this ubuntu on internet tablet @b-man =) ?
Jan 30 21:21:58 <RST38h> qgil: yes, that is definitely true
Jan 30 21:22:24 <b-man> brdusr: yes :)
Jan 30 21:22:29 <lardman> well if people will be able to add new stuff to the built in player - file support, transfer support, etc., then it will be worth it imho
Jan 30 21:22:46 <lcuk> i agree, at first glance it looks good
Jan 30 21:22:59 <RST38h> lardman: you only want to add two things: codecs and transport protocols
Jan 30 21:23:12 <RST38h> lardman: files are already provided by gnome vfs
Jan 30 21:23:13 <qgil> it is also an easier path (for Nokia and the community) getting community plugins becoming part of the official offering
Jan 30 21:23:27 <RST38h> lardman: visualization is cool, but it is not as important as previous 2
Jan 30 21:23:38 <brdusr> ÔÔ ... cool !!! did you have any link for me to information about that? my google says nothing *g*
Jan 30 21:24:07 * b-man grabs the link
Jan 30 21:24:29 <brdusr> ahhh i see ... thank you
Jan 30 21:24:34 <qgil> but thanks for the feedback RST38h, this is exactly the kind of 'first impressions' I'm looking for
Jan 30 21:25:00 <lardman> RST38h: well I'd also like to add lyric lookups, wikipedia info about the track, etc. More metadata
Jan 30 21:25:04 <b-man> brdusr: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975
Jan 30 21:25:25 <brdusr> thx a lot :-)
Jan 30 21:25:51 <b-man> your welcome ;)
Jan 30 21:26:03 <Stskeeps> there's one specific thing i like about this channel, - it really wakes your brain up to scroll back through the talk when you've been offline
Jan 30 21:26:28 <b-man> hehe
Jan 30 21:26:59 <lardman> Stskeeps: offline?! don't you whither and die :)
Jan 30 21:27:45 <Stskeeps> lardman: fiancée home for first time in a month.. sometimes it's good to be away after doing studies, mer, work 95% of your waking hours
Jan 30 21:27:48 <Stskeeps> :P
Jan 30 21:28:02 * b-man updates ubuntu guide to include the newly released uubuntu-rescue-menu and splash
Jan 30 21:28:09 <lardman> Stskeeps: definitely, get away from irc now!
Jan 30 21:28:26 <wazd> b-man: I think Rescue-menu "reboot" row shoud be centered and lower\
Jan 30 21:28:31 <pupnik_> anybody here like "mouse on mars"?
Jan 30 21:28:39 * lardman 's fiancee is out on a girls' nght out this evening
Jan 30 21:28:40 <pupnik_> wherz lardman
Jan 30 21:28:42 <wazd> b-man: someone has already sounded it here)
Jan 30 21:28:47 <pupnik_> oh there
Jan 30 21:28:55 <lardman> hey pupnik_
Jan 30 21:28:58 <Stskeeps> lardman: hehe. gf wanted me to have my geeking time now since i spent all day supporting her before her masters thesis defense and her having guests over and everything
Jan 30 21:29:10 <pupnik_> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=nwc1s4&s=5  hey i just lugged 340 pounds of speakers into my den
Jan 30 21:29:13 <b-man> wizd: yes, i know, i'm trying to fix that
Jan 30 21:29:50 <b-man> re: wazd - sorry
Jan 30 21:29:56 <Stskeeps> wazd is a wiz ;)
Jan 30 21:29:59 <lardman> Stskeeps: I just get in trouble these days, until I show her what I'm working on, then she realises I'm not really wasting time sitting here :)
Jan 30 21:30:02 <GAN800> Stskeeps, I frequently just emit a loud sigh and hit End. ;)
Jan 30 21:30:39 <lardman> pupnik_: nice :)
Jan 30 21:30:40 <Stskeeps> GAN800: that's iTT "new posts" you're thinking about
Jan 30 21:30:40 <Stskeeps> ;)
Jan 30 21:30:49 <lardman> pupnik_: poor neighbours :)
Jan 30 21:30:51 <GAN800> Hehe
Jan 30 21:31:19 <pupnik_> acoustics of the room are all wrong.
Jan 30 21:31:32 <pupnik_> but check the 60s furniture!
Jan 30 21:32:08 <t_s_o> heh, one good thing coming from the swap of SD cards are that it takes only a moment for the file manager or open dialog to read the content of them
Jan 30 21:34:03 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: I wish I could read scroll while I was watching the current ;)
Jan 30 21:34:17 <Stskeeps> i wonder if the constant use of https on garage inhibits some developers from participating. i mean, i'm piss tired of adding --no-check-certificate to my wgets :P
Jan 30 21:35:27 <RST38h> lardman: look at the plugin examples in that pdf - I don't think adding those plugins will be easy
Jan 30 21:36:04 <lardman> RST38h: I don't have it open atm; but yeah, if it's easy is it worth doing? ;)
Jan 30 21:36:21 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, alias wget='wget --no-check-certificate' ;)
Jan 30 21:36:30 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: oh boy.
Jan 30 21:36:45 <lardman> alias rm='rm -rf'
Jan 30 21:36:56 <RST38h> lardman: well if it is dead easy, there is more probability people will play with it :)
Jan 30 21:37:00 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1206/cx3110x-1.2.tar.gz is the one working for 770 kernel
Jan 30 21:37:04 <Stskeeps> AFAIK
Jan 30 21:37:12 <RST38h> lardman: but it is not dead easy judging from the examples
Jan 30 21:37:20 <Stskeeps> (yes, it's completely illogical 0.8.1 is for n8x0, and 1.2 is for 770)
Jan 30 21:37:24 <lardman> RST38h: true, but some of it is probably complicated, no way around that really
Jan 30 21:38:37 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: thanks, will try that one
Jan 30 21:38:40 <Stskeeps> Meiz_n810: eh, it doesn't help? with updated evdev
Jan 30 21:38:44 <RST38h> lardman: no, I do not think there is no way around that
Jan 30 21:39:23 <lardman> RST38h: so it abstracts some of the required but fairly constant components, and hopefully lets people concentrate on the cool bits
Jan 30 21:39:31 <lardman> RST38h: hopeully; we'll see
Jan 30 21:39:39 <RST38h> lardman: well designed stuff always hides infrequently used stuff from the user, so it looks and feels simple
Jan 30 21:39:43 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: does it need any patching?
Jan 30 21:39:47 <RST38h> lardman: do check the pdf
Jan 30 21:40:09 <Stskeeps> r2d2rogers: possibly post-making it compile
Jan 30 21:40:18 <lardman> RST38h: depends if it's made for a user, or for a developer and therefore takes away the hassle of implementing the boring stuff
Jan 30 21:40:37 <lardman> RST38h: I did look at it yesterday
Jan 30 21:41:08 <r2d2rogers> "entering unknown directory..."
Jan 30 21:41:21 <RST38h> it is made for a developer but does not seem to take away the hassle
Jan 30 21:41:29 <RST38h> just adds more different hassle
Jan 30 21:41:55 <RST38h> doesn't matter much though, as I don't expect many people to use it
Jan 30 21:42:01 <lardman> removing the need to handle playlists sounds good to me ;)
Jan 30 21:42:24 <lardman> anyway yes, the proof is in the pudding and all that, we'll see what happens hey?
Jan 30 21:42:41 <r2d2rogers> I think I'm missing a step or three.
Jan 30 21:43:37 <RST38h> lardman: well, I kind of expected that by asking for opinions qgil wanted to figure out how to make it better
Jan 30 21:43:58 <RST38h> lardman: that probably was a wrong assumption, dunno
Jan 30 21:47:57 <r2d2rogers> Stskeeps: diablo kernel modules still showimg as installed
Jan 30 21:48:03 <r2d2rogers> ls
Jan 30 21:58:00 <brdusr> ok bye and thank you all for support :-) see you later guys
Jan 30 21:58:46 <lcuk> does anyone know how i force mplayer to use xv mode?  or does it by default?
Jan 30 21:59:59 <qwerty12_N800> -vo xv iirc
Jan 30 22:00:14 <qwerty12_N800> no, omapfb output is default
Jan 30 22:01:01 <lcuk> yeah the params are looking right
Jan 30 22:01:08 <lcuk> thx
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Jan 30 22:16:49 <RST38h> lcuk: afaik it uses xv by default
Jan 30 22:17:32 <lcuk> its ok, ive got enough info for now
Jan 30 22:25:40 <lcuk> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261099   <<< rotation problem
Jan 30 22:28:05 <ssvb> RST38h: what uses xv by default?
Jan 30 22:29:31 <lcuk> ssvb, it was me asking about mplayer, that link describes the rotation problem and has videos, im trying to let jott know about it as well :)
Jan 30 22:29:48 <ssvb> lcuk: good
Jan 30 22:30:09 <lcuk> thanks for the reminder
Jan 30 22:34:00 <RST38h> ssvb: mplayer
Jan 30 22:34:05 <RST38h> ssvb: doesn't it?
Jan 30 22:34:19 <ssvb> RST38h: no
Jan 30 22:34:53 <ssvb> RST38h: it used omapfb output by default, which is the fastest
Jan 30 22:35:08 <ssvb> RST38h: s/used/uses/
Jan 30 22:35:34 <RST38h> ssvb: From your comments earlier today I misundertood that it used xv
Jan 30 22:35:35 <RST38h> Sorry
Jan 30 22:35:59 <lcuk> its ok, i forgot what i did when i first noticed it (this is an old observation revisited)
Jan 30 22:36:24 <lcuk> i was too nervous and couldnt explain myself clearly enough back then :)
Jan 30 22:37:23 <ssvb> RST38h: though XV can be almost as fast as direct framebuffer in mplayer
Jan 30 22:56:35 <ssvb> RST38h, lcuk: XV performance tuning for mplayer: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261102
Jan 30 22:56:59 <ssvb> the slowness of XV was indeed colorkey related
Jan 30 22:58:48 <ssvb> Canola guys may be very interested
Jan 30 23:00:52 <mavhc> what's xv?
Jan 30 23:01:26 <lcuk> its magic :) its a video mode which displays video in an overlay and bypasses x11 network elements
Jan 30 23:01:47 <lcuk> ssvb, very cool
Jan 30 23:01:55 <lcuk> glad its identified
Jan 30 23:02:16 <lcuk> im pondering how i would make video work inside something that already opens xv
Jan 30 23:02:33 <lcuk> its not like i can just pass you a pointer
Jan 30 23:02:35 <ssvb> mavhc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension
Jan 30 23:03:44 <ssvb> mavhc: it's a standard method for video output in linux
Jan 30 23:03:54 <mavhc> are the codecs in mplayer etc optimised for the ARM/DSP?
Jan 30 23:04:20 <lcuk> they are optimized inside the actual lcd hardware itself
Jan 30 23:04:21 <ssvb> mavhc: for ARM partially yes, for DSP - no
Jan 30 23:05:02 <lcuk> oops, not they - the video is.. the codecs ssvb answered
Jan 30 23:05:31 <ssvb> lcuk: yes, I have just found it, this colorkey thing was preventing the use of fast blizzard overlay
Jan 30 23:07:01 <dob> mkfs.vfat decides that I should have a 200M filesystem on a 4G partition (probably because I used to have a 200M fs there), how can I make this right? Should I manually input the blocks-count to mkfs.vfat? What's the block size?
Jan 30 23:09:17 <lcuk> ssvb, its always good to solve problems
Jan 30 23:09:58 <lcuk> anyway, early night for me, ive been wiped out for half the week
Jan 30 23:22:48 <lardman> any gstreamer gurus about?
Jan 30 23:23:19 <lardman> anyone know if a filter which alters the res (down) and framerate (down) will cause significant slowdown?
Jan 30 23:23:33 <lardman> or at least slower than doing the res adjustment at the fakesink?
Jan 30 23:31:08 <GAN800> How are the mailing list people so clueless? :/
Jan 30 23:53:18 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:20 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:22 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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Jan 30 23:53:28 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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Jan 30 23:53:32 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:34 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:36 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:38 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:38 <Zic> ...
Jan 30 23:53:40 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:42 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:44 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:46 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:48 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:50 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:52 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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Jan 30 23:53:56 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:53:58 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:54:00 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:54:54 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:54:56 <Pkerown> looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Jan 30 23:55:24 <housetier> o_O
Jan 30 23:55:28 <Zic> Hmm, I read that the next Maemo release comme with a new hardware : a HD camera, a new ARM processor, and a cellular modem to access to the Internet : this modem is only like 3G access, or GSM too ?
Jan 30 23:55:42 <wazd> Zic: no gsm
Jan 30 23:55:45 <ken-p> Zic: where did you read that?
Jan 30 23:56:04 <Zic> ken-p: on the last anoucement for the new Fermantle Maemo SDK
Jan 30 23:56:14 <Zic> (and on Wikipedia about Fermantle)
Jan 30 23:56:21 <ken-p> aha
Jan 30 23:56:23 <ken-p> btw
Jan 30 23:56:58 <ken-p> there was news that Nokia had discontinued N810
Jan 30 23:57:02 <Zic> by the way, I don't want to have a GSM modem in a Nokia Internet Tablet, I have a phone for that
Jan 30 23:57:06 <ken-p> will there be an update?
Jan 30 23:57:17 <Zic> I have a Freerunner with OpenMoko :)
Jan 30 23:57:20 <benson[away]> ~lart Pkerown for doing ASCII art of a printer with runaway form-feed.
Jan 30 23:57:20 * infobot beats Pkerown to within 2.54cm of his life for doing ASCII art of a printer with runaway form-feed.
Jan 30 23:57:38 <wazd> ken-p: wi-max was discontinued, not 810\
Jan 30 23:58:03 <ken-p> so just the wimax edition?
Jan 30 23:58:09 <wazd> ken-p: yes
Jan 30 23:58:18 <Zic> for now, there is no plan in the future to add a GSM modem to Nokia Internet tablet ?
Jan 30 23:58:30 <benson> No plan they'll talk about.
Jan 30 23:58:32 <ken-p> anyway, are Nokia planning to release an update soon?
Jan 30 23:58:51 <Lamo> hello, is anyone in here using easy debian? i downloaded the image file to my memory card and extracted the debian-final.img.ext2 file but am not sure of what to do next.
Jan 30 23:58:52 <GAN800> ken-p, N810 isn't discontinnued.
Jan 30 23:59:00 <wazd> Zic: Let's make clear: I'm talking bout "phone" functionality
Jan 30 23:59:09 <wazd> Zic: like "making a phonecall" :)
Jan 30 23:59:16 <Zic> wazd: yes, I understand :)
Jan 30 23:59:38 <wazd> Zic: It will have a modem for data transfer
Jan 30 23:59:57 <benson> Well, I don't think we'll get GSM data w/o GSM voice, only packet-switched data (GPRS and up).
Jan 31 00:00:02 <wazd> Zic: Don't know exactly would it be 3G only or GPRS/EDGE/3G
Jan 31 00:00:11 <Zic> wazd: just, for now I own a N800 and maybe I will bui the new hardware which comes with Fermantle, but I own a Freerunner phone (on Linux) too
Jan 31 00:00:17 <Zic> s/bui/buy/
Jan 31 00:00:18 <infobot> Zic meant: wazd: just, for now I own a N800 and maybe I will buy the new hardware which comes with Fermantle, but I own a Freerunner phone (on Linux) too
Jan 31 00:00:32 <benson> HSPA is announced, GPRS is a pocssible inference.
Jan 31 00:00:53 <wazd> benson: gprs would be great cause we haven't got 3g :)
Jan 31 00:01:19 <mikkov_> 3g only modem would be utterly stuupid
Jan 31 00:01:24 <benson> wazd: Yep; I'm hoping so, too. Don't wanna have to switch to ATT
Jan 31 00:01:40 <wazd> ken-p: release data is not available for now
Jan 31 00:03:05 <Zic> wazd: so, it's a data cellular modem, not a GSM modem (to make phone call, sending SMS... MMS used data cellular modme I think)
Jan 31 00:03:10 <wazd> I'm waiting for new UI to start work on next omw :)
Jan 31 00:03:12 <Zic> +?
Jan 31 00:03:26 <wazd> Zic: yes
Jan 31 00:04:21 <Zic> great, because I'm sure if they add a GSM modem, even if ITT by Nokia can't enter in my pocket, I will try, even if I need to enlarge my pockets :)
Jan 31 00:05:00 <wazd> Zic: how can you judge bout size of upcoming hardware?)
Jan 31 00:05:28 <Zic> wazd: 770/N800/N810 have not really changed about size
Jan 31 00:05:40 <wazd> Zic: the've added wi-max modem to n810 and it was pretty pocketable)
Jan 31 00:05:48 <wazd> Zic: and GSM is smaller
Jan 31 00:06:15 <Zic> wanders: yes, it's pretty pocketable, but lesser than a phones, even if the Freerunner is large :)
Jan 31 00:06:50 <wazd> Zic: does any other phone has 4.2" screen?
Jan 31 00:07:10 <Zic> (I'm a geek and I try to persuade myself that I don't do a redundant buying with already own a N800, and buying recently a Freerunner)
Jan 31 00:07:20 <Zic> that's all :>
Jan 31 00:07:56 <wazd> Zic: I'm trying to say that lack of GSM is more ideological solution than technical
Jan 31 00:08:12 <wazd> Zic: to kill competition between n97
Jan 31 00:08:14 <Zic> wazd: yes, and that's a best point
Jan 31 00:08:49 <Zic> wazd: because even if I need a phone every day in my pocket (and I prefer that this phone is documented and using FOSS software)
Jan 31 00:09:04 <Zic> I'm feeling free when I use my N800 and shutdown the phone ;-)
Jan 31 00:10:16 <Zic> it's my question about existence of this night in fact ;-)
Jan 31 00:10:59 <lardman> GAN800: fremantle stuff?
Jan 31 00:11:21 <wazd> Good choice to have separated phone and PDA is when you're power user
Jan 31 00:11:39 <Zic> and that's the reason of my question : I prefer that the next ITT of Nokia will not add a GSM modem to make and receive calls
Jan 31 00:12:07 <wazd> When you'll have your PDA battery dry, your phone will be online
Jan 31 00:12:15 <Zic> but if you say it's just a data cellular modem, it's great :)
Jan 31 00:12:31 <Zic> wazd: yes, it's one other reason to me
Jan 31 00:14:19 <Zic> wazd: it just make me think about that because all friend who own an Internet Tablet of Nokia own a very classical phone
Jan 31 00:15:13 <Zic> and recently, I order a FOSS based and documented phone, the OpenMoko Freerunner, so... :)
Jan 31 00:16:22 <Zic> except from hardware, features are pretty the same of IT of Nokia
Jan 31 00:16:59 <Zic> so, here I am and asking some questions tonight :)
Jan 31 00:17:08 <Zic> thanks for your answers
Jan 31 00:23:54 <Zic> (for an example with only Nokia devices, like wazd said, own a N800 and a N97 sounds to be for very specific user (power user))
Jan 31 00:24:18 <Zic> s/N800/N8*0/
Jan 31 00:24:18 <infobot> Zic meant: (for an example with only Nokia devices, like wazd said, own a N8*0 and a N97 sounds to be for very specific user (power user))
Jan 31 00:27:21 <wazd> Owning n97 and n8*0 is a bit overkill :)
Jan 31 00:27:48 <roope> Hello.
Jan 31 00:27:57 <wazd> I'd prefer n8*0 and a small phone or n97 alone)
Jan 31 00:28:11 <wazd> roope: hi
Jan 31 00:31:33 <Zic> have to go to sleep, bye, have a nice day or good night too
Jan 31 00:33:47 <wazd> If anyone is still interested - n97 seems to have same TV-out through 3.5mm jack technology as RX-51 seems to have: blet of Nokia own a very classical phone
Jan 31 00:33:47 <wazd> * Jucato (n=Jucato@124.106.192.249) has joined #maemo
Jan 31 00:33:47 <wazd> <Zic> and recently, I order a FOSS based and documented phone, the OpenMoko Freerunner, so... :)
Jan 31 00:33:47 <wazd> * m0zzie (n=m0zzie@60-241-53-34.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #maemo
Jan 31 00:34:01 <wazd> what the hell
Jan 31 00:34:06 <Jucato> O.o
Jan 31 00:34:18 <wazd> http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=jN_LSKwnX10
Jan 31 00:34:43 <wazd> I don't get how this shit happening, sorry)
Jan 31 00:35:07 <lardman> wazd: /me bought an n95 output cable while we were fiddling hoping the n8x0 had some hidden tv-out functionality
Jan 31 00:36:24 <wazd> lardman: ah, it's not new technology :( I've never heard bout it before)
Jan 31 00:36:53 <lardman> the n8x0 could probably do the same, but the lines aren't connected
Jan 31 00:39:58 * lardman wonders how he's broken his video display by adding a cap to a different queue
Jan 31 00:40:03 <lardman> the wonders of GStreamer!
Jan 31 00:40:20 <lardman> s/cap/pad
Jan 31 00:45:41 <Jucato> does that n97 come with symbian or maemo? (sorry, noob...)
Jan 31 00:45:51 <lardman> symbian
Jan 31 00:46:06 <Jucato> ah...
Jan 31 00:46:55 * Jucato just needs to figure out how to send/receive sms (or even calls) on the n810 through his 6600 and he's set for life
Jan 31 00:47:56 <lardman> phonelink or gnokii?
Jan 31 00:48:16 <Jucato> hm... I'll try those :)
Jan 31 00:48:26 <lardman> for calls, there was a thread on itt (iirc) about doing that, by masquerading as a headset
Jan 31 00:48:39 <Jucato> oh..
Jan 31 00:48:47 <Jucato> though SMS is more important to me than calls :D
Jan 31 00:49:02 <Jucato> (my 6600 was used for so many things except calls :D)
Jan 31 00:49:23 <lardman> well those two should do it for you, in fact I think the first wraps the second
Jan 31 00:49:32 <Jucato> ah
Jan 31 00:49:34 <lardman> should be in Garage
Jan 31 00:49:35 <Jucato> thanks :)
Jan 31 00:49:37 <lardman> np
Jan 31 00:56:12 <lardman> if I drop data in a pipeline beyond a tee, does that stall the pipeline further upstream (i.e. will the other side of the tee also be stalled)?
Jan 31 00:56:22 <lardman> I presume not, but my images seem to have vanished :(
Jan 31 00:56:29 <bogdanr> Hello
Jan 31 00:56:37 <bogdanr> Did everyone try Mer so far?
Jan 31 00:57:58 <bogdanr> I want to install Mer on the miniSD card but I can't find any instructions so far
Jan 31 00:57:58 <b-man> probibly
Jan 31 00:58:12 <bogdanr> Can you plese point me in the right direction
Jan 31 00:58:13 <bogdanr> ?
Jan 31 00:58:31 <lardman> bogdanr: use the installer
Jan 31 00:58:37 <lardman> it asks you where to install it
Jan 31 00:58:54 <lardman> it's not end-user friendly mind you
Jan 31 00:59:03 <b-man> (yet)
Jan 31 00:59:09 <lardman> indeed :)
Jan 31 00:59:22 <bogdanr> And then how can I boot from miniSD?
Jan 31 00:59:30 <b-man> bootmenu
Jan 31 00:59:50 <bogdanr> How do I go into boot menu?
Jan 31 01:00:04 <lardman> you need to install it, again from the Mer instructions
Jan 31 01:00:17 <bogdanr> OK
Jan 31 01:00:21 <bogdanr> Thanks
Jan 31 01:02:19 * b-man starts to mess around on DeviantArt - and posts his ubuntu-rescue-menu screenshot :)
Jan 31 01:26:41 <jaem> timeless: ping!
Jan 31 01:39:28 <lardman> night all
Jan 31 02:20:04 <bogdanr> How do I know if I have Diablo on my tablet?
Jan 31 02:29:42 <jaem_> bogdanr: go to the system settings, and click on the top-left icon (I think it's "about", but I don't have my tablet with me
Jan 31 02:30:09 <jaem_> it should say there, and if it doesn't, give me the version number, and I'll let you know
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