**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 06 02:59:58 2009 Feb 06 03:01:00 hmmm what's Mer using as browser at the moment? Feb 06 03:01:32 midori as suggested by the PNG filename? Feb 06 03:02:27 last release, at least, didn't ship with a browser installed; not sure on the current one. Feb 06 03:02:34 Ohhhh Feb 06 03:02:34 Midori does work. Feb 06 03:02:46 May end up being Tear eventually Feb 06 03:02:53 Or could be Fremantle's MicroB Feb 06 03:02:58 Tear? Feb 06 03:03:00 current mer on nokia doesn't have a browser by default, all there is is CP, appmanager, and terminal Feb 06 03:03:16 ah it is pretty bare Feb 06 03:03:20 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=260336 Feb 06 03:03:23 does it at least have an OSK then? Feb 06 03:03:29 WebKit browser for Maemo in Vala Feb 06 03:03:34 Tear is a lightweight webkit browser made for Maemo Feb 06 03:03:48 h-i-m Feb 06 03:04:22 nice Feb 06 03:04:53 in vala? :O Feb 06 03:04:55 * benson figures he should retry this week's Mer. Feb 06 03:05:03 * Jucato wonders if arora has been packaged... Feb 06 03:08:25 does anyone know of any media player for OS2008 that will capture a VLC streaming server? Feb 06 03:08:36 none of them let me add a URL to stream from Feb 06 03:08:42 that i've seen Feb 06 03:10:55 mplayer should work via CLI... GUI frontends, IDK. Feb 06 03:11:52 kmplayer says "buffering" then doesn't do anything Feb 06 03:21:22 I just got screwed big time at Circuit City Feb 06 03:24:11 n Feb 06 03:24:31 ?? Feb 06 03:25:17 AndrewFBlack, surprised? :P Feb 06 03:26:04 No, i just got a Hp MediaShare Connect and its used and has no remote and It can't be used without it Feb 06 03:26:32 Hehe Feb 06 03:27:37 paid with credit card? Feb 06 03:27:50 debit card Feb 06 03:28:49 HP doesn't even sale replacement remotes if I wanted to keep it used Feb 06 03:32:09 I tell you who ever taped the box shut did a dang good job Feb 06 03:33:22 They don't sell replacements? Feb 06 03:33:23 Weird Feb 06 03:33:25 gAn: so, builder seems to be doing one package every 5mins Feb 06 03:33:30 Not very fast Feb 06 03:34:29 timelE61i, indeed. Feb 06 03:34:37 I guess it's not set up to process a thousand tiny packages Feb 06 03:35:37 OH SWEET Feb 06 03:35:39 I GOT IT TO WORK Feb 06 03:35:52 GeneralAntilles, found the part on there parts website but it can't be ordered Feb 06 03:38:14 well... Feb 06 03:38:46 In previous versions of the system we had these and rumor has it fremantle should Feb 06 03:38:46 * b-man runs apt-get dist-upgrade in ubuntu jaunty on his tablet and is shocked to see 51.9mb of space will be freed - and no packages are going to be removed 0_o Feb 06 03:39:14 Creative accounting? Feb 06 03:39:21 Or doc/locale-purge? Feb 06 03:40:05 It's also possible the packages you have were refactored to exclude extras Feb 06 03:53:22 hey b-man your ubuntu jaunty install doesn't use hildon right? Feb 06 03:54:03 yes, it doesn't :) Feb 06 03:54:28 you get FN Numbers working? Feb 06 03:55:32 i believe so, allthough i don't have a hw keyboard, i'm using re-compiled packages from mer/deblet. Feb 06 03:55:33 or using on screen keyboard Feb 06 03:55:48 xkbd ;) Feb 06 03:56:12 trying to get FN button to work with Mer using Lxde but no luck yet Feb 06 03:56:34 hmm Feb 06 03:56:40 I'm using onBoard right now and it runs real slow Feb 06 03:57:10 try xkbd, it's fast, light, and relyable ;) Feb 06 03:57:39 ok, what you using to fix the FN button? Feb 06 03:58:07 keymaps from deblet Feb 06 03:58:32 you got a copy of them so i don't have to download entire deblet? Feb 06 03:58:50 shure, hold on.. Feb 06 04:01:26 i'll be back , i'm getting interupted atm ;) Feb 06 04:01:41 thats cool I'll get it from you in the morning bedtime for me Feb 06 04:02:03 k, c ya Feb 06 04:13:42 is there a place where i can upload VLC settings for optimal streaming? Feb 06 04:13:53 i got the stream to work perfectly after an hour of tinkering with codecs Feb 06 04:14:21 wiki.maemo.org? Feb 06 04:14:43 alright :-) Feb 06 04:15:43 essentially, i bought the n800 to replace my PSP as a media center, and now i've completed all the stuff i wanted to get that goal done. Feb 06 04:16:38 So it works? Feb 06 04:17:13 Btw, what's the battery life for the psp? Feb 06 04:18:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_video_encoding Feb 06 04:19:00 gan: so, if things are in order, 0.1.1 might be up Feb 06 04:19:44 Oh :( Feb 06 04:19:57 It looks like builder rejected the meta package Feb 06 04:21:39 :( it didn't like the dependency format? Feb 06 04:27:43 timelE61i: Yes, works great. And the PSP lasts 2-6 hours, depending on what you do with it. if it's using the UMD, 2 hours, if you're just streaming audio or using it as an MP3 player, it gets 5-6 Feb 06 04:27:57 i'm back :) Feb 06 04:28:15 AndrewFBlack: http://www.bman.maemobox.org/Xmodmap Feb 06 04:28:19 b-man: you're a debian/ubuntu-ish person, no? Feb 06 04:28:20 it's wifi connection is fickle, though. and you can't just drop an application on there to run. also, transcoding video for the PSP is a huge pain in the neck Feb 06 04:28:43 My package failed to be packaged, i'd like help understanding why Feb 06 04:28:45 timelE6li: yes :) Feb 06 04:47:19 * b-man is shocked when his wifi connection jumps from 30kb/s to 1200kb/s 0_o Feb 06 05:15:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/Vlc Feb 06 05:15:56 there, i wiki'd it. Feb 06 05:15:59 :-) Feb 06 05:19:35 oK, qgil and i have boarded Feb 06 05:19:48 See people later Feb 06 05:20:23 Have fun. Feb 06 05:29:27 * b-man sleeps, g'night everyone :) Feb 06 05:56:01 oic, palm releases ARM based PDAs Feb 06 06:05:31 hi does pb's installtools still work? Feb 06 06:05:44 on current maemo Feb 06 06:07:46 43.7 Feb 06 06:42:57 is it just me or there is now way to sync contacts on maemo? Feb 06 06:48:33 helloo Feb 06 06:53:34 anyone out there who has managed to run mer 0.7 on a 770? Feb 06 06:58:53 meetparty, you hit some bug or just wondering? Feb 06 06:59:15 s/meetparty/meetpatty/ Feb 06 06:59:16 slonopotamus meant: meetpatty, you hit some bug or just wondering? Feb 06 06:59:30 i have hit a dproblem Feb 06 07:00:57 oh. they maybe you should ask someone from mer team. johnx & Stskeeps are the most helpful ones :) Feb 06 07:01:18 meetpatty, what kind of a problem? Feb 06 07:02:03 hm.. is there a way to sort of "spoof" a site into thinking that you're not viewing the site from a mobile device? kinda sucks when your device is capable of viewing a normal site, but you're forced to use the mobile-friendly one :/ Feb 06 07:02:24 haha yea, i annoyed Stskeeps last night Feb 06 07:06:00 Jucato: depends on the site, and how it deduces you're on a mobile. Feb 06 07:15:27 looks nice :) http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/kde-42-and-koffice-20-beta-6-available-for-maemo.ars Feb 06 07:18:14 why can't i get Comix to work? Feb 06 07:18:21 decoder zip not available? Feb 06 07:19:54 nm, cbrpager ftw!! Feb 06 07:37:31 ok, modest doesn't care about my CA Feb 06 07:46:28 lol, today I found out debian xfce for n8x0 beta3 is good ,too Feb 06 07:48:24 morning Feb 06 07:48:30 dexterk: but totally undeveloped Feb 06 07:48:39 dexterk: 4.6b3? Feb 06 07:48:40 debian beta3 was johnx, who's doing mer too now ;) Feb 06 07:48:51 on Feb 06 07:48:53 en Feb 06 07:48:55 all beta Feb 06 07:48:57 well, I'm the Xfce Debian maintainer, and I just got an n810… Feb 06 07:49:00 Corsac: beta3 Feb 06 07:49:21 Corsac: johnx did a tar.gz with a pre-setup xfce back in last spring so Feb 06 07:49:40 so as soon as I buy two SD card, I'll use one to install Mer, and another to install a Debian, and start hacking on that kind of stuff :) Feb 06 07:49:45 hehe Feb 06 07:50:29 Corsac: i started building some of the Mer packages for debian-armel (armv4t), it might be interesting Feb 06 07:50:44 to be able to put on armv4t devices Feb 06 07:50:48 (freerunner, for instance) Feb 06 07:52:04 a pure debian armel is installable on armv6 like n810? Feb 06 07:52:09 yeah Feb 06 07:52:17 trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet Feb 06 07:52:49 you need some tricks but else it's installable :P Feb 06 07:53:19 yeah but with a d-i? Feb 06 07:53:22 nah Feb 06 07:53:31 debootstrap and apt-get ;) Feb 06 07:53:53 ok Feb 06 07:54:11 but i wouldn't recommend using deblet.. i have practically abandoned the project and devoting all my time to Mer Feb 06 07:54:21 as it has more potential with regards to power saving etc Feb 06 07:54:46 hmhm, what are exactly the changes wrt a “pure” debian? Feb 06 07:54:49 or ubuntu, for that matter Feb 06 07:55:04 and shouldn't it be nice to update debian/ubuntu with your changes? Feb 06 07:55:14 yeah, but some of them aren't exactly kosher Feb 06 07:55:21 (I know Loic Minier is interesed by Mer but doesn't have time to check on it) Feb 06 07:56:02 debian & ubuntu target desktops and laptops, but not things like tablets (resource-constrained but not "just" a embeddded system) Feb 06 07:56:09 so some things might need additional breaking Feb 06 07:56:46 yeah but it's worth at least trying, imho Feb 06 07:56:56 (ok, maemo mapper just crashed ><) Feb 06 07:57:03 but, yes, the idea is to merge interesting things upstream Feb 06 07:57:11 (and I can't select a route from two POI) Feb 06 07:57:15 yeah, MM is weird in latest update Feb 06 07:57:27 Stskeeps: basically what are the problems with merging? Feb 06 07:57:38 I mean, what is the bad stuff :) Feb 06 07:58:15 well, for tablets, using diablo kernel: you have to fsck before udev starts.. or fsck dies with "Resource busy" Feb 06 07:58:21 you need a nasty workaround for that Feb 06 07:59:27 in any case, Mer is both a proof of concept, a research project and a potential approach to doing Maemo things.. - we're much closer to our upstream than Maemo is, for instance Feb 06 08:00:15 also, the whole concept of having to require /mnt/initfs mounted upon boot :) Feb 06 08:00:31 Mer also uses Maemo GTK, not upstream GTK Feb 06 08:00:42 we do have some seams but we try to limit them :) Feb 06 08:02:45 “Confirm download of 269748234 maps (up to about 1618489.40 MB) Feb 06 08:02:48 maybe not :/ Feb 06 08:03:26 iSCSI on tablet could be interesting ;) Feb 06 08:03:37 eheh Feb 06 08:06:55 how much room is it interesting to have for mer, basically? Feb 06 08:07:03 (as I intend to dedicate it an SD card) Feb 06 08:08:54 2gb card is just fine :P it depends on how crazy you go with having all the packages installed ;) Feb 06 08:09:31 it's about 405mb uncompressed Feb 06 08:09:43 and 180mb in flash (we didn't do docpurge yet) Feb 06 08:09:59 Anyone can hint at the easiest method to load png into memory? Feb 06 08:10:22 (without allocating temp structs, reading info, attaching callbacks, using longjmp etc) Feb 06 08:10:33 use libpng? Feb 06 08:10:40 Corsac: see above Feb 06 08:10:44 (or did i misunderstood?) Feb 06 08:10:46 without all this crap Feb 06 08:10:54 or use gtk? Feb 06 08:11:02 which will wrap calls to libpng, I guess Feb 06 08:11:04 into memory, not a widget Feb 06 08:11:10 oh Feb 06 08:11:19 then just open() and read() it? Feb 06 08:11:26 if you just need the raw data? Feb 06 08:11:27 png2pnm Feb 06 08:11:36 Ok, no easy way? Feb 06 08:11:46 RST38h; maybe imlib2 Feb 06 08:11:54 RST38h; if you just want RGBA32 Feb 06 08:11:56 monkey: thanks, checking Feb 06 08:12:04 ,monkey: yea, basically Feb 06 08:12:17 if you can force the input format no to have weird compression stuff it may be easier Feb 06 08:13:00 RST38h; imlib_image_get_data() is what you want, once you load the image of course. Feb 06 08:13:08 I mean, if you can assume one won't feed you weird stuff, and you can drop them immediately Feb 06 08:13:24 Imlib2 is not on the NIT by default though? Feb 06 08:13:47 RST38h; I was just looking at that part... unfortunately its not :() Feb 06 08:13:59 * RST38h is screwed then Feb 06 08:14:08 Will have to write a wrapper around libpng Feb 06 08:14:13 you could just statically link to it during build Feb 06 08:14:39 or jump the firey hoops of libpng Feb 06 08:15:01 erf, 2GB microSD is like 4.4€ Feb 06 08:15:04 can't statically link as it will violate LGPL Feb 06 08:15:05 (generic one) Feb 06 08:16:21 RST38h; I feel for you then, having used the setjmp API of libpng :/ Feb 06 08:17:14 * RST38h can't believe libpng authors could screw up the API this much Feb 06 08:17:51 RST38h; its sort of like the libflac, having a nice get_tags() call, but no way to update tags without reading chunks and other nasties Feb 06 08:18:13 except libpng has no void* getBytesRGBA32( const char* filename ); Feb 06 08:18:30 all they had to do was implement a png_read(file,,imagebuf,&w,&h)... Feb 06 08:19:14 perhaps you're chance at fame and fortune^W fame by sending a patch in? Feb 06 08:19:41 and then waiting 12-18 months for it to hit the desktop/NIT Feb 06 08:19:57 nah, will wrap and use my own wrapper Feb 06 08:20:23 no desire to argue with another bunch of deadenders about shortcomings in their api Feb 06 08:20:23 that's my policy ;) Feb 06 08:28:12 gdbm fatal: write error Feb 06 08:28:16 mm: I hate you Feb 06 08:32:45 hhmh. Feb 06 08:32:51 the device is loop-rebooting >< Feb 06 08:33:22 hate when that happens Feb 06 08:33:38 what should I do? Feb 06 08:33:51 for future reference: get fanoush's bootmenu or the bootmenu from mer, and add in usb networking telnetd :P is a saver Feb 06 08:33:52 is there some kind of safe mode, something like that? Feb 06 08:34:19 nop. oone of the things we try to solve for mer :P Feb 06 08:34:45 only solution would be to reflash the stuff? :/ Feb 06 08:35:27 correct - and grab the bootmenu.install right after Feb 06 08:35:48 it really saves your ass once in a while :P Feb 06 08:37:21 ok maybe I should go and buy an SD card *before* going to fosdem Feb 06 08:45:40 the worst is having to redo the GPS fix Feb 06 08:47:32 * Mousey cries Feb 06 08:48:00 hmh, I think I managed to start it with init=/bin/sh Feb 06 08:48:04 but that's just useless Feb 06 08:48:14 Corsac: bootmenu works without SD card, btw Feb 06 08:48:32 yeah but I want to put Mer on an SD card Feb 06 08:49:03 and if I take the time to reflash and reconfigure it, maybe I should take the time to install mer too Feb 06 08:49:11 ah Feb 06 08:49:26 meeting up with the rest of the maemo peeps on fosdem? Feb 06 08:49:43 more with debian/xfce guys Feb 06 08:49:50 k Feb 06 08:49:55 http://wiki.maemo.org/FOSDEM_2009 <- Feb 06 08:50:45 is the mer install a flashable image? Feb 06 08:51:02 i have one in store but APT fucks up on jffs2 Feb 06 08:51:30 so it's kinda useless Feb 06 08:53:00 hmh ok Feb 06 08:53:43 problem with me going to buy an SD card is that I'll buy a new HD for my thinkpad too Feb 06 08:56:07 duh Feb 06 08:56:10 it stopped rebooting Feb 06 08:57:01 Stskeeps: where is the bootmenu.install you talked about? Feb 06 09:00:29 sec Feb 06 09:00:36 /dev/mtdblock4 255488 252840 2648 99% / Feb 06 09:00:41 I guess it's related Feb 06 09:02:52 pff, why is /home not on the memory card Feb 06 09:04:14 it is in fremantle :P Feb 06 09:04:21 at least , /home/user/MyDocs Feb 06 09:04:57 extras repository, and http://packages.tspre.org/pool/user/b/bootmenu/bootmenu_1.5-1_armel.deb Feb 06 09:06:09 Morning, all Feb 06 09:06:16 hmhm, I have extra repository and no bootmenu Feb 06 09:06:49 ah, i meant, you need extras repo enabled, and then grab that deb Feb 06 09:06:50 oh, I'll just setup it Feb 06 09:06:52 ok Feb 06 09:07:04 adding the deblet repository doesn't look like a good idea? Feb 06 09:07:21 correct, and you dont have to :P Feb 06 09:07:33 just add extras repository, and grab that deb through browser or wget :P Feb 06 09:07:35 -sh: wget: not found Feb 06 09:07:36 pfff Feb 06 09:07:37 it needs 'rootsh' installed Feb 06 09:07:37 :P Feb 06 09:07:58 and deblet repository is fine, just stick with the 'installer' distribution codename ;) Feb 06 09:18:26 * Stskeeps listens to the mer builder Feb 06 09:22:42 morning lbt Feb 06 09:22:55 morning :) Feb 06 09:23:13 Stskeeps: will a 16Go microSD HC work with n810? Feb 06 09:23:15 we're snowed in Feb 06 09:23:24 Corsac: think so Feb 06 09:23:33 i don't own a n810 though Feb 06 09:29:00 Morning Feb 06 09:32:20 hmhm, I wonder if it's possible to generate a maemo-mapper db from outside the tablet Feb 06 09:33:41 i think i did once really Feb 06 09:34:40 it takes ages on the device Feb 06 09:35:46 check ITT, there's probably some guides Feb 06 09:35:59 another solution would be to use scratchbox on the laptop, but I don't really have time to do that atm :/ Feb 06 09:36:43 Stskeeps: can I use cups on my N800? Feb 06 09:37:05 radic: er, think it's in scratchbox-devel Feb 06 09:37:17 Corsac: technically you can do it in Mer VMDK probably Feb 06 09:37:29 .. but dont go there, maemo-select-location is messed up Feb 06 09:37:58 Stskeeps: but in the software that I use is no printing-support Feb 06 09:38:15 radic: if they exporrt to pdf that's usable :P Feb 06 09:38:58 hmm Feb 06 09:41:56 morning qwerty12 Feb 06 09:42:05 hi Stskeeps :) Feb 06 09:42:09 hi qwerty12 Feb 06 09:42:16 hey radic :) Feb 06 09:42:43 qwerty12: snowed in? ;) Feb 06 09:43:12 No, feeling really shitty :( Feb 06 09:43:48 aw :( Feb 06 09:44:27 i'm working on the 3rd party close sourced package stuff and hoping by god i didn't mess it up totally in the 0.7 thread Feb 06 09:45:27 I think you handled it fine and qgil is doing a good job by offering this opportunity. I just think that some iTT members are overreacting. Feb 06 09:46:47 Stskeeps: anyway I don't really have time for that Feb 06 09:47:35 wtf @ eff-content-fonts.. only thing depending on it is, maemo-blocks Feb 06 09:50:16 Stskeeps: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Onion/Mapper#Using_CLI_osm2db Feb 06 09:53:59 k Feb 06 09:54:08 (it doesn't really build though) Feb 06 10:01:41 We landed... Feb 06 10:02:18 Our first plane had a problem w/ a window Feb 06 10:02:25 ** (process:23965): WARNING **: SQL ERROR 1:(create virtual table way_2d USING rtree ( wid int primary key, min_lat real, max_lat real, min_lon real, max_lon real);) no such module: rtree Feb 06 10:02:29 damn >< Feb 06 10:02:41 So we were moved to a new plane Feb 06 10:05:47 timelE61i: good that you made it safely :) Feb 06 10:06:12 btw, i=timeless@80-186-63-54.elisa-mobile.fi <- looks expensive :P Feb 06 10:06:22 if you're in .be now :P Feb 06 10:07:17 Heh, I've had them work on the engine for 2 hours while we were in the plane looking at the opened engine leaking fluids :) Feb 06 10:08:45 was on a ryanair going back from dublin.. and the amount of passengers didn't match the amount boarded Feb 06 10:08:48 that was 45 minutes delay :P Feb 06 10:09:21 Heh. Yeah, that sucks. Feb 06 10:11:18 ok, it works \o/ Feb 06 10:12:22 company perk global roaming Feb 06 10:12:39 ah Feb 06 10:12:40 lol Feb 06 10:17:21 genewitch: ping Feb 06 10:24:40 timelE61i, you might have global roaming, but needing to take a 45foot antenna with you everywhere you go is a bit of a crimp Feb 06 10:26:03 anyone active with a 770 on OS2007HE or likes? Feb 06 10:30:05 Jaffa: ping Feb 06 10:31:51 Jaffa: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist <- could you browse through this and maybe edit-fy this to make it more suitable for consumption? Feb 06 10:32:25 Stskeeps: will do shortly Feb 06 10:32:26 good morning Feb 06 10:32:43 Jaffa: thanks Feb 06 10:32:43 morning florian Feb 06 10:32:59 Lcuk: you mean my two six jack power strips? :) Feb 06 10:44:06 ok and the “mapper” (not “maemo mapper”) address search doesn't work at all Feb 06 10:53:09 anyone out there who has managed to run mer 0.7 on a 770? Feb 06 11:02:37 meetpatty: i planned to, got trouble Feb 06 11:02:48 meetpatty: but the wifi isnt ready i think Feb 06 11:02:54 meetpatty: r2d2rogers has, I believe Feb 06 11:03:20 'lo meetpatty Feb 06 11:03:38 hey Feb 06 11:05:24 * Stskeeps yawns Feb 06 11:06:18 did any of you made to work the video chat between Maemo and a Linux computer? Gizmo 4.0 isn't available for linux and I tried using Empathy in order to use the "official" video support, but I didn't get very lucky Feb 06 11:06:46 audio works, but video isn't sent for some reason Feb 06 11:06:59 i think there is a guide on iTT somewhere Feb 06 11:07:06 (using Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex) Feb 06 11:08:21 Stskeeps, I've seen a few posts about it, there is where I got the idea of Empathy, some guy even suggested to use SIP accounts but it's quite rare to find one that let's you use video Feb 06 11:08:38 apart from finding a SIP client in Linux with video support Feb 06 11:08:50 (I think he suggested X-Lite in windows) Feb 06 11:50:12 Stskeeps: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Stskeeps/Sandbox/Nokia_Wishlist Feb 06 11:51:36 * timelE61i arrives Feb 06 11:51:36 Jaffa: i kinda intentionally didn't put flash on due to the discussions on it Feb 06 11:51:44 their agreement with flash is very specific so Feb 06 11:52:38 Stskeeps: "citation needed" Feb 06 11:52:52 It's silly not to ask and be told definitively. Feb 06 11:53:00 k Feb 06 11:53:25 Why's it different to any other 3rd party stuff? We're not lawyers, and haven't seen the licences anyway. Feb 06 11:53:30 so, anyone here understand the builder? Feb 06 11:53:50 Jaffa: i haven't seen the licenses either Feb 06 11:53:53 Stskeeps: I also inverted the colours so that red was more important Feb 06 11:54:23 Jaffa: citation needed: Feb 06 11:54:25 qgil: For instance, Flash belongs to Adobe and Skype belongs to Skype Inc. The agreements signed with these companies are framed for official releases going through a quite demanding quality process. If Nokia would let the Mer team (or whoever) grab those binaries for other purposes then those agreements would be in trouble, affecting e.g. the negotiations for Fremantle. Feb 06 11:54:31 EDIT: By the way, forget about an official endorsement on 3rd party applications. 3rd party platform components essential to get the hardware running are a different and more feasible story. Feb 06 11:54:35 that's why :P Feb 06 11:55:03 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=261619&postcount=26 Feb 06 11:55:25 Stskeeps: wasn't that in response to a "just grab it out of the firmware" suggestion by someone (talking out of their arse) Feb 06 11:55:28 ? Feb 06 11:55:32 nop Feb 06 11:55:50 Bollocks Feb 06 11:56:07 (or some other suitable interjection indicating dismay) Feb 06 11:56:37 Stskeeps: the paragraph before the bit you quote is also quite important. Feb 06 11:56:54 mm Feb 06 11:56:57 And the "If Nokia would let" is key, rather than "If Nokia and Adobe decide to let" Feb 06 11:57:07 So, I still think it's worth asking. Feb 06 11:57:36 i think it should be a 3) and a green instead personally Feb 06 11:57:39 i.e. the point (I think) he is making is that Nokia can't decide to let anyone do anything with Flash & Skype, without asking their owners. Feb 06 11:57:52 Is Flash "advanced" usage of an internet tablet? Feb 06 11:57:53 to not get them to go into a raving frenzy :P Feb 06 11:57:58 timelE61i: Still problems? Feb 06 11:58:07 It may not be P2 - personally, I think end-users will think it might be ;-) Feb 06 11:58:39 * Jaffa also wasn't sure whether handwriting recognition is advanced, or what the priority should be. Feb 06 11:58:45 Your doc - edit as you like ;-) Feb 06 12:01:46 if you'd like to as a council member to take on this task you're welcome, - my temper isn't so good with this kind of stuff :) IMHO, when the mail is sent, Red should be indicated as "Important for the success of community firmware images, from technical point of view" "Grey/Green as end-user success of community firmware images - end-users have shown interest in this being possible and it would be good to have a final yes or no if it would be" Feb 06 12:01:50 Many licensing deals are per-device-installed/sold, which makes them of course tricky/impossible to just give away. Feb 06 12:02:02 yeah, obviously Feb 06 12:02:21 and our statement isn't giving away, should -only- go to tablet devices Feb 06 12:03:02 And also certification is required. If Mer does something wrong which causes Flash to suck, it reflects bad on Adobe. Feb 06 12:03:03 i (personally) don't care about anything other than HW, :P Feb 06 12:03:14 Very delicate ;) Feb 06 12:03:18 No harm in asking, of course, but some of the deals might be of such a nature that Nokia doesn't even want to disclose the terms. Feb 06 12:03:30 *nod* Feb 06 12:03:48 i'm happy enough with a Yes/No on he more delicate stuff :P Feb 06 12:05:15 bye & see you at fosdem Feb 06 12:05:18 hf Feb 06 12:41:33 meh, my n810 got powered out during the night Feb 06 12:43:51 x-fade. I just need to know if i need to repush Feb 06 12:46:33 Hi dneary Feb 06 12:46:42 timelE61i: I missed the problem. What broke? Feb 06 12:46:59 the meta package Feb 06 12:47:09 Which is mostly a stupid thing Feb 06 12:47:55 Since i'd rather avoid making dozens of updates to the meta package Feb 06 12:48:42 lo all Feb 06 12:50:12 timelE61i: Do you want me to remove it? Feb 06 12:58:04 hi gladiac Feb 06 12:58:13 gladiac: Still hanging around qutecom? Feb 06 12:58:52 dneary: yep, and sometimes fixing bugs Feb 06 12:59:00 x-fade: can you ask the builder to try again for the meta @ 0.1.1 Feb 06 12:59:28 gladiac: Happy with how things have gone with MBDSys? Feb 06 12:59:35 bUt really, can we fix application manager? :) Feb 06 13:00:04 No, I can't. I need to remove it from the repo and then copy the source package to the queue again. Feb 06 13:00:18 gladiac: I've been a bit disappointedthat they haven't managed to get a 2.2 out yet, but it seems like they really want a quality product Feb 06 13:01:08 ok, can you do that? :) Feb 06 13:01:16 timelE61i: Yep :) Feb 06 13:01:20 thanks Feb 06 13:01:27 Wait Feb 06 13:01:32 language-support-translations-enus1 right? Feb 06 13:01:34 How is it in the repo? Feb 06 13:01:47 Yeah, but 0.1.1, not 0.1 Feb 06 13:01:58 dneary: they work on the next version of qutecom behind closed doors Feb 06 13:02:11 but they still fix bugs in qutecom 2.2 Feb 06 13:02:32 qutecom 2.2 is more or less stable now, it still has serveral bugs Feb 06 13:02:42 timelE61i: Only 0.1 is in the repo, sorry. Feb 06 13:03:02 gladiac: They've mostly been fixing bugs for clients that are getting customised QuteCom versions - like the A1 Austrian guys Feb 06 13:03:16 dneary: I don't need a sip softphone atm so I focus on other things, like my file synchronizer Feb 06 13:03:36