**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 31 02:59:57 2009 Jan 31 03:31:52 Hey, if i were to sell my Nokia N800, how much do you think i would be able to get? What's its value nowadays? Jan 31 03:32:45 I would sell it for $5, you can email me when you are ready to sell Jan 31 03:33:06 lol i paid $145 for it Jan 31 03:33:11 cash Jan 31 04:13:27 so either the charger for my n800 is done or the charging circuit in my n800 is kaput. :$ Jan 31 04:17:36 johnx, gotta get a 770 to charge. ;) Jan 31 04:18:14 heh. should have bought one from you when I had the chance Jan 31 04:18:58 Yup, I ended up giving it away for shipping. Jan 31 04:20:21 well, I need to verify that my charging port and charging circuit(s) are ok before dropping more money on one of those pricey external chargers with a screen :P Jan 31 04:24:27 Nokia: bring back chargers that are a litle more beefy Jan 31 04:32:19 johnx: charging circuit? Jan 31 04:32:30 johnx: that's the binary blob on your N800 Jan 31 04:32:44 i mean the physical hardware in the n800 Jan 31 04:32:48 ...that charges the battery Jan 31 04:32:58 you're sure it's not the blob/ Jan 31 04:32:59 ? Jan 31 04:33:07 pretty sure Jan 31 04:33:25 it charged intermittently and now won't detect whether the charger is plugged in Jan 31 04:34:03 pretty sure that's the blob's job Jan 31 04:34:14 figure out how to force it :D Jan 31 04:34:18 what about when the tablet is off? Jan 31 04:34:31 dunno Jan 31 04:35:07 how about you get a new one and mail me that one? ;) Jan 31 04:35:18 well, I assume that the blob isn't running when the kernel isn't running ... soooo I would assume it's a hardware thing Jan 31 04:36:56 if my tablet is toast it just means I won't be able to test stuff on it ...which will make me cranky, but luckily my zaurus is still going strong Jan 31 04:37:44 I still haven't found mine :/ Jan 31 04:38:32 I'm leaning towards it being a problem with the wall charger though :) Jan 31 04:40:33 which would mean my tablet ate this charger alive in less an a month :) Jan 31 04:45:21 johnx: i use my old nokia phone charger for my n800, works perfectly? Jan 31 04:45:39 yeah. It's a little tough finding Nokia chargers here... Jan 31 04:45:44 oh Jan 31 04:45:47 i live in toronto, canada XD Jan 31 05:50:16 johnx: maybe a dumb question, but did you try cleaning the contacts? I've had those symptoms caused by that before Jan 31 06:16:47 hello Jan 31 06:16:51 what was qwerty12's server address again? Jan 31 06:18:31 http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/ is this what u want? Jan 31 06:19:21 has any one ported vnstat for the tablets yet? Jan 31 06:20:03 vabgeo, yes Jan 31 06:22:44 anyone? or alternative ? Jan 31 06:23:01 vncstat? or what? Jan 31 06:23:13 vnstat Jan 31 06:23:33 http://humdi.net/vnstat/ Jan 31 06:25:41 hmm, nice, I don't think anyone has ported that Jan 31 06:25:48 damn Jan 31 06:25:51 as NIT is not a router :> Jan 31 06:26:17 i know i was gonna use it to monitor my ppp0 bandwith Jan 31 06:26:29 so i know how much i am using Jan 31 06:26:32 b1ackdeath, should just be a recompile though Jan 31 06:26:58 yeah the dependences are messing me up Jan 31 06:27:22 what are they? Jan 31 06:27:54 libc6 , libgcc1 Jan 31 06:28:22 i found a armel port but i cant get it to work http://packages.debian.org/lenny/armel/vnstat Jan 31 06:28:57 uhm... Jan 31 06:29:02 both are in Jan 31 06:29:10 you need to rebuild the package Jan 31 06:29:27 I suggest grabbing a person with access to maemo buildbot Jan 31 06:29:39 and having them submit the source deb Jan 31 06:30:01 alright Jan 31 06:30:17 assuming there is one Jan 31 06:30:30 hmhmmh Jan 31 06:30:34 alternatively, build it yourself in the scratchbox Jan 31 06:31:33 i'll give that a shot Jan 31 06:32:42 the lenny package is for the same eabi - should work if force-installed Jan 31 06:35:24 ah, failure Jan 31 06:35:33 we have an older version of glibc here Jan 31 06:35:46 hmhmh Jan 31 06:36:17 mer and fremantle will be much fresher though Jan 31 06:36:31 and mer is compatible with ubuntu jaunty by design Jan 31 06:36:46 this is true yet i have get to install mer tho Jan 31 06:37:15 if you want to temporarily break your device, sure :) Jan 31 06:37:31 it still needs a lot of bug catching Jan 31 06:39:35 well on a not on the same partition tho Jan 31 06:40:57 might work, yes Jan 31 06:41:24 but I'm not sure if it doesn't have a newer kernel Jan 31 06:42:20 hmhm Jan 31 06:42:52 flashing the kernel and initfs is simple though Jan 31 06:43:42 I guess I'll install Mer myself too. Jan 31 06:43:47 yeah i dont think i will be going that far just for one program Jan 31 06:44:39 mer still *is* the future of maemo (except fremantle, which will be for next nokia NIT at first) Jan 31 06:44:52 s/nokia NIT/NIT/ Jan 31 06:44:54 AStorm meant: mer still *is* the future of maemo (except fremantle, which will be for next NIT at first) Jan 31 06:46:48 AStorm: are you suffering from RAS Syndrome? :P Jan 31 06:47:00 (Redundant Acronym Syndrome Syndrome) Jan 31 06:47:31 nah Jan 31 06:47:44 although it does rarely happen to me Jan 31 07:56:55 ehlo AStorm Jan 31 08:04:53 RST38h, 301 Host denied Jan 31 08:04:54 ;) Jan 31 08:31:29 morning Jan 31 08:32:28 qwerty12: is zenity in chinook too btw? Jan 31 08:39:13 Meiz_n810: alive? Jan 31 08:39:50 Stskeeps, morning. http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/z/zenity/ Jan 31 08:39:54 ta Jan 31 08:40:12 * Stskeeps decided to go with .install for the sake of 0.7, and extras-devel in 0.8 Jan 31 08:41:04 even though i'll prolly get murdered for that Jan 31 08:41:29 hehe Jan 31 08:41:55 How come you aren't just putting it in extras-devel now? Jan 31 08:42:48 i had slightly less time than calculated cos of my fiancées masters thesis defense and all her family and friends coming over :P Jan 31 08:43:06 and there's some things i agree with fanoush should be altered before we bring it to more mainstream Jan 31 08:43:26 hehe :P, I'm sure the extras police forgive you ;) Jan 31 08:43:31 Stskeeps: yes Jan 31 08:44:34 Meiz_n810: might have to follow http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=259961&postcount=57 Jan 31 08:44:58 k Jan 31 08:45:01 sure you have latest evdev? Jan 31 08:45:06 (check version for me will you) Jan 31 08:46:27 hmm Jan 31 08:46:43 i notice extras.install from ~extras show no "distribution" or release name Jan 31 08:46:51 does it automatically pick up 'diablo' or 'chinook'? Jan 31 08:47:01 Stskeeps: i installed mer yesterday when you asked Jan 31 08:47:11 Yes, a blank distribution field in app manager equals whatever you're running (diablo/chinook) Jan 31 08:47:13 not sure if it's the latest Jan 31 08:47:35 Meiz_n810: k - dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-evdev Jan 31 08:49:39 http://pastebin.com/m1b38f284 Jan 31 08:50:37 dpkg -s :P Jan 31 08:50:48 bloody long versions Jan 31 08:51:45 dpkg -s xserver-xorg-input-evdev that si Jan 31 08:55:08 http://pastebin.com/m7f22ce92 Jan 31 08:55:17 thank you Jan 31 08:55:33 ok, is the right one Jan 31 08:57:21 * Meiz_n810 moifies his xmodmap-keymap a bit... Jan 31 08:58:35 yeah, just wondering where the code for it is Jan 31 08:59:17 code for what? Jan 31 08:59:18 pondering if he forgot to add it Jan 31 08:59:39 basically Fn is keycode 464 and X only supports keycodes < 255 Jan 31 08:59:52 hmm Jan 31 09:03:28 hi thopiekar Jan 31 09:03:44 have you seen this? http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/mer-ui-the-beginning/ Jan 31 09:09:19 Meizirkki: you busy later today? i will need someone to test 0.8 prerelease quickly so Jan 31 09:10:42 Stskeeps: i believe there's nothing in the way Jan 31 09:10:44 k Jan 31 09:11:15 i'll start generating images now then, after testing johnx's new packages Jan 31 09:44:47 Morning, all Jan 31 09:44:50 morning jaffa Jan 31 09:44:55 morning Jan 31 09:45:18 morning Jaffa Jan 31 09:46:31 Jaffa: think installation works OK after johnx's latest changes Jan 31 09:47:01 Stskeeps: excellent! Jan 31 09:48:43 BTW, is first-setup going to a bg in 0.7? Jan 31 09:48:53 hm? Jan 31 09:49:12 Fremantle's dialogues-at-bottom makes it look a little... unbalanced Jan 31 09:49:23 s/a bg/have a background/ Jan 31 09:49:38 checking.. Jan 31 09:50:26 Could be a 0.8 thing, with some wazd love - not just a splash but a flashy "self-advert" Jan 31 09:51:01 yes, 0.7 has a bg, the wallpaper Jan 31 09:51:07 in f-b-w Jan 31 09:51:19 Ah, cool. Jan 31 09:51:42 * Jaffa just had black in that image you gave me, IIRC Jan 31 09:51:44 a commit got lost so :) Jan 31 09:51:45 yeah Jan 31 09:51:56 cool stuff Jan 31 09:53:39 moo sts Jan 31 09:53:41 moo, RST38h Jan 31 09:57:21 * RST38h loves that n810 vs n97 thread on itt Jan 31 09:57:47 ooh Jan 31 09:57:49 * Jucato is reminded to start lurking in itt Jan 31 09:58:08 "n810 has a cli and can mount external cdroms, so it is much better and nokia should sell it instead of n97!" Jan 31 09:58:18 RST38h: lol Jan 31 09:58:28 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25596 ? Jan 31 09:58:49 some people just never ever learn Jan 31 10:00:03 ah, found it Jan 31 10:00:06 * aquatix reads Jan 31 10:03:27 Maybe the N97 is a better MID than the N810. Jan 31 10:03:28 wtf Jan 31 10:03:33 the N97 is a *phone* Jan 31 10:04:00 which i will use happily along with my n810 and/or rx51 Jan 31 10:04:10 (preferably the latter) Jan 31 10:15:31 * Stskeeps pokes maemo-select-location with a stick Jan 31 10:16:15 * lcukx41 wakes up Jan 31 10:16:34 morning Jan 31 10:16:42 Meizirkki: on maemo? Jan 31 10:16:46 morning X-Fade Jan 31 10:16:52 mornin x-fade Jan 31 10:17:12 Ugh, pre coffee. Jan 31 10:17:14 morning all :) Jan 31 10:17:22 * aquatix hands X-Fade a nice cup of strong coffee Jan 31 10:17:24 hi aquatix Jan 31 10:17:26 yeah x-fade, clean your teeth as well Jan 31 10:17:38 lcukx41: Well, did that part already :) Jan 31 10:17:40 ugh, indeed Jan 31 10:17:51 aquatix: Thanks. I needed that.. Jan 31 10:19:01 aquatix: enough water in the kettle for another? Jan 31 10:19:14 Meizirkki: do me a favour and when you're in maemo, install http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merinstaller.install after uninstalling Mer installer, and see if you can make it install and show up in Utilities? Jan 31 10:19:19 i suspect my tablet setup is wrecked Jan 31 10:19:24 lcukx41: sure Jan 31 10:19:36 * aquatix hands lcukx41 a nice cup of strong coffee too Jan 31 10:19:58 cool, i hope its so strong the spoon stands up Jan 31 10:20:20 * lcukx41 had little sleep Jan 31 10:20:26 the spoon almost melts in it Jan 31 10:20:59 :D mmmm molten stainless steel Jan 31 10:21:10 zingy! Jan 31 10:21:28 Stskeeps: oki Jan 31 10:22:03 Stskeeps, when you have no desktop file in the merinstaller package (looking at merinstaller_1.9.5-mer2_armel.deb), I wouldn't really expect maemo-select-menu-location to work ;) Jan 31 10:22:19 i had my 810 in the pocket of my combats yesterday and nearly smashed it to smithereens Jan 31 10:22:23 lcukx41: gives that extra zing to your coffee Jan 31 10:22:34 lcukx41: ick Jan 31 10:22:39 qwerty12: eh. no desktop file? Jan 31 10:22:41 ffs. Jan 31 10:22:48 Stskeeps, nothing else either tbh Jan 31 10:22:54 .. Jan 31 10:23:12 the pocket was near my knee, i wont be doin that again Jan 31 10:24:37 does the merinstaller package work in diablo, and will it work with a 1gb card? Jan 31 10:24:38 Stskeeps, you may just find it a lot easier to use dh_install for this rather than your Makefile setup Jan 31 10:25:50 qwerty12: yeah, possibly. feel free to contribute better packaging :P Jan 31 10:26:21 Fine, I've done enough cleaning of my transmission package for now :P Jan 31 10:26:28 hehe Jan 31 10:26:41 you should definately have a "make conic stay at these APs" Jan 31 10:26:53 btw, xchat would be nice with reconnecting to server when it notices AP has disconnected or changed Jan 31 10:27:17 it does doesnt it? when it times out Jan 31 10:27:22 lcukx41: takes quite a while Jan 31 10:27:23 That's not a bad idea, I'm always reconnecting manually Jan 31 10:27:34 yeah sts, but thats the internet as a whole Jan 31 10:27:46 if it was too eager you would be kicked out every 10 seconds Jan 31 10:27:54 half the internet is unstable Jan 31 10:28:33 the other half is under x-fades control ;) Jan 31 10:29:11 Heh, not even close :) Jan 31 10:29:17 we are gonna have talk.maemo.org for the forums, why cant we have irc.maemo.org? Jan 31 10:29:32 x-fade :) trying to help your ego :P Jan 31 10:30:17 but i dont know anyone who knows enough about irc to be able to set something like that up Jan 31 10:30:36 do you know anyone like that Stskeeps :P ? Jan 31 10:31:17 Meh, Freenode's a lot bigger than what irc.maemo.org would be and with more servers. Seems kinda lame imho to have an entire server for one chan Jan 31 10:31:24 lcukx41: the amount of trouble needed to run a maemo.org network and the political problems it brings with it and the problem of attracting interesting new people .. Jan 31 10:31:29 is bigger than the benefit Jan 31 10:31:47 Yeah, freenode is good enough atm.. Jan 31 10:31:48 i'm willing to bet we are attracting a lot of people to maemo community just by the size of this channel Jan 31 10:33:42 * lcukx41 knows its inpractical :P Jan 31 10:40:33 Stskeeps, mind if I change rootsh dependency to "rootsh | becomeroot | easyroot"? Jan 31 10:41:26 go ahead, just as long as they work as the same Jan 31 10:42:00 * Stskeeps uploads mer3 Jan 31 10:42:07 yeah, I did a quick grep and the only thing used from rootsh is "sudo gainroot" which is provided by the other 2 as well. By doing rootsh | becomeroot | easyroot, it opens it up a bit to people Jan 31 10:43:59 Stskeeps: Merinstaller is now installed, but it seems to not show up on menu Jan 31 10:48:52 does the merinstaller remove itself once you have done it once? or does it remain always - ive got an over active 6 year old who clicks lots of random things Jan 31 10:50:27 it doesn't remove itself Jan 31 10:51:15 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/m19ddaa46 Jan 31 10:54:22 Meizirkki: i suppose he could install it himself :D Jan 31 10:54:56 Meizirkki: grab mer3 Jan 31 10:55:38 Stskeeps: I've marked the "work out HAM brokenness" task to the green block and marked it completed Jan 31 10:55:58 Is there a package of zenvoid's sounds for 0.7? Jan 31 10:55:59 k, you can check vm, sec Jan 31 10:56:02 not yet Jan 31 10:57:10 jaffa top banana! Jan 31 10:57:21 Jaffa: since we don't have sound yet ;) Jan 31 11:00:05 Stskeeps: you want me to test merinstaller mer3 version? Jan 31 11:00:06 * aquatix boots Mer 0.6 in virtualbox Jan 31 11:00:28 .install-file worked btw. Jan 31 11:01:04 hm, those install dialogs don't accept enter Jan 31 11:01:40 aquatix: which image ? Jan 31 11:02:30 0.6 Jan 31 11:02:43 the official virtualbox image from the Mer site Jan 31 11:03:50 ok i have it too Jan 31 11:04:36 it's damn snappy on my machine though :) Jan 31 11:04:50 i plan to flash it to my 770 Jan 31 11:05:01 but i have only 512MB Jan 31 11:05:20 SD card? Jan 31 11:05:37 770 has rsmmc slot Jan 31 11:05:42 oh Jan 31 11:05:44 hm Jan 31 11:05:48 indeed Jan 31 11:08:44 http://www2.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5091 Jan 31 11:12:40 heh, nice Jan 31 11:13:11 Meizirkki: just see if it installs OK, as in, not mer install, but installer itself Jan 31 11:13:33 okay Jan 31 11:14:06 it points to a missing URL so Jan 31 11:14:30 aquatix: ctrl-m :P Jan 31 11:14:56 Stskeeps: how's that intuitive? :) Jan 31 11:18:22 Stskeeps: is mer-armel-installer-v0.6.deb the mer3? Jan 31 11:19:34 Meizirkki: if .install worked then mer3 did :) Jan 31 11:19:42 aquatix: Maemo weird thing Jan 31 11:20:40 Stskeeps: i uninstalled merinstaller. then installed it again with .install file. Now i have mer2 version and it doesn't work.. http://pastebin.com/m19ddaa46 Jan 31 11:21:11 can we make a viable proposal for using n8x0 in space? i wanna go on a zero g flight :D Jan 31 11:21:15 http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/31/0710235 Jan 31 11:22:23 "testing whether n810 gps can lock when closer to the constellation" Jan 31 11:22:44 ghehe Jan 31 11:23:50 :D x-chat during shuttle liftoff Jan 31 11:25:23 i wonder how confused gps-receivers get when theyre near or above the constellation? Jan 31 11:27:07 jaska, depends on how many sats it can see, but from what i know with 2 or 3 reference points you have 2 roots for the solution, but once you get 4 you are only left with 1 reasonable conclusion, but the chipset designers mightv hardcoded it out Jan 31 11:27:29 to stop accidental miscalculations when you are around building and having unfortunate echos Jan 31 11:27:42 "you are at 470000 miles above earth" Jan 31 11:27:56 morning Jan 31 11:28:06 morning lardman Jan 31 11:28:11 morning lardman Jan 31 11:28:14 many crippled chips dont work after 18km Jan 31 11:28:34 jaska: 18km high? Jan 31 11:28:35 its just a reasonable limit to the calculation Jan 31 11:29:03 yeah... the actual limit for us-made ones is 60kft and some speed (500km/h or such?) to avoid making cheap cruise missiles Jan 31 11:29:21 yeah lardman, i mentioned nasa are offering free zero g flights i nreturn for a viable space tech proposal Jan 31 11:29:49 ah, ok Jan 31 11:30:05 ahh, 999 knots Jan 31 11:30:22 but many of them just stop working above the limit because the manufacturers were too cheap Jan 31 11:30:34 its just outside the reasonable bounds Jan 31 11:30:53 there arent many people who need tomtom in their rocket Jan 31 11:31:04 "please make a u-turn as soon as possible" Jan 31 11:31:28 warning, speed camera? Jan 31 11:31:36 http://www.gpsy.com/gpsinfo/gps-faq.txt section 1.8 Jan 31 11:31:54 not all of the chips adhere to those limits and some have hackable firmware Jan 31 11:32:33 well this might need to go above 60k' http://www.members.shaw.ca/sonde/ Jan 31 11:32:35 yeah jaska, but realistically its not needed Jan 31 11:32:56 well, if you do balloons etc the 18km limit will bite Jan 31 11:33:04 lardman, would your rockets break the bounds? Jan 31 11:33:14 lcukx41: no, only small motors Jan 31 11:33:28 multicore! Jan 31 11:33:31 couple of thousand feet I guess, but no payload for that Jan 31 11:33:36 thres also the 6G acceleration limit Jan 31 11:33:40 have you seen the waterpowered jetpack ? Jan 31 11:33:43 looks AWESOME! Jan 31 11:33:50 lcukx41: no, do you have a url? Jan 31 11:33:54 i would love to go in the open water with it and fly across the ocean Jan 31 11:34:26 http://www.break.com/index/amazing-new-water-powered-jet-pack.html Jan 31 11:37:07 lol, that is cool! Jan 31 11:37:19 its awesome! Jan 31 11:41:03 awesome Jan 31 11:43:14 i have installed komodo edit on my ubuntu system here, but its got no menu entry (it was a .tar.gz install) it runs fine from the console - can i just add a menu entry for it? (still used to shortcuts) Jan 31 11:44:06 ah, going back to the 1000kt, 18km limits: http://www.armscontrol.org/documents/mtcr Jan 31 11:44:21 lcukx41, Yes, System> Preferences > Main Menu > New Item Jan 31 11:46:20 thanks qwerty Jan 31 11:46:43 lardman, that site lists all the things you cant use - but it looks more like a shopping list for an aeger terrorist Jan 31 11:46:46 eager Jan 31 11:48:45 yeah Jan 31 11:55:27 if i wanted to do dev from both maemo side and from x86 using the same folder thats ok isnt it Jan 31 11:55:59 ie sftp from ubuntu and ensure the x86 port works but using the same source as currently does Jan 31 11:56:14 ahh mind you that screws up the binaries Jan 31 12:03:19 I am testing a programm with sratchbox/xephyr, I want to test if I can open a file, where do I need to put my file that it shows up in one of the folders from the open dialog? Jan 31 12:03:56 /home/$USER/MyDocs Jan 31 12:06:15 ah thanks Jan 31 12:19:33 aquatix: feel like testing a vmdk? Jan 31 12:28:20 lo everybody Jan 31 12:28:29 lo wazd Jan 31 12:29:16 oh, maemo podcast on air, nice Jan 31 12:34:25 Stskeeps: sure, but i don't have much time left today Jan 31 12:34:29 i can download now though Jan 31 12:37:34 season 5 of boston legal was awful Jan 31 12:39:46 * wazd read bout .apng format. Wazd's happy :) Jan 31 12:40:10 aquatix: nah, it's ok, new release tomorrow anyhow Jan 31 12:40:17 ah, great Jan 31 12:40:21 keep me posted :) Jan 31 12:40:24 a ping will suffice Jan 31 12:40:36 i will likely not be here today anymore Jan 31 13:10:59 Stskeeps: downloading now Jan 31 13:11:15 k Jan 31 13:13:40 wow Jan 31 13:13:49 getting this damn dmg onto a bootable usb drive is a bitch Jan 31 13:14:01 i seriously have to look around for my osx dvds Jan 31 13:56:33 Jaffa: that email ok? as I'm off now Jan 31 13:58:01 anyway, seems so, have a nice weekend all, might be back on tomorrow Jan 31 14:16:48 Jaffa, my pick stands. I'm too lazy to send another email for now. :p Jan 31 14:17:59 w00. new charger Jan 31 14:20:26 johnx, fix the issue, then? Jan 31 14:20:50 yup :D Jan 31 14:21:18 it was actually the simple little plug adapter that was b0rken Jan 31 14:23:32 my n800 is happily charging now, thank goodness Jan 31 14:27:25 RST38h, I've got a phone for you: http://tinyurl.com/ded76f Jan 31 14:28:00 putting osx back on the macbook Jan 31 14:28:01 has netcraft confirmed it? Jan 31 14:28:08 sucks Jan 31 14:28:25 just for an adhoc Jan 31 14:29:04 MaceN800, what did you have on it Jan 31 14:29:15 kubuntu Jan 31 14:29:30 wiped osx from it Jan 31 14:29:41 why didn't you just resize? Jan 31 14:31:22 dont like dual booting Jan 31 14:31:44 i kinda hate osx Jan 31 14:32:08 then why did you buy a mac? Jan 31 14:32:21 got it for $400 Jan 31 14:32:21 whoa, 21:9 screen is kinda awesome Jan 31 14:32:32 21:9? Jan 31 14:32:35 wtf? Jan 31 14:32:47 http://blogs.zdnet.com/home-theater/?p=259 Jan 31 14:32:52 GAN800: bah, you sent another email :-) Jan 31 14:32:52 super ultra wide screen? Jan 31 14:33:04 thats cinema ratio I think Jan 31 14:34:52 21:9 is 2.33:1, anamorphic films are 2.35:1, widescreen are 1.85:1 Jan 31 14:35:53 my god, if regular users get hold of that, they will STILL render regular broadcast definition to it. and worst of all - they will use the "stretch" formatting cos they dont wanna waste space Jan 31 14:36:19 "i bought a big wide tv and by god im gonna use it" Jan 31 14:36:39 they dont care if it looks like pancake head city Jan 31 14:36:57 heh, google's added This Site May Harm your computer to every result Jan 31 14:37:21 stop searching for"virus installer" then Jan 31 14:37:32 I test searched for [Google] Jan 31 14:38:11 oh yeah Jan 31 14:38:26 i use a nomiddleman script usually to cut out redirects so never notices Jan 31 14:38:27 d Jan 31 14:38:45 Jaffa, managed to get a free moment at the computer. ;) Jan 31 14:40:19 lcuk, haha Jan 31 14:40:37 yah. stretching kinnda sucks Jan 31 14:41:08 people don't care about quality Jan 31 14:41:11 i guess it's a disclaimer, every site may harm your computer Jan 31 14:42:07 this site contains so much javascript it may overheat your computer Jan 31 14:42:19 googles skynet went nuts Jan 31 14:42:23 java Jan 31 14:42:39 what an abortion Jan 31 14:43:02 yeah, java's so slow it won't even run real time games on my low end phone Jan 31 14:49:46 okay, I think I have enough technology to kick every weather applet's ass with OMWeather :) Jan 31 14:50:12 HTC will beg for mercy >:D Jan 31 14:55:47 Any Greasemonkey scripts yet for getting rid of that irritating waste of space Jan 31 14:56:08 which? Jan 31 14:56:31 Ah, it's broken malware. Google for "Google" and you get a whole load of phishing site warnings Jan 31 14:57:09 mortti: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jaffa&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a Jan 31 14:57:29 s/mortti/mavhc/ Jan 31 14:57:29 Jaffa meant: mavhc: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jaffa&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a Jan 31 14:59:00 Top story on /. Jan 31 14:59:24 doesn't top = latest anyway? Jan 31 15:00:39 jaffa, i use something evolved from nomiddleman - its a greasemonkey script which gets rid of redirects :) Jan 31 15:00:57 http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/31/1457221 Jan 31 15:01:18 top story on tech. Jan 31 15:01:31 just hit the front now Jan 31 15:01:37 you must be a subby :P Jan 31 15:02:00 Stskeeps: that image you sent me does *not* have an auto-present ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager so installation would still be broken. Jan 31 15:02:11 lcuk: nope, maybe just a cache issue Jan 31 15:03:06 Jaffa, can't you just set the assume connection flag directly in the source? Jan 31 15:03:34 Jaffa, hmm? let me make sure I committed that Jan 31 15:03:58 qwerty12_N800: I could, but a real replacement for libconic/icd should be done Jan 31 15:04:01 jaffa http://commons.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/Greasemonkey_Hacks/Linkmania!#Remove_URL_Redirections Jan 31 15:04:33 Jaffa, yeah, I've been moaning about conic :) Jan 31 15:05:25 some hacked google *lol* Jan 31 15:05:29 *one Jan 31 15:06:07 Jaffa, can you run apt-cache poilcy hildon-desktop-env ? Jan 31 15:07:31 johnx: yup, one sec Jan 31 15:08:14