**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 28 02:59:58 2009 Feb 28 04:49:59 http://i.gizmodo.com/5161421/dell-mini-9-is-down-to-200-for-one-day-only Feb 28 05:07:25 fireun, I might just do it. Feb 28 05:11:15 GeneralAntilles: so tempting, I know Feb 28 05:11:38 I just.cant.justify.it Feb 28 05:11:48 Hehe, I think I can. Feb 28 05:11:58 I need an x86 machine Feb 28 05:12:03 ubuntu AND osx, so sweet. Feb 28 05:12:19 and I was looking at a barebones Atom rig (maybe an MSI nettop) Feb 28 05:12:27 But this is just a bit more useful. Feb 28 05:12:31 I've got the trio, AND two nokias, so.. I'm flush. Feb 28 05:12:56 and at only 186+ram, a golden deal Feb 28 05:20:19 wasnt there someone about to buy a laptop? Feb 28 05:20:46 I already have a portable desktop :) Feb 28 05:26:10 Hello Feb 28 05:28:53 *ordered* Feb 28 05:33:20 you get my address right? Feb 28 05:34:21 ;) Feb 28 05:35:34 fireun, sure, I'll ship you the box with the cardboard and duct tape "PSthree" I got as a gag gift last year inside. :P Feb 28 05:38:27 hah, no. Feb 28 05:48:33 i love the police chase where the guy corrects himself like 3 times before they get him Feb 28 05:48:57 awesome driving Feb 28 05:50:24 * AndrewFBlack wonders if android market apps will ever be available for Nitdroid Feb 28 05:50:40 Aren't they signed or something? Feb 28 05:52:23 signature != encryption Feb 28 05:52:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViO-00nYaE&feature=related Feb 28 05:52:50 HAHAHAHAHA!! Feb 28 05:53:03 talk about picking the right vehicle for a getaway! Feb 28 05:53:50 GeneralAntilles, when is talk.maemo.org supose to come about? Feb 28 05:54:13 AndrewFBlack, sometime around the time the new style goes live. Feb 28 05:54:19 ~1 month, I guess. Feb 28 05:54:22 Reggie's kinda gone dark Feb 28 05:54:29 and he's the one working on the templates, sooo. . . . Feb 28 05:55:44 yeah, I gave up on Minimalist theme a long time ago he quit talking to me right after I gave him the first version of the one there now Feb 28 05:56:11 I know reggie runs like 5 forums sites Feb 28 05:57:24 itT's the only one with any hits. Feb 28 05:57:45 He gave some numbers when we were talking servers itT makes up, like, 90% of the server usage. Feb 28 05:58:56 yeah I notice alot of stuff on http://micropctalk.com/forums/ also Feb 28 05:59:49 no where near as much talk as on itt but some Feb 28 06:02:57 hello, AndrewFBlack :) Feb 28 06:03:07 I wonder who uses more bandwidth all of itT or Qole on my server lol Feb 28 06:03:11 hey B-man Feb 28 06:04:18 Why doesn't he just use Garage? Feb 28 06:04:36 I don't think garage will let him upload entire Easy Debian Project Feb 28 06:04:51 or allow him to use around a TB of bandwidth a month Feb 28 06:05:01 AndrewFBlack: more like me, qole, or itt - i have a repository + ubuntu rootstrap + gallery XD Feb 28 06:05:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lhn7rkOn8Q&feature=related Feb 28 06:05:04 I don't think there are limits. Feb 28 06:05:06 ouch! Feb 28 06:05:39 b-man yeah I havn't even been watching your bandwidth usage Feb 28 06:06:06 GeneralAntilles, I would think there would be some kind of limit Feb 28 06:06:18 Nokia's paying for the bandwidth. Feb 28 06:06:21 Dunno, though. Feb 28 06:06:27 X-Fade'd be able to say. Feb 28 06:07:09 b-man you only used 10th of what qole used this month Feb 28 06:07:32 how much did he use??? Feb 28 06:07:58 only about 300GB this month Feb 28 06:08:10 but still 2 days left lol Feb 28 06:08:40 0_o Feb 28 06:08:49 really I have no problem with garage all my projects are there and not my server Feb 28 06:09:11 you had about 30GB downloaded this month Feb 28 06:09:34 lol- he copyed my idea for a repository XD Feb 28 06:09:46 lol Feb 28 06:09:57 http://qole.maemobox.org/repository Feb 28 06:11:16 you shouldn't have told him Feb 28 06:12:15 I set stskeeps an account for mer but I don't think he ever put anything up on it Feb 28 06:12:18 hehe - he allwase copys someones ideas XD Feb 28 06:12:51 Stskeeps has his own servers Feb 28 06:13:44 yeah but he asked about using some of my bandwidth to share the load some Feb 28 06:13:46 i even have an account on his - but it's for mer development only Feb 28 06:14:45 How much server space do you have btw? :) Feb 28 06:15:17 about 700GB of Hard Drive space Feb 28 06:16:10 http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/02/vmware-for-mobile.html god help us we will get 100 new how do I put Windows CE on my tablet threads now Feb 28 06:16:23 lol Feb 28 06:16:27 I was hoping not to see a million blogs about that Feb 28 06:17:10 * b-man would not mind trying it out though :) Feb 28 06:17:27 I wouldn't mind trying it either but I don't see it happening lol Feb 28 06:17:34 Well, the easy answer is: "Call VMWare" Feb 28 06:22:33 i'm back, my tablet crashed :P Feb 28 06:23:25 wb my tablet wont boot right now, well wont boot anything but android lol Feb 28 06:24:27 hehe :) Feb 28 06:26:57 I would flash back to maemo but I'm just to last lol Feb 28 06:27:06 lasy Feb 28 06:27:16 :) Feb 28 06:28:07 * b-man16 is still waiting on nitboot :) Feb 28 06:28:31 yeah wonder if he is ever going to get around to that Feb 28 06:28:57 I don't thikn solca has even updated android in a while Feb 28 06:29:48 yeah :( Feb 28 06:30:14 I mainly install Nitdroid just to see my artwork I did for it Feb 28 06:30:44 I still think he should have used the boot screen I made with the android robot holding a n810 Feb 28 06:31:23 http://andrewblck.com/Stuff/Images/android800x480v8.png I just love that Feb 28 06:31:52 sweet :) Feb 28 06:32:30 awsome homepage btw :) Feb 28 06:33:01 thanks Feb 28 06:33:25 just another one of my uncompleted projects Feb 28 06:39:14 hello neatojones :) Feb 28 06:39:23 hey Feb 28 06:40:18 How's it going, b-man16? Feb 28 06:41:08 pritty well, i've updated tablet-wireless and tablet-network-setup :) Feb 28 06:41:31 hm... downloading the hd heroes.. i stopped watching half way through the first season Feb 28 06:41:49 nice. Feb 28 06:41:56 I just reinstalled Mer. Feb 28 06:42:01 heh Feb 28 06:42:05 does it have 2 menus? :) Feb 28 06:42:10 To try and setup E17 on it from a fresh install. Feb 28 06:42:26 haven't use enlightenment in years Feb 28 06:42:26 Ran into dep probs galore due to Mer package conflicts Feb 28 06:42:47 * b-man16 trys to compile dalvik Feb 28 06:42:59 I've been talking to raster to see if I can get teh keyboard going in the Illume module Feb 28 06:43:01 the new fray cd kinda sucks Feb 28 06:43:03 no such luck yet Feb 28 06:43:52 Macer, the Illume module is pretty sweet Feb 28 06:43:58 I like it better than Hildon Feb 28 06:44:14 check out the pics I posted on the screenshots part of ITT Feb 28 06:44:32 running on an n800? Feb 28 06:44:41 on a n810 Feb 28 06:44:43 yeah Feb 28 06:45:02 the keyboard I'm especially interested in because it's supposed to be pretty nice. Feb 28 06:45:25 i need an n810 for the qwerty Feb 28 06:45:27 magnifies where you press and has auto word correction Feb 28 06:45:41 (in e17) Feb 28 06:45:51 i all but ditched my n800 because my g1 has a qwerty Feb 28 06:45:56 :) Feb 28 06:46:13 anyway. Was working with raster last night to see if I could get 'er going. He was still building last I knew. Feb 28 06:46:19 understandable Feb 28 06:46:25 how's the diff in screen size? Feb 28 06:46:36 nice to have 1 dev that does it all I bet Feb 28 06:46:40 i dunno.. like 20% Feb 28 06:46:44 maybe 15 Feb 28 06:47:07 it's pretty close to the n800 screen if you ask me Feb 28 06:47:16 i rooted it Feb 28 06:47:28 speaking ofwhich.. i just installed the modded rc33 Feb 28 06:47:36 it should have a2dp support :) i should try it out Feb 28 06:47:54 people are charging for dumb apps on the android market now Feb 28 06:48:11 someone is charging $8 for a gui interface to iptable scripts Feb 28 06:48:16 wtf? it's like apple shit Feb 28 06:49:01 * neatojones gets frustrated because firefox keeps closing in his desktop. Feb 28 06:49:15 what is the desktop running? Feb 28 06:49:34 pubuntu Feb 28 06:49:41 p? Feb 28 06:49:45 it has ram issues. Feb 28 06:49:52 wtf is p? :) Feb 28 06:49:53 but, I just adopted it from a friend Feb 28 06:50:01 say it out loud... Feb 28 06:50:19 it's regular ubuntu. Feb 28 06:50:34 so what is the p for? public? Feb 28 06:50:34 heh Feb 28 06:50:46 no, for "poo" Feb 28 06:50:56 HAHA Feb 28 06:50:59 run debian Feb 28 06:51:13 the system is crapping out Feb 28 06:51:16 kubuntu ran like shit on my artigo Feb 28 06:51:22 i think it is because of the video chipset tho Feb 28 06:51:26 xp is running great on it :) Feb 28 06:51:40 I've Oc'ed it to and athlon XP 3200 from 2500 Feb 28 06:51:44 it uses a unichrome Feb 28 06:51:50 ouch Feb 28 06:51:56 do you have it in a freezer or something? Feb 28 06:51:58 the RAM has serious problems Feb 28 06:52:04 no 3 fans blowing on it Feb 28 06:52:08 i would guess so :) Feb 28 06:52:10 running 42C Feb 28 06:52:14 that's not too bad Feb 28 06:52:19 cooler than the non oc'ed Feb 28 06:52:42 my athlons run around 60 Feb 28 06:52:57 but that's a pretty stressed system Feb 28 06:53:07 yep...actually she's running 40 right now... but only gets up to 43 on heavy load Feb 28 06:53:18 she's got some serious fannage going on. Feb 28 06:53:30 sounds like an airplane taking off huh? :) Feb 28 06:53:38 ran at 52 to 60 prior to overclock and fans Feb 28 06:53:39 i have 8 fans in my fileserver Feb 28 06:53:40 yep Feb 28 06:53:55 it desperately needs RAM Feb 28 06:54:05 9 if you include the video card that i need to replace with a cheap heat sink only one Feb 28 06:54:10 I have to specify the RAM to prevent errors Feb 28 06:54:21 get some ram for it then ;) Feb 28 06:54:43 it's a pile. Gonna get a new one in a few months. Feb 28 06:54:55 not worth the money. Feb 28 06:54:58 :) Feb 28 06:55:07 if i find some...then we'll talk Feb 28 06:55:09 :D Feb 28 06:55:15 i should see if i can get $10 for my old dual p3 Feb 28 06:55:32 the grub is screwed up though Feb 28 06:56:08 it had an xp partition, and I have to hit e at grub and change it from (hd1,0) to hd(0,0) Feb 28 06:56:19 not sure how to fix it permanently though Feb 28 06:56:34 edit the grub.conf Feb 28 06:57:00 bbl.. have to work a little more on this artigo.. i have like.. 10 usb things hooked up to it Feb 28 06:57:05 i'm trying to find its breaking point haha Feb 28 06:57:08 it's been a while since I've messed with them...used to konw it inside and out. Feb 28 06:57:18 k Feb 28 06:57:25 later Feb 28 06:57:29 have to find out why this monitor isn't going 1400x1050 too Feb 28 06:57:36 wtf :) plug n play my ass Feb 28 06:59:12 probably faulty EDID Feb 28 06:59:21 or gfx card doesn't support this mode Feb 28 06:59:29 the gfx card does Feb 28 06:59:36 it worked in kubuntu at that res Feb 28 06:59:43 xp doesn't seem to be accepting it too well Feb 28 07:01:56 Radeon? Feb 28 07:02:31 unichrome Feb 28 07:02:35 monitor is a westinghouse Feb 28 07:02:41 oh, can't help you with VIA Feb 28 07:02:48 yah Feb 28 07:02:53 artigo is all via chipset Feb 28 07:03:06 via everything.. i think it's pretty awesome tho for what it is Feb 28 07:03:59 about the only good thing Via has right now is Envy24 audio chip Feb 28 07:04:00 i honestly bet i just have to get some crap driver from westinghouse to get xp to see it for what it is Feb 28 07:04:07 and it wasn't theirs in the first place ;P Feb 28 07:04:18 neither was the unichrome ;) Feb 28 07:04:28 or the C7 Feb 28 07:04:33 yup Feb 28 07:04:37 i think everythign via has is acquired Feb 28 07:05:28 except chipsets Feb 28 07:06:26 poor S3 - made one of the best gfx cards at the time Feb 28 07:12:23 the virge? Feb 28 07:12:24 heh Feb 28 07:12:34 ugh this monitor thing is driving me nuts Feb 28 07:13:07 i have to figure out how to get it to its native but i have shit goign on in the background.. i was just going to try to delete the drivers for the video and monitors and restart and see if it picks it up Feb 28 07:13:58 this artigo wasn't meant for video encoding anywyas.. i think i'll just start up my xp vm on the esx box Feb 28 07:15:12 Macer: Savage, not Virge Feb 28 07:15:23 although Virge was first 3D accelerated card Feb 28 07:16:44 never had a savage to tell you the truth Feb 28 07:17:27 it was better than TNT2... Feb 28 07:17:34 i had a tnt2 ;) Feb 28 07:17:59 i had a couple voodoo2s Feb 28 07:18:08 when that had came out Feb 28 07:18:19 who bought the physX? Feb 28 07:18:25 AMD? Feb 28 07:18:29 ati Feb 28 07:18:30 erm Feb 28 07:18:31 nvidia Feb 28 07:18:33 oh Feb 28 07:18:41 do they actually use it for anything? :) Feb 28 07:18:46 I think so Feb 28 07:18:51 almost Feb 28 07:18:58 that idea is extremely old really Feb 28 07:19:10 having a physics co-processor? Feb 28 07:19:12 I remember my card installed some driverthing called physx Feb 28 07:19:27 i don't understand why they made a whole card for it Feb 28 07:19:34 they should have just sold the tech to nvidia to begin with Feb 28 07:19:52 there were like 2 games that used it and one came with the card Feb 28 07:20:24 because they tried to keep on the market... or maybe some executive meddling was the cause Feb 28 07:20:33 like, execs trying to drop shares Feb 28 07:21:31 i thought it was a good ida Feb 28 07:21:43 idea too Feb 28 07:21:55 it's not really - I'd prefer having the engine in the CPU Feb 28 07:22:51 SSE 5 anyone? :> Feb 28 07:22:58 heh Feb 28 07:23:16 i7 physX EXTREME Feb 28 07:23:36 you ahve to make it sound cool like that Feb 28 07:25:08 this esx box just doesn't seem to be giving me the power i'm looking for Feb 28 07:25:08 wtf Feb 28 07:25:33 it has a 2.8GHz core2duo and i'm getting like 700MHz out of it Feb 28 07:25:47 i think i should check the bios on it and see if there are dumb things set Feb 28 07:26:01 like "throttle down whenever possible when not running a microsoft product YES/NO" Feb 28 07:26:28 it has to be stepping the cpu down Feb 28 07:26:47 it's called cpufreq Feb 28 07:26:53 enable the acpi version Feb 28 07:27:22 is that an esx thing or a bios thing? Feb 28 07:27:30 ? Feb 28 07:27:40 linux kernel Feb 28 07:27:52 i'm not running linux on it (well.. technically) Feb 28 07:27:55 i'm running esx on it Feb 28 07:28:13 i will just see if i can turn it off in the bios and bitchslap the electric bill running the cpu full speed the whole time Feb 28 07:28:46 if you were to see my esx VM speeds right now.. it makes no sense Feb 28 07:28:59 and i tweaked esx the best i can.. i have to disable power saving crap in the bios :) bbl Feb 28 07:29:29 actually.. crap ican't do it right now Feb 28 07:31:41 argh! wtf :) Feb 28 07:31:58 i think i know what it is Feb 28 08:01:22 moo pupnik Feb 28 08:06:47 morning Feb 28 08:18:50 Good morning. Feb 28 08:37:55 Morning, all Feb 28 08:40:13 moorning, jaffa Feb 28 08:41:13 * Jaffa hasn't triggered a torrent of other candidates in the last 7 hours Feb 28 08:45:58 is there a list? Feb 28 08:46:14 Sure. Feb 28 08:46:16 Jaffa. Feb 28 08:49:15 * RST38h read "hasn't" as "has". Getting old or something. Feb 28 08:49:22 oh well Feb 28 08:50:50 morning all Feb 28 08:54:46 qwerty12, any things you want into 0.9 before monday release? Feb 28 08:54:58 nothing I can think of Feb 28 08:55:54 k Feb 28 08:59:11 Jaffa: it was sent only to the community list. Feb 28 09:00:01 how many people are on that list? Feb 28 09:00:10 i'm personally satisfied with 770 wifi support in this release Feb 28 09:00:31 keesj: as the nominations are supposed to be, doesn't seem right spamming -dev & -users Feb 28 09:00:59 call for nominees at iTT? ;) Feb 28 09:02:18 keesj, Planet, too. Feb 28 09:02:20 Nah, they're all busy trying to get it up over nokia's apparent lack of silence over the N900 Feb 28 09:03:25 * Myrtti yawns Feb 28 09:03:38 lack of silence? :P Feb 28 09:03:55 Eurgh. Feb 28 09:03:59 * qwerty12 learns to type Feb 28 09:04:00 * Myrtti rubs her eyes. I need coffee Feb 28 09:04:21 Take a blurry photo of an N810W, flip it horizontally, send it to Engadget with: "this features an OMAP3430, capable of HD video playback; a 5MP camera; HSPA; GPS and a revamped Maemo UI" and they'lll be happy Feb 28 09:04:36 i swear, there has to be some computational ability in the rumour mills itt has once in a while.. Feb 28 09:05:02 * Jaffa realises he left the camera off his absolutely-definitely-getting list to danramos Feb 28 09:05:33 Myrtti: nice hot strong cup of tea and a bacon butty: perfect start to a Saturday Feb 28 09:05:52 'Proof of turing-completeness of internet rumour mills' Feb 28 09:06:04 baconaise bun? Feb 28 09:06:12 I'll have rye bread with leek and cottage cheese, flushed with good café au lait Feb 28 09:06:17 Errr, no ;-) Feb 28 09:06:36 Myrtti: sounds good, but not enough bacon Feb 28 09:06:49 Jaffa: will frankfurters do? Feb 28 09:08:17 StsN800: The worst thing about baconaisse was when Jon Stewart dunked a blueberry sausage-in-a-pancake in it, and took a bite. That /can't/ be kosher, surely (assuming either of them do contain any meat) Feb 28 09:08:55 awesome Feb 28 09:11:45 damnit Feb 28 09:13:06 Jaffa, yeah, saw:) Feb 28 09:17:29 It's easier to announce something when there's something previously unseen to announce. Feb 28 09:21:20 Jaffa: are non food items covered by this kosher? cause that's not food Feb 28 09:21:57 this esx box is running like absolute shit Feb 28 09:22:24 what's with that vmware on maemo thing? Feb 28 09:30:14 roope, like all the remaining details about Fremantle and the RX-51, for instance? Feb 28 09:31:13 ga: well, yeah. RX-51 especially. Feb 28 09:31:19 Nokia likes to keep the devices secret. Feb 28 09:33:37 Well, also the new UI. Feb 28 09:43:08 roope, basically everything relevant to end users and consumers. ;) Feb 28 09:43:53 GeneralAntilles: so much for the Caribbean. Feb 28 09:44:10 lbt, sorry. :( :P Feb 28 09:47:29 ga: basically yes. Feb 28 09:47:50 Nokia likes to keep control of those messages and their marketnig. Feb 28 10:07:18 hello Feb 28 10:07:28 I am trying an apt-get install camera Feb 28 10:07:30 on my n810 Feb 28 10:07:39 the unpacking stalls more or less Feb 28 10:07:48 any ideas on how to find out what is wrong? Feb 28 10:08:57 ah... it asks stuff on the screen of the n810 Feb 28 10:09:04 how usefull if I am using a cli app via ssh Feb 28 10:09:40 heh Feb 28 10:10:42 so I can't ssh in from the other side of the world and use apt-get Feb 28 10:10:49 x11vnc Feb 28 10:10:52 or is there a way around this? Feb 28 10:10:53 yes Feb 28 10:10:56 but text-mode? Feb 28 10:11:05 some switch? (`say yes to anything`) Feb 28 10:12:50 udovdh: I've come up against that occasionally Feb 28 10:13:00 and your fix? Feb 28 10:13:11 stay on the right side of the world ;) Feb 28 10:13:40 is it a real issue? Feb 28 10:13:50 eg bulk installs? Feb 28 10:13:54 or just a niggle? Feb 28 10:14:27 just one occasion Feb 28 10:14:33 I recently got my n810 Feb 28 10:14:41 maemo-select-menu-location is the app that is called I think Feb 28 10:14:48 during the debian postinst Feb 28 10:14:51 and found out that the cli environment needs work Feb 28 10:15:06 the n810 is now charging Feb 28 10:15:11 so the screen could stay on Feb 28 10:15:15 instead it goes black Feb 28 10:15:22 (needs configuring I guess?) Feb 28 10:15:22 there's a switch IIRC Feb 28 10:15:58 control panel/display/ Feb 28 10:16:17 Display stays lit : never/when charging Feb 28 10:16:23 :D Feb 28 10:16:45 indeed Feb 28 10:16:47 thanks Feb 28 10:16:51 np Feb 28 10:17:15 about removing navicore: Feb 28 10:17:27 just delete all files with that name in the path? Feb 28 10:17:37 dpkg doesn't know about navicore... Feb 28 10:17:53 mmm Feb 28 10:18:19 in general I wouldn't advise rm Feb 28 10:18:32 I don't use navicore Feb 28 10:18:39 I am trying navit Feb 28 10:18:51 and I can reflash when disaster occurs Feb 28 10:18:57 it's called "map" Feb 28 10:18:58 or tar before removing Feb 28 10:19:07 oh.. will dig into it more Feb 28 10:19:56 ah indeed; thanks Feb 28 10:20:14 dpkg-query -S navicore Feb 28 10:21:24 dpkg -r map Feb 28 10:21:58 there is also maemo-mapper Feb 28 10:22:08 I heard about that yes Feb 28 10:22:13 differences? Feb 28 10:22:18 pretty good depending on needs Feb 28 10:22:19 not installed standard? Feb 28 10:22:27 no, it's a community app Feb 28 10:22:33 navit is more or less a tomtom replacement in progress Feb 28 10:22:40 but more flexible etc Feb 28 10:22:42 interesting Feb 28 10:23:21 ah, no maps Feb 28 10:23:38 osm! Feb 28 10:23:45 pretty good, depending on where you are Feb 28 10:23:51 and you cna also add to the map Feb 28 10:24:00 just drive around with a gps and upload the logs Feb 28 10:25:18 looks interesting... Feb 28 10:25:27 just try it out Feb 28 10:25:36 I have it working on an ipaq h2210 Feb 28 10:25:39 except for the audio Feb 28 10:25:41 personally I think maemo-mapper over greatly overrated. it's the best (if not only) option if you want satellite maps, but the UI is awfully slow (as it seems to allocate huge amounts of memory) as soon as you start panning around or zooming in and out. Feb 28 10:25:43 and now on the n810 Feb 28 10:25:51 GeneralAntilles: woo! Feb 28 10:25:57 ? Feb 28 10:26:11 he's copying Jaffa ;) Feb 28 10:26:22 See, there's a benefit to declaring first ;-) Feb 28 10:26:35 lbt, I was going to put (shamelessly plagiarised from Andrew) at the top Feb 28 10:26:40 But decided against it. ;) Feb 28 10:26:54 Although it's not so much a fight for a person's vote with the preferential ranked voting this time. Feb 28 10:26:55 (serves him right for reporting bugs in shopper) Feb 28 10:27:06 A formates a format and might as well stick with it. ;) Feb 28 10:27:22 s/gibberish/something resembling English/ Feb 28 10:27:38 Anyway, now we've at least got a 2-person council. . . . Feb 28 10:27:56 Damn, I was hoping for a autocracy. Feb 28 10:27:57 Still need one more person to declare for the election to be valid :-/ Feb 28 10:28:06 * GeneralAntilles hopes Dell's shipping estimate on his Mini 9 is pessimistic. Feb 28 10:28:19 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_Process - point 11. Feb 28 10:28:26 Jaffa, Darius, remember? :P Feb 28 10:28:59 Oh, yeah. And 3 candidates would, according to this rule, all become the council *without* a vote. Feb 28 10:29:02 * Myrtti wants a pink Asus Aspire 1 Feb 28 10:29:11 wnd: I tend to agree it's more pretty than really useful Feb 28 10:29:49 I used Maemo Mapper on a 770 in the early days. Feb 28 10:29:54 It only feels faster to me these days. ;) Feb 28 10:30:14 That comes with the upgrade of 770 to N800 ;P Feb 28 10:39:34 hmm... http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/02/cellular-providers-want-nokia-to-drop-skype-from-cell-phones.ars Feb 28 10:39:50 how surprising... NOT Feb 28 10:40:13 I thought our networks were decent *cries* Feb 28 10:40:28 think i give up on trying to tweak this Feb 28 10:41:39 i have no idea why the hell the damn thing is going so damn slow :) Feb 28 10:44:11 any opinions on kismet for n810? Feb 28 10:44:17 best? worst? Feb 28 11:33:59 hey, is there a way to change the bootloaders default option? Feb 28 11:34:23 https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Set_the_default_boot_device Feb 28 11:47:48 qwerty12, thanks, i am also using your fb mode in the wiki :) Feb 28 11:48:23 Heh, it's fanoush's stuff and lbt tidied up the steps for the wiki :) Feb 28 11:50:55 can the n810 file manager browse the sd card? Feb 28 11:51:02 or just the internal memory? Feb 28 11:51:10 (it is not very intuitive...) Feb 28 11:54:46 qwerty12, strange, the bootmenu vanishede,.. but it boots to immc2 Feb 28 11:54:50 vanished* Feb 28 11:56:28 you did use *ask*:immc2 right? Feb 28 11:56:36 er - which key sis the home key in nokia n180? Feb 28 11:56:49 qwerty12, i did.. let me try again, maybe i was stupid Feb 28 11:57:22 qwerty12, right. i guess the second time i messed Feb 28 12:00:45 qwerty12, do you know if there is a way to use the USB recovery mode to dump the internal memory flash in a nice quick way? i want to backup after i recovered Feb 28 12:01:11 Well, I can't promise a nice way... Feb 28 12:01:37 qwerty12, i guess ill have to use the internal flash to do it hen Feb 28 12:01:38 then* Feb 28 12:02:18 qwerty12, how did you get the kernel output during boot to work? Feb 28 12:03:57 "softcursor bitblit font fbcon" modules in initfs's /lib/modules/`uname -r` and adding ITEM_MODULES="softcursor bitblit font fbcon" and ITEM_FBMODE="auto" to my bootmenu.conf Feb 28 12:05:59 hi, is there bitlbee for maemo somewhere? Feb 28 12:09:47 hahlo, interesting concept... Feb 28 12:11:10 yes could be light to run background Feb 28 12:20:09 hahlo, why do you need it to run locally? Feb 28 12:24:21 * Myrtti runs bitlbee on her home server and uses ssh to connect to screened irssi/bitlbee combo Feb 28 12:51:08 udovdh, yes the file manager can browse the internal memory and the cards. On the left you have several folders. "Nokia N810", "Internal memory card", "Removable memory card", "Bluetooth", "Shared folders" Feb 28 12:51:17 "Removable memory card" is the minisd slot Feb 28 12:52:47 Bluetooth browses any bluetooth device with an obexftp server in range, for example your cellphone. "Shared folders" is whatever SMB/CIFS shares found through wlan, though it only works if you don't need a user/pass to access it Feb 28 13:17:07 Hi everyone. Feb 28 13:36:06 I'm an idiot that enters here just to being helped, although I can't help nobody... Feb 28 13:36:08 so... Feb 28 13:36:15 can anybody help me with my problem? Feb 28 13:36:59 I was installing KDE 3.5.6 on my 7700 Feb 28 13:37:00 770* Feb 28 13:37:14 and when I enter the last step in Xterm as root I get: Feb 28 13:37:16 :P Feb 28 13:37:48 # /tar-temp/bin/tar jxvf KDE356FINAL1.tar.bz2 Feb 28 13:38:19 /bin/sh: /tar-temp/bin/tar: not found Feb 28 13:38:26 so, what do I do now? Feb 28 13:40:58 also, if i do tar jxfv KDE....tar.bz2 I get a tar: invalid option --j and the usage Feb 28 13:42:36 any ideas? Feb 28 13:47:00 binky: does the usage information mention j? Feb 28 13:47:41 [wait, I'm rebooting, the tablet, please] Feb 28 13:49:31 usage says: tar -[czxtv0] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)] Feb 28 13:50:04 I don't put the whole path to the file, because it's in /, and I cded to it. Feb 28 13:50:49 RST38h: god knows why you want linuxdc++... shittest client i've ever seen. on my tablet, it segfaults when pressing ok in settings... but i've added one way fullscreen & in theory (untested) right click functionality in search to menu button: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/linuxdcpp_1.0.2-1_armel.deb but untested Feb 28 13:51:14 qwerty: !! =) Feb 28 13:51:22 qwerty: It works very very well on the desktop Feb 28 13:51:38 qwerty: Thanks! Getting it... Feb 28 13:51:44 I can't get it to do a search :/ Feb 28 13:52:10 The version compiled by n8xx.com guys does search just fine Feb 28 13:52:17 RST38h, do you know another way to do the same operation as jxvf does? Feb 28 13:52:22 but is kinda useless because of the right button Feb 28 13:52:32 searching on the desktop that is Feb 28 13:52:36 binky: Your tar does not support j option Feb 28 13:52:47 binky: Alternatively, you may not have bzip2 installed Feb 28 13:52:50 I have. Feb 28 13:52:57 Just installed it before this step. Feb 28 13:53:08 binky: do bzcat2 file.tar.bz2 | tar -xvf - Feb 28 13:53:12 I can't vouch for that deb though.. dc++ segfaults when i press ok in settings Feb 28 13:53:42 qwerty: n8xx version seems to have working settings but the settings layout is completely broken Feb 28 13:54:19 Ok, It's working now. Thank you VEEEEEEEERY much, RST38h (what does the nick mean?) Feb 28 13:54:34 RST38h: settings layout is broken here too - it uses fucking glade which i don't have time for Feb 28 13:54:55 yea Feb 28 13:54:55 It will take a lot of time to complete, I'm going to it, I'll tell you if it works so I can thank you even more (?) Feb 28 13:55:21 qwerty: My guess is that reducing the font size should automagically fix the layout Feb 28 13:55:44 font size is determined from the theme Feb 28 13:55:59 ah Feb 28 13:56:20 but it's not hard to add a scrollbar to a glade window but I'm not well versed in these things anyway Feb 28 13:57:01 it is strange that there is no way to override theme font size Feb 28 13:58:12 there's a pack of the nokia default themes that use 12pt fonts somewhere (maemo.lancode.de ?) Feb 28 13:59:05 btw, scons isn't a problem in sbox1 - it's provided internally Feb 28 13:59:13 Wow, Bundyo adds the add blocker to tear! Feb 28 13:59:24 qwerty: ! Feb 28 13:59:36 qwerty: Too bad I do not have sbox1 any more... Feb 28 14:00:29 sbox1 will be all that i have wrt the sbox's :p Feb 28 14:01:47 This is to inform you that we are in Feb 28 14:01:47 possession of your Parcel (which includes a certified cheque worth of Feb 28 14:01:47 ¸650,000.00 [Six Hundred and Fifty Thousand Pounds Sterlings]and other vital Feb 28 14:02:01 documents) (some african posing as DHL) Feb 28 14:02:32 Where do they find suckers for all these scams? Feb 28 14:08:44 RST38h, when I came back I found Xterm closed.... Feb 28 14:09:14 binky: I didn't cose your xterm. Feb 28 14:09:25 ...sure... Feb 28 14:09:46 was that the same action that the jxvf command did or was it just to look the files inside the tar? Feb 28 14:10:07 Well, we're definitely having another council now, with Andy80's candidature. Feb 28 14:10:42 but I keep believing, that, as the command did not suceed, you closed my xterm, so I couldn't see the results! HA-HA! Feb 28 14:12:53 qwerty: entering nickname and pressing ok in settings worked for me Feb 28 14:13:15 odd, it keeps crashing here. Feb 28 14:13:31 qwerty: it is not showing cyrillics but I guess it is normal Feb 28 14:14:02 (which is why I can't test the menu thing - I don't have a nick so no hub will let me in) Feb 28 14:15:13 RST38h, /bin/sh: bzcat2: not found ___ wtf? it worked 5 minutes ago! Feb 28 14:17:48 qwerty: search does not work because the search button is off screen Feb 28 14:18:12 enter doesn't work? :( Feb 28 14:18:33 qwerty: I have not tried the hw enter button but the virt keyboard one does not Feb 28 14:18:51 bollocks Feb 28 14:19:31 weird Feb 28 14:20:12 time to make a dc++ emulator? =) Feb 28 14:23:13 Morngin Feb 28 14:24:35 Jaffa, Why you say that ? the current council can win again :) Feb 28 14:30:06 RST38h, I've ran it (ran or run? I'm learning irregular english verbs at school lol) as bzcat, not bzcat2 and it seems to be working now, it's well done? Feb 28 14:31:05 binky: as long as it works, yes Feb 28 14:31:32 It lists all the files that are being extracted, true? Feb 28 14:31:47 qwerty: naaah, although a glade/gtk wrapper that automatically hildonizes things would be helpful Feb 28 14:32:33 isntt here some gtk/hildony progress being made? Feb 28 14:36:28 sudo apt-get install bacon Feb 28 14:43:39 VDVsx: We've got 3 candidates, if no one else stands, they become the council Feb 28 14:43:58 Jaffa: You mean, our good General is not running? Feb 28 14:43:59 hey folks Feb 28 14:44:42 RST38h: 3 candidates = Jaffa, GeneralAntilles, Andy80 Feb 28 14:44:43 Jaffa, the deadline is in the end of the next week right ? Feb 28 14:45:06 how's freemantle roadmap going? Feb 28 14:45:08 ah Feb 28 14:45:21 freeeeemantle Feb 28 14:45:22 neo: With a single E. Feb 28 14:45:39 VDVsx: err, can't remember and have screaming baby. Sounds about right Feb 28 14:45:56 other candidates will appear :) Feb 28 14:46:09 RST38h: oh, sorry. I never get those names. I still type Gregalle sometimes... Feb 28 14:47:05 Jaffa, in my very personal opinion I think the current council did a good job :) Feb 28 14:48:01 and if the core of the current council maintain, will be good, because those persons learned a lot during the last 6 months Feb 28 14:54:25 neostrider, do you know where do those names come from? Diablo means Devil in spanish, Bora is a island where there were atomic tests in the Pacific ocean, but I don't know anymore. Gregale, Chinook, Fremantle... Feb 28 14:54:43 those Feb 28 14:54:49 those maemo 2 names are wind names Feb 28 14:54:59 famous european wind flows Feb 28 14:55:24 I dont know about chinook and frEmantle ;-) Feb 28 14:55:39 (but I would love to see a wind called IT2005 =-P) Feb 28 14:56:10 ilmatar would be wicked for Harmattan+1 Feb 28 14:57:05 chinook sounds like inuit Feb 28 14:57:12 neostrider, they are all wind names Feb 28 14:57:29 (I nokia guy said that in a presentation :)) Feb 28 14:57:38 And Elephanta is a female elephant god of bodily pleasure? Feb 28 14:57:57 (I wish the nokia guys that come to Rio would give some maemo presentations instead of only S60 presentations...) Feb 28 14:58:34 Myrtti: not inuit, but indians form American west Feb 28 14:59:24 RST38h: IIRC inuits are generally listed as descendants of native americans, but yeah, said it only *sounds* like inuit :-P Feb 28 14:59:50 they are native americans, ain't they? =) Feb 28 15:00:41 Tear block list does not work =( Feb 28 15:00:59 heheh : http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/255457/harmattan Feb 28 15:03:11 http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/73774/bora :-P Feb 28 15:04:53 known to knock people down and overturn vehicles Feb 28 15:04:55 hmmmm Feb 28 15:05:40 maybe a 770 controlled car? Feb 28 15:06:04 google gave me more rating to britannica than to wikipedia, this info also exist in wikipedia :) Feb 28 15:06:08 there are germans making autonomous arm-based UAVs Feb 28 15:06:41 http://ng.uavp.ch and swiss etc Feb 28 15:06:55 #uavp on freenode Feb 28 15:07:34 pupnik_: Pupnik! long time no see you, my friend! Feb 28 15:07:41 hola neostrider Feb 28 15:08:10 como vai? Feb 28 15:09:10 (hola is spanish ;-) use "oi" ) Feb 28 15:09:13 muito bem! Feb 28 15:09:24 and how about your game ports? Feb 28 15:14:15 neostrider, I'm back, thank you for the answer. Feb 28 15:14:21 do you speak spanish? Feb 28 15:15:14 pupnik_, you can use -> "Olá" too :) Feb 28 15:15:42 Brazillian Portuguese Feb 28 15:16:07 but my girlfriend's father is uruguayan, so Im learning it again Feb 28 15:16:12 i have no game progress sorry neostrider Feb 28 15:16:23 (I used to study it back in junior high) Feb 28 15:16:46 i want to make flying killer robots now Feb 28 15:17:37 KILL KILL DESTROY Feb 28 15:17:43 neostrider, If you don't understand some expression or something, ask me, I' m spanish Feb 28 15:17:51 I only can say "obrigado" in portuguese. Feb 28 15:19:15 binky: gracias for your support ;-) Feb 28 15:19:38 lol! Feb 28 15:19:40 pupnik_: you mean, a real robot or a robot game? Feb 28 15:20:14 binky, you are from spain or latin america ? Feb 28 15:21:22 VDVsx, I'm from spain, but I talk to latin americans very often, so i know some expressions from there Feb 28 15:21:32 I'm from El Ejido, Almería, Spain. Feb 28 15:21:37 and you? Feb 28 15:21:52 Portugal, we are almost neighbors :) lol Feb 28 15:22:04 VDVsx: where in portugal? Feb 28 15:22:08 I've never crossed the frontier lol Feb 28 15:22:17 south, near to Faro Feb 28 15:22:35 cool Feb 28 15:22:50 What's there? There's a city called Vila Gordo do Antonio or something like that, near Ayamonte in Huelva, there's a ... valla? (wall of iron) Feb 28 15:22:51 my family are mostly from Vila Real , Tras-os-montes Feb 28 15:23:01 my grand-father is from Porto Feb 28 15:23:34 but Im sure I couldn't understand you. I went to the portuguese neighbourhood in Toronto and I couldnt understand a word they said Feb 28 15:23:47 lol Feb 28 15:23:53 binky, Vila real de santo antonio is one city, monte gordo another :) eheheh Feb 28 15:24:11 Lol! Feb 28 15:24:36 My favourite band is coming to Portugal and I can't go to the show in spain... -_- Feb 28 15:24:49 whats the band? Feb 28 15:25:30 neostrider, I understand very well brazilian persons :) Its almost the same with some accent :) Feb 28 15:25:33 SlipKnoT Feb 28 15:25:40 Nu-Metal music Feb 28 15:25:48 what music do you listen to? Feb 28 15:26:21 (I also like jazz, trip-hop and hard rock, but I mainly listen to Nu-metal, progressive metal or thrash) Feb 28 15:27:36 Im listening to NIN right now Feb 28 15:27:41 but its a Gary Numan cover Feb 28 15:27:43 binky, I went once to Almeria (In a trip to Granada and Serra nevada), but didn't remember very well the city :) (I'm listen Stone sour right now, curious) Feb 28 15:27:46 I love technopop Feb 28 15:28:54 VDVsx, sometimes I prefer Stone Sour over SlipKnoT, don't know why Feb 28 15:29:11 neostrider, I love NIN, they are one of the few Industrial Metal bands I like Feb 28 15:29:41 same here Feb 28 15:29:47 VDVsx, I played my first show with our band yesterday. Policemen went to stop as at the 5th song... Feb 28 15:29:55 but I like David Bowies's industrial rock albums Feb 28 15:30:05 Just when we were going to play Inhale by Stone Sour Feb 28 15:30:14 binky, I didn't know that SlipKnot will come to Portugal :) Feb 28 15:30:16 lol Feb 28 15:30:17 binky: this is a coolness factor meter ;-) Feb 28 15:30:25 neostrider, people tell me I look like David Bowie lol Feb 28 15:30:47 binky: wich age Bowie? Feb 28 15:31:01 Which age I am? Feb 28 15:31:03 I'm 13. Feb 28 15:31:14 binky, Metallica and SlipKnot at the same festival, cool :) Feb 28 15:31:35 VDVsx, Metallica, SlipKnoT, Lamb Of God and Mastodon in Barcelona, 19th July Feb 28 15:31:37 no no... I mean, what bowie persona do you resemble? Feb 28 15:32:41 neostrider, I don't know. I've listened to almost the whole discography of David Bowie, but only saw a picture of him once. Feb 28 15:34:09 wow Feb 28 15:34:20 do you know the "Outside" album? Feb 28 15:35:57 ...Heard of it, but.. I believe I never listened to it, why? Feb 28 15:38:18 hey, question: when i connect the device over USB, and try to do a dump from immc with dd it goes really slow (about 1bm a min). is there a way to speed it up? Feb 28 15:38:37 binky: try it...its the best Feb 28 15:38:49 neostrider, what style? Feb 28 15:38:58 guysoft42: the USB is very slow... Feb 28 15:39:08 binky: industrial...a lighter version of NIN Feb 28 15:39:27 guysoft42, I'd help you but I have no idea of what you're talking about, although my 770's USB goes slow as hell Feb 28 15:40:21 neostrider, binky that must explain it. what would be the fastest way to do a dd then of the internal flash? (the 2 gb one) Feb 28 15:40:34 blue tooth? Feb 28 15:40:51 ...dd stands for Direct Download? Feb 28 15:41:08 guysoft42: I just experienced this slowness. It took ages to copy some 200 MB of data over USB... Feb 28 15:41:29 binky: dd is a UNIX command/application to duplicate data Feb 28 15:41:50 binky, dd stands for i think data dump or something.. its a unix command to dump a drive to a file Feb 28 15:41:54 neostrider, my 770 goes fast 35 mbs. then stops there for... 2 or 3 minutes, and goes another 35 MBs, that way until it finishes Feb 28 15:42:16 so 35 meg into ram ;) Feb 28 15:42:25 guysoft42, why don't you set up a FTP network with the 770 and a computer and just pass files over wifi Feb 28 15:43:11 binky, well i wanted a solution that i can run off the computer. i rather dd to the PC directly, and not dd on the device an copy Feb 28 15:44:08 oh...... then i can't help, sorry. Feb 28 15:44:26 I can't heeelp with falling in love (8) i was listening to it ... lol Feb 28 15:44:41 binky: ?? Feb 28 15:45:11 neostrider, Can't Help With Falling in Love by Elvis Feb 28 15:46:07 It's true when Aisu said that the untar of KDE would take forever. Feb 28 15:46:27 almost 1'5 hours... Feb 28 15:46:37 Oh, It's un taring Kopete Feb 28 15:47:26 binky: KDE for Maemo? Feb 28 15:47:37 Of course. Feb 28 15:47:56 what device? Feb 28 15:48:00 770 Feb 28 15:48:09 but It's available for all of ITs. Feb 28 15:48:16 OMG! Feb 28 15:48:21 what size? Feb 28 15:48:25 XFCE is also available. Feb 28 15:48:28 Hmmm Feb 28 15:48:36 700 MBs I think Feb 28 15:48:44 I partitioned the 2 GB MMC Feb 28 15:48:58 480 MBs for FAT and the rest for the OS Feb 28 15:49:13 so I downloaded it in / Feb 28 15:49:19 and it's unzipping... Feb 28 15:49:22 untaring I mean Feb 28 15:49:26 XFCE is slighter Feb 28 15:49:45 and now I repent for installing KDE instead XFCE and noticing I'm an idiot, but... Feb 28 15:51:34 how hacky is it? Feb 28 15:51:55 not much Feb 28 15:52:04 It's a pretty standard version Feb 28 15:52:16 you can't install any KDE app that isn't included though Feb 28 15:52:27 you must partition your MMC card and boot from it Feb 28 15:52:39 then download a .tar.bz2 and untar it Feb 28 15:52:51 and under Extras, you'll see KDE 3.5.6 Feb 28 15:53:26 It pretty usable (people say, I haven't tried it yet... it keeps un taring forever( Feb 28 15:53:36 hummm..sounds too hacky for me Feb 28 15:54:15 last time I tried such a thing, was in my EZX phone. I booted OpenMoko on it...but it got so hot that I had to take the battery out Feb 28 15:54:29 :o Feb 28 15:55:10 COME ON, Why The Hell you include Kalzium , KStars and Kangram, I don't need them absolutely! Feb 28 15:55:46 Noo! It will come with Noatun, I hate it. Feb 28 15:58:10 My mouse batteries ran out hours ago, but for some reason, taking them out, and in makes them work for 2 minutes. Feb 28 15:58:18 ... It doesn't work anymore. Feb 28 15:58:32 I'll read something to have fun while KDE installs. Feb 28 15:58:38 weird Feb 28 15:58:53 I dont like all that KDE useless stuff Feb 28 15:59:07 my EeePC comes with mr portato guy (or something like that) Feb 28 15:59:07 cool... now It's untaring Mahjong. Feb 28 15:59:19 I would love to take it out...but its unionFS Feb 28 15:59:30 I loved it 7 years ago. Feb 28 15:59:40 That was my first Linux experience. Feb 28 15:59:55 I was 6 and my brother installed SuSE with KDE. Feb 28 16:00:16 mine too...but then I evolved =-P Feb 28 16:01:24 I played Mr. Potato Guy, played with the Periodic Table (With 5 years I learned the whole periodic table for no reason, and now I have to study it for school. Also, I knew AAAALLLL countries capitals and flags) with Kalzium and watched Nightsky with KStars. Feb 28 16:01:48 I wonder it comes with it all because developer's kid. Feb 28 16:01:57 Penguinbait has a kid? lol Feb 28 16:02:15 Man, I was a nerd when I was 6... Feb 28 16:02:35 oh, a ver conjugator preinstalled... Feb 28 16:02:38 verb/ Feb 28 16:02:41 verb* Feb 28 16:02:49 how do I invocate infobot? Feb 28 16:08:16 the speed was 46.2 kB/s Feb 28 16:09:58 * RST38h moos evilly Feb 28 16:12:10 binky: what ITOS do you have? Feb 28 16:21:11 anyone seen media player produce seg faults before? Feb 28 16:22:22 sometimes... Feb 28 16:22:50 and the fix was? Feb 28 16:23:28 "next song, please"? Feb 28 16:23:31 =-p Feb 28 16:23:39 have you ever tried the MPlayer port? Feb 28 16:23:39 heh Feb 28 16:24:03 well im not exactly asking for myself, so... Feb 28 16:27:32 neostrider, the latest build of OS2006 Feb 28 16:27:44 I tried OS2007, which was a true pain and sucked really hard Feb 28 16:27:51 (Hacker edition of course) Feb 28 16:28:03 perfect. wanna try my games? Feb 28 16:28:23 and OS2008HE, which I loved but abandonned because of: I couldn't install apps and I couldn't connect USB to my computer with it Feb 28 16:28:24 ok Feb 28 16:28:28 tell me Feb 28 16:28:33 which games Feb 28 16:28:41 when KDE is installed if you don't mind... Feb 28 16:28:49 Can't try them right now Feb 28 16:28:56 sure.. I must make a special package for you first Feb 28 16:29:16 special rootkit, ehm, games, package! Feb 28 16:29:36 there is Arkanoid? I love arkanoid. Give me arkanoid! (lol) Feb 28 16:29:38 BULLE: special vir..games! Feb 28 16:29:43 turn your NIT into a Zombie today! Feb 28 16:29:45 neostrider: =D Feb 28 16:29:58 arkanoid was fu Feb 28 16:30:01 binky: heh, not such a bad call Feb 28 16:30:12 hum...no arkanoid..but I didnt know there was such a demand for it Feb 28 16:30:18 I may create one then Feb 28 16:30:27 lol Feb 28 16:31:12 my favourite games ever are Worms Armageddon or World Party, Age Of Empires II (I like III, but not the first one), Pang, Tetris and Arkanoid. Feb 28 16:34:08 I created a armagetron-like game (my first maemo game) Feb 28 16:34:11 binky have u tried boxar? :) Feb 28 16:34:13 a Driller like game Feb 28 16:34:20 and now Im working on a first person shooter Feb 28 16:34:37 jagernot, Never, what's about? Feb 28 16:34:44 gotta go now Feb 28 16:34:46 lunch time. Feb 28 16:34:49 http://www.poojyum.com/boxar Feb 28 16:35:07 Let's see... Feb 28 16:37:07 COOLEST THING EVER FOR TABLETS! Feb 28 16:37:17 THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH! Feb 28 16:37:20 thank you binky..im the author :D Feb 28 16:37:41 The only thing that I don't like... there is a bit of dealy... Feb 28 16:37:51 But I hope I can leave with that. Feb 28 16:38:06 delay? xplain? Feb 28 16:38:20 So, can you change the song or it's always the cheap toy organ sound? (I like it, but i'll get tired of it) Feb 28 16:38:33 u can change scales Feb 28 16:38:41 also do rhythms Feb 28 16:39:15 and play with the speed of the rhythms etc..turn on sway to get a better sound Feb 28 16:39:36 Runs smooth in 770? Works in OS2006? Feb 28 16:39:50 ur running on 770? Feb 28 16:40:01 I only have a 770 Feb 28 16:40:06 i know it runs on n810, 800 Feb 28 16:40:24 I like it a LOT. Even more than Pyano, It's the only thing I can create something with in the tablet. Feb 28 16:40:41 I'll give it a try as soon as I can and tell you if it works and what doesn't. Feb 28 16:40:42 cool Feb 28 16:41:05 The box are the notes or are semitones? Feb 28 16:41:07 I mean Feb 28 16:41:17 in an horizontal row they go Feb 28 16:41:23 C, D, E, F... Feb 28 16:41:24 or Feb 28 16:41:32 * Jaffa needs a larger tablet to show Mrs Jaffa romantic getaway ideas. Feb 28 16:41:34 C, C#, D, D#, E, E#, F, F#... Feb 28 16:44:11 jagernot, liqbase fakes multitouch? If liqbase isn't available for OS2006, boxar won't work, true? Feb 28 16:44:27 it doesnt use liqbase Feb 28 16:44:31 it uses gtk Feb 28 16:45:00 a row is one octave Feb 28 16:45:10 usually 6 rows Feb 28 16:45:12 6 octaves Feb 28 16:45:14 C to C Feb 28 16:45:16 each row Feb 28 16:45:25 notes are dependent on the scale Feb 28 16:45:54 blues is C Eb F F# G Bb C Feb 28 16:46:24 so now matter how u play u will sound in tune Feb 28 16:46:35 bcos it only uses a subset Feb 28 16:46:56 of course if u want to do something serious u will want all the notes maybe Feb 28 16:47:48 Jaffa: Get an LCD TV =) Feb 28 16:48:04 RST38h: Hmm, got one. Not a bad idea. Feb 28 16:48:20 jagernot, I will Feb 28 16:48:22 lol Feb 28 16:48:33 (this is the point where we hope the next tablet has vga out) Feb 28 16:48:56 I was surprised to see 4 consecutives boxes played Smoke On The Water Feb 28 16:48:56 Or that TechCrunch tablet comes out of vapourware into reality. Feb 28 16:49:04 Obama's proposed 2010 budget goes where no Bush has gone before by including significant spending for scientific agencies, including NASA, the EPA, and Department of Energy Feb 28 16:49:26 Jaffa: At one point, I built a little cheap PC and placed it under the LCD TV Feb 28 16:49:46 jagernot, F#, A, B... F# A C B... Feb 28 16:49:58 * Jaffa has a nice new media PC under there. Don't like it for web browsing, but for watching HD content it's pretty good :) Feb 28 16:50:02 Jaffa: makes the above task (and many others, like showing photos to guests) easy Feb 28 16:50:48 what is that binky? Feb 28 16:50:59 blues in key of F#? Feb 28 16:51:06 Anyone know what the "defacto" kernel source location for 770 is? Feb 28 16:51:07 jagernot, actually, Smoke On The Water- Feb 28 16:51:34 qwerty12, I'd tell you, but my KDE keeps untaring after 2 hours and openiing a tab freezes the tablet... Feb 28 16:52:09 jagernot, there is used the system of notation that goes "Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Si"? Feb 28 16:52:12 oh cool. disco_stu played smoke on water first Feb 28 16:52:15 andre__: um, isn't ham open source? :) Feb 28 16:52:15 KDE never worked well on my N800 either, watchdog would reboot it when I was using Konqueror Feb 28 16:52:26 on boxar ie see his vid on youtube Feb 28 16:52:49 binky, never liked that notation though ... Feb 28 16:53:12 qwerty12, my illusions on KDE are completely gone now ... lol Feb 28 16:53:24 jagernot, In spain, people learn that notation the first Feb 28 16:53:34 Hehe, I felt the same when I tried it. More so because the installation was long as shit :P Feb 28 16:53:37 timeless, then don't use an ancient version ;-) Feb 28 16:53:38 wtc Feb 28 16:53:48 andre__: eh? Feb 28 16:53:51 oh Feb 28 16:53:55 andre__, try loading https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo//projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/src/main.cc? Feb 28 16:54:00 then click 'maemo' Feb 28 16:54:06 I studied saxophone and musical language 5 years and I actually have learned more piano and bass guitar than sax. Feb 28 16:54:17 qwerty12, how long was yours? Feb 28 16:54:27 about ~2 hours Feb 28 16:54:44 Uh, then is going to finish soon. Feb 28 16:55:04 timeless, 404 Not Found Feb 28 16:55:08 ./usr/local/kde/share/sounds/KDE_Logout:2.ogg Feb 28 16:55:18 that is what it's extraction Feb 28 16:55:18 timeless, it's in git now http://gitorious.org/projects/hildon-application-manager (although rejected...) Feb 28 16:55:25 rejected ? Feb 28 16:55:27 extracting* Feb 28 16:55:31 only because of the two slashes Feb 28 16:55:47 Stskeeps,ping Feb 28 16:55:48 Will finish soon, true? TRUE? Feb 28 16:56:12 andre__: anyway, https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/src/main.cc?root=maemo&view=markup Feb 28 16:56:20 is just as broken as the version i referenced Feb 28 16:56:20 /usr/local/info! Go, 770! Go! Feb 28 16:56:43 yupp Feb 28 16:56:51 but since it's open source, you're free to figure out that it's broken in latest Feb 28 16:57:53 and i'm also free to not care :) Feb 28 16:58:06 * slonopotamus_ will convince timeless one day to use gentoo and forget about maemo patched nightmare :) Feb 28 16:58:19 slonopotamus: i'm perfectly happy w/ windows Feb 28 16:58:31 so how do I get an icon for my app to appear in Application manager? Feb 28 16:58:42 when my vendor messes up, i call it, and they deal w/ my problem Feb 28 16:58:44 timeless: me too - it's windy without them :_ Feb 28 16:59:19 timeless, bullshit. FIF - that's what vendor says. Feb 28 16:59:22 lbt, google Maemo-Icon-26 Feb 28 16:59:36 fif? Feb 28 16:59:48 Fixed In Fremantle Feb 28 17:00:06 qwerty12: ta Feb 28 17:00:11 slono: There is also Will be Fixed in Harmattan Feb 28 17:00:12 = never officially fixed for my device Feb 28 17:01:26 slono: as i said, i'm perfectly happy w/ windows :) Feb 28 17:01:50 timeless, on tablet? Feb 28 17:02:23 slono: vmware demo'd windows something on the n800 :) Feb 28 17:02:39 timeless, windows ce Feb 28 17:02:45 but actually, the w31 ui has always been a reasonable touch ui Feb 28 17:02:50 (or os/2) Feb 28 17:03:01 timeless, you're happy with windows ce? :) Feb 28 17:03:02 big enough icons and safe tapping behaviors :) Feb 28 17:03:11 i'm very happy not using it ;-) Feb 28 17:03:29 i'd be happier not using symbian too :^) Feb 28 17:03:53 so what is gitorious, and why does google say it doesn't exist? Feb 28 17:03:54 :) Feb 28 17:04:03 -- and don't tell me to google it Feb 28 17:04:13 does anybody know what vkb is used in deblet? Feb 28 17:05:26 timeless, git repository where open source projects can host them selves on. repo.or.cz is a similar thing Feb 28 17:05:42 so, i take it that this one is dead Feb 28 17:05:47 which is why people gave me a link to it Feb 28 17:06:27 Seems like the whole of it is down Feb 28 17:06:54 the weekend of down Feb 28 17:06:54 I used it a while back to grab the last version of the release_diablo branch Feb 28 17:07:21 is maemo's net mgmt code open? i want to code out the radius cert expire check. Feb 28 17:07:29 no. Feb 28 17:07:33 hmm Feb 28 17:07:47 fauxmight, christendoc? Feb 28 17:07:48 fauxmight: if you prepare a fairly detailed question, someone could check during a work day Feb 28 17:08:13 slonopotamus: this was one of my original gentoo 810 reasons. and yes. Feb 28 17:08:49 fauxmight, good... err... 20-11=9. good morning? :) Feb 28 17:09:01 timeless: work day?? we're FOSS volunteers :) Feb 28 17:09:34 slonopotamus: you got it. and good evening to you, sir :) Feb 28 17:10:11 fauxmight, i got lxde running ;) talking with gentoo people about official stages :) Feb 28 17:11:20 very nice. i'm a dentist by day, and work's been insane pretty nmuch since the new year. I haven't done any gentoo 810 work in almost two months. Feb 28 17:11:59 you get a bluetooth kb for 800? Feb 28 17:12:14 fauxmight, ah, and almost working wifi. suspect it works, just need to give config file to wpa_supplicant Feb 28 17:12:44 fauxmight, i do everything in chroot. possibly will have vkb next week Feb 28 17:13:22 fauxmight: i'm offering something Feb 28 17:13:25 take it or leave it. Feb 28 17:13:34 hmm gentoo 810, what's that? Feb 28 17:13:48 hehe Feb 28 17:14:04 I'm on 810. if kb works w/ maemo krnl, i've got to try out your stuff soon. the omap krnl was good for 810 kb, but i haven't tried on maemo's kernel. Feb 28 17:14:05 zs, that's different world :) Feb 28 17:14:52 fauxmight, kb works, just need to give config file to X with proper key mappings. Feb 28 17:14:55 timeless: are you with nokia? not sure i understood your offer. thought u were kidding around. Feb 28 17:15:15 i am. and no, i was quite serious Feb 28 17:15:42 but you've wasted enough of my time Feb 28 17:15:47 there's a very good dinner waiting for me Feb 28 17:15:52 lol Feb 28 17:15:59 so i'm going to pack up my wallet, dress up in a suit, and go enjoy it Feb 28 17:16:04 timeless: np sorry about that. Feb 28 17:16:10 timeless, what's up with you? :) Feb 28 17:18:40 * slonopotamus is scared of dentist that hack gentoo in spare time Feb 28 17:19:00 hehe Feb 28 17:19:01 heh heh... Feb 28 17:19:23 each one keeps me sane from the other. Feb 28 17:20:43 fauxmight, anyway. i strongly advice you to give up linux-omap kernel until there's a strong need Feb 28 17:21:28 * qwerty12 has fun on 2.6.21, all the patches I've collected (and some minor, little things of mine): http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/kernel/uber_kernel.diff Feb 28 17:21:46 fauxmight, or mer guys make it work in a good way :) Feb 28 17:22:49 well, if maemo gives me a working kb at console and wpa_supp can play nice with cx3110x Feb 28 17:23:15 fauxmight, there's patches for wpa_supplicant & cx3110x @ cx3110x-devel Feb 28 17:23:20 that's really all of the nice I'm looking for from a kernel Feb 28 17:23:28 fauxmight, why console? you can get X Feb 28 17:23:58 fauxmight, and wpa_supplicant, i just need to test it & write docs Feb 28 17:24:23 qwerty12: played with that about a year ago. signal strength was sad. better now? Feb 28 17:24:36 No idea, icd user here :/ Feb 28 17:24:53 slonopotamus: i need enough console to get e16 compiled :) Feb 28 17:25:18 fauxmight, compile inside chroot from maemo. Feb 28 17:25:32 good point, slonopotamus Feb 28 17:26:03 fauxmight, i did that all work from cross-built system up to bootable with X Feb 28 17:26:14 that way, i mean Feb 28 17:26:30 fauxmight, bbeca Feb 28 17:26:34 aargh Feb 28 17:26:39 my ideal though is bootable stage3, and then go where I wanna go. I'd was trying to build something suitably generic, like that. Feb 28 17:26:47 because console mode hass no use on n800 Feb 28 17:27:18 fauxmight, what do you call 'stage3'? Feb 28 17:28:09 fauxmight, 'system' + everything that is needed to boot? Feb 28 17:28:10 well, stage 3 not actually bootable, but chrootable. Feb 28 17:28:15 yes Feb 28 17:28:17 hi all Feb 28 17:28:43 cx3110x wpa supplicant/networkmanager is trivial Feb 28 17:28:56 fauxmight, take my tbz with 'system' and follow instructions to nake it bootable Feb 28 17:29:04 s/nake/make/ Feb 28 17:29:10 O:-) Feb 28 17:29:14 StsN800: u mean w/ dummy net? Feb 28 17:29:37 slonopotamus meant: fauxmight, take my tbz with 'system' and follow instructions to make it bootable Feb 28 17:29:44 sorry for choppy sentences. i'm remoted into irssi yping on 810 Feb 28 17:29:50 as in adding driver support to cx3110x Feb 28 17:30:08 i'm in a car. Feb 28 17:30:15 u win :) Feb 28 17:30:22 :D Feb 28 17:30:55 StsN800, what vkb you used in deblet? Feb 28 17:31:45 matchbox and at one point HIM Feb 28 17:31:49 qwerty12, rndis? Feb 28 17:31:58 what happens if the compressed filesystem gets ummm full? Feb 28 17:32:11 lcuk, ugliness Feb 28 17:32:14 lcuk, reboot loop often Feb 28 17:32:46 StsN800, yer, usbnet in windows. Some guy claims to have it working via a way of a kernel patch and modifications to scripts. I've done them both, now lets see what happens. Feb 28 17:33:43 qwerty12, i will hug you if it works Feb 28 17:34:05 whats the best way to free up some space Feb 28 17:34:23 StsN800, hehe, if it does work, I can't take the credit anyway... Feb 28 17:34:53 lcuk, delete unused files/software? Feb 28 17:35:41 qwerty12, how long does it take to KDE to boot up? Feb 28 17:35:45 I selected it from the menu Feb 28 17:35:47 yeah, ive got some silly /usr folder thats takin up space - i meant sensible normal things like the pdfs i hear people talking about but i have no clue where they are Feb 28 17:35:55 binky, dunno, it's been a long time since I installed it Feb 28 17:36:14 I got a blank screen 2 seconds, and later a black/grey screen with nothing Feb 28 17:36:44 binky, 770 kde sounds scary Feb 28 17:36:45 the only thing i can do is showing the turn off / flight mode /lock screen panel Feb 28 17:37:09 binky, well... that kde is :) Feb 28 17:37:11 StsN800, It's pretty scary... Feb 28 17:37:19 slonopotamus, LOL!! Feb 28 17:37:28 So... 3 hours install. Feb 28 17:37:30 ... Feb 28 17:37:35 for a black screen. Feb 28 17:37:48 At least I hadn't to pay anything for it. Feb 28 17:37:54 binky, you said it is grey Feb 28 17:38:07 It's deep grey, don't know.. Feb 28 17:38:34 What would show up when you start KDE? Feb 28 17:38:39 binky, kde needs tons of ram. do you have swap enabled? Feb 28 17:38:49 64 MBs, the maximum Feb 28 17:39:18 hi, infobot lol Feb 28 17:39:42 infobot: hello Feb 28 17:40:09 binky, i suspect 128mb isn't enough for running maemo + kde Feb 28 17:40:09 I won't install XFCE for getting the same results... Feb 28 17:40:13 fucking vista: "'ping' is not recognized as an internal or external command, Feb 28 17:40:13 operable program or batch file." Feb 28 17:40:37 slonopotamus, people got it to run in some way... Feb 28 17:41:15 qwerty12, you need to buy'n'download a special Ping Ultimate Edition 2009 for windoes vista for that Feb 28 17:41:29 binky, on 770? not sure Feb 28 17:41:31 hola, b-man Feb 28 17:41:43 :D Feb 28 17:41:46 oh my Feb 28 17:41:47 slonopotamus, lol. Or type the full path manually. I think my $PATH is messed :) Feb 28 17:42:11 slonopotamus, at least that is what people sayl.. Feb 28 17:42:18 qwerty12, that's hacking. you're not allowed to do that Feb 28 17:42:54 qwerty12, only via licensed tools like Ping Ultimate 2009 Feb 28 17:43:15 hehe Feb 28 17:43:23 lemme reboot again and rebuild this kernel again... Feb 28 17:45:11 oops Feb 28 17:45:17 division by zero Feb 28 17:45:50 "The screen goes white then black, then I see KDE starting up." Feb 28 17:45:54 * binky starts to cry. Feb 28 17:46:33 God, I'm such a knobhead. I should have upgraded ndiswrapper sooner... Feb 28 17:46:43 ~ping Feb 28 17:46:45 ~pong Feb 28 17:46:58 ~burn his N800 Feb 28 17:46:59 * infobot pours gasoline all over his N800, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Feb 28 17:47:04 :) Feb 28 17:48:52 ~cry Feb 28 17:48:53 * infobot cries and sobs until she nearly drowns in her own tears. Feb 28 17:49:04 oh my. he is she. Feb 28 17:49:16 ~kill himself Feb 28 17:49:17 * infobot shoots a charged pseudoneutrino gun at himself Feb 28 17:49:19 qwerty12, any luck? Feb 28 17:49:25 StsN800, no :/ Feb 28 17:49:28 request timed out Feb 28 17:49:44 ~die Feb 28 17:49:45 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. Feb 28 17:49:51 dunno if it's because it just didn't work, or if I'm using vista or if I fucked up somewhere Feb 28 17:49:55 ~blow up Feb 28 17:49:56 * infobot blows up Feb 28 17:50:28 infobot: attack qwerty12 Feb 28 17:50:29 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing qwerty12 Feb 28 17:50:32 XD Feb 28 17:50:35 :P Feb 28 17:50:51 qwerty12, maybe ip configuration on tablet Feb 28 17:51:10 ifconfig seemed to be showing legit results Feb 28 17:51:30 maybe it doesn't like vista enforcing ipv6 on each connection Feb 28 17:51:39 infobot, give me all your money Feb 28 17:51:40 * infobot gives all your money to slonopotamus Feb 28 17:52:00 ~shag Feb 28 17:52:01 * infobot strips and bends over.. give it to me baby ;) Feb 28 17:52:15 XP Feb 28 17:52:27 ~suicide Feb 28 17:52:28 * infobot kills herself Juliet style, after seeing slonopotamus commit suicide Feb 28 17:52:39 woops Feb 28 17:52:44 ~nuke everyone Feb 28 17:52:45 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at everyone ... B☢☢M! Feb 28 17:53:01 ~$100 Feb 28 17:53:02 * infobot gives qwerty12 full service! Feb 28 17:53:07 yeah baby Feb 28 17:53:11 lol Feb 28 17:53:21 :D Feb 28 17:53:26 ~$200 Feb 28 17:53:26 ~hump Feb 28 17:53:28 * infobot humps the channel Feb 28 17:53:34 ~$300 Feb 28 17:53:35 somebody said $300 was fine Feb 28 17:53:40 lol Feb 28 17:53:51 ~$1000 Feb 28 17:53:55 ~give qwerty12 ganja Feb 28 17:53:56 * infobot gives ganja to qwerty12 Feb 28 17:53:58 ~100000000 Feb 28 17:54:09 ~$10000000 Feb 28 17:54:39 :P Feb 28 17:55:06 infobot: you suck Feb 28 17:55:07 and very well I might add Feb 28 17:55:20 lol Feb 28 17:55:23 :D Feb 28 17:55:30 ))) Feb 28 17:56:15 ahhahaha Feb 28 17:57:01 ~burn Feb 28 17:58:05 ~strip Feb 28 17:58:08 Secure password and account manager for Palm Pilots.. URL: http://www.zetetic.net/products.html#strip Feb 28 17:58:14 ??????????? Feb 28 17:58:15 ~rape FireFox16 Feb 28 17:58:16 * infobot takes FireFox16 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Feb 28 17:58:24 wtf!?!? Feb 28 17:58:32 ~backshot FireFox16 Feb 28 17:58:33 ~sex :) Feb 28 17:58:35 You have been naughty. Feb 28 17:58:39 ~sex Feb 28 17:58:40 updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ Feb 28 17:58:50 ~give RST38h a blowjob Feb 28 17:58:51 * infobot gives a blowjob to RST38h Feb 28 17:59:00 how convinient Feb 28 17:59:02 ~rape qwerty12 Feb 28 17:59:03 * infobot takes qwerty12 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Feb 28 17:59:09 XD Feb 28 17:59:12 ~shag FireFox16 Feb 28 17:59:13 * infobot gives FireFox16 a good seeing to Feb 28 17:59:15 ~hump FireFox16 Feb 28 17:59:20 ~lash FireFox16 Feb 28 17:59:24 ~hump qwerty12 Feb 28 17:59:31 ~shag qwerty12 Feb 28 17:59:32 * infobot gives qwerty12 a good seeing to Feb 28 17:59:32 * BULLE dumps this conversation and sends it to maemo mailinglist Feb 28 17:59:43 No need, it's already logged :) Feb 28 17:59:48 damn! Feb 28 17:59:50 XD Feb 28 17:59:57 :D Feb 28 18:00:29 so when qwerty12_mum searches google she will know what to do lol Feb 28 18:00:42 lol Feb 28 18:00:47 ~touch BULLE Feb 28 18:00:48 This is Fendor's pleasure only Feb 28 18:01:01 who's Fendor? Feb 28 18:01:09 ~sing I touch myself Feb 28 18:01:14 ~fendor Feb 28 18:01:19 XD Feb 28 18:02:21 infobot: nuke yourself Feb 28 18:02:22 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at yourself ... B☢☢M! Feb 28 18:02:29 :P Feb 28 18:02:36 ~nuke himself Feb 28 18:02:37 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at himself ... B☢☢M! Feb 28 18:02:42 :) Feb 28 18:05:41 infobot: burn himself and everyone around him Feb 28 18:05:42 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself and everyone around him, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Feb 28 18:06:07 ~pussy Feb 28 18:06:08 Read: b_man Feb 28 18:07:16 ~pussy Feb 28 18:07:17 Read: qwerty12_ Feb 28 18:07:35 infobot, you're a pussy Feb 28 18:07:36 I know you are but what am I? Feb 28 18:08:00 infobot, your a pussy Feb 28 18:08:13 ?!?@!? Feb 28 18:08:27 infobot, your a pussy Feb 28 18:09:01 XD Feb 28 18:09:23 * b-man is done Feb 28 18:10:20 where do I get the source for an app built using the autobuilder Feb 28 18:10:36 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/ Feb 28 18:10:57 / Feb 28 18:11:07 cool Feb 28 18:11:27 I wonder if this should be linked from eg http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ Feb 28 18:11:55 I spent ages trying to find it Feb 28 18:12:10 If extras-devel is configured as a deb-src in your sources.list, apt-get source in scratchbox also works Feb 28 18:12:33 true Feb 28 18:12:53 but I think a link is a good idea - binary only downloads is kinda wrong Feb 28 18:14:33 lbt, this is binary-based distr Feb 28 18:14:54 ? Feb 28 18:15:17 But the app catalogue is meant to be viewed from the tablet I guess, I don't think many plan on getting the source from their tablet. as long as the source is there (for free things), I'm happy even if it isn't on the main product page Feb 28 18:17:22 qwerty12, 'source is somewhere' and 'source is easily used to build system from scratch' are completely different things. Feb 28 18:17:53 I aint talking about building a system from scratch. Hell, I'm not even talking about Maemo's source. Feb 28 18:18:05 I think the source should be linked from the 'public page' for an app Feb 28 18:18:45 and "maemo/downloads" seems like the place to go for maemo downloads - source and binary Feb 28 18:18:57 clearly it isn't the main thing Feb 28 18:19:15 and all I suggest is a footnote or entry in 'Links' Feb 28 18:19:39 The problem is that if I go to the garage page (as I did) Feb 28 18:19:42 that isn't updated Feb 28 18:19:58 so https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=628 Feb 28 18:20:05 has 0.7-6 Feb 28 18:20:20 (I meant "that isn't updated *automatically*) Feb 28 18:20:27 lbt, that's a common maemo problem Feb 28 18:21:02 lbt, and it's unlikely to get fixed Feb 28 18:21:07 indeed - so I'm suggesting that the autobuilder built page should link to the source Feb 28 18:21:18 why not? Feb 28 18:21:29 * b-man ports more packages to ubuntu repository Feb 28 18:23:08 * qwerty12 wonders why fanoush uses the 770 mcpu=arm926ej-s when he is building for diablo in scummvm Feb 28 18:27:10 lbt, there isn't such this as 'public page for maemo patched gtk', for example. Feb 28 18:27:34 I'm not asking for one :) Feb 28 18:28:00 lbt, packages do not have public pages by default Feb 28 18:28:02 but where there is one - ie for all the apps in autobuilder... Feb 28 18:28:21 promoted ones do don't they? Feb 28 18:28:46 lbt, really? show me one for libxml, for example Feb 28 18:29:01 extras-devel, for free packages, does have the source but when it comes to promotion, it's up to the user whether to promote the source as well as binary to extras Feb 28 18:29:05 my poor abandoned 770 is whimpering in the bathroom, "plz give me some E!" Feb 28 18:29:28 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/personal-menu/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/enigma/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/aarddict/ Feb 28 18:29:33 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/bluemaemo/ Feb 28 18:29:38 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vagalume/ Feb 28 18:29:45 all "Free & Open Source license" Feb 28 18:29:46 aarddict isn't in extras Feb 28 18:29:47 ;) Feb 28 18:29:51 none have a source linke Feb 28 18:29:57 that's all I'm saying Feb 28 18:30:26 lbt, try filing bugreport Feb 28 18:30:27 it is polite to provide source when you provide a binary Feb 28 18:30:31 I am :) Feb 28 18:30:46 just searching to make sure there is no dupe Feb 28 18:31:54 qwerty12: so where is the aardict source? Feb 28 18:32:18 ask them, not me. They have their own repo. Feb 28 18:32:27 not promoting i386 or source is annoying, because promoter page gets just longer and longer Feb 28 18:32:38 hi Feb 28 18:32:46 hi Feb 28 18:32:54 I thought all OSS apps had to be extras built Feb 28 18:32:55 I'm trying to create a deb package of my application Feb 28 18:33:00 and have some questions Feb 28 18:33:09 igagis1: ask away :) Feb 28 18:33:41 /topic Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Don't ask if you can ask, just ask. Feb 28 18:33:46 my app uses gtkmm, should I indicate dependency on maemo-cplusplus-device-env? Feb 28 18:34:01 no Feb 28 18:34:17 one sec Feb 28 18:34:25 I remember that my app did not run on the device until I installed maemo-cplusplus-device-env Feb 28 18:34:50 but may be there are some other packages which provide the same? Feb 28 18:35:35 oh, hold on I misread 'devel' Feb 28 18:36:06 yes, it is 'device' , not 'devel' :-) Feb 28 18:36:12 this worked for me: http://pastebin.com/d430a3c00 Feb 28 18:37:07 ${shlibs:Depends} Feb 28 18:37:22 what does that mean? Feb 28 18:38:31 that adds depencies automatically Feb 28 18:38:36 dh_shlibdeps will do an ldd of sorts when building the deb and check the binary to check what libs it uses. it will then basically do dpkg -S on the lib to see what package provides the lib and substitute it in your depends Feb 28 18:38:43 automagically figure out package depends using ldd Feb 28 18:39:35 ok, so does that mean that I should build deb on device? Feb 28 18:39:41 no Feb 28 18:39:51 ok Feb 28 18:40:08 aRe you building an open source thing? Feb 28 18:40:24 yes it is under MIT license Feb 28 18:40:37 qwerty: how greedy are the versioning bits for dh_shlibdeps? Feb 28 18:40:52 Igagis1: use autobuilder :) Feb 28 18:40:57 "n America, chicks are protest canaries. You can tell just how authentic a political rally is by the number of attractive women that attend." Feb 28 18:41:07 * RST38h hehes Feb 28 18:41:13 Source? Feb 28 18:41:36 is that an inverse relationship? Feb 28 18:42:00 timelE61i: hmm? Feb 28 18:42:09 timelE61i: are you asking me about sources? just confused Feb 28 18:42:33 That was to rst Feb 28 18:43:03 Qwerty: does it set a pkg min version based on the installed lib deb version? Feb 28 18:43:04 pupnik: Some people say it is Feb 28 18:43:33 timelE61i: yeah, >= (the version installed) Feb 28 18:43:37 One would hope it's based on proportion and not absolute numbers.. Feb 28 18:44:32 igagis1: the reason not to use builder or auto is if you want to support an older version of a dependency Feb 28 18:45:29 Although getting that to work right is rare, so probably not worth considering Feb 28 18:45:41 timelE61i: ok i'll consider using autobuilder... I'm creating the deb for the first time... not very good at it yet... Feb 28 18:46:13 grab a vmdk, either maemo4sdk or mer Feb 28 18:46:16 do it in your scratchbox first Feb 28 18:46:21 And play there Feb 28 18:56:20 does anyone know what qt45 package qmake is in? Feb 28 18:58:10 Firebird, apt-get search qmake? Feb 28 18:58:54 apt-get doesn't have a search function does it? Feb 28 18:59:04 apt-cache search Feb 28 18:59:10 s/apt-get/apt-cache/ Feb 28 18:59:10 slonopotamus meant: Firebird, apt-cache search qmake? Feb 28 18:59:40 hmm, says its in libqt45-dev - Qt 4 development files but its not Feb 28 19:02:54 pkg search -lr qmake ;) Feb 28 19:03:01 (requires a better os) Feb 28 19:03:16 * timelE61i leaves to save battery Feb 28 19:03:17 eh, I found it... its in libqt4-dev but not 45 Feb 28 19:03:23 Firebird: libqt45-dev has /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake which symlinks to /opt/qt45/bin/qmake-qt4 Feb 28 19:03:45 so I need to install qt4 and 45 at the same time? Feb 28 19:03:57 no Feb 28 19:04:33 /opt/qt45/bin/qmake-qt4 doesn't exist Feb 28 19:05:14 /opt/qt45/bin/qmake-qt4 does Feb 28 19:05:15 odd, existed in libqt45-dev_4.5.0~rc1maemo3_armel.deb Feb 28 19:06:26 well, the version I have doesn't have it Feb 28 19:07:56 Firebird, you have it installed? try find /opt -name qmake* Feb 28 19:08:01 will be slow Feb 28 19:08:07 oops Feb 28 19:08:14 'find / -name qmake*' Feb 28 19:09:00 or update? I can't understand why it install anything to /opt Feb 28 19:09:05 I presume it would have been installed by dpkg, so perhaps 'dpkg -S qmake' will be faster Feb 28 19:09:38 qwerty12, agree Feb 28 19:10:44 hmm, nothing, I guess I'll use qt4 for now Feb 28 19:11:05 how does dbuildpackage handle make install? Feb 28 19:11:25 qt45 package is just broken: /usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake -> ../../../bin/qmake-qt4 Feb 28 19:12:01 I guess I did something wrong, dpkg-buildpackage made a deb with 3 empy folders Feb 28 19:14:50 hello Feb 28 19:14:56 ntpdate for n810, anyone? Feb 28 19:15:03 didn't find it yet Feb 28 19:17:50 Firebird: do you have someting like "$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/packagename" in rules? Feb 28 19:19:04 mikkov_, yeah, I forgot to change the install dir Feb 28 19:22:28 http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/ for ntpdate? Feb 28 19:23:26 udovdh, openntp in extras Feb 28 19:24:31 it doesn't have ntpdate? Feb 28 19:24:56 the deb at the url I pasted works, as it appears Feb 28 19:25:15 or maybe use the gps for nptdate-like sync? Feb 28 19:25:28 does the n810 gps give us PPS? Feb 28 19:25:34 >:-) Feb 28 19:26:56 gps-clockd @ http://nitapps.com/ Feb 28 19:31:55 qwerty12_N800, thanks Feb 28 19:53:34 girlfriend playing chess on 770: "i think it's cheating" Feb 28 19:53:41 * Stskeeps ponders if that would be a provable bug report Feb 28 19:54:10 :) Feb 28 19:54:57 * Stskeeps ponders what this qtablet thing is Feb 28 19:56:51 yet another "who the fuck needs clutter", maybe Feb 28 19:58:56 quite interesting though Feb 28 20:02:38 udovdh, did you see about file manager? how would you make it more intuitive? :P Feb 28 20:19:18 Sts: QTablet is not Clutter Feb 28 20:19:35 Sts: QTablet is an attempt to implement Hildon Desktop in QT Feb 28 20:19:50 Pretty raw attempt, judging from the video Feb 28 20:20:07 looks impressive actually, too much panning for my tastes Feb 28 20:21:11 lcuk: it would look impressive if it were finished Feb 28 20:21:29 As it is though, it is just a scrollable canvas with a bunch of little icons Feb 28 20:21:30 at least its not an attempt to make maemo into an iPhone Feb 28 20:21:50 * RST38h does not see what fireun's point is Feb 28 20:22:08 the panning is very androidish Feb 28 20:22:24 its not very intuitive Feb 28 20:22:42 RST38h: its not quite as pointless of an attempt Feb 28 20:23:21 it shows a great many things Feb 28 20:24:07 lcuk: who knows how they intend to use panning at the end... Feb 28 20:27:27 lol . . . Grievances forum. Feb 28 20:27:34 That'll self-implode fast. Feb 28 20:32:38 Stskeeps, its got quite reasonable performance Feb 28 20:42:15 RST38h: yeah, i know, but wondering who needs clutter for modern UI :P Feb 28 20:42:45 clutter is an abstraction, the only thing we cannot do in a 2d ui effectively is rotation Feb 28 20:44:53 2d rotation? Feb 28 20:45:07 yeah i said effectively lol Feb 28 20:45:31 it just makes things much more difficult and fonts look wrong without subpixel rendering and stuff Feb 28 20:45:55 Ew ClearType Feb 28 20:46:05 Makes my eyes bleed and gives me vertigo. Feb 28 20:46:17 then its setup incorrectly for your display :) Feb 28 20:46:33 you should use the cleartype config tool and make it work for your monitor :P Feb 28 20:46:41 but thats a totally different issue Feb 28 20:46:42 Every single Windows machine I've ever used has made my eyes bleed. Feb 28 20:46:52 Something tells me it aint the monitors. Feb 28 20:46:58 thats windows itself, not cleartype :P Feb 28 20:47:25 * GeneralAntilles shrugs. Feb 28 20:47:27 also, cleartype isnt for crt monitors Feb 28 20:47:30 I prefer OS X's font rendering. Feb 28 20:48:45 whats so special? Feb 28 20:48:53 hinting? Feb 28 20:49:16 no, direct question Feb 28 20:49:56 er.. what? Feb 28 20:50:29 It aims to replicate print Feb 28 20:50:48 Not fuck the shit out of every glyph of every font it renders. Feb 28 20:52:15 Really, though, I want high enough PPI displays that it doesn't matter. Feb 28 20:52:16 wasnt aware it was so bad, ive never had a problem reading any computer text :S from spectrums up. Feb 28 20:52:51 on an integer grid the problem will always exist Feb 28 20:53:53 600ppi and it aint no problem anymore. Feb 28 20:54:04 tfts make my eyes go wonky sometimes Feb 28 20:54:12 each eye getting a slightly diff image Feb 28 20:54:23 yeah Feb 28 20:54:28 just barely, but ... Feb 28 20:54:37 * GeneralAntilles can barely see out of his right eye, so it doesn't matter. Feb 28 20:54:41 i heard some folks only buy S-IPS because of that Feb 28 20:54:43 actually gan, it would be a problem Feb 28 20:54:51 not TN panels Feb 28 20:54:56 pupnik, cha-ching! Feb 28 20:55:57 GeneralAntilles, get a pirate patch! Feb 28 20:56:33 lcuk, had one for a while. Feb 28 20:56:42 To try to correct it in elementary school. Feb 28 20:57:23 what cha-ching. did i say something true? Feb 28 20:57:30 pupnik, $$$$ Feb 28 20:57:35 ohhh yeah Feb 28 20:57:48 It'd be nice to be able to afford IPS for all your displays, but. . . . Feb 28 20:57:59 my 22" crt from 2000 still works nice Feb 28 20:58:19 a bit thirsty on the electric tho Feb 28 20:58:38 Hehe Feb 28 20:58:47 Got a 17" SGI Trinitron from 1999. Feb 28 21:00:18 yeah trinitron / diamondtron . nice contrast due to the shadow mask Feb 28 21:00:24 also good red phosphors Feb 28 21:00:41 pupnik, at least you dont need to install a room heater Feb 28 21:01:04 stopped running my pcs. switched to laptops. PC only for 3d games now. Feb 28 21:01:39 pupnik, aperture grille. :P Feb 28 21:07:50 GeneralAntilles: im excited about new 3d drivers from nvidia. Soon we should get LCD projectors that can do 120hz for 60hz shutter glasses. Feb 28 21:08:03 if the mfgrs get off their butts Feb 28 21:08:18 * RST38h does not want 3d stuff Feb 28 21:08:33 absolutely not use for it =( Feb 28 21:08:37 3D is the future. Feb 28 21:08:49 I'm waiting for 3D to really take off in film. Feb 28 21:09:15 it does suck when you get cross-image ghosting (polarization schemes) or flicker (low speed shutterglasses) Feb 28 21:09:39 but supposedly nvidia 120hz shutterglasses work great Feb 28 21:09:46 just need a high bandwidth CRT Feb 28 21:09:53 I want some holograms. Feb 28 21:10:04 too much information to generate realtime Feb 28 21:10:05 Or maybe a neural implant. Feb 28 21:10:31 we wont live to see that Feb 28 21:10:41 fortunately. Feb 28 21:11:03 if governments could outfit us with electronic eyes, theyd blind us all at birth. Feb 28 21:11:39 hows that for a dystopia... Feb 28 21:11:54 any young folks here? Feb 28 21:12:03 government does not need to go that far Feb 28 21:12:16 it gets a chance to blind you during your school years Feb 28 21:12:47 for a proof, find some article with an overview of high school history programs in different countries Feb 28 21:35:02 hey, is there a way to sync gpe without ssh access? Feb 28 21:56:16 * oli made wifi link for 1100 meters with n800 Feb 28 21:57:37 how? Feb 28 21:58:56 oli, parabolic dish pair, or pringles cans? Feb 28 21:59:15 strong right arm? Feb 28 21:59:47 lcuk: ISP panel antenna <-> n800 Feb 28 22:00:47 Carribean here I come... Feb 28 22:02:04 receiving the return signal is the hard bit I imagine Feb 28 22:02:27 in principle its the same problem Feb 28 22:02:46 it worked quite well when I didn't turn wrong way Feb 28 22:05:10 http://i40.tinypic.com/2z8cdau.jpg gmaps can't be wrong : P Feb 28 22:11:51 blah... going to have to put debian on the main server Feb 28 22:11:53 fbsd can't run vmware Feb 28 22:12:01 what a shame Feb 28 22:12:07 hope debian isn't too bad Feb 28 22:14:23 * aquatix rather likes debian Feb 28 22:14:33 but it's a matter of taste i guess Feb 28 22:14:39 * b-man uploads sys-env-base and sys-env-x to ubuntu repo to make installing ubuntu from an installer easyer/faster Feb 28 22:15:17 oli, its no wonder it worked, your country is rendered at a lower dpi than other google earth countries, therefore the bits in your wifi transmission travel further Feb 28 22:15:35 oli: hm, you have composite and google earth? i gather the screen doesn't flicker? Feb 28 22:18:01 aquatix: everything's ok Feb 28 22:18:49 lcuk: i had a clear wlan channel and optic visibility... it had to work, imo Feb 28 22:19:48 oli: what graphical driver do you have? Feb 28 22:21:00 aquatix: i'm not sure i'm using composite ;) Feb 28 22:22:30 nvidia-glx-96 -> 96.43.09-0ubuntu1.1 Feb 28 22:23:50 ah, nvidia Feb 28 22:24:03 * aquatix uses fglrx and intel on another machine Feb 28 22:24:12 those tend to flicker when in composite mode :( Feb 28 22:24:20 at least, with google earth Feb 28 22:24:21 oh well Feb 28 22:25:06 old 4000mx, worth one beer :) Feb 28 22:25:06 I can see some flicker on my GMA950 with compiz enabled when new windows appear, its fugly :< I prefer to disable compiz Feb 28 22:41:07 is anyone here good at ciphering config.log jibberish? Feb 28 22:43:56 I just got that 770 that guy on itt sent me Feb 28 22:44:20 neatojones: config.lo? Feb 28 22:44:23 neatojones: config.log? Feb 28 22:45:03 I'm working on making e17 debs. I can make the debs, but I can't get the keyboard to work Feb 28 22:45:11 (onscreen keyboard) Feb 28 22:45:31 and according to raster (the e17 guy), it's related to a problem somewhere in ecore Feb 28 22:45:51 so, I'm looking at the config.log file for errors. I've found some, but most don't make any sense Feb 28 22:46:02 they aren't giving me useful info (that I can tell) Feb 28 22:47:47 the frustrating thing is that he said he used mer to install it, just like I did and got it working, so he must be doing something slightly different, but the key is what? Feb 28 22:49:44 So this is e17's config.log file? Feb 28 22:49:57 Because "config.log" is fairly generic, y'know ;-) Feb 28 22:52:12 yeah, but I figured one's ability to cipher them would be universal Feb 28 22:52:13 :D Feb 28 22:52:39 No. The format a random app logs in, and the specific useful messages it logs, are entirely specific to it. Feb 28 22:53:13 Unless there's a big message in it saying "THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE FILE ....; PUT A ';' AT THE END OF LINE 24"; but I figure you'd see that yourself. Feb 28 22:53:15 hmm. Maybe so. Feb 28 22:53:32 I know it'd help to have a hand in the code that you are compiling Feb 28 22:53:39 but, some errors can be generic Feb 28 22:53:45 like gcc errors or whatever Feb 28 22:53:59 So this is the config.log generated by running ./configure? Feb 28 22:54:06 (or dpkg-buildpackage?) Feb 28 22:54:08 or "hey, idiot you need to install such and such" Feb 28 22:54:12 yep Feb 28 22:54:34 Look through it, send it to raster - or ask him for his - and do a diff Feb 28 22:54:54 yeah. that's what I'm thinking on doing. But it is LONG. Feb 28 22:55:21 the compile errors don't stop the compile Feb 28 22:55:51 so, I don't even know if they are really a problem. Feb 28 23:03:05 hello, neatojones :) Feb 28 23:03:15 hey b-man Feb 28 23:06:34 i'm switching to an easier install method for ubuntu by adding sys-env-base and sys-env-x to the ubuntu repo - witch basicly are metapackages like nit-env-basic and nit-env-x in deblet :) Feb 28 23:06:48 very nice Feb 28 23:07:13 allow easier setup Feb 28 23:07:21 yup Feb 28 23:07:35 you'll be able to install the base system with only a couple of commands XD Feb 28 23:07:47 that'll be sweet Feb 28 23:07:59 I do a new install about every couple days just to keep testing stuff Feb 28 23:08:11 spend most of the time hacking around in the same old stuff Feb 28 23:08:18 http://platinum.edu.pl/~oli/tablmp3 <- my super mp3-play script, test please :) req. bash, wget, mplayer Feb 28 23:09:30 i'll also be adding sys-env-ubuntu-desktop, sys-env-kubuntu, sys-env-lxde and, sys-env-e17 eventually :) Feb 28 23:09:46 that would be great. Feb 28 23:09:51 I'm still working on the keyboard Feb 28 23:10:00 and I'm a perfectionist...so it's killing me. Feb 28 23:10:30 hey where do you download HE editions of OS2007 and OS2008? Feb 28 23:10:38 The keyboard is supposedly really great. I'll make some debs from what I've built. Feb 28 23:10:48 I have the debian control files already setup. Feb 28 23:11:04 tablets-dev Feb 28 23:11:09 ~flashing Feb 28 23:11:10 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 28 23:12:32 i'm still working on getting a package up that will install most of the x11 configuration files in ubuntu :) Feb 28 23:13:00 e.g. rc.local and xorg.conf Feb 28 23:13:30 before I feel like an idiot 770 only has the one mmc card slot right Feb 28 23:13:47 AndrewFBlack: sorry, don't know. Feb 28 23:14:12 i think it only has one :p Feb 28 23:15:41 * b-man uploads new packages to repo Feb 28 23:16:15 i've also included more stuff from deblet Feb 28 23:17:20 * AndrewFBlack lurks around server watching everything b-man uploads Feb 28 23:17:23 jk Feb 28 23:17:28 lol Feb 28 23:18:03 I guess qole thinks I do because he put an empty txt file named thanks.andrew Feb 28 23:18:38 same with qwerty12 ;) Feb 28 23:19:25 http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/Thanks%20Andrew well atleast he put something in his file lol Feb 28 23:20:59 http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/1epdfviewer.png what's the name of this theme? Feb 28 23:21:01 hehe Feb 28 23:21:23 tritrilliam or something Feb 28 23:21:39 bef0rd: tritanium in extras Feb 28 23:21:57 hey I was close Feb 28 23:22:20 hey qwerty btw Feb 28 23:22:30 (although the fonts are the droid ones in that screenie) Feb 28 23:22:36 hi AndrewFBlack :) Feb 28 23:23:09 bef0rd more screenshots and their other themes at http://synthesize.us/Hildon_themes Feb 28 23:23:21 Thanks! Feb 28 23:23:29 My n810 needs some love heh Feb 28 23:23:51 I can't tell if this 770 has a mushy screen or a screen protector Feb 28 23:24:17 the screen on 770 is mushier feeling than N810 Feb 28 23:24:32 hello StsN800 :) Feb 28 23:24:40 you can tighten up the feel by substituting a shorter 'click' tapping sound Feb 28 23:24:42 :) Feb 28 23:25:23 well I really only got it for testing some stuff on so I wont be using it much Feb 28 23:25:48 did anyone ever find anything with the N810 keyboard status in Mer? Feb 28 23:25:54 in/out... Feb 28 23:26:06 I was just wondering if there is a place I can look to research it. Feb 28 23:26:37 also where is ignore_built_in_keyboards file located? Feb 28 23:44:20 WOOOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I got the onscreen keyboard going!!! Feb 28 23:44:34 good job Feb 28 23:44:51 now to make debs Feb 28 23:44:52 ... Feb 28 23:45:55 neat Feb 28 23:50:12 how do we deal with development. properly i mean. we have people working on all different parts, but each island doesnt know the codebase for the others, so solutions in one area arent relatable to others. this is a direct linux problem as well in a way Feb 28 23:50:38 oh good lord Feb 28 23:50:50 it's over for twitter... they are showing it on the news about how cool it is Feb 28 23:50:58 yeah they do lol Feb 28 23:51:00 * Macer adds twitter to the future lame list Feb 28 23:51:11 like myspace Feb 28 23:51:19 twitter is just irc where everyone is on /ignore by default Feb 28 23:51:24 haha Feb 28 23:51:41 i hate when they show news stories about these sorts of things Feb 28 23:52:08 the thing is, it can work, theres more expected but twitter has it - location freedom and quick simple effects Feb 28 23:52:19 ruin it for everybody :) then they show arrogant white people doing things on their yuppie macbook talking about how cool they are because they use twitter Feb 28 23:52:32 cattle Feb 28 23:52:36 i saw a top 20 porn stars on twitter the other day Feb 28 23:52:55 tera patrick make the cut? :) Feb 28 23:52:57 twitter is for people who think that what they say is more important than what they listen to Feb 28 23:53:07 mind you, i dont wanna know that they just took a crap Feb 28 23:53:11 dunno Feb 28 23:53:14 wasnt reading Feb 28 23:53:17 lbt_: haha Feb 28 23:53:30 lbt_: isn't that what blogging is for? Feb 28 23:53:42 yep Feb 28 23:53:43 don't even get me started on "blogging" i just want to systematically murder people that say it in public Feb 28 23:54:04 or people on tv who say "i'll put it on my blog ha ha ha ha ha" Feb 28 23:54:05 some blogging makes sense - Feb 28 23:54:10 family things Feb 28 23:54:18 * neatojones adds Macer to his list of people to avoid in dark alleys Feb 28 23:54:21 yeah i suppose.. but most of it is like.... UGHHHH Feb 28 23:54:27 SHUTUP!! :) Feb 28 23:54:47 neatojones: just don't say "i'll blog it" and you'll be fine Feb 28 23:54:51 I read a blog once Feb 28 23:55:06 lbt, liqbase is intended to be shared as well. the calendar and quick notes are perfect for this kind of thing Feb 28 23:55:07 * neatojones doesn't blog because he's too lazy. Feb 28 23:55:08 some of them are OK.. like i don't mind review blogs or hardware blogs that have actual information about things Feb 28 23:55:20 some bloggers are good writers - funny Feb 28 23:55:25 but not really general public consumption - just between me and tracy usually, or between me and work ppl Feb 28 23:55:26 but to hear about a penis piercing and how peple want to kill themselves.. etc Feb 28 23:55:42 Macer: what blogs are you looking for!!! Feb 28 23:55:48 don't tell the internet.. tell a shrink Feb 28 23:55:50 * neatojones avoids reading like the plague and doesn't think his life is worth others reading about (as he posts useless information about himself on xchat) Feb 28 23:56:01 i use irc as my blog :D Feb 28 23:56:06 lcuk: as you should! Feb 28 23:56:19 but irc is irc :) a blog is just lame Feb 28 23:56:24 lcuk: yep, I used to blog as a way of making notes Feb 28 23:56:28 it failed Feb 28 23:56:29 i have a general public chan and my liqbase chan Feb 28 23:56:47 well thats the second part of whats being built :) we shall come to that later Feb 28 23:56:57 * bef0rd waits for 'export to svg' feature on liqbase Feb 28 23:57:18 bef0rd, but i did a convert to svg, and frankly i was not impressed with the results Feb 28 23:57:37 http://liqbase.net/liqriver.php Feb 28 23:57:40 that is svg Feb 28 23:57:47 direct from sketches Feb 28 23:58:00 the svgs are awful at being rendered Feb 28 23:58:05 they each take an age Feb 28 23:58:14 and cant be resized in a "cool" manner Feb 28 23:58:21 lcuk, your image posts to ITT nearly crashed my computer this morning. Feb 28 23:58:24 and scrolling with them is crap Feb 28 23:58:32 they look nice for me heh Feb 28 23:58:35 lolololol neatojones i made it a link Feb 28 23:58:59 bef0rd, minimize and reshow the page, thers something wrong with refreshes for svg Feb 28 23:59:09 it flatlined...at 100% Feb 28 23:59:14 when i did that and saw how bad it was i redirected self elsewhere Feb 28 23:59:29 but - its easy to do and ill put it somewhere if you want it Mar 01 00:00:03 haha Mar 01 00:00:27 neatojones, it rebooted my tablet once Mar 01 00:00:31 ugh. i need to start installing debian on this goddamn beast of a computer Mar 01 00:00:32 and crashed the app the other times Mar 01 00:00:37 but taking it down is going to be a pain Mar 01 00:00:40 lcuk, yea, thanks! I think about it more like a way to use those drawings in other applications heh, maybe printing them when needed Mar 01 00:01:55 well bef0rd i *know* pdf has lines (i once wrote a pdf export tool for work), its just me not having enough fingers to catch up with what i want to achieve Mar 01 00:02:19 i need to find some fast socket 940 cpus Mar 01 00:02:33 * lcuk curses the dev direction he took sometimes Mar 01 00:02:37 too bad newegg only has 2.6GHz ones Mar 01 00:02:42 but its been an interesting year Mar 01 00:02:43 i wanted 2.8 if i could find them Mar 01 00:03:26 is bluemaemo a remote control app or a keyboard sim? Mar 01 00:03:52 does mer still have 2 menus? Mar 01 00:04:35 2 menus? Mar 01 00:04:38 for what? Mar 01 00:04:45 i installed it the other night Mar 01 00:04:48 last i tried it Mar 01 00:04:52 i was getting 2 app menus :) Mar 01 00:05:00 was just wondering if that was fixed Mar 01 00:05:12 i only noticed one? Mar 01 00:05:21 hm..well.. i had 2 :) Mar 01 00:05:29 Sts said it was a known problem Mar 01 00:05:54 ask him tomorrow then Mar 01 00:06:07 someone else migth know tho Mar 01 00:06:23 heh.. ok.. i'm off to lie down Mar 01 00:06:27 i couldnt get very far with it though because i couldnt get onto wifi :$ Mar 01 00:06:39 the wifi worked Mar 01 00:07:00 it was very nice to tell you the truth.. but that double menu thing it had going on was going to drive me nuts Mar 01 00:07:04 heh Mar 01 00:07:08 later Mar 01 00:07:08 i use adhoc and needed to put additional settings in Mar 01 00:07:12 gnite Mar 01 00:11:16 the double menu occurs if you try changing the menu settings Mar 01 00:12:13 It annoyed me too, so I just reinstalled Mer and then avoided the menu settings Mar 01 00:15:06 neatojones: do you mind if i add your e17 package to the ubuntu repo? :) Mar 01 00:15:40 yeah. But, I'm actually making real install debs right now. They might be better Mar 01 00:15:55 k Mar 01 00:16:25 that package downloads a script that downloads and builds e17 from svn. I'm making actual e17 packages right now that are prebuilt. Mar 01 00:16:31 the other method takes about 5 hours Mar 01 00:16:38 ...a little less than ideal Mar 01 00:16:47 hehe Mar 01 00:19:00 It'll be a while before they are done. I did an update just prior and it's rebuilding with the latest from svn. Mar 01 00:19:34 your building the whole env? Mar 01 00:19:48 no, hes recoding it from scratch Mar 01 00:20:05 :P Mar 01 00:20:28 no, just the parts that updated Mar 01 00:20:52 hopefully, wont' take that long. But, I figured if I was going to make packages, they ought to be the most uptodate first Mar 01 00:21:55 bye the way. this keyboard IS really neat Mar 01 00:22:11 :) Mar 01 00:23:24 picture or it didn't happen Mar 01 00:26:06 I have screenshot, but I've not had a chance to upload it anywhere. The system is busy building packages. Mar 01 00:26:19 really hard to explain anyway... Mar 01 00:26:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DL4UVm0LRY Mar 01 00:26:59 (not my video, but it sort of explains it. Mar 01 00:27:57 sexy Mar 01 00:28:02 do people like these popout keys Mar 01 00:28:03 but it seems hard to use with fingers Mar 01 00:28:09 i never liked em so didnt do it lol Mar 01 00:28:21 it's actually really easy on here. Mar 01 00:28:28 that's a "terminal" keyboard Mar 01 00:28:32 bef0rd, it does adjacent tap tracking thing Mar 01 00:28:32 oh, that's an openmoko Mar 01 00:28:35 the normal one has much larger letters Mar 01 00:28:39 it has smaller screen I think Mar 01 00:28:43 neatojones: wow 0_o Mar 01 00:28:50 and if you tap on the screen a magnifier pops up Mar 01 00:28:58 that shows you the letter you're pressing Mar 01 00:29:05 that's awsome :D Mar 01 00:29:07 and it has word selection/correction Mar 01 00:29:26 ...it's hard to explain it all. I may have to make a video Mar 01 00:29:43 it does some amazing things. Mar 01 00:29:52 uses gestures too Mar 01 00:29:59 slide down the keyboard for enter Mar 01 00:30:06 slide left is backspace...etc Mar 01 00:31:25 does it use mesa? Mar 01 00:31:31 I'll get the debs out as soon as possible. You'll see it's pretty sweet. Mar 01 00:31:32 nope Mar 01 00:31:35 it looks like edje Mar 01 00:31:37 etk Mar 01 00:31:41 it is. Mar 01 00:31:48 etk? Mar 01 00:31:49 it's e17 Mar 01 00:31:57 enlightenment Mar 01 00:31:58 oh :) Mar 01 00:32:02 illume is a module for it. Mar 01 00:32:14 raster claims his loaded with 12MB of RAM/swap total Mar 01 00:32:38 using Illume Mar 01 00:32:54 nice :) Mar 01 00:34:58 but, in order to get the keyboard on N810, you have to tell it to ignore all hardware keyboards. (works fine on N800). So, I need to figure out a better way to do this). Mar 01 00:35:59 hmm Mar 01 01:19:50 neatojones: http://slexy.org/view/s2Wk91EcgP as the normal user would work Mar 01 01:37:05 wtf Mar 01 01:37:08 google has no results for "centipede geyser" :( Mar 01 01:37:14 ... fixed Mar 01 01:54:47 thanks qwerty12_N800 Mar 01 02:00:12 I'll put that script with the E17 instructions when I get finished with the packages or eventually make it part of a package. (I was just going to have people make do it on their own.) Mar 01 02:01:45 Cool, glad it helped. :) Mar 01 02:08:54 hello everybody Mar 01 02:19:14 Hi Mar 01 02:56:54 hi, is there a safe way to try android in a n800? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 01 02:59:57 2009