**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 03 02:59:56 2009 Mar 03 03:00:07 is ghostscript available for os2008? I've used my digital camera to copy a chapter from a book I'm reading. I've cropped the images so they are easy enough to read, I'm using Evince to read them. I installed graphicmagic to use montage to combine the images but gm complains about there being no gs, and so I'm at a lack for easily moving from page to page, qiv and mirage are fine but as far as I can tell one can't tell them to sho Mar 03 03:03:36 disco_stu: its not working, the php Mar 03 03:04:03 zakkm: i'll search another Mar 03 03:04:21 i did php5-cli Mar 03 03:04:25 i assumed that would be all Mar 03 03:04:46 excuse me one can easily fit to width in mirage, it's just that scrolling by dragging a piece of a picture is nearly impossible in mirage Mar 03 03:05:32 yigal: i dont even know what mirage is Mar 03 03:05:42 its a image viewer. Mar 03 03:09:19 are there any cli tools other than graphicmagic on n8x0 that can poduce an ordered montage from a set of pictures? Mar 03 03:12:20 zakkm: i'll head to bed.. i think i cannot help you with php Mar 03 03:12:35 :( thanks Mar 03 03:12:54 zakkm: maybe the dynos here Mar 03 03:13:02 :D Mar 03 03:13:04 goodnightt Mar 03 03:13:50 night Mar 03 03:14:45 see you boys Mar 03 03:16:17 well nothing at all about ghostscript on http://www.gronmayer.com/ but from itt searches i see it did exist at some point. Mar 03 03:17:58 so no one here has used gs on their it or even knows about what happened to it? Mar 03 03:18:20 sucky for me Mar 03 03:21:01 i guess a deb-untu chroot could ameleorate my condition Mar 03 03:21:42 imagemagick + gs easily + throw in texlive Mar 03 03:21:55 ok, ty self Mar 03 03:24:22 no chatting, I c Mar 03 03:24:28 yigal: does evince work for you? Mar 03 03:24:37 yes Mar 03 03:24:53 ah nm, i see Mar 03 03:25:01 it doesnt for u? Mar 03 03:25:15 i didnt understand what you wanted ghostscript for Mar 03 03:25:45 yes to make a montage of pictures Mar 03 03:25:49 i wish postscript had not gotten bloated past where it was in 1992 Mar 03 03:26:27 ya, it was promising Mar 03 03:26:29 back then you could parse postscript with any programming language, fix up things manually Mar 03 03:26:49 just by reading the code Mar 03 03:27:27 i remember trying to code a picture using ps not pretty Mar 03 03:27:33 :) Mar 03 03:27:59 the NeXT drew to screen with postscript Mar 03 03:28:21 wysiwyg Mar 03 03:28:30 wow Mar 03 03:28:55 forget tex almost Mar 03 03:29:34 so how do you want to use gs on IT? Mar 03 03:29:38 i don't understand Mar 03 03:30:21 with graphicmagick and its montage tool Mar 03 03:31:08 glue lots of images together, each being a page in a book i'm reading Mar 03 03:31:41 then use evince to read the single file Mar 03 03:33:49 this is of course a trivial task on a computer using pdftools + convert or what ever tools one uses but seemingly not on the n8x0 Mar 03 03:34:42 pupnik: make sense? Mar 03 03:35:20 ah Mar 03 03:35:40 Are the images PS files or what? Mar 03 03:35:46 so you don't want to do the gluing *on* the tablet tself? Mar 03 03:36:53 i want to glue on the tablet, but can't find a way Mar 03 03:37:06 benson: jpg Mar 03 03:37:44 You could do imagemagick, or I think netpbm is a bit smaller. Mar 03 03:39:03 benson: is there imagemagick or just graphicmagick, which is what i have but requires gs to create a montage Mar 03 03:39:15 I have imagemagick on my N800. Mar 03 03:40:18 benson: does montage work for you? Mar 03 03:40:32 w/im? Mar 03 03:42:40 Hmm... turns out I _don't_ have imagemagick installed here. Must be another boot image. Mar 03 03:43:13 * benson looks around to find and install imagemagick. Mar 03 03:43:26 ok i'll play, i imagine imagemagick is in devel? Mar 03 03:44:35 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/imagemagick/ Mar 03 03:45:04 cool! Mar 03 03:46:18 although the comment on the top is less than inspiring Mar 03 03:47:05 will liqbase do pdf bookreader yet? Mar 03 03:47:07 * Mousey taps foot Mar 03 03:47:46 i want that, liqbase is sweet Mar 03 03:48:42 this being the comment Mar 03 03:48:43 * Mousey starts riot in street Mar 03 03:48:48 Does this work on Diablo too? I have installed it and got no errors, but when I try to resize and image: mogrify -resize 1280x1024 XXX.jpg I get the following responce: Killed Mar 03 03:48:58 Mousey: lol Mar 03 03:49:31 It's worked for me in Diablo... Mar 03 03:49:31 will install i guess Mar 03 03:49:39 great! Mar 03 04:07:40 imagemagick does not appear to be inallable? Mar 03 04:08:10 Yeah, it' looks like Anidel's repo has disappeared or moved... I've been trying to track it down. Mar 03 04:08:22 ty Mar 03 04:11:27 i wonder if imagemagick was abandoned after graphicmagick was put into the official repos.? Mar 03 04:20:03 a chroot w/ imagemagick + gs will do it, though right now I'm too lazy to do this. Mar 03 04:20:57 Well, I can't find it anywhere, so I just emailed Anidel about it. Mar 03 04:22:36 kind of you Mar 03 04:22:48 It irks me, because imagemagick is one of those things I don't need often, but it's really handy to have when I do need it. Mar 03 04:22:50 I hope it Mar 03 04:22:55 isn't gone. Mar 03 04:43:35 graphicmagick is complaining about not having gs installed but it is actually working, sigh of relief at least for my book reading goal. I guess I might decide to use /dev/null if I make a script to automate the process. Mar 03 05:02:21 benson: use graphicsmagick it's almost or as awesome as imagemagick Mar 03 05:03:30 Hmmphh. It's *not the same*! Mar 03 05:04:07 benson, why not package it up and toss it at the autobuilder? ;) Mar 03 05:04:09 But if I don't hear back (or if I hear back in the negative) from Aniello, I'll probably learn to live with it. Mar 03 05:05:00 I mean, it shouldn't be too challenging to package. Mar 03 05:05:14 There's even a fulltime employee to help you if you get in trouble. :P Mar 03 05:05:31 Probably not. It'd be as good an exercise as any. Mar 03 05:05:57 * benson is too lazy for his own good sometimes. Mar 03 05:07:32 benson: I'm new at the autobuilder...how do I make it build a package that I've uploaded? Mar 03 05:08:00 Don't ask me -- I'm newer than new at the autobuilder. Mar 03 05:08:08 lol Mar 03 05:08:14 you too. Mar 03 05:08:17 Hmm. Mar 03 05:08:36 I just build what I need on-device and mostly don't even package it at all. Mar 03 05:08:40 GeneralAntilles: Is there a how to somewhere on it? Mar 03 05:08:47 yeah. that's what I usually do. Mar 03 05:08:47 !upload-extras Mar 03 05:08:55 ~upload-extras Mar 03 05:09:07 upload-extras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Mar 03 05:09:10 the only operative diff between imagemagick and graphicsmagick is that in the latter one must prefix each command with 'gm ', but a little work with bash aliases would take care of that, or. Mar 03 05:09:57 Well, there's some syntax and semantic differences due to being a fork and changes made since. Mar 03 05:10:32 Mostly I don't want to mess with differences between my desktops and the N8x0s, although I suppose I could go all graphicsmagick on them, too. Mar 03 05:10:44 agreed Mar 03 05:12:30 differences get confusing desktop/tablet when it comes to cli programs Mar 03 05:16:28 hmm great that prompted me to rsync my .vim/vimrc over to the itt I've been meaning to do that for some time, thanks Mar 03 05:16:35 * timelE61i looks for an apt-guru Mar 03 05:18:41 i'm using arch so package management is going to be different for the two devices, owell Mar 03 05:21:59 can anyone here help out with getting usb networking with a n810 and k/ubuntu? Mar 03 05:22:22 Seen http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking ? Mar 03 05:23:33 ah, hadn't seen that, so many sources of info :) I was trying to follow the maemo release handbook, thanks Mar 03 05:27:08 hi avs Mar 03 05:32:51 GeneralAntilles: see I think NetworkManager is interfering with the instructions given, have you done this in ubuntu by chance? Mar 03 05:33:22 OS X here. Mar 03 06:03:04 * neatojones cut his fully functional e17 ubuntu port down to a 32MB memory footprint (RAM + swap). Mar 03 06:52:17 found Jaffa's theme song - Fila_Brazilia-B2-06-Jaffa's_Elevator Mar 03 06:58:16 * Stskeeps is bloody tired Mar 03 07:10:29 anybody here use fbsd? Mar 03 07:13:51 Macer: i've used, but i'ts long ago ( in a galaxy far away...) Mar 03 07:13:59 hm Mar 03 07:14:10 was wondering if you knew the command to change the reserve on a partition Mar 03 07:14:18 well.. on a fs actually i'd guess Mar 03 07:14:35 i formatted it ufs and i'm missing 300G :) i figured it was just a reserve thing like linux does Mar 03 07:14:46 just didnt' think about it before and want to mod it to get rid of the reserve Mar 03 07:14:54 fdisk? Mar 03 07:15:05 macer: why not use zfs? Mar 03 07:15:12 reserves are much easier there :) Mar 03 07:15:34 rpool reservation none default Mar 03 07:16:14 too late now ;) Mar 03 07:16:27 and if you knew how i had to do this in esxi you might vommit Mar 03 07:16:31 how much data do you really have? Mar 03 07:16:45 enough to not want to copy it again Mar 03 07:16:57 heh Mar 03 07:17:16 i had to make 5 1TB vdisks and software raid it in a vm to get all the space in the fbsd "nas" vm i'm making on my esxi box Mar 03 07:17:19 i've just about finished staging a replacement computer Mar 03 07:17:33 /dev/stripe/storage 4.8T 2.6G 4.5T 0% /mnt/storage Mar 03 07:17:44 i want to get the full 4.8 but don't know how to mod the fs to do it... i'll keep looking Mar 03 07:17:56 tunefs Mar 03 07:18:03 http://www.manpages.info/freebsd/tunefs.8.html Mar 03 07:18:07 wel... :) Mar 03 07:18:19 didn't know it was like linux Mar 03 07:18:31 i was looking around now just didn't know what fbsd used Mar 03 07:18:31 tunefs -m 0 /mnt/foo Mar 03 07:19:55 tunefs: /dev/stripe/storage: failed to write superblock Mar 03 07:19:59 well.. that can't be good Mar 03 07:20:00 :) Mar 03 07:20:45 It think the tunefs is applied straight to mount-point? Mar 03 07:20:46 have to umount it Mar 03 07:21:02 hm... it can wait until later Mar 03 07:21:09 i'm half way copying 200G to it and don't want to stop Mar 03 07:21:14 It might hurt your performance. Mar 03 07:21:57 why? Mar 03 07:22:33 On the manpage it says "Settings of 5% and less force space optimization to always be used which will greatly increase the overhead for file writes. Mar 03 07:22:38 i don't think it's the mount point i think it's the dev while it is unmounted Mar 03 07:23:02 hm... then i'll lower it to 5 instead of 8 Mar 03 07:23:06 i think it defaults at 8 Mar 03 07:23:54 I'd set it to 10! ;) Disk is cheap and life is short. Mar 03 07:24:01 It said 5% and less. 5% would still trigger this, right? Set it to 6 maybe. Mar 03 07:24:24 any percent will trigger it ;) heh depending on what you are moving Mar 03 07:24:42 (Yeah, or 10; when you get that close to capacity, you really need to be ordering the next array anyhow. Mar 03 07:24:44 pyhimys: i'm hoping the raid will make up for the space optimization .. but i suppose i can keep it like this for a while Mar 03 07:24:45 ) Mar 03 07:24:56 benson: true Mar 03 07:25:14 i guess it really isn't that important considering i'm only up to about 10G on it ;) Mar 03 07:25:30 but i do have to move around 1TB back to it which is a pain all on its own.. i'm just thinking future heh Mar 03 07:26:42 "As free space approaches zero, throughput can degrade by up to a factor of three over the performance obtained at a 10% threshold. Mar 03 07:27:05 yeah.. i'm reading it now Mar 03 07:28:43 wtf Mar 03 07:28:45 -s avgfpdir Specify the expected number of files per directory. Mar 03 07:28:52 wow Mar 03 07:45:30 how do i use handwriting recognition on a text input area? Mar 03 07:49:53 morning qwerty12 Mar 03 07:50:00 hi Stskeeps Mar 03 07:50:36 morning guys Mar 03 07:50:51 anyone can help me out? Mar 03 07:51:00 qwerty12: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4176 , heh Mar 03 07:51:25 let's hope the "we already documented this long ago, so why is it suddenly in a closed source header" argument works.. Mar 03 07:51:28 :P Mar 03 07:51:36 hehe, voted :P Mar 03 07:54:11 'giorno Mar 03 07:55:02 * Stskeeps ponders why powerlaunch suddenly stopped working Mar 03 07:55:04 hmmm... Mar 03 07:55:05 Stskeeps, tbh, dbus-names.h doesn't really contain anything new Mar 03 07:55:15 does the n810 have a kswapd etc by default? Mar 03 07:55:22 qwerty12: yeah, i know Mar 03 07:55:26 qwerty12: which is why it's silly Mar 03 07:55:41 udovdh: like all linux kernels? :P Mar 03 07:55:42 Which is why I couldn't really care if it's moved to free :) Mar 03 07:55:57 qwerty12: it's better to have a header if suddenly a API change is needed Mar 03 07:56:04 dunno? this is a smallish system... Mar 03 07:56:08 and it did not yet swap Mar 03 07:56:32 udovdh: there's "virtual memory" configuration in control panel somewhere, and vm.swapiness=1 or something Mar 03 07:57:04 ah, ok. thanks Stskeeps Mar 03 08:00:28 ok i found handwriting Mar 03 08:00:37 but I can't write a j :( Mar 03 08:00:43 train it? :P Mar 03 08:01:27 Stskeeps: ok! I forgot about that :) Mar 03 08:05:03 I can't find the train option Mar 03 08:05:32 it's in settings somewhere :P Mar 03 08:09:31 I'm watching this video: http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/2007/10/nokia-n800-how-to-set-up-and-use.html Mar 03 08:09:35 it shows where it is Mar 03 08:09:41 but it's not there on my device Mar 03 08:09:46 I guess I have a different version Mar 03 08:10:05 that's probably for os2007 Mar 03 08:14:20 anyone know how to find the train option? Mar 03 08:14:35 hwr? Mar 03 08:14:38 wow copying these hard drives Mar 03 08:14:42 this shit is going to take 10 years Mar 03 08:14:55 sisto: Settings menu Mar 03 08:15:08 this is what i get for only having usb drives around Mar 03 08:15:17 wonder what kind of nic a drobo has Mar 03 08:17:01 lardman: oh I think I found it Mar 03 08:17:12 It's called "Add" now Mar 03 08:17:19 under handwriting Mar 03 08:17:29 I clicked on add Mar 03 08:17:33 oh, Fremantle is this? Mar 03 08:17:37 and it allows you to add a gliph Mar 03 08:20:23 * Stskeeps notes to himself that at this moment in time, a simple n8x0 backport of fremantle sdk would have been easier than what Mer is, but not as fun in the long run. Mar 03 08:24:10 Stskeeps: new fun way of poking toothpicks under your toe nails? Mar 03 08:25:19 Myrtti: hehe.. maybe. but i don't personally believe in the direction of maemo, it's not the right world anymore to stand with your own alone platform Mar 03 08:26:14 Stskeeps: the idea behind poking toothpicks under your toe nails is that if you then kick a wall, you forget the constant headache for a while Mar 03 08:26:19 ah :P Mar 03 08:26:59 * GeneralAntilles facepalms @ the comments on Gizmodo re the Touch Book. Mar 03 08:27:17 Too bad TI doesn't offer an OMAP3540. Mar 03 08:29:36 * Stskeeps ponders on the hard-wiredness of finger kb in HIM Mar 03 08:31:04 * GeneralAntilles pokes jeremiah_ for starting a new sprint page early. :P Mar 03 08:32:10 OY! Mar 03 08:32:13 don't poke him Mar 03 08:33:59 Myrtti, would you feel better if I whittled an Official maemo.org Team Sharpened Poking Stick for you? :P Mar 03 08:34:57 GeneralAntilles: which reminds me that I just found my Pink Fluffy Pen of Pokingâ„¢ again Mar 03 08:35:31 * Myrtti pokes GeneralAntilles with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Pokingâ„¢ Mar 03 08:35:31 *SQUEEEAK* Mar 03 08:36:00 RST38h, how's the TI-84+ coming? Mar 03 08:36:04 * GeneralAntilles dodges and hides under the bed. Mar 03 08:36:53 I once stabbed myself with a pen trying to get a stubborn pencap off and now I have a black mark on the end of my index finger. Mar 03 08:40:58 good morning Mar 03 08:57:16 Morning, all Mar 03 08:57:26 morning Jaffa Mar 03 08:57:50 does the n810 have some sort of Mar 03 08:57:54 rc.sysinit script? Mar 03 08:57:56 or rc.local? Mar 03 08:58:16 some sort of, yes Mar 03 08:58:34 what/where is it? Mar 03 08:58:40 /etc/ somewhere Mar 03 08:58:49 hmm :-( Mar 03 08:59:11 * mgedmin is trying to ssh into his n810 and see Mar 03 08:59:58 want to do some stuff there Mar 03 09:00:02 like modprobe ext3 etc Mar 03 09:00:03 ls /etc/rc* /etc/init.d/* would be quicker Mar 03 09:00:08 avahi is acting up again Mar 03 09:00:19 I have a swapfile on the miniSD card Mar 03 09:00:30 and have to load ext3 before I can use it Mar 03 09:00:38 (yes, nice feature module autoloading) Mar 03 09:11:42 jeremiah_: morning! how are things going with Fremantle extra-devel? More people is asking: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268537&postcount=21 Mar 03 09:34:12 does anyone have a good idea as to how a gtk app could notice the screen orientation change? Mar 03 09:34:32 kynde: it can't Mar 03 09:34:42 current resolution? Mar 03 09:34:47 kynde: because tablets have no orientation sensor Mar 03 09:34:55 800x480 or 480x800 Mar 03 09:34:56 Otherwise, just query root window dimensions Mar 03 09:35:04 da Mar 03 09:37:04 right, that's what I'm looking for, but I wouldn't want to go polling around. I can't seem to find a gtk signal that's emitted on a screen orientation change Mar 03 09:37:36 (to be clear, I'm not looking for a sensor, just an indication that the app should relayout the buttons etc) Mar 03 09:38:57 kynde: fremantle has an API for it Mar 03 09:40:59 right, I am about to move to that, it's just the my apps need the feature for Diablo. maybe the gdbscreen size-changed could be the way to go... (oddly enough, the main window size allocations and requests remain horizontal (i.e. width > height) regardless of the orientation) Mar 03 09:44:13 sigh. LyX or raw LaTeX for my masters thesis.. Mar 03 09:47:43 got it. gdkscreen provides size-changed signal which is emitted on orientation change. Mar 03 09:49:22 good morning Mar 03 09:59:17 good morning Mar 03 10:11:00 Stskeeps, you tried the 3D drivers on the Beagle yet? Mar 03 10:11:11 Sts: Raw Latex Mar 03 10:11:13 GeneralAntilles: no, i don't have a powered usb hub so it's no fun Mar 03 10:11:18 RST38h: yeah, i ended up on that too Mar 03 10:11:24 afaik LyX isn't exactly SVN friendly Mar 03 10:11:26 Stskeeps, how they hell can you not have a powered USB hub? Mar 03 10:11:31 I have, like, a dozen. . . . Mar 03 10:11:35 GeneralAntilles: i'm a poor bastard. Mar 03 10:11:37 Should I bring one to the Summit for you? :P Mar 03 10:12:00 I have powered hubs going all the way back to 2000 Mar 03 10:12:18 btw where is johnx? is he ok? Mar 03 10:12:23 RST38h: not sure :/ Mar 03 10:12:24 GeneralAntilles: I never needed any.. ever. Mar 03 10:12:28 ~seen johnx Mar 03 10:12:44 GeneralAntilles: i don't even own a usb hub outside the ones in my computers Mar 03 10:12:59 johnx was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 15h 38m 6s ago, saying: 'wazd, nice find :)'. Mar 03 10:13:10 stskeeps: same here ;) Mar 03 10:13:15 X-Fade, at the moment (not counting hubs) I've got 13 USB devices attached. Mar 03 10:13:25 Stskeeps: My guess is that this is a MAC vs PC thing ;) Mar 03 10:13:31 i'm not sure my screen at home counts as a USB hub Mar 03 10:13:42 GeneralAntilles: My pc has 8 ports or so, more than enough for me. Mar 03 10:13:44 Sts: He may have opened whatever he found =) Mar 03 10:13:48 X-Fade, MAC address? :P Mar 03 10:13:55 Sts: and then pressed the Red Button inside! Mar 03 10:21:04 Hum, the current Fremantle theme looks a lot like Ubuntu MID Mar 03 10:22:09 * Stskeeps is waiting for kontorri's theme maker personally Mar 03 10:22:22 Basically the same top toolbar Mar 03 10:22:23 hildon-theme-devel in non-free is not exactly a nice reason to take it up Mar 03 10:22:33 Which I suspect will look even more similar with the rest of Hildon. Mar 03 10:27:07 lol . . . the Maemo article gets a C from a guy who can't spell. Mar 03 10:28:06 * Myrtti hides Mar 03 10:30:35 I deny all knowledge of everything. Mar 03 10:34:01 General: leaking a rumor to iTT that Fremantle app suite will be taken straight from Ubuntu MID Mar 03 10:34:05 ;) Mar 03 10:34:52 You know, I'm inundated with Windows machines when I don't want to be but can't seem to find just one to use when I need it. Mar 03 10:35:55 RST38h Already did that last November (http://www.linuxuk.org/ubuntu_on_maemo) Mar 03 10:38:41 hrm Mar 03 10:38:51 Jamie: no the idea is to spread rumors that Nokia is gonna do it in their official distro =) Mar 03 10:39:00 :) Mar 03 10:39:08 it is trivial to move MID apps from Ubuntu MID. Mar 03 10:39:26 provided the non-hildon libraries is ported which is more of a clusterfuck.. Mar 03 10:39:37 hmmmm Mar 03 10:39:43 even better idea: Fremantle is going all Moblin2, with RedHat at the bottom Mar 03 10:39:47 I just noticed one little thing about the w.m.o Mar 03 10:39:48 RST38h: oh eww Mar 03 10:39:54 * RST38h cackles evilly Mar 03 10:40:00 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Subpages isn't on in the regular namespace Mar 03 10:40:22 I know that the training material would greatly benefit from it Mar 03 10:40:30 intel would be happy for the major moblin2 user being a omap3 device :P Mar 03 10:41:11 suihk: maybe there is going to be a last minute cpu change! Mar 03 10:41:59 RST38h: funny news article today in danish news.. one of the bigger mobile phone companies says "need for data quotas on mobile broadband" Mar 03 10:42:13 their networks can't handle it :P Mar 03 10:42:32 Sts: which is easily fixable by chargin per megabyte Mar 03 10:42:45 Sts: and setting *reasonable* price Mar 03 10:43:03 which they do often, but they've tried to grab big portions of connectivity market with HSDPA broadband Mar 03 10:43:31 RST38h: reasonable price i agree on .. 1.5 dollars for a mb is horrid Mar 03 10:43:40 Stskeeps: I guess that can be pulled off in Denmark, but people in Finland would throw a hissy fit Mar 03 10:43:40 just another reason to grab more money... Mar 03 10:44:06 because the telco's are coiling up their copper and telling people on the outskirts to get HSDPA modems Mar 03 10:44:22 yeah, true, different circumstances Mar 03 10:44:43 Sts: rur4.25 here Mar 03 10:44:59 Sts: i.e. $.11/MB Mar 03 10:45:15 heh, nokia has their day with the telco companies over skype Mar 03 10:45:18 no surprises Mar 03 10:53:58 * RST38h considers Skype overrated Mar 03 10:53:59 * lardman gives a small curse to 16bit-byte architectures Mar 03 10:54:39 be thankful they let you have even numbes of bits Mar 03 10:54:53 numbers^ Mar 03 10:55:49 yeah, shame the codec writers don't though Mar 03 10:56:31 lardman: hacking DSP again? Mar 03 10:56:55 yeah, putting/porting ssvb's patches to the DSP Mar 03 10:57:06 a2dp stuff Mar 03 10:57:13 Itanic has a variable instruction length btw Mar 03 10:57:30 Variable number of bits that is, if I remember correctly Mar 03 10:57:34 I'm just doing C atm Mar 03 10:58:02 lardman: Right now, how much effort it is to make a2dp work on Diablo? Mar 03 10:58:11 how much effort? Mar 03 10:58:25 install johnx's a2dp scripts and you're off Mar 03 10:58:30 I mean, it is not just installing your codec right? Mar 03 10:59:07 and if you want a better implementation you can install an updated bluez-utils to which I "ported" the latest sbc patches (/me laughs at the word ported, s/ported/copied and pasted) Mar 03 10:59:16 no, no need to use the DSP at all Mar 03 10:59:22 ah Mar 03 10:59:36 so encoding happens on the main cpu now? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 03 11:01:27 2009 Mar 03 11:02:18 take a look on itt, there's a thread about a2dp/stereo headsets, I posted a link to the latest bluez-utils (which is the same version so won't break updates) Mar 03 11:02:18 yes Mar 03 11:02:18 thanks =) Mar 03 11:02:19 np Mar 03 11:02:19 let me know how you get on Mar 03 11:02:19 * RST38h wonders if he should try making a2dp work again Mar 03 11:02:19 how do you mean work again? Mar 03 11:02:19 ah, on your device Mar 03 11:02:19 * lardman is a bit slow, jetlag still Mar 03 11:02:20 johnx's stuff seems to be really hungry on the CPU, right? Mar 03 11:02:20 hi Mar 03 11:02:20 and needs command line too Mar 03 11:02:20 well his stuff is just a couple of scripts to enable it Mar 03 11:02:20 so it's not his fault Mar 03 11:02:20 ok Mar 03 11:02:20 yes, needs command line, but the scripts could be wrapped easily enough Mar 03 11:02:20 a2dp enable|disable are the main things Mar 03 11:02:35 and there's a command which you issue once to tell it what the MAC is - all of the above could be done with dialogs quite simply Mar 03 11:03:01 I never have to type anything now, as soon as I connect the headset it goes to a2dp mode Mar 03 11:03:05 so not too painful :) Mar 03 11:03:13 =) Mar 03 11:03:35 * RST38h checked the tail of the a2dp thread and it looks incredibly messy Mar 03 11:03:48 Kernel patches, hacked bluez utils, command line scripts Mar 03 11:04:06 no kernel patches needed Mar 03 11:04:30 no hacked bluez-utils needed, though I'd install my latest one as it uses less cpu and sounds better, thanks to ssvb Mar 03 11:04:38 hola world) Mar 03 11:04:44 hola Mar 03 11:04:44 ah Mar 03 11:04:44 hi wazd Mar 03 11:04:45 As a2dp is officially supported in Fremanlte, did you look in the the sdk? Mar 03 11:04:54 moo wazd Mar 03 11:05:06 I've only had a quick look, am still using the old SDK so didn't get a chance to install it Mar 03 11:05:33 fwiw, i'm trying to get my xref'r working again Mar 03 11:05:50 I would guess it should work a in the alpha, or they have their work cut out for them.. Mar 03 11:06:02 http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/beagle_gl640.jpg <- that hildon menu is totally not finger-friendly I bet :) Mar 03 11:06:11 X-Fade: I don't have BT on my PC :) Mar 03 11:06:49 will have to get a dongle which doesn't produce kernel errors Mar 03 11:07:13 lardman: Just bought a USB bt dongle for $2 on ebay, just to see if something that cheap actually works ;) Mar 03 11:07:28 :) Mar 03 11:07:31 wazd, no but also its a big heavy carrying a 19" monitor and a box of kit Mar 03 11:07:41 I've not had any need thus far, but will get round to it Mar 03 11:08:15 the finger bar at the bottom should be though (I assume its a scroller for rotating cube?) Mar 03 11:08:24 lardman: btw, business or pleasure trip? Mar 03 11:08:39 X-Fade: they should work just fine Mar 03 11:08:50 X-Fade: business Mar 03 11:08:51 lardman always goes on pleasure trips, he takes a few rashers and a frying pan through customs Mar 03 11:09:09 X-Fade: you can get new bt dongles shipped from china for under 5 bucks.. Mar 03 11:09:19 2.0 Mar 03 11:09:20 glass: Yeah, I guess so. Pretty amazing that one can send that from HK to NL and create that thing for $2 total ;) Mar 03 11:09:25 lcuk: I did take a bag full of frozen bacon to Switzerland once, no decent bacon there Mar 03 11:09:39 glass: 2.0 EDR, the whole 9 yards. Mar 03 11:09:41 lol @ bacon lollies! Mar 03 11:09:49 X-Fade: yeah it's ridiculous, it's cheaper to buy and post stuff from hk to finland too than it's to post anything inside finland.. Mar 03 11:10:05 i hope the fix discussed in itt for the fremantle alpha works. i wanna see all this properly Mar 03 11:10:19 I thought that slightly improved canola2 menu system would be just fine Mar 03 11:10:25 glass: Yep, the postman isn't surprised with me anymore. _and_ you get nice stamps ;) Mar 03 11:10:33 X-Fade: haha :p Mar 03 11:10:49 X-Fade: i don't think dx uses stamps though and they've the place i've bought stuff from Mar 03 11:10:57 not that i care for stamps anyways :p Mar 03 11:11:12 i just hope they would add microcontrollers etc stuff too Mar 03 11:11:20 glass: dx is one of the more expensive ones ;) Mar 03 11:11:40 X-Fade: yea i suppose with it's popularity.. got some links to share?-D Mar 03 11:12:08 X-Fade: i'm looking for electronics hobby suppliers mainly, microcontrollers, usb jtag programmers and shit like that Mar 03 11:14:23 glass: I had a lot of good results on ebay by searching things from HK. But it all depends on the product, some google foo helps too. Mar 03 11:14:36 I want my sed/awk pocket reference :-< Mar 03 11:15:10 X-Fade: yeah i'm mainly looking for straight webstores rather than ebay - i like browsing catalogs for ideas Mar 03 11:16:15 glass: Yeah, you need a digi-key like shop ;) Mar 03 11:16:15 http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/12.jpg <- remove statusbar :) Mar 03 11:16:48 wazd: Striking resemblance ;) Mar 03 11:17:09 X-Fade: well, that's pretty simple layout so nothing offencive :) Mar 03 11:17:15 X-Fade: ye Mar 03 11:17:27 X-Fade: actually i'm looking for places that sell arduino/boarduino stuff too Mar 03 11:17:37 and motor control shields for them and such Mar 03 11:17:39 i'm a lazy mofo Mar 03 11:19:50 wazd, you didn't have a look at internal builds, did you? :P Mar 03 11:19:51 web-bar would still be great :) Mar 03 11:20:05 GeneralAntilles: heh :) Mar 03 11:21:30 GeneralAntilles: You don't need to be a rocket scientist to make row with menu, title and close button :) Mar 03 11:21:57 Sorry, wazd, I think we've all decided that you're a plagiarist. :P ;) Mar 03 11:22:27 GeneralAntilles: not for the first time xD Mar 03 11:23:07 hey, is it normal for apt-get build-dep apt to pull in libx11-6 ? Mar 03 11:23:37 GeneralAntilles: oh, faded backgrounds of menus too :) Mar 03 11:24:42 GeneralAntilles: but mine also has blur shader to make OpenGL acceleration something sensible) Mar 03 11:25:56 Hmm unstable version of quassel :) Mar 03 11:26:04 http://maemo.org/static/e/e5e0335a068e11dead9b9375874c6f156f15_open_homeapplet.png | http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/3.jpg?w=800&h=480 Mar 03 11:28:25 wazd, I say we drop about 200 px on the sides so we can have your Christmas decorations on the actual device. D: Mar 03 11:28:30 s/D:/:D/ Mar 03 11:28:30 GeneralAntilles meant: wazd, I say we drop about 200 px on the sides so we can have your Christmas decorations on the actual device. :D Mar 03 11:29:08 GeneralAntilles: christmas decorations are a part of the UI! Mar 03 11:29:12 GeneralAntilles: :D Mar 03 11:29:28 It needs to change by the holiday, though. Mar 03 11:29:39 and we need a Hello Kitty day. Mar 03 11:30:00 HELLO KITTY DAY! Mar 03 11:30:04 uh-oh. Mar 03 11:30:30 replace all buttons with wazd's balls! Mar 03 11:30:40 his shiney balls at that! Mar 03 11:30:43 on the scale of 4 to 10, how bad is it when I get a sick and perverse joy from looking at the w.m.o's recent changes? Mar 03 11:30:56 just checkin Mar 03 11:31:43 Myrtti, ? World Meteorological Organization (WMO) ? Mar 03 11:31:47 bwahahahah DELETE THEM ALL! Mar 03 11:32:36 lcuk: no, something that actually has something to do with this channel Mar 03 11:32:45 http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/14.jpg <- that's how I wanted hildon menu to look Mar 03 11:32:57 presumably one dep pulled in the rest (possibly as a chain) Mar 03 11:33:28 Myrtti, w.m.o. then? Mar 03 11:33:42 https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Recentchanges Mar 03 11:34:23 lcuk: ^ Mar 03 11:36:07 ahhhh wiki.maemo.org Mar 03 11:36:16 * lcuk installs the lightbulb sdk and runs helloworld! Mar 03 11:37:19 meh, subpages would be so nice to have Mar 03 11:52:57 jeremiah_: X-Fade any news on the fremantle extras-devel? Mar 03 11:53:31 qgil_afk: Repo is there, no autobuilder yet. Mar 03 11:58:33 * Stskeeps reverts to older hildon-input-method as it is rather difficult to get stylus plugins working again Mar 03 11:59:02 I have a wierd question: does anybody knows where to search for monochrome oled screen prices? Mar 03 11:59:45 wazd: your designs has the sidebar gone too btw? can't recall Mar 03 11:59:46 yeek Mar 03 12:00:02 Stskeeps: sure) Mar 03 12:06:24 hm Mar 03 12:06:37 cant ssh to my fs and have no idea why heh Mar 03 12:07:07 maybe some sort of auth i didnt set it up Mar 03 12:07:59 ... internettablettalk don't really go in for timely updates to the front page, do they? Mar 03 12:09:11 ccooke, Reggie's been quite lately. Mar 03 12:09:21 s/quite/quiet/ Mar 03 12:09:21 GeneralAntilles meant: ccooke, Reggie's been quiet lately. Mar 03 12:13:49 oh.. guess my g1 wasnt sending a character correctly Mar 03 12:13:59 that would have sucked =) Mar 03 12:14:40 * b-man leaves for school Mar 03 12:15:25 (What little we've seen of) The new UI looks interesting Mar 03 12:22:09 * Stskeeps reports a bug that is possibly a bug or just a fault 40.. Mar 03 12:24:27 Stskeeps, bugs dont exist Mar 03 12:28:02 X-Fade: Repo is there, also advertised? Mar 03 12:30:41 Morning Mar 03 12:31:35 * AndrewFBlack Hopes talk.maemo.org is ran a little better then itt Mar 03 12:31:58 morning AFB Mar 03 12:34:43 * AndrewFBlack tries to decided what to work on today Mar 03 12:34:53 qgil_afk: No, as you can't upload to it. It is empty. We need an autobuilder first. Mar 03 12:35:25 qgil_afk: I can enable direct upload to the queue for now, so people can upload debs there. Mar 03 12:35:47 qgil_afk: But I'm waiting for a timeline from Ed to see when the builder is up. Mar 03 12:36:15 qgil_afk: Which is something we don't have access to ourselves. Mar 03 12:46:54 hm, intellisync Mar 03 12:50:42 Will there be some kind of VM image of installed SDK for dumbest like me?) Mar 03 12:51:11 there is Mar 03 12:51:26 or are you asking for Fremantle? Mar 03 12:52:25 wazd, presumably once it stabilizes a bit more. Mar 03 12:52:33 Talk to the Maemo vmware guys if you want real details, though. Mar 03 12:52:44 my old vmware image did not have access to opengl Mar 03 12:53:14 RST38h: yep, that alpha release Mar 03 12:57:04 ail Mar 03 12:57:23 Stskeeps: ping? Mar 03 12:57:26 pong Mar 03 12:58:52 Stskeeps: http://i037.radikal.ru/0903/5f/77c737435625.jpg <- what do you think?) Mar 03 12:59:10 RST38h: yes, I know, task switcher is evil :) Mar 03 12:59:40 wazd: how would it look in 16-bit color? Mar 03 13:00:03 (if it isn't already) Mar 03 13:00:25 Yeah, gradients are problematic. Mar 03 13:02:34 Stskeeps: well, looks the same)) Mar 03 13:02:57 Stskeeps: try it yourself) Mar 03 13:05:37 wazd: for some strange reason i think a white background would work Mar 03 13:06:21 wazd: saw neatojones's e17 video? Mar 03 13:07:25 wazd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6aVu_mnz34 Mar 03 13:07:45 Stskeeps: well, they are visible on any background) Mar 03 13:07:58 yeah, but it was more like shininess :P Mar 03 13:08:59 Stskeeps: yep, saw that video. Keyboard is slightly annoyung) Mar 03 13:09:16 hehe Mar 03 13:13:54 wazd: besides that, it's interesting Mar 03 13:14:03 but it might get too much if there's suddenly a huge amount of bubbles Mar 03 13:18:48 the bubbly icons are kinda nice, but i think one of the factors in an icon is its shape Mar 03 13:18:52 sets it apart Mar 03 13:19:24 so if you have a lot of bubbly icons, you will have to look extra hard at the picture for finding the app you want Mar 03 13:20:03 * RST38h does not like bubble icons either Mar 03 13:20:24 no need to turn every icon into an egg Mar 03 13:20:40 heh :) Mar 03 13:20:43 suihkulokki: your name is joey hess in upstart, debian/dh/dh_installxsession btw Mar 03 13:20:58 maybe the bubble icons are nice for some quickstart bar Mar 03 13:24:20 aquatix, yeah, that's the point I was making yesterday. Mar 03 13:24:28 Pretty, but in the end mostly just less usable. Mar 03 13:24:40 I wish Canola hadn't picked a round-icon theme as their default. Mar 03 13:24:56 GeneralAntilles: ah, i missed your discussion on that Mar 03 13:25:09 aquatix, it was only a few lines long. ;) Mar 03 13:25:17 heh :) Mar 03 13:26:06 Round icons are mean to the colorblind and those with generally poor vision. Mar 03 13:26:39 apart from that, people are better in recognising shape than colours and such Mar 03 13:26:49 so it's just easier to have distinctive shapes too Mar 03 13:27:09 * aquatix uses the Graphite theme in Canola2 btw Mar 03 13:27:32 Indeed Mar 03 13:28:18 Jaffa: building upstart with upstart-dev now btw so we can probably get fremantle HAM Mar 03 13:29:10 I can't wait to see what sort of insanity INdT is going to churn out with RX-51 hardware. Mar 03 13:29:33 whatever it is gonna be, it won't use the fullscreen button =) Mar 03 13:30:02 Canola doesn't use the fullscreen button anyway. Mar 03 13:30:16 and won't :) Mar 03 13:30:39 RST38h, hendrick was saying the system responds to fullscreen key Mar 03 13:30:41 Hi Mar 03 13:30:46 hendrik Mar 03 13:30:50 lcuk: He just made it react to F6 Mar 03 13:30:57 I'm about, by the way, if anyone is looking for me in about 28 minutes Mar 03 13:31:02 lcuk: manually Mar 03 13:31:24 yeah, but if its getting rid of the titlebar isnt that doing fullscreen stuff properly.. Mar 03 13:31:44 lcuk: In order to go to full screen mode, you call a function go_to_fullscreen_something() Mar 03 13:31:57 lcuk: So, he reacts to f6 by calling this function Mar 03 13:32:00 fullscreen button does some program have one? Mar 03 13:32:06 * wazd wonders if monochrome oled screen is cheap Mar 03 13:32:16 wazd: why monocrhome oled? Mar 03 13:32:54 button size of fullscreen Mar 03 13:33:26 RST38h: I have a stupid idea of an ol'skool'ish touchscreen phone with large monochrome oled display :D Mar 03 13:33:46 RST38h: Like those on cheap mp3 players but larger Mar 03 13:33:47 wazd: go with old-skool lcd :) Mar 03 13:33:56 wazd: http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=monochrome%20oled&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wf Mar 03 13:33:58 greyscale maybe better? :P Mar 03 13:34:00 old skool red LEDs would be better Mar 03 13:34:05 lcuk: ooh Mar 03 13:34:15 i want a green screen LED screen Mar 03 13:34:15 :P Mar 03 13:34:44 http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11017554/LED_Digital_Watch_Red_70s_retro.jpg Mar 03 13:35:14 i would like to see source of fullscreen button Mar 03 13:35:22 probably in libosso Mar 03 13:35:25 lcuk: yeah, those calculators where nifty too Mar 03 13:35:53 hahlo: i think they meant the hardware fullscreen button on the top of the n810 for example Mar 03 13:35:58 hahlo, it makes the window the same size as its display and hides the window decoration Mar 03 13:36:14 ah ok Mar 03 13:36:24 its nothing special, its only up for discussion because roope said there wasnt gonna be a buytton to make it do it Mar 03 13:36:35 ok Mar 03 13:36:40 then 2 minutes later hendrik said "my app does fullscreen Mar 03 13:38:27 http://www.ewirelessexperts.com/images/T209%20RedL1.jpg something like that but much larger and touchscreen :) Mar 03 13:38:36 for 50 bucks) Mar 03 13:39:03 running Mer :) Mar 03 13:39:14 on a lighter Mar 03 13:39:53 I think this device could be a real punk in mobile world) Mar 03 13:39:54 Who's going to port Mer to a badger first? Mar 03 13:40:41 a badger! are you insane, we haven't finished regression testing on the mouse yet. Mar 03 13:42:17 Ooooh, a snake! Mar 03 13:43:08 apt-get install mushroom Mar 03 13:43:30 "Please turn off all and disconnect the wifi from your snake devices before embarking this aircraft Mar 03 13:43:48 while (true); do echo badger; done Mar 03 13:44:29 you need a lower priority fork to run the "mushroom" thread Mar 03 13:44:35 What is it? A spontaneous toadstool party? Mar 03 13:44:59 lcu7k: harder to type one handed whilst eating an apple Mar 03 13:46:10 cool, i just saw an advert about them apple being the greenest yet, with no dodgy chemicals. though i have to say i wouldnt eat one Mar 03 13:48:14 ail Mar 03 13:55:04 heh, next fremantle release should have RX-91, RX-666, N100, etc, just to confuse people :> Mar 03 13:56:20 N100 already exists, no? Mar 03 13:57:00 http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/05/0501_dream_phones/image/nokia-n100.jpg ;P Mar 03 13:58:02 lol, what is this mock up? real Mar 03 13:58:22 yes, it was found hidden in hildon-desktop ;p Mar 03 13:58:43 qwerty keypad looks lame, only accessable from left hand Mar 03 13:58:52 I wonder when the rumor mill is just going to implode. Mar 03 13:59:25 Oh god, this is where the marketing department implodes: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=268570#post268570 Mar 03 13:59:28 General: If all goes on like this with no products announced - 2-3 years Mar 03 13:59:48 GeneralAntilles: hence my idea of seeding RX-666. Mar 03 13:59:55 'lo Meizirkki Mar 03 13:59:59 thought you died or something :P Mar 03 14:00:05 General: I would be more afraid of what happens when the final RX-51 does not meet everybody's inflated expectations Mar 03 14:00:18 THAT is where real shit will hit the fans Mar 03 14:00:30 Stskeeps, i spent week in Egypt :P Mar 03 14:00:37 Meizirkki: ah, fair enough Mar 03 14:00:43 close enough Mar 03 14:00:44 :P Mar 03 14:01:09 internet-cafe = 6€/h Mar 03 14:01:22 and no wifi to grab? or they didn't allow you to take your tablet Mar 03 14:01:44 my tablet is still being repaired ;( Mar 03 14:01:49 what happened? Mar 03 14:01:52 speculation on what keys the device might have lol Mar 03 14:02:12 tank-man: well if it has a numeric keypad.. then it probably is a phone Mar 03 14:02:19 that's why people are so up in arms over it Mar 03 14:02:43 GeneralAntilles: honestly though, why do we need kernel releases? Mar 03 14:02:50 like, as part of the alpha beta stuff Mar 03 14:02:51 well, the n810 also has a numeric keypad. Mar 03 14:02:58 Stskeeps, pwr and lock button gone insane and i was unable to turn it off. (it automatically started up) Mar 03 14:03:31 it just takes 2 weeks because they had to send it to the factory or something Mar 03 14:03:32 roope: yeah, but not one where it looks a bit like the click-three-times-to-get-C :P Mar 03 14:04:06 if rx-51 will have a numeric keypad then it would be a calculatoer Mar 03 14:04:07 * Stskeeps is eagerly awaiting next tablet anyway. Mar 03 14:04:08 umm, how do you draw that conclusion from the text. Mar 03 14:04:55 roope: hmm, fair enough, my statement was unfounded :) Mar 03 14:04:56 Stskeeps, dunno, but it is an open source component and it is part of the platform. Mar 03 14:05:03 and I'm just as glad they're putting it out there. :P Mar 03 14:06:33 http://www.skippari.net/projects/wp-content/uploads/usboledcalgary_4-bit.jpg Mar 03 14:06:47 Here' the screen I was talking bout) Mar 03 14:06:51 ah Mar 03 14:07:01 but larger Mar 03 14:08:52 I don't even need 4 bit, 2 would be enough) Mar 03 14:09:27 wazd: why not mono lcd? Mar 03 14:10:03 RST38h: they're not so stylish :) Mar 03 14:10:47 General: MacMinis got updated if you are interested Mar 03 14:10:58 RST38h, just got a Mini 9. Mar 03 14:11:04 ah Mar 03 14:11:07 Rest of my free cash is waiting on the RX-51 Mar 03 14:11:28 I think the concept of retroesque cheap hackable phone with some basic connectivity is great) Mar 03 14:12:16 wazd: you mean the neo freerunner? Mar 03 14:12:16 :P Mar 03 14:12:27 :) Mar 03 14:12:28 oh, wait, connectivity.. Mar 03 14:12:37 does usb count Mar 03 14:12:38 ? Mar 03 14:12:39 :P Mar 03 14:12:43 well freerunner has got some basic connectivity =) Mar 03 14:12:52 it can make calls! Mar 03 14:12:54 Stskeeps: it's not retroesque) Mar 03 14:12:55 I wonder if they've improved the PCIe bus on the new Mac Pro. Mar 03 14:13:11 got any pcie peripherals? Mar 03 14:13:14 wazd: if you see it in person, .. it is a bit retro Mar 03 14:14:01 RST38h: yes, but can you hear anything through the lag? :P Mar 03 14:14:06 wazd: will this satisfy you? http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/ Mar 03 14:14:15 Sts: But it is open source! Mar 03 14:14:30 RST38h: building qalculate for maemo requires lots of dependencies, that are hard to satisfy. Mar 03 14:14:32 RST38h, the problem before was that there wasn't even enough channels for two 16x slots. Mar 03 14:14:32 RST38h: that's too retro)) Mar 03 14:14:47 RST38h: i stopped believing in the "but it's open source" argument when i saw openssl documentation Mar 03 14:14:56 I wonder who the hell needs mac pro) Mar 03 14:14:57 wazd: Probably made of cheap chinese plastic too, not the obligatory bakelite Mar 03 14:15:25 jeremiah: there were 2-3, no? Mar 03 14:16:49 RST38h: Well, there were actually about four or five. Mar 03 14:17:03 And they were biggies, each of them depending on lots of other packages Mar 03 14:17:04 libqalculate,libreadline,libcln Mar 03 14:17:14 wazd, me. Mar 03 14:17:19 libgnome2, Mar 03 14:17:27 libqalculate-dev Mar 03 14:17:38 libqalculate-dev should not be needed Mar 03 14:17:54 libgnome2 is kinda troubling though Mar 03 14:19:10 jeremiah: Ah, I know what it needs libgnome Mar 03 14:19:33 jeremiah: looks like there is a different package, libqalculate-gtk, which does not depend on gnome Mar 03 14:19:53 libgnome-dev Mar 03 14:20:02 Let me get the full list . . . Mar 03 14:21:13 -dev stuff should not be on the dependency list, really Mar 03 14:21:46 Unmet dependencies: libqaliculate-dev, libcln-dev libgmp3-dev libgnome2-dev scrollkeeper Mar 03 14:21:54 RST38h: Yes it should. Mar 03 14:22:04 All those -dev packages are needed. Mar 03 14:22:38 At least, whoever developed qalculate wants all that functionality. Mar 03 14:22:55 This will make for a very large "simple calculator" :)) Mar 03 14:23:20 isn't there a qalculate-hildon? Mar 03 14:23:46 nm Mar 03 14:23:50 qalculator Mar 03 14:24:00 galculator, too Mar 03 14:25:04 So there already is a small calculator app, I don't feel so bad about not packaging qalculate. Mar 03 14:26:16 jeremiah: When qwerty12 compiled qalculate, I do not think it required all these packages Mar 03 14:27:02 RST38h: Hmm. I should talk to him I suppose then. Mar 03 14:27:09 jeremiah: -dev stuff is developer versions of the libraries (with headers, etc), it should not be necessary for a binary .deb Mar 03 14:27:12 He may have done something differently than I did. Mar 03 14:27:18 jeremiah: looks so Mar 03 14:27:32 RST38h: Okay, if they are not needed I will try building without them. Mar 03 14:27:38 jeremiah: my guess is that you have got the source package which requires all -dev lib packages to build Mar 03 14:27:51 RST38h: Yeah, is there another package? Mar 03 14:27:56 jeremiah: But once it is built, non of the -dev stuff should be required Mar 03 14:28:36 It still requires things like scrollkeeper, which might be huge. Mar 03 14:28:38 jeremiah: the Maemo binary package should only refer to non-dev libs Mar 03 14:29:01 jeremiah: scrollkeeper and gnome2 are new to me, I would talk to qwerty to check Mar 03 14:29:34 RST38h: That's what I'll do. :) Mar 03 14:29:41 Maybe we can work something out. Mar 03 14:30:05 Meanwhile, I'll take a look at scrollkeeper (just in case) and rox-filer Mar 03 14:37:21 jeremiah: An alternative to roxfile is pcmanfm Mar 03 14:37:40 jeremiah: And the real reason is lack of usable file manager Mar 03 14:37:47 http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/03/hobbyist-brings-multitouch-to-the-nokia-5800-doesnt-fix-3g-rec/ Mar 03 14:37:50 cool Mar 03 14:38:17 jeremiah: built-in is very limited, Midnight Commander doesn't quite like Maemo xterm (virt keyboard jumps out) Mar 03 14:38:51 jeremiah: emelfm2 is just plain scary Mar 03 14:39:04 thunar? Mar 03 14:39:43 aquatix: third alternative, except I do not know of anyone compiling it for Maemo Mar 03 14:39:51 isn't there some ubuntu-mid file manager? :P Mar 03 14:39:55 both pcmanfm and roxfiler were compiled before, with problems Mar 03 14:41:33 Stskeeps: i hope they used some existing one Mar 03 14:43:57 thunar drags in xfce deps Mar 03 14:44:02 RST38h: pcmanfm, okay. Mar 03 14:44:06 and pcmanfm is similar to it Mar 03 14:44:39 What about emacs? I am very tempted to try to package that. Mar 03 14:45:00 I don't think it should be too, too hard. Mar 03 14:45:21 emacs has been packaged before Mar 03 14:45:21 Then again, it is written in emacs-lisp, so that could be a pure nightmare Mar 03 14:45:25 isn't it in Extras? Mar 03 14:45:28 RST38h: Aha? Really? Mar 03 14:45:33 let me find it Mar 03 14:45:46 RST38h: I am not sure I looked, but doing a apt-get install emacs returns nothing Mar 03 14:45:52 http://danielsz.freeshell.org/code/mine/emacs-for-maemo/index.shtml Mar 03 14:46:07 RST38h: Awesome RST38h - you rock. Mar 03 14:46:20 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189 Mar 03 14:46:29 I wil try to get that in Extras-devel today, looks like it is in someone's private repo. Mar 03 14:46:40 has to build from the source code though Mar 03 14:47:02 there is also a port of Octave, which is not in Extras either Mar 03 14:47:11 Dunno how useful it is though Mar 03 14:48:13 I think I might try to port emacs21-nox, which should be significantly smaller than emacs Mar 03 14:48:32 Plus it does not use X Windows so you can use it from the terminal. Mar 03 14:48:40 But that is not a high priority. Mar 03 14:48:58 I think that pcmanfm is first in line. Mar 03 14:49:11 emacs ♥ Mar 03 14:49:29 damn I need a emacs sticker Mar 03 14:49:32 BTW, can you have qwerty email me at jeremiah at maemo.org so that we can talk about qalculate? If you see him first that is? Mar 03 14:49:39 Myrtti: Are you an Emacs huggler? Mar 03 14:49:48 Like me? Mar 03 14:49:55 jeremiah_: with pink_bliss.el Mar 03 14:50:04 eh? what is that? Mar 03 14:50:18 I use debian.el, but never heard of pink_bliss.el Mar 03 14:50:29 http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2856684660/ Mar 03 14:50:31 :-P Mar 03 14:50:38 jeremiah: I will try to catch him here tonight Mar 03 14:50:41 http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2903627155/ Mar 03 14:51:28 RST38h: Me too, and thanks for the feedback RST38h Mar 03 14:51:53 Myrtti: Okay, that is just too much pink for me. Mar 03 14:52:07 any scratchbox gurus about? Mar 03 14:52:12 I need help installing slice Mar 03 14:52:20 jeremiah_: NEVAH too much pink :-P Mar 03 14:52:23 http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-en/PinkBliss Mar 03 14:52:55 * RST38h chokes and quickly closes the browser tab Mar 03 14:53:20 yuck! Mar 03 14:53:23 From the comments: "My next challenge is a color theme called Eye Cancer." Mar 03 14:53:25 RST38h: if you'd only know what I've done for maemo with mah pink emacs :-P Mar 03 14:53:41 lol 'Eye Cancer' Mar 03 14:53:53 Burning Death Mar 03 14:53:53 Myrtti: I am now starting to understand the reasons for some design decisions... =) Mar 03 14:54:21 CAN I HAZ BRIGHT PINK EVRYTHING?! Mar 03 14:54:34 * Myrtti looks at her wardrobe and blushes Mar 03 14:54:38 *cough* Mar 03 14:54:41 lulz Mar 03 14:56:30 in reality pink is my way of groping at my last traces of being young :-> Mar 03 14:57:16 wazd, clever - uses multitouch like me (can TOUCH, cannot drag/pinch) Mar 03 15:00:10 lcuk: Does it mean that Maemo will actually send multiple pen-down events without pen-ups? Mar 03 15:01:29 pressure maybe? Mar 03 15:22:29 has anyone built the Newton emulator for maemo? http://code.google.com/p/einstein/wiki/NokiaBuildInstructions Mar 03 15:23:30 Stskeeps, re 4176: "Does this cause some compilation issues or is it just an annoyance?" Mar 03 15:23:34 * andre__ loves being a proxy Mar 03 15:26:44 We just need to plug a Nokia hardline into the back of andre__'s skull and attach him to a keyboard. :P Mar 03 15:27:15 yay Mar 03 15:27:24 "patch me if you can!" :-P Mar 03 15:37:35 I can't believe they gave Jimmy Fallon his own freaking show. Mar 03 15:43:50 * RST38h calls to the Tentacled One to punish that pesky god of internet for causing splits Mar 03 15:44:08 probably some kiddo ddosing Mar 03 15:44:26 RST38h, when i did it i had 2 distinct finger objects available (which had their visible flag to indicate in use) Mar 03 15:45:08 that guy will simply be using the midpoint and a single location, its quite simple with the grid hes got to determine the applicable ranges for even a normal single trigger Mar 03 15:45:42 ie if a user pressed a single finger between the midpoint of his triggers it will more than likely show as being 2 pressed Mar 03 15:55:51 So, maemo5 won't run on the N810, but there is a backporting attempt? Mar 03 15:56:18 yes, Mer Mar 03 15:56:26 or at least parts will be backported Mar 03 15:57:05 * Jucato sniffs.. still no opengl stuff :( Mar 03 16:08:05 well, gives us something to work on then ;) Mar 03 16:08:40 so, does anyone know how I should add a Perl module to scratchbox? Mar 03 16:09:40 find a directory with perl modules and copy? Mar 03 16:09:56 done that, didn't work Mar 03 16:10:06 I had to compile the module too, it's written in C Mar 03 16:10:52 http://www.iac.es/sieinvens/siepedia/pmwiki.php?n=HOWTOs.AddingPerlModules Mar 03 16:12:02 well although the make install didn't work, I did copy it to the correct location and it's found, but it's not possible to run it for some reason Mar 03 16:12:22 not a permissions thing afaict Mar 03 16:12:26 just a general pita Mar 03 16:13:14 prolly needs to be registered Mar 03 16:14:07 hmm, it was found though, then Perl just complained about it Mar 03 16:15:07 Hehe, Apple cut all extended keys off its wired keyboard Mar 03 16:15:15 the result looks like a BT one but with a wire Mar 03 16:15:32 Idiocy Mar 03 16:15:47 Aq keyboard without a dpad is worthless. Mar 03 16:15:55 s/Aq/A/ Mar 03 16:15:55 GAN800 meant: A keyboard without a dpad is worthless. Mar 03 16:15:58 * RST38h guesses the extended part had cancer Mar 03 16:16:28 Well, they have got some measly, original-mac-style dpad Mar 03 16:16:46 wasd Mar 03 16:17:00 andre__: mostly cos it's silly to have something that is essentially public knowledge since 2007 hidden behind a EULA and a token.. Mar 03 16:17:28 Sts: More paperwork keeps legal department asses clean. Mar 03 16:17:53 Stskeeps, but no complilation issues? come on, having compilation issues makes it easier to discuss/convince people ;-)) Mar 03 16:17:56 invent some!!! Mar 03 16:18:16 Ironically, he is right. Mar 03 16:18:26 * mgedmin teaches GAN800 about h/j/k/l Mar 03 16:18:46 wasd is the modern reincarnation ;) Mar 03 16:19:31 andre__: no compilation issues other than the fact that it's stupid to have a DBus interface hidden behind a EULA and a token and the fact if i was some random GPL coder (which i thank god am not), i couldn't make a battery meter cos the DBus interface is closed source technically.. Mar 03 16:19:35 PoS is impossible without a dpad. Mar 03 16:19:57 andre__: it was mostly in response to an encouragement that we should report stuff that ought to be open source :) Mar 03 16:21:09 Stskeeps, yeah, and I do want these reports. it's sometimes just about explaining some people in some buildings the needs of an open source outside world called reality ;-P Mar 03 16:22:37 andre__: the existing examples of proper conduct is for example mce-dev (open source interface to closed source dbus daemon), and others Mar 03 16:23:28 .. but don't spend -too- much time on it, i am just wondering about the rationale regarding some of the things to be closed source :) Mar 03 16:23:32 examples? urls? :) Mar 03 16:24:17 mce-dev is used by libosso, which every single hildon application uses, for example, and mce-dev is seperated from it's closed source component mce Mar 03 16:24:26 dunno if i leak by quoting, but "hald-addon-bme-dev was not supposed to be in Fremantle SDK" :-P Mar 03 16:25:10 oh dear god. Mar 03 16:26:00 i never wrote that ;-)) Mar 03 16:26:18 Damn, sister took my netbook away( Mar 03 16:26:23 * mgedmin too Mar 03 16:27:02 * mgedmin wonders why GeneralAntilles thinks a Point of Sale system needs a dpad Mar 03 16:27:43 can anybody tell me the link to a2dp setup guide for dumb monkeys?) Mar 03 16:28:42 cause reading 300 pages of itt topic is insane) Mar 03 16:30:12 I really would like to know something about the next Maemo device .. it would make me a lot happier. Mar 03 16:30:57 In fact, knowledge of it may be linked to my intrinsic self worth. It's quite awful, I must say. Mar 03 16:31:03 rmt, it would be a dishwasher Mar 03 16:31:13 mgedmin, you ever worked a register? Mar 03 16:31:27 s/worked for/wrote software for/ Mar 03 16:31:44 Not the same thing as working one. Mar 03 16:31:44 but what was the PoS that you meant? Mar 03 16:32:00 the only other PoS acronym I know is "Piece of S**t" Mar 03 16:32:08 Tell me how well entering UPCs/ISBNs works with the row of numbers on the top. Mar 03 16:32:26 oh, you actually meant a point of sale? Mar 03 16:32:38 What else would work with dpad + PoS? Mar 03 16:32:39 then I think you misspelled "numeric keypad" as "dpad" Mar 03 16:32:45 Oh hell Mar 03 16:32:47 dpad is arrow keys Mar 03 16:32:49 * GeneralAntilles is in retard mode. Mar 03 16:32:54 * mgedmin scores! Mar 03 16:33:03 It's that damn dpad discussion on itT. Mar 03 16:33:06 Turned my brain to mud. Mar 03 16:33:10 with accel hardware aren't cursor keys just a case of tilting (H) Mar 03 16:33:32 dpad . . . keypad Mar 03 16:33:38 Well, they're both pads. <_< Mar 03 16:33:52 OSKP Mar 03 16:33:56 numpad... Mar 03 16:34:31 * GeneralAntilles is just going to kill himself. Mar 03 16:34:44 andre__, just respond with "Nokia sucks". Mar 03 16:34:46 andre__: anyway, prior art: mce-dev, osso-systemui-dbus-dev, icd2-osso-ic-dev, libconic, if you want a tendancy of dbus interfaces :) Mar 03 16:35:00 killall -9 GeneralAntilles Mar 03 16:35:52 GeneralAntilles, i don't think they suck. they're just funny sometimes :-P Mar 03 16:36:02 andre__, give it another 6 months. :P Mar 03 16:36:42 * Stskeeps actually mostly cares about the possible hardwired-finger-keyboard in HIM bug Mar 03 16:37:39 i wonder if i can find anyone as insane as to implement a finger keyboard in HIM.. Mar 03 16:38:24 wazd_n800: first post is the only one you need Mar 03 16:38:32 wazd_n800: for a2dp stuff Mar 03 16:38:47 Somebody should move the A2DP instructions to the wiki and make it easy. :P Mar 03 16:38:48 wazd_n800: just install johnx's scripts and follow his instructions in that thread Mar 03 16:38:52 yeah Mar 03 16:39:43 wazd_n800: if you want a better implementation, go to the last page and find the link I posted to an updated version of bluez-utils (in contents not version number) Mar 03 16:39:47 * GeneralAntilles ponders lunch. Mar 03 16:39:52 lardman, thanks Mar 03 16:39:56 np Mar 03 16:40:12 but you still need johnx's scripts no matter what you do Mar 03 16:49:38 hmm, I have sound in mplayer disappeared after the instructions) Mar 03 16:49:58 yeah, it should be output over the headphones now Mar 03 16:50:24 no it's not( Mar 03 16:50:45 I can hear system sounds in poor quality Mar 03 16:51:04 ah, it's in hsp mode then Mar 03 16:51:10 but mplayer is silent and plays video very fast Mar 03 16:51:13 can you see a little headset icon on the status bar? Mar 03 16:51:24 no Mar 03 16:51:42 i have it disabled) Mar 03 16:51:55 what do you mean disabled? Mar 03 16:52:31 headset is a volume applet Mar 03 16:52:56 yes, but it only appears when in hsp mode Mar 03 16:53:00 which you don't want Mar 03 16:53:05 I have advanced backlight Mar 03 16:53:07 try "a2dp enable" in the terminal Mar 03 16:53:55 already done that, 'rock on') Mar 03 16:54:04 good good Mar 03 16:57:11 so where are the system sounds coming from? The headphones or the main speakers? Mar 03 16:58:43 headphones Mar 03 16:59:00 try a plain mp3 Mar 03 17:00:19 hildon-desktop hanged... Mar 03 17:03:07 all seems to be setup correctly Mar 03 17:03:19 so do you get the headphone icon? Mar 03 17:03:26 yes Mar 03 17:03:36 ok, that;s bad Mar 03 17:03:43 try enabling ad2p again Mar 03 17:03:49 s/ad2p/a2dp Mar 03 17:04:42 I'd also be tempted to turn the headphones off (don't issue any more a2dp commands on the n800), then turn them back on and see if they go straight to a2dp mode Mar 03 17:08:30 am off, should be back online a bit later, try to catch me then if you're still having troubles and I'll have my headset handy Mar 03 17:08:33 bye all Mar 03 17:10:42 lolhelp there's a swedenized american trolling in my photos! :-D Mar 03 17:11:02 "... added tags: Moomin, troll" Mar 03 17:11:34 oh wow. That just cracked me up. I must be tired Mar 03 17:12:38 * Myrtti hides from jeremiah_ Mar 03 17:22:29 when i disable a2dp all works just like ordinary HSP, including mplayer Mar 03 17:23:04 when ii enable a2dp mplayer tells me "no sound" Mar 03 17:23:39 any ideas? Mar 03 17:26:39 hey I finally got this n810 set up for pc connectivity, but when I try to sbrsh a graphical application it says "cannot connect to X server" any ideas? my scratchbox executes things perfectly fine via sbrsh, I can execute normal apps on the tablet.. Mar 03 17:26:43 How long does it normally take for a Maemo Extras invite request take to process? Mar 03 17:26:57 t_s_o: hello :) Mar 03 17:27:03 should X11 forwarding be enabled, and if so that should definitely be added to the instructions :) Mar 03 17:27:07 nikosapi Mar 03 17:30:16 does anyone know of any issues with stylesheets on Qt on maemo? Mar 03 17:31:07 forget it - user error - sorry Mar 03 17:31:10 is anyone here successfully running graphical apps from scratchbox on their tablet? Mar 03 17:32:31 I can't even get a relatively simple pygtk app to start in scratchbox Mar 03 17:32:49 mind you, I haven't really tried too hard Mar 03 17:32:50 mbroadst: via Xephyr? Mar 03 17:32:51 heh, the documentation is certainly lacking.. Mar 03 17:32:57 lbt: no actually on the tablet Mar 03 17:33:11 I can get development with Xephyr working just fine Mar 03 17:33:26 you mean develop in scratchbox and deploy? Mar 03 17:33:45 Oh, I see Mar 03 17:33:49 I've been following an almalgam of tutorials on pc connectivity Mar 03 17:34:09 reading backlog - do you mean remote X to tablet? Mar 03 17:34:14 it seems that over usb networking to the tablet I should be able to use sbrsh in scratchbox to execute applications on my host pc's scratchbox on my tablet Mar 03 17:34:29 yeah Mar 03 17:34:37 never tried :) Mar 03 17:34:40 that sounds cool Mar 03 17:34:51 yeah it definitely does sound cool Mar 03 17:34:53 wish it worked Mar 03 17:35:11 it would make it much easier to test out things I've developed rather than having to package it Mar 03 17:35:18 Hmm.. whenever you have an interesting idea, it's a good idea to google first, 'cause somebody probably had it before you. http://hotwire-shell.org/ Mar 03 17:37:43 fwiw I just scp the binary over and run it Mar 03 17:38:31 lbt: I've just resolved to do that.. seems like it still can't find libQt4...so Mar 03 17:38:40 thought I had installed those on the tablet.. Mar 03 17:39:03 even with extras added to the application catalogue it doesn't show up there Mar 03 17:39:10 did you have to install it via command line? Mar 03 17:40:00 I've been doing a lot of Qt stuff recently Mar 03 17:40:12 you need the qt runtime (obviously) Mar 03 17:40:20 lemme see Mar 03 17:40:24 right how did you get that on your tablet Mar 03 17:40:30 I have it in my scratchbox Mar 03 17:40:46 but can't seem to find those packages even when I add the extras package.. Mar 03 17:41:12 apt-get install libqt4-gui Mar 03 17:41:43 yeah, that would work if it was in my list of apps, one sec maybe I forgot to add a source correctly Mar 03 17:41:57 it's in extras AFAIK Mar 03 17:42:04 what release? Diablo? Mar 03 17:42:24 well my scratchbox is definitely diablo Mar 03 17:42:33 it looks like my tablet is chinook though Mar 03 17:42:36 that might be the issue :) Mar 03 17:42:47 rofl Mar 03 17:43:19 what are you writing? Mar 03 17:43:36 I just got one of these for free, I was going to play around with it Mar 03 17:43:36 I just got some gestures working in Qt on the tablet if you're interested... Mar 03 17:43:46 its been a hell of time getting things working on it Mar 03 17:44:12 really? I found the docs pretty good Mar 03 17:44:21 lbt: how is qt performance on tablets btw? Mar 03 17:44:36 Stskeeps: nice - lot better than gtkmm Mar 03 17:44:52 mmm, s/lot better/better/ Mar 03 17:45:21 hmm Mar 03 17:45:32 is there an easy way to just update my n810 to diablo Mar 03 17:45:34 Stskeeps: did you see my video of Shopper? Mar 03 17:45:44 there's probably a tutorial on this... brb Mar 03 17:45:44 lbt: nop, url? Mar 03 17:45:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPQ1VlyMPYU Mar 03 17:46:10 (high quality is worth it) Mar 03 17:46:37 mbroadst: http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page Mar 03 17:47:40 lbt: should I be flashing it? Mar 03 17:48:06 IIRC chinook to Diablo is the last time you need to flash Mar 03 17:48:31 see whats weird though is when I first turned this thing on it had something about "OS2008" on the screen Mar 03 17:48:33 lbt: interesting.. i should build qt-maemo for mer Mar 03 17:48:43 Stskeeps: yep :) Mar 03 17:48:47 but the apt sources list definitely specifies chinook Mar 03 17:48:51 I'd love to help! Mar 03 17:49:05 mbroadst: that could just be an advert Mar 03 17:49:10 lbt: i actually built it already under x86 chroot, so i guess there's hope Mar 03 17:49:18 even if we have to compile it natively and not under scratchbox Mar 03 17:49:20 well -hold off Mar 03 17:49:28 Qt4.5 was released today Mar 03 17:49:34 yeah Mar 03 17:49:53 and Antonio is doing the maemo release RSN Mar 03 17:50:06 and they include the animation framework in there Mar 03 17:50:15 which is nice Mar 03 17:50:23 again, AFAIK Mar 03 17:51:00 lbt: About product says "maemo Linux based OS2008" Mar 03 17:51:02 mbroadst: what's uname -a say on your tablet Mar 03 17:51:14 2.6.21-omap1 Mar 03 17:51:27 mbroadst, "cat /etc/osso_software_version" Mar 03 17:51:27 yeah that's diablo Mar 03 17:51:34 It's also chinook ;) Mar 03 17:51:42 oh - sorry Mar 03 17:51:50 I need to geek up a level Mar 03 17:51:53 RX-34+RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_MR0 Mar 03 17:51:59 chinook Mar 03 17:52:02 right Mar 03 17:52:12 qwerty12: what needs to be done to up this to diablo Mar 03 17:52:17 ~flashing Mar 03 17:52:18 from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 03 17:52:27 ok cool I'm on that page Mar 03 17:52:27 hey qwerty. Mar 03 17:52:33 hi jeremiah_ Mar 03 17:52:37 but should I just get the firmware for OS2008? Mar 03 17:52:39 I was fooling around a bit with qalculate. :) Mar 03 17:52:47 it doesn't really specify chinook or diablo Mar 03 17:53:11 It has some dependencies that need to satified, but RST38h seems to think they don't need to be the -dev versions. Mar 03 17:53:15 mbroadst, n810 or n800? Mar 03 17:53:20 qwerty12: n810 Mar 03 17:53:32 I'm at: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php Mar 03 17:53:35 mbroadst, you want RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 03 17:53:56 jeremiah_, hmm, interesting, it's been a while since I've looked at the build-deps for qalculate :/ Mar 03 17:54:00 * qwerty12 reads the log Mar 03 17:57:24 lbt: i wonder if qt would be more efficient than gtk on 770, hm :P Mar 03 17:58:16 qwerty12: Things like libqalculate-dev, libgnome2-dev Mar 03 17:58:22 A couple of others. Mar 03 17:58:35 I'm not really sure it's Qt vs gtk - one is C, one is C++ Mar 03 17:58:54 I used the C++ version of gtk which is probably not as optimised Mar 03 17:59:06 Well, they both mix a lot of C with C++ code Mar 03 17:59:17 jeremiah_, libqalculate-dev is provided by http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/source/libqalculate_0.9.6-2.dsc Mar 03 17:59:32 libgnome2-dev - don't remember needing that :/ Mar 03 17:59:35 qwerty12: Okay, looks like I should package that first then . . . Mar 03 17:59:38 and the 770 vs 8x0 probably won't matter at all - no HW difference that matters is there Mar 03 18:00:39 but Stskeeps, I reckon Qt will be heavily optimised to work on mobile devices Mar 03 18:00:48 so for Mer's future... Mar 03 18:00:56 mm Mar 03 18:01:13 well, it's where Nokia/Qt are aiming isn't it? :) Mar 03 18:01:16 yeah, it is Mar 03 18:01:34 and they have more focus/resource than gtk Mar 03 18:01:37 qwerty12: One also needs libcln-dev and libgmp3-dev too. Mar 03 18:01:54 qwerty12: A lot of dependencies, which might have a lot of further dependencies. Mar 03 18:01:58 :/ Mar 03 18:02:02 evening konttori__ Mar 03 18:02:04 jeremiah_, I may have used dpkg-buildpackage -d... libgmp3-dev wont compile for diablo Mar 03 18:02:13 hi Mar 03 18:02:15 konttori__: i forgot, your theme maker with fremantle theme support, alpha or beta target? Mar 03 18:02:22 (time wise) Mar 03 18:02:28 jeremiah_, as for cln, it's there in the same place as libcalculate Mar 03 18:02:37 qwerty12: Yeah, I might have to try that and put that in the repos and see what happens. Might break stuff. Mar 03 18:02:40 Stskeeps: well, it should work, but I wanted to get a bit more finesse to it before launch Mar 03 18:02:41 alrighty, sweet thanks guys Mar 03 18:02:48 qwerty12: What about libcln? Mar 03 18:03:04 jeremiah_, cln compiles fine: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/feed/dists/diablo/main/source/cln_1.2.2-2.dsc Mar 03 18:03:05 (I saw cln at people.bath*) Mar 03 18:03:10 I only invested about 5 hours for the conversion and testing of teh fremantle theme and it wasn't enough (most spent in tar issues) Mar 03 18:03:23 Someone should fix tar before I can publish theme maker Mar 03 18:03:46 anyway, I'm today getting the first theme that *should* work on the device (and is created with theme maker) Mar 03 18:04:10 alright, - currently we have a hildon theme in non-free which we cannot use so :P Mar 03 18:04:31 As I am not working on fremantle on any UI component, I really haven't wanted to do anything on theme maker until the theme is stable enough Mar 03 18:04:33 and no -layout packages published (yet), hence my interest in theme maker Mar 03 18:04:34 and now it is Mar 03 18:04:49 Stskeeps: I'll make sure you'll get the layout Mar 03 18:05:20 alright Mar 03 18:05:45 konttori__, btw, you should remove the quotes from your install file in nuvopearl - dh_install doesn't seem to like them being used anywhere :? Mar 03 18:05:47 *:/ Mar 03 18:09:00 qwerty12: I'm fixing that atm Mar 03 18:09:43 konttori__, cool. Always good to see another theme in extras :) Mar 03 18:14:35 why it's not working( Mar 03 18:16:02 lbt: hmm went to application manager, enabled maemo extras and libqt's still not there Mar 03 18:20:16 * konttori__ will also need to drop all the hushhush content from the theme maker before making the release (just realized) Mar 03 18:20:59 Don't worry, we wont mind if you don't Mar 03 18:21:38 what, hushhush content on the new RX-666? :P Mar 03 18:21:49 (tablet world domination lead device, obviously) Mar 03 18:22:19 mplayer log tells me "no sound" - why so? Mar 03 18:27:22 mbroadst: I'm not sure it'll appear in the app mgr - it's not an app :) Mar 03 18:27:36 if you like, install shopper - that'll pull it in Mar 03 18:27:38 yeah doesn't even install with apt-get.. Mar 03 18:27:54 ok well I added extras-devel, maybe its in there Mar 03 18:27:56 if you like, install shopper - that'll pull it in Mar 03 18:27:57 20:27 < mbroadst> yeah doesn't even install with apt-get.. Mar 03 18:28:00 huh Mar 03 18:28:05 :D Mar 03 18:28:07 copy paste accident Mar 03 18:28:48 lbt: yeah there it is, in extras-devel Mar 03 18:29:09 hmm - I thought it was supposed to be in extras... Mar 03 18:29:17 maybe it's still too beta for that... Mar 03 18:29:24 yeah I think so Mar 03 18:29:38 definitely not in the repo for diablo on my system Mar 03 18:29:49 it worked as soon as I apt-get updated with extras-devel added Mar 03 18:35:08 has someone got scratchbox1 working on x64? Mar 03 18:35:20 I've seen success reports on the list Mar 03 18:35:25 there's a vdso hack thing mentioned on planet Mar 03 18:35:28 most people just use a nested chroot to 32bit Mar 03 18:36:10 hmm Mar 03 18:36:14 maemo.org is not cozy Mar 03 18:36:23 I just realized I avoid it when I want to search for information about maemo Mar 03 18:36:27 this is Not Right Mar 03 18:37:18 I've added the repo of the sb1 x64 packages to my apt but there are still packages like the perl-devkit missing to install even the m4.1 sdk... Mar 03 18:37:24 lol Mar 03 18:37:44 so... you're better served w/ native perl anyway Mar 03 18:38:14 all you really want is enough to get your thing bootstrapped :) Mar 03 18:38:23 ok, nnow I dont have hsp icon and system sound goes thru dynamics Mar 03 18:39:03 but mplayer still tells 'no sound' Mar 03 18:39:19 lbt: thanks a lot for your help, got it all workin :) Mar 03 18:39:27 cool Mar 03 18:39:36 * thopiekar wonders why there are so much repos without x64-packages... x64 is even faster than x32.. Mar 03 18:42:00 * thopiekar just installed ubuntu x64 for faster deb rebuilding on sb1, but he hasn't thought about an incompitability... :P Mar 03 18:46:59 thopiekar: how much faster Mar 03 18:47:08 ? Mar 03 18:47:21 numbers pls Mar 03 18:49:15 there are people on the net who say that its around x3 faster.. Mar 03 18:49:30 .. compiling code in x64-systems Mar 03 18:50:01 mgedmin: ^ Mar 03 18:52:05 sounds too good to be true Mar 03 18:52:12 :P Mar 03 18:52:12 10% I would believe Mar 03 18:52:32 note that 64-bit apps generally require more RAM Mar 03 18:52:55 * thopiekar just want to try out, what mgedmin can't believe :P Mar 03 18:53:06 true Mar 03 18:54:18 in the vmware scratchbox i used yonks ago there is a small script which does voodoo magic and opens xepyhr logs into scratchbox and gives me a console. does anyone have the vmware image available with that script so i can put it on my laptop ? :$ Mar 03 18:55:09 solution to accept nokia binaries EULA -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/18/1817221 :) Mar 03 18:55:13 * thopiekar doesn't understand lcuk .. Mar 03 18:55:40 VDVsx: hehe Mar 03 18:55:52 VDVsx: but then you're not legally able to use the rights eula gives.. Mar 03 18:56:01 there's a missing comma between 'xepyhr' [sp] and 'logs' Mar 03 18:56:11 Stskeeps, how knows Mar 03 18:56:13 :) Mar 03 18:56:32 VDVsx: geek solution.. i doubt it would hold up in court :P Mar 03 18:58:02 man, qgraphicsview is sllllow on this guy :) Mar 03 18:59:44 thopiekar, to open the sdk i have to have 2 console windows open (1 inside scratchbox and one outside) and have to switch and paste different commands into each Mar 03 19:00:13 on the maemovmware image i had early last year there was a single icon on its desktop which ran a script to do all this in one go.. Mar 03 19:02:42 mbroadst, on which guy Mar 03 19:02:58 n810 Mar 03 19:03:07 ahh Mar 03 19:03:15 thought you were looking in the sdk Mar 03 19:04:00 wazd_n800, http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/03/173255 Mar 03 19:04:10 wasnt that what you were asking for Mar 03 19:07:08 thopiekar, but the scratchbox most ppl use doesnt work with 64bit linux Mar 03 19:07:23 lol Mar 03 19:07:30 nm, that was what you first said Mar 03 19:07:33 lcuk: don't remember I was asking bout epaper) Mar 03 19:08:37 tank-man: :| Mar 03 19:09:17 oh my (slight mistake) Mar 03 19:09:17 RST38h: I have a stupid idea of an ol'skool'ish touchscreen phone with large monochrome oled display :D Mar 03 19:09:48 * lcuk thought he was being helpful :) Mar 03 19:11:19 lcuk: I'll make this phone my first 3d concept :) Mar 03 19:12:10 why does it need to be 3d? i thought the trend was thinner and thinner. a fully 2d phone is the obvious endgame Mar 03 19:13:06 lcuk: trends are not always good) Mar 03 19:14:33 would be interesting to lose4 your fingers trying to pick it up Mar 03 19:23:36 btw, am i the only one here in the chan who has performance problems running the fremantle ui in scratchbox Mar 03 19:25:28 lcuk: well i ran mine over a NX link so i am probably biased.. Mar 03 19:26:01 nx link? Mar 03 19:27:27 remote desktop i believe Mar 03 19:28:42 ahh Mar 03 19:32:45 re Mar 03 19:33:52 * timelE61i recovers from apt-get dist-upgrade forkbombing Mar 03 19:56:04 evening qgil Mar 03 19:56:19 sleepy time Mar 03 19:56:38 nini timeless Mar 03 19:56:52 hi Stskeeps & co Mar 03 19:57:12 oh, i'm still eating dinner Mar 03 19:57:53 qgil: seems like (finally) that app developers are grabbing the chance to try out their software in fremantle environment Mar 03 19:58:04 there's a lot more buzz about it than the pre-alphas at least :) Mar 03 20:00:52 Stskeeps, a lot of interest in qt as well since 4.5 was released as well Mar 03 20:01:01 * lcuk is getting it on his desktop machine Mar 03 20:01:11 yeah Mar 03 20:01:46 well, sure, it's understandable Mar 03 20:02:09 how long till GTK is dropped? ;) Mar 03 20:02:32 isn't benny1967 a developer? Mar 03 20:03:01 I'm surprised about his comments e.g. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268644&postcount=43 Mar 03 20:03:02 havent seen anything specific code wise Mar 03 20:03:53 on a system you have the UI, what is underneath, several applications... and users expect decent performance and battery life Mar 03 20:04:18 uSers expect the world :) Mar 03 20:04:22 and still it might be that the N800/N810 can make it with Fremantle inside via Mer or something Mar 03 20:04:58 qgil, he does have a point though, so far the ui can be seen as nothing more than a new gtk theme. using clutter for it *as it stands* seems like a waste. obviously as things ramp up and more apps make use of it that will change Mar 03 20:05:03 but at a level that wouldn't bring a big return rate in the shops by normal users, that I don't know Mar 03 20:05:03 W/ a pretty bow :) Mar 03 20:05:26 qgil: i'm happy with the code given so far, i can't promise wiz-bang shiny as on the new device obviously, but something that mimics it should be absolutely possible Mar 03 20:05:57 i'd even say nokia could pull a direct backport off without big effort :P Mar 03 20:06:11 * timelE61i chuckles Mar 03 20:06:16 EBUSY Mar 03 20:06:22 yeah ;) Mar 03 20:06:26 at this point Stskeeps i agree. but even i know that we can use clutter for more nice stuff soon Mar 03 20:06:49 * lcuk would like to do some pretty window management zooming Mar 03 20:06:51 another element to consider is that even if the OMAP acceleration drivers can be obtained (still working on it and with a chance) Mar 03 20:07:25 the stability of such software is not assured, or at least not at the level productized drivers are supposed to be Mar 03 20:07:36 * timelE61i rotfl Mar 03 20:07:46 with this cocktail is really complex to go ahead with an official release, you have to invest a lot mor than 'just make it work' Mar 03 20:07:48 given how unstable the frem drivers are Mar 03 20:07:57 * timelE61i can vouch for that concern Mar 03 20:08:23 qgil: yeah.. i can understand the warning in the hacker editions "about" box :) Mar 03 20:08:50 One of the browser managers came to me today or yesterday demoing an n810 w/ rotation... Mar 03 20:09:23 * wazd_n800 surrenders( Mar 03 20:09:52 wazd_n800: you are without laptop again or you're designing in sketch on tablet? :P Mar 03 20:10:29 Stskeeps, without laptop, without a2dp( Mar 03 20:10:56 wazd_n800: my plan is to buy the next device just to have sweet sweet a2dp. Mar 03 20:11:07 i haven't used my a2dp headphones for ages and they're so much better for my ears Mar 03 20:11:58 * lcuk can't wait for the camera Mar 03 20:13:55 * wazd_n800 can't wait for guidelines) Mar 03 20:16:39 about Qt, it's actually cool that http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ had Fremantle binding for 4.5 a day before the official Qt release :) Mar 03 20:17:08 time to pick my good'ol pencil and paper) Mar 03 20:17:42 yeah qgil, lots of hard work coming from that direction :) Mar 03 20:20:19 * lcuk really likes the qtablet stuff Mar 03 20:20:41 oh my, as if it wouldn't be enough with patent litigations Mar 03 20:21:09 that now we must read about copyright litigations about the word "netbook" Mar 03 20:21:23 a fishing book? Mar 03 20:21:49 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/03/psion-countersues-flames-intel-for-unclean-hands.ars Mar 03 20:21:58 i am still eagerly awaiting my Internet Table. :P Mar 03 20:22:42 HP was smarter than others Mar 03 20:22:43 Stskeeps: that was a good one Mar 03 20:22:44 lol Stskeeps i signed up to internettabletalk once Mar 03 20:22:59 HP made 'mininotte') Mar 03 20:25:40 'bonetok' Mar 03 20:26:28 sTs: i want ms surface Mar 03 20:26:45 timelE61i: just so you can run maemo on it? ;) Mar 03 20:27:25 qGil: internet table was bad because we almost shipped an internet table tutorial Mar 03 20:27:35 Sts: vmware Mar 03 20:27:39 hehe Mar 03 20:28:16 timelE61i: and that xkcd comic? :P Mar 03 20:28:22 Actually, sun had a similar thing before ms Mar 03 20:28:48 But i have had trouble finding it Mar 03 20:29:28 there was a futuristic multitouch table in c-base :) that was cool to mess with, we shouldv hacked it whilst we had the chance Mar 03 20:30:30 * timelE61i nods Mar 03 20:33:37 ah, hadn't seen http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/03/maemo-5-gets-alpha-sdk-nokia-fans-rejoice/ Mar 03 20:35:01 comments are always fun to read Mar 03 20:35:48 you don't know how fun :) Mar 03 20:36:17 but anyway, many have a point Mar 03 20:37:22 hi eeeeveryone. Mar 03 20:50:42 * RST38h moos Mar 03 20:51:41 * binky bahs. Mar 03 20:54:30 what fonts are included in Diablo? Mar 03 20:54:43 lbt, no idea, sorry =| Mar 03 20:54:50 I'm trying to increase the font size in a Qt app and it doesn't want to.. :( Mar 03 20:55:00 works on the desktop Mar 03 20:55:41 Why don't you just put a settings panel where users can set the fontsize? lol Mar 03 20:56:19 what choices do I give them? Mar 03 20:56:26 lbt, its a handheld device :D users can move it closer to their head. macro zoom Mar 03 20:56:36 Mar 03 20:56:38 LOL! Mar 03 20:56:45 choices: larger, smaller. Mar 03 20:56:52 I don't want 14pt font Mar 03 20:56:58 I want 1 finger font Mar 03 20:57:10 and with a few minor adjustments we can turn their nipples into a radio tuner Mar 03 20:57:14 or maybe 1 fat finger font for people who eat too much bacon! Mar 03 20:57:25 just make that when they pulse [+] letters go larger Mar 03 20:57:26 lol Mar 03 20:57:28 people, tomorrow I'm going to a travel I my OS2008HE doesn't want to copy to my MMC, what can I do? I describe the fail: Mar 03 20:57:35 lbt: http://pastebin.com/f3d425d66 Mar 03 20:57:44 lbt, is the problem simply not listening to your developer command Mar 03 20:57:48 and using the theming? Mar 03 20:58:01 /root/install-tools/tar: ./usr/share/osso-help/mehmehmeh : Cannot Open:; No such File Or Directory Mar 03 20:58:09 qwerty12_N800: ta - I'm actually just trying to increase the size Mar 03 20:58:12 and all the locales or all help files fail. Mar 03 20:58:13 lcuk: yep Mar 03 20:58:16 any ideas? Mar 03 20:58:51 it could be something specific to the qt port, might be worth making a bug for it Mar 03 20:58:57 maemo * Mar 03 21:00:15 I'm thinking that - so just checking to make sure Diablo actually has other fonts - I recalled some discussion on font redistribution a while back Mar 03 21:00:30 at least now the text is green Mar 03 21:00:34 much healthier Mar 03 21:00:41 unless you're buying cheese Mar 03 21:00:48 yeah Mar 03 21:00:57 lol Mar 03 21:01:16 i was playing around wit hx windows last night Mar 03 21:01:19 with x Mar 03 21:02:29 * lcuk forgot what he was gonna say about it tho lol Mar 03 21:03:33 hmm - thanks qwerty12_N800 I got it to select NewCourier but it wont change size... hmmm Mar 03 21:03:52 :/ Mar 03 21:05:29 Why don't you just install a smaller font from extras, put it on dependencies, and people'll have it when they install the app. Mar 03 21:05:45 (don't forget to make it the default font then) Mar 03 21:05:53 my solutions are the crappies. Mar 03 21:05:55 est* Mar 03 21:05:59 true Mar 03 21:06:31 a smaller font? do fonts come in single sizees any more? Mar 03 21:07:17 a font can be smaller at one point size compared to another Mar 03 21:07:39 s/another/another font at the same size/ Mar 03 21:07:40 qwerty12_N800 meant: a font can be smaller at one point size compared to another font at the same size Mar 03 21:08:08 yep - I just want to verify that the Qt stylesheet engine is working... Mar 03 21:08:18 A) kinda Mar 03 21:08:38 using a .css I can select a different face Mar 03 21:08:50 but it seems to ignore the point size Mar 03 21:09:06 I wasn't sure how Diablo implemented fonts Mar 03 21:09:14 ie: no matter how good the code is, it kinda misses the point :P Mar 03 21:09:27 X used to do fixed and only later did vectors Mar 03 21:09:39 ttfs mainly Mar 03 21:09:55 yes - aren't ttfs scalable? Mar 03 21:10:03 so it should render any pointsize Mar 03 21:10:12 yes font program renders to correct res with adjustments Mar 03 21:10:25 yes i think theres nothing wrong with the deep core system Mar 03 21:10:53 this is liekly an interaction with either the specific widget or with qt's understanding of theme changes themselves Mar 03 21:10:55 so what's odd is that the css is changing the face from sansserif to courier but ignoring the 'large' Mar 03 21:10:58 or 14pt Mar 03 21:11:00 Stskeeps: I just left a link to Mer in the engadget comments :) Mar 03 21:12:25 "Additionally, the new OS supports hardware-accelerated 3D graphics" - but this isn't on the 3D HW in the N800 is it? Mar 03 21:12:26 lbt, which widget are you altering here Mar 03 21:12:26 qgil: who is responsible for http://tableteer.nokia.com/? It's been down for 2 days Mar 03 21:12:32 QLabel Mar 03 21:12:44 and have you tried doing font changes on something as simple as a label. oh Mar 03 21:13:18 it works on the desktop Mar 03 21:13:22 do you fancy trying a qcanvas and manually drawing some text onto it at random sizes Mar 03 21:13:33 ie same code crosscompiled for x86 Mar 03 21:13:41 if you can do a quick dirty test case i'd do a bug report Mar 03 21:13:58 http://pastebin.com/d5f0d337d Mar 03 21:14:05 most likely missed when trying to get the theming engine to work Mar 03 21:14:22 agreed Mar 03 21:14:28 hang on Mar 03 21:14:40 you are specifying "large" and a specific pointsize Mar 03 21:14:47 which do you want to happen? Mar 03 21:14:56 doing all sorts :) Mar 03 21:15:00 lol Mar 03 21:15:11 just set it to something like 21pt without extra large stuff Mar 03 21:15:13 trying to get *some* reaction Mar 03 21:15:18 lol Mar 03 21:15:31 font: large "Nokia Sans:WHY WON'T YOU WORK...."; Mar 03 21:15:55 "im sorry dave, i'm afraid i can't do that" Mar 03 21:16:15 ;) Mar 03 21:16:25 http://pastebin.com/d50ab2b45 Mar 03 21:17:10 Oh I tried to call QWidget.JustBloodyWork(); the other day. Mar 03 21:17:13 mikkov_: jussi, i'll tell him tomorrow Mar 03 21:17:17 thanks! Mar 03 21:17:24 and bonne nuit zzzzzzzzz Mar 03 21:17:51 lol lbt Mar 03 21:18:28 ask gnuton (i think hes the right gnu lol) or file a bug Mar 03 21:19:14 so do you do all dialogs and stuff using css Mar 03 21:19:21 or are these ontop of the normal properties Mar 03 21:19:54 you write the app and use css to address the objects and set style properties Mar 03 21:20:08 Shopper--CategoryView > QFrame { color : black;} Mar 03 21:20:32 do you do most manually, or are you using the new swanky 4.5 ide Mar 03 21:20:41 means set the colour of the QFrame which is the direct child of the CategoryView to black Mar 03 21:20:47 all manual Mar 03 21:20:55 learn more that way Mar 03 21:21:11 the ide looks quite impressive tbh Mar 03 21:21:12 there's no way I'd have gestures and scrolling using the ide Mar 03 21:21:32 well, you would if somebody fixed up the core list/memo/check widgets Mar 03 21:21:41 thing is my gui is dynamic Mar 03 21:21:51 but still built from widgets Mar 03 21:22:05 yeah, but IME dynamic guis need coding Mar 03 21:22:22 heh, you sound like me moaning about visual studio .net Mar 03 21:22:30 It'd make sense to do dialogs using it though Mar 03 21:22:31 i prefer to hand craft my relationships Mar 03 21:22:33 same thing Mar 03 21:22:56 I have a graphical UI to my code - my imagination Mar 03 21:23:18 i hope we get some decent speedups on the fremantle device. it would be interesting to see what i can do with qt Mar 03 21:23:37 I'm hitting CPU limits Mar 03 21:23:48 it takes an age to render shadings Mar 03 21:23:51 is that through rendering? Mar 03 21:23:54 yeah Mar 03 21:23:54 gradients Mar 03 21:24:29 i *knew* why i mentioned x11. do qt widgets sit ontop of x11 windows (like other normal widgetsets) Mar 03 21:24:32 16 seconds to start up Mar 03 21:24:36 ouch! Mar 03 21:24:50 <2 secs without gradients Mar 03 21:25:03 x11 - yes Mar 03 21:25:13 i got liqbase up to that the other day - i had every widget id started on screen at once, loading all recent pics and images and maps and editors and recursive stuff :D Mar 03 21:25:18 I *think* all Qt widgets have an X11 window Mar 03 21:25:34 yeah Mar 03 21:25:37 its normal Mar 03 21:25:40 unlike Gtk where only most have Mar 03 21:26:04 That's because GTK needs 18,000 boxes to put things in. Mar 03 21:26:09 ive started to look closely at writing a WM (after comments based on the liqbase video) Mar 03 21:26:13 the problem with gtk is that X generates mouse events at the window level Mar 03 21:26:17 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090303_033416.lib.scr.png Mar 03 21:26:34 so i enerated the windows running on my tablet and liqbaseified them :) Mar 03 21:26:47 (well, started to) Mar 03 21:26:58 it should generate at hte window level Mar 03 21:27:12 but i thought qt was not based on rectangles any more (cos of 3d stuff) Mar 03 21:27:25 I dunno - maybe you should make Qt do that stuff - then get a job at Nokia... Mar 03 21:27:25 and so you cant use the x11 event chain Mar 03 21:30:21 yeah, the qtablet stuff looks nice - i could see myself enjoying myself with all that Mar 03 21:30:21 lcuk : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZDG1wvvTbo Mar 03 21:31:33 do people remember to set bpp 32 for fremantle btw? Mar 03 21:31:35 heh Mar 03 21:31:47 !! Mar 03 21:32:16 that might be why everything looks crap.. Mar 03 21:32:22 dunno Stskeeps my fremantle feels like its rendered at 512bpp Mar 03 21:32:49 * lcuk has tried everything suggested and still cant get it running Mar 03 21:32:58 at faster than a snailspace Mar 03 21:33:05 blame intel for shit drivers Mar 03 21:33:08 128 bits per channel? doubt the universe has that much colorspace :) Mar 03 21:33:14 they arent shit though Mar 03 21:33:30 the universe has more channels... Mar 03 21:33:32 jaska, at 5 seconds per frame in fremantle i doubt its much less Mar 03 21:33:34 your experience suggests otherwise Mar 03 21:33:44 no, cos full screen wobbly windows run well Mar 03 21:33:52 and all gl stuff runs well Mar 03 21:34:05 but ive never had a good experience with clutter Mar 03 21:34:15 infact, can still blame intel :P :D Mar 03 21:34:38 well, if you use compiz, you may not use any other 3d apps Mar 03 21:34:43 sadly Mar 03 21:34:51 they fight over the graphics hardware Mar 03 21:35:01 unless you disable 3d accel for all but one of them Mar 03 21:35:08 this will get fixed some day real soon Mar 03 21:35:11 and the fix is called DRI2 Mar 03 21:35:20 they both run but they fight Mar 03 21:35:31 I run NeverWinterNights + Compiz Mar 03 21:36:13 compiz @ 3800x1200 is quite cool Mar 03 21:36:33 mgedmin, i have it switched off normally, no effects. Mar 03 21:36:48 i only turned it on after seeing the comments about drivers - i needed a way to confirm it was working Mar 03 21:36:56 so i wobbled them for a bit and turned em off again Mar 03 21:37:32 i even wobbled the xephyr window around a bit :D Mar 03 21:40:35 :) Mar 03 21:40:36 lbt, thats an insane resolution, what size display(s) are you using? Mar 03 21:40:46 2 * 1600x1200 Mar 03 21:41:06 no, 1900x1200 Mar 03 21:41:08 lol Mar 03 21:41:10 is there a 1900x1200? Mar 03 21:41:13 * lcuk was waiting for that Mar 03 21:41:19 I thought the standard was 1920x1200 Mar 03 21:41:26 who stole the missing 40 pixels? Mar 03 21:41:29 yep Mar 03 21:41:34 sidebar Mar 03 21:41:45 a whole 40 pixels? Mar 03 21:41:54 like I care ;) Mar 03 21:41:57 lol Mar 03 21:42:07 2x 24" LCDs Mar 03 21:42:13 im gonna have a wallmounted display soon Mar 03 21:42:35 to put calendar and notes on Mar 03 21:42:36 these are excellent - £200 each from Overclockers Mar 03 21:42:41 * lcuk can finally take down the paper notes Mar 03 21:42:55 I have one in my bathroom Mar 03 21:43:28 flexible e-ink display for when you are out of normal paper? Mar 03 21:43:34 or would that be eugh-ink Mar 03 21:44:04 http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/2192513428/ Mar 03 21:44:35 ooh Mar 03 21:44:41 aah Mar 03 21:44:42 VERY nice Mar 03 21:45:03 I am rather proud of that :) Mar 03 21:45:12 what happens when you drop your remote into the water? Mar 03 21:45:17 wow Mar 03 21:45:19 buy another Mar 03 21:45:50 it's lirc so you just program it to understand the remote Mar 03 21:46:03 you dont want remote - you need (though other aspects will make it impractical) to have a camera and have it detecting you waving a rubber duck lol Mar 03 21:46:10 I use the HP multimedia ones off eBay Mar 03 21:46:28 lol Mar 03 21:46:36 lcuk: XD Mar 03 21:46:46 hmm - if I did that I could do a live webcam! Mar 03 21:46:52 thats seriously impressive though david Mar 03 21:47:08 for the love of god NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mar 03 21:47:15 I looked at a waterproof lcd and it was £1700+vat Mar 03 21:47:32 this was really cheap by comparison - bloody hard work though! Mar 03 21:47:33 me wants 2 30" hp purecolors :( Mar 03 21:47:40 what about getting a waterproof remote instead Mar 03 21:47:53 infact, isnt there an immersable treatment now Mar 03 21:48:07 http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/House/bathroom/14-bathroom-pixies-drilling_Lg.jpg Mar 03 21:48:22 golden shellback! (omg the name is bad) Mar 03 21:48:34 http://mobileroar.com/2008/07/25/waterproof-phones-with-golden-shellback Mar 03 21:49:12 errrr david, isnt the intention to keep the water IN the bath Mar 03 21:50:31 that is a seriously geeky bathroom. good job! Mar 03 21:52:54 * Jaffa 's just paid the deposit for a new fitted study Mar 03 21:53:44 who are you fitting in your study? Mar 03 21:54:09 Me, primarily Mar 03 21:57:47 heh jaffa Mar 03 21:57:59 are you having a waterproof telly in the ceiling as well? Mar 03 21:58:38 lol Mar 03 21:59:33 Jaffa: are you having a server cupboard? Mar 03 21:59:59 lcuk: new 22" TV/monitor Mar 03 22:00:17 lbt: nah, got my server under the telly Mar 03 22:01:01 lbt, did you see the shellback thing Mar 03 22:01:04 you're UK though? Check out the Overclocker 24" LCDs Mar 03 22:01:15 lcuk: I did - rather good idea Mar 03 22:01:29 * mgedmin has a TV that can do 1920x1080, but it's a crappy monitor Mar 03 22:01:43 lbt: will do Mar 03 22:01:47 the spaces between white pixels are larger than the pixels themselves Mar 03 22:02:04 and if you want to see them in the flesh and you're down near Reading... Mar 03 22:02:06 which is not noticeable when you're sitting on the other side of the room, but in that case you cannot read 10pt text in your terminal windows Mar 03 22:02:16 Ebuyer have a 1920x1080 LG TV/monitor which is supposed to be good Mar 03 22:02:59 mgedmin: size? Mar 03 22:03:09 I thought you were a myth person Jaffa Mar 03 22:03:34 either 30" or 32", whichever's the standard size Mar 03 22:03:48 lbt: Freevo, historically. Now using xbmc as a new fronted Mar 03 22:03:55 it's a samsung (I quite liked my 19" samsung 193p+ LCD monitor) Mar 03 22:04:20 * b-man thinks about adding upstart to the ubuntu-n8x0 repo Mar 03 22:19:08 * b-man notices qole is starting to highjack his ubuntu jaunty thread :P Mar 03 22:19:40 b-man, dont worry, qole does have a lot of experience :) Mar 03 22:19:50 true :) Mar 03 22:20:13 i just hope he doesn't totally take over ;) Mar 03 22:20:37 not a chance, just bribe him with a bottle of absynthe, that should put him off track for a few days ;) Mar 03 22:20:50 lol Mar 03 22:21:53 i'll be uploading a ton of new packages to the ubuntu-n8x0-repo soon btw Mar 03 22:22:14 excellent Mar 03 22:23:42 i'll also pissibly be adding a package called osso-esd-support so we can have Adobe-flashplayer in both ubuntu and mer.. hopefully Mar 03 22:24:34 o_Ohow would you get the binary Mar 03 22:25:06 i have the packages... and sirce :D Mar 03 22:25:13 *sorce Mar 03 22:25:19 flash source? Mar 03 22:25:53 i only have binarys for flash, but sorce for esd Mar 03 22:26:50 oh - Qt font scaling kinda works... but I think there's a scaling problem. Mar 03 22:27:21 lol lbt Mar 03 22:27:31 font scaling was my biggest problem Mar 03 22:27:42 its still not perfect and ive learnt a lot along the way Mar 03 22:28:27 it was tough making visual basic scale fonts how i wanted it as well Mar 03 22:28:35 * lcuk thinks font designers just get in the way Mar 03 22:29:26 fonts are hard Mar 03 22:29:55 mgedmin, i made my own font creator a couple of months ago Mar 03 22:30:01 before i managed to get scalable fonts Mar 03 22:30:15 reading the gpl in my own handwriting was a little odd Mar 03 22:30:44 http://liqbase.net/liq.20081126_224040.gary.scr.png Mar 03 22:31:28 heh Mar 03 22:31:29 http://liqbase.net/liq.20081129_121452.gary.scr.png Mar 03 22:31:55 thats always fascinated me Mar 03 22:32:06 ill be going back to that branch one day soon :) Mar 03 22:40:17 Hello Mar 03 22:50:01 from gtk i can access the x11 Window handle. does anyone know if there is an inverse, ie access the GTK widget from the x11 handle Mar 03 23:56:11 "Businessman Andrew Cheatle lost his Nokia cell phone during a visit to the local beach. A couple of weeks later he got a call from it. It had been found in the stomach of a Cod fish. A bit worse for wear, and smelly, it still worked." Mar 03 23:56:51 talk about an ad campaign opportunity... Mar 04 00:18:15 Does maemo mapper 'still' use google maps? Did it ever? Mar 04 01:47:05 Hiya Mar 04 01:49:18 I have a question if anyone is willing to indulge my noobness and help me out. I just got a n810 running Maemo and I have shared folders on my home network. Is there an application for Maemo that allows me to browse shared folders on a network and copy files wirelessly to my n810? Mar 04 01:50:13 Tammy: how are they shared? Mar 04 01:50:45 Uh specificly WinXP folder sharing Mar 04 01:51:12 oh Mar 04 01:51:14 windows crap Mar 04 01:51:19 should just show up in the file manager then Mar 04 01:51:35 Ahh ok, thanks Mar 04 01:51:44 if it doesn't, be sure you're on the right network ;) Mar 04 01:51:52 just wasnt sure where to look Mar 04 02:22:44 HI Mar 04 02:30:58 hi Mar 04 02:32:01 how could I add a web link as a bookmarklet on the n810 browser? Mar 04 02:33:25 nevermind Mar 04 02:34:07 i guess you have to "click" and hold the link Mar 04 02:49:42 * FireFox16 is getting irritated by the lousy bandwith of his connection :P Mar 04 02:53:32 I have an app that I've been wanting to use on Maemo, but I have discovered that packaging DEBs gives me headaches. Would it be appropriate to post a note on the forums asking if anyone feels like packaging it? Mar 04 02:54:22 jaem, you can talk to jeremiah, our debmaster. ;) Mar 04 02:54:49 any idea when he'd be around? Mar 04 02:55:06 Usually during the day Mar 04 02:55:09 you can email him, too. Mar 04 02:55:16 Or email -developers Mar 04 02:55:17 what is this "day" you speak of? Mar 04 02:55:22 EU timezone Mar 04 02:55:24 ah Mar 04 02:55:51 I must say that I prefer Arch's package building tools... they're much simpler. I tried building Debian packages, but it drove me crazy Mar 04 02:56:18 Arch on a tablet would actually be quite nice... but I don't have the kind of time or skill needed to do that, even if there was a demand for it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 04 02:59:57 2009