**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 21 02:59:57 2009 Feb 21 03:33:27 how to view the page source in microB? Feb 21 03:35:41 no viewing, you have to save the file Feb 21 03:41:02 ok, got it thanks Feb 21 04:38:49 * GAN800 's tablet is suddenly hemmoraging power. Feb 21 04:41:55 anyone know specs for N810 camera? Feb 21 04:46:29 It's VGA. But, what are you referring to? Feb 21 04:47:11 pixmaps, rgb.yuv, framerate, that sort of stuff Feb 21 04:48:49 Framerate is usually determined by hardware (if I'm not mistaken) and whichever settings the software is using at the time of capture. The N810's camera is fully capable of capturing at 30fps+ if it's got the hw to back it up. Feb 21 04:49:32 I.e., the camera is just a lens. The hw and sw is what alters framerate. Feb 21 04:49:56 The VGA camera takes 800x600 pics. Feb 21 04:49:56 erm Feb 21 04:50:02 usually "camera" includes hardware and software Feb 21 04:50:05 and lens is hardware Feb 21 04:50:08 part of* Feb 21 04:50:19 and lens also has no fps/dpi limits :p Feb 21 04:50:42 Right, but if you were using the N810's camera via VNC to a desktop machine, you could capture real-time, no? Feb 21 04:51:04 (But, of course, I'm not so technical in this area, so please correct me!) ;) Feb 21 04:51:15 I'm more interested in pixel formats, resolutions and colour spaces supported via v4l2 Feb 21 04:52:08 especially if there is an existing util to dump this info Feb 21 05:36:47 set -x GST_DEBUG "*v4l2*:5" Feb 21 05:36:52 gst-launch-0.10 -v v4l2src num-buffers=5 ! fakesink Feb 21 05:37:47 ...except it doesn't work :-( Seemingly an gstreamer error, patched but not on maemo yet Feb 21 06:03:56 -_- Feb 21 06:15:39 ok. how do i get ubuntu to start up /etc/init.d/ssh automatically? Feb 21 06:15:49 there like an rc-update or something? :) Feb 21 06:23:36 grrr Feb 21 06:26:17 ok.. that was 100 cool points.. i'll just pretend i didn't do that Feb 21 06:42:29 Is it possiable to setup maemo mapper to centre by default? Feb 21 06:43:14 auto centre Feb 21 06:50:39 welp. think i'm done here :0 Feb 21 06:50:41 :) Feb 21 07:48:33 can one open tablet camera with mplayer? Feb 21 07:49:47 * bman_ ponders Feb 21 07:49:55 eichi that works at g? Feb 21 07:50:05 bman_, ? Feb 21 07:50:20 you work at g Feb 21 07:50:21 ? Feb 21 07:50:28 wtf is g Feb 21 07:50:36 garage Feb 21 07:50:44 no? Feb 21 07:50:45 my bad Feb 21 07:50:59 yeah Feb 21 08:11:01 is the n8x0 serie stopped from nokia? Feb 21 08:11:39 picture is not good, do i have wrong parameters? mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:fps=25:device=/dev/video0:brightness=70 -vo xv Feb 21 08:14:28 bman_: How do I right click in ubuntu? Feb 21 08:14:53 I tried ctrl click, but it doesn't seem to be it. Feb 21 08:27:57 Nothing like a letter from the dentist saying "It's check-up time!" to start your day :) Feb 21 09:01:45 morning all Feb 21 09:05:07 moin Feb 21 09:52:41 jesus, .. i remember how bad it hurts to sleep on a floor Feb 21 09:52:45 (now) Feb 21 09:53:47 lol... police didn't come while you were sleeping, then? :) Feb 21 09:54:20 not sure why they would Feb 21 09:55:24 Was thinking about the raids, maybe they reenacted the law when they got tipped off that a small lan party was going on:P Feb 21 09:55:53 yeah, except torrent and such also ruined that and pervasive home connections Feb 21 09:58:00 * aquatix had a lan party just a few weeks ago Feb 21 09:58:14 but that was more nerding together than swapping files or even gaming Feb 21 09:58:46 yeah.. it is similar to that these days Feb 21 09:58:54 What did you want to ping me about btw? Feb 21 09:59:08 i honestly do not remember right now Feb 21 09:59:16 haha, lol Feb 21 09:59:57 i am however trying to boot a 2.6.28 on 770 Feb 21 10:01:45 trying to get it to kick the watchdogs at the moment though Feb 21 10:20:04 moo, all Feb 21 10:20:28 'ello RST38h Feb 21 10:21:13 how are things? =) Feb 21 10:24:31 yukop4 are you there? Feb 21 10:32:15 jeremiah: there? Feb 21 10:32:48 moin gnuton :) Feb 21 10:32:54 -.-' Feb 21 10:34:41 jeremiah: I will come online again at 12:30 ( now: 11:34 ) ... cu :) Feb 21 10:37:21 which app can you recommend for using the camera of the n810? Feb 21 10:37:29 motion? :-) Feb 21 10:38:34 liqbase Feb 21 10:43:30 udovdh: there is an app called Camera in Extras Feb 21 10:43:46 aha. makes a camera of n810? Feb 21 10:43:55 like a `normal` photo cam? Feb 21 10:44:14 more like a webcam Feb 21 10:44:35 still or video/ Feb 21 10:44:44 aha Feb 21 10:45:01 I only find GPS-Camera on the site Feb 21 10:45:09 but I will try Camera out Feb 21 10:45:12 thanks Feb 21 10:45:36 and "video camera" for video iirc Feb 21 10:45:39 it appears I just succeeded in building navit for n810 using OE Feb 21 11:04:27 streamripper help needed Feb 21 11:07:33 thopiekar ready to chat about streamripper Feb 21 11:09:43 ready, steady, chat! Feb 21 11:22:58 ok thopiekar how do i load the app onto my n810 Feb 21 11:25:27 [streamripper] - now in extras Feb 21 11:27:15 anyone know how to get these files onto the n810-the forum is [streamripper] - now in extras Feb 21 11:28:15 it was posted by thopiekar on internet tablet talk forum Feb 21 11:28:38 hey, my friend wants to buy broken n810 for ~60 eur, owner says it booted to nokia logo, and after few days it stopped to respond on switch-on. he didn't plug in the charger. should he buy it? :) Feb 21 11:32:03 tell him to freeze it for a day and microwave it for 60 seconds -works for me Feb 21 11:33:10 I just put mine in the fridge for a few hours, then it worked Feb 21 11:33:52 weirdest bug ever Feb 21 11:35:01 there are times i wish the file manager had a "copy to" option, just like it has a "move to", as i find myself copying files more often then moving them... Feb 21 11:38:24 have a look at this-[streamripper] - now in extras-on internet tablet talk-can you work out how to get the app downloaded Feb 21 11:39:37 hi qwerty12 can u help with this Feb 21 11:39:57 ? Feb 21 11:41:15 thopiekar has uploaded streamripper and i cannot work out how to get the files onto my n810-see my above post Feb 21 11:41:16 oli: yeah, if it shows nokia logo you can usually rescue it Feb 21 11:41:26 (i had same problem) Feb 21 11:41:40 yukop4, I don't know about his streamripper packages, I don't use them. Feb 21 11:41:51 leave the battery out to drain and perhaps use another battery to flash to a recent NOLO Feb 21 11:42:28 ok thanks -it was on a forum on internet tablet talk-[streamripper] - now in extras Feb 21 11:42:45 heh, funny fact about 770, it sets fb_update_mode to 'disabled' when screen turns off Feb 21 11:45:03 Stskeeps: but now it doesn't switch on -IMO the battery is out, can it be charged into that nokia? Feb 21 11:47:12 oli: you have a n8x0 of your own / battery? Feb 21 11:47:27 Stskeeps: anyway, 250pln -> 52 eur ;d is not really much for n810 so he'll buy it Feb 21 11:47:35 Stskeeps: yes Feb 21 11:47:54 what i did was to leave the battery out for 24 hours, flashed the N810 itself with the newest firmware using another battery Feb 21 11:48:03 and then putting it in charger Feb 21 11:50:19 Stskeeps: ok thanx, we'll try. Feb 21 11:57:04 jeremiah: Feb 21 11:57:38 yukop4: Feb 21 11:57:42 ok yukp4 here Feb 21 11:57:43 yukop4: hi Feb 21 11:57:45 ^^ Feb 21 11:58:10 the packages are in the extras-devel repo Feb 21 11:58:22 hi-appreciate it the time -what steps do i take Feb 21 11:58:24 have you the repo in your program manager? Feb 21 11:58:37 yes Feb 21 11:58:51 good so install streamripper Feb 21 11:59:51 when you say install it-i have about 11 files to install Feb 21 12:00:24 hmm could be... whats the size of all? Feb 21 12:00:41 hang on Feb 21 12:00:46 ;) Feb 21 12:01:33 1.07 mb Feb 21 12:01:42 should be ok then.. Feb 21 12:01:52 install it and check it out.. Feb 21 12:02:26 * thopiekar 's tablet is at a repair shop, you know :) Feb 21 12:03:10 i download from your link with rar-then open there were 12 files Feb 21 12:04:03 aah! I mean install streamripper with the packagemanager, program manager or how ever its called in english.. Feb 21 12:04:23 the app with which you install apps and updates.. Feb 21 12:05:39 tried that but would not work -willtry again now Feb 21 12:06:00 isn't streamripper in the list of apps? Feb 21 12:07:19 yes it is -i have streamripper already working with streamtuner-an older version-i thought yours would rip any radio streams Feb 21 12:07:47 should.. Feb 21 12:09:04 so check your application manager whether extras-devel is your application catalogues and then install/update streamripper.. Feb 21 12:09:23 thats the up-to-date version from ubuntu ported to maemo... Feb 21 12:09:44 if it works just let me know to promote it to extras.. Feb 21 12:09:54 what about all the lib... files do i need them Feb 21 12:10:23 all dependences are on extras-devel.repo , too... Feb 21 12:10:35 ok Feb 21 12:10:36 everything should work fine Feb 21 12:11:27 my present version of streamripper is 1.61.27 Feb 21 12:12:03 should be1.63.5 i think.. Feb 21 12:12:32 yes 1.63.5-1maemo0 Feb 21 12:13:05 i think i will wait till u have it in extras Feb 21 12:14:02 yes but it is in extras-devel and it has to be tested before I promote it for extras :) Feb 21 12:15:16 ok when i try to open it in app manager it says incompatible Feb 21 12:15:28 hmm Feb 21 12:16:11 the deb? or have you choosed it from the list of installable apps? Feb 21 12:16:55 when i do install update window and look at details there is no kb,s Feb 21 12:17:41 sorry it says available but not installable Feb 21 12:17:55 hmm Feb 21 12:18:19 could it be that i must first uninstall older version Feb 21 12:18:37 think so.. Feb 21 12:18:50 but from where do you get it? Feb 21 12:19:35 i got it on internet tablet talk-forum announce streamripper Feb 21 12:19:57 * thopiekar is now looking for the thread.. Feb 21 12:21:35 search for streamripper then look for 1.61.27 Feb 21 12:21:45 do you mean the deb from debernardis? Feb 21 12:22:34 yes Feb 21 12:22:38 it's not compiled under diablo it's compiled under bora which is very old.. Feb 21 12:22:39 ^^ Feb 21 12:22:58 have you uninstalled it already? Feb 21 12:23:07 i know but it works for me somehow-perfectly Feb 21 12:23:14 :) Feb 21 12:24:00 but it only works with streamtuner-or maybe i cannot setup for other stations Feb 21 12:24:26 no i did not uninstall it yet Feb 21 12:24:52 it is very simple to use it with the xterm.. Feb 21 12:25:09 usually with the xterm from the thread.. Feb 21 12:25:26 can i somehow increase ash history longer? Feb 21 12:25:51 i see but how do you go about it from xterm Feb 21 12:26:12 just type in " streamripper IP:PORT -d /path/where/to/store/the/files" Feb 21 12:26:23 where -d is the destination Feb 21 12:26:37 and IP:PORT the radio startion's stream Feb 21 12:27:18 for more information just type: streamripper --help Feb 21 12:27:30 and you will get the info-page :) Feb 21 12:28:11 ok i am still new at this and 51 years old -will try it Feb 21 12:29:51 hehe 51 old? doesn't matter i'm 17^^ Feb 21 12:31:16 so i download your xterm version onto the remov card and then search for help with xterm Feb 21 12:32:47 uch.. sounds confusingly.. have you already installed streamripper? Feb 21 12:34:15 hi -- are there centralized API-s for storing Points of Interest (POI) and for accessing messages (like email, SMS and so on)? Feb 21 12:34:32 yes i have but how do you get to the help files Feb 21 12:34:37 I mean something like address book API Feb 21 12:35:07 just open the regualar Xterminal.. Feb 21 12:36:24 and type in "streamripper --help" (without the " 's) Feb 21 12:37:19 i did -says cant parse options Feb 21 12:37:38 silly Feb 21 12:38:06 is there a soace after -- Feb 21 12:38:19 no space Feb 21 12:38:29 as in -- help Feb 21 12:39:00 should be "--help"... Feb 21 12:39:34 i'm sorry its just "-h" Feb 21 12:39:50 wont work -piece of sh.. Feb 21 12:39:55 ^^ Feb 21 12:40:01 will try Feb 21 12:40:02 see above :) Feb 21 12:42:06 yes my man i got it...what now RTFM Feb 21 12:44:08 now you should make everything as explained in the iTT thread to use it with streamtuner.. Feb 21 12:44:39 install xterm, which will allow us to use x-terminal-emulator.. Feb 21 12:44:56 xterm is available in extras-devel, too Feb 21 12:45:45 i have emulator -just type in r on xterm Feb 21 12:48:39 actually the problem for me is an amazing radio stream in australia called PBS 106.7-it is on the net but i cannot get it onto streamtuner so i can record it with stream ripper-that is what is driving me Feb 21 12:50:04 * thopiekar is checking the radiostation for yukop4 Feb 21 12:51:14 yukop4: http://www.pbsfm.org.au/ ? Feb 21 12:54:25 GAN8001: pong Feb 21 12:56:27 yes that is the one -it has also archive where you can listen to the past year programs and it is ad free Feb 21 12:59:12 you can go to "on air now" or "radio on demand" for which you register for free Feb 21 13:01:58 hmm.. I tried out "streamripper -d /whatever/../.. mms://srv1.mel.apstream.net/pbsfm".. but it doesn't work as fine as it thought.. you should keep on shoutcast tunes or try it out for your self.. maybe the stream is just lagging here in europe :) Feb 21 13:02:52 just type in "streamripper -d ~/.MyDocs/.sounds/ mms://srv1.mel.apstream.net/pbsfm" to rip into the music folder of your device.. Feb 21 13:05:06 yeah i tried every which way but no luck-the station is close by so i might go there and see if i can get help--anyway thank you for your assistance Feb 21 13:08:18 yukop4: no problem :) Feb 21 13:09:46 * thopiekar is promoting streamripper to extras.. Feb 21 13:10:55 great Feb 21 13:18:31 jeremiah: there? Feb 21 13:46:56 * lcuk needs more tissues Feb 21 13:47:42 * qwerty12_N800 passes lcuk the box of kleenex Feb 21 13:47:52 excellent Feb 21 13:48:05 i just wonder why they dont make bacon scented ones Feb 21 13:48:14 mind you, then it would become a food source Feb 21 13:48:39 whatya up to qwerty12_N800 Feb 21 13:48:50 bein lazy or building stuffs Feb 21 13:49:18 nothing much, bein lazy to use your words :p Feb 21 13:50:35 my words do not translate onto the internet Feb 21 13:50:42 i havent got a keyboard with a sheep symbol Feb 21 13:51:07 hehe Feb 21 13:52:27 Hello! How can I make buttons in unlock dialog larger? Feb 21 13:53:01 arty_name, yes, use the macro zoom function. move the n8x0 closer to your face. Feb 21 13:53:34 lcuk, unfortunately that won't make my fingertips smaller :p Feb 21 13:54:31 have you never heard of a pencil sharpener? Feb 21 13:54:37 its a bit messy, but gets the job done Feb 21 13:55:03 obviously, i do agree with you about all dialog buttons Feb 21 13:55:25 im not sure if gtk themes allow the size of buttons to be changed Feb 21 13:57:34 I had idea of hacking or recompiling some binary which locks the screen Feb 21 14:00:46 closed source :/ Feb 21 14:01:06 use powerlaunch instead Feb 21 14:01:12 that part is hackable Feb 21 14:02:02 powerlaunch has its own screen lock? Feb 21 14:06:45 it basically takes over the whole power button interface... Feb 21 14:09:27 * Stskeeps is surprised his 770 hasn't wsoded on him yet. Feb 21 14:09:32 I'm reading about it right now... Need to investigate it deeper Feb 21 14:09:48 Thanks everyone! Feb 21 14:11:18 Stskeeps: us or european variant? somehow i suspect the faulty ones where mostly a production run aimed at the us market Feb 21 14:12:48 t_s_o: EU i think Feb 21 14:12:50 i am actually not sure Feb 21 14:12:53 i got it from a dane Feb 21 14:13:22 t_s_o: i have 2.6.28 booting on it and trying to get umac.ko running. might actually have a shot :P Feb 21 14:15:35 Stskeeps: if it allows more then 11 channels then its a eu model, as it seems that usa and canada only have 11 wifi channels... Feb 21 14:15:59 and these things needs to be closely controlled to get past regulations Feb 21 14:16:37 'osso-product-info' as root will tell you Feb 21 14:17:33 * thopiekar is now a|f|k Feb 21 14:17:46 powerlauch was able to lock my n810:s screen without installing anything form diablo update repo Feb 21 14:17:57 s/form/from/ Feb 21 14:17:57 Meizirkki meant: powerlauch was able to lock my n810:s screen without installing anything from diablo update repo Feb 21 14:18:14 Meizirkki, its an even more impressive feat if you can unlock it again afterwards :P Feb 21 14:18:28 it's not meant to need anything from there Feb 21 14:18:29 * lcuk knows of many programs that can lock up n810 Feb 21 14:18:35 k Feb 21 14:19:29 lcuk: indeed, in mer, on a N800, powerlaunch wouldn't believe i was pressing my enter key so I worked around it by unlocking when the power button was pressed :/ Feb 21 14:19:44 lol Feb 21 14:20:33 the sheer number of things this tiny device can do never ceases to amaze me :) Feb 21 14:22:09 mostly it comes from having a hackable firmware Feb 21 14:23:24 ok Feb 21 14:23:27 now i am terrified Feb 21 14:23:32 cx3110x actually loaded + umac Feb 21 14:24:57 t_s_o, no matter the hardware if it wasnt for the people trying we wouldnt see such things :) Feb 21 14:33:04 lcuk: true, tho i think its two sides of a coin, a device one can play around with, and the people thats interested in playing. and maybe also that the mother corp do not try to actively fight off said playing, and at times even join in Feb 21 14:33:57 Stskeeps: cx3110x working on 770 with 2.6.28 ?? Feb 21 14:34:41 yeah :) Feb 21 14:34:54 Meizirkki: well, working is much to be said.. Feb 21 14:34:56 it loads it.. Feb 21 14:35:24 anyone with OS2008HE around? Feb 21 14:35:40 HE? Feb 21 14:36:29 hacker edition, for 770 Feb 21 14:36:37 hmm, is it me or have iphone cracking stopped dead after said phone got a global launch and apple got the app store going? Feb 21 14:36:42 Stskeeps: I nearly managed to get maemo working under qemu Feb 21 14:36:54 Stskeeps: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n810/ Feb 21 14:36:58 but then it stops there Feb 21 14:37:01 (it already quite long) Feb 21 14:37:06 so maybe it wasn't stopped Feb 21 14:37:26 problem is that, if I leave the workspace, the qemu window becomes black and there's no way to bring it back Feb 21 14:46:59 hmm Feb 21 14:47:13 how do i force gcc to build for old ABI? (not SYSV, but ARM) Feb 21 14:56:26 Sts, get a gcc that does that? Feb 21 14:57:01 inz: well i have gotten cx3110x going but the kernel modules conflict cos the build i've made does SYSV, not ARM (EABI v0 vs EABI v4) Feb 21 14:57:50 and the 770 (os2007he) kernel modules are ARM Feb 21 14:58:02 (i have ported cx3110x driver to later kernels.) Feb 21 14:58:18 Stskeeps, I would guess some of the scracthbox toolchains would be that Feb 21 14:58:22 Stskeeps, which, I dunno Feb 21 14:59:21 k Feb 21 15:02:00 Stskeeps: did you use the exact same compiler (and compiler options) for kernel and modules? same ABI is not enough. Feb 21 15:05:19 matan: aye.. well, the strange thing i am doing is that i may have a way to load umac.ko from 770 in a modern kernel. Feb 21 15:05:58 umac.ko is however non-EABI, and the initial OS2007HE kernel is non-EABI (compiled, but supports EABI applications) Feb 21 15:06:10 so i would like to build my kernel using that Feb 21 15:07:26 iirc the only way to make a kernel compatible with the 770 propiertary kernel module is to use the same gcc version Feb 21 15:08:11 mm Feb 21 15:08:58 frightening thing though h: i got n800s umac.ko to load Feb 21 15:18:05 qwerty12_N800, where's my source packages? :P Feb 21 15:19:01 GAN8001: Fixed the stuff I told you to fix? :P Feb 21 15:19:17 qwerty12_N800, nah, that's why you're here. Feb 21 15:20:34 GAN8001: Maybe in an hour then, I'm on the tablet ATM. Feb 21 15:23:05 lcuk, it's a Chinook/Diablo thing. Feb 21 15:23:15 lcuk, those packages are in Chinook Extras but not Diablo Extras. Feb 21 15:36:27 * b-man is getting frustrated, the reprepro repository management software he has installed keeps erroring out when he trys to upload a package to his ubuntu-n8x0 repository - "Error: Distribution alpha contains an architecture called 'all'." >:( Feb 21 15:37:07 i haven't had this problem before :( Feb 21 15:39:36 bÃ-man: ignore the error Feb 21 15:45:09 Stskeeps: it's not uploading to the repo though Feb 21 15:46:27 mm Feb 21 15:46:34 well remove 'allÃ' from the distributions thing then Feb 21 15:46:39 look at my conf files maybe Feb 21 15:46:41 they are public Feb 21 15:49:45 * Stskeeps tries out OS2008HE Feb 21 15:52:53 X-Fade, debianutils in extras seems to be breaking a couple of builds Feb 21 15:53:44 lo all) Feb 21 15:53:58 lo wazd Feb 21 15:55:48 While my metro ride I came up with cool ui idea Feb 21 15:55:52 But I forgot it( Feb 21 15:55:56 hehe, hate when that happens Feb 21 15:56:10 you have some brilliant idea and then your eyes catch some beautiful woman.. Feb 21 15:56:30 exactly) Feb 21 15:58:47 liqbase Feb 21 15:58:58 carry it, write it, remember it Feb 21 15:59:10 * b-man is going to go crazy; now reprepro errors out because 'all' is not in the config file, even after running reprepro clearvanished Feb 21 15:59:47 -_- Feb 21 16:00:07 all hasnt vanished :P Feb 21 16:00:15 lcuk: you're a real liq-addict you know xD Feb 21 16:00:53 wazd_n800, its available instantly and does what i want without messing so why shouldnt i be :P Feb 21 16:01:28 im only changing it now so if you dont like the way it works it can be altered to your tastes :) Feb 21 16:01:49 and it looks pretty :P Feb 21 16:02:48 lcuk: nevermind xD Feb 21 16:03:16 how are you anyway wazd_n800 Feb 21 16:03:51 lcuk: riding the train to my country Feb 21 16:03:55 crap i shouldnt try singing, my throat still hurts Feb 21 16:04:10 cool, are you inside the train or ontop of it bond style :D Feb 21 16:04:37 lcuk: 2nd :P Feb 21 16:04:55 lcuk: India-style)) Feb 21 16:05:36 heh, somehow i cant see it working at your latitude, you would be frozen solid Feb 21 16:08:10 Stskeeps, btw, can you find the link to my bubble-icons?) Feb 21 16:08:25 lcuk: true) Feb 21 16:08:45 Stskeeps, i've lost it ( Feb 21 16:09:30 wazd, with any of these ui bits you make, do them as transparent pngs at a reasonable resolution and ill try them out for size in liqbase :) Feb 21 16:09:33 wazd_n800, http://i033.radikal.ru/0902/13/b67e20b284bb.png ? Feb 21 16:11:08 lcuk: liqbase needs different ui, it's not an OS) Feb 21 16:13:02 lcuk: I can try to make someting for it, with better feature usage) Feb 21 16:13:20 qwerty12, yeah, thanks a lot) Feb 21 16:14:02 ok, but so far jaffas buttons look wicked :) Feb 21 16:14:11 was just thinking about other shapes Feb 21 16:18:57 Hello people, good news: Dave Sparks confirmed to me that all alarms and ringtones included in the Android platform are free under Apache 2.0 license Feb 21 16:19:11 I can make a package Feb 21 16:19:34 zenvoid: hello Feb 21 16:19:36 now we have alarms for the clock, but there is no clock app ;-) Feb 21 16:20:06 * b-man gives up, it looks like i'll just have to re-build the entire repository.... AGAIN X( Feb 21 16:21:36 I've taken the sounds from android sources and placed them here: http://freepats.zenvoid.org/system-sounds/android/ Feb 21 16:21:49 hello wazd :) Feb 21 16:22:26 Any gunshot ones there? :) Feb 21 16:23:43 also I was thinking to port osso-chess to Mer, is somebody trying to port it? Feb 21 16:25:22 zenvoid: lo, and no, but good luck - you need hildon-games-wrapper (i think) Feb 21 16:25:28 and sounds good about android platform Feb 21 16:26:07 osso-chess user interface sources are free, but graphics and sounds are not. I will make the sounds and the graphics for chess pieces Feb 21 16:26:31 maybe I will need some help from wazd for buttons Feb 21 16:26:58 zenvoid, make'em underwater :) Feb 21 16:27:31 wazd_n800: the chess pieces??? Feb 21 16:27:54 zenvoid, yep :) Feb 21 16:28:25 haha Feb 21 16:28:51 or with fish, dolphins, sea creatures ;P Feb 21 16:29:05 zenvoid, why not?) Feb 21 16:29:18 wazd_n800: my skills with graphics are limited, I was thinking to take the pieces from other free chess programs Feb 21 16:29:18 how would you call a thread in ITT to collect missing apps of the users in it... "[collecting thread] - What apps do you need"? Feb 21 16:30:03 thopiekar: there is a thread like that right now Feb 21 16:30:13 huch.. url? Feb 21 16:30:18 thopiekar: and i would say wishlist Feb 21 16:30:23 zenvoid: I can help with graphics) Feb 21 16:30:32 wazd_n800: good!!! Feb 21 16:30:41 thopiekar, simpsons did it) Feb 21 16:30:43 thopiekar: the what ports/apps one Feb 21 16:31:21 * thopiekar is interested in porting simple apps.. Feb 21 16:31:40 "what apps do we need on new tablets??????" - like that Feb 21 16:31:41 +9999999999 Feb 21 16:31:51 hello cat Feb 21 16:32:20 * wazd_n800 thinks we need new tablets first) Feb 21 16:32:28 timeless, hey Feb 21 16:33:01 timeless, I have a small suggestion for US_en locale Feb 21 16:33:11 wazd_n800: "what apps do we need on new tablets" wasn't really helpful.. Feb 21 16:33:22 wazd: i'm listening Feb 21 16:33:35 oh. we need en_SU. à :P 'in soviet union, application uninstalls you!') Feb 21 16:33:35 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4137 Feb 21 16:33:47 could someone please yell at that reporter? :( Feb 21 16:34:45 timeless, for battery status display, I think it's better to write "1 hour of use" instead of "one hour of use" Feb 21 16:35:25 wazd: oh, you're one of those Feb 21 16:35:26 alright Feb 21 16:35:28 * timeless sighs Feb 21 16:35:34 * timeless likes words Feb 21 16:35:42 it'll be changed in the next push Feb 21 16:35:45 screen estate? :P Feb 21 16:36:23 timeless, well, people catch numbers automaticaly, without reading Feb 21 16:37:30 timeless, when you have numbers for all hours and suddenly a word for "1" - it's confusing) Feb 21 16:37:50 interesting Feb 21 16:40:27 moo wazd, moo all Feb 21 16:40:44 RST38h, hola) Feb 21 16:41:11 * timeless pokes jeremiah Feb 21 16:41:35 timeless, I was considering it but just didn't have the energy. Feb 21 16:42:14 jeremiah, s/maemo/Maemo/g ;) Feb 21 16:42:16 Hey, he followed the template right? =) Feb 21 16:43:28 GAN <-- really persistent about that M letter Feb 21 16:44:33 RST38h, I hoping everybody will notice so I can stop being so. ;) Feb 21 16:45:07 rst: i'd normally poke people about the spelling of M Feb 21 16:45:15 but since GAN is doing it instead, i'm leaving it for him :) Feb 21 16:45:28 currently i'm trying to poke someone @FN about the spelling of 'f' Feb 21 16:46:10 "Fn" I guess Feb 21 16:46:13 * timeless tries to remember if avs is in HEL proper Feb 21 16:46:20 wazd: actually, no, 'Fund' Feb 21 16:47:11 timeless, I thought it's about button, sorry) Feb 21 16:48:36 ok, my trainstop, cya in an hour guys Feb 21 16:49:02 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/627622 Feb 21 16:49:19 ... Open Screen Project fund ... Feb 21 16:49:36 ... Open Screen Project Fund ... Feb 21 16:49:43 so, how does one write 'f'? :( Feb 21 16:50:02 with a small dash? Feb 21 16:50:17 * aquatix is not sure what timeless is on about :) Feb 21 16:50:35 aquatix: remember that gan cares about Maemo (Software) and maemo.org Feb 21 16:50:44 Imagine there was a group 'Forum Nokia' Feb 21 16:50:50 which half the time wrote 'Forum nokia' Feb 21 16:50:58 spelling counts Feb 21 16:51:04 especially for the name of proper nouns Feb 21 16:51:11 except in this blasted country Feb 21 16:51:24 where they don't understand that proper nouns are supposed to be capitalized Feb 21 16:51:27 oh, you mean whether to write fund with F or f? Feb 21 16:51:30 yes Feb 21 16:51:34 kk Feb 21 16:51:49 sorry, [bee in bonet], ... Feb 21 16:51:56 depends whether `fund' is included in the name Feb 21 16:52:14 or that it is the `Open Screen Project' fund Feb 21 16:52:18 s/n/nn/ Feb 21 16:52:18 timeless meant: sorry, [bee inn bonet], ... Feb 21 16:52:26 s/one/onne/ Feb 21 16:52:28 timeless meant: sorry, [bee in bonnet], ... Feb 21 16:52:50 aquatix: yeah well, one would hope that *they* in announcing the stupid thing would actually know Feb 21 16:52:53 and get it right Feb 21 16:53:40 they do it consitently with lowercase f Feb 21 16:53:47 no Feb 21 16:53:58 in that pasted article they do Feb 21 16:53:58 use a better 'find' Feb 21 16:54:01 no., Feb 21 16:54:24 To apply for funding, visit the Open Screen Project Fund website. Feb 21 16:54:24 line 48 Feb 21 16:54:25 ah Feb 21 16:55:24 btw, there's a PR from Adobe too Feb 21 16:55:37 http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200902/021609AdobeNokia.html Feb 21 16:55:47 nice Feb 21 16:55:51 they have no clue either Feb 21 16:56:35 i'm still 99% certain it was written by someone in the Finnish Nokia side Feb 21 16:56:42 because it isn't American English Feb 21 16:57:18 heh Feb 21 17:00:44 think i am going to have to put xp on the artigo Feb 21 17:01:08 mostly because the damn skype phones i got require a windows computer.. i thought they came with a dect routing base but don't! Feb 21 17:01:17 what a load of shit :) i knew $50 was too good to be true Feb 21 17:01:26 they work really well though Feb 21 17:09:13 it's nice to have this slim burner in this shuttle box now Feb 21 17:09:22 k45 kicks ass.. k48 sucks compared to it Feb 21 17:09:45 i mean cmon.. no pci slot? :) wtf were they thinking.. i guess they didn't want to pull business away from the k45 Feb 21 17:11:38 is there a way to remove own threads on itt... Feb 21 17:12:19 I created the wishlist but after 30 of searching I found the thread of VDVsx ^^ Feb 21 17:12:31 *minutes Feb 21 17:13:43 hey, this is linux, people have the choice about which wishlist they might want to post to! Feb 21 17:14:48 :D isn't there a way to remove the thread... I don't want to spam the forum with it now... Feb 21 17:15:45 heh, you will cringe everytime someone adds something to it! Feb 21 17:15:58 :( Feb 21 17:16:16 :P Feb 21 17:16:17 osso-chess is shit Feb 21 17:16:26 pychess? Feb 21 17:16:39 thopiekar: yes, I think it will be much better Feb 21 17:16:59 zenvoid: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=266085#post266085 Feb 21 17:17:02 ^^ Feb 21 17:17:05 trying to port osso-chess is a waste of time Feb 21 17:17:28 why Feb 21 17:18:21 thopiekar: ah, good point, add pychess to the list of apps ;-) Feb 21 17:18:44 yes I don't think it's difficult to port.. Feb 21 17:19:09 porting != building Feb 21 17:19:15 porting pychess would be hildonizing it Feb 21 17:19:23 osso is already done Feb 21 17:19:34 sryx qwerty12 :) Feb 21 17:19:40 lcuk: but osso-chess is very limited Feb 21 17:19:43 thopiekar, someone replied :P Feb 21 17:19:52 zenvoid, its chess? Feb 21 17:20:04 ? Feb 21 17:20:05 I will try it after I'm finished with pulseaudio or even with my nervs working on it.. Feb 21 17:20:07 ^^ Feb 21 17:20:32 move that piece to there, we could get some cgi on it, but the basic thing doesnt change Feb 21 17:20:44 haha nice one lcuk :D Feb 21 17:21:02 I may bring the "ossoized" version of lmarbles to Mer, rather do like that game... Feb 21 17:21:27 but it can't save games, sometimes can be very long, and if you run out of battery and close the app, the game is lost Feb 21 17:21:28 tracy likes mahjong Feb 21 17:23:54 thopiekar, vdvsx didn't post a suggestion in your thread Feb 21 17:24:40 hi VDVsx :) Feb 21 17:24:49 lcuk, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-mahjong/ - what are you waiting for, you're the coder ;) Feb 21 17:24:58 we have been talking about you :) Feb 21 17:25:26 thopiekar, good or bad ? Feb 21 17:25:27 lol Feb 21 17:25:43 you didnt post a suggestion of your own in the thread :P Feb 21 17:25:49 thopiekar: I also miss two things from my Palm OS PDA: PalmaryClock and the PIM software. I would love to replace my Palm with the N810 Feb 21 17:26:07 wouldn't it get sticky? Feb 21 17:26:27 zenvoid: are they available in the linux scene? Feb 21 17:26:38 thopiekar: no, that the problem :( Feb 21 17:26:46 hmm :| Feb 21 17:27:37 VDVsx: do you know how to remove threads from itt? Feb 21 17:27:50 like duplicates.. Feb 21 17:28:19 thopiekar, dont worry, its a bit of a laugh Feb 21 17:28:19 thopiekar, I think isn't possible, if you have more than 1 post Feb 21 17:28:20 I started one and I noticed it as a duplicate one after 30mins Feb 21 17:28:21 ^^ Feb 21 17:28:26 -.- Feb 21 17:28:35 lcuk !!! Feb 21 17:28:56 lcuk: ok then *g* Feb 21 17:34:59 ~lart Werror Feb 21 17:34:59 * infobot_ executes killall -KILL Werror Feb 21 17:39:39 Fuckers... Nokia's lmarbles depends on osso-graphics-game-lmarbles which is nokia's gfx. I'll have to make my own osso-graphics-game-lmarbles package with original lmarbles graphics. Feb 21 17:40:27 qwerty12, or you can ask for it to be opened up :) Feb 21 17:40:31 qwerty12: closed? Feb 21 17:40:34 qwerty12: yes, the same with osso chess and mahjong Feb 21 17:41:29 omg who thinks nokia would steal this "useful" code to make money.. -.-' Feb 21 17:41:30 lcuk, not worth waiting, I can just make my own clone of osso-graphics-game-lmarbles with the original graphics by the lmarbles people. Not as flashy but works :) Feb 21 17:41:45 qwerty12: I can help you with the sounds if you want Feb 21 17:41:47 *nod* i understand that Feb 21 17:42:20 zenvoid, that would be nice :). apart from saying random things in a microphone, I can't do much with sound at all :) Feb 21 17:42:27 paging doctor wazd, theres a package reuiring your assistance ;) Feb 21 17:42:35 requiring Feb 21 17:43:04 qwerty12, those ball icons he made earlier could be used Feb 21 17:43:40 so you play with the icons XDDD Feb 21 17:44:32 Yeah, so far I'll just use the original stuff just to get it "out there" but I will definitely be happy to accept replacements once I've got the packaging done and the game actually running :) Feb 21 17:46:27 oddly, nokia's osso-graphics-game-lmarbles package doesn't have a copyright file inside it. I know I can't use them (no copyright != public domain) but still odd Feb 21 17:52:23 um Feb 21 17:52:29 if someone's going to fix lmarbles Feb 21 17:52:43 could they please do it in a way that people who are colorblind can use lmarbles? :) Feb 21 17:52:48 oh, speaking of chess Feb 21 17:52:58 the older releases of chess for maemo had more features Feb 21 17:53:09 sadly, among the features was some amusing deadlocks Feb 21 17:53:13 so they removed the features Feb 21 17:54:38 timeless: interesting way to fix bugs :D Feb 21 17:55:23 libtool, under mer's sbox sdk, is gonna need fixing so it produces an object file first, I'm getting "undefined reference to `main`". Feb 21 17:55:28 zenvoid: yeah well Feb 21 17:55:36 the other way as evidenced friday... Feb 21 17:55:59 was to pass the bug through a dozen people w/ zero understanding of the problem Feb 21 17:56:05 until someone said "not my problem, wontifx" Feb 21 17:56:12 XD Feb 21 17:56:41 :D Feb 21 17:57:57 :D Feb 21 17:58:08 D: Feb 21 17:58:40 /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory Feb 21 17:58:40 -> reinstalling sb1 then? Feb 21 18:03:05 thopiekar: hmmm... should be included in debconf package, I think Feb 21 18:03:16 qwerty12: libtool2 and maemo is unhappy together Feb 21 18:03:40 libtool2 is even outdated Stskeeps... Feb 21 18:03:48 Stskeeps, bollocks, got an example fix? I'll adapt it to lmarbles sometime Feb 21 18:03:58 like the rest of the sdk :D Feb 21 18:04:10 .. Feb 21 18:04:24 qwerty12: does it try to do maemo launcher stuff or? Feb 21 18:04:36 thopiekar: wtf, libtool2 isn't outdated Feb 21 18:05:21 Stskeeps, actually, fuck osso-lmarbles, I just looked more closely: non-free/misc. Fucking Nokia. Feb 21 18:05:21 ok libltld2 ^^ Feb 21 18:05:28 a part of libtool.. Feb 21 18:05:34 qwerty12: lovely Feb 21 18:05:51 I don't know how they can call it closed as it's just basically a wrapper around lmarbles Feb 21 18:06:05 well, what does the copyright folder say? Feb 21 18:06:18 Copyright:\nCopyright (c) 2004, 2005 Nokia Corporation. Feb 21 18:06:19 qwerty12: ????? the engine should be free Feb 21 18:06:35 i just had a former 770 user come by at this LAN party and talk about how he only used it too play mahjong.. Feb 21 18:06:47 zenvoid, they've put it in the non-free section but the COPYING file says it's GPL2 Feb 21 18:06:52 fuck me, i'm confused. Feb 21 18:07:37 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1.2/free/o/osso-lmarbles/ Feb 21 18:07:57 zenvoid, look at debian/control & debian/copyright. The copying file contradicts it though Feb 21 18:08:07 yes, I see Feb 21 18:08:26 Do nokia get anything right? Feb 21 18:08:28 qwerty12: it seems that the copyright file is copied from other package Feb 21 18:08:47 it should be fixed Feb 21 18:08:54 file a bug.. Feb 21 18:08:55 :P Feb 21 18:09:38 and it looks that it is not the only one... other GPL packages seem to have the same copyright file inside Feb 21 18:09:47 hmmm... Feb 21 18:09:51 The package is quite odd actually, god knows why it depends on the ke-recv strings Feb 21 18:10:26 probably because someone copied the skel of other package to be used a a base :D Feb 21 18:10:49 Yeah, lazy people :D Feb 21 18:13:29 well... maybe the copyright file is for build scripts (debian/*) Feb 21 18:13:55 but it is a bug anyways, they should also be free Feb 21 18:15:15 ... uhmm... well, I don't know, fucking nokia too :P Feb 21 18:19:40 I'm back Feb 21 18:20:27 hello wazd :) Feb 21 18:20:53 hello, will maemo sdk+(Scratchbox2) replace maemo sdk (Scratchbox1) in frematle? Feb 21 18:21:36 hmm http://pastebin.com/d654d06a9 does anyone know why this happend? Feb 21 18:21:49 jjardon: don't think so.. Feb 21 18:22:33 and in future releases? Feb 21 18:23:11 Can i develop with sdk+ for diablo? Feb 21 18:24:22 * thopiekar is a sb1 user, who tried sb2 but wasn't really attired in it :D Feb 21 18:24:41 jjardon: I also prefer sb2, but currently it has some bugs that make many programs fail to compile Feb 21 18:25:44 sometimes rm -r enters an infinite loops that eat all cpu and memory until the oom killer appears Feb 21 18:27:18 I'm starting and I would want to learn only one dev environment ;-), so I've installed sb2 Feb 21 18:29:02 someone was using my username 0o Feb 21 18:29:24 b-man: omg^^ Feb 21 18:29:24 that isn't you? :P Feb 21 18:29:34 no Feb 21 18:29:44 :P Feb 21 18:29:55 hi Feb 21 18:30:02 hello Feb 21 18:30:03 hi Feb 21 18:31:01 Stskeeps: your guess? http://pastebin.com/d654d06a9 Feb 21 18:31:06 does anyone know how to configure eclipse in order to compile a qt application as in armel target? Feb 21 18:31:29 sandel: 1. no 2. yes Feb 21 18:32:01 usually you would use qt with c++ or python... Feb 21 18:32:29 yes Feb 21 18:32:40 it's a qt application Feb 21 18:32:51 a project in eclipse Feb 21 18:33:15 have you a plugin for it? for qt? Feb 21 18:33:22 but I want to compile it from eclipse using armel or x86 target Feb 21 18:34:04 i have that qt integration plugin installed in eclipse Feb 21 18:34:32 wow should be added in my project easy-sdk... :P Feb 21 18:35:06 if you use the plugin in which language have you to code.. Feb 21 18:35:07 ? Feb 21 18:35:30 i'm using c++ with qt Feb 21 18:35:48 you have to install esbox then.. Feb 21 18:35:53 and cdt Feb 21 18:35:56 i also have installed that esbox Feb 21 18:35:58 and cdt Feb 21 18:36:12 on 3.3 europa? Feb 21 18:36:25 but when i choose to make a maemo application Feb 21 18:36:35 for 86 or armel target Feb 21 18:36:47 i canot compile a qt application Feb 21 18:36:49 yes Feb 21 18:36:54 europa winter Feb 21 18:37:00 :P Feb 21 18:38:31 you should create a esbox-project and create a qt-project "over it".. create the build env and there you go :P Feb 21 18:38:36 should work.. Feb 21 18:39:21 exactly that is the thing i can't make Feb 21 18:39:40 create the build environment Feb 21 18:41:01 have you configured your sb1 well? Feb 21 18:41:33 installed sb1 with the script and maemo diablo, too? Feb 21 18:41:38 it's configured Feb 21 18:41:40 yes Feb 21 18:41:44 hmm Feb 21 18:41:57 have you installed all qt packages on the target? Feb 21 18:42:04 yes Feb 21 18:42:12 for x86 and armel both Feb 21 18:42:37 is it necesarry to create a new target? Feb 21 18:42:47 hmm have you configured esbox in eclipse, too? Feb 21 18:42:51 no Feb 21 18:42:55 yes Feb 21 18:43:05 it's configured Feb 21 18:43:44 are you using linux? Feb 21 18:44:27 yes Feb 21 18:44:45 i have scratchbox installed under ubuntu 8.10 Feb 21 18:45:28 if I create an esbox project and then a qt project over it Feb 21 18:46:04 must I delete the sources before adding the qt project? Feb 21 18:46:41 open a terminal and type in which java.. Feb 21 18:47:21 I'm not sure but it could be that you are using gcj which makes eclipse buggy Feb 21 18:47:23 ^^ Feb 21 18:50:38 excuse me.. type in " sudo update-alternatives --config java " .. and write back which java is marked.. Feb 21 18:54:33 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java Feb 21 18:54:46 it says there is nothing to configure Feb 21 18:55:13 :| don't know whats the problem then.. Feb 21 18:55:40 but you are not using eclipse from apt.. right? Feb 21 18:55:52 I tried to make an esbox project and then add a qt project Feb 21 18:56:08 but there are 2 different perspectives here Feb 21 18:56:20 so no success Feb 21 18:56:48 I think you have to switch between them too Feb 21 18:56:57 s/too/two/ Feb 21 18:56:57 thopiekar meant: I think you have to switch between them two Feb 21 18:57:35 yes but if a switch it makes two projects Feb 21 18:57:39 instead of one Feb 21 18:57:56 choose the cdt perspective and make env with it.. Feb 21 18:59:03 can you help me set up this env? Feb 21 18:59:09 hmm I'm not really familar with the qt-plugin so I can't help you Feb 21 18:59:16 aha Feb 21 18:59:17 ok Feb 21 18:59:19 thanks Feb 21 18:59:32 whats the url for the plugin? Feb 21 18:59:40 I could try it.. Feb 21 19:00:05 thopiekar: It looks like you uploaded a package called debianutils yesterday? Feb 21 19:00:25 jeremiah: possible... Feb 21 19:00:26 http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/eclipse-integration Feb 21 19:00:31 thopiekar: It is causing breakage of other people's builds Feb 21 19:00:48 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4139 Feb 21 19:00:50 ;( shit Feb 21 19:01:00 Do you have an older version? Feb 21 19:01:06 Or a working version? Feb 21 19:01:08 of what? Feb 21 19:01:27 of: debianutils_2.29maemo2_armel.deb Feb 21 19:02:03 how is the path of apt's cache? Feb 21 19:02:20 thopiekar: No big deal, I can replace it with one from diablo. Feb 21 19:02:44 huch.. I thought :P Feb 21 19:03:23 I'm really wondering why it causes breakages.. Feb 21 19:03:57 I don't think that I have prepared the control-file much.. Feb 21 19:04:30 aah btw.. do you know why this happens: http://pastebin.com/d654d06a9 Feb 21 19:04:31 ^^ Feb 21 19:04:40 sorry but I have just one more question Feb 21 19:04:49 using only esbox plugin Feb 21 19:05:20 how can I compile qt code in it? Feb 21 19:05:40 jeremiah: ? Feb 21 19:06:00 Hi, I will be back and forth here, trying to fix the autobuilder Feb 21 19:14:12 jeremiah: or do you mean xutils.. Feb 21 19:14:14 ? Feb 21 19:15:46 Well if you look at the bug report, people seem pretty convinced that it is http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/d/debianutils/debianutils_2.17_i386.deb Feb 21 19:15:56 that got changed. Feb 21 19:16:19 thopiekar: why did you upload a newer version of the debianutils package at all? Feb 21 19:17:23 because I needed it for pulseaudio or something else.. Feb 21 19:18:13 sry man :| I should get in contact with jeremiah in future before uploading packages like that.. Feb 21 19:18:27 * timeless pokes jeremiah Feb 21 19:18:28 thopiekar: are you shure that pulseaudio will not work with the older debianutils from diablo? Feb 21 19:19:15 jeremiah: so... about tool chain upgrades Feb 21 19:19:25 if you or someone else wants something upgraded Feb 21 19:19:37 they need to ask *very* early Feb 21 19:19:50 because any attempt to break the toolchain late is likely to break some app internally Feb 21 19:19:55 I am currently rebuilding the sources from ubuntu (intrepid) and there was debhelper7 needed and this also needs a newer debianutils.. Feb 21 19:19:57 thopiekar: No big deal, these things happen. Feb 21 19:20:02 and such a break being unacceptable would cause the toolchain upgrade to be bounced Feb 21 19:20:05 I think the situation was like that.. Feb 21 19:20:15 timeless: Well, I think we should make this kind of thing impossible. Feb 21 19:20:29 jeremiah: which thing? Feb 21 19:20:49 timeless: A random upload allowed to sabotage the build deamons. Feb 21 19:20:58 err Feb 21 19:21:06 did i miss something? Feb 21 19:21:20 did someone break the autobuilders? :) Feb 21 19:21:23 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4139 Feb 21 19:21:28 jeremiah: maybe it would be a good idea to force some kind of manual approvemen at least for packages which are maeked as essential (debianutils would be such a package) :) Feb 21 19:21:30 i meant a request to change the nokia infra :) Feb 21 19:21:38 timeless: I thought that was what you were referring to. :) Feb 21 19:21:52 chelli: This sounds like an excellent idea. :) Feb 21 19:22:11 chelli: I think we need to come up with some kind of QA assurance that is automated. Feb 21 19:22:16 jeremiah: i meant something from your mailinglist Feb 21 19:22:21 But this type of thing can happen. Feb 21 19:22:39 timeless: Oh! Yeah, that. Feb 21 19:22:41 jeremiah: or even further, replace the current upload queue handling with dak, afaik X-Fade already experimented with dak :) Feb 21 19:22:58 jeremiah: however, this is a good example of why such a request needs to be done as i described :) Feb 21 19:23:08 timeless: I hope that was not taken as a criticism, I am just uncertain of the time scale I ought to expect. Feb 21 19:23:40 jeremiah: oh, *shrug*, i don't care Feb 21 19:23:45 it's not my area Feb 21 19:23:52 i'm just providing an explanation Feb 21 19:24:03 commercial systems can't move as fast Feb 21 19:24:06 chelli: Yeah, X-Fade and I have been discussing dak. Feb 21 19:24:23 timeless: Yeah, from my experience inside Ericsson they were pretty slow. Feb 21 19:24:35 jeremiah: i also think that some automated qa-testing would be very good (the lintian package like you requested on maemo-developers would be a very good starting point) Feb 21 19:25:08 chelli: I would like us all to modify it so it is more maemo specific, I think we can get some good packages that way. Feb 21 19:25:09 jeremiah: and i think that something like the Debian PTS would be great for maemo Feb 21 19:25:29 chelli: Man, you read my mind. I have been thinking that too. Feb 21 19:25:33 :) Feb 21 19:26:28 jeremiah: don't foreget if you will modify the interface like that as discussed now... don't foreget to add two fields to fill out like in garage.. "Have you really talked about that with jeremiah?" and "Have you really really talked about that with jeremiah?" for people like me who don't know that this packages is so much important for the others.. Feb 21 19:26:32 :P Feb 21 19:26:32 Throws some Maemo's around. Feb 21 19:26:37 /me Feb 21 19:26:49 thopiekar: heh. Feb 21 19:27:09 I can't be the gatekeeper. :) Feb 21 19:27:10 :) Feb 21 19:27:16 This is something we all share anyway. Feb 21 19:27:48 We all just need to come up with ways to make sure that our automated build system stays healthy for users. :) Feb 21 19:29:55 Taser implants for all Extras uploaders. Feb 21 19:30:01 http://pastebin.com/d654d06a9 .... any ideas? Feb 21 19:30:45 * Stskeeps uploads source for the 770 wifi experiment (didn't succeed at 2.6.28 :P) Feb 21 19:30:46 GAN800: heh, some kind of electro-shock-over-ethernet. :) Feb 21 19:31:04 hehe Feb 21 19:33:10 * timeless hunts dinner Feb 21 19:33:19 we can introduce something like the "maemo blame game", simmiliar to what other projects are doing (http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2009/02/09/blame-game/ for an example) :) Feb 21 19:37:08 * b-man resumes to working on Ubuntu-Installer Feb 21 19:37:36 chelli: I'll have to look at that, Daniel is kind of a friend of mine so I doubt he would be too mean. :) Feb 21 19:37:59 :) Feb 21 19:38:40 chelli: That is actually a really good idea. I will put it on my list. Feb 21 19:42:04 sPeaking of lists... Feb 21 19:46:35 * thopiekar is going to turn off his pc... Feb 21 19:46:52 cu! Feb 21 19:48:58 wzad: you really want 1? Feb 21 19:49:18 * timelE61i kinda likes the difference Feb 21 19:49:32 it hints that it's important Feb 21 19:49:35 Oh well Feb 21 19:50:33 Jeremiah: so... Uninstall path? Feb 21 19:50:47 Also, does dpkg divert handle upgrades? Feb 21 19:51:42 I.e. If i divert file a1 from pkg pA, and pA is upgraded, does the upgrade apply to the diversion? Feb 21 19:51:51 timelE61i: Ah, the old uninstall path. :) Feb 21 19:52:11 Someday it'll be an old friend Feb 21 19:52:14 timelE61i: I don't have an answer for you yet. :-/ Feb 21 19:52:20 But I will get one. Feb 21 19:52:20 Today, it's merely a shared nemesis Feb 21 19:52:25 heh Feb 21 19:52:34 A sense of humor! Feb 21 19:52:44 :) Feb 21 19:53:04 Search your feelings ... Feb 21 19:53:21 I have, and I am very scared and frightened. Feb 21 19:53:27 They're broadcasting the animated star wars here Feb 21 19:53:49 You finns really know how to live, we have hockey on TV Feb 21 19:54:01 But I like hockey. :) Feb 21 19:54:20 We're supposed to have one of the season openers here in HEL Feb 21 19:54:31 timelE61i: Yeah I saw that! Feb 21 19:54:34 I need to figure out if i can go to the friday game Feb 21 19:54:39 It seems unlikely Feb 21 19:54:41 We are too, in Stockholm Feb 21 19:54:48 The Red Wings. Feb 21 19:55:05 The Red Wings are mostly Swedish anyway. Feb 21 19:55:23 I think your matchup sounded beter Feb 21 19:55:36 s/ete/etter/ Feb 21 19:55:37 timelE61i meant: I think your matchup sounded betterr Feb 21 19:55:55 My ketchup does sound batter. Feb 21 19:56:04 Eh? Feb 21 19:56:16 Where did that extra 'r' come from? Feb 21 19:56:22 Oh Feb 21 19:56:27 * timelE61i cries Feb 21 19:58:03 BTW people, I think you can try to upload and autbuild stuff again, I did a hacky manual "fix". Feb 21 19:58:15 Hopefully that will hold for a while. :) Feb 21 19:59:06 Replacement package? Feb 21 20:01:25 Well, not really a replacement, just pulled down an old one from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/d/debianutils/ Feb 21 20:12:29 Hey Feb 21 20:12:39 Anyone here use gizmo' Feb 21 20:19:29 is anyone here familiar with testing osso_hw_state_t? Feb 21 20:27:29 * timelE61i sighs Feb 21 20:27:35 these strings suck Feb 21 20:27:48 Wazd: ping Feb 21 20:28:08 Or gan, jaffa, someone :) Feb 21 20:29:13 http://photofile.ru/photo/derais.fotoplenka/140142663/xlarge/146398325.jpg Feb 21 20:36:46 lo slonopotamus Feb 21 20:37:00 hi sts Feb 21 20:37:09 how's it going? Feb 21 20:37:53 * RST38h moss at Sts Feb 21 20:37:56 moos Feb 21 20:38:27 moo RST38h Feb 21 20:38:59 tired. spent some time profiling emerge (gentoo package manager) results: +20% speedup. not enough, but good anyway. Feb 21 20:39:21 mm Feb 21 20:39:31 * Stskeeps has been doing 770 experiments with modern kernels Feb 21 20:39:51 actually made a compilable cx3110x for 2.6.28 and a insertable umac.ko but it didn't work that well :/ Feb 21 20:40:01 modern = not maemo 2.6.21? Feb 21 20:40:09 * RST38h has been digging into ARM assembly and found a few weird things Feb 21 20:40:12 yeah Feb 21 20:40:20 well 2.6.21 would be modern for 770 too.. Feb 21 20:40:25 Very non-obvious Feb 21 20:40:26 it is at 2.6.16 Feb 21 20:40:38 RST38h: ? Feb 21 20:40:55 Stskeeps, why do you need cx3110x? why not sltc? Feb 21 20:41:02 ssvb: I have found a program that does MOV LR/BLL instead of BLH/BLL for example Feb 21 20:41:06 slonopotamus: no 770 support for stlc45xx Feb 21 20:41:18 it is a stlc4370 there so Feb 21 20:41:21 ssvb: And also does LDM/STM with misaligned stack address Feb 21 20:41:25 ah Feb 21 20:42:23 RST38h, why do you need to dig arm assembly? Feb 21 20:42:36 slono: For various reasons. Feb 21 20:42:54 Stskeeps, i packaged cx3110x, it compiles & works. Feb 21 20:43:01 slonopotamus: good Feb 21 20:43:02 RST38h: regarding LDM/STM, it is probably a bug in a program (unaligned int * pointer), and gcc just optimized loading of several variables Feb 21 20:43:03 mostly insuring compatibility Feb 21 20:43:11 Stskeeps, so Feb 21 20:43:16 oops Feb 21 20:43:28 ssvb: I have no idea what was used to compile the program but doubt it was gcc optimization Feb 21 20:43:42 ssvb: In any case, LDM/STM seem to completely ignore lower two bits Feb 21 20:43:50 RST38h: that's a bit nasty because with the older kernels the process would get stuck on that LDM instruction constantly triggering exceptions Feb 21 20:43:55 Stskeeps, so theoretically i have wifi, just heed to configure it & write docs. Feb 21 20:44:11 svb: It may trigger exceptions on ARM9+ Feb 21 20:44:14 RST38h: that's on ARM11, don't know about older cores Feb 21 20:44:21 ssvb; My target was ARM7TDMI Feb 21 20:44:46 ssvb: No exceptions apparently, and not even a customary shift ARM does when accessing misaligned memory Feb 21 20:45:15 RSt38h: this stuff is clearly explained in ARM manual Feb 21 20:45:23 * slonopotamus just used proper mtune and didn't bother with assembly :) Feb 21 20:45:42 ssvb: If I remember correctly, it is marked as implementation dependent Feb 21 20:46:01 ssvb: I.e. they say "we do it this way on this core, but it may change" Feb 21 20:47:19 my mum says that accessing misaligned memory is bad. Feb 21 20:47:54 Well, they did not ask me. Feb 21 20:47:59 hehe. kidding. :) Feb 21 20:49:14 RST38h: MOV LR, .. is also a normal instruction, actually it is often used as MOV LR, PC / MOV PC, Rx to make a call of function by pointer, reading PC also conveniently returns address of 2 instructions ahead (8 bytes delta) Feb 21 20:53:49 ssvb: This is a little bit different Feb 21 20:54:00 ssvb: We are talking THUMB, not proper ARM Feb 21 20:54:20 ssvb: In THUMB, the "correct" way to call a function is BLH/BLL Feb 21 20:54:30 OR you can do MOVHI of course Feb 21 20:54:47 But MOV LR / BLL is weird Feb 21 20:55:41 Slonopotamus, can i trouble you to play w/ gizmo for 10mins? Feb 21 20:57:09 RST38h: ok, I never had to use THUMB myself so don't know much about it Feb 21 20:57:12 timelE61i, i need to install it? Feb 21 21:01:56 'lo _BuBU Feb 21 21:02:19 Not immediately Feb 21 21:02:31 First you need to suffer through its install dialogs Feb 21 21:02:32 <_BuBU> 'lo Stkkeeps Feb 21 21:02:51 * timelE61i doesn't like their text and needs to work out replacement language Feb 21 21:03:31 _BuBU: i put out pocket loox image along with Mer 0.8 release btw if you want to play (it doesn't have a correct theme for the resolution) Feb 21 21:03:32 hehe Feb 21 21:03:43 anyway, step one, tap apps, communicatiom, gizmo Feb 21 21:03:47 <_BuBU> ok thx Feb 21 21:03:50 RST38h: I'm getting spoiled by the new better hardware, even ARM11 seems a bit too old for me :) Feb 21 21:04:03 <_BuBU> will check it Feb 21 21:04:11 You should get a relatively harmless dialog asking if you want to install gizmo Feb 21 21:04:27 If at any time you find text objectionable, speak up Feb 21 21:04:41 when i click on gizmo, it says 'this software is not from Nokia. install Gizmo?' Feb 21 21:05:13 i'm not sure i'm interested whose software it is. Feb 21 21:05:13 hrm, that wasn't what i got... Feb 21 21:05:26 Indeed Feb 21 21:05:46 timelE61i, i'm translating what it says to me in russian :) Feb 21 21:05:46 Do you already have whichever catalog it's using installed? Feb 21 21:06:00 Because i got an add catalog dialog Feb 21 21:06:16 Which i'm guessing would have come before your dialog Feb 21 21:06:23 ssvb: I kinda don't care about the hardware age Feb 21 21:06:48 timelE61i, nope, catalogue question is next Feb 21 21:06:50 ssvb: Actually, I would prefer it not to throw exceptions at misaligned accesses, as it would make my job easier :) Feb 21 21:07:02 Oh! Odd Feb 21 21:08:08 timelE61i, if i say yes on girst one, it opens app mgr, waits and asks if i want to add catalogue Feb 21 21:08:19 ok Feb 21 21:08:32 So.. Do you find the catalog question oddly worded? Feb 21 21:09:03 Add catalog Feb 21 21:09:22 RST38h: I also don't care about the hardware age, but realistically speaking I somehow can't force myself to optimize SBC codec for ARMv6 for the last few weekends Feb 21 21:09:39 From the bug list: Feb 21 21:09:42 In order to install software from this source a catalog must be added. Add catalog now? Feb 21 21:09:50 Gizmo Catalogue Feb 21 21:10:35 1203 - Barbie Horse Adventures (E).gba Barbie's horse has holes. Feb 21 21:10:44 too many 'catalog' words Feb 21 21:10:54 slono: *nod* Feb 21 21:11:01 RST38h: lol Feb 21 21:11:02 ssvb: Maybe you should first optimize for MIPS32v1 Feb 21 21:11:13 Slono: also, "what's a source?" Feb 21 21:11:23 ssvb: After that, you will see how plush ARMv6 is Feb 21 21:11:47 timelE61i, dunno :) and what 'this' soure? Feb 21 21:12:04 dunno :) Feb 21 21:12:22 Good, so, you see the problems Feb 21 21:12:30 Shall we try to fix it? Feb 21 21:12:48 timelE61i, i guess the same message is shown when you click on .install file that adds repo. Feb 21 21:12:48 (it=the message / them=the problems) Feb 21 21:12:57 RST38h: well, I don't have any MIPS hardware anyway, but got another kind of "embedded" toy - playstation3 Feb 21 21:13:00 Slono: i believe so Feb 21 21:13:14 ssvb: That is PowerPC though Feb 21 21:13:21 Last i checked, these installers basically launch a .install file Feb 21 21:13:30 Not exactly a low-end hardware Feb 21 21:13:47 PST38h: yes, plus a bunch of SPE cores which might be fun to hack Feb 21 21:14:01 timelE61i, it's ugly, but understandable. and passable with 'next,next,next' strategy Feb 21 21:14:02 Naaah Feb 21 21:14:22 hah Feb 21 21:14:24 The whole thing was IBM's ploy to rob Sony of money Feb 21 21:14:32 And it worked beautifully! Feb 21 21:14:33 there isn't word 'passable'? Feb 21 21:14:51 Slono: you'd be able to use the rhapsody remote w/ that strategy Feb 21 21:15:43 RST38h: well, "only" 256MB of memory and framebuffer based video output without any kind of HW acceleration (when running linux of course), this somewhat reminds embedded systems Feb 21 21:16:25 RST38h: so it is quite similar to internet tablets, which also have DSP core Feb 21 21:16:41 ssvb: Real embedded systems only have red LEDs! =) Feb 21 21:16:50 RST38h: except that PS3 is quite hefty and eats a lot of power :) Feb 21 21:17:10 timelE61i, first dialog should better be something like 'in order to use Gizmo, it needs to be insstalled first. Continue?' Feb 21 21:17:14 Hehe, Wing Commander works now Feb 21 21:17:39 ssvb: BTW, PSP probably has a MIPS Feb 21 21:18:03 that works if user already knows what gizmo is :) Feb 21 21:18:41 hold on Feb 21 21:18:47 bringing up my translation editor Feb 21 21:18:51 * Stskeeps still thinks Gizmo, Skype, should be in HAM instead. Feb 21 21:18:58 crap. after adding repo it warns me _again_ that software was not created by nokia Feb 21 21:19:02 similar with flash Feb 21 21:19:23 don't even get me started on some of the bundled apps.. Feb 21 21:19:32 with big ugly appmgr banner Feb 21 21:20:00 and the fact they are mostly uninstallable :P Feb 21 21:20:03 slono: yeah, i got that one Feb 21 21:20:12 slonopotamus: which is why I use patched ham w/out that message :) Feb 21 21:20:15 odd that i didn't get the first one Feb 21 21:20:20 qwerty: cheater Feb 21 21:21:13 * Stskeeps ponders idly why his 770 says it is charging without the charger being in.. Feb 21 21:21:14 timeless, you get appmgr immediately when you click on gizmo icon? Feb 21 21:21:15 timeless: :p, it's a pita having to answer yes to the same question, this isn't windows! :) Feb 21 21:21:24 except if i have a magical fuel cell powered tablet.. Feb 21 21:22:12 slono: i got a do you want to install gizmo message Feb 21 21:22:18 and then the you need to add repo Feb 21 21:22:22 and then the this isn't nokia Feb 21 21:22:27 but i seem to be short one message Feb 21 21:22:33 * timeless feels cheated Feb 21 21:22:39 or at least shorted Feb 21 21:22:54 timeless, third one is standard bbig appmgr warning Feb 21 21:23:28 * timeless nods Feb 21 21:23:38 slono: but you'd agree it needs work? Feb 21 21:24:46 timeless, yep. i only want one confirmation asking me if i want to install it and warning me that i need internet connection. Feb 21 21:25:06 sadly i can't delete dialogs Feb 21 21:25:13 would that i could Feb 21 21:26:28 eep Feb 21 21:26:31 gizmo is stupid Feb 21 21:26:48 they have localizations for de, es, fr, it, and pt, but not en Feb 21 21:27:41 00:27 here. i probably should go to bed :) wife is sleeping already Feb 21 21:30:50 ok, after 3 OKs it says gizmo is installed (one more OK). now i have to close appmgr manually and pick gizmo from menu once more. Feb 21 21:31:28 heh Feb 21 21:32:11 "To install this software, the %s catalog must be added.\n Feb 21 21:32:17 Add now?" Feb 21 21:32:22 Sound better? Feb 21 21:32:22 incredible usability Feb 21 21:32:34 timelE61i, much better Feb 21 21:32:39 hmm Feb 21 21:32:48 Ok sleep well Feb 21 21:32:58 We can fight gizmo itself tomorrow Feb 21 21:33:02 will it become 'Gizmo Catalogue catalog'? Feb 21 21:33:11 Yes Feb 21 21:33:14 * timelE61i cries Feb 21 21:33:20 hehe Feb 21 21:34:01 "To install this software, a catalog must be added.\n Feb 21 21:34:19 Add now?\n Feb 21 21:34:25 %s" Feb 21 21:34:27 btw. wtf with this catalog/catalogue stuff? Feb 21 21:34:39 Uk v us Feb 21 21:34:54 the brits like ue's all over Feb 21 21:35:14 The americans aren't so wasteful Feb 21 21:35:16 are you sure anyone interested in catalog name at all? :) Feb 21 21:35:22 (real english v fake english a.k.a us english) Feb 21 21:35:40 And the idiots who designed the app didn't consult anyone before picking the terms Feb 21 21:36:03 Or they managed to consult someone who was totally ignorant Feb 21 21:36:07 Whichever Feb 21 21:36:47 slono: there's a details button Feb 21 21:36:55 I can omit %s Feb 21 21:36:58 timelE61i, that message won't work when user just clicks .install that adds catalog. Feb 21 21:37:08 oh Feb 21 21:37:22 no 'this software' in that case Feb 21 21:37:24 A .install file need not simply install software? Feb 21 21:37:48 * timelE61i nods Feb 21 21:37:59 .install file can just add catalog andd same message is used Feb 21 21:38:04 * timelE61i sighs Feb 21 21:38:09 yeah yeah Feb 21 21:38:16 Stupid Feb 21 21:38:22 * timelE61i will file a bug Feb 21 21:38:40 a message must only apply to a single context Feb 21 21:39:23 timelE61i, try .install file with multiple catalogs :) it gives this message for each of them Feb 21 21:39:30 Ok... So how the heck do i fix this message given it's broken by design? Feb 21 21:39:34 Oh nice Feb 21 21:42:24 timelE61i, 'To install additional software, the %s catalog must be added.\nAdd now?' and remove 'Catalogue' from gizmo .install file Feb 21 21:43:13 however that really should be two separate messages Feb 21 21:43:58 when you just add catalog and when you install software that needs catalog to be able to be installed. Feb 21 21:45:19 Slono: yes, yes, thanks, good night Feb 21 21:45:57 bb Feb 21 22:04:56 hrm Feb 21 22:05:00 * timeless is having issues w/ apt Feb 21 22:05:44 * Stskeeps is waiting for his 770 image to build so he can go to bed sometime tonight Feb 21 22:10:11 * b-man is watching some more gory htf episodes on youtube to pass the time Feb 21 22:14:10 b-man, youtube and gory dont really go together Feb 21 22:14:44 hehe Feb 21 22:19:28 hrm Feb 21 22:19:36 does mer support usb storage? Feb 21 22:20:26 why not? it's just a kernel module and host mode away Feb 21 22:20:46 well, i don't have X11, and while it detected my stick Feb 21 22:20:50 it didn't mount it, afaict Feb 21 22:20:56 it doesn't automount, no Feb 21 22:20:59 (yet) Feb 21 22:20:59 you get to mount it Feb 21 22:21:09 it doesn't do ivman Feb 21 22:21:24 you could add it I guess Feb 21 22:26:40 * timeless sighs Feb 21 22:26:55 %s v%s is available for download. %s%sClick OK to the download the new version. Feb 21 22:27:08 anyone see anything obviously wrong there? Feb 21 22:27:19 too many %s? ;> Feb 21 22:27:24 ignore those :) Feb 21 22:28:10 ooh, I know! is it the 'the'?! Feb 21 22:28:23 yup Feb 21 22:28:23 it is, it is! Feb 21 22:28:46 hehe Feb 21 22:35:30 Sex: Feb 21 22:35:32 * timeless sighs Feb 21 22:35:36 most people would say 'yes please' Feb 21 22:35:57 hehe Feb 21 22:36:10 * timeless sighs Feb 21 22:36:23 what idiot thought that english strings made good keys? Feb 21 22:36:28 i mean Feb 21 22:36:33 ok, so nokia's approach is stupid Feb 21 22:36:37 but gosh, this is worse Feb 21 22:40:16 * Stskeeps is a little impressed by os2007he Feb 21 22:40:42 lol Feb 21 22:40:48 Gizmo Error Feb 21 22:40:55 (-) Security Image Error Feb 21 22:41:02 Operation too slow. Less than 1 bytes/sec Feb 21 22:41:11 transfered the last 120 seconds Feb 21 22:41:14 [OK] Feb 21 22:43:19 * timeless sighs Feb 21 22:43:26 the Gizmo UI truly sucks Feb 21 22:43:33 * timeless remembers testing it a while ago Feb 21 22:43:41 it made me *want* to use Nokia apps Feb 21 22:44:55 and yes, the poor spelling of transferred was in the dialog Feb 21 22:46:39 Gizmo isn't worth using Feb 21 22:46:45 Just hook it up through rtcomm. Feb 21 22:46:50 including not worth translating? :) Feb 21 22:47:30 Are you guy still at it? Feb 21 22:47:40 It is almost midnight on a Saturday? Feb 21 22:47:52 no, it's almost 1am on sunday Feb 21 22:47:57 11:46pm here Feb 21 22:47:57 Why aren't you out partying or making merry? Feb 21 22:48:05 i am at a lan party drinking beer. Feb 21 22:48:06 :P Feb 21 22:48:06 you need to pay more attn to time zones :) Feb 21 22:48:21 jeremiah: i'm too old for that stuff :) Feb 21 22:48:45 timeless: I am older than you are and I still do that kind of stuff, though not really. :) Feb 21 22:49:10 what browser was in 2007HE? mozilla right? Feb 21 22:49:17 right Feb 21 22:50:01 * Stskeeps wonders why it feels faster. Feb 21 22:51:24 * timeless sighs Feb 21 22:51:40 gizmo of course is a typical app, it doesn't know how to spell 'Email' or was it 'E-mail' Feb 21 22:51:55 Stskeeps: What is 2007HE? Feb 21 22:52:02 Is that some version of maemo? Feb 21 22:52:06 jeremiah: the Hacker Edition of OS2007 for 770 Feb 21 22:52:11 HE=Hacker Edition Feb 21 22:52:12 Ah, thanks. Feb 21 22:52:15 there are a couple of HEs Feb 21 22:52:30 they were basically a poor attempt at what will hopefully be Mer Feb 21 22:52:41 instead of community supported, it was subcontracted Feb 21 22:52:42 timeless: "it's not provided by nokia" so why waste time on it? :) Feb 21 22:52:49 jeremiah: it was that times response to "nokia is fucking X device over" Feb 21 22:53:00 What does Nokia think of Mer? Feb 21 22:53:02 well, not so much, but yeah Feb 21 22:53:15 jeremiah: well, Nokia isn't particularly useful as a monolith Feb 21 22:53:26 Nokia must be thrilled you guys have picked up the ball and run with it on your own. Feb 21 22:53:30 but the individuals who know about it and who aren't Debian zealots don't seem to mind Feb 21 22:53:47 (a certain Debian zealot expressed a certain distaste over lunch) Feb 21 22:53:57 otoh, he mostly blamed them for following Nokia practices Feb 21 22:53:58 debian zealots? What are those? Feb 21 22:54:09 it was that or wait for debian to finally take care of upstart Feb 21 22:54:09 :P Feb 21 22:54:31 that was the honest choice for choosing ubuntu Feb 21 22:55:12 personally, i subscribe to : let he who is free from sin cast the first stone Feb 21 22:55:26 jeremiah: Mer started (as a proof of concept) before the announcement that Nokia wouldn't provide Fremantle for the older devices though Feb 21 22:55:34 * jeremiah casts stones everywhere Feb 21 22:55:44 jeremiah: typical debian zealot ;-) Feb 21 22:56:05 hehe Feb 21 22:56:08 w00t! Feb 21 22:56:50 jesus, i hate "Operation failed" messages Feb 21 22:56:59 BTW, just joined the lintian mailing list in debian so that I can influence debian's lintian development, and maemo's lintian. :) Feb 21 22:57:50 ooh, KinoTV is showing WestWing Feb 21 22:57:58 * timeless will just have to figure out what they call it and when Feb 21 22:58:00 timeless, the "let's start from scratch" approach seems to mostly result in things like Mamona. Feb 21 22:58:01 <3 west wing Feb 21 22:58:05 * timeless isn't sure what KinoTV is Feb 21 22:58:08 i.e., vaporware. Feb 21 22:58:25 What's the West Wing? Feb 21 22:58:44 The sunset side of a bird? Feb 21 22:58:46 jeremiah: how little connection have you had w/ USA TV programming? Feb 21 22:58:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_West_Wing Feb 21 22:58:58 timeless: Only about 35 years. Feb 21 22:59:30 The West Wing won two Golden Globe Awards and 26 Emmy Awards Feb 21 23:00:03 timeless: But Martin Sheen as President? Feb 21 23:00:18 he does it astonishing well :P Feb 21 23:00:19 you've got a problem w/ that? :) Feb 21 23:00:31 better than charlie sheen as president, which is just plain scray Feb 21 23:00:33 scary Feb 21 23:00:37 Did you prefer him as the pesident's friend? Feb 21 23:00:43 s/pes/pres/ Feb 21 23:00:43 timeless meant: Did you prefer him as the president's friend? Feb 21 23:00:45 Actually Martin Sheen is pretty good, I have to admit. Feb 21 23:01:19 I like the West Wing, shame it is no longer coming out with new episodes though. Feb 21 23:01:33 now, how would i go about getting a friggen xterm on os2007he.. Feb 21 23:01:36 Seems the Americans prefer real politics to the TV version though. Feb 21 23:01:38 ah. ssh. Feb 21 23:01:44 ssh FTW Feb 21 23:01:45 Extras? Feb 21 23:02:08 Americans prefer Wife Swap Feb 21 23:02:39 * timeless hasn't seen Wife Swap Feb 21 23:03:04 hey all, does anyone know of a way to sync a nokia n810's gpe suite to a syncML server? (like funambol?) Feb 21 23:03:08 * qwerty12_N800 's mum is wife swap addict :p Feb 21 23:03:24 lol Feb 21 23:03:26 *is a Feb 21 23:03:37 I'd swap my wife, but there is not a processor fast enough. Feb 21 23:03:57 XD Feb 21 23:04:43 Not enough swap space. Feb 21 23:04:45 ha! Feb 21 23:05:28 * Stskeeps ponders idly if qole is trolling on the mer thread. Feb 21 23:05:42 Wife Swap is surprisingly clever for such a lowbrow show. Feb 21 23:05:47 Is that #mer on freenode? Feb 21 23:05:52 no, iTT Feb 21 23:06:01 we do have #mer on freenode though :P Feb 21 23:06:13 Dupe two families into thinging they're gonna to go educate the other. Feb 21 23:06:22 ooh, must join #mer Feb 21 23:06:33 Stskeeps, qole is always trolling Feb 21 23:06:48 Don't encourage that channel. :P Feb 21 23:06:56 Goddamn spammers. . . . Feb 21 23:07:01 Stskeeps: ...probiblly XD Feb 21 23:07:03 hehe, sorry :P Feb 21 23:07:40 GAN800: i felt like banging my head into the table after reading he wanted us to switch to bash instead of dash.. Feb 21 23:07:57 s/thing/think/ Feb 21 23:08:29 Stskeeps, I'd recommend ignoring him if I thought it would result in anything productive. Feb 21 23:09:49 jeremiah: there? Feb 21 23:09:58 thopiekar: Here? Feb 21 23:10:12 heh Feb 21 23:10:25 ;) I want to upload libsndfile.. should be useful for the others.. Feb 21 23:10:43 thopiekar: Will it crash the entire maemo.org subnet? Feb 21 23:11:06 it doesn't even exists on the repos.. Feb 21 23:11:22 thopiekar: What does it do? Feb 21 23:11:39 In other words, why should it be in maemo? Feb 21 23:12:12 Not that I would ever stop you from putting it in, but I think making a case to your fellow developers is a good practice. :) Feb 21 23:12:26 http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/ .. but the maemo extras ass says that i'm using an invalid section : devel .. Feb 21 23:12:49 extras ass? Feb 21 23:12:58 assistant Feb 21 23:12:59 ^^ Feb 21 23:13:41 So the purpose is to read and write .wav files? Feb 21 23:13:49 yes.. Feb 21 23:13:54 Can gstreamer already handle that? Feb 21 23:14:00 (needed to build pulseaudio ... ) Feb 21 23:15:16 don't know... shouldn't i upload it if someone would need it too? Feb 21 23:15:30 thopiekar: Sure. Feb 21 23:15:45 ok but what about the section... Feb 21 23:15:47 thopiekar: But don't you think that if your software does something that already is done Feb 21 23:16:00 in maemo, that it might be redundant? Feb 21 23:16:07 jeremiah: I know what you mean.. Feb 21 23:16:28 I'm just asking, not trying to bum you out or anything. Feb 21 23:17:25 but what about the section devel which other sectionname should i choose? Feb 21 23:18:29 * timeless sighs Feb 21 23:18:40 You know, that is a good question thopiekar. Feb 21 23:18:46 This option can be useful for using this application as a baby monitor" Feb 21 23:18:50 system? Feb 21 23:18:53 option useful using... Feb 21 23:19:07 I am not 100% certain, but I would recommend extras, and not system. Feb 21 23:19:28 ok thanks.. Feb 21 23:21:52 need to find a tv show that doesn't suck Feb 21 23:29:33 Macer: watch G4 :D Feb 21 23:30:29 wtf is g4? Feb 21 23:31:13 G4 is a gaming/entertainment channel Feb 21 23:31:52 look at G4tv.com ;) Feb 21 23:33:11 i had sex thursday Feb 21 23:33:30 people who watch stuff like that don't have sex Feb 21 23:33:49 lol Feb 21 23:34:01 Macer: so you're not a virgin anymore? Feb 21 23:34:03 3 days ago? hah Feb 21 23:34:09 qwerty12_N800: haha Feb 21 23:34:15 if only wishing made it so Feb 21 23:34:28 Macer: was there anyone else there at the time? Feb 21 23:34:44 me and the sheep Feb 21 23:34:46 jeremiah: what means Build-Depends-Indep in a control.file? Feb 21 23:34:51 :) Feb 21 23:35:42 i forgot who it was that said he was with a girl watching that boring ass movie about gnu Feb 21 23:36:28 i wish i could run into a girl who knew shit like that but wasn't so butt ugly she had no choice but to stay inside learning how to use a computer Feb 21 23:36:48 Macer: i have met a couple of those Feb 21 23:36:52 i think so far i have only met 1 Feb 21 23:37:05 who was attractive AND knew what she was talking about when it came to computers :) Feb 21 23:37:24 too bad i was seeing someone else at the time Feb 21 23:37:34 Stskeeps: they are far and very very few Feb 21 23:37:46 or do you mean the butt ugly ones? those are easy to find :) Feb 21 23:37:57 nah, the pretty ones who know their way around computers Feb 21 23:38:22 99.999999% of women on irc are so ugly that they look lik ethey fell out of the sky... and at 2000 feet.. started to roll down the ugly tree getting hit with every.. single.. branch Feb 21 23:38:33 well that is not true either :P Feb 21 23:39:01 beauty is in the eye of the beholder Feb 21 23:39:02 i'm willing to be money that most irc girls use fake pics Feb 21 23:39:33 it's mostly the men playing girls :> Feb 21 23:39:41 hahaha Feb 21 23:40:08 computer dating is not my thing.. i'm old school.. you just bump into a woman and actually.. physically.. talk to her Feb 21 23:40:28 you get many passing through your moms basement? Feb 21 23:40:31 hehe, i met my fiancee irl too, that's how it is Feb 21 23:40:44 lol... even if i did live there... i probably would get more than you lcuk ] Feb 21 23:40:47 :) Feb 21 23:41:21 (she has however been on IRC in the past, but stopped before i got to know her) Feb 21 23:41:25 im happy with one i've got Feb 21 23:41:35 lcuk: that's what they all say Feb 21 23:41:36 :) Feb 21 23:41:49 they dont call it "settling" for nothing Feb 21 23:41:50 jeremiah: PING Feb 21 23:42:02 most people settle for a person they are stuck with Feb 21 23:42:10 because they think they can't do better :) Feb 21 23:42:12 infobot: ping Feb 21 23:42:13 ~pong Feb 21 23:43:04 Macer: iÃ'm intentionally getting stuck, heh.and i'm happy about that :) Feb 21 23:43:10 i bet the statistic for men that marry the first woman they sleep with is very high Feb 21 23:43:31 about as high as the divorce rate Feb 21 23:43:33 haha Feb 21 23:43:42 wasn't the first girl i slept with either :) Feb 21 23:43:52 Stskeeps: that is a good thing ;) there are always exceptions Feb 21 23:44:17 just think of the long haul.. every moment will be a need to do something Feb 21 23:44:32 have child... buy a house.. move from that house to a newer one.. have another child.. buy a car... Feb 21 23:44:35 heh Feb 21 23:44:36 mow the lawn :) Feb 21 23:44:48 * Stskeeps watches mer 770 unpack, again. Feb 21 23:45:03 still working on that 770 huh? Feb 21 23:45:21 yeah, of course Feb 21 23:45:23 ah well.. i'm going to watch criminal minds and see if it's worth going on to episode 2.. then i want to watch W. Feb 21 23:45:28 i get something donated, i don't just let it sit Feb 21 23:45:39 personally.. i thought he wasn't that good of a speaker.. but i loved bush as president :) Feb 21 23:46:38 obama sure has a lot of time to roam around the country giving speeches and doing q and a type shit Feb 21 23:46:54 shouldn't he be in the oval office figuring out ways to get us out of a rut? :) Feb 21 23:47:05 There's no brush to clear in Chicago. Feb 21 23:47:21 i live in Chicago Feb 21 23:47:23 we have a lot of trees Feb 21 23:48:25 Anyway, you seem to have an odd conception of what a president's job is. Feb 21 23:48:40 the world does in general Feb 21 23:48:54 most think that the president has all the power in the world to actually create "change" Feb 21 23:49:04 executive branch enforces law. .that is its purpose Feb 21 23:49:21 why do people always forget the basics? Feb 21 23:49:49 but i am sure that he can do much better than going to town halls and asking congressmen to let poor people live with them Feb 21 23:50:05 i wonder how much it costs taxpayers to let obama go all over the country for these meet america meetings Feb 21 23:51:28 realistically speaking.. it isn't congress' job to bail out failing companies.. but let us not open that can of worms :) Feb 21 23:51:45 #maemo is probably not the best place for politics. Feb 21 23:51:52 yeah.. it isn't.. myb ad :) Feb 21 23:52:16 it all started somewhere where someone said to watch G4 Feb 21 23:52:36 me:) Feb 21 23:52:47 Watching G4 is always a bad idea. Feb 21 23:53:00 straind: that's what i said! Feb 21 23:53:37 anyways.. i'm going to check out criminal minds.. later Feb 21 23:54:27 * b-man feels so lame now Feb 22 01:02:12 * timeless wonders if there's a tool to sort .po keys Feb 22 02:50:54 * timeless sighs Feb 22 02:51:02 msgid "Unkown" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 22 02:59:57 2009