**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 12 02:59:58 2009 Feb 12 03:00:26 4 sata ports on a mini itx mboard? :) Feb 12 03:00:42 I use all my cores, thank you very much, Proteous Feb 12 03:01:10 :P Feb 12 03:01:23 My miniITX computer: http://mike.ogaz.org/hacksprojects Feb 12 03:01:44 added in an additional ethernet card and it's running as a firewall/router now Feb 12 03:02:07 luke-jr: an AMD 64 cpu Feb 12 03:02:35 65w with a low power mode... dual core.. pretty good performance too Feb 12 03:03:36 Proteous: wtf? :) Feb 12 03:03:40 is that an old tape deck? Feb 12 03:03:43 yeah Feb 12 03:03:44 heh Feb 12 03:03:47 hahaha Feb 12 03:03:55 that's .. interesting Feb 12 03:04:19 I hope 65w is the maximum power draw. Feb 12 03:04:27 heh Feb 12 03:04:33 (don't know AMD chips well anymore) Feb 12 03:04:39 yeah, it is Feb 12 03:04:55 what do you use for power? Feb 12 03:05:15 I was going to say - my entire C2Q system pulls barely 120, 1 monitor included. Feb 12 03:05:20 its an 80+ power supply.. 400w I think Feb 12 03:05:24 no video card Feb 12 03:05:35 80plus is really interesting.. Feb 12 03:05:52 macer, a laptop like power brick and a DC/DC tiny power supply that plugs into the 20pin slot Feb 12 03:06:03 that's what i got for my K45 Feb 12 03:06:06 picoUPS? Feb 12 03:06:37 i was just looking for the power port on the back of the box Feb 12 03:06:43 yeah Feb 12 03:06:53 those pictures don't show it, when I took them I didn't have it Feb 12 03:07:00 ah Feb 12 03:07:17 was running it off of a full sized ATX powersupply for a while when I first built it Feb 12 03:07:27 was as big as the tape deck case... Feb 12 03:07:30 http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Shuttle/ Feb 12 03:07:39 i had to get a picoUPS for that thing Feb 12 03:07:46 psu died on me .. what a piece of shit psu it was Feb 12 03:08:09 http://www.fandanta.org/mike/shuttle/ Feb 12 03:08:21 mine was destroyed by the PSU too Feb 12 03:08:22 * Proteous cries Feb 12 03:08:28 well, partialy my stupidity Feb 12 03:08:35 well. the psu didn't kill it Feb 12 03:08:44 trying to run a 12v pump off of the crappy stock PSU Feb 12 03:08:46 but the fan was grinding so loud that i tossed the psu and ordered a picopsu Feb 12 03:09:21 Was wondering...would it be possible for me to setup vlc on my desktop, and then stream a video to my 810 over wireless? Feb 12 03:09:23 HAHAH Feb 12 03:09:27 Proteous: what.. the.. fuck? :) Feb 12 03:09:32 you don't think that was a tad bit overkill? Feb 12 03:10:00 heh, never! Feb 12 03:10:20 it was all for looks Feb 12 03:10:24 what the hell were you trying to run in that thing Feb 12 03:10:25 ? Feb 12 03:10:38 a goddamn 2.0GHz cpu oc'd to 5? Feb 12 03:10:41 heh Feb 12 03:10:42 hahaha Feb 12 03:10:54 I belive it was a 2400+ mobile chip that I was overclocking Feb 12 03:11:08 stock 2ghz, I could get it stable at 2.5 Feb 12 03:11:12 i like the radiator on top Feb 12 03:11:14 nice job Feb 12 03:11:18 thanks Feb 12 03:11:29 custom built i am guesing? Feb 12 03:11:32 yeah Feb 12 03:11:41 well, the waterblocks are from dangerden Feb 12 03:11:52 i'm talking about the radiator frame Feb 12 03:11:56 but the tubing and fittings are custom Feb 12 03:11:57 did you ever finish that? Feb 12 03:12:03 yeah, that is custom too Feb 12 03:12:26 i don't usually do much custom type work Feb 12 03:12:34 don't have the metal skills heh Feb 12 03:12:52 it was just cut from some aluminium square tub Feb 12 03:12:59 no wielding or anything Feb 12 03:13:12 wielding aluminium is hard, even with the right equipment Feb 12 03:13:23 http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Main_Server/05092008054.jpg Feb 12 03:13:27 oops Feb 12 03:13:38 http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Main_Server/ Feb 12 03:13:43 that's my beast of a fileserver Feb 12 03:13:50 although nowadays it's not as nice as it used to be :) Feb 12 03:13:56 heh Feb 12 03:13:56 i love thermaltake armor cases Feb 12 03:14:11 lian-li fan here Feb 12 03:14:22 what i really wanted but could never find is a thermaltake sword case Feb 12 03:14:28 i think they made 4 of them or something haha Feb 12 03:14:31 http://mike.ogaz.org/files/trimonitor.jpg Feb 12 03:14:33 i could never find one Feb 12 03:15:18 i think i am going to start building one of these mini itx boxes Feb 12 03:15:23 what kind of raid card is in your server? Feb 12 03:15:23 am2+? :) Feb 12 03:16:00 areca areca arc-1120 Feb 12 03:16:22 pci-x (remember that?) Feb 12 03:16:26 yeah Feb 12 03:16:41 I have a 3u server sitting in my closet, not running Feb 12 03:16:44 it had its brief moment in history :).. it's a pretty solid card Feb 12 03:16:54 running the 8 drives raid 6 Feb 12 03:17:04 so i get like 5.5 out of them formatted Feb 12 03:17:16 5.5TB Feb 12 03:17:20 it has a 3ware pci-x 8 port raid card in it Feb 12 03:17:23 forgot what model of tyan i have in there Feb 12 03:17:49 it's a dual socket 940.. but i skimpped on the cpus and got 1.8GHz dual core cpus Feb 12 03:18:05 i put 8G in it after those pics Feb 12 03:18:50 so it's a dual dual core 1.8GHz w/ 8G and 8TB Feb 12 03:19:41 http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Dual_P3/ Feb 12 03:19:45 my dns/shell box :) Feb 12 03:19:54 my dual p3/500MHz BEAST Feb 12 03:19:58 hah Feb 12 03:20:20 i used a compact flash as the main drive for it Feb 12 03:20:24 with 2 adapters on it haha Feb 12 03:20:30 and electrical tape Feb 12 03:20:37 nice Feb 12 03:20:53 there is kind of a blurry picture of it Feb 12 03:20:58 was too hard to take a clear one Feb 12 03:21:05 oh yeah.. and zip ties :) Feb 12 03:22:01 i love that computer. it always ran true heh Feb 12 03:22:28 it can still run xp like a champ haha.. with it's PC3200 dimms! Feb 12 03:23:05 heh Feb 12 03:24:17 hmm, an Iridium commercial satellite and an older russian satellite collided in orbit Feb 12 03:25:05 iridium? Feb 12 03:25:10 the sat phone people? :) Feb 12 03:25:12 yeah Feb 12 03:25:19 well.. that can't be good Feb 12 03:25:35 used to use them a lot in iraq to call home Feb 12 03:25:35 1000lb satellite, not cheap to put into orbit Feb 12 03:25:50 god knows teh russians aren't going to pay for it Feb 12 03:25:55 hah Feb 12 03:26:04 wonder if they had satellite insurance Feb 12 03:26:05 even though i'm sure it was their fault Feb 12 03:26:33 iridium doesn't need insurance Feb 12 03:26:38 they have a huge govt contract Feb 12 03:26:50 they can just piggy back it into a nasa shuttle :) Feb 12 03:26:58 heh Feb 12 03:27:20 believe me.. the govt does NOT want to give up those sat phones Feb 12 03:27:35 plus iridium has encrypted phones for military use Feb 12 03:27:41 i'm pretty sure there aren't too many places that do Feb 12 03:28:09 you can go covered with govt issued ciphers Feb 12 03:28:43 FSB2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s) Feb 12 03:28:47 hm Feb 12 03:28:53 johnx: johnx? Feb 12 03:31:13 Someone know about version tags in the debian changelog file? Feb 12 03:31:20 for instance: Feb 12 03:31:30 advanced-backlight (0.14-3) unstable; urgency=low Feb 12 03:31:42 where it says "unstable", what are my other options? Feb 12 03:31:48 AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e Brisbane 2.6GHz Socket AM2 45W Dual-Core Processor Model ADH5050DOBOX - Retail Feb 12 03:32:01 i would get nervous running something over 45W :) Feb 12 03:32:06 on a mini itx board Feb 12 03:32:37 it's traces are just as big as the traces on an ATX board Feb 12 03:32:45 :) Feb 12 03:32:51 well Feb 12 03:32:55 i should have said case Feb 12 03:32:58 as long as you have a good heatsink and fan Feb 12 03:33:01 ah Feb 12 03:33:02 yeah Feb 12 03:33:05 i'm sure any mini itx case i find will have a shit psu Feb 12 03:33:08 heh Feb 12 03:33:09 like my shuttle Feb 12 03:33:16 with its out the box grinding Feb 12 03:33:17 is there a thing I can install to enable .mp3 video playback? Feb 12 03:33:30 .mp3 video playback? Feb 12 03:33:33 use mplayer Feb 12 03:33:42 never heard of mp3 video Feb 12 03:33:48 me neither Feb 12 03:33:54 mpeg2 yes, mpeg4 yes Feb 12 03:33:57 but i'm guessing he means videos encoded w/ mp3 as the audio track Feb 12 03:34:00 mp3, no Feb 12 03:34:09 mpeg2 layer 3 audio Feb 12 03:34:29 I mean't mp4, sorry. Feb 12 03:35:06 Ok...so mplayer successfully opened the file, but it must be too high of a bitrate. Is there a page for "recommended specs or something for the videos? Feb 12 03:35:39 I mean, I was getting like 10spf (10 seconds per frame). Feb 12 03:35:43 heh Feb 12 03:35:51 frames per second Feb 12 03:35:55 yeah, not a lot of power on the NIT Feb 12 03:36:04 your best bet is to use nero. and encode it with an ipod profile Feb 12 03:36:12 at least i found that to be the easiest way Feb 12 03:36:15 Macer: no....no no no...seconds per frame. Feb 12 03:36:21 uhm Feb 12 03:36:27 Macer: if I do that...does it play successfully? Feb 12 03:36:30 I use tversity running on my media server, encodes my files on the fly and streams them to my n810 Feb 12 03:36:34 no... no no no.. frames per second Feb 12 03:36:45 hence... it being called.. fps and not spf Feb 12 03:36:49 seconds are always the same Feb 12 03:36:54 10 seconds per frame == .1 frames per second Feb 12 03:37:24 you don't measure speed with time being first Feb 12 03:37:25 :) Feb 12 03:37:36 you can measure it any way you want Feb 12 03:37:38 :P Feb 12 03:37:47 Proteous: settled then. tversity...I tried vlc to stream...but it didn't quite work...but I didn't know what I was doing. I suppose it isn't much different that setting up a server for a xbox 360 is it? Feb 12 03:37:52 i suppose.. but that would be awkward Feb 12 03:38:12 like people who use dvorak keybaords Feb 12 03:38:20 tversity is pretty simple to setup Feb 12 03:38:36 the systm video podcast did a show on it last week Feb 12 03:38:36 Proteous: and what would i use to see the stuff from my nokia? Feb 12 03:38:49 tversity has a preset for the tablets Feb 12 03:38:59 it can autodetect the device and uses the right encoding settings Feb 12 03:38:59 Proteous: I'll take a look, got a linky? Feb 12 03:39:11 it's windows only Feb 12 03:39:20 Proteous: why the hell? That sucks. Feb 12 03:39:22 not sure if that is a problem Feb 12 03:39:24 heh Feb 12 03:39:27 sorry Feb 12 03:39:34 Proteous: It is a very serious problem. Anything similiar for linux? Feb 12 03:39:52 not sure, maybe mythTV can do it Feb 12 03:39:59 some of these mini itx cases are HUGE Feb 12 03:40:00 wtf? :) Feb 12 03:40:23 just need an old tapedeck... Feb 12 03:40:29 yah Feb 12 03:40:35 i honestly thought the shuttle was rather large Feb 12 03:40:36 Proteous: wonder if it'd work in wine? Feb 12 03:40:49 but i didn't mind when i found out i could put a slim dvd burner in it later on Feb 12 03:41:17 i still don't understand that clear panel concept though.. are you supposed to print up mickey mouse pics and punch holes in it or somthing? Feb 12 03:41:29 heh Feb 12 03:41:31 i suppose i could put a picture of my son in it Feb 12 03:41:37 but that just seems tacky Feb 12 03:42:25 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811190108 Feb 12 03:42:36 look at that... 9.8" deep? Feb 12 03:42:38 wtf? Feb 12 03:42:53 looks like tversity can be run from wine, but the encoding doesn't work Feb 12 03:43:30 Proteous: Do you have any experience with vlc? Feb 12 03:43:46 nothing besides occasional playback with it Feb 12 03:43:53 and what's with the "japanese steel" shit Feb 12 03:43:58 like you are trying to buy a sword or something Feb 12 03:44:06 my kitchen knives are japanese steel Feb 12 03:44:10 Proteous: Do you have it installed? If so...could you take a look at the stream output section and give me a hint if it'd work? Feb 12 03:44:32 i'm sure the $90 case compares to a razor sharp knife ;) Feb 12 03:44:56 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133044 Feb 12 03:45:00 that is as big as the shuttle Feb 12 03:45:22 17.0'' x 11.8'' x 9.1'' Feb 12 03:47:37 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154093 Feb 12 03:47:51 that one is pointless. for something like that you should just build a microatx Feb 12 03:48:16 matt____: http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/06/02/2007/n800-video-streaming-with-vlc/ Feb 12 03:49:59 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=11-166-050-03.jpg&Image=11-166-050-03.jpg%2c11-166-050-05.jpg%2c11-166-050-04.jpg%2c11-166-050-06.jpg%2c11-166-050-07.jpg%2c11-166-050-08.jpg%2c11-166-050-09.jpg%2c11-166-050-10.jpg%2c11-166-050-02.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&WaterMark=1&Item=N82E16811166050&Depa=1&Description=Sunbeam%20ACMI-P-T%20Transparent%20Computer%20Case%20With%20Side%20Panel%20Window Feb 12 03:50:08 ok... that one is interesting Feb 12 03:50:19 ... Feb 12 03:50:27 tinyurl.com plz Feb 12 03:50:38 yah.. sorrry Feb 12 03:50:44 didn't realize how long it was :) Feb 12 03:51:33 GeneralAntilles: pushing ABL 0.15-0 to extras-devel for basic testing Feb 12 03:53:24 * benson applauds, and runs to try it out. Feb 12 03:56:38 matt____: there is a mythTV frontend for maemo called MaemoMyth Feb 12 03:57:43 Proteous: How well does it work? Feb 12 03:57:46 http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/artigo/ Feb 12 03:57:49 heh, no idea Feb 12 03:57:57 wow... now that looks very interesting Feb 12 03:58:23 http://www.n800blog.com/2008/maemomyth-for-the-n800/ Feb 12 04:17:46 damn, i386 build is failing.... i don't really care but it isn't showing up in the promoter for some reason still? Feb 12 04:18:13 hrm Feb 12 04:18:26 X-Fade: chinook promoter is broken? Feb 12 04:21:14 rm_you: X-Fade's offline this week. Feb 12 04:25:43 ah :/ Feb 12 04:38:19 Is maemo.org always this slow to respond? Feb 12 04:55:22 http://via-itx.com/via-vipro-series.html Feb 12 04:57:09 nice :) Feb 12 04:59:48 i am going to buy one of these... Feb 12 04:59:58 http://www.via-itx.com/via-artigo-builder-kit.html Feb 12 05:00:03 that thing is badass :) Feb 12 05:00:11 think i'll put debian on it Feb 12 05:00:18 rm_you, good, now line up .16, .17 and .18 for release every 10 days for about the next month. :P Feb 12 05:00:24 lolz Feb 12 05:01:03 rm_you, you don't even have to change the code. Feb 12 05:01:09 Just "fix" some nonexistent bugs. Feb 12 05:01:38 GeneralAntilles: I is not a corrupt coder :P Feb 12 05:03:13 my checksum is valid? :P Feb 12 06:52:22 Stskeeps: hey, do you know a calendar/contacts sync service on Maemo and/or Mer? Feb 12 06:59:40 mm, well if a small one exists for ubuntu it exists for mer Feb 12 07:00:43 not quite the answer I expected ;p Feb 12 07:01:04 I was a bit surprised Maemo didn't even come with a calendar, in fact Feb 12 07:01:14 well it wasnt a pda, but an IT Feb 12 07:01:27 still Feb 12 07:01:35 but yes, i agree Feb 12 07:01:41 there's also dates-hildon and contacts-hildon and tasks-hildo Feb 12 07:01:41 n Feb 12 07:01:48 for um, works in mer Feb 12 07:01:56 (except maybe dates-hildon, not sure why) Feb 12 07:02:05 yeah, the replica of contacts/dates/tasks Feb 12 07:02:17 which are nice, sure Feb 12 07:02:40 now I just need to find a way to sync them :/ Feb 12 07:02:45 hehe Feb 12 07:03:01 well on the other hand, you dont need to port 56225 libraries to support typical syncing solutions Feb 12 07:03:20 on the third hand, I don't know a really working sync solution on Linux Feb 12 07:03:43 I was a bit hoping that maemo had a magical solution which I could use to sync all my contacts and calendars between phone and computer :) Feb 12 07:03:45 yeah, true. one of the things MS got right :P Feb 12 07:03:53 ho and the device didn't went to sleep last night >< Feb 12 07:04:47 mm Feb 12 07:05:20 I've heard calendars are still hard.. competing standards, and internationalization Feb 12 07:05:28 believe it or not Feb 12 07:05:39 yes, basically they suck Feb 12 07:05:50 there's the iCal standard, but everybody implements it differently :) Feb 12 07:05:55 especially in phones Feb 12 07:06:02 hey I loaded Mer for a minute and it seemed like a ghost town.. I am not that familiar with the repos.. Feb 12 07:06:04 and the way one can access the data is different too Feb 12 07:06:22 can I get the Hildon Python in some relatively straightforward way for mer? Feb 12 07:07:36 with my actual Nokia N800 all I have to do is load one of any number of small apps, and the python setup comes along Feb 12 07:08:06 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Feb 12 07:08:06 hildon-initscripts: Depends: osso-af-startup but it is not going to be installed Feb 12 07:08:11 scary ;p Feb 12 07:08:21 Corsac: what did you try to add? Feb 12 07:08:30 nothing, I just tried a dist-upgrade Feb 12 07:08:34 hmm. Feb 12 07:08:43 darkblue_B: what most people dont realize is that the entire catalogue of ubuntu is there too Feb 12 07:08:52 homeip will drag in python hildon i think Feb 12 07:09:01 which is the last version anyway Feb 12 07:09:19 as osso-af-startup Feb 12 07:09:41 Corsac: what repos do you have added? Feb 12 07:10:18 Stskeeps: thats ok, I run Ubuntu.. b ut I wanted to try to write some Hildon things Feb 12 07:10:33 yes, Home IP brings in quite a bit... Feb 12 07:10:39 http://paste.debian.net/28182/ Feb 12 07:10:46 maybe I shold look again Feb 12 07:11:05 A US Iridium satellite has hit a defunct Russian satellite in an unprecedented space collision. The crash occurred some 790km (491 miles) over Siberia on Tuesday, according to NASA, and produced a "massive" cloud of debris! Feb 12 07:11:19 wow Feb 12 07:11:21 Oh yesss Feb 12 07:11:27 star wars! Feb 12 07:11:31 RST38h: url? Feb 12 07:11:35 * RST38h almost said that Feb 12 07:12:05 http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10162077-76.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 Feb 12 07:12:07 space junk Feb 12 07:13:30 Corsac: thx Feb 12 07:14:00 Corsac: .. on mer or maemo? Feb 12 07:15:12 maemo Feb 12 07:15:22 with Mer I would have ubuntu and mer repository I guess Feb 12 07:15:34 I still didn't had time to buy an SD card :/ Feb 12 07:15:58 ah, ok Feb 12 07:17:11 Stskeeps: adding Debian or Ubuntu repositories to a maemo install sounds like a bad idea, I guess? Feb 12 07:17:35 sounds like something that won't work at all Feb 12 07:17:50 Corsac: Dont Feb 12 07:18:04 ok :) Feb 12 07:20:08 Corsac: bingo, mer and maemo repositories are remotely insane, but they work sometimes cos of pinning Feb 12 07:35:31 r2d2rogers: HAM back up again it seems, must have found a bad time to pull from ubuntu repository when it was built Feb 12 07:40:02 Stskeeps: btw, the Mer base system looks more to Diablo or Freemantle, or to Ubuntu? Feb 12 07:41:07 Corsac: more ubuntu than maemo but more maemo than ubuntu.. is the kinda balance we try to strike. Mer UNIX base system is ubuntu but may be altered to be more Maemo-like in terms of power saving/bootup/etc. Mer UI and some central UI libraries is maemoish Feb 12 07:42:07 but we arent seeing tablets as embedded systems, which means no busybox, for instance Feb 12 07:43:12 hello Feb 12 07:44:11 morning Feb 12 07:44:44 so... how about scrapping Mer, and working on a Plan 9 port :P Feb 12 07:44:47 just kidding Feb 12 07:44:59 * johnx grabs his coffee and sits down Feb 12 07:45:09 morning all Feb 12 07:45:20 what is this "morning" you speak of? Feb 12 07:45:28 Stskeeps: yeah, I meant really base system, especially stuff like initial startup, initscript and stuff like that Feb 12 07:45:28 ~ugt Feb 12 07:45:29 well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Feb 12 07:45:30 jaem: how about we all just buy a warehouse full of tequila instead of coding Feb 12 07:45:42 Corsac: upstart and such really :P Feb 12 07:46:09 sts: that sounds marginally less productive Feb 12 07:46:16 s/marginally/entirely/ Feb 12 07:46:16 jaem meant: sts: that sounds entirely less productive Feb 12 07:46:30 Corsac, that part is very similar to ubuntu right now Feb 12 07:46:32 but that sound more tequilive Feb 12 07:46:42 that sounds like texlive Feb 12 07:46:48 potentially it could change to be more maemo-like if there is a big advantage Feb 12 07:47:27 not sure texlive on a tablet would be a good idea Feb 12 07:47:36 has to be tried.. Feb 12 07:47:38 not sure tequila on a tablet wood be a good one either Feb 12 07:47:42 i mean, latex on 133mhz worked Feb 12 07:47:44 beat me to it Feb 12 07:47:49 * Corsac beats jaem Feb 12 07:48:05 * darkblue_B show three of a kind Feb 12 07:48:25 * jaem dunks Corsac's tablet in Sts' tequila Feb 12 07:48:39 * darkblue_B watches three stooges Feb 12 07:49:15 damnit. its 8:48am and i feel like drinking tequila Feb 12 07:49:16 damn you Feb 12 07:49:17 :P Feb 12 07:49:45 got a bottle that needs finishing right over here :) Feb 12 07:49:52 drop by before I head out for work Feb 12 07:49:58 hehe Feb 12 07:49:58 tequila-over-IP? Feb 12 07:50:08 i am heading to work in a bit too Feb 12 07:51:45 I have an ammendment to make to the UGT definition Feb 12 07:51:54 it's not late night when a member leaves Feb 12 07:51:57 it's early morning Feb 12 07:52:01 usually about 3AM Feb 12 07:52:35 Sprint reporting has gone totally down the drain. Feb 12 07:52:48 * GeneralAntilles needs to incentivize. Feb 12 07:53:38 as opposed to being partly down the drain? Feb 12 07:53:45 stuck halfway, like a ball of hair? Feb 12 07:54:06 and fingernail clippings... Feb 12 07:56:42 jaem, that sounds fair enough :) but still we'd say 'good night' in that case in most English speaking countries :P Feb 12 07:57:08 fair enough Feb 12 07:57:22 it's getting to the time i should be heading to bed Feb 12 07:57:30 I have a four-hour physics lab at 8:30AM Feb 12 07:57:31 GeneralAntilles: make it easier? :P Feb 12 07:57:48 (link it to a jaiku channel or alike, we have a rss channel now :P) Feb 12 07:57:51 channel / plugin Feb 12 07:58:01 but I'm trying to figure out how to install Plan 9 on an old SPARC box, without a monitor Feb 12 07:58:20 Stskeeps, not a bad idea, but I'd rather not resort to an outside service to do it. Feb 12 07:58:29 yeah.. Feb 12 07:58:31 Maybe there's a plugin. . . Feb 12 07:59:35 I'd be happy to test out Mer when I get my tablet back Feb 12 07:59:53 jaem: you can always grab the VMDK too Feb 12 08:00:12 yes, and I may, but I find it easier to use on the real HW Feb 12 08:00:15 (heh, vmdk images might actually make presentations a hell bloody easier on maemo summits..) Feb 12 08:00:29 I think I've finally gotten my warranty problems worked out Feb 12 08:00:30 hehe, at least we have fixed the ctrl-m problem now Feb 12 08:00:45 Nokia messed up on the customs paperwork, and UPS wanted to charge me $64 Feb 12 08:00:56 hhmh, GSMA Mobile World Congress is next week, it's about time to speculate about N9xx, doesn't it? Feb 12 08:01:13 Corsac: iTT is speculation city Feb 12 08:01:14 Corsac, speculation is done. ;) Feb 12 08:01:24 Now we just need an announcement to confirm it. :P Feb 12 08:01:36 yeah, sure Feb 12 08:01:40 the speculation makes me wish I was several hundred dollars richer Feb 12 08:01:52 jaem, hurry up and churn out some packages. Feb 12 08:01:54 that would be the right time, just after the prices drop on n810 Feb 12 08:01:57 Maybe you can snag a discount. ;) Feb 12 08:02:06 but announcement != availability anyway Feb 12 08:02:14 you have some more time to rob a bank or something Feb 12 08:02:23 GA: which packages? Feb 12 08:02:24 I might be willing to trade open development for an N800-style announcement at this point. Feb 12 08:02:33 jaem, any packages. Get your karma up. ;) Feb 12 08:02:42 for Mer, you mean? Feb 12 08:02:44 how was the n800 announcement? Feb 12 08:02:52 I can see about that Feb 12 08:03:03 Corsac, announced and released on the same day. Feb 12 08:03:13 wow Feb 12 08:03:28 I have a VM with scratchbox on my friend's server Feb 12 08:03:46 that sounds like adultery Feb 12 08:03:52 basically announced by CompUSA :) Feb 12 08:04:13 GA: how best to get involved? What needs doing? Feb 12 08:04:14 Is CompUSA sitll around? =) Feb 12 08:04:37 RST38h, nope. that's what happens to people who leak Nokia product info Feb 12 08:04:45 johnx: Scary Feb 12 08:05:10 i still think the moment they release info on the future UI, is when they announce the product, though Feb 12 08:08:12 jaem, if it's Mer you want to help with, talk to Stskeeps and johnx. Feb 12 08:10:54 isn't mer french word for sea? Feb 12 08:12:32 it is Feb 12 08:13:54 hahlo: mmm... I thought it was mêr. I was mistaken. Feb 12 08:14:41 ok Feb 12 08:17:24 there is this untranslatable word play in Spanish about mer and clams... Feb 12 08:18:16 i think it also means more in swedish Feb 12 08:18:20 jaem, sorry, I'm on my way to work, but check out the Mer's sprint page and see if there's anything there that interests you Feb 12 08:18:57 solmumaha: that wouldn't surprise me much, since "mehr" is "more", in German (and they share linguistic roots IIRC) Feb 12 08:19:36 johnx: willdo... I'm not up to much coding at the moment, not having had any experience with GTK/Hildon, but I'll see what I can do Feb 12 08:20:18 is always a good way to learn Feb 12 08:20:56 and 80% of mer work isnt ui coding atm Feb 12 08:21:08 okay, well, I'll take a look Feb 12 08:21:12 right now, actually Feb 12 08:26:56 the double application bug could need some tracking down Feb 12 08:27:04 visible on x86 too Feb 12 08:35:36 uhh... more package install errors Feb 12 08:35:41 I wonder how all of this is happening Feb 12 08:36:01 morning all Feb 12 08:36:29 morning aqua Feb 12 08:37:09 I'm getting a dpkg install when attempting to manually install the apache2 webserver package I got from maemo gargae : http://pastebin.ca/1334661 Feb 12 08:41:07 http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/02/nokia_e75_is_leaked_again.htm Feb 12 08:41:17 Anything familiar? Feb 12 08:45:48 Why can't we get any damn RX-51 leaks? :( Feb 12 08:47:10 Maybe because Nokia does not intend to announce it at the MWC? Feb 12 08:47:20 *gasp* Feb 12 08:47:38 RST38h, but we got N810 and N800 leaks very early on. Feb 12 08:47:45 Anybody been paying attention to the FCC? Feb 12 08:48:23 E))) usually does, and I haven't seen anything there... but neither have I looked for myself Feb 12 08:49:22 General: There appears to be one Nokia device in the FCC right now Feb 12 08:49:31 link? Feb 12 08:49:33 just a footprint image with thelabel Feb 12 08:49:44 looks more like e75 or an e51 replacement Feb 12 08:51:15 http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/02/nokia_e75_is_leaked_again.htm Feb 12 08:51:22 wait, wrong url Feb 12 08:51:30 http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/02/shakira_confirmed_by_fcc.htm Feb 12 08:51:52 hehe... I do that a lot lately, especially because AwesomeWM doesn't handle copy-and-paste as I'm used to Feb 12 08:53:12 Ok, here is a list of Nokia devices currently in the FCC: Feb 12 08:53:36 RM-89, RM-227, RM-244, RM-294, RA-6 Feb 12 08:54:16 RM-294 is E61i Feb 12 08:54:43 Oh wait, there is much much more =) Feb 12 08:58:36 Ok, since E63 US edition, there have been: RM-412, RM-413, both look like candy bars Feb 12 08:59:07 RST38h: erm, that shakira article is a year old? Feb 12 08:59:21 by the way, where do you find the FCC filings, anyways? I've never actually found that part of the site, for some reason Feb 12 08:59:41 No, RM-413 has been submitted to FCC on Dec 23 2008 Feb 12 08:59:53 jaem: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearchResult.cfm?RequestTimeout=500 Feb 12 09:00:05 RST38h: then someone has been typing 2008 all over that article instead of 2009 Feb 12 09:01:00 Nokia has also requested new bands for E71 and E66 Feb 12 09:01:30 aquatix: I trust FCC database more than I trust random bloggers Feb 12 09:01:37 * aquatix wonders what the price of an n97 will be Feb 12 09:01:43 RST38h: true Feb 12 09:02:01 aquatix: more than I can afford Feb 12 09:02:11 my phone is a pathetic piece of garbage Feb 12 09:02:15 (not Nokia) Feb 12 09:02:17 The hardware isn't all that impressive. Feb 12 09:02:27 There are few mine-like devices Nokia has submitted, HF-310 and HF-510 Feb 12 09:02:39 aquatix: Just get a 5800 Feb 12 09:02:41 the vibe motor is pretty much shot, after a year and a half, so I have to purchase a callerID Bluetooth wristband Feb 12 09:02:47 RST38h: nah, i want qwerty Feb 12 09:02:56 aquatix: it does not have the bling but gets the work done Feb 12 09:03:07 aquatix: has got on-screen keyboard too Feb 12 09:03:14 i have qwerty and touchscreen on my m600i and loving it Feb 12 09:03:16 very similar to n8x0 Feb 12 09:03:17 5800's new fw is pretty nice Feb 12 09:03:22 yeah, but i don't like on-screen ones :/ Feb 12 09:03:27 no nice feedback Feb 12 09:03:27 glass: our 5800 got stolen =( Feb 12 09:03:33 glass: getting new one today Feb 12 09:03:34 RST38h: hehe Feb 12 09:03:40 RST38h: they're cheap too tho Feb 12 09:03:50 glass: Not at local salaries =) Feb 12 09:03:55 hehe Feb 12 09:04:07 well, goodnight, everyone Feb 12 09:04:10 jaem: nn Feb 12 09:04:22 maybe i'll just stick with my m600i for another year Feb 12 09:04:22 with any luck, I'll get my N810 back tomorrow, and I can be back in the proverbial loop Feb 12 09:04:29 glass: anyways, additional security training has been given to wife Feb 12 09:04:43 RST38h: heh Feb 12 09:05:01 glass: as in "when you see kid, do not drop everything you have been holding in your hands" Feb 12 09:05:25 ghehehe Feb 12 09:08:27 * Stskeeps yawns Feb 12 09:42:31 'lo meiz Feb 12 09:42:47 Meiz_n810: huomenta Feb 12 09:43:05 hyvää huomenta hahalo Feb 12 09:43:10 oops Feb 12 09:43:18 :) Feb 12 09:43:18 s/hahalo/hahlo/ Feb 12 09:43:38 secret nokialand language Feb 12 09:43:59 hello Sts too Feb 12 09:44:16 * Meiz_n810 is upgrading Mer Feb 12 09:44:52 Meiz_n810: HAM is back working now, and there's the first step for Fn fix Feb 12 09:45:22 i should try mer too Feb 12 09:46:23 Stskeeps: ok Feb 12 09:50:23 imager won't work hildon-theme-selector: Depends: osso-pick-theme but it is not going to be installed Feb 12 09:50:43 Depends: rcrefresh but it is not installable Feb 12 09:50:52 Depends: hildon-control-panel-theme but it is not installable Feb 12 09:51:30 hmm Feb 12 09:52:51 i'll rebuild it for armel Feb 12 09:54:30 alterego: how's the beagle so far? Feb 12 09:55:04 Not really had any time to play with it. Been really busy the past month and now I might be being made redundant. So well .. :/ Feb 12 09:55:10 hehe Feb 12 09:55:17 er, now that was inappropiate.. Feb 12 09:55:29 Don't worry about it ;) Feb 12 09:55:40 read first part of the sentence first and then "busy" :P Feb 12 09:55:42 * alterego blames Bush Jnr :P Feb 12 09:56:11 And all the ass hole bankers/gov'ts that got us into this state of affairs. Feb 12 09:57:08 Hi, alterego. :) Feb 12 09:57:32 * Stskeeps is having a tad of job change too, but from one part of the centre i'm at, from public (uni) to private part Feb 12 09:57:47 Hey GeneralAntilles :) Feb 12 09:58:16 Well, they're making 1/3 of the software engineering team redundant and as I'm the newest employee :/ Feb 12 09:58:51 http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/jumpyoufackersuo1.jpg Feb 12 09:58:56 OTOH, I have a large skill set that no one else in the department, or even the company as a whole has. So that moves more into my favour. Feb 12 09:58:57 (sorry for a repeat =) Feb 12 09:59:18 :D Feb 12 10:00:01 ghehe Feb 12 10:00:01 anybody know about open-source image recognition? Feb 12 10:00:16 So, I've been looking for another Job regardless, because if things are getting this bad that they've got to make so many people redundant across the board, then I guess I should make like a rat and leave this sinking ship ;) Feb 12 10:00:16 pupnik_: ask spammers? Feb 12 10:00:42 pupnik_: or didn't you mean ocr Feb 12 10:00:51 more faces Feb 12 10:00:56 ah Feb 12 10:00:59 pupnik: only academic projects Feb 12 10:01:12 pupnik_: recognition of faces, or only `this is a face' Feb 12 10:01:19 recog Feb 12 10:01:27 hm Feb 12 10:01:48 hi-dev webcam Feb 12 10:01:50 def Feb 12 10:02:26 bought an ebike. selling a car Feb 12 10:03:44 "Hi-Dev" still sounds cool though ;) Feb 12 10:09:15 Stskeeps: can i flash mer to disk like diablo? Feb 12 10:09:36 yes, we dont provide a jffs2 image yet, so it installs only on SD Feb 12 10:11:53 ok Feb 12 10:16:31 is the lidonmm shared library pre-installed on maemo devices? Is there some list of bundled applications and libraries somewhere? Feb 12 10:16:41 s/lidonmm/hildonmm/ Feb 12 10:16:41 SaBer meant: is the hildonmm shared library pre-installed on maemo devices? Is there some list of bundled applications and libraries somewhere? Feb 12 10:36:28 Stskeeps: does mer have own kernel? Feb 12 11:00:53 I like it when they expect you to pay hardcover prices for ebooks that have been in paperback for months. Feb 12 11:01:53 I find it cheeky to charge the same for an ebook as the paperback Feb 12 11:02:21 imho, if you buy a paper copy, you should get a ebook as well Feb 12 11:02:48 LinuxCode, yes, well, that's at least _mildly_ less ridiculous than charging orders of magnitude more. Feb 12 11:02:58 just visit the publishers webpage and enter a code printed inside the hardcopy? Feb 12 11:03:05 Let's hope publishers die horribly sometime soon. Feb 12 11:03:06 * RST38h points it out that a ebook is basically a text file Feb 12 11:03:16 Not a very large one too... Feb 12 11:03:17 The book industry is a messed up place. Feb 12 11:03:30 GeneralAntilles: most middle man indistrues are Feb 12 11:03:31 some books have discs in them with the ebook on Feb 12 11:03:36 which i find is a nice touch Feb 12 11:04:14 t_s_o, what code ? Feb 12 11:04:21 no starch does that ? Feb 12 11:04:27 and oreilly ? Feb 12 11:04:37 LinuxCode: it was a thought experiment Feb 12 11:04:43 ahhh Feb 12 11:04:44 k Feb 12 11:04:49 sadly they dont afaik Feb 12 11:05:14 nope Feb 12 11:05:51 to bad that current poppler does a bad job when converting pdf to text, the line breaks become hardcoded... Feb 12 11:06:08 Hi! I recently found my N770 and it was having some odd problems when I boot it Feb 12 11:06:13 Bleh Feb 12 11:06:15 PDFs are evil Feb 12 11:06:26 If it finds a wireless network that it knows of it constantly reboots Feb 12 11:06:30 resulting in some odd paragraphs no matter how i tune fbreader Feb 12 11:06:37 unless I have the power connected Feb 12 11:06:48 still, i think there was some patches on its way to "fix" that Feb 12 11:06:48 should I try to change battery? Feb 12 11:07:01 or could it be a hardware problem? Feb 12 11:13:13 hahlo: no, same as diablo Feb 12 11:14:05 Meiz_n810: should work now. Feb 12 11:18:36 * RST38h strokes his evil PDF Feb 12 11:18:45 ok Feb 12 11:22:08 HeMan: i think there's some cx3110x patches Feb 12 11:27:55 Stskeeps: I've tried both with the original OS image and 2008 HE with the same result Feb 12 11:28:23 Stskeeps: the original OS was the one that I had it running with before I put it away Feb 12 11:28:40 mm Feb 12 11:28:55 why on earth does python-gnome2-extras provide gtkmozembed Feb 12 11:42:26 * Stskeeps ponders idly what this 'testing' repo on repository is aboot. Feb 12 11:44:20 OT, but anyone happen to know how a C++ string is held in memory? Specifically std::string and for MS C++ Feb 12 11:47:24 Stskeeps: Can you point to a resource? i.e. a URL or dir? Feb 12 11:47:57 jeremiah: hmm? Feb 12 11:48:29 Ugh, FBReader crashing on start. Feb 12 11:48:31 jeremiah: if it's about p-g-e and gtkmozembed, i'm just complaining about weird places to put python packages, in ubuntu :) Feb 12 11:49:01 then again i have to earn my pay somehow.. Feb 12 12:02:09 Today's LWN contains a piece about "Power management in Nokia's next Maemo device" from a talk at FOSDEM Feb 12 12:02:20 Related to what we've already seen Feb 12 12:02:29 * Stskeeps looks Feb 12 12:02:43 oh blah, not a subscriber Feb 12 12:02:50 http://lwn.net/Articles/318727 Feb 12 12:02:56 I can get a non-subscriber link Feb 12 12:03:07 http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/318727/fcca2ede5b608583/ Feb 12 12:04:08 ta Feb 12 12:04:42 end of feb, hmm :P Feb 12 12:06:36 Stskeeps: Oh, okay. :) Feb 12 12:08:57 (my job description is maintaining userland and making hw work for pervasive healthcare projects, part Mer, part work-specific distribution :P) Feb 12 12:09:48 I was at that talk Feb 12 12:10:12 the first one, by Matthew Garrett Feb 12 12:11:09 * Stskeeps is still waiting patiently for the maemo on beagleboard slides Feb 12 12:22:31 Stskeeps: Hmm, interesting work. Feb 12 12:22:34 In England? Feb 12 12:22:38 jeremiah: .dk Feb 12 12:22:45 ah. I am in .se Feb 12 12:23:12 i'm a masters thesis-writing comp.sci student working parttime for the uni, so :P Feb 12 12:23:37 Are you dansk? Feb 12 12:23:39 Stskeeps: the Maemo on BeagleBoard slides are here: https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/880/370/maemo-beagle-fosdem2009.pdf Feb 12 12:23:39 yeah Feb 12 12:23:44 tekojo: oh, finally, - ta Feb 12 12:24:07 And I'll tell Juha to be more noisy about his doings :-) Feb 12 12:24:15 Stskeeps: No problem Feb 12 12:24:17 Stskeeps: 1. Do you blog about Floss-y type things? 2. Would you like to be part of http://fnoss.org/planet ? Feb 12 12:24:29 Juha? Feb 12 12:24:38 jeremiah: not blogging (yet), but i might start soon, with Mer-related stuff Feb 12 12:24:53 Corsac: Juha Kallionen, the guy who runs Maemo on BeagleBoard Feb 12 12:25:01 Works for me, send the feed when you are up and running. Feb 12 12:25:03 ha, not Juha Kautto ;p Feb 12 12:25:52 Corsac: Juha is probably among the three most common male first names in Finland :-) Feb 12 12:27:46 tekojo, is he blogging? Feb 12 12:29:34 GeneralAntilles: He has rights to the Maemo DP blog, I should push him to write more Feb 12 12:30:15 tekojo, I was thinking if he were blogging somewhere and it weren't syndicated to Planet. . . . Feb 12 12:31:01 GeneralAntilles: Not that I know of. At least he's not blogging about anything Maemo related Feb 12 12:41:39 Stskeeps: Mer-ry stuff ;) Feb 12 12:42:53 mgedmin, I meant to thank you for pointing out that ebook article. It was a good read. Feb 12 12:43:10 yes, it was Feb 12 12:48:11 tekojo: was that beagleboard filmed ?. Feb 12 12:53:41 rzr: filmed? Feb 12 12:53:56 tekojo: yes videos ? Feb 12 12:54:09 like the debian conferences Feb 12 12:54:29 rzr: I don't know, I'll ask, but I don't think so Feb 12 12:54:48 rzr: sorry, no Feb 12 12:54:57 a hollywood blockbuster, starring the beagleboard as ...? Feb 12 12:57:19 tekojo: too bad :(, about the pdf is it ok to publish the link on http://www.newlc.com/en/2009-events-fosdem-now-wmc-next ? Feb 12 12:57:30 mgedmin: as the powerful interconnect between the geeky hacker, the big banks and his secret crush Feb 12 12:58:16 rzr: I think so, it's on the Maemo on Beagle garage page, so public. Feb 12 12:58:29 ok Feb 12 12:58:56 rzr: Juha K isn't just too keen on drawing attention to the project just yet, as he feels it is still a bit wobbly :-) Feb 12 12:59:34 :) Feb 12 12:59:56 Told him it will anyway get better over time :-) Feb 12 13:04:45 tekojo: He should publicise more, otherwise Mer could steal his thunder ;-) Feb 12 13:11:54 Jaffa: mm, i'm worried that maemo-beagle won't be awarded it's proper attention cos of 0.8's beagle port as well. - having an opening from nokia within running maemo outside the traditional tablets should be given a lot more attention :P Feb 12 13:13:41 Stskeeps, any specific reason why you are so keen on beagle ? Feb 12 13:13:54 LinuxCode: i have two in my office.. do i need more reason? Feb 12 13:14:01 hehe Feb 12 13:14:22 just thinking on a small device, where saving power is essential Feb 12 13:14:30 beagle is a bit.... Feb 12 13:14:37 annoying Feb 12 13:14:42 you're thinking beagle sw, i mean beagle hw? :P Feb 12 13:14:47 ahhh Feb 12 13:14:49 sorry Feb 12 13:14:55 haha Feb 12 13:15:16 I thought it was a bit odd Feb 12 13:16:32 Jaffa: .. and i guess it's also a consequence of not "just taking" maemo5 pre alphas and trying to get it to boot, and instead reconstructing maemo Feb 12 13:16:53 which may be controversial but also a hell lot more fun :P Feb 12 13:33:32 wb meiz Feb 12 13:34:15 tnx Feb 12 13:34:37 Fn key near? Feb 12 13:34:59 you remember the FDI stuff? Feb 12 13:35:45 on itT? Feb 12 13:36:16 yeah, but i meant more like the fdi stuff for HAL copied to maemo or something Feb 12 13:36:30 maybe the Xmodmaps for Fn will work now Feb 12 13:38:07 how about theme selector, does it work? Feb 12 13:38:14 sec Feb 12 13:42:55 theme selector works too Feb 12 13:43:06 wow, this is a big font Feb 12 13:43:21 Meiz_mer: can you install 'xev' and run it, and see if you get any input when clicking Fn? Feb 12 13:43:32 ok Feb 12 13:43:40 (it will show in the console though..) Feb 12 13:44:54 hola world) Feb 12 13:45:07 hi wazd Feb 12 13:47:17 Just finished Ti84+ skin, looks very nice) Feb 12 13:49:09 dpkg naggs about nanos missing docs :( Feb 12 13:49:55 we dont use docpurge anymore, afaik Feb 12 13:52:40 what am i supposed to do with xev? Feb 12 13:52:59 how can in see if Fn works? Feb 12 13:53:13 hmm. terminal, xev > logfile Feb 12 13:53:29 click fn when xev is up in the window, close xev, send me logfile Feb 12 13:54:36 can pimlico actually sync with evolution or that is still not available Feb 12 13:58:04 Stskeeps: trac.tspre.org/meiz/xevlog Feb 12 13:58:26 it looks like xev notices the key Feb 12 13:58:52 after xev was started i just pressed the Fn and closed it Feb 12 13:59:06 Meiz_mer: yes, it notices it, ta Feb 12 14:00:15 hey..could someone please test some packages on a diablo tablet? Feb 12 14:00:51 I repacked streamripper for armel but I can'T test it because mine is in the repair shop Feb 12 14:00:52 .. Feb 12 14:01:17 [streamripper] http://rapidshare.com/files/196857825/streamripper_armel.all.tar.gz Feb 12 14:01:39 all dependences are inclueded Feb 12 14:06:38 what would I put in my desktop files to keep them from showing up in Hildon, I tried NotShowIn=Hildon; but didn't work Feb 12 14:20:47 wow sts your on a N801 Feb 12 14:22:07 watching record of lodoss war Feb 12 14:22:09 heh Feb 12 14:41:06 GeneralAntilles: ain't you got anything better to do than waiting for me to commit the one mistake I'll always get wrong? :P Feb 12 14:42:44 GeneralAntilles, Ti84+ or Ti83+?) Feb 12 14:42:45 crashanddie: i get confused constantly what is what really Feb 12 14:44:33 crashanddie, no. Feb 12 14:44:37 Stskeeps: "Maemo" is the Nokia funded project, which englobes the codebase, etc. "maemo.org" is the Open Source Community response that formed around that project Feb 12 14:44:39 wazd_n800, what's the question? Feb 12 14:44:39 if I get it right Feb 12 14:44:47 (which I probably don't) Feb 12 14:44:47 crashanddie, no. Feb 12 14:44:58 Maemo is a software platform produced by Maemo Software, a division of Nokia. Feb 12 14:45:13 GeneralAntilles, hello kitty skin :) Feb 12 14:45:21 wazd_n800, lol, I was kidding. Feb 12 14:45:30 Hellokitty? Feb 12 14:45:33 where's hellokitty? Feb 12 14:45:35 GeneralAntilles, aww( Feb 12 14:45:36 meaow? Feb 12 14:45:37 The TI-84+ is the only skinnable one of the two, though. Feb 12 14:45:40 pink? Feb 12 14:45:56 wazd_n800, still, if you want to do it, don't let me stop you. :P Feb 12 14:46:15 crashanddie, you would've been largely correct 8 months ago. Feb 12 14:46:17 But not anymore Feb 12 14:46:18 https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand Feb 12 14:46:42 GeneralAntilles: can't really be bothered. People understood what I meant, end of discussion. Feb 12 14:46:56 GeneralAntilles: but I do understand and respect your point. Feb 12 14:47:21 crashanddie, my goal is for it to be less confusing for everybody. Feb 12 14:47:39 GeneralAntilles: how about calling maemo.org Maemo, and Nokia Nokia? Feb 12 14:47:41 The only really confusing part is people mixing up the situation pre-reorg and post-reorg Feb 12 14:47:52 crashanddie, because Maemo is a trademark owned by Nokia. Feb 12 14:48:04 as if Feb 12 14:48:11 (they give a dog's bollocks) Feb 12 14:48:45 For the same reason you can't create an application today called "Maemo x" Feb 12 14:48:52 You'd be violating Nokia's trademark. Feb 12 14:50:13 so how is maemo mapper called now? ;P Feb 12 14:50:33 AStorm, because it was named before Nokia took up the brand Feb 12 14:50:39 So it received amnesty. Feb 12 14:51:06 Other Maemo Weather :) Feb 12 14:56:02 rename to Other Monitor of Weather Feb 12 14:56:02 ;) Feb 12 14:56:35 GeneralAntilles: anyway, other than pedantism, nothing to add to the conversation about budgeting? Or do you feel you're not concerned because you won't attend anyway? Feb 12 14:56:54 crashanddie, I don't have anything to add at the moment, no. Feb 12 14:57:03 I'll look over it more closely and put in my thoughts later. Feb 12 15:16:52 just drop the ma part. or call it mämö, or mömmö Feb 12 15:17:18 that read as "or call it mDmG, or mGmmG" Feb 12 15:17:38 mGmmg Weather...Cool Feb 12 15:17:53 umlauts Feb 12 15:18:02 jaska: cp1251. no umlauts. Feb 12 15:18:33 lol Feb 12 15:18:34 latin9 for me.. iirc Feb 12 15:18:36 mömmö Feb 12 15:18:43 instant rofl Feb 12 15:19:03 that was my first thought when i saw maemo years ago :) Feb 12 15:19:41 hehe, unfortunately I heard about it in Openmind together with the story of how they actually invented the name Feb 12 15:20:08 also the ae turns into an ä in my mind.. or the ma and emo get separated Feb 12 15:20:16 * RST38h seriously does not understand this discussion though: unless the product with "maemo" in its name is grossly inappropriate, why not allow the author to use the word? Feb 12 15:20:31 Maemo Mapper, Maemo Weather, Maemopad - they all contain "maemo" for a reason. Feb 12 15:20:33 well, trademarks are just another form of imaginary property Feb 12 15:20:43 "legacy" Feb 12 15:20:56 none of them would if written today Feb 12 15:21:21 but, when was the last time you used Mozilla based browser for Maemo? :) Feb 12 15:21:41 jaska: in this case, the word is used with respect and for appropriate reasons Feb 12 15:21:45 the last time I used my 770? Feb 12 15:21:59 erm, wasnt that opera-based Feb 12 15:22:11 there was an unofficial release for the 770 Feb 12 15:22:16 so it's possible he grabbed it Feb 12 15:22:38 jaska: 2007HE had microb Feb 12 15:22:41 who? Feb 12 15:22:47 who grabbed? Feb 12 15:22:48 also sometimes it turns into mamo in my mind.. which means 'a wuss' Feb 12 15:22:49 huh? Feb 12 15:22:54 afaik Nokia granted those current Maemo mappers etc. the right to continue to use those names. Feb 12 15:23:06 roope: Which is the sane thing to do Feb 12 15:23:13 hm Feb 12 15:23:19 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ Feb 12 15:23:28 but in order to control the name and the copyright, new apps can't just start to use that name. Feb 12 15:23:54 roope: right, there were grandfather grants Feb 12 15:24:02 roope: they are still controlling name and copyright, even if some application heavily relying on maemo has "maemo" in its name Feb 12 15:24:12 the nice thing about microb is that Facebook works with it Feb 12 15:24:17 opera didn't Feb 12 15:24:32 which version of flash do you have? Feb 12 15:24:35 roope: For example, I call my app "fMSX-Maemo" - this simply signifies that it is a Maemo port Feb 12 15:24:35 Qgil explained this to me once. it made some sense. Feb 12 15:24:41 *shrug* never bothered with facepalmbook Feb 12 15:25:04 the saturday of fosde one of my hostesses tried to use my n800 to visit facebook Feb 12 15:25:06 she said it didn't work Feb 12 15:25:12 it turns out, i had the lame version of flash Feb 12 15:25:19 so i had to install the 'fix flash version' patch Feb 12 15:25:23 pffft Feb 12 15:25:34 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/flash-player-r48-0.1.deb Feb 12 15:25:34 there's no flash in facebook, apart from some stupid apps that use it Feb 12 15:25:38 or the movie thing Feb 12 15:25:39 substitue 'Maemo' with some other competitor name. i can't do a ... erm. Windows Music client. or whatever. Feb 12 15:25:42 who cares Feb 12 15:25:59 myrtti: i wouldn't know Feb 12 15:26:05 i don't use facebook Feb 12 15:26:11 good for you Feb 12 15:26:12 roope: "Windows" is used left and right Feb 12 15:26:14 but people will ditch a device if facebook doesn't work Feb 12 15:26:17 that little i know Feb 12 15:26:31 roope: they can't use Microsoft or Microsoft Windows Feb 12 15:26:41 rst38H: yes, and they've had problems with the trademark because of that. Feb 12 15:26:50 yes, that was probably a bad example. Feb 12 15:26:57 roope: They had problems because it is a dictionary word Feb 12 15:27:11 roope: Intel had the same problems with "586" and ended up with "Pentium" Feb 12 15:27:16 rst38h: be kind to roope Feb 12 15:27:16 it's the Hoover problem. Feb 12 15:27:28 Windows isn't a word in roope's native language Feb 12 15:27:31 instead there's Ovi Feb 12 15:27:37 ikkuna Feb 12 15:27:39 roope: healthy? Feb 12 15:27:52 ikkunat/ikkunoita.. well, windows would probably be ikkunasto Feb 12 15:27:58 (bunch of windows) Feb 12 15:28:26 ovi is door :) Feb 12 15:28:36 jaska: Ovi is a dumb name for a product by Nokia Feb 12 15:28:50 i'm looking for a parallel not a translation Feb 12 15:28:50 oh, never seen it Feb 12 15:28:55 Hoover ended up as a word for vacuum cleaners. then again, it's not the worst problem in the world to have. Feb 12 15:28:57 you've never seen ovi.com? Feb 12 15:29:01 no Feb 12 15:29:11 Kleenex is the better example Feb 12 15:29:15 most people don't remember Hoover Feb 12 15:29:19 generalized trademark Feb 12 15:29:30 the other examples are Xerox and Ketchup Feb 12 15:29:31 yes, kleenex. Feb 12 15:29:41 i didnt know ketchup was one :) Feb 12 15:29:42 and i certainly never hoover'd Feb 12 15:29:49 Heinz Ketchup Feb 12 15:29:59 roope: for a brand to become a dictionary word is a huge success Feb 12 15:30:14 rst38h: and yet a failure Feb 12 15:30:15 roope: But I do not think Maemo has that much of potential :) Feb 12 15:30:54 rts38h: well yes in a way, but then you can't stop anyone else from marketin their products with that name. Feb 12 15:31:13 roope: if your trademark is registered you can Feb 12 15:31:20 roope: that is BEFORE it becomes a dictionary word Feb 12 15:31:27 roope: See "google" Feb 12 15:31:45 bluray was named that instead of blueray because of this Feb 12 15:31:53 lol Feb 12 15:31:54 > Feb 12 15:31:55 In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration has prohibited the use of the word "ketchup" on product labels unless the product conforms to a set of strict guidelines. All products marketed as ketchup in the United States must be thickened only with tomato solids, and the viscosity of the sauce must be within a very narrow range. The nutrient content of the sauce is also tightly regulated. Feb 12 15:31:57 < Feb 12 15:32:21 well, yankees have weird stuff about calling beer "malt liquer" Feb 12 15:32:45 s/liquer/liquor/ Feb 12 15:32:46 jaska meant: well, yankees have weird stuff about calling beer "malt liquor" Feb 12 15:33:22 aww, colored ketchup is no longer for sale Feb 12 15:33:51 green ketchup or? Feb 12 15:35:11 green, purple, pink, orange, teal, and blue Feb 12 15:35:29 blue ketchup... *shakes her head* Feb 12 15:36:03 * timeless thanks English for gendered pronouns Feb 12 15:36:24 they served blue rice for us at the introductionary trip in the beginning of my studies, heh Feb 12 15:36:27 that was terrifying Feb 12 15:36:44 bah, i often end up calling women him/he :) Feb 12 15:36:49 bluechips rock Feb 12 15:37:00 and typically people get referred as it in finnish anyway Feb 12 15:37:35 yeah, you aren't people Feb 12 15:37:38 you're just things Feb 12 15:37:58 timeless: "Furthermore, Finno-Ugric languages lack grammatical gender and thus use one pronoun for both he and she; for example, hän in Finnish, tämä in Votic, tema in Estonian, Å‘ in Hungarian." Feb 12 15:38:04 jaska: That's because there's legal limits on the alcoholic content of "beer" in many states. Feb 12 15:38:05 ♥ Finnish language Feb 12 15:38:18 i wonder if language reflects mindset too Feb 12 15:38:34 myrtti: i've spent a year studying finnish here Feb 12 15:38:36 as in, in .dk we dont really see Feb 12 15:38:38 timeless, she needs to update to the latest release. . . . Feb 12 15:38:39 i don't need the lecture Feb 12 15:38:42 'it' as something with feelings :P Feb 12 15:38:45 third person for people often ends up as 'it' Feb 12 15:39:07 timeless: you do :) Feb 12 15:39:09 * Myrtti hides Feb 12 15:39:29 he/she feels a bit sexist, for a Finn. Feb 12 15:39:43 timeless: sorry, I haven't been following your lifes story Feb 12 15:39:59 gan: where's that from Feb 12 15:40:27 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ <- i'm somewhere there Feb 12 15:40:37 timeless, the flash fix shipped in 36-5 onward Feb 12 15:40:51 * Stskeeps ponders idly if he will be laughed out of the building if he brings his mertop as only thing for a smallish lan party next weekend as his laptop is in repair shop. Feb 12 15:41:17 gan: my device Feb 12 15:41:38 timeless, then it's time to upgrade. Feb 12 15:41:48 gan: hey Feb 12 15:41:59 friday before fosdem i upgraded my n810 proto to the last week Feb 12 15:42:11 it was running a pre shipping os Feb 12 15:43:26 36-5 o.O Feb 12 15:44:24 what was the release before 36-5? :) Feb 12 15:44:30 30-2 Feb 12 15:44:58 i think mines uuh, 23-14? Feb 12 15:45:10 jaska: wrong version series Feb 12 15:45:17 ah :) sorry Feb 12 15:45:30 according to this there was a 3.2 (4.2007.26-8) Feb 12 15:45:38 my device is from there Feb 12 15:45:45 * GeneralAntilles is talking 2008 Feb 12 15:45:58 oh, well Feb 12 15:46:04 fine. i'm in a different version series Feb 12 15:46:10 jaska, time to upgrade. Feb 12 15:46:11 so none of your numbers mean anything to me :) Feb 12 15:46:23 You're 3 versions behind. Feb 12 15:46:28 3? Feb 12 15:46:45 havent checked.. itll probably end up borking my terminal Feb 12 15:46:51 23-14, 30-2, 36-5, 47-3 Feb 12 15:47:09 wait, which you Feb 12 15:47:18 i'm at least 4 versions behind :) Feb 12 15:47:23 me i guess?:) Feb 12 15:47:29 * timeless guesses so Feb 12 15:47:31 jaska Feb 12 15:47:47 jaska: control panel>about product Feb 12 15:47:56 gan: got time to try another 0.1.2pre? Feb 12 15:48:49 30-2, 23-14 was just in the hostname (confusing :) Feb 12 15:49:04 jaska, yeah, hostname fails at updating. :\ Feb 12 15:49:14 on maemo, hostname fails Feb 12 15:49:19 * johnx returns Feb 12 15:49:19 yeah yeah Feb 12 15:49:21 so it would seem :) Feb 12 15:49:22 which reminds me Feb 12 15:49:34 timeless, probably, but I'm waiting for the Advil to kick in on this headache, so I'm not much use for staring at strings. Feb 12 15:49:36 guess i need to go rummage for changelogs Feb 12 15:49:40 my Diablo-Mer is missing Bluetooth Feb 12 15:50:02 timeless, blueman or gnome bluetooth applet Feb 12 15:50:04 your choice Feb 12 15:50:10 so i know whatll bork/unbork Feb 12 15:50:23 johnx: i was hoping to install the diablo connection manager Feb 12 15:50:26 i need to test strings Feb 12 15:50:26 * Myrtti needs a break Feb 12 15:50:42 timeless, you're really a masochist, huh? Feb 12 15:50:52 johnx: i have virtually everything installed Feb 12 15:50:56 i posted a picture Feb 12 15:51:04 * johnx shakes his head sadly Feb 12 15:51:13 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mer-lcars.png Feb 12 15:51:16 is a 'before' Feb 12 15:51:47 * timeless wonders where after is Feb 12 15:51:48 johnx: or just as insane as you and me.. Feb 12 15:52:13 yeah, suppose so :) Feb 12 15:52:27 closed source stuff just bugs me though :/ Feb 12 15:52:48 linear algebra bugs me atm Feb 12 15:53:16 actually my current most hated list is: xfbdev and tslib not playing nice Feb 12 15:53:37 we got Fn working on n810 btw Feb 12 15:53:56 had to use Xmodmap though Feb 12 15:54:06 hmm, no vte/xterm changes, oughta work then Feb 12 15:54:13 ah, very nice Feb 12 15:54:25 jaska: hmm, curious, what did you change and why? Feb 12 15:54:29 I'm getting *nothing* out of tslib right now :/ Feb 12 15:54:48 johnx: is synaptics uninstalled? Feb 12 15:54:55 think i removed the borders (qwerty12s fixes) Feb 12 15:55:02 .. if it is an xorg server Feb 12 15:55:16 ah, I'm only having problems with tslib in xfbdev Feb 12 15:55:26 xfbdev is a kdrive server like xomap Feb 12 15:55:35 jaska, jott's fix :). It's the maemo vte svn now Feb 12 15:55:44 ahh, ook :) Feb 12 15:56:03 sorry, been a while and the box that runs the sdk has been reinstalled Feb 12 15:56:33 hey Omegamoon :) Feb 12 15:56:57 johnx: good afternoon Feb 12 15:58:59 oh well, guess i'll have to lose the uptime, been using it as a terminal when im not near a laptop/desktop mostly Feb 12 16:00:11 Omegamoon, almost happy with my package. just tracking down an issue with tslib. what version of xfbdev are you using in zubuntu right now? Feb 12 16:01:14 ah, better check that i have the keyboard layouts backed up too Feb 12 16:01:23 112d 1h :) Feb 12 16:01:40 johnx: good question, one moment Feb 12 16:01:55 otherwise ok.. the keyboard backlight just lags when going on.. and suddenly turns off Feb 12 16:05:07 johnx: xfbdev 1.3.0.0-r21 Feb 12 16:05:14 huh Feb 12 16:05:15 same here Feb 12 16:05:45 having issues with making tslib work in xfbdev Feb 12 16:05:53 other than that it seems to be ok Feb 12 16:10:25 hello Feb 12 16:10:31 one simple question Feb 12 16:10:57 how can I enable root without reflashing with no wifi or bt present? Feb 12 16:11:19 Can you transfer files by usb or wifi? Feb 12 16:11:24 s/wifi/sd/ Feb 12 16:11:24 qwerty12 meant: Can you transfer files by usb or sd? Feb 12 16:11:26 no wifi Feb 12 16:11:36 usb networking is waht I want to enable Feb 12 16:11:41 but I need to be root for that? Feb 12 16:11:45 I'm talking about file transfer Feb 12 16:11:56 what do i need for file transfer Feb 12 16:12:01 ? Feb 12 16:12:05 A usb cable and a sd card. Feb 12 16:12:10 flashing worked OK via USB Feb 12 16:12:17 no miniSD card here Feb 12 16:12:23 just normal SD :-( Feb 12 16:12:27 ah, an n810? Feb 12 16:12:29 then you're set :) Feb 12 16:12:29 Is this N810? Feb 12 16:12:33 n810 yes Feb 12 16:12:52 when I have usb networkign as on my H2210 ipaq Feb 12 16:12:55 I cna do ssh etc Feb 12 16:12:59 and work from there Feb 12 16:13:35 attach your n810 to your PC with the usb cable Feb 12 16:13:44 and drop this file onto it: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.1/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb Feb 12 16:13:47 Transfer http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.4_armel.deb to your N810 and install from the application manager Feb 12 16:13:56 :) Feb 12 16:14:31 ok... Feb 12 16:14:33 will try that Feb 12 16:14:34 thanks Feb 12 16:14:58 after that's installed just type 'root' or 'sudo gainroot' in a terminal for root access Feb 12 16:15:47 ok file transferred Feb 12 16:16:02 so use the application manager to install Feb 12 16:16:31 yes... Feb 12 16:16:39 hmm must point it to the file... Feb 12 16:17:33 if you can ssh in, just modify the gainroot script to not check for r&d mode Feb 12 16:17:40 then just use sudo gainroot Feb 12 16:17:59 That's basically what rootsh does... Feb 12 16:18:01 found the menu Feb 12 16:18:53 ah Feb 12 16:18:54 success! Feb 12 16:18:57 thanks! Feb 12 16:24:21 jeremiah: thanks for picking up that maemo-dev email, I'd hoped you would :) Feb 12 16:24:33 Sure thing Jaffa! Feb 12 16:25:01 Seems like a perfect opportunity to jump in. :) Feb 12 16:26:22 heh Feb 12 16:27:55 ok installed usb otg plugin Feb 12 16:28:00 set usb for ethernet Feb 12 16:28:03 (right?) Feb 12 16:28:22 * Stskeeps wonders why he didn't just take a half year of philosophy or something instead of this crap linear algebra.. Feb 12 16:29:16 * qwerty12 isn't planning on doing maths in college :) Feb 12 16:29:24 udovdh, sounds right to me Feb 12 16:29:29 but I don't use usb networking Feb 12 16:29:44 hmm Feb 12 16:29:50 johnx: you get a chance to verify ABL-SVN on Mer? Feb 12 16:30:00 the device becomes unresponsive when I do that Feb 12 16:30:07 rm_you, uhm...I totally forgot :) Feb 12 16:30:08 taps generate clicks but no action Feb 12 16:30:13 johnx: ^_^ Feb 12 16:30:20 I have g_etehr networkign working with my pda Feb 12 16:30:25 (h2210 ipaq) Feb 12 16:30:49 Use the other option, that's if you have a usb to ethernet adapter connected to the N8x0 Feb 12 16:31:00 qwerty12: if you want to do anything in CS you ought to .. Feb 12 16:31:03 none present here Feb 12 16:31:04 i hate it but sometimes it is useful Feb 12 16:31:44 johnx: any time :) Feb 12 16:31:53 Stskeeps, I know but after seeing that, I'm still not tempted. I'm just not a maths person, I find english & history more fun :) Feb 12 16:32:03 hey, do Mer downloads count towards download count? :P or do you use separate repos? Feb 12 16:32:10 seperate repo Feb 12 16:32:16 sadness Feb 12 16:32:20 there is a branch for a-b in launchpad i think Feb 12 16:32:36 ah, update it to SVN and it should work in Mer Feb 12 16:32:47 well it works already in mer, but had to patch some mini stuff.. Feb 12 16:32:48 se Feb 12 16:32:48 c Feb 12 16:32:51 it was your patches that fixed that anyway, i think Feb 12 16:33:04 they are in SVN now Feb 12 16:33:35 just had timeless filing a bug about it though, which makes me wonder if they didn't make it in there, or if he compiled his own wacky version Feb 12 16:33:56 back in 15 min Feb 12 16:33:56 https://code.launchpad.net/~carsten-munk/m-r/advanced-backlight Feb 12 16:34:06 has the patches the mer version has Feb 12 16:34:35 aaah...always possible he ended up with the diablo version Feb 12 16:34:41 that would make a lot of sense Feb 12 16:35:26 yeah well, should be pushed to extras soon anyway Feb 12 16:35:31 not that the fix matters for Maemo >_> Feb 12 16:35:41 but that should keep it in sync Feb 12 16:36:03 building... Feb 12 16:36:04 feel free to send patches upstream :P Feb 12 16:36:13 did you mer sdk install finish, rm_you? Feb 12 16:36:21 yeah, in like 5 minutes Feb 12 16:36:30 used it to build and upload the svn version Feb 12 16:36:54 gotta shower tho, back in 15 Feb 12 16:36:57 good deal :) Feb 12 16:36:58 'later Feb 12 16:42:33 with the usb-otg plugin Feb 12 16:42:41 do I still need to insert g_ether manually? Feb 12 16:42:48 or what is the requried procedure to make it work? Feb 12 16:43:42 I don't think you need to Feb 12 16:43:52 are you reading the article on the wiki to setup usb networking? Feb 12 16:43:59 yes Feb 12 16:44:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Feb 12 16:44:22 it says no otehr config Feb 12 16:44:33 and your connecting to a windows desktop or a linux desktop? Feb 12 16:44:36 but it makes the device go unresponsive except clicks when tapped Feb 12 16:44:37 linux Feb 12 16:44:43 and that works ok iwth my ipaq Feb 12 16:44:48 with... Feb 12 16:45:40 you click 'usb network device' right? Feb 12 16:45:49 no ethernet Feb 12 16:46:30 ah Feb 12 16:46:33 interesting Feb 12 16:46:48 clicking usb ethernet crashes hildon-desktop here Feb 12 16:46:53 neat Feb 12 16:47:03 then i connect usb Feb 12 16:47:11 and then ifup usb0 says no such device Feb 12 16:47:15 The ethernet option is for a usb to ethernet adapter Feb 12 16:47:16 if I were you I'd try it manually once Feb 12 16:47:42 qwerty12, thanks Feb 12 16:47:46 taht helps with the 'hangs' Feb 12 16:59:04 lo sjgadsby Feb 12 16:59:12 Hello! Feb 12 16:59:15 did you ever have any luck with parallels and mer? Feb 12 17:00:01 I haven't really kept at it. The conversion tool never gave me a raw file. Feb 12 17:00:18 alright, lemme see if i still have the raw file in store Feb 12 17:00:18 I haven't put much time in it though. Feb 12 17:01:30 what formats does parallels take? Feb 12 17:01:31 Oh, don't go to any trouble on my account, please. I just thought I'd take a look at how Mer is coming along. Feb 12 17:02:40 hehe, it is fine.. i need some mental distraction from this linear algebra excersise Feb 12 17:02:57 Hrm. I think it has its own format, but I found a web page with instructions on how to convert a VMware image to raw and get it working. I just thought I'd give it a try. Feb 12 17:04:09 Hrm. Have to run. I'll be back later. Feb 12 17:04:16 hf Feb 12 17:08:24 lo VDVsx Feb 12 17:08:54 Stskeeps, yo :) Feb 12 17:10:14 johnx: status? Feb 12 17:10:21 hmmmm Feb 12 17:10:29 rm_you, won't build wants omapfb.h Feb 12 17:10:33 what package is that in? Feb 12 17:10:35 I do select usb networking in the usb-otg plugin Feb 12 17:10:40 I then connect the n810 Feb 12 17:10:48 erm Feb 12 17:10:50 but it is seen as storage on the linux host Feb 12 17:11:06 udovdh, did g_ether load? Feb 12 17:11:13 dont think so Feb 12 17:11:17 moduels.dep is not ok Feb 12 17:11:21 libosso-dev (>= 1), hildon-desktop-dev, hildon-control-panel-dev, x11proto-randr-dev, libxrandr-dev Feb 12 17:11:21 modules.dep is not ok Feb 12 17:11:24 one of those? Feb 12 17:11:29 prolly? >_> Feb 12 17:11:31 only manual intervention helps there Feb 12 17:11:33 rm_you, nope :) Feb 12 17:11:37 <_< Feb 12 17:11:38 johnx, kernel-diablo-headers or linux-kernel-headers in diablo Feb 12 17:11:45 ah Feb 12 17:11:50 anyone have ideas for GSoC projects ??? :) Feb 12 17:12:00 installed kernel-diablo-headers but missed linux-kernel-headers Feb 12 17:12:39 cannot parse modules.dep it says Feb 12 17:12:41 well gotta run, need to get somewhere high up and take a few pictures Feb 12 17:12:42 when I try modprobe Feb 12 17:12:47 for my photography class <_< Feb 12 17:13:07 only problem is, there aren't any tall buildings in this freaking city Feb 12 17:13:27 udovdh, correct. use insmod Feb 12 17:13:32 * rm_you runs Feb 12 17:15:23 only now it sees the n810 Feb 12 17:15:26 thanks Feb 12 17:15:30 how to automate? Feb 12 17:15:34 there is no depmod Feb 12 17:15:48 http://sse2.net/depmod Feb 12 17:16:46 VDVsx: we can probably make up some for Mer but im not sure about Maemo :P Feb 12 17:16:53 (gsoc) Feb 12 17:17:23 qwerty12, thanks Feb 12 17:17:27 mer is a project inside maemo, I think Feb 12 17:17:28 first manual config Feb 12 17:17:35 because no ipv4 assigned Feb 12 17:17:37 no pign working yet Feb 12 17:17:38 etc Feb 12 17:18:35 ok Feb 12 17:18:37 we have ping Feb 12 17:18:40 but: Feb 12 17:18:42 Stskeeps, in 2007 one of the projects are related to the CMS (midgrade??) that maemo use for eg. Feb 12 17:18:46 need to do manual insmod Feb 12 17:18:51 VDVsx: midgard Feb 12 17:18:52 need to fix depmod Feb 12 17:18:55 or somethng Feb 12 17:18:59 no ifconfig automagic on n810 Feb 12 17:19:02 etc Feb 12 17:19:10 works better on the H2210 ipaq here... Feb 12 17:19:19 one modprobe is enough there Feb 12 17:19:26 but Ok, we can improve Feb 12 17:19:35 qwerty12, the depmod is ok for my os2008? Feb 12 17:19:38 ye Feb 12 17:19:40 s Feb 12 17:19:52 udovdh, if you find a way to improve things it would be nice if you edited the wiki Feb 12 17:20:01 looks like it's somewhat out-of-date... Feb 12 17:20:32 no standard ssh on the device? Feb 12 17:20:36 argh! Feb 12 17:20:42 ok I can manage from here Feb 12 17:20:54 Stskeeps: running another image... started about an hour ago... Feb 12 17:23:04 resolver is same as on my desktop? Feb 12 17:23:54 well do you want to use the same DNS server or a different one? Feb 12 17:23:57 or rather: where do i set my dns? Feb 12 17:24:05 probably resolv.conf Feb 12 17:24:06 my own dns please Feb 12 17:24:16 Stskeeps, not for maemo... Feb 12 17:24:24 mk Feb 12 17:24:38 sjgadsby: raw image generation works for me, sure you did it on the unpacked vmdk and not the zip? Feb 12 17:26:05 Stskeeps, resolv.conf found and changed... Feb 12 17:27:38 hmm Feb 12 17:27:40 resolver works Feb 12 17:27:45 but not in web browser Feb 12 17:27:47 any ideas? Feb 12 17:28:42 did you already make the DUMMY connection? Feb 12 17:31:52 ah... probably not... Feb 12 17:33:24 but still, that is strange Feb 12 17:33:29 kernel knows about g_ether Feb 12 17:33:36 kernel even works with g_ether Feb 12 17:33:41 shell has working ip available Feb 12 17:33:56 but the browser insists on popping up that list of wifi access points etc Feb 12 17:34:05 who designed that? Feb 12 17:34:06 yup Feb 12 17:34:10 Nokia Feb 12 17:34:22 they lack a certain perspective I guess Feb 12 17:34:36 but I will type that dummy thing again Feb 12 17:34:38 yeah, it's a very consumer oriented device Feb 12 17:34:39 grr Feb 12 17:34:46 basically the browser relies on information from the connection manager Feb 12 17:35:06 and the connection manager doesn't know about your other connection until you make it a "DUMMY" connection Feb 12 17:38:13 the gconf line doesn't give me a new dummy connection Feb 12 17:38:18 but runs silently (ok) Feb 12 17:39:21 apt-get install libicd-network-dummy Feb 12 17:39:21 did you read the note about the bug? Feb 12 17:40:11 me? no? Feb 12 17:40:18 I find the DEFAULT connection Feb 12 17:40:23 when I dig deeper in the menus Feb 12 17:40:34 but it dosn't appear in the list with the wifi points Feb 12 17:40:48 that is a bug? Feb 12 17:40:58 ok will try the apt-get Feb 12 17:41:03 any PyGTK geniuses in here Feb 12 17:42:12 E: couldn't find package libicd-network-dummy Feb 12 17:42:25 it is supposed to fetch that over the network, right? Feb 12 17:42:28 yes Feb 12 17:42:33 Is this diablo? Feb 12 17:42:40 lates os2008 Feb 12 17:43:01 diablo, yes Feb 12 17:43:13 did you enable the 'extras' repository? Feb 12 17:43:24 or hmm...is it even in extras Feb 12 17:43:25 udovdh, http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/libi/libicd-network-dummy/libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb Feb 12 17:43:26 one sec Feb 12 17:43:41 qwerty12, thanks Feb 12 17:43:42 ah, nevermind. just listen to qwerty12 :) Feb 12 17:44:05 but then I need to disconnect my network Feb 12 17:44:17 to make dragging it onto the n810 storage work again... Feb 12 17:44:21 grr... Feb 12 17:44:48 ls Feb 12 17:44:58 Ooops! What a n00b Feb 12 17:45:01 :) Feb 12 17:45:06 I am on n810 yes Feb 12 17:45:14 but not so on linux in general Feb 12 17:45:27 udovdh, I don't think he was talking about you :) Feb 12 17:45:28 udovdh: I was talking about myself, not you! Feb 12 17:45:29 :) Feb 12 17:45:36 lulz Feb 12 17:45:55 ^^ I did a `ls` in the chat window =) Feb 12 17:46:05 ok, no problem Feb 12 17:46:10 ergo /me is n00b Feb 12 17:46:19 it happens Feb 12 17:46:22 :-) Feb 12 17:46:23 /exec ls :P Feb 12 17:46:32 system ("ls"); Feb 12 17:46:43 ^^ perl! Feb 12 17:46:49 makes me happy Feb 12 17:46:57 It's C iirc Feb 12 17:47:05 or could be same in perl, dunno :) Feb 12 17:47:12 I think they both have the same semantics. Feb 12 17:47:19 could someone tell me where the "Public SSH keys" section of my garage account maintenance page is? Feb 12 17:47:22 os.system("ls") Feb 12 17:49:21 * please :| Feb 12 17:49:27 ANNOUNCE: For those of you who haven't seen http://maemo.org/news/ - jeremiah is our new debmaster Feb 12 17:50:21 Congrats jeremiah Feb 12 17:50:23 Hello! Feb 12 17:50:23 Haha, congrats jeremiah :) Feb 12 17:50:27 hi Feb 12 17:50:28 Thank you. :) Feb 12 17:50:34 * johnx claps Feb 12 17:50:59 I can see I made an impression with my newbie typing skills. :P Feb 12 17:51:09 Oh well, now everyone knows. :) Feb 12 17:51:11 jeremiah: though remember, no days off, we don't accept doctor's notes, and you can't go paternity breaks. In other words, welcome to eternity. Feb 12 17:51:31 crashanddie: Heh, I live in Sweden, we get all of that stuff by law! Feb 12 17:51:31 s/go/on/ Feb 12 17:51:31 crashanddie meant: jeremiah: though remember, no days off, we don't accept doctor's notes, and you can't on paternity breaks. In other words, welcome to eternity. Feb 12 17:51:42 jeremiah: not here you don't :P Feb 12 17:51:48 jeremiah, so, you're maemo's human equivalent of lintian? :) Feb 12 17:52:02 jeremiah: whereabout in Sweden? Feb 12 17:52:08 qwerty12: heh, nothing can replace lintian :) Feb 12 17:52:24 crashanddie: Gothenburg, (West coast) Feb 12 17:52:31 hehe, I've never used it, I'm sure I've put out dodgy packages :) Feb 12 17:52:45 qwerty12: But I know the maintainer, Russ Alberry. Feb 12 17:53:01 qwerty12: They need people on the policy mailing list if you want to help out . . . Feb 12 17:53:24 [lintian is a policy enforcement tool] Feb 12 17:53:28 I know where Goteburg is :) Feb 12 17:53:42 crashanddie: You're in .nl? Feb 12 17:53:52 I am not. Feb 12 17:54:00 ah. :) Feb 12 17:54:03 Where are you? Feb 12 17:54:11 London, ex-french, ex-belgian. Feb 12 17:54:29 Vive la Roast Beef! Feb 12 17:55:23 jeremiah: qwerty12's a brit, lcuk is a brit... well, scrap that, he's from the north, somewhere anyway Feb 12 17:55:54 crashanddie, I'm from the north too, just living in london :P Feb 12 17:56:10 I'll feel right at home then - I am American. Two countrys separated by a common language. :) Feb 12 17:56:23 jeremiah: the country is a bit messed up, especially in times of war. First we'll bomb you, then we'll send you food. That's because the UK is schyzophrenic. In other words, no jokes about roast beef. Don't mess with a nation that needs medication. Feb 12 17:56:23 jeremiad: first job from me to you... I've repacked some packages from ubuntu (x86) to maemo(armel).. It would be very kind from you to check whether the deb's are well for uploadin to extras... here is a archive with all packages... http://rapidshare.com/files/197282256/streamripper_armel_all.tar.gz Feb 12 17:56:24 s/countrys/countries/ Feb 12 17:56:24 jeremiah meant: I'll feel right at home then - I am American. Two countries separated by a common language. :) Feb 12 17:57:13 thopiekar: Okay, no point waiting around right? Feb 12 17:57:26 yes Feb 12 17:57:37 I don't really start until Monday, so I can't do any _real_ work. Feb 12 17:57:43 But I am happy to look at them. Feb 12 17:57:56 thopiekar: You pulled them from the Ubuntu repos and not the debian repos? Feb 12 17:58:50 yes from the ubuntu repos because it is for me the easiest way, while using ubuntu... :) (apt-get source xy ) Feb 12 17:59:07 thopiekar: Have you built on the packages on the armel platform? Feb 12 17:59:38 yes I have with scratchbox1 with maemo.4.1... Feb 12 17:59:45 I am an apt-get newbie, use rpm normally Feb 12 17:59:56 how do i make it install a local file? Feb 12 18:00:11 on the ipaq I can `ipkg install blabla` Feb 12 18:00:12 dpkg -i Feb 12 18:00:16 ah Feb 12 18:00:17 dpkg -i Feb 12 18:00:17 thanks Feb 12 18:00:20 :) Feb 12 18:00:20 udovdh: dpkg -i, but that will break your system in the long run Feb 12 18:01:00 Yes, apt-get is better than dpkg. Feb 12 18:01:24 And aptitude is better than apt-get, but I understand it is not on the maemo platform. Feb 12 18:01:36 jeremiah: congrats btw, guessed it a bit before the announcement :P Feb 12 18:01:45 Stskeeps: Thank you! Feb 12 18:02:21 My job is really to work for all of you, getting your software into Maemo. Feb 12 18:02:34 jeremiah: you would probably throw a raging fit over some of the not so kosher stuff in mer definately, if you ever looked :> Feb 12 18:02:41 I think it is an amazing platform and am thrilled it runs debian. Feb 12 18:02:47 jeremiah: apt-get is a frotend to dpkg, it uses dpkg Feb 12 18:02:57 jeremiah: oh, well in that case, I have a few programs that won't compile, what's your email address, you fix'em and upload them, cheers Feb 12 18:02:59 (As well aptitude) Feb 12 18:03:05 ana`: True, but it does some more sane things under the hood. :) Feb 12 18:03:23 ugh.. if i didn't need this damn windows install to use this esx infrastructure client i would put linux on my shuttle Feb 12 18:03:30 There are different tools, dpkg is sort of a layer between dselect and apt. Feb 12 18:03:32 jeremiah: so how much time does it take checking my packages.. I've made already a request on https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php.. Feb 12 18:03:43 ana`: true, but don't forget apt-get actually has files of its own. IIRC, it actually has a list of installed packages? So if you dpkg -i, it won't get upgraded or something. Feb 12 18:03:50 ana`: when you use apt-get upgrade Feb 12 18:03:52 i really want a linux box.. i think i am going to have to get one of these artigo boxes just for that purpose Feb 12 18:03:59 crashanddie, dpkg keeps the list Feb 12 18:04:08 (/var/lib/dpkg/info) Feb 12 18:04:17 thopiekar: Well, as I said, I am not currently under contract so I cannot perform any actual "work", but I am happy to look at your packages. Feb 12 18:04:20 crashanddie: no, that's aptitude :) Feb 12 18:04:22 I know there's something funky going on somewhere, can't remember at what bit Feb 12 18:04:54 jeremiah: ok thanks Feb 12 18:05:05 Actually, both aptitude and apt-get do different things than dpkg. Feb 12 18:05:28 I will dip into my book "The Debian System" by Martin Krafft . . . Feb 12 18:05:35 get some juicy quotes. :) Feb 12 18:05:58 can you explain why on earth Provides: doesn't have versions while you're looking? ;) Feb 12 18:06:05 I'm starting to be afraid... "dipping", "juices"... What kind of books does this Martin Krafft write? Feb 12 18:06:30 Stskeeps: Hmm, sounds interesting, will have to check that out. Feb 12 18:06:49 The sort of books, which you crashanddie, seem to enjoy reading :P Feb 12 18:06:49 crashanddie: He is part of the "German cabal" if that makes any difference. :) Feb 12 18:07:13 meaning you cannot do Provides: libgtk2.0-0 and then another package doing Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= somever) :P Feb 12 18:07:21 bloody irritating.. you have to resort to transitional packages Feb 12 18:07:40 qwerty12: if you don't enjoy reading those kind of books, I'm really starting to be worried here Feb 12 18:07:55 iirc the list of installed (and uninstalled) packages is at /var/lib/dpkg/status. .../info/ contains {pre,post}{inst,rm}-scripts and list of installed files for each package. Feb 12 18:07:55 crashanddie, haha Feb 12 18:08:07 anyway, time to refuel the cancer in my lungs, ttyiab Feb 12 18:09:22 apt is better because it does "automatice dependency resolution" Feb 12 18:09:28 which is quite handy. Feb 12 18:09:45 So if I am installing a python egg that uses gzip Feb 12 18:10:04 apt will install the dependencies too, like gzip, etc. Feb 12 18:10:27 This means you avoid "dependency hell" which was a lot of fun back in the day Feb 12 18:10:29 with linux. Feb 12 18:10:43 * qwerty12 usually cheats with dpkg -i ; apt-get -f install :) Feb 12 18:11:08 apt-get -f install will do it for you everytime! :) Feb 12 18:14:03 hmmm Feb 12 18:14:07 I have the libicd Feb 12 18:14:12 I did the gconf stuff from https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306#c31 Feb 12 18:14:15 wnd: Yes, the Packages file is what apt looks at, but it downloads it when you call apt-get update Feb 12 18:14:23 but the connections listing that pops up doesn't show the dummy network Feb 12 18:14:28 is deb better package than rpm? Feb 12 18:14:36 but the dummy network is visible deeper in the menus though Feb 12 18:14:48 hahlo: oh boy.. that could start a huge flamewar :> Feb 12 18:14:55 hahlo: Hard to say. But I am biased so I will say yes. :) Feb 12 18:15:07 :) Feb 12 18:15:11 hahlo: rpm (rpm package manager) did not have dependency checking. Feb 12 18:15:23 yum is your friend Feb 12 18:15:28 hahlo: Once apt-get started to do that, the rpm folks thought we need that too. Feb 12 18:15:30 but I am not here for that Feb 12 18:15:43 So they created yum (thanks udovdh) Feb 12 18:15:56 yum checks dependencies like apt-get and aptitude Feb 12 18:16:13 You can translate between the two formats with a tool called alien Feb 12 18:16:31 And there is work towards a "universal" package format Feb 12 18:16:44 But a universal format is a bit of a ways away. Feb 12 18:16:47 deb ftw, but I do hate CDBS with a vengeance :) Feb 12 18:17:01 I agree, CDBS is ugly. Feb 12 18:17:06 I never use it. Feb 12 18:17:06 qwerty: https://www.ohloh.net/p/mer Feb 12 18:17:52 * thopiekar is now needing some one, who is familar with gettext... he tried pygettext2.5 on ubuntu to make a pot file but it doesn't work... Feb 12 18:18:02 jeremiah, yep :). When grabbing debian packages from upstream, I've actually ran dh_make and remade the rules file in the "standard" format because I really couldn't get to grips with CDBS :) Feb 12 18:18:12 timeless, cool :) Feb 12 18:18:12 anybody knows why the connection manager still doesn't show my dummy connection? Feb 12 18:18:12 s/some one/someone Feb 12 18:18:18 I did install the libicd Feb 12 18:18:26 qwerty12: I think that is much better format frankly. :) Feb 12 18:18:26 and the gconftool lines from https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306#c31 Feb 12 18:18:44 timeless, 0 users, eh? :) Feb 12 18:18:54 be the first ;-) Feb 12 18:18:55 jeremiah, agreed :D Feb 12 18:21:05 qwerty12: Did you set up the repo's and do some debianizing? Feb 12 18:21:34 qwerty12: Someone named CIro is giving you some kudos on the community's news page. Feb 12 18:21:51 jeremiah, I've never set up a repo, but I do debianize stuff :) Feb 12 18:21:57 ah, yep, I packaged his clock :) Feb 12 18:22:00 qwerty12's the local wiz kid, he has ported a hell lot of stuff :P Feb 12 18:22:09 qwerty12: Awesome. Great to have you around! Feb 12 18:22:15 Thanks :) Feb 12 18:22:21 VDVsx: btw, it is definate now that it would be good to have some kind of general purpose event handler daemon.. for instance, on the n810, turning on keyboard backlight when keyboard slides out, etc Feb 12 18:22:24 Might have to pick your brain! :) Feb 12 18:23:26 Stskeeps, for mer ? Feb 12 18:23:33 VDVsx: yeah Feb 12 18:23:33 :) Feb 12 18:23:56 jeremiah: so what will your job description be, assisting the maemo.org community with repository-packaging-etc questions? Feb 12 18:24:15 VDVsx: i am just really wondering how it could be done sanely :P Feb 12 18:25:13 Stskeeps: Yes, I think that is pretty close to it. Feb 12 18:25:26 Stskeeps, the nokia stuff is all closed ? Feb 12 18:25:32 I would like to look at some automated package building and testing as well. Feb 12 18:25:38 We'll see how it goes. Feb 12 18:25:43 VDVsx: well ke-recv isn't but it is very tablet specific Feb 12 18:25:53 jeremiah, does a version of 1:1.34 take priority over 1.40-2maemo3-1.34dgfix2? :) Feb 12 18:26:05 But I am going to ty to make myself available to people who want to get their software on the the platform. Feb 12 18:26:12 VDVsx: but regarding language.. did you happen to ever see stuff like mIRCscript? Feb 12 18:26:22 qwerty12: Why don't you ask me the easy questions first? :P Feb 12 18:26:24 it has stuff like on EVENT:parameters etc Feb 12 18:26:33 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/02/n97_vid_outingfeb122009.jpg Feb 12 18:26:36 enjoy Feb 12 18:26:40 Stskeeps, nop Feb 12 18:27:23 RST38h, is that "in the wild" as they say? Feb 12 18:27:38 johnx: Nokia design labs Feb 12 18:27:38 jeremiah, hehe :D Feb 12 18:27:49 johnx: I guess they would have to say "in the lair" Feb 12 18:28:03 RST38h, ok, then what exactly am I looking at? :P Feb 12 18:28:30 johnx: two new handsets, apparently running s60e5 but you never know Feb 12 18:28:52 errr...that's just two shots of the n97, right? Feb 12 18:28:59 no Feb 12 18:29:07 it is not an n97 Feb 12 18:29:07 RST38h: the bottom of the handset reminds me a bit of 770.. Feb 12 18:29:12 both look different Feb 12 18:29:14 ah,...reading the article Feb 12 18:30:55 ouch. that interface isn't exactly looking too smooth... Feb 12 18:31:08 S60 seldom looks smooth Feb 12 18:31:45 I'll take solid and predictable over flashy and random-looking Feb 12 18:31:53 RST38h: Do you think it is running Maemo? Feb 12 18:32:15 is that a stylus on the side Feb 12 18:32:16 ? Feb 12 18:32:22 on the left pic Feb 12 18:32:31 jeremiah: I would say chances are low Feb 12 18:32:36 it is an n-series lab Feb 12 18:33:26 RST38h: well there has been a large amount of n-series alignment lately in the source trees Feb 12 18:33:30 they even talk to pc suite now Feb 12 18:34:52 johnx: you remember my weirdhildon screenshot? Feb 12 18:35:17 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/weirdhildon.png Feb 12 18:35:26 ah Feb 12 18:35:36 setting your panel to be on the top, right? Feb 12 18:35:42 yes, and one on bottom Feb 12 18:35:55 which was latent in h-d Feb 12 18:36:07 barely latent Feb 12 18:36:18 latent .. as in, just laying there Feb 12 18:36:27 there is (was?) a trick you could do if you enabled rotation support Feb 12 18:36:44 you could just drag the left panel to the ... bottom I think? Feb 12 18:36:45 what strikes me about the left pic is that the interface doesnt look like a n97 does, with the two menu buttons in the bottom Feb 12 18:36:55 this has a search bar instead Feb 12 18:37:53 aaaah :) I see what you mean Feb 12 18:37:58 Sts: What kind of alignment? Feb 12 18:38:01 it looks like its meant to be used as an tablet Feb 12 18:38:04 I'd have to watch that video of the n97 interface again though Feb 12 18:38:17 RST38h: as in, tethering through PC suite, synchronization, etc Feb 12 18:38:45 it would pass for a N-series device in my mind Feb 12 18:38:50 those widgets are definitely the 'n97' widgets though... Feb 12 18:39:00 johnx: they wanted to align the UI looks though Feb 12 18:39:05 which makes sense Feb 12 18:39:31 and if they made cross-platform html based widgets I wouldn't be too surprised Feb 12 18:40:02 another q: Feb 12 18:40:08 actually...a search bar that takes over the bottom statusbar sometimes reminds me of a wazd mockup Feb 12 18:40:15 is it normal for the module autoloading not to work on os2008? Feb 12 18:40:17 is that a RSS reader on the right? Feb 12 18:40:21 udovdh: yes Feb 12 18:40:24 Sts: Oh, the pc suite cra has been going for a while Feb 12 18:40:28 e.g. the different location under /mnt/initfs Feb 12 18:40:32 and not /lib/modules Feb 12 18:40:38 if so: what is the way to fix it Feb 12 18:40:45 besides generating a fresh modules.dep Feb 12 18:40:59 chroot /mnt/initfs /bin/sh Feb 12 18:41:04 Sts: but I think it is pc suite guys' initiative Feb 12 18:41:14 johnx, I wnat easy autloading of modules Feb 12 18:41:25 not an extra commandline I have to type Feb 12 18:41:27 then you can run modprove once you chroot Feb 12 18:41:36 thanks for the tip Feb 12 18:41:39 or you can generate a fresh modules.dep like you said Feb 12 18:41:41 but how do I make that permanent? Feb 12 18:41:52 I did that with depmod -b /mnt/initfs Feb 12 18:41:59 but modprobe looks in /lib/modules Feb 12 18:42:30 then I would say make a symlink Feb 12 18:42:43 i ln -s the initfs modules to my /lib/modules/`uname -r` Feb 12 18:43:01 ok was wondering about that Feb 12 18:43:05 but will do that now Feb 12 18:43:06 thanks Feb 12 18:43:47 Stskeeps, that clock at the top left looks a lot like an unmodified h-d desktop clock applet :) Feb 12 18:44:55 and I'm about 80% sure I can see the folding stand Feb 12 18:45:06 RST38h, very good catch :) Feb 12 18:46:22 johnx: its either a stylus or a folding stand, yes Feb 12 18:46:36 i think we might just be lookin at a tablet Feb 12 18:46:49 but uhm, where is the keyboard? :P Feb 12 18:47:10 I'm thinking the screen slides up...maybe? Feb 12 18:47:30 that would make it awfully thin though... Feb 12 18:47:41 yea Feb 12 18:47:52 the status screen at the screenshot is definitely S60 Feb 12 18:47:57 you can see it by the clock Feb 12 18:48:21 It's advertising asphalt 3 - a s60 game Feb 12 18:48:33 & java I guess Feb 12 18:48:44 ok, nodprobe works Feb 12 18:48:46 qwerty12_N800: damnit :P Feb 12 18:48:57 now that nice `connections manager` issue.. Feb 12 18:49:31 Citing privacy concerns, the Cambridge, Mass. City Council has voted 9-0 to remove security cameras scattered throughout the city. 'Because of the slow erosion of our civil liberties since 9/11, it is important to raise questions regarding these cameras,' said Marjorie Decker, a Cambridge city councilor. Feb 12 18:49:45 "WCBVTV is running the story under the headline 'City's Move To Nix Security Cams May Cost Thousands.'" Feb 12 18:50:03 in connectivity settings -> connections I DO see my dummy network Feb 12 18:50:06 Stskeeps: I do still get the diablo kernel modules installed Feb 12 18:50:13 * RST38h is kinda tired to do the "hehe" act at all these news Feb 12 18:50:17 but when I start the broswer the dummy network is not shown Feb 12 18:51:00 r2d2rogers: damnit, ok Feb 12 18:51:14 r2d2rogers: and kernel-diablo-modules is not in your foundations/mer Feb 12 18:51:41 actually I'd be pretty cranky if they gave us USB port on the bottom of the device...ick. and qwerty12_N800, I'm still really impressed you matched 30 pixels to a game advertisement... Feb 12 18:53:13 johnx: they did that with 770 though? Feb 12 18:53:18 johnx: I would prefer *all* ports opening up at one of the ends Feb 12 18:53:34 yeah, like n800 does it Feb 12 18:53:34 In a cluster, so that I can hang the device by its wires =) Feb 12 18:54:00 Stskeeps, they did and it looked like a huge PITA Feb 12 18:54:10 RST38h, not recommended with Nokia's wimpy charging port Feb 12 18:54:15 The problem is that these busybodies will get "creative" again and scatter ports all over the place Feb 12 18:54:21 now something beefy like the zaurus or psp charging port... Feb 12 18:54:25 johnx: Nokia fixed the wimpiness starting with 5800 Feb 12 18:54:38 johnx: then again, docking station.. Feb 12 18:54:42 johnx: I first thought I have got a wrong power adapter but no, it was the fix Feb 12 18:54:44 RST38h, mini-usb? micro-usb? Feb 12 18:55:03 johnx: Same thin jack but with a thick plastic collar at the base Feb 12 18:55:18 Stskeeps, i dunno...that kind ruins the tablet 'stand-alone' nature Feb 12 18:55:26 johnx: true Feb 12 18:55:30 being able to set it on a table and play music is nice Feb 12 18:55:30 johnx: the collar plugs into the device with some tension and holds the jack there Feb 12 18:55:43 johnx: I played that game a *lot* :) Feb 12 18:55:50 Stskeeps: correct, no diablo in foundations/mer Feb 12 18:55:54 johnx: someone should really design a docking station.. i mean, with kickstand out and sliding it in from the side.. Feb 12 18:56:10 given a bit of plastic and a cable.. Feb 12 18:56:16 Stskeeps, what would you use it for? Feb 12 18:56:38 ~lart latest sb2 for inserting user-input scripts into Ubuntu startup Feb 12 18:56:38 * infobot takes a big bite out of latest sb2's jugular vein for inserting user-input scripts into Ubuntu startup Feb 12 18:56:40 johnx: plug in to touchscreen at home? dunno :P Feb 12 18:56:47 RST38h: sb2 went insane? Feb 12 18:56:51 ok Feb 12 18:57:09 RST38h: i thought sb2 was supposed -not- to fuck around with the sys Feb 12 18:57:14 RST38h, I have to admit I think the apple magnetic macbook charger is nicest of all (when it's not catching on fire) Feb 12 18:57:14 Sts: A little bit - now every time I boot Linux, it asks whether I want to modify mmap settings Feb 12 18:57:23 RST38h: .. Feb 12 18:57:31 RST38h: remind me not to install sb2 Feb 12 18:57:34 Sts: the script is in /etc/rc* Feb 12 18:57:49 Sts: it is easily fixable but reminds me of Intel Feb 12 18:57:55 gah...really wish Nokia would stop putting things into init scripts that don't belong... Feb 12 18:58:15 johnx: at least it seems like fremantle is saning up a bit Feb 12 18:58:28 hildon theme stuff in hildon-theme-config, and /etc/hildon stuff Feb 12 18:58:30 :P Feb 12 18:59:28 on the one hand it would have been neat to see something like mer a long time ago...on the other hand maybe someone tried it and already went quietly insane Feb 12 18:59:50 you're right that this stuff *has* become much more linux-like Feb 12 18:59:50 Sts: Also, it now requires qemu to compile stuff Feb 12 18:59:59 RST38h: huh, no cross compiler? Feb 12 19:00:08 Sts: I *think* I have told it to use host tools but it does not like that Feb 12 19:00:19 Sts: Now, mostly dpkg and other assorted crap Feb 12 19:01:07 i have a small blog post in waiting which has topics on why some things in mer are as they are.. along with the argument for 'Scratchbox is an accelerator, not what determines the target platform' Feb 12 19:01:16 On the bright side, TI83 is now operational Feb 12 19:02:03 woo! Feb 12 19:02:08 includes 83+ right? Feb 12 19:02:43 RST38h: couldnt you have done this a year ago when i could have spared 900 bloody danish kronor.. Feb 12 19:02:43 I can finally finish my abandoned 'the matrix' screensaver written in tibasic! woo! Feb 12 19:03:16 Stskeeps, heh...and it would have been nice if you got the itch to work on debuntu-for-tablets *last* january :P Feb 12 19:03:18 even though i would have a hard time convincing exam people my tablet is not 1) a phone 2) a communicating device Feb 12 19:03:54 johnx: hehe.. i had L4 microkernel itch before that Feb 12 19:04:17 johnx: Still no 83+ Feb 12 19:04:23 Stskeeps, I would have helped if you'd convinced me :) Feb 12 19:04:33 Sts: You would rob TI of $50? Feb 12 19:04:46 Sts: This is cruel. Feb 12 19:04:57 RST38h: i actually do have a ti83 already but the screen is dead Feb 12 19:05:12 so now i have a ti83 and a ti84 plus. Feb 12 19:05:14 RST38h, nope. his extremely advanced omap2 calculator is just missing some firmware :> Feb 12 19:05:17 johnx: Or, rather, TI83+ code is in but it hangs Feb 12 19:05:41 so i can use your emulators with good conscience :P Feb 12 19:05:48 TI84+ should be a no brainer as soon as TI83+ works Feb 12 19:06:05 is there a way to have vncviewer use socks proxy Feb 12 19:06:16 RST38h, so I assume they run at 100% native speed no problem? Feb 12 19:07:09 johnx: they can run faster Feb 12 19:07:29 johnx: these calcs are all based on 6MHz Z80 with a really simple display Feb 12 19:07:57 yeah, but I tend to assume that emulating something has to be more complicated than I think it is :) Feb 12 19:07:59 later models overclocked it to 15Mhz but I have not got to these yet Feb 12 19:08:15 these are really simple machines Feb 12 19:10:01 euhmm Feb 12 19:10:09 is it normal to set a unix password for the user? Feb 12 19:10:14 on the n810? Feb 12 19:10:36 or will that break something? Feb 12 19:11:12 i have one set. nothing b0rken here :) Feb 12 19:11:47 johnx, do you know how to make vnc viewer to use a proxy Feb 12 19:12:04 johnx, thanks Feb 12 19:12:17 Shadow_M, I have not used vnc viewer or a proxy server on any device in the last year or so :) Feb 12 19:12:29 lol ah well then Feb 12 19:13:08 and by device I mean any general purpose computer I use :) Feb 12 19:13:13 what's the depmods comment? (confident I'm messing something up there) Feb 12 19:13:24 r2d2rogers: hmm? Feb 12 19:13:27 I just linked in some kernel modules to test Feb 12 19:13:38 depmod -a kernelversion Feb 12 19:13:46 how do I make it aware they... thanks Feb 12 19:18:42 Stskeeps: I was going to try the last module you sent me for 770, have you had a chance to try anything new there? Feb 12 19:19:13 no sorry, my week has been hindered heavily by my laptop having to get sent in for repairs Feb 12 19:19:38 i am currently chatting to you live from my craptacular mertop. (http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mertop.jpg), so :P Feb 12 19:19:40 anyone vncviewer with proxy Feb 12 19:20:32 gun Feb 12 19:20:38 err fun... Feb 12 19:20:51 the last time I tried to look at the pic I got a 404, worked this time Feb 12 19:20:57 one thing you can say.. hildon interface is gentle on the eyes Feb 12 19:21:12 hmm, some fun new spam Feb 12 19:21:23 "NOKIA ALERT" :P Feb 12 19:23:36 TI83+ said "Defragmenting..." Feb 12 19:23:46 dear god Feb 12 19:23:50 is it bad? Feb 12 19:24:03 heh Feb 12 19:24:09 you never want to show that Feb 12 19:26:05 Stskeeps, soooo...why don't you just install ubuntu on that laptop? Feb 12 19:26:46 johnx: mostly one, eating my own dogfood and two, the cds do not boot on the processors cos of missing CMOV.. i think Feb 12 19:27:04 huh Feb 12 19:27:08 via c3 Feb 12 19:27:16 it misses superpages and cmov instruction Feb 12 19:27:21 so you need linux-386 Feb 12 19:27:22 (that's 'huh' to the latter, not the former of course) Feb 12 19:27:35 there is an ubuntu bug for it Feb 12 19:27:40 aaah...well, that sounds like a very special device Feb 12 19:27:50 i got mer on it through a debian 4.0 install cd and rescue mode.. Feb 12 19:28:43 and voodoo, obviously Feb 12 19:29:08 but yes, the thought of installing lxde has come up once or twice Feb 12 19:29:12 haha Feb 12 19:29:17 nice device Feb 12 19:29:23 I like it already Feb 12 19:29:48 obsolete technology all the waya Feb 12 19:29:53 *way Feb 12 19:29:58 Stskeeps: has the method for getting the rescue menu changed? Feb 12 19:30:06 r2d2rogers: no, should be the same Feb 12 19:30:18 I seem to have lost it then Feb 12 19:30:18 when doing ssh -X i am getting errors such as Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. Feb 12 19:30:24 r2d2rogers: verify you have a evkey package Feb 12 19:30:24 will check again next boot Feb 12 19:30:31 k Feb 12 19:30:40 if not, prod me, cos that means i forgot to add it Feb 12 19:30:50 will do Feb 12 19:31:26 and X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 Feb 12 19:31:32 anyone have an idea Feb 12 19:31:40 did you use su? Feb 12 19:31:53 or was that an ssh -x Feb 12 19:32:02 wait, 'No xauth data'? Feb 12 19:32:12 where did you start from? Feb 12 19:32:27 typically i start by ssh'ing to my tablet Feb 12 19:32:31 exporting DISPLAY=:0 Feb 12 19:32:38 then ssh -X'ing from the tablet somewhere else Feb 12 19:32:53 Diablo doesn't have xauth installled by default Feb 12 19:33:15 oh, heh Feb 12 19:33:50 yeah, i guess you'd have to install it Feb 12 19:34:01 I don't need xauth usually Feb 12 19:34:11 fake works for me from other linux machines Feb 12 19:34:33 it's not worth installing anyway, sapwood balls it up : http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/screenies/N800XForwarding-test.png Feb 12 19:34:40 heh Feb 12 19:35:53 shadow: can you ssh into the tablet? Feb 12 19:36:06 hmm, what are stable mer packages btw, if we were to include more into the std image? Feb 12 19:36:45 or should the mer packages just be the base system and what is needed to get it off the grond Feb 12 19:37:37 for now I'd say minimizing the download size would be best, as long as there were good instructions for where people should start looking for apps Feb 12 19:37:42 k Feb 12 19:38:15 I think the latest midori is hildonized Feb 12 19:38:24 that would be real nice :) Feb 12 19:40:03 installing Vista SP1 in a VM is a pain :( Feb 12 19:41:06 btw Feb 12 19:41:12 i've now hit 504 twice in one day Feb 12 19:41:14 https://www.ohloh.net/ Feb 12 19:41:16 504 Gateway Time-out Feb 12 19:41:16 nginx/0.6.31 Feb 12 19:41:38 oops, wrong window Feb 12 19:41:46 :) Feb 12 19:44:36 Stskeeps: I do have evkey Feb 12 19:44:40 hm Feb 12 19:44:45 where is it residing? Feb 12 19:45:52 /usr/bin, I asked where you wanted it installed when i debianized :) Feb 12 19:46:06 ::nods:: Feb 12 19:46:18 r2d2rogers: where does /etc/init.d/zrescue-menu point to evkey in? Feb 12 19:47:05 usr /bin/evkey Feb 12 19:47:08 err Feb 12 19:47:20 /usr/bin/evkey looks right... Feb 12 19:47:56 think the case isn't catching the 770? SU-18 ? Feb 12 19:48:30 /usr/bin/evkey looks right... Feb 12 19:48:45 leading / wasn't sure it posted... Feb 12 19:49:53 looks like the home button isn't working at all Feb 12 19:50:25 all the other hardware buttons seem right Feb 12 19:52:16 good morning Feb 12 19:52:23 I think I have useful dmesg log now though... for the wireless Feb 12 19:52:33 * r2d2rogers tries to figure out how to get it off the device Feb 12 19:55:06 r2d2rogers: ls -l /dev/input Feb 12 19:55:16 actually Feb 12 19:55:26 check /etc/rcS.d and see if zrescue-menu is run before or after udev Feb 12 19:57:01 zrescue-menu is S03 and udev is S10 Feb 12 19:57:40 ah fsck Feb 12 19:58:37 .. why can't linux systems just be sane once in a while.. Feb 12 19:58:55 can you tell me the major/minors of your /dev/input/ event devices? Feb 12 19:58:56 ls -l it Feb 12 19:59:57 anyone interested in screenshots of the latest svn version of midori all nice and hildonized running in mer? Feb 12 20:00:00 event0-2 Feb 12 20:00:05 mice and mouse0 Feb 12 20:00:10 johnx: yes, gladly Feb 12 20:00:17 johnx: me, me, me! :) Feb 12 20:00:21 mouses! Feb 12 20:00:21 r2d2rogers: yeah, thats the names, what about the major, minor numbers? Feb 12 20:00:42 after the group in the ls -l ? Feb 12 20:00:45 yeah Feb 12 20:01:15 all are 13 then event is 64 65 66, mice is 63 and mouse0 is 32 Feb 12 20:01:22 k Feb 12 20:01:25 ta Feb 12 20:01:28 no Feb 12 20:01:30 np Feb 12 20:03:19 hey, i am trying to compile something in sctachbox, but it wants the package libeventdb-dev . apt-get does not find it.. where can i get it? Feb 12 20:05:25 guysoft42: it's in diablo extras-devel (dunno about extras) Feb 12 20:06:17 qwerty12_N800, what line needs to go in the sources.list? Feb 12 20:06:31 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/sdk free extras-devel ? Feb 12 20:07:01 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ diablo free non-free Feb 12 20:07:27 hot midori on mer lovin: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/Screenshot-1.png Feb 12 20:07:39 ah wait, think i found it Feb 12 20:07:47 thanks qwerty12_N800 :) Feb 12 20:07:53 np :) Feb 12 20:08:02 johnx: wicked! :) Feb 12 20:08:26 my usual google maps seat-o-the pants benchmark says marginally faster than webkit-eal Feb 12 20:08:27 johnx: so gotta package.. Feb 12 20:08:32 packaged Feb 12 20:08:35 :) Feb 12 20:08:38 so gotta upload and build :P Feb 12 20:08:40 johnx, your getting midori to work?! yay! Feb 12 20:08:42 (merbuilder is up again) Feb 12 20:08:47 guysoft42: thats on Mer :> Feb 12 20:08:54 guysoft42, it's all from upstream :) Feb 12 20:09:43 Stskeeps, how is mer? i was interested... i am not really keeping track of the open source builds Feb 12 20:10:16 guysoft42: it is insane but scaringily able Feb 12 20:10:27 and the SDK *works* Feb 12 20:10:46 midori built from only SDK-included dependencies Feb 12 20:11:00 in what way insane? unstable? or metamorphic the idea is insane.. Feb 12 20:11:07 latter Feb 12 20:11:07 err...SDK-accessed dependencies I should say Feb 12 20:11:15 johnx: yeah, except for C++ and python :P Feb 12 20:11:26 (extensions) Feb 12 20:11:29 shh... :P Feb 12 20:11:49 I'm trying to sell product here. get back to developing :D Feb 12 20:12:01 johnx, Mer Marketing Manager Feb 12 20:12:07 * guysoft42 is trying to fix the lines in gpe-summery Feb 12 20:12:09 or short, 3M. Feb 12 20:12:10 M^3 Feb 12 20:12:11 :P Feb 12 20:12:11 what do you mean we're not charging money?! O_o; Feb 12 20:13:01 one more screenie: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/midori.png Feb 12 20:13:37 is that mer? Feb 12 20:13:45 johnx: you should post it as hype for 0.8 :P Feb 12 20:13:54 as 0.8 is dullingly boring else :> Feb 12 20:14:34 let me upload a package and I'll let someone like Meiz do the hyping...if I put it in section user/internet will it show up in our h-a-m all nice and pretty? Feb 12 20:14:51 johnx: yes Feb 12 20:14:55 i think Feb 12 20:14:58 look after the new categories :P Feb 12 20:15:42 johnx: i suspect this hildonizing might actually have been built using mer.. but i am not sure Feb 12 20:16:04 since the guy was in #mer the other week Feb 12 20:16:07 if johnx's the marketing manager Feb 12 20:16:16 who's the product manager? Feb 12 20:16:45 yeah. I talked to him while he was finishing this up. just got around to trying it today. :) I should send him some screenshots Feb 12 20:17:17 crashanddie: at least qwerty12_N800 is the CTO.. :P Feb 12 20:17:26 oh shit Feb 12 20:17:45 from Johnx's question though, I'm happy he's not the CFO :D Feb 12 20:18:04 cf (johnx) what do you mean we're not charging money?! Feb 12 20:18:35 we'll have to fall back on plan b: get MS to buy us out Feb 12 20:19:13 johnx: use user/network section, then h-a-m will localise it as internet & networking Feb 12 20:19:37 got it :) thanks qwerty12_N800 Feb 12 20:21:57 hi Feb 12 20:22:03 ...this is not a sane reasonable package, BTW. it's a *demo* just so we're clear... Feb 12 20:22:15 love wifi tethering to my g1 Feb 12 20:22:24 xchat is pretty good too Feb 12 20:23:35 hm... think i am going to buy this artigo boc now Feb 12 20:24:09 hey, to what do i need to change: hildon-home-plugin/hildon-home-plugin-interface.h includes to so it will work? Feb 12 20:27:55 if someone does a real package for midori for mer I suggest basing off of the debian or ubuntu package... Feb 12 20:28:53 I don't think people will care just as long as it installs :D Feb 12 20:29:12 heh Feb 12 20:29:31 (which, it evidently does :)) Feb 12 20:29:40 it appears to at any rate Feb 12 20:30:08 oy johnx, the screenshot you posted earlier, is that mer? Which browser is that? Feb 12 20:30:22 that's midori in mer :) Feb 12 20:30:32 and I can tell you it is lightning-goddamn-fast :) Feb 12 20:30:35 may I make a suggestion? Feb 12 20:30:47 sure, go for it, but keep in mind I'm just the packager Feb 12 20:30:58 yeah, but you'll bounce it to those who need it Feb 12 20:31:03 nope Feb 12 20:31:04 :) Feb 12 20:31:31 put the fucking menu on top, and when the user starts scrolling down the page, the menu stays on top of the page, scrolls off the screen, in essence Feb 12 20:31:39 Stskeeps: I'm gonna go with the ps method of not running osso-pick-theme twice, using dbus via osso_rpc_async_run to run it with a string of 'run_bitch' doesn't work so well :/ Feb 12 20:32:03 crashanddie, (I assume you mean toolbar)..like fennec? Feb 12 20:32:14 dunno how fennec works, never seen it in action Feb 12 20:32:29 qwerty12_N800: i would just use a lock file really Feb 12 20:32:46 i'm just starting to get frustrated at all those browsers that use up so much screen real estate... There's not much on a tablet, so please use it sparingly Feb 12 20:33:57 Stskeeps: I'm not really a fan of lock files, too much hassle if, for example, watchdog strikes while the theme window is open Feb 12 20:33:57 how about 'hide with keypress'? Feb 12 20:34:04 escape seems like a good candidate for that Feb 12 20:34:12 johnx: I should have to press a button Feb 12 20:34:27 yes. I agree. you should have to press buttons Feb 12 20:34:33 ok, now ti83 really works but I need wazd to fix the faceplate Feb 12 20:34:35 lol Feb 12 20:34:43 I shouldn't have to Feb 12 20:35:10 I use the toolbar what, rougly 8.34% of the time I use the browser? Feb 12 20:35:10 you would rather have to scroll all the way to the top of the page everytime? Feb 12 20:35:21 then you will love fennec Feb 12 20:35:52 johnx: I could just press a button to call it... Makes a lot more sense to have something I barely use popup when I ask it, instead of having to hide it constantly Feb 12 20:36:02 give it a shot and see how it works for you, since it has exactly the kind of interface you're talking about. I tried it and found I prefered to just waste the space Feb 12 20:36:19 god you're stubborn Feb 12 20:36:20 :D Feb 12 20:36:33 lol...I'm not the dev anyways Feb 12 20:36:37 but you just said you shouldn't have to press a button Feb 12 20:36:45 now you want to press buttons? Feb 12 20:37:06 johnx: you press a button when you take an elevator right? Feb 12 20:37:17 what are we even talking about? Feb 12 20:37:29 and you don't press a button everytime you don't want to use an elevator, right? Feb 12 20:37:46 uhhh...so press button it goes away. press again it disappears Feb 12 20:37:51 with the wireless module in place, what would keep the wifi from being recognized on boot? Feb 12 20:38:01 and usually when I use an elevator I'm standing in line anyways and someone else presses the button Feb 12 20:38:16 r2d2rogers: ifconfig wlan0 up? Feb 12 20:38:38 errr...s/disappears/re-appears/ :) Feb 12 20:38:45 waiting for boot to finish and will try just that and restart NetworkManager Feb 12 20:40:19 Stskeeps: looks like I have to modprobe after boot, should there be somethiing else added to get that to work? Feb 12 20:40:41 * johnx actually has a nice extended metaphor involving toolbars, buttons and elevators :) Feb 12 20:40:46 r2d2rogers: tablet-wireless package is nice Feb 12 20:41:17 gotta get rescue menu working for more packages Feb 12 20:41:35 yeah.. lemme just finish up this math Feb 12 20:41:41 if I rename the rescue menu to be after the dbus wil that get me there? Feb 12 20:41:44 k Feb 12 20:41:57 does this come from some packate? Feb 12 20:44:15 r2d2rogers: udev you mean Feb 12 20:45:08 Stskeeps: right Feb 12 20:45:10 pushed changes to imager Feb 12 20:45:12 where can i get the maemo-af-desktop package? Feb 12 20:45:28 Stskeeps: best to re-image then? Feb 12 20:45:40 r2d2rogers: yeah.. will save me some time in the weekend if its ok Feb 12 20:45:44 as i cannot test the 770 images Feb 12 20:46:46 guysoft42: it's been replaced in chinook by hildon-something. remember, gpesummary has already been ported to os2008, use that source package to recompile from - not the bora one Feb 12 20:46:52 anyway Feb 12 20:46:54 going home, ttyl Feb 12 20:47:06 Stskeeps: will do Feb 12 20:47:12 qwerty12_N800: gimme a shout if you're around waterloo one of these days Feb 12 20:47:15 qwerty12_N800, has it.. er strange let me see if i have the updated code Feb 12 20:47:31 crashanddie: sure :), see ya Feb 12 20:48:07 I have a bit of an issue... UPS wanted to charge me $64 Brokerage fees, because Nokia hadn't marked my warranty shipment as an RMA.. Feb 12 20:48:22 qwerty12_N800, it seems to be the updated version on https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gpesummary/ Feb 12 20:48:36 jaem: could be worse Feb 12 20:48:38 so UPS said that Nokia could just fax in updated forms, but the tech support line is saying that they can't sdo that Feb 12 20:48:57 Sts: that's twice what I payed to ship it there, and I don't really have the money to spare Feb 12 20:49:02 true Feb 12 20:49:18 I'm confused as to why they couldn't do that, though Feb 12 20:49:42 try a new tech support turn? but yeah, they should have marked it as RMA i guess Feb 12 20:49:56 you're right, though - it could be worse Feb 12 20:50:13 a friend of mine's dad once got charged $95 by UPS... for two $3 bolts Feb 12 20:50:26 people in .dk have been slapped with toll for RMA replacements.. like, outside EU toll Feb 12 20:50:30 which is nasty Feb 12 20:50:43 guysoft42: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/g/gpesummary/gpesummary_2.8+maemo+svn20081212-3.tar.gz - updated in 2008, beats 2007 on that garage page :) Feb 12 20:51:55 "Press (1) to hear a two minute speech about why you should visit our website instead of bugging us" Feb 12 20:52:08 qwerty12_N800, thanks :) Feb 12 20:52:23 * johnx presses 1 Feb 12 20:52:49 phone systems are definately a design by the devil Feb 12 20:53:11 * qwerty12_N800 dials 666 Feb 12 20:53:17 what I hate more is when you spend 5 minutes getting to a menu, press the wrong button, and it says "sorry, we can't help at all - talk to someone else" Feb 12 20:53:27 * johnx used to maintain phone systems until he developed the quite explicable urge to flee the country Feb 12 20:53:44 or Broadcom... Website: "call 1800-123-4567" / Phone line: "check out website" Feb 12 20:53:45 johnx: pitchforks outside your apartment? Feb 12 20:54:25 Stskeeps, more like wanting to organize a cage match between our PBX vendor and the people providing our lines Feb 12 20:54:35 haha Feb 12 20:54:42 "two men enter, one man leaves!" Feb 12 20:55:24 I would bet that the people who design a lot of these systems has never actually used them Feb 12 20:55:36 heh Feb 12 20:55:51 it's a case of new bits being grafted onto essentially a 100 year old system Feb 12 20:56:58 someone needs to make a horror film about a 1-800 number that sucks you in, and dooms you to a life of sitting on hold, listening to short loops of inspiration music Feb 12 20:57:25 s/inspiration/inspirational/ Feb 12 20:57:25 jaem meant: someone needs to make a horror film about a 1-800 number that sucks you in, and dooms you to a life of sitting on hold, listening to short loops of inspirational music Feb 12 20:57:49 jaem: american TV, you mean Feb 12 20:57:55 Maybe the guys who made 419 will be interested :P Feb 12 20:58:01 i watch the horror your commercials are, compared to the danish ones Feb 12 20:58:13 heh :) Feb 12 20:58:33 mmm... danishes.... I wouldn't mind commericials for pastries Feb 12 20:59:13 and I've seen plenty of current Japanese commercials inspired by US commercials ... from the 80's Feb 12 21:01:30 Stskeeps: just started imager Feb 12 21:02:04 k Feb 12 21:07:32 jaem: that wouldn't be a film, at most a video art installation Feb 12 21:08:02 I'd feel sorry for the artists' victims Feb 12 21:08:06 nah...it should be an 'experience' Feb 12 21:08:21 like they have the indiana jones ride at disneyland Feb 12 21:08:22 if MS ran it, they'd put the word "Experience" in there somewheree Feb 12 21:08:26 where they lock you into a chair Feb 12 21:09:50 someone once made a film where a guy taped his mouth/nose over, then handcuffed himself to a chair Feb 12 21:11:07 wow... Plan 9 boots slowly Feb 12 21:12:33 johnx: You will love this one: http://rutube.ru/tracks/401242.html?v=18b9f079bf5ce9b5499a1dd497974674 Feb 12 21:14:08 heh. saw it before actually, but yeah, kinda fun Feb 12 21:20:08 w00! midori just finished on x86 Feb 12 21:20:10 * johnx sleeps Feb 12 21:20:43 hey timeless what do you do to fix the display issue using ssh -x on the it Feb 12 21:21:39 yay, got the line for the events :) .. i can write a patch Feb 12 21:22:17 or just write a package that writes "yay" on every appointment you have.. thats what the code just did in my maemo Feb 12 21:22:26 hehe Feb 12 21:22:56 um, is there a way to run the hildon desktop in scrachbox so i dont need to recompile, package and send over bluetooth my package? Feb 12 21:24:27 Stskeeps, do you know hwo to fix the the fact then when i ssh into a machine and try to ford x i get X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 Feb 12 21:24:45 Shadow_M: other than using mer or doing some xauthinstallation, no Feb 12 21:25:12 well i installed xauth here but thats it Feb 12 21:25:33 you use openssh-client? Feb 12 21:25:41 and use -X ? Feb 12 21:25:47 yeah Feb 12 21:26:26 and when it goes into the system i get the localhost 10 issue where i did this a day or 2 ago and it worked Feb 12 21:30:06 um, does anyone know how i can get the width of the applet window i am in? Feb 12 21:40:58 anyone X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 Feb 12 21:57:54 ssd drives are still pretty expensive Feb 12 22:01:52 ahrg, dput upload is broken. Feb 12 22:02:34 GeneralAntilles: you there? Feb 12 22:02:42 Stskeeps: the image seems to created the ssh keys before the reboot, was that changed from during the first boot menu? Feb 12 22:03:23 r2d2rogers: it still generates them when the image is generated, and then the wizard will regenerate them to make it secure Feb 12 22:04:22 qwerty12_N800: what was the fix for broken applications menu btw? Feb 12 22:05:37 Stskeeps: Thanks, that makes sense Feb 12 22:08:05 r2d2rogers: when you get a chance.. definately get the new midori from repository Feb 12 22:09:50 Stskeeps: cp /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu /home/user/.osso/menus/ ; update-desktop-database Feb 12 22:10:06 Stskeeps: imager just completed Feb 12 22:11:18 looks like about an hour and 10 minutes Feb 12 22:11:30 k Feb 12 22:11:43 whole imaging process takes about 4h30m so Feb 12 22:12:20 good night and cu l8er :) Feb 12 22:13:31 hey um ,does this code look ok to you? it seems to go in to an error and not work Feb 12 22:13:45 (worked with ": eturn "yay" Feb 12 22:13:50 return "yay * Feb 12 22:14:55 http://pastebin.com/m72e6ef9c Feb 12 22:15:22 Stskeeps: something not happy, I get a stopped progress bar after 6 or 7 segments Feb 12 22:15:33 it should break in to a newline after 20 chars so the gpe-summery wont have scrollbars Feb 12 22:15:53 r2d2rogers: hmm. Feb 12 22:16:01 r2d2rogers: of a new imaging? Feb 12 22:16:05 yup Feb 12 22:16:10 and no rescue menu Feb 12 22:16:16 and you mkfs.ext3ed before that? Feb 12 22:16:37 qwerty12_N800, sorry to nag, but could you just have a look at those 20 lines? i am just not really sure how to write this kind of code Feb 12 22:16:47 no, I just deleted all the files off the filesystem I had already made Feb 12 22:16:59 time to try to image again after doing that? Feb 12 22:17:07 guysoft42: sorry, i'm not a coder :) Feb 12 22:17:38 ah.. um, any coder with a spare second? its reall a short line.. i think i did the string decelerations worng Feb 12 22:17:39 r2d2rogers: mm. yeah, lets get that out of the way for good measure :/ Feb 12 22:17:48 k Feb 12 22:18:12 I'll probably have to report in on that tomorrow, I'm within an hour of leave work time.. Feb 12 22:18:39 yeah, its fine Feb 12 22:19:05 its the second year day of my moms passing so i won't be that active, except from tablet, going to my hometown Feb 12 22:19:10 (tomorrow) Feb 12 22:19:29 Stskeeps: Sorry to hear (even a couple of years later).. Feb 12 22:19:40 my mom is in hospice now.... Feb 12 22:20:29 mm.. life is crap sometimes Feb 12 22:20:44 :looks at what else he can do tonight before collapsing in bed: Feb 12 22:20:46 can be ::nods:: Feb 12 22:22:17 have i been too severely damaged by this channel, since i write 'hello kitty' instead of 'hello world' when testing if text entry works in a program? Feb 12 22:22:27 yes Feb 12 22:22:31 yes you have Feb 12 22:23:01 No, when you start writing OHAI!, then you know you are damaged. Feb 12 22:23:03 Stskeeps: I think it's your inner self coming out ;P Feb 12 22:23:15 question for you folks... Feb 12 22:23:26 I'm picking up one of these: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19489 Feb 12 22:23:47 which uses the hands-free BT protocol to display callerID, and vibration alert on a wristband Feb 12 22:24:15 Is it possible for, say, Mer/Maemo to link with it and display arbitrary data on the screen? Feb 12 22:24:31 you know, for e-mail/IM updates, or similar? Feb 12 22:25:07 sounds like a fun project, but I can't answer the doable (or how easily) part. Feb 12 22:25:45 okay... I can look into it - any idea where to start? Would that be part of Bluez, or part of the application software? Feb 12 22:26:38 hell, the applet makes hildon crasho now each time.. Feb 12 22:26:45 guysoft42: Yes, you're not allocationg memory for your strings. Either declare them as fixed size arrays (and somehow know the string won't be too big...) or use malloc and free. Feb 12 22:27:05 i tried to.. not sure why it did not do it Feb 12 22:27:07 jaem: at a gues bluez Feb 12 22:27:12 let me try again now Feb 12 22:27:13 guysoft42: re: your code, not applet crashes Feb 12 22:27:47 benson, is there some maxumum constant for the buffers? Feb 12 22:28:09 guysoft42: particles in the universe, man.. Feb 12 22:28:24 jaem: looks like fun, definitely possible, but AFAIK there exists no HFP implementation, so you have to write that maybe. Feb 12 22:28:52 benson: I believe Bluez does support it Feb 12 22:29:08 oh wait... maybe not Feb 12 22:29:09 guysoft42: IDK, try man event_get_summary_fix Feb 12 22:29:22 Stskeeps, i am not sure i got that.. mind you i had a physics exam the other day Feb 12 22:29:33 jaem: maybe the new version in Maemo5 does... Feb 12 22:29:43 benson, i have direct contact with the developer who wrote that function.. Feb 12 22:29:53 benson: otherwise we do have new bluez in mer :P Feb 12 22:29:56 benson, i did it :-S Feb 12 22:30:12 benson: would that be included in Mer, then, when it comes out? Feb 12 22:30:24 guysoft42: Wait, just realized you're recursing... Feb 12 22:30:32 jaem: yes Feb 12 22:30:41 ii bluez 4.29-0ubuntu1 Bluetooth tools and daemons Feb 12 22:30:55 But IDK if it actually does have it yet, just guessing. Feb 12 22:30:59 recursing? its not a recurse Feb 12 22:31:01 it does Feb 12 22:31:01 ah.. hell! Feb 12 22:31:01 the wiki says that HFP 1.5 support is still in the works Feb 12 22:31:01 :P Feb 12 22:31:15 it was not supposed to be a recurse... Feb 12 22:31:19 Is it going into an infinite loop, perchance? Feb 12 22:31:24 XD Feb 12 22:31:28 guysoft42, you dont allocate memory before you copy stuff over the pointer Feb 12 22:31:34 recursing? as in, "darn you again!"? Feb 12 22:31:40 hehe Feb 12 22:31:41 char *tmp; <<<< not initialized Feb 12 22:31:56 strcpy(tmp,event_get_summary_fix(ev, error)); <<<<<< gets stuff wrote over hte non initialized pointer Feb 12 22:32:08 lcuk, i tried doing it with a buffer and it didnt work.. so i tried a pointer.. i know it looks like i dont know C.. but i just thaught id try Feb 12 22:32:29 lcuk: No, gets stuff written all over memory wherevere the uninitialized pointer is pointing... Feb 12 22:32:30 2 tics Feb 12 22:32:31 lubyou, yes i know.. i fixed it.. let me compile and check it.. just a sec Feb 12 22:32:46 yeah benson, just not where hes expecting ;) Feb 12 22:32:54 But it can't even do that, because it recurses in the second argument. Feb 12 22:33:20 lcuk: Yeah, but the _pointer_ is just fine. :P Feb 12 22:33:30 Only everything else gets clobbered. Feb 12 22:33:46 guysoft42, whats it actually meant to do ( i know stomping over memory wasnt the intention) Feb 12 22:33:59 how do you know benson :P it might point back over itself Feb 12 22:34:14 yay working so far Feb 12 22:34:18 True, it might. I stand corrected. Feb 12 22:34:22 has anyone got any lemsips by the way Feb 12 22:34:31 s/stand/roll on the floor laughing/ Feb 12 22:34:32 benson meant: True, it might. I roll on the floor laughing corrected. Feb 12 22:34:42 guysoft42, not crashing != working correctly Feb 12 22:36:24 GuySoft42, that function looks suspiciously like an auto work wrap thingy, but you lose 1 character per line Feb 12 22:37:00 oooh no even worse :P you stomp over whatever r is on :D Feb 12 22:37:16 lcuk: sure? I thought it was clean for wrapping. Feb 12 22:37:34 hello Feb 12 22:37:58 misread horrid array syntax ;) Feb 12 22:38:00 lcuk, its on the way for == working . and then ill have a patch ready :-) Feb 12 22:38:56 is jonnx there by any chance? Feb 12 22:38:59 * lcuk didnt know i could declare externals from within a function Feb 12 22:39:00 lcuk: yes, since we're only making one pass through the data, we should just be incrementing pointers... Feb 12 22:39:42 It's more fun that way. Feb 12 22:40:51 keeps on toes i suppose ;) Feb 12 22:44:13 sry Feb 12 22:44:47 is johnx Feb 12 22:45:05 is johnx there Feb 12 22:45:12 <_FireFox_> Fuzzybunny_235: not shure :P Feb 12 22:45:32 hi _FireFox_ Feb 12 22:45:47 johnx: please respond if u are there Feb 12 22:45:53 <_FireFox_> hello, qwerty12_N800 :) Feb 12 22:46:32 are u qwerty _12's clone???? Feb 12 22:46:42 <_FireFox_> no ;p Feb 12 22:47:12 woohey nokia doesn't know what to do with the packages they asked me to send them MONTHS AGO Feb 12 22:47:21 im talking to qwerty12 Feb 12 22:47:38 lol Feb 12 22:47:56 yes, I'm his clone :) Feb 12 22:48:08 Not clones, exactly. Feb 12 22:48:16 hehe Feb 12 22:48:16 qwerty12 is a Cylon. Feb 12 22:48:19 lol. we dont need 2 of him Feb 12 22:49:55 sry Feb 12 22:50:05 lol, i'm joking :P Feb 12 22:50:09 ~burn himself Feb 12 22:50:10 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Feb 12 22:50:14 lol XD Feb 12 22:50:15 ok.. one thing i have left - does anyone know how i can get the width of a hildon applet? Feb 12 22:50:30 thats all i need Feb 12 22:50:49 does anyone know any good repo lists for os2008 hacks? Feb 12 22:51:07 ~extras Feb 12 22:51:11 extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Feb 12 22:51:14 any sites besides gronmayer Feb 12 22:51:28 and extras-devel, if you like that sort of thing Feb 12 22:51:43 sure Feb 12 22:51:46 ....or maemo hackers Feb 12 22:51:48 Beyond that, GIYF Feb 12 22:52:13 Oh, yes, b-man, mh too. Feb 12 22:52:28 thanks Feb 12 22:52:51 but i think i already have maemo-hackers Feb 12 22:53:43 have you heard any bluetooth hacking apps for os2008? Feb 12 22:54:14 im too lazy to google Feb 12 22:54:41 * b-man googles Feb 12 22:54:52 I'm _definitely_ too lazy to google for you, so good luck... Feb 12 22:54:55 benson, do you per chance know how i can get the width ofa hildon widget? Feb 12 22:55:03 no Feb 12 22:55:16 guysoft42: no, 'fraid not. Feb 12 22:55:16 we hear u Feb 12 22:55:32 why would you Feb 12 22:55:50 benh, do you know where i might find that in the documentation? Feb 12 22:56:15 Fuzzybunny_235: wii bluetooth software :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-12128.html Feb 12 22:56:46 cool. it hacks passwords too? Feb 12 22:57:40 no :( i'll look some more Feb 12 22:58:40 yeah. its not malicious hacking. its more white. im just curious Feb 12 22:59:11 :) Feb 12 23:00:07 benson, * ^ Feb 12 23:00:23 BThack: http://pcwin.com/Utilities/BTCrack/index.htm - but you might need to build it first Feb 12 23:00:32 i gotta go thanx Feb 12 23:00:39 see ya Feb 12 23:02:18 guysoft42: Not really. Feb 12 23:03:57 benson, so should i just set it to a number? Feb 12 23:04:35 Look at other applets, maybe, see what they do? Feb 12 23:04:52 s/applet/widget/ Feb 12 23:04:53 benson meant: Look at other widgets, maybe, see what they do? Feb 12 23:05:30 (I'm not even sure what this code was a piece of, but telling me won' Feb 12 23:05:48 t help; I'm just not real clueful about Hildon programming) Feb 12 23:16:24 ok.. i think i have a patch.. the only thing that is missing is that it breaks line after 20 chars and a whitespace, not according to the window's width Feb 12 23:30:07 few questions here, im trying to use leafpad to edit my sources.list file so i can remove duplicate entries. however i cant figure out how to back out of my home dir or display hidden files. Feb 12 23:31:09 um, what do i do if i have a nice patch for gpe-summery? Feb 12 23:45:26 this damn G1 wifi tethering works great Feb 12 23:45:36 i hope att burns down :) tmob ftw Feb 12 23:45:36 heh Feb 12 23:47:53 * b-man leaves, bye all Feb 12 23:48:37 i ordered my artigo Feb 12 23:51:25 anyone using gpesummrey here and would like to test a patch? Feb 13 00:02:17 um this is strange- could it be that something happend to my keymap? because the fn key stoped working.. Feb 13 00:11:18 im lost here, how do you open files from outside your home dir in leafpad, your file manager or anything? Feb 13 00:13:25 Now I understand why you don't need brake-lights on the side of a car: http://www.gtspirit.com/uploads/images/finalis%20081108%201853.jpg Feb 13 00:14:30 anyone got any idea why i cant run a python program that uses gpsbt on my maemo if i try to kick it off via an ssh session? Feb 13 00:14:54 doesnt really matter but it is a bit annoying Feb 13 00:15:29 on your maemo? Feb 13 00:15:30 NIT? Feb 13 00:16:15 i must be really tired cause i can only think of one NIT Feb 13 00:16:20 practisevoodoo: if gpsbt is a command you execute from within python, check if you have the permissions/path set correctly access the executable Feb 13 00:16:52 practisevoodoo: 770, n800, n810? Feb 13 00:17:16 n810, it works if i kick it off from xsession on the actual device Feb 13 00:17:17 wow, I actually forgot half of that sentence Feb 13 00:17:41 practisevoodoo: again, let me repeat the path/permission comment Feb 13 00:18:40 ok i used mc as root in xterm to open my sources.list file in leafpad yet for some strange reason its blank? Feb 13 00:19:04 fhjs: probably wrong path Feb 13 00:19:22 /etc/apt/sources.list Feb 13 00:19:24 ? Feb 13 00:19:36 should be it Feb 13 00:20:21 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Feb 13 00:21:06 fhjs: /etc/apt/sources.list is empty everywhere, unless you add stuff to it, that is :) Feb 13 00:21:15 excellent, thanks for that crashanddie. I ssh in as root and su to user and it works Feb 13 00:21:29 i have repos though Feb 13 00:21:53 added via the app manager Feb 13 00:21:53 practisevoodoo: glad I could help Feb 13 00:22:27 under tools catalogue, where are those stored? Feb 13 00:23:02 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Feb 13 00:24:56 ah thanks Feb 13 00:25:03 stupid doubles in it Feb 13 00:25:14 trying to weed them out Feb 13 00:50:59 now i'm all amped up to get my artigo Feb 13 00:51:06 heh Feb 13 00:51:06 maybe i'll put mer on it Feb 13 00:51:06 lol Feb 13 01:06:20 Hello guys what's up? Feb 13 01:08:02 Stskeeps: is it easy to learn how to make to power button working on mer? Feb 13 01:10:34 dumdidum. Feb 13 01:41:50 johnx: any luck? Feb 13 02:44:06 Anyone been able to get friendscard to install? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 13 02:59:57 2009