**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 14 14:03:53 2009 Feb 14 14:12:44 Hmmm Feb 14 14:12:56 Seems that /vote/ didn't make the move to the new Midgard. Feb 14 14:39:07 H there Feb 14 14:39:14 hallo Feb 14 14:39:20 hi gnuton Feb 14 14:39:35 hei johnx, qwerty12_N800! :D Feb 14 14:40:41 hello gnuton :) Feb 14 14:40:59 hi b-man Feb 14 14:41:20 hello qwerty12_N800 Feb 14 14:41:30 hello b-man :D Feb 14 14:45:40 hi gnuton, whats about the 3d driver.. Feb 14 14:45:41 ^^ Feb 14 14:46:13 thopiekar: 3D driver for???? N810 or for the next deice? Feb 14 14:46:24 N810^^ Feb 14 14:46:31 even N8x0 Feb 14 14:46:33 :) Feb 14 14:46:36 :( Feb 14 14:46:43 :[ Feb 14 14:46:58 the smile says all Feb 14 14:46:59 .. Feb 14 14:47:03 I think that there are not other word to explain this --> :( Feb 14 14:47:26 ;C Feb 14 14:47:28 N810 can't have a 3D driver... Feb 14 14:47:37 * GeneralAntilles still has hope. Feb 14 14:47:48 GeneralAntilles, eh? really? Feb 14 14:47:51 GeneralAntilles: we can create a petition for that.. Feb 14 14:48:01 we did create a petition Feb 14 14:48:08 then we created justification Feb 14 14:48:30 Btw is not a nokia issue.. Feb 14 14:48:56 exactly Feb 14 14:49:30 the problems in the hardware-design? Feb 14 14:49:33 anyways, it will either happen or it won't and we're best off doing what we can without 3D drivers Feb 14 14:51:25 thopiekar, no. Feb 14 14:52:44 mer brings all things to n810 Feb 14 14:52:48 eventually Feb 14 14:53:17 dphil314: what about n800?! Feb 14 14:53:28 sure why not Feb 14 14:53:34 ^^ Feb 14 14:53:45 and wii Feb 14 14:53:51 Someone put a AK to the heads of ImgTech already... Feb 14 14:54:18 wii? you mean the gaming platform or what... Feb 14 14:54:38 we say "give us 3d", what do we want to do with 3d if we have it? Feb 14 14:54:45 according to the blueprint, yes Feb 14 14:54:53 someone should buy one imgtec stock and complain at the shareholders meeting Feb 14 14:55:03 sounds rather ambitious at the moment Feb 14 14:55:58 lcuk: games Feb 14 14:56:47 very vague, got anything in mind Feb 14 14:56:50 how can I deactivate using swap on grub? Feb 14 14:57:17 donkey kong? Feb 14 14:57:22 Is there any guarantee that the games will run smoothly though? remember, the lcd controller sucks balls Feb 14 14:57:50 moo all Feb 14 14:57:59 hi RST38h Feb 14 14:58:26 good morning everyone Feb 14 14:58:42 'noon jaem :P Feb 14 14:58:53 * RST38h has no problems with Blizzard (for the record) Feb 14 14:59:16 hi jaem, RST38h.. Feb 14 14:59:19 ;) Feb 14 15:00:03 my N810 is due back on Monday :D Feb 14 15:00:09 just have to wait until then... Feb 14 15:00:52 I'll probably clone Maemo, and then triple-boot with Mer Feb 14 15:01:29 RST38h: hola Feb 14 15:01:37 wazd: Heya Feb 14 15:01:58 Nokia doesn't sell a standalone battery charger, do they? Feb 14 15:02:18 wazd: got 'em uploaded? =) Feb 14 15:05:06 RST38h: yep, at last :) http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0902/86/41dc37a9ee0e.png Feb 14 15:05:26 oh wow... nice work Feb 14 15:05:30 * jaem high fives wazd Feb 14 15:05:34 hey Stskeeps, you told me to use mer-vmdk to repack enlightenment.. Feb 14 15:05:42 RST38h: I can make screen colors more "gameboyish" if you like :) Feb 14 15:05:48 jaem: thx) Feb 14 15:05:49 why shouldn't use sb1? Feb 14 15:05:59 wazd: that actually looks better than the real calc, IMO Feb 14 15:06:12 wazd, push it marginally more green/yellow and slightly less blue. Feb 14 15:06:24 wazd: Colors are just fine for the SE =) Feb 14 15:06:36 wazd, just the barest hint. Feb 14 15:06:45 that looks sweet. i'd love to have a good tiemu. Feb 14 15:06:49 * johnx keeps seeing cheap Sony Mylo2s for sale and wonders why no one has bothered hacking them... Feb 14 15:07:02 wazd: But do make all superscripted words thicker - do not not stand out enough (same for all the other faceplates) Feb 14 15:07:37 what is TI's current policy on ROMs? The TI-85 and friends are quite old, but I thought TI was a stickler about that... Feb 14 15:07:45 wazd: Is there a new one for ti83? Feb 14 15:07:45 * GeneralAntilles wishes he could have a TI-89ti emulator. Feb 14 15:07:54 you must own the calc Feb 14 15:08:00 that's what I thought Feb 14 15:08:03 but the rom's can be found Feb 14 15:08:09 well, yes ;) Feb 14 15:08:13 this /is/ the Internet Feb 14 15:08:18 RST38h: well, they have same size ratios as the original) Feb 14 15:08:22 jaem: TI does not encourage rom distribution but does not complain about it either Feb 14 15:08:37 Oh really? huh. Good for TI Feb 14 15:09:21 jaem: They sell calcs, not the software, and apparently treat this whole thing as viral advertising Feb 14 15:10:03 that's surprising... TI has never been one of the more friendly companies, but it's good Feb 14 15:10:11 wazd: yea, except that in a real thing pixels are much smalle ;) Feb 14 15:10:14 smaller Feb 14 15:10:21 the killer app for me would be a port of XCAS Feb 14 15:10:30 (maple compatible CAS) Feb 14 15:10:32 imagine how speedy the graphs will be on omap3 Feb 14 15:10:41 there is Octave Feb 14 15:10:50 * jaem imagines graphs slightly faster than those on a 6MHz Z80 Feb 14 15:11:05 faster than omap2 Feb 14 15:11:12 RST38h: yes, but I was looking for something more Mapley Feb 14 15:11:35 jaem: REDUCE Feb 14 15:11:35 it has a WXWidgets frontend, so I imagine it wouldn't be much trouble Feb 14 15:11:42 I just haven't gotten around to it Feb 14 15:11:55 Z80 was hot for its time in an Apple ][e Feb 14 15:11:56 RST38h: sorry? Feb 14 15:12:15 jaem: There is a symbolic math package called REDUCE Feb 14 15:12:18 dphil: I have an Epson "laptop", running a 4MHz Z80 Feb 14 15:12:25 heh Feb 14 15:12:30 RST38h: I'll check it out - thanks Feb 14 15:12:30 still? Feb 14 15:12:45 dphil: it's from 1984, and it runs CP/M Feb 14 15:12:49 dphil: It all depends on the application. Some pretty new MP3 players still use 8051 Feb 14 15:12:59 dphil: And Z80 also occurs all over the place Feb 14 15:13:02 you write fortran 77 on it? Feb 14 15:13:14 that's what we did in 1984 on the apples Feb 14 15:13:32 ha! no... it has a BASIC interpreter, though Feb 14 15:13:45 and for about $14, I could get WordStar Feb 14 15:13:50 RST38h: ok, I'll try to enlarge them Feb 14 15:14:00 plus some other stuff - you have to swap out ROM chips to "install" programs Feb 14 15:14:01 the cs prof had wordstar Feb 14 15:14:04 wazd: Not enlarge, just make them a bit thicker Feb 14 15:14:11 wazd: Like you have done with PI Feb 14 15:14:30 wazd: so that antialiasing does not make them disappear :) Feb 14 15:14:58 dphil: surprisingly, it still works fine, and the battery runs for about 2 hours Feb 14 15:15:09 it's a LiIon Feb 14 15:15:58 :P Feb 14 15:16:05 i wonder if linux (dsl?) would run on it Feb 14 15:16:10 um... no Feb 14 15:16:17 it has 64kB of RAM Feb 14 15:16:24 and a microcassette drive Feb 14 15:16:38 who would ever need more than that? Feb 14 15:16:39 and it takes about 20s for it to load "Hello World" from tape, and execute it Feb 14 15:16:45 hahaha Feb 14 15:16:58 TI85 has 32kB Feb 14 15:17:06 ...and doesn't run Linux Feb 14 15:17:09 Linux runs it Feb 14 15:17:11 ah yes the panasonic tape recorder hooked up to a trs-80 Feb 14 15:17:29 * jaem wants an 8-track deck for his desktop Feb 14 15:17:38 my tablet won't show connections in the select conn dialog, any cure for that besides a reflash? even the dialup connection won't show (n810, diablo) Feb 14 15:18:07 it automatically connects though Feb 14 15:18:14 wazd: what app are you using to create these skins? Feb 14 15:18:18 disq: perhaps /etc/init.d/icd2 restart Feb 14 15:19:18 a reboot won't fix it btw, don't think that will either Feb 14 15:19:37 disq: likely not, then Feb 14 15:19:53 disq: you said it will connect automatically to a known network, just not manually? Feb 14 15:19:59 yeah Feb 14 15:20:13 is the connectivity applet menu just blank, then? Feb 14 15:20:15 and the select conn dialog (the one where it searches for networks and lists them) is always empty Feb 14 15:20:26 s/menu/dialog/ Feb 14 15:20:27 jaem meant: is the connectivity applet dialog just blank, then? Feb 14 15:20:39 hmm Feb 14 15:21:11 nope, i have saved ap's there. adding a new ap there works, and it will autoconnect automatically (next time it does its thing) Feb 14 15:21:30 disq: you can grab gconf-editor and see if there's anything dodgy under /system/osso/connectivity Feb 14 15:21:50 yeah i think it's a gconf issue as well. will do Feb 14 15:21:59 sounds reasonable Feb 14 15:22:35 in other news, i'm using my old nokia 770 as a WC occupation notifier now Feb 14 15:23:03 a python script listens for charger connected/disconnected dbus signals and updates the twitter status Feb 14 15:23:20 i have the charger hooked up to the ceiling lights Feb 14 15:23:40 nice! Feb 14 15:23:51 and rather creative Feb 14 15:24:48 you can call it an iPooed Feb 14 15:25:00 i will log the status via a webservice and keep a log of it for usage graphs Feb 14 15:26:12 (11 people, one obsessive cleaning lady and just one wc in the office) Feb 14 15:26:52 so you need to know the status at all times Feb 14 15:26:56 ...the uses people find for twitter... Feb 14 15:27:02 Ok. So, cleaning lady dies first, eaten by the toilet bowl inhabitant Feb 14 15:27:09 now that's a mission critical app! Feb 14 15:27:14 :) Feb 14 15:27:19 But how do you off remaining 11 souls? Feb 14 15:27:57 And can you make it long enough to qualify for a B-grade horror flick? =) Feb 14 15:28:12 maybe C-grade Feb 14 15:28:14 that's the kind of thing that''l get you promoted to senior management Feb 14 15:28:19 Yea, C. Feb 14 15:28:25 But definitely with a fan club Feb 14 15:28:36 you could have custom Maemo themes Feb 14 15:28:43 to go with your twittering N770s Feb 14 15:28:47 Rig the flusher to bring out a Glock that shoots when flushed Feb 14 15:29:03 and an iRobot Scooba to clean up the blood Feb 14 15:29:10 the prank possibilities are endless Feb 14 15:32:18 i considered detecting flush noises and keeping/posting the time of the last flush but don't think the 770 can handle that unless i fiddle with the dsp. and it's kinda hard to distinguish from the normal running water/faucet sound anyways Feb 14 15:32:37 that's also marginally more disturbing Feb 14 15:33:04 sensor hooked up to the valve Feb 14 15:33:14 why do you want t collect bathroom usage stats anyways? Feb 14 15:33:18 industrial control Feb 14 15:33:32 sensors could work but they also come with wires Feb 14 15:33:36 measure the volume change in the bowl during each usage Feb 14 15:33:47 lol Feb 14 15:33:53 what if t6hey do not flush? Feb 14 15:33:53 also have it check if they've washed their hands Feb 14 15:34:01 measure the amount the person has moved Feb 14 15:34:16 just tag each person with rfid Feb 14 15:34:25 and put a sensor on the toilet paper roll to measure length used Feb 14 15:34:27 and track their movements through the restoroom Feb 14 15:35:05 graph the percentage of people who flush and wash their hands before & after the app is published, good for health & safety Feb 14 15:35:19 keep a total poo counter and another one daily stats. graph it depending on the day Feb 14 15:35:37 day after the super bowl is off the charts Feb 14 15:36:26 also, make the toilet analyse waste to detect potential health problems Feb 14 15:36:30 and twitter that, too Feb 14 15:37:41 and maybe e-mail out a follow-up survey after each use Feb 14 15:37:53 lol Feb 14 15:38:01 satisfaction level? Feb 14 15:38:17 "our records indicate that you have recently used our bathroom. Please take a few minutes to rate our service" Feb 14 15:38:23 * RST38h wonders where electric shocker should come into the picture Feb 14 15:38:34 shock them if they don't wash their hands Feb 14 15:38:46 Maybe automatically lock the stall and shock the victim until he/se flushes Feb 14 15:39:10 door is bolted and doorknob electrified Feb 14 15:39:15 why not just an autoflush? for fun i guess. Feb 14 15:39:27 $| = 1 Feb 14 15:39:33 because it would require less of a hack Feb 14 15:40:02 you could hardly get an autoflusher on the likes of Hackaday Feb 14 15:40:17 open the bathroom door, hal! ... i'm sorry dave, i can't do that. Feb 14 15:40:23 yes Feb 14 15:40:32 we definitely need a red glowing orb that talks to you Feb 14 15:40:54 but give it the voice of GLADOS Feb 14 15:45:13 good job! In 20 minutes, #maemo has managed to destroy all convential notions of privacy, for the purposes of a fun project Feb 14 15:45:41 the "iPooed" project Feb 14 15:46:03 that's probably already taken Feb 14 15:46:07 yeah. so don't give out rfid chips to users Feb 14 15:46:18 aww... but that's no fun Feb 14 15:46:44 disq: autoflush would be too simplistic Feb 14 15:47:00 someone like thinkgeek made a prank toilet paper dispenser with an iPod dock on the top, called it the iPooed Feb 14 15:47:10 yeah, I think it was TG Feb 14 15:47:18 I liked the shrinter Feb 14 15:47:31 nobody's going to read *those* documents Feb 14 15:47:52 is that ecofriendly? Feb 14 15:48:21 well, if you don't plan on reading the documents, then shredding them as they're printed isn't waste in and of itself Feb 14 15:48:28 however, printing them in the first place is Feb 14 15:49:20 is it possible to print from the N810? Feb 14 15:49:30 or rather, is it possible without major tweaks? Feb 14 15:49:49 i saw a deb for bluez-cups Feb 14 15:50:03 methinks I did too, but I don't have a wireless printer Feb 14 15:50:08 don't know if it's ported Feb 14 15:50:16 could that connect via bluetooth to a cups server running on a desktop? Feb 14 15:50:28 perhaps Feb 14 15:50:46 stick a BT dongle in USB and load appropriate SW Feb 14 15:50:53 damn seems like the 770 lost the connection again Feb 14 15:50:55 sounds promising Feb 14 15:51:03 I may give that a try when I get my N810 back Feb 14 15:51:12 WC outage? Feb 14 15:51:16 i'll have to write some conic code to check for that and keep it connected Feb 14 15:51:25 tried devicescape but somehow it doesn't work properly, can't even login Feb 14 15:51:28 wonder how wimax progress is looking in chicago Feb 14 15:51:39 i'm sure they are still only in baltimore Feb 14 15:51:41 what a shame Feb 14 15:51:44 I'm also looking forward to fiddling with my bluetooth LCD wristband... Feb 14 15:51:56 hopefully I can make the N810 do something fun with that Feb 14 15:52:02 the next gen of wireless access will have to wait until the next generation of people Feb 14 15:52:44 making one with n810 is even easier, just use the ambient light sensor Feb 14 15:53:43 Circuit Cellar mag advertises lots of BT and RF gear. The hot item is ARM boards with ZigBee wireless can transmit 100 meters. BT is 10 meters afaik. Feb 14 15:53:51 the wristband has a button, a screen, and a vibe motor - perfect for providing notifications of random stuff Feb 14 15:54:26 and, of course, good for geek cred :P Feb 14 15:54:28 it's low enough power you don't need FCC license to build stuff Feb 14 15:54:58 dphil: how much would one (or two rather) of those run you? Feb 14 15:55:46 each board with CPU, ZigBee, SD slot, etc. about $300 Feb 14 15:55:57 a bit above my budget... Feb 14 15:56:03 getting cheaper & faster all the time Feb 14 15:56:03 but cool nonetheless Feb 14 15:56:38 my freind and I are looking into repurposing a consumer wifi router into a music-activated lights controller Feb 14 15:56:51 overbolded symbols looks ugly( Feb 14 15:56:55 disco ball? Feb 14 15:57:07 no... something with a bit more FFT-goodness in it Feb 14 15:57:26 I'm not sure how it will turn out, but it sounds reasonably feasible Feb 14 15:57:30 wats better than disco?? Feb 14 15:57:35 undisco Feb 14 15:57:48 (punk) Feb 14 15:58:05 I'm also trying to think of a suitable project to enter in the contest at http://instructables.com - the prize being a laser cutter Feb 14 15:58:21 IIRC, the last one they gave away was worth $13,000 CAD Feb 14 15:58:26 or maybe USD Feb 14 15:58:28 I forget Feb 14 15:59:03 solar electric car/battle robot Feb 14 15:59:07 i need a good hires mpeg4 streaming 'webcam Feb 14 15:59:17 RST38h: http://s58.radikal.ru/i160/0902/b0/6c4591260903.png <- 83+ Feb 14 15:59:30 wonder how fast the n9x0 will encode from camera device Feb 14 15:59:47 wazd: looks good, but I'm not really seeing the SE Feb 14 16:00:04 Hello everybody Feb 14 16:00:10 it's not.... silver... enough Feb 14 16:00:12 hello makak Feb 14 16:01:01 jaem, http://www.albion.edu/math/MBollman/TI83SEOH.jpg :) Feb 14 16:01:32 okay... I've never actually seen that version Feb 14 16:01:44 jaem, it's relatively recent. Feb 14 16:02:01 well, it looks better than the first version, anyhow Feb 14 16:02:13 I always thought the 83+SE was rather ugly Feb 14 16:02:39 pupnik_, with the right optimizations I'm sure it would be plenty fast. Feb 14 16:02:47 pupnik_, I actually wonder about the capabilities of the ISP. Feb 14 16:03:28 qwerty12: why did you build the extras-repository package for x86? Feb 14 16:03:43 mhm. i want hires streaming vid on next tablet Feb 14 16:04:01 I'm into cloning my tablet to my sd card and I'm pretty sure of wath I'm doing but I'm too nervous :p The filsystem is the ext3 partition and the Fat partition is for normal files right ? Feb 14 16:04:30 makak: yes, but you shouldn't have any files on the card while doing this, in any case Feb 14 16:04:42 just back up all your personal files, and if you bork it, you can just reflash Feb 14 16:04:45 but it should be fine Feb 14 16:05:07 wazd: Yesss Feb 14 16:05:22 Meizirkki, it's a all pacakage. Feb 14 16:05:25 RST38h: there's a little bug, wait a bit Feb 14 16:05:27 Yeah, I did backup my files :p thanks Jaem :p Feb 14 16:05:28 s/pacakage/package/ Feb 14 16:05:28 qwerty12 meant: Meizirkki, it's a all package. Feb 14 16:05:29 wazd: if the are too ugly, do not make them bold Feb 14 16:05:34 wazd: no big deal Feb 14 16:05:48 ha ! Don't you think N800/810 are great ebook reading devices ? Feb 14 16:05:53 wazd: replace EXIT with MODE :) Feb 14 16:06:01 qwerty12: ah :P Feb 14 16:06:21 makak: yes, they work quite well, due to the size, and the screen being nice and sharp Feb 14 16:06:35 I haven't tried an eInk reader, but I find the N810 quite satisfactory Feb 14 16:07:38 Yeah, I was quite interrested in e-ink technology since I had this tablet ... it's no use with this I thing ... I mean, we're all screen-eyed geeks :p Feb 14 16:08:17 the N810's screen is good in sunlight, too Feb 14 16:08:25 I was quite impressed when I got mine Feb 14 16:08:51 and does'nt need light for bed reading :p Feb 14 16:09:50 does the Maemo PDF Reader honour DRM restrictions? Feb 14 16:10:11 I know all the ones I use on my other computers just flip DRM the finger and carry on happily Feb 14 16:10:20 It doesn't honour hyperlinks, doubt it's gonna go for anything fancy like DRM. Feb 14 16:10:35 screw it i'm going to reflash Feb 14 16:10:42 Never tried but I don't think so Feb 14 16:10:52 Meizirkki: extras exist for i386 ttoo Feb 14 16:10:56 qwerty12: doesn't support it? Or ignores it? there's a difference Feb 14 16:11:05 Stskeeps: yes i see Feb 14 16:11:05 two pdf readers plus fbreader for chm's, it a pretty good ebook reader Feb 14 16:11:16 * GeneralAntilles has probably read over 100 books on various tablets. Feb 14 16:11:20 Stskeeps: ok, i didn't know it Feb 14 16:12:14 * RST38h whispers "pirate!" =) Feb 14 16:12:34 I think it isn't a conincidence that maemo users are raders too Feb 14 16:12:41 does anyone here travel around in a ship and pillage and burn? Feb 14 16:12:46 nope - didn't think so Feb 14 16:12:49 no pirates around here Feb 14 16:12:53 we're not pirates, we're open source advocates Feb 14 16:13:07 well, piracy is a loaded term (and innacurate) Feb 14 16:13:14 in fact, all torrents i'm seeding are legal Feb 14 16:13:17 if anything, it's "copyright infringement" Feb 14 16:13:40 but luckily, in good old Canada, we haven't yet outlawed DRM circumvention Feb 14 16:13:55 It is pretty easy from my point of view though: Feb 14 16:14:09 RST38h: http://i072.radikal.ru/0902/a7/15e078c27c5a.png <- Fixed Ti 83, http://s54.radikal.ru/i144/0902/c0/9bb8dbecc28c.png <- Fixed 83+ Feb 14 16:14:12 If someone sold me a ebook as a plain text file or plain HTML I would buy it Feb 14 16:14:13 although I realize that the (perfectly legitimate) software I have on my computers would probably get me in a fair bit of trouble in the US Feb 14 16:14:28 like? Feb 14 16:14:43 RST38h, several publishers do. Feb 14 16:14:44 But with the current crap they wrap ebooks into, I either buy a paper copy or download an .fb2 file Feb 14 16:14:54 true Feb 14 16:14:58 wazd: ! Downloading Feb 14 16:15:13 RST38h: have you heard of Zinio? Feb 14 16:15:15 There are tons of free ebooks ... reading ebooks is not pirating Feb 14 16:15:15 Either way, I sold their books for 4 years. :P Feb 14 16:15:44 Baen's collection is particularly nice. Feb 14 16:15:49 jaem: I seem to have heard the word Feb 14 16:16:03 they distribute magazines and such, in their 'revolutionary format", which turns out to be a normal PDF with the extension changed :P Feb 14 16:16:20 Ti84 is pretty sexy :) Feb 14 16:16:28 however, they seem to have better security than the last magazine distributer I dealt with Feb 14 16:16:43 they justy obfuscated deep-links to all their PDFs Feb 14 16:16:53 it wasn't exactly difficult to get access to anything you wanted Feb 14 16:17:03 how about Ti92+ Feb 14 16:17:15 however, I kept my downloading to issues I had a physical copy of, and merely used instead of hauling them around Feb 14 16:17:52 wazd: Got'em. All righty, I think TI83 can be released right away, not yet done with 83+ and the rest Feb 14 16:18:08 is this part of the sprint? Feb 14 16:18:45 jaem: It is much easier with Russian books Feb 14 16:18:55 why? Feb 14 16:18:56 jaem: You either go to lib.ru or to lib.rus.ec Feb 14 16:18:58 RST38h: I wonder why "plus" version of 83 has lower resolution screen :) Feb 14 16:19:03 jaem: Pretty much all of them are there Feb 14 16:19:16 Plus profits! Feb 14 16:19:18 jaem: lib.ru is semiofficial and usually makes books available after 6-9 months Feb 14 16:19:26 wazd: what resolution is the 83? Feb 14 16:19:39 RST38h: that's pretty cool... too bad I can't read Russian Feb 14 16:20:11 wazd: No, they all have the same screen Feb 14 16:20:25 wazd: TI83,83+,84+,and SEs all have 96x64 pixels Feb 14 16:20:31 that's what I thought Feb 14 16:20:41 wazd: TI85/TI86 have got a different LCd controller and 128x64 screens Feb 14 16:20:46 RST38h, can we make it easier to switch calculators than separate .desktops? Feb 14 16:20:50 give it a menu selector or something? Feb 14 16:20:53 General: Yea Feb 14 16:21:04 General: As it is getting crowded anyway Feb 14 16:21:28 RST38h, can we get Maemo-Display-Name, too? Feb 14 16:21:39 General: It should be there afaik Feb 14 16:22:47 RST38h: oh Feb 14 16:22:59 RST38h: then 83 is wrong again, wait :) Feb 14 16:23:00 hello Feb 14 16:23:06 wazd: yes, a little bit =) Feb 14 16:23:06 hi Feb 14 16:23:21 my n810 now says: cx3110x: WARNING SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (get oid 0x13000001) Feb 14 16:23:31 whenever I try to do something with the wlan from the cli Feb 14 16:23:44 the gui thingie does see ap's Feb 14 16:23:59 and it worked before rebooting Feb 14 16:24:07 any idea on how to recover? Feb 14 16:25:14 How can I know if booting on the sd work ? (I reboot but nothing apeared at the launching) Feb 14 16:26:27 RST38h: http://s56.radikal.ru/i154/0902/7c/6f31090ab0d6.png Feb 14 16:26:29 makak, boot form the sd Feb 14 16:26:33 to be sure Feb 14 16:26:43 makak: I ran into that too, unfortunately, that was around the time I became sick, and I remember very little of those two weeks, so I can't help you :P Feb 14 16:26:43 hem .. howto ? Feb 14 16:26:52 makak, wiki has no info? Feb 14 16:26:52 the bootmenu prompt doesn't show up, right? Feb 14 16:26:53 Somebody has to stop wazd. Feb 14 16:27:12 I surely missed something ... Feb 14 16:27:50 jaem : yes Feb 14 16:28:03 http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Feb 14 16:28:11 makak, ? Feb 14 16:28:36 my n810 now says: cx3110x: WARNING SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted (get oid 0x13000001) Feb 14 16:28:38 hwo to fix? Feb 14 16:28:53 I used penguinbait's console-tools v1 Feb 14 16:29:38 So, I have to do this ? Feb 14 16:29:38 Set the default boot device Feb 14 16:29:38 Once the initfs is flashed, you may wish to change to default boot device so the tablet will boot into your preferred partition without intervention. To do this, as root, run: Feb 14 16:29:38 chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2 Feb 14 16:32:40 It works Feb 14 16:33:05 wazd: Thanks! Rotating and adding to the package Feb 14 16:33:24 Okay ... Here is the thing : I had to install bootmenu after rebooting Feb 14 16:33:35 hmhm, is the gps working with Mer? Feb 14 16:50:31 Corsac: not yet Feb 14 16:50:39 ok Feb 14 16:50:47 some closec source pieces Feb 14 16:50:56 s/closec/closed/ Feb 14 16:50:56 Meizirkki meant: some closed source pieces Feb 14 16:50:56 yeah, always the same :) Feb 14 16:52:32 no, just there is no free lunch Feb 14 16:58:39 I got a free lunch from a local cell provider, on a tour from my uni Feb 14 16:58:56 however, in regards to their actual service, they couldn't be further from a free lunch :P Feb 14 17:00:24 Mer is including the FOSS wifi driver, right? Feb 14 17:00:59 If you build a kernel that works nice with it and mer Feb 14 17:01:26 is that a "yes, if you do it yourself" or a "yes, if we can get it to work in time"? Feb 14 17:03:24 "yes, if you do it yourself" Feb 14 17:04:03 I guess what I'm primarily wondering is if Mer's connectivity software in general will support WPA2 with TTLS/PAP, as I'm one of the many whose uni uses it Feb 14 17:04:09 anyone know if it is possible to use mmc during an install? Tried several ways but get errors. Only way left I can think of is to shift files via a script when the app is first run. Feb 14 17:04:36 matmo: use it for what? Feb 14 17:05:33 jaem, probably will do as it's currently using networkmanager (which uses wpasupplicant) but I know Stskeeps (and me for that matter) would like Nokia to open source icd2 (the internet connectivity daemon in maemo) Feb 14 17:05:34 to store data files (as part of a deb install) Feb 14 17:06:42 qwerty12: I hope so. That was one of my few complaints with Maemo - especially given the lack of SOCKS proxy support in most apps Feb 14 17:06:50 I normally just tunnel everything to my desktop Feb 14 17:07:49 matmo: AFAIK, you could move files from a directory in /usr/share, and symlink them (correct me if I'm wrong), but unless the package is set up to do that automatically, you'd have to do it manually Feb 14 17:08:26 matmo, unless the size of these files are really large, it's a lot more stress free to move them in the postinst Feb 14 17:09:07 "To hear that CEOs will have no incentive to work for a mere $400,000/year seems ludicrous when one realizes that an awful lot of people with important jobs, from doctors to airline pilots, do their work very conscientiously for less than that." Feb 14 17:09:09 Hehehe Feb 14 17:09:12 * qwerty12 has done it in the preinst by stealing ideas from other packages but it caused me a headache and a couple of trips to the autobuilder Feb 14 17:09:53 RST38h, CEO's are shown to be greedy bastards. What's new? :) Feb 14 17:10:18 they are large and I have tried mv via postinst but get error (status 2). In the postinst I only do a cd and mv Feb 14 17:11:06 qwerty: They got screwed in the last Obama's bill Feb 14 17:11:19 qwerty12: which package actually does this? Feb 14 17:11:48 matmo, there's a few in extras, I can't remember off the top of my head but it's usually the games Feb 14 17:12:06 the RTS game (can't think of the name) does so, I believe Feb 14 17:14:02 ...there's something wrong when a company that has a "GPL'd" program makes it so hard to find the source that you have to use Google to search their forums, to find a post with a URL that the poster said didn't work for them Feb 14 17:15:31 oh - even better. The site that hosts the SVN repo for wifi security software has an invalid SSL cert Feb 14 17:16:40 jaem: haha Feb 14 17:18:26 jaem: Bos Wars? Feb 14 17:18:32 that'd be it Feb 14 17:23:00 did anyone ever actually agree on what was making the N810 GPS so slow? I never actually found anything definitive. Feb 14 17:23:35 The chip is crap and specially designed to be used in conjunction with A-GPS Feb 14 17:23:54 darn Feb 14 17:25:00 if you use AGPS say, when you leave your house, and you turn off the GPS when you get where you're going, will it pick it up faster as long as you're still in the vicinity, or do you need a net connection every time you try to get a fix? Feb 14 17:25:35 AFAIK (not owning an N810), it caches the last known position of satellites until you reboot it Feb 14 17:25:46 more or less Feb 14 17:28:27 * qwerty12 edits /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh to run swapoff manually, because evidently ke-recv can't be trusted to do the task automatically >.< Feb 14 17:36:09 jaem: thanks, looks like that's the one and ITT post suggests probs with N800 and SD based OS, which is my situation Feb 14 17:37:35 * timeless wonders if sts got sound working for vmware :) Feb 14 17:38:47 * thopiekar is thinking about timeless made a joke or not.. Feb 14 17:39:11 timeless, I want open-vm-tools working :P. It doesn't seem too trivial to fix, I may fix myself and upload a fixed version to mer repo Feb 14 17:39:18 * timeless is generally fairly straight forward Feb 14 17:39:26 (maybe a few rare typos) Feb 14 17:40:16 btw, any idea why apt keeps looking for 'Translation-en_US'? Feb 14 17:46:47 * thopiekar is now away.. Feb 14 17:54:28 GeneralAntilles: merry christmas :) http://i059.radikal.ru/0902/fd/f674352a7207.jpg Feb 14 17:54:47 EURGH! :P Feb 14 17:55:04 wtf? Feb 14 17:56:05 omg, I can't stop laughing) Feb 14 17:57:21 I think I should send it to engadget or something) Feb 14 17:57:29 what exactly is that? Feb 14 17:57:35 wazd, btw, could I ask you to do a tux (the linux mascot) smoking weed? I need a avatar :P Feb 14 17:57:56 Corsac: well, it's Ti84+ Hello Kitty edition :)_ Feb 14 17:58:05 Corsac: I thought it's pretty obvious ( Feb 14 17:58:20 qwerty12: :) Feb 14 17:58:21 yeah but I don't really know what's ti84+ Feb 14 17:58:32 wazd, does rst's emulator allow hotzones to be defined Feb 14 17:58:33 * timeless sighs Feb 14 17:58:50 libgalago-common (from osso) conflicts w/ libgalago3 (from ubuntu) Feb 14 17:58:51 * lcuk really likes all these calculators Feb 14 17:58:52 lcuk: I think so) Feb 14 17:59:07 wazd, obviously its internal cos he can bind to whatever you throw at him Feb 14 17:59:18 :) cool colaboration Feb 14 17:59:22 Corsac: well, basicaly it's the skin for Texas Instruments calculator emulators Feb 14 18:00:11 Corsac: normally it looks like this : http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/0902/6a/de8096f6dcac.png Feb 14 18:00:12 wazd, what about a simple functional landscape actual calculator - using a subset of the functions from the ti Feb 14 18:00:14 kitty vader: http://craphound.com/images/hellovaderthumb.jpg Feb 14 18:00:17 ie same screen and some of the keys Feb 14 18:00:35 mhm ok Feb 14 18:00:35 lcuk: I think I'm not the one to ask :) Feb 14 18:00:41 never tried that kind of emulator Feb 14 18:00:53 if you draw something, someone will tie it together :) Feb 14 18:01:13 you have a good eye, while you are on a roll so to speak Feb 14 18:01:15 lcuk: well, current ati85 loading is pretty snappy Feb 14 18:01:29 lcuk: maybe just use it :) Feb 14 18:01:44 i leave it on its stand Feb 14 18:01:56 i never pick it up so these rotated ones arent much use Feb 14 18:02:17 * timeless cries Feb 14 18:02:32 heh Feb 14 18:02:35 maemo-chavo-runtime and rtcom-beta-os2008 need libgalago-common Feb 14 18:03:33 wtf? Feb 14 18:03:36 timeless, it sounds like libgalago3 has what libgalago-common needs so use dpkg-deb on maemo-chavo-runtime & rtcom-beta-os2008 to change the dependencies Feb 14 18:03:54 libgalago-common is translations for pt-br, de, fr, and da Feb 14 18:04:18 Remove the dependency then? I certainly know I don't speak any of those languages :) Feb 14 18:04:22 wazd: (a little late) that's terrible and awesome at the same time Feb 14 18:04:34 i personally don't care about any of those languages Feb 14 18:04:40 although i could probably survive Feb 14 18:05:39 is there some way to use 'alternatives' to make this happy? Feb 14 18:06:43 so i'm setting up ubuntu in virtual box to install the maemo sdk, and i accidentally remove gnome-applet and gnome-panel Feb 14 18:06:46 * qwerty12 would just edit the deb directly, probably change libgalago-common to libgalago-common | libgalago3 Feb 14 18:07:03 you, being efficient about cleaning up unused packages Feb 14 18:07:25 then i have no menus, not even to launch a term Feb 14 18:07:30 qwerty: if i change /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgalago-common.* would that make my problem go away? Feb 14 18:07:35 dphil: alt+f2 Feb 14 18:07:40 ah Feb 14 18:07:45 plus, you can add panels Feb 14 18:07:46 * timeless doesn't like repackaging other people's debs :) Feb 14 18:08:09 in a term, i'd use apt to reinstall Feb 14 18:08:15 dphil314: oh, i'm playing pokemon w/ Mer Feb 14 18:08:19 "gotta collect them all" Feb 14 18:08:31 i have nearly a full collection of diablo applets :) Feb 14 18:08:32 i'd be happy with just one Feb 14 18:08:37 timeless, you'd probably want to edit the /var/lib/dpkg/info/status file and change the libgalago entry to say it provides libgalago-common Feb 14 18:08:49 Or you could just make a dummy libgalago-common package Feb 14 18:09:02 hrm Feb 14 18:09:12 yeah, i like dummy pacakges Feb 14 18:09:15 lemme do that Feb 14 18:09:18 * timeless has a collection of them Feb 14 18:09:28 quite a collector Feb 14 18:12:01 dphil314: it makes it much easier to test things Feb 14 18:13:25 i wonder what the nokia people think of mer Feb 14 18:13:51 a good thing? a threat to their binary ways? Feb 14 18:14:01 They're supporting it. Feb 14 18:14:03 dphil314, http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/3263196028/ Feb 14 18:14:50 wazd, you're a sick human being. Feb 14 18:15:05 oh yeah i saw quim's comments on nokia people using beagle boards for an internal project Feb 14 18:15:27 wazd, do you think you could do a light overlay on the faceplate around the keypad? Feb 14 18:16:22 dphil314, "these Nokia people" probably isn't a useful way to think about it. ;) Feb 14 18:16:37 they is us? Feb 14 18:17:06 dphil314, Nokia isn't a hivemind. Feb 14 18:17:38 * dphil314 thinks of hive queen from Ender's Game Feb 14 18:33:08 * timeless shrugs Feb 14 18:33:13 * timeless is a nokian and runs Mer Feb 14 18:33:16 (albeit, in vmware) Feb 14 18:33:46 timeless is a bad nokian. :P Feb 14 18:34:18 * timeless grumbles Feb 14 18:34:28 * timeless kicks xkbdata/xkb-data Feb 14 18:34:55 well, nokia seems more willing to work with open platforms than some other manufacturers Feb 14 18:35:23 not to mention the cell carriers Feb 14 18:37:18 GeneralAntilles: what overlay do you mean? Feb 14 18:38:08 looks cute on white background btw :) http://i040.radikal.ru/0902/1a/bf244774635a.jpg Feb 14 18:39:52 wazd: urgh Feb 14 18:40:17 * dphil314 wonders if there's a hello kitty theme on kde-look.org Feb 14 18:40:19 * thopiekar is back.. Feb 14 18:40:35 RST38h: xD Feb 14 18:40:50 wazd, stick a little semi-transparent hello kitty decal on the faceplate around the keypad. Feb 14 18:41:20 Bad news though: looks like TI83+SE and later models do not use ROMs Feb 14 18:41:37 RST38h: aw( Feb 14 18:41:37 They seem to use flash updatable piece-at-a-time Feb 14 18:41:48 then where did i get the rom for ti-92+ ? Feb 14 18:41:55 No idea what to do about it yet Feb 14 18:42:03 the TI-92+ is older than those ones, IIRC Feb 14 18:42:07 ^ Feb 14 18:42:08 ok Feb 14 18:42:09 dphil: ti92 and ti89 are different architecture Feb 14 18:42:23 there is a total of 3 ti calc archs that I know of Feb 14 18:42:27 so what's the latest? Feb 14 18:42:42 they were developed in parallel Feb 14 18:42:46 In the QWERTY line, Voyage 200. Feb 14 18:42:49 best for calculus & graphing functions Feb 14 18:42:52 RST38h: http://education.ti.com/educationportal/sites/US/productDetail/us_os_84plus.html <- is that wrong thing? Feb 14 18:43:01 wazd: Check out the file size Feb 14 18:43:05 um, can someone help me? :) Feb 14 18:43:07 wazd: Weird, isn't it? Feb 14 18:43:20 apt-get upgrade keeps offering me the same upgrades :) Feb 14 18:43:51 RST38h: well, it's 693Kb :) Feb 14 18:44:01 RST38h: I don't know what normal rom size :) Feb 14 18:44:34 RST38h: where did you hear that the OS was done differently? Feb 14 18:44:51 the 83+SE, AFAIK, works with the 83+ firmware Feb 14 18:45:09 or at least, very similar FW Feb 14 18:45:12 jaem: hardware is a bit different though Feb 14 18:45:16 so not the same fw Feb 14 18:45:27 wazd: it is, of course, a poweer of 2, not 693 :) Feb 14 18:46:19 My crystal balls show 1MB for 84+ Feb 14 18:46:30 RST38h: the TI website says that the download is the same for the 83+ and SE Feb 14 18:47:32 jaem: dunno, I base my work on http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=WikiTI_Home Feb 14 18:48:20 hmm... Dan Englender and them know their stuff, but I can't really argue with a single firmware download tagged for both editions Feb 14 18:53:08 lo b-man Feb 14 18:53:27 hello Stskeeps :) Feb 14 18:57:45 wheyyy... Stskeeps is back in da house^^ Feb 14 18:58:37 * b-man checks status in mer-committers Feb 14 18:58:40 Somebody needs to kick his ass out again. Feb 14 19:00:17 lol Feb 14 19:01:22 b-man, can you switch URL to 0.8 ? Feb 14 19:01:36 shure Feb 14 19:11:10 * b-man posts an update on #mer in jaiku for merinstaller Feb 14 19:31:52 ok, what the heck Feb 14 19:32:00 apt-cache policy sudo Feb 14 19:32:07 sudo: Feb 14 19:32:15 Installed: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 Feb 14 19:32:21 Candidate: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 Feb 14 19:32:23 Version table: Feb 14 19:32:39 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 0 Feb 14 19:32:47 500 http://private private Packages Feb 14 19:32:49 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 0 Feb 14 19:33:00 801 http://repository.mer.tspre.org alpha/main Packages Feb 14 19:33:07 *** 1:1.6.8p12-4osso8 0 Feb 14 19:33:13 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Feb 14 19:33:20 ~pastebin Feb 14 19:33:21 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Feb 14 19:33:28 1.6.9p17-1ubuntu2 0 Feb 14 19:33:44 800 http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages Feb 14 19:33:56 -- why does apt-get upgrade want to upgrade sudo? Feb 14 19:33:59 Stskeeps: btw, maybe you can do that background for Mer channel? Feb 14 19:35:15 the same sort of nonsense is offered for screenshot-tool Feb 14 19:40:06 that sort of thing happens in systems like gentoo when programs compile from source, for example when a use flag changes. if you're installing binaries, no idea. Feb 14 19:40:31 some problem in the dependency tree Feb 14 20:13:41 kde 4.2 is finally installable for diablo :) Feb 14 20:13:59 i hope it's using Qt 4.5 Feb 14 20:14:39 Qt 4.5 should be a lot faster than older versions Feb 14 20:56:40 tying to upgrade to python2.5 having trouble can someone help Feb 14 20:59:04 anybody home Feb 14 21:03:57 *kicking Stskeeps* Feb 14 21:04:18 anybody home Feb 14 21:05:14 I dont't need python Feb 14 21:05:27 but more beer! Feb 14 21:05:32 i need python can someone help Feb 14 21:05:35 i dont need beer Feb 14 21:05:50 radic|alc, ? Feb 14 21:05:58 kevin_405: why you dosn't need beer? Feb 14 21:06:06 sts: did you have a safe train ride? Feb 14 21:06:10 StsN800: yahh? Feb 14 21:06:19 trying to cut on beer belly Feb 14 21:06:30 2 hrs spent on trying to get python i am losing ti Feb 14 21:07:04 kevin_405: you like ouzo? Feb 14 21:07:39 what is ouzo Feb 14 21:08:00 timeless, yes fine - back in apartment and brother visiting. pacifying him with Eureka episodes.. Feb 14 21:08:06 kevin_405: it's like Raki Feb 14 21:08:14 neer Feb 14 21:08:16 never Feb 14 21:08:41 hrm, i think i have one of those in my dvr Feb 14 21:08:49 unless tghey stopped broadcasting, in which case i have noise Feb 14 21:09:13 kevin_405: where are you from? Feb 14 21:09:33 sts: did you install 0.1.2 pre? :) Feb 14 21:09:43 No hablo ingles Feb 14 21:10:01 Can someone help with python Feb 14 21:11:46 timeless, no sorry, haven't even touched laptop yet and tablet working is a basic requirement for my sanity Feb 14 21:12:14 heh Feb 14 21:16:06 /j #hamradio Feb 14 21:16:10 hmm...let's try that again Feb 14 21:26:57 Hehe, I have found how ot make app quit when [2nd][Off] is pressed Feb 14 21:37:18 RST38h: disregard my comments regarding the ROMs earlier... I wasn't really awake, and made a thinko Feb 14 21:56:52 RST38h: scary fact - ati85 works under mer Feb 14 22:01:35 Sts: Why not? Feb 14 22:01:42 It is friendly. Feb 14 22:08:04 seemingly Feb 14 22:15:05 I've been looking for my next computing project. I've decided on Mer. Just so I understand, when I install it, it won't be on the internal flash - or can it be? Feb 14 22:20:03 not unless you want to be unable to use apt.. Feb 14 22:22:37 why is that? insufficient space? Feb 14 22:23:49 mmap patch for apt needee Feb 14 22:24:05 how much space does it require? I have both east and west US maps downloaded on my n810 Feb 14 22:24:36 use another card.. Feb 14 22:24:56 I can do that..or just remove the east maps Feb 14 22:25:12 how much space does it take? Feb 14 22:25:46 it needs to repartition the card so its better to use an external card Feb 14 22:26:20 repartitioning means everything on the card being erased Feb 14 22:27:54 that isn't an issue, everything on the card is backed up via cron script every day Feb 14 22:32:48 mm Feb 14 22:43:10 offtopic: verizon's the only cell provider in my area and I'm thinking about getting a cell phone. Any recommendations? Feb 14 22:48:57 i recommend verizon since that is your only choice :) Feb 14 22:49:06 for a phone :P Feb 14 22:49:47 Well, it's Verizon, so "one that doesn't suck" is out the window. Feb 14 22:51:07 LOL...that's what I'm finding Feb 14 22:51:37 verizon uses sim cards in phones? Feb 14 22:51:42 no, cdma Feb 14 22:52:03 otherwise I'd just buy one unlocked off newegg Feb 14 22:53:10 the omnia wouldn't be bad, but it's WinMo :/ Feb 14 22:55:26 Ugh WinMob Feb 14 22:55:50 Though, marginally less crippled than other vz phones. Feb 14 22:57:34 screw it...I'll save myself the monthly fee and keep using dialcentral/gizmo on my tablet Feb 14 23:23:44 just got an ice genie for my k45 Feb 14 23:23:51 this is really turning into a sickness haha Feb 14 23:25:11 so far i've dropped like $350 on a barebones box that is $99 Feb 15 00:04:08 <_user> anybody gotten google gears to work on the maemo yet? Feb 15 00:05:06 <_user> Is anyone alive, even? Feb 15 00:05:55 in order: no and yes Feb 15 00:06:12 <_user> Meh. Feb 15 00:08:05 * b-man has google gears installed im microb Feb 15 00:08:13 *in Feb 15 00:09:15 allthough i can't remember ware i obtained it :P Feb 15 00:14:27 <_user> So there's no progress on gears on Maemo? Feb 15 00:19:44 <_user> Gah. Feb 15 00:20:49 <_user> I was under the (false) impression that it worked out of the box on the n810 Feb 15 00:25:32 <_user> I see that this gears issue has been around for about 2 years Feb 15 00:25:38 <_user> crazy Feb 15 00:31:30 Meiz_n810: Diablo is N810? Feb 15 00:43:16 luke-jr: yes Feb 15 00:43:41 luke-jr: but you can install diablo also in the n800 Feb 15 00:46:08 how do I remove the bootmenu installed after trying mer? Feb 15 00:50:12 <_user> If I installed Android on my n810, will it then have google gears? Feb 15 00:52:48 * timeless looks around for testers Feb 15 00:53:13 _user: 'it' is ambiguous Feb 15 00:53:53 there's actually a gears for microb floating around /somewhere/ Feb 15 00:54:12 however i'm not sure you'll find gears to be as helpful as you like Feb 15 00:54:26 i suppose it depends on your personal needs Feb 15 00:54:43 my gears offline enabled gmail box is using 300mb of ram Feb 15 00:54:45 would it replace a stand-alone spreadsheet and word processor? Feb 15 00:56:26 hm Feb 15 00:56:32 in 2010 they are releasing a new dune movie Feb 15 00:56:52 i hope it isn't like the 1984 abortion of the book Feb 15 01:03:15 Which setting do I use in Maemo Mapper to use the internal GPS? Feb 15 01:03:34 (Choices: Bluetooth, File Path, GPSD Host) Feb 15 01:06:26 GPSD should work Feb 15 01:06:39 or you could provide the device node (/dev/pgps, I believe) Feb 15 01:06:44 I'm not sure which is better Feb 15 01:08:19 maybe it's just getting confused b/c I'm inside. Feb 15 01:08:28 that would do it Feb 15 01:13:51 Is there a community-maintained database of free WiFi access points, so I could find some and add ones I find? Feb 15 01:27:07 * robink lost the URL for the usbserial.ko and pl2303.ko modules for 2.6.21-omap* Feb 15 01:41:57 n/m, found it Feb 15 01:44:39 I'm thinking of reflashing my N810 so I get my modules.dep back. Feb 15 01:44:45 Anyone have a more elegant solution? Feb 15 01:45:04 Or even a cruder one that doesn't require reflashing the N810 Feb 15 01:45:09 s/$/\?/ Feb 15 01:45:19 I believe there's an option to only flash kernel, wouldn't that fix it? Feb 15 01:45:33 Does flashing the kernel include the kernel modules? Feb 15 01:45:44 bef0rd: IIRC just flashing the kernel doesn't fix the problem. Feb 15 01:45:50 ~flashing Feb 15 01:45:51 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 15 01:47:19 bef0rd: That talks about how to do a complete reflashing. Feb 15 01:47:46 heh, I know, I just wanted to see if it included the parameters to flasher Feb 15 01:48:03 I don't have it atm Feb 15 01:48:12 bef0rd: The parameter is --flash-only=kernel. Feb 15 01:48:16 If I send you that file, would it work? Feb 15 01:48:21 What file? Feb 15 01:48:27 modules.dep Feb 15 01:48:35 bef0rd: Oh, yeah, it should work. Feb 15 01:48:44 bef0rd: ...provided you're also on the latest firmware. Feb 15 01:48:48 ok, let me find my charger Feb 15 01:48:51 mm I think so Feb 15 01:48:53 bef0rd: Thanks :-) Feb 15 01:52:40 5.2008.43-7 Feb 15 01:52:46 robink, 5.2008.43-7 Feb 15 01:53:21 bef0rd: Wow Feb 15 01:53:33 bef0rd: I think I have that version (pushed via SSU), but I never flashed with it. Feb 15 01:53:44 bef0rd: Let's give it a try. Feb 15 01:58:00 robink, where is that file? heh Feb 15 02:00:21 bef0rd: /lib/modules/current Feb 15 02:01:34 robink, I don't have modules on /lib Feb 15 02:01:39 bef0rd: ! Feb 15 02:01:50 bef0rd: /mnt/initfs/lib/modules? Feb 15 02:03:21 uhm current points to 2.6.21-omap1 Feb 15 02:03:28 bef0rd: Yes Feb 15 02:03:32 bef0rd: Either directory is fine. Feb 15 02:03:39 but there's no modules.dep there :s Feb 15 02:04:04 just .ko files Feb 15 02:05:33 bef0rd: That's odd. Feb 15 02:05:38 bef0rd: Maybe you don't have a modules.dep either. Feb 15 02:05:45 bef0rd: do an lsmod, see if ipv6 is loaded. Feb 15 02:05:57 bef0rd: If it's not, you don't have a modules.dep. Feb 15 02:05:59 it's not loaded Feb 15 02:06:02 wtf Feb 15 02:06:09 Nokia's no longer shipping a modules.dep with their kernels. Feb 15 02:06:19 that...sucks Feb 15 02:06:37 bef0rd: Did you get the latest firmware over SSU or by flashing? Feb 15 02:06:42 maybe you can extract it from older firmware files? Feb 15 02:06:56 bef0rd: Not sure if it'd work, but I suppose it's an option. Feb 15 02:07:00 I flashed it, and then applied an ssu updated Feb 15 02:07:41 Ah Feb 15 02:07:46 The SSU updates kill modules.dep. Feb 15 02:08:30 update* yea Feb 15 02:09:17 There's an SSU update for DIABLO_5.2008.43-7? Feb 15 02:09:25 I assumed it had the latest initfs and kernel. Feb 15 02:10:25 well if the modules.dep is on initfs, can't you just flash initfs? Feb 15 02:10:40 I think there is an option for that Feb 15 02:26:57 bef0rd: Hm, that might work. Feb 15 02:27:07 bef0rd: I could try it, but I don't want to totally break my N810. Feb 15 02:27:45 gnuton: link? Feb 15 02:46:28 robink, I don't think that'll happen, if it doesn't boot, well a full flash will fix it :P so just make a back up of your stuff first Feb 15 02:46:47 hi Feb 15 02:46:55 anybody here Feb 15 02:49:39 hola Feb 15 02:50:00 beford looking for help installing python on n800 Feb 15 02:50:17 kevin_405, diablo? Feb 15 02:50:21 yes Feb 15 02:50:28 is there a later one.. Feb 15 02:50:41 nop Feb 15 02:50:55 how to get python the apt-get failes on me Feb 15 02:51:32 unable to lock admin directory /var/lib/dbpkg it says Feb 15 02:51:39 apt-get install python2.5 Feb 15 02:51:42 You need to do it as root Feb 15 02:52:03 i did sudo gainroot Feb 15 02:52:13 you need to close the app manager first Feb 15 02:52:32 i have closed it but some deamon may be running Feb 15 02:52:35 how to make sure Feb 15 02:52:48 can you install other applications? Feb 15 02:53:05 never tried apt-get before Feb 15 02:53:11 i always use the app manager.. Feb 15 02:53:17 on this device.. Feb 15 02:53:28 Do u know the name of the deamon may be i can kill it Feb 15 02:53:41 kevin_405, wait, your device is on RD mode? Feb 15 02:53:49 if it's not, sudo gainroot does nothing Feb 15 02:53:56 yes Feb 15 02:54:42 could you show me the whole output of apt-get install python2.5-runtime Feb 15 02:55:15 apt-get update also fails Feb 15 02:55:23 type 'id' Feb 15 02:55:40 13 permission denied Feb 15 02:56:06 could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/list/lock - open Feb 15 02:56:13 output of "id", no quotes Feb 15 02:56:35 What is id i dont understand Feb 15 02:56:42 type id on the term Feb 15 02:56:44 x-term Feb 15 02:57:02 terminal Feb 15 02:57:20 uid 29999 gid 29999 Feb 15 02:57:29 You are not root yet Feb 15 02:57:37 that's why apt-get fails Feb 15 02:57:40 is there a password for root Feb 15 02:57:45 No, the easier method to get root is Feb 15 02:57:48 ~rootsh Feb 15 02:57:49 extra, extra, read all about it, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/ Feb 15 02:58:02 i have xterm Feb 15 02:58:28 follow this guide http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Feb 15 02:58:31 install rootsh Feb 15 02:58:38 then try: Feb 15 02:58:41 $ root Feb 15 02:58:50 # apt-get install python2.5-runtime Feb 15 02:59:50 ok Feb 15 02:59:57 (you don't need to type the $ or # symbols, those appear on the prompt already) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 15 02:59:58 2009