**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 17 02:59:58 2009 Feb 17 03:37:39 anybody have debian install Feb 17 03:52:47 Grrr. I have to re-flash my device after all. I can't get it to boot. :( Feb 17 03:57:01 * b-man watches some gory htf episodes on youtube Feb 17 04:02:47 Um, the flashing instructions mention "turned on while holding down the Home button". What's the Home button? Feb 17 04:03:33 on the n810 it's the swap button with the two boxes Feb 17 04:03:35 left of the screen Feb 17 04:04:43 gotcha, ty Feb 17 04:52:49 hi Feb 17 04:52:57 * slonopotamus did something cool Feb 17 04:53:25 i build wifi driver and it seems to be working Feb 17 04:53:40 s/build/built/ Feb 17 04:53:41 slonopotamus meant: i built wifi driver and it seems to be working Feb 17 04:53:57 cx3110x: chip variant STLC4550 Feb 17 04:54:51 this blows my mind. what is 'cx3110x' if chip is named 'stlc4550'? Feb 17 05:24:57 I'm trying to format the internal card device as outlined on https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card, but I keep getting "umount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy" Feb 17 05:28:06 turn off any programs accessing files on the card Feb 17 05:28:23 penguinbait still come around here? Feb 17 05:34:05 found it - had a swap partition there that was active. Feb 17 05:37:53 arrrg, need to know vi Feb 17 06:19:24 um, after flashing, how do I get the maps files back? Feb 17 06:46:38 How do I make the little "abc" line go away (the one that shows the current shift/Fn status)? Feb 17 06:48:34 controlpanel > inputmethods > languages > settings and uncheck all boxes Feb 17 06:50:42 ah, ty Feb 17 06:54:09 Is it possible to customize the applications menu, ie to add folders other than "Internet, Communications, etc."? Feb 17 06:58:06 yacks, maemo competes w/ android o.O Feb 17 06:58:57 guess android can't have all the users Feb 17 07:02:04 hm? Feb 17 07:08:16 tonyyarusso: controlpanel > panels > customuze pp menu Feb 17 07:08:47 ah Feb 17 07:08:57 * Stskeeps yawns Feb 17 07:09:21 yawning time o/ Feb 17 07:09:29 indeed Feb 17 07:09:42 nothing like waking with a bad pain in the back too Feb 17 07:11:28 ibuffy: so, what makes you say it competes? Feb 17 07:18:15 Stskeeps: they are both mobile OSs Feb 17 07:20:29 how long will it be before maemo is completely using qt Feb 17 07:20:32 hopefully soon Feb 17 07:20:43 no clue, not next OS release Feb 17 07:21:07 and why make it completely qt when they can live together? the good thing about maemo is that you are not locked in to a specific toolkit Feb 17 07:21:28 so why convert something to qt that is not broke? :P Feb 17 07:21:50 hmm, point taken Feb 17 07:23:08 so if you're a freak and want motif on your tablet, you can :) Feb 17 07:24:12 mmm... motif Feb 17 07:24:18 compared to let's say android, which is yet-another-ui-framework Feb 17 07:24:43 and ties you to java and their vm? Feb 17 07:25:53 that too Feb 17 07:26:25 admittedly they might do something right with api but doesn't help the fact i can't take my android phone in 2 years and use it for some other purpose Feb 17 07:26:32 which i can with a tablet Feb 17 07:27:44 mpf, sometimes mer doesn't see my wifi network Feb 17 07:27:46 not sure why Feb 17 07:27:57 (and I can't reset the connection, I guess) Feb 17 07:28:04 as I can't right clic on the nm icon Feb 17 07:28:25 Corsac: yeah, it is because cx3110x doesn't like constant scanning :/ Feb 17 07:28:35 i have to patch NetworkManager for it Feb 17 07:29:01 it would be better if there was tap and hold on that icon, heh Feb 17 07:29:09 we really need a newer kernel (but someone on #emdebian said that powermanagement wasn't really available on more recent kernels :/ ) Feb 17 07:29:20 Stskeeps: tap & hold requires something special? Feb 17 07:29:26 (patched gtk or stuff like that?) Feb 17 07:29:35 or just some tuning in evdev? Feb 17 07:29:47 mm, gtk level, we have patched gtk Feb 17 07:30:02 nm-applet is just "a normal gtk app" so Feb 17 07:30:25 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495487 Feb 17 07:30:33 some people are interested too ;p Feb 17 07:30:57 Stskeeps: what do you mean "yet-another-ui-framework"? Feb 17 07:31:43 ibuffy: it is what it is, it is just another ui framework deep down, incompatible with the rest Feb 17 07:32:09 swt, swing, awt, windows forms, whatever symbian uses, gtk, qt, etc.. Feb 17 07:32:30 and android doesn't allow space for other players on the platform Feb 17 07:32:44 Stskeeps: can I disable the virtual keyboard on mer? and can I activate the “Fn” key for the hw keyboard o n810? KOr is that not yet supported and I should code it if I want it? :) Feb 17 07:32:58 Stskeeps, hi. i still don't understand what is 'cx3110x'. insmod cx3110x.ko, dmesg: cx3110x: chip variant STLC4550. Feb 17 07:33:22 slonopotamus: the wlan chip Feb 17 07:33:39 Corsac, then what's 'stlc4550'? Feb 17 07:33:55 the chip variant? Feb 17 07:33:56 slonopotamus: cx3110x is a connex or something Feb 17 07:34:19 Corsac: setxkbmap -model nokiarx44 -layout something, something is described in Known issues Feb 17 07:34:21 Corsac, how that differs? Feb 17 07:34:31 Stskeeps, connex - ? Feb 17 07:34:33 slonopotamus: higher level product, lower level variant? Feb 17 07:34:53 so high level product is the CX3110X chip, and the variant of it is the STLC4550 :P Feb 17 07:35:01 crap. Feb 17 07:35:15 slonopotamus: will check Feb 17 07:35:18 then we don't have 'cx3110x' chip. Feb 17 07:35:19 it makes more sense in the modern driver. Feb 17 07:35:19 damn Feb 17 07:35:21 Stskeeps: will check Feb 17 07:35:26 we have 'stlc4550' chip. Feb 17 07:35:31 Is it possible to install additional languages / locales? Feb 17 07:35:39 (specifically, English/Canada) Feb 17 07:35:42 to what? Feb 17 07:35:53 Corsac: and yes, you can disable it too Feb 17 07:35:55 For the system overall, that is. Feb 17 07:36:10 Maemo? there should be support Feb 17 07:36:10 this drives me crazy Feb 17 07:36:31 at least i built a driver and it even happily insmoded. Feb 17 07:36:34 slonopotamus: cx3110x driver supports two different chip types Feb 17 07:36:42 and the driver works for stlc4550 and one other Feb 17 07:36:49 it also worked for the 770 on their kernel Feb 17 07:37:57 * slonopotamus thinks if he should publish stage with xorg or not Feb 17 07:38:28 oh. you'd say "whether i should publish", right? Feb 17 07:38:39 both works i guess Feb 17 07:39:02 ok lets reboot Feb 17 07:41:29 thanks Stskeeps Feb 17 07:41:56 Stskeeps: do you think using the tslib patch for tap&hold would make sense? Feb 17 07:42:10 or will this definitely require a patch for gtk? Feb 17 07:42:31 i want to use tslib patch. Feb 17 07:42:47 I should setup a scratchbox somewhere and rebuild that to test it Feb 17 07:42:59 Corsac, you're talking about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495487 right? Feb 17 07:43:01 Corsac: i don't entirely agree with the level Feb 17 07:43:14 and i am afraid it might break some things horribly in libhildon :P Feb 17 07:43:16 slonopotamus: yes Feb 17 07:43:20 Stskeeps: oh? Feb 17 07:43:39 as it moves tap and hold detection to a different level Feb 17 07:43:58 hhm Feb 17 07:44:10 in maemo the tap&hold is at gtk level? Feb 17 07:44:35 yeah Feb 17 07:44:48 and the used patch is not usable in Mer? Feb 17 07:45:00 too recent gtk? Feb 17 07:45:01 it is probably usable but we run our own branch of tslib xorg driver Feb 17 07:45:21 also, let us say you are drawing in xournal.. you are going to cause tap and hold way too much Feb 17 07:46:05 if you dont move the stylus, yes Feb 17 07:46:36 but aiui the “right clic” event is only emitted if you hold the stylus for .5s at least, in the same area Feb 17 07:48:07 also, having an animation appear for tap and hold in progress is useful :P Feb 17 07:48:53 yeah Feb 17 07:49:18 but having tap&hold without animation is better than no tap&hold at all, I guess Feb 17 07:49:19 Stskeeps, animation is only required if timeout is too long :) Feb 17 07:49:25 but yeah it's two different roads Feb 17 07:49:32 slonopotamus: you have to have a quite long timeout Feb 17 07:49:42 if you don't want the right clic to be activated Feb 17 07:49:50 +too much Feb 17 07:51:46 Corsac, yes, but that doesn't make my statement false :) Feb 17 07:54:19 that just means animation is required :) Feb 17 07:56:20 i wonder who'll patch qt, wxwidgets, etc. Feb 17 07:56:47 that's why it shouldn't be implemented in qt, gtk or whatever Feb 17 07:56:51 but at a single point Feb 17 07:57:48 hmhm is the notification area a real system tray? Feb 17 08:03:02 yeah Feb 17 08:05:04 Ok, I may be asking some stupid questions here, so please forgive me. Feb 17 08:05:19 There is an application I was trying to compile which is GNOME based and needs some GTK libraries. Feb 17 08:05:23 Is this possible in Maemo? Feb 17 08:05:38 well, we have GTK, which libraries in question? Feb 17 08:06:17 Let me double check again. Feb 17 08:06:43 be aware that some of the libraries might be horribly outdated in diablo, but it shouldn't be that bad.. Feb 17 08:07:18 Shoot, it needs libgnomeui it looks like - no good? Feb 17 08:07:34 sec Feb 17 08:07:50 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.8.0 libgnomeui-2.0 gtksourceview-2.0 gtkspell-2.0 Feb 17 08:08:02 and libgtkhtml Feb 17 08:09:19 yeah, that might be difficult :/ what do you need it for, if i may ask? Feb 17 08:09:39 I was interested in porting the Inform 7 platform Feb 17 08:09:51 There's a command line based one, but for some reason tehre's no source, which is weird. Feb 17 08:10:16 http://www.inform-fiction.org/I7/Download.html Feb 17 08:10:32 ah Feb 17 08:10:55 I tried the armv one because the name sounded the same, hehe, but it didn't work. Feb 17 08:10:58 i -think- it is difficult to get libgnomeui.. one of the reasons we work on Mer, is to make stuff like this a little easier :P Feb 17 08:12:01 I'm not that familiar with that, but I've heard of it. I'd rather not replace the OS, is that what it does? Feb 17 08:17:53 more like dual-boot Feb 17 08:18:52 StsN801: is there x86 installer of mer? Feb 17 08:19:21 since nokia isn't developing Maemo5 for n8x0 we are taking a different approach which may make porting easier Feb 17 08:19:33 hahlo, for hw? there's a guide Feb 17 08:20:04 StsN801: ok, does it run on eeepc? Feb 17 08:20:10 Hmm, ok, that sounds like a cool project. This is very odd that the site doesn't have the source of the command line Inform 7 thing :/ Feb 17 08:21:11 hahlo, it runs on a crap via c3 laptop so i am sure it probably could Feb 17 08:22:00 ok should try that Feb 17 08:28:11 lo _BuBU Feb 17 08:28:33 <_BuBU> hello Feb 17 08:28:56 _BuBU, loox port now released btw Feb 17 08:31:20 Morning, all Feb 17 08:35:44 GeneralAntilles/lardman; do we know if dneary's going to send out another mail? Feb 17 08:37:15 hi all Feb 17 08:57:38 dneary: was there a fourth email sent out containing the link to maemo.org/vote/? Lots of people dunno how to vote - it's clear in the blog posts, but that's not necessarily the best route Feb 17 09:03:34 Jaffa: I've asked Dave to add the link to the wiki articles too. Feb 17 09:03:54 So there is at least a pointer there.. Feb 17 09:04:04 Indeed. There are. Feb 17 09:15:22 Jaffa: I see Dave sent me a 4th message to send out ;) Feb 17 09:19:20 Anyone else experience problems with the latest FF3 update? Feb 17 09:19:39 As in "hangups, using 100% CPU" Feb 17 10:01:44 Hmm unified chargers for all phones regardless of brands. Feb 17 10:01:46 Nice.. Feb 17 10:02:11 USB? Feb 17 10:02:15 Yep. Feb 17 10:02:18 yeah, that was what i was thinking Feb 17 10:02:30 but knowing EU they will probably come up with some silly system. Feb 17 10:02:31 :P Feb 17 10:02:33 MiniUSB, MicroUSB? Feb 17 10:02:37 charge-by-RS232! Feb 17 10:02:47 Sts: charge-by-SCART! Feb 17 10:02:51 or that, yes Feb 17 10:03:02 admittedly, i do like scart. compared to the wire hell Feb 17 10:03:16 USB, EU was starting to look into regulating it.. Feb 17 10:05:20 You guys are your ridiculous over regulation. . . . Feb 17 10:05:41 and you wonder why everything costs more for you. :P Feb 17 10:07:06 GeneralAntilles: on the other hand, there are good things :P Feb 17 10:07:43 Like really ridiculously expensive electronics discouraging impulse buys? :P Feb 17 10:07:57 Not ridiculously expensive really Feb 17 10:08:05 Unless you are talking about Feb 17 10:08:06 UK Feb 17 10:09:20 GeneralAntilles: it isn't that bad really. close to zero electronics import tax from the US and 25% VAT here Feb 17 10:09:58 Sts: US has no federal VAT and state taxes are in 5-6% range Feb 17 10:10:36 RST38h: yeah, but vat is a standard price of living in .dk so Feb 17 10:10:46 and the prices are still cheaper than buying tablet retail for instance Feb 17 10:12:36 Sts: general does not live in .dk, he just wonders about your electronics prices :) Feb 17 10:12:41 hehe Feb 17 10:12:57 Sts: Any time he does that, ask him how much it costs to mend a broken knee Feb 17 10:13:24 RST38h: think that discussion already happened :> Feb 17 10:13:32 Sts: Yea, I remember Feb 17 10:14:03 Nokia went an interesting direction with the N86's buttons. Feb 17 10:14:15 the [QW] buttons? Feb 17 10:14:40 ah, no, that was the E something Feb 17 10:14:43 The keypad is totally different from anything I've seen them put out in the last 5 years. Feb 17 10:14:48 E55 Feb 17 10:14:55 it is vaguely familiar though Feb 17 10:15:48 Ah, found why it is familiar: http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/object_images/535x535/10319047.jpg Feb 17 10:15:52 since when is 800mhz underpowered for MIDs? :P Feb 17 10:16:25 Woo, StarTAC Feb 17 10:16:46 Stskeeps, since 2-hour battery life became the "norm"? Feb 17 10:16:50 oh boy. Feb 17 10:17:05 I'm just waiting for a proper android phone Feb 17 10:17:14 Oh snap Feb 17 10:17:15 OMAP4 Feb 17 10:17:16 i'm waiting for the merphone. Feb 17 10:17:28 before that comes out, I'll be using e90 Feb 17 10:17:52 Haha Feb 17 10:17:58 The new ISP supports up to 20MP Feb 17 10:18:10 Perhaps they should hook it up to a Hasselblad Feb 17 10:18:31 GeneralAntilles: No, they're up to 50M by now ;) Feb 17 10:18:57 X-Fade, on one of the "low-end" models. :P Feb 17 10:19:29 http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/ti_omap44x_blk_diag.png Feb 17 10:19:58 Nice ;) Feb 17 10:20:18 HDMI on your tablet ;) Feb 17 10:20:27 Sts: Will a mermaid do? Feb 17 10:20:48 Or a WUXGA touch screen? Feb 17 10:21:26 RST38h: mermaid? Feb 17 10:21:35 it is strange that BlueLink and WiLink do not share I2C interface with NaviLink Feb 17 10:21:45 Sts: instead of a merphone that is Feb 17 10:21:56 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9955815446.html Feb 17 10:22:08 and the touch controller uses SPI Feb 17 10:22:16 No, not getting it. Why not have a unified bus? Feb 17 10:22:24 RST38h: if i can flash it with whatever.. :P Feb 17 10:22:40 I wonder if we'll see this on the next tablet. Feb 17 10:22:42 Sts: umgh. Feb 17 10:22:51 Dual-core. . . . Feb 17 10:22:57 * GeneralAntilles goosebumps. Feb 17 10:23:05 4 cores! Feb 17 10:23:54 Looks like initial OMAP4 is a dual core chip but the next ones will go to 4 cores. If anyone needs them of course Feb 17 10:24:38 Realistically, you will see this in devices in 2011. Feb 17 10:25:25 X-Fade, there may be a slightly shorter time to market since it's slightly less of an upgrade compared to OMAP2/OMAP3 Feb 17 10:25:42 OMAP3 only took about a year for the first device to ship. Feb 17 10:25:46 GeneralAntilles: Nah, if you look at OMAP3. It was announced a long time ago.. Feb 17 10:25:49 Archos 5 last Summer. Feb 17 10:25:51 2007 Feb 17 10:26:06 They say volumes in 2nd half 2010. Feb 17 10:26:10 2006, actually. Feb 17 10:26:10 Hum Feb 17 10:27:09 Anybody recall what the Post-Harmattan codename is? Feb 17 10:27:14 i red newspaper that internet tablets are in use for small group Feb 17 10:27:27 It was picked on Jaiku. . . . Feb 17 10:27:49 Il something wasn't it_ Feb 17 10:28:06 heh, ``[...]along with C64x DSPs'' why do i read that as Commodore64 Feb 17 10:28:16 (that linuxdevices.com link) Feb 17 10:28:32 GeneralAntilles: Inverna ? Feb 17 10:28:35 http://qgil.jaiku.com/presence/52078129 Feb 17 10:28:36 http://qgil.jaiku.com/presence/52078129#c-2053040 Feb 17 10:28:42 Bitch. . . . :P Feb 17 10:28:52 Me fastah! Feb 17 10:29:35 e90 has nice qwerty keyboard, why did nokia dropped numeral keys from the newest models Feb 17 10:29:51 n810 keyboard is a big step back from e90 Feb 17 10:30:12 I guess my next phone will be HTC, if they make proper android phone :) Feb 17 10:31:00 or nokia makes a linux phone, with proper keyboard, must have in Helsinki traffic :) Feb 17 10:31:54 lack of space Feb 17 10:31:55 Mer on N97? :) Feb 17 10:32:19 X-Fade: give me bootloader info and i would be up for it.. Feb 17 10:32:20 :P Feb 17 10:32:28 What is the status of Linux on N-series phones? Feb 17 10:32:36 signed firmware (afaik) Feb 17 10:32:42 GeneralAntilles: Non-existent? Feb 17 10:32:44 General: 0 Feb 17 10:32:52 or NIL whatever you prefer Feb 17 10:33:15 * RST38h frankly believes E90 keyboard is a step back from E70 Feb 17 10:33:17 Stskeeps: yeah, they are protected somehow.. Feb 17 10:33:46 http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/overview.html <- that with linux would be close to perfect Feb 17 10:34:38 wiza: admittedly they have gotten the keyboard right Feb 17 10:35:23 Stskeeps: yes, that is also right in e90, problem is that slideout is a lot better than clamshell on e90 Feb 17 10:37:33 and it seems that nokia has some problems with it's website... :) Feb 17 10:41:10 Can the referenda names be fixed without breaking everything? Feb 17 10:41:33 GeneralAntilles: Yes, Dave will send me updated names. Feb 17 10:45:37 and can somebody bounce in and fix this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4125 Feb 17 10:46:36 * GeneralAntilles notices the notice for people to stop updating the itT wiki was noticed. Feb 17 10:48:45 GeneralAntilles: refresh ;) Feb 17 10:49:12 hmm ever more gnome.. Feb 17 10:52:21 Ok, dneary's email instead. Feb 17 10:57:36 Every day I delay blogging seems like I have to add yet another thing to the list. . . . Feb 17 10:59:02 hopefully the Touch Pro 2 is faster than the first one. Feb 17 10:59:40 The first one was really painful to use. It took a second for it to react to a gesture. Feb 17 11:00:24 * GeneralAntilles drops GSoC 09 to the March edition. Feb 17 11:01:32 hello everybody) Feb 17 11:07:54 After I've set up boot from SD, how do I change what the default is? It's still trying to boot from the system memory unless I choose otherwise at the menu. Feb 17 11:08:11 Read the bootmenu readme, it tells you how. Feb 17 11:08:22 tonyyarusso, the steps are listed at the bottom of the wiki page, aren't teyh? Feb 17 11:08:27 s/teyh/they/ Feb 17 11:08:27 GeneralAntilles meant: tonyyarusso, the steps are listed at the bottom of the wiki page, aren't they? Feb 17 11:08:49 GeneralAntilles: well, I got shunted around a bunch of wiki pages, so I'm not sure anymore. Feb 17 11:08:52 I'll look... Feb 17 11:09:04 ~boot-sd Feb 17 11:09:05 methinks boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card Feb 17 11:09:25 https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Set_the_default_boot_device Feb 17 11:10:29 hola Feb 17 11:10:49 that looks like it'll work - trying Feb 17 11:10:52 * Jucato coincidentally just blogged about dual booting the other day... Feb 17 11:17:00 okay, that worked. Feb 17 11:17:25 Is there a config file to edit for these things, or do you have to use things like cal-tool? Feb 17 11:21:11 morning qgil1 :) Feb 17 11:22:13 hola qgil1 :) Feb 17 11:22:41 hi qgil1 Feb 17 11:27:46 hi there Feb 17 11:28:59 HELLO FROM BARCELONA!!! Feb 17 11:29:04 no, just joking :) Feb 17 11:29:12 Heh ;) Feb 17 11:29:41 qgil1: Do you know, is there any live stream from curren Keynote bout open mobile platform? Feb 17 11:29:41 had a minor heart attack of expectations there ;) Feb 17 11:30:01 Haha Feb 17 11:30:15 qgil1: http://events.nokia.com/mwc/home.htm <- they took away the banner Feb 17 11:30:25 Okay, are you in Spain or not qgil1? Feb 17 11:30:48 I'm in Helsinki, as usual Feb 17 11:31:01 wazd: no idea, sorry Feb 17 11:31:03 Thats kinda like Spain. Only a little colder. :) Feb 17 11:31:10 Up, here come the icons. Feb 17 11:31:11 actually it's quite sunny today Feb 17 11:31:25 if I'd forget about the -10C this morning... Feb 17 11:31:55 qgil1: yes, so it blinds you while your freezing Feb 17 11:32:07 and yes, I'm in Helsinki too :D Feb 17 11:32:36 wiza: I was about to say 'you know what I'm talking about' Feb 17 11:32:44 :) Feb 17 11:33:25 car warms up just about when I get to work... Feb 17 11:33:36 morning all Feb 17 11:33:43 afternoon Feb 17 11:34:17 lardman, OMAP4 announced. Feb 17 11:34:27 ah, interesting, linky? Feb 17 11:34:43 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9955815446.html?kc=rss Feb 17 11:34:48 thanks Feb 17 11:34:51 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2009/02/n86-official-01.jpg <- such a fake screenshot Feb 17 11:35:09 jeremiah: how are you settling in? Feb 17 11:35:29 wazd: now if it was actually true that would be kinda neat :P Feb 17 11:35:47 Stskeeps: phone can't give you that DOF :) Feb 17 11:36:05 DOF? Feb 17 11:36:07 wazd, wouldn't it be great if they used real screenshots for all PR photos? Feb 17 11:36:12 Stskeeps: depth of field Feb 17 11:36:21 lardman: Well thank you, Feb 17 11:36:24 GeneralAntilles: yep :) Feb 17 11:36:26 wazd: ah- Feb 17 11:36:30 wazd: basically could, hard to say without a wider picture Feb 17 11:36:33 "Man, that display looks like shit." Feb 17 11:36:34 lardman: There is lots to read and grok. Feb 17 11:36:34 GeneralAntilles: something omap3 would be fine for the time being, hint hint qgil1 ;) Feb 17 11:36:52 jeremiah: cool, glad all is well :) Feb 17 11:36:54 New tools, new processes, but it is all very interesting. Feb 17 11:37:28 Now he just needs an actual device. ;) Feb 17 11:38:01 jeremiah doesn't own a tablet? :o Feb 17 11:38:07 Subalashii asaga akelu Feb 17 11:38:32 aw, johnx is asleep now) Feb 17 11:38:36 Stskeeps: I have an old one, but I loaned it out last summer. :} Feb 17 11:38:37 heh Feb 17 11:38:57 jeremiah: mer 0.8 published last night btw, if you wanted to try out the vmdk Feb 17 11:39:16 Stskeeps: Yeah, I would like to try that out. Feb 17 11:39:39 I have been fooling around in the sdk recently, looking at the details of packages. Feb 17 11:40:33 I also have a bit of a backlog already, have to help with packaging some things, I think timeless is eager for me to get back to him for example. Feb 17 11:40:39 Stskeeps, wanna give me a quick rundown of major improvements and things you want me to link to? Feb 17 11:41:13 I'm going to post a blog post on the best way to get my eyeballs to look at things, sometimes it is hard to be in this channel all the time. Feb 17 11:41:35 although irssi and screen rock! Feb 17 11:41:56 jeremiah: just learn the "Y: X, ping" (.. later, "X: Y, pong" method and it is easier to catch up with people Feb 17 11:42:02 jeremiah: is your blog syndicated to planet.m.o? Feb 17 11:42:14 Jaffa: Yep! :) Feb 17 11:42:34 Stskeeps: Whaddya mean exactly? (What are the values of X and Y?) Feb 17 11:42:56 I wonder if people could sumbit requests to you, and have them lined up and visible somewhere? Feb 17 11:43:12 lardman: That is what I was thinking too . . . Feb 17 11:43:24 Dedicate a bugzilla to jeremiah ;P Feb 17 11:43:24 Then I could post links to build results and finished packages . . . Feb 17 11:43:28 jeremiah: as in we don't really expect people to be constantly available here, so we just lay a "nickname, ping?" and then when the person is back, they answer pong :P Feb 17 11:43:47 I'm in favor of having them in the form of large rocks, with a webcam feed so we can watch them build up around jeremiah. ;) Feb 17 11:43:56 Stskeeps: Aha, clever. I will try to adopt that. Must double check that I am logging irssi Feb 17 11:43:58 GeneralAntilles: beagleboard port, better support for nokia rx-44 keyboard, you can actually install applications now, .. just generally more sanity (it's a boring release), http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=265081#post265081 really says most of it Feb 17 11:44:11 GeneralAntilles: Ooooh, sounds comfy! Feb 17 11:44:31 jeremiah: using /away and then /away again when back will show highlights of your nickname too, so Feb 17 11:44:34 How do people feel about a trac instance? That is quite useful Feb 17 11:44:56 Stskeeps: Yeah, I am lazy and have not been doing that but I will try to be more conscientious Feb 17 11:45:03 jeremiah: For what? Feb 17 11:45:12 How can I edit the boot timeout? (I tried editing /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf, but it's read-only) Feb 17 11:45:15 GeneralAntilles: the interesting part is that we add diablo extras directly to the mer installation Feb 17 11:45:22 and the call for developers to check their apps Feb 17 11:45:32 tonyyarusso, mount -o remount,rw /mnt/initfs Feb 17 11:45:43 X-Fade: Well, people could submit packages to be reviewed/built/etc to a trac list, or should that go into bugzilla? Feb 17 11:46:45 jeremiah: Bug reporting is supposed to be done in bugzilla. The problem is, where to file a bug against a random package? Feb 17 11:46:47 qwerty12: excellent Feb 17 11:47:38 X-Fade: Yeah. I am not sure what a good way to do this is. What do you think? Feb 17 11:48:05 X-Fade: What do you do now if someone wants packaging help? Do you reply via email? Feb 17 11:48:07 Watched wiki page? Feb 17 11:48:22 Watched wiki could be good . . . Feb 17 11:48:27 You could take requests via email, but update your queue on the wiki Feb 17 11:48:29 If gforge weren't so nasty, maybe a Garage project Feb 17 11:48:33 I will start there anyway Feb 17 11:48:46 GeneralAntilles: I agree, Gforge makes me cry. Feb 17 11:48:53 I have been toying with the idea of making a build log page where one can file bugs too. So you can see the status of each package and easily file bugs. Feb 17 11:49:11 X-Fade: Hmm, that sounds interesting. Feb 17 11:49:19 A bit of a cross between the debian packages page, gnome build bot pages etc.. Feb 17 11:49:41 I should look at the GNOME build bots, I have never looked at them. Feb 17 11:49:45 jeremiah: http://build.gnome.org/ Feb 17 11:50:03 Thanks X-Fade, helpful as always. :) Feb 17 11:50:18 Woah, 50% of the charges against the Pirate Bay are dropped. Feb 17 11:50:26 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9955815446.html?kc=rss Feb 17 11:50:29 * qwerty12 cheers Feb 17 11:50:35 http://torrentfreak.com/50-of-charges-against-pirate-bay-dropped-090217/ Feb 17 11:51:31 Distributed Hash Tables FTW! Feb 17 11:52:00 Hah, hell yeah. Feb 17 11:52:45 * Stskeeps thinks thepiratebay.org technologically wise is deepily flawed, but that's just me. Feb 17 12:03:08 Nokia to preinstall Skype on N97 Feb 17 12:03:22 What? Skype developers finally learned how to program for Symbian? Feb 17 12:03:35 X-Fade: where have you been anyway? Feb 17 12:04:54 X-Fade: holiday? Feb 17 12:05:23 RST38h: think it has been on symbian before? Feb 17 12:05:30 Sts: It has not Feb 17 12:05:32 k Feb 17 12:05:40 Sts: That was pissing a lot of people Feb 17 12:08:27 WashPost is having another fit of good journalism: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/16/AR2009021601391.html?nav=igoogle Feb 17 12:08:36 load-applet seems to work better in mer than diablo, is it same program? Feb 17 12:09:11 hahlo: yeah Feb 17 12:09:18 morning b-man Feb 17 12:09:19 it is. there was a recent update to it though, so your versions may be a little bit different Feb 17 12:09:37 morning Stskeeps :) Feb 17 12:14:28 * b-man leaves for school, see ya in 7 hours ;p Feb 17 12:14:32 hf Feb 17 12:14:44 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/android-magic-top-new.jpg <- eww Feb 17 12:15:34 * Stskeeps still doesn't see the impressive about android Feb 17 12:15:58 Stskeeps: I agree, Android is looking a little weak right now. Feb 17 12:16:15 then again i am probably heavily biased :P Feb 17 12:16:55 * aquatix is somehow impressed by http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/samsung-omniahd-hands-on-now-with-more-touchwiz/ Feb 17 12:17:01 that's one nice S60 device Feb 17 12:17:44 i'm not quite impressed by android btw Feb 17 12:17:48 it's ok, but that's about it Feb 17 12:18:11 Well, they have to show more phones running it, that's for sure. Feb 17 12:18:17 whats so cool bout AM-OLED screens? Feb 17 12:18:31 I haven't seen them live so it's difficult to understand Feb 17 12:18:40 low power consumption i believe Feb 17 12:18:46 and dont they retain image without power Feb 17 12:20:03 Well OLED is organic LED, so that comes with some advantages in the use of materials I believe. Feb 17 12:20:21 what's the AM part then? Feb 17 12:20:32 active-matrix organic light-emitting diode, Feb 17 12:20:46 * Very thin and lighter weight Feb 17 12:20:47 * Greatly minimized propensity for breakage Feb 17 12:20:47 * Lower-power, highly rugged with superior image quality, and low cost compared to the current LCD displays Feb 17 12:20:47 * Due to their inherent ruggedness, allow a unique form factor of conformability and rollability during use, transportation and storage. Feb 17 12:20:55 * mgedmin remembers passive matrices from the early LCD days and shudders Feb 17 12:21:28 wazd: they're really clear too i think Feb 17 12:21:46 besides, that OmniaHD has a really highres screen and some interesting GUI Feb 17 12:22:17 ok, amoled is cool :) Feb 17 12:22:29 mmm I can't find that bug about applications should open new browser window instead of using the currently open... Feb 17 12:22:41 wazd: OLED has got a single big drawback Feb 17 12:22:45 The display is very difficult to view in sunlight. Feb 17 12:22:54 ok, amoled sucks) Feb 17 12:23:09 wazd: It dies fairly quickly, usually starting from the edges Feb 17 12:23:28 RST38h: that's kinda whole oled thing problem Feb 17 12:23:29 * mgedmin finds the wikipedia article about OLEDs and gives up understanding the various kinds in 5 minutes Feb 17 12:23:31 wazd: That is why large-scale OLEDs have been so elusive Feb 17 12:24:11 RST38h: the best ting is transflective screen I think) Feb 17 12:24:15 mgedmin: You only want this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode#Disadvantages Feb 17 12:25:36 The acronym galore is mainly due to OLEDs still being in active development, give 'em time :) Feb 17 12:27:20 Seems like HTC ceo is a local star on MWC :) He has appeared on 3 keynotes already) Feb 17 12:28:42 hum, andre__ leaves when I'm asking for a bug number... :) Feb 17 12:29:04 qgil1: He tends to do that often ;) Feb 17 12:29:44 there is still gmail, X-Fade Feb 17 12:30:05 heh.. Feb 17 12:31:49 Lots of new touch phones. Have to look at videos. Feb 17 12:32:05 The Omnia UI looked quite messy, but perhaps they're still fixing it. Feb 17 12:32:39 qgil1, the noe I remember was filed for the RSS reader. Feb 17 12:32:56 roope: it's alpha Feb 17 12:33:06 roope: and there's a lot of widgets there Feb 17 12:33:11 Everybody made an iPhone =) Feb 17 12:33:26 *sigh* Feb 17 12:33:27 aquatix: yeah, the app UI's didn't fit the screen yet etc. Feb 17 12:33:42 But nice to see somebody else than Nokia using the S60 v5.0. Feb 17 12:33:50 I know, they are all iPhones, what is up with that? Feb 17 12:33:54 that's not entirely surprising, given the resolution Feb 17 12:33:59 qgil1, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2977 ? Feb 17 12:34:03 roope: indeed Feb 17 12:34:07 roope: same with SE Feb 17 12:36:10 jeremiah, no camelCase! :P Feb 17 12:37:03 GeneralAntilles: yes, that's the one - thanks! Feb 17 12:38:04 Ah, this is a media wiki. Feb 17 12:38:05 roope: Is it true that Omnia uses S60v5? Feb 17 12:38:24 rst38h: Looking at the video, yes. They had the exact same virtual keyboard, for instance. Feb 17 12:38:31 And some of the apps were identical. Feb 17 12:38:41 roope: Google says it is winmo 6.1 Feb 17 12:38:46 As the 5800 xpressmusic, for instance. Feb 17 12:39:10 wait, plain omnia is 6.1 Feb 17 12:39:22 The engadget article says that "first tiime they've done this on S60". Feb 17 12:39:28 ah Feb 17 12:39:38 RST38h: the OmniaHD is S60v5 Feb 17 12:39:39 qgil1, that'll be $5. ;) Feb 17 12:39:42 with omniahd they apparently ditched winmo for s60 Feb 17 12:39:48 indeed Feb 17 12:40:15 * GeneralAntilles could go for a Samsung S60 handset. Feb 17 12:40:16 yeah, it's clear from the video. Feb 17 12:40:24 General: same here Feb 17 12:40:36 I've got an SGH-A717 and it's a great phone. Feb 17 12:41:34 I actually hadn't even realized Samsung had been shipping S60 phones. Feb 17 12:41:55 some Feb 17 12:42:01 None to the US, though. Feb 17 12:42:06 i think they've shipped a phone with every (major) OS Feb 17 12:42:12 could be Feb 17 12:42:37 General: You can order one by mail Feb 17 12:43:00 The idea that your cell provider should also sell you a phone is ridiculous anyway Feb 17 12:43:11 jeremiah: happen to know of a good guide on making source packages with multiple binary packages? Feb 17 12:43:27 RST38h, do they actually work on US bands? Feb 17 12:43:32 I'm fairly certain they don't. Feb 17 12:43:42 General: GSM ones usually do nowadays Feb 17 12:43:50 RST38h: i have been buying sim-only subscriptions and loose gsm's for a while now Feb 17 12:43:51 3G you will have ot check Feb 17 12:44:02 RST38h, yeah, 3G is the important part. Feb 17 12:45:31 Omnia HD has 360 x 640 pixels <== it is S60v5 all right Feb 17 12:45:57 3.2" vs 3.7" I'd take the 5800. . . . Feb 17 12:45:59 Wonder what CPU Feb 17 12:46:00 * mgedmin is very disappointed in HSDPA modems, especially ones that fail to connect for 40 minutes straight Feb 17 12:46:45 Stskeeps: I think so, or at least I have seen it donw. Feb 17 12:46:50 Let me check. Feb 17 12:46:58 Omnia HD 3G bands: HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100 Feb 17 12:47:04 General: Is yours there? Feb 17 12:47:19 ARM11 600MHz Feb 17 12:48:12 GeneralAntilles: sure = one beer in the next Maemo Summit Feb 17 12:50:02 RST38h: oh, only 360x640? Feb 17 12:50:20 GeneralAntilles: omniahd has 600MHz omap3 iirc Feb 17 12:50:31 btw I just found out that independent developers will have free entrance in OSiM World: http://event.osimworld.com/developer Feb 17 12:53:11 'lo johnx|zaurus Feb 17 12:53:22 aquatix: that is what S60v5 uses right now Feb 17 12:53:29 hi Feb 17 12:53:54 aquatix, is it? Feb 17 12:53:55 Stskeeps: marking powerlaunch task as done - i've mapped all the functions to Mer specific stuff Feb 17 12:54:03 hi johnx|zaurus Feb 17 12:54:05 qwerty12_N800: alright, sounds good Feb 17 12:54:13 THAT would be a big advantage over the 5800. ;) Feb 17 12:54:23 qwerty12_N800, awesome work on powerlaunch (!!) Feb 17 12:54:28 that was fast Feb 17 12:54:28 qwerty12_N800: so you can actually shut down sanely now? :P Feb 17 12:54:41 Stskeeps: yep :p Feb 17 12:54:57 GeneralAntilles: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8910_omnia_hd-review-317.php Feb 17 12:55:20 you need a lot more power to push 800x480 pixels on screen than 480x320. Feb 17 12:55:26 johnx|zaurus: hehe, taking out the battery got too annoying for me :) Feb 17 12:55:53 ah. i just did the sudo reboot thing Feb 17 12:56:13 it doesn't really state the cpu Feb 17 12:56:20 * qwerty12_N800 is too lazy to fire up an xterm :) Feb 17 12:57:58 * qwerty12_N800 wonders if samsung service manuals are as easily leaked as nokia & sony ericsson ones Feb 17 12:57:59 i really need to work on more mer/zaurus stuff. even in its current state its already really nice to use Feb 17 12:59:19 * johnx|zaurus heads home from work. back in 2 hours Feb 17 12:59:45 heh, i read `heads home for work' Feb 17 12:59:55 * aquatix really needs to wake up Feb 17 13:02:27 gan: i think a general product in extras could work Feb 17 13:02:44 As an intro to bugzilla for random extras packages Feb 17 13:02:52 Hum Feb 17 13:02:58 Well, what about contacting maintainers? Feb 17 13:03:22 GeneralAntilles: ``Samsung i8910 Omnia HD runs on a new 600 MHz CPU and has a dedicated graphic processor chip.'' and if i'm not mistaken, i heard it was an omap3 Feb 17 13:03:52 but i thought the screen was more highres Feb 17 13:03:53 qgil: if you can't find the new window browser bug, i can get it for you Feb 17 13:03:59 now i'm still torn Feb 17 13:04:03 N97 stays nice ;) Feb 17 13:04:29 timelE61i: I think it can work, but it can swamp bugzilla with bug reports which are not followed up on? Feb 17 13:05:13 it's not a big hazard Feb 17 13:05:16 timelE61i: Who would they be assigned to by default? Our debmaster? Feb 17 13:05:18 ;) Feb 17 13:05:35 It means people can easily determine a given package isn't maintained Feb 17 13:05:54 i think debmaster or a community relations person Feb 17 13:06:20 We should try to have a consistent bug summary for easy searching Feb 17 13:06:29 aquatix, I saw mention of ARM11 on Google Feb 17 13:06:31 So, dunno. Feb 17 13:06:37 (or we could use the alias field as the package name) Feb 17 13:08:29 GeneralAntilles: ah Feb 17 13:08:54 hm, what is Samsung's track record with software updates? Feb 17 13:09:32 Do phone manufacturers offer software updates? :) Feb 17 13:10:02 timelE61i: now and then Feb 17 13:10:05 even SE Feb 17 13:10:10 se? Feb 17 13:10:23 they even made my Sony Ericsson m600i functional Feb 17 13:10:36 timelE61i: Sony Ericsson Feb 17 13:10:54 omnia HD has a resistive screen, that's interesting. Feb 17 13:11:06 it's quite a nice unit Feb 17 13:11:22 and being able to play highres video like that... jum Feb 17 13:11:27 Samsung apparently does update firmware Feb 17 13:11:28 it's a shang-tsung Feb 17 13:11:53 I bet there's something shitty in it :) Feb 17 13:12:05 wazd: yeah, i'm not a fan, but this looks nice Feb 17 13:13:49 * qwerty12_N800 finds samsung's software shit but the phone themselves decent. I guess with S60, the software part is solved Feb 17 13:13:51 I'd bet Qualcomm Feb 17 13:14:38 https://bugs.maemo.org/quips.cgi?action=show "Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder." political or just stupid? ;) Feb 17 13:14:54 "wipro" <- spam Feb 17 13:16:59 woo, my laptop is back from repairs \o/ Feb 17 13:17:04 now i can code on the couch again Feb 17 13:18:47 spam deleted Feb 17 13:22:07 qwerty12_N800: yeah Feb 17 13:22:33 hey everyone, I have a develop problem,I wrote a code ,play n800`s camera with GDK , but it always be in dark , a lot of space of the window I put it to view camera Feb 17 13:22:51 any one has the similar exprements? Feb 17 13:25:10 Hey timelE61i - Can you provide an URL for your packaging issue? Feb 17 13:25:29 I want to try to reproduce it now that I have a recent sdk up and running. Feb 17 13:26:03 Also, if people want to spam me, feel free to do so here; http://wiki.maemo.org/TrackingPackaging Feb 17 13:26:19 Stupid name for the page but we can change it. :) Feb 17 13:27:39 GeneralAntilles: A lyric from a song I like, "absinthe makes the heart grow fonder" Feb 17 13:28:25 Morning Feb 17 13:29:13 morning Feb 17 13:29:17 * Stskeeps tests flashable Mer images Feb 17 13:30:08 jEremiah: um Feb 17 13:30:34 Gan or sdomeone has Feb 17 13:30:57 One sec. . . . Feb 17 13:32:01 Got it. Feb 17 13:32:07 sorry, i'm wandering around Feb 17 13:32:13 np Feb 17 13:32:54 * timelE61i goes to kick a box Feb 17 13:33:08 i'm told it takes about 6 kicks to start Feb 17 13:44:23 hi, is Deblet orphaned due to Mer? I really, really would rather have a full desktop-ish layout instead of Hildon, and hate to see it left incomplete Feb 17 13:45:19 Phoodus, just install lxde on top of mer Feb 17 13:45:22 Phoodus: yes, it is, but it is perfectly possible to grab lxde Feb 17 13:45:38 * GeneralAntilles doesn't get full-desktop on the tablets. . . . Feb 17 13:45:40 just don't have any grandeur visions of battery life = Feb 17 13:45:41 :) Feb 17 13:45:51 doesn't that mean that both Maemo/Hildon and Mer/LXDE are both taking RAM? Feb 17 13:46:05 lol. . . . Feb 17 13:46:12 Phoodus: nop Feb 17 13:46:16 seperate sessions Feb 17 13:46:22 they may take space, yes, but not ram Feb 17 13:46:36 Phoodus, only one runs at a time and if you look at my post on itt it tells you how to change back and forth Feb 17 13:47:08 oh, ok. I tried out Deblet and liked it a lot, but it doesn't see the wlan and if you try to resize the keyboard it freaks out :-P Feb 17 13:47:22 Stskeeps, how's battery life in mer now? Feb 17 13:47:27 and the "debian in a file from maemo" didn't tickle my fancy, thought Mer was like that Feb 17 13:47:31 slonopotamus: tbh i haven't tested recently Feb 17 13:47:44 Stskeeps, tbh - to be hacked? Feb 17 13:47:45 slonopotamus: when we actually get a battery meter .. Feb 17 13:47:50 :) Feb 17 13:47:52 slonopotamus: no, to be honest, but yes, to be hacked Feb 17 13:47:57 hehe Feb 17 13:48:07 it lasted all night for me Feb 17 13:48:41 Andrewfblack, n800 with maemo can live for ~5-7 days if left untouched Feb 17 13:49:20 slonopotamus: the fact wifi power saving was broken probably didn't help a lot either :P Feb 17 13:49:33 slonopotamus, I know but Mer had only been last like 2 hours so its atleast improved without battery meter I don't know how much battery it left it might last that long Feb 17 13:50:03 just remembered I have to fix how to for installing lxde Mer 0.8 broke old howto Feb 17 13:50:07 Stskeeps, tell me more :) will it hit me too? Feb 17 13:50:14 slonopotamus, 30 days at the longest. Feb 17 13:50:39 slonopotamus: yes, it will Feb 17 13:50:55 slonopotamus: look at the wifi-powersave.py thingie Feb 17 13:51:04 Andrewfblack, 2 hours? how? it survives to 2 hours under 100% cpu load @400mhz Feb 17 13:51:13 Stskeeps, what package? Feb 17 13:51:23 slonopotamus: dsme-tools Feb 17 13:51:30 Stskeeps, k Feb 17 13:51:42 http://i.gizmodo.com/5154841/how-not-to-make-a-touchscreen-phone Feb 17 13:51:45 I told ya :) Feb 17 13:52:20 slonopotamus, mer 0.7 had a bug with wifi that is fixed now so it killed battery rather fast it might have been longer then 2 hours but not much more. Feb 17 13:52:28 wazd, doesn't work with gnash :( Feb 17 13:52:39 wazd, flash movie Feb 17 13:52:56 Andrewfblack, okay Feb 17 13:54:46 wazd, iPhone whores don't know how to use resistive touch screen.s Feb 17 13:55:39 wazd, ever tried handing a tablet to an iPhone owner? Feb 17 13:56:12 Omnia is capacitive Feb 17 13:56:24 The Samsung Omnia HD still has the same lousy response when it comes to the touch part, even while its screen is capacitive instead of resistive. Feb 17 13:56:47 Stskeeps, where is the instructions for getting FN key working at? Feb 17 13:56:47 It's just Shang-Tsung) Feb 17 13:57:17 I'm pretty sure it's resistive. Feb 17 13:57:24 wazd: the guy is probably wrong Feb 17 13:57:39 wazd: also, he is most likely trying to fondle it with his finger not with a pen Feb 17 13:57:45 Andrewfblack: Known issues Feb 17 13:57:51 wazd: 5800 is also not very responsive to fingers Feb 17 13:57:52 ok thanks Feb 17 13:57:56 RST38h: hm Feb 17 13:57:56 Fat-thumbing resistive touchscreen doesn't work well. Feb 17 13:58:01 Any tablet owner knows that. Feb 17 13:58:21 GeneralAntilles: well, I type pretty well on the fullscreen keyboard Feb 17 13:58:34 GeneralAntilles: just press a bit harder Feb 17 13:58:53 wazd, yes, so do I. Feb 17 13:59:02 wazd, you and I would have no trouble using that touchscreen. Feb 17 13:59:25 But Apple fanboys always deliberately try to make resistive touchscreens look bad. Feb 17 13:59:29 Thus, the video. Feb 17 14:00:06 Oh, I can read detailed review of Omnia HD at mobile-review.com :) Feb 17 14:00:36 This is also why Apple doesn't talk about their products until they're ready to be released. Feb 17 14:00:47 Alpha-quality pre-release software rarely gets good press. Feb 17 14:00:57 wazd: having huge on screen buttons definitely help, but still, it is easier to use some tool like that little plastic trinagle coming with 5800 Feb 17 14:01:20 RST38h, i.e. guitar pick? :P Feb 17 14:01:24 yep Feb 17 14:01:40 btw, capacitive touchscreens have a different problem Feb 17 14:01:46 they are not very precise Feb 17 14:02:06 Right Feb 17 14:02:07 RST38h: liar, why do you hate apple :( Feb 17 14:02:16 Each technology has its own pros and cons. Feb 17 14:02:18 suih: I don't hate apple Feb 17 14:02:30 I am kinda afraid of apple fans though Feb 17 14:02:37 that was just a lousy apple fanboy parody Feb 17 14:02:43 ah Feb 17 14:03:16 Btw, this means that neither s60v5 nor maemo UI will work well with capacitive screen Feb 17 14:03:30 qwerty12_N800: prod Feb 17 14:03:45 Stskeeps: *slap* :p Feb 17 14:04:15 qwerty12_N800: is flasher able to flash both kernel and rootfs in one command when it is not a fiasco image_ Feb 17 14:04:18 ? Feb 17 14:04:27 .oO( if apple would release a resistive touchscreen device, all the fans would be amazed how accuratly you can draw pretty pictures in the paint app with the bundled pen ) Feb 17 14:04:54 suihkulokki, you know it. ;) Feb 17 14:04:59 Stskeeps: never tried, why not be the first? ;) Feb 17 14:05:09 hehe Feb 17 14:05:10 It's too bad we didn't get a paint program for Fremantle stars. Feb 17 14:05:44 paintbrush 3000 Feb 17 14:05:51 RST38h: we haven't seen maemo UI yet) Feb 17 14:05:58 Stskeeps, worse comes to worst you could do a one-liner, anyway. Feb 17 14:06:22 flasher-3.0 -r ...; flasher-3.0 -k -R Feb 17 14:06:51 s/;/&&/ Feb 17 14:07:06 ; works too Feb 17 14:07:24 Just in case the first one goes up in flames. ;) Feb 17 14:07:33 hehe Feb 17 14:07:51 fcking jaiku. i think i might make the builder bot get a web interface or something Feb 17 14:07:57 I bet you can do it in one command, though. Feb 17 14:08:28 Stskeeps: yes. i'm still waiting for cnetworkmanager & powerlaunch Feb 17 14:08:52 ok, gone for food Feb 17 14:09:39 * Stskeeps notes to himself apt cache for ubuntu on tmpfs is not feasible. Feb 17 14:10:53 and of course the mmap.patch from maemo no longer applies to the newest apt Feb 17 14:11:34 with ubifs, no need for it anymore I guess Feb 17 14:11:54 Think we can backport UBIFS to OMAP2 devices? Feb 17 14:13:33 hopefully we can get newer kernels as well :P Feb 17 14:25:23 GeneralAntilles, understood totally about fat thumbing, thats why you make a pokable ui instead of a strokable one Feb 17 14:28:50 hi Feb 17 14:30:10 apple would combine resistive and capacitive screens, try to do the best of both worlds. Feb 17 14:30:24 Too bad about the power and cost impact. Feb 17 14:32:45 how many layers do you want on top of your display? :-P Feb 17 14:34:50 jeremiah, steps to reproduce on #4127 are a little weak. ;) Feb 17 14:34:51 Is there a URL? Feb 17 14:35:12 GeneralAntilles: I will try to cut and paste some text Feb 17 14:35:20 That'll work. Feb 17 14:35:24 I am not sure about a URL. Feb 17 14:35:35 MXR, maybe? Feb 17 14:35:50 Its just a simple thing, five points are numbered 1,2,3,3,4 instead of 1,2,3,4,5 Feb 17 14:36:02 I just thought some one might like to know. Feb 17 14:36:53 The person who'll actually fix it will probably understand, but, you know. ;) Feb 17 14:37:08 Yep, I will try to make it clearer. :) Feb 17 14:44:00 qwerty12_N800: think jaiku relays messages again Feb 17 14:44:25 Stskeeps: ok, thanks Feb 17 14:48:35 have to go pick up my gf from thet airport in a little while Feb 17 14:48:51 ugh.... the airport :-\ it's almost as bad as going downtown Feb 17 14:48:55 hmm, how do you bring up the onscreen keyboard as Mer is doing its initial user setup stuff? Feb 17 14:49:14 click text stuff Feb 17 14:49:19 Sometimes, I clicked in the text field and it came right up, but if the cursor is already there when the dialog pops up, nothing happens Feb 17 14:49:20 text field Feb 17 14:49:27 yeah.. just click twice Feb 17 14:49:31 it is a bit awkward at times Feb 17 14:49:52 I've clicked a whole lot more than twice already ;) Feb 17 14:49:56 still nothing Feb 17 14:50:01 haha Feb 17 14:50:07 click window and then text field? Feb 17 14:50:27 gAn: i've almost gotten my stage box working Feb 17 14:50:32 yep, tried it, clicking the window does not remove focus from the text field Feb 17 14:50:39 * timelE61i curses unreliable hw Feb 17 14:50:40 nor does dragging the window nor clicking on the background Feb 17 14:51:08 Phoodus: blah, sucks - tap ok and try again :P Feb 17 14:51:08 hm Feb 17 14:51:20 "try again" as in running the entire install process again? :-P Feb 17 14:51:42 anyway, hitting cancel on the "type password again" let me move on. Who knows what my password really is now ;) Feb 17 14:51:47 hehe :P Feb 17 14:52:07 yeah, i guess HIM is a bit wonky in first boot wizard Feb 17 14:52:49 "Oooh, screen rotation, let me try that! Hey, why is my screen blank now?" Feb 17 14:53:01 Phoodus: it's a trick to kick out to console ;) Feb 17 14:53:10 feel free to track it down and fix it Feb 17 14:53:11 :P Feb 17 14:53:38 i let my friend play with mer for about a minute and he had already found that 'trick' Feb 17 14:54:16 * Phoodus does a battery yank Feb 17 14:54:17 he didn't find the fix though. i'll get on him to send a patch :) Feb 17 14:54:45 how do I make a package install the sugguested items also Feb 17 14:55:16 so what sort of idle battery life can I expect from the latest Mer? Feb 17 14:56:16 I'd seen mention that there was a wifi power issue but that's been fixed Feb 17 14:56:16 dunno, you tell us :P Feb 17 14:57:47 probably once we can show people the battery meter we can start saying if we have impact :P Feb 17 14:57:53 and powerlaunch active Feb 17 14:58:03 so people can lock their tablets like they use to Feb 17 14:58:07 LG is also launching S60 based phone Feb 17 14:58:25 * RST38h can almost see Ballmer breaking another chair Feb 17 14:58:26 roope, too right they would, they have stroking as an integral part of their devices (even before iphone), they would not want to give it up Feb 17 14:58:55 RST38h: windows mobile has just lost, really. only thing they have going for them is PIM and synchronization really :P Feb 17 14:58:58 * lcuk is in and out randomly so will just reply later ;) Feb 17 14:59:29 Stskeeps, winmo 6.5 looks ok for what it is Feb 17 15:00:29 Sts: Not so fast Feb 17 15:00:50 Sts: WinMo has got HTC and LG as well Feb 17 15:01:24 It does look like Xperia was enough for Sony to figure out why WinMo is not a good idea though =) Feb 17 15:01:32 RST38h, it is worth noting they're not exclusive to winmo though Feb 17 15:01:48 johnx: Who? HTC? Feb 17 15:02:05 both Feb 17 15:02:22 johnx: HTC is pretty much WinMo exclusive Feb 17 15:02:45 johnx: LG is not, but they don't have that many smartphones either Feb 17 15:03:12 Is there any way to adjust the system font size in Mer? Feb 17 15:03:12 yeah, HTC is winmo exclusive except for those android phones Feb 17 15:03:19 and didn't they do designs for Palm? Feb 17 15:03:45 johnx: Not sure about Palm thing, haven't heard about it. Android is more of an exception. Feb 17 15:04:26 * RST38h looks at the source code he has to refactor and sighs heavily Feb 17 15:04:53 so how many phones does it take to move from exception to pattern? Feb 17 15:05:11 Four Feb 17 15:05:13 Four phones. Feb 17 15:05:26 thank you GeneralAntilles for the hard and fast numbers Feb 17 15:06:31 johnx: At least 25% of the total Feb 17 15:06:45 back with food. killed mamonth Feb 17 15:06:58 wow...so...that's kind of an interesting definition of 'exclusive' Feb 17 15:07:12 wazd: that was an elephant who ran from a traveling circus and went native Feb 17 15:07:29 johnx: you perfectly understand what I mean Feb 17 15:07:38 haha Feb 17 15:07:49 johnx: HTC makes WinMo phones. Then Google asks them (and pays) to make an Android phone. They do. Feb 17 15:07:57 then they make a second Feb 17 15:08:06 RST38h: android is awesome :) Feb 17 15:08:07 johnx: And a second one, which they also do Feb 17 15:08:18 go google! Feb 17 15:08:19 haha Feb 17 15:08:29 johnx: Now, if they start making more models on their own, reducing the number of WinMo handsets, that would be a trend Feb 17 15:08:46 johnx: But so far, it is more like an exception, especially considering that Google asked them Feb 17 15:08:49 isn't htc owned by via? Feb 17 15:08:57 Macer: is it? hmm Feb 17 15:08:59 RST38h, sure, but there's grey area between 'exclusive' and 'trend' Feb 17 15:09:05 http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/17/nvidias-tegra-in-the-flesh-booting-to-android-and-pumping-out/ Feb 17 15:09:05 just sayin'... Feb 17 15:09:07 wow Feb 17 15:09:11 which is owned by an extremely rich tw family Feb 17 15:09:26 johnx: I guess we can somehow define it in terms of percentages or the profit Feb 17 15:09:34 wazd: android is great :) Feb 17 15:09:45 johnx: but we are not editing wikipedia here, so it is not very important Feb 17 15:10:25 or we can say that HTC used to be exclusively WinMo, but now they're not and a certain Steve from Redmond is probably pissed Feb 17 15:11:12 johnx: He would be even more pissed if they just switched their Touch line to Android Feb 17 15:11:27 well, only time will tell Feb 17 15:11:37 So far, I am sure it is more like an annoyance to Stevie Feb 17 15:12:03 yeah, but he's kind of an ... uhm ... excitable guy Feb 17 15:12:05 i don't really like winmo anyways Feb 17 15:12:20 in other news: neat to see some of the nVidia's Tegra concept devices Feb 17 15:12:41 Macer: well, tegra is great :) Feb 17 15:12:47 touch screen is not very responsive on the left side :) Feb 17 15:12:58 wazd: so w/ android on it.. it will be even greater Feb 17 15:12:59 haha Feb 17 15:13:05 androffice needs to come out already Feb 17 15:13:20 i also need to check and see if there has been a fw update since i last updated Feb 17 15:13:24 * RST38h does not see what is so exciting about android, it is just another java platform Feb 17 15:13:25 once you root the g1 it is a beast Feb 17 15:13:43 is there a howto for enabling wireless networking in Mer? Google's not helping much Feb 17 15:13:58 RST38h: you have an android phone? Feb 17 15:14:07 my laptop actually lags a bit showing tegra showing 1080p video :D Feb 17 15:14:08 Phoodus, what happens if you click the 'plug' icon in the status bar? Feb 17 15:14:53 johnx: argh, thanks. I thought that was for wired, since it's the same icon as deblet, or the config's DSL icon Feb 17 15:15:26 Macer: no. should I? Feb 17 15:15:45 yes.. it's good :) Feb 17 15:16:12 Macer: how is it better than an S60 phone? Feb 17 15:16:27 less dated interface like symbian Feb 17 15:16:28 RST38h: It's android! How dare you! Feb 17 15:16:39 symbian needs a new look Feb 17 15:16:43 Macer: I am used to S60 UI, it is ok with me Feb 17 15:16:46 and better interface Feb 17 15:17:00 i am too. i have an n95.. but it still sucks as an interface compared to android Feb 17 15:17:01 * RST38h can operate S60 with one hand. Is it possible to do with Android? Feb 17 15:17:14 depends on the phone Feb 17 15:17:25 Tegra is shit. Feb 17 15:17:26 There is only 1 Android phone on the market right now Feb 17 15:17:32 All current interfaces are outdated now Feb 17 15:17:33 Linux support == Android Feb 17 15:17:35 So, is it possible to operate G1 with one hand? Feb 17 15:17:43 Tegra is way behind the curve now, anyway. Feb 17 15:17:46 ARM11 Feb 17 15:17:54 not yet. ;) although probably Feb 17 15:18:03 i'm not sure if they've made an onscreen touch keyboard Feb 17 15:18:06 General: Tegra is Nvidia's vidoe hw + a random ARM core they slapped in Feb 17 15:18:12 you can other than typing i suppose Feb 17 15:18:16 General: So, don't be too harsh on them Feb 17 15:18:18 GeneralAntilles, eh. kinda. I wonder what kind of 3D support they have in Android Feb 17 15:18:24 and even then.. if you're good.. then yes :) Feb 17 15:18:38 Macer: I can operate E70 with one hand even if I am bad Feb 17 15:18:54 Macer: it may look dull and dated but it does the job Feb 17 15:18:56 The thing with WH is that eventually their gains will come to just about any SW platform. Feb 17 15:19:11 i suppose.. but all android would need is an onscreen touch kb Feb 17 15:19:15 I don't see the advantage to Tegra over OMAP. Feb 17 15:19:18 and there you go... gets the job done :) Feb 17 15:19:27 and looks better in the process Feb 17 15:19:32 General: Probably in 3D features, but we have no details on these yet Feb 17 15:19:36 symbian looks like it is straight out of 1990 Feb 17 15:19:47 GeneralAntilles, then don't look at as Tegra vs OMAP3. I think they're trying to compete a little more downmarket Feb 17 15:19:49 General: because both ImageTec and Nvidia are so damn secretive Feb 17 15:19:52 I'd love to see TI shipping that ARM GPU on the OMAP4 Feb 17 15:19:57 Macer: who cares how it looks) Feb 17 15:20:04 any gstreamer gurus about? Feb 17 15:20:05 Tegra has a good price offering, as far as I can tell. Feb 17 15:20:14 wazd: windows 3.1 got the job done Feb 17 15:20:14 Macer: I do not think Android will do my job done Feb 17 15:20:15 :) Feb 17 15:20:18 Macer: all blig-blig stuff goes away after a week Feb 17 15:20:25 johnx, well, they're talking about MIDs. Feb 17 15:20:31 and they aint shipping no OMAP2s in MIDs. ;) Feb 17 15:20:32 bling-bling I mean) Feb 17 15:20:35 Macer: touchscreen is inherently more difficult to operate, no native apps, etc Feb 17 15:20:53 General: There are MIPS-based cheap MIDs Feb 17 15:20:59 GeneralAntilles, well a certain company has been competing in the MID market with an OMAP2... Feb 17 15:21:00 johnx, most of my negative reactions are in respond to inane fanboism. Feb 17 15:21:07 General: However slow that Tegra may be, it will run circles around poor MIPS Feb 17 15:21:17 RST38h: all i can say is i had an n95.. i loved it... now i have a g1 (and the n95 still) and i like my g1 more Feb 17 15:21:25 johnx, yeah, in 2007, now they're moving on. Feb 17 15:21:26 Ask any sane iPhone user, all excitement bout supersmooth scrolling going away very soon Feb 17 15:21:29 GeneralAntilles, that's fair. It's hilarious on the pandora forums "Will the next Pandora have something super awesome like a tegra?!" Feb 17 15:22:23 When Tegra finally comes, then there will be the Tegra2, or the Tigra, or whatever, and people will be like "oh this Tegra is crap, I want the Tigra". Feb 17 15:22:28 if you aren't driving your car trying to txt with one hand ... and you are sitting down and actually using your phone... the g1 is better to use than the n95 Feb 17 15:22:32 I guess the Tegra's speed will depend on how well NV can get things shifted onto the GPU Feb 17 15:22:35 they should be asking if the "current" pandora will be shipped before the 2012 olympics Feb 17 15:23:05 qwerty12_N800: :) Feb 17 15:23:16 qwerty12_N800: befor apocatypse in 2025) Feb 17 15:23:19 qwerty12_N800, probably just shipped before an N900 announcement :> Feb 17 15:23:40 hehe Feb 17 15:24:17 wazd: I think opening the box containing it will cause the apocalypse Feb 17 15:24:22 'we invested all your money in n900s so we can bathe in them Feb 17 15:24:43 StsN802, ha! Feb 17 15:25:00 eh, I'll tell you how Maemo5 runs on it once I get mine :P Feb 17 15:25:17 johnx: any more progress on shipping dates then? Feb 17 15:25:27 me wishes that a clamshell with a more real keyboard like the Jornada 720 was still being made :-P Feb 17 15:25:35 lardman, well, there's an update on the official blog Feb 17 15:25:39 StsN802, now we need to talk Nokia into a photo op. . . . Feb 17 15:25:56 Phoodus: yeah, Jornada + updates innards (or dare I say Psion 5 + updated innards! ;)) Feb 17 15:26:00 Phoodus: sony p Feb 17 15:26:03 lardman, not exactly great news, but at least things are solidifying into a real product Feb 17 15:26:23 johnx, "You silly fuckers! You thought you were gonna get something for your money, didn't you? Ha ha!" Feb 17 15:26:25 ? Feb 17 15:26:33 johnx: update about fiddling with key mat, sounds like waffle, something I understood had been done long ago, only to find out they'd not done it Feb 17 15:26:51 wazd: yeah, kinda big for a handheld/pocketable though Feb 17 15:27:04 "Hello I'm the Pandora Creator, I'm writing you from the Carribeans" :) Feb 17 15:27:13 GeneralAntilles, more like "everything's pretty much waiting on the final case, then we're good to go" Feb 17 15:27:15 johnx: sorry am pretty cynical now, after all the rubbish excuses and the final straw - no CC Feb 17 15:27:27 GeneralAntilles: I'm out now anyway Feb 17 15:27:41 lardman, it's been a bumpy ride for sure. Feb 17 15:27:44 at least they seemed to be transparent about things after they knew what was going on Feb 17 15:28:05 out of curiosity, has anyone else been part of a co-op or 'group buy' before? Feb 17 15:28:25 johnx: btw, what does this mean? : Subalashii asaga akelu Feb 17 15:30:00 wazd, have any context for me? Feb 17 15:30:08 amazing, I emailed the council about potholes 30min ago and they have already responded to say they'll send someone to look at them Feb 17 15:30:15 what is the world coming to?! Feb 17 15:30:22 lardman, the maemo.org council? Feb 17 15:30:23 Subalashii asaga akelu Feb 17 15:30:23 Yoakega yobikakelu Feb 17 15:30:23 Kokorono izumiga wakidelu Feb 17 15:30:23 Yumeno yo Feb 17 15:30:26 xD Feb 17 15:30:30 lardman: hah, try that in london... Feb 17 15:30:36 johnx: no local council :) Feb 17 15:30:49 wazd, was hoping for some clue in English :P Feb 17 15:30:57 is this from a song? Feb 17 15:31:01 lardman: Where is it? Feb 17 15:31:03 johnx: yep Feb 17 15:31:20 do you have it in Japanese (instead of latin characters)? Feb 17 15:31:29 * RST38h feeds it to google Feb 17 15:31:35 johnx: maybe I can ggogle for translation) Feb 17 15:31:45 johnx: nope( Feb 17 15:32:06 No doughnut Feb 17 15:32:21 wazd, the part you gave me is something like 'the excellent north is open' (40% confidence in correctness) Feb 17 15:32:44 s/is open/opens/ ... maybe? Feb 17 15:32:52 wazd: I have found it Feb 17 15:33:00 wazd: a moment Feb 17 15:33:23 it translates into "Your hair is on fire. Eat some pie." Feb 17 15:33:24 Here comes splendid morning Feb 17 15:33:25 exact translation: Take off! To the Great White North Feb 17 15:33:31 wazd: http://pohodar.com/preklady/FreddieMercury_Japonaise.htm Feb 17 15:33:35 Dawn is calling Feb 17 15:33:43 http://www.queencollector.com/Lyrics/japon.htm Feb 17 15:33:50 :) Thanks anyway) Feb 17 15:34:37 heh Feb 17 15:35:00 that's kind of a high level translation on that page Feb 17 15:35:29 is there any real issue with giving myself half a gig of swap instead of limiting it to around the mem size? Feb 17 15:35:42 johnx: low-level is 0001010101 :) Feb 17 15:36:01 wazd: 0x55 is not a letter Feb 17 15:36:13 wait, not it is a capital letter =) Feb 17 15:36:16 RST38h: goddamn! Nerd alert! xD Feb 17 15:36:20 hehehe Feb 17 15:37:09 * Phoodus is not familiar with 10-bit character encodings ;-P Feb 17 15:38:01 disregard leading zeros Feb 17 15:38:44 Phoodus, there's little point. Feb 17 15:38:58 By the time you're swapping that much, the system is going to be slowed to zero. Feb 17 15:39:06 Phoodus: There are conflicting views out there regarding what is ideal swap size. :) Feb 17 15:39:10 I always wondered how processor defins where's the space in the symbol) Feb 17 15:39:17 I mean in 010101 row0 Feb 17 15:39:26 defines* Feb 17 15:39:40 With slow ass flash, 1:1 to RAM is pushing it sometimes. Feb 17 15:39:55 Phoodus, it won't hurt Feb 17 15:39:59 it all depends on the workload Feb 17 15:40:24 if you run a lot of things that load huge amounts of data and don't use it it should be fine Feb 17 15:42:48 wazd, ok, I was wrong on north, but literally 'excellent dawn opens' Feb 17 15:43:30 * Phoodus 's n800 is thrashing doing the LXDE apt install Feb 17 15:45:09 ahaha...and translate.google.com suggests that I "Open a beautiful morning" :) Feb 17 15:47:40 johnx: oh) Feb 17 15:47:46 RST38h: sorry for the delay, Bath, UK Feb 17 15:48:10 johnx: japaneese language is pretty complex :) Feb 17 15:48:31 wazd, eh...it's just different really Feb 17 15:48:53 spanish <-> english usually works pretty well with literal translation Feb 17 15:49:29 but Japanese <-> English can be done at a literal level (like I did) or a high level (translating the intent) Feb 17 15:50:36 * Stskeeps ponders idly on iTT with the university professor with professor farnsworth as avatar.. Feb 17 15:52:51 Hehe Feb 17 15:53:13 hmm, can someone grab the VMDK and verify the Enter fix works? my rdesktop might be a bit biased since i am rdesktopping from a Mer device.. Feb 17 15:53:26 * johnx downloads Feb 17 15:56:23 hmm, not sure about Google's tanslation of the Spanish te into English te (?!) Feb 17 15:58:12 it can be a little rough :) Feb 17 15:58:13 qwerty12: is powerlunch in user/ btw? Feb 17 15:59:08 Stskeeps, yes, user/system Feb 17 15:59:15 qgil_afk: ping Feb 17 15:59:32 The mer2 version is a lot better but jaiku wont let me build it, so you're stuck with mer1 ;) Feb 17 15:59:35 lardman: unbelievabale, maybe city council is planning to fire the road maintenance company? =) Feb 17 16:00:49 RST38h: well my car suspension will be happy to not have huge potholes to drive over, let's hope that actually do something about it or I'll be out at 3 in the morning with some tarmacadam and a spade :) Feb 17 16:01:04 Hi guys, is it possible to add an icon to the system tray in Fremantle, if yes what api should I use Feb 17 16:01:25 Pradeeptk: same as usual (afaik) Feb 17 16:01:40 but we will know more in alpha and beta sdk Feb 17 16:01:49 we'll know with the release of the alpha sdk Feb 17 16:02:01 or at least we'll know the api Feb 17 16:03:04 I tried GtkStatusIcon and no effect Feb 17 16:03:27 fremantle pre-alpha sdk is a bit weird testing applications in :P Feb 17 16:03:59 I agree Feb 17 16:04:17 anyway thanks for your help guys Feb 17 16:15:21 hello world Feb 17 16:15:24 when i vote for something Feb 17 16:15:27 it gives me a token Feb 17 16:15:36 does the page tell me in which ellection i just voted? Feb 17 16:16:13 how do you launch onboard in lxde? Feb 17 16:16:34 is lxde part of maemo? Feb 17 16:16:41 * timeless sounds like a broken record Feb 17 16:16:52 it's another window manager, on top of Mer Feb 17 16:17:32 and I seem to be at a catch 22 in the install steps, needing to type in stuff to run the network setup, so that I can copy app icons over to enable onboard :-P Feb 17 16:18:08 ssh :> Feb 17 16:18:25 Ah, to run the network setup >.< Feb 17 16:19:05 write a deb which does what you want Feb 17 16:19:15 and then stick it on a mmc card Feb 17 16:19:27 then all you have to do is use filemanager/browser/appication manager to open it Feb 17 16:19:47 jeremiah: where were we/ :) Feb 17 16:22:35 Stskeeps, s/Maemo Extras/Extras/g Feb 17 16:23:21 wanted to make sure it isn't Mer Extras Feb 17 16:23:38 maemo.org Extras then Feb 17 16:24:30 k, will fix when done watching House? Feb 17 16:24:37 -? Feb 17 16:24:53 Stskeeps, meh, just informing you for the future. ;) Feb 17 16:25:06 is valerio here on irc ? Feb 17 16:25:06 * GeneralAntilles kicks the Community Highlights out the door. Feb 17 16:25:22 GeneralAntilles, so what is the 'Extras' policy on armv5te compatiblity? Feb 17 16:25:25 (don't know if he uses irc, or his nick if he does) Feb 17 16:25:36 lfelipe, VDVsx? Feb 17 16:26:31 qwerty12, I'm here Feb 17 16:27:06 VDVsx, I think lfelipe wants you (at least I think you are the only Valerio here :)) Feb 17 16:27:22 qwerty12, yup,thanks Feb 17 16:27:33 qwerty12: talking to him already, thanks :) Feb 17 16:27:40 :) Feb 17 16:28:02 johnx, is there one? ;) Feb 17 16:29:06 johnx, anyway, it sounds like a good opportunity to figure it out. Feb 17 16:29:07 GeneralAntilles, well, apps targetted at chinook/diablo OS2008 extras could expect an armv6 and a vfp. apps targeted at being run in Mer should run on an armv5te w/o vfp Feb 17 16:29:14 johnx, it's up to the packager/developer, I use "ifneq (,$(findstring vfp,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)))\n CFLAGS += -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mtune=arm1136jf-s \nendif" in my extras packages. I'm pretty sure that those packages won't run on a 770 Feb 17 16:29:43 or a zaurus or a pocketloox Feb 17 16:30:25 But if I'm being honest, when I upload to Extras, I'm thinking about a N8x0 running diablo/chinook - not a 770 using a hackers edition or Mer Feb 17 16:31:14 "armel" isn't really specific enough Feb 17 16:32:01 yeah. ubuntu and debian already target different CPUs and call the packages 'armel' Feb 17 16:32:24 And, as a dev, I'd want to upload a single package and have the auto-builder deal with the processor flags (unless I know they cause problems) Feb 17 16:33:51 maybe expecting direct usage of extras binary packages Feb 17 16:33:54 is Feb 17 16:34:02 a bit too much Feb 17 16:35:27 StsN800: I think it should be a primary goal for N8x0 hardware; or some solution to the problem found Feb 17 16:35:31 Maybe an auto-rebuilder :) Feb 17 16:35:51 hmm...as a fallback for packages that won't be/can't be rebuilt it makes sense Feb 17 16:36:59 Jaffa, as for uploading a single source package I think that is definitely an achievable goal Feb 17 16:37:17 or trying to grab all extras packages and build them Feb 17 16:37:36 I've also been looking at that a little bit Feb 17 16:38:16 and make a % of compatibility Feb 17 16:39:50 anyways, I should make xfbdev work right on the zaurus so there's more of a purpose to having good armv5te support :) Feb 17 16:42:57 hehe Feb 17 16:43:39 enter works just fine Feb 17 16:43:54 I notice enter stopped working on my zaurus though if I killed h-i-m Feb 17 16:44:12 man, there are a lot of issues with onboard Feb 17 16:44:35 any other onscreen keyboards to try? Feb 17 16:45:06 matchbox-keyboard, and xvkb (I think) come to mind Feb 17 16:45:27 k, I'll give them a try Feb 17 16:45:29 but this is one of the bigger reasons I threw in the towel on my hacked up version of debian Feb 17 16:45:47 johnx, if you could answer to ta-t3 then about enter Feb 17 16:45:51 the weird thing is that the Enter key doesn't work in onboard. Kind of makes it useless :-P Feb 17 16:46:20 StsN800, will do Feb 17 16:46:51 Phoodus, remove HIM plugin from gtk Feb 17 16:47:25 StsN800: how? Feb 17 16:50:29 /etc/gtksomething/something.immodules Feb 17 16:55:19 mmm...bluetooth over wifi looks hot Feb 17 16:57:32 bluetooth over wifi? .. Feb 17 16:57:55 technically 'bluetooth alternate mac/phy' Feb 17 16:58:48 the bluetooth stack keeps a list of alternate systems for bulk transfer and then the two devices use bt to handshake and agree on the transfer system, and wifi for bulk data Feb 17 16:58:57 s/systems/transports Feb 17 16:59:37 ah Feb 17 16:59:50 * Stskeeps installs powerlaunch Feb 17 17:00:02 http://i.gizmodo.com/5154863/bluetooth-over-wi+fi-zoomtastic-speed-shocks-our-pants-off Feb 17 17:00:25 Stskeeps, install the mer2 version when jaiku fucking lets me write "build powerlaunch" >.< Feb 17 17:01:39 heh Feb 17 17:01:47 "Now press F0 15" Feb 17 17:02:10 That's why I did a workaround in mer2 :) Feb 17 17:04:26 johnx, may I give you a midori patch that gives midori proper keybindings (fullscreen, zoom and back) for N800 only if it is building for armel Feb 17 17:04:29 *? Feb 17 17:05:14 qwerty12, yeah. I'll do a new build and enable some other stuff too Feb 17 17:05:38 johnx, cool, http://pastebin.com/m5a93b83d Feb 17 17:24:14 I'm a bit surprised Engadget's not covering OMAP4. Feb 17 17:49:18 hmm, in desktop Ubuntu, there's an option for "Password dialogs as normal windows" Feb 17 17:49:39 which is what people use to get onscreen keyboard to work for GUI sudo password prompts Feb 17 17:49:45 it's a gconf option Feb 17 17:50:04 I just looked through my gconf dump and didn't see it... Feb 17 17:50:21 I remember toggling it in deblet somewhere... Feb 17 17:54:14 found it: /apps/gksu/disable-grab Feb 17 17:58:05 why am I getting the masochistic impulse to install Eclipse? Feb 17 18:00:36 why does Ballmer look like a sociopath in every photo he's in? Feb 17 18:02:02 'cause he is? Feb 17 18:02:26 but...you think someone would coach him on how to look sane for press shots Feb 17 18:02:37 http://i.gizmodo.com/5154335/lg-signed-up-to-make-50thats-fiftywindows-mobile-phones Feb 17 18:03:12 like "if they pull out cameras: hide your face with your hands" Feb 17 18:03:34 "You have soft hands" Feb 17 18:04:06 that LG guy looks vaguely terrified Feb 17 18:04:29 "We're shipping your shitty OS. Please don't kill me." Feb 17 18:05:00 more like "sweet jesus...where did I go wrong to end up in this situation?" Feb 17 18:09:15 When they say 50, I hope they don't mean 50 models Feb 17 18:09:22 why do they need to have so many models.. Feb 17 18:09:48 shotgun approach Feb 17 18:09:50 so they can put a different version of windows 7 Feb 17 18:09:55 on each model Feb 17 18:10:25 keep shooting and eventually you'll hit ... something? maybe a tree? maybe your hunting partner? Feb 17 18:10:36 * lcuk dies in the corner from shivers and coughing Feb 17 18:10:42 oh noes! Feb 17 18:10:50 apply bacon liberally! Feb 17 18:11:06 lcuk, is mrs. lcuk taking good care of you? Feb 17 18:11:54 ha! might have the tslib stuff tracked down Feb 17 18:14:08 mrs lcuk took care of me at first Feb 17 18:14:26 now she is starting to get it herself Feb 17 18:14:31 eep Feb 17 18:14:32 i thought i was done Feb 17 18:14:36 always happens :/ Feb 17 18:14:47 but this morning all the green stuff had hardened into some sort of alien cement Feb 17 18:16:04 * lcuk was very late for work and spent the day being v poorly Feb 17 18:16:11 * lcuk is in bed now Feb 17 18:16:23 cyas later Feb 17 18:16:28 later lcuk Feb 17 18:16:29 hang in there Feb 17 18:23:57 hey folks Feb 17 19:02:59 N810 just arrived Feb 17 19:03:10 missing the Get started guide and Safety, warranty and other product information booklet Feb 17 19:03:20 worth insisting he ship me, or useless? Feb 17 19:04:47 luke-jr: grats :) Feb 17 19:05:10 Well, warranty is worth I think, if it's still active Feb 17 19:05:40 all documentation is duplicated on the device in .pdf format Feb 17 19:07:10 wow Feb 17 19:07:15 the kb lights up Feb 17 19:07:35 luke-jr: sure) Feb 17 19:07:49 think I should do a fresh flash? Feb 17 19:08:55 wtf, how do I get to a cmd line? :/ Feb 17 19:09:14 X terminal in the menu... Feb 17 19:09:35 ah, scroll Feb 17 19:09:55 best way to do a complete backup? Feb 17 19:10:30 wtf, no tab key ☹ Feb 17 19:10:57 yes Feb 17 19:11:02 also no | key :) Feb 17 19:11:08 :/ Feb 17 19:11:30 what's def pass? Feb 17 19:11:38 There isn't one Feb 17 19:11:46 sudo wants one :/ Feb 17 19:11:48 grab rootsh from extras Feb 17 19:12:03 install sudser for sudo Feb 17 19:12:05 I don't want to modify ANYTHING until I backup Feb 17 19:12:21 by default you can't gain root Feb 17 19:12:27 -.- Feb 17 19:12:35 Good luck getting root then :rolleyes: Feb 17 19:12:47 luke-jr: if you didn't install anything, the contents is == the firmware images you can dl Feb 17 19:13:02 what of this Backup/Restore applet? Feb 17 19:13:08 Stskeeps: it's used ;) Feb 17 19:13:14 ah Feb 17 19:13:21 then just use backup/restore i guess Feb 17 19:13:44 still though, the first thing you ought to do is flash it to latest release :P Feb 17 19:13:59 hmm Feb 17 19:14:05 no memory card.. Feb 17 19:14:14 n810? Feb 17 19:14:17 it should have an internal one Feb 17 19:14:32 moo all Feb 17 19:14:37 I want to back that up too Feb 17 19:14:47 the internal 2 gig "memory card" isn't touched by reflashing the tablet, afaik Feb 17 19:14:49 connect device to usb, so Feb 17 19:15:14 then you can copy the fs Feb 17 19:15:20 o rly? Feb 17 19:15:47 wtf, non-standard USB? :/ Feb 17 19:16:36 I hope the cable wasn't left out too Feb 17 19:16:38 micro USB is standard Feb 17 19:16:58 johnx: I have a standard USB cable with the device end almost the same size Feb 17 19:17:07 why the heck are there two standards on the same size? Feb 17 19:17:24 micro is smaller than mini Feb 17 19:17:51 the one I'm referring to is les than a mm diff Feb 17 19:18:16 ok Feb 17 19:18:34 so how do I install this sudo thing Feb 17 19:18:54 really, just get rootsh from extras Feb 17 19:18:56 ~extras Feb 17 19:18:58 it has been said that extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Feb 17 19:19:02 then type: root Feb 17 19:19:22 Maemo got a netbook useable port yet? Feb 17 19:19:29 specificly the aspire one Feb 17 19:19:44 Tenkawa: you might want to look at Mer Feb 17 19:20:33 i am running Mer, right now, on a VIA C3 laptop, so :P Feb 17 19:20:35 ~mer Feb 17 19:20:36 extra, extra, read all about it, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Feb 17 19:20:39 Stskeeps: reading Feb 17 19:20:43 thanks Feb 17 19:20:52 I really like maemo on my nokia n800 Feb 17 19:21:17 wireless drivers are my concern Feb 17 19:21:56 thanks for the info Feb 17 19:21:57 bbl Feb 17 19:22:12 hi does anyone know why mplayer processes do not terminate in the terminal? Feb 17 19:22:18 when playing a wav file? Feb 17 19:22:25 so on USB, sdc is the internal flash? Feb 17 19:22:41 any access to the ROM-style flash? Feb 17 19:22:51 ssh Feb 17 19:23:42 and how did I just mount that FAT partition if the tablet is using it? :/ Feb 17 19:23:49 magic Feb 17 19:23:59 !!! Feb 17 19:24:20 anyone use Xchat successfully? Feb 17 19:24:33 luke-jr, the tablet probably isn't using it now :) Feb 17 19:24:44 Davide, yup. I'm a big fan of Xchat :) Feb 17 19:24:55 hey omg maybe you can help me I'm desperate LOL Feb 17 19:25:01 are you able to use sounds? Feb 17 19:25:03 sound alerts? Feb 17 19:26:01 sorry. I don't use sound alerts for my chat/irc stuff. first thing I turn off/disable even on the desktop :( Feb 17 19:26:27 oh Feb 17 19:26:29 :( Feb 17 19:26:37 I cant get that feature to work. Feb 17 19:27:30 * qwerty12_mer had them working using an mp3 enabled 'play' from sox but was in a past reflash... Feb 17 19:27:42 I tried using "external player" and using mplayer Feb 17 19:27:53 but mplayer starts a process with each sound, and it never terminates Feb 17 19:27:58 and it uses up all the cpu Feb 17 19:28:16 I was wondering how to get xchat to look at the standard media player Feb 17 19:28:33 what would be the path for the standard media player that I would put in there? Feb 17 19:29:57 ./Video/Anna Abreu - End of Love.avi <-- standard on N810? Feb 17 19:30:07 nope Feb 17 19:30:26 dumpster diving :) Feb 17 19:30:48 doesnt it need the path to the player? Feb 17 19:30:50 guess I get special extras Feb 17 19:31:15 luke-jr: It came on mine... Feb 17 19:31:19 for example for mplayer I put: /usr/bin/mplayer Feb 17 19:31:20 o Feb 17 19:31:24 I axed it. Feb 17 19:31:28 Davide, I don't think he was answering your question Feb 17 19:31:35 oh ok Feb 17 19:31:43 sorry I'm so self centered :D Feb 17 19:31:51 Stupid videos are even less useful than user manuals in Russian to me. Feb 17 19:31:53 no worries :) Feb 17 19:32:07 but anyhow anyone have any idea? Feb 17 19:32:22 Davide, is sox available for os2008? Feb 17 19:32:26 is it possible to control the Standard Media Player from another program? Feb 17 19:32:29 idk Feb 17 19:32:32 not in the repositories Feb 17 19:32:47 not the regular maemo repositories at least Feb 17 19:32:53 where would I look for it? Feb 17 19:33:18 huh...I see it here Feb 17 19:33:24 let's see what repo it is Feb 17 19:33:35 oh? Feb 17 19:33:38 let me check Feb 17 19:33:40 its called sox Feb 17 19:33:42 just like that? Feb 17 19:33:48 yup Feb 17 19:34:17 nope Feb 17 19:34:20 wait Feb 17 19:34:24 are you in red pill mode? Feb 17 19:34:32 I used apt-get Feb 17 19:34:49 Woo, I got an idea! Feb 17 19:34:54 remind me how that command works? sorry I'm not linux savvy! Feb 17 19:35:11 apt-cache policy sox Feb 17 19:35:17 do I have to be in root? Feb 17 19:35:21 yup Feb 17 19:35:26 so first type: root Feb 17 19:35:38 then just try apt-get install sox Feb 17 19:35:57 yup. it's in extras Feb 17 19:36:18 could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock etc... Feb 17 19:36:29 you have application manager running :) Feb 17 19:36:41 oh haha yes Feb 17 19:37:03 two package managers running at the same time would be 'not cool' Feb 17 19:37:18 how do I get ssh? :/ Feb 17 19:37:27 it's called openssh-server Feb 17 19:37:34 it's in extras Feb 17 19:37:38 Warning: the following packages cannot be authenticated! Feb 17 19:37:39 sox Feb 17 19:37:44 Install without verification? Feb 17 19:37:45 yes? Feb 17 19:37:50 Davide, that's ok. hit y Feb 17 19:38:06 unpaking Feb 17 19:38:07 sweet Feb 17 19:38:16 so why does it not find it through the app manager? Feb 17 19:38:46 because packages that are not in user/ may hurt and cut users.. Feb 17 19:38:47 :P Feb 17 19:38:59 well there's like a dozen low-level 'not really end-user friendly' packages for every friendly GUI package Feb 17 19:39:05 oh Feb 17 19:39:12 * Stskeeps personally believes in darwinism when it comes to packages choice, but so it goes. Feb 17 19:39:21 man I gotta hang out with you guys more! Feb 17 19:39:33 hm Feb 17 19:39:40 my battery monitor icon disappeared :/ Feb 17 19:39:55 gan: could you get someone to fix bug 4129 ? Feb 17 19:39:57 luke-jr, did you run out of space while installing something? Feb 17 19:40:05 johnx: I hope not? Feb 17 19:40:12 ok so how do Imake it look at sox? Feb 17 19:40:13 openssh install is hanging tho Feb 17 19:40:19 or make xchat use sox? Feb 17 19:40:22 Davide: sox is illegal Feb 17 19:40:24 luke-jr: it generates dsa and rsa keys Feb 17 19:40:26 it takes time Feb 17 19:40:38 luke-jr, what? Feb 17 19:40:43 huh? Feb 17 19:40:49 don't believe me, go read the licenses ;) Feb 17 19:40:57 Davide, same way as using mplayer: sox /media/mmc2/my-file.wav Feb 17 19:40:59 redistribution of sox is not permitted as a whole Feb 17 19:41:18 timeless, I already voted, so I can't confirm but doesn't the "Voting requirements for future Maemo Community Council elections" line tell you what you're voting in? Feb 17 19:41:26 luke: why? Feb 17 19:41:30 in particular, gsm support (not optional) included is not legally copyable Feb 17 19:41:40 there is no license granted to copy it Feb 17 19:41:41 ah shit Feb 17 19:42:25 so it cannot be shared? Feb 17 19:42:29 :{ Feb 17 19:42:52 luke-jr, since you've got such a thing for license pedantry, try not to throw around the term "illegal" too much. Feb 17 19:42:54 not legally unless you strip gsm out Feb 17 19:43:00 luke-jr, I'm not sure you totally understand the meaning. Feb 17 19:43:31 err Feb 17 19:43:36 * johnx sighs Feb 17 19:43:42 can I get the terminal autocomplete to NOT show my SSH password? :/ Feb 17 19:43:44 Davide, don't worry about it too much Feb 17 19:43:53 you have terminal autocomplete? :P Feb 17 19:44:02 luke-jr: tap and hold, remove Feb 17 19:44:02 it was on already ;p Feb 17 19:44:04 luke-jr, they fixed it in the new version of the terminal that you don't want to upgrade to Feb 17 19:44:13 luke-jr: newer version... Feb 17 19:44:30 ugh Feb 17 19:44:36 Zaurus kb was so much better ☹ Feb 17 19:44:46 benson++ Feb 17 19:44:50 yeah, but sharp hates us more than nokia hates us Feb 17 19:44:54 how do I press Home? Feb 17 19:45:04 the swap button Feb 17 19:45:04 O_o Feb 17 19:45:15 wtf? Feb 17 19:45:25 or whatever the icon is on n810 Feb 17 19:45:28 luke-jr, do you have an n810 or n800? Feb 17 19:45:35 * Stskeeps owns a n800 but would also love a n810 donation. :P Feb 17 19:45:35 luke-jr: upper button on the left edge Feb 17 19:45:50 n810 = two boxes left of the screen, n800 = picture of a house Feb 17 19:45:53 that opens some menu Feb 17 19:45:56 johnx: 810 Feb 17 19:45:58 Heh, looks like Nokia released TWO similar phones with qwerty: E75 *and* XpressMusic 5730 Feb 17 19:46:07 Why would they do it? Feb 17 19:46:23 RST38h, the mysteries of marketing Feb 17 19:46:26 well instead of playing it gives me a hge list like a help file Feb 17 19:46:33 luke-jr, yes, it opens the app switching menu Feb 17 19:46:53 RST38h: saves development costs over two different phones. Feb 17 19:47:13 what would I type to make it just play the file Feb 17 19:47:24 johnx: but I want to press Home… Feb 17 19:47:28 Davide, where is your file and exactly what did you type? also: remember that it's case SenSitiVe :) Feb 17 19:47:29 the key Feb 17 19:47:41 mtdblock0 contains the others, right? Feb 17 19:47:55 I typed: sox /media/mmc1/xchat/help01.wav Feb 17 19:48:30 Davide: play is the version of sox that goes to output. Feb 17 19:48:45 so I type play /media/mmc1/xchat/help01.wav Feb 17 19:48:46 ? Feb 17 19:48:49 Yes Feb 17 19:48:51 oh Feb 17 19:49:00 Davide, ah. sorry about that. been years since I used sox :( Feb 17 19:49:04 benson: but it is essentially the same phone, even mechanically Feb 17 19:49:21 (If you don't have play, sox can do it, but you need some options to tell it about the output.) Feb 17 19:49:28 johnx: Ah, don't tell me they are going to try "software differentiation" again :) Feb 17 19:49:41 RST38h: sure, saves _lots_ of development costs. Feb 17 19:50:04 RST38h, meh. just marketing differentiation: a new coat of paint, different posters in bus stops and a different background image :) Feb 17 19:50:40 hey, just wanna say I love you guys! Feb 17 19:50:46 thank you so much Feb 17 19:50:54 you just made my day! Feb 17 19:50:56 Davide, glad it's working for you :) Feb 17 19:51:01 it works! Feb 17 19:51:03 :D Feb 17 19:51:34 so when we message you on IRC your tablet screams 'help!'? :P Feb 17 19:51:39 haha Feb 17 19:51:47 almost! Feb 17 19:52:13 any way to get a full internal-MTD-flash backup? Feb 17 19:52:15 hey let me ask you this is there a way to make xchat respond to a trigger for example a certain string? Feb 17 19:52:23 luke-jr, mtdutils Feb 17 19:52:24 luke-jr: kinda complicated topic really Feb 17 19:52:30 johnx: you might be familiar with Zaurus NAND backups? Feb 17 19:52:35 that's kinda what I want ;) Feb 17 19:52:42 luke-jr, I never used them Feb 17 19:52:45 and respond with a sound? whenever a string is detected? Feb 17 19:52:53 I think flasher does that, look at the help Feb 17 19:52:56 luke-jr: if you have a long while... set up sd card booting first Feb 17 19:53:28 luke-jr: how come you want to backup it fully anyway? Feb 17 19:53:42 luke-jr, why are you so interested in doing a NAND backup? Nokia distributes the whole thing on their website... Feb 17 19:53:43 Stskeeps: so if I ever want to, I can restore it to exactly how I got it Feb 17 19:54:00 luke-jr: you can reverse it to factory settings by the firmware flashing, really :P Feb 17 19:54:06 you want to keep the previous owner's files? :D Feb 17 19:54:13 factory firmware != used firmware Feb 17 19:54:19 yeah Feb 17 19:54:22 luke-jr: no, but it is the sanest to do in this instance Feb 17 19:54:31 and trust me, i have trashed my internal flash a lot :P Feb 17 19:54:35 Stskeeps: as you said, factory firmware is easy to restore Feb 17 19:54:41 though, what if I brick it? Feb 17 19:54:47 it is very difficult to brick it Feb 17 19:54:49 then it's bricked Feb 17 19:55:03 no de-brick method? ;/ Feb 17 19:55:07 and even if you did have the mtd parts, it would still be difficult to debrick Feb 17 19:55:15 cold flashing Feb 17 19:55:23 Just don't overwrite NOLO. Feb 17 19:55:26 At the moment, nobody outside Nokia knows how to cold-flash it. Feb 17 19:55:28 It's easy to not do. Feb 17 19:55:28 yeah, that's the rule Feb 17 19:55:32 :O Feb 17 19:55:33 benson, orly? Feb 17 19:55:37 luke-jr, the definition of 'brick' is "not recoverable without hardware intervention" Feb 17 19:55:50 the Zaurus had a nice secret boot menu outside flash that could restore a NAND backup Feb 17 19:55:53 benson, build yourself the appropriate serial cable and use the flasher tool. . . . Feb 17 19:56:00 benson: flasher can do. details of the cable are a little sketchy Feb 17 19:56:02 luke-jr, if you can get to that menu your zaurus was not bricked Feb 17 19:56:13 johnx: upgraders never touch that menu Feb 17 19:56:22 luke-jr: basically if you brick initfs, kernel or rootfs, you can restore them Feb 17 19:56:22 Yeah, nobody knows the cable for cold-flashing, right? or does someone? Feb 17 19:56:37 luke-jr: very easy, and we do it constantly Feb 17 19:56:41 benson, there are pinouts on a couple places on the net. Feb 17 19:56:41 luke-jr, well, it's different on the n810, so don't interupt it when it flashes the lowest level bootloader Feb 17 19:56:58 For instance: http://www.bu3sch.de/n810.php Feb 17 19:57:04 how do I know if I "got" extra maps? Feb 17 19:57:16 what does that mean? Feb 17 19:57:23 O.o Maybe I'll think about overclocking then. I thought nobody knew... Feb 17 19:57:33 luke-jr: they'd be on the internal MMC Feb 17 19:57:36 the GPSstuff Feb 17 19:57:43 (afaik) Feb 17 19:57:48 luke: /media/mmc2 Feb 17 19:57:56 and go by filenames from there Feb 17 19:57:57 the FAT? Feb 17 19:58:07 so installing the latest firmware shouldn't touch that? Feb 17 19:58:08 luke-jr: besides that, it is very bloody difficult to screw up a flash :P Feb 17 19:58:10 luke: What are you talking about? Feb 17 19:58:16 luke-jr: yes Feb 17 19:58:19 maps/license for the GPS app Feb 17 19:58:28 no, upgrading firmware will not screw your /media/mmc2 Feb 17 19:58:33 ok Feb 17 19:58:42 how long does the firmware flash take? Feb 17 19:58:46 ~minute Feb 17 19:58:47 [minute] 60 seconds. Feb 17 19:58:52 :D Feb 17 19:58:55 awesome macro Feb 17 19:59:07 ~hour Feb 17 19:59:08 well, hour is 60 minutes or 3,600 seconds. Feb 17 19:59:13 … Feb 17 19:59:15 * johnx claps for infobot. bravo Feb 17 19:59:18 ~666 Feb 17 19:59:18 i heard 666 is Steve Jobs. Feb 17 19:59:23 Ahhahahaha Feb 17 19:59:31 ~777 Feb 17 19:59:32 somebody said 777 was god (me, you and everything else) power over everything, or in unix it's presented in -rwxrwxrwx (full read/write/exec perms for everyone) Feb 17 19:59:53 so how long? Feb 17 19:59:54 ~test Feb 17 19:59:55 Failed! Feb 17 20:00:08 luke-jr, a minute Feb 17 20:00:15 ok Feb 17 20:00:16 roughly Feb 17 20:00:21 hence ~minute Feb 17 20:00:22 GeneralAntilles: That's just for srial console -- I'd got the impression cold-flashing needed a different cable? Feb 17 20:00:43 same port at least Feb 17 20:00:48 Maybe I need to do some more research -- memory's fuzzy. Feb 17 20:00:58 benson, no, they're one and the same. Feb 17 20:01:05 where do I find it? :x Feb 17 20:01:09 * luke-jr stabs Google Feb 17 20:01:13 ~flasher Feb 17 20:01:14 flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Feb 17 20:01:20 Hi there Feb 17 20:01:40 hi gnuton Feb 17 20:01:54 Hei johnx:D Feb 17 20:02:57 gnuton: odd question, did you have to do a lot of changes to Qt to make it build on Maemo, or was it just primarily the 'hildonization' part of Qt? Feb 17 20:03:03 we're considering to build it too so :P Feb 17 20:03:53 Stskeeps: i see my comments did eventually go through >.< :/ Feb 17 20:04:02 qwerty12_N800: builder dying? :P Feb 17 20:04:22 probably will be :p Feb 17 20:04:23 Stskeeps: There are some necessary configure flags and a little patch Feb 17 20:04:28 gnuton: alright Feb 17 20:05:04 * gnuton has a stomac-ache :( Feb 17 20:05:16 * Stskeeps has a math-related headache. Feb 17 20:06:23 Stskeeps: :D Feb 17 20:07:05 * johnx freezes in his own apartment Feb 17 20:07:38 any simple way to find out if I have WiMax edition? Feb 17 20:07:48 luke: bump at the back Feb 17 20:07:49 you don't Feb 17 20:07:50 is your tablet orange-y? Feb 17 20:08:08 johnx: that is what laptops are for - they stay warm! =) Feb 17 20:08:13 eh? Feb 17 20:08:24 luke: black faceplate, black keyboard, bump on the back Feb 17 20:08:37 "Make sure the battery of your tablet is fully charged." -- really required? Feb 17 20:08:48 Sorry to ask, but can't you simply google for n810 wimax edition and look at the image? Feb 17 20:09:03 mmm Feb 17 20:09:03 luke-jr, you're the one worried about bricking it, but sure go ahead and chance it... Feb 17 20:09:13 luke-jr: yeah, its a good thing to do, but the flasher procedure doesn't start when it is in a bad state Feb 17 20:09:20 what is Hacker Edition? Feb 17 20:09:30 you do not need it. Feb 17 20:09:37 luke-jr: 770 related Feb 17 20:09:38 hacked up os2007/8 for the 770 Feb 17 20:09:41 o Feb 17 20:11:18 luke-jr: Once the USB connection for flashing is started, you can put it on the charger. Then the battery doesn't matter... Feb 17 20:11:37 does it charge during flashing? Feb 17 20:11:48 I mean, sure it's plugged in, but ... Feb 17 20:11:50 RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin <-- what I want? Feb 17 20:11:57 yes Feb 17 20:12:02 How can we know what you want? Feb 17 20:12:10 I know what he wants :) Feb 17 20:12:45 luke-jr: since your MAC matched to that firmware, then yes :P Feb 17 20:13:54 erm Feb 17 20:13:57 johnx: I think so, but could be wrong. Never really thought about it... Feb 17 20:14:01 benson, the argument there is that if the power goes out or the charger cable gets removed there might be trouble. Feb 17 20:14:02 Stskeeps: there were multiple options Feb 17 20:14:07 where is the source for 'flasher'? Feb 17 20:14:19 luke-jr, it's closed source Feb 17 20:14:21 luke-jr: closed source, but there is an open alternative, 0xFFFF Feb 17 20:14:22 benson, I doubt it, personally, but better to not risk it considering the consequences if things do go bad. . . . Feb 17 20:14:24 nokia proprietary Feb 17 20:14:35 Stskeeps: 0xFFFF? Feb 17 20:14:38 luke-jr: but you want to use the nokia one really Feb 17 20:14:48 unless you care about freedom Feb 17 20:14:51 I don't run proprietary software on my non-tablets Feb 17 20:15:09 well then you take the risk too :P Feb 17 20:15:26 freedom to tinker = freedom to brick :) Feb 17 20:15:55 is there really a risk? Feb 17 20:15:59 or just a disclaimer? Feb 17 20:16:16 well, there's no risk with the nokia flasher. it's been thoroughly tested Feb 17 20:16:19 yes, because 0xFFFF may not understand correctly the diablo FW's partition data Feb 17 20:16:30 (apologies to pancake if i am wrong) Feb 17 20:17:24 * Stskeeps uses the nokia flasher because he cares about his tablet. Feb 17 20:18:10 The flasher will likely be open source soon enough. Feb 17 20:18:16 * qwerty12_N800 uses it because it's official and couldn't give two shits if the source is there or not Feb 17 20:20:22 backup is taking too long :x Feb 17 20:20:30 we told you Feb 17 20:20:58 here's the thread on 0xFFFF and diablo compatibility: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-December/053680.html Feb 17 20:21:45 johnx: i'm using tar Feb 17 20:22:30 you're tar'ing up / ? Feb 17 20:28:56 johnx: rather, I mount --bind each partition to /tmp/a and tar that Feb 17 20:30:35 in the 2007 sdk, is liblocation suppose to have a dependency (in pkg-config) to libhildon-1? Feb 17 20:35:30 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 17 20:40:10 * gnuton is back. Feb 17 20:49:10 how badly will I break things if I use all the RAM? Feb 17 20:49:35 I made a 13.5 TB tmpfs.. Feb 17 20:49:41 lol, even Engadget is a Tegra fanboy now. . . . Feb 17 20:50:02 So, what is it? Is it just NVIDIA or is it their advertising? Feb 17 20:50:38 luke-jr: you will probably trigger OOM and watchdog.. Feb 17 20:50:40 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 17 20:50:46 fun Feb 17 20:51:07 GeneralAntilles, 1080p on an arm device is somewhat impressive... Feb 17 20:51:20 johnx, if the only thing you're doing is video playback. Feb 17 20:51:43 I'm just wondering why Tegra is enjoying this weird position. Feb 17 20:51:47 When it hasn't even shipped. Feb 17 20:51:51 GeneralAntilles, it gets not-very-technical users attention. doesn't make them fanbois...just easily impressed Feb 17 20:51:58 it's a brand recognition thing Feb 17 20:52:31 same idea behind ferarri (sp?) laptops Feb 17 20:53:32 johnx, but 1080 on a modified graphics card isnt Feb 17 20:54:22 lcuk, you and I know that, yes :) Feb 17 20:54:50 anyways Feb 17 20:54:55 really time for sleep now Feb 17 20:54:58 'night Feb 17 20:55:05 gnite john, i just slept Feb 17 20:55:15 #/me has 5 minutes before it starts again Feb 17 20:58:10 * gnuton is back. Feb 17 21:02:37 lcuk: It's your happy day today) Titles are back... sort of :) Feb 17 21:02:48 scrshots? Feb 17 21:03:04 Stskeeps: makin it right now Feb 17 21:03:09 wazd, my happy day is when everyone gets the design that pleases them the most :) Feb 17 21:03:52 wazd: design which could employ tricks like lcuks zooming could be interesting too Feb 17 21:04:18 like with your calculators, people have personal favorites - give them a quick selection of them and a way to change quickly and you just made many more people happy than just one specific fixed design Feb 17 21:04:45 wtf Feb 17 21:04:53 These are not *mine* calculators )) Feb 17 21:04:54 mm? Feb 17 21:04:57 does Navicore really use the entire 2 GB card? Feb 17 21:05:02 Stskeeps, zooming not required for the top bars, but dynamic space allocation is :) Feb 17 21:05:07 These are TI calculators) Feb 17 21:05:12 lcuk: entirely plausible Feb 17 21:05:14 wazd, you know what i mean though Feb 17 21:05:18 er, luke-jr Feb 17 21:05:45 :/ Feb 17 21:05:58 (i dont own a n810. i would just copy off the files) Feb 17 21:05:58 so I need to choose between GPS and storage? :/ Feb 17 21:06:05 or put it on an external card Feb 17 21:06:12 I have no external cards :p Feb 17 21:06:28 and i dont either for the upcoming 770, so i buy :P Feb 17 21:06:30 luke-jr, where are you Feb 17 21:06:40 lcuk: USA Feb 17 21:06:46 are there any text editors packaged for maemo that do syntax highlighting for python? (I'd prefer Gedit if that's an option.) Feb 17 21:06:53 Nebraska Feb 17 21:07:04 luke-jr, you might be able to choose a smaller subset of maps then Feb 17 21:07:10 its prob got entire us on it Feb 17 21:07:15 my maps dont fill whole 2gb Feb 17 21:07:49 Canada too Feb 17 21:08:10 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 17 21:09:30 Freedom is not good all the time Feb 17 21:09:42 sometimes user don't know what to do Feb 17 21:10:34 then choose intenlligent defaults but allow some to go off piste if they desire Feb 17 21:10:47 anyway goin back to bed Feb 17 21:10:51 * lcuk feels dreadful Feb 17 21:10:55 aww Feb 17 21:11:07 sleep well lcuk Feb 17 21:11:14 get some good rest Feb 17 21:11:25 anyone here with any htc devices? Feb 17 21:14:59 GeneralAntilles: suggestion.. wiki page with 1-day things a nokia developer could do, suggestions Feb 17 21:15:42 like, "forward port N800 sound driver to newest kernel API" or "document FIASCO format" or "lockable applets" or whatever Feb 17 21:16:25 as part of a "maemo.org rent a nokia coder for a day once a month" thing Feb 17 21:17:16 / temporarily liberate Feb 17 21:17:47 UI stuff isn't 1-day, unfortunately. Feb 17 21:17:56 It's gotta be things that don't involve more than one department. ;) Feb 17 21:17:56 yeah, was just an example Feb 17 21:18:52 I doubt we'll get many takers, unfortunately. Feb 17 21:19:07 mm Feb 17 21:19:35 as in people able (and willing) internally to take on some of those Feb 17 21:20:16 Right, I don't think we're gonna get many of those. ;) Feb 17 21:20:20 true true Feb 17 21:20:27 maybe it is more likely within kernel areas Feb 17 21:20:40 Be nice if Nokia implemented a %10 plan. Feb 17 21:20:53 like google's? Feb 17 21:20:58 Yeah Feb 17 21:21:34 nn Feb 17 21:21:35 mm Feb 17 21:22:10 RTComm, - that is a framework, not UI, right_ Feb 17 21:22:12 ? Feb 17 21:23:09 ok, http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0902/a1/0a712e736a9f.png Feb 17 21:23:21 Now I'll try to describe this crap) Feb 17 21:24:10 i presume this is the 480x640 one :) Feb 17 21:24:17 "Tasks" row is made for narrow screens/portrait orientations Feb 17 21:24:33 Stskeeps: basicaly it can scale to any res Feb 17 21:25:35 Taskswitcher now covers all space he has, but with "max-width of the element". In other words like desktop one Feb 17 21:26:13 So it hides titles if it hasn't space for them Feb 17 21:26:38 wazd: I really like the b/w icons Feb 17 21:26:49 wazd: would be nice to have a theme like this for existing hildon =) Feb 17 21:26:52 "task" word is a button itself - shows guess what Feb 17 21:27:07 but the horizontal task bar really sucks =( Feb 17 21:27:11 wazd: how would you be using widgets in this setting, btw? Feb 17 21:27:23 wazd: Can I suggest something? Feb 17 21:27:33 Stskeeps: It's Mer menu Feb 17 21:27:41 wazd: ah, kinda like home screen Feb 17 21:27:44 RST38h: no you cant!11 xD Feb 17 21:27:50 grrrhh Feb 17 21:28:02 RST38h: sure Feb 17 21:28:12 wazd: Anyways, make task bar drop down and replace the Favorites/Apps/Settings/All strip Feb 17 21:28:16 Stskeeps: I even mde Mer slightly highlited :P Feb 17 21:28:35 wazd: the X better not be like Windows Mobile X, as in, it minimizing, not closing.. :P Feb 17 21:28:37 i.e. on the left, you can either have a column of these menu icons OR a column of running task icons Feb 17 21:29:02 Stskeeps: no, x acts as normal x :) Feb 17 21:29:03 this may actually work because you do not need to switch between these two bars too often Feb 17 21:29:11 wazd: so, how do i minimize? :> Feb 17 21:29:19 once you start the apps you need, you just switch between them Feb 17 21:29:24 task switcher? Feb 17 21:29:29 Stskeeps: just switch to the other task) Feb 17 21:29:32 k Feb 17 21:29:39 Aw I've forgot to add home icon( Feb 17 21:29:46 wasn't that the mer logo? Feb 17 21:30:02 Mer logo launches mer menu :) Feb 17 21:30:04 ah Feb 17 21:30:20 So Feb 17 21:30:39 wazd: the task switcher item with the app, if tapped and it is already on the app, could show menu too maybe Feb 17 21:30:54 .. dunno Feb 17 21:31:42 wazd: i like it, btw, just trying to make some kind of constructive statement :) Feb 17 21:32:03 Spaces between icons are adjustable. Maybe it's good to make profiles such as "portrait" or "desktop" Feb 17 21:32:27 RST38h: hm\ Feb 17 21:33:38 RST38h: you mean that "two icons" taskbar or large in mermenu? Feb 17 21:33:57 Stskeeps: Could show what menu?) Feb 17 21:34:04 wazd: application menu Feb 17 21:34:15 you know, file, edit, etc Feb 17 21:35:09 wazd: so the screenshot with the application menu is what comes out when you press the mer logo, i guess_ Feb 17 21:35:18 Stskeeps: Well, maybe, but we can't remove that dedicated button cause what will user do if the icon is hidden in overflow?) Feb 17 21:35:29 application menu = list of applications to launch Feb 17 21:35:32 Stskeeps: yep Feb 17 21:35:44 and you would have 'home' as a task too Feb 17 21:36:17 Stskeeps: I'm not sure where to place it Feb 17 21:36:21 is Tasks always visible? Feb 17 21:36:55 Stskeeps: kind of) Feb 17 21:36:57 like, even when applications are running Feb 17 21:36:58 alright Feb 17 21:38:20 So, tapping "tasks" will show you all aplications in a list (as maemo ones) Feb 17 21:38:22 wazd: no, I mean the horizontal task bar you have got is a bad idea Feb 17 21:38:37 wazd: it takes very valuable horizontal space and does not fit too many tasks anyway Feb 17 21:38:58 wazd: maybe button bar with 'Tasks | Home' like on nokia phones? dunno Feb 17 21:39:30 wazd: So, instead of that, remove the horizontal task bar, leave the "Tasks" button where it is, and make this button flip the left vertical bar between menu icons and task icons Feb 17 21:40:00 And if you have multiple windows icon (like browser for example) and you click it - you will see list of windows Feb 17 21:40:20 RST38h: too many clicks to switch I think Feb 17 21:41:09 wazd: yes, but think of the usage Feb 17 21:41:16 Stskeeps: good idea Feb 17 21:41:22 wazd: You would normally start the apps you need, then switch between them Feb 17 21:41:37 wazd: Once you start needed apps, you no longer need the menu icons Feb 17 21:41:56 wazd: so, this "flip" does not happen too often in practice Feb 17 21:41:57 Right now I'm wasting vertical space btw, not horizonal :) Feb 17 21:42:11 you are, correct Feb 17 21:48:02 wazd: for next layout try a homescreen, with phone related widgets and other useful ones. maybe the top bar and button bar sliding up when idle Feb 17 21:48:12 button=bottom Feb 17 21:48:50 and reactivated with activity Feb 17 21:49:05 Stskeeps: oh) Feb 17 21:49:21 try=maybe try;) Feb 17 21:49:24 Stskeeps: can I design blackjack and whores? xD Feb 17 21:49:34 yessir Feb 17 21:49:40 stripper widget Feb 17 21:50:52 RST38h: I think in your case it's better to just get rid of that row and return to previous switcher variant (simple button in a left row, calling maemo-like list Feb 17 21:51:05 multiple home screens sounds interesting too Feb 17 21:51:23 RST38h: http://i063.radikal.ru/0902/71/6b05384cb13e.jpg Feb 17 21:52:19 switch from office widgets (rss feed) to bar widgets (stripper) to home widgets (slideshow of the wife and children Feb 17 21:52:25 wazd: Naah, the new one is really better Feb 17 21:52:36 wazd: except for the awkward task switcher bar Feb 17 21:53:05 wazd: the older one has the same overall task switcher problem (not enough space) but does not look as great Feb 17 21:53:52 RST38h: I meant just how taskswitcher icon will look in your case :) Feb 17 21:54:09 RST38h: imagine new menu and old scheme) Feb 17 21:57:19 tonyyarusso: you asked about editors... pygtkedit is a self-hosting text editor Feb 17 22:02:52 And the last thing - "all". It shows all the stuff :) Useful for desktop installations Feb 17 22:03:39 With category subdivisions Feb 17 22:04:50 hi Feb 17 22:05:28 has anyone installed KDE? Feb 17 22:05:37 is there any way to use hamachi on diablo? Feb 17 22:06:21 I've basicaly wanted to give user a chance to switch between IM and browser for example instantly Feb 17 22:07:40 * gnuton is back. Feb 17 22:08:14 * oli aaaaaaaaaaaa Feb 17 22:08:53 i wondered why doesn't hamachi package work, until i'd found out that i'm trying to run it on my PC Feb 17 22:08:59 * benson bbbbbbbbb Feb 17 22:09:32 * qwerty12_N800 g Feb 17 22:09:42 wazd: i like the way the layout is going though :) Feb 17 22:09:44 Does the builer work? Feb 17 22:09:49 builder Feb 17 22:10:13 I uploaded a couple of package today and they are not in the builder queue yet Feb 17 22:10:22 did anyone hear me? Feb 17 22:11:19 fuzzybunny: kde within maemo is so 70s :P Feb 17 22:11:21 fuzzybunny: somebody probably has, better tell us what the problem is Feb 17 22:11:57 how long does it usually take to install? Feb 17 22:12:13 2-4 hours Feb 17 22:12:38 cool thats all i need to know. thanx Feb 17 22:12:47 np Feb 17 22:13:22 so if kde is so 70s whats today? Feb 17 22:13:43 ubuntu or mer :) Feb 17 22:13:56 gnome 8D Feb 17 22:14:21 ubuntu on an n8-- Feb 17 22:14:34 youre kidding me Feb 17 22:14:43 no, some crazy guy (:D) made it Feb 17 22:14:49 fuzzybunny: good evening :) Feb 17 22:14:58 where? how? Feb 17 22:15:06 I know that bastard :) Feb 17 22:15:15 read up on http://internettablettalk.com/forums , a lot of good hints Feb 17 22:15:19 fuzzybunny: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25975 Feb 17 22:15:43 cool Feb 17 22:16:55 oil: :P Feb 17 22:18:04 sweet Feb 17 22:18:19 Stskeeps: czesc :) don't you think merinstaller wastes mmc space by leaving compressed image onto it? Feb 17 22:18:23 ill install if possible Feb 17 22:18:52 oli: hmm? it should delete the compressed image Feb 17 22:19:19 fuzzybunny: have fun - hope your good with the command line ;) Feb 17 22:19:36 Stskeeps: but it didn't, i'd to do it manually Feb 17 22:19:46 b-man? :P Feb 17 22:19:58 with the bootmenu, do you think that it is theoretically possible to boot from an external hard drive to mac osx Feb 17 22:20:18 theoretically. Feb 17 22:20:21 fuzzybunny: theoretically the tablet is a turing machine.. Feb 17 22:20:42 er, turing-complete, sorry, - and hence everything can happen, but practically, no, hell no :P Feb 17 22:20:47 no - our architecture is armel not x86 Feb 17 22:20:57 @fuzzybunny Feb 17 22:21:10 mabe someday Feb 17 22:21:22 not sure why anyone would want it :P Feb 17 22:21:25 b-man: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4062 Feb 17 22:21:26 doubt it Feb 17 22:21:28 is this fixed, btw? Feb 17 22:21:30 fuzzybunny: that day is described in bible Feb 17 22:21:37 lol Feb 17 22:21:48 fuzzybunny: and a bunch of other texts) Feb 17 22:22:04 ur right..... vnc to mac Feb 17 22:22:17 fuzzybunny: that's a hardporn) Feb 17 22:22:34 fuzzybunny: it's not described in bible I suppose) Feb 17 22:22:57 Stskeeps: working on it ;) Feb 17 22:23:43 no, I don't believe so exactly. Feb 17 22:24:12 qwerty12_N800: btw, when you have time, document your CPA -> script trick Feb 17 22:24:24 it might allow some people to start developing CPAs Feb 17 22:24:57 Stskeeps: oh, the theme stuff? it's really simple, just system(); Feb 17 22:25:06 yeah, but is still nice to have the glue documented Feb 17 22:25:12 (in my case) Feb 17 22:25:17 looking at some of this, I feel like a noob Feb 17 22:25:23 Stskeeps: I'll blogpost bout Mer with more screenshots Feb 17 22:26:02 * b-man has an on-line gallery for ubuntu-n8x0 :) Feb 17 22:26:04 wazd: alright, good luck :) remember the home screen and the phone reference (Missed calls, Remember to call Mom, 120 messages from your wife..) :P Feb 17 22:26:42 and 3 from your mistress. Feb 17 22:26:43 :P Feb 17 22:26:51 http://www.bman.maemobox.org/projects/ubuntu-n8x0/screenshots/gallery.html Feb 17 22:27:22 Stskeeps: surething) Feb 17 22:29:38 benson: I'll look into that. Feb 17 22:31:50 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 17 22:33:37 benson: would I find that in the repos for diablo anywhere? Feb 17 22:35:11 wicked Feb 17 22:35:22 b-man: you really ought to encourage people to use ${INT_CARD} and ${EXT_CARD} instead btw :P Feb 17 22:35:35 in example posts Feb 17 22:36:40 * gnuton is back. Feb 17 22:39:38 bye Feb 17 22:39:41 ri3reifoperier Feb 17 22:40:53 so no more cron for maemo? Feb 17 22:41:57 * Stskeeps ponders what pc-connectivity is Feb 17 22:50:40 b-man: impressive screenshots :> Feb 17 22:50:52 kkrusty, alarmd. . . . Feb 17 22:50:54 thanks :D Feb 17 22:51:36 GeneralAntilles, you are awesome! Feb 17 23:06:50 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 17 23:12:00 * gnuton is back. Feb 17 23:18:48 ugh Feb 17 23:18:54 the USB interface is dead SLOW Feb 17 23:27:18 tonyyarusso: I believe it's in extras, if not see khertan.net Feb 17 23:36:38 qwerty12_N800: some bashisms in powerlaunch postinst btw Feb 17 23:37:28 Stskeeps: I know :(, the script is a bitch to go through though and everything works oddly :/ Feb 17 23:37:33 hehe Feb 17 23:37:51 * Stskeeps plays with powerlaunch Feb 17 23:38:28 'Wait'? :P Feb 17 23:39:01 I did say it was a workaround :p Feb 17 23:39:06 lol :P Feb 17 23:39:32 think it works on N810 fine though Feb 17 23:39:53 i presume lock code does not work Feb 17 23:40:03 it does actually Feb 17 23:40:12 though it fails at startup? Feb 17 23:40:17 or not? Feb 17 23:40:35 it fails at startup in maemo Feb 17 23:40:48 ah Feb 17 23:40:59 lock code upon bootup is a todo Feb 17 23:41:22 and we need to look at the dialog placement Feb 17 23:42:10 yes, mb is really odd - you can see the effect with banners Feb 17 23:43:09 * Stskeeps adds powerlaunch to 770, n8x0 images Feb 17 23:45:29 qwerty12_N800: mer is starting to get scaringily usable now.. Feb 17 23:46:00 hehe :) Feb 17 23:46:10 is it possible to set display of my n810/n810 to never switch off the display regardless using it or not? Feb 17 23:47:40 set the timeouts to be really high in control panel > display. if you want timeout options like 24 hours, google moredimmingoptions Feb 17 23:47:53 qwerty12_N800: is the panic button (hold down power button forever) included, btw? Feb 17 23:48:03 Stskeeps: yep Feb 17 23:48:03 qwerty12_N800, cool! :) Feb 17 23:48:08 i could imagine it would be handy in mer development Feb 17 23:48:37 .. why did my LED just flicker Feb 17 23:49:02 you've entered the failsafe mode Feb 17 23:49:12 Nah, just failmode Feb 17 23:49:49 was the n800 led single-color or how was it? Feb 17 23:49:59 yep Feb 17 23:50:06 as in, only blue? :P Feb 17 23:50:07 15-level Feb 17 23:50:12 N810 got the multi colour shit Feb 17 23:50:23 yeah Feb 17 23:50:32 n800 had flashing patterns of blue Feb 17 23:50:38 the n810 had a number of colors Feb 17 23:50:38 Somebody needs to make a kaleidoscope program for the N810 LED Feb 17 23:50:46 RGB Feb 17 23:50:51 which is why i had so much trouble translating the LEDs tab Feb 17 23:51:53 * Stskeeps isn't horribly convinced by the 'shut off' command, seems to go back in runlevel something Feb 18 00:08:22 Stskeeps: ping?) Feb 18 00:39:12 Hey I thought xchat was free the one on my windows pc wants me to pay 20 to keep using it Feb 18 00:40:26 ahh well just read the windows version isn't free ohh well back to Mirc on windows for me. Feb 18 00:40:46 GeneralAntilles you around? Feb 18 00:41:07 Hm? Feb 18 00:41:58 I was just reading where the site maemostuff get told by nokia to shut the site down a few months ago, I'm worried about maemobox getting the same who do I need to talk to, so I don't get sued lol you know? Feb 18 00:43:20 Quim or Peter probably. Feb 18 00:43:37 email best way? Feb 18 00:43:56 Probably Feb 18 00:44:08 will be alot of work to rename maemobox since it is linked like a thousand times on itT Feb 18 00:44:18 you know quims email? Feb 18 00:45:53 damn fbsd Feb 18 00:45:54 with its pw Feb 18 00:45:55 :) Feb 18 00:50:36 wtf is 'connection-switcher' Feb 18 00:51:25 I couldn't find his email on his maemo.org profile so I used itt to email him i hope he gets it, I guess I need to be thinking of a new name just incase Feb 18 00:55:13 andrewfblack: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/sendmsg.php?do=mailmember&u=7630 Feb 18 00:55:14 Somebody needs to get tang.maemo to move his stuff out of user/ Feb 18 00:55:34 andrewfblack, quim.gil at nokia.com ;) Feb 18 00:59:04 lol . . . qtmapper is maintained by 'AL ' Feb 18 01:01:10 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 18 01:10:51 andrewfblack: X-Chat is free on all platforms Feb 18 01:11:03 andrewfblack: but free does not mean gratis; pay $20 for the free software Feb 18 01:13:03 * GAN800 rubs his temples. Feb 18 01:18:32 so finally trying to flash it Feb 18 01:18:45 but the N810 doesn't do USB when it's off ☹ Feb 18 01:22:27 oh Feb 18 01:22:30 usb 5-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub Feb 18 01:22:39 it's on the motherboard -.- Feb 18 01:24:01 why won't my background stay what it was last when i reboot? Feb 18 01:24:40 ups doesn't bullshit when they say they're sending something ground huh? Feb 18 01:25:00 this thing has had a feb 13th date departure scan forever Feb 18 01:25:13 is it getting here on horseback? Feb 18 01:25:33 * Macer pictures a UPS man fighting off indians while braving the grand canyon Feb 18 02:07:11 * gnuton is back. Feb 18 02:13:59 * GeneralAntilles is growing less and less impressed with ThoughtFix's "analysis". Feb 18 02:17:21 * Gnu[OFF] is away: Gone away for now Feb 18 02:17:37 * GeneralAntilles hits Gnu[OFF] with a branding iron. Feb 18 02:18:51 * benson wonders why 'ton' is the opposite of '[OFF]' Feb 18 02:19:23 can I configure Maemo to connect to any random AP? Feb 18 02:33:37 fuck yeah.. shamrock shakes at mcdonalds Feb 18 02:33:43 hah. Feb 18 02:33:58 oh, so, btw - #maemo sucks Feb 18 02:34:07 .. Feb 18 02:34:15 I was stuck at school, trying to figure out a problem on my 770, and I could not connect to irc Feb 18 02:34:26 tried several web based irc clients, they're all blocked Feb 18 02:34:50 tried installing pigdin, but it would crash trying to add accounts Feb 18 02:34:51 heh.. and that makes maemo suck because.... ? :) Feb 18 02:35:10 if I'm on a maemo device, I should be able to get to #maemo, right? (: Feb 18 02:35:32 other channels on freenode are not blocked Feb 18 02:36:17 I dont have a beef, I just wanted to vent - was very frustrated today with the tablet Feb 18 02:36:40 it all worked out I guess. the mmc card had *somehow* gone read only, which I guess happens still? Feb 18 02:36:59 Maps doesn't start ☹ Feb 18 02:36:59 and I couldnt unmount it because "it was in use" yet lsof said it was not in use. Feb 18 02:38:14 the usb icon that usually shows only when connected to a pc, is always on now, not sure what thats about. through trying many many combinations of killing apps, changing fstab, rebooting without the mmc in place, I managed to mkdosfs it, reboot and then write to the mmc Feb 18 02:38:34 for whatever reason I couldnt turn virtual (swap) memory off when the mmc is read only Feb 18 02:38:38 (very frustrating) Feb 18 02:39:59 been bashing at this problem for a couple days - ever since I tried to use the recorder to tape a lecture last wednesday. barely had enough batter left today to record todays lecture. whew. Feb 18 02:40:15 hopefully whatever caused the mmc to go read only, doesnt happen again Feb 18 02:40:49 does maemo not run fsck on bootup? Feb 18 02:41:15 that was the only thing I could think of, something borked in the fs from a crash, and needed fsck to do something special - but when I ran it by hand, it was uninformative Feb 18 02:47:44 fireun, pro tip: 770 sucks. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 18 02:59:57 2009