**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 27 02:59:57 2009 Mar 27 02:59:59 But the same concept should still be good, just have to refind all the pieces. Mar 27 03:02:26 skibur_: forget sox, looks like I was only using that to pan it to one channel and crank the volume. Mar 27 03:02:49 esdcat is all you need to change the speed/pitch. Mar 27 03:03:33 o ok Mar 27 03:03:52 thanks Mar 27 04:46:25 could you use openmoko OS on a n800? Mar 27 06:43:51 hello there, anyone around to help me with a bootmenu issue? no matter what i do my n810 always boots straight into maemo (following the jaunty 2.1 on n810 instructions) Mar 27 07:26:18 sidnei: held down the menu button whilst powering up? Mar 27 07:35:43 morning Mar 27 07:40:10 lo Stske Mar 27 07:40:13 lo Stskeeps Mar 27 07:41:09 * Stskeeps hopes the fever disappears today so he can work on stuff. Mar 27 07:48:13 Stskeeps: ping Mar 27 07:48:26 i'm trying to build libc and got errors from the tests i guess Mar 27 07:50:10 timeless_mbp: bit out of my league - libc is a can of worms to work with Mar 27 07:50:26 but do you build it? Mar 27 07:50:31 or do you just steal upstreams? Mar 27 07:50:44 we steal upstream currently Mar 27 07:51:10 (if we don't explicitly replace something using our repo, it uses ubuntu's) Mar 27 08:08:05 hey, could someone familiar w/ dpkg-buildpackage tell me how to skip running tests for a package? :) Mar 27 08:08:20 What package? Mar 27 08:09:09 glibc :) Mar 27 08:13:37 Tried changing RUN_TESTSUITE? Mar 27 08:15:36 no, i don't speak dpkg* and don't really want to learn :) Mar 27 08:51:32 Jaffa: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/crappy-hildonize.c Mar 27 08:55:18 good morning Mar 27 09:03:51 moin Mar 27 09:04:21 morn Mar 27 09:58:00 * plastun looking for Ksuha (A.C.) Mar 27 10:05:59 pleas help regarding GSOC Mar 27 10:06:55 * timeless_mbp would hope GSOC people would be willing to write in complete sentences with proper spelling Mar 27 10:07:19 i.e. "please expend some effort to justify an equivalent exchange of effort" Mar 27 10:08:16 So demanding. Mar 27 10:08:59 gan: you should see all the other things i'm doing now Mar 27 10:09:05 sorry for that but I was looking for some who can guide me selecting GSOC project proposed by maemo Mar 27 10:09:21 see, that wasn't so hard Mar 27 10:09:41 someone needs an anti-cynical pill ;) Mar 27 10:09:48 timeless_mbp, sitting like an emperor in front of your shinny new laptop demanding complete sentences from everyone around you? :D Mar 27 10:09:50 * aquatix pats timeless_mbp Mar 27 10:10:03 it is nice and shiny, yes Mar 27 10:10:05 but so much work Mar 27 10:10:22 * aquatix needs to polish his laptop Mar 27 10:10:22 i had to install dozens of apps, setup vbox, and vms, rebuild mer, try to rebuild glibc Mar 27 10:10:27 damn those glossy casings Mar 27 10:10:28 try to file bugs against vbox Mar 27 10:10:47 timeless_mbp: liking your macbook? Mar 27 10:10:57 I need to get suspend working on mine. >:( Mar 27 10:11:07 aquatix: yes Mar 27 10:11:14 * aquatix has suspend working out of the box on ubuntu Mar 27 10:11:26 it feels great, and i'm learning to love the single touchpad area Mar 27 10:11:35 :) Mar 27 10:11:38 * timeless_mbp also loves the full screen zoom feature Mar 27 10:12:05 * timeless_mbp sighs Mar 27 10:13:58 can somebody help me with project ideas ? I have experience in working with bluetooth programming . I found a project titled "implement Bluetooth Speaker Support" . i am interested in participating in this. may I know who is hte mentor for this project? Mar 27 10:15:26 timeless_mbp, it was working, but now it's not. Mar 27 10:15:37 So far, my experience with Ubuntu hasn't been stellar. Mar 27 10:15:48 oh, i've broken ubuntu a couple of times Mar 27 10:15:56 and had various other unhappy experiences with it Mar 27 10:16:05 it vaguely works until you try to use it Mar 27 10:16:08 then it falls apart Mar 27 10:16:25 I was about 30 seconds away from installing OS X on this thing Mar 27 10:16:29 * timeless_mbp remembers using Ubuntu and Bug buddy at a SciFi conference Mar 27 10:16:29 then it sort of started working Mar 27 10:16:35 now resume doesn't work. Mar 27 10:17:01 I'd suggest installing OS X w/ 2 partitions 30gb for the OS and the rest as a second partition Mar 27 10:17:09 8GB SSD. ;) Mar 27 10:17:17 eww Mar 27 10:17:24 um Mar 27 10:17:24 Meh, it was cheap. Mar 27 10:17:33 I have a G5 for bigiron work. Mar 27 10:17:44 well, if you install osx, be sure to use "custom" and skip the lang packs and printer drivers :) Mar 27 10:18:00 Yeah, I know how to make it small. ;) Mar 27 10:18:09 w/ 8gb, you can't really build much, so that rules out lots of things Mar 27 10:18:15 OS X is the one thing I can consistently bend to my will. Mar 27 10:18:16 it also rules out virtualizing Mar 27 10:18:28 do you usually have net access? Mar 27 10:18:40 btw, can you walk me through setting up BT DUN w/ my Nokia phone? :) Mar 27 10:18:46 Mar 27 10:18:52 On Leopard? Mar 27 10:19:10 (how many nokia employees does it take to setup BT DUN to a Nokia phone? I dunno, but so far it's 2 and counting) Mar 27 10:19:12 It's almost as easy as on Maemo on Leopard. Mar 27 10:19:12 yes Mar 27 10:19:27 MBP, 10.5.6 Mar 27 10:19:33 lbt: Can't you just add git to your existing project? Mar 27 10:19:39 hi friends. I am panning to participate in GSOC 09 . Can anybody help me regarding project "setting up bluetooth audio speaker". this project is listed in ideas list? Mar 27 10:19:48 Pair it and plug in the appropriate in and fou should be good to go. Mar 27 10:20:05 atv: : i think you want jhe Mar 27 10:20:34 well, i paired it w/ my phone Mar 27 10:20:47 but figuring out the appropriate info... Mar 27 10:20:51 who is the mentor for this project? Mar 27 10:20:58 X-Fade: would love to :) Ferenc says no Mar 27 10:20:58 would be happy to delete and recreate... Mar 27 10:20:58 or play other games to help? Mar 27 10:20:59 the svn in shopper is only used for www Mar 27 10:21:14 lbt: Hmm indeed.. Mar 27 10:21:16 the tracker has a few bugs and patches which it would be nice to move accross... Mar 27 10:21:23 lbt: Blame ferenc ;) Mar 27 10:21:33 lbt: I'll accept the project.. Mar 27 10:21:33 heh - it's in beta Mar 27 10:21:34 atv: anyway, jhe is the right person to poke Mar 27 10:21:39 I'm just happy to have git Mar 27 10:21:40 he's 1hr idle Mar 27 10:21:50 if he isn't the right person, he can point you to someone Mar 27 10:22:03 well, it seemed like i needed to create a BT Serial Port to make the network thing happy Mar 27 10:22:50 and now all it does is show 'connecting' and for a brief instant use BT Mar 27 10:27:57 Operator settings are probably wrong Mar 27 10:36:24 timeless_mbp, what provider? Mar 27 10:37:20 Elisa [FI] Mar 27 10:40:20 APN should be "Elisa internet" Mar 27 10:40:34 Potentially optional username/pass is 3g/3g. Mar 27 10:51:24 those were blank in the tablet's settings Mar 27 10:51:33 the u/p that is Mar 27 10:51:51 sp3000, google seems to think they may be optional. Mar 27 10:59:02 is there a phone number? Mar 27 10:59:17 No description. Press the Edit button below to add it. Mar 27 10:59:22 eep Mar 27 10:59:25 * timeless_mbp kicks something Mar 27 10:59:34 Internet Connect Mar 27 10:59:39 Could not open communications device Mar 27 10:59:52 (or something like that, os x didn't copy the text from the dialog) Mar 27 11:00:12 Shouldn't be a phone number. Mar 27 11:00:37 *99#? :P Mar 27 11:00:42 or whatever it was Mar 27 11:02:06 Stskeeps: nice. Why does zenvoid need the g_object_new override (it doesn't appear to do anything on first glance) Mar 27 11:02:23 Stskeeps: But that's exactly how I imagined it. I've also got some code around which might be able to do auto-menuification Mar 27 11:03:10 Jaffa: no clue, but he did say it was a crappy way :) Mar 27 11:10:10 it still gives "Could not open communications device" Mar 27 11:11:38 well, something like that, i still can't copy the errror Mar 27 11:28:29 * rmt_ waves. Mar 27 11:28:33 wello Mar 27 11:28:38 How's it going? Mar 27 11:28:46 sick like hell and need to take my dishes. :P Mar 27 11:28:54 * rmt_ is in Lucerne at the moment.. very pretty place. Mar 27 11:33:40 Stskeeps, take' em where? Mar 27 11:33:41 The park? Mar 27 11:34:38 ping alterego Mar 27 11:35:02 pong Mar 27 11:35:09 Smelly Mar 27 11:35:32 svu_? Mar 27 11:35:35 alterego, are you the person who did the ruby port? Mar 27 11:35:38 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27879&highlight=stone Mar 27 11:35:53 svu_: indeed. Mar 27 11:35:57 (yes, that was my question) Mar 27 11:36:12 alterego, do you have plans to move ruby to extras? Mar 27 11:36:18 can I be of any help? Mar 27 11:36:34 Yes, I have the account set up. Mar 27 11:36:43 I've just been really stretched for time :/ Mar 27 11:37:12 just yesterday I've tried uploading my little ruby app, and of course I could not - because of missing ruby Mar 27 11:37:19 Yeah Mar 27 11:37:40 If I promise to do it on Sunday will that make you happy? :) Mar 27 11:37:56 alterego, I would be really happy and grateful, thank a bunch! Mar 27 11:38:15 alterego, the second question about ruby-hildon sources. are they available anywhere? Mar 27 11:38:37 Not right now, but I do plan on opening my subversion repository soon. Mar 27 11:38:49 Well, the maemo part of my subversion repository. Mar 27 11:39:11 Sunday?:) Mar 27 11:39:25 I'll try. Mar 27 11:39:51 Basically, on Sunday I'll probably have enough time to setup extras and do svn, but I was hoping to finish my hildon-desktop applet loader. Mar 27 11:40:00 That might have to wait for the following weekend in that case. Mar 27 11:40:17 Or I could stop getting pissed every night :S I'm so hung over right now it's criminal. Mar 27 11:40:17 thanks a lot! I'd really celebrate that event Mar 27 11:40:32 of course, having ruby in extras is more important to me Mar 27 11:40:38 Too bad we can't talk Nokia into setting up a hacking slush fund. ;) Mar 27 11:40:44 alterego, also, would you put ruby-pkg-tools as well? Mar 27 11:40:46 :) Mar 27 11:40:55 What's ruby-pkg-tools? Mar 27 11:41:04 otherwise ruby based debs are difficult to build Mar 27 11:41:09 Ah, okay. Mar 27 11:41:16 Is that a debian thing? Mar 27 11:41:35 I'd say so. At least I used it to build .deb on ubuntu Mar 27 11:42:04 Cool, well that should be easily done. Mar 27 11:42:08 I'll make a note of it. Mar 27 11:42:20 And it's a very good idea ;) Mar 27 11:42:52 I wish I'd seen that before I started on ruby-maemo ;) Mar 27 11:42:55 hope so. we have to promote ruby on maemo, I guess:) Mar 27 11:43:32 well, glad that I could give you some useful info:) Mar 27 11:43:38 I was toying with the idea of doing a loader for faster load times, but the new device should increase that aspect so considerably that it makes the effort kind of pointless. Mar 27 11:44:18 anyway, for the start it would be great to have something working, somehow Mar 27 11:44:27 then, if necessary, things can be optimized Mar 27 11:44:42 Yeah. Mar 27 11:45:42 I'd also like to get ruby-gems working properly. It's so damn slow it's ridiculous. I was thinking maybe setting up my own gem repo as we can't build the extensions on device it makes sense just having pure ruby extensions available. Which should make gem run faster with a smaller catalogue. Mar 27 11:46:21 yes, that might be a good idea Mar 27 11:46:53 I've been writing some insane ruby code at work. I'm having the best time of my life :) Mar 27 11:47:10 but anyway, if most of the core packages are just .debs, people will be able to do simple things without going gems Mar 27 11:47:17 Yeah Mar 27 11:47:22 * svu_ nearly envious :) Mar 27 11:48:03 if you need any help/testing/... you can find me around here or on the forum Mar 27 11:48:21 Great, Mar 27 11:48:48 thanks for everything:) talk to you later Mar 27 13:11:50 Who writes a blog post about a GUI and doesn't include any screenshots? :( Mar 27 13:14:49 GeneralAntilles: a lazy writer Mar 27 13:17:30 timeless, I have *99***1# as phone number when connecting through Nokia Mar 27 13:18:31 also an init string of AT+cgdcont=1,"IP","APN HERE" Mar 27 13:18:47 I suspect the internet APN of elisa is "internet", but I'm not sure Mar 27 13:19:47 ShadowJK: yeah the string "internet" was in one of the fields for the autoconfigured elisa thing on the tablet Mar 27 13:20:08 we tried with that in the apn Mar 27 13:21:47 It also helps to restart/reboot all involved bluetooth devices :) Mar 27 13:22:27 Though the N810 thankfully has a CSR bluetooth radio, which is relatively bug free Mar 27 13:23:12 My E70's TI radio often wants a reboot cycle before it will agree to function though :) Mar 27 13:24:46 how can I know if there is a module for maemo, for example... I connected a host usb, and I want to get the module that host usb. Mar 27 13:25:38 What do you connect? Mar 27 13:26:11 ShadowJK, I connected a Micaz... do you know? Mar 27 13:27:01 no Mar 27 13:27:05 what driver would it use? Mar 27 13:27:50 ftdi_si - is a usb host driver Mar 27 13:28:12 I detected this driver on debian and ubuntu Mar 27 13:28:53 doesn't seem to be included in maemo by default Mar 27 13:31:12 I have the source code of this driver... i think that I have to create a module for him, what you think? Mar 27 13:31:26 ey.. why im getting error when installing transparency? Mar 27 13:32:06 brankinhu, yes Mar 27 13:32:13 don't ask me how though :) Mar 27 13:33:04 ShadowJK, eheheh... ok! I'll try. thanks Mar 27 14:18:43 hola Mar 27 14:46:05 i officially don't understand GTK themeing(sp) Mar 27 14:56:42 kulve: yo Mar 27 14:56:54 kulve: mafw repos are no longer empty :) Mar 27 14:57:39 kulve: also one student has submitted the proposal to work on gvfs gupnp backend to GSoC, lets hope he gets approved Mar 27 14:58:36 hello there, anyone around to help me with a bootmenu issue? no matter what i do my n810 always boots straight into maemo (following the jaunty 2.1 on n810 instructions) Mar 27 14:59:27 did you do the "Install bootmenu" step? :P Mar 27 15:00:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#N8x0_Install , follow the steps from Utilities -> Install bootmenu to "where you can select the partition you want to boot" Mar 27 15:13:25 Stskeeps: that page doesn't seem to be linked to from the "Downloads" page BTW Mar 27 15:15:00 Stskeeps: well, i ran refresh_bootmenu.d, isn't that the same? Mar 27 15:15:11 sidnei: nop Mar 27 15:15:20 Jaffa: yeah, coming in the new release page Mar 27 15:15:33 sidnei: refresh is just updating the bootmenu configuration Mar 27 15:16:22 Stskeeps: got it. doing it now. Mar 27 15:17:15 'lo qwerty12 Mar 27 15:17:22 hi Stskeeps Mar 27 15:17:42 Stskeeps: cool! that worked. how stupid i fell :) Mar 27 15:18:14 how's it going, qwerty12? Mar 27 15:18:47 Stskeeps, lol, all good :). I'm meant to be at an after school lesson but thought fuck it :P Mar 27 15:19:05 Stskeeps, still feeling ill? :( Mar 27 15:19:59 qwerty12: yeah, taking today off, but sitting and trying to get the theme stuff right now Mar 27 15:20:08 and doing some things around the house Mar 27 15:20:42 :) Mar 27 15:22:28 uhm, seems like it got stuck at about 20% on the splash screen Mar 27 15:24:56 qwerty12: happen to know what it is that boottime.kmap.gz that b-man does in ubuntu is? Mar 27 15:25:39 Stskeeps, no idea, I've never booted Ubuntu on my tablet Mar 27 15:25:49 k Mar 27 15:26:03 meiz claims it makes things go a lot faster Mar 27 15:26:06 as in, boot time wise Mar 27 15:27:51 well, .kmap is a keymap isnt it? Mar 27 15:28:13 i can't see how that would make a boot faster, unless it's about the size (ie, it's a stripped down kmap to save on memory) Mar 27 15:28:36 well maybe it doesn't have to probe and all that stuff Mar 27 15:29:14 indeed Mar 27 15:29:42 oh, look, it's booting now! i had commented out 'ITEM_LINUXRC' due to misleading advice Mar 27 15:29:53 ah Mar 27 15:30:02 be aware it might actually die now Mar 27 15:30:06 with "incompatible boot menu" Mar 27 15:30:42 the progress bar on the splash menu went all the way to like 98% then it is stuck there now Mar 27 15:30:53 Stskeeps, really can't see how boottime.kmap would make it boot faster... Mar 27 15:30:59 i think i saw someone reporting that Mar 27 15:31:24 sidnei: if you did without ITEM_LINUXRC at first, your installation is screwed Mar 27 15:31:55 Stskeeps: nice. so i have to wipe the partition clean and start again? Mar 27 15:31:58 sidnei: aye Mar 27 15:32:49 Sts: so... Do you have any gripes about vbox? Mar 27 15:32:52 Stskeeps: sure there's no way around that? sounds very extreme :) Mar 27 15:33:30 Also... Can you check to see if your vmdk is really properly partitioned ? :) Mar 27 15:34:22 Because when i tried to grow it, i was told the partition was bigger than the drive :) Mar 27 15:34:28 timelE61i: hmm. Mar 27 15:35:11 timelE61i: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/vmdk-maker , script i use Mar 27 15:35:38 No time today :) Mar 27 15:35:39 k Mar 27 15:36:07 timelE61i: so far i like vbox more than vmware really Mar 27 15:36:39 when i was able to get my ex gf to use vbox on her mac without big gripes, they did something right Mar 27 15:37:04 sidnei: recreating /var/run with right permissions but honestly, restart :P Mar 27 15:37:33 Stskeeps: ok, doing it already. Mar 27 15:37:41 * GeneralAntilles tries to figure out how to unsubscribe from the GSoC mentor's list. Mar 27 15:38:02 GeneralAntilles: you already lost hope in humanity? :P Mar 27 15:38:06 Gan: Heh Mar 27 15:38:15 Stskeeps, WTF is wrong with these people? Mar 27 15:38:53 GeneralAntilles: you should see the e-mails university professors get from indian universities about internships.. Mar 27 15:39:09 zeenix: yay for gvfs backend :) Mar 27 15:39:40 "harmattan compatibility" Mar 27 15:39:44 dear god, they started already Mar 27 15:40:06 Harmattan is going to run on everybody's hardware but Stskeeps'. Mar 27 15:40:39 zeenix: I noticed that you've also implemented some transcoding stuff Mar 27 15:40:44 but yay, gtk 2.14 Mar 27 15:41:00 Everything from your '96 Caprice to your Wii. Mar 27 15:41:24 Stskeeps: url? Mar 27 15:41:47 Jaffa: https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/branches/gtk%2B/upgrade-gtk-2-14/?root=maemo , and the harmattan was just a sh script stuff in dbus, nothing interesting Mar 27 15:42:16 fairy nuff Mar 27 15:42:28 * Stskeeps will be joyous over 2.14. Mar 27 15:43:36 ah. of course jaunty moved on to 2.16 Mar 27 15:43:38 lovely. Mar 27 15:43:43 I see ukki has some sort of vendetta against Extras. Mar 27 15:44:20 isn't it a requirement to be a community member, to have some kind of vendetta against something? :P Mar 27 15:44:25 GeneralAntilles, oh, it's not that, he really did want to upload his programs to Extras but I think he got pissed off when he got skanked twice Mar 27 15:45:26 qwerty12, thus the vendetta, evidently. Mar 27 15:47:30 Fair enough, I just think he doesn't hate Extras but doesn't see it as the end all and be all Mar 27 15:48:27 * Stskeeps really looks forward to seeing how OBS will work. Mar 27 15:49:36 qwerty12: how did he get "skanked" (verb confusion => EPARSEERROR) Mar 27 15:50:22 Jaffa, X-Fade took a shiv to him. Mar 27 15:50:38 "To be ripped off, or be in a situation resulting in a negative outcome." - alterego told ukki twice that ruby would be in Extras Mar 27 15:50:43 skanked, not shanked ;) Mar 27 15:51:16 We all know X-Fade's a bit of a skank. ;) Mar 27 15:51:21 Lol Mar 27 15:51:34 sssssssh ;) Mar 27 15:52:15 qwerty12, that seems to have very little to do with Extras. Mar 27 15:52:34 and really only serves to solidify the "people should put their stuff in Extras" point. Mar 27 15:52:48 (Ubuntu power management sucks) Mar 27 15:53:40 GeneralAntilles, he couldn't upload his programs without ruby being there - well, he could, but 98% of people wouldn't be able to install it. With his own repo (and I don't agree with own repos personally), he could upload the binary packages alterego had put out Mar 27 15:54:15 Yes, a good copy of Ruby in Extras is why everybody should be uploading their stuff to Extras. ;) Mar 27 15:54:22 kulve: what do you mean 'also'? :) Mar 27 15:55:04 kulve: do you mean you did the same/similar or that besides those things i did transcoding? Mar 27 15:55:29 zeenix: yeah, besides those things.. Mar 27 15:55:39 bbl Mar 27 15:56:32 kulve: yeah, it wasn't that hard given the generic design i have in rygel for proxying uris and gst elements Mar 27 15:56:47 http://www.woot.com/ Mar 27 15:57:31 Yay Woot Mar 27 15:59:01 Wait...It says it is both 8GB and 4 GB Mar 27 15:59:14 8GB Class 4 Mar 27 15:59:24 Sold out anyway Mar 27 15:59:28 But in the features, it says 4GB Mar 27 16:01:16 Oh, it matters not, I have enough cards to lose anyways Mar 27 16:02:10 GeneralAntilles: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/OOo-dual-menus.png Mar 27 16:03:22 timeless_mbp, doesn't want to load. Mar 27 16:03:44 really? it's a kinda big png, but it should load.... Mar 27 16:04:29 Ah, that'd explain it. 2.3MB at 30KB/sec Mar 27 16:04:53 oh brother Mar 27 16:04:55 * timeless_mbp = stupid Mar 27 16:05:13 * timeless_mbp is copying an iTunes library into a non special path Mar 27 16:05:20 Corsac, shame on you for compat = 7 =in epdfview :P Mar 27 16:05:56 timeless_mbp, hehe, that's special. Mar 27 16:06:03 Boring hard drive name. :P Mar 27 16:08:04 well, there was supposed to be one named W7 Mar 27 16:08:07 timeless_mbp, cmd-shft-3 dumps jgpes, by the way. Mar 27 16:08:18 really? Mar 27 16:08:21 er, jpegs Mar 27 16:08:22 traditionally it dumped PDFs Mar 27 16:08:30 New since Tiger, I think. Mar 27 16:08:37 but then i decided to use ZFS and VBox Mar 27 16:08:46 so w7 is now just a file somewhere Mar 27 16:09:04 i was having trouble getting cmd strokes to work, so i used "grab" and its timer feature Mar 27 16:09:13 actually, it looks like Firefox has the same behavior Mar 27 16:09:50 It's global Mar 27 16:09:54 so... after playing around further Mar 27 16:09:59 this is actually a feature, not a bug Mar 27 16:10:07 it's just strange until you get used to it Mar 27 16:10:18 I don't even click help menus Mar 27 16:10:42 ok, so OOo *is* buggy Mar 27 16:10:48 but only for my original bug Mar 27 16:10:55 in a normal help search, cmd-a works (select all) Mar 27 16:10:59 in OOo's help, it doesn't. Mar 27 16:26:32 hi2all Mar 27 16:26:40 hi Plastun Mar 27 16:27:48 is there anybody rus? Mar 27 16:28:14 * thopiekar is just learning rus at school :P Mar 27 16:29:12 Plastun, I'm from russia Mar 27 16:29:34 ohm! Mar 27 16:31:25 what principles maemo uses when choose project for gsoc? Mar 27 16:31:46 count of students applications? or some else? Mar 27 16:33:38 Yeah, that would be helpful, since I'm writing my proposal now ^^ Mar 27 16:34:01 no clue, my hope would be prioritizing based on importance to the community based on number of students allocated to project Mar 27 16:40:27 lo meiz Mar 27 16:41:10 Meizirkki: you say boottime.kmap.gz adds something, could you verify if that happens for mer too? Mar 27 16:42:27 ?? Mar 27 16:42:48 you said the other evening that the kmap.gz takes a slice off the boot time in ubuntu? Mar 27 16:42:56 i only said it takes a long time when Mer sets up the keymap at early boot Mar 27 16:43:02 hmm, ok Mar 27 16:43:10 so it helps with the kmap.gz? Mar 27 16:43:29 i don't know, sorry Mar 27 16:43:40 k Mar 27 16:43:48 can you test? looks trivial :) Mar 27 16:44:11 just drop the ubuntu kmap.gz in, shouldn't matter on the X kb Mar 27 16:44:38 okAY Mar 27 16:44:48 that keymap is in /etc right? Mar 27 16:46:19 hmm, good question Mar 27 16:47:11 /etc/console-setup/boottime.kmap.gz Mar 27 16:47:17 yep Mar 27 16:47:19 thanks Mar 27 16:47:39 can i copy it over from x86 ? Mar 27 16:47:58 to my tablet Mar 27 16:48:29 yea, or just http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=254257&postcount=2 Mar 27 16:48:32 the attachment Mar 27 16:48:44 ok Mar 27 16:49:13 i think what might help ubuntu but i believe does actually trash most of the setups in the long run, is the use of insserv Mar 27 16:49:22 and concurrency Mar 27 16:50:28 * Meizirkki notices, that b-mans boottime.kmap is a clone of deblet-xmodmap Mar 27 16:50:56 heh, never knew we had a boottime.kmap.gz Mar 27 16:51:53 kmap in mer is a HUGE mess comparing to the xmodmap-clone... Mar 27 16:52:19 there's actually one in /etc/console-setup? Mar 27 16:52:33 yes Mar 27 16:52:46 yeah, i see it now Mar 27 16:52:50 must be console-setup setting it up Mar 27 16:53:33 * Meizirkki makes a blank file and gzips it Mar 27 16:57:07 yay, mer boots now in 40sec! Mar 27 16:57:10 on n810 Mar 27 16:57:16 that's interesting Mar 27 16:57:31 i have blank file as a boottime.knap Mar 27 16:57:38 s/nap/map/ Mar 27 16:57:38 Meizirkki meant: i have blank file as a boottime.kmap Mar 27 16:59:04 well, it still takes 50 sec before hildon is loaded, but the BSOM (Blue Screen Of Mer) takes about 40 sec Mar 27 17:00:52 is anybody think that maemo alarm should be improved? Mar 27 17:00:59 Stskeeps, Even if the keymap file is blank, n 810 hw-keyboard still acts normally in console Mar 27 17:01:05 even with Fn? Mar 27 17:01:38 sec Mar 27 17:03:37 (i doubt it), but good to know it improves boot Mar 27 17:03:54 Stskeeps, Fn key isn't working in the framebuffer console, but it never worked before, so... Mar 27 17:04:10 yeah Mar 27 17:04:31 Fn is, of course, still working in X Mar 27 17:06:29 applied your trick to the imager, we'll see how big an effect it has on the testing images i guess Mar 27 17:06:57 ok Mar 27 17:26:56 andre__, fun comments. ;) Mar 27 17:32:48 GeneralAntilles: hehe, you kinda missed my point, i really have nothing against extras, quite the opposite Mar 27 17:34:18 ukki, harsh words on the wiki. Mar 27 17:40:03 true, but there's not much i can do about it Mar 27 18:03:18 hi VDVsx \o hows gsoc management going Mar 27 18:04:24 lcuk, hello, fine, I think :P Mar 27 18:04:44 good good, i started to read and review some of the student proposals Mar 27 18:04:58 Anything good? Mar 27 18:05:19 the liqbase one catches my eye so far ;) Mar 27 18:05:34 VDVsx, has lardman got himself involved as a mentor? Mar 27 18:05:59 lcuk, no Mar 27 18:06:17 shame, is it too late for him to get involved, cos barcode needs wrangling Mar 27 18:06:30 Really, that's what I was interested in Mar 27 18:06:44 lcuk, it should be backup mentor, but don't sign in yet Mar 27 18:06:44 yeah theres a lot of interest in the barcode stuff Mar 27 18:06:59 it should be ? or he should be? Mar 27 18:07:11 Darn competition Mar 27 18:07:16 *he :P Mar 27 18:08:01