**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 22 02:59:57 2009 Mar 22 03:14:20 ~seen xnt Mar 22 03:14:22 xnt is currently on #maemo (2h 31m 12s), last said: 'rebooting...'. Mar 22 03:14:32 :P Mar 22 03:19:40 Anybody up for helping me out a bit? Mar 22 03:20:38 with what? >.< Mar 22 03:21:15 I'm messing with my nokia n810 and I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm trying to get ROMS onto it to use with the VGBA emulator and I don't know where to put them. Mar 22 03:22:36 hello, z4chh Mar 22 03:23:26 * FireFox16 is in the middle of attempting to make his own linux distribution from scratch :) Mar 22 03:23:38 So does anybody know what to do? Mar 22 03:24:13 /home/user/MyDocs should work fine Mar 22 03:24:30 FireFox16, very nice, LFS? Mar 22 03:24:44 yes :) Mar 22 03:25:00 Well, I plug it in with the USB cord it came with, and it comes up with a set of folders that I can't even see from inside of the device. I don't know how to get to the folders that the OS uses. Mar 22 03:26:25 you probably see your sd cards Mar 22 03:26:30 you can put the files on there to Mar 22 03:27:00 and then when you open the file with the emulator...browse to either interal memory card or external memory card Mar 22 03:27:40 No, I don't have one in there right now. Basically VGBA is looking at just the nokia thing itself, and it lists "documents, games," etc and folders like that, but it doesn't list SD cards or anything Mar 22 03:27:59 and when I plug it in it gives me a set of folders I don't see on the device anywhere Mar 22 03:28:40 * FireFox16 is getting annoyed by gcc extraction issues >.< Mar 22 03:30:21 what folders do you see? Mar 22 03:30:51 i always use scp to transfer files >.< Mar 22 03:31:09 Well maybe I should try that then Mar 22 03:31:25 how do I do that Mar 22 03:32:45 do you have sshd running? (openssh installed?) Mar 22 03:33:19 Haha I have no idea what that means, I'm a windows user and this nokia is the only linux based device I've ever come into contact with Mar 22 03:33:31 heh Mar 22 03:33:42 Which is why I have no idea what I'm doing Mar 22 03:33:48 :) Mar 22 03:33:49 and why I figured you guys could help :) Mar 22 03:33:59 lol Mar 22 03:34:57 install maemo openssh server package, use winscp or putty scp from windows machine to transfer file Mar 22 03:35:41 Sweet, I'll try that. Mar 22 03:35:48 thanks Mar 22 03:36:27 i imagine you'll also have to create a user before doing that Mar 22 03:36:48 i don't actually own any of the nokia devices yet, just researching right now :) Mar 22 03:52:26 So how do I connect to the n810 with PuTTY? Mar 22 03:56:00 back to your original question ... the file manager hides the files inside ( like in windows hiding the files on c:) and only shows you the files in /home/user/.MyDocs (I think) Mar 22 03:56:12 Fledge1 Mar 22 03:57:00 VGBA gives me these folders to look through for roms Mar 22 03:57:18 Audio Clips Mar 22 03:57:18 Documents Mar 22 03:57:18 Games Mar 22 03:57:18 Images Mar 22 03:57:18 Video Clips Mar 22 03:57:19 Shared Folders Mar 22 03:57:34 and then when I plug it in with usb, all that's in the drive that pops up is Mar 22 03:57:40 do you have a sd/microsd ? Mar 22 03:57:52 .apt-archive-cache, backups, map, tmp, video, videocenter, .swap Mar 22 03:58:15 I have an SD card right next to me but I don't think it fits those Mar 22 03:59:36 well when you plug it in with usb, it looks like you have a microsd card insde right now Mar 22 03:59:48 is it? Mar 22 04:00:00 No, there's nothing in it Mar 22 04:00:40 On stuff I read there was mention of an internal memory card and an external memory card Mar 22 04:00:41 ive never pluged mine into my usb port on pc except to flash it Mar 22 04:00:51 same Mar 22 04:00:51 :D Mar 22 04:01:02 What would you suggest for the roms then Mar 22 04:01:09 Do I need a microsd? Mar 22 04:01:38 Fledge1, make a windows shared folder and on your n810, it should be under "Shared Folders" Mar 22 04:02:02 shared folder on your desktop pc running windows xp Mar 22 04:02:24 Alright, and then afterwards is there a way to pull them from the shared folder onto the device? Mar 22 04:02:37 drag and drop from the file manager Mar 22 04:03:02 or select the files you want to copy, pick copy from menu, then paste where you want Mar 22 04:03:18 ok Mar 22 04:19:37 hey folks Mar 22 04:21:50 hi Mar 22 04:23:22 hello, jeam Mar 22 04:26:27 * FireFox16 really needs to sleep -_- Mar 22 04:26:29 g'night all Mar 22 05:07:59 so... are there are any alternative OSes available for the N810 that are suitable for general use yet? Mar 22 05:08:07 or even casual use? Mar 22 05:09:59 lol... good to see this in a howto: "Warning: This would save your data only, you'd get killed either way. If the data is more important than your life it would be stupid for you to rely on the information presented in this amateur document." Mar 22 08:21:09 Morning, all Mar 22 08:21:35 morning Jaffa Mar 22 09:14:17 fLedge: so... The n800 had two mmc slots. And usb behaviors relate to it Mar 22 09:15:04 For the n810, one of those slots was replaced by a non-removable media Mar 22 09:15:52 This is partially to simplify how things like maps work Mar 22 09:17:33 maps would never fit on the "root filesystem", instead by default they're stored on that non-removable volume Mar 22 09:18:25 however my OS never really fit 250MB of the internal anyway, so i had to install on the 2GB internal card my OS Mar 22 09:18:30 The same general restrictions apply to the other folders you see when you plug your device in w/ usb Mar 22 09:18:42 i would not be surprised if anyone else did it Mar 22 09:20:01 tHe last important detail is that whichever "drives" are exposed over usb are not available to the device until it disconnects. Mar 22 09:20:46 Can you imagine what would happen if that applied to the root file system? Mar 22 09:22:11 oH... One other fun detail... Mar 22 09:24:42 /home/user/MyDocs is the basic root of what you see in the tablet's filepicker. But the tablet is multi-lingual, so if you asked it to speak Finnish, it wouldn't show you a folder named "Games". The real folder's name is .games Mar 22 09:25:14 And the display name for the folder is controlled by a translator Mar 22 10:00:08 morning MoonTiger Mar 22 10:00:23 hey!! :) Mar 22 10:00:30 just got back from the coast Mar 22 10:00:38 got to pack ready to move there in 2 weeks Mar 22 10:00:43 :) Mar 22 10:01:07 hehe, sounds like a good plan Mar 22 10:01:20 yah we found a place ON the beach Mar 22 10:02:07 :) Mar 22 10:06:08 Was there ever a more appropriately named company than Urban Tool? Mar 22 10:07:06 hey lcuk Mar 22 10:07:09 :) Mar 22 10:07:21 hiya MoonTiger \o hows tricks Mar 22 10:07:56 just told Stskeeps ... im moving to the seaside in 2 weeks ... living ON the beach :) Mar 22 10:08:01 cant get much better Mar 22 10:09:06 itooh not bad Mar 22 10:09:21 -it Mar 22 10:09:30 yah madrid didn't work for me Mar 22 10:09:35 so the south coast it is Mar 22 10:09:41 are you living in a real house or a beachshack Mar 22 10:09:59 a real apartment with 2 bedrooms and all that stuff ... can get dsl there Mar 22 10:10:03 has electricity Mar 22 10:10:06 :) Mar 22 10:10:15 BCN? :) Mar 22 10:10:26 heh, and at high tide you even have running water :D Mar 22 10:10:37 haha Mar 22 10:10:55 its literally 25yds from the ocean Mar 22 10:11:09 up a high enough bank that flooding should be no worries Mar 22 10:11:15 invest in a snorkle Mar 22 10:11:16 besidea we're on the 1st floor Mar 22 10:11:25 0 based? Mar 22 10:11:30 yup Mar 22 10:11:31 :) Mar 22 10:12:44 you can see some pics of the town on my website ... gagfoot.com/lauren Mar 22 10:13:50 wow Mar 22 10:15:12 cool huh? Mar 22 10:15:16 yes Mar 22 10:15:30 you're moving into the amphitheatre !!??!! Mar 22 10:15:38 haha yah Mar 22 10:15:51 thats actually cartagena ... we're moving to almeria Mar 22 10:16:06 we are members of couchsurfing.com so we travel around Mar 22 10:16:13 and we let ppl come stay for free too Mar 22 10:16:50 i think crashanddie is a couchsurfer too Mar 22 10:17:02 awesome Mar 22 10:17:33 sounds like a fun way to live Mar 22 10:17:41 or at least a cheap holiday Mar 22 10:17:56 cheap holidays for us Mar 22 10:18:01 * Stskeeps notes to himself he doesn't understand hildon desktop theming anymore. Mar 22 10:18:02 and we get to meet cool ppl Mar 22 10:18:25 * lcuk notes to himself he never understood hildon theming Mar 22 10:18:44 is it the theme, or the desktop app using the theme thats the problem Mar 22 10:19:04 not entirely sure Mar 22 10:19:13 whats goin wrong Mar 22 10:23:45 just the background of the app switcher buttons Mar 22 10:23:56 we're slightly molesting the existing app switcher so Mar 22 10:33:30 Hello ! Mar 22 10:34:36 hey Mar 22 10:38:38 hey khertan! :) Mar 22 10:53:44 hi, do you happen to know whom to ask for help with maemo wiki? I'm unable to login there with my garage creds. Mar 22 10:55:09 hmm, probably X-Fade and co Mar 22 10:55:39 thanks Mar 22 10:56:53 another question: where GSoc ideas are suppose to be discussed? I only found couple of messages in maemo-developers ml. Is there any special place for that or students are just not interested? Mar 22 10:57:11 * Stskeeps pokes VDVsx for that Mar 22 10:58:49 edbartosh, here is a good place, the ML is also a good place Mar 22 11:00:39 lardman|gone, lcuk, fill your GSoC mentor profile asap, some changes will happens tomorrow :) Mar 22 11:04:16 VDVsx: where to fill it? Mar 22 11:05:44 edbartosh, if you are a GSoC mentor, you should have instructions for that in your e-mail :) Mar 22 11:06:13 Not yet. But I'd like to be. What should I do? Mar 22 11:06:55 edbartosh, is a little bit late now :( Mar 22 11:07:11 Oops. Why? Mar 22 11:08:10 check you the GSoC timeline: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline Mar 22 11:08:25 s/you/out Mar 22 11:08:31 grrr Mar 22 11:09:10 Mentoring organization application deadline -> 13 March Mar 22 11:09:44 I can see only deadline for mentoring organization, not for mentors. Mar 22 11:10:04 edbartosh, but if you are a mentor for other org, you can also join us Mar 22 11:10:17 VDVsx: i see a 15 apr deadline that may apply better? i dunno Mar 22 11:10:21 I'm not. I'd like to be a mentor for maemo. Mar 22 11:11:09 I have an idea and would like to add it to maemo GSoc ideas list and so on. Mar 22 11:11:21 edbartosh, I can try to do something Mar 22 11:12:21 edbartosh: openssh port is much appreciated btw :) Mar 22 11:12:30 Just in case it's needed. I'm long term maemo-community member. Mar 22 11:12:58 Stskeeps: Thanks. How about evince and autobuilder :)? Mar 22 11:13:17 edbartosh: hehe, i've never touched evince and autobuilder is a good thing too ;) Mar 22 11:13:59 edbartosh, pm ? Mar 22 11:14:03 * Stskeeps continues hacking away at hildon-desktop Mar 22 11:14:49 VDVsx: gtalk? Mar 22 11:15:25 edbartosh: I'm here.. Mar 22 11:15:28 edbartosh, vdv 100 at gmail com Mar 22 11:15:37 Hi edbartosh :) Mar 22 11:15:42 VDVsx: OK. bartosh at gmail.com Mar 22 11:15:53 suihkulokki: Hi Mar 22 11:16:13 I think the Apr 15th (when proposals are sent to google) is the deadline for mentors Mar 22 11:16:39 Atleat that would match the case laste year (I was mentoring in debian project) Mar 22 11:17:40 Cool, I'm not late then! Mar 22 11:17:46 suihkulokki, nop, who review the proposals and select them in that case ? :P Mar 22 11:18:21 wazd: Hi! Mar 22 11:18:36 edbartosh: oh! Hello there!) Mar 22 11:19:44 morning waz Mar 22 11:19:45 d Mar 22 11:20:19 wazd: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui2.png , http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png Mar 22 11:20:35 (warning: work in progress) Mar 22 11:23:39 http://lotro.ucoz.ru/omw_demo.html Mar 22 11:23:46 working demo! xD Mar 22 11:24:12 Pretty :) Mar 22 11:24:36 It can't load weather from the website but beleive me it really works on my desktop) Mar 22 11:24:57 I'll try to figure out why there's the problem Mar 22 11:25:00 VDVsx: mentoring organization (so some mentors have to be signed up already) Mar 22 11:26:24 Spent whole day learning ActionScript 3 :) Mar 22 11:29:02 hello all~ Mar 22 11:29:12 Stskeeps, what's the word on hardware keyboard detection? Mar 22 11:29:30 Stskeeps: well, I think close button on the right is too far away from right border :) Mar 22 11:29:42 GeneralAntilles: hmm? Mar 22 11:29:46 derkaiser: hello Mar 22 11:30:05 wazd: yeah, there's something weird going on, it's very appearant on one of the screenshots Mar 22 11:30:25 Stskeeps, well, it's kinda a pain having the vkb pop up all over the place on a device that has a hardware keyboard and doesn't have a touchscreen. ;) Mar 22 11:30:33 GeneralAntilles: ah, yes Mar 22 11:31:21 at least the enter button works now in that scenario, heh Mar 22 11:32:14 GeneralAntilles: the problem is really that all the things we assume to be normal maemo behaviour of VKB is actually closed source :P Mar 22 11:32:24 so someone needs to step up and work on replacements Mar 22 11:32:40 Bleh, that Mar 22 11:32:41 .. or wait for a thumb keyboard Mar 22 11:32:47 's obnoxious Mar 22 11:33:39 The h-i-m open sourcing was less generous than it was made out to be then, eh? ;) Mar 22 11:34:06 We should harass them about it a bit Mar 22 11:35:26 well the framework is fine Mar 22 11:36:29 hm. i wonder how difficult it would be to distill dxm from this bottle of couth syrup Mar 22 11:36:39 it has 15mg in it... it probably isn't worth it :) Mar 22 11:37:03 oh.. that's per tablespoon Mar 22 11:40:06 next up: children and youth cheesing Mar 22 11:41:56 Heh, the 118 247 advert uses the Magical Trevor theme :) Mar 22 11:51:23 Stskeeps, you want to imagify the images in your desktop spec? Mar 22 11:51:59 GAN800: the wiki is acting up and showing stuff in the rendered page that isn't in source atm, heh Mar 22 11:52:27 i'm going to clean it up when it actually fits what we have Mar 22 11:52:41 Jaffa: ooh, congrats on chair Mar 22 11:53:01 Stskeeps: ta :) Mar 22 11:53:01 next up: children and youth cheesing Mar 22 11:53:03 haha Mar 22 11:53:15 You can all go sit on Jaffa now. ;) Mar 22 11:53:21 i just thought it was kind of funny that this stuf has such a high concentration of dxm Mar 22 11:53:33 there was a guy a long time ago who was selling pills of it on ebay Mar 22 11:53:44 GAN800: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork Mar 22 11:54:28 Stskeeps, use thumb instead of 100px Mar 22 11:54:37 GeneralAntilles: it makes awkward boxes Mar 22 11:55:03 but if you want to shine it up, feel free - i'm not a wiki master :P Mar 22 11:55:20 just wanted to upload it before it got lost in a horrible radikal.ru crash:> Mar 22 11:55:30 Fine, fine. :P Mar 22 12:14:42 morning slonopotamus Mar 22 12:15:33 if 15:15 can be treated as morning... then morning, Stskeeps :) Mar 22 12:16:55 Stskeeps, i still wonder how you compile x-v-o without stdint.h include :) Mar 22 12:17:05 slonopotamus: no clue. it does. :P Mar 22 12:17:16 http://wiki.maemo.org/images/7/7a/Mer_Theme_Outline.jpg <- is it a mockup or the actual look ? Mar 22 12:17:47 Stskeeps, but it can't :) Mar 22 12:18:05 Stskeeps, maybe your gcc is cheating? Mar 22 12:18:06 Khertan: mockup, but http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-ui3.png Mar 22 12:18:26 we're in the midst of implementing it Mar 22 12:19:08 :) Mar 22 12:19:37 and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/merui2.png Mar 22 12:24:14 http://lotro.ucoz.ru/omw_demo.html <- I guess noone can see actual weather here?( Mar 22 12:24:18 wazd: correct Mar 22 12:25:44 wazd, thats very impressive but how will it work on device Mar 22 12:25:46 and it writes "transfering data from xoap.weather.com..." on the bottom Mar 22 12:25:59 lcuk: it's not for the device) Mar 22 12:26:09 lcuk: it's UI prototyping Mar 22 12:26:12 lcuk: test it? :P Mar 22 12:26:31 I laggs very much on nokia btw) Mar 22 12:26:47 it shouldnt, its only because you are doing a solid transformation Mar 22 12:27:31 lcuk: it's because of heavy alpha-channeling Mar 22 12:27:53 its not that heavy Mar 22 12:28:10 lcuk: for flash on the tablet it is :D Mar 22 12:28:41 also, the direction feels wrong somehow, when you click the mini desktop widget shouldnt the background zoom in slightly Mar 22 12:28:45 (its VERY effective btw) Mar 22 12:29:06 Anyway, it's not for tablet :) Mar 22 12:30:37 lcuk: no it shouldn't :) Mar 22 12:31:30 zooming in to focus on the content? Mar 22 12:32:12 or have you taken it as stepping back to see the bigger picture :) Mar 22 12:33:25 it acts like maemo5 does now) Mar 22 12:37:18 heh, reading about chernobyl disaster.. happened at 1:23.45am O_o Mar 22 12:38:53 wazd the apps themselves dont but i see your point - the menu is layered, id missed that effect :) Mar 22 12:39:00 Stskeeps: sounds like if it was joke that turned bad Mar 22 12:39:01 :O sts Mar 22 12:39:28 RzR: nah, just makes me wonder if there was some debugging code gone bad :P Mar 22 12:39:46 code? you think they had code... Mar 22 12:39:56 wazd, if its not for the tablet whats its for then o_O is the new device using flash by default Mar 22 12:40:15 ShadowJK: debugging code in the handswing.. :P Mar 22 12:40:20 the egyptians had code, it just wasnt driven by silicon Mar 22 12:40:54 Wasn't the issue that they put a bunch of coal powerplant operators running a nuclear powerplant, and had them conduct tests which involved throttling the plant up and down repeatedly (which that type of plant can't cope with), and disconnecting itself from the external grid to see how long they could supply their critical systems with the inertial power stored in the generators? Mar 22 12:41:43 i thought it was catalog of problems and no single action caused it Mar 22 12:41:52 right Mar 22 12:42:51 at least now they have a massive wildlife reserve :) watching the deer jumping over houses and getting caught in the 25 foot spiders webbs is impressive Mar 22 12:43:55 actually there are less insects than before Mar 22 12:44:05 But there's a large amount of wild horses roaming free Mar 22 13:17:51 hello everybody Mar 22 13:18:23 i have problem in installing sdk Mar 22 13:19:05 when i gave dis command sudo sh ./maemo-scratchbox-install_X.X.sh -u user Mar 22 13:19:24 it says sh: Can't open ./maemo-scratchbox-install_X.X.sh Mar 22 13:21:03 i am using ubuntu 8.10 Mar 22 13:22:25 any one here Mar 22 13:31:22 That's funny, Nokia's device specs page claims N800 has qwerty keymat :-) Mar 22 13:32:48 I guess besides things missing after they redid the site, now there's things outright wrong too :/ Mar 22 13:40:03 hey guys, i've setup a small repository with my game deb's now i created a .install file which works fine but since my games depends on libsdl_gfx and lib_sdlttf i was wondering if it's possible to add multiple repositories to the .install file ? (like my repository where the actual game is and the maemo extra's repositry where the dependencies can be located from) Mar 22 13:40:52 so that when somebody opens the install file both my repo as the maemo extras repo gets added to their repo list Mar 22 13:40:53 rahul_cool, it should be related to exec premissions Mar 22 13:41:21 What about putting the games into maemo extra's? :-) Mar 22 13:41:31 i would if i knew how :) Mar 22 13:41:32 no i have changed it Mar 22 13:42:13 ~upload-extras Mar 22 13:42:14 well, upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Mar 22 13:42:18 rahul_cool, remove the ./ Mar 22 13:42:33 rahul_cool, sudo sh maemo-scratchbox-install_X.X.sh -u user Mar 22 13:42:44 ok i try Mar 22 13:42:56 joyrider: since you've packaged the games properly, you're already 1/2 way there Mar 22 13:43:26 i see will check out the page Mar 22 13:44:18 command not found Mar 22 13:44:49 sorry something is going on Mar 22 13:45:15 rahul_cool, sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh -u USER sorry :( Mar 22 13:45:42 ok Mar 22 13:46:42 cant open Mar 22 13:46:52 ?? Mar 22 13:47:39 rahul_cool, http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ Mar 22 13:47:52 did you download maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh? :P Mar 22 13:49:32 rahul_cool, are you trying to install the maemo SDK for diablo or for fremantle ? Mar 22 13:51:44 i m new to this ... Mar 22 13:52:21 i m just trying to install the environment so that i can see the project in ehich i m intersted Mar 22 13:53:04 rahul_cool, you have to follow one of this tutorials: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1.2/INSTALL.txt (diablo) or http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/ (fremantle) Mar 22 13:53:49 more info here: http://maemo.org/development Mar 22 13:54:50 ok requested upload privelidges will have to wait now :) guess i'll remove my repo then it's of no use if i'll get to upload to maemo extra's Mar 22 13:56:32 i do have one more question how does one get an icon to show in the deb file itself i mean some of the package show an icon in the package manager whereas others show a default icon Mar 22 13:57:30 joyrider: base64 encode a 26x26 png and add it to your control with the field of "XB-Maemo-Icon-26" Mar 22 13:57:54 ok thanks Mar 22 13:58:00 XB-Maemo-Display-Name is also nice Mar 22 13:59:12 joyrider, more info here: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html#SECTION001427000000000000000 Mar 22 13:59:48 ok thanks guys Mar 22 14:08:47 Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? Mar 22 14:09:07 Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) Mar 22 14:10:21 are you running apt-get or aptitude or synaptic etc? Mar 22 14:10:57 i sudo apt-get update Mar 22 14:11:30 there can only be 1 apt-get/synaptic/other package management thingie running simultaneously Mar 22 14:11:51 the maemo sdk installer runs apt-get too Mar 22 14:13:18 ok... Mar 22 14:16:58 Hi. I've just been prompted to upgrade easy-deb-chroot to 0.9.17 and it fails to install. Running apt-get from a terminal returns the following: easy-deb-chroot.postinst: line 133: syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "fi"). Anyone else see this? Thanks. Mar 22 14:24:56 hi again.. Mar 22 14:25:32 where is jeremaid ?! ( X-Fade ) Mar 22 14:27:09 I'm still waiting for him a whole week long to fix the graphviz|libltdl (libtool) problem.. Mar 22 14:27:29 hi lcuk Mar 22 14:27:41 hi \o Mar 22 14:27:47 slonopotamus, you hollered yesterday Mar 22 14:28:01 lcuk, did what? Mar 22 14:28:07 wanted me Mar 22 14:28:13 Called for him, G. Mar 22 14:28:19 ah Mar 22 14:28:23 :P Mar 22 14:28:44 * lcuk laughs at the qwerty_translation_service Mar 22 14:29:09 lcuk, i segfaulted drawing app in liqbase by applying doubletouch to it :) Mar 22 14:29:33 * lcuk raises an eyebrow, did it give a "BAD TOUCH!" error message? Mar 22 14:29:46 what do you mean applying doubletouch Mar 22 14:29:46 nope, just died Mar 22 14:30:01 locked up completely? Mar 22 14:30:05 err... i put 2 fingers on screen Mar 22 14:30:07 or you crashed it! Mar 22 14:30:14 oh that wont have been the cause Mar 22 14:30:18 that just moves the cursor Mar 22 14:30:21 deeper issue maybe Mar 22 14:30:54 i did the testing for multitouch on there before applying it - it just lets you see where the COG is, its not danger Mar 22 14:32:16 hmm. doesn't crash anymore Mar 22 14:33:03 * thopiekar_vm has fresh sources from fremantle and ubuntu to upload to mea into diablo's extras-devel, such as glib, bluez and libasound.. but jeremaid idn't on to test these packages before I can upload them.. Mar 22 14:33:20 *isn't Mar 22 14:33:31 thopiekar_vm: that sounds like a recipe for disaster Mar 22 14:34:21 Upload glib? You know how much shit will break? Mar 22 14:34:34 hence my "recipe for disaster" Mar 22 14:34:37 Stskeeps yes.. know (now) how simple it is to break others builds on mea so I would better ask him before uploading them.. Mar 22 14:34:57 qwerty12_N800: yes I know.. Mar 22 14:35:01 thopiekar_vm: last time someone tried to upload any bluez related stuff he got nearly decapitated Mar 22 14:35:35 slonopotamus, which build are you using, the one from the repo Mar 22 14:35:38 or from source Mar 22 14:35:41 Extras isn't a project to update diablo's libs & programs. Mar 22 14:35:53 lcuk, repo Mar 22 14:36:32 thats odd you have a problem then, ive got thousands in there and i make sure its "strong" Mar 22 14:38:21 thopiekar_vm, bluez stuff > 3.6 will break all the diablo bluetooth stuff :P Mar 22 14:40:13 lcuk, your gmail account requires your attention :P Mar 22 14:41:03 * lcuk checks Mar 22 14:41:19 VDVsx: how is it done anyway? a project gets a certain allocation on number of students? Mar 22 14:42:16 Stskeeps, yup, depends on the number of students that apply for this project Mar 22 14:42:43 after that the mentors and backup mentors choose the best projects Mar 22 14:42:49 k Mar 22 14:44:14 Stskeeps, I expect something around 10 slots for students, just a guess :P Mar 22 14:44:30 VDVsx: hmm I want to build pulseaudio (0.9.14) into diablo, but if there is no way to get a newer version of bluez I should build it without bluez support.. Mar 22 14:45:32 thopiekar_vm, bluez 4.0 introduce a lot of changes, d-bus api, services, ... Mar 22 14:46:14 btw. why is it so simple to break the system with fresh libs? I uploaded libasound and installed it by apt-get --reinstall install libasound2.. and my device itsn't restarting now.. Mar 22 14:46:23 hi b-man Mar 22 14:46:49 * timelE61i kicks S60 Mar 22 14:47:14 it does a great job of background killing apps i need Mar 22 14:47:26 lol Mar 22 14:47:28 While keepng apps i don't need Mar 22 14:47:40 heh Mar 22 14:48:30 Irc? Kill. Address book? Keep. Web w/ no useful history? Keep Mar 22 14:48:42 could someone give me a logical answer to my question above? Mar 22 14:48:44 timel, it's optimized for user annoyance Mar 22 14:48:51 timelE61i: it's turning into an iphone. Mar 22 14:49:16 I think it also killed maps, although i'm not certain Mar 22 14:49:41 * b-man resumes building LFS on his tablet Mar 22 14:49:51 Sts: i got these s60 things when nokia told me they were multimedia computers Mar 22 14:50:13 ... A coworker noted we haven't been told that recently Mar 22 14:51:03 Sts: an iphone would come w/ apps that use remote hosting for network connections Mar 22 14:51:45 So if the app closed, when it opened again it could get the irc scrollback and not have lost the irc presence Mar 22 14:52:13 ah, yeah Mar 22 14:52:49 thopiekar_vm, the new packages aren't retro compatibly, probably (this happens between bluez 3 and bluez 4 for e.g) Mar 22 14:52:50 The design rules w/ iphone are clear, so apps are built around the constraints Mar 22 14:53:06 S60 devs otoh drink the cool aid Mar 22 14:53:35 i must honestly admit that i'm not sure that posix will settle well in a pervasive computing world Mar 22 14:53:43 Which everyone admits tastes awful Mar 22 14:53:44 and there's needs for layers above it Mar 22 14:54:01 Oh, posix sucks Mar 22 14:54:02 hmm.. thanks VDVsx Mar 22 14:54:16 C.f. Ext4 promises about file i/o Mar 22 14:54:29 Yeah, we'll write something, maybe. Mar 22 14:54:40 who of you was working on the a2dp support for diablo.. Mar 22 14:54:45 Why don't you fsync() every ns ;) Mar 22 14:54:57 We're cheating for a perf win Mar 22 14:55:09 we have ns timers now :D Mar 22 14:55:33 Because we're too shortsighted to realize this arms race only leads to the nuclear option: fsync() Mar 22 14:55:43 Idiots. Mar 22 14:56:06 Hello ! Mar 22 14:56:15 * thopiekar_vm don't mean johnx' method.. he is searching for the man, who had a2dp-support working from fremantle.. Mar 22 14:56:25 hi Khertan Mar 22 14:56:27 hi there khertan Mar 22 14:56:34 If they think things are bad now when only a few apps call sync, and they are trying to improve perf by cheating Mar 22 14:56:50 Just wait until each api call includes a sync Mar 22 14:57:03 And posix won't let them cheat as much there Mar 22 14:57:10