**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 13 02:59:57 2009 Feb 13 04:52:22 Does anyone have experience/a link for setting up irreco with vlc? Feb 13 04:57:18 does anyone has any good pics of mer??? Feb 13 04:57:23 (for demonstration) Feb 13 04:59:57 Stskeeps: Missed a step in the imager, need to make the /dev/input directtory before you mknod in it. will push a change to lp Feb 13 05:00:43 r2d2rogers: have you any repository of mer images? Feb 13 05:01:04 pictures or rootfs images? Feb 13 05:01:37 http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki Feb 13 05:01:40 some there Feb 13 05:01:58 (screenshots) Feb 13 05:02:08 that's what i wanted :) Feb 13 05:02:11 thanx bro Feb 13 05:02:46 welcome Feb 13 05:12:38 r2d2rogers: something last Feb 13 05:12:51 do you have any screenshot of splash screen? Feb 13 05:12:54 ? Feb 13 05:13:14 the boot menu of Nxxx Feb 13 05:13:23 in order to access mer or maemo Feb 13 05:13:51 not the rescure menu but the advances bootmenu ? Feb 13 05:13:56 rescue? Feb 13 05:14:15 rescue menu is in here at the bottom of the post http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/mer-ui-the-beginning/ Feb 13 05:15:06 man... this is TOO much beautiful... Feb 13 05:15:10 in my N810 Feb 13 05:15:15 yuop Feb 13 05:15:19 it is some letters.... Feb 13 05:15:21 I'm playing with 770s Feb 13 05:15:26 have I done something wrong? Feb 13 05:15:34 ? Feb 13 05:15:48 you have just the black text on white screen? Feb 13 05:15:55 yes.... Feb 13 05:16:03 that's normal for start Feb 13 05:16:07 then the splash hits Feb 13 05:16:35 how do I make it? Feb 13 05:16:54 it says BOOT MENU Feb 13 05:16:59 Interna flash Feb 13 05:17:06 is there one for Mer? Feb 13 05:17:12 mer on external card, p3 Feb 13 05:17:18 there ya go Feb 13 05:17:26 power off ( when not on charger) Feb 13 05:17:27 dpad down to that and hit the center button on the dpad Feb 13 05:17:36 mer on external Card p3 Feb 13 05:17:40 yes Feb 13 05:17:53 but it books only a simple screen Feb 13 05:17:56 got it? Feb 13 05:18:07 right, the boot menu is... Feb 13 05:18:09 http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/MerOnN810#5292631353482276018 Feb 13 05:18:16 I see only this one Feb 13 05:18:26 Yup Feb 13 05:18:30 and afterwars the "desktop" of mer Feb 13 05:18:46 but this http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mer3.jpg?w=800&h=480 Feb 13 05:18:55 is much more differenet from my mer... Feb 13 05:18:58 if you want the rescue menu you need to hole the "home" button from the instant you see the blue splash Feb 13 05:19:14 yeah he's got a theme in there. Feb 13 05:19:41 I think that might be a mockup also Feb 13 05:19:49 not yet working theme Feb 13 05:20:10 until then it would be simple Feb 13 05:20:20 right Feb 13 05:20:30 more like the maemo themes Feb 13 05:20:48 but I think they have some proof od concept work toward that mockup done Feb 13 05:20:55 ok then Feb 13 05:20:57 it's ok Feb 13 05:21:04 something last Feb 13 05:21:09 had you managed Feb 13 05:21:14 to get your powerbutton Feb 13 05:21:16 working? Feb 13 05:21:28 (in order not to type sudo poweroff) Feb 13 05:21:31 nope on the 770 I'm still focused on the wifi driver right now Feb 13 05:21:38 I don't have a n8x0 Feb 13 05:22:21 in case I am running out of battery in either maemo Feb 13 05:22:26 or mer Feb 13 05:22:35 the device would shutdown by itself? Feb 13 05:22:44 yeah, I usually work with it plugged in when I'm playing with Mer right now Feb 13 05:23:12 I beleive so... the watchdog stuff is active last I heard Feb 13 05:23:18 hi Feb 13 05:23:36 howdy slonopotamus Feb 13 05:23:41 anyone tried compiling pygtk on device? Feb 13 05:23:53 not I Feb 13 05:24:46 οκ μαν Feb 13 05:24:47 thanx Feb 13 05:24:58 aaaaaaaaaaa Feb 13 05:25:08 and I can also use any install file Feb 13 05:25:10 form maemo Feb 13 05:25:17 also in mer Feb 13 05:25:26 (such as personal menu, right?) Feb 13 05:26:11 t3rminat0r: If you have a recent image I think the hildon application manager is working properly Feb 13 05:26:23 nice :) Feb 13 05:26:28 i installed fennec Feb 13 05:26:28 I think there are issues with the personal menu, but personal launcher works fine Feb 13 05:26:32 and it works Feb 13 05:26:35 Feb 13 05:26:48 yup I finally saw that on my 770 with Mer Feb 13 05:26:56 ? Feb 13 05:26:57 i have strange results. it builds in 2 minutes on my desktop. i expected something about 10-15 minutes on device. but it compiled gtk.c for a day (!), ate 90 mb ram and still didn't finish. i suspect there is some weird bug in gcc Feb 13 05:48:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Ee4tNl3Vg Feb 13 05:48:57 wow that thing is pretty small Feb 13 05:50:54 Macer, buy a Beagle. Feb 13 05:57:48 heh Feb 13 05:57:53 already bought this thing Feb 13 06:55:24 good morning Feb 13 06:56:45 damn, the tablet doesn't sleep when connected to wlan Feb 13 06:56:53 so it *again* passed out during the night Feb 13 06:57:13 blah Feb 13 06:57:20 I have to wonder... why did Nokia name their flasher "fiasco"? Fiasco is exactly what I *don't* want to happen when I'm flashing :S Feb 13 06:57:53 some kind of humour :) Feb 13 06:58:14 Corsac, are you sure your AP isn't broken? Feb 13 06:58:34 You should get about 4 days idle on WiFi if you don't have a broken-ass AP or some service isn't using the network a lot. Feb 13 06:58:49 GeneralAntilles: not really sure Feb 13 06:58:55 what do you call a broken AP? Feb 13 06:58:57 jaem, FIASCO is an RTOS Feb 13 06:59:06 Corsac, one that doesn't support wifi power saving Feb 13 06:59:10 ~psm Feb 13 06:59:11 i guess psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html. You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL. It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm Feb 13 06:59:13 ~wifi-psm Feb 13 06:59:14 rumour has it, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Feb 13 06:59:25 how that's surely possible Feb 13 06:59:36 and there is trafic (low, but still) basically alway Feb 13 06:59:37 +s Feb 13 07:00:15 Morning! Feb 13 07:01:19 GA: that would make more sense, then... how is it related to the flasher, then? Feb 13 07:01:42 jaem, NOLO Feb 13 07:02:38 http://bugs.freeplayer.org/task/2538 Feb 13 07:02:42 (french, sorry) Feb 13 07:04:32 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3481 is the maemo associated bug Feb 13 07:48:10 morning Feb 13 07:53:36 pong daperl Feb 13 07:55:45 Stskeeps, what's goin' on? I'm just heading to bed. Feb 13 07:56:00 not much. i am waking up, cleaning the house and going to my dads :P Feb 13 07:56:59 Stskeeps, It's midnight here. What time is it there? Feb 13 07:57:24 damn you round earth, also, ctcp time Feb 13 07:59:14 daperl: 8:55am Feb 13 08:02:40 Stskeeps, I have my son till Monday morning. My hope is to hand something off to you by bedtime Tuesday. Feb 13 08:08:40 alright, have a good weekend with the son :) Feb 13 08:11:12 Stskeeps, thanks, goodnight Feb 13 08:14:39 moo all Feb 13 08:15:37 morning Feb 13 08:28:21 Morning, all Feb 13 10:38:14 kulve: hi, did you get to read MAFW docs Feb 13 10:38:17 ? Feb 13 10:38:42 I read just some high level stuff quickly.. Feb 13 10:39:14 garage.maemo.org/projects/mafw is still empty and there's still no "home page" for the project Feb 13 10:40:45 hello Feb 13 10:40:47 Anyone knows what the status of the latest Canola2b11 is? Can it be promoted to Extras? Feb 13 10:40:48 * timeless is sick Feb 13 10:42:29 RST38h, don't promote things you don't own. Feb 13 10:42:35 kulve: bah! i really need to talk to those guys Feb 13 10:42:38 General: I do not Feb 13 10:42:45 <3 trains with wifi Feb 13 10:42:51 RST38h, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=264198 see this thread for details. Feb 13 10:42:51 General: Just inquiring if this is gonna happen any time soon Feb 13 10:43:08 Yes, soon, they're just cleaning up a few loose ends. Feb 13 10:44:37 zeenix: why are you supporting other peoples but not me on MAFW :P Feb 13 10:45:00 suihkulokki: s/peoples/people/ Feb 13 10:45:01 suihkulokki: because you are asking questions about it that i've no clue about :) Feb 13 10:45:05 peoples are like nations Feb 13 10:45:21 1 person; 2 people Feb 13 10:45:23 suihkulokki: ignore timeless Feb 13 10:45:34 I am Feb 13 10:45:41 suihkulokki: when he is correcting your english that is :) Feb 13 10:45:51 I typo - therefor I am Feb 13 10:45:58 Genral: thanks =) Feb 13 10:46:02 I typo - therefor I am _human_ Feb 13 10:46:17 suihkulokki: you are peopleS :) Feb 13 10:46:28 therefore :) Feb 13 10:46:44 The form without a final .E. is an archaic bit of legal terminology meaning .for.. The word most people want is .therefore.. List of errors. Feb 13 10:46:45 www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/therefor.html Feb 13 10:47:17 RST38h, sorry for the harsh reaction. The way you phrased it immediately made me picture the apocalypse occurring on itT as a thousand posts instantly get added to the b11 thread. Feb 13 10:48:38 isn't every day apocalypse day on iTT? Feb 13 10:49:03 sts: certainly :) Feb 13 10:49:20 or armageddon, the final conflict? Feb 13 10:50:56 is there a way to check if the fm radio electronics are still up and running? Feb 13 10:52:48 * RST38h will go and promote random shit from Extras Devel like *right away* =) Feb 13 10:52:56 For extra mayhem Feb 13 10:57:21 gan: ok, i've pushed a new .zip Feb 13 10:57:36 people interested in testing my en-us are requested to grab the latest file Feb 13 11:00:24 "It's (Exherbo) quite different from other distributions because at this time it doesn't center on end-users, and also doesn't want to attract too many developers." Feb 13 11:00:27 what? Feb 13 11:00:52 timeless, microb-related string: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/microboff.png , spot the error Feb 13 11:01:57 a Feb 13 11:03:20 StsN802: the first bullet point? at least it's a not-so-fluent sentence Feb 13 11:03:41 sorry, network failed Feb 13 11:03:58 We were internally aware of the offline mode stuff Feb 13 11:04:03 As well as the advice Feb 13 11:04:16 We decided to leave it alone Feb 13 11:04:43 suihkulokki, sounds like a gentoo derivative.. Feb 13 11:05:32 suihkulokki: doesn't this statement cover like 90% inux distros out there? Feb 13 11:06:52 suihkulokki, it's a lot of ex-Gentoo guys. Feb 13 11:08:09 timeless, yeah, i am surprised the error even showed up Feb 13 11:08:33 RST38h: most distrost try attract developers the best they can Feb 13 11:08:54 except for the one-man distros Feb 13 11:09:01 suihkulokki: not Slackware or Gentoo Feb 13 11:09:19 um Feb 13 11:09:39 The skype installer looks funny on Mer/h-d Frem Feb 13 11:09:57 It pops up at the NW screen corner Feb 13 11:10:33 possibly an artefact of movable dialogs Feb 13 11:10:47 mauku has a similar issue Feb 13 11:10:50 RST38h: I know gentoo recruits new developers, but slackware counts as one-man distro :P Feb 13 11:11:01 Help Feb 13 11:11:11 I was asked to add a catlog Feb 13 11:11:17 I clicked details Feb 13 11:11:27 Now i have a button free dialog Feb 13 11:11:46 esc Feb 13 11:11:53 It doesn't respond to escape or clicking out of the dialog Feb 13 11:12:55 timelE61i, hmm. yeah, we gotta get the x'es back in dialogs.. Feb 13 11:13:29 * timeless frowns Feb 13 11:13:31 picture coming Feb 13 11:14:12 timeless.justdave.net/maemo/h-a-m-cannot-escape.png Feb 13 11:16:21 on a slight wtf.. hildonized skype for x86 exists? Feb 13 11:16:39 sts: from nokia? for nokians? Feb 13 11:16:44 dunno Feb 13 11:16:47 but the installer does :) Feb 13 11:16:58 hehe Feb 13 11:17:06 timeless, try enter Feb 13 11:17:22 no worky Feb 13 11:17:51 * timeless considers trying to read the code for the skype-installer Feb 13 11:17:53 prolly cos ham is half diablo and a bit pre fremantle Feb 13 11:17:56 iirc i've actually looked recently Feb 13 11:18:16 oh, but hrm, yeah, no point in looking at the installer Feb 13 11:18:19 this is a ham bug Feb 13 11:18:22 (it is not the git version) Feb 13 11:18:26 which ham do i have? Feb 13 11:18:53 ham svn garage r1465 i think Feb 13 11:19:12 i have 1:2.1.20~unreleased-r1... Feb 13 11:19:28 we didn't have upstart-dev and others beforre prealpha2 so we couldn't do git Feb 13 11:19:41 is my version sane? Feb 13 11:20:42 no, but it works reasonably.. we have to pull in the new patches Feb 13 11:20:49 from git ver Feb 13 11:21:37 my definition of sane is 'not diablo' Feb 13 11:21:54 remember i've installed nearly every diablo package there is :) Feb 13 11:21:58 gotta collect them all Feb 13 11:24:21 * timeless pokes gan/jaffa Feb 13 11:24:48 Hum? Feb 13 11:24:53 sts: should i file a bug about ham? Feb 13 11:25:02 gan: can i get you to test my latest l10n pack? Feb 13 11:26:07 sts: from memory, the skype installer basically has a .install file and then asks ham to open it Feb 13 11:26:17 In a bit Feb 13 11:26:44 the install file merely specifies the nokia catalog (tableteer), and the package to install (dunno) Feb 13 11:27:07 the details dialog seems to be app modal Feb 13 11:27:14 so i can't click the app close button Feb 13 11:27:23 and because of its position, i can't click the window switcher button Feb 13 11:28:03 i canuse my keyboard to open the window switcher, but of course [x] doesn't work, because the app proceses events Feb 13 11:28:07 * timeless sighs Feb 13 11:28:14 * timeless coplained about this behavior a couple of years ago Feb 13 11:29:52 sts: can you use a core dump from ham? Feb 13 11:32:55 oh gah Feb 13 11:32:56 * timeless sighs Feb 13 11:33:04 * timeless kicks osso-games Feb 13 11:33:13 they really don't get this "one string per use" thing Feb 13 11:33:37 timeless, judging from your screenshots it really does seem like there is hope for mer bits combined with fremantle closed source bits is possible Feb 13 11:33:59 i'm having very few problems Feb 13 11:34:02 a couple of things don't install Feb 13 11:34:08 but that's because of dependency hell Feb 13 11:34:15 timeless, yes, file a bug, but to mer for now Feb 13 11:34:15 which is so much worse than dll hell Feb 13 11:34:29 yes, it is Feb 13 11:35:00 we have some dirty tricks to make it easier to grab maemo stuff Feb 13 11:35:28 you would be astonished how much depends on 'base64' Feb 13 11:35:43 nah Feb 13 11:35:49 i have an xref, i can just ask :) Feb 13 11:36:03 atm, xkbdata is the one that kills me Feb 13 11:36:18 if you could make the package you have use provides instead of conflicts Feb 13 11:36:26 that'd let me install the last missing bits of diablo Feb 13 11:36:43 mm Feb 13 11:37:04 which package? Feb 13 11:37:23 xkb-data 1.4-1ubuntu3 Feb 13 11:37:32 xkbdata 0.8-0osso28diablo2 Feb 13 11:37:39 the former conflicts w/ the latter Feb 13 11:37:53 it doesn't provides it too? Feb 13 11:37:54 and some bits of osso depend on the latter Feb 13 11:38:12 not afaict Feb 13 11:38:31 they don't depend based on version right? Feb 13 11:39:46 unversioned requirement from osso-applet-bluetooth-keyboard Feb 13 11:40:32 should be relatively painless then Feb 13 11:40:42 i gave up and wget + dpkg -i'd it Feb 13 11:40:51 * timeless doesn't consider the currrent state painless Feb 13 11:40:54 but yes, it should be Feb 13 11:41:11 as in, to fix it Feb 13 11:41:12 can someone tell me what version of skype-installer is in the latest official diablo? Feb 13 11:41:47 timeless, what should I be paying attention to? Feb 13 11:41:55 oh, nm Feb 13 11:42:04 gan: um, sadly everything Feb 13 11:42:10 i tried to get 'AV Chat' right Feb 13 11:42:16 i tried to get 'call' mostly dead Feb 13 11:42:27 i tried not to use 'device' unless i meant bluetooth Feb 13 11:42:40 i'm trying not to use ... for things where the user is asking for a dialog Feb 13 11:42:48 so a menu should be 'settings' not 'settings...' Feb 13 11:43:10 but an item 'add foopy...' needs the '...'s because the user will hit a dialog before the user can successfully get the user's foopy Feb 13 11:43:53 kulve: btw, i'll try to get a GSoC student to write the gvfs backend Feb 13 11:44:14 kulve: http://live.gnome.org/Rygel/GSoC2009 Feb 13 11:44:26 kulve: i hope you don't mind me mentioning your project there :) Feb 13 11:44:41 in general, there shouldn't be many instances of 'phone' Feb 13 11:44:49 the uses of 'mobile' should be rare (cellular) Feb 13 11:45:02 zeenix, I only got the Rygel/Farscape connection recently. Nice name. ;) Feb 13 11:45:08 i've tried to make the media player net radio directory strings rane Feb 13 11:45:23 heh Feb 13 11:45:29 s/rane/sane/ Feb 13 11:45:43 poss Feb 13 11:46:26 the errors from media player are still not ideal Feb 13 11:46:40 if you use maps or rhapsody or skype, things should be closer to the strings seen elsewhere Feb 13 11:46:54 oh, in general you shouldn't see 'Internet connection' Feb 13 11:47:14 because the tablet doesn't really know if the connection is for the Internet or just some private network Feb 13 11:47:21 however, i think some of those strings need work Feb 13 11:47:30 because sometimes 'connection' alone is probably less than ideal Feb 13 11:47:42 in the cases i caught that, it should say 'network' instead Feb 13 11:48:04 zeenix: of course not :) Feb 13 11:48:33 zeenix: and I want to integrate it to ALIP as well (in http://linux.onarm.com) Feb 13 11:49:37 where does one go to file bugs against osso-games? Feb 13 11:49:57 GeneralAntilles: heh! thanks Feb 13 11:53:08 * timeless forwns Feb 13 11:53:13 * timeless frowns Feb 13 11:54:40 anyone here know what _ai_ means? :) Feb 13 11:54:59 err _ia_ Feb 13 11:56:07 intel architecture? Feb 13 11:56:25 no Feb 13 11:56:27 * aquatix needs more context otherwise Feb 13 11:57:35 timeless: examples? "internet ..."? Feb 13 11:57:47 * Jaffa stopped trying to guess what the two-letter codes were in the i18n strings Feb 13 12:00:04 game_ia_startup_not_started