**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 03 02:59:56 2009 Apr 03 03:00:09 I've used pidgin and xchat for irc on the NIT, never telepathy sorry... Apr 03 03:00:23 :/ Apr 03 03:00:33 it's luke-n810 Apr 03 03:01:18 ok, better question Apr 03 03:01:30 why doesn't xmpp auth anymore? Apr 03 03:01:45 i verified the pass is rightt Apr 03 03:02:06 insufficient information Apr 03 03:02:28 'Authentication failed' Apr 03 03:03:02 i'd love more info, too ;) Apr 03 03:03:16 xmpp auth with what server? Apr 03 03:03:25 xmpp is kinda generic Apr 03 03:03:31 dashjr.org Apr 03 03:03:37 ejabberd Apr 03 03:03:50 I would bug the dashjr.org admin then Apr 03 03:03:55 Luke-Jr2: loudmouth has a bug which has been exposed by recent ejabberd updates Apr 03 03:03:55 :( Apr 03 03:04:05 I need to get on N about pushing an update Apr 03 03:04:12 gah Apr 03 03:04:21 fire thats me Apr 03 03:04:33 roger Apr 03 03:04:47 and as robot101 said, its a n810 bug Apr 03 03:04:59 everything else works Apr 03 03:05:01 the n890 will fix it (; Apr 03 03:05:24 -.- Apr 03 03:05:26 * fireun is slightly unstable with the pressure of a looming paper deadline Apr 03 03:05:40 so i get a refund for n810? Apr 03 03:05:42 ;) Apr 03 03:05:54 Luke-Jr2: sure, just send to the following address Apr 03 03:06:07 >.> Apr 03 03:06:17 yeah, ME Apr 03 03:06:20 d-: Apr 03 03:06:38 robot101 any workaround? Apr 03 03:07:01 Luke-Jr2: and I'll send you a replacement n770 thereafter Apr 03 03:07:31 Luke-Jr2: can you ping me here tomorrow? i gotta sleep now Apr 03 03:07:35 fireun take some logic classes ;) Apr 03 03:07:41 Luke-Jr2: I just mailed the Nokia rtcom guys to ask if we can push an update somehow Apr 03 03:08:17 Luke-Jr2: otherwise, I need to get one of our lm guys to do a release we can build on the sdk and put onto maemo.org or something Apr 03 03:08:24 but its 4am Apr 03 03:08:25 --> sleep Apr 03 03:08:31 :( Apr 03 03:09:00 Luke-Jr2: logic does tend to squash sillyness Apr 03 03:09:29 sigh Apr 03 04:24:17 im not sure Apr 03 04:26:45 Lanza: can you be more specific? Apr 03 04:27:46 sorry, i fixed it Apr 03 04:29:23 so you di Apr 03 04:29:24 d Apr 03 06:19:42 heh, gsoc prposals 'some of them very well written and complete' Apr 03 06:56:11 yay, 11th hour paper finished Apr 03 07:37:18 hello folks Apr 03 07:37:39 re Apr 03 07:38:12 so... any good ideas for prying the lens cap off of a traffic light without stabbing myself? Apr 03 07:38:38 ...on reflection, that probably needs some context Apr 03 07:39:39 I have a Green light (legally obtained), and they've sealed the green cover on quite well, with gray goo Apr 03 07:39:54 any suggestions? :P Apr 03 07:47:43 you made it more boring, jaem Apr 03 07:48:09 but I would use a file on that goo Apr 03 07:58:33 RST38h: I would, but it has a lip, with almost no spacing Apr 03 07:58:50 I tried scraping it out, but it's too elastic Apr 03 07:59:20 the most probable reason it has been retired is a few dead LEDs Apr 03 07:59:54 from the other's I've seen, getting it to power up shouldn't be too difficult, but I'll have to take off the cover Apr 03 08:00:01 thanks for the idea, though Apr 03 08:05:33 good morning Apr 03 08:08:37 jeez_away: trying to make it suitable for your front lawn? Apr 03 08:08:57 so you can put it to red when you want to leave your home comfortably? :) Apr 03 08:11:12 Morning, all Apr 03 08:11:36 jaem: if it is too elastic, use a niddle to pierce it, then tear Apr 03 08:11:43 s/niddle/needle/ Apr 03 08:11:43 RST38h meant: jaem: if it is too elastic, use a needle to pierce it, then tear Apr 03 08:12:01 RST38h: excellent idea - that might just work Apr 03 08:12:03 thanks Apr 03 08:12:27 I didn't want to have to take my problem over to #trafficlightdisassembly Apr 03 08:12:33 they'd call me a noob Apr 03 08:12:35 :P Apr 03 08:14:18 i did join Apr 03 08:14:20 http://www.pyongyangtrafficgirls.com/ <--- ! Apr 03 08:15:10 RST38h: dare I ask? Apr 03 08:15:13 RST38h: whoa Apr 03 08:15:26 I'll take that as a no Apr 03 08:15:30 jaem: No, you can't have my URL sources. Apr 03 08:15:49 those women are scary Apr 03 08:15:58 RST38h: I don't /want/ to Apr 03 08:16:01 >_< Apr 03 08:16:09 guess shell tell you in other situations as well where to go Apr 03 08:16:15 aquatix: Have I ever quoted something that wasn't? =) Apr 03 08:16:24 not sure Apr 03 08:16:28 i didn't keep track :) Apr 03 08:16:32 RST38h: not while I've been around Apr 03 08:17:24 g'night, #maemo Apr 03 08:17:29 thanks again Apr 03 08:17:37 meh, nn Apr 03 08:39:30 whoa: http://hollywoodphony.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/i-am-salieri/ Apr 03 08:53:35 hello world Apr 03 08:54:15 * zakkm stood in programming class wondering if world ever replied back to hello Apr 03 08:57:24 hello wazd Apr 03 08:57:56 wazd: Found a problem with the menu image: the icons are not evenly spaced Apr 03 08:58:22 wazd: they are all 115x115, but vertical positions vary a bit Apr 03 08:58:49 wazd: if you center every icon inside its respective 160x160 spot, will it still look ok? Apr 03 08:59:56 RST38h: not quite Apr 03 09:00:31 RST38h: spaces between buttons will be lrger than border spacing Apr 03 09:01:01 RST38h: it looks not so nice Apr 03 09:01:07 morning all Apr 03 09:01:13 lardman: hey Apr 03 09:01:41 hi wazd Apr 03 09:02:17 choices, choices, read about 2D phase unwrapping or debug MATLAB mex files, what a wonderful day Apr 03 09:02:52 wazd: Ok, how about keeping them grouped at the center, but spacing them evenly at some nice-to remember coordinates? Apr 03 09:05:08 wazd: like 40, 180, 320 horizontally and 20,160,... vertically (assuming that icons are all 120x120) Apr 03 09:10:35 blach. Apr 03 09:19:38 anyone knows this site? https://www.cell2get.com Apr 03 09:33:58 Myrtti, legs ok now? Apr 03 09:34:11 could be better, but am okish Apr 03 09:34:47 good, you just need to tour ikea a few more times ;) Apr 03 09:34:53 walk it off :P Apr 03 09:35:17 my missus loves that place Apr 03 09:58:53 Hello Apr 03 10:00:44 scoop: https://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/ Apr 03 10:01:46 hehe, was waiting for that :) Apr 03 10:01:56 argh: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/ Apr 03 10:01:59 that "s" Apr 03 10:03:04 w00000t qgil :D Apr 03 10:03:21 Stskeeps, you better have some danish bacon there :P Apr 03 10:03:37 we have plenty of danish bacon. Apr 03 10:03:37 :P Apr 03 10:04:40 ok, and now I will try to make my first itt news.... anything better than the current top post :) Apr 03 10:05:17 if someone wants to help, I didn't have time to populate with links http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend Apr 03 10:05:17 hehe, yeah Apr 03 10:05:18 use the top post to time yourself replacing the top post Apr 03 10:05:22 at least one to the Mer project ;) Apr 03 10:09:30 * RST38h EHLOs qgil Apr 03 10:12:17 hey does anyone know what could be problem in my sb becouse name resolving doesnt work and it does work outside sb.. my resolv.conf in sb is the same as it is outside sb... Apr 03 10:12:47 well, I can't find my login/psw for the ITt blog, so EOF Apr 03 10:14:37 sampo: check nsswitch.conf as well Apr 03 10:16:39 qGil: never againm Apr 03 10:17:24 jumpula: it looks the same, but it still cant resolv dns.. Apr 03 10:18:40 looks the same or is the same? :) Apr 03 10:18:56 well, no need to be same Apr 03 10:19:11 jumpula: host: line atleast Apr 03 10:19:24 but a line like hosts: files dns should be nice inside sb Apr 03 10:19:59 no mdns4_minimal mdns4 and absolutely no [NOTFOUND=return] before dns Apr 03 10:20:13 thats the problem Apr 03 10:20:15 :) Apr 03 10:20:48 jumpula: hosts: dns files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4 nis nisplus Apr 03 10:20:52 still wont work Apr 03 10:20:58 just put there: Apr 03 10:21:05 hosts: files dns Apr 03 10:21:19 (inside sb9 Apr 03 10:21:43 well, at least http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=277043 Apr 03 10:21:43 it was that way before i started to edit it :) Apr 03 10:21:52 timelE61i: what never again? Apr 03 10:22:21 jumpula: it should take effect immidiately no need for logging out? Apr 03 10:22:37 qgil: hello Apr 03 10:22:50 qgil: I have a question bout FRUCT cnference) Apr 03 10:23:16 'lo qwerty12 Apr 03 10:23:38 hey Stskeeps Apr 03 10:24:19 qwerty12: pong Apr 03 10:25:10 ukki, I just wanted to ping you on: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=276920&postcount=125 Apr 03 10:25:44 sampo: yes Apr 03 10:26:26 qwerty12: k, thanks Apr 03 10:27:53 jumpula: well it is weird... it used to work just fine... could it be something wrong with my network? Apr 03 10:29:08 you changed the entry to list only files and dns? Apr 03 10:30:09 that is, changed the file inside scratchbox to list that Apr 03 10:30:14 in nsswitch.conf yeas Apr 03 10:30:49 what do you mean...in that file it has now: hosts: files dns Apr 03 10:31:29 [sbox-maemo5-armv7: ~] > grep ^hosts /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf Apr 03 10:31:30 hosts: files dns Apr 03 10:31:33 and in resolv.conf i have the same dns's than resolv.conf outside sb Apr 03 10:34:14 jumpula: it just wont work Apr 03 10:34:39 oh Apr 03 10:34:53 are the host tools the ones that complain about not being able to resolv names? Apr 03 10:35:13 i will never again join a maemo- list Apr 03 10:35:30 timelE61i, ignorance is bliss Apr 03 10:35:41 jumpula: i edited resolv.conf inside a target.. not outside sb and file /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf Apr 03 10:35:56 now it works :) Apr 03 10:36:05 yes Apr 03 10:36:39 jumpula: why there are those resolv.conf files inside a taget too? Apr 03 10:36:51 target's binaries use them Apr 03 10:36:57 i rember i used to edit only those and it used to work Apr 03 10:36:58 like normal stuff Apr 03 10:37:28 but the host tools have either /scratchbox/tools or /scratchbox/devkits/devkit-name prefix Apr 03 10:37:57 ok.. it was apt-get which wasnt resolving hostname Apr 03 10:38:02 yes Apr 03 10:38:19 but thanx for help :) Apr 03 10:38:19 and that comes from debian devkit by default Apr 03 10:38:36 yeah.. is there a way to set one global resolv.conf ? Apr 03 10:45:57 timelE61i: what, the obesity discussion? Apr 03 10:47:38 yEs Apr 03 10:47:44 I unsubscribed Apr 03 10:47:57 I will never again subscribe to a maemo- list Apr 03 10:48:02 Oh come on Apr 03 10:48:19 Tekojo: advocacy is inappropriate Apr 03 10:48:34 And i already have enough problems w/ lawyers Apr 03 10:48:57 Employees should not be pushed/drawn into positions where they have to deal with them Apr 03 10:49:03 timel61i: I agree, but unsubscribing rather hurts us all Apr 03 10:49:13 Yep Apr 03 10:49:26 heh, last thing i want -community to turn into is debian-legal :> Apr 03 10:49:32 Fix your community so you don't lose the next nokian Apr 03 10:49:37 You lost this one Apr 03 10:49:40 I do agree that you shouldn't be put to that position Apr 03 10:49:56 That means someone needs a code of conduct Apr 03 10:50:06 (council) Apr 03 10:50:11 but in an open community list it is hard to stop people pre-emptively from saying things Apr 03 10:50:21 * timelE61i shrugs Apr 03 10:50:35 However code of conduct would be good Apr 03 10:50:42 yeah, a code of conduct is missing a bit Apr 03 10:52:17 Anyone from the council listening? Apr 03 10:55:12 I think the council needs to moderate the mailing lists and ban people for violating THE RULES! Apr 03 10:55:27 Also establish the three-strikes-and-you-are-out law. Apr 03 10:55:51 And do ban preemptively, based on google search for poster's activities Apr 03 10:56:32 Don't think, OBEY! Apr 03 10:57:10 1st rule) Apr 03 11:09:43 morning all Apr 03 11:11:13 morning VDVsx Apr 03 11:12:36 Almost forgot: you do not want random people on those lists, only accept people approved by the majority of council members Apr 03 11:37:18 wazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend Apr 03 11:37:24 btw (includes mer :) Apr 03 11:37:46 Stskeeps: Sure, and it should.. Apr 03 11:38:11 hehe, you going to show up as well? Apr 03 11:39:11 If all goes according to plan, yes. I intend to at least ;) Apr 03 11:39:17 wazd: any question about FRUCT to Timofey since I know little else than what was announced, thanks! Apr 03 11:39:31 X-Fade, get a beer shield Apr 03 11:40:02 X-Fade: hehe, will be good to meet up with maemo people - i regret not going to last summit :) Apr 03 11:40:07 timelE61i: Spring has come to Finland, it's mild and sunny out there Apr 03 11:40:10 Stskeeps: It would be a nice place to discuss Mer's need for community services.. Apr 03 11:40:26 yeah Apr 03 11:40:45 i hope the new flashy 0.11 ui will attract some more people to the project ,heh Apr 03 11:41:01 my masters thesis work load is starting to become bigger and bigger :) Apr 03 11:41:05 Stskeeps: Well, Mer deserves more spotlight. Apr 03 11:41:10 Is MeR fully functional on a tablet now? Apr 03 11:41:23 RST38h: oh, it works, boots and runs, connects to wifi, eats your mother in law Apr 03 11:41:51 Audio works? =) Apr 03 11:41:55 nop, not yet Apr 03 11:41:58 Lol, Sebastian cracks me up ;) Apr 03 11:41:59 that's a difficult issue Apr 03 11:41:59 eh Apr 03 11:42:33 RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtcGhei3cA , experiment with xcompmgr Apr 03 11:44:04 Stskeeps: Funny to see the cpu monitor go to 100% when doing fancy things ;) Apr 03 11:44:39 But at least it gives a nice idea of what can be done with proper .... drivers. Apr 03 11:44:43 Sts: so slow... Apr 03 11:45:11 RST38h: yeah, xcompmgr and lack of decent X server Apr 03 11:45:18 RST38h: ui is better without effects Apr 03 11:46:00 * RST38h still does not like the task navigator placement Apr 03 11:46:06 Stskeeps, no point in uploading transset-df then? ;) Apr 03 11:46:09 looks awkward Apr 03 11:46:16 RST38h: the mer menu or? Apr 03 11:48:03 mer menu Apr 03 11:48:07 *nod* Apr 03 11:48:15 where'd you want it then? it's kinda nice to have in a corner Apr 03 11:48:19 I really like the traditional Hildon desktop better Apr 03 11:48:42 The one in Mer currently looks hackish Apr 03 11:48:47 * lcuk likes bottom right as well Apr 03 11:48:55 .. bottom right? Apr 03 11:49:01 i wish we could have alternative layouts Apr 03 11:49:07 yeah i dont mind the sidebar Apr 03 11:49:09 we can, mostly Apr 03 11:49:15 but some of it requires a hildon-desktop thing Apr 03 11:49:26 yeah thats the prob Apr 03 11:49:58 but i dont mind and will adapt :) Apr 03 11:50:21 i just cant test properly till i can get a network options dialog working Apr 03 11:51:08 nothing should be at the bottom Apr 03 11:51:19 application controls are at the bottom Apr 03 11:51:41 wazd, users are different Apr 03 11:52:03 what you think is one thing, what others think is another - i dont want to have to goto top of screen to task switch Apr 03 11:52:11 its what ive always said: choice Apr 03 11:53:09 wazd: he means left-bottom corner Apr 03 11:53:12 what happens if we allow the panels themselves to be mobile? Apr 03 11:53:17 wazd: not the bottom bottom :) Apr 03 11:54:09 * RST38h basically thinks that the clutter of many-styled icons with different meanings in the top bar makes the whole layout look unprofessional Apr 03 11:54:11 RST38h, i see nothing wrong with app nobbles along the bottom (like windows does - but spread them dynamically) Apr 03 11:54:33 but i know thats a big problem because of the way apps work Apr 03 11:54:39 the sidebar is practical for my uses Apr 03 11:54:40 lcuk: There is a dumb argument against that. Wanna guess it or should I tell? ;) Apr 03 11:54:49 ^^^ Apr 03 11:54:53 * Stskeeps has his xp taskbar in the top. Apr 03 11:54:57 not even that Apr 03 11:55:08 gfi Apr 03 11:55:14 lcuk: You have already got an elongated screen (i.e. not 4/3) Apr 03 11:55:26 and? Apr 03 11:55:28 lcuk: cutting any vertical space makes it more elongated Apr 03 11:55:44 but thats exactly what the top bar does already Apr 03 11:55:45 lcuk: which is bad for just about any application other than a video player Apr 03 11:55:51 just move the bloody thing to the bottom ;) Apr 03 11:56:06 lcuk: No, the current ugly top bar uses the same space the old less-ugly top bar took on Maemo Apr 03 11:56:13 RST38h, we have a solution to the in [FULLSCREEN] Apr 03 11:56:27 lcuk: Yes, but I wouldlike that space in windowed mode too Apr 03 11:56:31 yes i know all the issues with screen space Apr 03 11:56:38 lcuk: MOVING the bar to the bottom isn't a bad idea Apr 03 11:56:46 then make every portion of every panel optional Apr 03 11:56:53 yeah thats what i meant Apr 03 11:57:03 but that gets in the way of app menus (like word selection etc) Apr 03 11:57:10 But it will still have those ugly icon clutter =( Apr 03 11:57:14 -menus + choices Apr 03 11:57:50 it only has ugly icon clutter because its doin ugly stuff, my desktop has 3 icons - battery, wifi and something else Apr 03 11:58:23 if people have lots of stuff theres no elegent way to minimize it without dynamically resizing icons (which is entirely feasible (H)) Apr 03 11:58:40 lcuk: No, Mer has got task manager there Apr 03 11:59:04 lcuk: you don't want to go to the top to switch apps?) Well, poor you :) Apr 03 11:59:04 lcuk: So it will show all active tasks as icons there, and you can't guarantee that all these icons will look uniformly Apr 03 11:59:09 * lcuk will have to make a panel demonstration to describe how i feel Apr 03 11:59:46 * RST38h thinks the task list has to be all hidden in a single menu Apr 03 11:59:51 RST38h, spread across available space its not bad :) Apr 03 12:00:00 lcuk: Developers would not write 1000 lines of code for 1 person with some religious restrictions :) Apr 03 12:00:05 lcuk: urgh. Apr 03 12:00:21 qGil: yeah, time for me to go elsewhere :) Apr 03 12:00:25 wazd: What if he has got a nuke and is ready to launch? =) Apr 03 12:00:31 [lcuk, get a nuke, quickly] Apr 03 12:00:33 wazd? most oses have movable panels and dynamic elements Apr 03 12:00:45 and what if that religious person can code the 1000 lines himself :) Apr 03 12:01:19 lcuk: none of portable has it Apr 03 12:01:45 the sidebar has been a practical part of the os now for a long time Apr 03 12:01:52 lcuk: winmo, symbian, blackberry, iphone - none Apr 03 12:04:06 Question: The IPV4 tab in the network connections app in mer, what order are the columns? ip - netmask - gate? Apr 03 12:06:18 wazd, dont they all have a single button right near the bottom middle of the screen to bring up menus and controls - most you dont explicitely need to goto the top of the screen for Apr 03 12:07:11 lcuk: well, they don't :) Apr 03 12:07:45 lcuk: winmo - top-right, blackberry - hardware, symbian - hardware, iphone - hardware Apr 03 12:08:17 winmo depends on the phone model but those models have a "menu" type button in the usual place Apr 03 12:08:24 winmo ^ Apr 03 12:08:25 winmp - top-left, sorry Apr 03 12:09:21 lcuk: ok, winmo has hardware button too if you mean smartphone edition Apr 03 12:09:24 doesnt matter anyway, like i said ill play much more and it will evolve, its certainly not any kind of issue Apr 03 12:10:08 wazd,lcuk: Folks, by now it appears clear that this stuff has to become configurable Apr 03 12:10:40 ok, how can you place mer menu button on the bottom?) Apr 03 12:11:02 I'm just curious Apr 03 12:11:04 wazd: he really just wants to be able to move the whole top bar to the bottom Apr 03 12:11:18 wazd: That should pose no problem as it is not taking any extra space Apr 03 12:11:21 RST38h: and it will mess with app's controls? Apr 03 12:11:22 i dont i know that causes bigger problems Apr 03 12:11:25 just swaps things aroung Apr 03 12:11:32 * lcuk merely expressed the fact i like the sidebar Apr 03 12:11:35 wazd: the app control bar can be automatically moved up Apr 03 12:11:36 * VDVsx thinks winmo UI is the most poorly UI seen so far on a mobile device :P Apr 03 12:11:48 * RST38h also likes sidebar btw Apr 03 12:11:50 RST38h: app controlls on the top?) Apr 03 12:11:58 wazd: yea, why not? Apr 03 12:12:26 RST38h: that needs to improve themes Apr 03 12:12:26 wazd: but this kind of trick really shouldn't be difficult to achieve Apr 03 12:12:31 yea Apr 03 12:12:49 Sts: But no way to return the sidebar? Apr 03 12:13:35 RST38h, it impacts a lot of things and shock horror thetop bar will then look empty and might need some sort of caption bar for the current application or something ;) Apr 03 12:13:54 lcuk: Like the original thing :) Apr 03 12:14:06 lcuk: Although I can trade the title for more status bar space :) Apr 03 12:14:16 agreed Apr 03 12:14:28 the little closeup thing feels so wrong Apr 03 12:14:46 * lcuk would resize all icons to fit required area Apr 03 12:15:15 And again Apr 03 12:15:50 I don't understand why the hell a button right under your left thumb would be uncomfortable to you Apr 03 12:16:52 eh? im left handed, i hold it with my right hand Apr 03 12:17:19 and i hold it near the bottom of the scree n near the n810 sliding hinge thing Apr 03 12:17:25 i dont wrap around the top at all Apr 03 12:17:26 lcuk: so we need an option to reverse the title?) Apr 03 12:17:26 NOW we know :) Apr 03 12:18:03 lcuk: that's actually much easier than making it movable Apr 03 12:18:09 i'm all for configurability if someone sends a patch. Apr 03 12:18:24 will gladly add it Apr 03 12:18:49 mer = less talking, more doing Apr 03 12:19:51 wazd,like i said, ill get used to it - i use normal scissors and stuff ;) Apr 03 12:20:16 and if im really pissed off with something i code around the problem ;) Apr 03 12:20:25 bbl anyway \o Apr 03 12:36:55 Hi! Maemo can make use of user-mode filesystems drivers, right? Apr 03 12:38:23 FUSE is in Extras if that is what you mean Apr 03 12:39:53 perfect Apr 03 12:40:00 thanks :) Apr 03 12:55:58 aquatix: I'm sorry ?! Apr 03 12:56:19 eh? Apr 03 12:57:01 jeez__: what's up? Apr 03 12:59:42 [05:08] jeez_away: trying to make it suitable for your front lawn? Apr 03 12:59:52 [05:08] so you can put it to red when you want to leave your home comfortably? :) Apr 03 13:00:00 aquatix: ^^ Apr 03 13:00:56 ah :) Apr 03 13:01:10 so you can let the other cars wait till you cross the street Apr 03 13:03:19 aquatix: I'm sorry again :P, but I really don't know what you are talking about! Apr 03 13:04:24 oh crap Apr 03 13:04:30 jeez__: sorry, tab error Apr 03 13:04:50 i meant jaem_N810 Apr 03 13:05:06 my sincere apologies :) Apr 03 13:05:33 aquatix: no problem :) Apr 03 13:24:02 any mentor here? Apr 03 13:24:29 mib_cbsa15ne, what you need ? Apr 03 13:24:41 for GSoC Apr 03 13:25:12 mib_cbsa15ne, yup Apr 03 13:26:20 Do we need to specify the deliverables in application right now? Apr 03 13:27:53 I will like to take up the OpenSocial application Apr 03 13:28:18 My profile link :http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharmamahesh Apr 03 13:28:27 mib_cbsa15ne, yes, you have to reply to all the questions in the student template Apr 03 13:28:42 I havent worked on Maemo but :'( Apr 03 13:29:02 I thought I would learn while working. Apr 03 13:32:01 i'm looking for a mentor for gsoc. Custom application i'm about to plan/build concerning audio/midi with touch interfaces Apr 03 13:33:54 its not exaaactly maemo-specific because i build it in python, but i already planned (from the beginning) to use it on my n810, so i can actually develop it for maemo first. Apr 03 13:34:38 riot, make a proposal :P Apr 03 13:34:56 VDVsx: you think it might get accepted? ;) Apr 03 13:35:41 riot, dunno, can you explain your project a little bit further ? Apr 03 13:38:03 can do. i already developed a (very stupid) first prototype. It enables to control two midi-parameters via finger touch (and udp to a e.g. windows machine running a virtual synth). Like korg's kaoss devices (thus the project name: Chaoss). But i thought that i could extend it to a way more complete platform by integrating whole sequencers (e.g. http://www.glitchds.com/about/ ) and lots of other ideas Apr 03 13:40:35 riot, seems interesting to me, see also : http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2009/03/tablet-music-making.html Apr 03 13:41:04 i tried the theremin, its quite going into my direction Apr 03 13:41:58 ok, then i'll write a proposal :) Apr 03 13:42:57 aah, one thing: what license would this have to be published under? Apr 03 13:46:29 riot, OSI license, choose one :P Apr 03 13:47:30 Someone here who can answer question about Maemo GSoC? Apr 03 13:47:35 questions* Apr 03 13:51:24 VDVsx: i'd like to restrict commercial use, do you think that is possible/acceptable? Apr 03 13:52:02 riot, why ? Apr 03 13:52:05 Can somebody fix qgil's camelCase page on the wiki? Apr 03 13:52:36 GAN800, ? Apr 03 13:53:01 The Mozilla meetup page on the wiki Apr 03 13:53:19 It needs to be moved to a name that's not camelCasr Apr 03 13:53:42 lbt: ping Apr 03 13:55:52 frade, pvt ? Apr 03 13:57:52 VDVsx: it probably doesn't make much sense to restrict that, but i thought i might eventually found a small company dedicated to manufacturing special studio/live hardware to run the software lateron.. Apr 03 13:58:28 http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php < these things are way expensive, you know ;) Apr 03 13:59:12 riot, AGPL v3 can do that, I think, but I'm not a license expert, better check it Apr 03 14:02:21 well its not that important.. i could also work out a nice business model around fully gpl'd code, like special order modules etc. Apr 03 14:14:26 ok, Internet Call and Chat.. rtcomm/telepathy based and closed source UI, right? Apr 03 14:15:23 X-Fade, ping Apr 03 14:16:44 Stskeeps, rtcomm isn't really a thing. it's more of a collective name given to the chat, internet call etc. http://repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/diablo/free/ is a nice folder to look at. Apr 03 14:17:11 ok, so what is the internet call stuff? Apr 03 14:18:19 and Quiver is the best images viewer but is closed source? Apr 03 14:18:30 yes Apr 03 14:18:41 k Apr 03 14:18:46 (I would add IMHO but it really is the best but is closed source) Apr 03 14:18:49 * Stskeeps is writing 1.0 wishlist) Apr 03 14:20:04 and calculators that aren't ATI? Apr 03 14:21:39 Maemo calculators are common as anything, the Maemo default one is open source, Galculator has hildon support in it (When I packaged it for Maemo, I just added fullscreen and tap and hold: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/galculator/) Apr 03 14:21:59 Anyone here with maemo wiki delete premissions ? Apr 03 14:23:39 just start an edit war Apr 03 14:23:46 edit it to what you want Apr 03 14:29:01 VDVsx, :O you can delete stuff from a wiki, i thought it existed always and forever - set in stone sorta thing Apr 03 14:29:15 everytime i make a cockup, i edit a further 50 pages to lose it in the noise Apr 03 14:29:43 lcuk, admin's can Apr 03 14:29:59 admins are gods :O Apr 03 14:31:02 lcuk, I redirected a page instead of moving it, I will be kicked in the next couple of min/hours :( Apr 03 14:31:26 flogged, tarred and feathered by x-fade no doubt Apr 03 14:31:37 (after hes finished with qwerty that is) Apr 03 14:32:08 and GAN too :( Apr 03 14:32:41 whats gan done to deserve a flogging? Apr 03 14:33:45 lcuk, no, GAN will kick me too :p Apr 03 14:33:57 hehe Apr 03 14:34:11 * VDVsx hide Apr 03 14:41:34 new calculator for gsoc proposal: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/OMGWTF-Finalist-06-OMG!OCRCAL.aspx Apr 03 14:43:13 lcuk, OMG :o Apr 03 14:43:59 crazy people, go do something useful :P Apr 03 14:44:41 alterego, ping? Apr 03 14:47:22 hola Apr 03 14:52:10 hmm, do you believe in a lot of apps preinstalled or basic stuff installed and then downloadable? Apr 03 14:54:29 I like *some* "good" (but of course: this is my definition of good...) apps installed but I hated Nokia's approach to installing 3rd party apps, those icons in the menu, like "Install Skype?" Apr 03 14:55:00 * VDVsx likes lots of apps to play around, but like to have the best one's in each category instead of 3000 apps doing the same :P Apr 03 14:55:27 as in, i prefer an initial firmware with the basic stuff, connectivity, browser and maybe media player, and application manager to install the rest Apr 03 14:56:22 Well, Extras is available so at least I can get mmpc easily. I'm happy. Apr 03 14:56:32 just pondering how 1.0 should look Apr 03 14:57:35 how about a decent file manager? Apr 03 14:57:42 +1 for that Apr 03 14:57:46 ah, yeah Apr 03 14:57:51 we actually have a good candidate Apr 03 14:57:59 Really? Apr 03 14:58:00 Where? Apr 03 14:58:06 some student was bored enough to write a clone of the Nokia one Apr 03 14:58:21 Did he clone its bugs? Apr 03 14:58:25 http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/finefm.png Apr 03 14:58:27 * timelE61i hopes not Apr 03 14:58:28 no clue, but at least they're fixable.. Apr 03 14:58:32 Well, it uses libhildonfm... Apr 03 14:58:40 that's a bug Apr 03 14:58:54 VDVsx: Can I ask you questions about Maemo GSoC? Apr 03 14:58:57 at least you can specify a path at the top though Apr 03 14:59:09 JvA, sure Apr 03 14:59:17 VDVsx: Can I msg you? Apr 03 14:59:18 I'm not sure that's a feature Apr 03 14:59:22 The nokia one has this charming habbit when "moving" a file over bluetooth, if the file transfer fails, it still deletes the source file, leaving you at best with the broken destination file :) Apr 03 14:59:28 JvA, ok Apr 03 14:59:30 The osx behavior is arguably better Apr 03 14:59:48 Heh Apr 03 14:59:51 in any case, we're able to hack the living bits out of this one Apr 03 15:01:21 Stskeeps: how have you dealt with the proprietary bits, or is this looking forward some way? Apr 03 15:01:33 as in the battery stuff, etc Apr 03 15:02:07 lardman: right now we don't have battery stuff, until someone writes a hald-addon-bme based on my writeup on how BME communicates Apr 03 15:02:16 daperl was working on it but got distracted Apr 03 15:02:34 lardman: the software and everything for making "restricted" images is all ready Apr 03 15:02:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Proposals/Community_Firmware Apr 03 15:02:56 * lardman mumbles about a mailing list being useful to keep up to date ;) Apr 03 15:03:05 yeah.. i know Apr 03 15:03:31 where's your write-up out of interest? Apr 03 15:03:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol Apr 03 15:05:08 thanks Apr 03 15:05:20 am off home now, cu all later Apr 03 17:19:38 just a quick question, when the hell are we going to get a unified UI on our n810 Apr 03 17:20:16 s/1/x/ Apr 03 17:20:16 crashanddie meant: just a quick question, when the hell are we going to get a unified UI on our n8x0 Apr 03 17:20:57 I mean, seriously, the only reason why I can't be bothered to take my n810 with me anymore is that it's just so dog slow because it has to load 10s of different libraries Apr 03 17:21:05 crashanddie: it's called Mer? :P Apr 03 17:21:33 and library hell is something linux has sadly taken over from windows, heh Apr 03 17:21:40 we've had enough time to play around with the beauty of it's openess, how about we all got round to actually building something that looks like a product, and that a stack pile of half finished dong clonked together? Apr 03 17:21:53 it's an its Apr 03 17:22:15 s/and that/rather than/ Apr 03 17:22:27 crashanddie: btw, hackfest in copenhagen in end of may, maemo-mozilla-mer Apr 03 17:23:29 I'm already taken that weekend, sadly Apr 03 17:23:31 k Apr 03 17:23:45 granps 80s anniversary! Apr 03 17:23:55 i see you got liqbase up and running then seb :P Apr 03 17:24:38 lcuk: how about you give me something to play with, and I'll give you an OS that does only that, use liqbase as its graphical interface? Apr 03 17:25:05 no shit about loading GTK, QT, Python and all the crap we have running on the n8x0 at the moment Apr 03 17:25:09 ive given you something to play with, you have the core liqbase library source now :) Apr 03 17:25:29 crashanddie: i vote for qt Apr 03 17:26:08 Stskeeps: if this were a 1.2Ghz CPU with 512 megs of ram, I might be inclined to agree with you Apr 03 17:26:26 crashanddie: well if i had qtopia on my silly ipaq 3630.. Apr 03 17:26:27 Stskeeps: sadly, it's only a quarter of that Apr 03 17:26:33 qt isnt slow Apr 03 17:27:02 i wouldv used it (and still might end up creating a c++ based ui which uses qt object libraries ;) Apr 03 17:27:42 lcuk: would liqbase be able to handle say.... 5000 different cells containing a bit of text? Apr 03 17:27:54 try it :) Apr 03 17:28:02 lcuk: would it or not? Apr 03 17:28:06 yes Apr 03 17:28:16 not all on screen at once, but yeah on a big tilemap Apr 03 17:28:17 i defy anyone to do the same in a Qt window Apr 03 17:28:21 they can Apr 03 17:28:23 its easy Apr 03 17:28:25 hey, there is no substr function in glib ? Apr 03 17:28:27 theres a super map in qt Apr 03 17:28:27 show me Apr 03 17:28:42 I've had bad experiences with Qt in the past Apr 03 17:28:51 as much as I do believe it has potentiel, I don't think we're there yet Apr 03 17:29:06 and sod it, Qt or anything else, I don't give a fuck, not my point Apr 03 17:29:11 I want a unified UI Apr 03 17:30:01 I don't want to have a beautiful home screen window, which is ruined by ugly big fonts and poorly drawn windows that take up half the screen real estate as soon as I open a browser Apr 03 17:30:25 for crying out loud, we have double the pixel density of the iphone, but yet achieve to only display what, a quarter of the information? Apr 03 17:30:49 (This rant is brought to you by PowerGen) Apr 03 17:31:05 Actually, it isn't, it's inspired by Fennec Apr 03 17:31:06 crashanddie: part of it is from maemo not applying sane theming to non-hildon apps really Apr 03 17:31:23 Stskeeps: I know that, trust me I do Apr 03 17:31:31 Stskeeps: but having an explanation for it does not excuse it Apr 03 17:31:39 of course not Apr 03 17:31:49 * Stskeeps stopped complaining and started doing instead though Apr 03 17:32:09 oh, Stskeeps fuck off :P How many times did I come here to complain? Apr 03 17:32:19 http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/03/03/performance-and-qt-45/ Apr 03 17:32:24 crashanddie: s/complain/rant/ :P Apr 03 17:32:38 And I do help... I give lcuk my unconditionnal support and assistance Apr 03 17:32:49 which is worth 5% of $580k Apr 03 17:32:55 heh Apr 03 17:32:56 hehe Apr 03 17:33:24 mmm unconditional you say Apr 03 17:33:28 Stskeeps: you think I rant here too often? Wait until you see my blog Apr 03 17:33:39 crashanddie: saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtcGhei3cA ? ignore the slow effects Apr 03 17:33:52 and the unthemed top bar Apr 03 17:34:12 shame you cant tell youtube to play at doublespeed Apr 03 17:34:16 :D Apr 03 17:34:33 Stskeeps: I like that Apr 03 17:34:47 VDVsx: Got some more time? Apr 03 17:34:56 Stskeeps: is there a fiasco image ready somewhere allowing me to get Mer easily? Apr 03 17:35:17 crashanddie: there's a kernel + jffs image but it's kinda experimental still Apr 03 17:35:26 you can also try it on the vmdk Apr 03 17:35:28 Stskeeps: I'd contribute to that :) Apr 03 17:35:30 just pop it into vmware or virtualbox Apr 03 17:35:40 Nha, sorry, no can do Apr 03 17:35:49 fair enough Apr 03 17:36:01 I run 3 VMs from 9AM till 11PM, I can't see the VMware icon after hours Apr 03 17:36:41 hehe Apr 03 17:36:47 I don't mind experimental Apr 03 17:36:54 as long as I can flash back to a usable state Apr 03 17:37:33 btw, n810 here, anyone got a place I can buy a minisd to microsd adapter? Apr 03 17:37:41 You can boot from card; or dump your flash Apr 03 17:37:57 (that works, I heard sandisk adapters were dodgy at best) Apr 03 17:38:23 I'll buy a 16gig microsd right away if someone gets me that :) Apr 03 17:38:25 crashanddie: if flash back meaning reflash using the fiasco image from nokia, sure :P Apr 03 17:38:33 Stskeeps: yeah Apr 03 17:38:43 Stskeeps: as long as it doesn't brick my device I'm good :) Apr 03 17:38:58 just hope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU doesn't happen to you Apr 03 17:39:20 lmao Apr 03 17:39:31 refresh rate fail? Apr 03 17:39:31 (that is btw, my tablet.) Apr 03 17:39:46 no idea Apr 03 17:39:49 synchronization fail Apr 03 17:40:05 it stays stable at times and is unusually effective at getting me awake in the morning Apr 03 17:40:44 so? Anyone? Apr 03 17:40:52 (mini-sd converter) Apr 03 17:42:11 JvA, yup Apr 03 17:42:20 crashanddie: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.11testing2 for testing Apr 03 17:42:22 jffs + kernel Apr 03 17:43:08 http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Flashable_Image Apr 03 17:47:03 crashanddie: I've got a Qt program that displays 700000+ cells with text Apr 03 17:47:35 Where you run into problems is when you try dynamically resizing every cell to fit it's contents. That would take a year. Apr 03 17:48:00 'lo yerga Apr 03 17:48:16 halp, i cant install anything from repos Apr 03 17:48:18 libwebkit depends on libglib2.12.12-1osso10 but i run 2.12.12-1osso9 Apr 03 17:48:28 Hi Stskeeps Apr 03 17:48:31 and upgrading to 10 will bust my whole system - so im not. Apr 03 17:48:49 bjv: 770? run os2008he on it? Apr 03 17:48:52 despite the dependency, webkit runs fine with 9, - no crashes, no errors Apr 03 17:49:00 qwerty12_N800: this is 2008HE Apr 03 17:49:10 yerga: hey, tried gftp .19 maemo3 yet? :) Apr 03 17:49:34 anyone had any issues with sandisk micro -> mini adaptors? Apr 03 17:49:37 even if i could install packages, i dont see an Equivs available in the repo Apr 03 17:49:41 so i cant make a dummy package. Apr 03 17:49:47 bjv: you're out of luck then, glib is newer in diablo - which isn't available for 770 Apr 03 17:49:54 qwerty12_N800, tried maemo1 yesterday, not yet maemo3 Apr 03 17:50:04 what about just suppressing the apt-error Apr 03 17:50:07 * Stskeeps ponders to try out testing2 on 770 Apr 03 17:50:18 yerga: cool :) Apr 03 17:50:27 i just want to be able to install other, unrelated packages Apr 03 17:50:35 without having to uninstall/reinstall webkit Apr 03 17:50:44 c'mon, got a train to catch Apr 03 17:50:58 s/mon/ya/ Apr 03 17:51:00 crashanddie meant: c'ya, got a train to catch **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 03 18:33:43 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 03 18:36:14 2009 Apr 03 18:37:24 * b0unc3_ is happy with his home-made g_substr :) Apr 03 18:42:45 b0unc3_, doesnt that already exist / Apr 03 18:43:06 * lcuk has remade stuffs himself far too often though :D Apr 03 18:44:13 * lcuk throws a lobster @ LinuxCode Apr 03 18:44:27 hi lcuk Apr 03 18:44:43 hiya woglinde \o Apr 03 18:44:46 how goes it Apr 03 18:45:22 lcuk: I didn't find it... (in the offical docs) Apr 03 18:45:42 heh thats always the way Apr 03 18:46:50 hm today I learned how to analyze a kernel oops Apr 03 18:46:53 nifty Apr 03 18:47:09 not bad at all Apr 03 18:47:23 * lcuk misses guru meditations Apr 03 18:47:45 vening lcuk Apr 03 18:47:47 e Apr 03 18:48:00 guru meditation errors ? Apr 03 18:48:06 haha Apr 03 18:48:12 god how annoying those were Apr 03 18:48:29 they only happened when something was broked Apr 03 18:48:30 kids these days dont know how to appreciate modern computers that dont crash Apr 03 18:48:49 a crash is considered "normal" Apr 03 18:48:53 * lcuk shakes head Apr 03 18:48:57 lcuk, tell my amiga that Apr 03 18:49:00 lol Apr 03 18:49:41 it was rare to have one Apr 03 18:49:46 maybe you just mistreated yours :P Apr 03 18:50:53 maybe lol Apr 03 18:51:11 or I spent way too much time on it Apr 03 18:51:46 probably Apr 03 18:52:07 has it been sunny down your way Apr 03 18:53:21 yes Apr 03 18:53:26 I mowed the back lawn today Apr 03 18:54:40 heh are you having a bbq soon Apr 03 18:54:51 doubtful Apr 03 18:54:59 its gonna piss down tomorrow Apr 03 18:55:09 it was snowing last week Apr 03 18:55:18 but as soon as the sun came out ppl went to b&q Apr 03 18:55:26 ohh actually it wont Apr 03 18:56:40 quick! you have 5 minutes before it shuts Apr 03 18:56:44 they have a sale on lol Apr 03 18:57:02 sale on sun ? Apr 03 18:57:24 yeah actually, 7 billion Apr 03 18:57:30 ibm are checking ;) Apr 03 19:02:25 evening qgil \o Apr 03 19:02:52 anybody making plans for Copenhagen? I'm interested hearing first impressions about http://maemo.org/news/announcements/developer_call_mozilla_maemo_danish_weekend/ Apr 03 19:02:54 lcuk, 42 GSoC + 5 ineligible :) Apr 03 19:02:57 hi lcuk Apr 03 19:03:12 yeah VDVsx ive been watching Apr 03 19:03:47 qgil, can't go to is in the same weekend of my graduation :( Apr 03 19:03:55 argh Apr 03 19:04:07 qgil: i'll be there Apr 03 19:04:07 :) Apr 03 19:04:32 cool Apr 03 19:04:33 awww VDVsx, that is a shame, i was hoping you would be there Apr 03 19:04:54 qgil: how many people are you expecting? Apr 03 19:05:20 it's a bit of a mystery since it also depends on the response of the Mozilla side Apr 03 19:05:20 qgil, since theres some nokians going, are you planning a roadtrip! Apr 03 19:05:26 but... 150? Apr 03 19:05:32 i'm on the mozilla side, and wondering, heh. Apr 03 19:05:52 i guess i should just ask Christian whenever he gets back Apr 03 19:05:54 lcuk, don't worry, I will buy you the absinthe bottle in Amsterdam, ahahah Apr 03 19:06:11 thats for qole, im not really a drinker Apr 03 19:06:16 * RST38h wonders what happens if grossly more people come from one of the sides Apr 03 19:06:19 ah, if more people would know how cool Maemo 5 is going to be in-your-hands....... Apr 03 19:06:31 actually qgil, if theres t-shirts, make sure jussi isnt in charge of selection Apr 03 19:06:51 RST38h: I'm expecting more people from the Maemo side Apr 03 19:06:55 * lcuk remembers his threat Apr 03 19:07:06 lcuk, I have one, hehe Apr 03 19:07:18 VDVsx, i have a couple Apr 03 19:07:20 if the Fremantle Stars and the Mer project can get track of their contributors + other consolidated projects like GPodder etc Apr 03 19:07:22 i wear them when coding Apr 03 19:07:25 qgil: Hehe =) Apr 03 19:07:49 I would be happy if the council takes over the shirts :) Apr 03 19:08:12 heh good idea Apr 03 19:09:23 how was the rally today VDVsx Apr 03 19:10:08 lcuk, lots of accidents, gonna see live tomorrow again Apr 03 19:10:09 we need to make sure that people understands that is a Mozilla/Maemo devloper event but not only about MozillaANDMaemo development Apr 03 19:11:26 think i'll put out a reference to the event along with the 0.11 mer release as well, to get some more eyes on it Apr 03 19:12:00 qgil, but are those mozilla developers gonna showcase their browser stuffs? Apr 03 19:12:34 Stskeeps, "free ticket with every download*" Apr 03 19:12:46 qgil: it might help to have the registration list online (think it was like that for the summit?), as well Apr 03 19:12:59 *entry fee only, you must travel to event under your own steam Apr 03 19:13:06 lcuk: ask the mozillas about their development but I guess so, of course Apr 03 19:13:17 cool Apr 03 19:13:24 or at least a preliminary participants list on wiki Apr 03 19:13:28 Stskeeps: I though it would be online and visible - I'll ask on Monday Apr 03 19:15:03 lcuk: we're working on an agenda, but we'll for sure cover browser stuffs, addons, cool stuff that you can do with maemo in fennec, etc Apr 03 19:15:30 \m/ :D \m/ Apr 03 19:15:33 if you have any things you'd like to be covered specifically, just let me or others know Apr 03 19:15:50 I just remembered that I got admin permission to that registration. 5 people registered now. :) Apr 03 19:16:14 there are a lot of european addon developers, wouldn't surprise me to have a lot of them show up Apr 03 19:16:23 Pavlov, fast and slick is primary Apr 03 19:16:38 ah, yes, that should be pretty well covered Apr 03 19:17:07 excellent Apr 03 19:18:07 also, i might have been a OSS developer for what 9 years now, and it's first now i hear of hackfests - maybe it would be good to state a bit of structure if there is any, beyond developers getting together for various purposes and tasks Apr 03 19:19:58 Stskeeps: it is you who sets the structure :) Apr 03 19:20:04 hehe, okay Apr 03 19:20:13 there will be a schedule based on the input of the projects Apr 03 19:20:44 you can start thinking what do you want for the Mer related activities Apr 03 19:21:10 no worris, we will assemble th pieces of the puzzle in a hopefully meaningful way, as we did at the end with the Maemo Summit Apr 03 19:21:30 the difference is that pure coding should take 50% of the schedule or more, so to say Apr 03 19:23:31 yeah - i have some ideas related to Mer 1.0 - which is the day-to-day usable Mer version, which many probably can find purpose in :P Apr 03 19:23:58 hacking competition! Apr 03 19:26:12 gah, where is my rs-mmc to sd adaptor.. Apr 03 19:26:33 the one evening i feel like hacking a bit at the 770 port Apr 03 19:26:43 bbl Apr 03 19:26:47 cyas in a bit \o Apr 03 19:55:24 anyone around with 2007HE? or earlier Apr 03 19:57:27 http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8179703&oext=1038A&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=8179703 wow they are getting cheap! Apr 03 19:58:11 yeah Apr 03 19:58:36 when did that happen, i looked like 6 months ago and they were still $350ish Apr 03 19:59:21 i actually own 3 770s.. it'd be fun to finally move up to the 810 and i cant talk myself out of it by saying "for that money you could get a netbook!" Apr 03 19:59:26 at that price Apr 03 20:01:12 * Stskeeps tries to boot up mer on his 770 Apr 03 20:08:43 scary, it's actually usable Apr 03 20:20:31 Pio: but a N810 is better than a netbook!@ Apr 03 20:20:43 well, it could be if the keyboard didn't suck anyhow Apr 03 20:20:47 yeah, it can be Apr 03 20:21:20 i always wander around with a 770 in my pocket, cant do that with a netbook Apr 03 20:33:13 ah Apr 03 20:33:20 solved the mystery of the missing menu in control panel Apr 03 20:33:36 there is actually no menu items cos we don't have -DMAEMO_TOOLS (RFS, CUD) Apr 03 20:35:20 (-> VDVsx ) Apr 03 20:35:35 ???? Apr 03 20:36:13 woglinde: basically there's a define deciding if maemo tools exist on the system, restore to original state, for instance Apr 03 20:42:16 Stskeeps, I don't have the magical button too, gonna dist-upgrade Apr 03 20:42:34 VDVsx: k, and rm -rf ~/.osso/hildon-desktop and reboot Apr 03 20:49:33 Stskeeps, the UI response in mer 0.11 seems a little bit faster than in 0.9 (specially the app menu) Apr 03 20:50:23 probably also helps a little bit that we removed tty2..9, heh Apr 03 20:50:28 like, login shells on them Apr 03 20:52:01 Stskeeps, the application manager is the new one for fremantle or is a custom made for mer ? Apr 03 20:52:40 .. in between Apr 03 20:53:27 seems similar to the one shown in the maemo 5 on the beagleboard video Apr 03 20:54:52 it's a snapshot of a fremantle application manager but it has maemo.org community extensions on it Apr 03 20:55:03 * RST38h has completed a piece of a job Apr 03 20:57:31 Stskeeps: did Jaffa apply yerga's repository patch on it? Apr 03 20:58:37 qwerty12_N800: think so Apr 03 20:58:57 qwerty12_N800: but i dunno Apr 03 20:59:04 Wicked: It's fkn useful. Apr 03 21:16:09 so... I have a C project that runs on a linux machine. Apr 03 21:16:18 how would I go about getting that C program ported to maemo? Apr 03 21:16:48 scratchbox fun Apr 03 21:17:00 what is scratchbox? Apr 03 21:17:13 complicated Apr 03 21:17:39 tds5016: http://maemo.org/development/ Apr 03 21:18:39 haha, now if only this stupid thing were easy to get this ported to python. Apr 03 21:18:39 haha. Apr 03 21:43:34 ugh Apr 03 21:43:51 taking forever to figure out this damn zimbra skin thing Apr 03 21:43:59 trying to be l33t and customize my zimbra install Apr 03 21:46:23 hi all Apr 03 21:48:37 anybody here? Apr 03 21:50:33 hello t1x Apr 03 21:52:13 hi Apr 03 22:11:50 http://pics.livejournal.com/texconten/pic/0002d4dg Apr 03 22:11:59 live bait Apr 03 22:16:25 RST38h, thats not good Apr 03 22:16:36 * lcuk karate chops Stskeeps Apr 03 22:16:49 hehe Apr 03 22:17:18 lcuk: not good for whom of the participants? Apr 03 22:17:38 the shark Apr 03 22:17:47 it's a gamble for the shark Apr 03 22:19:46 i rescued a hedgehog tonight! Apr 03 22:20:09 was it tasty? Apr 03 22:20:12 gave it milk? Apr 03 22:20:19 a bit sharp on the tongue Apr 03 22:20:24 From the North? Apr 03 22:20:30 damn thing nearly popped my tyres! Apr 03 22:20:35 heh Apr 03 22:20:49 i stopped though and picked it up and rescued it :) Apr 03 22:21:30 in the time it took us to turn round about 5 other cars had just missed it as well Apr 03 22:21:35 damn lucky little thing Apr 03 22:21:55 yes qwerty12_N800, from the north Apr 03 22:22:00 it was out without a jacket on Apr 03 22:22:42 you mean, it was bald? Apr 03 22:23:22 heh no it had a tshirt on :P Apr 03 22:24:19 =) Apr 03 22:37:32 "Object is only to be approached by Non-conscious individuals, at most under hypnotic suggestion." Apr 03 22:48:51 * lcuk puts 10p in the chan Apr 03 22:50:38 for a beer? Apr 03 22:50:49 to start the great machine up again Apr 03 22:50:55 but beer is just as good Apr 03 22:50:59 I'm unable to get a Bluetooth keyboard to pair with my N810. Apr 03 22:51:00 mine is warm tho :( Apr 03 22:51:24 robink, before bashing head for hours trying strange stuff, try turning both off and on again Apr 03 22:51:32 lcuk: OK. Apr 03 22:51:32 Cool it down in yellow snow Apr 03 22:51:47 Which should I turn on first? Apr 03 22:51:54 the nokia :) Apr 03 22:52:04 thats the usual method Apr 03 22:52:44 paul blart mall cop is cool btw :D Apr 03 22:53:10 its like die hard after bruce willis let himself go Apr 03 22:56:09 lcuk: That didn't fix it. Apr 03 22:57:24 damn Apr 03 22:57:44 did it work earlier on Apr 03 22:57:48 or is this the first time Apr 03 22:57:54 01*45538./4.1518519.5 Apr 03 22:57:59 ^tracy Apr 03 22:58:14 she got home (cant you tell) Apr 03 22:59:05 good nite Apr 03 22:59:40 Do you have to do something silly like type the PIN on the keyboard? Apr 03 22:59:51 The Nokia device wants to specify a PIN, but the keyboard presumably has no way of knowing it. Apr 03 23:00:01 first time connection on some keyboards yeah Apr 03 23:00:59 what kind is it Apr 03 23:02:23 robink: 0000? Apr 03 23:03:30 lcuk: Apple Wireless Apr 03 23:03:37 Stskeeps: I could try that... Apr 03 23:03:45 Dang it, now I can't unpair it from the Mac Apr 03 23:04:02 I tried pairing it with the Mac to see if that would work (I had to enter a PIN on the keyboard). Apr 03 23:04:05 ...now I can't unpair it. Apr 03 23:04:10 apple store guys tell you it wont work ;) Apr 03 23:04:25 why cant u unpair it? Apr 03 23:04:38 just shut the mac down, put it in a box, send it to this address: ... Apr 03 23:04:39 lcuk: Well I unpaired it from the Mac end, but now it won't pair with any other device. Apr 03 23:05:00 take batteries out, put em back in, press the doofer button on top right and go with the flow Apr 03 23:05:00 lcuk: It starts up and then immediately turns off when the mac doesn't show up. Apr 03 23:05:03 lcuk: OK. Apr 03 23:05:04 it has instructions i believe Apr 03 23:05:19 lcuk: Only for setting it up with a Mac, and nothing about unpairing it. Apr 03 23:05:30 heh yeah Apr 03 23:05:31 lcuk: The instructions literally say "Turn the Mac on and follow the on-screen instructions" Apr 03 23:05:54 the geniuses looked at tracy like she was an alien when she said my bf wants it for his nokia Apr 03 23:07:20 Yes! Apr 03 23:07:43 don't you mean "Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!" Apr 03 23:08:26 lcuk: I s'pose Apr 03 23:08:39 Odd, the power light doesn't light after pairing, but the keyboard works. Apr 03 23:08:56 illuminated light all the time drains battery Apr 03 23:09:02 lcuk: Ah. Apr 03 23:09:05 * lcuk likes his apple one Apr 03 23:09:17 robink: there's a page dedicated to it: http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/keyboard/ Apr 03 23:10:31 bbiab Apr 03 23:10:40 'k Apr 03 23:10:49 Should I have gotten a Palm keyboard? Apr 03 23:12:47 This keyboard is fantastic and it works, but the Palm keyboard is foldable. Apr 03 23:12:57 Only drawback is it has a little stand for Palm devices... Apr 03 23:58:45 my n810 has just developed ans issue with it's default browser.. it hangs with an updating message window and will not resolve any websites. i can use fenec as well as the usual day to day networked apps. any ideas? Apr 03 23:59:34 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25526 Apr 03 23:59:37 Nullm0dem, ^ Apr 04 00:00:33 ...bit of latency with the bluetooth keyboard Apr 04 00:00:41 All keystrokes register, but there's a small delay. Apr 04 00:00:49 robink, what apps are you suing it with to get the lag? Apr 04 00:01:03 lcuk: xterm and Notes. Apr 04 00:01:20 thanks lcuk Apr 04 00:01:24 i never noticed lag, but then again i run my cpu in performance mode Apr 04 00:01:42 in the regular ondemand i do notice lots of things aren't "snappy" Apr 04 00:02:39 lcuk: hmm. What kind of battery life do you get when you run in performance mode? Apr 04 00:03:10 no noticable drain unless theres an app behaving badly Apr 04 00:03:15 Really? Wow. Apr 04 00:03:16 extra drain ^ Apr 04 00:03:16 I'll try that. Apr 04 00:03:28 liqbase includes a gui screen for changing it :) Apr 04 00:43:16 i like liqbase drowing Apr 04 00:46:02 t1x_ :) http://liqbase.net/liq.20090404_014440.lib.scr.png Apr 04 00:46:08 lcuk: No noticable change, but the latency is OK. Apr 04 00:48:12 lcuk: is this a picture? Apr 04 00:48:39 what do you mean Apr 04 00:48:45 its a .png file.. Apr 04 00:49:37 i see... i mean how did u made that picture Apr 04 00:49:39 ? Apr 04 00:49:53 with liqbase :) Apr 04 00:50:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY Apr 04 00:54:19 t1x_, things have advanced a little since the video :) Apr 04 00:54:28 i can draw once again now Apr 04 01:32:42 im back Apr 04 02:55:21 hello folks Apr 04 02:57:43 HI,jaem Apr 04 02:58:57 * jaem is confused by the multitude of conflicting information on itT about USB OTG for the N810 Apr 04 02:59:28 has anyone on here actually found and tested a cable that auto-switches the N810 into host mode? Apr 04 02:59:38 the forums just go around in circles **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 04 02:59:57 2009