**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 12 02:59:56 2009 Mar 12 03:09:36 * IceFox16 trys booting into ubuntu to try to diagnose the exact problem Mar 12 03:19:39 hmm Mar 12 03:31:54 Hi, this is Derek Mar 12 03:32:21 Greetings gentlemen! Mar 12 03:32:50 Never used this before so not sure how it all works Mar 12 03:33:36 Hey, who's the weird guy named Addison here? *lol* Mar 12 03:33:52 An imposter! Mar 12 03:34:17 I never liked you! :) Mar 12 03:34:21 Who are you anyway? Mar 12 03:34:39 Still Derek from ITT Mar 12 03:34:57 You're Dfinch? Mar 12 03:35:21 Yup (you had some questions on Palm/Garnet install? Mar 12 03:35:46 Why on earth are you using my name? Weirdo. *lol* Mar 12 03:35:56 Yeah, I'd love to chat if you got a moment. Mar 12 03:36:28 Sure if I can be of help! Mar 12 03:36:37 Excellent! Mar 12 03:38:39 are all the people on the right 'listening' in? Mar 12 03:39:13 i dont know about the rest but i definitely am Mar 12 03:39:14 I think they all are campers or something. Don't know, I only come here about once every month or so. Mar 12 03:39:43 Hey Derek, check you private message box on the bottom of the screen. It should be highlighted red. Mar 12 03:39:53 ok. So did you try any of my suggestions - you haven't had much time I realise Mar 12 03:40:41 Yeah, I uninstalled and reinstalled Garnet VM. I'm still looking through the folders on my desktop trying to find exactly what I need to erase. Mar 12 03:40:59 This is too weird. I feel like I'm talking to myself. *lol* Mar 12 03:42:08 multiplayer notepad Mar 12 03:44:41 I don't put too much time into using the garnet vm cause I haven't heard anything about long term access beyond the time limited betas Mar 12 03:45:42 I'm just trying to put some med programs on it if possible. Bunason (sp?) seems to have made it work quite well. Mar 12 03:45:54 i am trying ti install rdiff-backup Mar 12 03:46:08 i used a debian repo Mar 12 03:46:31 and when i goto install it it depends python-support >-0.7.1 Mar 12 03:46:39 how do i update it Mar 12 04:12:59 damn it freaking rdiff Mar 12 05:21:36 I want to help with the pidgin icq issue. garage bug 3586. I don't have a build environment for maemo. But I have done a merge attempt based on the diffs between maemo-pidgin-2.5.1 and pidgin-2.5.1, applied to pidgin-2.5.5, merged the rejects, and have a tarball that might build on maemo Mar 12 05:22:17 I found http://stage.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/source/p/pidgin/pidgin_2.5.1-0nix2.tar.gz Mar 12 05:22:38 and I produced an equivalent pidgin_2.5.5-0nix2.tar.gz - anyone wants to try to build it? Mar 12 05:40:34 ... got disconnected. I realize that my source archive is not yet complete, because there are files that are only on one hand side of orig-pidgin and maemo-pidgin.... I'll at least attach that merge patch as a starting point Mar 12 05:52:07 * StsN800 tries to wake up, method coffee Mar 12 06:35:53 hello all, is this a support channel? Mar 12 06:36:22 depends on your issue Mar 12 06:36:36 Stskeeps: ping? Mar 12 06:37:06 i am trying to get diablo on my n800 and am failing Mar 12 06:37:46 i followed this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware and got this out error Write failed after 0 bytes Mar 12 06:37:49 usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable Mar 12 06:41:47 threethirty: did you flash as a root? Mar 12 06:42:06 i did as sudo should i do it as proper root? Mar 12 06:42:49 just did it as root and it still didnt work Mar 12 06:43:44 EHLO ALL Mar 12 06:44:24 sudo should work Mar 12 06:44:45 as long as the user has permissions to use usb devices Mar 12 06:45:11 im the only user, and i do Mar 12 06:51:16 for those who are thinking on my issue i also tried this http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=94459&postcount=2 and it fails at the second command on #14 with a similar error Mar 12 06:53:04 Meiz_n810: pong Mar 12 06:54:22 Meiz_n810: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; rm -rf ~/.osso/hildon-desktop should bring you new UI, but with problems still Mar 12 06:54:29 (and reboot) Mar 12 06:54:54 oh, and apt-get install marquee-plugins Mar 12 06:55:42 http://i.gizmodo.com/5167790/sixth-sense-technology-may-change-how-we-look-at-the-world-forever Mar 12 06:55:49 nokia needs to be on this bandwagon Mar 12 06:56:07 ~minute 4 Mar 12 06:56:41 hehe, interesting mix Mar 12 06:59:06 makes a lot of sense, but depends on high visibility projectors, the _idea_ has merit Mar 12 07:00:15 the main problem of pervasive/ubiqutious computing is the lack of infrastructure really Mar 12 07:00:19 one of the more coherent exhibit of the core ideals behind tomorrows integration Mar 12 07:01:18 Stskeeps: that is an imprecise statement Mar 12 07:01:36 yes, and i haven't had my coffee yet :P Mar 12 07:04:21 what i meant to say is the main difficulty of pervasive computing is the fact that there's no established standards for communication and interoperability, and the high initial cost of infrastructure to support a pervasive environment. the signs are there to see cheap pervasive computing infrastructure coming, beagleboards, tablets, sheevaplug, cloud computing, etc etc.. Mar 12 07:09:33 if you get too many groups standardizing to the exclusion of others, you risk raising the monopoly flag - on the other hand, if you have absolute competition you have no interoperability save for where there has been reverse engineering from the "followers of tech leaders" ; establishing a middle ground forces a new market to be created, in which standardization allows seperate groups to compete on realtively equal footing (the internet idea Mar 12 07:10:26 hence my emphasis of interoperability :) Mar 12 07:11:03 social communication is on the cusp here, technologies like jabber and now even transcellnetwork sms are securing a foundation to involve more context rich technologies as in twitter, et al. Mar 12 07:11:21 Stskeeps: I agree, interoperability has always shown to be a win win Mar 12 07:12:01 but some companies like monopolies, they think it brings the ultimate rewards - the short view of capatilism Mar 12 07:13:26 my personal belief is that modern healthcare services will help to push pervasive computing into the home though :P Mar 12 07:14:11 (though i'm a bit biased in that regard) Mar 12 07:14:45 you do medical software? Mar 12 07:15:19 working for a research center which deals with pervasive healthcare Mar 12 07:15:34 thats a tough gig Mar 12 07:16:06 but also very giving, we're making up technologies and try out research ideas that can help a wide range of people :P Mar 12 07:16:06 ok, there is lot of money in medical software business Mar 12 07:16:47 Stskeeps: how did you change the size of the marquee-panel? no matter what size i set in /etc/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf or .osso/hildon-desktop/desktop.conf, it's always the same 80px :( Mar 12 07:16:54 Meiz_n810: hmm. Mar 12 07:17:04 Meiz_n810: after upgrade? Mar 12 07:17:08 i fixed that bug i thought Mar 12 07:17:16 * fireun thinks all records should be identified by private key, and unlocked by several layers of biometric information not kept as phsiological data in the records themselves, or something to that effect Mar 12 07:17:18 i'll try again then Mar 12 07:17:50 fireun: it's a tough one.. because, who owns medical data about you? Mar 12 07:17:59 Stskeeps: exactly Mar 12 07:18:13 profiling->infinity Mar 12 07:18:14 let's say someone bases data on your actual blood, the person making the data then owns it? :P Mar 12 07:18:37 .. it gives an interesting perspective on advertisers making data about your behaviour Mar 12 07:18:41 Stskeeps: well, only if I release my information as public domain... Mar 12 07:18:50 and if I license its use, I should get a kickback Mar 12 07:19:05 my god, creative commons for blood. Mar 12 07:19:22 mining data on people is an industry to itself, and has little regulation (or even possibility to be regulated, other than to cut off the source) Mar 12 07:19:45 Stskeeps: hildon-theme-mobile-basic is ok theme i think Mar 12 07:19:49 :) Mar 12 07:19:56 Meiz_n810: it will probably break Mar 12 07:20:39 it didn't for me yesterday, i just had to add the fallback icon theme Mar 12 07:20:43 ah Mar 12 07:20:48 screenshots when you have time Mar 12 07:20:55 yes Mar 12 07:23:40 well ladies and gents im off to bed if anyone has any other ideas of what i can do just pm me im always somewhere on freenode, for those that have no idea what my issue was i blogged about it http://threethirty.us/2009/03/tried-to-flash-my-n800-to-diablo-tried.html Mar 12 07:23:48 thanks for the help i did get Mar 12 07:24:15 Meiz_n810: did you see the LWN article about Mer yet? Mar 12 07:24:41 nope Mar 12 07:24:44 url? Mar 12 07:29:16 anyone here use rdiff-backup Mar 12 07:29:18 on maemo Mar 12 07:29:24 nop Mar 12 07:32:36 how do you backup your n8x0 then Mar 12 07:33:20 .. rsync Mar 12 07:33:31 but Mar 12 07:33:33 but Mar 12 07:33:57 rdiff-backup allows you to keep backing up while using about the same space Mar 12 07:34:03 ah Mar 12 07:34:20 i've personally given up on maemo software porting, but that's just because i'm a fanatic :p Mar 12 07:34:27 ah Mar 12 07:34:30 so what do yo udo then Mar 12 07:34:37 using Mer :P Mar 12 07:34:49 whats that Mar 12 07:35:11 research / community hacker OS based on top of ubuntu, which means we have 90% of most ubuntu arm software :P Mar 12 07:35:18 ah nice Mar 12 07:35:19 but it's not ready for day-to-day usage yet Mar 12 07:35:25 right Mar 12 07:36:10 can i install it to mem card? Mar 12 07:36:32 yeah Mar 12 07:36:49 i am going to check out the wmdk Mar 12 07:37:51 seems interesting Mar 12 07:37:54 how does it run Mar 12 07:38:04 could run better obviously :) Mar 12 07:38:14 compared to os2008 Mar 12 07:38:15 lol Mar 12 07:38:55 but it's neat being able to just apt-get install abiword. Mar 12 07:38:56 :P Mar 12 07:39:05 i have abiword though Mar 12 07:39:06 lol Mar 12 07:39:16 yeah, but without having to rely on weird patches :) Mar 12 07:39:22 ah right Mar 12 07:39:23 or just apt-get install rdiff-backup ;) Mar 12 07:39:44 had to go there didnt you Mar 12 07:39:45 lol Mar 12 07:39:55 yup Mar 12 07:40:02 have you used rdiff before Mar 12 07:40:07 nop Mar 12 07:40:10 ah Mar 12 07:40:27 because i thought technically you shouldnt have to have it but apprently i am wrong Mar 12 07:44:00 oh fuck Mar 12 07:44:09 i have to compile qt4 natively cos of the fact it's c++ Mar 12 07:44:10 lovely Mar 12 07:44:22 hehehehe Mar 12 07:44:30 * Stskeeps glances at the beagleboard Mar 12 07:44:38 Why native compilation though? Mar 12 07:44:46 RST38h: our SDK messes up when it comes to C++ :/ Mar 12 07:45:03 and native can be defined as emulation too :P Mar 12 07:47:54 hmm tried to install ATHF statup images missing osso-icons Mar 12 07:48:16 within where? Mar 12 07:48:23 mer app manager Mar 12 07:48:32 yeah, we don't have the non-free nokia icons Mar 12 07:48:44 ah Mar 12 07:48:50 we have the extras added for experimentations sake Mar 12 07:51:26 a browser>? Mar 12 07:53:09 any mobile specific browser? Mar 12 07:54:04 fennec :P Mar 12 07:54:10 but it sucks Mar 12 07:54:13 but its slow Mar 12 07:54:23 i can run through the interwebs faster Mar 12 08:00:45 what really sucks is i have to find something to write about Mar 12 08:01:06 or more importantly want to write about then make a ppt of it and a biblio Mar 12 08:01:19 about technical writing Mar 12 08:01:23 or something correlated Mar 12 08:05:05 def not ready but great direction Mar 12 08:12:32 morning qwerty12 Mar 12 08:12:38 hi Stskeeps Mar 12 08:13:23 Morning, all Mar 12 08:13:30 mourning Mar 12 08:13:32 morning Jaffa, feeling better yet? Mar 12 08:13:34 hi Jaffa Mar 12 08:13:36 Morning Mar 12 08:13:48 and is it just me or was the voting supposed to be today, or did i misunderstand something? :P Mar 12 08:14:36 Stskeeps: I think the mails will go out today, yes. Mar 12 08:14:49 alright Mar 12 08:16:58 Heh, Rover shows it's head again ;) Mar 12 08:17:43 maemo-commits? Mar 12 08:17:49 yep Mar 12 08:18:25 what we don't know is if RX-51 = Rover or it's = RX-71 though Mar 12 08:18:49 Well, we know now that Rover has a SGX ;) Mar 12 08:19:17 yeah, but most OMAP3 does :P Mar 12 08:20:50 Stskeeps: Bit better, thanks Mar 12 08:22:13 Stskeeps: I think dneary said he'd send the emails around noon Mar 12 08:22:25 (assuming GMT, but maybe local noon) Mar 12 08:23:46 * Stskeeps is building qt for mer/x86 atm, heh Mar 12 08:24:00 and overnight i will build it in a qemu i think Mar 12 08:24:43 morning _BuBU Mar 12 08:28:23 X-Fade: Ain't they all going to have that? Mar 12 08:28:43 RST38h: You tell me ;) Mar 12 08:32:01 OMAP3430...hmmm Mar 12 08:38:17 heh, interesting - i never realized you could do a blanket service discovery through bluetooth Mar 12 08:38:32 as in find all services open Mar 12 08:39:15 Sts: Isn't it what BT scan does in your phone? :) Mar 12 08:39:44 RST38h: usually it just searches for phones Mar 12 08:40:34 oh but it can also check which services each bt devices exposes :) Mar 12 08:40:37 yeah Mar 12 08:40:46 the more thorough PC version of BT stack does that Mar 12 08:40:57 i just discovered bluetooth.find_service() in pybluez so :P Mar 12 08:44:47 joy! Mar 12 08:47:44 i found a way to twist a hw assignment to help me teach myself more backup techniques Mar 12 08:47:46 :) Mar 12 08:50:51 Morning Mar 12 08:51:00 Jaffa: Did that work yesterday? Mar 12 08:55:54 dneary: see email. Short answer: no; long answer: no, but I can solve the fuglyness Mar 12 08:56:18 Jaffa: Can you get it working? :) Mar 12 08:56:19 huh @ patrik flykt's statement Mar 12 08:57:26 dneary: I can try, but trying to catch up on the day job atm Mar 12 08:57:51 Stskeeps, wl1251, eh? :P Mar 12 08:57:54 qwerty12: yes Mar 12 08:57:55 wtf Mar 12 08:58:05 "On average, MIPS executes a little over twice as many instructions as the VAX, but the CPI for the Mar 12 08:58:09 VAX is almost six times the MIPS CPI, yielding almost a threefold performance advantage." Mar 12 08:58:14 Jaffa, hire an intern to take care of that Mar 12 08:58:17 qwerty12: it isn't a WL1251 in the N8x0 is it? Mar 12 08:58:39 Hehe Mar 12 08:59:02 Stskeeps, No, it's some STMicroelectronics chip Mar 12 08:59:08 yeah, i'd think so too Mar 12 08:59:43 770 has the STLC4370 and the N8x0 with the STLC4550 chip Mar 12 08:59:50 yeah, i know Mar 12 08:59:59 which makes patrik's statement more odd :P Mar 12 09:00:07 wl1251 couldn't possibly replace cx3110x Mar 12 09:00:18 Shadow__X: I've got underlings who Mar 12 09:00:24 He did say (sp)... Mar 12 09:00:37 ah Mar 12 09:00:38 ah Mar 12 09:02:42 Jaffa: OK, let's wait and see then Mar 12 09:25:04 hi Mar 12 09:25:38 hi Mar 12 09:25:42 does anybody worked to port maemo in not nokia phones/tablets like openmoko freerunner which has the same hardware as a n810? Mar 12 09:25:50 ~mer Mar 12 09:26:00 mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Mar 12 09:26:27 freerunner is a bit bad example since it's actually worse than a 770, instruction set wise :P Mar 12 09:26:57 :) happy to ear that someone is working on it :) Mar 12 09:27:05 yep, well you are right Mar 12 09:27:11 what hardware did you have in mind, besides the freerunner? Mar 12 09:27:12 but debian runs there too :) Mar 12 09:27:17 well Mar 12 09:27:32 for now freerunner and freerunner gta03 Mar 12 09:27:44 i'm Vincenzo Ampolo, it manager at eshopen.com Mar 12 09:27:53 we sell this devices in europe Mar 12 09:28:05 and we would like working on maemo on the freerunner Mar 12 09:28:20 zenvoid was working on similar, but the problem mainly lies in that mer is built for armv5te, whereas freerunner only does armv4t Mar 12 09:28:35 we -can- however build on top of debian-armel as well Mar 12 09:29:11 which is armv4t Mar 12 09:29:19 gta03 will be armv5 and we hope will be released Mar 12 09:29:25 at the end of the year Mar 12 09:29:28 ah Mar 12 09:29:36 it should be trivial to put mer on top of it Mar 12 09:29:41 :) Mar 12 09:29:52 thanks for the link you posted Mar 12 09:30:05 did you see the LWN article on Mer? Mar 12 09:30:12 no Mar 12 09:30:17 let me google for it Mar 12 09:30:18 lemme just paste you a link in private, sec Mar 12 09:30:51 some factual incorrect things in it but otherwise mostly correct Mar 12 09:31:01 Jaffa: Can you try another version now? Modifying HTML & sending, if it works, we'll go with it Mar 12 09:32:29 goshawk: we are also working on smaller-resolution interfaces Mar 12 09:32:31 armv5? In 2009? Mar 12 09:32:41 Who is OpenMoko kidding? Mar 12 09:32:55 goshawk: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/mer-ui-scalability/ Mar 12 09:33:38 GAN800: i think they will not respect the deadline too, but they said us so as distributors Mar 12 09:34:49 They gotta ship hardware that isn't 4 years behind current if they want to make any progress. I respect their ideals and all, but that's a bit silly. Mar 12 09:34:57 Stskeeps: thanks for the other link too Mar 12 09:35:06 how do you get the ti app to work Mar 12 09:35:18 i have a ti 89 and wouldnt mind having my n810 to work like it Mar 12 09:35:42 goshawk: but anyway, if devel boards start showing up, donations of one of those would be a good way to get Mer going on them, when time is :) Mar 12 09:35:53 Um? Install it. Start it. ? Mar 12 09:36:24 Stskeeps: how much dev boards do you think to need? Mar 12 09:36:30 how many Mar 12 09:36:38 goshawk: hehe, dunno, one is probably good enough for getting a port running :) Mar 12 09:37:16 when there was a linux kernel for my Pocket Loox 720, and X running, i pretty much had Mer going in a day Mar 12 09:38:06 uhm... i'll speak with my chief about a freerunner + a dev board Mar 12 09:38:21 to give to start a port Mar 12 09:38:23 alright, sounds interesting Mar 12 09:39:41 are you planning to put ubuntu as a base to mer after the release of ubunt ubuntu jaunty (armv5 support) ? Mar 12 09:39:50 we already have it as base :) Mar 12 09:39:58 we started with mojo handhelds distribution initially Mar 12 09:39:59 :) Mar 12 09:40:10 ah.. so it's the same team Mar 12 09:40:11 well done Mar 12 09:40:13 but we can compile hildon and maemo desktop on debian too for instance Mar 12 09:40:28 Stskeeps: mer xterm, how to stop cursor blinking and set matrix colors? Mar 12 09:40:39 hahlo: it's a todo, and patch gladly welcome Mar 12 09:40:50 ok Mar 12 09:40:54 goshawk: we have nothing directly to do with ubuntu nor mojo, but we do talk to them, and use their efforts Mar 12 09:41:02 ah.. Mar 12 09:41:12 can someone possible help me get rdiff backup on maemo 2008 Mar 12 09:41:16 mer is basically maemo but with the power of ubuntu Mar 12 09:41:16 just thought i missed some settings Mar 12 09:41:39 so you can grab most ubuntu apps you want Mar 12 09:42:05 can i get rdiff-backup without using mer? Mar 12 09:42:06 lol Mar 12 09:42:24 Shadow__X: if you donate stuff to qwerty12, probably Mar 12 09:42:24 :P Mar 12 09:42:36 Stskeeps: what about the closed parts of maemo? Mar 12 09:42:37 like what Mar 12 09:42:56 ctrl +ad seems to not work Mar 12 09:42:56 goshawk: well, the question is really what is closed that is usable.. Mar 12 09:43:02 hahlo: yeah, need patch Mar 12 09:43:09 ok Mar 12 09:43:14 goshawk: we are API compatible, but we can't put nokia closed stuff on a freerunner, obviously Mar 12 09:43:17 Jaffa: Mail sent Mar 12 09:43:26 If you get a second to test, I'd appreciate it Mar 12 09:43:33 goshawk: but when fremantle comes out the browser will be open source as well, but we also have Midori Mar 12 09:43:36 Stskeeps: of course, but are there core parts of the system that are closed source? Mar 12 09:44:02 goshawk: well, if you try out for example our VMDK, you see that the basic system, UI, etc, is open source Mar 12 09:44:12 and the main APIs Mar 12 09:44:21 * goshawk starts his qemu :) Mar 12 09:44:45 what is the relationship between mer and freesmartphone.org? Mar 12 09:45:01 none whatsoever currently Mar 12 09:45:19 but we can probably share components and such. Mar 12 09:45:32 we're always open for discussions and cooperation though Mar 12 09:45:33 dneary: will do Mar 12 09:46:21 (read: we haven't had to deal with phone stuff yet) Mar 12 09:46:48 Stskeeps: well, openmoko community did a framework called fso Mar 12 09:46:57 that is 100% freedesktop.org compatible Mar 12 09:47:00 yeah Mar 12 09:47:03 to deal with gsm Mar 12 09:47:09 sounds good Mar 12 09:47:14 oops freesmartphone.org Mar 12 09:47:32 and it's in a debian repository of the debian port for freerunner.. Mar 12 09:47:40 *nod* Mar 12 09:47:51 then it is probably easily adaptable to mer Mar 12 09:48:21 yep, it is just a framework that uses dbus... nothing more, very easy Mar 12 09:48:42 it would be stupid to reinvent the wheel for us, at least :) Mar 12 09:49:10 well... Mar 12 09:49:30 ok now i've to go... tomorrow we will have a meeting with the chiefs Mar 12 09:49:35 yep Mar 12 09:49:41 if you have additional questions, feel free to prod me Mar 12 09:49:42 i'll point out the proposal of putting mer on a freerunner Mar 12 09:50:02 and starting working giving to the mer community a dev board + a freerunner Mar 12 09:50:36 see you and thanks for all the answers you gave me Mar 12 09:50:39 cya Mar 12 09:51:05 http://pastebin.ca/1358888 Mar 12 09:51:15 can someone help me with that issue Mar 12 09:57:32 any ideas? Mar 12 09:58:36 Shadow__X: you have SDK repo on your tablet? Mar 12 09:58:53 Stskeeps: Marquee-plugins is needed for the new ui, right? (dist-upgrade didn't install it) Mar 12 09:58:59 Meizirkki: yup Mar 12 09:59:05 tnx Mar 12 09:59:57 Stskeeps, i was trying to install rdiffbackup so i threw a debian repo in there Mar 12 10:00:00 and a bora repo Mar 12 10:00:28 Shadow__X: ah. bad idea :P Mar 12 10:00:49 Stskeeps, yes now i know this lol Mar 12 10:00:53 where do i go from here Mar 12 10:04:02 how do i deselect 2 packages Mar 12 10:04:23 good morning Mar 12 10:04:24 dpkg --remove? :P Mar 12 10:04:58 hi there, anyone got a pidgin 2.5.5 package for maemo? Mar 12 10:08:00 Stskeeps, http://pastebin.ca/1358898 Mar 12 10:08:03 how about now Mar 12 10:08:05 funny guy Mar 12 10:08:13 Shadow__X: ow Mar 12 10:08:17 Shadow__X: reflash time Mar 12 10:08:18 mhm Mar 12 10:08:20 wha Mar 12 10:08:25 no seriously comon Mar 12 10:09:22 or reinstall libgcc1 deb Mar 12 10:09:28 ok Mar 12 10:09:30 i can do that Mar 12 10:09:49 where should i go for that Mar 12 10:09:50 lol Mar 12 10:09:51 the real one Mar 12 10:09:57 dont want to mess it up AGAIN Mar 12 10:10:14 when you fiddle with repositories any damage caused is your own fault though :P Mar 12 10:10:49 oh yeas i know Mar 12 10:11:00 i am not denying this truth Mar 12 10:12:41 remove all other repositories than the nokia ones and update ones, and apt-get clean; apt-get autoclean; apt-get install --reinstall libgcc1 Mar 12 10:13:20 hmm all of them Mar 12 10:13:21 ? Mar 12 10:13:24 i have like 50 Mar 12 10:13:29 .. Mar 12 10:13:38 well there's the probable reason your tablet is keeling over Mar 12 10:14:00 the reason its messing up is because i added bora from maemo and a debian one Mar 12 10:14:11 and it didnt like my ignorance Mar 12 10:14:19 mm. Mar 12 10:15:21 i think all is not lost though Mar 12 10:15:28 i believe i can fix it Mar 12 10:23:14 morning Mar 12 10:23:19 morning lardman Mar 12 10:25:21 hi Stskeeps Mar 12 10:25:58 Stskeeps, cant run --reinstall Mar 12 10:26:16 Reinstallation of libgcc1 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Mar 12 10:26:16 You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Mar 12 10:26:22 well then Mar 12 10:26:27 reflash time :P Mar 12 10:27:34 aww shucks Mar 12 10:30:59 morning timelE61i Mar 12 10:31:31 the mad scientist Mar 12 10:32:35 "Interviewer: Is there any reason why you chose to personally lobotomize the subject using a railroad spike driver? It seems that the sniper could have done so from a distance." Mar 12 10:32:52 hehe Mar 12 10:33:19 "Clef: Therapy." Mar 12 10:35:44 "...and was slated for termination, as subject's violent tendencies make him a less useful example of this type than the Foundation's other examples..." Mar 12 10:36:43 Shadow__X, it's called: Mar 12 10:36:51 ~extras Mar 12 10:36:52 extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Mar 12 10:37:21 GAN800, what do you mean Mar 12 10:37:25 rdiff is in extras? Mar 12 10:37:55 Don't add every freaking repo you can lay your hands on. Mar 12 10:38:08 and why not Mar 12 10:38:09 lol Mar 12 10:38:12 That's stupid and leads to situations like this. Mar 12 10:38:23 right Mar 12 10:38:30 They aren't Pokemon, you don't need to collect them all. Mar 12 10:39:16 Enable Extras, then go from there if there's anything SPECIFIC you have to have. Mar 12 10:39:21 but they all look so tempting esp shoe Mar 12 10:39:47 Besides, somebody already collected 'em all for you (see Gronmayer) Mar 12 10:40:03 Don't just immediately add every repo you can find (or, at least, don't do so expecting anybody else to bail you out when it all goes wrong). Mar 12 10:40:24 GAN800, i gotcha Mar 12 10:47:07 GAN800, is there a way to delete libgcc1 Mar 12 10:50:09 GAN800, with those damned .install files its all too easy to add in repos. Mar 12 10:50:37 lol Mar 12 10:50:53 thats not why i messed up Mar 12 10:50:59 looking for rdiff-backup Mar 12 10:51:02 messed me up Mar 12 10:53:10 no Shadow__X you are just a pokemon collector as gan says, im on about not knowing what sources they are from Mar 12 10:53:34 hmm Mar 12 10:54:36 the shiny green .install link makes maemo appear like windows, click this download this install this. people dont realise it adds the repos which mess up other things Mar 12 10:54:56 lcuk, yes i know that Mar 12 10:55:06 but believe it or not THOSE repos didnt mess it up Mar 12 10:55:12 i know Mar 12 10:55:24 i know its my fault Mar 12 10:55:34 WE know its your fault as well Mar 12 10:55:41 eh Mar 12 10:55:43 :D Mar 12 10:55:56 can it be cured Mar 12 10:56:11 i am working on it Mar 12 10:56:19 cant boot ito it anymore Mar 12 10:56:27 i am on the original install now Mar 12 10:56:40 not the 2 gig install mem Mar 12 10:57:16 ahh Mar 12 10:57:33 * lcuk vanishes again, hope you sort it shadow Mar 12 10:57:44 yeah thanks Mar 12 10:57:45 as do i Mar 12 10:57:57 you know a repo with rdiff Mar 12 11:10:20 is there a way to mount my mem card and delete the errored package Mar 12 11:11:47 morning b-man Mar 12 11:12:32 morning Stskeeps :) Mar 12 11:12:56 read the lwn article on mer yet? Mar 12 11:13:33 not yet Mar 12 11:13:37 * b-man checks Mar 12 11:14:00 there's a subscriber link on iTT as well Mar 12 11:14:26 is there a way to do what i want? Mar 12 11:16:25 b-man, i ruined my install it wont boot anymore i went back to my original install is there a way to fix the install thats on the 2gb memcard while on the internal mem install Mar 12 11:16:26 ? Mar 12 11:17:50 hallo Mar 12 11:18:21 morning jeremiah_ Mar 12 11:18:28 mourning jeremiah_ Mar 12 11:18:36 qwerty: Nice script. :) Mar 12 11:18:48 Hey Stskeeps, Shadow__X :) Mar 12 11:19:03 I installed synergy from the deb I built in my scratchbox Mar 12 11:19:16 but I cannot install it on the NIT because of dependency issues. Mar 12 11:19:36 I don't understand why there are tools in the scratchbox that are not in the NIT Mar 12 11:20:34 * b-man needs to go to school now, Shadow_X, i'll help you on that later Mar 12 11:21:16 Stskeeps: i dist-upgrade, and Mer fails to boot :( Mar 12 11:21:26 now happened 4 times in a row :( Mar 12 11:21:56 it might have something to do with SegFault during console-setup configuration Mar 12 11:22:47 jeremiah: NIT has only got 256MB / Mar 12 11:23:09 jeremiah: do du on your SB environment and weep Mar 12 11:25:06 Meiz_n810: mm, sucks Mar 12 11:28:15 hmm Mar 12 11:38:28 RST38h: So there _are_ things missing on the NIT? I suppose then I just have to take them from the sb environment and pull them over. Mar 12 11:38:36 No big deal really. Mar 12 11:38:49 jeremiah_: welcome to maemo Mar 12 11:38:50 :P Mar 12 11:39:03 Stskeeps: I blame you ! :) Its Mer's fault! Mar 12 11:39:25 once you've gone Mer, you can't go back Mar 12 11:39:25 :P Mar 12 11:39:34 A little bit of press and all of a sudden you are a big shot! :P Mar 12 11:39:37 sheesh Mar 12 11:39:41 hehe, kidding ;) Mar 12 11:39:47 he me too Mar 12 11:39:52 maemo has advantages in some things Mar 12 11:40:09 Stskeeps: I am just joking with you, you know that right? Mar 12 11:40:19 emoticons are not good at representing sarcasm Mar 12 11:40:57 jeremiah_: yup Mar 12 11:41:06 Cool :) Mar 12 11:41:17 Yeah, the environment has to be small, that I understand Mar 12 11:41:41 hehe.. my main gripe is really that.. well, sure, it has to be small, but not -too- small :P Mar 12 11:41:41 But those inconsistencies are a bit of hassle when you have some tools in sb and are missing them on the NIT itself. Mar 12 11:41:54 yeah Mar 12 11:42:13 Then again, is synergy something that a lot of people will install? I dunno Mar 12 11:42:34 * Stskeeps waits idly for voting token Mar 12 11:43:04 * jeremiah_ looks out the window at snow outside Mar 12 11:45:50 Pavlov: Ping Mar 12 11:46:14 Pavlov: If there is something I can do to get Fennec into maemo, please let me know - I am happy to help Mar 12 11:46:18 * thresh is hilited Mar 12 11:47:50 * Myrtti thinks there's something very profoundly funny about pinging "Pavlov" Mar 12 11:48:12 * RST38h does not even know what Synergy is Mar 12 11:48:42 mouse/keyboard sharing thingie? Mar 12 11:50:27 RST38h: Yepper! Mar 12 11:50:40 Myrtti: woof woof woof! Mar 12 11:50:40 cool Mar 12 11:51:01 Would be interesting to find out oif the keyboard latency bug shows up with synergy as well Mar 12 11:51:15 sure keyboard latency isn't a HIM issue, btw? Mar 12 11:51:51 * RST38h does not know and nokia engineers seem to be elusive about this Mar 12 11:51:56 i'm not entirely sure but i think i might see it on i386 too.. Mar 12 11:51:57 :P Mar 12 11:53:07 It does appear to happen with both BT and USB keyboards. Not sure about the virtual one because it is so slow to type on anyway Mar 12 11:53:35 well BT and USB goes in through HIM anyway Mar 12 11:54:35 lo vdvsx Mar 12 11:54:54 hi Stskeeps Mar 12 11:55:31 Stskeeps, do you already voted ? hurry up :P Mar 12 11:55:44 VDVsx: voting now :P Mar 12 11:56:29 voted :P Mar 12 11:56:30 hi fellows Mar 12 11:56:35 wello Mar 12 11:56:49 all i'm getting from the SIP client is "network error" when trying to connect to ekiga.net (other SIP accounts work fine) Mar 12 11:57:01 can I somehow get a more detailed error from a log file or something ? Mar 12 11:57:08 so Iget a decent chance at troubleshooting this Mar 12 11:58:05 ohhhhhh, http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/03/10/caption-contest-cricket-builds-the-worlds-largest-cellphone/ Mar 12 11:59:06 RST38h, how much latency are you seeing? Mar 12 12:00:13 VDVsx: read the Mer article yet? :) Mar 12 12:00:27 Stskeeps, yup Mar 12 12:00:45 dneary: hum, Peter can't select candidates with Firefox in Windows. I have no problems with Epiphany in Ubuntu Mar 12 12:00:53 Stskeeps, with the ipkg's :) Mar 12 12:01:07 VDVsx: yeah. hmm :P Mar 12 12:01:18 * Stskeeps didn't claim ipkgs anywhere Mar 12 12:02:20 qgil: I just voted with Firefox 3.0 in Windows Mar 12 12:02:42 lcuk: from .5s to 2s Mar 12 12:02:42 qgil: It requires JavaScript, so if that's off for whatever reason (e.g. NoScript or Adblock) Mar 12 12:03:03 I'll ask, thanks Jaffa Mar 12 12:03:10 firefox 3 in ubuntu works fine too Mar 12 12:03:12 silly question, why didn't you just go for text field with number of preference? :P Mar 12 12:03:15 next to every candidate Mar 12 12:03:32 or "priority" Mar 12 12:04:15 Stskeeps: I guess because then there's a validation framework to write Mar 12 12:04:30 qgil: It worked for me in Firefox 3. Mar 12 12:05:48 RST38h, normally or with specific things/ Mar 12 12:06:27 i just voted with firefox 1.5 in windows Mar 12 12:06:30 lcuk: normally although having a lot of ui elements on screen makes it worse Mar 12 12:07:08 of course it does, there is so much bottleneck things get sidetracked, as a test put your cpu into performance and see how much of a difference it makes Mar 12 12:07:53 so, no chance to get something more detail as far as SIP errors go ? Mar 12 12:08:07 detailed* Mar 12 12:08:23 seb, have you run your sip client from the command line and checked its output Mar 12 12:08:40 lcuk: it's the default one, i'm not even sure what its name is :\ Mar 12 12:09:12 does the domain exist from your tablet Mar 12 12:09:33 yeah, it definitely does Mar 12 12:09:55 how have you confirmed it? Mar 12 12:10:11 pinging it Mar 12 12:11:06 is the tablet the only place you use sip stuff or have you got another machine to test it from Mar 12 12:11:49 i have another debian box where it works fine (same ekiga account) Mar 12 12:12:14 on that machine, ekiga recommends I use an stun server, which I've happily set for my ekiga account on the tablet as well Mar 12 12:12:31 that stun server does exist too, since another of my SIP accounts use that same one on the table without any problems Mar 12 12:13:27 pass then unfortunately Mar 12 12:13:40 by guys and good luck with the voting :), gonna rest a little bit for another round of interviews :P Mar 12 12:14:04 lcuk: ok Mar 12 12:14:09 interviews? Mar 12 12:14:10 lcuk: thanks for trying :) Mar 12 12:14:47 Stskeeps, stranges things happens in my live :P Mar 12 12:14:56 hehe, okay Mar 12 12:17:08 lcuk: it really should not lag though Mar 12 12:17:18 lcuk: Not with CPU at 0% load Mar 12 12:19:25 RST38h, ive always taken it and seen from experience as: if the cpu doesnt think it needs to scale up, then the "normal" drawing operations go much slower and saturate whatever needs saturating Mar 12 12:20:42 * RST38h remembers trying it at full clock, still lags Mar 12 12:21:07 Try playing a game (there is a space shooter whose name I do not remember) using external keyboard Mar 12 12:21:13 You will see how impossible it is Mar 12 12:26:52 jeremiah_: ok, ill ping you shortly Mar 12 12:27:32 Stskeeps, because that's a pain in the ass. Mar 12 12:27:42 hehe Mar 12 12:27:44 Stskeeps, "Why can't I put a 2 in this box?" Mar 12 12:28:16 Stskeeps, this is the most elegant and pain free implementation of ranking in any web form I've seen yet. Mar 12 12:31:20 Stskeeps, maybe Patrik was just confusing the two open source drivers? Mar 12 12:31:25 probably Mar 12 12:47:15 hmm, I can't see candidates in Konqueror/4.1.4 Mar 12 12:47:23 Firefox/2.0.0.16, Firefox/3.2a1pre, Opera/9.63 are fine Mar 12 12:54:08 Time to get creative: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=271100 Mar 12 12:56:35 oh, looks like I had js disabled in konq for whatever I was testing once upon a time Mar 12 12:56:50 * sp3000 files a bug, the vote ui should warn Mar 12 12:58:19 * Jaffa suggested to dneary that the page should include "does not work in IE" and "requires JS" Mar 12 13:01:51 Jaffa: I can include a mention, it'll be a one-time hack. Mar 12 13:02:03 (or, in fact, could stay there for other elections too) Mar 12 13:02:10 well, usually you remove the js warning using js Mar 12 13:02:35 sp3000: How does that work if js isn't working? Mar 12 13:02:39 One time hack is fine. Next council election we could start work on a working version earlier Mar 12 13:02:48 dneary: ... Mar 12 13:03:05 it works perfectly, the warning remains in place when appropriate Mar 12 13:03:16 dneary: This page requires JavaScript Mar 12 13:05:09 Or should work Mar 12 13:06:08 * sp3000 forgot about