**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 05 02:59:57 2009 Apr 05 03:01:21 * b-man tweeks opkg to use /var/lib/opkg instead of /usr/lib/opkg Apr 05 03:55:24 hm Apr 05 03:55:27 no vsmp in vbox Apr 05 05:38:23 fennec has such a nice feeling to it Apr 05 05:56:24 "Turcott told police, when he didn't recognize the woman getting out of the Camry, he grabbed a gun and hid in the bathroom to see what would happen... Palin made straight for the bedroom cabinet where Turcott kept his cash." Apr 05 06:04:37 * RST38h has fun reading how wazd lays waste all over the newstyle.maemo.org Apr 05 07:45:05 Hello! Is the Mer bootmenu able to boot a cloned diablo on the external card of a n810? Apr 05 07:46:29 tried both the ${EXT_CARD}p2 .item version and plain mmcblk.. Apr 05 07:46:39 anders_gud, yep. It does what fanoush's bootmenu can do - just the only difference is it uses item files Apr 05 07:47:52 strange - it boots the ext card and reboots after a short while - no desktop is loaded... Apr 05 07:48:00 anders_gud, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Bootmenu Apr 05 07:53:40 ok - maybe just a typo then... i'll try again Apr 05 07:54:28 prolly rw instead of ro Apr 05 07:54:45 remember to refresh_bootmenu.d Apr 05 07:55:09 prolly ro instead of rw i mean Apr 05 07:55:36 yes it works :-) TYPO! Apr 05 07:57:26 you were right ro, never cut and paste without reading - stupid me... Apr 05 07:58:21 mer 0.11 testing3 here we go... Apr 05 07:59:36 thanks! Bye Apr 05 08:19:50 hi, can me someone recommend a texteditor for the consolo, but smaller then vim? Apr 05 08:20:13 printf, echo, sed, cat Apr 05 08:20:26 or a vim, which is smaller then the one from extras Apr 05 08:20:31 nano? Apr 05 08:21:26 * Stskeeps likes joe but it isn't ported, just have a deb on my web space Apr 05 08:21:27 nano would be cool, but it's not in the repositories Apr 05 08:21:40 its not? Apr 05 08:21:43 i have it somehow? Apr 05 08:21:55 are you sure ? Apr 05 08:21:57 from where. Apr 05 08:21:57 prometoys, search nano on http://maemo.org/development/tools/ Apr 05 08:22:19 But, enjoy, it has a nice habit sometimes of segfaulting when searching. Apr 05 08:22:45 nano is awesome :D Apr 05 08:28:18 oh, i didnt know the tools repro, thanks Apr 05 08:39:14 Morning, all Apr 05 08:39:51 lbt: python2.5 is installed, but the default is still 2.4 Apr 05 08:40:58 lbt: /usr/local/bin/osc now exists and should be higher on your path Apr 05 08:45:10 hello world Apr 05 08:45:38 hi wazd Apr 05 08:46:15 morning wazd Apr 05 08:49:46 \o Apr 05 09:15:53 'lo all Apr 05 09:16:18 Jaffa - thanks - I dug around and hacked ~/bin/osc to #! the right python Apr 05 09:16:44 and last night I uploaded Mer0.11 to OBS in only a few minutes vs at least a day from my ADSL Apr 05 09:16:52 so incredibly useful Apr 05 09:36:04 lbt: cool Apr 05 09:36:23 lbt: I just hacked /usr/bin/osc -> /usr/local/bin/osc, so you did the same as me ;-) Apr 05 09:36:38 :) Apr 05 09:36:55 lbt@badger:~$ git Apr 05 09:36:57 -bash: git: command not found Apr 05 09:36:58 :( Apr 05 09:37:07 * lbt hides Apr 05 09:37:26 quick, theres a git hiding! Apr 05 09:37:51 * lbt pops out and slaps the northerner Apr 05 09:38:01 Gah, apt really doesn't like the declared python dependency on osc Apr 05 09:38:18 I'm going to have to uninstall osc and reinstall it a different way Apr 05 09:38:31 it's working fine Apr 05 09:38:47 or is it causing probs elsewhere? Apr 05 09:42:39 apt is having a hissy fit, and so won't install git Apr 05 09:42:48 Right. git in Apr 05 09:43:22 osc back in until I can solve it Apr 05 09:52:04 Would anyone consider http://pastebin.com/d3cce9934 "dirty"? :) Apr 05 09:52:57 that better not be ascii goatse.. Apr 05 09:53:16 Lol, if you want, I can make it so? :) Apr 05 09:53:16 qwerty12: i'd personally use 'touch' Apr 05 09:53:23 but that's just me Apr 05 09:53:27 ditto Apr 05 09:53:49 but otherwise, no, it's not dirty Apr 05 09:53:53 code wise Apr 05 09:53:54 :P Apr 05 09:54:01 Ok, thanks Apr 05 09:55:23 http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/04/funny-pictures-oooh-piece-of-fud/ <- marketing, microsoft style? Apr 05 10:10:12 http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/04/228240&art_pos=2 Apr 05 10:12:05 yeah, i read a couple of days ago Apr 05 10:13:57 lbt, git-core is what i need on my device isnt it? Apr 05 10:14:09 why it stopped, lack of buyers? Apr 05 10:14:23 thux: bad management of product, imho Apr 05 10:14:24 direction, momentum etc Apr 05 10:14:35 yeah, - direction switching constantly Apr 05 10:14:35 ok Apr 05 10:14:41 the GTA01 sucked balls and it had nothing that would make me for it over a symbian phone? Apr 05 10:14:49 s/me/me go/ Apr 05 10:14:50 qwerty12 meant: the GTA01 sucked balls and it had nothing that would make me go for it over a symbian phone? Apr 05 10:15:23 you're really better off taking a beagleboard schematic these days, heh Apr 05 10:16:10 i would quite like to get an openmoko to use the telephony module Apr 05 10:16:16 lcuk: yes git-core Apr 05 10:16:40 thanks lbt :) it was already coming in but good to confirm Apr 05 10:17:16 academic interest really: liqbase running on x86 http://liqbase.net/libliqbase_x86.AVI Apr 05 10:18:32 lmao rzr, one of the comments in that story: http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1188191&cid=27461923 Apr 05 10:19:18 Wow, people get so hard over licenses? Retards. Apr 05 10:20:20 I don't know if "hard" is the correct word here Apr 05 10:20:22 it's slashdot.. Apr 05 10:20:23 :P Apr 05 10:21:09 anyone getting "hard" over software licenses should be shot Apr 05 10:24:06 http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/05/0029211&from=rss Apr 05 10:24:12 how stupid is that ac Apr 05 10:24:18 it's just a troll Apr 05 10:24:37 android open and bsd, "hahahaha" Apr 05 10:49:50 good morning Apr 05 10:51:40 \o Apr 05 11:11:10 lbt: ping? Apr 05 11:12:33 lbt: http://s47.radikal.ru/i115/0904/ad/c36726226e91.png <- my initial thoughts bout list editting/creation. gtg now, bbl Apr 05 11:25:12 * Stskeeps glances at scrollback and ponders what sane person would do LFS for tablets. Apr 05 11:26:35 well Apr 05 11:26:51 are there sane persons at all doing LFS? Apr 05 11:26:56 point taken Apr 05 11:27:17 they might think they're the only one being sane though :) Apr 05 11:39:34 hola Apr 05 11:45:21 that's the big clue you're mad Apr 05 11:47:01 mavhc: ah, that explains some matters with me... Apr 05 11:47:59 however if they think you're mad, fail, and eventually do what do you, you're a genius Apr 05 11:57:36 'lo milhouse Apr 05 12:04:11 hi Apr 05 12:30:41 * RST38h moos Apr 05 12:31:05 moo, RST38h Apr 05 12:31:16 Sts: How are things? Apr 05 12:33:00 nice and slow, sitting and writing a control panel applet guide Apr 05 12:34:17 think 0.11 image is nice and baked, even with a load of known issues Apr 05 12:34:57 * RST38h can't release the new AlmostTI due to that stupid ssh key problem Apr 05 12:36:27 Sts: btw, using background highlight instead of that ugly "ear" for the active task was a really good idea Apr 05 12:36:54 Sts: If I can make a suggestion, make that background highlight circular and increase icon brightness =) Apr 05 12:37:13 hehe.. we'll see :) we have a problem with the marquee background atm Apr 05 12:37:30 While this does not fix the overal ugliness of the task manager in Mer, at least it makes it a bit less ugly Apr 05 12:39:08 http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Mer0.11_Xterm.png Apr 05 12:39:25 i am really pissed that the rightmost thing didn't go rightmost.. i don't understand how Apr 05 12:42:16 Sts: which rightmost thing? the microphone-like circle-in-semicircle? Apr 05 12:43:46 yeah Apr 05 12:43:52 the task switcher / close app Apr 05 12:44:20 isn't there some invisible thing/widget preventing that? Apr 05 12:44:21 WHOA! DPUT WORKED! Apr 05 12:44:52 hmm? Apr 05 12:45:21 not sure, but the preceeding elements should add up to leaving space for that Apr 05 12:45:25 Sts: Probably fixable, just some spot where dimension is taken from an incorrect widget field Apr 05 12:45:37 Sts: But there is something else I see in this picture Apr 05 12:46:05 Sts: the scrollbar in xterm is shifted to the left a bit, that is #1 Apr 05 12:46:27 yeah, i noticed Apr 05 12:46:36 i have it as known issues, i wonder what causes it Apr 05 12:46:50 Sts: And #2: why do you start showing status icons from some seemingly hardwired position in the title bar? It seems logical to order them from the right side and shift them to the left as new ones appear Apr 05 12:47:10 RST38h: i need to make some kind of unified statusbar container and app switcher Apr 05 12:47:12 that's mostly why :P Apr 05 12:47:19 hmm? Apr 05 12:47:38 Oh you mean it is still the old code that shows them from where the title ends? Apr 05 12:47:48 as in, there's preset space for tray icons and for applications open Apr 05 12:48:02 and yes, tray icons should be right-justified Apr 05 12:48:12 going right-to-left Apr 05 12:48:54 The preset space policy should favor status icons Apr 05 12:49:04 i was going to do it but feature freeze hit, so :) Apr 05 12:49:13 i.e. if there are too many status icons they are still shown bu some task icons disappear Apr 05 12:49:41 maybe Apr 05 12:49:51 in either case, they're two different containers atm Apr 05 12:49:56 should really be one unified Apr 05 12:50:19 yea Apr 05 12:50:52 * RST38h is writing a new Downloads blurb for ati85 1.3 Apr 05 12:52:28 * Stskeeps grins over the "how to disable modest and it's demon process" Apr 05 12:53:36 Hehe, seen that, and mentally added browserd to the bunch Apr 05 12:53:41 :) Apr 05 12:54:06 Shit, Maemo.org downloads editing is broken Apr 05 12:54:14 Can't submit updates Apr 05 12:54:30 Why should this damn web site ALWAYS be so broken? Apr 05 12:56:33 it's going blank after submitting? Apr 05 12:56:49 No, it 404s tryinfg to submit my page as /OS2007/ati85 Apr 05 12:56:59 Why OS2007? Who knows... Apr 05 12:57:30 It did make changes to the proper OS2008/ati85 page though, so the new ati85 should appear at the web site in a few minutes Apr 05 12:57:42 ran into that twice but the page should have updated :/ Apr 05 12:57:48 yeah Apr 05 12:58:16 But, thanks for that anagram program =) Apr 05 12:58:24 * RST38h loves this kind of stuff Apr 05 12:58:40 :) Apr 05 13:00:19 yawn. Apr 05 13:00:28 Stskeeps: going to send out this n800 for sure tomorrow ;) Apr 05 13:00:37 have it ina nice little box and everything Apr 05 13:00:41 Macer: hehe, alright Apr 05 13:00:53 testing mer on my tablet is notoriously horrible atm Apr 05 13:01:01 i have to play wack-a-mole to hit things Apr 05 13:01:06 haha Apr 05 13:01:12 well.. hopefully this thing helps Apr 05 13:01:21 it's just the n800 with the 2 stylus pens Apr 05 13:01:26 *nod* Apr 05 13:01:32 i have charger and all that jazz so Apr 05 13:01:40 even an american one, heh Apr 05 13:01:50 ok.. well... i guess this will be a good test of our united states postal service's international shipping :) Apr 05 13:02:10 i wonder if they are going to send it on a ship Apr 05 13:02:23 nah, airplane probably Apr 05 13:02:45 batmobile Apr 05 13:02:47 i know in iraq things would take about a month or so to get to me Apr 05 13:02:55 but then again it had to go through military mail also Apr 05 13:03:16 Macer: Are you in Iraq, or going to? =) Apr 05 13:03:27 RST38h: no.. i already went Apr 05 13:03:34 Oh Apr 05 13:03:42 twice ;) Apr 05 13:04:45 second time i went over on a ship.. but we stopped at hawaii. singapore. maldives. aus. uhm.. india.. then kuwait to iraq Apr 05 13:05:02 india was such a disgusting place Apr 05 13:05:26 * RST38h can imagine, after reading a few books and seeing a few photos Apr 05 13:05:32 if you took the WORST.. most disgusting new york city ghetto .. and multiplied it by 20 Apr 05 13:05:35 you would have india Apr 05 13:06:06 Some of those photos can be used as a wiki illustration for the "fucking shit" idiom Apr 05 13:06:12 there were women literally on the streets trying to sell you their babies... rats and garbage everywhere. starving children... it was just disgusting Apr 05 13:06:37 one woman took a baby and threw it in the middle of the street crying.. it was surreal Apr 05 13:06:52 Macer: http://www.sfsite.com/04a/kali30.htm Apr 05 13:06:56 welcome to the very real scenario of overpopulation Apr 05 13:07:03 Yep Apr 05 13:07:24 * RST38h experienced a very very mild version of this when he went to TW Apr 05 13:07:52 well.. i personally don't see any reason why someone wold willingly go to india Apr 05 13:08:00 i wouldn't even want a job in that shithole Apr 05 13:08:09 Macer: what if it were the only job available? Apr 05 13:08:27 then i will take my chances in the woods living off the land Apr 05 13:08:28 :) Apr 05 13:08:33 BTW, lots of Brits went there of patriotism alone in XIX century Apr 05 13:10:16 i have to change my logos in zimbra soon Apr 05 13:10:36 found out a lot of things i never knew about it.. although i'm pretty pissed about hte internal web client im Apr 05 13:10:48 that doesn't let you stick windows in the im tab alone.. they go all over the place.. it's irritating Apr 05 13:10:52 i guess it uses jive Apr 05 13:11:10 well, it is ajax, so what did you expect? Apr 05 13:11:23 well.. that's not it... they had it in a previous version Apr 05 13:11:28 Hmmm Apr 05 13:11:33 and got rid of it! :) talk about taking a step backwards Apr 05 13:11:47 the im windows would stay in the im tab unless you clicked on a "pin" button Apr 05 13:11:58 then they would follow you into other tabs.. it was pretty nice Apr 05 13:12:07 and they eliminated that feature.. wtf? Apr 05 13:15:22 * RST38h believes in PHP as the sole solution for all web needs Apr 05 13:16:14 All these zimbras, drupals, wikis, and other whatevers just exist for the purpose of their own existance Apr 05 13:18:04 hm.. tmobile is atting me Apr 05 13:18:06 :) Apr 05 13:18:13 i keep losing my 3G Apr 05 13:18:30 maybe i should put it in edge mode to not piss them off as much Apr 05 13:18:54 will start atting you at a slower rate then =) Apr 05 13:20:27 haha Apr 05 13:20:32 ah well.. i'm going to take a nap anyways.. ttyl Apr 05 13:20:43 gnight Apr 05 13:21:14 or g'day (after checking the clock) Apr 05 13:41:21 hmmh, with what tool can I use a maemo mapper track file? Apr 05 13:42:53 It's just gpx. So, just about anything. Apr 05 13:43:53 GAN800: what are typical control panels we've been missing? i mean, boot menu for sure, but others? Apr 05 13:44:09 Stskeeps, most of them? Apr 05 13:44:22 Mer has, what, Panels? Apr 05 13:44:25 control panel/* Apr 05 13:44:26 well, i was talking about community control panels in maemo Apr 05 13:44:30 Ah Apr 05 13:45:13 Damn, no more battery Apr 05 13:45:39 Not a whole lot is missing, but most of Nokia's panels need to be replaced wholesale Apr 05 13:45:55 They're all underfeatured Apr 05 13:46:09 *nod* Apr 05 13:47:57 underfeatured is fine as long as all the features work as advertised Apr 05 13:51:55 GAN800: “anything” isn't really helpful :) Apr 05 13:52:00 but viking seems to be nice Apr 05 14:02:21 except downloading all map tiles along the track at zoom 128 made the laptop crash :/ Apr 05 14:04:10 BTW, does Battle Of Wesnoth install to a memory card? Apr 05 14:11:56 qwerty: this may be portable and even playable: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?DROD Apr 05 14:13:01 Also this: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Escape Apr 05 14:15:11 scummVM works fine on the device too Apr 05 14:15:31 RST38h: you're the programmer :) Apr 05 14:15:53 qwerty: But I am too lazy / lacking time to port this stuff =) Apr 05 14:16:13 * RST38h would really LOVE this: http://retrospec.sgn.net/games/hoh/screenshots.html but the sources are not available Apr 05 14:16:22 There is a Speccy version though Apr 05 14:18:04 "KSame: ppypenguin.org/show?DROD Apr 05 14:18:07 eh Apr 05 14:18:20 KSame: A little game about balls and how to get rid of them Apr 05 14:21:14 qwerty12_N800, i love head over heels :) Apr 05 14:21:18 RST38h, even Apr 05 14:21:25 its the same engine batman was wrote in Apr 05 14:21:40 did you ever get them together? Apr 05 14:26:19 weee skin support is working : http://users.telenet.be/IMS/N810/skinsworking.swf.html :) Apr 05 14:26:51 *yawn* Apr 05 14:27:38 morning Myrtti Apr 05 14:29:24 * lcuk passes Myrtti an iced tea and bowl of cornflakes Apr 05 14:31:28 oh, I had a lovely English brunch in bed at noon :-) Apr 05 14:35:34 nice Apr 05 14:35:51 i like to visit little cafes Apr 05 14:36:20 and order the most complex thing i can that takes 4 hours and blocks up the griddle over the entire dinnertime rush ;) (joke!) Apr 05 14:49:50 wb anders_gud Apr 05 14:54:15 Hi! Does the tarred Mer rootfs expect a swap partition or file somewhere? Or is it enough just to extract it on a partition and point the .item file there? Apr 05 14:55:33 the latter Apr 05 14:55:39 it's good to have a swap partition though Apr 05 14:56:08 Ok! I'll try it out... Apr 05 14:57:07 it needs a special item though, with ITEM_LINUXRC and ,ro but i guess you know that one Apr 05 15:03:15 Ok - booting now... Thanks Stskeeps! Apr 05 15:03:27 Nice! Apr 05 15:04:50 I'm back :) Apr 05 15:08:40 wb Apr 05 15:10:20 Corsac, OK, Google Earth. Apr 05 15:10:23 hello Apr 05 15:10:53 Wee, brightness keys suddenly stopped working. Apr 05 15:11:37 GeneralAntilles: a mini 9 isn't touch is it, btw? Apr 05 15:11:46 hi, could anyone help me with a problem I have? Apr 05 15:12:01 Stskeeps, I paid under $300. ;) Apr 05 15:12:06 true, true Apr 05 15:12:36 I keep thinking it's touch, though, and reaching for the screen Apr 05 15:12:40 plz? Apr 05 15:12:46 The N800 training is deep Apr 05 15:12:49 fuzzybunny, DATA Apr 05 15:13:02 what? Apr 05 15:13:08 Don't Ask To Ask Apr 05 15:13:21 GeneralAntilles: when i had my mertop going, i occasionally caught myself trying to get it to respond through the laptop screen.. Apr 05 15:13:43 I just need some help with a problem Apr 05 15:14:06 fuzzybunny, nobody is telepathic here, so we can't decide if we're able to help until we know what the problem is. Apr 05 15:14:08 So ask away. Apr 05 15:14:14 Yes, we gathered that. What we didn't gather was what your problem is. Apr 05 15:14:16 fuzzybunny: when you call 911, do you ask "can you come and help me"? no, you state what the problem is Apr 05 15:15:59 sorry i unexpectedly quit Apr 05 15:16:29 my problem has to do with installing ubuntu on my mac mini Apr 05 15:16:44 #ubuntu Apr 05 15:17:13 when I installed it, I made a partition but ended up not using it Apr 05 15:17:22 Yes, that sounds like a big problem Apr 05 15:17:32 oh, right, i have fuzzybunny_* on ignore Apr 05 15:17:32 But probably not for the reasons you'd think. Apr 05 15:17:38 i used boot camp if you want to know Apr 05 15:17:51 Anyway, fuzzybunny_443, you want #ubuntu Apr 05 15:18:14 after i installed ubuntu on another partition, my mac wouldn't boot to mac Apr 05 15:18:59 lcuk: Returning to the last topic, yes, it is Jon Ritman's stuff, remade under Linux Apr 05 15:19:09 lcuk: I think there is a remake of Batman as well Apr 05 15:19:18 It thinks that the partition that i previously made but did not use is the hard drive Apr 05 15:19:31 GeneralAntilles: I viking works fine, though Apr 05 15:19:37 i can only boot to the live ubuntu disk Apr 05 15:19:44 lcuk: Would be real cool on the tablet, once equipped with the proper touch screen control (i.e. skewed cross covering whole n8x0 screen) Apr 05 15:19:45 RST38h, excellent! Apr 05 15:20:01 agreed rst :) I played those for hours Apr 05 15:20:04 lcuk: Two problems though: 1) sources not available 2) my time not available =( Apr 05 15:20:41 ive got more than half a lifetime left, and its still available in spectrum format Apr 05 15:20:58 yea Apr 05 15:21:19 speccy game works like a charm on the emulator but it has got worse pictures and weird controls Apr 05 15:21:20 when im on ubuntu, i can see all of my stuff on the hard drive but when i go into disk util on the osx, it reads it as free space Apr 05 15:21:27 (once mapped to the tablet screen that is) Apr 05 15:21:45 yeah, and its always good to see porting projects - they take their time to rise but it will happen Apr 05 15:22:12 * lcuk doesnt understand WHY some ports are made though ;) Apr 05 15:22:20 I really need help!!!!!!!!!!!! Apr 05 15:24:13 GeneralAntillies: do you think u could help me? It would be really great. Apr 05 15:24:29 Deflector x4 sources are available: http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/ignacio/dfli.htm#des Apr 05 15:25:01 I know i am not nearly as knowledgeable as you Apr 05 15:26:01 never mind i have to go Apr 05 15:26:43 bye Apr 05 15:28:09 any reason I have 2 browserd and 4 maemo-launcher processed? Apr 05 15:28:19 normal Apr 05 15:28:32 maemo-launcher actually covers actual processes Apr 05 15:29:01 I don't pay much attention normally - need to prep music for Denise's surgery tomorrow... Apr 05 15:29:04 run "cat /proc//cmdline" to see what it's really running Apr 05 15:30:15 qwerty12: useful - ta Apr 05 16:17:06 GeneralAntilles:: good post :) Apr 05 16:18:46 heh Apr 05 16:19:09 didn't know qgil was a moderator now - 10 bucks that'll bring out the conspiracy theorists ;) Apr 05 16:19:14 (i don't mind.) Apr 05 16:19:29 There's a wiki page with the talk moderators Apr 05 16:19:59 yeah, i think i looked at it at some point Apr 05 16:20:23 GeneralAntilles: ta for shining up 0.11 Apr 05 16:30:25 wazd: was in zhilin or zhillin? Apr 05 16:30:27 it Apr 05 16:55:32 Stskeeps: Zhilin :) Apr 05 16:58:18 Stskeeps, what'd I do? Apr 05 16:58:27 some reason bluetooth-audio takes much memory even i don't use it Apr 05 16:58:50 Jaffa, thanks. ;) I wrote up some more but I kind ended up rambling. Apr 05 17:02:19 hm. will the new tablet support 1700 3G? Apr 05 17:02:44 what about 850 and 900?! :D Apr 05 17:02:59 and hsupa! Apr 05 17:03:26 GeneralAntilles: fixing up the table Apr 05 17:03:29 and the teleporter! Apr 05 17:03:37 Oh, sure Apr 05 17:03:51 Just remember to stick class = "wikitable" in your tables. Apr 05 17:03:55 *nod* Apr 05 17:03:58 Macer, no idea. Apr 05 17:04:46 I'd suspect it would be similar to what they're doing on the phone side Apr 05 17:05:40 heh Apr 05 17:06:11 was the consensus Mer belongs under Alternatives, or Maemo 5 btw? Apr 05 17:06:16 (i can't recall) Apr 05 17:06:17 it would be nice if they gave it a slightly larger screen and res Apr 05 17:07:20 Stskeeps, no idea, but if I'm being honest, Mer in Maemo 5 is a little misleading Apr 05 17:07:30 maybe smaller speakers on the bottom of a screen flush with the ends Apr 05 17:07:31 yeah, was my first thought too Apr 05 17:09:05 lcuk, do you remember the "nokia point and find" app, that we talked about in the april's fool day ? Apr 05 17:09:52 Stskeeps, I think it may have to wait until we see what Maemo 5 really looks like. Apr 05 17:10:03 But, for the time being, there isn't a ton of traffic in the Mer forum. Apr 05 17:10:14 That may change once we get a stable user-ready release, though. Apr 05 17:10:23 eh, what Mer forum? Apr 05 17:10:39 Well, OK, Mer-threads. Apr 05 17:10:43 yeah, agree ;) Apr 05 17:10:59 i'll go for alternatives, think i'll put 0.11 out tonight as i have time for it Apr 05 17:11:08 wooh for Mer :D Apr 05 17:11:16 lcuk, seems to be true, lol: http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/04/video_intro_of_the_nokias_point_and_find_application.htm Apr 05 17:15:25 RST38h, can you change your postinst for ati? it's annoying to have to choose where the menu icon should go each time on an upgrade. I like http://pastebin.com/m1f5e475d personally Apr 05 17:18:06 qwerty12: think powerlaunch could be used outside hildon? not sure if it just does gtk stuff Apr 05 17:19:31 Maybe, I'd class it as more tied to Maemo rather than hildon. But it is linked with hildon in a few places Apr 05 17:20:14 It'd probably work though if the hildon libraries are there, it was running unthemed when I was first messing with it in mer Apr 05 17:20:30 qwerty12: yeah, it does that occasionally still (unthemed) Apr 05 17:21:07 That's a bug in my haste to finish it.. I know what it is and I'll sort that out soon Apr 05 17:21:08 i'm just thinking once we start doing the DE control panel, that powerlaunch would be a item in Xsession instead, so you could do like "Switch environment" and then choose Hildon or XFCE, etc Apr 05 17:21:23 lbt: have you checked my mockup? Apr 05 17:22:05 and it would warm-boot into XFCE or Hildon Apr 05 17:23:03 (.. or LXDE, or whatever) Apr 05 17:26:03 (Xfce) Apr 05 17:28:22 VDVsx, never thought it was, the fact it was on apr 1 didnt mean anything - its detecting movie posters and a few other things Apr 05 17:32:53 lcuk, I thought I seen it before, but you put the link inside the april's fool discussion, made me think that was a joke :( Apr 05 17:34:46 VDVsx, its just a tweak on the other regocnition technology thats everywhere Apr 05 17:34:49 like this: http://adayinthalifeof.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/nikons60ad.jpg Apr 05 17:36:00 nice technology,lol :) Apr 05 17:37:12 hmmm, baconburger Apr 05 17:37:16 * aquatix just had supper Apr 05 17:37:52 lcuk: lol Apr 05 17:39:02 what does facial recognition look for Apr 05 17:39:23 it would be good to actually make it for linux if its not already Apr 05 17:42:38 lcuk, sony have a new (10 MP ??) camera that claims to run linux and have that technology too, dunno if is OSS Apr 05 17:43:25 running linux and having its entire software stack in linux is not the same Apr 05 17:43:31 lcuk, http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/sony_dsc_g3_camera_has_wi_fi_and_linux Apr 05 17:43:38 ie tivo Apr 05 17:44:26 I just had a terrible idea Apr 05 17:44:30 lBt: fwiw, browserd is like maemo-launcher, there's a parent and 1 or more children Apr 05 17:44:40 Typically one for the browser ui client Apr 05 17:44:50 But you could have one for the tutorial Apr 05 17:44:52 it's not going to be called N900, it will be n-gage 9000 Apr 05 17:44:54 * ShadowJK shudders Apr 05 17:44:58 Or various other clients Apr 05 17:45:07 ShadowJK: *shudder* Apr 05 17:47:01 n-gage, something everyone wants to forget :) Apr 05 17:47:10 Why not try an ovi-game? Apr 05 17:47:15 :) Apr 05 17:47:16 nahhhh, it will be OVER 9000! Apr 05 17:49:05 * timelE61i sighs Apr 05 17:49:21 * timelE61i grabbed an n800 w/ an empty battery Apr 05 17:49:31 * aquatix hands timelE61i a nice cup of tea Apr 05 17:49:34 it doesn't work well as a gtalk client Apr 05 17:49:40 Aquatix: thanks :) Apr 05 17:49:43 * timelE61i sips Apr 05 17:49:46 yw :) Apr 05 17:49:53 no charger in the vicinity? Apr 05 17:50:16 nope, i'm waiting for dinner at my standard sunday chinese place Apr 05 17:50:18 * timelE61i sips Apr 05 17:50:31 mm Apr 05 17:50:44 think i'll take the fiance to a chinese resturant when she's back in the country again Apr 05 17:50:51 Tea is free, and warm, and can actually disolve the sugar Apr 05 17:51:17 There are dozens of chinese restaurants here Apr 05 17:51:24 But only a few japanese Apr 05 17:51:27 hm, sugar in chinese tea? Apr 05 17:51:33 jasmine tea? Apr 05 17:51:41 lipton yellow label :) Apr 05 17:52:07 ah :) Apr 05 17:52:13 The japanese restaurant i was at last week had a nice green tea Apr 05 17:52:21 i might have some gold label in a few Apr 05 17:52:28 first finish this milkshake :P Apr 05 17:52:33 Anyway, this place has a vegi lunch set Apr 05 17:52:51 aww, no bacon ;) Apr 05 17:53:05 Soup or spring roll + dish + fried banana w/ ice cream Apr 05 17:53:16 sounds good Apr 05 17:53:20 But often i have fish instead Apr 05 17:53:32 Rainbow trout :) Apr 05 17:53:41 * timelE61i sips Apr 05 17:54:05 anyway, thankfully each chinese restaurant is slightly different Apr 05 17:54:17 Although i only frequent one or two Apr 05 17:54:34 yeah, same here Apr 05 17:54:43 difference is only slight though Apr 05 17:54:45 im just about to have sunday roast :) Apr 05 17:55:01 * aquatix had a simple baconburger Apr 05 17:55:06 a rather nice one Apr 05 17:55:37 hadn't reached my junkfood quotum for this week yet ;) Apr 05 17:55:47 * timelE61i will have meat wednesday and thursday Apr 05 17:55:52 probably Apr 05 17:56:19 * aquatix had some in his macaroni yesterday Apr 05 17:56:20 But no bread starting wednesdayish for a week Apr 05 17:56:28 on some diet? Apr 05 17:56:38 Pesach Apr 05 17:56:53 It's not particularly effective Apr 05 17:57:00 We tend to overcompensate Apr 05 17:57:07 Google it :) Apr 05 17:57:20 * aquatix does Apr 05 17:58:05 ah :) Apr 05 17:59:22 * aquatix hands timelE61i some Matzo Apr 05 17:59:24 wazd: I have thanks :) Bit busy now until wednesday - Denise is having a minor operation on her foot tomorrow so we're sorting things out for that. Apr 05 17:59:29 or isn't that the intention :/ Apr 05 18:00:18 traditions are confusing Apr 05 18:00:22 my parents shipped me a box, i need to pick it up tomorrow :) Apr 05 18:02:36 being an atheist sure made some things easier for me ;) Apr 05 18:02:43 s/being/becoming Apr 05 18:03:11 Secular humanist? Apr 05 18:03:58 sort of, i guess Apr 05 18:04:41 yeah, i think that describes it quite well Apr 05 18:09:00 what, you aren't a fan of sheep-"flock" metaphors? Apr 05 18:09:08 Even penguins flock :) Apr 05 18:10:01 oh yes, i love those sheeple Apr 05 18:10:13 i can let them believe all kinds of fun things Apr 05 18:12:42 do you think xians would object more to have evolved from sheep (than monkeys)? Apr 05 18:14:07 From dust to dust. From sheep to sheep Apr 05 18:14:12 timelE61i: interesting question Apr 05 18:14:14 ghehe Apr 05 18:14:38 well, they always speak of their shepherd Apr 05 18:14:57 but i think the whole evolving part is against believes Apr 05 18:14:57 http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28105 <- Mer 0.11 release Apr 05 18:15:03 Stskeeps: ooh :) Apr 05 18:15:27 Stskeeps: Awesomeeee Apr 05 18:17:49 btw, did people opin about moblin's move? Apr 05 18:17:52 Stskeeps: you didn't find the cause of that button not wanting to go all the way to the right? Apr 05 18:18:35 timelE61i: i'm reading it as moblin being abandoned - if there's no community around it already the project will die at the first re-allocation of resources from the intel developers Apr 05 18:18:54 some of their tech is interesting, obviously Apr 05 18:18:56 open source and ditch? Apr 05 18:18:56 'lo b-man Apr 05 18:19:17 hay, Stskeeps :) Apr 05 18:19:23 b-man: .. LFS? dear god, why? :P Apr 05 18:20:35 timelE61i: it would have made sense if there was a well established OSS community around it, in a good gesture to give the reigns over to "the community" (manifested in linux foundation).. but i haven't seen anything interface-wise from moblin lately Apr 05 18:20:43 +interesting Apr 05 18:20:46 zeenix: you there ? Apr 05 18:21:09 Stskeeps: i thought it would be cool to make a base system from scratch - instead of using someone else's Apr 05 18:21:20 b-man: true, and it's probably a good lesson Apr 05 18:21:34 it is indeed :) Apr 05 18:21:35 Stskeeps: the clutter interface is being developed in closed-doors for now I think Apr 05 18:21:57 did openhand ever work w/ moblin? Apr 05 18:21:59 they will probably release something soon, not sure how it will look like though Apr 05 18:22:12 timelE61i: openedhand ? Apr 05 18:22:23 if you're talking about the company, it was acquired by intel last year I thnk Apr 05 18:22:45 Stskeeps: pluse i'm optimising it for speed and performance Apr 05 18:22:50 * timelE61i nods Apr 05 18:23:09 (using opkg instead of dpkg) Apr 05 18:23:32 * RST38h looks for somebody with a real IP address (no NATs) who is willing to test TiLink between two ATI85s Apr 05 18:23:34 b-man: package installation is a one time operation Apr 05 18:24:00 i was using that as an example ;) Apr 05 18:24:53 rst: timeless is a real PoP Apr 05 18:25:11 but i'm thinking of using e17 from openmoko as a default desktop env Apr 05 18:25:32 b-man: famous last words Apr 05 18:25:52 :) Apr 05 18:26:09 b-man: e17 rules Apr 05 18:26:10 :) Apr 05 18:26:52 indeed :) Apr 05 18:27:08 Hey, speaking of packages.... Apr 05 18:27:09 * b-man likes the look and performance Apr 05 18:27:21 Does anyone actually support lsb packages? Apr 05 18:28:57 timelE61i: what is that? :P Apr 05 18:29:01 lsb-release and stuff? Apr 05 18:29:29 lsb=linux standards base Apr 05 18:29:41 yeah, just didn't know if they had their own package format Apr 05 18:29:56 They created lsb-release, but also a packaging "standard" Apr 05 18:30:11 The wonderful thing about standards is there are so many :) Apr 05 18:31:05 "oops" Apr 05 18:31:17 * timelE61i just broke a plastic chopstick Apr 05 18:31:20 * b-man is using a hybrid LSB/BSD sysvinit system in his new Plawsix os Apr 05 18:31:45 * timelE61i was listening to something which sounded very much like ghost busters: we ain't afraid of no ghosts Apr 05 18:31:55 lol Apr 05 18:32:46 * b-man also needs to figure out how he can get deblet/mer init scripts working under Plawsix Apr 05 18:33:03 b-man: blood sweat and tears Apr 05 18:33:23 XD Apr 05 18:33:32 & a sacrifice that is not blood Apr 05 18:33:55 yeah, vaseline is part of those sacrifices Apr 05 18:34:01 hehe Apr 05 18:35:57 * b-man also wants his new distribution to run on multiple devices Apr 05 18:36:16 i though you were going to name it helios Apr 05 18:36:18 :P Apr 05 18:36:25 nope Apr 05 18:36:32 isn't that taken? Apr 05 18:36:36 Plawsix Apr 05 18:36:50 Plawsix isn't Apr 05 18:36:57 :) Apr 05 18:37:36 hello, z4chh Apr 05 18:38:45 hi Apr 05 18:41:20 * b-man 's shot ubuntu install rose from the dead btw XD Apr 05 18:42:08 wireless started working again - after 2 months of not being functional Apr 05 18:43:09 btw Apr 05 18:43:14 * b-man installs qemu on his n800 Apr 05 18:43:24 you guys were talking about moblin, from the moblin mailing list (a guy from intel just replied): Apr 05 18:43:32 _on_? o_O why? Apr 05 18:43:38 "The same (or actually even a few more) engineers from Intel Apr 05 18:43:38 will continue to work on Moblin. This is much more about making sure Apr 05 18:43:38 there are no misunderstandings around the role that Intel plays in Apr 05 18:43:39 Moblin. " Apr 05 18:44:16 slonopotamus: just an experiment Apr 05 18:44:25 b-man: i'd much rather play with XenARM Apr 05 18:44:35 xenarm? Apr 05 18:44:35 too many distros, too few software Apr 05 18:44:49 timelE61i: yes, there's actually a xen for arm Apr 05 18:44:55 that's ironic Apr 05 18:44:57 someone claimed he got it working on some imx51 board Apr 05 18:45:12 Well... Vmware ported to n800... Apr 05 18:45:22 So... Apr 05 18:45:24 yeah Apr 05 18:45:31 i do want a copy of that, just for kicks Apr 05 18:45:41 Basically, if one can port, so can the rest Apr 05 18:46:17 * b-man googles for more armv6 opkg repositorys for his os Apr 05 18:47:52 b-man: saw mer 0.11 release? Apr 05 18:48:03 * b-man looks Apr 05 18:48:57 awsome :D Apr 05 18:49:28 anyone experimented with running OS on LogFS or nilfs on mmc/sd? Apr 05 18:49:29 really awsome o.0 Apr 05 18:50:16 * b-man gets mesmerised by the mer 0.11 screenshots Apr 05 18:50:46 b-man: pondering to make a powerlaunch (power button menu) where you can click "Switch to LXDE" if you installed it through application manager, for instance Apr 05 18:50:58 and while in LXDE, Switch to Hildon through same mechanism Apr 05 18:51:09 nice :D Apr 05 18:51:10 (it would then restart X and boot into LXDE or Hildon) Apr 05 18:51:21 hmm Apr 05 18:51:41 .. and other environments too obviously Apr 05 18:56:38 does maemo-launcher really give any improvements? Apr 05 18:59:38 yes, huge improvement Apr 05 18:59:51 every maemo app should use it Apr 05 19:00:35 and what it actually does? :) Apr 05 19:01:47 and why things just can't be fast without it? Apr 05 19:02:00 http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch07.html Apr 05 19:02:15 it is an artefact of how dynamic linking works Apr 05 19:02:32 when you fork, and the gtk library is already loaded, and it doesn't have to reinitialize, it is obviously faster and takes less memory Apr 05 19:02:38 cos it can just share the library amongst the processes Apr 05 19:07:16 and how many seconds on app startup it saves? Apr 05 19:07:31 i saw an improvement from 12 secs for maemopad to 2 Apr 05 19:07:47 and suddenly mer fit in memory nicely Apr 05 19:09:16 fit in memory??? man, 128mb is more than enough to run 10-button gui Apr 05 19:09:26 hehe Apr 05 19:11:01 it maemo-launcher the reason why dumb osso-xterm eats 12mb ram, btw? :) Apr 05 19:11:44 The memory saving must come from data created after gtk initialization now being copy-on-write Apr 05 19:12:00 yeah Apr 05 19:12:55 Once, long time ago, there was this kernel module/patch that would search for identical memory pages and turn them into one marked CoW Apr 05 19:14:00 * mgedmin remembers the lwn article about that Apr 05 19:14:21 it was mostly for getting virtual machines running the same os inside to share common pages Apr 05 19:14:35 there was one before the recent virtualization craze too Apr 05 19:15:04 I guess it's like compcache, it resurfaces every 5 years or so in a new implementation by new people :) Apr 05 19:16:51 * mgedmin wants a unittestcache... Apr 05 19:18:22 hehe Apr 05 19:18:59 can somebody tell me where the wireless keys are stored in maemo? Apr 05 19:19:11 at least Corba is dead and Java has gone comatose Apr 05 19:19:26 As to virtualization, we will surivive it too =) Apr 05 19:19:43 till-: /system/osso/connectivity/IAP in gconf Apr 05 19:20:03 ty Apr 05 19:22:51 gconftool --get /system/osso/connectivity/IA tells me "no value set" Apr 05 19:24:19 you want the recursive listing of the tree under that location, not a single get of a single key Apr 05 19:24:25 * mgedmin never remembers gconftool's syntax Apr 05 19:24:30 -R perhaps? Apr 05 19:24:59 yes thanks Apr 05 19:25:00 --help Apr 05 19:25:57 it worked Apr 05 19:28:40 best IRC client for windows is Firefox add-on... oh my, oh my( Apr 05 19:30:00 * qwerty12_N800 will always look for xchat first for whatever platform he is on :) Apr 05 19:30:01 xchat is decent Apr 05 19:33:04 yeh Apr 05 19:33:06 +1 Apr 05 19:39:15 * Jaffa shuts down for the evening Apr 05 19:39:38 BTW, everyone invited to tomorrow's sprint meeting: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/April_09/Meeting Apr 05 19:39:39 lol Apr 05 19:44:33 http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/04/04/first-look-at-suse-studio/ <-- did anyone see this? Apr 05 19:46:29 old idea though Apr 05 19:46:41 saw it with ltsp for instance Apr 05 19:55:17 lbt: ping Apr 05 19:58:28 Testing for tomorrow's meeting Apr 05 19:59:08 lo qole Apr 05 19:59:20 hooray, so I'm good to go. Apr 05 19:59:30 Could you just ping me over in maemo-meeting too? Apr 05 20:06:10 * lcuk gets a hammer Apr 05 20:06:14 * lcuk whacks a qole Apr 05 20:06:24 * lcuk waves \o Apr 05 20:07:34 qole: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Installation_.28chroot.29 , i mean Apr 05 20:09:21 Stskeeps, thanks! I'll try the start-hildon script after shutting down the Maemo desktop... Apr 05 20:09:38 before you go, i have a neat idea Apr 05 20:09:54 in mer, able to add desktop environments (LXDE, XFCE, etc) through application manager Apr 05 20:10:06 and then they appear in the power menu, which is pervasive amongst the environments Apr 05 20:10:21 so you can switch to lxde, whereas it restarts X and switches to LXDE, or Switch to Hildon, etc Apr 05 20:10:49 I want to try to do the same thing with Mer that I did with LXDE: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24761 Apr 05 20:11:38 *nod* Apr 05 20:12:16 So I would shut down Maemo's hildon-desktop then start Mer's desktop instead. Then I want to try things like Tear and Maemo Mapper with the new UI. Apr 05 20:12:46 ah, maemo mapper is already ported, tear not yet.. but it should be Apr 05 20:13:06 But it is sunny and warm for the first time this spring, so I'm going to go outside and enjoy it... Apr 05 20:13:12 yeah, was like that here today Apr 05 20:13:13 cya Apr 05 20:16:13 evening gnuton Apr 05 20:16:35 Hot here. :( Apr 05 20:16:45 cool here Apr 05 20:17:27 Stskeeps: :D Apr 05 20:19:09 yay seattle Apr 05 20:24:33 wazd: hi Apr 05 20:24:36 gnuton: hi Apr 05 20:28:05 hi lbt Apr 05 20:29:23 lbt: hello Mr. Davidddddddd! :D Apr 05 20:32:07 lbt: http://s41.radikal.ru/i093/0904/92/ed7661d8974f.png <- seen this?) Apr 05 20:35:06 hi woglinde Apr 05 20:35:16 hello Mr AA Apr 05 20:35:23 wazd,,,, very nice... Apr 05 20:35:41 phew Apr 05 20:36:04 hi lbt \o Apr 05 20:36:10 aaaargh Apr 05 20:36:13 heh Apr 05 20:36:39 gnuton: I really want to make sure we're on the right road for Qt - I didn't get chance to branch it this w/end - too much Mer stuff Apr 05 20:37:04 I'm looking after my wife tomorrow but should be around tuesday Apr 05 20:37:07 hopefully once i get qt building, those two can be combined ;) Apr 05 20:37:13 they can! Apr 05 20:37:33 * Stskeeps is readying a poor beagleboard for the cause Apr 05 20:37:50 qt4 built fine on OBS Apr 05 20:38:09 wait Apr 05 20:38:19 no it didn't hildon Apr 05 20:38:20 lbt, hi Apr 05 20:38:23 >.< Apr 05 20:38:44 * lbt is feeling persecuted Apr 05 20:38:52 * lbt looks around for a bolt hole Apr 05 20:38:56 its a conspiracy Apr 05 20:39:01 " quick: say hi to lbt in #maemo" Apr 05 20:39:16 lbt: I've worked out some nice feature for adding items to the shopping list. Each item can have some measurement unit, "pack" for sugar for example. And if you'll want to buy 3 packs of sugar - just click sugar three times Apr 05 20:39:21 * lbt_ shoots lcuk and z4chh Apr 05 20:39:29 * GeneralAntilles probably wont be able to make the review tomorrow. Apr 05 20:39:47 * z4chh was put up to it ;p Apr 05 20:39:48 wazd - gesture 3 times Apr 05 20:39:50 lbt: ofcourse it won't work for everything in the world but still handy Apr 05 20:40:18 like when you do //// and then cross through to make 5 Apr 05 20:40:28 * lbt_ forgives z4chh Apr 05 20:40:54 lbt: I think tap on the arrow button in the middle would be more than enough :) Apr 05 20:41:13 wazd: some of these things will be harder to implement than others (and a gesture is as easy as a tap BTW) Apr 05 20:42:01 lbt_: I'm going to create a branch for you in these days... don't worry.. Apr 05 20:42:06 exactly the same amount of code to connect a "dl" gesture as a "click" (dl = down-left) Apr 05 20:42:41 gnuton: thanks - and then I'd like to get it tested as is to make sure we're on the right track Apr 05 20:42:55 I hope my email came accross OK? Apr 05 20:43:17 lbt: cool, then we can remove that button and user will just flick item to the right Apr 05 20:43:20 I'm sure we can agree on the object vs integrate approach Apr 05 20:43:44 wazd hmmm... I like that... Apr 05 20:43:48 needs animation Apr 05 20:44:16 animation will be an 'extra' until Qt4.6 AFAIK Apr 05 20:44:45 also wazd I'd like to start by adapting the graphics to the code Apr 05 20:44:55 and then implementing some of the UI functional ideas Apr 05 20:45:03 I am but one man... Apr 05 20:45:20 and Mer is higher priority than shopper until OBS is done Apr 05 20:57:58 thts a cool shopping prog Apr 05 20:58:29 Jaffa: .... fakeroot (to do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i) Apr 05 20:58:46 Mousey: thanks http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 05 21:03:47 blah. hope this shit works Apr 05 21:04:27 zimbra has this header thing.. what a pain :) .. when you print emails from the web client it says Zimbra Collaboration Suite on the top with the sender's email address. which is fine .. but the zimbra part sucks Apr 05 21:05:50 lbt: done Apr 05 21:06:11 cool - ta Apr 05 21:11:36 :) Apr 05 21:11:43 Does anyone else want to respond to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=277707&postcount=35 - I think GeneralAntilles and I are viewed as biased/corrupted/evil/wrong. Apr 05 21:12:16 * GeneralAntilles waves around his pitchfork Apr 05 21:12:20 totally! ^_^ Apr 05 21:12:36 i mean about the pitchforks Apr 05 21:12:43 Jaffa: you finally admitted it! Apr 05 21:12:57 :p Apr 05 21:13:04 Jaffa: nothing helps but pills for paranoid people.. and tinfoil hats Apr 05 21:13:33 oh, I read that without the "viewed" and assumed sarcasm. Sorry. Apr 05 21:14:35 qwerty12_N800: Oh, I admit I'm evil/biased and corrupted. But *never* wrong. Apr 05 21:15:24 ^ Apr 05 21:15:29 lol Apr 05 21:15:37 I'm amazed that some of these things are revelations to people Apr 05 21:15:48 Who the hell else do they think pays for maemo.org employees? Apr 05 21:16:00 Pixies. Apr 05 21:16:41 It's all out-of-pocket from Jaffa Apr 05 21:17:00 and he uses his evil influence to make them do his bidding. Apr 05 21:17:53 Doesn't work on my underlings at work - and I can influence their prospects for payrises, promotion or redundancy. Seems unlikely I could do it over the Internet when the big sticks are only virtual. Apr 05 21:19:54 well, I know some guys that with some amount of money, as a incentive, can deal very well with PEBCK, if anyone need please tell me :P Apr 05 21:21:31 * Jaffa just wants toys :) Apr 05 21:21:35 * RST38h moos Apr 05 21:21:50 And the ability to function on less sleep; and more time. Apr 05 21:21:58 Robot Apr 05 21:21:59 * lcuk gives jaffa an empty box Apr 05 21:22:12 clones? Apr 05 21:22:20 Is it big enough to climb inside? Can I paint it blue and pretend it's a TARDIS? Apr 05 21:25:07 jaffa, only if you use BIG DOCTOR SCARY EYES! O O Apr 05 21:25:55 Somebody needs to find Jaffa a refrigerator box for the Summit Apr 05 21:27:53 sadly enough, i know where to get a sonic screwdriver from Apr 05 21:29:59 what about nitro 9 Apr 05 21:30:20 * Jaffa has a toy sonic screwdriver (shared with son ;-)). Makes the proper noises and everything. Apr 05 21:30:59 night all Apr 05 21:31:49 Jaffa, depending on where you bought it from you might have a real one, don't let your son use it if you want him locked in playpen Apr 05 21:31:56 night lbt Apr 05 21:32:00 night lbt \o Apr 05 21:32:58 night lbt Apr 05 21:33:04 did you get it from a strange man who appeared to be running away from something? Apr 05 21:33:40 He said something like "hold this, I'll come back for it in the future... or the past" and then I heard a vworp vworp noise and he was gone Apr 05 21:36:04 ah, it's fine then Apr 05 21:36:28 damn bots Apr 05 21:36:53 RST38h: hey Apr 05 21:37:05 RST38h: just installed fresh aTi Apr 05 21:37:33 RST38h: there are my mistakes with screen zones( Apr 05 21:40:09 RST38h: btw, why different calculators have different screen color settings?) Apr 05 21:47:19 back Apr 05 21:47:33 wazd: where are the mistakes? Apr 05 21:47:35 wb Apr 05 21:47:52 wazd: And the color settings should all be the same, is there a problem somewhere? Apr 05 21:48:45 RST38h: well, Ti85 and Ti 86 looks best for me Apr 05 21:49:30 RST38h: 82,83 and 83+ has more red I guess Apr 05 21:49:37 * RST38h is simply reading the png palette, cutting it down to 16bpp and showing whatever is left Apr 05 21:49:43 checking Apr 05 21:50:28 RST38h: and 83+ has 2px stripe on the right, that's my fault Apr 05 21:50:31 Not seeing any red Apr 05 21:50:48 RST38h: well, i'll post a screen Apr 05 21:50:49 yea, I see the stripes... fixed them in a few skins, but I guess the new ones have them again Apr 05 21:51:25 RST38h: btw, If i'm in 83 for example, hiting fullscreen, I can't get back to 83 :) Apr 05 21:51:26 hello Apr 05 21:51:42 anyone tried the xkcdha app? Apr 05 21:51:44 pretty nice Apr 05 21:51:50 RST38h: can't return to the calc from selector Apr 05 21:52:24 wazd: it does it sometimes but I still do not know why Apr 05 21:52:30 wazd: it's really weird Apr 05 21:53:59 only problem I had with this xkcdha app is that if I change focus to another app and come back, becomes a little unstable and I can't close it Apr 05 21:55:12 wazd: is it ok if I use your original app icon, without embossed TI? Apr 05 21:55:56 RST38h: As you wish :) Apr 05 21:56:53 wazd: embossed one looks cuter but resizes worse (especially to 26x26) Apr 05 21:57:47 RST38h: you can use simple just for small sizes :) Apr 05 21:57:55 wazd: by different colors, did you mean the calc screen colors? Apr 05 21:58:14 RST38h: http://s44.radikal.ru/i103/0904/de/55b4d1f1d586.png Apr 05 21:58:24 wazd: yea, that is one way, but I kinda prefer to generate them all from one source =( Apr 05 21:59:02 wazd: I see what you mean. It is normal: these calcs have different LCD hardware and different contrast controls Apr 05 21:59:29 about xkcdha, I was wrong, it didn't crash or anything, there was a home applet which came with it and i got confused Apr 05 21:59:34 wazd: click 2nd and then change contrast with UP/DOWN buttons - you can make it anything you want Apr 05 21:59:35 RST38h: aw. There's no way to make them look like 85/86?) Apr 05 21:59:42 ines app rocks too... i spend hours playing bubble bobble :> so much hapiness XD Apr 05 21:59:52 RST38h: nope, they still remain to be redish Apr 05 22:00:00 wazd: AFAIK, different versions of 85/86 had different screens :) Apr 05 22:00:32 wazd: I am actually adding blue :) Apr 05 22:00:32 RST38h: I mean, curren 85/86 settings looks great Apr 05 22:01:10 wazd: well, damn ti83 BIOS sets those colors as defaults. I will try to tweak them a bit but do not expect much :( Apr 05 22:01:26 wazd: Now, what was that problem with sensitive areas being misaligned? Apr 05 22:03:45 RST38h: oh, wait a bit, I think I've found the right position of the contrast :) Apr 05 22:03:48 man i love zimbra sometimes Apr 05 22:04:00 there is only 2 things that are messed up with it Apr 05 22:04:30 RST38h: hmmm,I don't have that problem Apr 05 22:04:42 wazd: so all buttons match? Apr 05 22:05:24 RST38h: you mean selector or calc itself? Apr 05 22:05:33 either Apr 05 22:06:00 RST38h: All works fine Apr 05 22:06:48 cool Apr 05 22:06:51 Macer: what? Apr 05 22:07:00 so the only coding problem is that random shutdown on model switch Apr 05 22:07:13 sisto: ? Apr 05 22:07:15 Does anyone out there watch the NBA? Apr 05 22:07:35 neatojones nope Apr 05 22:07:36 Macer: zimbra == exchange? Apr 05 22:07:38 dont habe the time Apr 05 22:08:08 no Apr 05 22:08:17 zimbra is a good alternative to exchange though Apr 05 22:08:38 I was just watching score recaps on ESPN. I quit watching NBA several years back when they all went on strike because "You just can't live off of 1.2 million a year." Anyway, I saw that the score for a game today was 116 to 140. Apr 05 22:08:42 What the heck? Apr 05 22:08:47 140 points?!? Apr 05 22:08:51 why do companies buy exchange? is it much better than zimbra? Apr 05 22:08:59 have they even heard of defense? Apr 05 22:09:42 sisto: because they are complacent with corperate america's idea of what a network should be Apr 05 22:10:15 RST38h: and inability to return to the calc Apr 05 22:10:23 hello folks Apr 05 22:10:26 RST38h: it never worked for me Apr 05 22:13:48 wazd: I will fix it Apr 05 22:14:12 RST38h: cool Apr 05 22:14:13 wazd: Ok, do I change display offset myself or do you change it? It is currently at 53 at some faceplates, has to be 54 Apr 05 22:14:36 RST38h: well, if you can - feel free Apr 05 22:14:56 RST38h: It would be easier for you to debug :) Apr 05 22:15:34 RST38h: I don't know why I've done them anyway :D To see how it will look I guess :) Apr 05 22:15:54 =) Apr 05 22:17:41 if I have two cards with the same partitioning, but one has Maemo, and one has Mer, is there an easy way to set up bootmenu to boot either? Apr 05 22:18:04 yes, it's in the installation information Apr 05 22:18:15 it looks at internal vs external slot Apr 05 22:18:29 they're both external cards... Apr 05 22:18:42 wazd: Oh, could you change them yourself? :( Apr 05 22:18:51 jaem_N810: yeah, it is two different items Apr 05 22:18:53 RST38h: sure :) Apr 05 22:18:53 it'll be fine Apr 05 22:18:59 * RST38h is having GIMP mental incompatibility problems again Apr 05 22:19:28 wazd: Thanks! Sorry to ask but I am really bad with this GIMP thing =( Apr 05 22:19:46 Stskeeps: okay. What's the difference between the Mer bootmenu, and the one in PB's console-tools? Apr 05 22:19:54 they seem to act differently Apr 05 22:20:13 jaem_N810: his is bootmenu regular release, mine is bootmenu svn Apr 05 22:20:21 and it supports some tricks and has a saner bootmenu configuration Apr 05 22:21:13 Stskeeps: okay, that makes sense. I couldn't figure out why there were two versions floating around Apr 05 22:21:27 wazd: Problem occurs in TI82, TI83, TI83P, TI83SE Apr 05 22:21:44 pb needs to start using bootmenu items and all this wouldn't be a problem :P Apr 05 22:21:51 :P Apr 05 22:22:48 wazd: May also be a vertical position problem with some, the code assumes vertical LCD position at 96 Apr 05 22:23:20 RST38h: I'll just remove darkened zones :) Apr 05 22:23:24 grr... XChat focusses the Channel topic if you push -> in the msg entry textbox Apr 05 22:23:38 wazd: Why? This will not fix things Apr 05 22:23:47 RST38h: oh Apr 05 22:23:52 is there anyone I can talk to about that? I keep almost changing the topic Apr 05 22:23:59 wazd: as soon as somebody adjusts contrast, these extra pixels will show up again Apr 05 22:24:25 RST38h: I thought that the problem was that darkened zone is misplaced with actual screen Apr 05 22:24:33 but moving them all to 54,96 will do the job Apr 05 22:24:56 wazd: yea, that's right Apr 05 22:25:17 Actually, now I see what you mean...yes, if you remove the darkened rectangles, it will work just fine :) Apr 05 22:31:38 good inte Apr 05 22:33:49 wazd: Fixed your problem with the same calc model not being selectable Apr 05 22:37:53 * jaem_N810 goes back to studying Apr 05 22:37:54 falling asleep. g'night all... Apr 05 22:37:56 cheers Apr 05 22:38:04 g'night RST38h Apr 05 22:38:17 RST38h: 82: http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/0904/4c/61de0573d057.png Apr 05 22:38:26 RST38h: wait! :) Apr 05 22:39:00 aaw( Apr 05 22:39:56 back Apr 05 22:39:59 no, still here Apr 05 22:40:19 why no arrows? =) Apr 05 22:40:51 RST38h: oh crap) Apr 05 22:41:04 night all Apr 05 22:41:23 RST38h: 83: http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0904/dc/872ded5527bd.png Apr 05 22:41:43 RST38h: 83+: http://s43.radikal.ru/i099/0904/5a/4b942202c658.png Apr 05 22:42:02 got both Apr 05 22:42:08 RST38h: 83+SE: http://s43.radikal.ru/i099/0904/65/04f2c433c9dd.png Apr 05 22:43:04 Got 'em all, will fix 82 by filling the rectangle Apr 05 22:43:31 Thanks! Going to hit the bed now, will release 1.3.1 tomorrow Apr 05 22:43:47 RST38h: 82: http://i077.radikal.ru/0904/f7/7d38e88c692a.png Apr 05 22:44:25 Well, I'll go to get some sleep too, good night world :) Apr 05 22:45:34 wow .. this is a pretty sickly law and order Apr 05 22:45:49 rather twisted Apr 05 23:35:20 http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?ref=cat1_gallery_19&listing_id=20229149 Apr 06 01:00:24 heh... maemo's python just segfaulted on me Apr 06 01:14:38 * b-man doesn't understand why Angstrom uses so many strange arm architectures - instead of 'package.arm.ipk' or 'package.armel.ipk' it's 'package.nokia800.ipk', 'package.armv6.ipk', 'package.armv5teb.ipk', 'package.omgta02.ipk, and 'package.arm0pl.ipk' - it's driving me nutz! >.< Apr 06 01:16:21 pluse i need to define my actual cpu architecture in a config file :P Apr 06 02:08:28 hm, you get the impression many things have never been tested that much... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 06 02:59:58 2009