**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 07 02:59:58 2009
Apr 07 03:00:45 <romeus1> thanks
Apr 07 03:18:16 <johnx> hallo
Apr 07 03:22:03 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, johnx.
Apr 07 03:22:08 <GeneralAntilles> Welcome back to the land of the dead.
Apr 07 03:22:19 <johnx> hey GeneralAntilles. Good to be here :)
Apr 07 03:23:01 <GeneralAntilles> Is your life all streamlined now, or are you just taking a 5 minute break before diving back in?
Apr 07 03:23:21 <johnx> my life is on pause right now :)
Apr 07 03:23:33 <GeneralAntilles> I need one of those.
Apr 07 03:23:45 <johnx> heh...pause means no income :P
Apr 07 03:24:01 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 07 03:24:04 <johnx> I need to find the unpause key, like fast
Apr 07 03:25:00 <johnx> after that my life will briefly be hectic again then it should really settle back into a normaslish routine
Apr 07 03:25:37 <GeneralAntilles> You'll be back to schedule drift in no time flat. ;)
Apr 07 03:26:06 <johnx> heh...hopefully I'll land in a 9-5 job this time or at least something with a fixed schedule
Apr 07 03:26:20 <johnx> should help to anchor things a little bit
Apr 07 03:27:07 <johnx> hey qwerty12_N800 :)
Apr 07 03:29:33 <Macer> i love snatch :)
Apr 07 03:29:46 <Macer> especially when the thieves are on the elevator.. the conversation cracks me up
Apr 07 03:30:01 <Macer> they are supposed to be orthodox jews and they are saying shit like "Just because it is written doesn't make it true."
Apr 07 03:30:50 <Macer> "It's not important whether it's fact or fiction.. people just want to belive." haha
Apr 07 05:31:28 <RST38h> moo, johnx, all
Apr 07 05:31:33 <RST38h> johnx: How are things?
Apr 07 05:31:40 <johnx> m00f
Apr 07 05:32:07 <johnx> a little slow. catching some rest and getting back into a western mindset, job hunting
Apr 07 05:33:23 <StsN800> lo johnx
Apr 07 05:33:32 <RST38h> heh
Apr 07 05:37:06 <StsN800> johnx, good to see you relocated safely:)
Apr 07 05:50:25 <johnx> heh...or some semblance of relocated
Apr 07 05:52:23 <qwerty12_N800> hey johnx! :)
Apr 07 05:52:30 <johnx> :D
Apr 07 05:54:24 <qwerty12_N800> had any culture shock or is it still all the same? :)
Apr 07 06:16:47 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, just a little bit. I need to keep reminding myself to speak English. Also, the wide open spaces sometimes completely blow my mind
Apr 07 06:17:02 <RST38h> hehe
Apr 07 06:17:18 * RST38h remembers how wide and deserted Moscow looked after Taipei
Apr 07 06:17:32 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Apr 07 06:18:05 <johnx> yeah, and stores...the aisles are like this wide *holds up hands* and there is no. one. there. really weird...
Apr 07 06:18:38 <x29a> where are you?
Apr 07 06:18:50 <johnx> now? Seattle area
Apr 07 06:19:02 <RST38h> johnx: actually, visiting US few weeks ago also felt weird
Apr 07 06:19:14 <RST38h> For a few days, anyway
Apr 07 06:19:22 <johnx> really? what kind of stuff was weird?
Apr 07 06:19:48 <RST38h> johnx: No pedestrians.
Apr 07 06:20:04 <johnx> ah, yeah
Apr 07 06:22:00 <johnx> I'm just stoked their actually going to put a more serious commuter train line in this area soonish. I'm actually kind of interested in getting a place by the train station...I'd be more excited except it looks like the train won't actually go anywhere I care about for another 3 years :/
Apr 07 06:22:29 <RST38h> Get yourself some terminally cute Japanese nanocar
Apr 07 06:22:51 <RST38h> Nissan Micra is not available in the states but there is Toyota Echo and Honda Fit now :)
Apr 07 06:22:54 <johnx> train + drinking = hilarity. car + drinking = jailarity
Apr 07 06:23:11 <johnx> the fit and echo aren't micro cars :P
Apr 07 06:23:15 <RST38h> Ah, just stop drinking :)
Apr 07 06:23:22 <RST38h> johnx: By US standards they are :)
Apr 07 06:23:39 <johnx> I actually want a yellow license plate truck for hauling stuff
Apr 07 06:24:01 <RST38h> Not much money to be made there...
Apr 07 06:24:50 <johnx> I'm thinking about importing by way of Canada or something
Apr 07 06:25:28 <RST38h> Heh...Probably not worth it either, as you will hit some tariff or another...
Apr 07 06:25:46 * RST38h finally pulls himself out of this chair and goes to work
Apr 07 06:25:46 <johnx> eh, won't be for plenty more years at this point
Apr 07 06:25:56 <RST38h> Ah :)
Apr 07 06:26:33 <johnx> need to get de-unemployed first
Apr 07 06:26:40 <thux> software seems to be source of money
Apr 07 06:26:49 <RST38h> johnx: in case you miss commuting: 15 minutes walking through the park + 10 minutes subway + 40-60 minutes in a dingy bus
Apr 07 06:27:30 <johnx> RST38h, nope. I do not miss my commute. my goal is to bike to work for my next job
Apr 07 06:27:46 <RST38h> johnx: + 10 more minutes in a corporate bus
Apr 07 06:28:03 <RST38h> johnx: kinda hard to accomplish but I guess you have to find the job first then
Apr 07 06:28:10 <johnx> exactly :)
Apr 07 06:28:12 <RST38h> and look for something nearby
Apr 07 06:28:42 <RST38h> All right, time to go.
Apr 07 06:28:50 <johnx> 'later
Apr 07 06:57:05 <L0cutus> re
Apr 07 06:59:47 * Stskeeps crashes in his office chair
Apr 07 07:07:07 * Myrtti wants a new body :-(
Apr 07 07:07:52 <Stskeeps> serial-killer-Myrtti?
Apr 07 07:09:21 <Myrtti> mrmrgh
Apr 07 07:11:27 * Myrtti needs painkillers
Apr 07 07:11:40 * mgedmin gives Myrtti some
Apr 07 07:15:31 <RST38h> aok, back
Apr 07 07:15:36 <ShadowJK> trying to compare n810-gps and sirfstarIII by staring at number scrolling by makes me think there's more to this story than just "it's crap"
Apr 07 07:16:53 <Stskeeps> hmm?
Apr 07 07:17:15 <ShadowJK> for example right now what is the strongest satellite that the n810 can hear is the weakest satellite that sirfstar is picking up
Apr 07 07:17:18 <RST38h> Shadow: the extra word you are looking for  is "utter"
Apr 07 07:17:37 <ShadowJK> (i've seen the reverse too)
Apr 07 07:17:42 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: eh. it would normally be opposite, wouldn't it?
Apr 07 07:17:53 <Stskeeps> if sirfstar > n810
Apr 07 07:18:16 <ShadowJK> Stskeeps, well no, I'd expect that the strongest satellite that sirfstar sees would be the strongest satellite that n810 sees, except that n810 would see it weaker than sirfstar
Apr 07 07:18:23 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 07 07:18:26 <ShadowJK> if the signal strength numbers are comparable at all
Apr 07 07:18:30 <x29a> my gpswatch has got a sirfIII and its awesome, especially boot times
Apr 07 07:18:39 <RST38h> they are not
Apr 07 07:19:00 <ShadowJK> But say if you compare list of satellites sorted by strength, then the list can be radically different between sirfstar and n810
Apr 07 07:19:19 <ShadowJK> like, the order of the satellites
Apr 07 07:19:22 <RST38h> the strength numbers you see are composites made from several on-chip values
Apr 07 07:19:45 <RST38h> highly dependent on the manufacturer
Apr 07 07:20:31 <ShadowJK> For the past hour of my 10 hour test my N810 has had a better geometric mix of satellites it has been able to track than the sirfstar
Apr 07 07:21:36 <ShadowJK> And not too uncommon to see it receiving more satellites than sirfstar either, but one thing that's consistent is that there's always atleast one satellite that sirfstar receives, by its own estimate, very strong signal from
Apr 07 07:21:58 <ShadowJK> while the n810 is reporting more averagish reception
Apr 07 07:22:44 <RST38h> ti5300 jusr has trouble locking up, tracking is ok
Apr 07 07:23:07 <RST38h> it is an agps chip after all
Apr 07 07:23:17 <thux> is n810 gps better than most nokia phones gps?
Apr 07 07:23:42 <ShadowJK> user experience suggests n810 is the worst in time to first fix
Apr 07 07:24:01 <thux> many phones got lousy gps
Apr 07 07:24:29 <ShadowJK> It doesn't help that the users gover the antennas with their hands too
Apr 07 07:25:09 <ShadowJK> Uh, for my next testrun I should posibly also record the longitude/latitude too :)
Apr 07 07:27:37 <Pinger> hi, guys. how to use sqlite3 in maemo fremantle?
Apr 07 07:37:23 <ShadowJK> http://enivax.net/jk/gps-10hrsatplot.png skymap of satellites and pixel colour according to signal strength over 10 hours. One is N810, one is sirfstar. Guess which is which. Receivers placed about 3 cm from eachother
Apr 07 07:38:39 <ShadowJK> Also deducable which direction my window does not face :)
Apr 07 07:39:06 <`0660> maemo on left?
Apr 07 07:39:36 <ShadowJK> N810 on left yeah
Apr 07 07:39:54 <`0660> doesn't look too good
Apr 07 07:44:07 <ShadowJK> It has fewer satellite tracks than sirf, especially in the region shaded by the house... but nearly all of them are solid tracks and on the sirf side many tacks are quite dotted indicating it has lost sats all the time
Apr 07 07:44:48 <ShadowJK> Oddly enough sirf seems to have a blind spot for sats that have passed right overhead..
Apr 07 07:47:40 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 07 07:48:12 <Stskeeps> morning, Jaffa
Apr 07 07:48:27 <`0660> funny that sirf doesn't suffer that badly from shaded regions, but loses sats all the time
Apr 07 07:52:05 <ShadowJK> the grey birds might be too weak to be usable anyway
Apr 07 07:52:31 * ShadowJK should've also recorded weakest signal strength ever seen from a sat actually used
Apr 07 07:57:50 <Stskeeps> hm, the things i find in boxes here
Apr 07 07:57:56 <Stskeeps> just found a sirfstar usb gps
Apr 07 08:04:18 <b0unc3_> good morning
Apr 07 08:08:25 <X-Fade> morning
Apr 07 08:09:36 <svu_> ping alterego
Apr 07 08:40:28 <wazd> hello world
Apr 07 08:41:02 <Stskeeps> hello wazd
Apr 07 08:42:23 <RST38h> hello wazd
Apr 07 08:44:28 <RST38h> http://www.detnews.com/article/20090402/METRO08/904020395/To+urban+hunter++next+meal+is+scampering+by
Apr 07 08:52:15 <wazd> Jeez, I don't understand some people
Apr 07 08:52:22 <Stskeeps> mm?
Apr 07 08:53:17 <wazd> me: Can I take a look at your software in Extras? Him: Who told you that I have software in Extras? Me: Ok, you can just say "I have no software" him: I didn't tell that I don't have it
Apr 07 08:53:52 <Stskeeps> heh
Apr 07 08:53:55 <RST38h> He probably has some software AND hates Extras
Apr 07 08:54:08 <RST38h> Although this is reallt difficult to parse
Apr 07 08:55:39 <RST38h> wazd: BTW have you excorsized that n8xx pidgin stuff from your tablet?
Apr 07 08:56:26 <wazd> RST38h: oh, well, I've typed what you gave to me, it worked but some trash is still in there, I think I got it before(
Apr 07 08:56:37 <wazd> RST38h: Pidgin still doesn't work anyway
Apr 07 08:56:50 <wazd> RST38h: even reinstalled from extras
Apr 07 08:57:02 <RST38h> weird because plain extras version of pidgin works for me
Apr 07 08:57:31 <wazd> RST38h: it worked for me too, I've crashed it with that 2.5.5.tar.gz
Apr 07 08:57:47 <wazd> bbiab
Apr 07 09:02:26 <wazd> I  wonder why there's still no wide-widescreen displays on the market
Apr 07 09:02:49 <RST38h> Should there be? They suck for work
Apr 07 09:02:52 <wazd> like that stuff http://hard.compulenta.ru/upload/iblock/ecb/philips_cinema_420.jpg
Apr 07 09:03:24 <wazd> RST38h: well, it's better than two separate displays I think
Apr 07 09:03:57 <RST38h> wazd: true if the vertical resolution or physical size does not suffer
Apr 07 09:04:02 <RST38h> bt they usually do suffer
Apr 07 09:05:12 <wazd> RST38h: well, you'll have 2520x1200 for example
Apr 07 09:05:29 <wazd> RST38h: same vertical resolution as 16:9 but wider
Apr 07 09:06:41 <RST38h> what about physical screen height though?
Apr 07 09:06:53 <RST38h> Is it the same as my 4:3 screen? =)
Apr 07 09:07:58 <wazd> RST38h: 16:10/16:9 screens are usualy wider but lower :)
Apr 07 09:08:23 <wazd> RST38h: human eyesight catches sideview better than top/bottom
Apr 07 09:08:55 <wazd> RST38h: and it's good for movie playback too :P
Apr 07 09:09:31 <RST38h> wazd: that is my main complaint though
Apr 07 09:09:51 <wazd> RST38h: you can turn it into portrait mode to rock :)
Apr 07 09:09:56 * RST38h is using those screen for work not for watching movies and even 16:9 screens feel mighty claustrophobic
Apr 07 09:10:40 <RST38h> turning it 90o is a good idea but does not work on a laptop :)
Apr 07 09:10:54 <wazd> RST38h: ah)
Apr 07 09:11:51 <lcuk> RST38h, course it does, a super wide widescreen laptop (with touchscreen) would make the ideal tetris game
Apr 07 09:12:57 <RST38h> lcuk: Lemme show you the ideal tetris game...
Apr 07 09:13:13 <lcuk> high rise building ?
Apr 07 09:13:32 <RST38h> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmKgLp6L55c
Apr 07 09:14:02 <RST38h> For reference, that is Green Building, MIT
Apr 07 09:25:01 <lcuk> lol RST38h ive seen that before
Apr 07 09:30:41 <RST38h> Deflector x4 comes with the source code. Any porters? =)
Apr 07 09:33:01 <RST38h> Alien8 sources are real tiny too: http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/ignacio/downloads/alien8_f.zip
Apr 07 09:33:40 <RST38h> So are Deflector sources: http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/ignacio/downloads/deflektor_x4_f.zip
Apr 07 10:08:52 <wazd> oh, looks like today is 15 years since .ru zone was deligated :)
Apr 07 10:13:34 <lardman> morning
Apr 07 10:15:32 <woglinde> hi lardman
Apr 07 10:16:57 <lardman> hey woglinde
Apr 07 10:31:00 <RST38h> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/07/jedi_obama/
Apr 07 10:55:45 <anders_gud> Hi Stskeeps! mypaint runs on Mer, but gtk does not return pressure values, any ideas?
Apr 07 10:55:59 <Stskeeps> anders_gud: do you use libxsp or?
Apr 07 10:56:07 <Stskeeps> anders_gud: and i think it's because of the X server
Apr 07 10:56:17 <Stskeeps> Myrtti: prod
Apr 07 10:57:30 <Myrtti> EEEP!
Apr 07 10:57:47 <Myrtti> *squeak*
Apr 07 10:58:07 <Stskeeps> Myrtti: curious, did you ever bootstrap localization for a project using launchpad?
Apr 07 10:58:46 <Myrtti> no, but it shouldn't be a big deal...?
Apr 07 10:58:55 <Stskeeps> k
Apr 07 10:59:07 <Stskeeps> does it offer online editing for translators?
Apr 07 10:59:31 <Myrtti> yeah, rosetta
Apr 07 10:59:50 <Stskeeps> alright
Apr 07 11:00:12 * Stskeeps takes a look
Apr 07 11:00:27 <Myrtti> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/gwibber.dev/+pots/gwibber/fi/+translate
Apr 07 11:00:49 <Stskeeps> oh that's neat
Apr 07 11:02:03 <Myrtti> I can't be bothered to translate using any other methods myself ;-)
Apr 07 11:02:21 <Stskeeps> starting to get to a point where localization would be a good thing to look into so
Apr 07 11:02:55 <woglinde> only 5 devs for the danish weekend yet?
Apr 07 11:03:11 <Stskeeps> you should show up ;)
Apr 07 11:03:21 <Stskeeps> 9 on facebook, 11 maybe
Apr 07 11:03:32 <woglinde> facebook wahaha
Apr 07 11:03:36 <Stskeeps> hehe ;)
Apr 07 11:03:45 * Stskeeps is going for sure.
Apr 07 11:03:51 <woglinde> hehe yes
Apr 07 11:04:04 <woglinde> I think you have the shortest way
Apr 07 11:05:49 <Stskeeps> Myrtti: just worried that it seems like it's one translation set per project, probably was a mistake to set up the project as one big
Apr 07 11:08:26 <qgil> X-Fade: ping
Apr 07 11:09:51 <qgil> wogline, actually 7 registered - http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Who_is_coming
Apr 07 11:10:20 <qgil> I wanted to ask X-Fade whether the form to request sponsorship is ready since this would help getting the minimum critical mass
Apr 07 11:11:03 <suihkulokki> regarding meetings, there is a "free thursday" informal free/oss people meeting in helsinki this week: http://free-thursday.pieni.net/
Apr 07 11:11:11 <qgil> woglinde & co, actually I was hoping to have a bit more of feedback / comments about this event, the first of its kind and in a very interesting time
Apr 07 11:11:24 <qgil> (maybe is not very interesting for everybody as it if for me, right)  ;)
Apr 07 11:13:07 <woglinde> qgil hm I could ask robert if he has an intrest and maybee I had time to come too, to hack a little bit on the java stuff
Apr 07 11:14:04 <qgil> woglinde: ah, I see where you come from now woglinde  :)
Apr 07 11:14:36 <woglinde> from berlin isnt so far
Apr 07 11:15:28 <anders_gud> This script should list pressure enabled devices (it does in Diablo) http://pastebin.com/m4e65ef17
Apr 07 11:15:40 <anders_gud> but not in Mer
Apr 07 11:15:46 <Stskeeps> anders_gud: on a n800 or n810?
Apr 07 11:15:53 <anders_gud> n810
Apr 07 11:16:19 <Stskeeps> apt-get install xserver-xomap and see if it helps (if you can stand your Mer installation possibly getting wrecked)
Apr 07 11:16:25 <Stskeeps> Hildon Input Method will stop working
Apr 07 11:16:43 <suihkulokki> I think the tslib input driver in xorg doesn't do pressure (should be quite trivial to fix)
Apr 07 11:17:29 <Stskeeps> might be why as well, thought it was a xsp thing
Apr 07 11:21:02 <woglinde> hm 178 euro per train
Apr 07 11:26:02 <Stskeeps> 103 eur airberlin
Apr 07 11:26:12 <woglinde> bothways?
Apr 07 11:26:13 <lcuk> anders_gud, on diablo pressure information is available from the Xsp library
Apr 07 11:26:24 <Stskeeps> woglinde: yeah, looks like it
Apr 07 11:26:27 <Stskeeps> (total)
Apr 07 11:26:35 <woglinde> hm let me see
Apr 07 11:26:45 <lbt> I thought we didn't have 'pressure' on the N800
Apr 07 11:26:53 <lbt> just touch radius
Apr 07 11:27:03 <Stskeeps> 29 -> 31, coming early in the morning 29, 9:55, leaving 21:25
Apr 07 11:28:07 <woglinde> stskeep website?
Apr 07 11:28:15 <Stskeeps> airberlin.com
Apr 07 11:28:16 * lcuk registered for mozilla
Apr 07 11:28:21 <lcuk> lbt, YES you do
Apr 07 11:28:28 <anders_gud> lcuk, gtk gets it from Xsp?
Apr 07 11:28:49 <lcuk> i didnt know gtk had it natively..
Apr 07 11:29:29 <lbt> ISTR looking at the low-level data and using the stylus rather than a finger. The pressure reading didn't go up much at all. Using a finger it went up and down a lot
Apr 07 11:29:37 <lbt> bad memrory?
Apr 07 11:29:38 <Stskeeps> woglinde: their website isn't happy about firefox though, but works in IE (....)
Apr 07 11:29:52 <lcuk> lbt, everything went smoothly?
Apr 07 11:30:10 <lbt> yes thanks - lots of tea and TLC today though
Apr 07 11:30:31 <lcuk> gtk uses x11 events - x11 gets the information from somewhere (but its not perfect.>)
Apr 07 11:31:10 <lcuk> good lbt, hopefully she will be back on her feet in no time :)
Apr 07 11:31:16 <qgil> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Who_is_coming 8 participants... from 8 countries!
Apr 07 11:31:19 <woglinde> stskeep easyjet its 90.00
Apr 07 11:31:24 <qgil> it can't be more international  :)
Apr 07 11:31:44 <anders_gud> aah! so it's the xserver... then I'll have to wait until it's fixed...
Apr 07 11:31:46 <woglinde> arrive 29 depart 1.6
Apr 07 11:31:46 <lcuk> qgil, better than 8 participants from 9 countries ;)
Apr 07 11:32:11 <lcuk> anders_gud, x server wont ever return dynamic pressure readings on the normal mouse events
Apr 07 11:32:22 <lcuk> there is no pressure data available in that event i dont think
Apr 07 11:33:02 <lbt> IIRC xorg uses tslib
Apr 07 11:33:32 <jeremiah_> heh, that is pretty amazing, 8 people from 8 countries
Apr 07 11:33:48 <lbt> I dug in it for a while whilst failing to make a static tslib for bootmenu
Apr 07 11:33:49 <RST38h> would be more amazing with 7 people from 8 countries though
Apr 07 11:33:53 <anders_gud> pygtk on Mer does not find any touch/pressure devices..
Apr 07 11:34:00 <jeremiah_> RST38h: heh
Apr 07 11:34:03 <lcuk> i just said that!
Apr 07 11:34:16 <Stskeeps> anders_gud: yeah - might be our X driver, it's not the same as in Maemo so
Apr 07 11:34:38 <RST38h> lcuk: you used different arguments though =)
Apr 07 11:34:49 * suihkulokki loves airlines
Apr 07 11:35:00 <lcuk> where in the x11 mouse press/move events is pressure data available to be "fixed" ?
Apr 07 11:35:07 <lcuk> i think theres an x extension for it
Apr 07 11:35:12 <lcuk> lol
Apr 07 11:35:40 <suihkulokki> I switch the hki-cph flight to a cheaper one, and the reservation form increases the price of all return flights :P
Apr 07 11:36:07 <lcuk> suihkulokki, you are coming from .fi arent you
Apr 07 11:36:35 <suihkulokki> yes
Apr 07 11:37:41 <woglinde> lcuck X got tslib modul recently
Apr 07 11:37:51 <lcuk> organise a bus and do it as a roadtrip
Apr 07 11:38:01 <woglinde> lcuk *g*
Apr 07 11:38:08 <lcuk> woglinde, yeah but thats not the specific default normal mouse events is it
Apr 07 11:38:54 <lcuk> ie the things gtk picks up
Apr 07 11:39:18 <woglinde> hm sorry dont know
Apr 07 11:39:27 <svu_> ping alterego again
Apr 07 11:39:43 <woglinde> but looking into the source may enlight you
Apr 07 11:39:50 <lcuk> woglinde, dont worry, i dont care im happy reading pressure data from xsp
Apr 07 11:40:02 <woglinde> xsp?
Apr 07 11:40:08 <lcuk> it was anders_gud that was asking about reading pressure from gtk
Apr 07 11:40:32 <lcuk> touch pressure lib
Apr 07 11:40:48 <woglinde> hm oh never heard of it yet
Apr 07 11:41:17 <anders_gud> mypaint reads pressure from gtk...
Apr 07 11:41:28 <lcuk> from what i understand its a maemoism - it has to be removed beforei  build on  any other platform
Apr 07 11:41:46 <lcuk> anders_gud, which bit of the source does it..
Apr 07 11:42:25 <anders_gud> pressure = event.get_axis(gdk.AXIS_PRESSURE)
Apr 07 11:42:44 <anders_gud> i think...
Apr 07 11:42:45 <lcuk> what event?
Apr 07 11:43:02 <anders_gud> but i'm a noob :-)
Apr 07 11:44:00 <lcuk> oooh it does :D
Apr 07 11:44:05 * lcuk learns something new everyday
Apr 07 11:44:21 <woglinde> lcuk me too
Apr 07 11:44:45 <lcuk> ahh you have to add the extension events explicitely or the function returns none
Apr 07 11:44:48 <lcuk> explains a lot
Apr 07 11:44:49 <lcuk> lol
Apr 07 11:45:02 <lbt> sigh : http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qtabletevent.html
Apr 07 11:45:49 <lcuk> lol lbt, is there a Qmakemeabrew class or interface or widget
Apr 07 11:46:04 <lbt> are you reading my ToDo list?
Apr 07 11:46:12 <lbt> (recent request from Denise)
Apr 07 11:46:13 <lcuk> and to counter that i could give oyu the same class from .net :P
Apr 07 11:46:24 <lbt> and it runs on the N8x0?
Apr 07 11:46:26 <lbt> cool
Apr 07 11:46:39 <lcuk> mono does doesnt it..
Apr 07 11:48:00 <anders_gud> Thanks anyway lcuk, stskeeps! Bye!
Apr 07 11:48:14 <Stskeeps> lbt: qt4.5 still building on arm :>
Apr 07 11:51:35 <lbt> heh
Apr 07 11:51:51 <lbt> I was going to check if OBS had released ARM on schedule
Apr 07 11:52:35 <lbt> is that in the new qemu BTW?
Apr 07 11:54:06 <Stskeeps> lbt: yeah
Apr 07 11:54:08 <Stskeeps> works flawlessly
Apr 07 11:54:30 <lbt> quicker than the other method you were using?
Apr 07 11:56:02 <Stskeeps> lbt: probably yeah
Apr 07 11:56:11 <Stskeeps> still some things to accelerate but i think OBS would be a good candidate for that
Apr 07 11:56:27 <Stskeeps> as that's a tad more complicated and requires static binaries
Apr 07 11:57:23 <lbt> 'k
Apr 07 11:59:54 <lcuk> Stskeeps, what spec is your build machine
Apr 07 12:00:08 <wazd_> hey lbt, how's shopper going, need any more help?)
Apr 07 12:00:09 <lcuk> and i gather it will be possible to optimize by throwing iron at it
Apr 07 12:00:34 <Stskeeps> lcuk: craptacular
Apr 07 12:00:38 <Stskeeps> and yes
Apr 07 12:01:10 <Stskeeps> lcuk: dual core2 2.4ghz
Apr 07 12:02:01 <lbt> wazd_: I'm sure I will.... but I have a fair bit to work on from what you've given me :) I'll let you know as soon as I get anything done. In the meantime I'm still interested that it crashes a lot for you... would be nice to see why...
Apr 07 12:03:00 <lcuk> stability is much more important, dont want a crash distracting you and sending you and your trolley into the delicately stacked prune mountain!
Apr 07 12:03:11 <wazd_> lbt: well, since my tablet finaly reached reflash time, i'll test again on fresh install
Apr 07 12:03:23 <lbt> good
Apr 07 12:18:27 * lcuk smiles
Apr 07 12:21:09 <t3odor> Hi, did some of old N770 firmwares include dsp-tasks for video codecs - like old 2.0 mm architecture specification implies ?
Apr 07 12:52:26 <timsamoff> mornin'.
Apr 07 12:52:36 <Stskeeps> morn tim
Apr 07 12:53:04 <qwerty12> ello timsamoff
Apr 07 12:53:23 <timsamoff> Hoping for happy day. ;)
Apr 07 12:56:11 <wazd_> hi
Apr 07 12:57:05 <jeremiah_> Stskeeps: Aha! You switched to 'morn'!
Apr 07 12:57:24 <Stskeeps> it switches
Apr 07 13:00:41 <lcuk> Vindication!!!!!   http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/07/bacon_sarnie_hangover_cure/
Apr 07 13:01:14 <lcuk> now i dont need an excuse to be drunk every night - i have to do this to allow the bacon sarnie to work!!
Apr 07 13:02:14 <timsamoff> lcuk, your banner continues to amaze. Wave it high.
Apr 07 13:03:37 <lcuk> timsamoff, its a mere appreciation for bacon :)
Apr 07 13:03:57 <Myrtti> bacon?
Apr 07 13:04:23 <lcuk> yes, comes from pigs apparantly
Apr 07 13:04:31 <Myrtti> nomnomnom
Apr 07 13:04:40 <wazd_> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Pork/
Apr 07 13:04:49 <lcuk> some strange folks use alternative facon products
Apr 07 13:05:28 <timsamoff> wazd: Amazing. :p
Apr 07 13:05:37 <lcuk> wazd_, everytime i hear one of weebls songs they stick in my head (extremely good actually)   118 247
Apr 07 13:07:39 <n2> test
Apr 07 13:08:11 <jeremiah_> n2: Success?
Apr 07 13:08:28 <n2> yeah ;-)
Apr 07 13:08:34 <jeremiah_> timsamoff: The reporting _is_ to assess performance
Apr 07 13:08:46 <wazd_> can anybody turn that pork stuff off please?)
Apr 07 13:08:54 <jeremiah_> If not, that needs to be made clear.
Apr 07 13:09:28 <vsr> is there a maemo git somewhere?
Apr 07 13:09:34 <jeremiah_> lcuk: And it is by no means apparent that bacon comes from pigs, it looks like it could come from anything.
Apr 07 13:09:40 <jeremiah_> vsr: On garage
Apr 07 13:09:58 <jeremiah_> vsr: Or do you want to install git on your tablet?
Apr 07 13:10:32 <vsr> no build system
Apr 07 13:11:00 <X-Fade> vsr: git.maemo.org
Apr 07 13:11:06 <timsamoff> jeremiah_: Well, yes, but... I don't think that's where the tension is coming from.
Apr 07 13:11:06 <RST38h> jeremiah: it might have human origin, after all!
Apr 07 13:11:14 <X-Fade> and git on your tablet is in extras-devel ;)
Apr 07 13:11:19 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Exactly!
Apr 07 13:11:27 <vsr> g i t . m a e m o . o r g : : c o m i n g    s o o n
Apr 07 13:11:33 <timsamoff> jeremiah_: I will only eat turkey bacon.
Apr 07 13:11:43 <jeremiah_> timsamoff: Things need to be explicit.
Apr 07 13:11:44 <X-Fade> vsr: Just request a garage project with git..
Apr 07 13:11:47 <RST38h> timsamoff: you hate birds?
Apr 07 13:11:58 <timsamoff> RST38h: With a vengence.
Apr 07 13:12:00 <jeremiah_> Bird hater!
Apr 07 13:12:05 <timsamoff> :p
Apr 07 13:12:16 <vsr> is maemo based on bitbake/oe?
Apr 07 13:12:28 <jeremiah_> I love pigs, they are so smart and sweet, but I love bacon too.
Apr 07 13:12:45 <jeremiah_> vsr: The OS is debian, the SDK is based on scratchbox
Apr 07 13:12:52 <timsamoff> jeremiah_: Any opposition to dog bacon?
Apr 07 13:13:13 <jeremiah_> timsamoff: Is there such a thing??!!?!
Apr 07 13:13:46 <timsamoff> jeremiah_: Probably, but... They're smart and sweet too. People definitely eat dogs. I just don't know how they cook 'em. ;)
Apr 07 13:14:07 <jeremiah_> timsamoff: A friend of my brother ate dog in Nepal.
Apr 07 13:14:20 <jeremiah_> gross
Apr 07 13:14:34 <X-Fade> timsamoff: Well, I have some pictures of it from a market in Indonesia. Not very good for the stomach though.
Apr 07 13:14:37 <timsamoff> I was good friends with a Cambodian guy at school... He was always joking about going out and getting a snack.
Apr 07 13:14:46 <qwerty12> Horse meat... yum....
Apr 07 13:15:04 <X-Fade> rat-on-a-stick was a favourite there too.
Apr 07 13:15:09 <jeremiah_> qwerty12: You're not serious.
Apr 07 13:15:13 <timsamoff> X-Fade: my brother lives in Indonesia,. but I don't think he's eaten dog yet. There's too much checken there to have to resort.
Apr 07 13:15:29 <qwerty12> jeremiah_, maybe.... But, no, I'm not :P
Apr 07 13:15:42 <timsamoff> X-Fade: Chinese restaurants make a chicken-on-stick meal that we call "rat-on-stick." ;)
Apr 07 13:15:44 <jeremiah_> I have heard that in Asia they eat something like 100 animals; scorpion, snake, etc.
Apr 07 13:15:47 <jeremiah_> I eat three
Apr 07 13:15:53 <jeremiah_> beef, chicken, pork.
Apr 07 13:15:55 <jeremiah_> Thats it.
Apr 07 13:16:11 <timsamoff> jeremiah_: No fish?
Apr 07 13:16:17 <jeremiah_> No fish.
Apr 07 13:16:23 <jeremiah_> Well, sometimes, but rarely.
Apr 07 13:16:26 <X-Fade> timsamoff: Well on Sulawesi they ate just about everything. Bats and big pythons too,\
Apr 07 13:16:43 <jeremiah_> X-Fade: Are you serious? They ate bat?
Apr 07 13:16:54 <timsamoff> I've eaten rattle snake, shark, many others... I really want to go to a gourmet insect place some day.
Apr 07 13:17:27 <jeremiah_> timsamoff: Your culinary bravery makes me look, erm, like a chicken.
Apr 07 13:17:39 <Stskeeps> mm, chicken
Apr 07 13:17:47 <jeremiah_> kyckling
Apr 07 13:18:07 <timsamoff> jeremiah_ Ha. Well, I was vegetarian for almost 10 years. Now, I only eat chicken/turkey/fish.
Apr 07 13:19:12 <jeremiah_> Even vegetables scare me.
Apr 07 13:19:13 <RST38h> Chicken also suffers!
Apr 07 13:19:18 <RST38h> And fish too
Apr 07 13:19:21 <jeremiah_> Epecially vegetables.
Apr 07 13:19:34 <RST38h> jeremiah: Afraid to suck blood from baby tomatoes?
Apr 07 13:19:41 <timsamoff> RST34h: I suffer too.
Apr 07 13:19:56 * aquatix loves baby tomatoes, they taste like chicken
Apr 07 13:20:03 <RST38h> timsamoff: But nobody eats you and steals you eggs for food!
Apr 07 13:20:04 <aquatix> oh wait
Apr 07 13:20:21 <timsamoff> RST38h: You assume too much.
Apr 07 13:20:21 <jeremiah_> I only eat food that has fallen from the tree, I'm a fruitarian.
Apr 07 13:20:23 <n2> i love fish
Apr 07 13:20:23 <timsamoff> :p
Apr 07 13:20:25 <RST38h> Anyways, the moral, ethical thing to do is to switch to cannibalism
Apr 07 13:20:35 <aquatix> indeed
Apr 07 13:20:40 <jeremiah_> Sounds good, we'll start with lunch on you RST38h
Apr 07 13:20:40 <timsamoff> I had my arm for breakfast.
Apr 07 13:20:44 * qwerty12 will go for RST38h's brains. ASM would be nice to learn
Apr 07 13:21:00 <aquatix> qwerty12: be careful what you wish for
Apr 07 13:21:08 * RST38h will let Drawin resolve that
Apr 07 13:21:14 <aquatix> RST38h: good point
Apr 07 13:21:46 <RST38h> Meanwhile: Konami Announces a Game Based On A 2004 Battle In Fallujah
Apr 07 13:22:03 <jeremiah_> Can you say; "Bad taste"?
Apr 07 13:23:08 <RST38h> jeremiah: Based on reports by soldiers who participated in the battle and later asked Atomic Games to make a game
Apr 07 13:23:28 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Oh - I judged too soon, I take back my comment.
Apr 07 13:24:07 <RST38h> jeremiah: Two things I do not like about this are 1) can't play for the bad guys 2) bad guys always lose
Apr 07 13:24:26 <RST38h> jeremiah; With these two design flaws fixed, that would make a beautiful game =)
Apr 07 13:25:22 <doc|home> RST38h: history is written by the victor
Apr 07 13:25:25 <doc|home> :/
Apr 07 13:25:32 <jeremiah_> Who is Victor?
Apr 07 13:25:37 <doc|home> Frank's mate
Apr 07 13:25:44 <RST38h> the one who gets to tell the story of course
Apr 07 13:25:46 <doc|home> from down the pub
Apr 07 13:25:48 <jeremiah_> Oh yeah.
Apr 07 13:25:51 <doc|home> :)
Apr 07 13:25:58 <jeremiah_> He is always writing history.
Apr 07 13:26:28 <jeremiah_> He gets it wrong often though. Mostly cause he has been drinking with Frank.
Apr 07 13:26:41 <RST38h> http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=28110&in_page_id=34   <=== Why can't I play for Satan in this one?
Apr 07 13:27:11 <jeremiah_> Because you _are_ Satan
Apr 07 13:27:36 <keesj> party we have wifi at work!
Apr 07 13:27:53 <RST38h> Ok, then where the hell are my armies of locusts, tarpits, insect swarms, etc?
Apr 07 13:28:07 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Perhaps you have a cold?
Apr 07 13:28:08 <RST38h> Can I *at least* have a small thermonuclear weapon or two?
Apr 07 13:28:42 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Surely Pakistan has some rattling around that you can use.
Apr 07 13:32:21 <RST38h> jeremiah: wrong religion + they have only got regular nukes
Apr 07 13:33:21 <jeremiah_> heh, so you mean it is the Christians that have the _really_ destructive weapons?
Apr 07 13:33:53 <andre___> every second time i look into this channel it's about politics. i love this community :-P
Apr 07 13:34:09 <RST38h> what politics?
Apr 07 13:34:18 <mavhc> christians, muslims, atheists, everyone loves linux
Apr 07 13:34:42 <RST38h> Ballmer does not love linux ==> He is the Antichrist ==> KILL!
Apr 07 13:34:58 <mavhc> he's jewish though
Apr 07 13:35:04 <jeremiah_> RST38h: That was the theme of the nineties.
Apr 07 13:35:06 <fie_> wut no wai
Apr 07 13:35:15 <jeremiah_> We have already won, we don't need to kill Ballmer.
Apr 07 13:35:45 <RST38h> jeremiah: Even if it is fun?
Apr 07 13:36:09 <mavhc> microsoft says 96% of netbooks run windows
Apr 07 13:36:13 <jeremiah_> RST38h: Oh well, purely killing for enjoyment is a completely different kettle of fish.
Apr 07 13:36:23 <RST38h> (besides, I do not quite see where you have "won")
Apr 07 13:36:26 <jeremiah_> mavhc: Maybe true. But it is XP!
Apr 07 13:36:41 <RST38h> Last time I checked, XP was not Linux.
Apr 07 13:36:45 * mavhc says "96% of netbooks don't run vista"
Apr 07 13:37:05 <timsamoff> Anyone see an issue here: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-April/003639.html (or any mailing list archive message)? For me, the message body text has no whitespace.
Apr 07 13:37:24 <RST38h> has got whitespace here
Apr 07 13:37:30 <jeremiah_> I see regular formatting timsamoff
Apr 07 13:37:31 <timsamoff> So weird.
Apr 07 13:39:22 <timsamoff> http://samoff.maemobox.org/random/m.o-mailing_list.png
Apr 07 13:39:52 <doc|home> ahahah
Apr 07 13:41:53 <jeremiah_> http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1827871101?bctid=4589039001
Apr 07 13:55:44 <RST38h> jeremiah: the idea is so perfectly logical that it is a miracle nobody has used it so far
Apr 07 13:56:05 <jeremiah_> It looks pretty well done too.
Apr 07 13:57:25 <lcuk> its not realistically been practical before now because of the component sizes
Apr 07 13:58:06 <RST38h> lcuk: Not true
Apr 07 13:58:40 <RST38h> lcuk: Transparent LCDs have been known for years (appeared before reflective LCDs in fact) and covering one with a touchscreen matrix is not such a difficult thing
Apr 07 13:59:06 <lcuk> the LCD is, but the guts of the machine, the cpu and motherboard and battery and controller chips and stuff
Apr 07 13:59:46 <RST38h> lcuk: Not different from any other gadget
Apr 07 14:00:46 <lcuk> course it is, forever and a day there has been all that space available "behind the screen" for the machine itself.  if it HAS to be fitted in the bezel theres serious problems
Apr 07 14:01:02 <jeremiah_> RST38h: You have to conceed that chips, motherboard, etc. have gotten smaller, allowing a device like this to be engineered.
Apr 07 14:02:06 <RST38h> Folks, you are forgetting that reasonably complex circuitry has been used in such devices for years. Look at Fisher Price toys
Apr 07 14:02:16 <lcuk> the innovation is not that you can touch the back, its the fact you can actually fit the machine into such a small space
Apr 07 14:02:16 <wazd_> it's just flash simulation
Apr 07 14:02:22 <wazd_> finger is drawn
Apr 07 14:02:30 <wazd_> back is simple touchpad
Apr 07 14:02:57 <RST38h> It does not have to be a full fledged computer: even a clock with a few sensory areas at the back of the screen would qualify for this category
Apr 07 14:03:46 <mavhc> I assume the point is to overlay a picture of the fingers that are detected behind it with some kind of camera
Apr 07 14:03:48 <mgedmin> either swfdec is incapable of playing that flash movie, or my internet connectivity sucks
Apr 07 14:03:58 <wazd_> mavhc: touchpad
Apr 07 14:04:17 * RST38h thoroughfully curses Windows7 and asks the Tentacled One to take some Redmond people out for lunch.
Apr 07 14:04:27 <mavhc> where's the accompanying text to go with the video?
Apr 07 14:04:54 <RST38h> given that the fingers appear to touch the back surface, this can't be done with a camera
Apr 07 14:05:40 <wazd_> it can be just white spot on the screen
Apr 07 14:05:50 <wazd_> finger is just funny joke :)
Apr 07 14:06:10 <RST38h> yea, they can draw the whole thing in principle
Apr 07 14:06:42 <wazd_> back of this box is simple touchpad that senses where your finger presses
Apr 07 14:06:49 <wazd_> and it shows it on the screen
Apr 07 14:07:00 <wazd_> there's nothing transparent :)
Apr 07 14:07:11 <RST38h> well, they are drawing the whole finger, so they somehow need to detect its orientation
Apr 07 14:07:23 <RST38h> by figngerprint maybe?
Apr 07 14:07:34 <wazd_> RST38h: it doesn't change orientation if you'll look closely
Apr 07 14:07:54 * RST38h checks
Apr 07 14:08:56 <RST38h> no, it does change orientation a little bit
Apr 07 14:09:20 <mavhc> where's the accompanying text to go with the video?
Apr 07 14:12:20 <wazd_> RST38h: no it's not: http://s41.radikal.ru/i093/0904/1c/e35bbce9dc7a.jpg
Apr 07 14:18:08 <lcuk> wazd, you never seen anyone with a wonky finger before :P
Apr 07 14:18:44 <timsamoff> Mr. Wonky Fingers would be so offended.
Apr 07 14:22:35 <qwerty12> X-Fade, will there ever be a good time to upload webkit? I've checked and checked, make runs with -j4 and nothing else...
Apr 07 14:24:10 <RST38h> wazd: in this particular frame he can be bending his finger
Apr 07 14:24:17 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Try it now, I'll monitor it.
Apr 07 14:24:26 <qwerty12> X-Fade, thanks
Apr 07 14:24:38 <X-Fade> qwerty12: If I see it getting ugly, I'll kill it ;)
Apr 07 14:25:02 <qwerty12> hehe
Apr 07 14:25:07 <wazd_> RST38h: noway a human can bend finger that way :)
Apr 07 14:25:19 <X-Fade> qwerty12: There are no other tasks building, so I know who to blame when it dies ;)
Apr 07 14:25:46 * qwerty12 looks around him. You'll never catch me!
Apr 07 14:25:46 * X-Fade gets a bucket tar and a bundle of feathers.
Apr 07 14:27:12 * timsamoff thinks RST38h would be offended that qwerty12 looks like a chicken.
Apr 07 14:32:05 <rmt> http://trac.corporatism.org/browser/pview.vala - my touch screen image viewer (now web accessible) .. and http://trac.corporatism.org/browser/pass.vala (very simple mostly insecure but fit-for-purpose password requesting app)
Apr 07 14:33:52 <rmt> Unfortunately I'm having trouble getting pview to compile with N810 standard Gtk/GLib libs.. thought Regex's were a problem and eliminated them, but still have problems.. compiling against newer libs should work fine.
Apr 07 14:34:24 <timsamoff> Have a good day everyone.
Apr 07 14:35:10 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Ok, it is starting now..
Apr 07 14:35:27 * qwerty12 cues dramatic music
Apr 07 14:35:55 <qwerty12> rmt, Bundyo uses libpcre in his vala based Tear to have regex's
Apr 07 14:36:00 <X-Fade> qwerty12: /scratchbox/tools/bin/make -j4 -C build
Apr 07 14:36:42 <qwerty12> It's also worth noting that it took a day to build w/out -j...
Apr 07 14:36:58 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Yeah, saw that :)
Apr 07 14:37:03 <Stskeeps> webkit is huge.
Apr 07 14:37:05 <qwerty12> :)
Apr 07 14:37:21 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Now imaging QT4.5 including webkit and more stuff ;)
Apr 07 14:37:25 <X-Fade> *imagine
Apr 07 14:37:30 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: i'm building that on my ARM chroot right now.
Apr 07 14:37:39 <Stskeeps> (with the OBS qemu)
Apr 07 14:37:48 <Stskeeps> 1 1/2 day so far
Apr 07 14:37:51 <X-Fade> Takes 18 hours on our builder.
Apr 07 14:37:52 <rmt> qwerty12, Was simple enough to re-implement the code here.. probably fractionally faster too.
Apr 07 14:38:30 <qwerty12> rmt, ah, missed the part where you said that you eliminated the problem :)
Apr 07 14:39:03 <lcuk> x-fade, qwerty might be "good" at bringing your server down, but i just brought our entire netowkr down here at work - with 1 file copy \@/
Apr 07 14:40:04 * rmt notes that the Vala implementation of pview is significantly faster than his previous python implementation, even though most of the work is in the image processing/resizing functions of gdk.. strange, that.
Apr 07 14:51:51 <lcuk> rmt, python is notoriously slow, vala boils down to raw c
Apr 07 14:52:17 <lcuk> you must have some serious section which is using more python than you thought
Apr 07 14:52:46 <rmt> lcuk, definitely the initial directory traversal ..
Apr 07 14:53:20 <lcuk> its nice and fast in c - what object model do you parse  your folders from?
Apr 07 14:54:39 * lcuk uses opendir()   readdir()  closedir() loop
Apr 07 14:55:52 * lcuk vanishes again
Apr 07 15:06:35 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Constant load of 6. So it is probably ok now.
Apr 07 15:06:52 <qwerty12> Wicked, thanks!
Apr 07 15:07:00 * qwerty12 *crosses fingers*
Apr 07 15:07:05 <X-Fade> We need a progress bar ;)
Apr 07 15:14:40 <Khertan1> Hello !
Apr 07 15:14:52 * Khertan1 is currently installing Mer :)
Apr 07 15:16:03 <Stskeeps> :)
Apr 07 15:16:42 <Khertan1> yep i need to test mCalendar, mNotes on it :)
Apr 07 15:18:31 <Khertan1> humm ... i need to fix pygtkeditor ... for user path ...
Apr 07 15:19:02 <Stskeeps> hehe, always using getenv("HOME") or what it is in python is a good thing
Apr 07 15:19:14 <Khertan1> yep
Apr 07 15:19:26 <Khertan1> but pygtkeditor was my first python program
Apr 07 15:39:48 <Khertan1> ouch skype conf call + mer download + ftp upload of new version of our software ... isn't a good idea on a 1Mb adsl line
Apr 07 15:49:35 <Stskeeps> http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28145
Apr 07 15:49:37 <Stskeeps> oh dear god
Apr 07 15:50:10 <qwerty12> If Chinese parents are anything like Paki parents, I could probably relate...
Apr 07 15:50:28 <Stskeeps> true
Apr 07 15:52:17 <GAN8001> lol
Apr 07 16:07:48 <churl> hello everyone!
Apr 07 16:07:53 <Stskeeps> wello
Apr 07 16:08:08 <woglinde> hello
Apr 07 16:08:42 <churl> It's been a minute since I've been here, hope all is well in the maemo world
Apr 07 16:10:31 <churl> wow, lots of new apps available to install!
Apr 07 16:22:53 <Stskeeps> wow, april 09 looks like there's activity going on
Apr 07 16:26:37 <GeneralAntilles> and March didn't?
Apr 07 16:27:25 <Khertan1> Stskeeps: did there is problem with the 0
Apr 07 16:27:36 <Khertan1> download ?
Apr 07 16:27:38 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: .. more colours
Apr 07 16:27:41 <Stskeeps> Khertan1: hmm?
Apr 07 16:27:43 <Khertan1> of mer installer ?
Apr 07 16:27:57 <Stskeeps> shouldn't be a problem, if you have 2.0.0-mer8
Apr 07 16:27:59 <Khertan1> i ve should redownload the things 5 times
Apr 07 16:28:17 <Khertan1> i mean not the installer but the archive of 0.11
Apr 07 16:28:43 <Stskeeps> shouldn't be a problem with it, it fails to unpack or?
Apr 07 16:29:04 <Khertan1> teh download of mer-armel-n8x0-images-v0.11.tar.gz
Apr 07 16:29:21 <Khertan1> not the upack ... really the download part which stall
Apr 07 16:29:27 <Stskeeps> hmm
Apr 07 16:29:41 <Khertan1> seems you didn't hear of any problems
Apr 07 16:29:47 <|thunder> what is Mer ?
Apr 07 16:29:51 <Stskeeps> well i guess there's different types of internet connections
Apr 07 16:29:53 <Khertan1> so it should come from my adsl
Apr 07 16:29:53 <qwerty12> ~mer
Apr 07 16:29:54 <infobot> well, mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer
Apr 07 16:30:01 <Stskeeps> Khertan1: i can put it on a better connection if you want me to
Apr 07 16:30:03 <|thunder> thanks
Apr 07 16:30:20 <Stskeeps> and you can point the installer to a new URL=
Apr 07 16:30:26 <Khertan1> :)
Apr 07 16:30:49 <Khertan1> this time it s seems i have near the end
Apr 07 16:30:50 <Khertan1> ...
Apr 07 16:30:55 <Khertan1> so it should be ok
Apr 07 16:30:59 <Stskeeps> oki
Apr 07 16:31:19 <|thunder> hmm, no screenies
Apr 07 16:31:47 <Stskeeps> plenty of screenies
Apr 07 16:31:53 <Stskeeps> sec
Apr 07 16:31:56 <qwerty12> |thunder, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.11#Screenshots
Apr 07 16:32:04 <GeneralAntilles> A screenshot link from the Mer homepage would be good.
Apr 07 16:34:34 <Stskeeps> wb
Apr 07 16:38:02 <Stskeeps> wazd_: http://melvawardjr.livejournal.com/6931.html <- true WTF
Apr 07 16:39:04 <qwerty12> "All our squad, hombres from assibilate the cosmos, schmoose on # maemo"
Apr 07 16:39:13 <Stskeeps> yes
Apr 07 16:39:28 <Khertan1> I'll try to made screenshot of my apps under mer
Apr 07 16:39:48 <Stskeeps> :)
Apr 07 16:39:52 <qwerty12> I'm dark but I ain't Mexican :P
Apr 07 16:39:56 <Khertan1> is it normal that after entering root password terminal close and nothing more happen ?
Apr 07 16:40:36 <Stskeeps> Khertan1: go into application manager, check for updates, click refresh, a merinstaller update will probably show up
Apr 07 16:40:40 <Khertan1> top indicate me that refresh boot menu :)
Apr 07 16:40:50 <Khertan1> is working in background
Apr 07 16:41:00 <Khertan1> Stskeeps i ve installed the last one :)
Apr 07 16:41:10 <Stskeeps> sure? 2.0.0-mer8?
Apr 07 16:41:14 <Stskeeps> check it's the right version :P
Apr 07 16:41:25 <Khertan1> i 'm verifying
Apr 07 16:42:33 <Khertan1> if bootmenu let me some cpu cycle to see the version number
Apr 07 16:42:42 <churl> so, I have plenty of room on both my SD cards, but none left on the internal 250 mb.  I'm guessing this is because some large game installs don't give me the option to install to an SD card.  Is there anyway to force an app to install onto a SD card?  Or is there a way that I'm not seeing to get around my, "always full 250mb" ?
Apr 07 16:43:12 <Stskeeps> Khertan1: yeah.. it's a bug and i'm sure i fixed it in 2.0.0-mer8 :P
Apr 07 16:43:39 <Khertan1> i ve use the .install to install mer installer :)
Apr 07 16:43:50 <Khertan1> so ssh :)
Apr 07 16:43:58 <Stskeeps> Khertan1: yeah, but it doesn't force a certainversion
Apr 07 16:44:01 <Stskeeps> afaik
Apr 07 16:45:14 <Khertan1> hum ...
Apr 07 16:45:30 <Khertan1> how can i see with apt-cache which version is installed ?
Apr 07 16:45:37 <Stskeeps> dpkg -l merinstaller
Apr 07 16:45:56 <Khertan1> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
Apr 07 16:45:57 <Khertan1> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
Apr 07 16:45:57 <Khertan1> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
Apr 07 16:45:57 <Khertan1> ||/ Name           Version        Description
Apr 07 16:45:57 <Khertan1> +++-==============-==============-============================================
Apr 07 16:45:57 <Khertan1> ii  merinstaller   2.0.0-mer8     The offical Mer Project installer
Apr 07 16:45:59 <Khertan1> haha
Apr 07 16:46:09 <Khertan1> thx
Apr 07 16:46:18 <Stskeeps> riight.
Apr 07 16:46:19 <Stskeeps> hmm. :p
Apr 07 16:46:28 <Stskeeps> simple or advanced?
Apr 07 16:46:31 <Khertan1> simple
Apr 07 16:46:34 <Khertan1> ext card
Apr 07 16:46:39 <Khertan1> n810
Apr 07 16:47:04 <Stskeeps> ok, does a /etc/bootmenu.d/mer-something exist+
Apr 07 16:47:37 <Khertan1> mer-simple-ext.item
Apr 07 16:47:39 <mgedmin> Khertan1: you use apt-cache policy $packagename
Apr 07 16:47:49 <mgedmin> and watch for the '*' to indicate which version is installed
Apr 07 16:47:57 <Stskeeps> Khertan1: ok, reboot, and then go into root terminal and refresh_bootmenu.d
Apr 07 16:47:59 <mgedmin> dpkg -l tends to truncate its output
Apr 07 16:48:07 <mgedmin> unless you use dpkg -l $pkgname|cat
Apr 07 16:48:19 <Khertan1> thx mgedmin :)
Apr 07 16:48:20 <mgedmin> also, dpkg -l has that huge obnoxious header
Apr 07 16:48:31 <mgedmin> which you should probably not paste into the irc channel ;)
Apr 07 16:48:32 <Khertan1> rigth
Apr 07 16:48:59 <Khertan1> the problem isn't the header ... but the system i use right now and putty ...
Apr 07 16:49:35 <Khertan1> you know one of the only system that require that you install an application just to do ssh
Apr 07 16:49:59 <Khertan1> something that start with a W
Apr 07 16:50:33 <Khertan1> Stskeeps: i'm not sure killing the process refresh_bootmenu is a good idea
Apr 07 16:50:38 <Khertan1> right ?
Apr 07 16:50:45 <Stskeeps> Khertan1: oh, it's a good idea, it doesn't do anything
Apr 07 16:50:46 <Stskeeps> just busy-waits
Apr 07 16:51:08 <Stskeeps> later in the process it's not a good idea ;)
Apr 07 16:54:09 <Khertan1> youps ! device crash
Apr 07 16:56:24 <Khertan1> pivot root and starting /sbin/init...
Apr 07 16:56:29 <Khertan1> and poof ... reboot
Apr 07 16:56:33 <Stskeeps> hmmm
Apr 07 16:56:48 <Khertan1> so ... reinstall :)
Apr 07 16:56:54 <Stskeeps> i guess :/
Apr 07 16:57:05 <Khertan1> It s start to look like to Windows :)
Apr 07 16:57:49 <Khertan1> but don't worry i think it s related to some thing that run in background of my nit
Apr 07 16:59:43 <mikkov_> has anybody tried commenting on maemo.org/downloads lately?
Apr 07 17:05:39 <qwerty12> mikkov_, I got emails today about comments on some of my things (but the odd thing is that the emails are dated 2 days ago but I only got them today)
Apr 07 17:07:23 <mikkov_> i got mails too, but comments are missing
Apr 07 17:14:18 <Khertan1> don't know noone like my softs enough to comment it ... :)
Apr 07 17:37:10 <lcuk> Khertan1, what have you released now then?
Apr 07 18:03:01 <fzero> Hello all. I don't know if this is a n00b question but is there any way to make SSHing to the N800 less laggy?
Apr 07 18:03:26 <lcuk> i never notice lag with ssh
Apr 07 18:03:30 <fzero> I searched google but the only solution was to leave something in other terminal window pinging an outside server.
Apr 07 18:03:34 <lcuk> and i use it lots of the time
Apr 07 18:03:40 <lcuk> just how laggy is it
Apr 07 18:03:48 <fzero> VERY laggy.
Apr 07 18:04:06 <fzero> It connects, asks for the password, shows the prompt and then i have a lag of some seconds.
Apr 07 18:04:18 <fzero> then it's responsive again
Apr 07 18:04:22 <Stskeeps> fzero: power saving measures
Apr 07 18:04:22 <fzero> And then lags again
Apr 07 18:04:25 <Stskeeps> (PSM)
Apr 07 18:04:34 <fzero> Stskeeps: Yep, i figured that, but how to fix it?
Apr 07 18:04:43 <mikkov_> disable it
Apr 07 18:04:49 <Stskeeps> disabling power saving within the connections panel
Apr 07 18:05:08 <mikkov_> but then your battery runs out fast :)
Apr 07 18:05:25 <fzero> mikkov_: No problem, I'll leave it plugged in while doing that
Apr 07 18:05:50 <fzero> I haven't seen that panel, but I'll look when I get home.
Apr 07 18:06:30 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, because you use that ghetto as WiFi setup.
Apr 07 18:06:31 <fzero> Thanks lots. I've just bought the N800 but I'm a Python (and ruby, and PHP, and...) coder.
Apr 07 18:06:37 <fzero> So I have plans. >:)
Apr 07 18:06:57 <GeneralAntilles> Just leave something using the network
Apr 07 18:07:00 <GeneralAntilles> XChat works nicely
Apr 07 18:07:12 <GeneralAntilles> While not completely destroying your battery life.
Apr 07 18:07:15 <GeneralAntilles> ~psm
Apr 07 18:07:15 <fzero> GeneralAntilles: I tried pinging my router.
Apr 07 18:07:16 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, psm is Personal Security Manager for Mozilla, at http://docs.iplanet.com/docs/manuals/psm/psm-mozilla/index.html.  You don't need to restart mozilla as noted on that URL.  It also consumes 100% CPU unfortunately... lame piece of software. no longer works as of mozilla 0.7, or  needed for viewing of some login sites, i.e. yahoo. install by apt-get install mozilla-psm
Apr 07 18:07:24 <GeneralAntilles> ~wifi-psm
Apr 07 18:07:26 <infobot> [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM)
Apr 07 18:07:32 <fzero> GeneralAntilles: It gets better, but it's still laggy.
Apr 07 18:08:31 <mikkov_> pinging once a second isn't enough, psm still kicks in
Apr 07 18:08:53 <GeneralAntilles> PSM kicks in after 100ms
Apr 07 18:09:31 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, my ghetto ass wifi setup obviously works better than all your slow ass laggy shite :P
Apr 07 18:10:08 <GeneralAntilles> No, lcuk, you trade good battery life for specious WiFi advantages
Apr 07 18:10:25 <lcuk> but if i never suffer from a flat battery what does it matter?
Apr 07 18:10:49 <lcuk> incidentally, at the summit my n810 was the only one with battery left when we were at the pub at end of day
Apr 07 18:10:53 <lcuk> everyone elses was flat :)
Apr 07 18:11:20 <GeneralAntilles> and?
Apr 07 18:12:22 <fzero> After reading the article, maybe even the intermediate setting will work.
Apr 07 18:23:38 <joyrider> it's comming along nicely if i say so myselve hehe : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnRI1Q9IEjg
Apr 07 18:24:18 <Jaffa> re
Apr 07 18:24:39 <lcuk> \o hi jaffa
Apr 07 18:24:40 <Stskeeps> 'lo jaffa
Apr 07 18:25:03 <fzero> joyrider: Whats the idea, you change gravity's direction?
Apr 07 18:25:08 <Stskeeps> ooh.
Apr 07 18:25:09 <Stskeeps> boulderdash
Apr 07 18:25:21 <Stskeeps> .. i was reminded of
Apr 07 18:25:33 <fzero> joyrider: Looks like a killer, erm, time-killer.
Apr 07 18:25:35 <fzero> :)
Apr 07 18:25:40 <joyrider> fzero yeah basicly and you need to remove the blocks by doing so :)
Apr 07 18:25:49 <lcuk> joyrider, that video is from a windows machine, whats it like on device? is it responsive and slick?
Apr 07 18:25:57 <joyrider> lcuk yes
Apr 07 18:26:04 <joyrider> i tried it on the device already
Apr 07 18:26:04 <lcuk> good
Apr 07 18:26:19 <lcuk> you need to make sure you keep trying it on device as well ;)
Apr 07 18:26:45 <joyrider> oh i do at first the effects we're too slow till i tested it on the device had to change them :)
Apr 07 18:27:22 <fzero> joyrider: It has a nintendoish look and feel. Me likes it.
Apr 07 18:27:52 <lcuk> joyrider, you have a simple little driving game, is that sdl as well?
Apr 07 18:27:54 <joyrider> fzero the "blueish skin" is actually taken from the nintendo game version, it's a remake
Apr 07 18:28:00 <joyrider> lcuk yes
Apr 07 18:28:04 <joyrider> but never finished it
Apr 07 18:28:07 <lcuk> get that ported ;)
Apr 07 18:28:10 <qgil> GeneralAntilles: ping
Apr 07 18:28:30 <GeneralAntilles> qgil, pong?
Apr 07 18:28:41 <fzero> joyrider: cool
Apr 07 18:28:51 <lcuk> joyrider, ive considered a racing game where you drive car around by drawing stroke all the way round the track
Apr 07 18:28:52 <joyrider> fzero original game is named "gravnic", which is part of "puzznic" for the nes :)
Apr 07 18:28:58 <qgil> hi, do you hav plans for Copenhagen?
Apr 07 18:28:59 <lcuk> as levels advance the track gets thinner ;)
Apr 07 18:29:09 <joyrider> ah sounds intresting
Apr 07 18:29:27 <lcuk> but the sort of scale track as you have on the game you show there
Apr 07 18:29:35 <lcuk> ie the principle core of your app could work easily ;)
Apr 07 18:30:34 <joyrider> yeah but it's too buggy & hackery :) i wanted to make the levels all defined by graphics for gates etc so people could "draw" the levels but i never finished it lost intrest in it :/
Apr 07 18:31:07 <joyrider> plus the graphic level was hard to do so decided to skip it
Apr 07 18:31:19 <joyrider> btw yesterday i stumbled on a nice site : http://www.squidi.net/three/index.php don't know if you have seen it before but it has general idea's for some game implementations
Apr 07 18:31:31 <lcuk> heh, way back when i wrote a racetrack designer - lovely splines and crossovers and adjustable bits
Apr 07 18:31:42 <GeneralAntilles> qgil, there's no way I could get a passport in time.
Apr 07 18:32:51 <joyrider> yeah i read something up about the splines and how one could create ai cars using that, but that was too hard for me i'm just an average joe programmer doing it as a hobby (& work) but i still consider myselve quite noob to it all :)
Apr 07 18:32:58 <qgil> GeneralAntilles: ... and through El Paso?
Apr 07 18:33:27 <lcuk> haha
Apr 07 18:33:29 <qgil> GeneralAntilles: alright, but please star doing the papers so you get it for the Maemo Summit...
Apr 07 18:33:40 <GeneralAntilles> qgil, yeah, on it.
Apr 07 18:33:55 <qgil> then... I only need to know whether Qola has plans
Apr 07 18:33:57 <qgil> Qole
Apr 07 18:34:05 <GeneralAntilles> Not much I can really bring to the table for a dev get together anyway. ;)
Apr 07 18:34:18 <lcuk> joyrider, dont underestimate yourself, you have got a collection of apps under your belt which can be grown and polished further
Apr 07 18:34:19 <qgil> ... and the Fremantle Stars, only lcuk has answered
Apr 07 18:34:43 <lcuk> :D
Apr 07 18:35:07 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: keeping opposing community members from getting into a fist fight? ;)
Apr 07 18:35:30 <GeneralAntilles> Stskeeps, dude, I'm totally throwing down.
Apr 07 18:35:35 <joyrider> lcuk, hmm yeah but i generally start one make it , wait till its finished to my "needs" and release it and then stop working on them unless they contain bugs :) + i only started with sdl & c/c++ with the gp2x
Apr 07 18:35:42 <qgil> Stskeeps: are you recruiting Mer contributors for Copenhagn?
Apr 07 18:36:02 <lcuk> joyrider, you have seen liqbase i gather?
Apr 07 18:36:07 <Stskeeps> qgil: yeah, i'm trying hard - so far VDVsx can't, lbt might, and zenvoid is exploring options, and wazd can't leave the country
Apr 07 18:36:43 <lcuk> lardman?
Apr 07 18:36:44 <joyrider> to give an example how noob i am:  i was too lazy to figure out how to use multiple files & header files so i just (used) to write everything in one C/cpp file :x although i'm still learning and starting to use header & multiple files now :)
Apr 07 18:36:50 <Stskeeps> lcuk: getting married that weekend
Apr 07 18:36:51 <Stskeeps> afaik
Apr 07 18:36:52 <joyrider> luck yes i've seen it :)
Apr 07 18:36:56 <lcuk> oh yeah!
Apr 07 18:37:03 <lcuk> holly will let him sneak off ;)
Apr 07 18:37:03 <joyrider> even tried it out :)
Apr 07 18:39:50 <Stskeeps> qgil: i hope that some more people start being interested all around when details, sponsorship details, focus areas within the projects start being published - people might be wary in these crisis times :)
Apr 07 18:40:26 * GeneralAntilles is wary of running into Stskeeps.
Apr 07 18:40:50 <qgil> Stskeeps: sure, I have seen that X-Fade and Eero from Nemein were trying out the sponsorship form this afternoon
Apr 07 18:41:09 <qgil> we do have some budget to help out developers joining in, yes
Apr 07 18:41:34 * Jaffa wonders why interesting stuff always happens when he's already got plans - not like he's got a busy social life 99.999% of the time
Apr 07 18:41:36 <Stskeeps> GeneralAntilles: heh, in my old open source project we had a saying that WW3 would start if we were ever in the same room
Apr 07 18:42:02 <Stskeeps> we=the developers
Apr 07 18:42:11 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, it's a conspiracy.
Apr 07 18:42:16 <VDVsx> end of may is a very bad time for students (at least in europe) :(
Apr 07 18:42:56 <Stskeeps> yeah - i have math exam 8 days later, but i'm reading up early on :P
Apr 07 18:43:07 <qgil> VDVsx: I don't recall that from my times as student... specially not in a weekend  :)
Apr 07 18:44:02 <qgil> anyway, I just hope we reach the critical mass sooner than later
Apr 07 18:44:29 <VDVsx> qgil, yeah but now is time for final exams, graduations, etc...
Apr 07 18:44:48 <qgil> (also the announcement was kept some extyra days because of some details and we hit Easter, not useful either to get early confirmations)
Apr 07 18:44:57 <VDVsx> I can confirm this with some GSoC info :p
Apr 07 18:45:36 <qgil> VDVsx: alright, before the EU mid june was the time
Apr 07 18:45:59 <qgil> ... and thousends of students seem not to have many problems to meet at http://www.sonar.es  ;)
Apr 07 18:46:08 <qgil> but yes, point taken
Apr 07 18:46:14 <VDVsx> eheh
Apr 07 18:46:32 <VDVsx> qgil, at least is a bad time for me. :P
Apr 07 18:46:46 * VDVsx gonna watch Man. United match :)
Apr 07 18:48:38 <qgil> ... and besides the confirmations to come or not, I would appreciate more feedback in the form of pure comments
Apr 07 18:48:58 <qgil> about the event itself and what could we do with it
Apr 07 18:49:20 <qgil> it's an experiment that no Maemo nor Mozilla hav done in the past
Apr 07 18:49:55 <woglinde> re
Apr 07 18:50:01 <Jaffa> Sounds like a good idea to me, but it'll depend on how many of the key technical developers/stakeholders can make it
Apr 07 18:50:27 <GeneralAntilles> Hopefully we get some improved MicroB plugins out of it.
Apr 07 18:50:37 <qgil> Jaffa: do you mean core Fennec guys or... ?
Apr 07 18:51:07 <qgil> GeneralAntilles: MicroB plugins? We are looking preferrably for Fennec add-ons
Apr 07 18:51:27 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, well, let's hope for a functional release of Fennec, then. ;)
Apr 07 18:51:38 <lcuk> i have half an idea for a little coding competition while we are there - to give some focus to those devs who make it
Apr 07 18:52:03 <qgil> GeneralAntilles: I guess they will get there...
Apr 07 18:52:11 <lcuk> but im concentrating on other matters principly ;)
Apr 07 18:52:19 <GeneralAntilles> That, or OMAP3, I guess. . . .
Apr 07 18:52:48 <Stskeeps> qgil: some more venue information could be good - it's a bit unclear to me if we're going to be stuck in a big room like at a LAN party ;)
Apr 07 18:53:15 <Stskeeps> i'll try to dig some up but i'm not sure what kind of space agreement you got at ITU
Apr 07 18:53:19 <qgil> GeneralAntilles: in principle the good thing about Fennec add-ons is that they should be cross-platform
Apr 07 18:53:42 <GeneralAntilles> Soo, Maemo and WinMob? ;)
Apr 07 18:53:50 <qgil> the question is how long will it take to Fennec to have a significant presence and reliability in Maemo and the rest of platforms they are targetting
Apr 07 18:54:33 <qgil> GeneralAntilles: there is a project for S60 too, and I wouldn't be surprised seeing them in the rest of Linux mobile platforms
Apr 07 18:55:08 <qgil> Stskeeps: there is one auditorium, a big hall and 3 rooms
Apr 07 18:55:13 <Stskeeps> k
Apr 07 18:56:02 <woglinde> qgil is the weekend now for maemo/mozilla integration only?
Apr 07 18:56:42 <qgil> woglinde: http://wiki.maemo.org/MozillaMaemoDanishWeekend
Apr 07 18:57:00 <qgil> Maemo/Mozilla integration is actually the smallest part
Apr 07 18:57:07 <keesj> Fennec rules
Apr 07 18:57:09 <woglinde> ah okay
Apr 07 18:57:14 <woglinde> so I didnt read it wrong
Apr 07 18:57:21 <qgil> and the less relevant since both teams are made of professionals and they meet face to face whenever they like, more or less
Apr 07 18:57:50 <qgil> but woglinde maybe this is what many people is thinking not reading below the event name
Apr 07 18:58:01 <woglinde> qgil no no I read this
Apr 07 18:58:15 <woglinde> but was unsure beause of the discussion
Apr 07 18:58:55 <qgil> I was talking about add-ons only, which is something where there is obviously room for community / third parties
Apr 07 18:59:22 <Stskeeps> qgil: a simple planet.maemo.org post might do something too
Apr 07 19:00:18 <qgil> ah yes, I always forget about the people that follows planet only instead of /news
Apr 07 19:00:24 <qgil> tomorrow
Apr 07 19:01:22 <woglinde> re florian
Apr 07 19:01:35 <qgil> maybe sending an email to the projcts listed at http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Stars and http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects would help too
Apr 07 19:01:55 <qgil> I do think some people has got the idea that this is a weekend for Mozilla related projects only
Apr 07 19:01:58 <florian> re
Apr 07 19:05:05 <Mek> qgil: well, that wiki page says that if you "work on Fennec, [...] *and* Maemo 5 applications" the call i ment for you...
Apr 07 19:07:18 * Stskeeps tries to ask around at his CS dept of students who might be interested
Apr 07 19:07:19 <qgil> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mozilla_Maemo_Danish_Weekend#Who_is_coming - 12 people now  :)
Apr 07 19:07:31 <woglinde> hehe
Apr 07 19:08:04 <qgil> Mek:  fair point!
Apr 07 19:09:42 <ShadowJK> Khertan1, ah I tried pygtkeditor yesterday, the save dialog changed size constantly on my device (diablo) :)
Apr 07 19:10:06 <qgil> Mek: edited in maemo.org, and I will remember tomorrow in the blog post
Apr 07 19:10:29 <Mek> okay :)
Apr 07 19:23:05 <RST38h> Folks, does ALSA have some /sys or /proc file that lets me modify global audio volume?
Apr 07 19:23:16 <ShadowJK> no
Apr 07 19:23:36 <Macer> Stskeeps:
Apr 07 19:23:42 <Macer> are you there??
Apr 07 19:23:50 <Stskeeps> Macer: mm?
Apr 07 19:23:55 <Macer> lol
Apr 07 19:24:00 <Macer> i need your phone
Apr 07 19:24:02 <RST38h> Any other command line friendly way to control audio volume?
Apr 07 19:24:05 <Stskeeps> sec
Apr 07 19:24:07 <Macer> for int shipping
Apr 07 19:24:15 <Macer> try to hurry
Apr 07 19:24:21 <Macer> im holding the line up
Apr 07 19:24:24 <Stskeeps> call me in the middle of the night and i'll be grumpy :P
Apr 07 19:24:44 <Stskeeps> phone number in msg
Apr 07 19:25:38 <Stskeeps> qgil: prodded my previous boss who's a forum nokia contact at my university (.. who actually got me into maemo initially), and will try to see if he knows any students etc who might be interested in this too
Apr 07 19:25:57 <qwerty12_N800> Macer: that's a hint to call him in the middle of the night :p
Apr 07 19:26:06 <ShadowJK> RST38h, well, amixer?
Apr 07 19:26:10 <qgil> Stskeeps: thanks! the Maemo trainings in Copenhagen got good attendance
Apr 07 19:26:11 <Stskeeps> as mobile extensions is definately a developing area
Apr 07 19:27:28 <RST38h> Shadow: !
Apr 07 19:27:35 <RST38h> Shadow: thanks, I will try
Apr 07 19:33:42 <Macer> lol
Apr 07 19:33:45 <Macer> no
Apr 07 19:34:00 <Macer> Stskeeps:  it is in the hands of the usps now
Apr 07 19:34:00 <guysoft42> hey, if i want to implement something like this on maemo, what libraries do i need?: http://www.hammacher.com/publish/75968.asp
Apr 07 19:34:09 <Stskeeps> Macer: alright, let them have mercy on it :P
Apr 07 19:34:10 <ds3> 8
Apr 07 19:34:16 <Macer> will send you the track# when i get home
Apr 07 19:34:29 <guysoft42> its a gps application and i needs a little graphics for drawing
Apr 07 19:34:58 <Stskeeps> guysoft42: you need a n810 and possibly liblocation or libgpsbt .. i think
Apr 07 19:35:06 <Stskeeps> and maybe some stuff to declare distance for you
Apr 07 19:35:21 <guysoft42> Stskeeps, i have the nokia, thats the point :)
Apr 07 19:35:24 <Stskeeps> heading might be odd
Apr 07 19:35:48 <churl> I'm getting a file format not supported in mplayer with an .avi file.  (I dont know if I deleted something today or what) any ideas of where to start?
Apr 07 19:35:59 <guysoft42> Stskeeps, is there some sample python app i can find anywhere?
Apr 07 19:36:10 <Stskeeps> guysoft42: no sorry
Apr 07 19:36:18 <Stskeeps> as in
Apr 07 19:36:20 <Stskeeps> i don't know :)
Apr 07 19:37:03 <lbt> qgil: I notice the event wasn't on the LWN.net event list...
Apr 07 19:37:38 <Macer> sts. had to fill out a customs form
Apr 07 19:37:42 <Macer> what a pain
Apr 07 19:37:45 <Macer> lol
Apr 07 19:37:55 <Macer> reminds me of being in iraq
Apr 07 19:38:03 <Stskeeps> Macer: remembered the gift part? :P
Apr 07 19:38:08 <Macer> yes
Apr 07 19:38:10 <Macer> lol
Apr 07 19:38:12 <Stskeeps> good
Apr 07 19:38:16 <Macer> it is marked as a gift
Apr 07 19:38:22 <Stskeeps> then perhaps the danish customs won't rape me that much
Apr 07 19:38:32 <Macer> haha
Apr 07 19:38:46 <Macer> well.. it is 6 to 10 days to get to dk
Apr 07 19:38:57 <Macer> after that its up to your system
Apr 07 19:39:05 <Stskeeps> that's fine, i just hope to have a working n800 by the time the copenhagen meet is
Apr 07 19:39:34 <Stskeeps> debugging input methods is notoriously bad when your screen is scrolling
Apr 07 19:39:34 <Macer> well.. hope it gets there soon ;) enjoy. ok. gotta go
Apr 07 19:39:37 <Stskeeps> cya
Apr 07 19:39:41 <Macer> lol
Apr 07 19:44:10 <guysoft42> Stskeeps, well now you know :-): http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_gps_examples/index.html
Apr 07 19:44:33 <Stskeeps> ta
Apr 07 19:45:15 <lcuk> Stskeeps, just blik slowly (close for 3 open for 1)
Apr 07 19:45:57 <lcuk> blink even
Apr 07 19:46:11 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 07 19:47:15 <ShadowJK> churl: probably a damaged file..
Apr 07 19:48:05 <BlastuR> anyone got a step-by-step guide to upgrading your n810 to the latest firmware?
Apr 07 19:48:21 <Stskeeps> ~flashing
Apr 07 19:48:24 <infobot> methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 07 19:48:24 <lbt> ~flashing
Apr 07 19:48:31 <BlastuR> thanks
Apr 07 19:48:41 <qwerty12_N800> lbt: got told off? ;)
Apr 07 19:48:49 <churl> ShadowJK: just figured out that playing some avi files off my server works fine, while some avi files say that "format not supported" and others say "media codec not supported"
Apr 07 19:49:15 <churl> but they all work on non-maemo
Apr 07 19:49:27 <lbt> qwerty12_N800: yep
Apr 07 19:49:34 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Apr 07 19:49:49 <qwerty12_N800> :p
Apr 07 19:50:11 <lbt> hey, I wasn't even on this chan when he asked!
Apr 07 19:51:22 <ShadowJK> Mplayer on maemo can say "media codec not supported"? wow, regular mplayer has cryptic messages hard to figure out where the issue is :)
Apr 07 19:52:01 <qgil> lbt what needs to be done to submit it?
Apr 07 19:52:03 <churl> ShadowJK: does that make me lucky??
Apr 07 19:52:29 <lbt> have a look here: http://lwn.net/Calendar/Monthly/2009-05/
Apr 07 19:52:39 <lbt> http://lwn.net/Calendar/new/
Apr 07 19:53:18 <qwerty12_N800> churl: no, it makes it sound like you're using the default media player
Apr 07 19:53:32 <lbt> lwn is one of the more grown-up publications out there - in cas you weren't aware of it
Apr 07 19:53:45 <churl> ShadowJK: one second.......
Apr 07 19:53:59 <qgil> lbt thanks
Apr 07 19:54:02 <ShadowJK> what qwerty said :)
Apr 07 19:54:45 <churl> man, that's totally my bad
Apr 07 19:54:51 <lbt> ps - talking to OBS at the moment - Stskeeps are we planning to talk about that at copenhagen?
Apr 07 19:55:16 <Stskeeps> lbt: well, it's more development than presentation
Apr 07 19:55:28 <Stskeeps> but i hope we have some interesting developments to show
Apr 07 19:56:00 <churl> qwerty12_N800: ShadowJK thanks
Apr 07 20:02:34 <Macer> welp. need to start swapping users to the zimbra server :)
Apr 07 20:04:18 <qgil> Stskeeps lbt there is also time and place for presentations in copenhagen
Apr 07 20:04:34 <churl> mplayer doesnt seem to work, but this is my first time really using it, it's not seeming to load a file after selecting "open" then clicking on the file for it to play.
Apr 07 20:05:25 <lcuk> lbt, you coming to copenhagen? :D
Apr 07 20:05:55 <lbt> I'd like to
Apr 07 20:05:57 <Stskeeps> lbt: there are space for presentations and i hope we can make one :)
Apr 07 20:06:01 <lbt> I have the free time!
Apr 07 20:06:18 <lcuk> good!
Apr 07 20:06:27 <churl> or does it just not like files loaded from a server, (over "shared folders")?
Apr 07 20:07:05 <lcuk> churl, copy it locally and try again
Apr 07 20:07:15 <lcuk> it might just be a bandwidth burp
Apr 07 20:07:32 <lbt> Stskeeps: yep - I'd like to see how it all fits together.
Apr 07 20:07:39 <lbt> Mer as a result
Apr 07 20:07:43 <churl> i wish
Apr 07 20:07:52 <lbt> OBS as workflow/build support
Apr 07 20:08:01 <lbt> maemo/hildon as device
Apr 07 20:08:13 <lcuk> lbt :) im using git properly now
Apr 07 20:08:24 <lbt> and /touch support
Apr 07 20:08:26 <lbt> ubunutu as base
Apr 07 20:08:40 * lbt smiles wisely at lcuk
Apr 07 20:09:00 <lbt> I still want to see libgit
Apr 07 20:09:12 <lbt> as a distributed OO DB
Apr 07 20:09:37 <lcuk> :)
Apr 07 20:09:58 <lbt> anyone know about ....   hildon_g_scanner_cache_open
Apr 07 20:10:28 <Stskeeps> lbt: yes
Apr 07 20:10:31 <Stskeeps> make sure glib is built
Apr 07 20:10:40 <Stskeeps> and hildon is built against it
Apr 07 20:10:49 <Stskeeps> there's a reason why i load things in order, and not in one big portion :P
Apr 07 20:11:23 <lbt> well in that case gtk should depend on glib-mer :P
Apr 07 20:11:43 <lbt> which maybe should provide glib
Apr 07 20:12:03 <lbt> as it happens
Apr 07 20:12:03 <The_User> Hi!
Apr 07 20:12:08 <bongo|kup> anyone know about ..... transparency package?
Apr 07 20:12:10 <lbt> pkg-config too old; version 0.16 or better required.
Apr 07 20:12:22 <Stskeeps> lbt: maybe
Apr 07 20:12:34 <Stskeeps> lbt: .. yeah, it's an interesting loop
Apr 07 20:12:41 <ShadowJK> Khertan, oh ignore me, I see now you updated it after i installed it
Apr 07 20:14:56 <Macer> Stskeeps: http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInternetWeb/InterLabelInquiry.do
Apr 07 20:15:01 <Stskeeps> ah, ta
Apr 07 20:15:26 <Stskeeps> nothing yet, but it'll come :)
Apr 07 20:15:59 <The_User> Are there any plans for a maemo-based mobile phone?
Apr 07 20:16:11 <churl> where do i look to change the app that is used as the default when opening a file?
Apr 07 20:16:20 <lbt> The_User: yes
Apr 07 20:16:29 <qwerty12_N800> bongo|kup: yeah, it's mine and only in extras-devel for a reason ;)
Apr 07 20:16:32 <The_User> :)
Apr 07 20:16:38 <The_User> lbt: Any link?
Apr 07 20:16:42 <Stskeeps> The_User: there'll be a Mer/hildon based one soon, http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/mer-freerunner.jpg :>
Apr 07 20:16:50 <lbt> sorry, confidential
Apr 07 20:16:56 <qwerty12_N800> churl: google dbus-switchboard
Apr 07 20:17:00 <The_User> Mer :D Free Software :)
Apr 07 20:17:02 <churl> qwerty12_N800: thank
Apr 07 20:17:04 <churl> s
Apr 07 20:17:08 <lcuk> lbt :O
Apr 07 20:17:10 <bongo|kup> querty: problems? or can i try it?
Apr 07 20:17:32 * lbt feels guilty now
Apr 07 20:18:20 <qwerty12_N800> bongo|kup: oh, it works (quite well actually), i just wouldn't classify it as speedy...
Apr 07 20:19:46 <bongo|kup> qwerty12_N800: i see .... the 5 seconds thing
Apr 07 20:19:54 <bongo|kup> :)
Apr 07 20:20:23 <qwerty12_N800> lol, that's just to get xcompmgr started :)
Apr 07 20:21:05 <qwerty12_N800> Need to improve that script muchly though... 'twas a quick job :/
Apr 07 20:22:33 <bongo|kup> i couldn't install from app  manager ....
Apr 07 20:22:40 <churl> lcuk: it will load some files over the network just fine, others not at all, no responce
Apr 07 20:23:19 <qwerty12_N800> bongo|kup: odd, i sent a version to -devel that did install correctly...
Apr 07 20:23:19 <bongo|kup> but it's a nice hack :) thx
Apr 07 20:23:25 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Apr 07 20:26:20 <bongo|kup> maybe a problem with the upper case t
Apr 07 20:26:50 <bongo|kup> Transparency != transparency
Apr 07 20:27:09 <qwerty12_N800> that's just the Maemo-Display-Name, package itself is called transparency
Apr 07 20:27:43 * lcuk curses case sensitivity
Apr 07 20:44:18 <churl> lcuk: i can't get a file to load in mplayer's file address bar if it's coming from my server.
Apr 07 20:46:54 <churl> maybe there's a better video player?
Apr 07 20:48:35 <lcuk> churl, dunno then about connectivity, i think mplayer is more or less god as far as media players go
Apr 07 20:49:35 <churl> yeah, media player does good enough for me, and it works with the network
Apr 07 20:49:55 <churl> i dont need to watch ALL of my videos
Apr 07 20:52:13 <lcuk> churl, there you go then :P
Apr 07 20:52:36 * churl gives up
Apr 07 20:57:36 <Macer> Stskeeps: it's the usps :) be happy if you get the tracking information before it gets there
Apr 07 20:57:50 <Macer> i should hve used fedex but that's a little far from here
Apr 07 20:58:23 <Stskeeps> yeah - usps is fine
Apr 07 20:58:27 <Stskeeps> was shipping bad?
Apr 07 20:58:36 <Macer> it's ok :) i guess it will get there
Apr 07 20:58:44 <Macer> honestly i've only had 1 problem with the usps once in my life
Apr 07 21:01:59 <qwerty12_N800> X-Fade: happen to be around?
Apr 07 21:02:14 <ShadowJK> I suspect if wizardmounter can mount it, it should work in mplayer
Apr 07 21:02:59 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: did you kill builder again? :P
Apr 07 21:03:56 <qwerty12_N800> Nah, it's building for i386 when it shouldn't be. I know it's gonna fail so I was hoping he was around so I could tell him to kill the build.
Apr 07 21:04:24 <qwerty12_N800> He can't use his tar & feathers on me this time ;)
Apr 07 21:06:51 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: hmm, does packages normally accept CC= or how is it?
Apr 07 21:07:21 <VDVsx> lcuk, ping
Apr 07 21:07:48 <lcuk> pong
Apr 07 21:08:32 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps: can't see why not
Apr 07 21:08:45 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i have a crazy idea, so
Apr 07 21:08:49 <Stskeeps> (..famous last words)
Apr 07 21:09:59 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, they should give you a login, you use the lions share of the cpu quota anyway
Apr 07 21:10:45 <qwerty12_N800> hardly :), this is the only massive thing i've uploaded and i'm already fucking it up
Apr 07 21:10:58 <lcuk> heh yeah yeah
Apr 07 21:12:34 <VDVsx> lcuk, I will pm you :)
Apr 07 21:20:05 <qwerty12_N800> mikkov_: I'm guessing that if I wish to build for armel only, I add Architecture: armel to the top of the control where the source package definition is?
Apr 07 21:47:48 <lbt> night all
Apr 07 21:57:33 <mikkov_> qwerty12_N800: that's right. Usually there is Architecture: any
Apr 07 21:59:36 <qwerty12_N800> mikkov_: thanks. this one didn't have t there and I thought changing it for the binary packages would suffice but it never occured to me to look at the changes. Doh! Thanks again :)
Apr 07 22:00:10 <qwerty12_N800> And the .changes do say any :(
Apr 07 22:04:12 <Macer_> there is a law and order UK?
Apr 07 22:04:13 <Macer_> :)
Apr 07 22:04:23 <Macer_> does it teach the complexities of parliment or something?
Apr 07 22:27:17 <RST38bis> could someone tell me the latest usable fbreader version?
Apr 07 22:27:42 <mgedmin> what's wrong with the laltest one?
Apr 07 22:28:17 <RST38bis> 0.10.7-1 i have behaves erratically
Apr 07 22:28:19 <GeneralAntilles> RST38bis, the latest one, or the one before it, or the one before that.
Apr 07 22:28:36 <RST38bis> one you are using.
Apr 07 22:29:18 <RST38bis> mine no longer scrolls right and goes haywire when i click on title bar
Apr 07 22:29:42 * mgedmin uses... let me see... 0.10.5-1
Apr 07 22:29:50 <RST38bis> ok...
Apr 07 22:49:12 <cheng_99> hi, can anyone tell me how to use hildon_banner_show_animation, i made it showing on the windows, but i have i can tie it to my progress, say after 30 seconds, destroy the animation banner
Apr 07 23:56:04 <Macer> the saga continues
Apr 07 23:56:07 <Macer> wu tang
Apr 07 23:58:55 <nikosapi> Did anybody who submitted proposals for the GSOC get any comments on their proposals yet?
Apr 08 00:01:09 <VDVsx> nikosapi,
Apr 08 00:01:13 <VDVsx> almost all the proposals have comments right now
Apr 08 00:01:30 <VDVsx> nikosapi, are you a GSoC student ?
Apr 08 00:01:57 <nikosapi> VDVsx: yes
Apr 08 00:02:10 <nikosapi> I haven't recieved a comment yet
Apr 08 00:03:26 <nikosapi> VDVsx: are you a mentor?
Apr 08 00:04:11 <VDVsx> nikosapi, humm, I think we already reviewed all proposal, except the barcode proposal, so you probably submit a proposal for barcode ?
Apr 08 00:04:13 <VDVsx> yes
Apr 08 00:04:41 <nikosapi> nope, mine is the gPodder and Panucci integration one
Apr 08 00:05:16 <VDVsx> nikosapi, let me check :p
Apr 08 00:05:23 <nikosapi> thank you
Apr 08 00:07:20 <VDVsx> nikosapi, ok, is under review, no concerns/questions raise by now, so no comments, everything seems to be ok, don't worry
Apr 08 00:07:45 <nikosapi> alright, thanks again VDVsx
Apr 08 00:08:22 <VDVsx> nikosapi, but please subscribe to the updates (if you don't do that already)
Apr 08 00:08:56 <VDVsx> do -> did
Apr 08 00:08:56 <nikosapi> I have, but I've been checking the page every day thinking that the updates weren't working :P
Apr 08 00:09:19 <VDVsx> sometimes they work, lol
Apr 08 00:10:34 <VDVsx> nikosapi, did you aplied for other org's too ?
Apr 08 00:10:50 <nikosapi> no, I may have but I didn't have any time
Apr 08 00:11:41 <nikosapi> I found out that I lost my summer job two nights before the deadline so I wrote a proposal and now I'm hoping for the best
Apr 08 00:12:07 <VDVsx> IT job or other ?
Apr 08 00:13:17 <nikosapi> not really IT, it's just some boring job that looks good on a CV and pays well
Apr 08 00:13:59 <nikosapi> but because of the current economic climate they had to lay off a bunch of people and cancel their summer student program
Apr 08 00:14:04 <VDVsx> well, GSoC looks good on a CV :)
Apr 08 00:14:11 <nikosapi> indeed it does
Apr 08 00:15:06 <nikosapi> It's just that I agreed to take the job a long time ago, I didn't think about the GSOC
Apr 08 02:03:53 <Macer> well.. that kinda sucks
Apr 08 02:03:58 <Macer> damn artigo can't use opensolaris
Apr 08 02:03:59 <Macer> what a let down
Apr 08 02:04:04 <Macer> maybe i will use fbsd 7.1 on it
Apr 08 02:09:59 * b-man` has decided to use angstrom as a base for Plawzix - the original LFS base would not function properly and was too large for what it provided :P
Apr 08 02:10:27 <b-man`> lots of debugging junk :P
Apr 08 02:10:30 <Macer> i honestly don't know what any of those things are
Apr 08 02:10:35 <Macer> what is plawzix?
Apr 08 02:10:50 <b-man`> a distribution that i'm creating
Apr 08 02:11:01 <Macer> for?
Apr 08 02:11:11 <b-man`> embedded devices
Apr 08 02:11:16 <Macer> oh.. i see
Apr 08 02:11:32 <Macer> someone needs to start making opensolaris embedded distributions :)
Apr 08 02:11:50 <b-man`> :)
Apr 08 02:12:10 <Macer> i love opensolaris a lot. it really is pretty badass
Apr 08 02:12:44 <Macer> if anything just for zfs
Apr 08 02:12:55 <Macer> when is linux going to get some real type of zfs support? the world should run off zfs
Apr 08 02:13:36 <Macer> damnit. i started to install gnome and now i am regretting that i did
Apr 08 02:13:41 <Macer> lxde is better for this box
Apr 08 02:14:03 <Macer> i'm going to use it as a small server and i don't know what i was thinking but now i'm too far into it to go back
Apr 08 02:14:13 <Macer> was thinking about using the artigo as a desktop before i thought it rhough
Apr 08 02:14:16 <Macer> through too
Apr 08 02:14:47 <Macer> something i do need to learn how to do is set up an auth server using something
Apr 08 02:14:49 <Macer> maybe ldap
Apr 08 02:15:03 <Macer> right now i wouldn't care if i was able to getit going with nis :)
Apr 08 02:15:19 <b-man`> if your using it as a server wouldn't you think it's not nessasary for a desktop env?
Apr 08 02:15:47 <Macer> in hindsight.. yet :)
Apr 08 02:15:48 <Macer> yes
Apr 08 02:15:58 <b-man`> XD
Apr 08 02:16:16 <Macer> but i wanted to see it as a desktop first
Apr 08 02:16:28 <Macer> i am trying to move my company to zimbra using small systems as clients.. like an artigo
Apr 08 02:16:40 <b-man`> hmm
Apr 08 02:16:49 <Macer> and i am working on setting everything up to present it
Apr 08 02:17:07 <Macer> lxde would have been a better choice though.. hopefully debian won't just start using gnome
Apr 08 02:17:20 <Macer> so far i have finished the main server and am working on clients
Apr 08 02:17:35 <b-man`> it probably will :(
Apr 08 02:17:37 <Macer> it is hard to wean companies off the microsoft machine
Apr 08 02:17:48 <Macer> it's ok. i have time to re-install
Apr 08 02:18:15 <Macer> lxde is very lightweight for something that is a "bulky" enviroment
Apr 08 02:18:36 <b-man`> heh
Apr 08 02:18:39 * b-man` needs to start building a repository for Plawzix
Apr 08 02:18:51 <Macer> what type of embedded systems are you looking at?
Apr 08 02:19:37 <b-man`> Nokia n8x0, Zerus, ect
Apr 08 02:19:52 <Macer> what is your distro based on?
Apr 08 02:20:00 <b-man`> angstrom
Apr 08 02:20:29 <b-man`> (was originally Linux From Scratch)
Apr 08 02:20:33 <b-man`> LFS
Apr 08 02:20:33 <Macer> ouch
Apr 08 02:20:46 <b-man`> yeah
Apr 08 02:20:46 <Macer> so you are basically  making a whole new distor with pkg management?
Apr 08 02:21:00 <b-man`> yup :)
Apr 08 02:21:09 <Macer> heh
Apr 08 02:21:23 <Macer> what was wrong with mer?
Apr 08 02:21:24 <Macer> :)
Apr 08 02:22:06 <Macer> you should have based it off of an opensolaris kernel.. at the very least to be "different"
Apr 08 02:22:14 <b-man`> nothing, i just wanted a to create a non-apt distribution for the NIT's really
Apr 08 02:22:18 <Macer> there are already 9234809237823749279 embedded linux things out there
Apr 08 02:22:37 <b-man`> not shure
Apr 08 02:22:49 <Macer> i'm honestly sick of seeing linux stuff haha
Apr 08 02:23:00 <b-man`> XD
Apr 08 02:23:12 <Macer> it's like pokemon.. it was cool when nobody knew what it was .. but now it has become this behemmoth that is just... almost irritating
Apr 08 02:23:34 <b-man`> hahahahahahahahaha
Apr 08 02:23:42 <Macer> i mean i am trying to think of how many devices don't use a linux based embedded system
Apr 08 02:24:41 * b-man` wonders if linux would sometime even take over microsoft XD
Apr 08 02:25:36 <Macer> i doubt it
Apr 08 02:25:46 <Macer> i was very nervous about ms buying yahoo tho
Apr 08 02:25:52 <Macer> because they would squash zimbra
Apr 08 02:25:54 <GeneralAntilles> The issue is not that too many people are using it
Apr 08 02:25:55 <Macer> that would be horrible
Apr 08 02:26:05 <GeneralAntilles> the issue is that there are too many Linux distributions that nobody uses at all.
Apr 08 02:26:11 <Macer> GeneralAntilles: true
Apr 08 02:26:14 <Macer> it is overdone
Apr 08 02:26:25 <Macer> that is from nazi distribution tactics
Apr 08 02:26:26 <GeneralAntilles> and, especially in the embedded space, there's just too much fragmentation.
Apr 08 02:26:41 <Macer> people get sick of the distro's rules and say "screw you i will make my own"
Apr 08 02:26:45 <Macer> then they turn into the hitlers
Apr 08 02:26:47 <GeneralAntilles> We need a strong embedded distro
Apr 08 02:26:50 <Macer> and someone else does the same
Apr 08 02:26:57 <GeneralAntilles> that isn't Atom pandering silliness or Java insanity.
Apr 08 02:27:20 <b-man`> GeneralAntilles: Mer? :)
Apr 08 02:27:28 <Macer> don't forget the C7
Apr 08 02:27:42 <Macer> ;) which is the same thing as an atom.. my artigo is considered an "embedded system"
Apr 08 02:27:57 <Macer> personally it hink it works more as a desktop. but i suppose that is just me
Apr 08 02:28:17 <Macer> GeneralAntilles: i think you are right
Apr 08 02:28:41 <Macer> there are too many out there.. but like i said that usually spawns from someone starting a distro and then making a developer disgruntled.. which winds up being a fork
Apr 08 02:29:39 <Macer> didnt't they use angstrom on a n770
Apr 08 02:29:40 <Macer> ?
Apr 08 02:30:00 <GeneralAntilles> s/n770/770/g
Apr 08 02:30:19 <Macer> someone needs to make a new os with new tools :)
Apr 08 02:30:20 <GeneralAntilles> E17 just isn't all the pleasant to use.
Apr 08 02:30:32 <Macer> i mean.. looking at it... it seems that the world uses 20 yr old tech
Apr 08 02:30:36 <Macer> as far as software goes
Apr 08 02:30:44 <Macer> i mean the whole "well.. it works" argument only goes so far
Apr 08 02:31:17 * b-man` gets a "bash: /usr/bin/sudo: cannot execute binary file" in his terminal O.o
Apr 08 02:31:25 <Macer> there hasn't been a new thing in a long time
Apr 08 02:31:34 <Macer> just enhancements of the same old things
Apr 08 02:31:38 <b-man`> yup :P
Apr 08 02:31:58 <Macer> i mean it would be good if i could see just a completely new os that isn't based on anything come out
Apr 08 02:32:05 <GeneralAntilles> That's a rather excessive generalization
Apr 08 02:32:15 <Macer> GeneralAntilles: is it? :)
Apr 08 02:32:22 <GeneralAntilles> It is.
Apr 08 02:32:25 <GeneralAntilles> Besides, why?
Apr 08 02:32:26 <Macer> name one service that is out there that has been made in the last year
Apr 08 02:32:41 <GeneralAntilles> Is there really such a huge advantage to just starting from scratch on everything that it'd be worth all that extra effort?
Apr 08 02:32:45 <Macer> (such as httpd... dns... ftp.... etc)
Apr 08 02:32:55 <Macer> maybe considering that everything is all the same
Apr 08 02:33:07 <Macer> that is like saying "we can make red shirts.. and they work.. so why make any other color
Apr 08 02:33:27 <GeneralAntilles> Network services hardly make an OS
Apr 08 02:33:34 <Macer> ok
Apr 08 02:33:47 <Macer> name something that has been made new as far as an "operating system" in the last year
Apr 08 02:33:50 <GeneralAntilles> Your argument seems to be that there's been zero inovation in the past 10 years
Apr 08 02:33:53 <GeneralAntilles> Which is clearly false.
Apr 08 02:34:01 <Macer> not really
Apr 08 02:34:10 <Macer> enhancement on old innovation is new innovation
Apr 08 02:34:20 <Macer> obviously there have been advancements in order to keep up with hardware
Apr 08 02:34:33 <Macer> but i would still only consider it enhancement of old tech
Apr 08 02:34:35 <GeneralAntilles> Wee, another silly #maemo discussion.
Apr 08 02:34:47 <Macer> isnt that what irc is for ? :)
Apr 08 02:34:54 <b-man`> lol
Apr 08 02:34:55 * GeneralAntilles switches to watching the Office for his doesn't of silliness.
Apr 08 02:35:00 <GeneralAntilles> s/doesn't/dose/
Apr 08 02:35:03 <GeneralAntilles> Hardly
Apr 08 02:36:03 * Macer wonders how old ircd is 
Apr 08 02:36:55 <Macer> if someone made a flying car that can warp space in order to defeat gravity as an innovation
Apr 08 02:37:12 <Macer> that would be something new :) we are all stuck with the same old
Apr 08 02:37:21 <Macer> or better of the same old
Apr 08 02:37:23 <Macer> nothing more
Apr 08 02:38:32 <b-man`> hehe
Apr 08 02:38:37 <Macer> realistically speaking.. other than the atom bomb and PCs .. there hasn't been anything really innovative in decades :)
Apr 08 02:38:56 <Macer> einstein was the last innovative person
Apr 08 02:39:11 <Macer> even in science .. people have just been enhancing his work :)
Apr 08 02:39:20 <Macer> actually. all they have been doing is proving it
Apr 08 02:39:45 <Macer> we need another einstein
Apr 08 02:43:28 <b-man`> step one: start using 0?1!6Ω34 instead of 100110 machine languages in computers for better prosessing XD
Apr 08 02:43:30 <b-man`> lol, jk XD
Apr 08 02:47:25 * b-man` figures out the sudo issue: the file was somehow marked read-only during installation in Plawzix :P
Apr 08 02:53:38 <Macer> ok... what is this xd crap people are doing?
Apr 08 02:53:46 <Macer> i think i am out of the loop
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