**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 04 02:59:57 2009 Mar 04 05:14:12 hello Mar 04 05:31:23 johnx! Mar 04 05:31:28 Where'd you run off to? :P Mar 04 05:31:57 been so busy IRL that a pile of stuff ended up on top of my desktop keyboard. Mar 04 05:32:28 haven't been on it in a week or so now...I've got over a thousand items piled up in my RSS reader :/ Mar 04 05:33:44 Sounds fun. ;) Mar 04 05:34:12 well, it was mostly. Had a friend visiting from waaaay out of town Mar 04 05:39:54 johnx: what do you think of moving the N810 internals into a C760 shell and wiring the C760 kb? Mar 04 05:40:31 I know nothing about the hardware hacking needed for something like that but it sounds like it would be awesome Mar 04 05:41:28 even awesomer would be if I could fit the N810 in the LCD region and use the C760 as a coprocessor :o Mar 04 05:41:34 dual-core ARM 400 MHz Mar 04 05:41:58 battery draw would be a bit much I think ;) Mar 04 05:42:18 :o Mar 04 05:42:27 make it hot-pluggable then Mar 04 05:42:36 only when crap like Maemo Mapper is running Mar 04 05:42:50 (or am I the only one who's N810 is slow as molasses with it?) Mar 04 05:43:18 find the version of maemo mapper that saves to image tiles Mar 04 05:43:26 it's a bit older but should work just fine for most things Mar 04 05:43:34 O.o? Mar 04 05:44:00 it's mentioned on ITT Mar 04 05:44:28 ITT? O. Mar 04 05:44:32 O.o* Mar 04 05:45:00 internettablettalk.com/forums Mar 04 05:45:16 o that Mar 04 05:48:24 anyways, so do you have much experience with modding/wiring/soldering stuff like the N810/Zaurus? Mar 04 05:48:49 nope Mar 04 05:49:23 ah, then my thoughts on n8x0 hardware in a clamshell zaurus is "nice but we'll never see it" Mar 04 05:49:59 Oh, johnx, alpha's out. Mar 04 05:50:06 Found a new model number: RX-71 Mar 04 05:50:07 yup Mar 04 05:50:13 read that thread Mar 04 05:50:24 been off the desktop but doing some surfing on the n800 :) Mar 04 05:50:39 just didn't have the spare energy to actually engage in communications with other people ;) Mar 04 05:50:40 WL1271 seems to be a/the new WiFi chip. Mar 04 05:50:46 So Bluetooth, WiFi, and FM all in one chip. Mar 04 05:50:59 hot sauce Mar 04 05:51:34 Nominations for Council are open, too. Mar 04 06:21:37 johnx Mar 04 06:21:43 neatojones Mar 04 06:21:48 I'm trying to build something on #merbuilder Mar 04 06:22:00 and what I send keeps disappearing. Mar 04 06:22:11 any idea why? Mar 04 06:22:16 it sometimes doesn't let you send exactly the same thing twice Mar 04 06:22:25 Hmm. It was similar Mar 04 06:22:28 try tacking something on to the end Mar 04 06:22:43 like what? Mar 04 06:22:48 like: build mypackage (anything you want) Mar 04 06:23:15 ok Mar 04 06:23:20 thanks Mar 04 06:23:39 and/or 'delete' your old build request (but it looks like you already did that?) Mar 04 06:24:20 yeah Mar 04 06:24:29 I finally figured out what I was doing wrong...:D Mar 04 06:24:35 Sorry, I made the board messy Mar 04 06:25:02 I was using an _armel.changes instead of _source.changes file Mar 04 06:25:05 ahaha...no worries (especially if the builder is otherwise idle) Mar 04 06:25:45 you should see some of the rebuilds I did in the past... Mar 04 06:25:49 it's gotta build this package so I can go on to make the rest. Mar 04 06:26:03 I appreciate everyone's help. I'm new to using these things. Mar 04 06:26:50 I also realized that if I'm making _source.changes files, I don't have to use my n810 to make the debs...which is 3000000000000000000000x faster Mar 04 06:27:42 you forgot a few zeros Mar 04 06:27:43 btw, hi Mar 04 06:28:09 possible. Mar 04 06:28:27 Hmm. It says it's missing the docs. Can I make it install doxygen? Mar 04 06:33:53 neatojones, you mean as a build depend? Mar 04 06:34:25 I guess, I can add that in as a build depend. Mar 04 06:35:10 just add to the control file... Mar 04 06:35:19 I'll give that a shot and try again. Mar 04 06:35:52 what happens to the bad packages I've uploaded? (I guess this means I have to change the version number) Mar 04 06:37:07 yeah, you need to bump the version every time you use merbuilder Mar 04 06:37:29 muh...thanks Mar 04 06:39:12 morning Mar 04 06:39:34 and good to see you're alive, johnx Mar 04 06:40:24 yeah, just drained, but I figured I should dispel rumors of my demise :) Mar 04 06:41:04 Oh, johnx, I forgot to tell you. We figured you were dead, so we gave all of your stuff to qwerty12. :P Mar 04 06:43:11 heh. that would be awesome. it would mean he can worry about getting it out of my apartment instead of me :) Mar 04 06:43:44 Moving across the Pacific sounds horrifying, personally. Mar 04 06:44:17 difficult: moving across the Pacific. challenge: do it without any type of automobile. Mar 04 06:44:48 Really? Seems like not having a car could make it less of a hassle. Mar 04 06:45:20 johnx: teleportation Mar 04 06:45:34 yeah, it'll be awesome selling my bookshelves on craigslist/local equivalents and *carrying them on the train* to their new homes Mar 04 06:45:44 Ah, OK. Mar 04 06:46:06 * GeneralAntilles was picturing a moving truck or something and not having to unload a car. Mar 04 06:46:14 s/unload/sell/ Mar 04 06:46:44 the problem is that moving most of this stuff would cost more than replacing it, even if I can't sell it for much Mar 04 06:46:58 Yeah Mar 04 06:48:06 * neatojones crosses his fingers and wait to see if his package will actually build. Mar 04 06:48:43 neatojones, you don't have a scratchbox/merSDK install locally? Mar 04 06:49:23 No. I just got a computer with linux installed. My old one died. Mar 04 06:49:36 It's a pile too, but I've not had a chance yet. Mar 04 06:49:58 * Stskeeps just uses a x86 chroot Mar 04 06:50:30 * johnx dredges through his stuff looking for important paperwork Mar 04 06:51:08 I used linux for years, but I got married about a half year ago and she made me get rid of my linux desktop before. "it's ugly." Mar 04 06:51:47 * johnx 's wife is amused by his random hacking :) Mar 04 06:52:10 woohoo a toaster! Mar 04 06:52:22 neatojones, your wife forces you to use mac's ? wow :) Mar 04 06:52:29 neatojones: once in an argument the phrase "your stupid old computers" came up Mar 04 06:52:36 she'd like too Mar 04 06:54:03 I tend to like saving the old dying things. She wants a pretty new mac. Mar 04 06:54:14 she also likes Vaio's Mar 04 06:54:26 women... Mar 04 06:55:10 anyone else out there that has a wife/s.o. that hates their tablet? Mar 04 06:55:20 neatojones: i gave her a 770 :P Mar 04 06:55:21 my other half doesn't care what kind of ancient equipment I use as long as she gets nice shiny new stuff :) Mar 04 06:55:44 Hehe, bribe equipment. Mar 04 06:56:11 heh. her laptop is easily twice as fast as my desktop... Mar 04 06:56:11 Hmm. I'll look into that. Mar 04 06:56:34 It drives me crazy Mar 04 06:56:41 she just wants it to be "cute". Mar 04 06:56:53 I'm like, "ITS A RIP OFF!" Mar 04 06:57:00 ...but it's cute. Mar 04 06:57:07 hello kitty rx-51 might do that Mar 04 06:58:26 lol Mar 04 06:59:33 women...can't live with 'em and (in most places) it's illegal to shoot 'em. :P Mar 04 06:59:36 use some spray paint on it Mar 04 07:01:25 * neatojones hopes the irclog police don't come for him. Mar 04 07:02:52 neatojones: instantly googleable Mar 04 07:03:58 * neatojones goes on the hunt for an ip changer. Mar 04 07:04:10 hehe Mar 04 07:04:25 or just register for a nick here Mar 04 07:06:57 hehe Mar 04 07:07:07 :) Mar 04 07:17:07 moo all Mar 04 07:19:13 m00f RST38h Mar 04 07:20:04 everybody has to hear my new speakers Mar 04 07:20:22 well, those who like hifi Mar 04 07:20:59 maybe i need to make a showing room Mar 04 07:21:09 advertise, become a dealer Mar 04 07:21:33 just record some sound out of them and I'll play the file here. :) Mar 04 07:22:42 * GeneralAntilles sends his speakers to fight pupnik's. Mar 04 07:23:00 * johnx has the $5 special from the local used computer place Mar 04 07:31:12 * ljp has new Bose desktop speakers that sound kick a** Mar 04 07:31:45 lol . . . Bose. Mar 04 07:32:35 indeed Mar 04 07:33:00 Hello, paper cones and shit electronics. Mar 04 07:33:00 bose, the monstercable of speakers Mar 04 07:33:05 Except worse. Mar 04 07:33:21 don't knock paper cones Mar 04 07:33:25 no, they are not hype Mar 04 07:33:30 some of my best speaker friends are paper cones Mar 04 07:33:38 bose?' Mar 04 07:33:38 Monster Cable gouges people for OK stuff. Mar 04 07:33:41 sorry, but yeah Mar 04 07:33:44 Bose gouges people for shit. Mar 04 07:33:53 i wouldnt say that at all. Mar 04 07:34:18 Then, sorry, you wouldn't know what you're talking about. ;) Mar 04 07:34:23 I did sound for a band once that had Bose speakers and they sounded excellent Mar 04 07:35:54 I have the same problem with bose that I do with monstercable, their marketing is a bunch of lies and they charge way too much for what you get Mar 04 07:36:09 I used to do stereo repair Mar 04 07:36:16 bose equipment quality is okay Mar 04 07:36:20 way better then most Mar 04 07:36:40 * GeneralAntilles is a fan of Axiom. Mar 04 07:36:52 but some of the shit they sell, telling you you can get great sound reproduction range out of 4 2.5inch teeters and a sub Mar 04 07:37:53 and their whole "wave guide" shit Mar 04 07:38:20 it's a frickin 3in speaker with some plastic baffle Mar 04 07:39:05 for 2.5 inch tweaks it does Mar 04 07:39:11 :P Mar 04 07:39:34 It's fun covering the ports on the subwoofers in the surround sound demo setups at electronics stores with their pamphlets and comparing the sound. Mar 04 07:40:59 Well, yeah, I guess you can do some electronic distortion tricks to make my ear think it's hearing all that nice crisp midrange, but how about I just get some less exspensive nice speakers with a decent sized cone? maybe? Mar 04 07:41:41 if I lived in a 3'x3' cardboard box and didn't have room then, well, then I couldn't afford bose stuff Mar 04 07:42:04 ah, man. one day I hope to get a nice big 3x3 cardboard box to move into Mar 04 07:42:09 lol Mar 04 07:42:10 Hehe Mar 04 07:42:21 johnx, you could even burn it for heat. Mar 04 07:42:35 this 1x2 is getting small...especially with the massively big n800 in here too Mar 04 07:42:40 although the paradox is, it gets colder the more you burn it... Mar 04 07:43:10 http://tech2.nytimes.com/mem/technology/techreview.html?res=9C04E0DA1130F930A35755C0A96F958260 Mar 04 07:43:28 neat login screen :) Mar 04 07:44:07 heh, when it's linked from google you get to see it Mar 04 07:44:09 interesting Mar 04 07:44:15 sound just like expertexchange Mar 04 07:44:23 oh well Mar 04 07:45:46 I'll paste in some gems: The vibrations of the cone vibrate the air in the baffle, too. ''It matches the motion of the air with the motion of the speaker,'' Mr. Short said. Mar 04 07:45:54 explaining the wave guide tech Mar 04 07:46:16 THE SPEAKER IS SPECIALY DESIGNED TO MAKE AIR MOVE BY MOVING THE SPEAKER CONE!!!! Mar 04 07:46:23 OMFG Mar 04 07:46:27 BRILLIANT!!!! Mar 04 07:46:49 wait, wait, isn't that how all speakers work? Mar 04 07:47:38 hm Mar 04 07:48:10 Proteous: haha Mar 04 07:48:17 isn't that how all sound works? Mar 04 07:48:36 heh Mar 04 07:48:41 just moves air? Mar 04 07:48:52 that's why you have to love it when space movies have these laser noises and shit Mar 04 07:48:56 Bose probably has a patent. Mar 04 07:48:56 yeah Mar 04 07:49:21 in space, no one can hear your phasers/photon torpedos Mar 04 07:49:22 and you have to love the laser that shoots as though it's going about as fast as a submarine torpedo Mar 04 07:49:22 Macer, problem is, the alternative is heavy breathing like 2001. :P Mar 04 07:49:47 GeneralAntilles: heh... where is our manned flight to jupiter? Mar 04 07:49:52 for some reason I don't think evasive manuvers are going to help with a computer aimed laser weapon Mar 04 07:49:57 i think the previous generation was way too ambitious Mar 04 07:50:04 Proteous: me neither Mar 04 07:50:10 don't lasers move the speed of light? :) Mar 04 07:50:20 heh Mar 04 07:50:20 the lasers themselves don't ;) Mar 04 07:50:25 i suppose if you were like..... 3 au away you might be able to dodge it Mar 04 07:50:26 just the beam Mar 04 07:50:35 ahhh. but light is bendable Mar 04 07:50:38 but they are fighting right next to each other Mar 04 07:50:45 still, you'd have to have FTL to see what you're dodging Mar 04 07:50:48 *if* for some reason there was ever armed combat between human manned vessels in deep space it would be just about the most boring thing ever to watch Mar 04 07:50:50 ljp: heh... sure if you have a flying planet Mar 04 07:50:59 then again i guess everything is "flying" in space Mar 04 07:51:26 johnx: yeah. no dramatic music Mar 04 07:51:47 it would be just as boring as naval fights Mar 04 07:52:00 that's why you have to beam down to the planet and fight a vulcan Mar 04 07:52:27 Macer, except all of it would be beyond visible range and would involve at most one exchange. also: it would probably take years Mar 04 07:53:08 telescopes can see pretty far .. but then again i do suppose there would be a time delay in the light received Mar 04 07:53:22 or any other types of viewable spectrum Mar 04 07:53:47 s/visible/naked eye visible/ Mar 04 07:53:48 johnx meant: Macer, except all of it would be beyond naked eye visible range and would involve at most one exchange. also: it would probably take years Mar 04 07:53:54 johnx: like naval fights ;) Mar 04 07:53:54 if we never figure out faster then light travel then all of this is for nothing Mar 04 07:54:14 Proteous, if that happens a lot is going to "for nothing" :) Mar 04 07:54:25 heh Mar 04 07:54:26 true Mar 04 07:54:29 Proteous: you figure that an object in motion will stay in motion Mar 04 07:54:29 ...theory of relativity Mar 04 07:54:35 so all you really need to do is just accelerate Mar 04 07:54:46 Macer, if only it was that easy Mar 04 07:54:48 until you reach the speed of light :) Mar 04 07:54:52 never will Mar 04 07:54:55 You can't technically Mar 04 07:55:06 time changes the faster you travel Mar 04 07:55:18 and things even change size Mar 04 07:55:25 time slows Mar 04 07:55:54 actually though... i thought the gravitational force would be caused by the actual acceleration Mar 04 07:56:10 so what happens if you stop acclerating? does that mean time returns to normal? Mar 04 07:56:25 yet you continue to travel at the speed of light? Mar 04 07:56:36 until you accidently smash into a micro black hole Mar 04 07:56:41 if you travel at the speed of light time stops Mar 04 07:56:47 for you anyway Mar 04 07:57:13 you could arive at any point in the universe in the same amount of time Mar 04 07:57:45 Macer, or a speck of sand. ;) Mar 04 07:57:46 but time would continue at a "normal" rate if you are the one traveling at the speed of light Mar 04 07:58:10 so is aging simply the process of life traveling through time? Mar 04 07:58:25 hard coded into dna or something? :) Mar 04 07:58:33 Mass Effect actually had some interesting ideas about space combat. Mar 04 07:58:59 aging requires chemical reactions to happen Mar 04 07:59:05 which requires time Mar 04 07:59:19 so does thinking Mar 04 07:59:55 it's all theory :) Mar 04 08:00:18 gravity is a theory Mar 04 08:00:18 and which chemical determines the speed at which you are traveling through time? Mar 04 08:00:36 gravity is magic Mar 04 08:00:40 well, our perception of time is interesting to think of Mar 04 08:00:50 gravity kills Mar 04 08:01:00 I don't think you can change the 60 seconds per minute time travel speed by munching chemicals Mar 04 08:01:01 It's all magic. Mar 04 08:01:07 well, maybe the apparent speed... Mar 04 08:01:32 if you are unconscience it goes by really fast... Mar 04 08:01:48 er, unconscious Mar 04 08:01:55 damn three vowel words Mar 04 08:02:02 Aw, Modest was a mistake. :( Mar 04 08:02:07 * GeneralAntilles wants yerga's screenshots. Mar 04 08:02:22 http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726391.500-is-time-an-illusion.html?full=true Mar 04 08:06:11 Super Mario War really needs a different jump button. Mar 04 08:08:24 09:05 < pupnik> you know who is in power during iraq and afghanistan invasions? Mar 04 08:08:26 09:05 < pupnik> it is the 60s generation! Mar 04 08:08:29 09:05 < pupnik> WHAT THE FUCK Mar 04 08:09:20 pupnik: not entirely sure what random politics is doing in here, heh Mar 04 08:09:46 bbl bus Mar 04 08:11:51 pupnik: hahahaha! Mar 04 08:11:58 even Jesus hated hypocrites :) Mar 04 08:14:10 09:12 < pupnik> if you think you can free the fuckin world in your pathetic Mar 04 08:14:18 09:12 < pupnik> PATHETIC Mar 04 08:14:20 09:12 < pupnik> tiny Mar 04 08:14:23 09:12 < pupnik> handful of years Mar 04 08:14:24 09:12 < pupnik> before you DIE Mar 04 08:14:25 09:12 < pupnik> you are wrong Mar 04 08:14:44 Obviously the only viable solution is to kill yourself. :P Mar 04 08:15:09 or live forever Mar 04 08:15:50 Or kill yourself and live forever. Mar 04 08:17:30 i don't buy that one. maybe after someone does a hands-on or a review of 'life after death' but until then it's vaporware as far as I'm concerned Mar 04 08:17:31 or kill forever and live yourself Mar 04 08:20:20 strange, it actually feels like spring today Mar 04 08:21:01 it snowed yesterday Mar 04 08:21:25 Spring? Mar 04 08:21:27 What's that? :P Mar 04 08:21:56 warmer temperatures, no snow, sun Mar 04 08:22:12 GeneralAntilles, pollen season Mar 04 08:22:24 Hehe Mar 04 08:22:57 yeah, i am already on a solid diet of antihistamines.. Mar 04 08:48:33 heya johnx, long time no see Mar 04 08:49:34 Morning, all Mar 04 08:49:48 Morning Jaffa. Mar 04 08:49:56 RST38h, yeah, been so busy in real life a heap of stuff piled up on my keyboard O_o Mar 04 08:55:38 johnx: If I had a package the wouldn't build in SDK, but then built in native..do I need to do anything to it? Mar 04 08:57:40 well, what does build log look like? Mar 04 08:57:47 there's a million ways it can go wrong :) Mar 04 09:04:54 johnx: not very specific. Said: dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. Mar 04 09:04:55 make: *** [clean] Error 1 Mar 04 09:05:08 in debian/compat change 7 to 5 Mar 04 09:05:35 okay. Should I rebuild it despite the normal native build? Mar 04 09:05:54 I can without problem. Just seeing what I'm supposed to be doing. Mar 04 09:06:01 :D Mar 04 09:06:13 only if you really want to test. :) Mar 04 09:06:25 tHere's a way to change your build so it uses the env deb stuff Mar 04 09:06:30 Instead of sbox Mar 04 09:06:54 But it's better not to rely on 7 features :) Mar 04 09:07:07 it is 6 Mar 04 09:07:35 changed to 5... Mar 04 09:07:52 will rebuild...heck, why not? Mar 04 09:08:35 * timelE61i pokes johnx Mar 04 09:08:49 since you're giving out dpkg help Mar 04 09:09:26 Do preinst and postrm get something that dynamically list the files to be installed/removed? Mar 04 09:10:57 timelE61i, I really couldn't tell you O_o Mar 04 09:11:24 * neatojones lets scratchbox continue to install on his desktop while he sleeps. Mar 04 09:11:51 Hehehe: http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20090303/bs_bw/feb2009tc20090228990934 Mar 04 09:12:30 RST38h, on /. it ran under the title 'smart immigrants are heading home' Mar 04 09:12:36 great implications :) Mar 04 09:13:09 johnx: yes, that is how it got into my rss reader Mar 04 09:13:35 johnx: I kinda suspect he is overblowing it though Mar 04 09:14:54 I wonder when Ars's alpha article will come. Mar 04 09:30:00 GeneralAntilles: Ask Ryan ;) Mar 04 09:30:35 X-Fade, he hang out in here? ;) Mar 04 09:31:55 GeneralAntilles: Dunno, but he's not a scary person or anything like that ;) You _can_ just ask him. Mar 04 09:32:36 Yes, but I'm incredibly lazy and it'd be easier to just wait it out than hunt down an email address or something. :P Mar 04 09:36:58 hEh Mar 04 09:37:24 hi Mar 04 09:38:46 'ey Mar 04 09:39:34 timelE61i, got any fun new blogs coming down the pipe? Mar 04 09:39:57 hRm... Mar 04 09:40:13 I have unpublished ones looking for an editor Mar 04 09:40:21 W/ an editor they could be published Mar 04 09:40:33 Grab the feed and add 1 to the latest Mar 04 09:40:52 Send me an email w/ notes and they can get out the door sooner Mar 04 09:41:41 There wouldn't be anything maemo5 in there and i really don't plan to blog about linguistic gaffs Mar 04 09:41:54 Except eventually to announce my localization Mar 04 09:42:06 - once someone helps me resolve unintstall Mar 04 09:42:19 * timelE61i pokes jeremiah Mar 04 09:47:23 * timelE61i ponders kindergarTen Mar 04 09:51:05 The city put some sort of traffic monitor in the road outside my window Mar 04 09:51:12 now it sounds like a car crash whenever a truck goes by. Mar 04 09:52:33 heh Mar 04 09:53:14 Crashes aren't uncommon in the extremely dangerous intersection out there, so it keeps hitting my adrenaline. . . . Mar 04 09:54:26 traffic monitor that sounds like a car crash? Mar 04 09:54:33 I think I'm missing something... Mar 04 09:54:46 johnx, I dunno, I haven't actually seen the damn thing yet. Mar 04 09:54:51 But it's putting me on edge. Mar 04 09:55:18 Some kind of doppler ranging device? Mar 04 09:55:34 it's probably just repeated traffic accidents Mar 04 09:55:46 Hehe Mar 04 09:57:03 It sounds like one of these for cars heading north: http://www.ci.knoxville.tn.us/images/engineering/traff_counter.jpg but one of these for cars heading south: http://blarg.hexplosion.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/800px-japanese_car_accident.jpg Mar 04 09:58:40 lol Mar 04 10:17:09 Hmm interesting concept: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MyFedora/Mockups#Package_Details Mar 04 10:17:23 hi, anybody here having slow responsiveness in the SDK due to graphics "acceleration"? Mar 04 10:17:27 or different color schemes Mar 04 10:18:05 Interesting indeed Mar 04 10:18:05 qgil_afk: I think lcuk has. Mar 04 10:18:11 Some sort of application karma thing, I guess? Mar 04 10:18:30 X-Fade: indeed cool concept Mar 04 10:18:31 GeneralAntilles: I'm trying to find out if they are using it to define "Quality". Mar 04 10:18:47 And if we can do automatic promotion based on karma given by users. Mar 04 10:19:23 lcuk: do you mind filing a bug (if nobody else has done before) so we can point other developers with the same/similar issues there and try to find what is going on? Mar 04 10:19:42 If 5 people say: WORKSFORME, it probably would be good enough to promote.. Mar 04 10:20:24 (i'll post this in the ITt thread alpha sdik to be sure Mar 04 10:20:53 qgil_afk: Yerga talked about it too, I think. Mar 04 10:21:21 thp talked about color inversion (gpodder) Mar 04 10:21:28 qgil_afk: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=268650&postcount=48 Mar 04 10:21:52 * timelE61i chuckles Mar 04 10:22:17 color inversion was real last i looked :) Mar 04 10:26:16 timelE61i, corrections away. Mar 04 10:34:09 can any body help me with this error "aclocal: configure.ac: 17: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library" Mar 04 10:34:46 missing development tools? Mar 04 10:34:56 do you have (the right version of) libtool installed? Mar 04 10:35:04 unfortunately, I cannot tell offhand what's the right version Mar 04 10:35:49 Stskeeps, I think our goal should be to have as many devices as possible running Maemo/Mer at the next Summit. ;) Mar 04 10:36:15 * johnx should get back to work :) Mar 04 10:39:23 Have we got a wiki page yet with declared candidates for the next election? Mar 04 10:39:29 thanks a lot - checking Mar 04 10:40:41 Jaffa, not yet. Mar 04 10:42:16 Jaffa, working on it now. Mar 04 10:42:26 GeneralAntilles: cool. Mar 04 10:44:40 Bleh, gotta kill the hard-wrapping from these emails Mar 04 10:45:36 where do i get to install libtool :) Mar 04 10:46:05 In Hell. Mar 04 10:46:10 =) Mar 04 10:47:16 fakeroot apt-get install, if we're talking about the sdk Mar 04 10:47:31 * timelE61i pokes the mail app Mar 04 10:47:38 ... but shouldn't it be preinstalled? Mar 04 10:47:50 gan: thx Mar 04 10:48:01 timelE61i, sure thing. Mar 04 10:49:55 libtool probably shouldn't Mar 04 10:50:49 Sadly, by running again I'm giving timsamoff another shot at the long walks on the beach line. . . . Mar 04 10:51:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Candidate_declarations_for_March_2009 Mar 04 10:53:43 The council consists of 5 people, right? Mar 04 10:53:49 Right Mar 04 10:54:07 Hmmm...lardman isn't running Mar 04 10:55:07 Hot Topics updated, too. Mar 04 11:03:21 [state-of-factly] Proposed Appmanager grid view still sucks. Mar 04 11:04:31 RST38h, feel free to propose something better Mar 04 11:04:36 There are two other options on that page Mar 04 11:04:56 My goal with that document was to avoid anything to radical to make it easy for Nokia to swallow. Mar 04 11:10:41 qgil_afk, sure, when i get home from work later ill create a bugzilla account on maemo with the same credentials as my maemo account and file a bug about it. Mar 04 11:10:59 but be warned: once i start being able to make bugs the floodgates may open :P Mar 04 11:11:08 "on maemo"? :P Mar 04 11:11:45 yeah gen, i never did get round to creating a bugzilla account Mar 04 11:12:19 So you're going to create it on your device, then? :P Mar 04 11:13:00 yay, flood me Mar 04 11:13:01 RST38h: It'd be better all integrated into one categorised hierarchy (necessary to support subcategories). But, that needs to be coded. Mar 04 11:14:56 Did anybody poke at the Application Manager in the alpha? Mar 04 11:14:58 How does it look? Mar 04 11:17:55 not yet personally.. hoping to prod jaffa to patch the mer one Mar 04 11:19:27 lcuk: and once you have a bugzilla account you could also let people file bugs against your beloved liqbase Mar 04 11:20:04 lcuk: sorry, I meant enhancement requests because I'm sure your software is unable to contain bugs :P Mar 04 11:20:08 timelE61i, inversed colors.. does fremantle target 32 bit ? cos it sounds a bit like an artefact of running xephyr with 16 bpp Mar 04 11:21:09 GeneralAntilles: what document for Nokia to swallow? Mar 04 11:21:43 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_the_Application_manager Mar 04 11:21:45 5 candidates only? I s the deadline closed? Mar 04 11:22:09 qgil_afk, you are right qgil, they are limitations outside my control which require hardware upgrades to cure :D Mar 04 11:22:48 GeneralAntilles: "Until we get more specifics on the new UI for Fremantle, let's set out some general features we'd like to see implemented. " have you got a look to the AM in the alpha sdk? Mar 04 11:23:01 actually there are not many changes as for yet Mar 04 11:23:01 qgil_afk: do you think it would be possible to get Mediawiki Subpages enabled on the normal article namespace in the wiki? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Subpages Mar 04 11:23:16 Myrtti: do you ask *me*? Mar 04 11:23:18 qgil_afk, nominations close on the 11th. Mar 04 11:23:24 qgil_afk: just wondering... Mar 04 11:23:38 no idea Myrtti, sorry Mar 04 11:23:54 atleast you in theory know better than me who to poke about it now that Jarmo is on holiday ;-) Mar 04 11:24:03