**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 26 02:59:57 2009 Feb 26 03:00:16 oh never mind Feb 26 03:00:20 I'm blind, apparently Feb 26 03:22:14 hrm... debootstrap on the Jaunty install is saying the package lists are corrupt Feb 26 03:23:23 hi Feb 26 03:23:31 hello Feb 26 03:24:01 using my brand new n810 Feb 26 03:24:14 :) Feb 26 03:24:34 I was expecting a question, but smilies are always better :P Feb 26 03:24:37 sup? Feb 26 03:24:37 how do you like it? Feb 26 03:25:30 it´s awesome! Feb 26 03:25:48 indeed. I certainly like mine Feb 26 03:26:10 useful and easy to use Feb 26 03:27:04 do you know how to put it on idle mode? Feb 26 03:27:31 if you mean like the "sleep' setting on Palms and similar, it doesn't have one Feb 26 03:27:43 I'm not sure how it works exactly, but you can leave it on all day with no problem Feb 26 03:27:53 heck - you can leave the wireless connected for a few days with no problem Feb 26 03:28:26 yea. i think it goes into a sort of idle mode automatically Feb 26 03:28:32 pretty cool Feb 26 03:30:24 see ya Feb 26 03:30:43 bed time now Feb 26 04:01:05 * b-man16 is doing an experiment Feb 26 04:01:39 chatting in ubuntu and maemo :) Feb 26 04:18:18 :) Feb 26 04:18:23 :) Feb 26 04:19:37 Hi Feb 26 04:19:46 hello Feb 26 04:20:09 XD Feb 26 04:21:43 hi both of you Feb 26 04:21:44 :P Feb 26 04:22:01 http://www.itpro.co.uk/609997/video-two-operating-systems-on-one-phone Feb 26 04:22:03 :o Feb 26 04:22:10 i'm both FireFox2 and 3 Feb 26 04:22:15 XD Feb 26 04:24:13 bef0rd: nice :) Feb 26 04:54:20 ping? Feb 26 04:55:23 Pong? Feb 26 04:58:14 i'm finally fixing my l10n packages and need answers about some strings Feb 26 04:58:17 "System Storage" or "System storage"? Feb 26 04:58:52 Also, anyone remember which other strings i was supposed to fix? :) Feb 26 04:59:21 Nokia seems to prefer sentence case. Feb 26 04:59:57 yeah, i've picked that Feb 26 05:00:30 * timelE61i wonders how consistent they were Feb 26 05:00:44 Knowing Nokia, probably not very. Feb 26 05:01:01 * timelE61i nods Feb 26 05:01:23 poor mer, it's been attacked a few times recently Feb 26 05:01:46 Attacked? Feb 26 05:02:19 (things keep rebooting my laptop w/o my permission, and vmware isn't safely suspending mer) Feb 26 05:03:15 cute, ham-util is bashist Feb 26 05:03:22 Is that fixed? Feb 26 05:29:42 hi, what's the most recent diablo feature upgrade version? Feb 26 05:29:49 47-3 Feb 26 05:50:39 http://osnews.com/story/21043/Dev_Phone_1_s_Market_Apps_Blocked_by_Google <- so much for unlocked android phones.. Feb 26 05:51:38 * StsN800 hugs his tablet Feb 26 06:07:37 isn't it 43-7? Feb 26 06:19:12 ask bugzilla Feb 26 06:19:27 Anyone here understand ham? Feb 26 06:20:02 Sometimes it'll say things about requires/conflicts/required Feb 26 06:20:25 I translated those to reference the package under question Feb 26 06:20:48 However, am i wrong? Is the info about some random package? Feb 26 06:23:55 example please? Feb 26 06:41:14 dunno Feb 26 06:41:32 Probably try mixing mer+diablo and installing games Feb 26 06:41:57 Sadly i can't use x11 in my mer, which makes this hard Feb 26 06:58:42 * timelE61i eyes an error string suspiciously Feb 26 07:00:21 * Stskeeps eyes another work day Feb 26 07:02:51 Neatojones doesn't have a working forward slash in Ubuntu right now...eye the remarks of those who are able to use use it with jealousy Feb 26 07:03:27 * timelE61i chuckles Feb 26 07:03:34 got a mouse that can copy? Feb 26 07:03:42 /set cmdchars , Feb 26 07:03:48 Borrow that :) Feb 26 07:03:54 thats what I usually do Feb 26 07:04:02 neatojones: n810? Feb 26 07:04:33 / is hard to use on most devices, and besides it interferes w/ pasting paths Feb 26 07:04:42 * neatojones neatojones greatfully accepts the / Feb 26 07:05:02 yes...n810 Feb 26 07:05:47 * neatojones steals the numbers from Stskeeps Feb 26 07:05:51 btw, you can usually steal a / from the browser Feb 26 07:06:14 i get my numbers from the calculator Feb 26 07:06:21 Lol Feb 26 07:06:22 neatojones: got mer-HAL and xkb-data? Feb 26 07:06:30 have a file with all of them in it Feb 26 07:06:42 I need to check the versions Feb 26 07:07:07 thought I had the hal from mer. might have the wrong xkb Feb 26 07:07:28 i update stuff sometimes without paying enough attention Feb 26 07:07:49 * neatojones goes to check on versions Feb 26 07:09:12 heh, yay wordwrap... "i update stuff sometimes without paying"... its ubuntu, what are you doing paying!? (; Feb 26 07:09:20 it all worked in hildon. gnome messed it up Feb 26 07:09:45 lol Feb 26 07:10:45 gnome has been known to mess up Feb 26 07:11:23 when will we get enlightenment for nUbuntu? Feb 26 07:11:27 [: Feb 26 07:11:56 nUbuntu... Feb 26 07:12:00 lol Feb 26 07:13:04 why does the taphold never work until I'm tryingtohighlight and don't want it to... Feb 26 07:13:57 hal is mer1 there is an update available, but I have it pinned to avoid jaunty versions Feb 26 07:13:58 yes. Feb 26 07:14:32 0.5.12~rc1+git20090120-0ubuntu1mer4 Feb 26 07:14:54 and http://repository.mer.tspre.org/pool/main/x/xkeyboard-config/xkb-data_1.5-2ubuntu4mer2_all.deb Feb 26 07:14:56 mmm, blueberries Feb 26 07:15:18 forcing now... Feb 26 07:16:05 fireun, did you get e going? Feb 26 07:18:30 sTs: can you fix alarmd? Feb 26 07:18:35 (mer) Feb 26 07:18:41 what about it? Feb 26 07:19:02 It's bashist Feb 26 07:19:22 ah, possible, i hope to switch to whatever fremantle has eventually though Feb 26 07:19:26 hmm Feb 26 07:19:48 * neatojones updating...will report back with results of hal upgrade. Feb 26 07:19:52 just found out that the default windows XP desktop picture was taking right near my house Feb 26 07:20:19 Proteous: you live inside a XP installation Feb 26 07:20:20 :P Feb 26 07:20:34 Stskeeps: bug 4148 Feb 26 07:20:49 heh Feb 26 07:21:05 fireun, I'm in enlightenment right now typing this Feb 26 07:21:12 illume is very nice Feb 26 07:21:45 timelE61i: ta Feb 26 07:22:32 timelE61i: someone really ought to run a bashism check on all maemo packages Feb 26 07:22:37 there's automated tools for it Feb 26 07:22:42 (afaik) Feb 26 07:29:37 .,. Feb 26 07:29:38 .. Feb 26 07:29:47 157 build dependancies (at least) to build apt. Feb 26 07:29:50 that's frightening. Feb 26 07:30:16 Stskeeps:qmake is not workin in maemo how to set that Feb 26 07:30:31 hi Feb 26 07:30:51 sans: think you might have success with qmake in scratchbox but not necessarily on maemo Feb 26 07:31:15 so how to correct it Feb 26 07:31:24 :) Feb 26 07:31:32 no clue, not a qt developer :P Feb 26 07:31:53 qmake is not workin in maemo how to set that Feb 26 07:32:25 hello any help on this ::qmake is not workin in maemo how to set that Feb 26 07:33:50 sans: atm #maemo isn't really home to many qt devs Feb 26 07:33:59 sans: i suspect you might be able to file a mail to maemo-developers or qt-maemo mailing list Feb 26 07:34:04 morning qwerty12_N800 Feb 26 07:34:04 * timelE61i would suggest finding trolls Feb 26 07:34:27 hi Stskeeps Feb 26 07:35:09 qwerty12_N800: building apt natively and on x86 atm :P (i believe in crash testing :P) Feb 26 07:36:00 ehehe, always a good plan :p Feb 26 07:36:48 i'm seeing if this net-man-applet build worked Feb 26 07:36:55 the one i did? Feb 26 07:37:56 yeah, i've taken it, and in theory, added tap & hold Feb 26 07:38:37 updated...still no Fn key Feb 26 07:38:52 qwerty12_N800: interesting Feb 26 07:39:18 neatojones: setxkbmap -print Feb 26 07:40:28 xkb_keymap { Feb 26 07:40:28 xkb_keycodes { include "evdev+aliases(qwerty)" }; Feb 26 07:40:28 xkb_types { include "complete" }; Feb 26 07:40:28 xkb_compat { include "complete" }; Feb 26 07:40:28 xkb_symbols { include "pc+us+inet(evdev)" }; Feb 26 07:40:29 xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc105)" }; Feb 26 07:40:31 }; Feb 26 07:40:40 yeah, that's wrong Feb 26 07:40:53 hmm Feb 26 07:41:05 setxkbmap -model nokiarx44 -layout us Feb 26 07:41:31 and you restarted HAL and X and everything? Feb 26 07:42:31 yeah Feb 26 07:42:42 rebooted the tablet Feb 26 07:43:27 the xkb line now lists the nokia keyboard, but I need to restart Feb 26 07:43:30 brb Feb 26 07:54:16 hello all Feb 26 07:55:06 when I run gtk application scratchbox using Xepher it is showing full screen where as when run as as standalone it showing properly Feb 26 07:56:08 what SDK release? Feb 26 07:56:51 4.1.2 Feb 26 08:01:21 sigh..no joy. the xkb settings are reset to what i previously mentioned Feb 26 08:02:23 weird Feb 26 08:02:36 and you have HAL mer4? Feb 26 08:03:09 if I have scim installed can that affect it? Feb 26 08:03:30 it's part of gnome install Feb 26 08:04:02 not sure Feb 26 08:04:07 maybe you have to adjust keyboard settings Feb 26 08:05:12 lshal | grep xkb.model Feb 26 08:06:04 GeneralAntilles: thoughtfix is now on "Nokia Sparrow" hype. :P Feb 26 08:06:17 input.xkb.model = 'pc105' (string) Feb 26 08:06:36 muh... Feb 26 08:06:42 hm Feb 26 08:07:02 i don't have a N810 anymore in the office sorry Feb 26 08:07:33 thanks for trying. we'll figure it out Feb 26 08:08:33 where is xkb.model stored? Feb 26 08:08:42 manual file edit? Feb 26 08:09:00 could you see if /usr/share/hal/policy/10osvendor (or something)/10-x11-keymap.fdi exists? Feb 26 08:09:03 if it does, get rid of it Feb 26 08:09:10 sure Feb 26 08:09:13 uh why Feb 26 08:09:16 oh Feb 26 08:10:25 Toba: because it has a rather facist way of going around things. Since it uses debian-setup-keyboard (or something) as a callout, and callouts are called after FDI evaluation, it screws up any kind of stuff FDI has detected regarding input.xkb.* Feb 26 08:11:18 you clearly know more about this topic than I Feb 26 08:11:20 and replaces it with console-setup information Feb 26 08:11:37 yeah, i spent a day buried in that :P Feb 26 08:11:54 I'm the same way about something, I'm sure. Feb 26 08:12:00 done... Feb 26 08:12:01 oh, right. mysql and its stupid policies re: tempfiles. Feb 26 08:12:07 but that's a story for another day Feb 26 08:12:44 neatojones: it was there? :P Feb 26 08:12:57 it existed in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor Feb 26 08:13:02 wtf :P Feb 26 08:13:06 dpkg -L hal Feb 26 08:14:46 is it in there? Feb 26 08:15:00 yep Feb 26 08:16:02 and it was called 10-x11-keymap.fdi? :P Feb 26 08:17:22 yeah that is there Feb 26 08:17:32 rechecking installed version now Feb 26 08:17:50 k, cos i don't have that in my deb :P Feb 26 08:17:52 I just deleted the whole directory Feb 26 08:20:41 You're definately right. I told it to install one and verified, but it seems to have installed the other... Feb 26 08:20:47 I don't get it Feb 26 08:20:52 will try again Feb 26 08:25:17 morning all Feb 26 08:25:34 morning Feb 26 08:38:02 I realize it makes no sense, but synaptic wouldn't let me install that version. had to do it old school...without a working keyboard Feb 26 08:39:09 is the fremantle device a laptop? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/25/AR2009022503409.html Feb 26 08:40:02 jyro: i'd say tablets are a mid-way between laptops and netbooks these days.. Feb 26 08:40:09 er, embedded systems and netbooks Feb 26 08:41:04 may be nokia is trying to change defn of laptop making it comparable to cellphone in size Feb 26 08:42:00 though, i wouldn't be that happy about fremantle on a laptop, but that's just me.. Feb 26 08:45:05 jyro, in the tv show, O-P said (about laptops) "Never say never." and them something that they're constantly thinking of those (and probably everything else too) Feb 26 08:46:20 hmm, press turns even a speculation into a news sometimes... Feb 26 08:50:31 jyro, my own translation: Interviewer: "Will nokia make a mini laptop someday?" O-P: "Never say never. Of course we're looking at this business opportunity, even quite actively." Feb 26 08:51:01 thanks inz Feb 26 08:51:11 For the finnish speaking: "Tekeekö Nokia joskus oman kannettavan, minikannettavan?" - "Ei koskaan pidä sanoa ei koskaan. Kyllä me totta kai katsomme tätäkin bisnesmahdollisuutta hyvinkin aktiivisesti." Feb 26 08:56:38 what was the solution for "checking whether the C++ compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C++ compiled programs." when configuring for armel? Feb 26 08:58:57 Stskeeps: still no Fn key. the right debs are installed now. and those commands seem to list the right keyboard Feb 26 08:59:10 Found the solution once, but forgot what it was Feb 26 09:03:25 found it. Fixes the problem until next reboot by writing: sudo sh -c 'echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr' Feb 26 09:03:30 outside scratchbox Feb 26 09:04:30 Ahh, that Feb 26 09:04:50 I guess I was the first to run into that one, at least the first one to blog about it Feb 26 09:05:06 yes, I remember finding the solution from your blog Feb 26 09:05:18 was there a way to permanently fix it Feb 26 09:06:18 echo "vm.mmap_min_addr=4096" >> /etc/sysctl.d/20-scratchbox.conf Feb 26 09:06:22 Or something similar Feb 26 09:06:33 Or apt-get upgrade ;) Feb 26 09:07:15 Ahh, that won't do, it's wine that has fixed it for me Feb 26 09:07:23 And I have wine from some weird place. Feb 26 09:07:40 ok, thanks for advice Feb 26 09:14:28 neatojones, not sure sorry, i have no idea about ubuntu ver Feb 26 09:15:12 Sts: Planet says there is a new version of Tracker, one to be used in Fremantle Feb 26 09:15:42 Sts: You may want to put it into MeR to see how much it will drain the battery =) Feb 26 09:25:38 Stskeeps...looks like I have a version of evdev from b-man repos..could that be the culprit? Feb 26 09:26:08 I'm trying to dload the mer version, but the repo appears to be down Feb 26 09:27:59 yeah, switch getting switched Feb 26 09:28:09 and yes Feb 26 09:28:22 evdev would make a difference Feb 26 09:29:26 thanks Feb 26 09:34:30 that must be it then. Feb 26 09:35:18 ...now if I could just figure out why the onscreen keyboard isn't working. Feb 26 09:39:59 him? Feb 26 09:40:10 thats a can of worms Feb 26 09:41:57 huh? Feb 26 09:43:55 which on-screen kbd? Feb 26 09:44:42 StsN800: the enlightenment one. It's supposedly really nice, but I can't get it to show up on screen. Feb 26 09:45:48 I need to drop in on their boards sometime when I get a chance Feb 26 09:47:18 i've really reserached it and can't find a reason why. No errors, no onscreen keyboard, nothing. Feb 26 09:48:35 I'm hoping someone else will eventually install enlightenment that actually has a clue and figures it out. :) Feb 26 09:49:46 good morning Feb 26 09:49:50 would anyone know where the default pkgdatadir is defined in autotools? I'd like to write the DBUS service file .in file such as Exec=@pkgdatadir@/@filename_my_prog@, but the result after autoconf is Exec=@pkgdatadir@/my_prog Feb 26 09:50:40 now, I could write AC_SUBST(pkgdatadir) in configure.ac, but at that point pkgdatadir doesnt seem to have a value yet Feb 26 09:57:10 hi can i use ConIcConnectionStatus to check bluetooth connection? Feb 26 10:06:19 neatojones: rep up again Feb 26 10:06:30 thanks Feb 26 10:11:11 hi Feb 26 10:12:27 Stskeeps:one issue in application an html page from net but it is not able to load images Feb 26 10:13:06 Stskeeps: any way Feb 26 10:14:06 application an html page from net but it is not able to load images Feb 26 10:14:10 sans: sorry, no idea Feb 26 10:14:34 in my application an html page from net but it is not able to load images Feb 26 10:17:32 timeIE61i:any idea for this issue n my application an html page from net but it is not able to load images Feb 26 10:18:04 Stskeeps : thanks Feb 26 10:20:39 * lcuk peeks in Feb 26 10:22:26 i am having one problem my application load an html page from net but it is not able to load images of that page it only shows text.any idea :) Feb 26 10:27:44 StsN800: got it!!! it was indeed the evdev package from bman's ubuntu repo that caused the Fn key not towork Feb 26 10:27:46 sans: turn image loading on Feb 26 10:27:58 the Mer package got it going Feb 26 10:29:00 neatojones: thought so Feb 26 10:30:38 Thanks again for your help! Feb 26 10:37:50 how can i get sbox_user_uid and sbox_user_gid? Feb 26 10:39:09 zs1, why? Feb 26 10:39:33 i need to set up cpu transparency Feb 26 10:40:39 zs1, well sbox_user_id is likely your user id (try command id); and gid is that of the sbox (grep sbox /etc/group) Feb 26 10:41:06 ok thanks Feb 26 10:43:14 Stskeeps: in my maemo emulator in the left side the web icon doesn't appears could u say what could be the problem Feb 26 10:44:41 In my maemo emulator in the left side the web icon doesn't appears any help?:) Feb 26 10:45:58 * andre__ wonders if it's only timeless using "bread crumb" as a synonym for "tab" Feb 26 10:47:31 Stskeeps: any idea Feb 26 10:47:40 :) Feb 26 10:48:21 Stskeeps: any suggestions Feb 26 10:52:05 Anyone who bought the $400 unlocked developer G1 is in for a nasty surprise: Google, citing piracy concerns, won't allow those handsets to access paid Marketplace apps. Feb 26 10:52:14 * RST38h cackles evilly Feb 26 10:53:15 Most Android phones download paid content to a private, hidden apps folder, inaccessible to the user. Thing is, as is stands, this normally inaccessible folder is accessible on the dev phones. Not only does this let people flat out copy and redistribute appsit enables a sort of app laundering scam, in which someone buys an app, copies it to another location, and gets a refund for the app Feb 26 10:53:50 * RST38h giggles uncontrollably Feb 26 10:54:02 hehe Feb 26 10:54:26 Security by obscurity, always a good scheme.. Feb 26 10:54:42 X-Fade: Rather security by Unix file permissions :) Feb 26 10:54:44 haha yeah especially if you're running an 'open' os thats already rooted Feb 26 10:55:21 * RST38h imagines a bunch of Google geeks in a meeting, saying in sorry voices "Well, we haven't thought about it" Feb 26 10:58:33 ca anyone suggest in my maemo emulator in the left side the web icon doesn't appears could u say what could be the problem Feb 26 10:59:16 can anyone suggest in my maemo emulator in the left side the web/world icon doesn't appears could u say what could be the problem Feb 26 11:00:22 sans: it means your sdk setup is somehow screwed Feb 26 11:00:37 something has not been installed, but that is normal for maemo sdk Feb 26 11:01:36 RST38h: so the solution is? Feb 26 11:05:22 sans: disregard it, use real device. Feb 26 11:07:50 Rst38h: thanks :) Feb 26 11:09:47 Does anybody else have problems with Vagalume not playing tracks anymore? Feb 26 11:10:35 X-Fade: WORKSFORME Feb 26 11:11:32 Stskeeps: Weird, I get all kinds of connection errors. Feb 26 11:14:49 yeah, i get those occasionally Feb 26 11:15:10 I can't get any sound out of it atm. Weird. Feb 26 11:19:20 'lo kozak Feb 26 11:19:59 Hello Stskeeps! Feb 26 11:19:59 kozak: http://www.rcn-ee.com/deb/kernel/beagle/jaunty/v2.6.28-79d042a-oer12/ <- new kernel btw Feb 26 11:20:04 (for beagle) Feb 26 11:21:09 oh ! ok... these are debian packages! Feb 26 11:21:58 yeah Feb 26 11:22:09 dpkg -i them, and then mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Linux" -d rootfs/vmlinuz bootfs/uImage to get a uImage Feb 26 11:22:16 (uboot-tools or uboot-utils i think) Feb 26 11:22:43 Oh ok i will try them out! thanks Feb 26 11:23:00 Hows mer coming? Feb 26 11:23:04 this week? slow Feb 26 11:23:13 been working mostly on the nokia 770 port Feb 26 11:23:36 Oh ok Feb 26 11:35:10 is mer usable on 770 currently? Feb 26 11:36:02 getting there slowly Feb 26 11:36:06 got wifi working yesterday Feb 26 11:36:13 48mhz mmc kernel helps a lot :P Feb 26 11:36:27 but a proper Xomap would help wonders, too :P Feb 26 11:36:51 hehe Feb 26 11:37:07 i got a 770 collecting dust.. thats why intrested Feb 26 11:37:47 problems right now: takes too bloody long time booting, and the X driver lacks manual updates Feb 26 11:38:43 <_berto_> X-Fade: I'll try to release a fixed version of vagalume today Feb 26 11:38:52 <_berto_> apparently they changed something in the streaming service Feb 26 11:39:13 <_berto_> and some 3rd-party clients are broken (that I know: rhythmbox, vagalume, canola and banshee) Feb 26 11:43:39 does anyone else think Vagalume is kind of unfortunately named? :) Feb 26 11:43:59 _berto_: Ah, so at least it isn't me ;) Feb 26 11:44:40 <_berto_> wjt: it's very difficult to choose a word that sounds ok in all languanges :) Feb 26 11:45:03 <_berto_> wjt: for what it's worth, vagalume is usually chosen as one of the most beautiful words in my language Feb 26 11:46:07 _berto_: fair enough :) Feb 26 11:46:08 <_berto_> that's not the only case anyway: mamona doesn't sound exactly good to spanish speakers :) Feb 26 11:47:15 oh, heh :) Feb 26 11:48:22 I guess this is why large software companies employ people to do multinational market research Feb 26 11:49:15 and smart people just make abbreviations without vowels Feb 26 11:49:46 ;) Feb 26 11:49:56 <_berto_> yes, I know of some cars that have different names in their spanish version Feb 26 11:50:48 <_berto_> (e.g mitsubishi pajero) Feb 26 11:50:50 hm, that's interesting :) and what cars? Feb 26 11:51:20 <_berto_> (pajero in spanish means more or less "wanker") Feb 26 11:51:30 beautiful Feb 26 11:51:38 Chevy Nova too Feb 26 11:52:25 they sold nova in mexico Feb 26 11:52:49 and had/have a gasoline brand named somewhat similar too Feb 26 11:52:53 I bet many people would buy Mitsubishi in Finland, if it would be called "Mitsubishi Runkkari" (runkkari == wanker) Feb 26 11:53:42 That would be cool Feb 26 11:54:02 It should consume gasoline/petrol faster than a airliner Feb 26 11:54:05 +n Feb 26 11:54:17 _berto_ I noticed Last.fm "connection errors" too with Vagalume, but their own client suffers it too. Feb 26 11:54:27 glass: afaik, no-va means something like no-go in spanish but I may be wrong Feb 26 11:54:32 RST38h: yes it does Feb 26 11:54:40 <_berto_> MikaT: hmm, I see nothing strange with their official client Feb 26 11:54:45 RST38h: but still they sold it, it's an urban myth that they changed name Feb 26 11:54:52 <_berto_> MikaT: in fact i'm using vagalume from SVN trunk and it works fine Feb 26 11:55:13 RST38h: it's pronounced quite differently apparently Feb 26 11:55:14 _berto_: Can I test that package ;) Feb 26 11:55:20 _berto_: Ok, letme try that too... Feb 26 11:55:33 <_berto_> yes, no-va means "doesn't go" in spanish but "nova" is a fairly common latin word here Feb 26 11:55:45 morning timelE61i Feb 26 11:56:12 hI Feb 26 11:56:43 <_berto_> most people wouldn't notice the nova <=> no va thing Feb 26 11:56:59 <_berto_> however, pajero is too obvious Feb 26 11:57:04 glass: well, this stuff even occurs in English, with English speaking carmakers Feb 26 11:57:23 glass: Pontiac Fiero had a very ..mmm... proper name for example Feb 26 11:58:36 <_berto_> they also used different names for sega genesis/megadrive, but I don't think it had anything to do with bad-sounding words Feb 26 11:59:34 "it enables a sort of app laundering scam, in which someone buys an app, copies it to another location, and gets a refund for the app" <-- Where can you get refunds for used software, especially software bought on a phone Feb 26 12:00:12 tank-man: Android? Feb 26 12:00:30 yea , refering to what RST38h said above Feb 26 12:00:47 1hr ago :P Feb 26 12:00:53 tank-man: i utterly think Android is a joke after ADP1 suddenly can't use app store. Feb 26 12:02:50 anyone able to send files to an n810 over bluetooth? or browse obex with obexftp from the n810? Feb 26 12:03:00 monkeyiq: i send n810 files regulary Feb 26 12:03:05 er, n800 Feb 26 12:03:20 Stskeeps; send too the n800? Feb 26 12:03:26 yeah Feb 26 12:03:32 Stskeeps; I can send from it but not too :/ Feb 26 12:04:06 ah ok, using a command like obexftp -b $FOO_BT --put dfdf.txt on the sending machine? Feb 26 12:04:16 actually it was from a cellphone Feb 26 12:04:17 RST38h: i kinda fancy the pontiac fiero.. not with stock engine but anyways. of the pontiacs anyways... Feb 26 12:04:19 maybe that bluetooth setting that makes your device discoverable is off Feb 26 12:04:24 Nokia has plans to put Symbian onto laptop computers, with the vendor predicting converged devices were likely to appear in as little as five years from now. Feb 26 12:04:47 Sounds like a distorted echo of the Sparrow-based hw news Feb 26 12:04:53 heh Feb 26 12:04:53 yeah Feb 26 12:04:54 probably Feb 26 12:05:00 idiot analysing Feb 26 12:05:00 or the "Nokia Sparrow" Feb 26 12:05:06 which certainly has featers.. Feb 26 12:05:07 +h Feb 26 12:05:17 well, let us see what the guysays Feb 26 12:06:02 Stskeeps; ah ok. excellent, I just sent one from the e71 -> n810, so it seems to work, just not from the desktop Feb 26 12:08:35 sounds like a nokia conspiracy Feb 26 12:08:55 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/26/nokia_laptops/ <--- pure speculation based on a single quote from the CEO Feb 26 12:09:46 better than mac fans that make up rumors based on nothing :) Feb 26 12:12:46 _berto_: confirmed, Vagalume from svn seems to work at least now. Feb 26 12:12:51 * RST38h considers spreading some false mac rumors just to get poor suckers into a frenzy Feb 26 12:12:59 "We are looking very actively also at this opportunity," Kallasvuo said, when asked whether Nokia plans to make laptops. Feb 26 12:13:08 that doesnt sound like pure speculation Feb 26 12:13:12 <_berto_> MikaT: great Feb 26 12:13:21 tank-man: it does sound like speculation Feb 26 12:13:23 <_berto_> MikaT: but I wonder why the official app fails for you Feb 26 12:13:37 tank-man: especially if you'd count a n810 in a clamshell as a laptop Feb 26 12:14:09 at what point would it become a "netbook"? Feb 26 12:14:20 i'd say that is a netbook Feb 26 12:14:26 when it reach 7" diameter :) Feb 26 12:14:42 or would it be an unetbook? Feb 26 12:14:49 _berto_: I don't know either. Just tried it this morning, and it gave similar errors than Vagalume. Feb 26 12:14:52 some ultra- Feb 26 12:16:32 <_berto_> MikaT: I'm using 1.5.1.something and I've never seen anything strange Feb 26 12:16:37 RST38h: try "Nokia takes over Apple phone division, replacing iPhone OS with Symbian" :P Feb 26 12:17:08 Sts: it has to be credible enough to work Feb 26 12:17:39 RST38h: Android on iPhone? Feb 26 12:17:40 :P Feb 26 12:17:54 btw, what about iphone linux? Feb 26 12:18:06 _berto_: Yep, mine is 1:1.5.1.31879.dfsg-1ubuntu too, but just tried it this morning. Feb 26 12:18:08 oli: haven't seen much progress i think Feb 26 12:18:15 Sts: Apple licensing iPhone OS to HTC will make a good rumor Feb 26 12:18:36 RST38h: true Feb 26 12:19:21 <_berto_> MikaT: anyway, I'll try to release a fixed version when I have some minutes Feb 26 12:19:21 <_berto_> thx Feb 26 12:20:10 _berto_: Still happening (in "official" client): "There was a problem contacting the radio streamer. Please try again later." and "Http error: server closed connection unexpectedly". Feb 26 12:20:20 <_berto_> hum Feb 26 12:20:24 <_berto_> that's weird Feb 26 12:20:26 <_berto_> :) Feb 26 12:20:35 _berto_: But Vagalume works, so everything is ok :) Feb 26 12:21:47 _berto_: Btw, Last.fm site gets confused easily by changing clients or scrobblers at fast pace. Feb 26 12:22:37 _berto_: My profile now says "Listening now using Last.fm Scrobbler", but I'm definitely using Vagalume :) The song is correct. Feb 26 12:22:46 <_berto_> MikaT: if you have them working at the same time, yes. if now, they should work fine Feb 26 12:22:51 <_berto_> MikaT: ah, that might be true Feb 26 12:23:30 _berto_: No, I didn't use them at the same time. I closed another and started another. Feb 26 12:24:30 _berto_: ...and now after a few refreshing, it's correct again. Feb 26 12:24:59 <_berto_> :) Feb 26 12:25:01 <_berto_> good Feb 26 12:27:42 <_berto_> lunch tiem! Feb 26 12:27:45 <_berto_> lunch time! Feb 26 12:34:00 hi all, yesterday i turned my nokia off and it was fine, today when i wanted to boot to my flash it just reboots on the flashscreen. is there a way to troubleshoot the boot problem? Feb 26 12:35:28 happen to have bootmenu with usb network recovery? Feb 26 12:50:20 Stskeeps, yes Feb 26 12:50:41 guysoft42: go check if your / ran out of space, mount it in the usb network recovery telnet Feb 26 12:50:45 Stskeeps, i also have an os working not in the flash Feb 26 12:50:59 Stskeeps, nope, i have 600MB free Feb 26 12:51:13 Stskeeps, saw that was common in google Feb 26 12:51:30